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How to edit sidebar links?

How do we edit sidebar links on the left? I'm trying to figure out how to add additional links under Content and Community Content. Can these sections be linked to categories? --Sayaka 17:17, 18 January 2011 (CST)

A sysop has to edit MediaWiki:Sidebar and yes, it can link even to categories. -–89.24.197.43 11:28, 18 January 2011 (CST)
Sysop here, how do you want it to be? --Homerun-chan 18:43, 18 January 2011 (CST)

Design and visuals

Design of the main page: any wishes? Or should it stay the way it is? --Madokaanon 17:26, 18 January 2011 (CST)

As stated on /a/, I think we should remove at least one of the thumbnails and put a big banner instead. I'm okay with staying with the original skin as long as the homepage doesn't look too boring (but not too messy either) --Homerun-chan 17:45, 18 January 2011 (CST)
How about something like this as a banner? Yeah I didn't put much effort in it and the size is also wrong since this is just and example, if we take something like that, we should remove the characters thumbnail as we have the characters in our banner. --Madokaanon 17:57, 18 January 2011 (CST)
That madoka_logo needs to go, or at least not be positioned where it is. It just looks like clutter next to the character shot. –881.178.128.41 18:40, 18 January 2011 (CST)
Yeah I like it. It's colorful and stuff so I think it might look good. May lack some text though --Homerun-chan 18:43, 18 January 2011
Needs more runes. --Nvm 19:25, 18 January 2011 (CST)
Its 6:03am, I'll do a layout for how I think the wiki should look tomorrow, not sure about the suggested image for a banner, its too rainbow. --Sayaka 13:04, 18 January 2011 (CST)
Simple skin idea for Puella Magi Wiki; I've created a design mockup of how I think the site could look with a simple gradient header. The rest of the wiki colours could stay the same, I quite like the simplicity. --Sayaka 14:23, 19 January 2011 (CST)
Looks great, I think we should use it. --Madokaanon 14:25, 19 January 2011 (CST)
Fund it. Mic2070 14:26, 19 January 2011 (CST)
Looks nice so far. Though you might want to do something with the tabs. —0x99 14:28, 19 January 2011 (CST)
Nice and colorful, but there's something wrong with the tabs on the left (too white, so they don't fit well). If possible, how about making them semi-transparent or using a color that fits better with the banner? Idk how much we can customize mediawiki though --Homerun-chan 14:41, 19 January 2011 (CST)
It should be possible to be transparent PNG gradients in for the tabs so they fade into the background, I'll make a gradient now to test. Have written instructions for modifying the layout/CSS to use the background image. --Sayaka 14:51, 19 January 2011 (CST)
Good work on the change, I think it adds a bit of colour! Hope you like it everyone. Have made a transparent gradient for the tabs, and instructions for skinning them. --Sayaka 15:23, 19 January 2011 (CST)
That one adds a bit too much transparent ghosting. so I modified it a bit.
It should looks OK now. I think. Thanks for your hard work!
Also, F5 if you don't see the new theme/tabs. --0x99 15:29, 19 January 2011 (CST)
I like the way they fade out on the right-hand side but it looks kind of strange on the left. --E 16:15, 19 January 2011 (CST)
I agree, the faded tabs look ok on the right, but they look washed out on the left - I think they should be more opaque with a defined top edge. --Sayaka 16:57, 19 January 2011 (CST)
I like it! The tabs seem a bit too tall to me, though I do like the gradients. Nice work! --E 15:25, 19 January 2011 (CST)
The madoka small banner[1] would look good in the bottom right corner. See [2] if it interests you, sysop --Mic2070 19:02, 18 January 2011 (CST)
I agree, though is there a reason to link to the official site on every page? A link is on the main page. --E 21:27, 19 January 2011 (CST)

I thought about a simpler design and as posted on /a/ here's some upgrade of the mainpage [3], should we use it or shouldn't we? --Madokaanon 14:28, 19 January 2011 (CST)

I like this one. Use it! —0x99 14:31, 19 January 2011 (CST)
Well, I saved it, if too many people have objections they could just change it back. --Madokaanon

Coloring of the boxes, 0x99 and I both colored one box in another color because there were two pink boxes, so witch should be changed back to pink? --Madokaanon 22:09, 19 January 2011 (CST)

I think the current one works OK already. No need to change it back for the time being. --0x99 16:12, 19 January 2011 (CST)
The yellow + blue combo on the community links first row looks kinda strange IMO. Maybe swap it with the other table? (so, having yellow for the Content links and blue for the Community links). Aside from that, I think it's okay --Homerun-chan 16:34, 19 January 2011 (CST)
Tried swapped it around, not as good as I expected. --0x99 17:28, 19 January 2011 (CST)
Yellow looks good to me. I agree that both should be the same color, just for aesthetic quality. I previewed it with both yellow boxes and it looks pretty good in my opinion. Nothing huge, though. --e 17:35, 19 January 2011 (CST)

i really dislike the background picture. plain one was more then enough . --Saveol2009 16:23, 19 January 2011 (CST) you could at least make the old design an option so i can change into it in my browser --Saveol2009 16:37, 19 January 2011 (CST)

I'm trying to turn it into a proper skin, currently it's just a bunch of CSS overrides inside MediaWiki:Common.css. It may take a while since I never wrote MediaWiki skin before. I'll update it here when it's done. --0x99 16:41, 19 January 2011 (CST)
ok everything is fine then --Saveol2009 16:44, 19 January 2011 (CST)
could you put up the old design until you will have the skin --Saveol2009 16:49, 19 January 2011 (CST)
No, since you are the only one who complains about the skin and there are more people enjoying it, so you are the one who should wait, not the majority who likes it. --Madokaanon 16:54, 19 January 2011 (CST)
if the majority is madokaanon; 0x99; homerun-chan vs myself i guess then i should comply --Saveol2009 16:59, 19 January 2011 (CST)
As 0x99 said, you can change the skin in your preferences to make it display differently for just you. --e 17:10, 19 January 2011 (CST)
That's not possible currently, since most people already agrees with the change. I'll be quick to put up the new skin in place. Promised! For the time being, you may want to change the skin to something else (e.g. MonoBook) in the Special:Preferences page in Appearances tab. --0x99 17:04, 19 January 2011 (CST)
Done. If you want to use the old Wikipedia-like skin, choose Vector in the Special:Preferences page in Appearances tab. --0x99 01:29, 20 January 2011 (CST)
very much appreciated --Saveol2009 07:43, 20 January 2011 (CST)
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This picture is much better and more fit for the default main page skin. if you web designers are gonna make one i will us it instead. --Saveol2009 07:54, 21 January 2011 (CST)

Could ever agree with something other do? I don't want another character shot out on the front page because we already have them in the banner. --Madokaanon
>Could ever agree with something other do? has anyone ever been as far as to decide to go to ? no offense. i dont like the banner thats why i use the vector skin --Saveol2009 08:35, 21 January 2011 (CST)

Refactoring the facts-speculations-finds pages

Some anons suggested that the theories page looks like a unattracting blob of text. Some other mentionned that it would be nice to be able to speculah'te over the trivia and observations. Yet another (or a samefag, that's not the point) started the Finds section because his content didn't fit anywhere else. So I think it's time to remodel all this a bit. How about this:

  • We rename the Trivia section to "Facts and Observations" or something of the like. On that page, we make a section per episode, then one subsection per observation. This subsection has the fact itself (matching with a pic if relevant), and a subsubsection where we write observations and speculations as one-liners, just like the Character pages. We should also make a visual difference between pure speculation and pure observations
  • The texts in Shaftspeak are posted on the Runes page (or a subpage). For each interresting bit of text, we post a screencap, a translation, and observations/speculations. Same as before, one-liners are enough.
  • The Theories page hence only has the general theories, the ones that combines pieces of speculations together. I think theories about Kamijou, for example, could be moved somewhere else (in the Characters page for instance)
  • We can delete the Finds page since it's redundant with the rest.

How does that sound to you? --Homerun-chan 22:10, 18 January 2011 (CST)

So by your suggestion, we gonna have
  1. Facts and Observations as a merge between current Trivia and Finds
  2. Speculah:Runes for runes deciphering for each episode
  3. Speculah:Theories for general theories (move all Faust, etc. stuff into F&O)
I have no problem up to this point, but I don't think character speculation should belongs in characters page. They should stay in one place, possibly sub section inside the Facts and Observation. --0x99 16:39, 18 January 2011 (CST)
Well, now that I look at the speculah page carefully (my ISP is fucking up my connection at the moment so I had a hard time surfing on the wiki while writing this), there isn't much character-specific theories, aside from Kamijou (who didn't even get his own page to begin with). There are a few speculations on Homura's page however; that's more like what I was talking about (you know, small doubts/suspicions could go to the character's page, while longer theories would get their own page) --Homerun-chan 17:06, 18 January 2011 (CST)
no problem as long as the content/the time i have invested is not destroyed P.S do you write the signature manually ? --Saveol2009 22:56, 18 January 2011
Just write four tilde after your comment and you'll be fine. --0x99 17:00, 18 January 2011 (CST)
thanks --Saveol2009 17:04, 18 January 2011 (CST)
Thanks for the reminder by the way, I always forget about that --Homerun-chan 17:06, 18 January 2011 (CST)

Suggestion: all theories/speculah, but not facts/observations, should be tagged with the current episode number. Then when wikifags read them they will know how out of date they might be, and whether they might need updating with new information (at which point the ep# is updated) or deleted because subsequent episodes have disproven/obsolete. Bonus question: SHOULD we delete them? or move them to a "Defunct speculah" section? Yil 12:23, 19 January 2011 (CST)

dont you think speculah and the translations of the captured pieces from the anime could be done below each find as there is plenty of free space and so to not waste it http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Speculah:Finds --Saveol2009 12:32, 19 January 2011 (CST)

P.S i moved the contents of Speculah:Who is Kamijou to Kamijou should i just delete the former page ? --Saveol2009 13:00, 19 January 2011 (CST)

Speculah:Who is Kamijou page deleted. -0x99 14:30, 19 January 2011 (CST)

general

the banner that countdowns the time till the the new ep airs should link to this stream. i think it has proven it self to be reliable. --Saveol2009 13:45, 20 January 2011 (CST)

Good idea. How did people find that link anyway? The index page of the site leads nowhere. Also, I believe mms://stream.gundam.eu/mbs is more reliable. (it's constantly up and has been available for a long time-- early last year, at least) --e 17:41, 20 January 2011 (CST)
when madoka started airing at mbs suddenly sound was out of sync with picture. also hinamizawa has a much bigger screen size. i found it in live watching thread. --Saveol2009 19:21, 20 January 2011 (CST)

Are there people here who hang on IRC? Is there a need for an IRC channel? #puella-magi on rizon appears to be free as of now. --Piparkaq 16:25, 20 January 2011 (CST)

  • Scratch that, snagged it before somebody else does. Need more retards and speculah on IRC --Piparkaq 16:29, 20 January 2011 (CST)
good idea Piparkaq . we may commute much faster now. --Saveol2009 19:21, 20 January 2011 (CST)

Refactoring again

Now that Episode 3 article is being created, I believe we should refactoring Wiki structure again, hopefully the last time, in this way to reduce some redundancy in editing and make some room for future expansion:

(Note: Articles not listed here are left untouched.)

Episodes, Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3, ...
Replacing Translated runes
Replacing episode section of Facts and Observations
Possibly replacing episode section of Speculah:Images
Any relevant details regarding the episode, including Urobuchi's trivia tweet, etc.
External links to interesting articles discussion the episode.
Library (someone should come up with a better name)
Replacing Translated Official Documents
Replacing general section of Facts and Observations
If this one gets too production-centric, we might as well name it Production
Articles
Replacing Speculah:Theories
External articles regarding overall plot, analyzing designs, series review, etc.
Media
Replacing Speculah:Images
Replacing Speculah:Image Packs
Replacing Speculah:Tube Dubber
Replacing Teasers
Threads
Replacing Speculah:Threads

The point of this is to make the Wiki a bit more organized, with all relevant informations in one place. Editing should also be easier since the "what page should I this content belongs" problem should be no more. How does that sound? --0x99 01:07, 21 January 2011 (CST)

"what page should I this content belongs" .never had this problem before. with all relevant informations in one place. impossible - what is not relevant to you might be relevant to others. for example new comers might have to struggle to comprehend the dry facts presented at some of the pages. i for one want to help them by making the content more interesting. --User:Saveol2009 09:45, 21 January 2011 (CST)
Not relevant to me, but relevant to that episode. What I meant was it is better if we have an article structured like this:
Episode 1
  • Summary
  • Runes
  • Findings
  • Trivia
  • External links
Than three articles discussing about one episode. Maybe the general finding page will remain, if someone want overall view of references, however I think adding category, e.g. "Category:Faust reference" might works better in this case. --0x99 04:00, 21 January 2011 (CST)
you may do that. infact i wouldnt want to limit your freedom of choice so you can edit as much as you like if it doesnt concern my work. --Saveol2009 04:11, 21 January 2011 (CST)
cont. what i advice is for the first layer - " the surface " - could be like the traditional wiki with dry facts and content everybody agrees on but i d like that at least my pages/work should be spared by branching of the surface. like that Gertrude lair page might be referenced for example at characters/ gertrude so if you decide to remove the links from the main page its not orphaned and unknown. --Saveol2009 04:07, 21 January 2011 (CST)
No I'm not replacing those stuff. This is mostly focused on episode contents, e.g. rune deciphering, findings. They're not being removed, just reorganized so they're a bit easier to find. --0x99 04:20, 21 January 2011 (CST)
if you will not then some one else will but then again it might be for the better. thats why i advice it to strip it all already - take what you want from that page instead of moving it. --Saveol2009 04:33, 21 January 2011 (CST)
I think the outline makes a lot of sense, especially for the Episodes. Splitting up the translated runes episode by episode makes a lot more sense. Facts and Observations probably should just be merged into these episode pages too. I'm not sure that we need to split off Translated Official Documents into its own section, it seems fine in its current section with the other translated official info from the official website which is in the Glossary, Location, and Characters pages. Oatmeal 04:07, 21 January 2011 (CST)
Facts and Observations probably should just be merged into these episode pages too. again this is someones work. not mine tho so idk i imagine it might be painful for the creator of the page to have his work striped off and basically annihilated. so if you want to get rid of that page from the surface you may do that. take the fact you want from this page and reference it to there. --Saveol2009 04:18, 21 January 2011 (CST)
No contents are being "striped off" or "annihilated", they're just being moved. --0x99 04:23, 21 January 2011 (CST)
merger is pretty much stripping off because otherwise it will grow too big --Saveol2009 04:26, 21 January 2011 (CST)
If we don't move them into episode page today, Translated runes and Facts and Observations will grow too large to require a split anyway. Again, no contents are removed, they're just being moved into other article. Also, characters, locations, glossary, etc. are left untouched. --0x99 04:36, 21 January 2011 (CST)
no they wont grow if you remove the links from sidebar. the new edits will happen on the episode section --Saveol2009 04:55, 21 January 2011 (CST)
I don't really wanna bust in your little argument, but saveol2009, I don't think you get the wiki thing. I mean, if you post on a wiki, you know your work is gonna be edited to death by others. Just like when you post image macros on /a/, you know they're bound to be used by others afterwards. --Homerun-chan 12:20, 21 January 2011 (CST)
If we look at Translated Official Documents, I think the one about Mami's special move belongs to Episode 2, and about Kyubey "cuteness" belongs to Episode 3. Stuff that are left on that page are mostly production-related documents. If we also merge Facts and Observations into episodes, then the only thing left in that page would that section about Puella Maga, which I believe can falls into "Trivia" or "Note" section inside the document article instead. (Drop "Translated Official" and it works, I guess.) --0x99 04:36, 21 January 2011 (CST)
Read your proposal as well as some comments (but not all), and it sounds good in general. Just a few things I'd want to say:
  • I don't think speculah and hard facts should be merged. I don't know who lurks this wiki but there might be people who just want to learn about facts, not about the speculations of some randoms guys from an image board (okay, a lot of random guys, and they make nice speculah, but heh you get the point). Maybe use a hierarchical structure for the speculah as well as for the hard facts, but don't mix the two? (like, we'd get a "Speculah:Episode x" page for all our speculations, and a "somethingElse:Episode x" for the hard facts)
  • I think we still need a general-purpose speculah page, even if we split up speculah by episode. I fear that too much splitting up would hinder creativity (you know, you don't really get the general picture because bits are spread everywhere)
  • I'm perfectly okay with moving the runes to the appropriate episode. I'm just back from editing this page, and it isn't very nice to read nor to edit at the moment.
    • Speaking about the runes page, it's just my opinion, but don't you think the table is a bit too big? I think we should make it twice as small or something
  • As said by someone, I think the "official documents" page is doing fine where it is.
That's all for now! --Homerun-chan 12:15, 21 January 2011 (CST)
Oh and by the way, if you want help feel free to ask. My exams are coming to an end (still 2 more to go though) so I'm gonna have more time to help out from now on. --Homerun-chan 12:20, 21 January 2011 (CST)
I agree with most of the propositions here. 1) Make everything directly concerning an episode in the episode, and everything else in generic pages. 2) Separate speculah from facts. The "Speculah:Episode 1" is a good idea. I think we can keep the facts in the "main" episode article. 3) A "Runes:Episode 1" could be a good idea. Mic2070 13:47, 21 January 2011 (CST)
How about we put up a warning like this in speculah section in episode page?
This section contains fan-speculated contents. Do not treat them as fact.
I think it is better this way than implicit warning at page name. --0x99 14:46, 21 January 2011 (CST)
Well yeah, adding a "speculah alert" would be nice (as well as a spoiler alert on the "Make A Wish" page as proposed on the wishlist's talkpage). The best way to decide is to try it out but maybe we'll still need to separate the speculah from the facts. Depends on how the page layout turns out to be like.
When I have the time (which means tomorrow at least, going to bed now) I'm gonna google how to create templates for those alerts. May be cleaner than copypasting the div, and I don't feel very helpful at the moment anyway --Homerun-chan 16:56, 21 January 2011 (CST)
Just thinking, I think the cleanest way to organize content is to create a page per episode with a summary and stuff like that, and at the bottom a section "Read more" with links to the episode-related speculah, runes translations, and so on --Homerun-chan 16:59, 21 January 2011 (CST)
I feel like we'd ended up with too many articles if we separate everything in its own page and it'd be hard to keep track of contents in general. Can we try putting them in the same episode page first, then separate it later if it doesn't work out well? --0x99 01:00, 22 January 2011 (CST)
Yeah sure, the best way to know if it'll work out is to try. We could try putting everything on the same page, then depending on the reactions leave things like that or splitting them up in smaller pages --Homerun-chan 11:52, 23 January 2011 (CST)
Runes translation table... I will create a new template for runes translation soon. --0x99 14:46, 21 January 2011 (CST)

Summarize

To summarize above discussion, we gonna have

(Note: Articles not listed here are left untouched.)

Episodes, Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3, …
Replacing episodes section of Facts and Observations into Trivia section
Replacing episodes section of Speculah:Images into Images section
Replacing episodes section of Translated runes into Runes section.
Media
Replacing Teasers into Teasers section
Replacing Speculah:Images into Images section
Replacing Speculah:Tube Dubber into Music videos section
Articles
Replacing Speculah:Theories
Threads
Replacing Speculah:Threads
Replacing Image Macros into Images section
Replacing Speculah:Image Packs into Images section

Translated Official Documents and general section of Facts and Observations are left untouched for the time being. I'm not sure whether Runes:Episode 1, Runes:Episode 2 and Runes:Episode 3 should be merged into episode page, I don't think amount of runes per episode require a separate page and a bit of styling can help make them looks more readable. --0x99 17:09, 22 January 2011 (CST)

Runes:Episode_1 has at least 20 entries of the runes to be made--Saveol2009 08:24, 23 January 2011 (CST).
and most of the translated runes on this wiki for ep3 is taken out of the context and doesnt mean any thing to you if you are not aware where did it appeared in the episode and how is it relevant to the situation --Saveol2009 08:32, 23 January 2011 (CST)

I'm going to migrate stuff in Speculah namespace into main namespace first. From now on, that namespace should only be used for speculation articles. Top banner can be found at MediaWiki:Top-notice-ns-100. It's locked by default by MediaWiki, so if you want to edit it, please post your suggestion on the MediaWiki_talk:Top-notice-ns-100. Thanks. --0x99 20:34, 22 January 2011 (CST)

External Links

I made an attempt to move the wikipedia link from the "About" section to the "External Links" section. The page's history seems to have recorded it, but for some reason the change hasn't appeared. Cleared my browser's cache and everything. Any ideas? --MomoiroKakarichou 20:46, 24 January 2011 (CST)

Oh wait, it seems 0x99 was editing too? Probably why it didn't take. --MomoiroKakarichou 20:49, 24 January 2011 (CST)
Actually, I just change the wording a bit, Wikipedia link is now on External Links. Sometimes the change don't appear on the page because of internal MediaWiki caching though I've set to prune it every 30 minutes or so. --0x99 20:54, 24 January 2011 (CST)
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