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Community talk:Prior Lives of Witches

2019-07-02T04:16:54Z

Adrian Syuh:

== Roberta discussion ==

Keep the discussion here, and the thread with proper statements for each point, only. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:46, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

The main strike against this theory is that if Mami transformed into a witch in that timeline, she wouldn't have lost her head against Charlotte.
:It could be seen as the fact that Mami doesn't have a very solid head on her shoulders, or maybe the witch's head as just hidden from sight behind the cage.
::Mami has a ''very'' solid head on her shoulders, as indicated by her fortitude and ability to withstand transforming into a witch for several years. Her attempt to kill the other girls in the third timeline, widely interpreted as an act of insanity, could actually be seen as a "solid-headed" decision: in order to prevent the other girls and herself from becoming Witches (and thus a threat to the people she wants to protect), Mami tries to quickly and painlessly end their lives. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Most people would call what she did 'snapping in the face of the truth'. It's generally the opposite of having a solid head if you don't have the ability to think things through before doing them after a harsh revelation.
::::She could have been thinking it through the whole battle with Oktavia -- assuming that they found out before the battle, rather than during it. Looking at the [[Population dynamics]] page, and considering Mami's dedication to protecting others even at the cost of her own well-being (she always kills familiars rather than let them grow into witches, which means less Grief Seeds to cleanse her Soul Gem), killing the other girls and herself really does seem like a rational -- but cruel -- decision. (It was not the best decision, but what else do you do when you have little time and the guy pulling the strings is invincible?) To be honest, if Mami wasn't crying and shouting during that scene, most people probably wouldn't think she had snapped. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

The official description of the witch also seems to contradict this theory, suggesting instead a party girl who desired attention from others.
:Mami made her magical girl stuff flashy and attention-seeking. I don't think that particular line debunks the theory entirely.
::However, we aren't given any reason to believe that Mami was an alcoholic (as the card suggests Roberta was) or received lots of unwanted attention from men. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::While the alcohol is unlikely (unless she spikes that tea and it was in our face all along) then yeah, that's unlikely. Though with the focus on her chest, attention from men must be a given.
::::Interestingly, Roberta's ''legs'' are emphasized, with her upper body cut out entirely. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::::If Mami was spiking her tea, then she was quite the drinker, she did it all the time and never even got a bit weewee.

Hello! I was bored, sitting in a room talking with friends, and made this: http://i53.tinypic.com/30cpvns.png
Some of them are shots in the dark (Albertine is based on the twintails of her minion, Roberta is based on the legwear being different on each leg, Gisela is based on that airpin and long sleeves, etc), but I thought they might interest people.
:I suggest you join the discussion [[File talk:Puellamagis.png|here]] then; we're trying to figure out who's who too, and hearing from research on your side might help --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 21:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::Sadly there wasn't really any research beyond trying to find visual cues. Feel free to link to/use the image to give inspiration and whatnot!

== Guessing the the puella magi that become witches. ==

With the help of the picture that appeared in EP12.
* You know the second one is a joke, right?
<gallery>
File:Puellamagis.png
File:Gotta identify them all.jpg
</gallery>

== Gisela discussion ==

I have a theory about Gisela's origins. It doesn't have anything to do with academics. She was probably a girl who wished for freedom from wealthy parents who simply cared about the family name and were so demanding of her, pushing her beyond her limit (which explains the fuel gauges in her Barrier). She probably wanted to go fast. That's why the Witch has a liberal nature. She's free from orders. but she's no longer has freedom of moving.

Does that make sense? -- [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 20:16, 07 October 2011 (UTC)

==Walpurgis Night discussion==

I have some (well-refined) speculah about Walpurgis Night's origins. There are two theories of mine:

1) Walpurgis is the witch form of Homura:
a) either from another timeline
b) because of The Global Reset Theory (please see http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Speculah:The_Global_Reset_Theory) so I think that because Homura has the power to create a second time line she can create many witch forms out of even herself.

2) If my first theory is not true, I have a second theory that Walpurgis is the witch form of a meguca who wished for her real name and identity to be completely unknown to anyone except herself (?) because Walpurgisnacht is only the alias of the witch. Her real name (and her minions too!) are just ?????.

== Elly discussion ==

Elly's barrier and her Grief Seed may indicate that Elly shows love for both social network and video games, so we could assume that Elly is a magical girl who buries herself in dealing with digital devices.

In Beginnings, there is also a picture that appears before Madoka enter Elly's barrier, in which a man is serving food. Thus, Elly may be from a very wealthy family and the man may be her cook.

p.s.: We could also infer from her silouette in Episode 12 that her clothes as a magical girl is a typical Otaku wearing.
--[[User:Adrian Syuh|Adrian Syuh]] ([[User talk:Adrian Syuh|talk]]) 04:16, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Community talk:Prior Lives of Witches

2019-07-02T04:16:14Z

Adrian Syuh:

== Roberta discussion ==

Keep the discussion here, and the thread with proper statements for each point, only. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:46, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

The main strike against this theory is that if Mami transformed into a witch in that timeline, she wouldn't have lost her head against Charlotte.
:It could be seen as the fact that Mami doesn't have a very solid head on her shoulders, or maybe the witch's head as just hidden from sight behind the cage.
::Mami has a ''very'' solid head on her shoulders, as indicated by her fortitude and ability to withstand transforming into a witch for several years. Her attempt to kill the other girls in the third timeline, widely interpreted as an act of insanity, could actually be seen as a "solid-headed" decision: in order to prevent the other girls and herself from becoming Witches (and thus a threat to the people she wants to protect), Mami tries to quickly and painlessly end their lives. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Most people would call what she did 'snapping in the face of the truth'. It's generally the opposite of having a solid head if you don't have the ability to think things through before doing them after a harsh revelation.
::::She could have been thinking it through the whole battle with Oktavia -- assuming that they found out before the battle, rather than during it. Looking at the [[Population dynamics]] page, and considering Mami's dedication to protecting others even at the cost of her own well-being (she always kills familiars rather than let them grow into witches, which means less Grief Seeds to cleanse her Soul Gem), killing the other girls and herself really does seem like a rational -- but cruel -- decision. (It was not the best decision, but what else do you do when you have little time and the guy pulling the strings is invincible?) To be honest, if Mami wasn't crying and shouting during that scene, most people probably wouldn't think she had snapped. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

The official description of the witch also seems to contradict this theory, suggesting instead a party girl who desired attention from others.
:Mami made her magical girl stuff flashy and attention-seeking. I don't think that particular line debunks the theory entirely.
::However, we aren't given any reason to believe that Mami was an alcoholic (as the card suggests Roberta was) or received lots of unwanted attention from men. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::While the alcohol is unlikely (unless she spikes that tea and it was in our face all along) then yeah, that's unlikely. Though with the focus on her chest, attention from men must be a given.
::::Interestingly, Roberta's ''legs'' are emphasized, with her upper body cut out entirely. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::::If Mami was spiking her tea, then she was quite the drinker, she did it all the time and never even got a bit weewee.

Hello! I was bored, sitting in a room talking with friends, and made this: http://i53.tinypic.com/30cpvns.png
Some of them are shots in the dark (Albertine is based on the twintails of her minion, Roberta is based on the legwear being different on each leg, Gisela is based on that airpin and long sleeves, etc), but I thought they might interest people.
:I suggest you join the discussion [[File talk:Puellamagis.png|here]] then; we're trying to figure out who's who too, and hearing from research on your side might help --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 21:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::Sadly there wasn't really any research beyond trying to find visual cues. Feel free to link to/use the image to give inspiration and whatnot!

== Guessing the the puella magi that become witches. ==

With the help of the picture that appeared in EP12.
* You know the second one is a joke, right?
<gallery>
File:Puellamagis.png
File:Gotta identify them all.jpg
</gallery>

== Gisela discussion ==

I have a theory about Gisela's origins. It doesn't have anything to do with academics. She was probably a girl who wished for freedom from wealthy parents who simply cared about the family name and were so demanding of her, pushing her beyond her limit (which explains the fuel gauges in her Barrier). She probably wanted to go fast. That's why the Witch has a liberal nature. She's free from orders. but she's no longer has freedom of moving.

Does that make sense? -- [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 20:16, 07 October 2011 (UTC)

==Walpurgis Night discussion==

I have some (well-refined) speculah about Walpurgis Night's origins. There are two theories of mine:

1) Walpurgis is the witch form of Homura:
a) either from another timeline
b) because of The Global Reset Theory (please see http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Speculah:The_Global_Reset_Theory) so I think that because Homura has the power to create a second time line she can create many witch forms out of even herself.

2) If my first theory is not true, I have a second theory that Walpurgis is the witch form of a meguca who wished for her real name and identity to be completely unknown to anyone except herself (?) because Walpurgisnacht is only the alias of the witch. Her real name (and her minions too!) are just ?????.

== Elly discussion ==

Elly's barrier and her Grief Seed may indicate that Elly shows love for both social network and video games, so we could assume that Elly is a magical girl who buries herself in dealing with digital devices.
In Beginnings, there is also a picture that appears before Madoka enter Elly's barrier, in which a man is serving food. Thus, Elly may be from a very wealthy family and the man may be her cook.
p.s.: We could also infer from her silouette in Episode 12 that her clothes as a magical girl is a typical Otaku wearing.
--[[User:Adrian Syuh|Adrian Syuh]] ([[User talk:Adrian Syuh|talk]]) 04:16, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

File talk:Puellamagis.png

2019-07-02T03:55:15Z

Adrian Syuh:

Now good luck identifying them all... the only one we can be certain is that the second from the left is Elly. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
: I'm willing to bet that the fourth from the left is Charlotte (her pigtails resemble the witch's "candy-wrapper" ears), but let's hope that the main website attaches the silhouettes with the witches. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 20:18, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
: Fifth from left is Elsa Maria, I think. Just going off the hair style. [[Special:Contributions/90.227.151.181|90.227.151.181]] 20:54, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:: I added that the third from the left might be Gisela (her curved hairstyle resembles her Witch's Kiss), but we can't tell exactly ''which'' witches from the series appear here. There are only ten unidentified magical girls in the screencap, whereas nine witches (not including Oktavia and Kriemhild) appeared in the show and three more were given informational cards. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 21:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:One lineup guess proposed on /a/: Gisela, Elly, Isabel, Patricia, Gertrud, Mami, Homura, Madoka, Sayaka, Kyouko, Suleika, Uhrmann, Albertine, Charlotte, Roberta
[http://i53.tinypic.com/30cpvns.png] One possible permutation. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 21:56, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
* [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyGuess.png?t=1303524012] My interpretation. Here's the "logic" (for the not-shown witches, I tried connecting them to familiars, and admittedly Elsa Maria's justification is that I drew her similarly): [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyElsa.png?t=1303524059] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyElly.png?t=1303524152] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/IDK1.png?t=1303524194]/[http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/IDK2.png?t=1303524194]/[http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/IDK3.png?t=1303524195] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyCharlotte.png?t=1303524255] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyGertrud.png?t=1303524261] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyWalpurgis.png?t=1303524323] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyUrhmann.png?t=1303524325] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyAlbertine.png?t=1303524328] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyPatricia.png?t=1303524333] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyGisela.png?t=1303524335] [[User:MsDevin92|MsDevin92]] 02:06, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
** Also, I think it's notable that the silhouettes in Episode 11 appeared to be serving Walpurgisnacht. Their shiny appearance sort of resembled corrupted Soul Gems. Does Walpurgis turn the shadows of doomed Puella Magi into her familiars? Does she get more power for each defeated witch? [[User:MsDevin92|MsDevin92]] 04:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

I will state the obvious here because I felt it was needed: There are only 10 unidentified figures, while there are twelve unidentified witches. Three witches weren't shown in the anime, so it might be two of them, or that it's actually all three of them and we have an extra figure that never appeared in the anime. The fact that the figure on the left is cut off might indicate that there are more figures on the left side. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:01, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
:The fact that there's two an not three missing makes it kind of a gamble. But I agree with you, there should be more to the left: I guess we'll have to wait for Word of God/Blu-Ray/alternative airing to see the whole picture. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 01:05, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

[[File:Charlottecomparison.PNG|thumb|200px]]
A comparison chart showing one of the silhouettes with the matching Walpurgis familiar, and Charlotte, who has a nose the same shape as the silhouette's tail, similar hair, and a resemblance to the wand. [[User:KM|KM]] 20:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

I made some image compilations on my opinion as to which witch matches which silhouette. Here they are: [http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7020/suleikaspecula.png] [http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3523/izabelspecula.png] [http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9529/gertrudspecula.png] [http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/543/elsamariaspeculah.png] [http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5928/albertinespeculah.png] [http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/1265/walpurgisspeculah.png] [http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7774/miscspecula.png] -they are in no particular order. And I agree with the above user about Charlotte's possible Puella Magi form. That's very strong visual evidence, so I decided not to make a compilation for Charlotte. [[User:ViralJuggernaut|ViralJuggernaut]] 7:12, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
[[File:GertrudPaintingsCloseup.PNG|left|thumb|200px]]I like those Albertine, Suleika, and Izabel ones. Here's closeups of Gertrud's paintings from the BD. This portrait on the door has a woman wearing a bow around her neck. I'm not sure what to make of the orange painting.

Looks like Elly, Charlotte, and Walpurgis are settled. Since the Ika Musume one is right next to the main characters, like Walpurgis, it's probably another witch that was prominent in the show, like Elsa Maria or Gertrud. [[User:KM|KM]] 00:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
[[File:PN_05.jpg|thumb|right]]This sketch from the [[Puella_Magi_Production_Note | production notes]] shows the Walpurgis familiars with more detail. For example, the one suspected to be Charlotte has bangs similar to Charlotte's and polka-dotted tights.[[User:KM|KM]] 02:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
:Seeing how the Production Note shows the silhouettes in more detail, perhaps we should see if we can upload pictures of the pages of the silhouettes after the Production Note is released later this month. [[Special:Contributions/96.238.30.200|96.238.30.200]] 00:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
::Assuming the scans show up or someone contributes them, sure. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 00:35, 3 September 2011 (UTC
:::[[File:Madoka07.jpg|thumb|left]]I managed to find a picture that has three Puellae Magi from the ending picture. One of them is one Puella Magi that is thought to be [[Charlotte]]. The top one I believe to be Gisela because of ViralJuggernaut's speculah and the circular object in the middle of the Puella Magi's apron(?) bears some resemblance to the large gear in the center of [[Gisela]]'s body. I believe the one at the bottom (the last one in the ending picture) may be [[Uhrmann]] due to it's feral-ish appearance, which can be taken as canine by some. It may also be [[Roberta]] for the same reasons ViralJuggernaut sees so. [[Special:Contributions/96.238.30.200|96.238.30.200]] 04:06, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
In the PN 05 image, the girl next to what I strongly think is Charlotte could perhaps be Uhrmann because her dress matches that of her minions. In the latest PN picture, I think the last two could be Suleika because the attire is mismatched (dressing in the dark to go with the speculah that she was blind *wink wink*) I retract my statement that she could be Roberta because it was revealed that she was indeed an older woman when she became a witch. Was there anything more in the PN about the witches or even the guidebook? [[User:ViralJuggernaut|ViralJuggernaut]]
:Ah, perhaps what the guidebook says about the design labirynths is a clue to their wishes? Charlotte's sounds like she wished for her dying mother to eat cheesecake instead of curing her disease. [[User:ViralJuggernaut|ViralJuggernaut]]
:: Those were likely early concepts that were changed later in development; for example the "train" barrier which probably became Oktavia -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]]

I don't think that Albertine ever appears in the screenie. The reason is Albertine performs as if she, as a magical girl, was a very young and childish. She is expected to be shorter than Charlotte (probably a primary school student), but we could not find the figure that matches. --[[User:Adrian Syuh|Adrian Syuh]] ([[User talk:Adrian Syuh|talk]]) 03:54, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

== BD ==
Just bumping this to ask that someone upload the BD version of this screenie. Eager to know if there are more girls to the left, afterall. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 03:00, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
:[http://images.puella-magi.net/6/65/BD_6_End_Credit_Magical_Girls_Lineup.jpg Here. Did not crop, BD shows less.] --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 03:41, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
::Quite disappointing :/<br>Thanks, anyway. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 08:06, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

== Production Note ==
These might be helpful. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 04:11, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
[[File:Production Note 0014.jpg|thumb|From Production Note|left]]
[[File:Magical Girls End Credits.jpg|thumb|Slightly closer view|left]]

== Theory ==
Since the magical girl that greatly resembles Charlotte does not look at all like Nagisa, what if Walpurgisnacht's minions are gijinka-ized versions of the magical girls of the witches? Meaning that they are the original magical girls, but their outfits are similar to their witch forms. That's the only thing that I can think of that can account for the Charlotte-looking magical girl not looking like Nagisa. -[[user:AntMan9751|<span style="font-size:15px;line-height:19px;font-family:{{#switch:{{{variant}}}|musical=MadokaMusical|#default=MadokaRunes}};">ANTHONY</span>]] 02:53, 10 May 2014 (UTC)