I strongly suggest that we move all speculations from this page to a speculation page dedicated to Homura (and possibly the other four main characters). This could be a good occasion to clean up all the stuff that was proven wrong.
- I concur. -Becquerel 04:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- I agree too, if by "clean up" you mean "tag properly", like the wishes thing. No content should be removed IMO, just for "historical accurracy" --Homerun-chan 07:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the speculation moving, but I think we should have a dedicated page for speculation on each character. I have loads of speculation talked over heaps with my brother that I really want to post here... until I saw this. I also think that the speculation pages dedicated to each character should be just for speculah that hasn't been proven right or wrong yet. Theories proved right or wrong should just be placed on the official page on the character. FIFI 00:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
- I also agree that something should be done about the speculation. Moving everything unconfirmed doesn't sound like a bad idea (and quite easy to do for this page), but there's also pages like Kyoko's where everything is even more disorganized. For now, I'd direct you to the Theories page. Feel free to make a new page there if you have a lot of connected speculation. --Knon 10:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
abour her strong power in the new timeline: maybe because she suffered much in all the previous timelines she got a boost-up just like madoka
I removed stuff that didn't belong on this page (there was speculah about Walpurgis Night's familiars, for example, which is already present on WPN's various pages and doesn't need to be here) as well as the needless arguments on theories that have been debunked. If I knew how to make new pages -and- make said new pages look pretty and formatted, I'd move the whole speculah section to a new page, but my mad skillz at wiki pages go as far as "I can edit text".
- Regarding the theories proven right/wrong, and your editing skills, I made a template to classify theories by status (see output here). I do not have the time right now, but I think it'd be a good idea to order the theories by category then --it's in the wishlist actually --Homerun-chan 10:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- 1 Homura: One Man Army
- 2 HOMU
- 3 Homura's Stoicism Draft
- 4 Understanding Homura's Stoicism
- 5 Transformation Runes
- 6 Akemi Homura’s Seiyuu: Chiwa Saitou’s Live Dubbing Session on AFA11
- 7 Ties to Walpurgis Night
- 8 Homura's route in PSP game
- 9 Anyone knows the meaning/purpose of those short cut in scenes of Homura turning her head?
- 10 Age
- 11 What's going on with the edit wars?!
Homura: One Man Army
¥ 1,383,040,300 ($17,037,114 USD) worth of military weapons and equipment!! Damn, maybe Homura should start with Nicolas Cage in "Lord of War II: The Walpurgis Night Incident" --Mutopis 02:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
- I'm still baffled. I mean, it's hard to believe. RPGs aren't that expensive. The guy who made the vid must have made some fancy cals.
Still... Lord Of War was a great film, and I would buy that squel in the blink of an eye ^^ --BrickBreak 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Homura's Stoicism Draft
I feel like I am juggling with too many ideas. That has always been my problem when trying to make something clear and concise. I am going to need some help to wrinkle out the article once I am done. --Mutopis 08:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- Fitting actually that you mention article. You could post your thoughts freely and put it there. Right now, it feels like you want to write about all the characters and not just Homura. It's also gone beyond the facts to the point that if it stayed on the Homura page, I'd have to say it goes under speculah. --randomanon 08:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- I moved the draft here. I feel like the writing is going to become larger as I feel like to understand the Homura character we have to also understand her interaction to others as perhaps her personal experience with them and a need for comparison. I wonder If this should become a separate article all together?... --Mutopis 09:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Understanding Homura's Stoicism
Homura's emotionless and cold exterior has been misinterpreted and misunderstood by fans and observers alike. This has led to the interpretation that Homura is a dangerous Yandere, others believe her to be a psychopath with littler regard for human lives (with the exception of Madoka), but these interpretations are highly incorrect and inaccurate. This is caused by the misleading first impression we build from lacking a fundamental understanding of her background and personality. To understand Homura it is essential to rewatch some of her scenes and discover the subtle differences from first time viewing for comparison. Once we understand Homura's background and mission and her single obsession to save Madoka viewers would observe Homura in a new light.
Beneath Homura's stoic mask one will uncover the true Homura, a trace of her true self that she tries to shield with an emotional wall to cope with the rising danger of accumulating too much despair. Homura isn't the only character to be misinterpreted and misunderstood for expressing controversial opinions and actions to reach her goal, but their comparison would help to differentiate Homura from the rest of the characters. Homura developed an early survival skill to cope with her new realty to save Madoka.
To understand the Homura character it is essential to watch Episode 10 and to listen the drama CD "Memories of you". First, the Drama CD contains information regarding Homura's difficulty to adapt to a new school setting as a transfer student; no one knows her nor they try to understand her and her struggles. In her new environment Homura experiences school bullying (non-physical), demeaning rumors behind her back, and low opinion about her abilities as a person and as a student. Homura is already a fragile girl with low self-esteem caused by her weak heart and her weak physical body, with the addition of emotional stress caused by her unpopularity at school it is enough to emotionally crush her to the point of driving her to suicide and despair, or at least an enticement under a Witch's spell to end her suffering.
Another source of Homura's emotional transformation are the events taking place in the different timelines in Episode 10. Homura's experience in different timelines brought her insight into how to formulate different ways to rescue Madoka and stop Walpurgis Night. When a new element of surprised was introduced in the timeline, Homura would formulate a new solution to deviate from the same outcome. The first issue was uncovering the truth about the Puella Magi system, Homura tried to convince the girls that Kyubey was deceiving them. Sayaka reacted with distrust and Mami with skepticism, Madoka as well. The reasons are understandable as Homura is a stranger and a new comer and without any evidence to back her claim they arent ready to accept the truth. However, Mami's and Sayaka's real reasons differentiate with Madoka's and it sheds a light to their character.
Mami's character is the embodiment of a humble Ojou-sama and a kind Onee-sama. While Mami exudes class, grace, and beauty, she never flaunts her privilege or status. She tries to become a mentor for Madoka and Sayaka but at the same time tries to caution them that the life of a Puella Magi is not without sacrifice and difficulties. Mami's speech in Episode 3 gives us a glimpse to the kind of life Mami has led so far, a very lonely and solitary life with no one to call a friend. Mami's seriousness is betrayed by her emotional outburst of joy and monologue when Madoka pledges to become a Puella Magi and join together with Mami in her duty to hunt down Witches and protect the city. For the first time we learn that Mami is truly happy with being a Puella Magi. We must consider that while Mami took her responsibility as a Puella Magi with seriousness and professionalism, we can see through flashes that she was unhappy with that type of life. Perhaps we it can interpret her duty as a Puella Magi a form of Noblesse Oblige.
If Episode 3 uncovers Mami's unhappiness then Episode 10 marks her despair. The nature of her despair requires a deep analysis to understand Mami's lapse of judgement and brief moment of insanity. Given the glimpse we observe regarding Mami's solitary lifestyle and her sacrifice to protect the people and the city, it is understandable as to why Mami lost her composure. One could interpret that all her work and sacrifice was for naught, that the lives she saved would be meaningless once she became a Witch, and that her personal sacrifice and unhappiness contributed to the propagation of a horrifying system. Mami's sense of despair is understandable, however, her following actions contribute to her criticism and are the source of many arguments against her character. Mami's early impression is shattered once she gives in into despair and we glimpse into her weakest moment as a human being. But on the other hand it could be interpreted as the next logical step into a world that has gone mad. Mami knows that her friends have no future, that it is only a matter of time they will become Witches, to spare them of their suffering (and her own) and halt the death of future victims at their hands as Witches she decides that death (and suicide) is the logical and noble choice. No matter the interpretation or justification to fans what Mami did is considered an unforgivable act. What Mami committed was an act of betrayal by killing her kouhai, she commits murder by attempting to take their lives without their consent and consultation.
Surprisingly the Anime series presents different acts that involves killing and murder under different circumstances. And each act requires to be judged on their own. If Mami's action in Episode 10 can be interpreted as a betrayal (or desperation), then Madoka's action to stop Mami's murdering rampage can be interpreted as an act of self-defense and justifiable homicide, acting in defense of others (or in this case an attempt to save Homura). Many fans have criticized Madoka as a helpless crybaby, but this (horrifying) single act of bravery demonstrates Madoka's measure as a Puella Magi and as a person. Not only is she willing to take personal risks to save others, but she is also willing to make the tough choices when the situation calls for it, even if it means killing a friend to save another. Madoka is not a helpless character, she is only helpless because she is unsure what to do to make things right. True to Madoka's character she understands the danger she is imposing by becoming a Witch, rather than use the Grief Seed to save her own life she saves Homura with no regrets, then she asks Homura to do the unthinkable. Under the agony of pain and sorrow Homura commits a merciful killing by stoping Madoka's transformation into a Witch. This is not the act of a cold blooded killer (which she has been accused to be many times) but that of a friend under duress.
In no moment during the series Homura has been a senseless cold blooded killer or a murderer (under the narrow definition), it could be said that she has expressed her opinion to take bold action when the moment requires it, that includes taking a life (just like Madoka did). Which lead us to another controversy and criticism.
People who have watched episode 11's blu-ray version must have noticed that Homura's transformation got a major overhaul, including a large quantity of spinning, floating runes.
Would anyone be able to take high-quality screenshots of these so that they can be translated? I'm willing to do it, if someone uploads screenshots.
- Here you go. http://imageshack.us/g/812/vlcsnap2011101601h39m36.png/
- From what I've seen, they just appear to be numbers. In the first pic in the uploaded album, from left to right :
- 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6
- Each rune that appears is a number.
- Oh... huh... here I was expecting some sort of hidden message, but I guess it's just obeying the new theme of her transformation? Gauges? Tons of gauges? I would have expected clocks, honestly, or gears (no reference to Walpurgisnacht, though). Though I guess the gauges are sort of clocks...
- My first thought wasn't that they were gauges, but more like old, analog stopwatches.220.127.116.11 14:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Akemi Homura’s Seiyuu: Chiwa Saitou’s Live Dubbing Session on AFA11
Chiwa Saitou, the Seiyuu(Voice Actress) from the popular anime series Puella Magi Madoka Magica’s Akemi Homura will have her own Live Dubbing Session. The event will take place on AFA11′s Main Stage on November 12(Saturday) at 2:15pm. It will be called as ‘Puella Magi Madoka Magica – Akemi Homura Special!’
- The date for the session (Nov 12th) has already passed. Here's a small vid clip of it. --randomanon 22:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
- Now some pics. --randomanon 18:50, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Ties to Walpurgis Night
This is sort of in response to the idea that Homura may be Walpurgis Night. Since Walpurgis Night is a conglomeration of witches, it certainly can't be Homura, at least not Homura alone. On the card for Walpurgis Night, it says that Walpurgis Night has a helpless nature, which Homura shares. She becomes a Puella Magi to save Madoka, which she continually fails to do. After her first revert of time she is an especially useless fighter. In episode three, Homura is bound up and unable to prevent Mami's death. However the card description also says that Walpurgis Night "will continue to rotate aimlessly until the whole of this age into a drama." Aimless hardly describes Akemi Homura, who is extremely focused on her goal.
Yet the similarities between them are strong, and I have theory to explain it.
In episode ten Homura states that Mami's fate is inevitable, she is killed in every possible timeline. Following this fate idea, it maybe that for each Magi there is a rival witch (or witches) who she fights in all timelines. Each witch of plot significance has strong similarities to the Magi that fights her.
Charlotte has a love for sweets, or at least a theme based around sweets. Mami is seen several times eating cake. According to her card, her nature is tenacity, which could be applied to Mami wish to survive an accident.
Elly has a covetous nature, which we see a little of in Sakaya, who doesn't react well to Hitomi's pursual of Kamijou. Elly also closed herself off from the world, as did Sakaya following her transformation into a Magi. They also share an affinity for water.
Elsa Maria has trouble fitting in this theory because she has ties to both Sayaka and Kyoko. For the purposes of this theory, lets assume she was destined for Kyoko. Kyoko has the church connection and at one point held feelings of "self-righteousness" as described on Elsa's card. Kyoko's jointed spear has similarities to the snakes which Elsa Maria fights with. Elsa Maria is worshiping a torch held out by an arm. The similarity of this torch to that held by Lady Liberty gives a (admitted tenuous) connection to Kyoko's personal freedom.
Walpurgis Night is also troublesome in her similarities to both Homura and Madoka. Both experience feelings of helplessness and have been seen fighting the witch in multiple timelines. For the purposes of the theory I will compare her only to Madoka. Walpurgis Night has very far reaching goals "turning the whole world into a drama," as does Madoka who wishes to make a sort of heaven on earth. Walpurgis Night has red jewels on her sleeve (heart on sleeve maybe?), while Madoka's color is pink which could be a near affinity. Also note the similarities between Madoka's witch-form, which together make an hour glass. Walpurgis Night may also continually reappear in the same place to find Madoka. This does not work perfectly, of course, Homura does much the same thing. If we assume that Homura IS Walpurgis Night (partially anyway), this opens up the connection to Madoka, rahter than diminishing it. Walpurgis Night's familiars of many witches has relevance to Madoka's role as a Magi saving other Magi from falling into despair. While Homura's reappearances are tethered to a single short period of time, Madoka appears all over the world in many times and time-lines, as does Walpurgis Night. Both also meet (and destroy) many Magi.
Finally, if Madoka's rival witch is Walpurgis Night, then perhaps Homura has a rival in Gertrude. Gertrude has many war-related objects in her world, which ties in nicely to Homura's dependence on Modern weapons. Of most significance is the butterfly theme. Homura's transformation from a weak and helpless girl into her bow-weilding final form as a Puella Magi is very comparible to the metamorphasis of the butterfly. Butterflies are also related to the "betterfly effect", which is a theme played on in Madoka. Homura's devotion to and protection of Madoka is similar to Gertrud's care for her roses. The roses share a color affinity with Madoka. Gertrude has an insincere nature according to her card, which she may share with Homura in that Homura is forced to tell lies and behave coldly toward her friends in later timelines. Also signficant is presence of an Anthony (one of Gertrude's minions) at the end of the World. The Anthony certainly strengthen's Homura's ties to Gertrude, however it also complicates things for the theory. If the world is being destroyed, what business does an Anthony have chatting with Homura away from said world (and Gertrude). There's room to speculate if Homura is Gertrude, but again, since this does not fit into the theory let's just assume minions and familiars are capable of a little independence. Characteristic of the single-minded rivals, when they do meet, they do not make any efforts to fight each other, Homura is concerned with killing Kyubei and Gertrude is concerned with her roses. When confronted they both run away.
I think I might be on to something here. Let me know what you think! OnionJack 14:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)Onion Jack (Thomas)
- As for the Anthony at the end of the world, a simple explanation is that Anthonies were the first witch-realm creatures Madoka encountered in the main timeline, so Madoka (who likes fluffy things) thinks of them as representatives of the magical world. (On a production level, Inu Curry said that Anthonies were their favorite)
- I'm not convinced of direct connections between the girls and witches (in the sense of them being counterparts or witch forms of the girls), but it wouldn't be so strange if magical beings with things in common have a tendency to find each other kind of like how stand users in JoJo do. The runes in Charlotte's barrier talking about Mami and Homu could indicate witches experiencing things like Madoka's dream from the beginning of ep 1. KM 21:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Homura's route in PSP game
I'm curious where such story can be found since I only learn that their fate can be changed. But I don't know what will happen next. --Yorkwoo 16:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Anyone knows the meaning/purpose of those short cut in scenes of Homura turning her head?
I remember 2 of them. Not sure if there are more.
Episode 5 at 12:22
Episode 11 at 15:30
They just don't seem to fit in. As if they are not really happening right then and there.
18.104.22.168 20:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Something like that? ->
Ah, the infamous shaft head tilt. SHAFT, the anime studio behind Madoka, is known for these sorts of strange directional touches. After Shinbo came along, along with sparse setting, post-modern architecture, quick eye cuts, fancy typography slides, and etc have became SHAFT's calling card. You can see these elements in pretty much every show SHAFT has worked on since. Madoka is actually fairly benign on these eccentricities. Check out Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei or Bakemonogatari for these coming out in full force.
Now, concerning what it means - when you see a cut of a character quick turn and tilts her head slightly... It can mean a turn in mood; a shift in focus; a change of mind. Honestly though, it doesn't mean much. It's just something Shaft does. It's simply "Shaft being Shaft." - Prima 17:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Homura is same age as Madoka so Homura is 14 not 13 !!! 22.214.171.124 00:12, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
What's going on with the edit wars?!
All of this adding and removing is putting this page's progress to a standstill. Can't we all get our ideas out in a way that doesn't intertwine/interrupt someone else's edit? T^T And then people remove the work of others to put their own... then they put it back... If you would like, use this section to try to sort everyone's thoughts on what to put where so that we all have our contributions and ideas that we worked on for the wiki mixed in there somewhere and having them transition in a nice and smooth manner without all of this extra misplaced stuff lying around. I don't want to feel like I have to look at older revisions of this page in order to get all of the information I'm looking for. It should be unnecessary, it's too time consuming, and it validates my point. --Lord Fawful 16:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Someone apparently doesn't like the fact that the observations section calls Homura's behavior unhealthy and abusive and points out all the ways it is (and also ones like "Madoka using honorifics with her name visibly upsets her", for whatever reason), so they're constantly removing the information. It's pretty childish if you ask me. The page/section should probably get locked for a while (though it should be locked on a revision that has the abuse analysis on it. It's important and the kind of thing that people should really know about). --126.96.36.199 20:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Can't we have both sides of the argument on the page? I mean, it's unfair to delete another's work just because you disagree with it, but we could find a way to make both ideas separate sections. --Lord Fawful 23:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
There's not two separate ideas. It's one section (and then a few other bits) that keep being deleted by petty people who don't like the idea of their precious Homura being called abusive and unhealthy. I say we lock the page for a while to stop the edit war; maybe that'll even kill it. 188.8.131.52 23:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Oh, so it's just deletion and vandalism!? I thought I saw some links being posted about her actions being justified in someone else's view. I was under the impression that it was just conflicting ideas. Sorry about that. --Lord Fawful 23:56, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
There have been, but I've read the argument and it's not "justification" so much as it is excusing Homura's actions/essentially abuse apologism, so it's not acceptable. 184.108.40.206 00:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)