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2012-10-23T23:15:12Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* Trailer for Movie 3 */

Huh. The subtitles for these films are, uh, unexciting. Are they going to go ahead with a "Story" motif for the third film's title? If so, maybe they'll go with something as pompous as "The Greatest Story Ever Told." (Of course, with no Swedish Jesus in sight ;-).) [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:21, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:I thought it was pretty nice that they name the first film "[[Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Beginning Story|The Beginning Story]]". --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 08:50, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

The movie is going to be a simultaneous release, any idea how long is the duration? Something tells me hardcore fans will try to watch both of them together on the same day--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:40, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

==link==
[[File:Madokagoodies comiket.jpg|right]]
*[http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-10953.html anyone knows what it says?]--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:27, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/interest/2012-08-03/madoka-magica-fate/zero-comiket-exclusives-revealed Madoka Magica, Fate/Zero's Comiket Exclusives Revealed]
*[https://wiki.puella-magi.net/File_talk:New_magical_girl_character_magazine_article_2012.jpg New character Hoax] Damn trolls --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

==Differences, Quality==
[http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/news/2012-08-25/madoka-magica-films-ad-streamed-with-theme-by-claris-duo Madoka Magica Films' Ad Aired With New Theme by ClariS]

''A 30-second commercial began airing for the first two Puella Magi Madoka Magica films on Saturday, and it features the new theme song "Luminous" by the teenaged female duo ClariS.'' (yep, new song) --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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the movie version quality will be different than the tv and blu-ray. are we going to add a new subsection for that? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

[http://youtu.be/Fem01BT51Eo Mezamashi TV just aired a feature this morning] with clips from the movies that features a fancied up transformation sequence for both Sayaka and Mami (as well as completely new material). [http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-12156.html Screens can be found here] in case the YT link gets taken down.--[[User:Ren|ren]] 23:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

==Movie Premiere==
[[File:Madoka Magica in the fucking Grand Rex.jpg|right|300px]]
Is anyone is going to go or can go? If so, would anyone like to take notes or pics so it can be contributed to the wikia? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:29, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
:I plan on going to the NYC one, so I'll try to take notes if I can. No guarantees on pictures. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 02:31, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

:I'm going to the San Francisco one and don't mind taking photos/notes. --[[User:Ren|ren]] 05:34, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
::Back from the San Francisco show. I got some shots of the crowd and have some notes from memory ready to type out, but it'll take a while... all I'll say for now is watching with a non-JP audience might have ruined the experience a bit.--[[User:Ren|ren]] 10:26, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

:I'm heading to the LA one on a Saturday. I can't believe it's almost upon me already. I'll be sure to acquire someone's camera so I can snap some photos as keepsake, and I'll try to purchase everything. M-maybe I can purchase multiples of some things and give them away as gifts to #madoka. [[User:Holycrap|Holycrap]] 08:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

*[https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=433609743340911&set=a.197162296985658.38734.196941927007695&type=1&relevant_count=1 Madoka Magica Premiere at San Francisco & L.A. meetup facebook]
*[https://twitter.com/aniplexUSA/status/250373658902675456 Attn Houston Fans: Tickets are now on Sale for the Madoka Screening at the Alamo Drafthouse.] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

==Movie Premiere in Japan==
Has the movie premiered yet in Japan? (I get a bit confused by the time difference) If so, is there any news out? --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 16:02, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

It already premiered about a day ago or so. Some kind Japanese Anon already offered a write up of the most notable things. Here it is:

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Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Beginning Story

I watched this yesterday and want to write down my observation and thoughts, just for your curiosity. Excuse me for my poor English though, it’s not my mother tongue.

Also, SPOILER WARNING

First of all;

1) They said it was going to be a recap. I say, SHINBO THE MASTER TROLLER. Every scenes have got certain changes-more or less-and, as far as I remember, all nearly all of the highlights scenes have been REDRAWN. It’s not merely a recap; I would call it a complete overhaul.

2) Those changes are so significant that, even though I had recently watched Madoka all over again-for my fourth time-on Niconico last week, it just felt like a completely new anime. If you haven’t watched Madoka for a while, I guarantee, it will be just as fresh as it was in 2011.

Story

1) There are not many changes or differences and most of them seem to be insignificant. I recognized some changes in the order of certain scenes, probably to join all the separate episodes together into a single continuing piece.

2) The first part, as it was revealed earlier in the morning, covers the first 8 episodes; it ends with ‘I’m such a fool’ and that god damn Kyubey lecturing us about the meaning of mahout-shojo.

Scenes

1) Apparently, there are few scenes that have been cut out, like the one with Madoka in a cafe asking Homura if she could help Sayaka. The dialogue itself seems to be absorbed into the other scene on the school’s roof. The scene where Sayaka makes her contract is also made very brief, with no dialogue at all.

2) There are four transformation sequences; new ones each for Sayaka and Kyoko, TWO FOR MAMI. They are of course much better than the ones on the TV series. Sayaka’s transformation takes place underwater and clearly resembles that of the little mermaid, or maybe her fate. Kyoko performs a nice dance with her spear while transforming, if you know what I mean.

3) It shows Mami’s Soul Gem getting shattered into pieces when Charlotte does MOGUMOGU. The entire sequence -Mami vs Charlotte- has actually become a little bit more crual, although I can’t explain why and how. Maybe because the way Charlotte moves, or it could be something about that new soundtrack.

4) For those who are concerned about all those beautiful shaft necks; rejoice. You can enjoy those nice angles of 90 degrees on the huge cinema screen.

5) THAT INU-CURRY WORLD FILLING THE ENTIRE CINEMA SCREEN.

6) The very last part of the new ending animation features an unknown pink silhouette -most likely that of Godoka- with another silhouette that is somewhat smaller and floating inside its belly, or womb?

Music

1) This is where I'm giving the most credit. Kajiura has once again done a magnificent job. I just can’t imagine the Madoka universe anymore without her works.

2) There are a number of new soundtracks; including the other two of which I haven't even heard so far. There are three -so far as I’ve counted- newly rearranged Sis Puella Magica(the main theme), two for Conturbatio(the Sayaka theme); one of those is a vocal version and played during the Sayaka vs Elsa Maria. It sounds something like an aria -like one from opera-makes the scene even more tragic. It is so heart breaking.

3) Credens Justitiam also has got a vocal version, definitely by Kalafina. You can assume how much Shaft cares about Mami.

4) The Homura vs Charlotte battle has got a new soundtrack, as well as the scene where Sayaka turns into a witch ;_; If you prefer Decretum, you might be a bit disappointed, although the new soundtrack is just as amazing.

5) EVEN WITCHES HAVE GOT THEIR OWN THEME SOUNDTRACK. Both Charlotte and Television-chan. the Charlotte theme is pretty nice. You can hardly wait for the release of the new soundtrack. I think there is one for Elsa Maria as well, but not sure if it was just the vocal version of Conturbatio which I have just mentioned above.

6) The ending theme is the movie arrange of Magia, at the full length. The new ending animation is, put it simply, an extended version of the original TV one, featuring silhouettes of several unknown magical girls before those of the main characters appear in the way like they did in the original one.

Trivia

1) They're now studying in a cathedral. I'm not even joking.

2) Mitagihara City now looks more urbanized then even NYC. Must be renamed St.Madokaburg or something.

3) Mrs Kaname is just as bro as she is in the TV series.

4) The teacher is still struggling with fertility stuff. No peace for poor Nakazawa-kun.

5) For the first time, they say, Madoka appears in a plain clothe! Remember that previously in the TV serious she shows only three types of outfit; school uniform, magical girl’s dress, and pajama.

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Archive of the thread is here: http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72622214/

[[User:MochaCoffee|MochaCoffee]] 18:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

:Oh, my gosh, this sounds INCREDIBLE! This will definitely please everybody who is complaining about two "recap" movies being released. I can't wait to see screencaps! --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 01:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:4chan is going crazy with that pregnancy speculation, /u/ is going nuts, talking about Madoka and Homura's baby! --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 13:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Another madoka movie thread http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72986699/ --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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*[http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=30620855 someone saw and liked the movie] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
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*how was the second movie? Any good news? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:37, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://beatarai.blog90.fc2.com/blog-entry-2639.html Japanese fan comments about the movie] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

==Movie Thread /a/==
I am not keeping a track on these threads, but if anyone is willing to do so, try to see if they can be done in order.

*http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72622214/
*http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72986699/
*http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/73059493

== Luminous Lyrics ==

Found a romaji translation of the full lyrics. Not sure if its 100% accurate, but it seems legit after listening to Luminous while reading the lyrics.

:Tsutaeatta kokoro no ondo wo
:Sotto daiji sou ni kakae aruite ita

:Kotae no nai negai no naka de
:Kotoba wa mirai kaete

:Osanai koro zutto yume ni mite ita watashi ni wa mada
:Tooi kedo kimi ga ireba
:Sukoshi wa tsuyoku nareru ki ga shite
:Ashita no iro wo kasane nutta

:Yonda kibou tadotte tometa sekai wo koeta
:Akiramenai omoi itsu shika kokoro tsunageta
:Naite itatte waratte ashita mukae ni yukou
:Kimeta chikai tsurakute taorete mo
:Kimi no kokoro wo mamoru tame

:Kioku no nai toki no nagare ni
:Kitto motomete ita atatakasa wa atte

:Tsutsumareta shunkan subete no
:Omoi wa kimi he meguru

:Sora ni mukatte hashiri te ni shita
:Ikutsu mono toutoi hikari mune ni shimatte
:Watashi no naka no kagayaki ni kae
:Mayoi wo zenbu haratte tobou

:Seikai no mienai irikunda meiro wo nuke
:Kimi ga nagashita namida de kokoro mezameta
:Soshite shitta sekai wa konna ni mo mada kirei de
:Atarashii kanousei wo umu darou
:Toki no kakera no negai kara

:Sukui shinjite wareta omoi
:Watashi ga hajimari ni tatte
:Kimi no egao torimodosu yo
:Shinjitsu no kiseki ni natte

:Yonda kibou tadotte tometa sekai wo koeta
:Akiramenai omoi itsu shika kokoro tsunageta
:Naite itatte waratte ashita mukae ni yukou
:Kimeta chikai tsurakute taorete mo
:Kimi no kokoro wo mamoru tame
:Kimi no soba ni iyou

Source: http://beautifulsonglyrics.blogspot.com/2012/10/claris-luminous-lyrics.html#ixzz297dSwvLQ

EDIT: WELP, I seem to have found someone on tumblr who roughly translated the lyrics already in english. http://sparklyspacehugs.tumblr.com/post/33149041498/this-translation-is-a-work-in-progress-sup

--[[User:Riga92|Riga92]] 21:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

== Film Strips ==

Here are galleries of the film strips the Japanese fans have been posting. Looks like quite a number of scenes have been reanimated. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 17:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://imgur.com/a/U4qoU#0 Gallery #1]
*[http://imgur.com/a/X7XiZ#0 Gallery #2]
*[http://imgur.com/a/D9a9E#0 Gallery #3]
*[http://imgur.com/a/ScwZg#0 Gallery #4]
*[http://imgur.com/a/BORT4#0 Gallery #5]
*[http://imgur.com/a/2ZOzn#0 Gallery #6]

[http://himarin.net/archives/6675148.html another source of film strips] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

==Audio from End-of-The-Everlasting-Story Preview==
Translated by /a/:

"Witches— The most evil harbingers of despair. As well as the accursed final form of magical girls who have fallen into despair. Once before, I had repeated the same time again and again, to wage war against that cruel fate. And in the end, with a single girl as a sacrifice, the cruel cycle of hope and despair was broken. The world was guided towards a new truth. Or so it seemed…

Mami: "Don't even think of chasing me… or we'll have to fight."

Kyoko: "Isn't that Hitomi's nightmare's…"

Sayaka: "Hitomi must have it rough, huh. She tried to make that insensitive blockhead her boyfriend and all…"

QB: "I'm almost certain that that's the very ability of those witches you once told me about…"

Kyoko: "You really don't look like you're trying to make fun of me. You're serious, aren't you?"

Homura: "There's nothing but a cycle of sadness and hatred. I dream of the day that sorely missed smile comes back to this hopeless world."

Madoka: "Sorry for making you wait. You've always been giving it your all, haven't you?"

Homura: "…Madoka."

Madoka: "Let's go now. From now on, we'll be together forever."

:An alternate, more literal(?) and independently done translation, courtesy of ANN user Juno016. Includes physical descriptions of preview. [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
:*the preview starts with the camera panning across rubble with painted figures of each of the magical girls

:Homura (narration): Witches-- Those are the disaster "demons" (lit. "Magic users") who spread despair. And, the magical girls who have fallen into despair, and in the end, are reduced to a cursed form. The me living then, repeating the same time over and over, to fight against that cruel fate. And finally, a lone girl's sacrifice, therefore cutting the cruel chains of hope and despair, expectantly guiding the world to a new truth. ...or so it would seem...

:*actual clips from the third movie

:*Mami talking to someone off-screen with a cautious grin on her face

:Mami: "Don't think of following me..."

:*we see Mami and Kyouko in their magical girl forms in a parking lot(?), weapons ready

:Mami: "...or did you come to fight..."

:*Kyouko running through the street, talking into a cellphone

:Kyoko: "Shizuki Hitomi's nightmare...?" (ED. Note: the earlier translation seemed to indicate that Hitomi's so-called nightmare found a physical manifestation, but now I'm not so sure, considering there's no possessive marker. Then again, it must be important enough to mention in the preview.... [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC))

:*Sayaka in her school outfit(?), nervously grinning

:Sayaka: "Hitomi must be having trouble, huh. She made that insensitive guy her boyfriend and..."

:*Kyuubey's face

:Kyuubey: "Exactly. It's just like the value/ability of the witches you explained once, huh."

:*Kyouko, with her back turned to the screen

:Kyouko: "Calling me an 'idiot'... That's... not what you're doing, huh..."

:*she shaft-head-tilts toward the screen, with a serious look on her face

:Kyouko: "You're... serious, aren't you."

:*Kyuubey is shown with something reflecting in his eyes

:Homura (narration): "Nothing but sadness and hatred repeat. In this word that cannot be saved..."

:*closer inspection reveals the reflection to be Ultimate Madoka's silhouette in the starry sky

:Homura: "...the hope to chance upon that dear/missed smile once again..."

:*Ultimate Madoka's silhouette reflects in a shaft-head-tilting Sayaka's eyes as well, in space(?)

:Madoka: "Sorry to make you wait. Until now, you've continuously done your best, haven't you~"

:*Homura's face, surprised

:Homura: "...Madoka..."

:*the actual silhouette of Madoka, but she's on a rocky, moon/asteroid-like rock formation surface now, possibly in front of Homura

:Madoka: "Okay~ Let's go~"

:*coming 2013 screen

== Movie ending ==

Where has all of this new info about the movie ending being radically different from the anime series come from? I hope it's not all just from the audio preview for the third movie... --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 06:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:Mmmmmmyeah, I have a feeling this speculah has come from the audio. From what impressions I've read and skimmed, there are no changes to the ending's content-- for instance, I don't see anything being said about there being no Majuu (demons) or Sayaka not dying. I have a feeling that the third film might simply pick up sometime before that latter particular scene. [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 08:13, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
::It would really bother me if the reason Sayaka is back to life is because of ''Madoka Ex Machina'', it would really undermine the whole plot of the anime series as well as the cruel system that Urobuchi put in place. The reason Sayaka had to die (and insisted she needed to die) was to show that magical girls can still die, if he were to walk back from that by saying, "I decided to cheat and bring back Sayaka because of magic" would really be a cruel joke... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 11:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:::But there's nothing actually confirming that Sayaka has come back to life. Hearing her voice in the preview could mean anything: it could be a dream or a flashback, you name it. Like Animerican-Redeemed above, I haven't heard of any content changes, especially not something as drastic that would create wild speculations about a new universe. The reason I brought it up in the first place is because this information is already spread out on three pages (this one, 12th Episode, Yuri undertones). Frankly, even with it labelled as being highly speculative, until more people actually have access to the movies, I think the information is more confusing than anything. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 14:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

==Ticket Sales==
We need info on ticket sales in Japan as well as international viewing, is there a way to have this info and post it on the page? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:(Also how much money the movie made in Japan and overseas too. If possible have a column showing their foreign currency and next to it changed into dollars --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-09/1st-madoka-magica-film-opens-at-no.7-with-over-us$1-million 1st Madoka Magica Film Opens at #7 With Over US$1 Million]
*[http://www.mangahere.com/news/puella-magi-madoka-magica-movies-tickets-sold-out/ Puella Magi Madoka Magica Movies Presale Tickets Sold Out in a Cinema in SFO]
I tried looking for some info regarding ticket sales, not a lot to work on. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 15:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:Does anyone know where to find box office/ticket sales reliable data? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 15:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/10/15-1/otaku-legions-mobilize-for-second-madoka-magica-movie Movie #2 opening stats]. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 21:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-15/2nd-madoka-magica-film-ranks-no.2-with-us$2.18-million 2nd Madoka Magica Film Ranks #2 With US$2.18 Million] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

==New World Speculation==
The New World: Movie Version and Differences

<big>''(WARNING: THIS IS HIGHLY SPECULATIVE UNTIL RELEASE OF THE THIRD FILM)''</big>

There is speculation that the New World version of the movie is not the same from the anime series version. The New World concept of the movie version radically departs from the anime version that it alters the anime storyline. If the creators have made the story from the movie version a different story from that of the anime version, so we must consider both versions to be equally valid. If we consider the New World of the movie version and anime version to be canon then one acceptable explanation is that these two Worlds are from different universes. How these two Worlds are connected has not been explained. Since the universe from the anime series and the universe from the movie version share similarities but radical differences, they will both be treated as separate universes. The universe from the anime version will be indicated as '''Universe A''', and the universe from the movie version will be indicated as '''Universe M''', just as a matter of pragmatism.

*At first it seems like the cycle of suffering has been broken and that Witches have never existed in the New World of '''Universe M''', but this is proven to be false.
*Despair continues to haunt magical girls in the New World of '''Universe M'''.

*Sayaka is alive in '''Universe M'''. In '''Universe A''', Sayaka gave her life as a sacrifice and Ultimate Madoka accepted Sayaka's fate and wish. Not only does Madoka accept Sayaka's decision, but helps her to transition to what it is speculated to be the afterlife, so Sayaka's doesnt have any regrets from her choice. Why is Sayaka still alive in ''Universe M'' is not known. It is not clear yet if this is the result of Ultimate Madoka's interfering with Sayaka's fate or something else at work.
*Ultimate Madoka is able to show herself to Homura and perhaps interact with '''Universe M'''. In '''Universe A''', only Madoka's voice and presence could be felt by Homura.

:Perhaps Universe M is a prototype to Universe A, I mean, Madoka is a 4th grader, there is no way she would know how to completely tune the Universe from curse to hope in just one try. --[[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 20:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
::Alternatively, it could be that the Incubators began a counter attack that somehow jeopardized Madoka's Universe, I mean, there is a whole multiverse of timelines she has to watch over and if her wish works like a ripple effect then some time axis might be still undergoing transition. That also helps explaining the Online Game. --[[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 20:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
: In my opinion, I think someone may be overthinking this.--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:18, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
::My guess: Nothing from the anime ending is changed, there's no alternate universe, the scene with Homura holding the ribbons after Sayaka dies comes halfway through the third movie, Homura reacts that way because it's her first time seeing a girl actually get taken away by Madoka, QB reports Homura's reminiscing to the mothership and they research it, they find a new and creative way to exploit girls, QB tests it on Hitomi, it does not go as planned, out-of-control test subjects turn into witches, and QB will drop by Homura's apartment to casually mention that he wouldn't mind her help cleaning up, since the deaths of all humans on Earth would interfere with reaching his quota in a timely manner. [[User:KM|KM]] 21:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Look, I know that there's a disclaimer about it being highly speculative, but still, this statement-- "The New World concept of the movie version radically departs from the anime version that it alters the anime storyline"-- sounds much too assumptive, much too "definitive" a statement from one making mere speculation. Again, is there anything at *all* in the second movie itself, discounting the trailer that has Sayaka's voice in it, that indicates a New World different from the one seen in the series? I've yet to hear anything about there being altered plot developments in the second movie; it sounds like everything shown in the series ending-- the Majuu, Madoka's wish, Sayaka's death, etc.-- hasn't been taken out. And even if Sayaka was brought back to life, would that really imply a "radically different" universe? [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 00:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
::The way I see is this, if Sayaka is brought back from the death, it undermines the argument of the cycle of suffering and the system in place since magical girls can be brought back to life (unless there is an acceptable explanation). On the other hand, if the story was an "What If" scenario or a different universe where Sayaka didnt die it wont undermine the concept that magical girls die. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

:I saw the movie today and don't get what difference from the anime version. They look the same. After ED, however, there is some introduction about the 3rd movie, which is very different. Are you talking about that? --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 10:26, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

==Alternate Timelines?==
Someone help me out here. I remember reading something which said (either in the movie brochure or the Sport Hochi interview) that said the third movie will include timelines that we're cut out the anime. I can't find the source though, so I don't know how accurate this is. Has anyone read something like this, and if so, where? Thanks --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

==Trailer for Movie 3==
I went to one of the showings last night and recorded the movie 3 trailer for you guys. [http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xui1co_pmmm-m3t_shortfilms Enjoy.] --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 17:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
:Thank you so much! [[Special:Contributions/208.120.155.143|208.120.155.143]] 03:39, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
::You know that feeling of getting your conception of a happy ending kicked out of your groin? Well, I am kind of getting those vibes. --[[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 04:14, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
:::Urobuchi lied about a happy ending! --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
::::Another version [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8L2jpGe-yk&feature=player_embedded Click to see]-- 21:00, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::Somebody reuploaded mine somewhere else already? You move fast, fandom. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 13:03, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::Dang, taken down to copyright violation (both links!). Guess they're more or less enforcing the warnings that I hear were given in the Music Box Theater in Chicago (and presumably the other theaters): do any filming, and get kicked out. Sigh.... well, uh, any chance of uploading a link to a ''private'' video of it again? --[[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 16:39, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I hear you can search for the dailymotion link in the archive of a certain imageboard and find threads where there's mediafire links, but those sorts of things probably shouldn't be directly provided on the wiki now that we know they want it taken down. (very nice work capturing the preview, though, that was exciting) [[User:KM|KM]] 19:42, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I still have the original copy I recorded, so I guess I could make a throw-away youtube account and upload it privately if it doesn't turn up again. My theater never made any announcement about no recording, but in general, the NYC showing was the worst of all of them, so I guess this is the upside. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 20:01, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::::"NYC showing was the worst of all of them" What do you mean by that? I had REALLY wanted to go, but... sold out tickets. :( So I'm curious to know what you mean. [[User:YazzyDream|YazzyDream]]
:::::::::There was not enough of the limited edition posters or signboards for even a fourth of the audience, there was absolutely no merchandise on sale, the audio had the bass so high that people close to the speakers were complaining of not being able to hear any dialogue, there was no intermission, the people working the projector were messing around with it during the showing so that the picture was made to be less than half of the original size before people complained and they put it back. All in all, it was a mess. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 22:20, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

==Yahoo auction==
*[http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/10/21-1/madoka-x-homura-madoka-magica-film-strip-auctioned-for-over-1-million-yen Madoka x Homura "Madoka Magica" Film Strip Auctioned for Over 1 Million Yen]
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-10-20/madoka-magica-film-strip-auctioned-for-us$8300+ Madoka Magica Film Strip Auctioned for US$8,300+]
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-10-21/madoka-magica-film-strip-auction-ends-at-us$13600 Madoka Magica Film Strip Auction Ends at US$13,600]
*[http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d133919334 yahoo auction]

Talk:Madoka Magica Movie

2012-10-23T16:39:07Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* Trailer for Movie 3 */

Huh. The subtitles for these films are, uh, unexciting. Are they going to go ahead with a "Story" motif for the third film's title? If so, maybe they'll go with something as pompous as "The Greatest Story Ever Told." (Of course, with no Swedish Jesus in sight ;-).) [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:21, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:I thought it was pretty nice that they name the first film "[[Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Beginning Story|The Beginning Story]]". --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 08:50, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

The movie is going to be a simultaneous release, any idea how long is the duration? Something tells me hardcore fans will try to watch both of them together on the same day--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:40, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

==link==
[[File:Madokagoodies comiket.jpg|right]]
*[http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-10953.html anyone knows what it says?]--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:27, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/interest/2012-08-03/madoka-magica-fate/zero-comiket-exclusives-revealed Madoka Magica, Fate/Zero's Comiket Exclusives Revealed]
*[https://wiki.puella-magi.net/File_talk:New_magical_girl_character_magazine_article_2012.jpg New character Hoax] Damn trolls --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

==Differences, Quality==
[http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/news/2012-08-25/madoka-magica-films-ad-streamed-with-theme-by-claris-duo Madoka Magica Films' Ad Aired With New Theme by ClariS]

''A 30-second commercial began airing for the first two Puella Magi Madoka Magica films on Saturday, and it features the new theme song "Luminous" by the teenaged female duo ClariS.'' (yep, new song) --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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the movie version quality will be different than the tv and blu-ray. are we going to add a new subsection for that? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

[http://youtu.be/Fem01BT51Eo Mezamashi TV just aired a feature this morning] with clips from the movies that features a fancied up transformation sequence for both Sayaka and Mami (as well as completely new material). [http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-12156.html Screens can be found here] in case the YT link gets taken down.--[[User:Ren|ren]] 23:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

==Movie Premiere==
[[File:Madoka Magica in the fucking Grand Rex.jpg|right|300px]]
Is anyone is going to go or can go? If so, would anyone like to take notes or pics so it can be contributed to the wikia? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:29, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
:I plan on going to the NYC one, so I'll try to take notes if I can. No guarantees on pictures. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 02:31, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

:I'm going to the San Francisco one and don't mind taking photos/notes. --[[User:Ren|ren]] 05:34, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
::Back from the San Francisco show. I got some shots of the crowd and have some notes from memory ready to type out, but it'll take a while... all I'll say for now is watching with a non-JP audience might have ruined the experience a bit.--[[User:Ren|ren]] 10:26, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

:I'm heading to the LA one on a Saturday. I can't believe it's almost upon me already. I'll be sure to acquire someone's camera so I can snap some photos as keepsake, and I'll try to purchase everything. M-maybe I can purchase multiples of some things and give them away as gifts to #madoka. [[User:Holycrap|Holycrap]] 08:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

*[https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=433609743340911&set=a.197162296985658.38734.196941927007695&type=1&relevant_count=1 Madoka Magica Premiere at San Francisco & L.A. meetup facebook]
*[https://twitter.com/aniplexUSA/status/250373658902675456 Attn Houston Fans: Tickets are now on Sale for the Madoka Screening at the Alamo Drafthouse.] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

==Movie Premiere in Japan==
Has the movie premiered yet in Japan? (I get a bit confused by the time difference) If so, is there any news out? --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 16:02, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

It already premiered about a day ago or so. Some kind Japanese Anon already offered a write up of the most notable things. Here it is:

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Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Beginning Story

I watched this yesterday and want to write down my observation and thoughts, just for your curiosity. Excuse me for my poor English though, it’s not my mother tongue.

Also, SPOILER WARNING

First of all;

1) They said it was going to be a recap. I say, SHINBO THE MASTER TROLLER. Every scenes have got certain changes-more or less-and, as far as I remember, all nearly all of the highlights scenes have been REDRAWN. It’s not merely a recap; I would call it a complete overhaul.

2) Those changes are so significant that, even though I had recently watched Madoka all over again-for my fourth time-on Niconico last week, it just felt like a completely new anime. If you haven’t watched Madoka for a while, I guarantee, it will be just as fresh as it was in 2011.

Story

1) There are not many changes or differences and most of them seem to be insignificant. I recognized some changes in the order of certain scenes, probably to join all the separate episodes together into a single continuing piece.

2) The first part, as it was revealed earlier in the morning, covers the first 8 episodes; it ends with ‘I’m such a fool’ and that god damn Kyubey lecturing us about the meaning of mahout-shojo.

Scenes

1) Apparently, there are few scenes that have been cut out, like the one with Madoka in a cafe asking Homura if she could help Sayaka. The dialogue itself seems to be absorbed into the other scene on the school’s roof. The scene where Sayaka makes her contract is also made very brief, with no dialogue at all.

2) There are four transformation sequences; new ones each for Sayaka and Kyoko, TWO FOR MAMI. They are of course much better than the ones on the TV series. Sayaka’s transformation takes place underwater and clearly resembles that of the little mermaid, or maybe her fate. Kyoko performs a nice dance with her spear while transforming, if you know what I mean.

3) It shows Mami’s Soul Gem getting shattered into pieces when Charlotte does MOGUMOGU. The entire sequence -Mami vs Charlotte- has actually become a little bit more crual, although I can’t explain why and how. Maybe because the way Charlotte moves, or it could be something about that new soundtrack.

4) For those who are concerned about all those beautiful shaft necks; rejoice. You can enjoy those nice angles of 90 degrees on the huge cinema screen.

5) THAT INU-CURRY WORLD FILLING THE ENTIRE CINEMA SCREEN.

6) The very last part of the new ending animation features an unknown pink silhouette -most likely that of Godoka- with another silhouette that is somewhat smaller and floating inside its belly, or womb?

Music

1) This is where I'm giving the most credit. Kajiura has once again done a magnificent job. I just can’t imagine the Madoka universe anymore without her works.

2) There are a number of new soundtracks; including the other two of which I haven't even heard so far. There are three -so far as I’ve counted- newly rearranged Sis Puella Magica(the main theme), two for Conturbatio(the Sayaka theme); one of those is a vocal version and played during the Sayaka vs Elsa Maria. It sounds something like an aria -like one from opera-makes the scene even more tragic. It is so heart breaking.

3) Credens Justitiam also has got a vocal version, definitely by Kalafina. You can assume how much Shaft cares about Mami.

4) The Homura vs Charlotte battle has got a new soundtrack, as well as the scene where Sayaka turns into a witch ;_; If you prefer Decretum, you might be a bit disappointed, although the new soundtrack is just as amazing.

5) EVEN WITCHES HAVE GOT THEIR OWN THEME SOUNDTRACK. Both Charlotte and Television-chan. the Charlotte theme is pretty nice. You can hardly wait for the release of the new soundtrack. I think there is one for Elsa Maria as well, but not sure if it was just the vocal version of Conturbatio which I have just mentioned above.

6) The ending theme is the movie arrange of Magia, at the full length. The new ending animation is, put it simply, an extended version of the original TV one, featuring silhouettes of several unknown magical girls before those of the main characters appear in the way like they did in the original one.

Trivia

1) They're now studying in a cathedral. I'm not even joking.

2) Mitagihara City now looks more urbanized then even NYC. Must be renamed St.Madokaburg or something.

3) Mrs Kaname is just as bro as she is in the TV series.

4) The teacher is still struggling with fertility stuff. No peace for poor Nakazawa-kun.

5) For the first time, they say, Madoka appears in a plain clothe! Remember that previously in the TV serious she shows only three types of outfit; school uniform, magical girl’s dress, and pajama.

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Archive of the thread is here: http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72622214/

[[User:MochaCoffee|MochaCoffee]] 18:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

:Oh, my gosh, this sounds INCREDIBLE! This will definitely please everybody who is complaining about two "recap" movies being released. I can't wait to see screencaps! --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 01:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:4chan is going crazy with that pregnancy speculation, /u/ is going nuts, talking about Madoka and Homura's baby! --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 13:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Another madoka movie thread http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72986699/ --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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*[http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=30620855 someone saw and liked the movie] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
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*how was the second movie? Any good news? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:37, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://beatarai.blog90.fc2.com/blog-entry-2639.html Japanese fan comments about the movie] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

==Movie Thread /a/==
I am not keeping a track on these threads, but if anyone is willing to do so, try to see if they can be done in order.

*http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72622214/
*http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72986699/
*http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/73059493

== Luminous Lyrics ==

Found a romaji translation of the full lyrics. Not sure if its 100% accurate, but it seems legit after listening to Luminous while reading the lyrics.

:Tsutaeatta kokoro no ondo wo
:Sotto daiji sou ni kakae aruite ita

:Kotae no nai negai no naka de
:Kotoba wa mirai kaete

:Osanai koro zutto yume ni mite ita watashi ni wa mada
:Tooi kedo kimi ga ireba
:Sukoshi wa tsuyoku nareru ki ga shite
:Ashita no iro wo kasane nutta

:Yonda kibou tadotte tometa sekai wo koeta
:Akiramenai omoi itsu shika kokoro tsunageta
:Naite itatte waratte ashita mukae ni yukou
:Kimeta chikai tsurakute taorete mo
:Kimi no kokoro wo mamoru tame

:Kioku no nai toki no nagare ni
:Kitto motomete ita atatakasa wa atte

:Tsutsumareta shunkan subete no
:Omoi wa kimi he meguru

:Sora ni mukatte hashiri te ni shita
:Ikutsu mono toutoi hikari mune ni shimatte
:Watashi no naka no kagayaki ni kae
:Mayoi wo zenbu haratte tobou

:Seikai no mienai irikunda meiro wo nuke
:Kimi ga nagashita namida de kokoro mezameta
:Soshite shitta sekai wa konna ni mo mada kirei de
:Atarashii kanousei wo umu darou
:Toki no kakera no negai kara

:Sukui shinjite wareta omoi
:Watashi ga hajimari ni tatte
:Kimi no egao torimodosu yo
:Shinjitsu no kiseki ni natte

:Yonda kibou tadotte tometa sekai wo koeta
:Akiramenai omoi itsu shika kokoro tsunageta
:Naite itatte waratte ashita mukae ni yukou
:Kimeta chikai tsurakute taorete mo
:Kimi no kokoro wo mamoru tame
:Kimi no soba ni iyou

Source: http://beautifulsonglyrics.blogspot.com/2012/10/claris-luminous-lyrics.html#ixzz297dSwvLQ

EDIT: WELP, I seem to have found someone on tumblr who roughly translated the lyrics already in english. http://sparklyspacehugs.tumblr.com/post/33149041498/this-translation-is-a-work-in-progress-sup

--[[User:Riga92|Riga92]] 21:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

== Film Strips ==

Here are galleries of the film strips the Japanese fans have been posting. Looks like quite a number of scenes have been reanimated. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 17:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://imgur.com/a/U4qoU#0 Gallery #1]
*[http://imgur.com/a/X7XiZ#0 Gallery #2]
*[http://imgur.com/a/D9a9E#0 Gallery #3]
*[http://imgur.com/a/ScwZg#0 Gallery #4]
*[http://imgur.com/a/BORT4#0 Gallery #5]
*[http://imgur.com/a/2ZOzn#0 Gallery #6]

[http://himarin.net/archives/6675148.html another source of film strips] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

==Audio from End-of-The-Everlasting-Story Preview==
Translated by /a/:

"Witches— The most evil harbingers of despair. As well as the accursed final form of magical girls who have fallen into despair. Once before, I had repeated the same time again and again, to wage war against that cruel fate. And in the end, with a single girl as a sacrifice, the cruel cycle of hope and despair was broken. The world was guided towards a new truth. Or so it seemed…

Mami: "Don't even think of chasing me… or we'll have to fight."

Kyoko: "Isn't that Hitomi's nightmare's…"

Sayaka: "Hitomi must have it rough, huh. She tried to make that insensitive blockhead her boyfriend and all…"

QB: "I'm almost certain that that's the very ability of those witches you once told me about…"

Kyoko: "You really don't look like you're trying to make fun of me. You're serious, aren't you?"

Homura: "There's nothing but a cycle of sadness and hatred. I dream of the day that sorely missed smile comes back to this hopeless world."

Madoka: "Sorry for making you wait. You've always been giving it your all, haven't you?"

Homura: "…Madoka."

Madoka: "Let's go now. From now on, we'll be together forever."

:An alternate, more literal(?) and independently done translation, courtesy of ANN user Juno016. Includes physical descriptions of preview. [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
:*the preview starts with the camera panning across rubble with painted figures of each of the magical girls

:Homura (narration): Witches-- Those are the disaster "demons" (lit. "Magic users") who spread despair. And, the magical girls who have fallen into despair, and in the end, are reduced to a cursed form. The me living then, repeating the same time over and over, to fight against that cruel fate. And finally, a lone girl's sacrifice, therefore cutting the cruel chains of hope and despair, expectantly guiding the world to a new truth. ...or so it would seem...

:*actual clips from the third movie

:*Mami talking to someone off-screen with a cautious grin on her face

:Mami: "Don't think of following me..."

:*we see Mami and Kyouko in their magical girl forms in a parking lot(?), weapons ready

:Mami: "...or did you come to fight..."

:*Kyouko running through the street, talking into a cellphone

:Kyoko: "Shizuki Hitomi's nightmare...?" (ED. Note: the earlier translation seemed to indicate that Hitomi's so-called nightmare found a physical manifestation, but now I'm not so sure, considering there's no possessive marker. Then again, it must be important enough to mention in the preview.... [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC))

:*Sayaka in her school outfit(?), nervously grinning

:Sayaka: "Hitomi must be having trouble, huh. She made that insensitive guy her boyfriend and..."

:*Kyuubey's face

:Kyuubey: "Exactly. It's just like the value/ability of the witches you explained once, huh."

:*Kyouko, with her back turned to the screen

:Kyouko: "Calling me an 'idiot'... That's... not what you're doing, huh..."

:*she shaft-head-tilts toward the screen, with a serious look on her face

:Kyouko: "You're... serious, aren't you."

:*Kyuubey is shown with something reflecting in his eyes

:Homura (narration): "Nothing but sadness and hatred repeat. In this word that cannot be saved..."

:*closer inspection reveals the reflection to be Ultimate Madoka's silhouette in the starry sky

:Homura: "...the hope to chance upon that dear/missed smile once again..."

:*Ultimate Madoka's silhouette reflects in a shaft-head-tilting Sayaka's eyes as well, in space(?)

:Madoka: "Sorry to make you wait. Until now, you've continuously done your best, haven't you~"

:*Homura's face, surprised

:Homura: "...Madoka..."

:*the actual silhouette of Madoka, but she's on a rocky, moon/asteroid-like rock formation surface now, possibly in front of Homura

:Madoka: "Okay~ Let's go~"

:*coming 2013 screen

== Movie ending ==

Where has all of this new info about the movie ending being radically different from the anime series come from? I hope it's not all just from the audio preview for the third movie... --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 06:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:Mmmmmmyeah, I have a feeling this speculah has come from the audio. From what impressions I've read and skimmed, there are no changes to the ending's content-- for instance, I don't see anything being said about there being no Majuu (demons) or Sayaka not dying. I have a feeling that the third film might simply pick up sometime before that latter particular scene. [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 08:13, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
::It would really bother me if the reason Sayaka is back to life is because of ''Madoka Ex Machina'', it would really undermine the whole plot of the anime series as well as the cruel system that Urobuchi put in place. The reason Sayaka had to die (and insisted she needed to die) was to show that magical girls can still die, if he were to walk back from that by saying, "I decided to cheat and bring back Sayaka because of magic" would really be a cruel joke... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 11:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:::But there's nothing actually confirming that Sayaka has come back to life. Hearing her voice in the preview could mean anything: it could be a dream or a flashback, you name it. Like Animerican-Redeemed above, I haven't heard of any content changes, especially not something as drastic that would create wild speculations about a new universe. The reason I brought it up in the first place is because this information is already spread out on three pages (this one, 12th Episode, Yuri undertones). Frankly, even with it labelled as being highly speculative, until more people actually have access to the movies, I think the information is more confusing than anything. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 14:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

==Ticket Sales==
We need info on ticket sales in Japan as well as international viewing, is there a way to have this info and post it on the page? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:(Also how much money the movie made in Japan and overseas too. If possible have a column showing their foreign currency and next to it changed into dollars --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-09/1st-madoka-magica-film-opens-at-no.7-with-over-us$1-million 1st Madoka Magica Film Opens at #7 With Over US$1 Million]
*[http://www.mangahere.com/news/puella-magi-madoka-magica-movies-tickets-sold-out/ Puella Magi Madoka Magica Movies Presale Tickets Sold Out in a Cinema in SFO]
I tried looking for some info regarding ticket sales, not a lot to work on. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 15:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:Does anyone know where to find box office/ticket sales reliable data? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 15:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/10/15-1/otaku-legions-mobilize-for-second-madoka-magica-movie Movie #2 opening stats]. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 21:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-15/2nd-madoka-magica-film-ranks-no.2-with-us$2.18-million 2nd Madoka Magica Film Ranks #2 With US$2.18 Million] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

==New World Speculation==
The New World: Movie Version and Differences

<big>''(WARNING: THIS IS HIGHLY SPECULATIVE UNTIL RELEASE OF THE THIRD FILM)''</big>

There is speculation that the New World version of the movie is not the same from the anime series version. The New World concept of the movie version radically departs from the anime version that it alters the anime storyline. If the creators have made the story from the movie version a different story from that of the anime version, so we must consider both versions to be equally valid. If we consider the New World of the movie version and anime version to be canon then one acceptable explanation is that these two Worlds are from different universes. How these two Worlds are connected has not been explained. Since the universe from the anime series and the universe from the movie version share similarities but radical differences, they will both be treated as separate universes. The universe from the anime version will be indicated as '''Universe A''', and the universe from the movie version will be indicated as '''Universe M''', just as a matter of pragmatism.

*At first it seems like the cycle of suffering has been broken and that Witches have never existed in the New World of '''Universe M''', but this is proven to be false.
*Despair continues to haunt magical girls in the New World of '''Universe M'''.

*Sayaka is alive in '''Universe M'''. In '''Universe A''', Sayaka gave her life as a sacrifice and Ultimate Madoka accepted Sayaka's fate and wish. Not only does Madoka accept Sayaka's decision, but helps her to transition to what it is speculated to be the afterlife, so Sayaka's doesnt have any regrets from her choice. Why is Sayaka still alive in ''Universe M'' is not known. It is not clear yet if this is the result of Ultimate Madoka's interfering with Sayaka's fate or something else at work.
*Ultimate Madoka is able to show herself to Homura and perhaps interact with '''Universe M'''. In '''Universe A''', only Madoka's voice and presence could be felt by Homura.

:Perhaps Universe M is a prototype to Universe A, I mean, Madoka is a 4th grader, there is no way she would know how to completely tune the Universe from curse to hope in just one try. --[[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 20:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
::Alternatively, it could be that the Incubators began a counter attack that somehow jeopardized Madoka's Universe, I mean, there is a whole multiverse of timelines she has to watch over and if her wish works like a ripple effect then some time axis might be still undergoing transition. That also helps explaining the Online Game. --[[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 20:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
: In my opinion, I think someone may be overthinking this.--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:18, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
::My guess: Nothing from the anime ending is changed, there's no alternate universe, the scene with Homura holding the ribbons after Sayaka dies comes halfway through the third movie, Homura reacts that way because it's her first time seeing a girl actually get taken away by Madoka, QB reports Homura's reminiscing to the mothership and they research it, they find a new and creative way to exploit girls, QB tests it on Hitomi, it does not go as planned, out-of-control test subjects turn into witches, and QB will drop by Homura's apartment to casually mention that he wouldn't mind her help cleaning up, since the deaths of all humans on Earth would interfere with reaching his quota in a timely manner. [[User:KM|KM]] 21:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Look, I know that there's a disclaimer about it being highly speculative, but still, this statement-- "The New World concept of the movie version radically departs from the anime version that it alters the anime storyline"-- sounds much too assumptive, much too "definitive" a statement from one making mere speculation. Again, is there anything at *all* in the second movie itself, discounting the trailer that has Sayaka's voice in it, that indicates a New World different from the one seen in the series? I've yet to hear anything about there being altered plot developments in the second movie; it sounds like everything shown in the series ending-- the Majuu, Madoka's wish, Sayaka's death, etc.-- hasn't been taken out. And even if Sayaka was brought back to life, would that really imply a "radically different" universe? [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 00:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
::The way I see is this, if Sayaka is brought back from the death, it undermines the argument of the cycle of suffering and the system in place since magical girls can be brought back to life (unless there is an acceptable explanation). On the other hand, if the story was an "What If" scenario or a different universe where Sayaka didnt die it wont undermine the concept that magical girls die. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

:I saw the movie today and don't get what difference from the anime version. They look the same. After ED, however, there is some introduction about the 3rd movie, which is very different. Are you talking about that? --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 10:26, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

==Alternate Timelines?==
Someone help me out here. I remember reading something which said (either in the movie brochure or the Sport Hochi interview) that said the third movie will include timelines that we're cut out the anime. I can't find the source though, so I don't know how accurate this is. Has anyone read something like this, and if so, where? Thanks --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

==Trailer for Movie 3==
I went to one of the showings last night and recorded the movie 3 trailer for you guys. [http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xui1co_pmmm-m3t_shortfilms Enjoy.] --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 17:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
:Thank you so much! [[Special:Contributions/208.120.155.143|208.120.155.143]] 03:39, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
::You know that feeling of getting your conception of a happy ending kicked out of your groin? Well, I am kind of getting those vibes. --[[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 04:14, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
:::Urobuchi lied about a happy ending! --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
::::Another version [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8L2jpGe-yk&feature=player_embedded Click to see]-- 21:00, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::Somebody reuploaded mine somewhere else already? You move fast, fandom. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 13:03, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::Dang, taken down to copyright violation (both links!). Guess they're more or less enforcing the warnings that I hear were given in the Music Box Theater in Chicago (and presumably the other theaters): do any filming, or get kicked out. Sigh.... well, uh, ahy chance of uploading a link to a ''private'' video of it again? --[[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 16:39, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

==Yahoo auction==
*[http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/10/21-1/madoka-x-homura-madoka-magica-film-strip-auctioned-for-over-1-million-yen Madoka x Homura "Madoka Magica" Film Strip Auctioned for Over 1 Million Yen]
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-10-20/madoka-magica-film-strip-auctioned-for-us$8300+ Madoka Magica Film Strip Auctioned for US$8,300+]
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-10-21/madoka-magica-film-strip-auction-ends-at-us$13600 Madoka Magica Film Strip Auction Ends at US$13,600]
*[http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d133919334 yahoo auction]

Talk:Madoka Magica Movie

2012-10-23T16:38:00Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* Trailer for Movie 3 */

Huh. The subtitles for these films are, uh, unexciting. Are they going to go ahead with a "Story" motif for the third film's title? If so, maybe they'll go with something as pompous as "The Greatest Story Ever Told." (Of course, with no Swedish Jesus in sight ;-).) [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:21, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:I thought it was pretty nice that they name the first film "[[Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Beginning Story|The Beginning Story]]". --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 08:50, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

The movie is going to be a simultaneous release, any idea how long is the duration? Something tells me hardcore fans will try to watch both of them together on the same day--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:40, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

==link==
[[File:Madokagoodies comiket.jpg|right]]
*[http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-10953.html anyone knows what it says?]--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:27, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/interest/2012-08-03/madoka-magica-fate/zero-comiket-exclusives-revealed Madoka Magica, Fate/Zero's Comiket Exclusives Revealed]
*[https://wiki.puella-magi.net/File_talk:New_magical_girl_character_magazine_article_2012.jpg New character Hoax] Damn trolls --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

==Differences, Quality==
[http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/news/2012-08-25/madoka-magica-films-ad-streamed-with-theme-by-claris-duo Madoka Magica Films' Ad Aired With New Theme by ClariS]

''A 30-second commercial began airing for the first two Puella Magi Madoka Magica films on Saturday, and it features the new theme song "Luminous" by the teenaged female duo ClariS.'' (yep, new song) --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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the movie version quality will be different than the tv and blu-ray. are we going to add a new subsection for that? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

[http://youtu.be/Fem01BT51Eo Mezamashi TV just aired a feature this morning] with clips from the movies that features a fancied up transformation sequence for both Sayaka and Mami (as well as completely new material). [http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-12156.html Screens can be found here] in case the YT link gets taken down.--[[User:Ren|ren]] 23:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

==Movie Premiere==
[[File:Madoka Magica in the fucking Grand Rex.jpg|right|300px]]
Is anyone is going to go or can go? If so, would anyone like to take notes or pics so it can be contributed to the wikia? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:29, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
:I plan on going to the NYC one, so I'll try to take notes if I can. No guarantees on pictures. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 02:31, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

:I'm going to the San Francisco one and don't mind taking photos/notes. --[[User:Ren|ren]] 05:34, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
::Back from the San Francisco show. I got some shots of the crowd and have some notes from memory ready to type out, but it'll take a while... all I'll say for now is watching with a non-JP audience might have ruined the experience a bit.--[[User:Ren|ren]] 10:26, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

:I'm heading to the LA one on a Saturday. I can't believe it's almost upon me already. I'll be sure to acquire someone's camera so I can snap some photos as keepsake, and I'll try to purchase everything. M-maybe I can purchase multiples of some things and give them away as gifts to #madoka. [[User:Holycrap|Holycrap]] 08:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

*[https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=433609743340911&set=a.197162296985658.38734.196941927007695&type=1&relevant_count=1 Madoka Magica Premiere at San Francisco & L.A. meetup facebook]
*[https://twitter.com/aniplexUSA/status/250373658902675456 Attn Houston Fans: Tickets are now on Sale for the Madoka Screening at the Alamo Drafthouse.] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

==Movie Premiere in Japan==
Has the movie premiered yet in Japan? (I get a bit confused by the time difference) If so, is there any news out? --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 16:02, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

It already premiered about a day ago or so. Some kind Japanese Anon already offered a write up of the most notable things. Here it is:

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Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Beginning Story

I watched this yesterday and want to write down my observation and thoughts, just for your curiosity. Excuse me for my poor English though, it’s not my mother tongue.

Also, SPOILER WARNING

First of all;

1) They said it was going to be a recap. I say, SHINBO THE MASTER TROLLER. Every scenes have got certain changes-more or less-and, as far as I remember, all nearly all of the highlights scenes have been REDRAWN. It’s not merely a recap; I would call it a complete overhaul.

2) Those changes are so significant that, even though I had recently watched Madoka all over again-for my fourth time-on Niconico last week, it just felt like a completely new anime. If you haven’t watched Madoka for a while, I guarantee, it will be just as fresh as it was in 2011.

Story

1) There are not many changes or differences and most of them seem to be insignificant. I recognized some changes in the order of certain scenes, probably to join all the separate episodes together into a single continuing piece.

2) The first part, as it was revealed earlier in the morning, covers the first 8 episodes; it ends with ‘I’m such a fool’ and that god damn Kyubey lecturing us about the meaning of mahout-shojo.

Scenes

1) Apparently, there are few scenes that have been cut out, like the one with Madoka in a cafe asking Homura if she could help Sayaka. The dialogue itself seems to be absorbed into the other scene on the school’s roof. The scene where Sayaka makes her contract is also made very brief, with no dialogue at all.

2) There are four transformation sequences; new ones each for Sayaka and Kyoko, TWO FOR MAMI. They are of course much better than the ones on the TV series. Sayaka’s transformation takes place underwater and clearly resembles that of the little mermaid, or maybe her fate. Kyoko performs a nice dance with her spear while transforming, if you know what I mean.

3) It shows Mami’s Soul Gem getting shattered into pieces when Charlotte does MOGUMOGU. The entire sequence -Mami vs Charlotte- has actually become a little bit more crual, although I can’t explain why and how. Maybe because the way Charlotte moves, or it could be something about that new soundtrack.

4) For those who are concerned about all those beautiful shaft necks; rejoice. You can enjoy those nice angles of 90 degrees on the huge cinema screen.

5) THAT INU-CURRY WORLD FILLING THE ENTIRE CINEMA SCREEN.

6) The very last part of the new ending animation features an unknown pink silhouette -most likely that of Godoka- with another silhouette that is somewhat smaller and floating inside its belly, or womb?

Music

1) This is where I'm giving the most credit. Kajiura has once again done a magnificent job. I just can’t imagine the Madoka universe anymore without her works.

2) There are a number of new soundtracks; including the other two of which I haven't even heard so far. There are three -so far as I’ve counted- newly rearranged Sis Puella Magica(the main theme), two for Conturbatio(the Sayaka theme); one of those is a vocal version and played during the Sayaka vs Elsa Maria. It sounds something like an aria -like one from opera-makes the scene even more tragic. It is so heart breaking.

3) Credens Justitiam also has got a vocal version, definitely by Kalafina. You can assume how much Shaft cares about Mami.

4) The Homura vs Charlotte battle has got a new soundtrack, as well as the scene where Sayaka turns into a witch ;_; If you prefer Decretum, you might be a bit disappointed, although the new soundtrack is just as amazing.

5) EVEN WITCHES HAVE GOT THEIR OWN THEME SOUNDTRACK. Both Charlotte and Television-chan. the Charlotte theme is pretty nice. You can hardly wait for the release of the new soundtrack. I think there is one for Elsa Maria as well, but not sure if it was just the vocal version of Conturbatio which I have just mentioned above.

6) The ending theme is the movie arrange of Magia, at the full length. The new ending animation is, put it simply, an extended version of the original TV one, featuring silhouettes of several unknown magical girls before those of the main characters appear in the way like they did in the original one.

Trivia

1) They're now studying in a cathedral. I'm not even joking.

2) Mitagihara City now looks more urbanized then even NYC. Must be renamed St.Madokaburg or something.

3) Mrs Kaname is just as bro as she is in the TV series.

4) The teacher is still struggling with fertility stuff. No peace for poor Nakazawa-kun.

5) For the first time, they say, Madoka appears in a plain clothe! Remember that previously in the TV serious she shows only three types of outfit; school uniform, magical girl’s dress, and pajama.

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Archive of the thread is here: http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72622214/

[[User:MochaCoffee|MochaCoffee]] 18:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

:Oh, my gosh, this sounds INCREDIBLE! This will definitely please everybody who is complaining about two "recap" movies being released. I can't wait to see screencaps! --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 01:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:4chan is going crazy with that pregnancy speculation, /u/ is going nuts, talking about Madoka and Homura's baby! --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 13:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Another madoka movie thread http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72986699/ --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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*[http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=30620855 someone saw and liked the movie] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
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*how was the second movie? Any good news? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:37, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://beatarai.blog90.fc2.com/blog-entry-2639.html Japanese fan comments about the movie] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

==Movie Thread /a/==
I am not keeping a track on these threads, but if anyone is willing to do so, try to see if they can be done in order.

*http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72622214/
*http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72986699/
*http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/73059493

== Luminous Lyrics ==

Found a romaji translation of the full lyrics. Not sure if its 100% accurate, but it seems legit after listening to Luminous while reading the lyrics.

:Tsutaeatta kokoro no ondo wo
:Sotto daiji sou ni kakae aruite ita

:Kotae no nai negai no naka de
:Kotoba wa mirai kaete

:Osanai koro zutto yume ni mite ita watashi ni wa mada
:Tooi kedo kimi ga ireba
:Sukoshi wa tsuyoku nareru ki ga shite
:Ashita no iro wo kasane nutta

:Yonda kibou tadotte tometa sekai wo koeta
:Akiramenai omoi itsu shika kokoro tsunageta
:Naite itatte waratte ashita mukae ni yukou
:Kimeta chikai tsurakute taorete mo
:Kimi no kokoro wo mamoru tame

:Kioku no nai toki no nagare ni
:Kitto motomete ita atatakasa wa atte

:Tsutsumareta shunkan subete no
:Omoi wa kimi he meguru

:Sora ni mukatte hashiri te ni shita
:Ikutsu mono toutoi hikari mune ni shimatte
:Watashi no naka no kagayaki ni kae
:Mayoi wo zenbu haratte tobou

:Seikai no mienai irikunda meiro wo nuke
:Kimi ga nagashita namida de kokoro mezameta
:Soshite shitta sekai wa konna ni mo mada kirei de
:Atarashii kanousei wo umu darou
:Toki no kakera no negai kara

:Sukui shinjite wareta omoi
:Watashi ga hajimari ni tatte
:Kimi no egao torimodosu yo
:Shinjitsu no kiseki ni natte

:Yonda kibou tadotte tometa sekai wo koeta
:Akiramenai omoi itsu shika kokoro tsunageta
:Naite itatte waratte ashita mukae ni yukou
:Kimeta chikai tsurakute taorete mo
:Kimi no kokoro wo mamoru tame
:Kimi no soba ni iyou

Source: http://beautifulsonglyrics.blogspot.com/2012/10/claris-luminous-lyrics.html#ixzz297dSwvLQ

EDIT: WELP, I seem to have found someone on tumblr who roughly translated the lyrics already in english. http://sparklyspacehugs.tumblr.com/post/33149041498/this-translation-is-a-work-in-progress-sup

--[[User:Riga92|Riga92]] 21:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

== Film Strips ==

Here are galleries of the film strips the Japanese fans have been posting. Looks like quite a number of scenes have been reanimated. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 17:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://imgur.com/a/U4qoU#0 Gallery #1]
*[http://imgur.com/a/X7XiZ#0 Gallery #2]
*[http://imgur.com/a/D9a9E#0 Gallery #3]
*[http://imgur.com/a/ScwZg#0 Gallery #4]
*[http://imgur.com/a/BORT4#0 Gallery #5]
*[http://imgur.com/a/2ZOzn#0 Gallery #6]

[http://himarin.net/archives/6675148.html another source of film strips] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

==Audio from End-of-The-Everlasting-Story Preview==
Translated by /a/:

"Witches— The most evil harbingers of despair. As well as the accursed final form of magical girls who have fallen into despair. Once before, I had repeated the same time again and again, to wage war against that cruel fate. And in the end, with a single girl as a sacrifice, the cruel cycle of hope and despair was broken. The world was guided towards a new truth. Or so it seemed…

Mami: "Don't even think of chasing me… or we'll have to fight."

Kyoko: "Isn't that Hitomi's nightmare's…"

Sayaka: "Hitomi must have it rough, huh. She tried to make that insensitive blockhead her boyfriend and all…"

QB: "I'm almost certain that that's the very ability of those witches you once told me about…"

Kyoko: "You really don't look like you're trying to make fun of me. You're serious, aren't you?"

Homura: "There's nothing but a cycle of sadness and hatred. I dream of the day that sorely missed smile comes back to this hopeless world."

Madoka: "Sorry for making you wait. You've always been giving it your all, haven't you?"

Homura: "…Madoka."

Madoka: "Let's go now. From now on, we'll be together forever."

:An alternate, more literal(?) and independently done translation, courtesy of ANN user Juno016. Includes physical descriptions of preview. [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
:*the preview starts with the camera panning across rubble with painted figures of each of the magical girls

:Homura (narration): Witches-- Those are the disaster "demons" (lit. "Magic users") who spread despair. And, the magical girls who have fallen into despair, and in the end, are reduced to a cursed form. The me living then, repeating the same time over and over, to fight against that cruel fate. And finally, a lone girl's sacrifice, therefore cutting the cruel chains of hope and despair, expectantly guiding the world to a new truth. ...or so it would seem...

:*actual clips from the third movie

:*Mami talking to someone off-screen with a cautious grin on her face

:Mami: "Don't think of following me..."

:*we see Mami and Kyouko in their magical girl forms in a parking lot(?), weapons ready

:Mami: "...or did you come to fight..."

:*Kyouko running through the street, talking into a cellphone

:Kyoko: "Shizuki Hitomi's nightmare...?" (ED. Note: the earlier translation seemed to indicate that Hitomi's so-called nightmare found a physical manifestation, but now I'm not so sure, considering there's no possessive marker. Then again, it must be important enough to mention in the preview.... [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC))

:*Sayaka in her school outfit(?), nervously grinning

:Sayaka: "Hitomi must be having trouble, huh. She made that insensitive guy her boyfriend and..."

:*Kyuubey's face

:Kyuubey: "Exactly. It's just like the value/ability of the witches you explained once, huh."

:*Kyouko, with her back turned to the screen

:Kyouko: "Calling me an 'idiot'... That's... not what you're doing, huh..."

:*she shaft-head-tilts toward the screen, with a serious look on her face

:Kyouko: "You're... serious, aren't you."

:*Kyuubey is shown with something reflecting in his eyes

:Homura (narration): "Nothing but sadness and hatred repeat. In this word that cannot be saved..."

:*closer inspection reveals the reflection to be Ultimate Madoka's silhouette in the starry sky

:Homura: "...the hope to chance upon that dear/missed smile once again..."

:*Ultimate Madoka's silhouette reflects in a shaft-head-tilting Sayaka's eyes as well, in space(?)

:Madoka: "Sorry to make you wait. Until now, you've continuously done your best, haven't you~"

:*Homura's face, surprised

:Homura: "...Madoka..."

:*the actual silhouette of Madoka, but she's on a rocky, moon/asteroid-like rock formation surface now, possibly in front of Homura

:Madoka: "Okay~ Let's go~"

:*coming 2013 screen

== Movie ending ==

Where has all of this new info about the movie ending being radically different from the anime series come from? I hope it's not all just from the audio preview for the third movie... --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 06:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:Mmmmmmyeah, I have a feeling this speculah has come from the audio. From what impressions I've read and skimmed, there are no changes to the ending's content-- for instance, I don't see anything being said about there being no Majuu (demons) or Sayaka not dying. I have a feeling that the third film might simply pick up sometime before that latter particular scene. [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 08:13, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
::It would really bother me if the reason Sayaka is back to life is because of ''Madoka Ex Machina'', it would really undermine the whole plot of the anime series as well as the cruel system that Urobuchi put in place. The reason Sayaka had to die (and insisted she needed to die) was to show that magical girls can still die, if he were to walk back from that by saying, "I decided to cheat and bring back Sayaka because of magic" would really be a cruel joke... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 11:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:::But there's nothing actually confirming that Sayaka has come back to life. Hearing her voice in the preview could mean anything: it could be a dream or a flashback, you name it. Like Animerican-Redeemed above, I haven't heard of any content changes, especially not something as drastic that would create wild speculations about a new universe. The reason I brought it up in the first place is because this information is already spread out on three pages (this one, 12th Episode, Yuri undertones). Frankly, even with it labelled as being highly speculative, until more people actually have access to the movies, I think the information is more confusing than anything. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 14:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

==Ticket Sales==
We need info on ticket sales in Japan as well as international viewing, is there a way to have this info and post it on the page? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:(Also how much money the movie made in Japan and overseas too. If possible have a column showing their foreign currency and next to it changed into dollars --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-09/1st-madoka-magica-film-opens-at-no.7-with-over-us$1-million 1st Madoka Magica Film Opens at #7 With Over US$1 Million]
*[http://www.mangahere.com/news/puella-magi-madoka-magica-movies-tickets-sold-out/ Puella Magi Madoka Magica Movies Presale Tickets Sold Out in a Cinema in SFO]
I tried looking for some info regarding ticket sales, not a lot to work on. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 15:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:Does anyone know where to find box office/ticket sales reliable data? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 15:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/10/15-1/otaku-legions-mobilize-for-second-madoka-magica-movie Movie #2 opening stats]. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 21:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-15/2nd-madoka-magica-film-ranks-no.2-with-us$2.18-million 2nd Madoka Magica Film Ranks #2 With US$2.18 Million] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

==New World Speculation==
The New World: Movie Version and Differences

<big>''(WARNING: THIS IS HIGHLY SPECULATIVE UNTIL RELEASE OF THE THIRD FILM)''</big>

There is speculation that the New World version of the movie is not the same from the anime series version. The New World concept of the movie version radically departs from the anime version that it alters the anime storyline. If the creators have made the story from the movie version a different story from that of the anime version, so we must consider both versions to be equally valid. If we consider the New World of the movie version and anime version to be canon then one acceptable explanation is that these two Worlds are from different universes. How these two Worlds are connected has not been explained. Since the universe from the anime series and the universe from the movie version share similarities but radical differences, they will both be treated as separate universes. The universe from the anime version will be indicated as '''Universe A''', and the universe from the movie version will be indicated as '''Universe M''', just as a matter of pragmatism.

*At first it seems like the cycle of suffering has been broken and that Witches have never existed in the New World of '''Universe M''', but this is proven to be false.
*Despair continues to haunt magical girls in the New World of '''Universe M'''.

*Sayaka is alive in '''Universe M'''. In '''Universe A''', Sayaka gave her life as a sacrifice and Ultimate Madoka accepted Sayaka's fate and wish. Not only does Madoka accept Sayaka's decision, but helps her to transition to what it is speculated to be the afterlife, so Sayaka's doesnt have any regrets from her choice. Why is Sayaka still alive in ''Universe M'' is not known. It is not clear yet if this is the result of Ultimate Madoka's interfering with Sayaka's fate or something else at work.
*Ultimate Madoka is able to show herself to Homura and perhaps interact with '''Universe M'''. In '''Universe A''', only Madoka's voice and presence could be felt by Homura.

:Perhaps Universe M is a prototype to Universe A, I mean, Madoka is a 4th grader, there is no way she would know how to completely tune the Universe from curse to hope in just one try. --[[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 20:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
::Alternatively, it could be that the Incubators began a counter attack that somehow jeopardized Madoka's Universe, I mean, there is a whole multiverse of timelines she has to watch over and if her wish works like a ripple effect then some time axis might be still undergoing transition. That also helps explaining the Online Game. --[[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 20:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
: In my opinion, I think someone may be overthinking this.--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:18, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
::My guess: Nothing from the anime ending is changed, there's no alternate universe, the scene with Homura holding the ribbons after Sayaka dies comes halfway through the third movie, Homura reacts that way because it's her first time seeing a girl actually get taken away by Madoka, QB reports Homura's reminiscing to the mothership and they research it, they find a new and creative way to exploit girls, QB tests it on Hitomi, it does not go as planned, out-of-control test subjects turn into witches, and QB will drop by Homura's apartment to casually mention that he wouldn't mind her help cleaning up, since the deaths of all humans on Earth would interfere with reaching his quota in a timely manner. [[User:KM|KM]] 21:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Look, I know that there's a disclaimer about it being highly speculative, but still, this statement-- "The New World concept of the movie version radically departs from the anime version that it alters the anime storyline"-- sounds much too assumptive, much too "definitive" a statement from one making mere speculation. Again, is there anything at *all* in the second movie itself, discounting the trailer that has Sayaka's voice in it, that indicates a New World different from the one seen in the series? I've yet to hear anything about there being altered plot developments in the second movie; it sounds like everything shown in the series ending-- the Majuu, Madoka's wish, Sayaka's death, etc.-- hasn't been taken out. And even if Sayaka was brought back to life, would that really imply a "radically different" universe? [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 00:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
::The way I see is this, if Sayaka is brought back from the death, it undermines the argument of the cycle of suffering and the system in place since magical girls can be brought back to life (unless there is an acceptable explanation). On the other hand, if the story was an "What If" scenario or a different universe where Sayaka didnt die it wont undermine the concept that magical girls die. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

:I saw the movie today and don't get what difference from the anime version. They look the same. After ED, however, there is some introduction about the 3rd movie, which is very different. Are you talking about that? --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 10:26, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

==Alternate Timelines?==
Someone help me out here. I remember reading something which said (either in the movie brochure or the Sport Hochi interview) that said the third movie will include timelines that we're cut out the anime. I can't find the source though, so I don't know how accurate this is. Has anyone read something like this, and if so, where? Thanks --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:59, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

==Trailer for Movie 3==
I went to one of the showings last night and recorded the movie 3 trailer for you guys. [http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xui1co_pmmm-m3t_shortfilms Enjoy.] --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 17:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
:Thank you so much! [[Special:Contributions/208.120.155.143|208.120.155.143]] 03:39, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
::You know that feeling of getting your conception of a happy ending kicked out of your groin? Well, I am kind of getting those vibes. --[[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 04:14, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
:::Urobuchi lied about a happy ending! --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
::::Another version [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8L2jpGe-yk&feature=player_embedded Click to see]-- 21:00, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
:::::Somebody reuploaded mine somewhere else already? You move fast, fandom. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 13:03, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
::::::Dang, taken down to copyright violation (both links!). Guess they're more or less enforcing the warnings that I hear were given in the Muisc Box Theater in Chicago: do any filming, or get kicked out. Sigh.... well, uh, ahy chance of uploading a link to a ''private'' video of it again?

==Yahoo auction==
*[http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/10/21-1/madoka-x-homura-madoka-magica-film-strip-auctioned-for-over-1-million-yen Madoka x Homura "Madoka Magica" Film Strip Auctioned for Over 1 Million Yen]
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-10-20/madoka-magica-film-strip-auctioned-for-us$8300+ Madoka Magica Film Strip Auctioned for US$8,300+]
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-10-21/madoka-magica-film-strip-auction-ends-at-us$13600 Madoka Magica Film Strip Auction Ends at US$13,600]
*[http://page4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/d133919334 yahoo auction]

Talk:Madoka Magica Movie

2012-10-16T00:21:39Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

Huh. The subtitles for these films are, uh, unexciting. Are they going to go ahead with a "Story" motif for the third film's title? If so, maybe they'll go with something as pompous as "The Greatest Story Ever Told." (Of course, with no Swedish Jesus in sight ;-).) [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:21, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
:I thought it was pretty nice that they name the first film "[[Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Beginning Story|The Beginning Story]]". --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 08:50, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

The movie is going to be a simultaneous release, any idea how long is the duration? Something tells me hardcore fans will try to watch both of them together on the same day--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:40, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

==link==
[[File:Madokagoodies comiket.jpg|right]]
*[http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-10953.html anyone knows what it says?]--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:27, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/interest/2012-08-03/madoka-magica-fate/zero-comiket-exclusives-revealed Madoka Magica, Fate/Zero's Comiket Exclusives Revealed]
*[https://wiki.puella-magi.net/File_talk:New_magical_girl_character_magazine_article_2012.jpg New character Hoax] Damn trolls --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

==Differences, Quality==
[http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/news/2012-08-25/madoka-magica-films-ad-streamed-with-theme-by-claris-duo Madoka Magica Films' Ad Aired With New Theme by ClariS]

''A 30-second commercial began airing for the first two Puella Magi Madoka Magica films on Saturday, and it features the new theme song "Luminous" by the teenaged female duo ClariS.'' (yep, new song) --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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the movie version quality will be different than the tv and blu-ray. are we going to add a new subsection for that? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

[http://youtu.be/Fem01BT51Eo Mezamashi TV just aired a feature this morning] with clips from the movies that features a fancied up transformation sequence for both Sayaka and Mami (as well as completely new material). [http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-12156.html Screens can be found here] in case the YT link gets taken down.--[[User:Ren|ren]] 23:53, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

==Movie Premiere==
[[File:Madoka Magica in the fucking Grand Rex.jpg|right|300px]]
Is anyone is going to go or can go? If so, would anyone like to take notes or pics so it can be contributed to the wikia? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:29, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
:I plan on going to the NYC one, so I'll try to take notes if I can. No guarantees on pictures. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 02:31, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
:I'm going to the San Francisco one and don't mind taking photos/notes. --[[User:Ren|ren]] 05:34, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
*[https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=433609743340911&set=a.197162296985658.38734.196941927007695&type=1&relevant_count=1 Madoka Magica Premiere at San Francisco & L.A. meetup facebook]
*[https://twitter.com/aniplexUSA/status/250373658902675456 Attn Houston Fans: Tickets are now on Sale for the Madoka Screening at the Alamo Drafthouse.] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

==Movie Premiere in Japan==
Has the movie premiered yet in Japan? (I get a bit confused by the time difference) If so, is there any news out? --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 16:02, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

It already premiered about a day ago or so. Some kind Japanese Anon already offered a write up of the most notable things. Here it is:

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Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Beginning Story

I watched this yesterday and want to write down my observation and thoughts, just for your curiosity. Excuse me for my poor English though, it’s not my mother tongue.

Also, SPOILER WARNING

First of all;

1) They said it was going to be a recap. I say, SHINBO THE MASTER TROLLER. Every scenes have got certain changes-more or less-and, as far as I remember, all nearly all of the highlights scenes have been REDRAWN. It’s not merely a recap; I would call it a complete overhaul.

2) Those changes are so significant that, even though I had recently watched Madoka all over again-for my fourth time-on Niconico last week, it just felt like a completely new anime. If you haven’t watched Madoka for a while, I guarantee, it will be just as fresh as it was in 2011.

Story

1) There are not many changes or differences and most of them seem to be insignificant. I recognized some changes in the order of certain scenes, probably to join all the separate episodes together into a single continuing piece.

2) The first part, as it was revealed earlier in the morning, covers the first 8 episodes; it ends with ‘I’m such a fool’ and that god damn Kyubey lecturing us about the meaning of mahout-shojo.

Scenes

1) Apparently, there are few scenes that have been cut out, like the one with Madoka in a cafe asking Homura if she could help Sayaka. The dialogue itself seems to be absorbed into the other scene on the school’s roof. The scene where Sayaka makes her contract is also made very brief, with no dialogue at all.

2) There are four transformation sequences; new ones each for Sayaka and Kyoko, TWO FOR MAMI. They are of course much better than the ones on the TV series. Sayaka’s transformation takes place underwater and clearly resembles that of the little mermaid, or maybe her fate. Kyoko performs a nice dance with her spear while transforming, if you know what I mean.

3) It shows Mami’s Soul Gem getting shattered into pieces when Charlotte does MOGUMOGU. The entire sequence -Mami vs Charlotte- has actually become a little bit more crual, although I can’t explain why and how. Maybe because the way Charlotte moves, or it could be something about that new soundtrack.

4) For those who are concerned about all those beautiful shaft necks; rejoice. You can enjoy those nice angles of 90 degrees on the huge cinema screen.

5) THAT INU-CURRY WORLD FILLING THE ENTIRE CINEMA SCREEN.

6) The very last part of the new ending animation features an unknown pink silhouette -most likely that of Godoka- with another silhouette that is somewhat smaller and floating inside its belly, or womb?

Music

1) This is where I'm giving the most credit. Kajiura has once again done a magnificent job. I just can’t imagine the Madoka universe anymore without her works.

2) There are a number of new soundtracks; including the other two of which I haven't even heard so far. There are three -so far as I’ve counted- newly rearranged Sis Puella Magica(the main theme), two for Conturbatio(the Sayaka theme); one of those is a vocal version and played during the Sayaka vs Elsa Maria. It sounds something like an aria -like one from opera-makes the scene even more tragic. It is so heart breaking.

3) Credens Justitiam also has got a vocal version, definitely by Kalafina. You can assume how much Shaft cares about Mami.

4) The Homura vs Charlotte battle has got a new soundtrack, as well as the scene where Sayaka turns into a witch ;_; If you prefer Decretum, you might be a bit disappointed, although the new soundtrack is just as amazing.

5) EVEN WITCHES HAVE GOT THEIR OWN THEME SOUNDTRACK. Both Charlotte and Television-chan. the Charlotte theme is pretty nice. You can hardly wait for the release of the new soundtrack. I think there is one for Elsa Maria as well, but not sure if it was just the vocal version of Conturbatio which I have just mentioned above.

6) The ending theme is the movie arrange of Magia, at the full length. The new ending animation is, put it simply, an extended version of the original TV one, featuring silhouettes of several unknown magical girls before those of the main characters appear in the way like they did in the original one.

Trivia

1) They're now studying in a cathedral. I'm not even joking.

2) Mitagihara City now looks more urbanized then even NYC. Must be renamed St.Madokaburg or something.

3) Mrs Kaname is just as bro as she is in the TV series.

4) The teacher is still struggling with fertility stuff. No peace for poor Nakazawa-kun.

5) For the first time, they say, Madoka appears in a plain clothe! Remember that previously in the TV serious she shows only three types of outfit; school uniform, magical girl’s dress, and pajama.

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Archive of the thread is here: http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72622214/

[[User:MochaCoffee|MochaCoffee]] 18:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

:Oh, my gosh, this sounds INCREDIBLE! This will definitely please everybody who is complaining about two "recap" movies being released. I can't wait to see screencaps! --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 01:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
:4chan is going crazy with that pregnancy speculation, /u/ is going nuts, talking about Madoka and Homura's baby! --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 13:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Another madoka movie thread http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72986699/ --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:27, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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*[http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=30620855 someone saw and liked the movie] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
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*how was the second movie? Any good news? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:37, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://beatarai.blog90.fc2.com/blog-entry-2639.html Japanese fan comments about the movie] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

==Movie Thread /a/==
I am not keeping a track on these threads, but if anyone is willing to do so, try to see if they can be done in order.

*http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72622214/
*http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/72986699/
*http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/73059493

== Luminous Lyrics ==

Found a romaji translation of the full lyrics. Not sure if its 100% accurate, but it seems legit after listening to Luminous while reading the lyrics.

:Tsutaeatta kokoro no ondo wo
:Sotto daiji sou ni kakae aruite ita

:Kotae no nai negai no naka de
:Kotoba wa mirai kaete

:Osanai koro zutto yume ni mite ita watashi ni wa mada
:Tooi kedo kimi ga ireba
:Sukoshi wa tsuyoku nareru ki ga shite
:Ashita no iro wo kasane nutta

:Yonda kibou tadotte tometa sekai wo koeta
:Akiramenai omoi itsu shika kokoro tsunageta
:Naite itatte waratte ashita mukae ni yukou
:Kimeta chikai tsurakute taorete mo
:Kimi no kokoro wo mamoru tame

:Kioku no nai toki no nagare ni
:Kitto motomete ita atatakasa wa atte

:Tsutsumareta shunkan subete no
:Omoi wa kimi he meguru

:Sora ni mukatte hashiri te ni shita
:Ikutsu mono toutoi hikari mune ni shimatte
:Watashi no naka no kagayaki ni kae
:Mayoi wo zenbu haratte tobou

:Seikai no mienai irikunda meiro wo nuke
:Kimi ga nagashita namida de kokoro mezameta
:Soshite shitta sekai wa konna ni mo mada kirei de
:Atarashii kanousei wo umu darou
:Toki no kakera no negai kara

:Sukui shinjite wareta omoi
:Watashi ga hajimari ni tatte
:Kimi no egao torimodosu yo
:Shinjitsu no kiseki ni natte

:Yonda kibou tadotte tometa sekai wo koeta
:Akiramenai omoi itsu shika kokoro tsunageta
:Naite itatte waratte ashita mukae ni yukou
:Kimeta chikai tsurakute taorete mo
:Kimi no kokoro wo mamoru tame
:Kimi no soba ni iyou

Source: http://beautifulsonglyrics.blogspot.com/2012/10/claris-luminous-lyrics.html#ixzz297dSwvLQ

EDIT: WELP, I seem to have found someone on tumblr who roughly translated the lyrics already in english. http://sparklyspacehugs.tumblr.com/post/33149041498/this-translation-is-a-work-in-progress-sup

--[[User:Riga92|Riga92]] 21:23, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

== Film Strips ==

Here are galleries of the film strips the Japanese fans have been posting. Looks like quite a number of scenes have been reanimated. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 17:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://imgur.com/a/U4qoU#0 Gallery #1]
*[http://imgur.com/a/X7XiZ#0 Gallery #2]
*[http://imgur.com/a/D9a9E#0 Gallery #3]
*[http://imgur.com/a/ScwZg#0 Gallery #4]
*[http://imgur.com/a/BORT4#0 Gallery #5]
*[http://imgur.com/a/2ZOzn#0 Gallery #6]

[http://himarin.net/archives/6675148.html another source of film strips] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:26, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

==Audio from End-of-The-Everlasting-Story Preview==
Translated by /a/:

"Witches— The most evil harbingers of despair. As well as the accursed final form of magical girls who have fallen into despair. Once before, I had repeated the same time again and again, to wage war against that cruel fate. And in the end, with a single girl as a sacrifice, the cruel cycle of hope and despair was broken. The world was guided towards a new truth. Or so it seemed…

Mami: "Don't even think of chasing me… or we'll have to fight."

Kyoko: "Isn't that Hitomi's nightmare's…"

Sayaka: "Hitomi must have it rough, huh. She tried to make that insensitive blockhead her boyfriend and all…"

QB: "I'm almost certain that that's the very ability of those witches you once told me about…"

Kyoko: "You really don't look like you're trying to make fun of me. You're serious, aren't you?"

Homura: "There's nothing but a cycle of sadness and hatred. I dream of the day that sorely missed smile comes back to this hopeless world."

Madoka: "Sorry for making you wait. You've always been giving it your all, haven't you?"

Homura: "…Madoka."

Madoka: "Let's go now. From now on, we'll be together forever."

:An alternate, more literal(?) and independently done translation, courtesy of ANN user Juno016. Includes physical descriptions of preview. [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
:*the preview starts with the camera panning across rubble with painted figures of each of the magical girls

:Homura (narration): Witches-- Those are the disaster "demons" (lit. "Magic users") who spread despair. And, the magical girls who have fallen into despair, and in the end, are reduced to a cursed form. The me living then, repeating the same time over and over, to fight against that cruel fate. And finally, a lone girl's sacrifice, therefore cutting the cruel chains of hope and despair, expectantly guiding the world to a new truth. ...or so it would seem...

:*actual clips from the third movie

:*Mami talking to someone off-screen with a cautious grin on her face

:Mami: "Don't think of following me..."

:*we see Mami and Kyouko in their magical girl forms in a parking lot(?), weapons ready

:Mami: "...or did you come to fight..."

:*Kyouko running through the street, talking into a cellphone

:Kyoko: "Shizuki Hitomi's nightmare...?" (ED. Note: the earlier translation seemed to indicate that Hitomi's so-called nightmare found a physical manifestation, but now I'm not so sure, considering there's no possessive marker. Then again, it must be important enough to mention in the preview.... [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC))

:*Sayaka in her school outfit(?), nervously grinning

:Sayaka: "Hitomi must be having trouble, huh. She made that insensitive guy her boyfriend and..."

:*Kyuubey's face

:Kyuubey: "Exactly. It's just like the value/ability of the witches you explained once, huh."

:*Kyouko, with her back turned to the screen

:Kyouko: "Calling me an 'idiot'... That's... not what you're doing, huh..."

:*she shaft-head-tilts toward the screen, with a serious look on her face

:Kyouko: "You're... serious, aren't you."

:*Kyuubey is shown with something reflecting in his eyes

:Homura (narration): "Nothing but sadness and hatred repeat. In this word that cannot be saved..."

:*closer inspection reveals the reflection to be Ultimate Madoka's silhouette in the starry sky

:Homura: "...the hope to chance upon that dear/missed smile once again..."

:*Ultimate Madoka's silhouette reflects in a shaft-head-tilting Sayaka's eyes as well, in space(?)

:Madoka: "Sorry to make you wait. Until now, you've continuously done your best, haven't you~"

:*Homura's face, surprised

:Homura: "...Madoka..."

:*the actual silhouette of Madoka, but she's on a rocky, moon/asteroid-like rock formation surface now, possibly in front of Homura

:Madoka: "Okay~ Let's go~"

:*coming 2013 screen

== Movie ending ==

Where has all of this new info about the movie ending being radically different from the anime series come from? I hope it's not all just from the audio preview for the third movie... --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 06:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:Mmmmmmyeah, I have a feeling this speculah has come from the audio. From what impressions I've read and skimmed, there are no changes to the ending's content-- for instance, I don't see anything being said about there being no Majuu (demons) or Sayaka not dying. I have a feeling that the third film might simply pick up sometime before that latter particular scene. [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 08:13, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
::It would really bother me if the reason Sayaka is back to life is because of ''Madoka Ex Machina'', it would really undermine the whole plot of the anime series as well as the cruel system that Urobuchi put in place. The reason Sayaka had to die (and insisted she needed to die) was to show that magical girls can still die, if he were to walk back from that by saying, "I decided to cheat and bring back Sayaka because of magic" would really be a cruel joke... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 11:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:::But there's nothing actually confirming that Sayaka has come back to life. Hearing her voice in the preview could mean anything: it could be a dream or a flashback, you name it. Like Animerican-Redeemed above, I haven't heard of any content changes, especially not something as drastic that would create wild speculations about a new universe. The reason I brought it up in the first place is because this information is already spread out on three pages (this one, 12th Episode, Yuri undertones). Frankly, even with it labelled as being highly speculative, until more people actually have access to the movies, I think the information is more confusing than anything. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 14:11, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

==Ticket Sales==
We need info on ticket sales in Japan as well as international viewing, is there a way to have this info and post it on the page? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:(Also how much money the movie made in Japan and overseas too. If possible have a column showing their foreign currency and next to it changed into dollars --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:15, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
*[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-09/1st-madoka-magica-film-opens-at-no.7-with-over-us$1-million 1st Madoka Magica Film Opens at #7 With Over US$1 Million]
*[http://www.mangahere.com/news/puella-magi-madoka-magica-movies-tickets-sold-out/ Puella Magi Madoka Magica Movies Presale Tickets Sold Out in a Cinema in SFO]
I tried looking for some info regarding ticket sales, not a lot to work on. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 15:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
:Does anyone know where to find box office/ticket sales reliable data? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 15:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

==New World Speculation==
The New World: Movie Version and Differences

<big>''(WARNING: THIS IS HIGHLY SPECULATIVE UNTIL RELEASE OF THE THIRD FILM)''</big>

There is speculation that the New World version of the movie is not the same from the anime series version. The New World concept of the movie version radically departs from the anime version that it alters the anime storyline. If the creators have made the story from the movie version a different story from that of the anime version, so we must consider both versions to be equally valid. If we consider the New World of the movie version and anime version to be canon then one acceptable explanation is that these two Worlds are from different universes. How these two Worlds are connected has not been explained. Since the universe from the anime series and the universe from the movie version share similarities but radical differences, they will both be treated as separate universes. The universe from the anime version will be indicated as '''Universe A''', and the universe from the movie version will be indicated as '''Universe M''', just as a matter of pragmatism.

*At first it seems like the cycle of suffering has been broken and that Witches have never existed in the New World of '''Universe M''', but this is proven to be false.
*Despair continues to haunt magical girls in the New World of '''Universe M'''.

*Sayaka is alive in '''Universe M'''. In '''Universe A''', Sayaka gave her life as a sacrifice and Ultimate Madoka accepted Sayaka's fate and wish. Not only does Madoka accept Sayaka's decision, but helps her to transition to what it is speculated to be the afterlife, so Sayaka's doesnt have any regrets from her choice. Why is Sayaka still alive in ''Universe M'' is not known. It is not clear yet if this is the result of Ultimate Madoka's interfering with Sayaka's fate or something else at work.
*Ultimate Madoka is able to show herself to Homura and perhaps interact with '''Universe M'''. In '''Universe A''', only Madoka's voice and presence could be felt by Homura.

:Perhaps Universe M is a prototype to Universe A, I mean, Madoka is a 4th grader, there is no way she would know how to completely tune the Universe from curse to hope in just one try. --[[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 20:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
::Alternatively, it could be that the Incubators began a counter attack that somehow jeopardized Madoka's Universe, I mean, there is a whole multiverse of timelines she has to watch over and if her wish works like a ripple effect then some time axis might be still undergoing transition. That also helps explaining the Online Game. --[[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 20:52, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Look, I know that there's a disclaimer about it being highly speculative, but still, this statement-- "The New World concept of the movie version radically departs from the anime version that it alters the anime storyline"-- sounds much too assumptive, much too "definitive" a statement from one making mere speculation. Again, is there anything at *all* in the second movie itself, discounting the trailer that has Sayaka's voice in it, that indicates a New World different from the one seen in the series? I've yet to hear anything about there being altered plot developments in the second movie; it sounds like everything shown in the series ending-- the Majuu, Madoka's wish, Sayaka's death, etc.-- hasn't been taken out. And even if Sayaka was brought back to life, would that really imply a "radically different" universe? [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 00:21, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Madoka Magica Movie

2012-10-15T08:13:14Z

Animerican-Redeemed: Movie ending talk.

Talk:Madoka Magica Movie

2012-10-14T06:14:06Z

Animerican-Redeemed: Alternate translation plus physical descriptions of 3rd movie trailer

Madoka Magica Movie

2012-10-13T20:47:56Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* Official statements about The Rebellion Story */

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''"Even the unchangeable destiny, shall be shattered."'' ~ Madoka☆Magica movie poster.
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''"Even if it's a deception, this is the future she wanted."'' ~ Madoka☆Magica movie poster.
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{{Nihongo|'''''Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Movie'''''|劇場版魔法少女まどか☆マギカ|Gekijōban Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magika}}, the anime movie adaptation of ''[[Madoka Magica|Puella Magi Madoka Magica]]'', was first announced on November 10, 2011 in [[NewType 2011-12]]. The movies are set to be a trilogy with the first two being recap of the anime series and the last one being a continuation of the Madoka Magica story. On April 1, 2012 the titles for the first two movies were announced at Anime Contents Expo. Both movies are set for an Autumn 2012 release.

==Movies==
*'''Puella Magi Madoka Magica {{Nihongo|The Beginning Story|始まりの物語|Hajimari no Monogatari}}''' is the first of the two recap movies, released on October 6, 2012. It features the theme song ''"Luminous"'' by ClariS and a new version of ''"Magia"'' by Kalafina. It is 130 minutes long and covers the first 8 episodes of the anime series.
*'''Puella Magi Madoka Magica {{Nihongo|The Everlasting Story|永遠の物語|Eien no Monogatari}}''' is the second of the recap movies, to be released on October 13, 2012. It will feature the theme song ''"Hikari Furu"'' by Kalafina. It is 109 minutes long and covers the remaining of the anime series.
*'''Puella Magi Madoka Magica {{Nihongo|The Rebellion Story|叛逆の物語|Hangyaku no Monogatari}}''' is the third movie, continuation of the Madoka Magica story, to be released in 2013.[http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/10/12-1/third-madoka-magica-anime-movie-announced-as-hangyaku-no-monogatari]

==Trivia==
*On August 2012, a [[:file:New magical girl character magazine article 2012.jpg|picture]] of a magazine article was leaked to the internet, revealing what appears to be [[:file:2ch Asumi Original.jpg|a new character]] for the Madoka movie. It was quickly discovered that the magazine article was actually [[Translated_Official_Documents/Confirmed_Fakes#Jinna_Asumi|a fabrication]] by [http://2chnull.info/r/news4vip/1342419830/1-1001 2ch] to [http://ex14.vip2ch.com/i/responce.html?bbs=part4vip&dat=1342453877 deceive] Madoka fans.
*On October 2, 2012 Mezamashi TV [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fem01BT51Eo aired a feature on the first movie], showing scenes from the movie OP, new music, as well as new backgrounds and transformation sequences.

==Observation==
*Sayaka gets a new transformation sequence that takes place underwater.
*Sayaka's hair pins are also changed during her transformation, they're now in the shape of a fortissimo sign.
**In Italian, fortissimo means very strong, bright, tough/severe. In the music world, fortissimo is signed as ''ff'' and indicates that the piece should be played very loudly.
* Sayaka's face is concealed more often.
*Two of Mami's transformation sequences were changed.
*Mami's room became more lovely and has a loft.
*Kyoko has more variety of food in each scene she is in. She is seen eating green tea and strawberry Pocky in addition to her usual chocolate variety.
** Snacks are sold around theaters which collaborated by Madoka-Magica and Yaokin who makes "Umai-Bo', that is original of "Ummai-Bo" which Kyoko has.
*SHAFT redraws a lot of the background.
*New Kajiura music
*New Credens Justitiam with the lyrics in Japanese.
*Homura and Madoka [[:file:Madoka homura chairs movie.jpg|sitting on chairs]] together in an open field. Chairs have a [[:file:Chairs s.jpg|significance]] with the Madoka anime franchise.

==Official statements about ''The Rebellion Story''==
Very little has been revealed about the third movie. This section has been created to compile all official information about the third movie's contents.
* [[NewType 2011-12]]
* [[Sakura-Con 2012 Interview]]
* [[Otakon 2012]] - [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2012/otakon/4 Partial source]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt0NY8769Bw Audio from End-of-The-Everlasting-Story Preview]

==Speculation==
*The very last part of the new ending animation features an unknown pink silhouette -most likely that of Ultimate Madoka- with another silhouette that is somewhat smaller and floating inside its belly, or womb (?)
**This has fueled speculation of a pregnancy. In Goethe's Faust, Gretchen was actually pregnant with Faust's baby and she was forced to murder her baby by drowning it.
*There have been hints that the witches will reappear in the new movie in some capacity.

==Worldwide premiere==
The first two movies are set to open in 18 cities in eight countries and territories between October and December. Each country will have their own key visuals.
*'''United States'''
** Los Angeles' Downtown Independent (October 19-25)
** New York's Big Cinema Manhattan (October 20-22)
** Chicago's Music Box (October 20)
** Houston's Alamo Drafthouse (October 20, October 21)
** San Francisco's New People (October 20, October 21)
*'''France'''
**Paris' Grand Rex (October 19)
*'''Italy'''
*'''San Marino'''
*'''South Korea'''
** Megabox Dongdaemun (October 27)
*'''Taiwan'''
** Vie Show Cinemas Taipei Sun (台北日新威秀影城) (October 20 for the first movie, and October 21 for the second)
*'''Hong Kong'''
** MCL JP Cinema, Causeway Bay (MCL JP 銅鑼灣戲院) (October 20, October 27)
*'''Singapore'''
<gallery>
File:Madoka Movie 1 Key Visual US.jpg|United States
File:Madoka Movie 1 Key Visual France.jpg|France
File:Madoka Movie 1 Key Visual Taiwan.jpg|Taiwan
File:Madoka Movie 1 Key Visual Hong Kong.jpg|Hong Kong
</gallery>

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:Madoka Magica Movie website graphic.jpeg|From the official Madoka Magica website.
File:Manga Time Kirara Magica movie promo art 1.jpeg|Initial Key Visual #1
File:Manga Time Kirara Magica movie promo art 2.png|Key Visual #1 - "Even if it's a deception, this is the future she wanted." [[:File:Madoka Movie 1 Key Visual US larger.jpg|(clear version)]]
File:Madoka magica movie poster theater.jpg|Key Visual #2 - "Even the unchangeable destiny, shall be shattered." [[:File:Madoka magica movie poster theater lean version.jpg|(clear version)]]
File:Movie Promo Flyer 01.jpg
File:Movie Promo Flyer 02.jpg
File:Movie Promo Flyer 03.jpg
File:Movie goods gayer gayer!.jpg|Complete set of all 3 Clear Files sold at the Goods counter at movie theaters. Each includes another clear file with a deco design and the girls' Soul Gem symbol and/or Kyubey silhouette.
File:Mami kyubey movie art official.jpg
File:Madoka homura movie art official.jpg
File:Sayaka kyoko movie art official.jpg
File:Madoka movie taniguchi.jpg
</gallery>
===Tickets===
<gallery>
File:Movie Ticket ACE Special Edition.jpg|Special Edition Advance tickets at ACE for a limited venue showing of the first two Madoka Magica movies.
File:Madoka Magica Movie Special Edition Advance Tickets.jpg|Closer look at the ticket for the two movies.
File:Kyoko int manga anime fair 2012 sample.jpg|Kyoto International Anime Manga Fair 2012 Tickets
</gallery>

====Movie differences====
<gallery>
File:Movie version diff.jpg|Differences in quality. The movie version will be of higher image quality.
File:Madoka-bd-movie-comparison3.jpg|More differences.
File:madoka-bd-movie-comparison.jpg|More differences. The movie versions are scanned from a flyer, so the images aren't perfect.
File:School Roof Animation Comparison.jpg|More differences.
File:SayakaMovieComparison1.png|More differences.
File:SayakaMovieComparison2.png|More differences.
File:SayakaMovieComparison03.png|More differences.
</gallery>

==Magical Parameters==
'''According to a couple of tweets from Urobuchi, these were written between when the script was finished and when the storyboarding was being done, so the information is slightly outdated. It should not be taken as final.'''
<gallery>
File:Magical parameters 1.jpg
File:Magical parameters 2.jpg
File:Magical parameters 3.jpg
File:Magical parameters 4.jpg
File:Magical parameters 5.jpg
File:Magistats.png
File:Madokastats-runes.jpg
File:Madokastats-english.jpg

</gallery>

==Fanart==
{{Fanart}}
<gallery>
File:Homumado movie fanart.jpg
</gallery>

== External links ==
* [http://www.madoka-magica.com/ ''Puella Magi Madoka Magica'' official website]

Madoka Magica Movie

2012-10-13T20:44:22Z

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''"Even the unchangeable destiny, shall be shattered."'' ~ Madoka☆Magica movie poster.
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''"Even if it's a deception, this is the future she wanted."'' ~ Madoka☆Magica movie poster.
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{{Nihongo|'''''Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Movie'''''|劇場版魔法少女まどか☆マギカ|Gekijōban Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magika}}, the anime movie adaptation of ''[[Madoka Magica|Puella Magi Madoka Magica]]'', was first announced on November 10, 2011 in [[NewType 2011-12]]. The movies are set to be a trilogy with the first two being recap of the anime series and the last one being a continuation of the Madoka Magica story. On April 1, 2012 the titles for the first two movies were announced at Anime Contents Expo. Both movies are set for an Autumn 2012 release.

==Movies==
*'''Puella Magi Madoka Magica {{Nihongo|The Beginning Story|始まりの物語|Hajimari no Monogatari}}''' is the first of the two recap movies, released on October 6, 2012. It features the theme song ''"Luminous"'' by ClariS and a new version of ''"Magia"'' by Kalafina. It is 130 minutes long and covers the first 8 episodes of the anime series.
*'''Puella Magi Madoka Magica {{Nihongo|The Everlasting Story|永遠の物語|Eien no Monogatari}}''' is the second of the recap movies, to be released on October 13, 2012. It will feature the theme song ''"Hikari Furu"'' by Kalafina. It is 109 minutes long and covers the remaining of the anime series.
*'''Puella Magi Madoka Magica {{Nihongo|The Rebellion Story|叛逆の物語|Hangyaku no Monogatari}}''' is the third movie, continuation of the Madoka Magica story, to be released in 2013.[http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2012/10/12-1/third-madoka-magica-anime-movie-announced-as-hangyaku-no-monogatari]

==Trivia==
*On August 2012, a [[:file:New magical girl character magazine article 2012.jpg|picture]] of a magazine article was leaked to the internet, revealing what appears to be [[:file:2ch Asumi Original.jpg|a new character]] for the Madoka movie. It was quickly discovered that the magazine article was actually [[Translated_Official_Documents/Confirmed_Fakes#Jinna_Asumi|a fabrication]] by [http://2chnull.info/r/news4vip/1342419830/1-1001 2ch] to [http://ex14.vip2ch.com/i/responce.html?bbs=part4vip&dat=1342453877 deceive] Madoka fans.
*On October 2, 2012 Mezamashi TV [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fem01BT51Eo aired a feature on the first movie], showing scenes from the movie OP, new music, as well as new backgrounds and transformation sequences.

==Observation==
*Sayaka gets a new transformation sequence that takes place underwater.
*Sayaka's hair pins are also changed during her transformation, they're now in the shape of a fortissimo sign.
**In Italian, fortissimo means very strong, bright, tough/severe. In the music world, fortissimo is signed as ''ff'' and indicates that the piece should be played very loudly.
* Sayaka's face is concealed more often.
*Two of Mami's transformation sequences were changed.
*Mami's room became more lovely and has a loft.
*Kyoko has more variety of food in each scene she is in. She is seen eating green tea and strawberry Pocky in addition to her usual chocolate variety.
** Snacks are sold around theaters which collaborated by Madoka-Magica and Yaokin who makes "Umai-Bo', that is original of "Ummai-Bo" which Kyoko has.
*SHAFT redraws a lot of the background.
*New Kajiura music
*New Credens Justitiam with the lyrics in Japanese.
*Homura and Madoka [[:file:Madoka homura chairs movie.jpg|sitting on chairs]] together in an open field. Chairs have a [[:file:Chairs s.jpg|significance]] with the Madoka anime franchise.

==Official statements about ''The Rebellion Story''==
Very little has been revealed about the third movie. This section has been created to compile all official information about the third movie's contents.
* [[NewType 2011-12]]
* [[Sakura-Con 2012 Interview]]
* [[Otakon 2012]] - [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2012/otakon/4 Partial source]
* [[Audio of End-of-Everlasting-Story Preview]] - [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt0NY8769Bw YouTube link; req. translation]

==Speculation==
*The very last part of the new ending animation features an unknown pink silhouette -most likely that of Ultimate Madoka- with another silhouette that is somewhat smaller and floating inside its belly, or womb (?)
**This has fueled speculation of a pregnancy. In Goethe's Faust, Gretchen was actually pregnant with Faust's baby and she was forced to murder her baby by drowning it.
*There have been hints that the witches will reappear in the new movie in some capacity.

==Worldwide premiere==
The first two movies are set to open in 18 cities in eight countries and territories between October and December. Each country will have their own key visuals.
*'''United States'''
** Los Angeles' Downtown Independent (October 19-25)
** New York's Big Cinema Manhattan (October 20-22)
** Chicago's Music Box (October 20)
** Houston's Alamo Drafthouse (October 20, October 21)
** San Francisco's New People (October 20, October 21)
*'''France'''
**Paris' Grand Rex (October 19)
*'''Italy'''
*'''San Marino'''
*'''South Korea'''
** Megabox Dongdaemun (October 27)
*'''Taiwan'''
** Vie Show Cinemas Taipei Sun (台北日新威秀影城) (October 20 for the first movie, and October 21 for the second)
*'''Hong Kong'''
** MCL JP Cinema, Causeway Bay (MCL JP 銅鑼灣戲院) (October 20, October 27)
*'''Singapore'''
<gallery>
File:Madoka Movie 1 Key Visual US.jpg|United States
File:Madoka Movie 1 Key Visual France.jpg|France
File:Madoka Movie 1 Key Visual Taiwan.jpg|Taiwan
File:Madoka Movie 1 Key Visual Hong Kong.jpg|Hong Kong
</gallery>

== Gallery ==
<gallery>
File:Madoka Magica Movie website graphic.jpeg|From the official Madoka Magica website.
File:Manga Time Kirara Magica movie promo art 1.jpeg|Initial Key Visual #1
File:Manga Time Kirara Magica movie promo art 2.png|Key Visual #1 - "Even if it's a deception, this is the future she wanted." [[:File:Madoka Movie 1 Key Visual US larger.jpg|(clear version)]]
File:Madoka magica movie poster theater.jpg|Key Visual #2 - "Even the unchangeable destiny, shall be shattered." [[:File:Madoka magica movie poster theater lean version.jpg|(clear version)]]
File:Movie Promo Flyer 01.jpg
File:Movie Promo Flyer 02.jpg
File:Movie Promo Flyer 03.jpg
File:Movie goods gayer gayer!.jpg|Complete set of all 3 Clear Files sold at the Goods counter at movie theaters. Each includes another clear file with a deco design and the girls' Soul Gem symbol and/or Kyubey silhouette.
File:Mami kyubey movie art official.jpg
File:Madoka homura movie art official.jpg
File:Sayaka kyoko movie art official.jpg
File:Madoka movie taniguchi.jpg
</gallery>
===Tickets===
<gallery>
File:Movie Ticket ACE Special Edition.jpg|Special Edition Advance tickets at ACE for a limited venue showing of the first two Madoka Magica movies.
File:Madoka Magica Movie Special Edition Advance Tickets.jpg|Closer look at the ticket for the two movies.
File:Kyoko int manga anime fair 2012 sample.jpg|Kyoto International Anime Manga Fair 2012 Tickets
</gallery>

====Movie differences====
<gallery>
File:Movie version diff.jpg|Differences in quality. The movie version will be of higher image quality.
File:Madoka-bd-movie-comparison3.jpg|More differences.
File:madoka-bd-movie-comparison.jpg|More differences. The movie versions are scanned from a flyer, so the images aren't perfect.
File:School Roof Animation Comparison.jpg|More differences.
File:SayakaMovieComparison1.png|More differences.
File:SayakaMovieComparison2.png|More differences.
File:SayakaMovieComparison03.png|More differences.
</gallery>

==Magical Parameters==
'''According to a couple of tweets from Urobuchi, these were written between when the script was finished and when the storyboarding was being done, so the information is slightly outdated. It should not be taken as final.'''
<gallery>
File:Magical parameters 1.jpg
File:Magical parameters 2.jpg
File:Magical parameters 3.jpg
File:Magical parameters 4.jpg
File:Magical parameters 5.jpg
File:Magistats.png
File:Madokastats-runes.jpg
File:Madokastats-english.jpg

</gallery>

==Fanart==
{{Fanart}}
<gallery>
File:Homumado movie fanart.jpg
</gallery>

== External links ==
* [http://www.madoka-magica.com/ ''Puella Magi Madoka Magica'' official website]

Licensing in USA

2012-05-12T04:09:39Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* DVD/Blu-ray release */

[[File:Otakon_Poster.jpg|thumb|150px]]
== Initial News ==
On July 1, 2011, Aniplex USA [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-07-01/aniplex-usa-adds-madoka-magica-blue-exorcist-on-home-video announced] at Anime Expo that they had acquired Puella Magi Madoka license for the US. Since then, Aniplex USA has established a [http://www.madokamagicausa.com/ website] for Madoka, with links to twitter, facebook and youtube channel. The release will have both English subtitles and dub options.

== DVD/Blu-ray release ==
[[File:Madoka-Magica-V1-Assets USA Aniplex.jpg|Volume 1 Limited Edition Box|thumb]]
[[File:1st-Promo-Photo--LE-Box--2.jpeg|Volume 2 Limited Edition Box|thumb]]
[[File:Madoka-Magica-V3-Assets-lrg.jpg|Volume 3 Limited Edition Box|thumb]]

Aniplex USA [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/madoka-magica-to-get-english-bds-starting-february-14 announced] a three Blu-Ray and DVD release of Puella Magi Madoka Magica at the New York Comic Con panel. The first volume will be released on both Blu-ray Disc and DVD on February 14, 2012. The second volume will follow on April 10, and the third volume will ship on June 12. Pre-orders started on [http://www.madokamagicausa.com/product-combo1.php October 17, 2011]. There will be a limited edition box with the DVD, Blu-ray Disc, and the original soundtrack. The box will also bundle the following: 24-page booklet, a double-sided poster, Kyubey stickers, collectible "Preview Illustrations" of episode 1-4 postcards, a trailer collection, and credit-less opening and ending animation footage.

The following voice actors were announced:

* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=95337 Christine Marie Cabanos] as Madoka
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=95781 Cassandra Lee] as Kyubey
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=104914 Sarah Williams] as Sayaka

On December 16, 2011, Aniplex announced the rest of the key cast:

* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=70779 Lauren Landa] as Kyoko
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=8519 Carrie Keranen] as Mami
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=53287 Cristina Vee] as Homura

The official dubbed trailer has also been released and can be watched on [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laTRlKXrCXk YouTube].

=== Disc Specs ===
Languages: Japanese & English 
Audio: Dolby Digital 2.0 for Blu Ray, Linear PCM for DVD 
Subtitles: English 
Aspect Ratio: 16x9 
Region: no region 
Rating: 13 UP

'''All Volumes''' 
∗ Original Japanese and English languages 
∗ Textless Opening 

'''Volume 1''' 
∗ Ending theme song "Magia" music video by Kalafina 
∗ Trailer collection 

== Online distribution ==
[[File:Madokamine.jpg|thumb|The dub has become a meme even before its release...]]
[[File:Nico dub poll results.jpg|thumb|Poll results]]
=== NicoNico ===
On Friday, February 10th, 20:30 PST (Feb 11, 4:30 UTC), the [[Episode 1|first episode]] with English dub and Japanese subtitles (which were a transcript of the original dialogue) streamed for free on [http://live.niconico.com/watch/lv79795448 Nico2], as well as on Japanese [http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv79795448 Nico Nico Douga]. The broadcast was available in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK and Japan, and has attracted 56485 viewers, who wrote 95826 comments.

After the broadcast, NicoNico conducted a poll to rate the show among the viewers. 78.8% has rated it "very good", 17.0% "OK", 1.5% "not very" and 2.7% "bad".

=== Crunchyroll ===
The anime streaming site [http://www.crunchyroll.com/ Crunchyroll] announced on February 15th that [http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-751053/puella-magi-madoka-magica-comes-to-crunchyroll it has acquired rights to stream the series on the site]. The series will be streamed on a weekly basis, with each episode premiering on Wednesday at 10:00 PST (18:00 UTC).

The series is streamed with original Japanese audio and English subtitles. Up to 1080p quality is available for premium users. The streams are available in North America only.

== Manga ==
[http://www.yenpress.com/ Yen Press] [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/yen-press-adds-madoka-magica-soul-eater-not-yuki-chan announced] at the New York Comic Con that it licensed the [[Madoka Magica (manga)|Puella Magi Madoka Magica manga]], story by Magica Quartet, art by Hanokage.

The first volume will be released in May 2012, the second in August 2012 and the third and final volume in December 2012. Each volume will retail at $11.99 and contain approximately 144 pages. Manga description from [http://www.yenpress.com/puella-magi-madoka-magica/ Yen Press]:

''When a new girl joins her class, Madoka Kaname feels she recognizes the mysterious, dark-haired transfer student from one of her dreams…a dream where she is approached by a cat-like creature who offers Madoka an opportunity to change destiny. Madoka had always thought magic was the stuff of fantasy…until she sees the transfer student fighting with the very cat-being from her dream! And just like in Madoka’s dream, the cat gives her a choice: Will Madoka become a Puella Magi in exchange for her dearest desire? What will be the cost of having her wish come true?''

== Gallery ==
=== Blu-ray/DVD Volume 1 ===
<gallery>
File:Aniplex QB valentine and madoka limited edition box set.jpg
File:Limited edition box set front and back.jpg
File:Madoka limt ed box inside.jpg
File:Animeplex goodies limited ed box.jpg
File:Animeplex limited ed ost.jpg
File:Collection of end card illustrations.jpg
File:Www.dotup.org2636915.jpg
File:Gertrud+Little Anthonies+Victims of Mustaches.JPG
</gallery>

=== Blu-ray/DVD Volume 2 ===
<gallery>
File:Vol. 2 LE Mami Tomoe.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE Sayaka Miki.JPG
File:VoL. 2 LE Box Contents.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery-1.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery-2.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE BD-DVD Combo Outside-Case.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE BD-DVD Combo Inside.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE OST 2 Outside.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE OST 2 Inside.JPG
</gallery>

== See Also ==
* [[Translated_Official_Documents_Miscellaneous#Overseas.2FInternational_Licensing|Other International Licensing]]
* [[Translated_Official_Documents|Translated magazines]]

== External links ==
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2011/otakon/8 ANN on the Madoka premiere viewing Q&A]
* [http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/07/30-1/otakon-2011-atsuhiro-iwakami-all-about-madoka Crunchyroll on Atsuhiro Iwakami panel]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CTHwEZK2JA Aniplex USA Madoka trailer with translated subs]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DhMzOA9l8c Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Madoka Kaname]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlXbnOfi1WA Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Voice Director]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvQp-SWibyQ Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Sayaka Miki]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_XJIN6oW8 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Mami Tomoe]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIpYnJyf-0 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Homura Akemi]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fkNH0YjLh4 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Kyubey]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9eW0IDrQ0Y Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Kyoko Sakura]

File:Madoka-Magica-V3-Assets-lrg.jpg

2012-05-12T04:08:02Z

Animerican-Redeemed: Higher-res preview of LE for Volume 3

Higher-res preview of LE for Volume 3

Talk:Licensing in USA

2012-04-17T04:34:39Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

== The Dub: Online Clips + Trailer==
Somehow, the voices from the English-dubbed trailer seem really bad to me. Madoka, Sayaka and Kyubey are pretty OK, but Mami, Hitomi, Kyoko and (especially!) Homura totally lost their character from the original... Well, thank God we have multiple audio tracks and softsubs, they ought to be the best invention in home video technology ever ;) --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 17:32, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

:They all sound horrible to me... --[[Special:Contributions/84.77.58.17|84.77.58.17]] 18:48, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm really disappointed by the dub so far. All the characters sound forced to some extent, Sayaka by far is the worst in this aspect. Madoka is trying too hard to sound "cutesy", Mami sounds like she is in her 30s, Homura has no personality and sounds like she is reading a script. On the brighter side, Kyoko is alright as far as dubs go (but lacks the Nonaka Ai charm) and QB is... mediocre. I never trust dubs, but this one really did let me down. --[[User:Lord Chestnut|Lord Chestnut]] 19:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
:Sayaka's voice itself is actually a good match, but she and the rest of the cast didn't show any acting ability. Relistening to it, it seems like it's not the quality of the dub relative to the typical dub that's so bad, but rather the exceptional work of the Japanese VA's, which was clearly above the level of the average Japanese-version anime, added so much to the characters that they make "typical dub" feel like "amateurish butchery." I wonder how much time the dubbing staff spent listening to and understanding the nuances, emoting, and precise voice control in the original.[[User:KM|KM]] 04:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't like the dub. The voices are trying to imitate the 'cutesy' way the Japanese speak and it sounds really fake and stiff. All the girls sounded similar to me, reminds me of Puchi Puri Yuushi. There's not distinction to the characters. Most dubs I've watched so this, they try too hard and it just flat out fails. Like someone in another thread mentioned, that unnatural/stiff sound in the voices isn't present in original English cartoons. If they voices /are/ better in the anime and the trailer was supposed to fool us, I'll be damned. Though it's highly likely that won't be the case. I just wonder what goes on in the VAs/director's heads when they do dubs. Do they even know the personality of the character they're supposed to be portraying? Also, to quote someone on YT, "cutesy doesn't translate well to this language". That's my opinion, anyways. [[User:ViralJuggernaut|ViralJuggernaut]] 07:54, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Sooo, another sample video is there. Unfortunately it's region-locked, but fortunately, there are proxies ;) Anyway, technicalities aside - not in the slightest did that convince me that the dub might be better than I think it'll be. It may be cruel, but it seems that the problem is kind of lack of emotions to the show from the cast. When Aoi Yuuki is talking about the show, for example in the BD/DVD commentaries, she really feels attached to it and it's clear that she had put her heart into the recording. And Christine Marie Cabanos in that interview seems as plain as humanly possible. It gave me a feeling of "oh well, just another dubbing session, not much to say about it". The only thing I wonder about is - is the dub bad, or are the original seiyuu just ''that'' good? --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 01:51, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
:I can't comment on dubs because I don't follow them. But I can say the way the seiyuu talk about Madoka is unusually passionate. They're all very good seiyuu and Japanese fans have repeatedly praised the quality of their performances in Madoka. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 02:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
:I liked what I heard from that guy they had on the script. He seems to be putting thought into it. But on the VA side I got the impression that they were overwhelmed and learning as they went along. That probably means making a trailer composed entirely of lines from the very beginning wasn't the best way to show off. As for Aoi Yuuki, she's totally off the deep end even by hardcore standards, and puts average Japanese VAs to shame. If you try to find someone to dub James Bond, Connery will make them all look like amateurs, especially if they are amateurs.
:One interesting thing he mentioned was that the dubbers expected a veteran to do the lines in single takes, but they ended up doing lots of retakes and spending time trying to get it right. The JP interviews said they expected to spend a lot of time doing retakes, but ended up nailing things in one shot very often. Kind of reminds me of sports, one team is getting out of their usual comfort zone for a big game, and another is aiming for the championship and has one of those days when they're in the zone and can't be stopped. [[User:KM|KM]] 08:14, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
::So I watched the director and Sayaka interviews. And you're right, the director guy seems to be genuinely enjoying the show and the work he put into it. Sayaka's VA is actually not so bad, either. Not the level of KitaEri, but she'll definitely be one of the better voices of the dub. Any clip of the dub featuring Mami, though, is just... That voice just doesn't suit her. At all.
::I'm curious to hear more scenes of Kyubey and Homura next ;) And well... I just wonder how eps 10-12 will end up in the dub. Those were so epic performances of the original seiyuu, and I can't help being afraid of those eps getting ruined by the English VAs... --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 11:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Is there any method to view those videos outside of US? I'm unable to view those videos. But I'm very interested in them. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 12:20, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::You need some kind of proxy. [http://proxyultra.com/ This one] seems to work pretty well. You can also try eg. ones listed on [http://freenuts.com/top-10-free-online-proxy-websites/ this site] or google "youtube proxy". --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 00:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much. It works. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 19:12, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
::I kind of like the attitude of Mami's VA. She actually may not turn out bad in this role, but it's a totally different way of portraying her than in the Japanese version. Kaori Mizuhashi's Mami is much more cheerful and high-spirited, while Carrie Keranen is just gentle and caring. "Tiro Finale" with American English accent is just awful, though, sorry -_- --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 16:30, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Cristina Vee is awesome. In general, I mean. She contributed to Haruhi dub adverts, she dubbed Mio in K-On, she has some skills and... well, is awesome in general. I liked her interview the best so far. But... she's also NOT the right person to do Homura. The voice just doesn't go together with image well. She would be great as Mami or Sayaka, I guess, but Homura is definitely not the right character for her... I have really weird thoughts about the guys who did the US casting... --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 14:28, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, the Kyoko girl, Lauren Landa. She is certainly the worst among the cast in terms of pronouncing Japanese names. She makes the name of her own character sound more like "Kiyoko" than "Kyoko" :/ But thankfully Kyoko doesn't say people's names too often, and in terms of the actual dialogue, she might actually be better than I expected. She has a totally different voice than Aipon, but it might actually work; she seems to authentically like her character, which will certainly help. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 14:32, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
:: This seems barely noticeable to me, though.... I mean, I'm in the midst of taking my second year of University Japanese (might've been third if I heard about the Japanese program freshman year...), and I'm only hearing some of that now that you and some random youtube poster mentioned it. But even then, it doesn't sound like the "Ki" (き) part of "Kyo" (きょう）is drawn out much, at least not on a consistent basis; it's a subtle enough difference to be overlooked in the bigger scheme of things. I have definitely heard a whole lot worse pronunciations of Japanese names and words, let me tell you. Anyway, we've heard Lauren Landa say "Kyoko" more times in this cast video than she ever will while actually playing the part of Kyoko in the series, so whatever "flubbing" there is here should matter little, as you've kinda already said. On a separate note, I'm really loving what I've heard of Kyoko in the cast video; I'd be lying if I didn't get a big grin stuck on my face after hearing her dub lines between the 0:31 and 0:37 mark. [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 18:02, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
:::It stood out really obviously to me, and felt like there was an extra syllable. I fear the bad habits it might encourage among people who have never heard it in Japanese. But aside from that, I agree that she had more of a Kyoko feel to her than I expected from any dub. [[User:KM|KM]] 23:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

== The Dub Premiere: February 11, 2012 ==
[[File:Madokamine.jpg|thumb|You're MINE, Madoka, MINE MINE MINE!]]
February 11, simulcast Nico broadcast in of Ep 1 in North America, Japan, UK, and Australia with English dubs and Japanese subs. 2012/02/11 (Sat): 13:00 Opening 13:30 (JST). http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv79795448 --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 12:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
:Well, Saturday 13:00 JST is:
:* Friday 20:00 (8 PM) PST (US West Coast)
:* Friday 23:00 (11 PM) EST (US East Coast)
:* Saturday 4:00 (AM) UTC (UK)
:* Saturday 12:00 (noon) WST (Western Australia)
:* Saturday 15:00 (3 PM) AEDT (South-Eastern Australia)
:I think the live stream won't be too popular among UK fans ;) But still, that's great news, it may mean that a UK license is around the corner - hoping heavily for it! --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 19:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, so I actually happened to stay up this late and find a (somewhat) working proxy, so I watch it, until ca. the time Mami shows up, the proxy went down at that time, so I couldn't hear her. Anyway, the dub was better than I thought it'll be, it flowed quite good, and the voices fit. Surprisingly even Homura. QB shows a little bit too much emotion, though. I'll comment on it more once I watch the Mami scenes, but the dub seems OK, definitely not worse than the Italian one. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 05:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:: The thing is, though, didn't Kyubey sound a bit "emotional" himself originally? I just saw all four of the episodes, subbed, of the LE that arrived early for me, and he doesn't seem to be talking with the same lack of passion that we've tended to associated with him after knowing more about him. I feel that many fans have just over-credited Kyubey with an emotionless voice, as if he was fully lacking any personality '''on a vocal level''' for all twelve episodes. Its this beginning part of the series, in this 1-2 episode period before the first big jump down the rabbit hole abyss, that he goes all chirpy salesman the most, and tries to appeal to the girls the most on an emotional level.[[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 04:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm not saying that Kyubey was totally and utterly emotionless in the original. Just that he was noticeably less emotional than in the dub. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 04:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, managed to finish the episode. Well, Mami's voice is definitely the worst part of this dub IMO. I didn't make it to the /a/'s ep2-4 streams, but the lines that are in the Mami's VA video ("Tiro Finale"... OMGWTF) don't help... ;] Well, we won't be hearing her too much anyway xD --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 05:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:I agree that Mami's voice is worst part of the whole thing. On the other hand, Tatsuya's voice is so adorable and Sayaka sounds like KITAERI. I found it pretty weird that they re-dub Anthony voice, though. (Oh I wish I could watch it without lagging every 3 seconds.) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 06:24, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
::Anthonies were dubbed in Italian too. Yes, it's weird. [[User:Kraff|Kraff]] 06:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Maybe the Japanese are just giving copies without Anthonies' voices to the dubbing companies and they have no choice but to redub them. Anyway, the "English" Anthonies were much closer to the original and much better-sounding overall, than the "Italian" ones, at least to my ear. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 13:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

FYI- 37K viewers, 88K comments, overall high approval rating on [[:Media:Ep 1 English Feedback.png|Nico live broadcast of ep 1.]]
:When the stream closed, [[Media:Madokadubnico.PNG |it was reading]] 39,176 visitors and 93,216 comments. [[User:KM|KM]] 10:37, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
::You're confusing the former, which is Japanese Nico with the latter, English Niconico. They're different sites for viewing. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

On another note - anyone else noticed how the Japanese subs were an exact transcript of the original dialogue? Which wasn't a faithful translation of the English audio at times since the dub took liberties here and there. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 13:31, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

==The Dub: Episodes 5-8 ==

Huh! It seems like overall wiki community interest has dropped in the Madoka dub. I don't think I've even seen any impressions for anything in episodes 2-4. Beyond a posible lack of interest, perhaps the information that's been coming in from the PSP game has diverted a lot of attention from it, huh? Well, here's some of what I took away from the L.E. Volume 2 set (which admittedly takes some basis in what I've already said on ANN):

Madoka: Cabanos' crying scenes sounded quite nicely done to me, and unlike a few other scenes infused with a lot of vocal emotion, I didn't have any inclination/temptation to directly compare it with the Japanese performance "just to be sure" or anything insecure like that. It felt pitch perfect, really. It's kinda too bad how her character writing kinda limits how much she can do in this set, though.

Homura: Cristina Vee's doing her job as the Magical Girl of Mystery. She sounded an edge bit meaner in her confrontation with Sayaka in episode 8 several seconds before she was about to kill her-- she gave a coolly worded "I don't give a damn if you live or die," or something extremely close to that. Her emotional burst with Madoka felt pretty spot-on, even sounding ''eerily'' like Chiwa Saito when she cried out "Madoka!"

Sayaka: Sarah Williams did a particularly great job here, aptly pulling off her big Emotional Scenes in episodes 7 and 8 and more. She's practically the American Kitamura, for me! That said, I can't help but keep on comparing her and Kitamura's performances of the breakdown in the fight against Elsa Maria at the end of Episode 7/start of Episode 8. I'm definitely liking Kitamura's performance there a bit more-- her voice felt somewhat deeper, more inhuman (and thus more powerfully dissonant from her normal voice for Sayaka) than what Sarah Williams did. No question, Sayaka's breakdown was on clear display in both-- it might be a very subject personal preference, here.

Kyoko: Yep, really liking Lauren Landa as her. She might've most quickly adapted to the role than the other girls, and makes a believable transition into her more serious and stern/ less playful voice in the later episodes. In a few bits (particularly her introductory fight with Sayaka), she sounded fairly similar to Sayaka, but it seemed to be less evident/prevalent/cared about by me as the episodes' content moved along.

Kyubey: Fine in my book-- sounds gender-neutral neutral enough. Really don't have any particularly strong feelings either way for the dub, though I trend more positive. Not as memorable as Emiri Katou-- but then again, Katou didn't pull a win at the 6th Annual Seiyuu Awards for nothing.

Mami: ... Uh, her picture on the front of Aniplex USA's LE box is nice. ;-)

Those Male Hosts on the Train: Well... that was interesting! (lol) The first 2-3 lines sounded like they were spoken by (and please, pardon the use of a stereotype here) black people. There were enough uses of "hoes" to make Sideshow Bob trip and fall unconscious. One of the male hosts even managed the first three-fourths of a low-sounding "motherf*****" before Sayaka cut in, hah. I think the change works more than not-- there really isn't a 1:1 American equivalent for hostess clubs or their hostesses, with the nearest things probably being a night club and, uh... "hoes?" (Yep, hoe was a stand-in for hostess in the spoken dialogue.) And with the dub more or less making those equivalencies, the language sounded dirty enough to evoke the general image that they're scummy misogynous guys and "oh, these guys must come from a night club" or some place like that. (Still, I think the voice director and script adapter might've tried a little too hard, here.)

So, any new thoughts on the voices from any of you guys, yet? [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 04:32, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

==Puella Magi Madoka☆Magica Meet and Greet at Anime Jungle February 17th, 2012==
Celebrating the release of Puella Magi Madoka☆Magica Vol. 1 in North America, Aniplex of America had a special Meet and Greet Event with the English Voice Cast of the series.

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwbtTxpwPd8&feature=youtu.be This is part 1/3 of the Q&A.]

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Talk:Licensing in USA

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Animerican-Redeemed: Dub Talk: Episodes 5-8

== The Dub: Online Clips + Premiere ==
Somehow, the voices from the English-dubbed trailer seem really bad to me. Madoka, Sayaka and Kyubey are pretty OK, but Mami, Hitomi, Kyoko and (especially!) Homura totally lost their character from the original... Well, thank God we have multiple audio tracks and softsubs, they ought to be the best invention in home video technology ever ;) --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 17:32, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

:They all sound horrible to me... --[[Special:Contributions/84.77.58.17|84.77.58.17]] 18:48, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm really disappointed by the dub so far. All the characters sound forced to some extent, Sayaka by far is the worst in this aspect. Madoka is trying too hard to sound "cutesy", Mami sounds like she is in her 30s, Homura has no personality and sounds like she is reading a script. On the brighter side, Kyoko is alright as far as dubs go (but lacks the Nonaka Ai charm) and QB is... mediocre. I never trust dubs, but this one really did let me down. --[[User:Lord Chestnut|Lord Chestnut]] 19:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
:Sayaka's voice itself is actually a good match, but she and the rest of the cast didn't show any acting ability. Relistening to it, it seems like it's not the quality of the dub relative to the typical dub that's so bad, but rather the exceptional work of the Japanese VA's, which was clearly above the level of the average Japanese-version anime, added so much to the characters that they make "typical dub" feel like "amateurish butchery." I wonder how much time the dubbing staff spent listening to and understanding the nuances, emoting, and precise voice control in the original.[[User:KM|KM]] 04:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't like the dub. The voices are trying to imitate the 'cutesy' way the Japanese speak and it sounds really fake and stiff. All the girls sounded similar to me, reminds me of Puchi Puri Yuushi. There's not distinction to the characters. Most dubs I've watched so this, they try too hard and it just flat out fails. Like someone in another thread mentioned, that unnatural/stiff sound in the voices isn't present in original English cartoons. If they voices /are/ better in the anime and the trailer was supposed to fool us, I'll be damned. Though it's highly likely that won't be the case. I just wonder what goes on in the VAs/director's heads when they do dubs. Do they even know the personality of the character they're supposed to be portraying? Also, to quote someone on YT, "cutesy doesn't translate well to this language". That's my opinion, anyways. [[User:ViralJuggernaut|ViralJuggernaut]] 07:54, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Sooo, another sample video is there. Unfortunately it's region-locked, but fortunately, there are proxies ;) Anyway, technicalities aside - not in the slightest did that convince me that the dub might be better than I think it'll be. It may be cruel, but it seems that the problem is kind of lack of emotions to the show from the cast. When Aoi Yuuki is talking about the show, for example in the BD/DVD commentaries, she really feels attached to it and it's clear that she had put her heart into the recording. And Christine Marie Cabanos in that interview seems as plain as humanly possible. It gave me a feeling of "oh well, just another dubbing session, not much to say about it". The only thing I wonder about is - is the dub bad, or are the original seiyuu just ''that'' good? --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 01:51, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
:I can't comment on dubs because I don't follow them. But I can say the way the seiyuu talk about Madoka is unusually passionate. They're all very good seiyuu and Japanese fans have repeatedly praised the quality of their performances in Madoka. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 02:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
:I liked what I heard from that guy they had on the script. He seems to be putting thought into it. But on the VA side I got the impression that they were overwhelmed and learning as they went along. That probably means making a trailer composed entirely of lines from the very beginning wasn't the best way to show off. As for Aoi Yuuki, she's totally off the deep end even by hardcore standards, and puts average Japanese VAs to shame. If you try to find someone to dub James Bond, Connery will make them all look like amateurs, especially if they are amateurs.
:One interesting thing he mentioned was that the dubbers expected a veteran to do the lines in single takes, but they ended up doing lots of retakes and spending time trying to get it right. The JP interviews said they expected to spend a lot of time doing retakes, but ended up nailing things in one shot very often. Kind of reminds me of sports, one team is getting out of their usual comfort zone for a big game, and another is aiming for the championship and has one of those days when they're in the zone and can't be stopped. [[User:KM|KM]] 08:14, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
::So I watched the director and Sayaka interviews. And you're right, the director guy seems to be genuinely enjoying the show and the work he put into it. Sayaka's VA is actually not so bad, either. Not the level of KitaEri, but she'll definitely be one of the better voices of the dub. Any clip of the dub featuring Mami, though, is just... That voice just doesn't suit her. At all.
::I'm curious to hear more scenes of Kyubey and Homura next ;) And well... I just wonder how eps 10-12 will end up in the dub. Those were so epic performances of the original seiyuu, and I can't help being afraid of those eps getting ruined by the English VAs... --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 11:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Is there any method to view those videos outside of US? I'm unable to view those videos. But I'm very interested in them. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 12:20, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::You need some kind of proxy. [http://proxyultra.com/ This one] seems to work pretty well. You can also try eg. ones listed on [http://freenuts.com/top-10-free-online-proxy-websites/ this site] or google "youtube proxy". --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 00:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much. It works. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 19:12, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
::I kind of like the attitude of Mami's VA. She actually may not turn out bad in this role, but it's a totally different way of portraying her than in the Japanese version. Kaori Mizuhashi's Mami is much more cheerful and high-spirited, while Carrie Keranen is just gentle and caring. "Tiro Finale" with American English accent is just awful, though, sorry -_- --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 16:30, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Cristina Vee is awesome. In general, I mean. She contributed to Haruhi dub adverts, she dubbed Mio in K-On, she has some skills and... well, is awesome in general. I liked her interview the best so far. But... she's also NOT the right person to do Homura. The voice just doesn't go together with image well. She would be great as Mami or Sayaka, I guess, but Homura is definitely not the right character for her... I have really weird thoughts about the guys who did the US casting... --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 14:28, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, the Kyoko girl, Lauren Landa. She is certainly the worst among the cast in terms of pronouncing Japanese names. She makes the name of her own character sound more like "Kiyoko" than "Kyoko" :/ But thankfully Kyoko doesn't say people's names too often, and in terms of the actual dialogue, she might actually be better than I expected. She has a totally different voice than Aipon, but it might actually work; she seems to authentically like her character, which will certainly help. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 14:32, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
:: This seems barely noticeable to me, though.... I mean, I'm in the midst of taking my second year of University Japanese (might've been third if I heard about the Japanese program freshman year...), and I'm only hearing some of that now that you and some random youtube poster mentioned it. But even then, it doesn't sound like the "Ki" (き) part of "Kyo" (きょう）is drawn out much, at least not on a consistent basis; it's a subtle enough difference to be overlooked in the bigger scheme of things. I have definitely heard a whole lot worse pronunciations of Japanese names and words, let me tell you. Anyway, we've heard Lauren Landa say "Kyoko" more times in this cast video than she ever will while actually playing the part of Kyoko in the series, so whatever "flubbing" there is here should matter little, as you've kinda already said. On a separate note, I'm really loving what I've heard of Kyoko in the cast video; I'd be lying if I didn't get a big grin stuck on my face after hearing her dub lines between the 0:31 and 0:37 mark. [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 18:02, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
:::It stood out really obviously to me, and felt like there was an extra syllable. I fear the bad habits it might encourage among people who have never heard it in Japanese. But aside from that, I agree that she had more of a Kyoko feel to her than I expected from any dub. [[User:KM|KM]] 23:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

== February 11, 2012 ==
[[File:Madokamine.jpg|thumb|You're MINE, Madoka, MINE MINE MINE!]]
February 11, simulcast Nico broadcast in of Ep 1 in North America, Japan, UK, and Australia with English dubs and Japanese subs. 2012/02/11 (Sat): 13:00 Opening 13:30 (JST). http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv79795448 --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 12:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
:Well, Saturday 13:00 JST is:
:* Friday 20:00 (8 PM) PST (US West Coast)
:* Friday 23:00 (11 PM) EST (US East Coast)
:* Saturday 4:00 (AM) UTC (UK)
:* Saturday 12:00 (noon) WST (Western Australia)
:* Saturday 15:00 (3 PM) AEDT (South-Eastern Australia)
:I think the live stream won't be too popular among UK fans ;) But still, that's great news, it may mean that a UK license is around the corner - hoping heavily for it! --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 19:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, so I actually happened to stay up this late and find a (somewhat) working proxy, so I watch it, until ca. the time Mami shows up, the proxy went down at that time, so I couldn't hear her. Anyway, the dub was better than I thought it'll be, it flowed quite good, and the voices fit. Surprisingly even Homura. QB shows a little bit too much emotion, though. I'll comment on it more once I watch the Mami scenes, but the dub seems OK, definitely not worse than the Italian one. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 05:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:: The thing is, though, didn't Kyubey sound a bit "emotional" himself originally? I just saw all four of the episodes, subbed, of the LE that arrived early for me, and he doesn't seem to be talking with the same lack of passion that we've tended to associated with him after knowing more about him. I feel that many fans have just over-credited Kyubey with an emotionless voice, as if he was fully lacking any personality '''on a vocal level''' for all twelve episodes. Its this beginning part of the series, in this 1-2 episode period before the first big jump down the rabbit hole abyss, that he goes all chirpy salesman the most, and tries to appeal to the girls the most on an emotional level.[[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 04:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm not saying that Kyubey was totally and utterly emotionless in the original. Just that he was noticeably less emotional than in the dub. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 04:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, managed to finish the episode. Well, Mami's voice is definitely the worst part of this dub IMO. I didn't make it to the /a/'s ep2-4 streams, but the lines that are in the Mami's VA video ("Tiro Finale"... OMGWTF) don't help... ;] Well, we won't be hearing her too much anyway xD --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 05:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:I agree that Mami's voice is worst part of the whole thing. On the other hand, Tatsuya's voice is so adorable and Sayaka sounds like KITAERI. I found it pretty weird that they re-dub Anthony voice, though. (Oh I wish I could watch it without lagging every 3 seconds.) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 06:24, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
::Anthonies were dubbed in Italian too. Yes, it's weird. [[User:Kraff|Kraff]] 06:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Maybe the Japanese are just giving copies without Anthonies' voices to the dubbing companies and they have no choice but to redub them. Anyway, the "English" Anthonies were much closer to the original and much better-sounding overall, than the "Italian" ones, at least to my ear. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 13:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

FYI- 37K viewers, 88K comments, overall high approval rating on [[:Media:Ep 1 English Feedback.png|Nico live broadcast of ep 1.]]
:When the stream closed, [[Media:Madokadubnico.PNG |it was reading]] 39,176 visitors and 93,216 comments. [[User:KM|KM]] 10:37, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
::You're confusing the former, which is Japanese Nico with the latter, English Niconico. They're different sites for viewing. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

On another note - anyone else noticed how the Japanese subs were an exact transcript of the original dialogue? Which wasn't a faithful translation of the English audio at times since the dub took liberties here and there. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 13:31, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

==Dub: Episodes 5-8 ==

Huh! It seems like overall wiki community interest has dropped in the Madoka dub. I don't think I've even seen any impressions for anything in episodes 2-4. Beyond a posible lack of interest, perhaps the information that's been coming in from the PSP game has diverted a lot of attention from it, huh? Well, here's some of what I took away from the L.E. Volume 2 set (which admittedly takes some basis in what I've already said on ANN):

Madoka: Cabanos' crying scenes sounded quite nicely done to me, and unlike a few other scenes infused with a lot of vocal emotion, I didn't have any inclination/temptation to directly compare it with the Japanese performance "just to be sure" or anything insecure like that. It felt pitch perfect, really. It's kinda too bad how her character writing kinda limits how much she can do in this set, though.

Homura: Cristina Vee's doing her job as the Magical Girl of Mystery. She sounded an edge bit meaner in her confrontation with Sayaka in episode 8 several seconds before she was about to kill her-- she gave a coolly worded "I don't give a damn if you live or die," or something extremely close to that. Her emotional burst with Madoka felt pretty spot-on, even sounding ''eerily'' like Chiwa Saito when she cried out "Madoka!"

Sayaka: Sarah Williams did a particularly great job here, aptly pulling off her big Emotional Scenes in episodes 7 and 8 and more. She's practically the American Kitamura, for me! That said, I can't help but keep on comparing her and Kitamura's performances of the breakdown in the fight against Elsa Maria at the end of Episode 7/start of Episode 8. I'm definitely liking Kitamura's performance there a bit more-- her voice felt somewhat deeper, more inhuman (and thus more powerfully dissonant from her normal voice for Sayaka) than what Sarah Williams did. No question, Sayaka's breakdown was on clear display in both-- it might be a very subject personal preference, here.

Kyoko: Yep, really liking Lauren Landa as her. She might've most quickly adapted to the role than the other girls, and makes a believable transition into her more serious and stern/ less playful voice in the later episodes. In a few bits (particularly her introductory fight with Sayaka), she sounded fairly similar to Sayaka, but it seemed to be less evident/prevalent/cared about by me as the episodes' content moved along.

Kyubey: Fine in my book-- sounds gender-neutral neutral enough. Really don't have any particularly strong feelings either way for the dub, though I trend more positive. Not as memorable as Emiri Katou-- but then again, Katou didn't pull a win at the 6th Annual Seiyuu Awards for nothing.

Mami: ... Uh, her picture on the front of Aniplex USA's LE box is nice. ;-)

Those Male Hosts on the Train: Well... that was interesting! (lol) The first 2-3 lines sounded like they were spoken by (and please, pardon the use of a stereotype here) black people. There were enough uses of "hoes" to make Sideshow Bob trip and fall unconscious. One of the male hosts even managed the first three-fourths of a low-sounding "motherf*****" before Sayaka cut in, hah. I think the change works more than not-- there really isn't a 1:1 American equivalent for hostess clubs or their hostesses, with the nearest things probably being a night club and, uh... "hoes?" (Yep, hoe was a stand-in for hostess in the spoken dialogue.) And with the dub more or less making those equivalencies, the language sounded dirty enough to evoke the general image that they're scummy misogynous guys and "oh, these guys must come from a night club" or some place like that. (Still, I think the voice director and script adapter might've tried a little too hard, here.)

So, any new thoughts on the voices from any of you guys, yet? [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 04:32, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

==Puella Magi Madoka☆Magica Meet and Greet at Anime Jungle February 17th, 2012==
Celebrating the release of Puella Magi Madoka☆Magica Vol. 1 in North America, Aniplex of America had a special Meet and Greet Event with the English Voice Cast of the series.

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwbtTxpwPd8&feature=youtu.be This is part 1/3 of the Q&A.]

<gallery>
File:Cast picture.jpg
File:Special stamp.jpg
File:Voice cast meeting 2012.jpg
File:Madoka panel booth.jpg
File:Signing merchandise.jpg
</gallery>

File talk:E1-Mall.jpg

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Animerican-Redeemed:

Is that Clip Girl I see in the corner? --[[User:Captchaluff|Captchaluff]] 16:17, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
:The two in the lower right? I don't think that's clip girl, but upon investigation, I think you found two other students from Madoka's class.[[File:GirlAxBackRowBoy.PNG|thumb|left]][[User:KM|KM]] 02:00, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

File talk:E1-Mall.jpg

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Animerican-Redeemed:

Licensing in USA

2012-04-13T19:59:50Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* DVD/Blu-ray release */

[[File:Otakon_Poster.jpg|thumb|150px]]
== Initial News ==
On July 1, 2011, Aniplex USA [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-07-01/aniplex-usa-adds-madoka-magica-blue-exorcist-on-home-video announced] at Anime Expo that they had acquired Puella Magi Madoka license for the US. Since then, Aniplex USA has established a [http://www.madokamagicausa.com/ website] for Madoka, with links to twitter, facebook and youtube channel. The release will have both English subtitles and dub options.

== DVD/Blu-ray release ==
[[File:Madoka-Magica-V1-Assets USA Aniplex.jpg|Volume 1 Limited Edition Box|thumb]]
[[File:1st-Promo-Photo--LE-Box--2.jpeg|Volume 2 Limited Edition Box|thumb]]
[[File:Vol. 2 LE Back-of-Postcard Preview for Vol. 3 LE.png|Volume 3 Limited Edition Box|thumb]]

Aniplex USA [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/madoka-magica-to-get-english-bds-starting-february-14 announced] a three Blu-Ray and DVD release of Puella Magi Madoka Magica at the New York Comic Con panel. The first volume will be released on both Blu-ray Disc and DVD on February 14, 2012. The second volume will follow on April 10, and the third volume will ship on June 12. Pre-orders started on [http://www.madokamagicausa.com/product-combo1.php October 17, 2011]. There will be a limited edition box with the DVD, Blu-ray Disc, and the original soundtrack. The box will also bundle the following: 24-page booklet, a double-sided poster, Kyubey stickers, collectible "Preview Illustrations" of episode 1-4 postcards, a trailer collection, and credit-less opening and ending animation footage.

The following voice actors were announced:

* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=95337 Christine Marie Cabanos] as Madoka
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=95781 Cassandra Lee] as Kyubey
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=104914 Sarah Williams] as Sayaka

On December 16, 2011, Aniplex announced the rest of the key cast:

* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=70779 Lauren Landa] as Kyoko
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=8519 Carrie Keranen] as Mami
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=53287 Cristina Vee] as Homura

The official dubbed trailer has also been released and can be watched on [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laTRlKXrCXk YouTube].

=== Disc Specs ===
Languages: Japanese & English 
Audio: Dolby Digital 2.0 for Blu Ray, Linear PCM for DVD 
Subtitles: English 
Aspect Ratio: 16x9 
Region: no region 
Rating: 13 UP

'''All Volumes''' 
∗ Original Japanese and English languages 
∗ Textless Opening 

'''Volume 1''' 
∗ Ending theme song "Magia" music video by Kalafina 
∗ Trailer collection 

== Online distribution ==
[[File:Madokamine.jpg|thumb|The dub has become a meme even before its release...]]
[[File:Nico dub poll results.jpg|thumb|Poll results]]
=== NicoNico ===
On Friday, February 10th, 20:30 PST (Feb 11, 4:30 UTC), the [[Episode 1|first episode]] with English dub and Japanese subtitles (which were a transcript of the original dialogue) streamed for free on [http://live.niconico.com/watch/lv79795448 Nico2], as well as on Japanese [http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv79795448 Nico Nico Douga]. The broadcast was available in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK and Japan, and has attracted 56485 viewers, who wrote 95826 comments.

After the broadcast, NicoNico conducted a poll to rate the show among the viewers. 78.8% has rated it "very good", 17.0% "OK", 1.5% "not very" and 2.7% "bad".

=== Crunchyroll ===
The anime streaming site [http://www.crunchyroll.com/ Crunchyroll] announced on February 15th that [http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-751053/puella-magi-madoka-magica-comes-to-crunchyroll it has acquired rights to stream the series on the site]. The series will be streamed on a weekly basis, with each episode premiering on Wednesday at 10:00 PST (18:00 UTC).

The series is streamed with original Japanese audio and English subtitles. Up to 1080p quality is available for premium users. The streams are available in North America only.

== Manga ==
[http://www.yenpress.com/ Yen Press] [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/yen-press-adds-madoka-magica-soul-eater-not-yuki-chan announced] at the New York Comic Con that it licensed the [[Madoka Magica (manga)|Puella Magi Madoka Magica manga]], story by Magica Quartet, art by Hanokage.

The first volume will be released in May 2012, the second in August 2012 and the third and final volume in December 2012. Each volume will retail at $11.99 and contain approximately 144 pages. Manga description from [http://www.yenpress.com/puella-magi-madoka-magica/ Yen Press]:

''When a new girl joins her class, Madoka Kaname feels she recognizes the mysterious, dark-haired transfer student from one of her dreams…a dream where she is approached by a cat-like creature who offers Madoka an opportunity to change destiny. Madoka had always thought magic was the stuff of fantasy…until she sees the transfer student fighting with the very cat-being from her dream! And just like in Madoka’s dream, the cat gives her a choice: Will Madoka become a Puella Magi in exchange for her dearest desire? What will be the cost of having her wish come true?''

== Gallery ==
=== Blu-ray/DVD Volume 1 ===
<gallery>
File:Aniplex QB valentine and madoka limited edition box set.jpg
File:Limited edition box set front and back.jpg
File:Madoka limt ed box inside.jpg
File:Animeplex goodies limited ed box.jpg
File:Animeplex limited ed ost.jpg
File:Collection of end card illustrations.jpg
File:Www.dotup.org2636915.jpg
File:Gertrud+Little Anthonies+Victims of Mustaches.JPG
</gallery>

=== Blu-ray/DVD Volume 2 ===
<gallery>
File:Vol. 2 LE Mami Tomoe.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE Sayaka Miki.JPG
File:VoL. 2 LE Box Contents.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery-1.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery-2.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE BD-DVD Combo Outside-Case.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE BD-DVD Combo Inside.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE OST 2 Outside.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE OST 2 Inside.JPG
</gallery>

== See Also ==
* [[Translated_Official_Documents_Miscellaneous#Overseas.2FInternational_Licensing|Other International Licensing]]
* [[Translated_Official_Documents|Translated magazines]]

== External links ==
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2011/otakon/8 ANN on the Madoka premiere viewing Q&A]
* [http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/07/30-1/otakon-2011-atsuhiro-iwakami-all-about-madoka Crunchyroll on Atsuhiro Iwakami panel]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CTHwEZK2JA Aniplex USA Madoka trailer with translated subs]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DhMzOA9l8c Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Madoka Kaname]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlXbnOfi1WA Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Voice Director]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvQp-SWibyQ Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Sayaka Miki]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_XJIN6oW8 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Mami Tomoe]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIpYnJyf-0 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Homura Akemi]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fkNH0YjLh4 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Kyubey]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9eW0IDrQ0Y Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Kyoko Sakura]

Licensing in USA

2012-04-13T19:48:28Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* Gallery */

[[File:Otakon_Poster.jpg|thumb|150px]]
== Initial News ==
On July 1, 2011, Aniplex USA [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-07-01/aniplex-usa-adds-madoka-magica-blue-exorcist-on-home-video announced] at Anime Expo that they had acquired Puella Magi Madoka license for the US. Since then, Aniplex USA has established a [http://www.madokamagicausa.com/ website] for Madoka, with links to twitter, facebook and youtube channel. The release will have both English subtitles and dub options.

== DVD/Blu-ray release ==
[[File:Madoka-Magica-V1-Assets USA Aniplex.jpg|Volume 1 Limited Edition Box|thumb]]
[[File:1st-Promo-Photo--LE-Box--2.jpeg|Volume 2 Limited Edition Box|thumb]]

Aniplex USA [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/madoka-magica-to-get-english-bds-starting-february-14 announced] a three Blu-Ray and DVD release of Puella Magi Madoka Magica at the New York Comic Con panel. The first volume will be released on both Blu-ray Disc and DVD on February 14, 2012. The second volume will follow on April 10, and the third volume will ship on June 12. Pre-orders started on [http://www.madokamagicausa.com/product-combo1.php October 17, 2011]. There will be a limited edition box with the DVD, Blu-ray Disc, and the original soundtrack. The box will also bundle the following: 24-page booklet, a double-sided poster, Kyubey stickers, collectible "Preview Illustrations" of episode 1-4 postcards, a trailer collection, and credit-less opening and ending animation footage.

The following voice actors were announced:

* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=95337 Christine Marie Cabanos] as Madoka
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=95781 Cassandra Lee] as Kyubey
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=104914 Sarah Williams] as Sayaka

On December 16, 2011, Aniplex announced the rest of the key cast:

* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=70779 Lauren Landa] as Kyoko
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=8519 Carrie Keranen] as Mami
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=53287 Cristina Vee] as Homura

The official dubbed trailer has also been released and can be watched on [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laTRlKXrCXk YouTube].

=== Disc Specs ===
Languages: Japanese & English 
Audio: Dolby Digital 2.0 for Blu Ray, Linear PCM for DVD 
Subtitles: English 
Aspect Ratio: 16x9 
Region: no region 
Rating: 13 UP

'''All Volumes''' 
∗ Original Japanese and English languages 
∗ Textless Opening 

'''Volume 1''' 
∗ Ending theme song "Magia" music video by Kalafina 
∗ Trailer collection 

== Online distribution ==
[[File:Madokamine.jpg|thumb|The dub has become a meme even before its release...]]
[[File:Nico dub poll results.jpg|thumb|Poll results]]
=== NicoNico ===
On Friday, February 10th, 20:30 PST (Feb 11, 4:30 UTC), the [[Episode 1|first episode]] with English dub and Japanese subtitles (which were a transcript of the original dialogue) streamed for free on [http://live.niconico.com/watch/lv79795448 Nico2], as well as on Japanese [http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv79795448 Nico Nico Douga]. The broadcast was available in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK and Japan, and has attracted 56485 viewers, who wrote 95826 comments.

After the broadcast, NicoNico conducted a poll to rate the show among the viewers. 78.8% has rated it "very good", 17.0% "OK", 1.5% "not very" and 2.7% "bad".

=== Crunchyroll ===
The anime streaming site [http://www.crunchyroll.com/ Crunchyroll] announced on February 15th that [http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-751053/puella-magi-madoka-magica-comes-to-crunchyroll it has acquired rights to stream the series on the site]. The series will be streamed on a weekly basis, with each episode premiering on Wednesday at 10:00 PST (18:00 UTC).

The series is streamed with original Japanese audio and English subtitles. Up to 1080p quality is available for premium users. The streams are available in North America only.

== Manga ==
[http://www.yenpress.com/ Yen Press] [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/yen-press-adds-madoka-magica-soul-eater-not-yuki-chan announced] at the New York Comic Con that it licensed the [[Madoka Magica (manga)|Puella Magi Madoka Magica manga]], story by Magica Quartet, art by Hanokage.

The first volume will be released in May 2012, the second in August 2012 and the third and final volume in December 2012. Each volume will retail at $11.99 and contain approximately 144 pages. Manga description from [http://www.yenpress.com/puella-magi-madoka-magica/ Yen Press]:

''When a new girl joins her class, Madoka Kaname feels she recognizes the mysterious, dark-haired transfer student from one of her dreams…a dream where she is approached by a cat-like creature who offers Madoka an opportunity to change destiny. Madoka had always thought magic was the stuff of fantasy…until she sees the transfer student fighting with the very cat-being from her dream! And just like in Madoka’s dream, the cat gives her a choice: Will Madoka become a Puella Magi in exchange for her dearest desire? What will be the cost of having her wish come true?''

== Gallery ==
=== Blu-ray/DVD Volume 1 ===
<gallery>
File:Aniplex QB valentine and madoka limited edition box set.jpg
File:Limited edition box set front and back.jpg
File:Madoka limt ed box inside.jpg
File:Animeplex goodies limited ed box.jpg
File:Animeplex limited ed ost.jpg
File:Collection of end card illustrations.jpg
File:Www.dotup.org2636915.jpg
File:Gertrud+Little Anthonies+Victims of Mustaches.JPG
</gallery>

=== Blu-ray/DVD Volume 2 ===
<gallery>
File:Vol. 2 LE Mami Tomoe.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE Sayaka Miki.JPG
File:VoL. 2 LE Box Contents.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery-1.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery-2.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE BD-DVD Combo Outside-Case.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE BD-DVD Combo Inside.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE OST 2 Outside.JPG
File:Vol. 2 LE OST 2 Inside.JPG
</gallery>

== See Also ==
* [[Translated_Official_Documents_Miscellaneous#Overseas.2FInternational_Licensing|Other International Licensing]]
* [[Translated_Official_Documents|Translated magazines]]

== External links ==
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2011/otakon/8 ANN on the Madoka premiere viewing Q&A]
* [http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/07/30-1/otakon-2011-atsuhiro-iwakami-all-about-madoka Crunchyroll on Atsuhiro Iwakami panel]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CTHwEZK2JA Aniplex USA Madoka trailer with translated subs]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DhMzOA9l8c Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Madoka Kaname]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlXbnOfi1WA Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Voice Director]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvQp-SWibyQ Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Sayaka Miki]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_XJIN6oW8 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Mami Tomoe]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIpYnJyf-0 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Homura Akemi]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fkNH0YjLh4 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Kyubey]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9eW0IDrQ0Y Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Kyoko Sakura]

File:Vol. 2 LE OST 2 Inside.JPG

2012-04-13T19:41:14Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

File:Vol. 2 LE OST 2 Outside.JPG

2012-04-13T19:39:40Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

File:Vol. 2 LE BD-DVD Combo Outside-Case.JPG

2012-04-13T19:38:32Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

File:Vol. 2 LE BD-DVD Combo Inside.JPG

2012-04-13T19:36:26Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

File:Vol. 2 LE Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery-2.JPG

2012-04-13T19:33:51Z

Animerican-Redeemed: Inu Curry material related to more H.N. Elly and the Inu Daruma Brothers

Inu Curry material related to more H.N. Elly and the Inu Daruma Brothers

File:Vol. 2 LE Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery-1.JPG

2012-04-13T19:29:11Z

Animerican-Redeemed: uploaded a new version of "File:Vol. 2 LE Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery-1.JPG"

Inu Curry material related to Charlotte and H.N. Elly

File:Vol. 2 LE Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery-1.JPG

2012-04-13T19:26:44Z

Animerican-Redeemed: Inu Curry material related to Charlotte and H.N. Elly

Inu Curry material related to Charlotte and H.N. Elly

File:VoL. 2 LE Box Contents.JPG

2012-04-13T19:23:38Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

File:Vol. 2 LE Sayaka Miki.JPG

2012-04-13T19:22:06Z

Animerican-Redeemed: The back cover of Aniplex USA's 2nd LE Volume

The back cover of Aniplex USA's 2nd LE Volume

File:Vol. 2 LE Mami Tomoe.JPG

2012-04-13T19:19:54Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

Talk:Sakura-Con 2012 Interview

2012-04-13T06:22:19Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

''I always loved to read H.P. Lovecraft'' ~ this doesnt surprise me at all... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 15:51, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

'''Regarding the Second Interview'''

''The original idea was to have a concluding story within the original series but through producer Iwakami and director Akiyuki Shinbo's enthusiastic support we decided we wanted something expandable as a world and concept. We wanted to make it have more breadth and be a bridge to the world view within the series and the franchise.''

This strikes me as most interesting... we haven't heard anything like this before, have we? So... does this mean that the stories of any of the characters we've come to know and love will really not take up the foreground material of the movie? That there really won't be a so-called concluding element to the vague last several seconds of the series? (Not like I'm desperate for one, or anything-- it was pretty darn conclusive in most all other aspects!-- but this does seem to go against the expectations I originally held...) [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 06:22, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Sakura-Con 2012 Interview (the ANN Exclusive)

2012-04-13T05:04:08Z

Animerican-Redeemed: Created page with "''The original idea was to have a concluding story within the original series but through producer Iwakami and director Akiyuki Shinbo's enthusiastic support we decided we wan..."

''The original idea was to have a concluding story within the original series but through producer Iwakami and director Akiyuki Shinbo's enthusiastic support we decided we wanted something expandable as a world and concept. We wanted to make it have more breadth and be a bridge to the world view within the series and the franchise.''

This strikes me as most interesting... we haven't heard anything like this before, have we? So... does this mean that the stories of any of the characters we've come to know and love will really not take up the foreground material of the movie? That there really won't be a so-called concluding element to the vague last several seconds of the series? (Not like I'm desperate for one, or anything-- it was pretty darn conclusive in most all other aspects!-- but this does seem to go against the expectations I originally held...)

Madoka Magica Movie

2012-04-13T04:45:43Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

News

2012-04-05T20:23:50Z

Animerican-Redeemed: Episode 5 Madoka Dub Premiere

==April 2012==
;April 6th
:Premiere of English-dubbed episode 5 for US, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada at [http://live.niconico.com/watch/lv85885951 Nico2] (English)

==March 2012==
;March 28th
:Countdown to ''[[Madoka Magica]]'' stage at [http://www.animecontentsexpo.jp/stageinfo/index.html#stage_41 Anime Contents Expo 2012] at ''Makuhari Messe'' on April 1. Broadcast at [http://live.nicovideo.jp/gate/lv84329450 Nicovideo].
;March 15th
:A roguelike RPG based on ''[[Madoka Magica]]'' story, ''[[Madoka Magica Portable|Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]'' went on sale in Japan.

==February 2012==
;February 10th
:Premiere of English-dubbed episode 1 for US, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Japan at [http://live.niconico.com/watch/lv79795448 Nico2] (English) or [http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv79795448 Nicovideo] (Japanese).
;February 15th
:Puella Magi Madoka Magica starts streaming in North America on [http://www.crunchyroll.com/madoka CrunchyRoll].
;February 16th
:Puella Magi Madoka Magica received a Best TV Animation Award at the [[2012 Tokyo International Anime Fair]].

==January 2012==
;January 14th
:''The Puella Magi Wiki'' is One Year Old! It has been one year since this wiki started, the day after [[Episode 2]] aired. At that time, the wiki was mainly meant to gather the theories, speculation and findings discussed in the [[Threads|Madoka Threads]], and not that much of canon or official information. It is only after that that it started to grow and include other kinds of information.
;January 7th
:''Puella Magi Madoka Magica'' One Year Anniversary: It has been one year since Madoka Magica initial airing!

==December 2011==
;December 21st
:A browser-based, multi-player ''[[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Online]]'' announced. More information at the [http://mm.my-gg.com/ official website].
;December 15th
:Puella Magi Madoka Magica [http://twitter.com/#!/madoka_magica/status/147168054927826945 awarded] 2011 Animation Grand Prize in the [[Japan Media Arts Festival 2011|Japanese Media Arts Festival]].

==November 2011==
;November 25th
:[[Madoka Secret Project]] announced.

;November 7th
:Puella Magi Madoka Magica movie series announced! More information in [[NewType 2011-12|this month's issue of NewType Magazine]].

==October 2011==
;October 14
:Puella Magi Madoka Magica has had a three-volume BD/DVD release confirmed by Aniplex USA, with a special collector's box announced and Madoka's, Kyuubey's, and Sayaka's VAs announced. Pre-orders go up Oct. 17th, and the first volume will be released February 14th. [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/madoka-magica-to-get-english-bds-starting-february-14 Details here].

;October 8th
:Puella Magi Madoka Magica won awards in twelve categories, including best TV animation and director, in [http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/?no=4471 NewType's new annual anime awards]. Madoka previously won another award this year, [[Animation Kobe 2011|Anime Kobe 2011 TV Feature Award]].

;October 3rd
:Happy birthday Madoka!

== September 2011 ==
;September 21st
:The sixth (and last) volume of ''Puella Magi Madoka Magica'' is now available in Japan. Along with the two last episodes of the series, and the usual [[Blu-Ray_Volume_6_Booklet|booklet]] (including Ume Aoki's 4koma), this volume is also shipped with the third part of the [[Soundtrack#OST_Volume_3|soundtrack]] (containing some of the most-awaited tracks of the series). [[Products#Blu-Ray_Discs|More information]] -- [http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B004XCMYEG/ Buy at Amazon Japan]

;September 3rd
:The official website announced that '''Puella Magi Madoka Magica''' has won the Best Television award at the 2011 (16th) Animation Kobe Awards.[[http://www.anime-kobe.jp/anime-kobe/ Details]]

== August 2011 ==

;August 24th
:The fifth Blu-Ray/DVD volume is out! It contains Episodes [[Episode 9|9]] and [[Episode 10|10]], as well as the third [[Drama CD 3|Drama CD]], Sayaka and Kyoko's character song, and the usual [[Blu-Ray_Volume_5_Booklet#Ume_Aoki_.2F_4koma_Part_Five|4koma]] by Aoki Ume. [[Products#Blu-Ray_Discs|More information]] -- [http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B004RCJJFE/ Buy at Amazon Japan]

;August 8th
:On the 8th of August a PSP game was announced. The game will be a dungeon adventure RPG featuring the original storyline including new plots. There are 2 editions planned: Regular edition: 6480 yen Limited Edition: 11900 yen. Includes a figma (Madoka School Uniform ver.), BD, QB Pouch, Handkerchief and more
:''(source needed)''

;August 2nd
:Aniplex announced they would release a 496-pages-long archive book ("Puella Magi Madoka Magica Production Notes") at Comiket 80 (Aug. 12-14, Tokyo). [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-08-02/madoka-magica-496-page-archive-weighs-in-at-1.6-kg More information at animenewsnetwork]

== July 2011 ==

;July 31st
:Aniplex of America announced at Otakon that Madoka Magica would get an English dub. [[Aniplex_USA_Madoka_Premiere#Summary_of_Observations_of_the_Iwakami_Q.26A|More information]]

;July 30th
:Madoka Magica has now premiered in the US, at Otakon (Baltimore, Maryland). [[Aniplex USA Madoka Premiere|More information]]

;July, 27th
:Madoka Magica BD/DVD vol. 4 is out. Along with [[Episode 7]] and [[Episode 8|8]], this volume also features the long-awaited [[Soundtrack#OST_Volume_2|Original Soundtrack, Volume 2]] 
:[[Products#Blu-Ray_Discs|More information]] -- [http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B004P4RTKQ/ Buy at Amazon Japan]

Talk:Madoka Magica Movie

2012-04-01T06:21:08Z

Animerican-Redeemed: Movie title comment

Talk:Madoka Magica Portable

2012-03-20T21:19:43Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* Regarding Kyousuke Hate */

[[File:Happy madokami psp fanart.jpg|right|200px]]

"T - The reason why we chose PSP was not because it could only be done in PSP but because we thought what game console is used by the people who watched Madoka." <3 <3 <3 --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 18:31, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
* ...And here I am stuck with the 3DS. 

On another note, would anyone translate the Famitsu article? I've heard some people say it mentions the possibility other characters become witches, and I'd like additional confirmation.-- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 00:23, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trailer==
Trailer's been released: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JJ1JLv3UCs&feature=player_embedded --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 03:25, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:The second trailer is remade in the official web site. It contains more information than the previous C81 edition. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
::I'm courious that why Kouko can use Rosso Fantasma? Did't she lost that ability before the time point Homura can get back? [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 00:39, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
:::It's possible you can help the girls change and recover to some degree, just like you can witchify them. Plus, this game also has Moemura, there's probably some sequences set in the past. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 01:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

== Limited edition handkerchief ==
"The "HomuHomu Handkerchief" in the Limited Edition has the identical design as the one used in the anime scene where Homura folded out a handkerchief and sat on it. I really hope that people can share the feeling of Homura sitting on a handkerchief."

LOL Japan. Imagine what a creepy otaku could do with it. - [[User:Lord of the Kakapos|Lord of the Kakapos]] 10:09, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

== Website Updated ==
Just a heads up that the game's website updated. There doesn't seem to be anything important, but it might be worth keeping an eye on it anyway - I'm half-expecting witch cards. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
*I'm expecting Witch cards soon as well. They did say there would be some new ones. [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 10:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
* Okay, it's been updated again, and it ''looks'' like something's happening at the Tokyo Game Show next week. I'm not really sure. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 18:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
:If there's anything worthwhile, I'll be posting it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
::Nothing worth mentioning that I've seen at the Tokyo Game show. It is one of many games where a brief preview's shown on the screen, among a bunch of other previews for upcoming games. That's it. I can't even find a video of it, only some blurry pics not even worth posting. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:22, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Welp, the site's been updated again, and it looks like a pretty big update. Not sure about everything, but under the section called "Application" there seems to be something about Mami blasting away at Charlotte.--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:22, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm gonna guess that it's a mini-game that will be available on the site on a certain date. (in this case, 14 of October)--[[Special:Contributions/84.77.58.17|84.77.58.17]] 15:03, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

And the site is updated again. It looks like it's just a picture, and a picture of a keychain...but I can't tell who's on the keychain. It ''looks'' like Mami doing a Tiro Finale, but the colors are off. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:00, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
:I can only see 2 newer special gift. One is a telephone card with Mami & Kyubey sleeping. The other is a keychain with an hourglass on it. Also it seem they provide a new version of game which supports iPad resolution now. But I cannot confirm it now. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

==Music==
What do we know about the music that will be used in the game? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:55, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
:Nothing in particular. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 01:12, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

== Mami's Heart Pounding Tiro Finale ==

*I feel Charlotte's attack style is really dumb. I won't get hurt by it. I'm always beaten by familiars... [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 17:50, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
**Besides the video on the website, are there any other videos of gameplay? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 19:00, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
*** It's not easy to take video from an iPod touch. I also searched Nico video and found nothing but PV. But it might be too early for now. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 03:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
**** There's one [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdZE3cjjwQQ here]. (No Charlotte, though.) [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 04:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
*The game is commented badly as boring, monotonous, and dull. Some players commented it could be a paid game if it had been made funny. The pattern of enemy appearance is the same every time. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 22:32, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
** The first update is provided today. Charlotte now can make her diving attack on Mami. Familiars also attack with Charlotte. Now it's not that boring. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 14:24, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
*** Something also happens when 600 people think 140,000 points...I ''think''.
**** Yep. According to the website, it's... a cell phone background! Er, at least, I think that's what it means by "携帯待ち受けプレゼント". Something like that. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 22:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
[[File:Angry madokami psp fanart.jpg|right|200px|]]

*I have played both iPhone and Android versions. I played the iPhone version on an iPod touch (4th generation), and Android version on Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo. I feel the iPhone version more comfortable to play. Sometimes the enemy is moving and born too fast, and sometimes I feel it very show to shoot on Android version. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 07:54, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

:Suddenly I have some ideas about the game, although I won't expect they will do it. It seems there is some capability to expand more stages. Here are some imaginary stages I feel wonderful:
:* Gertrud. Mami is still protecting Madoka and Sayaka. The enemies are different style in both shape and form of attack.
:* Izabel. Mami and Madoka are protecting Homura. Madoka is controlled by CPU, or even better, controlled by 2P if some network gaming is available. But if Homura is got hit, then mission is failed.
:* Patricia. She is immune to both Mami's and Madoka's attack. Only Homura(as NPC) can defeat her. But You have to protect Homura from familiars first. As a magical girl, Homura(in Moemura form) can bear some hits, but not many. The direction is changed to vertical, and Patricia is at the highest point. Mami must jump on lines to reach her, and both Madoka and Homura will follow her. After the witch appears, there is a timer start counting down. Homura must not be killed before the timer reaching zero. After time up, Homura will automatically set the bomb to kill Patricia.
:But most likely they will only be in my imagination. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 17:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

* Oh no! I don't want to say 'I am such an idoit' when I get the PSP game. I have made a limited contract... [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 09:03, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

*OK, I have updated this game and played it. I feel it buggy. I don't know how to choose Homura. I also can't use magic anymore. The magic meter is increasing indeed, but no matter how much it accmulated, I can't use magic! I always lose because the barrier protecting Madoka and Sayaka broken! Besides, it get harder in Ophelia's stage. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 01:59, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
:Finally I have found a way to use special attacks and defeated Ophelia. But I couldn't upload my result. I wonder it caused by blocking IP from outsides of Japan. Currently, when you have enough magic and want to use it, press the pause icon and choose the 2nd one. Then you returned to title. There is one additional button to continue. Choose continue and wait a little moment then you can use your special attack. I defeat Ophelia by repeating doing this way. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 04:11, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

[[File:MamiTiro_Astonishing_Image_preview.jpg|right|200px|]]
* There are over 2000 players cleared Ophelia's stage. The image which is said to be astonishing is partially revealed. Mami as singer? It seems NBGI have some plans related with Idol Master, which is also made into game by NBGI. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 02:15, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
: When you get the entire picture revealed, please post it! I'd love to see Mami as an idol! [[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 03:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I have uploaded it. They said details will be revealed in upcoming Dengeki PlayStation Vol.514.

== Gameplay Mechanics Note ==
You know, this is insane ridiculous speculation, but the way the gameplay mechanics are described makes me think we ''might'' see a new character. Or alternatively, magical girl Hitomi. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 00:02, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
:I hope so, too. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 00:10, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

== Madoka USA ==
This is just a thought, but I wonder since we have a following in America. If DVD and blu-ray sales show strong numbers, perhaps that could convince them to release the game in English, if they think there is a market for it? I am sure localizing a game is not easy but Madoka does has some recognition in the US, albeit not sure how strong it is, but surely the numbers must be good enough to justify to chance it... Of course the gameplay must be good enough too.--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:20, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

== Kyouko's School Uniform ==
Ok, there is the artwork but now the character profile, seems to indicate she goes to the same school like the other characters. What are we going to do regarding this information?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:Nothing, because we don't know the story behind it. She's been in a school uniform in the official art for the game (the teaparty box cover) for a while now, but we don't know why. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:49, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
::Maybe she will transfer into Mitakihara Middle school if some condition met, just as Kyousuke being a guitarist. Who knows. BTW, there are something new on their official web site but I cannot view bigger images of something like Mami's witch form. Is there anyone having the same problem? [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:47, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
::I also have problems only with those images. I thought it's because I can run the latest version of Adobe Flash Player for technical reasons in my current set-up, but maybe it's a problem on their side afterall. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 19:50, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

== Translated script ==

A rather straightforward question: Think there'll be one? If this was for PC, no doubt a patch would be out fairly quick, but seeing as it's for PSP, that's not an option... --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 21:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:It typically takes a long time (years) for a patch to come out. I expect because tri4 has committed to it, that Madoka will be faster than most. It's possible too they may be willing to let out a transcript before the game integration if asked nicely. Still, you're looking at months. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:56, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::I used to be in the PSP homebrew scene, kinda lost my track though. Perhaps that's why I wasn't considering a patch an option. Uh. Well, doubt I'll manage to hold back on playing anyway, but thanks. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Yeah, it could be patched like with Idolm@ster. Best way to know is ask tri4 directly since they're the ones translating it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 07:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Know if anyone translated the menu/interface? As a veteran gamer and a biology student, I'll carry on suing a scientific approach which I'm sure you can guess (hey, worked for Initial D), but... --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 17:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Visit [http://tri4.net/subs/articles/45/game-mahou-shoujo-madoka-magika-portable#comment tri4] for latest status. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::...well balls, none of that was there last night. But again, I really shouldn't be surprised. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 18:30, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

==Dobokeru==
"Dobokeru" can mean daze, but since this is Kyubey, wouldn't it make more sense to use the other definition, "deceive"? He does have a history of pretending to not know the truth now and then. It just seems a little more in character for him. [[User:Honeykiss|Honeykiss]] 16:33, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:Again, I don't know many words in English. It is possible that I can't make clear the difference among those words. So please have them fixed if you find more proper words. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

==Names==
One quick question, does anyone know if the game will reveal the name of Mami's parents or of Kyoko's? It is probably a long shot in the dark but if we are dealing with some of the girls routes one can never know, but what the hell may as well just ask... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 13:46, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

==New Trailer==
[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-02-24/madoka-magica-portable-psp-game-3rd-promo-streamed Right here.] Some stuff we knew, some stuff we didn't know but expect, and one surprise. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 02:59, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

== Live broadcast ==

There will be a program in NBGI's network broadcast channel:

http://www.bandainamcogames.co.jp/cs/event/bnltv/

on Mar 14, 2012, at 21:00(Tokyo time). Both Kaori Mizuhashi and Ai Nonaka will be there, talking about various stuff about the game. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 02:33, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

==Screen Shots ==
[http://imgur.com/a/5Luxh/noscript Some 70+ PSP game screenshots!] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

==Game Difficulty==
[[File:Is this a game or is this hell.jpg|right|300px|thumb|There is no evidence to suggest that Gen Urobuchi messed with the difficult settings, then again...]]
Some sources say that the game is difficult to beat, is there some reliable way to determine this, also what kind of difficult settings are there? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 14:12, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:I'm betting the source of OP information is the Not-Ayase blog. The blog contains too much misinformation to be a reliable source. I've watched a player playthrough of the first loop in UST (to about beginning of episode 6 of anime) and from few play impression in 2ch, the game doesn't seems ''that'' hard but you have to be very careful, for example:
:*Any actions can raise Emotion Points.
:*SG can become muddy easier if the point is high.
:*You can't use GS to cleanse a completely mudded SG.
:*You can't use any skill that uses MP if SG is completely mudded.
:*Recovery items are rare.
:*It's impossible to know when to press Q-button.
:*If you're surrounded by 4 familiars, turns will be "You -> Familiar -> Familiar -> Familiar -> Familiar".
:I never heard anything about half-witch mode, though. The producer said game is designed so you can get into Witch route easily but the game will become easier as you play it more since Karma Points directly reflects default statuses at the start of game. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:I watch the video and think it is turn-based. You take one turn no matter move or attack, and all enemies also take one turn each. If many enemies are around you, you will get multiple hits. So you have to think some smart way to move to prevent such situation. That makes me remember about the original Ultima. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that there is no [[:file:Homutree.png|Homura magic tree]] posted in the page as of yet --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:Look at the file links. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 09:55, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::I would have thought Homura would have her own subsection... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

There is some mention that the saves should be more easier, specially if they have to go through long dialogues just to catch up from where they died... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

== Live gameplay ==
Go see it...it's running right now: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mdoka-debu --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:51, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:Some recordings:
*Part 1 (Beginning ~ Charlotte)http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21096661
*Part 2 (Charlotte ~ Elly)http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21098918
*Part 3 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21102551

== Just a heads up ==

To anyone playing from the Memory Stick, the game freezes after talking to Homura on the bridge and going to the city map. Gotta wait for a patch. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 12:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:Please refer to [http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/62778912/#62781688 this thread] for workarounds. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 13:02, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::I did see that before, just... ugh, that'd be annoying, and knowing myself, veeeeery prone for forgetfulness. Then again, how could I expect not to suffer with this game? --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Make sure to convert to CSO first. That will save you from the tutorial freezes. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 17:26, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I did that, it's running smooth. Still freezes on video sequences though, gotta skip them - hopefully, they're nothing but clips from the anime. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 15:05, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Another method would be to set the PSP to sleep Mode before a specific part of the game freezes. I have yet to attempt this for the part where Mami first reveals to Sayaka and Madoka what a Grief Seed does. [[Special:Contributions/188.221.222.125|188.221.222.125]] 09:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== About spoiler in PSP game ==
I heard many players got a lot of bad endings. It might not be proper to write them in the game page since there are too much information there. Is there any plan for these? --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:50, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:My suggestion, make a new page with a spoiler heading. This will be a subpage for PSP Game Endings. Then provide a short description of what it is and a link to it from the main PSP game page. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 17:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:Since PSP game is separated into chapters, better create new page with title something like [[Madoka Magica Portable Chapter 1: As If We Met in a Dream...]] (suggestion) and put information related to PSP game there. See [[Talk:Main Page]] for more info about reorganizing. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::I'm not sure, routes might make more sense. That's how the Japanese wiki is separating them. So far I only really know about the Madoka Kaname route which is basically a tutorial one. Very straight-forward, closely follows anime, not many choices but apparently always ends with Madoka contracting to save Sayaka and Homura resets. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 19:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::I think it still make sense to have a separate page for each route (chapters) though, we can always put information such as possible routes within chapter, Q-button timing, and such in it in an organized manner. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes, separate pages is good, I'm suggesting routes rather than chapters, as that's how the game does it. Plus, you have to finish the Madoka Kaname route first, then I think some other routes (not sure on the exact parameters) before you can do the Homura route. Only then can you unlock the bonus route. The Japanese wiki also separates by days and morning/noon/evening for time period (it is 30 days to Walpurgis in all routes) since that's what you see at the top of the map screen. It's easier to track than chapters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 19:32, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Hmm, I still want to use the official "title" for each routes (that's why I'm calling it chapter). For example, "As If We Met Met in a Dream..." for Madoka route, "Only If You Are By My Side" for Mami's route, etc. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:39, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::I see. I thought you were using them to refer to episodes rather than character routes...since the Madoka route goes to roughly ep. 8 and I think the rest of the routes go to ep. 12. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 19:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, seems like Madoka's route is the only one with a fixed ending. I've asked my friend to list <strike>first three</strike> all chapters in the game:
:::::::*{{Nihongo|夢の中で逢った、ような…|As If We Met in a Dream...}} —Madoka route
:::::::*{{Nihongo|あなたが側にいてくれるなら|Only If You Are By My Side}} —Mami route
:::::::*{{Nihongo|運命はきっと変えられる|The Destiny Could Be Changed}} —Homura route
:::::::*{{Nihongo|私が願った、奇跡|The Wish I Prayed For}} —Sayaka route
:::::::*{{Nihongo|残された最後の希望だったんだ|It Was The Last Path Left}} —Kyouko route
:::::::*{{Nihongo|想いは現実を越える|A Wish Can Surpass Reality}} —Bonus route
:::::::--[[User:0x99|0x99]] 20:00, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::: Maybe something has to be unlocked before you can get a different ending to the Madoka route? --[[Special:Contributions/83.108.126.230|83.108.126.230]] 20:55, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::::: I'm not sure about that as I've never seen any report of someone able to break the fixed ending of Madoka's route. It may be possible but nobody, so far, has found a way to. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 22:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::In my opinion, it's better to use something like 'Someone's Route' as title because it is easier to understand and search. Also the title can be shorten. I suggest the "official title" to be subtitle in those pages. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 02:33, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::The reason I want to put full title in the page name because of consistency (so game, manga, anime, etc. uses the same format). --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I'm confused by this because that's not how the pages are named. Anime episode pages are just "Episode 1" not "Episode 1: As if We Met in A Dream", they don't have the full name. Ditto for manga subpages, they also have short names. It still seems confusing to me to name pages for the game after episodic titles, when the game is divided into routes. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 15:52, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::I'm referring to the reorganization plan in the [[Talk:Main Page]]. The game is divide into multiple routes with title for each routes (see above), you have to select the route you want to play right when the game starts. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 17:22, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Homura's Majo ==

This is a spoiler so I'm going to hide this stuff inside a collapsable table. Please reply inside the spoilers table.

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This is mentioned in 2ch, but [[:File:Homulilly.jpg|"HOMULILLY"]] (click to see) seems to be Homura's Majo. Her Majo is represented with a disc on the top with infinite sign. Her witch type is {{Nihongo|此岸の魔女|Shigan no Majō}} which basically means "Witch of Mortal World" (i.e. the opposite of [[wikipedia:Higan|Higan]]). Witch runes below reads "Game Over". I'm not sure how reliable this is, can anyone who've played (or have access to special BD/DVD with unlock codes) confirm? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:I saw this on 2ch and it seemed like people weren't taking it seriously...which makes me think along with the name which is clearly a joke, that it's probably a fan shop. Unfortunately, I'm pretty busy so I won't personally be getting to the Homu route for a couple days at least, to verify. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 20:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::Possibly because they're trying to avoid spoilers. I've found someone mentions HOMULILLY do exists in the DVD/BD special (unlock required), but you can't fight with her (the game is Game Over instantly) so there's no witch card for her. Will probably have to wait few days for confirmation. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 20:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::They could have at lead given us her nature and description --[[SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 20:15, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::That's the problem—nature and description are in witch card (like the one for [[:File:ITZLI_info.jpg|Itzli]]) which appears after you defeat the witch but you can't defeat Homulilly in the game. (Also I found it pretty funny her witch name is literally {{Nihongo|"Homu Yuri"|ほむ百合}}, which make it even more confusing whether this is real or fake.) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 20:20, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Anyhow, if not real that must be the best fan made witch ever. IDK, Gekidan Inucurry might have put a weird name on purpose, after the Kyubey witch anything is possible. --[[User:Derp101|Derp101]] 20:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::Homulilly might not be her name but actually "Homu Yuri" and she gets to be together with Kriemhild Gretchen. That is one sick ending bro! --[[User:Derp101|Derp101]] 21:33, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Doujins where?! --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:OK, I was able to verify where it's from. It's from an unlocked (therefore not hidden) gallery of Inu-Curry. If you look [[:File:PSP Inu Curry Art Gallery.jpg|here]], the first two images show the menu screens. The remainder are examples of what's in the gallery. There's images that are work-in-progress designs and some that look surreal enough they may just be art designs, that are not actually in the game. The Production Note had that where some of Inu Curry real designs were right next to pages of designs that never made it into the anime. Unfortunately, it's impossible to know without seeing whether it's in the game then. Thinking about it more though, it's probably going to be in the game but well, I'm still not sure if it isn't more of a joke than anything else. But it's an official joke! --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:: Homu Yuri... I gotta give it to Inu-Curry, at this point they may as well just stop pretending this is subtext... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:: I see a string of Witch's Kisses on the second screenshot: Gisela - Albertine - Ophelia? - ????? - ????? - Candeloro? - Brain Witch? - Needle Witch?. I hope we see everything in the Gallery soon. Hopefull we'll see Witch cards. --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 21:52, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::: The middle two kisses look like Gretchen's and Homulilly's, I think. --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 01:48, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:::: How are we going to deal with the witch information in the witch page? This is going to be a problem... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
::::: You mean the lack of witch card or the organization of the page? For organization I think we can have separate subsections for each titles (in the witch's page) if anything differs (similar to [http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/Reki#History character page] in .hack//Wiki). For lack of witch card, maybe a bit of background e.g. where did this come from will do for the time being. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:My body wasn't ready! 0_o --[[User:Derp101|Derp101]] 18:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:I hope one day we can ask someone or the creators if Inu Curry [[:file:Yurifan reaction to homulilly homuyuri spoiler.jpg|was being blunt or if it was an industry joke]] about it, fans would like to know... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

*Homulilly according with 4chan comments:

Homura’s witch, Homulilly:

>It’s a record player with the infinity symbol under it, inside an hourglass.

>It says “Unable to move foward, the witch continuously spins and spins like a broken record, repeating the same sound over and over again for all eternity.”

>Bad end - Homura becomes witch, the universe ends, game over. Can’t load your save, you have to start the route all over again.

::I hope we can verity this quickly so we can start working on the page... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::On which thread were this comments found. Does it say anything about a nature? --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 10:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::::It [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Screenshotofblog.jpg came from] this [http://not-ayase.tumblr.com blog]. Nothing about its nature as of yet. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:58, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

"That sound is HOMUHOMUHOMUHOMUHOMU...." from 4chan.
::I am a bad person, I found that to be funny... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

|}

==Portable Spreed Sheet==
*[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Amu6wOa0hazDdDA0LVVtRWFvRDhMOXJ6SjM2OVpBR0E&f=true&noheader=true&gid=0 a google spreed sheet regarding game options/info]

==Walpurgis Night's Name==
Did they actually reveal it or is it still "?????" --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 02:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:Still ????? AFAIK. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 13:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
::Perhaps Walpurgis' Real name will be revealed in the movie, maybe something about the name is some sort of secret or it is too shocking to reveal... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 13:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:::IMHO Walpurgis is a gimmick, a reverse Deus Ex Machina of the series. Revealing her real name would be killing the character. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 13:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

==Comments from 4chan==
More commentary from Japanese fans:
*I like how Madoka kind of tossed away Sayaka’s and Hitomi’s friendship for Homura.
*Kyubey also states that Madoka may want to protect others, but her true emotion and reason was because she’s able to protect and watch over helpless Homura and spend her daily life with her.

Ok, I can buy Madoka tossing Sayaka's friendship over Homura if certain conditions changed the nature of Madoka and Sayaka's friendship... but the second part? I swear, is like they wanted to make a yuri VN... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:56, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

[[File:What is this i dont even.jpg|right|300px|thumb|It came from the internet. I am sure it is reliable.]]
"I am going through the comments from 4chan and picking up what seems believable, I wish there was a way to quickly verify some of these:" --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

*The option of saving Mami from Charlotte is the one where you retreat and secretly follow her. In other words, Mami won't let you come along no matter what.
**Once Mami is saved, Mami tells Homura she’s sorry she doubted her all this time, and tells her inner feelings towards Madoka and Sayaka about being lonely. Mami and Homura form a friendship. Along the days you can watch scenes where Mami invites Homura over and gives her cake and talks about her family’s death.

*H.N. Elly - Homura finds Madoka and saves her from the witch, instead of Sayaka, since she hasn’t contracted. • Next, is now Sayaka. Homura wants to prevent Sayaka from contracting, watching Sayaka in the shadows and grieving over Kyousuke on how he cant play the violin. Homura greets Sayaka at the hospital who’s taking to Kamijou.
**Believe in Sayaka, and explain everything that’s going on about Sayaka to Madoka. — Sayaka doesn’t contract. She gets mad at kyuubey and rejects his contract. Next day, Hitomi says her father’s close friend is an American surgeon who figured out a way to heal Kamijou’s hands. Sayaka confesses to Kyousuke before Kyousuke goes to America for his surgery. Kyousuke accepts her feelings, and thanks her. Sayaka doesn’t become a Puella Magi, never meets Kyouko, and lives on a happy life.

*Homura now meets Kyouko. She invites Kyouko over to her house and forms a partnership to fight against Walpurgisnacht. Kyouko meets Mami, her old friend, but the two hate each over due to past disputes.
**Homura calms the two and persuades them to make up and become friends again. The two talk about right strategies against Walpurgis.

*Over the course of days, since Sayaka grows insanely distant from Madoka, since she spends almost all of her time with Kamijou, Madoka begins to feel extremely lonely.
**She invites Homura over, or goes out with Homura with all the chances she gets. Homura tries to decline because she beleives that if she becomes too close to Madoka, Madoka would want to protect her and contract with Kyuubey. But her emotions get in the way, and she can’t bear to see Madoka sad, and ultimately cannot reject.
***Later that night, Kyuubey, who had almost no role, sneaks into Madoka’s house, and explains everything about the Puella Magi cycle. Madoka, shocked, leaves her house in the middle of the night and goes to see Homura. Madoka and Homura have a talk, and repeat episode 11 where Homura hugs Madoka, etc.

[[File:Everyone hates kyousuke.jpg|right|thumb|Everyone hates Kyousuke... boy, if the story is true...]]

>Ending 1a - If Homura fights alone, or with Kyouko, or with Kyouko and Mami and not the full party, the game will take it as if she fought in the anime timeline-ish kind of. Madoka will contract with Kyuubey, become Ultimate Madoka, and rewrite the world with her powers and delete Witches from Existence.

>Though UNCONFIRMED, but on most of the 2ch players say that you can fight demons, in the wasteland. You fight them endlessly until you die. Ultimate Madoka comes and Saves Homura and revives her. Using the power of all the despair she consumed until now throughout the timelines. Madoka is able to hold only a tiny fragment of existence, and materializes by using the negative energy and Homura’s memories of her, and stays by Homura’s side forever, like a ghost-ish thing. She is only visible to Homura.

>Ending 1b - Everyone participates in Walpurgis, except Madoka. Just the beginning event scene is different than 1a, still the outcome is the same

>Ending 2 - Homura defeats Walpurgis all by herself. Horray, Madoka is saved, Good job. Now go make super homu love to her.

>Secret - {{spoiler|If everyone else dies first and Homura last, on the top floor. Homura turns into a witch, the universe ends, since all possibility and hope becomes absolutely and completely lost.}}

:I never heard of anyone getting this "secret" route. I'm assuming it's another Not-Ayase made-up story. All reports from 2ch I've seen so far only mentions you will always end up getting anime's ending (whether Homura fights alone, Mami & Kyouko alive or not, etc.) About the demons, you will only have to fight with it until the ending music (Connect) ends. There's nothing about her dying, etc. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:02, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::This reminds me, do we have any info or screen shots regarding the demons? We still know almost nothing about them... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:08, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Hmm, I'll try finding screenshots. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:12, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::: Seriously, there is only those 3 endings? How could it be possible for Homura to defeat Walpurgis alone and yet she failed when with the others? (*smack my face* stupid question, the game developer and Gen are screwing us). I am kind of dumbfound that the endings is as if trying to "ask" us to wait for the continuation of Puella Magi's 3rd movie where it will pick up from what's left of the anime. (*sorry for ranting*) Refering to the demons, perhaps it is still not possible to get that kind of ending, maybe it is a DLC or requires unlocking of special password. You never know what they had for everyone especially when the 3rd movie is not out and putting into the game might spoil the whole ending for the game. Well, just a speculah and not to be taken seriously. [[User:Demonicslayer|Demonicslayer]] 13:59, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::: OK, here is demons: [[:File:MadoPSP Demons.jpg]]. While you can fight with them, they won't fight you back, you're force to use only Magic Arrow skill, you can't die here, it ends right after Connect ends. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:44, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
: Someone is telling me the secret route is confirmed [[http://www4.atwiki.jp/madomagi_portable on this wiki]]. Can someone verify this? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::Probably this part in Homura's route page:
::<blockquote>「ワルプルギスの夜」本体と対峙する（HPゲージが表示される）最下層で「敗北」すると、ほむらが魔女化する。ただし、ゲームオーバーの前にイラストが1枚表示されるだけで、魔女図鑑への登録およびイラストを後で見ることはできない。特典ディスクのギャラリーに全く同じイラストが収録されているので、鑑賞はこちらで（「○○の魔女」の名前もこちらで明かされている）。</blockquote>
::It says if you lost to Walpurgis after the HP gauge is shown, the illustration of Homulilly will be shown before the Game Over message. However this illustration won't appear in Majo Zukan or CG Gallery but you can see it later in special DVD. Rough translations:
::<blockquote>When confronting with Walpurgis main body (HP gauge is shown), if you are "Defeated" in the lowest level, Homura will become a witch. However only one illustration will be shown right before Game Over; it won't gets registered to Majo Zukan and you can't watch it later. Gallery in the special DVD has exactly the same illustration, watch it here if you want (her "witch of x" name is revealed in [the illustration in the game].)</blockquote>
::--[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

=== Bonus route ===

"Of course, there is also this:" --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

>Bonus route is basically full of jokes, drama, and wtfness

>just, key things are.

>Homu slaps Madoka for groping her

>Sayaka and hitomi fight over kyousuke physically and verbally

>Idol mumisan

>super sweet homura-chun

>Ending. Everyone beats walpurgis

>OUR FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN

>homura facepalms and reverses time.

"Seriously, the part where Homura slaps Madoka because Madoka was groping her sounds highly unlikely and out of character, unless there is evidence of it I am highly skeptical. <s>I will buy the idea of Homura gropping Madoka, but</s> seriously... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

:In all seriousness, Homura slaps Madoka because Madoka calling herself ''clumsy and has no trait or whatsoever beside being a magical girl''. Homura slaps Madoka and try to comfort her for saying that by saying "even though you're clumsy and stupid, being a cute magical girl is enough", etc. etc. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 11:53, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::This sounds more believable --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 11:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

=== Verification Filther ===
Fans are not going to wait for verification and there is bound to be misinformation. I wish there was a way to gather verifiable information from reliable sources to counter the misinformation before it starts spreading, the last thing we want is for this game to be presented to be silly, or bad! If anything it is doing a disservice to the creators of the series --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:It's hard to do confirmation especially for the game because so far nobody has discovered all the possible endings and there's only a few of us who can read Japanese (although the game is full voice). 2ch/Futaba can give a rough overview of what's possible and what's not possible but that's so far those boards can provide. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 13:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

==Majo Zukan==
I wanted to post a list based on the current screen shots we have of the Witch Encyclopedia. How often do we get more screenshots?

:1. ?????
:2. ?????
:3. ?????
:4. Gertrud
:5. ?????
:6. ?????
:7. ?????
:8. ?????
:9. ?????

:10. ?????
:11. ?????
:12. ?????
:13. ?????
:14. ?????
:15. Albertine
:16. ?????
:17. Gisela
:18. ?????
:19. ?????

:20. ?????
:21. ?????
:22. ?????
:23. ?????
:24. ?????
:25. ?????
:26. ?????
:27. ?????
:28. ?????
:29. ?????

:30. Patricia
:31. ?????
:32. ?????
:33. ?????
:34. ?????
:35. ?????
:36. ?????
:37. ?????
:38. ?????
:39. Candeloro

:40. ?????
:41. ?????
:42. Ophelia
:43. Quitterie’s Minion
:44. Quitterie
:45. Itzli

Will update as more is revealed--[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 19:33, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:I found screenshots of all the witches' encyclopedia entries on 2ch ([http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081166.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081167.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081168.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081169.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081170.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081171.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081172.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081173.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081174.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081175.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081176.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081177.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081178.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081179.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081180.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081175.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081176.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081177.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081178.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081179.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081180.jpg]), and the tail end of [http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17275080 this video] shows the entries you unlock during the 'good' branch of Sayaka's route. With this information, the list is:

:1 Anthony
:2 Adelbert (tiny)
:3 Adelbert (large)
:4 Gertrud

:5 Pyotr (w/ hat)
:6 Pyotr
:7 Pyotr (nurse)
:8 Charlotte

:9 Daniyyel+Jennifer
:10 Daniyyel+Jennifer (TV head)
:11 H.N. Elly (Kirsten)

:12 Anja (plane)
:13 Anja (car)
:14 Anja (boat)
:15 Albertine

:16 Dora
:17 Gisela

:18 Sebastian's (serpent-type)
:19 Sebastian's (claw-type)
:20 Elsa Maria

:21 ? (Presumably Holger)
:22 ? (Presumably Klarissa)
:23 ?
:24 Oktavia von Seckendorff

:25 Michaela (zombie)
:26 Michaela (ghost)
:27 Isabel

:28 Mathieu
:29 ? (Presumably teacher-like familiars)
:30 Patricia

:31 Shadow Puella Magi (stage left)
:32 Shadow Puella Magi (center stage)
:33 Shadow Puella Magi (stage right)
:34 Red-and-black checkered familiar
:35 Pink poodle-like familiar
:36 Walpurgisnacht

:37 ? (Presumably Madoka familiars)
:38 ? (Presumably Kyouko familiars)
:39 Candeloro

:40 ? (Presumably geisha familiars)
:41 ? (Presumably goldfish familiars)
:42 Ophelia

:43 Kyubey doll familiars
:44 Quitterie

:45 Itzli

It seems that Suleika, Uhrmann and Roberta aren't in the game... --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 19:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
: Not even Kriemhild Gretchen? That sucks. We never even got to see the Witch of the Netherlands . . . There're always the galleries --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 20:531, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
::That's because if Madoka becomes a witch, it's an instant game end. They wouldn't make it a playable witch.--[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
::: oh right. Do you know when'll be updated on the Gekidan Gallery? --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 20:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:From 2ch: [http://i.imgur.com/z9AT3.jpg 37, 38, 39]... and from Twitter: [http://twitpic.com/8ya1so 21], [http://twitpic.com/8ya1tt 22], [http://twitpic.com/8ya1vu 23], [http://twitpic.com/8ya1x7 29], [http://twitpic.com/8ya1yc 40], [http://twitpic.com/8ya22z 41]. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 02:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

===Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery===
Have there been any new pictures as to what's in the Gekidan Gallery? Hopefully there will be a zip with all the images eventually. --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 13:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

== Homuslap event transcript ==

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鹿目まどか：
マミさんも、CDだすし……
さやかちゃんも、恭介君といい感じだし
杏子ちゃんも、さやかちゃんと仲がいい。

鹿目まどか：
皆、いろいろ変わっていくんだね……
わたしは、何が変わったんだろう？

暁美ほむら：
何か、変わりたいの？

鹿目まどか：
ほむらちゃん……。
またいつの間に……。

暁美ほむら：
そこは気にしないで
で、まどかは変わりたいの？

鹿目まどか：
変わりたいというか、変わらなきゃいけないような気がしてるだけかも。

鹿目まどか：
だった、わたしには、何になりたいって気持ちがないんだよ。
マミさんやさやかちゃんや、杏子ちゃんみたいに。

鹿目まどか：
でも、それを見てるだけって
なんだかつらいなぁって。

鹿目まどか：
わたし……
『魔法少女になりたい』しか無くって
魔法少女になったから……。

鹿目まどか：
魔法少女しかできない女の子って駄目なのかなぁ。

鹿目まどか：
今、皆が楽しそうにやってることが羨ましいだけなのかなぁ。

鹿目まどか：
わたし、魔法少女以外のこと何もできないから。
ドジで、のろまで……駄目な女の子だし。

暁美ほむら：
そんなこと無い！

〈SLAP〉

鹿目まどか：
きゃっ。

暁美ほむら：
まどか、あなたは、ドジでのろまで……
とっても可愛い魔法少女よ
それ以外、なにを求めてるの！！

鹿目まどか：
それ……褒めてないよ……。

暁美ほむら：
私は、私は、あなたに
何度も何度も……だから
あなたは、あなたのままで……。

暁美ほむら：
何も変わらず、今のままで……
自信を持って！！

暁美ほむら：
あなたは……あなたはね……
私にとって大事な大切な人なの。
あなたは覚えてないかもしれないけど。

鹿目まどか：
あのね、ほむらちゃん。
よくわかんないけど
なんとなく、わかったような気がするよ。

暁美ほむら：
ありがとう……よくわかってないのに
いきなり叩いちゃってゴメンね。

鹿目まどか：
ううん、大丈夫。
ほむらちゃんはわたしに
いろいろ伝えようとしてるんだね。

鹿目まどか：
たぶん、わたしが悪いんだろうなってそう思う。
……でもね、１つだけ、いいかな？

暁美ほむら：
なに？

鹿目まどか：
……ドジでのろまはね
ちょっと否定して欲しかったかなって。

暁美ほむら：〈即答〉
ゴメン……。

鹿目まどか：
やっぱり、わたし
ほむらちゃんに、そう思われてたんだね。

暁美ほむら：
え、あ、うーん……。

〈まどかの感情値が２０増加した。〉

Madoka: Mami-san's going to release a CD... Everything's going great for Sayaka-chan with Kyousuke-kun, too, and Kyouko-chan is getting along with Sayaka-chan.

Madoka: Everyone is changing in lots of ways... but what's changed for me?

Homura: Do you want to change something?

Madoka: Homura-chan... When did you...?

Homura: Never mind that. So, do you want to change, Madoka?

Madoka: I think maybe it's less like I want to change than like I feel like I have to change.

Madoka: See, there's nothing that I really want to be. Not like Mami-san, Sayaka-chan, or Kyouko-chan.

Madoka: But it's kind of hard just watching that.

Madoka: Because I... became a magical girl with nothing but "I want to be a magical girl"...

Madoka: I guess a girl who can't do anything except being a magical girl is no good.

Madoka: I guess I'm jealous of everyone seeming like they're having so much fun right now.

Madoka: I can't do anything at all besides being a magical girl. I'm a clumsy, slow... useless girl.

Homura: That's not true!

(slap)

Madoka: Kya!

Homura: Madoka, you're a clumsy and slow... and absolutely adorable magical girl! What else do you want?!

Madoka: That... isn't a compliment...

Homura: I... I... you.... over and over... That's why you have to stay you...

Homura: Never change, the way you are now... Have confidence in yourself!!

Homura: You... You're... someone very important and precious to me. Even though you may not remember.

Madoka: Um, Homura-chan. I don't really understand, but I think I kind of get it anyway.

Homura: Thank you... I'm sorry for hitting you even though you don't really understand.

Madoka: No, it's okay. You're just trying to get things across to me.

Madoka: I think it's probably my fault... But can I say just one thing?

Homura: What?

Madoka: ... I did want you to deny that I'm clumsy and slow, a little.

Homura: (automatically) I'm sorry...

Madoka: I knew it, you really do think that about me.

Homura: Uh, um, well...

(Madoka's emotion value increased 20 points)
|}

Just for fun. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:07, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:Does anybody know Japanese well enough to translate this? [[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 18:30, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::I added a quick translation above. My apologies for any formatting gaffes. [[User:Ykm|Ykm]] 00:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Much appreciated! --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 00:11, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Thank you! This event sounds really interesting! --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 03:03, 19 March 2012‎ (UTC)

== Regarding Kyousuke Hate==
I am hearing that there is some hate regarding the character. We need to verify how extensive it is, but also we need to know what is the general reaction and explain why so we can add it to the page explaining the cause, also there was a mention that the hate is huge in 2chan that it created several threads, we need a screen shot of one example (if possible) and a translation with it so it can be added to the Kyousuke page (perhaps fans will forget their hatred of Hitomi after this...) --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:34, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:Hmm, is this related to Kyousuke calling Sayaka "monster" in Sayaka's routes? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 23:37, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::I heard that was one reason, something about how he called her a monster and all that, and the fans reacted negatively about it... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:41, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Sayaka doesn't want to save Kyousuke and Hitomi at first, but Kyoko says she should do that. After she saved them, however, they call her monster rather than thank her. This is what happens in Sayaka's route if she become a witch. I personally link it to the third timeline. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 23:58, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes, but I am trying to get the fan reaction regarding that scene. Do fans now dislike Kyousuke even more after that? I am trying to gauge the fan reaction to it... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 05:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
::::There's also this Sayaka's body rotten (another Gem-throwing, thank you Madoka), Kyouko found her Gem then Kyousuke got to see Sayaka alive in her rotten body and call her "Monster". I guess the writer is reincarnation of satan or something. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 00:06, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::<big>UROBUCHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</big>--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 05:20, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::: I guess in the end, Urobuchi still has a lot of hate to throw into Sayaka. Pity Sayaka that she has to go through that many difficulties in life in such a short moment in every timeline. Even if Sayaka gets a happy end with Kyouske, she still has no happy ending in the end. Surprisingly, Madoka (again?) done that gem-throwing thing in another timeline... Though I do not really hate Kyousuke, but it definitely hurt to be called a 'monster' when being a 'zombie' is bad enough. But it is quite natural in some way that Human always despise others with great power, just like X-Men. From the looks, Sayaka would be better off with Madoka in the ethereal world or we might see "G-Uro"-"butcher" trying to make her suffer in the 3rd movie again... sigh... [[User:Demonicslayer|Demonicslayer]] 08:15, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Speaking of a "happy" end with Kyousuke... there is one in this game, isn't there? (Or is such an end only possible if Sayaka does not contract as a magical girl?) i.e., if she becomes a magical girl, Kyosuke's a lost cause for her no matter what?) This scene makes me think there's such a "good" end... http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Picture_12.png [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 21:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

== Homura's route happy ending ==

I heard that if you defeat Walpurgis with Homura, Mami, Kyouko and Sayaka alive ''without'' anybody becoming a witch '''and''' without Madoka contracting, you will get the [[:File:PSP_Game_Scan_Nov_2011_Possibly_Megami.jpg|tea party]] ending instead of anime's ending one. There have been many reports in 2ch that this is true. Can anyone confirm it? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 23:56, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:I also heard someone written about this. This should be reliable. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 00:05, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== Original Sound Track ==
[[File:Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable OST Menu.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Sound track in BD.]]

There is an OST in the BD bundled with limited contract of this game. I don't know if the DVD coming with normal contract also contains this.

{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
| Track
| Song Name
|-
| 1
| Spes - Materia Madocae -
|-
| 2
| Justitia - Materia Sayakae -
|-
| 3
| Fides - Materia Mami -
|-
| 4
| Prex - Materia Kyokoensis -
|-
| 5
| Tutela - Materia Homurae -
|-
| 6
| Feliciter
|-
| 7
| Incipit in prece
|-
| 8
| Vox maternae
|-
| 9
| Victoria
|-
| 10
| Ubi eam?
|-
| 11
| Quod id est?
|-
| 12
| Obstans
|-
| 13
| Semen doloris
|-
| 14
| Inquietam
|-
| 15
| Solitudo mea
|-
| 16
| Non sola sum
|-
| 17
| Para, ite!
|-
| 18
| Non fieri possum
|-
| 19
| Numquam mitescam
|-
| 20
| Cum quoqumque modo
|-
| 21
| Forma tumultuosi somnii
|-
| 22
| Adhaesus deformis
|-
| 23
| Clientes saluant
|-
| 24
| Natalis puellae magicae
|-
| 25
| Exitus desperationis
|-
| 26
| Via ad scholam
|-
| 27
| Valetudinarium
|-
| 28
| Domus meus
|-
| 29
| Hora theae
|-
| 30
| Cubicutum coniecturae
|-
| 31
| Veni, ven
|-
| 32
| Diffidentia floret
|-
| 33
| Area infinita
|-
| 34
| Dolus vel pedica
|-
| 35
| Experimenta ultima
|-
| 36
| Area strigae
|-
| 37
| Delusio summa
|-
| 38
| Terror infinitus
|-
| 39
| Dolus vel lascivia
|-
| 40
| Finit in maledicto
|-
| 41
| Finis malus
|-
| 42
| Felix vera
|-
|}
--[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== Is this ending on the PSP game real or fake? ==

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1465010085?pn=1 <--a link to a Chinese forum which said it is the good end of the game with a picture which five of them sitting together and having a party with a line "This is my prayer, my wish..." above and comments from the poster that "[In the ending,] homura, mami, kyouko, and sayaka cooperate to beaten w. night successfully and then they including madoka held party in mami's home, and even sayaka "force" kyoko to get on school, uniform, wht a 癒し ending" (*sorry for my poor English.)
Is the above material truely the good end of the game?[[User:C933103|C933103]] 16:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
:Yes. Requires Madoka to not making contract with Mami, Sayaka, Kyouko and Homura defeating Walpurgis together. In Japanese board they are callibg this お茶会エンド (tea party ending). -[[User:0x99|0x99]] 20:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Madoka Magica Portable

2012-03-20T21:18:35Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* Regarding Kyousuke Hate */

[[File:Happy madokami psp fanart.jpg|right|200px]]

"T - The reason why we chose PSP was not because it could only be done in PSP but because we thought what game console is used by the people who watched Madoka." <3 <3 <3 --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 18:31, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
* ...And here I am stuck with the 3DS. 

On another note, would anyone translate the Famitsu article? I've heard some people say it mentions the possibility other characters become witches, and I'd like additional confirmation.-- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 00:23, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

== Trailer==
Trailer's been released: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JJ1JLv3UCs&feature=player_embedded --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 03:25, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
:The second trailer is remade in the official web site. It contains more information than the previous C81 edition. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
::I'm courious that why Kouko can use Rosso Fantasma? Did't she lost that ability before the time point Homura can get back? [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 00:39, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
:::It's possible you can help the girls change and recover to some degree, just like you can witchify them. Plus, this game also has Moemura, there's probably some sequences set in the past. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 01:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

== Limited edition handkerchief ==
"The "HomuHomu Handkerchief" in the Limited Edition has the identical design as the one used in the anime scene where Homura folded out a handkerchief and sat on it. I really hope that people can share the feeling of Homura sitting on a handkerchief."

LOL Japan. Imagine what a creepy otaku could do with it. - [[User:Lord of the Kakapos|Lord of the Kakapos]] 10:09, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

== Website Updated ==
Just a heads up that the game's website updated. There doesn't seem to be anything important, but it might be worth keeping an eye on it anyway - I'm half-expecting witch cards. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
*I'm expecting Witch cards soon as well. They did say there would be some new ones. [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 10:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
* Okay, it's been updated again, and it ''looks'' like something's happening at the Tokyo Game Show next week. I'm not really sure. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 18:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
:If there's anything worthwhile, I'll be posting it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
::Nothing worth mentioning that I've seen at the Tokyo Game show. It is one of many games where a brief preview's shown on the screen, among a bunch of other previews for upcoming games. That's it. I can't even find a video of it, only some blurry pics not even worth posting. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:22, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Welp, the site's been updated again, and it looks like a pretty big update. Not sure about everything, but under the section called "Application" there seems to be something about Mami blasting away at Charlotte.--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:22, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm gonna guess that it's a mini-game that will be available on the site on a certain date. (in this case, 14 of October)--[[Special:Contributions/84.77.58.17|84.77.58.17]] 15:03, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

And the site is updated again. It looks like it's just a picture, and a picture of a keychain...but I can't tell who's on the keychain. It ''looks'' like Mami doing a Tiro Finale, but the colors are off. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:00, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
:I can only see 2 newer special gift. One is a telephone card with Mami & Kyubey sleeping. The other is a keychain with an hourglass on it. Also it seem they provide a new version of game which supports iPad resolution now. But I cannot confirm it now. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

==Music==
What do we know about the music that will be used in the game? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:55, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
:Nothing in particular. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 01:12, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

== Mami's Heart Pounding Tiro Finale ==

*I feel Charlotte's attack style is really dumb. I won't get hurt by it. I'm always beaten by familiars... [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 17:50, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
**Besides the video on the website, are there any other videos of gameplay? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 19:00, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
*** It's not easy to take video from an iPod touch. I also searched Nico video and found nothing but PV. But it might be too early for now. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 03:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
**** There's one [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdZE3cjjwQQ here]. (No Charlotte, though.) [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 04:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
*The game is commented badly as boring, monotonous, and dull. Some players commented it could be a paid game if it had been made funny. The pattern of enemy appearance is the same every time. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 22:32, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
** The first update is provided today. Charlotte now can make her diving attack on Mami. Familiars also attack with Charlotte. Now it's not that boring. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 14:24, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
*** Something also happens when 600 people think 140,000 points...I ''think''.
**** Yep. According to the website, it's... a cell phone background! Er, at least, I think that's what it means by "携帯待ち受けプレゼント". Something like that. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 22:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
[[File:Angry madokami psp fanart.jpg|right|200px|]]

*I have played both iPhone and Android versions. I played the iPhone version on an iPod touch (4th generation), and Android version on Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo. I feel the iPhone version more comfortable to play. Sometimes the enemy is moving and born too fast, and sometimes I feel it very show to shoot on Android version. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 07:54, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

:Suddenly I have some ideas about the game, although I won't expect they will do it. It seems there is some capability to expand more stages. Here are some imaginary stages I feel wonderful:
:* Gertrud. Mami is still protecting Madoka and Sayaka. The enemies are different style in both shape and form of attack.
:* Izabel. Mami and Madoka are protecting Homura. Madoka is controlled by CPU, or even better, controlled by 2P if some network gaming is available. But if Homura is got hit, then mission is failed.
:* Patricia. She is immune to both Mami's and Madoka's attack. Only Homura(as NPC) can defeat her. But You have to protect Homura from familiars first. As a magical girl, Homura(in Moemura form) can bear some hits, but not many. The direction is changed to vertical, and Patricia is at the highest point. Mami must jump on lines to reach her, and both Madoka and Homura will follow her. After the witch appears, there is a timer start counting down. Homura must not be killed before the timer reaching zero. After time up, Homura will automatically set the bomb to kill Patricia.
:But most likely they will only be in my imagination. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 17:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

* Oh no! I don't want to say 'I am such an idoit' when I get the PSP game. I have made a limited contract... [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 09:03, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

*OK, I have updated this game and played it. I feel it buggy. I don't know how to choose Homura. I also can't use magic anymore. The magic meter is increasing indeed, but no matter how much it accmulated, I can't use magic! I always lose because the barrier protecting Madoka and Sayaka broken! Besides, it get harder in Ophelia's stage. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 01:59, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
:Finally I have found a way to use special attacks and defeated Ophelia. But I couldn't upload my result. I wonder it caused by blocking IP from outsides of Japan. Currently, when you have enough magic and want to use it, press the pause icon and choose the 2nd one. Then you returned to title. There is one additional button to continue. Choose continue and wait a little moment then you can use your special attack. I defeat Ophelia by repeating doing this way. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 04:11, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

[[File:MamiTiro_Astonishing_Image_preview.jpg|right|200px|]]
* There are over 2000 players cleared Ophelia's stage. The image which is said to be astonishing is partially revealed. Mami as singer? It seems NBGI have some plans related with Idol Master, which is also made into game by NBGI. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 02:15, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
: When you get the entire picture revealed, please post it! I'd love to see Mami as an idol! [[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 03:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I have uploaded it. They said details will be revealed in upcoming Dengeki PlayStation Vol.514.

== Gameplay Mechanics Note ==
You know, this is insane ridiculous speculation, but the way the gameplay mechanics are described makes me think we ''might'' see a new character. Or alternatively, magical girl Hitomi. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 00:02, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
:I hope so, too. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 00:10, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

== Madoka USA ==
This is just a thought, but I wonder since we have a following in America. If DVD and blu-ray sales show strong numbers, perhaps that could convince them to release the game in English, if they think there is a market for it? I am sure localizing a game is not easy but Madoka does has some recognition in the US, albeit not sure how strong it is, but surely the numbers must be good enough to justify to chance it... Of course the gameplay must be good enough too.--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:20, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

== Kyouko's School Uniform ==
Ok, there is the artwork but now the character profile, seems to indicate she goes to the same school like the other characters. What are we going to do regarding this information?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:Nothing, because we don't know the story behind it. She's been in a school uniform in the official art for the game (the teaparty box cover) for a while now, but we don't know why. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:49, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
::Maybe she will transfer into Mitakihara Middle school if some condition met, just as Kyousuke being a guitarist. Who knows. BTW, there are something new on their official web site but I cannot view bigger images of something like Mami's witch form. Is there anyone having the same problem? [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:47, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
::I also have problems only with those images. I thought it's because I can run the latest version of Adobe Flash Player for technical reasons in my current set-up, but maybe it's a problem on their side afterall. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 19:50, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

== Translated script ==

A rather straightforward question: Think there'll be one? If this was for PC, no doubt a patch would be out fairly quick, but seeing as it's for PSP, that's not an option... --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 21:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
:It typically takes a long time (years) for a patch to come out. I expect because tri4 has committed to it, that Madoka will be faster than most. It's possible too they may be willing to let out a transcript before the game integration if asked nicely. Still, you're looking at months. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:56, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
::I used to be in the PSP homebrew scene, kinda lost my track though. Perhaps that's why I wasn't considering a patch an option. Uh. Well, doubt I'll manage to hold back on playing anyway, but thanks. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Yeah, it could be patched like with Idolm@ster. Best way to know is ask tri4 directly since they're the ones translating it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 07:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Know if anyone translated the menu/interface? As a veteran gamer and a biology student, I'll carry on suing a scientific approach which I'm sure you can guess (hey, worked for Initial D), but... --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 17:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Visit [http://tri4.net/subs/articles/45/game-mahou-shoujo-madoka-magika-portable#comment tri4] for latest status. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::...well balls, none of that was there last night. But again, I really shouldn't be surprised. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 18:30, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

==Dobokeru==
"Dobokeru" can mean daze, but since this is Kyubey, wouldn't it make more sense to use the other definition, "deceive"? He does have a history of pretending to not know the truth now and then. It just seems a little more in character for him. [[User:Honeykiss|Honeykiss]] 16:33, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:Again, I don't know many words in English. It is possible that I can't make clear the difference among those words. So please have them fixed if you find more proper words. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

==Names==
One quick question, does anyone know if the game will reveal the name of Mami's parents or of Kyoko's? It is probably a long shot in the dark but if we are dealing with some of the girls routes one can never know, but what the hell may as well just ask... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 13:46, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

==New Trailer==
[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-02-24/madoka-magica-portable-psp-game-3rd-promo-streamed Right here.] Some stuff we knew, some stuff we didn't know but expect, and one surprise. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 02:59, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

== Live broadcast ==

There will be a program in NBGI's network broadcast channel:

http://www.bandainamcogames.co.jp/cs/event/bnltv/

on Mar 14, 2012, at 21:00(Tokyo time). Both Kaori Mizuhashi and Ai Nonaka will be there, talking about various stuff about the game. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 02:33, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

==Screen Shots ==
[http://imgur.com/a/5Luxh/noscript Some 70+ PSP game screenshots!] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

==Game Difficulty==
[[File:Is this a game or is this hell.jpg|right|300px|thumb|There is no evidence to suggest that Gen Urobuchi messed with the difficult settings, then again...]]
Some sources say that the game is difficult to beat, is there some reliable way to determine this, also what kind of difficult settings are there? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 14:12, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:I'm betting the source of OP information is the Not-Ayase blog. The blog contains too much misinformation to be a reliable source. I've watched a player playthrough of the first loop in UST (to about beginning of episode 6 of anime) and from few play impression in 2ch, the game doesn't seems ''that'' hard but you have to be very careful, for example:
:*Any actions can raise Emotion Points.
:*SG can become muddy easier if the point is high.
:*You can't use GS to cleanse a completely mudded SG.
:*You can't use any skill that uses MP if SG is completely mudded.
:*Recovery items are rare.
:*It's impossible to know when to press Q-button.
:*If you're surrounded by 4 familiars, turns will be "You -> Familiar -> Familiar -> Familiar -> Familiar".
:I never heard anything about half-witch mode, though. The producer said game is designed so you can get into Witch route easily but the game will become easier as you play it more since Karma Points directly reflects default statuses at the start of game. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:I watch the video and think it is turn-based. You take one turn no matter move or attack, and all enemies also take one turn each. If many enemies are around you, you will get multiple hits. So you have to think some smart way to move to prevent such situation. That makes me remember about the original Ultima. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that there is no [[:file:Homutree.png|Homura magic tree]] posted in the page as of yet --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:Look at the file links. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 09:55, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::I would have thought Homura would have her own subsection... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

There is some mention that the saves should be more easier, specially if they have to go through long dialogues just to catch up from where they died... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

== Live gameplay ==
Go see it...it's running right now: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mdoka-debu --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:51, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:Some recordings:
*Part 1 (Beginning ~ Charlotte)http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21096661
*Part 2 (Charlotte ~ Elly)http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21098918
*Part 3 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21102551

== Just a heads up ==

To anyone playing from the Memory Stick, the game freezes after talking to Homura on the bridge and going to the city map. Gotta wait for a patch. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 12:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:Please refer to [http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/62778912/#62781688 this thread] for workarounds. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 13:02, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::I did see that before, just... ugh, that'd be annoying, and knowing myself, veeeeery prone for forgetfulness. Then again, how could I expect not to suffer with this game? --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Make sure to convert to CSO first. That will save you from the tutorial freezes. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 17:26, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I did that, it's running smooth. Still freezes on video sequences though, gotta skip them - hopefully, they're nothing but clips from the anime. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 15:05, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Another method would be to set the PSP to sleep Mode before a specific part of the game freezes. I have yet to attempt this for the part where Mami first reveals to Sayaka and Madoka what a Grief Seed does. [[Special:Contributions/188.221.222.125|188.221.222.125]] 09:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== About spoiler in PSP game ==
I heard many players got a lot of bad endings. It might not be proper to write them in the game page since there are too much information there. Is there any plan for these? --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:50, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:My suggestion, make a new page with a spoiler heading. This will be a subpage for PSP Game Endings. Then provide a short description of what it is and a link to it from the main PSP game page. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 17:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:Since PSP game is separated into chapters, better create new page with title something like [[Madoka Magica Portable Chapter 1: As If We Met in a Dream...]] (suggestion) and put information related to PSP game there. See [[Talk:Main Page]] for more info about reorganizing. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::I'm not sure, routes might make more sense. That's how the Japanese wiki is separating them. So far I only really know about the Madoka Kaname route which is basically a tutorial one. Very straight-forward, closely follows anime, not many choices but apparently always ends with Madoka contracting to save Sayaka and Homura resets. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 19:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::I think it still make sense to have a separate page for each route (chapters) though, we can always put information such as possible routes within chapter, Q-button timing, and such in it in an organized manner. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes, separate pages is good, I'm suggesting routes rather than chapters, as that's how the game does it. Plus, you have to finish the Madoka Kaname route first, then I think some other routes (not sure on the exact parameters) before you can do the Homura route. Only then can you unlock the bonus route. The Japanese wiki also separates by days and morning/noon/evening for time period (it is 30 days to Walpurgis in all routes) since that's what you see at the top of the map screen. It's easier to track than chapters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 19:32, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Hmm, I still want to use the official "title" for each routes (that's why I'm calling it chapter). For example, "As If We Met Met in a Dream..." for Madoka route, "Only If You Are By My Side" for Mami's route, etc. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:39, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::I see. I thought you were using them to refer to episodes rather than character routes...since the Madoka route goes to roughly ep. 8 and I think the rest of the routes go to ep. 12. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 19:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, seems like Madoka's route is the only one with a fixed ending. I've asked my friend to list <strike>first three</strike> all chapters in the game:
:::::::*{{Nihongo|夢の中で逢った、ような…|As If We Met in a Dream...}} —Madoka route
:::::::*{{Nihongo|あなたが側にいてくれるなら|Only If You Are By My Side}} —Mami route
:::::::*{{Nihongo|運命はきっと変えられる|The Destiny Could Be Changed}} —Homura route
:::::::*{{Nihongo|私が願った、奇跡|The Wish I Prayed For}} —Sayaka route
:::::::*{{Nihongo|残された最後の希望だったんだ|It Was The Last Path Left}} —Kyouko route
:::::::*{{Nihongo|想いは現実を越える|A Wish Can Surpass Reality}} —Bonus route
:::::::--[[User:0x99|0x99]] 20:00, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::: Maybe something has to be unlocked before you can get a different ending to the Madoka route? --[[Special:Contributions/83.108.126.230|83.108.126.230]] 20:55, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::::: I'm not sure about that as I've never seen any report of someone able to break the fixed ending of Madoka's route. It may be possible but nobody, so far, has found a way to. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 22:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::In my opinion, it's better to use something like 'Someone's Route' as title because it is easier to understand and search. Also the title can be shorten. I suggest the "official title" to be subtitle in those pages. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 02:33, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::The reason I want to put full title in the page name because of consistency (so game, manga, anime, etc. uses the same format). --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I'm confused by this because that's not how the pages are named. Anime episode pages are just "Episode 1" not "Episode 1: As if We Met in A Dream", they don't have the full name. Ditto for manga subpages, they also have short names. It still seems confusing to me to name pages for the game after episodic titles, when the game is divided into routes. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 15:52, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::I'm referring to the reorganization plan in the [[Talk:Main Page]]. The game is divide into multiple routes with title for each routes (see above), you have to select the route you want to play right when the game starts. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 17:22, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Homura's Majo ==

This is a spoiler so I'm going to hide this stuff inside a collapsable table. Please reply inside the spoilers table.

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This is mentioned in 2ch, but [[:File:Homulilly.jpg|"HOMULILLY"]] (click to see) seems to be Homura's Majo. Her Majo is represented with a disc on the top with infinite sign. Her witch type is {{Nihongo|此岸の魔女|Shigan no Majō}} which basically means "Witch of Mortal World" (i.e. the opposite of [[wikipedia:Higan|Higan]]). Witch runes below reads "Game Over". I'm not sure how reliable this is, can anyone who've played (or have access to special BD/DVD with unlock codes) confirm? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:I saw this on 2ch and it seemed like people weren't taking it seriously...which makes me think along with the name which is clearly a joke, that it's probably a fan shop. Unfortunately, I'm pretty busy so I won't personally be getting to the Homu route for a couple days at least, to verify. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 20:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::Possibly because they're trying to avoid spoilers. I've found someone mentions HOMULILLY do exists in the DVD/BD special (unlock required), but you can't fight with her (the game is Game Over instantly) so there's no witch card for her. Will probably have to wait few days for confirmation. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 20:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::They could have at lead given us her nature and description --[[SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 20:15, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::That's the problem—nature and description are in witch card (like the one for [[:File:ITZLI_info.jpg|Itzli]]) which appears after you defeat the witch but you can't defeat Homulilly in the game. (Also I found it pretty funny her witch name is literally {{Nihongo|"Homu Yuri"|ほむ百合}}, which make it even more confusing whether this is real or fake.) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 20:20, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Anyhow, if not real that must be the best fan made witch ever. IDK, Gekidan Inucurry might have put a weird name on purpose, after the Kyubey witch anything is possible. --[[User:Derp101|Derp101]] 20:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::Homulilly might not be her name but actually "Homu Yuri" and she gets to be together with Kriemhild Gretchen. That is one sick ending bro! --[[User:Derp101|Derp101]] 21:33, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Doujins where?! --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:OK, I was able to verify where it's from. It's from an unlocked (therefore not hidden) gallery of Inu-Curry. If you look [[:File:PSP Inu Curry Art Gallery.jpg|here]], the first two images show the menu screens. The remainder are examples of what's in the gallery. There's images that are work-in-progress designs and some that look surreal enough they may just be art designs, that are not actually in the game. The Production Note had that where some of Inu Curry real designs were right next to pages of designs that never made it into the anime. Unfortunately, it's impossible to know without seeing whether it's in the game then. Thinking about it more though, it's probably going to be in the game but well, I'm still not sure if it isn't more of a joke than anything else. But it's an official joke! --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:: Homu Yuri... I gotta give it to Inu-Curry, at this point they may as well just stop pretending this is subtext... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:: I see a string of Witch's Kisses on the second screenshot: Gisela - Albertine - Ophelia? - ????? - ????? - Candeloro? - Brain Witch? - Needle Witch?. I hope we see everything in the Gallery soon. Hopefull we'll see Witch cards. --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 21:52, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
::: The middle two kisses look like Gretchen's and Homulilly's, I think. --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 01:48, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:::: How are we going to deal with the witch information in the witch page? This is going to be a problem... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
::::: You mean the lack of witch card or the organization of the page? For organization I think we can have separate subsections for each titles (in the witch's page) if anything differs (similar to [http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/Reki#History character page] in .hack//Wiki). For lack of witch card, maybe a bit of background e.g. where did this come from will do for the time being. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:My body wasn't ready! 0_o --[[User:Derp101|Derp101]] 18:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:I hope one day we can ask someone or the creators if Inu Curry [[:file:Yurifan reaction to homulilly homuyuri spoiler.jpg|was being blunt or if it was an industry joke]] about it, fans would like to know... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

*Homulilly according with 4chan comments:

Homura’s witch, Homulilly:

>It’s a record player with the infinity symbol under it, inside an hourglass.

>It says “Unable to move foward, the witch continuously spins and spins like a broken record, repeating the same sound over and over again for all eternity.”

>Bad end - Homura becomes witch, the universe ends, game over. Can’t load your save, you have to start the route all over again.

::I hope we can verity this quickly so we can start working on the page... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::On which thread were this comments found. Does it say anything about a nature? --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 10:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::::It [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Screenshotofblog.jpg came from] this [http://not-ayase.tumblr.com blog]. Nothing about its nature as of yet. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:58, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

"That sound is HOMUHOMUHOMUHOMUHOMU...." from 4chan.
::I am a bad person, I found that to be funny... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

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==Portable Spreed Sheet==
*[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Amu6wOa0hazDdDA0LVVtRWFvRDhMOXJ6SjM2OVpBR0E&f=true&noheader=true&gid=0 a google spreed sheet regarding game options/info]

==Walpurgis Night's Name==
Did they actually reveal it or is it still "?????" --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 02:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:Still ????? AFAIK. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 13:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
::Perhaps Walpurgis' Real name will be revealed in the movie, maybe something about the name is some sort of secret or it is too shocking to reveal... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 13:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:::IMHO Walpurgis is a gimmick, a reverse Deus Ex Machina of the series. Revealing her real name would be killing the character. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 13:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

==Comments from 4chan==
More commentary from Japanese fans:
*I like how Madoka kind of tossed away Sayaka’s and Hitomi’s friendship for Homura.
*Kyubey also states that Madoka may want to protect others, but her true emotion and reason was because she’s able to protect and watch over helpless Homura and spend her daily life with her.

Ok, I can buy Madoka tossing Sayaka's friendship over Homura if certain conditions changed the nature of Madoka and Sayaka's friendship... but the second part? I swear, is like they wanted to make a yuri VN... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:56, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

[[File:What is this i dont even.jpg|right|300px|thumb|It came from the internet. I am sure it is reliable.]]
"I am going through the comments from 4chan and picking up what seems believable, I wish there was a way to quickly verify some of these:" --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

*The option of saving Mami from Charlotte is the one where you retreat and secretly follow her. In other words, Mami won't let you come along no matter what.
**Once Mami is saved, Mami tells Homura she’s sorry she doubted her all this time, and tells her inner feelings towards Madoka and Sayaka about being lonely. Mami and Homura form a friendship. Along the days you can watch scenes where Mami invites Homura over and gives her cake and talks about her family’s death.

*H.N. Elly - Homura finds Madoka and saves her from the witch, instead of Sayaka, since she hasn’t contracted. • Next, is now Sayaka. Homura wants to prevent Sayaka from contracting, watching Sayaka in the shadows and grieving over Kyousuke on how he cant play the violin. Homura greets Sayaka at the hospital who’s taking to Kamijou.
**Believe in Sayaka, and explain everything that’s going on about Sayaka to Madoka. — Sayaka doesn’t contract. She gets mad at kyuubey and rejects his contract. Next day, Hitomi says her father’s close friend is an American surgeon who figured out a way to heal Kamijou’s hands. Sayaka confesses to Kyousuke before Kyousuke goes to America for his surgery. Kyousuke accepts her feelings, and thanks her. Sayaka doesn’t become a Puella Magi, never meets Kyouko, and lives on a happy life.

*Homura now meets Kyouko. She invites Kyouko over to her house and forms a partnership to fight against Walpurgisnacht. Kyouko meets Mami, her old friend, but the two hate each over due to past disputes.
**Homura calms the two and persuades them to make up and become friends again. The two talk about right strategies against Walpurgis.

*Over the course of days, since Sayaka grows insanely distant from Madoka, since she spends almost all of her time with Kamijou, Madoka begins to feel extremely lonely.
**She invites Homura over, or goes out with Homura with all the chances she gets. Homura tries to decline because she beleives that if she becomes too close to Madoka, Madoka would want to protect her and contract with Kyuubey. But her emotions get in the way, and she can’t bear to see Madoka sad, and ultimately cannot reject.
***Later that night, Kyuubey, who had almost no role, sneaks into Madoka’s house, and explains everything about the Puella Magi cycle. Madoka, shocked, leaves her house in the middle of the night and goes to see Homura. Madoka and Homura have a talk, and repeat episode 11 where Homura hugs Madoka, etc.

[[File:Everyone hates kyousuke.jpg|right|thumb|Everyone hates Kyousuke... boy, if the story is true...]]

>Ending 1a - If Homura fights alone, or with Kyouko, or with Kyouko and Mami and not the full party, the game will take it as if she fought in the anime timeline-ish kind of. Madoka will contract with Kyuubey, become Ultimate Madoka, and rewrite the world with her powers and delete Witches from Existence.

>Though UNCONFIRMED, but on most of the 2ch players say that you can fight demons, in the wasteland. You fight them endlessly until you die. Ultimate Madoka comes and Saves Homura and revives her. Using the power of all the despair she consumed until now throughout the timelines. Madoka is able to hold only a tiny fragment of existence, and materializes by using the negative energy and Homura’s memories of her, and stays by Homura’s side forever, like a ghost-ish thing. She is only visible to Homura.

>Ending 1b - Everyone participates in Walpurgis, except Madoka. Just the beginning event scene is different than 1a, still the outcome is the same

>Ending 2 - Homura defeats Walpurgis all by herself. Horray, Madoka is saved, Good job. Now go make super homu love to her.

>Secret - {{spoiler|If everyone else dies first and Homura last, on the top floor. Homura turns into a witch, the universe ends, since all possibility and hope becomes absolutely and completely lost.}}

:I never heard of anyone getting this "secret" route. I'm assuming it's another Not-Ayase made-up story. All reports from 2ch I've seen so far only mentions you will always end up getting anime's ending (whether Homura fights alone, Mami & Kyouko alive or not, etc.) About the demons, you will only have to fight with it until the ending music (Connect) ends. There's nothing about her dying, etc. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:02, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::This reminds me, do we have any info or screen shots regarding the demons? We still know almost nothing about them... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:08, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Hmm, I'll try finding screenshots. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:12, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::: Seriously, there is only those 3 endings? How could it be possible for Homura to defeat Walpurgis alone and yet she failed when with the others? (*smack my face* stupid question, the game developer and Gen are screwing us). I am kind of dumbfound that the endings is as if trying to "ask" us to wait for the continuation of Puella Magi's 3rd movie where it will pick up from what's left of the anime. (*sorry for ranting*) Refering to the demons, perhaps it is still not possible to get that kind of ending, maybe it is a DLC or requires unlocking of special password. You never know what they had for everyone especially when the 3rd movie is not out and putting into the game might spoil the whole ending for the game. Well, just a speculah and not to be taken seriously. [[User:Demonicslayer|Demonicslayer]] 13:59, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::: OK, here is demons: [[:File:MadoPSP Demons.jpg]]. While you can fight with them, they won't fight you back, you're force to use only Magic Arrow skill, you can't die here, it ends right after Connect ends. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:44, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
: Someone is telling me the secret route is confirmed [[http://www4.atwiki.jp/madomagi_portable on this wiki]]. Can someone verify this? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::Probably this part in Homura's route page:
::<blockquote>「ワルプルギスの夜」本体と対峙する（HPゲージが表示される）最下層で「敗北」すると、ほむらが魔女化する。ただし、ゲームオーバーの前にイラストが1枚表示されるだけで、魔女図鑑への登録およびイラストを後で見ることはできない。特典ディスクのギャラリーに全く同じイラストが収録されているので、鑑賞はこちらで（「○○の魔女」の名前もこちらで明かされている）。</blockquote>
::It says if you lost to Walpurgis after the HP gauge is shown, the illustration of Homulilly will be shown before the Game Over message. However this illustration won't appear in Majo Zukan or CG Gallery but you can see it later in special DVD. Rough translations:
::<blockquote>When confronting with Walpurgis main body (HP gauge is shown), if you are "Defeated" in the lowest level, Homura will become a witch. However only one illustration will be shown right before Game Over; it won't gets registered to Majo Zukan and you can't watch it later. Gallery in the special DVD has exactly the same illustration, watch it here if you want (her "witch of x" name is revealed in [the illustration in the game].)</blockquote>
::--[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

=== Bonus route ===

"Of course, there is also this:" --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

>Bonus route is basically full of jokes, drama, and wtfness

>just, key things are.

>Homu slaps Madoka for groping her

>Sayaka and hitomi fight over kyousuke physically and verbally

>Idol mumisan

>super sweet homura-chun

>Ending. Everyone beats walpurgis

>OUR FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN

>homura facepalms and reverses time.

"Seriously, the part where Homura slaps Madoka because Madoka was groping her sounds highly unlikely and out of character, unless there is evidence of it I am highly skeptical. <s>I will buy the idea of Homura gropping Madoka, but</s> seriously... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

:In all seriousness, Homura slaps Madoka because Madoka calling herself ''clumsy and has no trait or whatsoever beside being a magical girl''. Homura slaps Madoka and try to comfort her for saying that by saying "even though you're clumsy and stupid, being a cute magical girl is enough", etc. etc. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 11:53, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::This sounds more believable --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 11:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

=== Verification Filther ===
Fans are not going to wait for verification and there is bound to be misinformation. I wish there was a way to gather verifiable information from reliable sources to counter the misinformation before it starts spreading, the last thing we want is for this game to be presented to be silly, or bad! If anything it is doing a disservice to the creators of the series --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:It's hard to do confirmation especially for the game because so far nobody has discovered all the possible endings and there's only a few of us who can read Japanese (although the game is full voice). 2ch/Futaba can give a rough overview of what's possible and what's not possible but that's so far those boards can provide. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 13:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

==Majo Zukan==
I wanted to post a list based on the current screen shots we have of the Witch Encyclopedia. How often do we get more screenshots?

:1. ?????
:2. ?????
:3. ?????
:4. Gertrud
:5. ?????
:6. ?????
:7. ?????
:8. ?????
:9. ?????

:10. ?????
:11. ?????
:12. ?????
:13. ?????
:14. ?????
:15. Albertine
:16. ?????
:17. Gisela
:18. ?????
:19. ?????

:20. ?????
:21. ?????
:22. ?????
:23. ?????
:24. ?????
:25. ?????
:26. ?????
:27. ?????
:28. ?????
:29. ?????

:30. Patricia
:31. ?????
:32. ?????
:33. ?????
:34. ?????
:35. ?????
:36. ?????
:37. ?????
:38. ?????
:39. Candeloro

:40. ?????
:41. ?????
:42. Ophelia
:43. Quitterie’s Minion
:44. Quitterie
:45. Itzli

Will update as more is revealed--[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 19:33, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:I found screenshots of all the witches' encyclopedia entries on 2ch ([http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081166.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081167.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081168.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081169.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081170.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081171.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081172.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081173.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081174.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081175.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081176.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081177.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081178.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081179.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081180.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081175.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081176.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081177.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081178.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081179.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081180.jpg]), and the tail end of [http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17275080 this video] shows the entries you unlock during the 'good' branch of Sayaka's route. With this information, the list is:

:1 Anthony
:2 Adelbert (tiny)
:3 Adelbert (large)
:4 Gertrud

:5 Pyotr (w/ hat)
:6 Pyotr
:7 Pyotr (nurse)
:8 Charlotte

:9 Daniyyel+Jennifer
:10 Daniyyel+Jennifer (TV head)
:11 H.N. Elly (Kirsten)

:12 Anja (plane)
:13 Anja (car)
:14 Anja (boat)
:15 Albertine

:16 Dora
:17 Gisela

:18 Sebastian's (serpent-type)
:19 Sebastian's (claw-type)
:20 Elsa Maria

:21 ? (Presumably Holger)
:22 ? (Presumably Klarissa)
:23 ?
:24 Oktavia von Seckendorff

:25 Michaela (zombie)
:26 Michaela (ghost)
:27 Isabel

:28 Mathieu
:29 ? (Presumably teacher-like familiars)
:30 Patricia

:31 Shadow Puella Magi (stage left)
:32 Shadow Puella Magi (center stage)
:33 Shadow Puella Magi (stage right)
:34 Red-and-black checkered familiar
:35 Pink poodle-like familiar
:36 Walpurgisnacht

:37 ? (Presumably Madoka familiars)
:38 ? (Presumably Kyouko familiars)
:39 Candeloro

:40 ? (Presumably geisha familiars)
:41 ? (Presumably goldfish familiars)
:42 Ophelia

:43 Kyubey doll familiars
:44 Quitterie

:45 Itzli

It seems that Suleika, Uhrmann and Roberta aren't in the game... --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 19:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
: Not even Kriemhild Gretchen? That sucks. We never even got to see the Witch of the Netherlands . . . There're always the galleries --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 20:531, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
::That's because if Madoka becomes a witch, it's an instant game end. They wouldn't make it a playable witch.--[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
::: oh right. Do you know when'll be updated on the Gekidan Gallery? --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 20:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:From 2ch: [http://i.imgur.com/z9AT3.jpg 37, 38, 39]... and from Twitter: [http://twitpic.com/8ya1so 21], [http://twitpic.com/8ya1tt 22], [http://twitpic.com/8ya1vu 23], [http://twitpic.com/8ya1x7 29], [http://twitpic.com/8ya1yc 40], [http://twitpic.com/8ya22z 41]. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 02:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

===Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery===
Have there been any new pictures as to what's in the Gekidan Gallery? Hopefully there will be a zip with all the images eventually. --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 13:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

== Homuslap event transcript ==

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鹿目まどか：
マミさんも、CDだすし……
さやかちゃんも、恭介君といい感じだし
杏子ちゃんも、さやかちゃんと仲がいい。

鹿目まどか：
皆、いろいろ変わっていくんだね……
わたしは、何が変わったんだろう？

暁美ほむら：
何か、変わりたいの？

鹿目まどか：
ほむらちゃん……。
またいつの間に……。

暁美ほむら：
そこは気にしないで
で、まどかは変わりたいの？

鹿目まどか：
変わりたいというか、変わらなきゃいけないような気がしてるだけかも。

鹿目まどか：
だった、わたしには、何になりたいって気持ちがないんだよ。
マミさんやさやかちゃんや、杏子ちゃんみたいに。

鹿目まどか：
でも、それを見てるだけって
なんだかつらいなぁって。

鹿目まどか：
わたし……
『魔法少女になりたい』しか無くって
魔法少女になったから……。

鹿目まどか：
魔法少女しかできない女の子って駄目なのかなぁ。

鹿目まどか：
今、皆が楽しそうにやってることが羨ましいだけなのかなぁ。

鹿目まどか：
わたし、魔法少女以外のこと何もできないから。
ドジで、のろまで……駄目な女の子だし。

暁美ほむら：
そんなこと無い！

〈SLAP〉

鹿目まどか：
きゃっ。

暁美ほむら：
まどか、あなたは、ドジでのろまで……
とっても可愛い魔法少女よ
それ以外、なにを求めてるの！！

鹿目まどか：
それ……褒めてないよ……。

暁美ほむら：
私は、私は、あなたに
何度も何度も……だから
あなたは、あなたのままで……。

暁美ほむら：
何も変わらず、今のままで……
自信を持って！！

暁美ほむら：
あなたは……あなたはね……
私にとって大事な大切な人なの。
あなたは覚えてないかもしれないけど。

鹿目まどか：
あのね、ほむらちゃん。
よくわかんないけど
なんとなく、わかったような気がするよ。

暁美ほむら：
ありがとう……よくわかってないのに
いきなり叩いちゃってゴメンね。

鹿目まどか：
ううん、大丈夫。
ほむらちゃんはわたしに
いろいろ伝えようとしてるんだね。

鹿目まどか：
たぶん、わたしが悪いんだろうなってそう思う。
……でもね、１つだけ、いいかな？

暁美ほむら：
なに？

鹿目まどか：
……ドジでのろまはね
ちょっと否定して欲しかったかなって。

暁美ほむら：〈即答〉
ゴメン……。

鹿目まどか：
やっぱり、わたし
ほむらちゃんに、そう思われてたんだね。

暁美ほむら：
え、あ、うーん……。

〈まどかの感情値が２０増加した。〉

Madoka: Mami-san's going to release a CD... Everything's going great for Sayaka-chan with Kyousuke-kun, too, and Kyouko-chan is getting along with Sayaka-chan.

Madoka: Everyone is changing in lots of ways... but what's changed for me?

Homura: Do you want to change something?

Madoka: Homura-chan... When did you...?

Homura: Never mind that. So, do you want to change, Madoka?

Madoka: I think maybe it's less like I want to change than like I feel like I have to change.

Madoka: See, there's nothing that I really want to be. Not like Mami-san, Sayaka-chan, or Kyouko-chan.

Madoka: But it's kind of hard just watching that.

Madoka: Because I... became a magical girl with nothing but "I want to be a magical girl"...

Madoka: I guess a girl who can't do anything except being a magical girl is no good.

Madoka: I guess I'm jealous of everyone seeming like they're having so much fun right now.

Madoka: I can't do anything at all besides being a magical girl. I'm a clumsy, slow... useless girl.

Homura: That's not true!

(slap)

Madoka: Kya!

Homura: Madoka, you're a clumsy and slow... and absolutely adorable magical girl! What else do you want?!

Madoka: That... isn't a compliment...

Homura: I... I... you.... over and over... That's why you have to stay you...

Homura: Never change, the way you are now... Have confidence in yourself!!

Homura: You... You're... someone very important and precious to me. Even though you may not remember.

Madoka: Um, Homura-chan. I don't really understand, but I think I kind of get it anyway.

Homura: Thank you... I'm sorry for hitting you even though you don't really understand.

Madoka: No, it's okay. You're just trying to get things across to me.

Madoka: I think it's probably my fault... But can I say just one thing?

Homura: What?

Madoka: ... I did want you to deny that I'm clumsy and slow, a little.

Homura: (automatically) I'm sorry...

Madoka: I knew it, you really do think that about me.

Homura: Uh, um, well...

(Madoka's emotion value increased 20 points)
|}

Just for fun. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:07, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:Does anybody know Japanese well enough to translate this? [[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 18:30, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::I added a quick translation above. My apologies for any formatting gaffes. [[User:Ykm|Ykm]] 00:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Much appreciated! --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 00:11, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Thank you! This event sounds really interesting! --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 03:03, 19 March 2012‎ (UTC)

== Regarding Kyousuke Hate==
I am hearing that there is some hate regarding the character. We need to verify how extensive it is, but also we need to know what is the general reaction and explain why so we can add it to the page explaining the cause, also there was a mention that the hate is huge in 2chan that it created several threads, we need a screen shot of one example (if possible) and a translation with it so it can be added to the Kyousuke page (perhaps fans will forget their hatred of Hitomi after this...) --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:34, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:Hmm, is this related to Kyousuke calling Sayaka "monster" in Sayaka's routes? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 23:37, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::I heard that was one reason, something about how he called her a monster and all that, and the fans reacted negatively about it... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:41, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Sayaka doesn't want to save Kyousuke and Hitomi at first, but Kyoko says she should do that. After she saved them, however, they call her monster rather than thank her. This is what happens in Sayaka's route if she become a witch. I personally link it to the third timeline. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 23:58, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Yes, but I am trying to get the fan reaction regarding that scene. Do fans now dislike Kyousuke even more after that? I am trying to gauge the fan reaction to it... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 05:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
::::There's also this Sayaka's body rotten (another Gem-throwing, thank you Madoka), Kyouko found her Gem then Kyousuke got to see Sayaka alive in her rotten body and call her "Monster". I guess the writer is reincarnation of satan or something. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 00:06, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::<big>UROBUCHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</big>--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 05:20, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::: I guess in the end, Urobuchi still has a lot of hate to throw into Sayaka. Pity Sayaka that she has to go through that many difficulties in life in such a short moment in every timeline. Even if Sayaka gets a happy end with Kyouske, she still has no happy ending in the end. Surprisingly, Madoka (again?) done that gem-throwing thing in another timeline... Though I do not really hate Kyousuke, but it definitely hurt to be called a 'monster' when being a 'zombie' is bad enough. But it is quite natural in some way that Human always despise others with great power, just like X-Men. From the looks, Sayaka would be better off with Madoka in the ethereal world or we might see "G-Uro"-"butcher" trying to make her suffer in the 3rd movie again... sigh... [[User:Demonicslayer|Demonicslayer]] 08:15, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Speaking of a "happy" end with Kyousuke... there is one in this game, isn't there? (Or is such an end only possible if Sayaka does not contract as a magical girl?) i.e., if she becomes a magical girl, Kyosuke's a lost cause for her no matter what?) This scene makes me think there's such a "good" end... http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Picture_12.png

== Homura's route happy ending ==

I heard that if you defeat Walpurgis with Homura, Mami, Kyouko and Sayaka alive ''without'' anybody becoming a witch '''and''' without Madoka contracting, you will get the [[:File:PSP_Game_Scan_Nov_2011_Possibly_Megami.jpg|tea party]] ending instead of anime's ending one. There have been many reports in 2ch that this is true. Can anyone confirm it? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 23:56, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:I also heard someone written about this. This should be reliable. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 00:05, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== Original Sound Track ==
[[File:Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable OST Menu.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Sound track in BD.]]

There is an OST in the BD bundled with limited contract of this game. I don't know if the DVD coming with normal contract also contains this.

{| class="wikitable"
|-
|-
| Track
| Song Name
|-
| 1
| Spes - Materia Madocae -
|-
| 2
| Justitia - Materia Sayakae -
|-
| 3
| Fides - Materia Mami -
|-
| 4
| Prex - Materia Kyokoensis -
|-
| 5
| Tutela - Materia Homurae -
|-
| 6
| Feliciter
|-
| 7
| Incipit in prece
|-
| 8
| Vox maternae
|-
| 9
| Victoria
|-
| 10
| Ubi eam?
|-
| 11
| Quod id est?
|-
| 12
| Obstans
|-
| 13
| Semen doloris
|-
| 14
| Inquietam
|-
| 15
| Solitudo mea
|-
| 16
| Non sola sum
|-
| 17
| Para, ite!
|-
| 18
| Non fieri possum
|-
| 19
| Numquam mitescam
|-
| 20
| Cum quoqumque modo
|-
| 21
| Forma tumultuosi somnii
|-
| 22
| Adhaesus deformis
|-
| 23
| Clientes saluant
|-
| 24
| Natalis puellae magicae
|-
| 25
| Exitus desperationis
|-
| 26
| Via ad scholam
|-
| 27
| Valetudinarium
|-
| 28
| Domus meus
|-
| 29
| Hora theae
|-
| 30
| Cubicutum coniecturae
|-
| 31
| Veni, ven
|-
| 32
| Diffidentia floret
|-
| 33
| Area infinita
|-
| 34
| Dolus vel pedica
|-
| 35
| Experimenta ultima
|-
| 36
| Area strigae
|-
| 37
| Delusio summa
|-
| 38
| Terror infinitus
|-
| 39
| Dolus vel lascivia
|-
| 40
| Finit in maledicto
|-
| 41
| Finis malus
|-
| 42
| Felix vera
|-
|}
--[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

== Is this ending on the PSP game real or fake? ==

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1465010085?pn=1 <--a link to a Chinese forum which said it is the good end of the game with a picture which five of them sitting together and having a party with a line "This is my prayer, my wish..." above and comments from the poster that "[In the ending,] homura, mami, kyouko, and sayaka cooperate to beaten w. night successfully and then they including madoka held party in mami's home, and even sayaka "force" kyoko to get on school, uniform, wht a 癒し ending" (*sorry for my poor English.)
Is the above material truely the good end of the game?[[User:C933103|C933103]] 16:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
:Yes. Requires Madoka to not making contract with Mami, Sayaka, Kyouko and Homura defeating Walpurgis together. In Japanese board they are callibg this お茶会エンド (tea party ending). -[[User:0x99|0x99]] 20:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

File talk:Sayaka rotten body PSP game shadow.jpg

2012-03-20T21:12:05Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

I, for once, wish for a lower quality picture... thank MadoKami for that shadow... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
: Dang, I was thinking that she was "merely" covered in blood in this picture. Based on a few of the pages I've been going until going to the discussion page for the main PSP game, I was thinking it was just 4chan misinformation... but I guess it's the real deal, huh? ... I have to wonder, though, would Sayaka's body, or even a human body, rot to a flesh-peeling-off state like that after a 13 day period? (Or would a magical girl's body rot quicker, given the concentration of her essence in one measly soul gem?) I would also assume that Kyoko at least tried to 'preserve' Sayaka's body by at least a little bit, even though she was fighting witches at the time... she didn't seem to have trouble doing that before fighting Octavia. And further more... what happens, story-wise, when the gem is indeed found before the 13 days are up? Do things pretty much "stabilize" in some manner? [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 21:12, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone know why Kyousuke goes to Sayaka's home? I assume is because she was absent? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:12, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Community:Philosophical Observations

2012-03-02T09:32:42Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* Madoka and Minding her Motive */

Moving Philosophical essays and observations to this page --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 05:57, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Keep in mind, this is only speculation and observation. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:19, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

==Madoka and Minding her Motive==
<blockquote>-''"Why is mom working so hard for a company that she never dreamed of working with?" "Hmmm... Mom doesnt like working, she likes working hard. There are a lot of things that she doesn't like about it, but she likes the feeling of satisfaction she gets when she overcomes those obstacles, those achivements are precious to her. It doesn't mean that she dreamed to work for that company. But Mom is living her ideal life, and some dreams come true this way." - "so you make how you live into your dream?"'' ~ Madoka and her father. [[Episode 3]]</blockquote>

During the series we notice that Madoka cant never make up her mind when it comes to making a decision, if she will make a wish or not. All she seems to be doing is stalling, crying, and blaming herself for being so weak. But is that really what is happening? It is true, Madoka feels weak and small, powerless to do anything for anyone. She knows that by becoming a Puella Magi that feeling of worthlessness within her would change. But she is also afraid of dying or worst, becoming a witch, a monster that could destroy her world and hurt even her family. Madoka feels trapped, she feels like she has no choice. But there is also something happening behind her mind as well. Before Madoka can take any action, she needs to understand herself.

The intellectual philosopher Kant states that ''"If all human beings are worthy of respect, regardless of who they are or where they live, then it's wrong to treat them as mere instruments of the collective happiness."'' To Kant, utilitarianism (and Kyubey) is not only immoral but incorrect. One example is the shopkeeper: ''"A child goes to the store and buys a loaf of bread. The grocer could overchage the kid, charge him more than the usual price for a loaf of bread and the child would never know. But the grocer realizes that if his customers discovered that he took advantage of a child, word might spread out and hurt his business. For this reason, he decides not to overcharge the kid. So he charges him the usual price. So the shopkeeper does the right thing, but for the wrong reason. The only reason he deals honestly with the child is to protect his reputation. The shopkeeper acts honestly only for the sake of self interest; the shopkeeper's action lacks moral worth."'' To Kant, what matters is the quaility of the will, the character of the motive."[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rv-4aUbZxQ&feature=BFa&list=SP30C13C91CFFEFEA6&index=6]

This example works the same way with Sayaka. Sayaka made a contract with Kyubey to heal Kyosuke. Superficially it seems like a selfless noble act to help a friend. But that is not Sayaka's true motive, regardless of whatever she says to defend her actions. Sayaka's true motive is that if Kyosuke is healed, he would not only get better but he would also fall in love with Sayaka for her sacrifice. But that wasn't Sayaka's wish nor that is what happened. And because Sayaka's wish went unfulfilled she felt into despair, not because she was selfish but because she failed to recognize her real motive behind her wish. Not only that but she used the act of healing Kyosuke as a way to earn Kyosuke's love as a form of reward to be expected from her sacrifice. Sayaka violated her own rights as an attempt to gain something in return, and she never consulted with Kyosuke if he would ever accept such deal (nor is he under any obligation to do so; and if Sayaka tried to force Kyosuke under such deal she would be violating his rights as well, since he never gave consent). In essence Sayaka is expecting a reward or a payment for her sacrifice.

We need to understand Madoka's true motives regarding in becoming a Puella Magi prior to [[Episode 11]] and her refusal during the series. It is easy to see why Madoka would refuse to make a wish, it means death (or a fate worst than death) so any rational person would refuse (as we saw during her conversation with Homura in [[Episode 4]]). But if that is the case then why is Madoka kept tempted to make a wish? This is where motive is important. In [[Episode 8]] Sayaka has a fight with Madoka, this leads to Madoka to blame herself for being weak and terrified of helping her friend. Madoka hates herself for this. Now at first it seems like Madoka is regretting her lack of action and she is tempted to make a wish to help and save Sayaka from her suffering, but this is not so. Madoka's motive is not to help Sayaka, instead she is afraid of being hated by Sayaka, a completely different understanding lacking the true nobility of friendship. There is another observation that is equally important, Madoka's scene with Kyubey in which he is trying to temp Madoka to make a wish. In this scene Kyubey is trying to convince Madoka that by making a wish she could become a god, he is trying to deceive Madoka into the belief that by becoming a powerful god she can fix everything. But what Kyubey doesnt tell her is that there are no guarantees nor he has any interest to fix anything. But let us look at Madoka's motive behind Kyubey's suggestion for her to become a powerful god. At first glance it seems like Madoka is willing to become a sacrifice to the universe so she can fix everything, save everyone. But is that Madoka's true motive? As before, Madoka's motive is not to fix everything for the good, but to fix the wrongs so she would stop suffering from the feelings of sorrow about herself and others (she wants to change Sayaka back to normal, perhaps as a way to atone her cowardly lack of action). It is during this scene that Madoka confesses to Kyubey that she always felt insignificant and useless. She felt that she would never be able to do anything for anyone to create happiness for others and for herself (a similar conversation took place with Homura in [[Drama CD 1|the drama CD ''"Memories of You"'']]). As you can see Madoka's intention at first seem noble but that is not her true motive; what we learn is that Madoka wishes she could be useful so she would stop being worthless (what Madoka desires is to stop feeling sorry about herself, she wants to avoid any more pain and suffering). Nothing has changed, Madoka continues to believe she is weak, that she is powerless, that if she fixes everything she can feel good about herself. If we watch the scene at first it seems like Kyubey is suggesting a noble sacrifice but in truth all Madoka wants to do is to end the suffering so she would stop her own suffering as well.

As the series progresses, Madoka's thoughts are slowly changing, specially in [[Episode 11]]. Madoka learns an important lesson from Kyubey, a history of sacrifice and how it has affected humanity. Madoka realizes that it is not about her anymore, it is about the people around her and the puellae magi that came before her. The sacrifices of those girls, their suffering, and how all mankind benefited from it.

Madoka has gained a lot of information that allows her to reflect about herself, and about others. Madoka's motives changes from "I want to stop being weak and feeling bad about myself" to "I want to save everyone, not to feel good about myself, but to stop the suffering and save everyone" and that "everyone" includes her family, her friends, and Homura. That's Madoka's true motive. Madoka goes from wanting to be selfless for selfish reasons to wanting to be selfless for selflessness itself (''"To act freely is not to choose the best means to a given end. It's to choose the end itself for its own sake"''). By removing Madoka's selfish desire from her wish, she literally removes her self and her physical presence as a consequence. What Madoka is doing is trying to respect the humanity of others (and the puellae magi), she isnt using her own sacrifice to make herself good, she cast away that selfish idea ("being selfless for selfish reasons"). During her scene with her mother in [[Episode 11]] Madoka has finally grown up, she knows that what she is doing will hurt her family but she also knows that she is the only one who can save her family and her town from disaster. Not as a noble sacrifice, but as a moral duty as an adult. Madoka wants to do the right thing for the right reasons, she wants to stop the Puellae Magi's suffering, not to make Madoka powerful, not to make Madoka feel good about herself, but because she truly believes it is the right thing to do to stop the cycle of suffering.

Madoka's journey was long and painful and critics would like to say that Madoka was too indecisive. But I think the reason it was such a long journey for Madoka it's because Madoka was just being a typical teenage girl trying to figure out herself.

As a final note, the concert scene with Sayaka is an indicator of how much Madoka has grown. Madoka admits that she could have changed Sayaka's fate, but to do so she would have to stop her from making her wish, so instead she allows Sayaka's right to follow her decision. Sayaka agrees with Madoka's choice to respect her own decisions and the consequences that come with it (as they seem to be aware of the Law of Cycles). This indicates that Madoka respects the puellae magi's wishes and their choices, giving them the dignity and respect that Kyubey never gave them. Then when their time was over, Madoka would come and help them pass so their sacrifice wouldn't be in vain and their suffering would end quietly with no regrets. According with an interview with Urobuchi, this is [http://yaranakya.wordpress.com/2011/08/31/pandoras-box-1-madoka-goes-terrorist/ Madoka's own way to acknowledge the magical girls' own hopes and wishes without negating them]. ''"Instead of living to chase after a dream as your goal, you should turn your way of living into your dream."''

:I never actually thought that reading someone else's philosophically-founded analysis could increase my understanding of an anime, but you've done it. This was very insightful for me. とっても素敵。[[User:Holycrap|Holycrap]] 21:16, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::I really think the characters in Madoka could be philosophically analyzed, Kyoko is one character I would like to try. I think there she has a mixture of extreme Libertarian philosophies within her character but my understanding of philosophy is limited. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:36, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

:I agree with Kant, but not with you. Sayaka is a selfless person with her own desire as well, but she helped Kyosuke not just because of her selfish desire, but also her good will. The problem of Sayaka is her compulsive personality, she forces herself to be a good person, while taking great damage(mental and physical) for other people, she ignores her own heart(In episode 9, what is written on the posters on the wall at the entrance of Octavia's barrier is a twisted form of "look at me", as mentioned by Yuuki Aoi in the commentary video). In a sense, this is very selfless, but you may also say her selflessness is fake because it's the "compulsive selflessness" and it is not the will of her true heart. However, still, Sayaka is basically a selfless person, it's wrong to interpret her as a selfish person, a selfless person is not a person without any selfish desires.
:It is very wrong to interpret Madoka as a person who had being selfless for selfish reasons, she's a true selfless person in nature, this has never changed.--[[User:SayakaMadoka|SayakaMadoka]] 16:47, 25 Sep 2011 (UTC)
::I dont doubt she was selfless, but the purpose of this philosophical opinion is if Madoka was selfless for the right reasons or selfless for the wrong reason. I am not bashing Madoka, instead I believe Madoka overcomes her difficulty by doing self reflection. Remember, in all timelines Madoka always becomes a Witch. No matter what wish she makes, the wish would be twisted because of the logical nature of it (according with Kyubey). Instead, Madoka overcomes it by understanding the nature of the wish and understanding her own self. Self-reflection. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:56, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
:::What I said is that Madoka had never being a person who had being selfless for selfish reasons, when I say "...she's a true selfless person in nature, this has never changed", I mean she's a true selfless person who's selfless for selfless reasons, and this has never changed. The thing that made Madoka see hope, and resonant with it, which turns her into her ultimate form, is the love of Homura(the spiral of love spins around the arrow of hope, supporting it, protecting it, making it powerful, another important metaphor, so beautiful and strong, isn't it?), not a realization of that she had being selfless for selfish reasons, because she had never being.[[User:SayakaMadoka|SayakaMadoka]] 22:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I dont doubt Madoka wants to be good and selfless, but I disagree with the idea she was wholly selfless. She was pure and innocent but not a saint. Madoka is the embodiment of innocence, childhood, and love. But Madoka is also a character who carries flaws like her lack of self-esteem or her inability to believe in herself from the very beginning (this is one reason many fans disliked her in the beginning. They dismissed her as lacking character and a coward, which I disagree). When Madoka cries or feels bad, that's a natural reaction from a child. Madoka stopped running away and crying in the end when she became a bit wiser and mature. We also saw that her idea of mahou shoujo in the begining was more in line with a typical magical girl shows and she wanted to emulate Mami's courage and strength without truly understanding how much Mami had to sacrifice. Once she learns and experiences her life difficulties, instead of running she faces it. Madoka is growing, evolving. If Madoka was selfless and pure since the beginning then there is no transformative element, there is no "change" and with that there is no true hope (for the rest of humanity or the Puella Magi). Madoka's transformation as a Witch is not a result of Madoka's corruption of her purity, it was Madoka's inability to see her own corruptive power. It is true that Homura's love for Madoka led to Madoka's transformative change. However, we have to remember that Madoka didn't develop deep feeling for Homura. Even Homura can see it in Episode 11 and states that their feeling are growing apart. Madoka only realizes Homura's feelings at the end of her evolved transformation. If you listen to Madoka's conversation, she states that she could not understand Homura until Madoka was able to see all of her previous versions and timelines. Only then Madoka could comprehend Homura in a deep manner. Even Urobuchi agrees with this, and that is why he calls it [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Shinjidai_no_Mixture_Magazine_BLACK_PAST "cruel"]. That doesn't mean that Madoka didn't care for Homura's safety in Episode 12, it just means that Madoka cared for the safety of everyone in town (including her family ) at that time. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:38, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Madoka is selfless at the beginning, but she couldn't see hope and resonant with it while facing the greatest darkness, until Homura's love making her powerful - that's the transformation, love makes her see, that desperation is unnecessary, no matter how strong the darkness is, it can always be shattered by the power of hope(which means the conservation of hope and desperation is not true, not matter how it seems to be, it is not. Or you can say the rule of Universe, which is the conservation of hope and desperation, has being changed. The two statements are equivalent). Madoka doesn't understand Homura consciously at the beginning, but her subconsciousness is transformed by her love without her realizing it(She could even feel the love but she doesn't know where it comes from. If her subconsciousness hasn't changed, why would she become more and more powerful? Since only the heart of a Puella magi determines her magical power). I don't know why you don't like the saying that Madoka became a witch because of her being corrupted, I think this is a good way to describe it. Madoka is not unable to see her own corruptive power, since in some timelines before she's being turned into a witch, she knew what is inside her is going to turn her into a witch.
:::::I'm not saying Madoka is perfect at the beginning, but she's almost totally selfless, and she hasn't done anything selfless for selfish reasons until the moment she was turned into a witch--[[User:SayakaMadoka|SayakaMadoka]] 23:16, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
::You misunderstand, I am not saying that Sayaka's selflessness is fake, the problem with Sayaka is that she lacks self reflection. Sayaka only realized the meaning of being a magical girl in Episode 9, by then it was too late and she transformed into a witch. I believe what Sayaka did was noble, she was also stubborn and childish. In her heart she thought she was doing good, in reality all she did was hurt others, including Madoka. IF Sayaka had been more honest with her feelings and her motives, perhaps her wish would not have gone unfulfilled, but that's just assuming. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:56, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

:Oh, wow. WOW. I know that I'm pretty late to the whole congratulatory party, Mutopis(?), but I gotta say, I REALLY loved your analysis of Madoka's character, which I completed this early morn. I think it helps settle, at least somewhat, one of the little enduring qualms about I've had the ending-- a qualm that I was actually thinking on earlier tonight-- even though I personally regard Madoka's as one of the absolute best anime endings I've seen. And that was just how drastically fast and life-altering Madoka's development seemed to be, from (literally and mentally) a 14 year old girl to a goddess-like figure with a wisdom that surely can't be comprehended by our living humanity. There wasn't a lot of breathing room for this development! It's not like how it was with Jesus Christ, who knew of his universal significance and the fate that awaited him and lived every day of his life as we know it in preparation for it. Why, it's not even like most stories centered on a Hero's Journey, where the hero knows that he or she matters in some big way or another for a majority or reasonably large portion of the story. BUT-- seeing you map out her characterization, her subtle demonstrations of kindness and maturity, and your reminder of the revelations/conversations Madoka's had in episode 6 and 11-- the "transformation" has definitely become easier to come to grips with; it doesn't seem as extremely sudden as it did before. (still fairly accelerated, though.) (Really, thanks for giving greater context to the dialogue/revelation in episode 11's content-- I have actually semi-purposefully limited my own exposure to both episodes 11 & 12, having only let myself go through whole episode viewings twice each despite having the whole series on VLC. It's probably some combination of not wanting to make myself cry more, not wanting the ending to lose meaning to me, and not wanting to come to grips that the story, until the third movie's contents are revealed, is really over and done.) [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 09:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

== Kyubey and Utilitarianism ==

I am working on Kyubey's utilitarianism, this space is for a rough draft.

Urobuchi's view in energy conservation and connection to [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/SWITCH_2011-07_Vol.29_No.07 Kyubey's utilitarianism] [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Spa_Weekly!_2011-07-19 kyubey's belief] and [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Newspapers_2011 the overly romanticism of (good) reality (false perception) and good intentions with bad results of unhappiness] and [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Newspapers_2011 trade offs]. By the way I am reading Michael Sandel's book [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBdfcR-8hEY "Justice"] and it is a good source of understanding philology. Will finish when I can. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 04:11, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

:I take it that the words below are your voice (and not an attempt at translation), right, Mutopis? I ask for purpose of response. ;) -- [[User:NS|preceding comment by NS]] 16:46, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
::I can confirm these are not Urobuchi's thoughts. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
::This is a philosophical essay with my words, I use some comments and information from interviews and some material from the book "Justice" to interpret the anime series in a philosophical way. I am using the same method that I did with [[Talk:Madoka_Kaname|Madoka and her motives]] to appreciate and get a better understanding. I want to see if Kyubey's utilitarianism is that simple or it is more complex than that, and why it seems justifiable (I am playing the devil's advocate), but more importantly to demonstrate that Kyubey is not evil, but just follows what he was created to do. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 20:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

*Guys, if you like to contribute or express an opinion about the essay, you are more than welcome. This is just a rough draft. I think I will be working on this for a while and I would like some opinions to make sure it remains consistent. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
*I hope no one has any problem with this essay being long. To tell you the truth I have no idea how long this will grow into. I am still working, rewriting, doing few changes here and there... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:51, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

** Thanks for your professional opinion. But there are too many changes a day, and that makes it troublesome to track changes. Isn't it better to write into a file in your computer first to reduce modification to the page? And I think it good to open a new topic talking about this. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:26, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
:Well, this looks interesting, but it seems a bit long for this talkpage. I think it might be better suited either as a subpage under your user namespace or as a proper article.--[[User:Knon|Knon]] 12:37, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
::I wanted to leave it here for those who wanted to understand the character of Kyubey. I dont know, an article page about philosophy?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:16, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:::A link to a new page would work just as well for those further interested in Kyubey. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 04:51, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
* I did a lot of cleaning and polishing. If anyone wants to fix some spelling errors and such, you are more than welcome. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:16, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

===What is Utilitarianism?===

The Human Philosophy known as [[wikipedia:Utilitarianism|utilitarianism]] can be easily breakdown as the philosophy that pursues the maximization of happiness and the reduction of pain, or at least the creation of happiness that surpasses the overall total of pain. If Kyubey's brand of utilitarianism was that simple there would be no need for this essay. But utilitarianism, like all brands of philosophy, have taken several different developments and each one has a distinctive flavor that requires recognition. This will be an attempt to understand Kyubey's own brand of Utilitarianism.

According with [[Episode 9|Kyubey's mission]], he wants to save the universe by offsetting the depletion of the universe's energy (actually, Kyubey's statement is wrong, the correct assessment would be to stop [[Thermodynamics|the permanent loss of heat]], but who am I to question an advance alien race?). To accomplish this mission Kyubey's alien race has found the answer to the problem, the harvesting of human emotion. The process is simply, give a human magical powers to maximize their sense of hope, then reverse their hope to be turned into despair, during the process the despair energy would be released during the witchfication process thus repairing the damage done to the universe. Repeat the process countless of times until an appropriate energy quota per planet is reached. Sounds simple yet horrifying at the same time. For many this is an example of utilitarianism as its worst, many critics believe that Kyubey is justifying the exploration of little girls to save the universe. However, before we can accuse Kyubey of anything, it is essential to understand the moral nature, as well as Kyubey's reasoning behind it, to determine if the reasoning is justifiable.

===Kyubey and Bentham: Let us just enslave the human race!===

Invaders from another galaxy have decided that to save the universe, they must harvest energy to repair the damage already done to it. Their race is incapable of producing such energy by themselves, but thanks to their advance technology they have detected a source of energy that is perfect to solve their crisis. They have detected a "bizarre" mental behavior known as "emotions" capable of producing the required energy but it goes unprocessed and it is localized in another galaxy. The inhabitants of this alien galaxy are equally strange as primitive, not only do they suffer from this mental anomaly known as emotions, but they are being wasteful by not fully developing its potential. Such a waste of energy would be a crime if left unharvested. The alien race decides to invade this galaxy, enslave the inhabitants, and fully exploit its potential by maximizing the production of energy to meet their quota... or so it should be if this was Bentham's brand of utilitarianism but it is not (at least not completely). This is the first indicator that there is something odd about Kyubey's utilitarianism.

According with Jeremy Bentham, the goal of Utilitarianism is to produce as much happiness as possible, regardless of the means. But most importantly, all forms of happiness and all form of pains have their own equal moral value (no pleasure is better or highest than the other). Which means one form of happiness cannot be measured against another form of happiness; the same can be said about pain. It takes people's preferences as they are without passing judgement on its moral worth. It would be presumptuous to judge some pleasures to be inherently better than others. At the heart of it, Bentham's utilitarianism is nonjudgmental, to him all pleasures are equal. The assumption is that by measuring and calculating the values of pleasure and pains into a formula, one can reach an agreeable moral choice that would promote the general welfare and happiness of the populace. Let us consider the issue at hand, the whole universe is going to be destroyed and all Kyubey is doing is extinguishing a few souls to preserve the general welfare and happiness of countless galaxies. Perhaps one whole planet would be annihilated in the process, but what is a few billion souls when you take into account billions and billions of worlds that would be saved. Some would object that exploiting and even killing human beings is immoral and wrong. Yet, Kyubey would point out that humans do it all the time to one another, and not only that but that they even do it against other lower life forms for their own selfish benefit. After all, aren't humans exploiting animals and other organism to feed their populace, to attain monetary gain, and maintain their civilization? (be it on the agricultural sector or for medical research or a source of cheap labor). Why should humans be given a preferential treatment? After all, maybe there are more advance and worthier alien species out there that deserves to be saved more than humans, and maybe that makes humans the lower life form. On this cold and calculating equation to save the universe one has to arrive to one simple conclusion. If saving the universe by exploiting the emotions of humans has the same moral value than domesticating cattle to feed society, then it should be reasonable to say that Bentham would not object to enslaving the human race to achieve Kyubey's objective. While one would object that it would be morally wrong to exploit humans, one would also have to argue that it would be equally morally wrong to allow the universe to be destroyed. In the utilitarian equation it would be better for one whole planet to suffer than the whole universe to collapse. After all, saving the universe at the expense of the human race would create the greatest form of happiness for the rest of the galaxy. It would suck for the human race, but stopping the end of the universe trumps anything and everything. And if you don't like what Kyubey is doing then too bad, the end justifies the means and the universe would be saved, like it or not.

Yet, as stated before, that is not the case here, at least partially. Apparently, Kyubey and the aliens have some sort of moral code of their own that disallow them to force humans to enter into a contract (slavery) but they are also not allowed to deceive (false advertisement) or lie to them either (this is, of course, up to debate). However, they do not seem to have any moral qualms regarding the harvesting of human emotions to save the galaxy, just the slavery part.

One objection to utilitarianism is the attempt to measure pleasure and pain in a single scale while ignoring the qualitative experience of pleasure and pain. For many, certain forms of pleasure are not only higher but also worthier than others. It is believed that the pursue of a nobler pleasure would allow utilitarianism to the arrival of the greatest good. One could make an argument that saving the universe would create happiness but that the quality of happiness would suffer at the expense of perverse methods used for to attain it. Instead, one could say that Kyubey is trying to create the greatest form of happiness by using much more nobler (albeit questionable) methods to attain it. Rather than force the human race into submission and slavery, why not entice them into a fair contract?

===Kyubey and Mill: Humans are not Cattle.===

One of the biggest flaws regarding Benthram's utilitarianism is that it doesn't give adequate recognition to human dignity and individual liberty. In its attempt to measure, aggregate, and calculate happiness in a nonjudgmental manner (democratizing all forms of pleasures equally) it eliminates the qualitative and unique moral value of pleasure and pain. What Bentham has done is reduce everything of moral importance to a single scale. John Stuart Mill tries to recalculate utilitarianism into a more humane and less calculating doctrine (a more human-friendly form of utilitarianism that is less prone to enslaving the human race) to achieve a munch nobler form of Utilitarianism that tries to promote the greatest good while recognizing the liberty of individuals. On Mill's ideal version of utilitarianism, as long as no one gets hurt and no one imposes their beliefs on others, then everyone is allowed to exercise their own free will and liberty to achieve the correct moral value that results in the greatest good.

Let us go back to our scenario regarding an alien race looking for a solution to save our universe. The aliens realized that the human race are the perfect source of emotional energy to be harvested to repair the damage already done to the universe. Kyubey's aliens know that humans are still primitive and prone to their own mental illness known as emotions. Why not put them to better use by enslaving them and harvesting all their energy? At least they would suffer for a noble cause. According with Mill this would be wrong for two reasons. One, it violates the liberty and rights of the human race and its individuals, no one should force them to be used as resources, no matter the cause. Second, the issue at stake here is that the noble idea to save the universe gets tainted because of the process that it is used to achieve the result. Why is this important? It could be damaging for the promotion of general welfare and happiness. Bentham would just suggest that "the end justifies the means" as long as the highest form of happiness is achieved. But Mill's issue is that such inhumane methods may create the greatest form of happiness today, but in the long run it could promote reckless behavior with devastating results. And who is to say that the human race wont try to overthrow their alien overlords to free themselves? Mill is trying to use utilitarian principles as an attempt to promote progressive behavior (the pursue of not the highest pleasure but the noble ones as well).

Let us take for example the danger of creating a Superwitch like [[Kriemhild Gretchen]]. We saw the devastating results that took place in [[Episode 10]] in which the Earth was destroyed along with all life on the planet. According with Kyubey the creation of Kriemhild Gretchen allowed Kyubey to meet its energy quota in the short run. Of course, this [[wikipedia:slash-and-burn|slash-and-burn]] method was very profitable for Kyubey but what about the loss of future energy collection now that the Earth is dead? No problem, Kyubey states that there are other planets to exploit and using its cold logic the benefits outweighed the risks. Let us assume that what Kyubey is probably saying is that Gretchen produced more energy in a single day than a lifetime collection from the Earth. Perhaps this single offset prevented the future despair of millions of girls; isn't that a better outcome? To reduce the despair of future victims? Not to mention Incubators are now much closer on saving the universe. If this is correct, then losing the planet Earth was an acceptable loss to attain a large reserve of despair energy (perhaps the largest in history), according to Bentham. But Mill would disagree, what about the consequences? What about the fact that this act stains the noble cause to save the universe?

Kriemhild Gretchen is a Superwitch, but apparently at the moment she is no threat to the galaxy. She may be powerful enough to kill one planet but she still small and powerless enough to be no threat to the alien race or to the whole galaxy for that matter. But let us say overtime she could be, perhaps with time she would find a way to travel to other planets and start growing. Wont this become an issue in the future? And what about the reckless behavior that it promoted? Wont there be a danger that other Incubators from other planets would like try to recreate the same scenario to meet their quota? Soon, it would not just be one planet, but perhaps a few docents and even more that are suddenly destroyed by a Superwitch. And who is to say that these Superwitches wont find a way to merge their powers and create a Super Walpurgis Night powerful enough to destroy the whole universe? Should Incubators take such chance? That is what could happen in the worst case scenario. Of course, this a fabricated scenario of a possible future event. No one knows what the consequences would be like after the destruction of the Earth. It could promote the accelerated process to end the whole galaxy, instead of saving it, but it is just as likely that it doesn't. But that is one dangerous scenario regarding utilitarianism that Mill would like to avoid.

So, what is Mill's advice for Kyubey regarding utility? Well, not slaving the human race for one. Which in fact that is what they did. As stated by Kyubey, it is against the rules to force humans to become a mahou shoujo against their will. It is their individual choice to decide if they want to become one. This would seem to indicate that Kyubey respects the rights of individuals rather than violate them. After all, Kyubey can be found promoting the Mahou Shoujo lifestyle without forcing anyone to join in, as it is per rules. But what about the recognition for human dignity? Isn't it implied that by harvesting and using humans as resources are they no better than cattle to be consumed? But Kyubey has already an answer for it. Let us not forget that Kyubey recognizes humans to be unique creatures with a noble goal and purpose, according with [[Episode 11]]. Kyubey knows that humans are not lower life forms like cattle just to be harvested and consumed to save the universe, regardless of how humans treat each other or other lower lifeforms. Kyubey states that while it would be for the greater good to harvest human emotions, regardless how Madoka feels personally, at least Kyubey and the alien race took the effort to recognize their uniqueness. Of course, that seems like a nice speech but it still requires substance and evidence behind his words. One clear evidence is that if Kyubey thought humans were cattle then why bother with allowing humans to roam free? Why the rules regarding the respect of personal liberty and choice? We must also remember that as a sign of recognition regarding the uniqueness of humans, they are allowed one single wish in the transaction. Kyubey could easily steal their human soul but they are forbidden to do so. Kyubey states that is one reason why humans are allowed such honor for accepting a contract. While it is true that Kyubey is using humans as a resource, they are neither slave nor cattle, no one is forcing them to make a contract to join in. Instead, the mahou shoujo are like employees and they are given the opportunity and honor to sacrifice their own lives for a noble goal. Isn't that what a mahou shoujo is all about? Girls of justice and noble sacrifice to triumph over evil? It is not slavery if a mahou shoujo gives consent and it is not exploitation if they accept a wish as a form of payment.

However, there is a certain flaw regarding this argument that Kyubey is practicing a brand of Mill's utilitarianism, and that is that we are assuming that is what Kyubey is doing. First of all, as anyone who has watched the show, would have noticed that Kyubey's actions and behavior have been deceptive so far (Kyubey would disagree). Not to mention the fact that Kyubey concealed the true nature of witches and mahou shoujo from starry-eye naive girls. And who can forget the mess that resulted for the Earth in [[Episode 10]], and Kyubey's disregard for the well being of the planet's inhabitants. Was that Kyubey being cold and cruel? Or was Kyubey just accepting the hard facts as it were, and was there really nothing that Kyubey could have done about it? To Mill, he would be appalled; after all the goal of utilitarianism is to achieve not just happiness but to make sure that the practice of utility would retain long term results. The destruction of the Earth may be good for the survival of the universe, but Mill would not consider that to be an acceptable loss for the greater good if the rights of billions of humans are violated in the process. What about the adverse effect that it would produce? Couldn't this establish a terrible precedent for future energy collection processes and encourage bad immoral behavior through out the galaxy.

Such practice and behavior brings into question Kyubey's moral value and its sensibility, if it was being measured against human values. There lies a fundamental problem, we know nothing regarding this alien culture and their definition of morality (for all we know their doctrine is based on emotionless cold logic), but for the sake of argument let us assume that they do share our same view regarding morality. Can it be said that Kyubey's utilitarianism tries to remain faithful to either Bentham or Mill? Is it a mixture of it? Or perhaps it is neither and both, perhaps it is an unique form of utilitarianism? Or maybe the problem lies with Mill's utilitarianism, in which we are expecting Kyubey to live up to its principle ideally. But before that, we have to ask ourselves. Are we judging Kyubey unfairly?

===Let's Make a Deal: The Meaning of Consent.===

Let us explore the process in which one accepts a contract. One day a furry magical creature approaches you with the promise of making you into a magical girl and in exchange you get one wish. It sounds like a great bargain but you wonder if there is a trick to it. Of course, before you can accept the deal, the magical creature is obligated to disclose to you the dangers of becoming a magical girl. It informs you that you will be fighting witches, but you will be granted magical powers to defeat them. Sounds fair, right? What Kyubey is doing is offering you a product that sounds too good to be true, the creature discloses the terms of conditions (fight witches to gain more magic and to keep yourself alive) in exchange for the opportunity to attain any wish that you want (within the limits of karmatic energy availability). The process sounds simple and you do not suspect anything. After all, it seems that you are being recruited to hunt down evil Witches who are eating innocent humans, it sounds like a noble cause. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity that may never come up again (unless you are one of those girls who Kyubey decides to pester every opportunity to make a contract). You are swoon and tempted by the opportunity that you decide to accept the contract, perhaps you feel desperate enough to want your wish that you decide it is better than nothing. Then somehow you later learn that what you signed into was not what you expected, you are horrified to learn the truth behind the Puella Magi System that you want a way out to avoid your fate into becoming a Witch. But Kyubey refuses to do anything to reverse the process and tells you that you are under contractual obligation to fulfill your part of the bargain. It informs you that you are under no obligation to hunt down witches if you want, as it will accelerate the transformation process if you keep using your magic for anything else, but the process itself cannot be stopped. You accuse Kyubey of lying and the furry creature would refute your accusation by saying that it never lied and that you never ask for more details of what being a magical girl entails (in other words, you never read the fine print). But most importantly, Kyubey would maintain that since you consented to become a magical girl, you also consented with the terms and conditions of the contract that came with it: Fight witches until the moment of metamorphosis, in which the despair energy would be collected to repair the universe. Once a witch you would be freed from your contractual obligation and live the rest of your life as a witch until you are killed by another magical girl (of course, Kyubey wouldn't say it outright in the beginning. If Kyubey was a lawyer he would probably codified it in legalize to avoid annoying questions). But the point is clear, not only you gave consent to become a witch, but you failed to properly educate yourself with the consequences of becoming a Witch. In the end, the failure lies with you. Perhaps Kyubey should wear a [[wikipedia:Caveat_emptor|''"Caveat Emptor"'']] sign around his neck to warn would-be magical girls, but that would undermine Kyubey's purpose and Kyubey would declare that that would be unfair for the universe, as it would guarantee the destruction of all life, along with planet Earth in the near or far future.

Let us analyze what went wrong and determine who truly is at fault. First of all, what is consent? And once we learn the meaning of it. Does it meet the requirements to be declared consensual? Or did any girl who consented did not truly consented because it did not meet the requirements for it?

Consent refers to the provision of approval, particularly and especially after thoughtful consideration. To be considered a consent, means that the individuals gives acceptance to an agreement after making an inform decision. However, those who believe that Kyubey is deceitful would point out that any girls' consent is tainted because their informed decision lacked the adequate information to make a rational decision. Some would even go so far as to say that Kyubey used coercion to attain their consent during questionable situations. Therefore, critics would say it fails to meet the requirements for consent. If we consider Kyubey's practice to be deceitful and with the added element of coercion into it, it does bring into question wherever Kyubey's actions are valid and legal (if you could somehow take an alien to court to enforce Earth/national laws. But let us say that you can for the sake of argument).

First, the issue of coercion. One great example that we can use is [[Tomoe Mami]]'s case. Mami is a victim of a car crash accident (let us say for convenience that there is no foul play in part of Kyubey) and she is dying. The ambulance is on its way but it wont make it on time and Mami's body is already failing. Her body is mere minutes away from death and nothing can be done for her. Then suddenly, Kyubey appears and tells her that if she would like to make a contract. Kyubey informs Mami that it would grant her one wish and she would be fighting witches for the rest of her life. And she can make any wish she wants. This is a classic example of obtaining consent during duress. Mami has two choices to make, either accept Kyubey's contract and become a mahou shoujo or die. So she made her wish, she wished she could live (actually we dont know the actual wording of the wish, but it is assumed it had something to do with saving her life). Critics would say that Kyubey was being manipulative and unfair, that Mami's consent was tainted. The only way that Mami's consent would be valid, would be if Kyubey had approached Mami before the accident or if Kyubey had saved Mami's life first then ask her if she would like to make a contract with Kyubey.

I would like to point out certain issues on this case. In accordance with utilitarianism (in which Mami chose the pleasure of living over the pain of dying), Mami benefited from Kyubey's contract and any complains she may have against Kyubey is invalid. After all, Mami wanted to not die and Kyubey wanted to get a contract from Mami. Both of them had something that the other wanted and in the exchange they both got it. Under that rationality it would be hardly unfair. Second, even if one considers Mami's consent to be tainted or coerced, their complain is invalid. After all, the idea of coercion would mean that someone's rights was violated. Unless someone can find evidence that Kyubey staged the accident, then maybe they would have a point, but it is not. There is also the issue that Kyubey obtained Mami's consent while dying. Critics like to point out that Kyubey should have saved Mami first, instead it was taking advantage of the situation. We have to remember, in the case of Kyubey we do not know what kind of magical powers Kyubey itself can use or do, Kyubey is simply part of the process to create and grant wishes. It's like saying "Why Kyubey cant wish itself to repair the universe?" Because it cant. For all that we know, approaching Mami with a contract was Kyubey's way of helping her. Let us assume that this is correct (a big assumption, I know) and Kyubey is a powerful yet powerless creature unless a wish is made. If this is correct, then there is nothing Kyubey could have done by itself other than grant wishes. If Kyubey is guilty of anything, is perhaps of taking advantage of a situation. Of course, critics would continue to question the issue of validity within Mami's consent, and whatever she was on her right mind to make such decision. But the fact remains that, regardless of the situation, Mami still gave consent to save her life and she benefited from her choice. Kyubey would like to point out that it doesn't matter in which situation Kyubey got her consent, the fact remains that in Mami's case if it hadn't approached her she would be dead, instead she got to live longer (just to be killed by a [[Charlotte|cheese eating Witch]]). If anything, Mami benefited the most from the situation (to Kyubey's point of view). And since a deal is a deal, it is hardly unfair as long as both party benefited. I would agree that the issue regarding consent in Mami's case is a bit murky and difficult to determine, because of the lack of proper information. However, since we are trying to determine a conclusion with the given information, this would be my own impression. According with Bentham, the issue regarding consent doesn't matter since an individual's right don't matter on the utilitarian equation, and since both parties benefited at the time, the deal was hardly unfair. For Mill, since Mami got to live longer and she avoided the pain of death, she got the greatest good in return. While it is true that the issue of consent is at the heart of the question, we have to assume that in Mill's equation, the desire to live and the want for self-preservation would outweigh her individual's right. Mill would agree that Mami's liberty must be preserved on the utilitarian equation, but when you are weighting the two rights of the same individual, which side has the greater value? On one side it is Mami's right to life, on the other it is Mami's right to be allowed to consent free of pressure, deception, and duress. But let us be clear, Kyubey did not create the situation that Mami was in, and also there was the issue of time. Given what was occurring, there is not enough evidence to find culpability with Kyubey at the moment of the accident. And since Mami's life was at risk, her right to life takes precedent. And Mill would also like to remind us that no one got hurt during the deal (it did more than that, it prevented someone from dying). The issue of Mami's right being violated is moot since Mami's rights were preserved by saving her life so she could continue to exercise those same rights. According to Mill, actions and consequences aren't the only issue, an individual's character also matters. If Mami were to die she would be deprived to exercise her rights and to develop her character as an individual. And what would be the worst precedent from this quandary? Kyubey appearing to every girl close to death and giving them the chance to save their own lives? Wouldn't that create the greatest happiness? And what if every girl Kyubey saves from death are like Mami, or even better? Wouldn't that be not just good for society but even better? (let us assume that Kyubey saves more girls like Mami than Kyouko on this contingent assumption). Mill would agree that protecting Mami's right is important for utility to preserve the general welfare. However, he would also agree that since the rights violated were inconsequential to society (and for Mami) and instead it promoted the greatest good with harm to no one, then it has served its purpose to serve the greatest good.

Let us set aside Mami's case for now and let us examine the accusation of Kyubey's deception. Critics and detractors have objected to Kyubey's practices on attaining victims for his scam and they have accused Kyubey of lying to get its goal. As always, Kyubey would disagree with them. I don't have to tell you what Bentham's side would be regarding on lying, since he wouldn't see a problem with this as long as Kyubey's action maximizes happiness (eg: save the universe). But what about on Mill's side of utilitarianism? What would be Mill's view on lying be?

===I cannot tell a lie, you will fail Kyoko.===

Let us picture this scenario. Kyubey is chasing down Madoka and it is seeking her location, it arrives to Homura's residency but before Homura gets to fill that furry alien with bullets, Kyubey asks if Homura has seen Madoka. Prior to Kyubey's arrival, Madoka has sought refuge within Homura's home and she is hiding. On this situation, Mill would say that lying is ok because it serves to the greater good, to protect a girl from Kyubey. To Mill, lying is ok as long as it saves lives and serves its purpose to create happiness. While lying is deceitful, it has some good uses. And as long as the lie harms no one, then there shouldn't be any problem. But what about when Kyubey uses lying to save the universe? Wouldn't that also be for the greatest good? No, it wouldn't be. Kyubey would have violated the liberty of individual girls by forcing them into contracts under false pretense, and by using falsehood and deception, Kyubey has tainted the utility and quality of the greater good. The problem with this assumption, is that it believes that Kyubey would lie, cheat, and steal to attain his goal when in facts it is the opposite. Let us first try to understand Kyubey's "deception" and determine if there is some ground for such accusation.

Observers would notice three things about Kyubey. Whenever it seeks a contract it would only give a basic information and minimal detail regarding what the job entails; when someone ask a question that could unravel the true nature of the Puella Magi System, Kyubey would try to give a satisfactory answer that doesn't divulge too much information; and sometimes when someone wants an honest answer from Kyubey, it would divulge answers that could be interpreted differently that, strictly speaking, could be misleading ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqzW0eHzDSQ&feature=relmfu a misleading truth]). The problem here is that none of this proves that Kyubey has ever lied. It is true that Kyubey has omitted information whenever it suited its purpose, it is also true that Kyubey divulged information with the prospect of influencing events to his favor, and that it tried to hide facts by being vague or evasive without being false. But, was Kyubey a liar? Was Kyubey maliciously deceiving girls for his advantage? In other words, there is a difference between being purposely deceitful and another is using misleading truths (without being false or lying) in the hope that it would be incorrectly interpreted on Kyubey's favor.

Let us start with Sayaka as an example. In [[Episode 2]], Sayaka asks Kyubey what are Witches and how are they any different from mahou shoujo. Kyubey's response was simple yet clever, if a mahou shoujo is born from wishes then witches are born from curses. So a mahou shoujo spreads hope while a Witch spreads despair. Nowhere in this sentence is Kyubey lying, technically Kyubey is not only telling the truth but it briefly gives a glimpse to the Puella Magi System. Of course, you have to read between the lines and be a bit clever to realize it but to anyone unfamiliar with the system, they wouldn't even give much of a second thought. At that moment if Sayaka had pressed further the issue, who knows how far could Kyubey could have avoided telling the whole truth. But sadly, Sayaka didn't. So in effect, as long as they fail to ask the right questions, it is not Kyubey's fault.

Let us look to another example regarding Kyubey's clever way to influence a situation by telling a misleading (but carefully prepared) truth. In [[Episode 9]], Kyoko asks Kyubey if there is a way to get Sayaka's Soul Gem back. Kyubey responds that it doesn't know of any known method. We all know that Kyubey is using a careful evasion not to divulge its opinion, but at the same time tries to divulge the truth. Kyoko not wanting to give up asks Kyubey if are there things that even Kyubey doesnt know. Kyubey replies that it doesn't know everything that there is to know. It acknowledges that the nature of magic defies logic and that it wouldn't be surprising if something absurd did came out of it (let us not forget, Kyubey makes the impossible possible). Kyoko takes Kyubey's response as acknowledging that there is a possibility for her hopes. However, that is a misleading truth. Kyubey does acknowledge that magic defies logic, that what Kyoko would try to attempt has never been tried before. But Kyubey also knows that what Kyoko is suggesting is impossible and would never succeed as it "defies logic"; and even if for some absurd miracle something did happen, the odds of it are astronomical. Of course, Kyubey doesn't tell her that directly, instead it uses misleading truths and facts to confuse Kyoko so she would reach to the wrong conclusion. If you read between the lines, Kyubey is saying that what Kyoko is attempting is foolish and impossible, but Kyubey also adds that magic belongs to the realm of the impossible and that its nature is not well understood (but I am certain that Kyubey is betting that logic would prevail). Whatever conclusion Kyoko ever arrives to, it is not Kyubey's fault. Since Kyubey would respond that it has only given her the information that she needed to reach to the right conclusion. If Kyoko misinterpreted Kyubey's information and instead got the wrong impression, then the fault lies with Kyoko. After all, Kyubey told her the truth and tries to neither encourage nor discourage Kyoko on her wrong conclusion. Kyubey does admit that it usually stops a pointless sacrifice (don't get the wrong idea, Kyubey just doesn't like to lose girls too early before their emotions can be harvested) but in this case it didn't stop her. According to Kyubey, losing Kyoko has a great advantage to further utility. Now, critics would point out that Kyubey killed Kyoko by not discouraging her to stop her foolish plan. It is true, Kyubey did not tried to stop her, instead it just allowed the situation to unfold itself. But here is what it gets tricky, according to Mill people have the freedom to do whatever they want as long as they are not hurting others ''"Government may not interfere with individual liberty in order to protect a person from himself, or to impose the majority's beliefs about how best to live"''("Justice", pg. 49). In essence, Kyubey was allowing Kyoko to exercise her right to recklessly endanger herself. Kyubey knows well the dangers ahead for Kyoko, but since it is Kyoko's right to get herself killed, why interfere? After all, Kyoko knows very well how dangerous it is to meddle with a Witch, she is a veteran mahou shoujo, so she already knows the risks already. If Kyoko wanted to risk her life for an impossible task, then that was her right and her freedom to do so. But let us say hypothetically, what if Kyoko knew what Kyuey was thinking and she still decided to take a gamble? What if Kyoko knew Kyubey was using misleading truths to get rid of her? Critics would say that Kyubey should had at least warn her and told her the truth of the matter. After all, Kyoko is stubborn and would do whatever she wants, no matter the objections. Here is what Mill's utility tell us. First of all, Kyubey has the right and liberty to discard and tell any information in any way it wants it to be, Kyubey can be directly honest and get to the point or deliver the truth in such a way that it could be misinterpreted (as long as Kyubey's words are truthful). Kyubey would also add that it did warn Kyoko on its own way, Kyubey told her that what Kyoko was attempting has never been done in the past and in Kyubey's mind that was an enough warning. What Kyoko does after that is still Kyoko's responsibility. In the end, the fact remains that Kyubey is not attempting to tell a lie but it is attempting to tell the truth in a way that makes it the listeners responsibility to discern the correct conclusion. To force Kyubey to tell Kyoko the whole truth would be a violation of Kyubey's liberty. Also, Kyubey is not harming Kyoko by not telling her the directly the truth. Instead, it is Kyoko who does the harming by not correctly deciphering Kyubey's information. Kyubey would suggest that nowhere at any time it harmed Kyoko, it was in fact [[Oktavia]] who did most of the harming, because Kyoko was too dumb to realize that what she was attempting to do was impossible, and even more dumber for not reading between the lines what Kyubey was telling her. In Kyubey's words, it would say that it never lied; it would acknowledge that it withhold information, but that was because they never asked further; and if anyone ever felt deceived, it is their own fault for misunderstanding Kyubey's words (words that were always truthful). For those who say that Kyubey is deceptive, they are correct but for a different reason that critics would like to believe. Kyubey was hoping its words would be misinterpreted (I don't doubt that was its goal) while still honoring the values of honesty and veracity. That's what frustrates Kyubey's critics. It is true that Kyube is hoping to mislead its victims. But at the same time, Kyubey is honoring the moral laws within the boundaries by hoping that the victims would believe the truth that it's saying and the fact that it's communicating. If the victims misunderstood it's words and the message that Kyubey is communicating, it is not Kyubey's fault. And for that reason one can say that Kyubey is hoping to mislead while at the same time honoring the moral laws without telling a lie. Yes, Kyubey is deceptive but he/she is not a liar.<ref>I would like to make it clear that this is a [[wikipedia:Categorical_imperative|categorical imperative]] from a Kantian philosophy regarding "telling a lie", it is defined as a way of evaluating motivations for action (See, [[Talk:Madoka_Kaname|"Madoka and Minding her Motive"]]). Utilitarianism is considered a [[wikipedia:Consequentialism|consequentialism]], meaning that the moral worth of an action is determined by its resulting outcome. These two bands of philosophies are completely different from each other. But I thought Kant's explanation was much more beautiful and elegant regarding the difference between telling a lie and using a "misleading truth". If Kyubey was as smart as a [[wikipedia:Vulcan_(Star_Trek)|logical Vulcan]], I believe it would use the Kantian method of telling the truth.</ref>

And before anyone objects by saying that Kyubey never warned the girls that becoming a mahou shoujo means getting your soul ripped from your body, we have to take a look back at [[Episode 2]]. When Mami was giving her introductions to Madoka and Sayaka, Kyubey informed the girls that it can grant any wish they want, but that the price of that wish is the production of the Soul Gem and fighting Witches. Let us disregard the obvious fact that the word ''"Soul"'' is in the name of the magical jewelry; if you read between the lines, Kyubey is telling the girls (in its subtle way) that by granting them one wish it would create a Soul Gem as its price for it. Kyubey may not spell it directly, but even with this subtle information, anyone smart enough would be able to conclude that someone's soul would be ripped to create that magical gem (at least on Kyubey's mind). In other words, Kyubey did warn and informed the girls about how Soul Gems are created, they were just not clever enough to decipher that information.

Before we end this section I would like to address a criticism regarding an issue that none of the girls who contracted by Kyubey wished to become Witches. It is true that no mahou shoujo wants to become a witch. But let us examine Kyubey's language when it asks many of those girls if they would like to make a contract. When Kyubey asks Madoka if she would like to become a mahou shoujo, what Kyubey is actually asking is if Madoka would like to stop being human. Remember, what is a mahou shoujo? They are girls who can use magic, their healing abilities and strengths are faster and superior to humans, and it is suspected if their bodies were damaged they could be replaced (this is the closest to immortality they would ever get). Now, what is to be human? It is certain it is none of what I stated previously. Humans can't do magic, they dont heal fast, and they dont have replacing body parts when they are mangled horribly. When Kyoko was angry and told Kyubey that it changed them into zombies. Kyubey's answered that it was the only way that they could become a mahou shoujo, that there would be no other way to achieve the same such results or be able to use magic effectively. For safety and efficiency reasons their souls are turn into soul gems so a mahou shoujo can do their job more effectively, making them invincible and giving them better odds to survive a battle against a Witch. Isn't that nice from Kyubey? After all, it is looking after the best interest of the girls. It would be just as crueler to send weak human girls to fight against witches, in a way the Soul Gem process is much more "humane". Kyubey would also explain that the process of becoming a Witch is just an unfortunate effect of the mahou shoujo process. If they dont want to become Witches all they have to do is not taint their souls too much. Yet, never the least, the girls accepted the risk by making a contract and becoming a mahou shoujo. And with that comes the risks of the job.

===Bentham, the true monster. Mill, impractical idealism.===

After studying and reviewing the information, we can conclude without a doubt that Kyubey faithfully follows a Utilitarian philosophy. But it is also clear to mention that Kyubey's utilitarianism seems to be a mixture blend of Bentham's and Mill's thinking. Sometimes Kyubey would swing to one formula of utility and then swing back when it is convenient to do so. But it remains mostly on Mill's side most of the time, with the exception of when the whole planet is devastated. One could presume to suggest that Kyubey's thinking is not "The End Justifies the Means" as much as "Using Mill's Means to attain Bentham's End". Let me be the first say that Kyubey's Utilitarianism shares some similar values to Bentham and Mill. However, because Kyubey doesn't follow one principle of utility but a different version, we have to then assume that it is neither and both for two reasons. First, Kyubey is restrained by the rules that the alien race has laid on him. If Kyubey believed Bentham's utility wholly, it would disregard their rules and force Madoka into a contract regardless of her will or the rules itself. Instead, Kyubey tries to remain within the parameters and at the same time achieve the goals given to it. Second, if Kyubey had any respect for Mill's notion of Utilitarianism, then Kyubey has failed. Mill ideal version of utility is that with time the values of Utilitarianism would create progressive thinking and moral decisions based on utility that would allow the delivery of the greatest good. If Kyubey tried to follow Mill's ideal version of Utility, then he would be the less productive Incubator in the whole Universe; at that rate the end of the universe would be guaranteed. But it isn't so much as Kyubey failed Mill as Mill failed Kyubey. The problem with Mill's thinking is that it tries to maintain the principles of utility and the moral values of individual liberty at the same time. Critics have blasted Mill's utility as being naive and contradictory to Utilitarianism, some would suggest that Mill's formula violates the principle of Utility all together. Mill has proven that it can humanize utilitarianism when it adds a moral ideal of human dignity into the formula, but those ideals are independent of utility itself. Mill's formula would never achieve the greatest good that reflects the highest virtue of human value as long as it tries to maintain it within the realm of utility.

Since Kyubey is from a very advance alien race, I have to assume Kyubey's utility shares similarities to our own understanding of Utility, but at the same time it is also unique because it transcends Bentham's and Mill's thinking, thus making it into a third form of Utilitarian thinking that shares some of their values but for a different end than Bentham or Mill would conclude. This is, of course, speculation.

It is very clear that many critics and detractors have accused Kyubey of being evil, a liar, and a manipulator for good measure. But I would like to point out that they have failed to understand Kyubey and his own way of thinking to demonstrate why Kyubey is wrong. Their views have been mostly on the human side of the issue. Failing to see it from Kyubey's perspective to understand Kyubey. We have to remember that it is not easy to judge an alien race that we know little about, not even their moral values, but for the sake of argument we have to at least try. According to Homura, she doesn't think Kyubey thinks itself to be evil or cruel, she believes Kyubey just have a different perspective regarding morality so it fails to understand human values. However, that doesn't mean Homura trust Kyubey or believes she can reason with it. But let us be clear, by understanding Kyubey's utilitarianism I am not trying to justify its action. Instead, I am trying to comprehend Kyubey's point of view and perspective. What I have learned from Kyubey's point of view is that the issues regarding if Kyubey is evil or not is moot. What we should be concerned is the way Kyubey sees the world, which is much more disturbing and terrifying, and the worst part is that people who think the same way as Kyubey don't think that they are evil either or that they are doing anything wrong.

===Kyubey: CEO of Entropy, INC.===

If I had to describe Kyubey from any organism from our world, I would say that no organism exist that is similar to Kyubey. The closest we have is a human being. But even at that it would fail to describe Kyubey accurately, because Kyubey shares many differences than similarities with humans. Just like humans, Kyubey demonstrates high intelligence and faculties similar to humans, but unlike humans it lacks emotions; it cannot die but instead spawn new bodies; and is able to grant abilities that itself cannot exercise or posses, humans could only dream of having such abilities.

So instead, rather than imagine Kyubey from any known living organism I would like to think Kyubey is similar to a non-living entity that is not just similar to Kyubey, but it paints a perfect picture of what Kyubey is. This non-living entity seems to follow Kyubey's philosophy regarding utilitarianism that is neither Bentham's or Mill's version. It uses Mill's means to attain Bentham's ends. Like Kyubey, it also has a goal to maximize utility for its own advantage.

Let us remember, an alien race created an artificial entity that is highly intelligent with no emotions, these aliens bestowed upon Kyubey certain abilities and limitations but also parameters known as "rules". Kyubey is assigned with a very simple mission and duty: follow the rules stated by the alien race (it cannot force humans into a contract. It also means it cannot also lie but it is allowed the flexibility to limit his information as long as it is truthful), maximize the collection of energy to repair the universe without violating the given parameters, and protect the girls until they reach to their maximum potential. Now, let us imagine that Kyubey is not an artificial organism created by an alien race, let us think of Kyubey as a Corporation created by a group of business people. "Kyubey", as the company is known, has a business mandate: follow the national and international laws regarding trade and finances set up by an entity known as "the government". "Kyubey" as a company is not allowed to exercise illegal activities, but the laws are flexible and deregulated enough to allow for a company to pursue interests that would benefit a free market society in a very competitive enviroment, if it wishes to survive it would take advantage of the loosened rules (in other words, as long as it is withing the boundaries of the law and it is not illegal, the company is protected from liability); and "Kyubey" must maximize company profits in order to not only benefit shareholders but to also avoid a bankruptcy or being taken over by the competition. "Kyubey" believes its existence is essential for the survival of the market/financial economy (so think of the universe as a large financial consortium). Without Corporations there is no free market or capitalism, and without Incubators you can say goodbye to the universe.

I am certain some of you would think that I am overreaching with my thinking but let us just assume that my assertion is possible for the moment. One day "Kyubey" is taken to court and it stands accused of several crimes. The proceedings state that the company has violated several laws and disregarded the rights of their employees. The first criminal accusation would be false advertisement and failure to disclose information. Sayaka, the accuser, would declare that she would have never made a contract if she had known that her soul would be ripped from her body and that she would become a witch. As stated before, what Sayaka calls false advertisement, Kyubey would defend himself by stating that Sayaka failed to "read between the lines" and if she didn't understand the conditions of the contract she should have contacted a lawyer of her own. The other issue regarding becoming a Witch, "Kyubey" would explain that Sayaka had more than enough information to make an educated decision regarding the risks of the job. According with the company, Sayaka knew the risks of becoming a mahou shoujo, what happens after the facts (or in this case, death) bears no consequence, nor does it make any difference regarding occupational hazard and safety (in other words, knowing that Sayaka would become a Witch during her period of employment would not have prevented her from becoming one). Not to mention it would be reckless endangerment to send weak little girls against witches; so the company has a policy regarding safety and health to protect their employees against hazards, ergo they rip their souls to make soul gems to minimize pain and increase their magical powers. What kind of employee sues a company for trying to reduce occupational hazards? Isn't Sayaka being ungrateful?

And regarding Sayaka's objection to her "uninformed" consent. As an example, let us say that "Kyubey" is a weapons manufacturing company and they employed Sayaka to create missiles. Sayaka knows what missiles are and that they are used during military campaigns. However, Sayaka believes that the missiles would only be used to kill evil people. One day she learns that one of the missiles she helped to construct was used to blow up a building that was suspected to house enemy combatants but instead it killed innocent civilians. While it is true that "Kyubey" sold the missile to the military for the purpose of warfare. There is no way that the company could have predicted that it would be used to cause innocent casualties; the company is aware of the possibility of such scenario. But we have to remember that this future event or circumstance is possible but cannot be predicted with certainty. According to "Kyubey", becoming a witch is not a certaintity but just a possible outcome. And in any case, "Witchification" is no different than death. So knowing or not knowing, for the sake of safety and health on Sayaka's part, makes no difference. The job still comes with the same risks, anyway. Nothing has changed.

But "Kyubey" would state that divulging sensitive information regarding "company secrets" would be detrimental for company morale. In fact, by not divulging sensitive information that would be a hindrance for employees to maximize their potentials, the company and employees like Sayaka would be able to achieve their potential without any unnecessary distractions. By knowing sensitive information, employees like Sayaka would lose focus and increase the potential of creating a hostile environment.

As one final act, "Kyubey" would state that as a company it has a responsibility to their shareholders by maximizing its profits. People may question a company's policy and its methods of obtaining profits, but as long as no legal laws have been broken then no crime has been committed. But much more importantly, "Kyubey" would state that as a company they are obligated to make no exceptions nor reverse their company policy just because a mahou shoujo feels like what they are doing is wrong. After all, "Kyubey" is a company not a charity. It is true that Kyubey does provide an exchange for products and services, so it is not "free", there is a price for it. If Kyubey were to grant wishes for free (without collecting souls or despair energy), not only there would be a quick depletion of energy, but their company would go bankrupt. The reason Kyubey collects souls is that they need them to create more despair energy, the more despair energy Kyubey creates, the safer the universe becomes. And the more energy Kyubey has on reserve, the more energy they can use to be reinvested to hire new and more mahou shoujo. So, Kyubey as an industry does not only provide products and services, but as a company they are also protecting the universe and reinvesting their energy to provide wishes and employment to more girls. It is true that "Kyubey" is polluting their cities with curses, familiars, and witches that are detrimental to humans. But can anyone point out to any company that has never produced toxic waste (or even just normal waste) during its lifetime? And what about the benefits that many girls have obtainted? Girls like Mami were given a second life, otherwise she would be dead. Kyouko was able to avoid destitution and hunger thanks to her wish. And even Sayaka was able to get the opportunity to heal a friend. Can anyone complain that Kyubey's services are not essential to the community and society? Kyubey as a company has saved lives, provided food and housing opportunity for the destitute, and healed incurable diseases and physical disabilities; making society and the human race more productive, safer from [[wikipedia:Heat_death_of_the_universe|death heat]], and better in the long run.

And as a business, the company has an obligation to be financially sound. But much more importantly, "Kyubey" is an important member of the community. After all, society and the whole human race have profited from Kyubey's products, and services. Kyubey's presence on Earth is essential for human progress. Without Kyubey's interference, humanity would never have achieved and advanced in the areas of art, culture, history, medicine, philosophy, science, technology, and other progresses. In fact, without Kyubey, humans would still be naked and living in caves. Before anyone can accuse the company of being selfish and greedy, perhaps humanity should asks themselves if they are in any better position to be self-righteous against the company after benefiting from so much? Specially, since all of human progress is thanks to the sacrifice and despair of innocent little girls.

===Why is Kyubey wrong.===
<blockquote>''"If you ever feel like dying for this universe, just call us."'' ~ Kyubey, [[Episode 9]].</blockquote>

I would like to add one last comparison regarding Kyubey as a corporation and the philosophy of utility. As I have stated before, Kyubey used Mill's means to attain Bentham's end. What I mean is that a Corporation would try to stay within the boundaries of the law to maximize its profit and size, but it would also use Kyubey's method to eliminate its competition and achieve Bentham's end, which would be either be the elimination of all competition or achieving a total monopoly on the market. After all, the purpose of a company is to prolong its existence and to promote the idea that without them there is no free market. Just like Kyubey wants to prolong the existence of the universe and without Incubators there is no one to stop the end of the universe. But as we have observed, Kyubey's approach and solution is quite unnerving. Specially when we are asked to accept the suffering of little girls as a form of payment to enjoy the fruits of past labors and sufferings. But I would like to add one last thought. One of the reasons that utilitarianism has it critics is its attempt to use market values to achieve a noble and moral choice. This is not just reserved only to corporations; [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost%E2%80%93benefit_analysis government entities] and individuals attempt to do the same everyday[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2Rq4HJBxw&feature=relmfu]. Not only does utilitarianism fails in its noble and moral goal, but during the process we have probably noticed that humanity and the human soul has been reduced as a form of currency. Think about it, Kyubey would not accept no other form of payment but a human soul, something that it is considered to be sacred and holy (depending on your beliefs). Now suddenly, this alien creature decides that humans souls are no different than commodities to be traded. This utilitarian attempt to reduce all and everything as a commodity, including a human soul and the right of sale of it, is a degradation of our humanity that is being packaged as goods. It loses its moral value and dignity in the marketing process.<ref>''"Certain modes of valuation are appropriate to certain goods and practices. In the case of commodities, such as cars and toasters, the proper way of valuing them is to use them, or to make them and sell them for profit. But it's a mistake to treat all things as if they were commodities. It would be wrong, for example, to treat human beings as commodities, mere things to be bought and sold. That's because human beings are persons worthy of respect, not objects to be used. Respect and use are two different modes of valuation."'' Michael Sandel, "Justice" (pg 96).</ref> This causes us to rethink what makes us human and the values we hold as a civilized society. The reason that we hate and fear Kyubey is not that it is evil; the reason that we hate and fear Kyubey is what it represents. If a human soul can be reduced as a mere currency, or resource, or commodity ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IojqOMWTgv8&feature=related or a battery]), and we are willing to emulate Kyubey's methods and values, then we as humans have failed to realized and recognized our own dignity and value within ourselves. Because Kyubey may be an alien from a different world, but its values are no different from ours once we close examine it.

===Closing===

I would like to reiterate that this is my personal interpretation and opinion regarding Kyubey's utilitarianism and its moral values. This is not an attempt to put words on the creators of the anime series but an attempt to grasp a better understanding of it. I have used resources like the anime series, interviews, and Michael Sandel's book "Justice" to attain a better comprehension and analysis of the Kyubey character. The views of this essay are my own --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 11:08, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

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== Kyoko, Puella Magi, and Libertarianism ==
At first I disliked the character of Kyoko because she was so unlike Mami and Sayaka, but then she wormed her way into my heart and looking at the character as a whole one can appreciate her character on its own. I will try to work withing the principle [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw4l1w0rkjs&feature=relmfu philosophy of libertarianism] to try to understand her character to better appreciate her, but also demonstrate why the character of Kyoko could be destructive to society as a whole. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

As always, this will take a while... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Libertarianism: an assertion to freedom

John Locke: Life, liberty and the pursuit of wishes

My Soul Gem, My Choice

A Free Market Solution for a Puella Magi Problem

The Puella Magi Cartel

Puella Magi: Girls of Justice or Magical Mercenaries?

Happiness does not equate freedom. Freedom does not equate happiness.

<s>Puellae Magi: a PR Illusion and the Issue of False Interpretation.</s>

Community:Philosophical Observations

2012-03-02T09:31:06Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* Madoka and Minding her Motive */

Moving Philosophical essays and observations to this page --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 05:57, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Keep in mind, this is only speculation and observation. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:19, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

==Madoka and Minding her Motive==
<blockquote>-''"Why is mom working so hard for a company that she never dreamed of working with?" "Hmmm... Mom doesnt like working, she likes working hard. There are a lot of things that she doesn't like about it, but she likes the feeling of satisfaction she gets when she overcomes those obstacles, those achivements are precious to her. It doesn't mean that she dreamed to work for that company. But Mom is living her ideal life, and some dreams come true this way." - "so you make how you live into your dream?"'' ~ Madoka and her father. [[Episode 3]]</blockquote>

During the series we notice that Madoka cant never make up her mind when it comes to making a decision, if she will make a wish or not. All she seems to be doing is stalling, crying, and blaming herself for being so weak. But is that really what is happening? It is true, Madoka feels weak and small, powerless to do anything for anyone. She knows that by becoming a Puella Magi that feeling of worthlessness within her would change. But she is also afraid of dying or worst, becoming a witch, a monster that could destroy her world and hurt even her family. Madoka feels trapped, she feels like she has no choice. But there is also something happening behind her mind as well. Before Madoka can take any action, she needs to understand herself.

The intellectual philosopher Kant states that ''"If all human beings are worthy of respect, regardless of who they are or where they live, then it's wrong to treat them as mere instruments of the collective happiness."'' To Kant, utilitarianism (and Kyubey) is not only immoral but incorrect. One example is the shopkeeper: ''"A child goes to the store and buys a loaf of bread. The grocer could overchage the kid, charge him more than the usual price for a loaf of bread and the child would never know. But the grocer realizes that if his customers discovered that he took advantage of a child, word might spread out and hurt his business. For this reason, he decides not to overcharge the kid. So he charges him the usual price. So the shopkeeper does the right thing, but for the wrong reason. The only reason he deals honestly with the child is to protect his reputation. The shopkeeper acts honestly only for the sake of self interest; the shopkeeper's action lacks moral worth."'' To Kant, what matters is the quaility of the will, the character of the motive."[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rv-4aUbZxQ&feature=BFa&list=SP30C13C91CFFEFEA6&index=6]

This example works the same way with Sayaka. Sayaka made a contract with Kyubey to heal Kyosuke. Superficially it seems like a selfless noble act to help a friend. But that is not Sayaka's true motive, regardless of whatever she says to defend her actions. Sayaka's true motive is that if Kyosuke is healed, he would not only get better but he would also fall in love with Sayaka for her sacrifice. But that wasn't Sayaka's wish nor that is what happened. And because Sayaka's wish went unfulfilled she felt into despair, not because she was selfish but because she failed to recognize her real motive behind her wish. Not only that but she used the act of healing Kyosuke as a way to earn Kyosuke's love as a form of reward to be expected from her sacrifice. Sayaka violated her own rights as an attempt to gain something in return, and she never consulted with Kyosuke if he would ever accept such deal (nor is he under any obligation to do so; and if Sayaka tried to force Kyosuke under such deal she would be violating his rights as well, since he never gave consent). In essence Sayaka is expecting a reward or a payment for her sacrifice.

We need to understand Madoka's true motives regarding in becoming a Puella Magi prior to [[Episode 11]] and her refusal during the series. It is easy to see why Madoka would refuse to make a wish, it means death (or a fate worst than death) so any rational person would refuse (as we saw during her conversation with Homura in [[Episode 4]]). But if that is the case then why is Madoka kept tempted to make a wish? This is where motive is important. In [[Episode 8]] Sayaka has a fight with Madoka, this leads to Madoka to blame herself for being weak and terrified of helping her friend. Madoka hates herself for this. Now at first it seems like Madoka is regretting her lack of action and she is tempted to make a wish to help and save Sayaka from her suffering, but this is not so. Madoka's motive is not to help Sayaka, instead she is afraid of being hated by Sayaka, a completely different understanding lacking the true nobility of friendship. There is another observation that is equally important, Madoka's scene with Kyubey in which he is trying to temp Madoka to make a wish. In this scene Kyubey is trying to convince Madoka that by making a wish she could become a god, he is trying to deceive Madoka into the belief that by becoming a powerful god she can fix everything. But what Kyubey doesnt tell her is that there are no guarantees nor he has any interest to fix anything. But let us look at Madoka's motive behind Kyubey's suggestion for her to become a powerful god. At first glance it seems like Madoka is willing to become a sacrifice to the universe so she can fix everything, save everyone. But is that Madoka's true motive? As before, Madoka's motive is not to fix everything for the good, but to fix the wrongs so she would stop suffering from the feelings of sorrow about herself and others (she wants to change Sayaka back to normal, perhaps as a way to atone her cowardly lack of action). It is during this scene that Madoka confesses to Kyubey that she always felt insignificant and useless. She felt that she would never be able to do anything for anyone to create happiness for others and for herself (a similar conversation took place with Homura in [[Drama CD 1|the drama CD ''"Memories of You"'']]). As you can see Madoka's intention at first seem noble but that is not her true motive; what we learn is that Madoka wishes she could be useful so she would stop being worthless (what Madoka desires is to stop feeling sorry about herself, she wants to avoid any more pain and suffering). Nothing has changed, Madoka continues to believe she is weak, that she is powerless, that if she fixes everything she can feel good about herself. If we watch the scene at first it seems like Kyubey is suggesting a noble sacrifice but in truth all Madoka wants to do is to end the suffering so she would stop her own suffering as well.

As the series progresses, Madoka's thoughts are slowly changing, specially in [[Episode 11]]. Madoka learns an important lesson from Kyubey, a history of sacrifice and how it has affected humanity. Madoka realizes that it is not about her anymore, it is about the people around her and the puellae magi that came before her. The sacrifices of those girls, their suffering, and how all mankind benefited from it.

Madoka has gained a lot of information that allows her to reflect about herself, and about others. Madoka's motives changes from "I want to stop being weak and feeling bad about myself" to "I want to save everyone, not to feel good about myself, but to stop the suffering and save everyone" and that "everyone" includes her family, her friends, and Homura. That's Madoka's true motive. Madoka goes from wanting to be selfless for selfish reasons to wanting to be selfless for selflessness itself (''"To act freely is not to choose the best means to a given end. It's to choose the end itself for its own sake"''). By removing Madoka's selfish desire from her wish, she literally removes her self and her physical presence as a consequence. What Madoka is doing is trying to respect the humanity of others (and the puellae magi), she isnt using her own sacrifice to make herself good, she cast away that selfish idea ("being selfless for selfish reasons"). During her scene with her mother in [[Episode 11]] Madoka has finally grown up, she knows that what she is doing will hurt her family but she also knows that she is the only one who can save her family and her town from disaster. Not as a noble sacrifice, but as a moral duty as an adult. Madoka wants to do the right thing for the right reasons, she wants to stop the Puellae Magi's suffering, not to make Madoka powerful, not to make Madoka feel good about herself, but because she truly believes it is the right thing to do to stop the cycle of suffering.

Madoka's journey was long and painful and critics would like to say that Madoka was too indecisive. But I think the reason it was such a long journey for Madoka it's because Madoka was just being a typical teenage girl trying to figure out herself.

As a final note, the concert scene with Sayaka is an indicator of how much Madoka has grown. Madoka admits that she could have changed Sayaka's fate, but to do so she would have to stop her from making her wish, so instead she allows Sayaka's right to follow her decision. Sayaka agrees with Madoka's choice to respect her own decisions and the consequences that come with it (as they seem to be aware of the Law of Cycles). This indicates that Madoka respects the puellae magi's wishes and their choices, giving them the dignity and respect that Kyubey never gave them. Then when their time was over, Madoka would come and help them pass so their sacrifice wouldn't be in vain and their suffering would end quietly with no regrets. According with an interview with Urobuchi, this is [http://yaranakya.wordpress.com/2011/08/31/pandoras-box-1-madoka-goes-terrorist/ Madoka's own way to acknowledge the magical girls' own hopes and wishes without negating them]. ''"Instead of living to chase after a dream as your goal, you should turn your way of living into your dream."''

:I never actually thought that reading someone else's philosophically-founded analysis could increase my understanding of an anime, but you've done it. This was very insightful for me. とっても素敵。[[User:Holycrap|Holycrap]] 21:16, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
::I really think the characters in Madoka could be philosophically analyzed, Kyoko is one character I would like to try. I think there she has a mixture of extreme Libertarian philosophies within her character but my understanding of philosophy is limited. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:36, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

:I agree with Kant, but not with you. Sayaka is a selfless person with her own desire as well, but she helped Kyosuke not just because of her selfish desire, but also her good will. The problem of Sayaka is her compulsive personality, she forces herself to be a good person, while taking great damage(mental and physical) for other people, she ignores her own heart(In episode 9, what is written on the posters on the wall at the entrance of Octavia's barrier is a twisted form of "look at me", as mentioned by Yuuki Aoi in the commentary video). In a sense, this is very selfless, but you may also say her selflessness is fake because it's the "compulsive selflessness" and it is not the will of her true heart. However, still, Sayaka is basically a selfless person, it's wrong to interpret her as a selfish person, a selfless person is not a person without any selfish desires.
:It is very wrong to interpret Madoka as a person who had being selfless for selfish reasons, she's a true selfless person in nature, this has never changed.--[[User:SayakaMadoka|SayakaMadoka]] 16:47, 25 Sep 2011 (UTC)
::I dont doubt she was selfless, but the purpose of this philosophical opinion is if Madoka was selfless for the right reasons or selfless for the wrong reason. I am not bashing Madoka, instead I believe Madoka overcomes her difficulty by doing self reflection. Remember, in all timelines Madoka always becomes a Witch. No matter what wish she makes, the wish would be twisted because of the logical nature of it (according with Kyubey). Instead, Madoka overcomes it by understanding the nature of the wish and understanding her own self. Self-reflection. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:56, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
:::What I said is that Madoka had never being a person who had being selfless for selfish reasons, when I say "...she's a true selfless person in nature, this has never changed", I mean she's a true selfless person who's selfless for selfless reasons, and this has never changed. The thing that made Madoka see hope, and resonant with it, which turns her into her ultimate form, is the love of Homura(the spiral of love spins around the arrow of hope, supporting it, protecting it, making it powerful, another important metaphor, so beautiful and strong, isn't it?), not a realization of that she had being selfless for selfish reasons, because she had never being.[[User:SayakaMadoka|SayakaMadoka]] 22:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I dont doubt Madoka wants to be good and selfless, but I disagree with the idea she was wholly selfless. She was pure and innocent but not a saint. Madoka is the embodiment of innocence, childhood, and love. But Madoka is also a character who carries flaws like her lack of self-esteem or her inability to believe in herself from the very beginning (this is one reason many fans disliked her in the beginning. They dismissed her as lacking character and a coward, which I disagree). When Madoka cries or feels bad, that's a natural reaction from a child. Madoka stopped running away and crying in the end when she became a bit wiser and mature. We also saw that her idea of mahou shoujo in the begining was more in line with a typical magical girl shows and she wanted to emulate Mami's courage and strength without truly understanding how much Mami had to sacrifice. Once she learns and experiences her life difficulties, instead of running she faces it. Madoka is growing, evolving. If Madoka was selfless and pure since the beginning then there is no transformative element, there is no "change" and with that there is no true hope (for the rest of humanity or the Puella Magi). Madoka's transformation as a Witch is not a result of Madoka's corruption of her purity, it was Madoka's inability to see her own corruptive power. It is true that Homura's love for Madoka led to Madoka's transformative change. However, we have to remember that Madoka didn't develop deep feeling for Homura. Even Homura can see it in Episode 11 and states that their feeling are growing apart. Madoka only realizes Homura's feelings at the end of her evolved transformation. If you listen to Madoka's conversation, she states that she could not understand Homura until Madoka was able to see all of her previous versions and timelines. Only then Madoka could comprehend Homura in a deep manner. Even Urobuchi agrees with this, and that is why he calls it [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Shinjidai_no_Mixture_Magazine_BLACK_PAST "cruel"]. That doesn't mean that Madoka didn't care for Homura's safety in Episode 12, it just means that Madoka cared for the safety of everyone in town (including her family ) at that time. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:38, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Madoka is selfless at the beginning, but she couldn't see hope and resonant with it while facing the greatest darkness, until Homura's love making her powerful - that's the transformation, love makes her see, that desperation is unnecessary, no matter how strong the darkness is, it can always be shattered by the power of hope(which means the conservation of hope and desperation is not true, not matter how it seems to be, it is not. Or you can say the rule of Universe, which is the conservation of hope and desperation, has being changed. The two statements are equivalent). Madoka doesn't understand Homura consciously at the beginning, but her subconsciousness is transformed by her love without her realizing it(She could even feel the love but she doesn't know where it comes from. If her subconsciousness hasn't changed, why would she become more and more powerful? Since only the heart of a Puella magi determines her magical power). I don't know why you don't like the saying that Madoka became a witch because of her being corrupted, I think this is a good way to describe it. Madoka is not unable to see her own corruptive power, since in some timelines before she's being turned into a witch, she knew what is inside her is going to turn her into a witch.
:::::I'm not saying Madoka is perfect at the beginning, but she's almost totally selfless, and she hasn't done anything selfless for selfish reasons until the moment she was turned into a witch--[[User:SayakaMadoka|SayakaMadoka]] 23:16, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
::You misunderstand, I am not saying that Sayaka's selflessness is fake, the problem with Sayaka is that she lacks self reflection. Sayaka only realized the meaning of being a magical girl in Episode 9, by then it was too late and she transformed into a witch. I believe what Sayaka did was noble, she was also stubborn and childish. In her heart she thought she was doing good, in reality all she did was hurt others, including Madoka. IF Sayaka had been more honest with her feelings and her motives, perhaps her wish would not have gone unfulfilled, but that's just assuming. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:56, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

:Oh, wow. WOW. I know that I'm pretty late to the whole congratulatory party, Mutopis(?), but I gotta say, I REALLY loved your analysis of Madoka's character, which I completed this early morn. I think it helps settle, at least somewhat, one of the little enduring qualms about I've had the ending-- a qualm that I was actually thinking on earlier tonight-- even though I personally regard Madoka's as one of the absolute best anime endings I've seen. And that was just how drastically fast and life-altering Madoka's development seemed to be, from (literally and mentally) a 14 year old girl to a goddess-like figure with a wisdom that surely can't be comprehended by our living humanity. There wasn't a lot of breathing room for this development! It's not like how it was with Jesus Christ, who knew of his universal significance and the fate that awaited him and lived every day of his life as we know it in preparation for it. Why, it's not even like most stories centered on a Hero's Journey, where the hero knows that he or she matters in some big way or another for a majority or reasonably large portion of the story. BUT-- seeing you map out her characterization, her subtle demonstrations of kindness and maturity, and your reminder of the revelations/conversations Madoka's had in episode 6 and 11-- the "transformation" has definitely become easier to come to grips with; it doesn't seem as extremely sudden as it did before. (still fairly accelerated, though.) (Really, thanks for giving greater context to the dialogue/revelation in episode 11's content-- I have actually semi-purposefully limited my own exposure to both episodes 11 & 12, having only let myself go through whole episode viewings twice each despite having the whole series on VLC. It's probably some combination of not wanting to make myself cry more, not wanting the ending to lose meaning to me, and not wanting to come to grips that the story, until the third movie's contents are revealed, is really over and done.)

== Kyubey and Utilitarianism ==

I am working on Kyubey's utilitarianism, this space is for a rough draft.

Urobuchi's view in energy conservation and connection to [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/SWITCH_2011-07_Vol.29_No.07 Kyubey's utilitarianism] [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Spa_Weekly!_2011-07-19 kyubey's belief] and [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Newspapers_2011 the overly romanticism of (good) reality (false perception) and good intentions with bad results of unhappiness] and [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Newspapers_2011 trade offs]. By the way I am reading Michael Sandel's book [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBdfcR-8hEY "Justice"] and it is a good source of understanding philology. Will finish when I can. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 04:11, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

:I take it that the words below are your voice (and not an attempt at translation), right, Mutopis? I ask for purpose of response. ;) -- [[User:NS|preceding comment by NS]] 16:46, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
::I can confirm these are not Urobuchi's thoughts. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
::This is a philosophical essay with my words, I use some comments and information from interviews and some material from the book "Justice" to interpret the anime series in a philosophical way. I am using the same method that I did with [[Talk:Madoka_Kaname|Madoka and her motives]] to appreciate and get a better understanding. I want to see if Kyubey's utilitarianism is that simple or it is more complex than that, and why it seems justifiable (I am playing the devil's advocate), but more importantly to demonstrate that Kyubey is not evil, but just follows what he was created to do. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 20:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

*Guys, if you like to contribute or express an opinion about the essay, you are more than welcome. This is just a rough draft. I think I will be working on this for a while and I would like some opinions to make sure it remains consistent. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
*I hope no one has any problem with this essay being long. To tell you the truth I have no idea how long this will grow into. I am still working, rewriting, doing few changes here and there... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:51, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

** Thanks for your professional opinion. But there are too many changes a day, and that makes it troublesome to track changes. Isn't it better to write into a file in your computer first to reduce modification to the page? And I think it good to open a new topic talking about this. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:26, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
:Well, this looks interesting, but it seems a bit long for this talkpage. I think it might be better suited either as a subpage under your user namespace or as a proper article.--[[User:Knon|Knon]] 12:37, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
::I wanted to leave it here for those who wanted to understand the character of Kyubey. I dont know, an article page about philosophy?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:16, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:::A link to a new page would work just as well for those further interested in Kyubey. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 04:51, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
* I did a lot of cleaning and polishing. If anyone wants to fix some spelling errors and such, you are more than welcome. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:16, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

===What is Utilitarianism?===

The Human Philosophy known as [[wikipedia:Utilitarianism|utilitarianism]] can be easily breakdown as the philosophy that pursues the maximization of happiness and the reduction of pain, or at least the creation of happiness that surpasses the overall total of pain. If Kyubey's brand of utilitarianism was that simple there would be no need for this essay. But utilitarianism, like all brands of philosophy, have taken several different developments and each one has a distinctive flavor that requires recognition. This will be an attempt to understand Kyubey's own brand of Utilitarianism.

According with [[Episode 9|Kyubey's mission]], he wants to save the universe by offsetting the depletion of the universe's energy (actually, Kyubey's statement is wrong, the correct assessment would be to stop [[Thermodynamics|the permanent loss of heat]], but who am I to question an advance alien race?). To accomplish this mission Kyubey's alien race has found the answer to the problem, the harvesting of human emotion. The process is simply, give a human magical powers to maximize their sense of hope, then reverse their hope to be turned into despair, during the process the despair energy would be released during the witchfication process thus repairing the damage done to the universe. Repeat the process countless of times until an appropriate energy quota per planet is reached. Sounds simple yet horrifying at the same time. For many this is an example of utilitarianism as its worst, many critics believe that Kyubey is justifying the exploration of little girls to save the universe. However, before we can accuse Kyubey of anything, it is essential to understand the moral nature, as well as Kyubey's reasoning behind it, to determine if the reasoning is justifiable.

===Kyubey and Bentham: Let us just enslave the human race!===

Invaders from another galaxy have decided that to save the universe, they must harvest energy to repair the damage already done to it. Their race is incapable of producing such energy by themselves, but thanks to their advance technology they have detected a source of energy that is perfect to solve their crisis. They have detected a "bizarre" mental behavior known as "emotions" capable of producing the required energy but it goes unprocessed and it is localized in another galaxy. The inhabitants of this alien galaxy are equally strange as primitive, not only do they suffer from this mental anomaly known as emotions, but they are being wasteful by not fully developing its potential. Such a waste of energy would be a crime if left unharvested. The alien race decides to invade this galaxy, enslave the inhabitants, and fully exploit its potential by maximizing the production of energy to meet their quota... or so it should be if this was Bentham's brand of utilitarianism but it is not (at least not completely). This is the first indicator that there is something odd about Kyubey's utilitarianism.

According with Jeremy Bentham, the goal of Utilitarianism is to produce as much happiness as possible, regardless of the means. But most importantly, all forms of happiness and all form of pains have their own equal moral value (no pleasure is better or highest than the other). Which means one form of happiness cannot be measured against another form of happiness; the same can be said about pain. It takes people's preferences as they are without passing judgement on its moral worth. It would be presumptuous to judge some pleasures to be inherently better than others. At the heart of it, Bentham's utilitarianism is nonjudgmental, to him all pleasures are equal. The assumption is that by measuring and calculating the values of pleasure and pains into a formula, one can reach an agreeable moral choice that would promote the general welfare and happiness of the populace. Let us consider the issue at hand, the whole universe is going to be destroyed and all Kyubey is doing is extinguishing a few souls to preserve the general welfare and happiness of countless galaxies. Perhaps one whole planet would be annihilated in the process, but what is a few billion souls when you take into account billions and billions of worlds that would be saved. Some would object that exploiting and even killing human beings is immoral and wrong. Yet, Kyubey would point out that humans do it all the time to one another, and not only that but that they even do it against other lower life forms for their own selfish benefit. After all, aren't humans exploiting animals and other organism to feed their populace, to attain monetary gain, and maintain their civilization? (be it on the agricultural sector or for medical research or a source of cheap labor). Why should humans be given a preferential treatment? After all, maybe there are more advance and worthier alien species out there that deserves to be saved more than humans, and maybe that makes humans the lower life form. On this cold and calculating equation to save the universe one has to arrive to one simple conclusion. If saving the universe by exploiting the emotions of humans has the same moral value than domesticating cattle to feed society, then it should be reasonable to say that Bentham would not object to enslaving the human race to achieve Kyubey's objective. While one would object that it would be morally wrong to exploit humans, one would also have to argue that it would be equally morally wrong to allow the universe to be destroyed. In the utilitarian equation it would be better for one whole planet to suffer than the whole universe to collapse. After all, saving the universe at the expense of the human race would create the greatest form of happiness for the rest of the galaxy. It would suck for the human race, but stopping the end of the universe trumps anything and everything. And if you don't like what Kyubey is doing then too bad, the end justifies the means and the universe would be saved, like it or not.

Yet, as stated before, that is not the case here, at least partially. Apparently, Kyubey and the aliens have some sort of moral code of their own that disallow them to force humans to enter into a contract (slavery) but they are also not allowed to deceive (false advertisement) or lie to them either (this is, of course, up to debate). However, they do not seem to have any moral qualms regarding the harvesting of human emotions to save the galaxy, just the slavery part.

One objection to utilitarianism is the attempt to measure pleasure and pain in a single scale while ignoring the qualitative experience of pleasure and pain. For many, certain forms of pleasure are not only higher but also worthier than others. It is believed that the pursue of a nobler pleasure would allow utilitarianism to the arrival of the greatest good. One could make an argument that saving the universe would create happiness but that the quality of happiness would suffer at the expense of perverse methods used for to attain it. Instead, one could say that Kyubey is trying to create the greatest form of happiness by using much more nobler (albeit questionable) methods to attain it. Rather than force the human race into submission and slavery, why not entice them into a fair contract?

===Kyubey and Mill: Humans are not Cattle.===

One of the biggest flaws regarding Benthram's utilitarianism is that it doesn't give adequate recognition to human dignity and individual liberty. In its attempt to measure, aggregate, and calculate happiness in a nonjudgmental manner (democratizing all forms of pleasures equally) it eliminates the qualitative and unique moral value of pleasure and pain. What Bentham has done is reduce everything of moral importance to a single scale. John Stuart Mill tries to recalculate utilitarianism into a more humane and less calculating doctrine (a more human-friendly form of utilitarianism that is less prone to enslaving the human race) to achieve a munch nobler form of Utilitarianism that tries to promote the greatest good while recognizing the liberty of individuals. On Mill's ideal version of utilitarianism, as long as no one gets hurt and no one imposes their beliefs on others, then everyone is allowed to exercise their own free will and liberty to achieve the correct moral value that results in the greatest good.

Let us go back to our scenario regarding an alien race looking for a solution to save our universe. The aliens realized that the human race are the perfect source of emotional energy to be harvested to repair the damage already done to the universe. Kyubey's aliens know that humans are still primitive and prone to their own mental illness known as emotions. Why not put them to better use by enslaving them and harvesting all their energy? At least they would suffer for a noble cause. According with Mill this would be wrong for two reasons. One, it violates the liberty and rights of the human race and its individuals, no one should force them to be used as resources, no matter the cause. Second, the issue at stake here is that the noble idea to save the universe gets tainted because of the process that it is used to achieve the result. Why is this important? It could be damaging for the promotion of general welfare and happiness. Bentham would just suggest that "the end justifies the means" as long as the highest form of happiness is achieved. But Mill's issue is that such inhumane methods may create the greatest form of happiness today, but in the long run it could promote reckless behavior with devastating results. And who is to say that the human race wont try to overthrow their alien overlords to free themselves? Mill is trying to use utilitarian principles as an attempt to promote progressive behavior (the pursue of not the highest pleasure but the noble ones as well).

Let us take for example the danger of creating a Superwitch like [[Kriemhild Gretchen]]. We saw the devastating results that took place in [[Episode 10]] in which the Earth was destroyed along with all life on the planet. According with Kyubey the creation of Kriemhild Gretchen allowed Kyubey to meet its energy quota in the short run. Of course, this [[wikipedia:slash-and-burn|slash-and-burn]] method was very profitable for Kyubey but what about the loss of future energy collection now that the Earth is dead? No problem, Kyubey states that there are other planets to exploit and using its cold logic the benefits outweighed the risks. Let us assume that what Kyubey is probably saying is that Gretchen produced more energy in a single day than a lifetime collection from the Earth. Perhaps this single offset prevented the future despair of millions of girls; isn't that a better outcome? To reduce the despair of future victims? Not to mention Incubators are now much closer on saving the universe. If this is correct, then losing the planet Earth was an acceptable loss to attain a large reserve of despair energy (perhaps the largest in history), according to Bentham. But Mill would disagree, what about the consequences? What about the fact that this act stains the noble cause to save the universe?

Kriemhild Gretchen is a Superwitch, but apparently at the moment she is no threat to the galaxy. She may be powerful enough to kill one planet but she still small and powerless enough to be no threat to the alien race or to the whole galaxy for that matter. But let us say overtime she could be, perhaps with time she would find a way to travel to other planets and start growing. Wont this become an issue in the future? And what about the reckless behavior that it promoted? Wont there be a danger that other Incubators from other planets would like try to recreate the same scenario to meet their quota? Soon, it would not just be one planet, but perhaps a few docents and even more that are suddenly destroyed by a Superwitch. And who is to say that these Superwitches wont find a way to merge their powers and create a Super Walpurgis Night powerful enough to destroy the whole universe? Should Incubators take such chance? That is what could happen in the worst case scenario. Of course, this a fabricated scenario of a possible future event. No one knows what the consequences would be like after the destruction of the Earth. It could promote the accelerated process to end the whole galaxy, instead of saving it, but it is just as likely that it doesn't. But that is one dangerous scenario regarding utilitarianism that Mill would like to avoid.

So, what is Mill's advice for Kyubey regarding utility? Well, not slaving the human race for one. Which in fact that is what they did. As stated by Kyubey, it is against the rules to force humans to become a mahou shoujo against their will. It is their individual choice to decide if they want to become one. This would seem to indicate that Kyubey respects the rights of individuals rather than violate them. After all, Kyubey can be found promoting the Mahou Shoujo lifestyle without forcing anyone to join in, as it is per rules. But what about the recognition for human dignity? Isn't it implied that by harvesting and using humans as resources are they no better than cattle to be consumed? But Kyubey has already an answer for it. Let us not forget that Kyubey recognizes humans to be unique creatures with a noble goal and purpose, according with [[Episode 11]]. Kyubey knows that humans are not lower life forms like cattle just to be harvested and consumed to save the universe, regardless of how humans treat each other or other lower lifeforms. Kyubey states that while it would be for the greater good to harvest human emotions, regardless how Madoka feels personally, at least Kyubey and the alien race took the effort to recognize their uniqueness. Of course, that seems like a nice speech but it still requires substance and evidence behind his words. One clear evidence is that if Kyubey thought humans were cattle then why bother with allowing humans to roam free? Why the rules regarding the respect of personal liberty and choice? We must also remember that as a sign of recognition regarding the uniqueness of humans, they are allowed one single wish in the transaction. Kyubey could easily steal their human soul but they are forbidden to do so. Kyubey states that is one reason why humans are allowed such honor for accepting a contract. While it is true that Kyubey is using humans as a resource, they are neither slave nor cattle, no one is forcing them to make a contract to join in. Instead, the mahou shoujo are like employees and they are given the opportunity and honor to sacrifice their own lives for a noble goal. Isn't that what a mahou shoujo is all about? Girls of justice and noble sacrifice to triumph over evil? It is not slavery if a mahou shoujo gives consent and it is not exploitation if they accept a wish as a form of payment.

However, there is a certain flaw regarding this argument that Kyubey is practicing a brand of Mill's utilitarianism, and that is that we are assuming that is what Kyubey is doing. First of all, as anyone who has watched the show, would have noticed that Kyubey's actions and behavior have been deceptive so far (Kyubey would disagree). Not to mention the fact that Kyubey concealed the true nature of witches and mahou shoujo from starry-eye naive girls. And who can forget the mess that resulted for the Earth in [[Episode 10]], and Kyubey's disregard for the well being of the planet's inhabitants. Was that Kyubey being cold and cruel? Or was Kyubey just accepting the hard facts as it were, and was there really nothing that Kyubey could have done about it? To Mill, he would be appalled; after all the goal of utilitarianism is to achieve not just happiness but to make sure that the practice of utility would retain long term results. The destruction of the Earth may be good for the survival of the universe, but Mill would not consider that to be an acceptable loss for the greater good if the rights of billions of humans are violated in the process. What about the adverse effect that it would produce? Couldn't this establish a terrible precedent for future energy collection processes and encourage bad immoral behavior through out the galaxy.

Such practice and behavior brings into question Kyubey's moral value and its sensibility, if it was being measured against human values. There lies a fundamental problem, we know nothing regarding this alien culture and their definition of morality (for all we know their doctrine is based on emotionless cold logic), but for the sake of argument let us assume that they do share our same view regarding morality. Can it be said that Kyubey's utilitarianism tries to remain faithful to either Bentham or Mill? Is it a mixture of it? Or perhaps it is neither and both, perhaps it is an unique form of utilitarianism? Or maybe the problem lies with Mill's utilitarianism, in which we are expecting Kyubey to live up to its principle ideally. But before that, we have to ask ourselves. Are we judging Kyubey unfairly?

===Let's Make a Deal: The Meaning of Consent.===

Let us explore the process in which one accepts a contract. One day a furry magical creature approaches you with the promise of making you into a magical girl and in exchange you get one wish. It sounds like a great bargain but you wonder if there is a trick to it. Of course, before you can accept the deal, the magical creature is obligated to disclose to you the dangers of becoming a magical girl. It informs you that you will be fighting witches, but you will be granted magical powers to defeat them. Sounds fair, right? What Kyubey is doing is offering you a product that sounds too good to be true, the creature discloses the terms of conditions (fight witches to gain more magic and to keep yourself alive) in exchange for the opportunity to attain any wish that you want (within the limits of karmatic energy availability). The process sounds simple and you do not suspect anything. After all, it seems that you are being recruited to hunt down evil Witches who are eating innocent humans, it sounds like a noble cause. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity that may never come up again (unless you are one of those girls who Kyubey decides to pester every opportunity to make a contract). You are swoon and tempted by the opportunity that you decide to accept the contract, perhaps you feel desperate enough to want your wish that you decide it is better than nothing. Then somehow you later learn that what you signed into was not what you expected, you are horrified to learn the truth behind the Puella Magi System that you want a way out to avoid your fate into becoming a Witch. But Kyubey refuses to do anything to reverse the process and tells you that you are under contractual obligation to fulfill your part of the bargain. It informs you that you are under no obligation to hunt down witches if you want, as it will accelerate the transformation process if you keep using your magic for anything else, but the process itself cannot be stopped. You accuse Kyubey of lying and the furry creature would refute your accusation by saying that it never lied and that you never ask for more details of what being a magical girl entails (in other words, you never read the fine print). But most importantly, Kyubey would maintain that since you consented to become a magical girl, you also consented with the terms and conditions of the contract that came with it: Fight witches until the moment of metamorphosis, in which the despair energy would be collected to repair the universe. Once a witch you would be freed from your contractual obligation and live the rest of your life as a witch until you are killed by another magical girl (of course, Kyubey wouldn't say it outright in the beginning. If Kyubey was a lawyer he would probably codified it in legalize to avoid annoying questions). But the point is clear, not only you gave consent to become a witch, but you failed to properly educate yourself with the consequences of becoming a Witch. In the end, the failure lies with you. Perhaps Kyubey should wear a [[wikipedia:Caveat_emptor|''"Caveat Emptor"'']] sign around his neck to warn would-be magical girls, but that would undermine Kyubey's purpose and Kyubey would declare that that would be unfair for the universe, as it would guarantee the destruction of all life, along with planet Earth in the near or far future.

Let us analyze what went wrong and determine who truly is at fault. First of all, what is consent? And once we learn the meaning of it. Does it meet the requirements to be declared consensual? Or did any girl who consented did not truly consented because it did not meet the requirements for it?

Consent refers to the provision of approval, particularly and especially after thoughtful consideration. To be considered a consent, means that the individuals gives acceptance to an agreement after making an inform decision. However, those who believe that Kyubey is deceitful would point out that any girls' consent is tainted because their informed decision lacked the adequate information to make a rational decision. Some would even go so far as to say that Kyubey used coercion to attain their consent during questionable situations. Therefore, critics would say it fails to meet the requirements for consent. If we consider Kyubey's practice to be deceitful and with the added element of coercion into it, it does bring into question wherever Kyubey's actions are valid and legal (if you could somehow take an alien to court to enforce Earth/national laws. But let us say that you can for the sake of argument).

First, the issue of coercion. One great example that we can use is [[Tomoe Mami]]'s case. Mami is a victim of a car crash accident (let us say for convenience that there is no foul play in part of Kyubey) and she is dying. The ambulance is on its way but it wont make it on time and Mami's body is already failing. Her body is mere minutes away from death and nothing can be done for her. Then suddenly, Kyubey appears and tells her that if she would like to make a contract. Kyubey informs Mami that it would grant her one wish and she would be fighting witches for the rest of her life. And she can make any wish she wants. This is a classic example of obtaining consent during duress. Mami has two choices to make, either accept Kyubey's contract and become a mahou shoujo or die. So she made her wish, she wished she could live (actually we dont know the actual wording of the wish, but it is assumed it had something to do with saving her life). Critics would say that Kyubey was being manipulative and unfair, that Mami's consent was tainted. The only way that Mami's consent would be valid, would be if Kyubey had approached Mami before the accident or if Kyubey had saved Mami's life first then ask her if she would like to make a contract with Kyubey.

I would like to point out certain issues on this case. In accordance with utilitarianism (in which Mami chose the pleasure of living over the pain of dying), Mami benefited from Kyubey's contract and any complains she may have against Kyubey is invalid. After all, Mami wanted to not die and Kyubey wanted to get a contract from Mami. Both of them had something that the other wanted and in the exchange they both got it. Under that rationality it would be hardly unfair. Second, even if one considers Mami's consent to be tainted or coerced, their complain is invalid. After all, the idea of coercion would mean that someone's rights was violated. Unless someone can find evidence that Kyubey staged the accident, then maybe they would have a point, but it is not. There is also the issue that Kyubey obtained Mami's consent while dying. Critics like to point out that Kyubey should have saved Mami first, instead it was taking advantage of the situation. We have to remember, in the case of Kyubey we do not know what kind of magical powers Kyubey itself can use or do, Kyubey is simply part of the process to create and grant wishes. It's like saying "Why Kyubey cant wish itself to repair the universe?" Because it cant. For all that we know, approaching Mami with a contract was Kyubey's way of helping her. Let us assume that this is correct (a big assumption, I know) and Kyubey is a powerful yet powerless creature unless a wish is made. If this is correct, then there is nothing Kyubey could have done by itself other than grant wishes. If Kyubey is guilty of anything, is perhaps of taking advantage of a situation. Of course, critics would continue to question the issue of validity within Mami's consent, and whatever she was on her right mind to make such decision. But the fact remains that, regardless of the situation, Mami still gave consent to save her life and she benefited from her choice. Kyubey would like to point out that it doesn't matter in which situation Kyubey got her consent, the fact remains that in Mami's case if it hadn't approached her she would be dead, instead she got to live longer (just to be killed by a [[Charlotte|cheese eating Witch]]). If anything, Mami benefited the most from the situation (to Kyubey's point of view). And since a deal is a deal, it is hardly unfair as long as both party benefited. I would agree that the issue regarding consent in Mami's case is a bit murky and difficult to determine, because of the lack of proper information. However, since we are trying to determine a conclusion with the given information, this would be my own impression. According with Bentham, the issue regarding consent doesn't matter since an individual's right don't matter on the utilitarian equation, and since both parties benefited at the time, the deal was hardly unfair. For Mill, since Mami got to live longer and she avoided the pain of death, she got the greatest good in return. While it is true that the issue of consent is at the heart of the question, we have to assume that in Mill's equation, the desire to live and the want for self-preservation would outweigh her individual's right. Mill would agree that Mami's liberty must be preserved on the utilitarian equation, but when you are weighting the two rights of the same individual, which side has the greater value? On one side it is Mami's right to life, on the other it is Mami's right to be allowed to consent free of pressure, deception, and duress. But let us be clear, Kyubey did not create the situation that Mami was in, and also there was the issue of time. Given what was occurring, there is not enough evidence to find culpability with Kyubey at the moment of the accident. And since Mami's life was at risk, her right to life takes precedent. And Mill would also like to remind us that no one got hurt during the deal (it did more than that, it prevented someone from dying). The issue of Mami's right being violated is moot since Mami's rights were preserved by saving her life so she could continue to exercise those same rights. According to Mill, actions and consequences aren't the only issue, an individual's character also matters. If Mami were to die she would be deprived to exercise her rights and to develop her character as an individual. And what would be the worst precedent from this quandary? Kyubey appearing to every girl close to death and giving them the chance to save their own lives? Wouldn't that create the greatest happiness? And what if every girl Kyubey saves from death are like Mami, or even better? Wouldn't that be not just good for society but even better? (let us assume that Kyubey saves more girls like Mami than Kyouko on this contingent assumption). Mill would agree that protecting Mami's right is important for utility to preserve the general welfare. However, he would also agree that since the rights violated were inconsequential to society (and for Mami) and instead it promoted the greatest good with harm to no one, then it has served its purpose to serve the greatest good.

Let us set aside Mami's case for now and let us examine the accusation of Kyubey's deception. Critics and detractors have objected to Kyubey's practices on attaining victims for his scam and they have accused Kyubey of lying to get its goal. As always, Kyubey would disagree with them. I don't have to tell you what Bentham's side would be regarding on lying, since he wouldn't see a problem with this as long as Kyubey's action maximizes happiness (eg: save the universe). But what about on Mill's side of utilitarianism? What would be Mill's view on lying be?

===I cannot tell a lie, you will fail Kyoko.===

Let us picture this scenario. Kyubey is chasing down Madoka and it is seeking her location, it arrives to Homura's residency but before Homura gets to fill that furry alien with bullets, Kyubey asks if Homura has seen Madoka. Prior to Kyubey's arrival, Madoka has sought refuge within Homura's home and she is hiding. On this situation, Mill would say that lying is ok because it serves to the greater good, to protect a girl from Kyubey. To Mill, lying is ok as long as it saves lives and serves its purpose to create happiness. While lying is deceitful, it has some good uses. And as long as the lie harms no one, then there shouldn't be any problem. But what about when Kyubey uses lying to save the universe? Wouldn't that also be for the greatest good? No, it wouldn't be. Kyubey would have violated the liberty of individual girls by forcing them into contracts under false pretense, and by using falsehood and deception, Kyubey has tainted the utility and quality of the greater good. The problem with this assumption, is that it believes that Kyubey would lie, cheat, and steal to attain his goal when in facts it is the opposite. Let us first try to understand Kyubey's "deception" and determine if there is some ground for such accusation.

Observers would notice three things about Kyubey. Whenever it seeks a contract it would only give a basic information and minimal detail regarding what the job entails; when someone ask a question that could unravel the true nature of the Puella Magi System, Kyubey would try to give a satisfactory answer that doesn't divulge too much information; and sometimes when someone wants an honest answer from Kyubey, it would divulge answers that could be interpreted differently that, strictly speaking, could be misleading ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqzW0eHzDSQ&feature=relmfu a misleading truth]). The problem here is that none of this proves that Kyubey has ever lied. It is true that Kyubey has omitted information whenever it suited its purpose, it is also true that Kyubey divulged information with the prospect of influencing events to his favor, and that it tried to hide facts by being vague or evasive without being false. But, was Kyubey a liar? Was Kyubey maliciously deceiving girls for his advantage? In other words, there is a difference between being purposely deceitful and another is using misleading truths (without being false or lying) in the hope that it would be incorrectly interpreted on Kyubey's favor.

Let us start with Sayaka as an example. In [[Episode 2]], Sayaka asks Kyubey what are Witches and how are they any different from mahou shoujo. Kyubey's response was simple yet clever, if a mahou shoujo is born from wishes then witches are born from curses. So a mahou shoujo spreads hope while a Witch spreads despair. Nowhere in this sentence is Kyubey lying, technically Kyubey is not only telling the truth but it briefly gives a glimpse to the Puella Magi System. Of course, you have to read between the lines and be a bit clever to realize it but to anyone unfamiliar with the system, they wouldn't even give much of a second thought. At that moment if Sayaka had pressed further the issue, who knows how far could Kyubey could have avoided telling the whole truth. But sadly, Sayaka didn't. So in effect, as long as they fail to ask the right questions, it is not Kyubey's fault.

Let us look to another example regarding Kyubey's clever way to influence a situation by telling a misleading (but carefully prepared) truth. In [[Episode 9]], Kyoko asks Kyubey if there is a way to get Sayaka's Soul Gem back. Kyubey responds that it doesn't know of any known method. We all know that Kyubey is using a careful evasion not to divulge its opinion, but at the same time tries to divulge the truth. Kyoko not wanting to give up asks Kyubey if are there things that even Kyubey doesnt know. Kyubey replies that it doesn't know everything that there is to know. It acknowledges that the nature of magic defies logic and that it wouldn't be surprising if something absurd did came out of it (let us not forget, Kyubey makes the impossible possible). Kyoko takes Kyubey's response as acknowledging that there is a possibility for her hopes. However, that is a misleading truth. Kyubey does acknowledge that magic defies logic, that what Kyoko would try to attempt has never been tried before. But Kyubey also knows that what Kyoko is suggesting is impossible and would never succeed as it "defies logic"; and even if for some absurd miracle something did happen, the odds of it are astronomical. Of course, Kyubey doesn't tell her that directly, instead it uses misleading truths and facts to confuse Kyoko so she would reach to the wrong conclusion. If you read between the lines, Kyubey is saying that what Kyoko is attempting is foolish and impossible, but Kyubey also adds that magic belongs to the realm of the impossible and that its nature is not well understood (but I am certain that Kyubey is betting that logic would prevail). Whatever conclusion Kyoko ever arrives to, it is not Kyubey's fault. Since Kyubey would respond that it has only given her the information that she needed to reach to the right conclusion. If Kyoko misinterpreted Kyubey's information and instead got the wrong impression, then the fault lies with Kyoko. After all, Kyubey told her the truth and tries to neither encourage nor discourage Kyoko on her wrong conclusion. Kyubey does admit that it usually stops a pointless sacrifice (don't get the wrong idea, Kyubey just doesn't like to lose girls too early before their emotions can be harvested) but in this case it didn't stop her. According to Kyubey, losing Kyoko has a great advantage to further utility. Now, critics would point out that Kyubey killed Kyoko by not discouraging her to stop her foolish plan. It is true, Kyubey did not tried to stop her, instead it just allowed the situation to unfold itself. But here is what it gets tricky, according to Mill people have the freedom to do whatever they want as long as they are not hurting others ''"Government may not interfere with individual liberty in order to protect a person from himself, or to impose the majority's beliefs about how best to live"''("Justice", pg. 49). In essence, Kyubey was allowing Kyoko to exercise her right to recklessly endanger herself. Kyubey knows well the dangers ahead for Kyoko, but since it is Kyoko's right to get herself killed, why interfere? After all, Kyoko knows very well how dangerous it is to meddle with a Witch, she is a veteran mahou shoujo, so she already knows the risks already. If Kyoko wanted to risk her life for an impossible task, then that was her right and her freedom to do so. But let us say hypothetically, what if Kyoko knew what Kyuey was thinking and she still decided to take a gamble? What if Kyoko knew Kyubey was using misleading truths to get rid of her? Critics would say that Kyubey should had at least warn her and told her the truth of the matter. After all, Kyoko is stubborn and would do whatever she wants, no matter the objections. Here is what Mill's utility tell us. First of all, Kyubey has the right and liberty to discard and tell any information in any way it wants it to be, Kyubey can be directly honest and get to the point or deliver the truth in such a way that it could be misinterpreted (as long as Kyubey's words are truthful). Kyubey would also add that it did warn Kyoko on its own way, Kyubey told her that what Kyoko was attempting has never been done in the past and in Kyubey's mind that was an enough warning. What Kyoko does after that is still Kyoko's responsibility. In the end, the fact remains that Kyubey is not attempting to tell a lie but it is attempting to tell the truth in a way that makes it the listeners responsibility to discern the correct conclusion. To force Kyubey to tell Kyoko the whole truth would be a violation of Kyubey's liberty. Also, Kyubey is not harming Kyoko by not telling her the directly the truth. Instead, it is Kyoko who does the harming by not correctly deciphering Kyubey's information. Kyubey would suggest that nowhere at any time it harmed Kyoko, it was in fact [[Oktavia]] who did most of the harming, because Kyoko was too dumb to realize that what she was attempting to do was impossible, and even more dumber for not reading between the lines what Kyubey was telling her. In Kyubey's words, it would say that it never lied; it would acknowledge that it withhold information, but that was because they never asked further; and if anyone ever felt deceived, it is their own fault for misunderstanding Kyubey's words (words that were always truthful). For those who say that Kyubey is deceptive, they are correct but for a different reason that critics would like to believe. Kyubey was hoping its words would be misinterpreted (I don't doubt that was its goal) while still honoring the values of honesty and veracity. That's what frustrates Kyubey's critics. It is true that Kyube is hoping to mislead its victims. But at the same time, Kyubey is honoring the moral laws within the boundaries by hoping that the victims would believe the truth that it's saying and the fact that it's communicating. If the victims misunderstood it's words and the message that Kyubey is communicating, it is not Kyubey's fault. And for that reason one can say that Kyubey is hoping to mislead while at the same time honoring the moral laws without telling a lie. Yes, Kyubey is deceptive but he/she is not a liar.<ref>I would like to make it clear that this is a [[wikipedia:Categorical_imperative|categorical imperative]] from a Kantian philosophy regarding "telling a lie", it is defined as a way of evaluating motivations for action (See, [[Talk:Madoka_Kaname|"Madoka and Minding her Motive"]]). Utilitarianism is considered a [[wikipedia:Consequentialism|consequentialism]], meaning that the moral worth of an action is determined by its resulting outcome. These two bands of philosophies are completely different from each other. But I thought Kant's explanation was much more beautiful and elegant regarding the difference between telling a lie and using a "misleading truth". If Kyubey was as smart as a [[wikipedia:Vulcan_(Star_Trek)|logical Vulcan]], I believe it would use the Kantian method of telling the truth.</ref>

And before anyone objects by saying that Kyubey never warned the girls that becoming a mahou shoujo means getting your soul ripped from your body, we have to take a look back at [[Episode 2]]. When Mami was giving her introductions to Madoka and Sayaka, Kyubey informed the girls that it can grant any wish they want, but that the price of that wish is the production of the Soul Gem and fighting Witches. Let us disregard the obvious fact that the word ''"Soul"'' is in the name of the magical jewelry; if you read between the lines, Kyubey is telling the girls (in its subtle way) that by granting them one wish it would create a Soul Gem as its price for it. Kyubey may not spell it directly, but even with this subtle information, anyone smart enough would be able to conclude that someone's soul would be ripped to create that magical gem (at least on Kyubey's mind). In other words, Kyubey did warn and informed the girls about how Soul Gems are created, they were just not clever enough to decipher that information.

Before we end this section I would like to address a criticism regarding an issue that none of the girls who contracted by Kyubey wished to become Witches. It is true that no mahou shoujo wants to become a witch. But let us examine Kyubey's language when it asks many of those girls if they would like to make a contract. When Kyubey asks Madoka if she would like to become a mahou shoujo, what Kyubey is actually asking is if Madoka would like to stop being human. Remember, what is a mahou shoujo? They are girls who can use magic, their healing abilities and strengths are faster and superior to humans, and it is suspected if their bodies were damaged they could be replaced (this is the closest to immortality they would ever get). Now, what is to be human? It is certain it is none of what I stated previously. Humans can't do magic, they dont heal fast, and they dont have replacing body parts when they are mangled horribly. When Kyoko was angry and told Kyubey that it changed them into zombies. Kyubey's answered that it was the only way that they could become a mahou shoujo, that there would be no other way to achieve the same such results or be able to use magic effectively. For safety and efficiency reasons their souls are turn into soul gems so a mahou shoujo can do their job more effectively, making them invincible and giving them better odds to survive a battle against a Witch. Isn't that nice from Kyubey? After all, it is looking after the best interest of the girls. It would be just as crueler to send weak human girls to fight against witches, in a way the Soul Gem process is much more "humane". Kyubey would also explain that the process of becoming a Witch is just an unfortunate effect of the mahou shoujo process. If they dont want to become Witches all they have to do is not taint their souls too much. Yet, never the least, the girls accepted the risk by making a contract and becoming a mahou shoujo. And with that comes the risks of the job.

===Bentham, the true monster. Mill, impractical idealism.===

After studying and reviewing the information, we can conclude without a doubt that Kyubey faithfully follows a Utilitarian philosophy. But it is also clear to mention that Kyubey's utilitarianism seems to be a mixture blend of Bentham's and Mill's thinking. Sometimes Kyubey would swing to one formula of utility and then swing back when it is convenient to do so. But it remains mostly on Mill's side most of the time, with the exception of when the whole planet is devastated. One could presume to suggest that Kyubey's thinking is not "The End Justifies the Means" as much as "Using Mill's Means to attain Bentham's End". Let me be the first say that Kyubey's Utilitarianism shares some similar values to Bentham and Mill. However, because Kyubey doesn't follow one principle of utility but a different version, we have to then assume that it is neither and both for two reasons. First, Kyubey is restrained by the rules that the alien race has laid on him. If Kyubey believed Bentham's utility wholly, it would disregard their rules and force Madoka into a contract regardless of her will or the rules itself. Instead, Kyubey tries to remain within the parameters and at the same time achieve the goals given to it. Second, if Kyubey had any respect for Mill's notion of Utilitarianism, then Kyubey has failed. Mill ideal version of utility is that with time the values of Utilitarianism would create progressive thinking and moral decisions based on utility that would allow the delivery of the greatest good. If Kyubey tried to follow Mill's ideal version of Utility, then he would be the less productive Incubator in the whole Universe; at that rate the end of the universe would be guaranteed. But it isn't so much as Kyubey failed Mill as Mill failed Kyubey. The problem with Mill's thinking is that it tries to maintain the principles of utility and the moral values of individual liberty at the same time. Critics have blasted Mill's utility as being naive and contradictory to Utilitarianism, some would suggest that Mill's formula violates the principle of Utility all together. Mill has proven that it can humanize utilitarianism when it adds a moral ideal of human dignity into the formula, but those ideals are independent of utility itself. Mill's formula would never achieve the greatest good that reflects the highest virtue of human value as long as it tries to maintain it within the realm of utility.

Since Kyubey is from a very advance alien race, I have to assume Kyubey's utility shares similarities to our own understanding of Utility, but at the same time it is also unique because it transcends Bentham's and Mill's thinking, thus making it into a third form of Utilitarian thinking that shares some of their values but for a different end than Bentham or Mill would conclude. This is, of course, speculation.

It is very clear that many critics and detractors have accused Kyubey of being evil, a liar, and a manipulator for good measure. But I would like to point out that they have failed to understand Kyubey and his own way of thinking to demonstrate why Kyubey is wrong. Their views have been mostly on the human side of the issue. Failing to see it from Kyubey's perspective to understand Kyubey. We have to remember that it is not easy to judge an alien race that we know little about, not even their moral values, but for the sake of argument we have to at least try. According to Homura, she doesn't think Kyubey thinks itself to be evil or cruel, she believes Kyubey just have a different perspective regarding morality so it fails to understand human values. However, that doesn't mean Homura trust Kyubey or believes she can reason with it. But let us be clear, by understanding Kyubey's utilitarianism I am not trying to justify its action. Instead, I am trying to comprehend Kyubey's point of view and perspective. What I have learned from Kyubey's point of view is that the issues regarding if Kyubey is evil or not is moot. What we should be concerned is the way Kyubey sees the world, which is much more disturbing and terrifying, and the worst part is that people who think the same way as Kyubey don't think that they are evil either or that they are doing anything wrong.

===Kyubey: CEO of Entropy, INC.===

If I had to describe Kyubey from any organism from our world, I would say that no organism exist that is similar to Kyubey. The closest we have is a human being. But even at that it would fail to describe Kyubey accurately, because Kyubey shares many differences than similarities with humans. Just like humans, Kyubey demonstrates high intelligence and faculties similar to humans, but unlike humans it lacks emotions; it cannot die but instead spawn new bodies; and is able to grant abilities that itself cannot exercise or posses, humans could only dream of having such abilities.

So instead, rather than imagine Kyubey from any known living organism I would like to think Kyubey is similar to a non-living entity that is not just similar to Kyubey, but it paints a perfect picture of what Kyubey is. This non-living entity seems to follow Kyubey's philosophy regarding utilitarianism that is neither Bentham's or Mill's version. It uses Mill's means to attain Bentham's ends. Like Kyubey, it also has a goal to maximize utility for its own advantage.

Let us remember, an alien race created an artificial entity that is highly intelligent with no emotions, these aliens bestowed upon Kyubey certain abilities and limitations but also parameters known as "rules". Kyubey is assigned with a very simple mission and duty: follow the rules stated by the alien race (it cannot force humans into a contract. It also means it cannot also lie but it is allowed the flexibility to limit his information as long as it is truthful), maximize the collection of energy to repair the universe without violating the given parameters, and protect the girls until they reach to their maximum potential. Now, let us imagine that Kyubey is not an artificial organism created by an alien race, let us think of Kyubey as a Corporation created by a group of business people. "Kyubey", as the company is known, has a business mandate: follow the national and international laws regarding trade and finances set up by an entity known as "the government". "Kyubey" as a company is not allowed to exercise illegal activities, but the laws are flexible and deregulated enough to allow for a company to pursue interests that would benefit a free market society in a very competitive enviroment, if it wishes to survive it would take advantage of the loosened rules (in other words, as long as it is withing the boundaries of the law and it is not illegal, the company is protected from liability); and "Kyubey" must maximize company profits in order to not only benefit shareholders but to also avoid a bankruptcy or being taken over by the competition. "Kyubey" believes its existence is essential for the survival of the market/financial economy (so think of the universe as a large financial consortium). Without Corporations there is no free market or capitalism, and without Incubators you can say goodbye to the universe.

I am certain some of you would think that I am overreaching with my thinking but let us just assume that my assertion is possible for the moment. One day "Kyubey" is taken to court and it stands accused of several crimes. The proceedings state that the company has violated several laws and disregarded the rights of their employees. The first criminal accusation would be false advertisement and failure to disclose information. Sayaka, the accuser, would declare that she would have never made a contract if she had known that her soul would be ripped from her body and that she would become a witch. As stated before, what Sayaka calls false advertisement, Kyubey would defend himself by stating that Sayaka failed to "read between the lines" and if she didn't understand the conditions of the contract she should have contacted a lawyer of her own. The other issue regarding becoming a Witch, "Kyubey" would explain that Sayaka had more than enough information to make an educated decision regarding the risks of the job. According with the company, Sayaka knew the risks of becoming a mahou shoujo, what happens after the facts (or in this case, death) bears no consequence, nor does it make any difference regarding occupational hazard and safety (in other words, knowing that Sayaka would become a Witch during her period of employment would not have prevented her from becoming one). Not to mention it would be reckless endangerment to send weak little girls against witches; so the company has a policy regarding safety and health to protect their employees against hazards, ergo they rip their souls to make soul gems to minimize pain and increase their magical powers. What kind of employee sues a company for trying to reduce occupational hazards? Isn't Sayaka being ungrateful?

And regarding Sayaka's objection to her "uninformed" consent. As an example, let us say that "Kyubey" is a weapons manufacturing company and they employed Sayaka to create missiles. Sayaka knows what missiles are and that they are used during military campaigns. However, Sayaka believes that the missiles would only be used to kill evil people. One day she learns that one of the missiles she helped to construct was used to blow up a building that was suspected to house enemy combatants but instead it killed innocent civilians. While it is true that "Kyubey" sold the missile to the military for the purpose of warfare. There is no way that the company could have predicted that it would be used to cause innocent casualties; the company is aware of the possibility of such scenario. But we have to remember that this future event or circumstance is possible but cannot be predicted with certainty. According to "Kyubey", becoming a witch is not a certaintity but just a possible outcome. And in any case, "Witchification" is no different than death. So knowing or not knowing, for the sake of safety and health on Sayaka's part, makes no difference. The job still comes with the same risks, anyway. Nothing has changed.

But "Kyubey" would state that divulging sensitive information regarding "company secrets" would be detrimental for company morale. In fact, by not divulging sensitive information that would be a hindrance for employees to maximize their potentials, the company and employees like Sayaka would be able to achieve their potential without any unnecessary distractions. By knowing sensitive information, employees like Sayaka would lose focus and increase the potential of creating a hostile environment.

As one final act, "Kyubey" would state that as a company it has a responsibility to their shareholders by maximizing its profits. People may question a company's policy and its methods of obtaining profits, but as long as no legal laws have been broken then no crime has been committed. But much more importantly, "Kyubey" would state that as a company they are obligated to make no exceptions nor reverse their company policy just because a mahou shoujo feels like what they are doing is wrong. After all, "Kyubey" is a company not a charity. It is true that Kyubey does provide an exchange for products and services, so it is not "free", there is a price for it. If Kyubey were to grant wishes for free (without collecting souls or despair energy), not only there would be a quick depletion of energy, but their company would go bankrupt. The reason Kyubey collects souls is that they need them to create more despair energy, the more despair energy Kyubey creates, the safer the universe becomes. And the more energy Kyubey has on reserve, the more energy they can use to be reinvested to hire new and more mahou shoujo. So, Kyubey as an industry does not only provide products and services, but as a company they are also protecting the universe and reinvesting their energy to provide wishes and employment to more girls. It is true that "Kyubey" is polluting their cities with curses, familiars, and witches that are detrimental to humans. But can anyone point out to any company that has never produced toxic waste (or even just normal waste) during its lifetime? And what about the benefits that many girls have obtainted? Girls like Mami were given a second life, otherwise she would be dead. Kyouko was able to avoid destitution and hunger thanks to her wish. And even Sayaka was able to get the opportunity to heal a friend. Can anyone complain that Kyubey's services are not essential to the community and society? Kyubey as a company has saved lives, provided food and housing opportunity for the destitute, and healed incurable diseases and physical disabilities; making society and the human race more productive, safer from [[wikipedia:Heat_death_of_the_universe|death heat]], and better in the long run.

And as a business, the company has an obligation to be financially sound. But much more importantly, "Kyubey" is an important member of the community. After all, society and the whole human race have profited from Kyubey's products, and services. Kyubey's presence on Earth is essential for human progress. Without Kyubey's interference, humanity would never have achieved and advanced in the areas of art, culture, history, medicine, philosophy, science, technology, and other progresses. In fact, without Kyubey, humans would still be naked and living in caves. Before anyone can accuse the company of being selfish and greedy, perhaps humanity should asks themselves if they are in any better position to be self-righteous against the company after benefiting from so much? Specially, since all of human progress is thanks to the sacrifice and despair of innocent little girls.

===Why is Kyubey wrong.===
<blockquote>''"If you ever feel like dying for this universe, just call us."'' ~ Kyubey, [[Episode 9]].</blockquote>

I would like to add one last comparison regarding Kyubey as a corporation and the philosophy of utility. As I have stated before, Kyubey used Mill's means to attain Bentham's end. What I mean is that a Corporation would try to stay within the boundaries of the law to maximize its profit and size, but it would also use Kyubey's method to eliminate its competition and achieve Bentham's end, which would be either be the elimination of all competition or achieving a total monopoly on the market. After all, the purpose of a company is to prolong its existence and to promote the idea that without them there is no free market. Just like Kyubey wants to prolong the existence of the universe and without Incubators there is no one to stop the end of the universe. But as we have observed, Kyubey's approach and solution is quite unnerving. Specially when we are asked to accept the suffering of little girls as a form of payment to enjoy the fruits of past labors and sufferings. But I would like to add one last thought. One of the reasons that utilitarianism has it critics is its attempt to use market values to achieve a noble and moral choice. This is not just reserved only to corporations; [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost%E2%80%93benefit_analysis government entities] and individuals attempt to do the same everyday[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2Rq4HJBxw&feature=relmfu]. Not only does utilitarianism fails in its noble and moral goal, but during the process we have probably noticed that humanity and the human soul has been reduced as a form of currency. Think about it, Kyubey would not accept no other form of payment but a human soul, something that it is considered to be sacred and holy (depending on your beliefs). Now suddenly, this alien creature decides that humans souls are no different than commodities to be traded. This utilitarian attempt to reduce all and everything as a commodity, including a human soul and the right of sale of it, is a degradation of our humanity that is being packaged as goods. It loses its moral value and dignity in the marketing process.<ref>''"Certain modes of valuation are appropriate to certain goods and practices. In the case of commodities, such as cars and toasters, the proper way of valuing them is to use them, or to make them and sell them for profit. But it's a mistake to treat all things as if they were commodities. It would be wrong, for example, to treat human beings as commodities, mere things to be bought and sold. That's because human beings are persons worthy of respect, not objects to be used. Respect and use are two different modes of valuation."'' Michael Sandel, "Justice" (pg 96).</ref> This causes us to rethink what makes us human and the values we hold as a civilized society. The reason that we hate and fear Kyubey is not that it is evil; the reason that we hate and fear Kyubey is what it represents. If a human soul can be reduced as a mere currency, or resource, or commodity ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IojqOMWTgv8&feature=related or a battery]), and we are willing to emulate Kyubey's methods and values, then we as humans have failed to realized and recognized our own dignity and value within ourselves. Because Kyubey may be an alien from a different world, but its values are no different from ours once we close examine it.

===Closing===

I would like to reiterate that this is my personal interpretation and opinion regarding Kyubey's utilitarianism and its moral values. This is not an attempt to put words on the creators of the anime series but an attempt to grasp a better understanding of it. I have used resources like the anime series, interviews, and Michael Sandel's book "Justice" to attain a better comprehension and analysis of the Kyubey character. The views of this essay are my own --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 11:08, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Notes:

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== Kyoko, Puella Magi, and Libertarianism ==
At first I disliked the character of Kyoko because she was so unlike Mami and Sayaka, but then she wormed her way into my heart and looking at the character as a whole one can appreciate her character on its own. I will try to work withing the principle [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw4l1w0rkjs&feature=relmfu philosophy of libertarianism] to try to understand her character to better appreciate her, but also demonstrate why the character of Kyoko could be destructive to society as a whole. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

As always, this will take a while... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Libertarianism: an assertion to freedom

John Locke: Life, liberty and the pursuit of wishes

My Soul Gem, My Choice

A Free Market Solution for a Puella Magi Problem

The Puella Magi Cartel

Puella Magi: Girls of Justice or Magical Mercenaries?

Happiness does not equate freedom. Freedom does not equate happiness.

<s>Puellae Magi: a PR Illusion and the Issue of False Interpretation.</s>

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2012-02-23T05:54:53Z

Animerican-Redeemed: Preliminary Quality Concerns

== Preliminary Quality Concerns ==

Alright, so as I pointed out on Aniplex's and Madoka Magica USA's facebook walls.... there is a noticeable difference in the amount of white on one cover versus another cover; the standard DVD cover has more white gradient(?) than the LE BD/DVD combo cover:

[[File:Madoka-Magica-Vol2-Cover-DVD.jpg]] [[File:DVD Combo.jpg]]

Goodness. Surely this was some kind of photoshop error that can be remedied within the next few weeks.... right? (And Unlike the Japanese BDs, this whiteness doesn't come as part of a removable, clear slipcase. ) This is really my favorite cover art out of all original BDs/DVDs, so I hope this doesn't stick.

Oh, yeah: and then there's how Mami is on the slipcover of the set that's all about Kyoko and Sayaka. MUMI WHY.

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2012-02-23T05:40:07Z

Animerican-Redeemed: (The lower quality BD/DVD combo cover...)

(The lower quality BD/DVD combo cover...)

File:Madoka-Magica-Vol2-Cover-DVD.jpg

2012-02-23T05:38:40Z

Animerican-Redeemed: (The higher quality DVD cover...)

(The higher quality DVD cover...)

Licensing in USA

2012-02-23T05:35:25Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* DVD/Blu-ray release */

[[File:Otakon_Poster.jpg|thumb|150px]]
== Initial News ==
On July 1, 2011, Aniplex USA [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-07-01/aniplex-usa-adds-madoka-magica-blue-exorcist-on-home-video announced] at Anime Expo that they had acquired Puella Magi Madoka license for the US. Since then, Aniplex USA has established a [http://www.madokamagicausa.com/ website] for Madoka, with links to twitter, facebook and youtube channel. The release will have both English subtitles and dub options.

== DVD/Blu-ray release ==
[[File:Madoka-Magica-V1-Assets USA Aniplex.jpg|Volume 1 Limited Edition Box|thumb]]
[[File:1st-Promo-Photo--LE-Box--2.jpeg|Volume 2 Limited Edition Box|thumb]]

Aniplex USA [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/madoka-magica-to-get-english-bds-starting-february-14 announced] a three Blu-Ray and DVD release of Puella Magi Madoka Magica at the New York Comic Con panel. The first volume will be released on both Blu-ray Disc and DVD on February 14, 2012. The second volume will follow on April 10, and the third volume will ship on June 12. Pre-orders started on [http://www.madokamagicausa.com/product-combo1.php October 17, 2011]. There will be a limited edition box with the DVD, Blu-ray Disc, and the original soundtrack. The box will also bundle the following: 24-page booklet, a double-sided poster, Kyubey stickers, collectible "Preview Illustrations" of episode 1-4 postcards, a trailer collection, and credit-less opening and ending animation footage.

The following voice actors were announced:

* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=95337 Christine Marie Cabanos] as Madoka
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=95781 Cassandra Lee] as Kyubey
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=104914 Sarah Williams] as Sayaka

On December 16, 2011, Aniplex announced the rest of the key cast:

* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=70779 Lauren Landa] as Kyoko
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=8519 Carrie Keranen] as Mami
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=53287 Cristina Vee] as Homura

The official dubbed trailer has also been released and can be watched on [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laTRlKXrCXk YouTube].

=== Disc Specs ===
Languages: Japanese & English 
Audio: Dolby Digital 2.0 for Blu Ray, Linear PCM for DVD 
Subtitles: English 
Aspect Ratio: 16x9 
Region: no region 
Rating: 13 UP

'''All Volumes''' 
∗ Original Japanese and English languages 
∗ Textless Opening 

'''Volume 1''' 
∗ Ending theme song "Magia" music video by Kalafina 
∗ Trailer collection 

== Online distribution ==
[[File:Madokamine.jpg|thumb|The dub has become a meme even before its release...]]
[[File:Nico dub poll results.jpg|thumb|Poll results]]
=== NicoNico ===
On Friday, February 10th, 20:30 PST (Feb 11, 4:30 UTC), the [[Episode 1|first episode]] with English dub and Japanese subtitles (which were a transcript of the original dialogue) streamed for free on [http://live.niconico.com/watch/lv79795448 Nico2], as well as on Japanese [http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv79795448 Nico Nico Douga]. The broadcast was available in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK and Japan, and has attracted 56485 viewers, who wrote 95826 comments.

After the broadcast, NicoNico conducted a poll to rate the show among the viewers. 78.8% has rated it "very good", 17.0% "OK", 1.5% "not very" and 2.7% "bad".

=== Crunchyroll ===
The anime streaming site [http://www.crunchyroll.com/ Crunchyroll] announced on February 15th that [http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-751053/puella-magi-madoka-magica-comes-to-crunchyroll it has acquired rights to stream the series on the site]. The series will be streamed on a weekly basis, with each episode premiering on Wednesday at 10:00 PST (18:00 UTC).

The series is streamed with original Japanese audio and English subtitles. Up to 1080p quality is available for premium users. The streams are available in North America only.

== Manga ==
[http://www.yenpress.com/ Yen Press] [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/yen-press-adds-madoka-magica-soul-eater-not-yuki-chan announced] at the New York Comic Con that it licensed the [[Madoka Magica (manga)|Puella Magi Madoka Magica manga]], story by Magica Quartet, art by Hanokage.

The first volume will be released in May 2012, the second in August 2012 and the third and final volume in December 2012. Each volume will retail at $11.99 and contain approximately 144 pages. Manga description from [http://www.yenpress.com/puella-magi-madoka-magica/ Yen Press]:

''When a new girl joins her class, Madoka Kaname feels she recognizes the mysterious, dark-haired transfer student from one of her dreams…a dream where she is approached by a cat-like creature who offers Madoka an opportunity to change destiny. Madoka had always thought magic was the stuff of fantasy…until she sees the transfer student fighting with the very cat-being from her dream! And just like in Madoka’s dream, the cat gives her a choice: Will Madoka become a Puella Magi in exchange for her dearest desire? What will be the cost of having her wish come true?''

== Gallery ==
=== DVD/Blu-ray Volume 1 ===
<gallery>
File:Aniplex QB valentine and madoka limited edition box set.jpg
File:Limited edition box set front and back.jpg
File:Madoka limt ed box inside.jpg
File:Animeplex goodies limited ed box.jpg
File:Animeplex limited ed ost.jpg
File:Collection of end card illustrations.jpg
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File:Gertrud+Little Anthonies+Victims of Mustaches.JPG
</gallery>

== See Also ==
* [[Translated_Official_Documents_Miscellaneous#Overseas.2FInternational_Licensing|Other International Licensing]]
* [[Translated_Official_Documents|Translated magazines]]

== External links ==
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2011/otakon/8 ANN on the Madoka premiere viewing Q&A]
* [http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/07/30-1/otakon-2011-atsuhiro-iwakami-all-about-madoka Crunchyroll on Atsuhiro Iwakami panel]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CTHwEZK2JA Aniplex USA Madoka trailer with translated subs]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DhMzOA9l8c Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Madoka Kaname]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlXbnOfi1WA Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Voice Director]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvQp-SWibyQ Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Sayaka Miki]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_XJIN6oW8 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Mami Tomoe]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIpYnJyf-0 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Homura Akemi]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fkNH0YjLh4 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Kyubey]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9eW0IDrQ0Y Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Kyoko Sakura]

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2012-02-23T05:33:11Z

Animerican-Redeemed: First photos of the 2nd LE emerge...

First photos of the 2nd LE emerge...

Talk:Licensing in USA

2012-02-16T18:02:36Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* The Dub */ re:Kyoko

== The Dub ==
Somehow, the voices from the English-dubbed trailer seem really bad to me. Madoka, Sayaka and Kyubey are pretty OK, but Mami, Hitomi, Kyoko and (especially!) Homura totally lost their character from the original... Well, thank God we have multiple audio tracks and softsubs, they ought to be the best invention in home video technology ever ;) --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 17:32, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

:They all sound horrible to me... --[[Special:Contributions/84.77.58.17|84.77.58.17]] 18:48, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm really disappointed by the dub so far. All the characters sound forced to some extent, Sayaka by far is the worst in this aspect. Madoka is trying too hard to sound "cutesy", Mami sounds like she is in her 30s, Homura has no personality and sounds like she is reading a script. On the brighter side, Kyoko is alright as far as dubs go (but lacks the Nonaka Ai charm) and QB is... mediocre. I never trust dubs, but this one really did let me down. --[[User:Lord Chestnut|Lord Chestnut]] 19:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
:Sayaka's voice itself is actually a good match, but she and the rest of the cast didn't show any acting ability. Relistening to it, it seems like it's not the quality of the dub relative to the typical dub that's so bad, but rather the exceptional work of the Japanese VA's, which was clearly above the level of the average Japanese-version anime, added so much to the characters that they make "typical dub" feel like "amateurish butchery." I wonder how much time the dubbing staff spent listening to and understanding the nuances, emoting, and precise voice control in the original.[[User:KM|KM]] 04:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't like the dub. The voices are trying to imitate the 'cutesy' way the Japanese speak and it sounds really fake and stiff. All the girls sounded similar to me, reminds me of Puchi Puri Yuushi. There's not distinction to the characters. Most dubs I've watched so this, they try too hard and it just flat out fails. Like someone in another thread mentioned, that unnatural/stiff sound in the voices isn't present in original English cartoons. If they voices /are/ better in the anime and the trailer was supposed to fool us, I'll be damned. Though it's highly likely that won't be the case. I just wonder what goes on in the VAs/director's heads when they do dubs. Do they even know the personality of the character they're supposed to be portraying? Also, to quote someone on YT, "cutesy doesn't translate well to this language". That's my opinion, anyways. [[User:ViralJuggernaut|ViralJuggernaut]] 07:54, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Sooo, another sample video is there. Unfortunately it's region-locked, but fortunately, there are proxies ;) Anyway, technicalities aside - not in the slightest did that convince me that the dub might be better than I think it'll be. It may be cruel, but it seems that the problem is kind of lack of emotions to the show from the cast. When Aoi Yuuki is talking about the show, for example in the BD/DVD commentaries, she really feels attached to it and it's clear that she had put her heart into the recording. And Christine Marie Cabanos in that interview seems as plain as humanly possible. It gave me a feeling of "oh well, just another dubbing session, not much to say about it". The only thing I wonder about is - is the dub bad, or are the original seiyuu just ''that'' good? --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 01:51, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
:I can't comment on dubs because I don't follow them. But I can say the way the seiyuu talk about Madoka is unusually passionate. They're all very good seiyuu and Japanese fans have repeatedly praised the quality of their performances in Madoka. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 02:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
:I liked what I heard from that guy they had on the script. He seems to be putting thought into it. But on the VA side I got the impression that they were overwhelmed and learning as they went along. That probably means making a trailer composed entirely of lines from the very beginning wasn't the best way to show off. As for Aoi Yuuki, she's totally off the deep end even by hardcore standards, and puts average Japanese VAs to shame. If you try to find someone to dub James Bond, Connery will make them all look like amateurs, especially if they are amateurs.
:One interesting thing he mentioned was that the dubbers expected a veteran to do the lines in single takes, but they ended up doing lots of retakes and spending time trying to get it right. The JP interviews said they expected to spend a lot of time doing retakes, but ended up nailing things in one shot very often. Kind of reminds me of sports, one team is getting out of their usual comfort zone for a big game, and another is aiming for the championship and has one of those days when they're in the zone and can't be stopped. [[User:KM|KM]] 08:14, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
::So I watched the director and Sayaka interviews. And you're right, the director guy seems to be genuinely enjoying the show and the work he put into it. Sayaka's VA is actually not so bad, either. Not the level of KitaEri, but she'll definitely be one of the better voices of the dub. Any clip of the dub featuring Mami, though, is just... That voice just doesn't suit her. At all.
::I'm curious to hear more scenes of Kyubey and Homura next ;) And well... I just wonder how eps 10-12 will end up in the dub. Those were so epic performances of the original seiyuu, and I can't help being afraid of those eps getting ruined by the English VAs... --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 11:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Is there any method to view those videos outside of US? I'm unable to view those videos. But I'm very interested in them. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 12:20, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
::::You need some kind of proxy. [http://proxyultra.com/ This one] seems to work pretty well. You can also try eg. ones listed on [http://freenuts.com/top-10-free-online-proxy-websites/ this site] or google "youtube proxy". --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 00:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much. It works. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 19:12, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
::I kind of like the attitude of Mami's VA. She actually may not turn out bad in this role, but it's a totally different way of portraying her than in the Japanese version. Kaori Mizuhashi's Mami is much more cheerful and high-spirited, while Carrie Keranen is just gentle and caring. "Tiro Finale" with American English accent is just awful, though, sorry -_- --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 16:30, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Cristina Vee is awesome. In general, I mean. She contributed to Haruhi dub adverts, she dubbed Mio in K-On, she has some skills and... well, is awesome in general. I liked her interview the best so far. But... she's also NOT the right person to do Homura. The voice just doesn't go together with image well. She would be great as Mami or Sayaka, I guess, but Homura is definitely not the right character for her... I have really weird thoughts about the guys who did the US casting... --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 14:28, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, the Kyoko girl, Lauren Landa. She is certainly the worst among the cast in terms of pronouncing Japanese names. She makes the name of her own character sound more like "Kiyoko" than "Kyoko" :/ But thankfully Kyoko doesn't say people's names too often, and in terms of the actual dialogue, she might actually be better than I expected. She has a totally different voice than Aipon, but it might actually work; she seems to authentically like her character, which will certainly help. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 14:32, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
:: This seems barely noticeable to me, though.... I mean, I'm in the midst of taking my second year of University Japanese (might've been third if I heard about the Japanese program freshman year...), and I'm only hearing some of that now that you and some random youtube poster mentioned it. But even then, it doesn't sound like the "Ki" (き) part of "Kyo" (きょう）is drawn out much, at least not on a consistent basis; it's a subtle enough difference to be overlooked in the bigger scheme of things. I have definitely heard a whole lot worse pronunciations of Japanese names and words, let me tell you. Anyway, we've heard Lauren Landa say "Kyoko" more times in this cast video than she ever will while actually playing the part of Kyoko in the series, so whatever "flubbing" there is here should matter little, as you've kinda already said. On a separate note, I'm really loving what I've heard of Kyoko in the cast video; I'd be lying if I didn't get a big grin stuck on my face after hearing her dub lines between the 0:31 and 0:37 mark. [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 18:02, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

== February 11, 2012 ==
[[File:Madokamine.jpg|thumb|You're MINE, Madoka, MINE MINE MINE!]]
February 11, simulcast Nico broadcast in of Ep 1 in North America, Japan, UK, and Australia with English dubs and Japanese subs. 2012/02/11 (Sat): 13:00 Opening 13:30 (JST). http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv79795448 --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 12:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
:Well, Saturday 13:00 JST is:
:* Friday 20:00 (8 PM) PST (US West Coast)
:* Friday 23:00 (11 PM) EST (US East Coast)
:* Saturday 4:00 (AM) UTC (UK)
:* Saturday 12:00 (noon) WST (Western Australia)
:* Saturday 15:00 (3 PM) AEDT (South-Eastern Australia)
:I think the live stream won't be too popular among UK fans ;) But still, that's great news, it may mean that a UK license is around the corner - hoping heavily for it! --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 19:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, so I actually happened to stay up this late and find a (somewhat) working proxy, so I watch it, until ca. the time Mami shows up, the proxy went down at that time, so I couldn't hear her. Anyway, the dub was better than I thought it'll be, it flowed quite good, and the voices fit. Surprisingly even Homura. QB shows a little bit too much emotion, though. I'll comment on it more once I watch the Mami scenes, but the dub seems OK, definitely not worse than the Italian one. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 05:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:: The thing is, though, didn't Kyubey sound a bit "emotional" himself originally? I just saw all four of the episodes, subbed, of the LE that arrived early for me, and he doesn't seem to be talking with the same lack of passion that we've tended to associated with him after knowing more about him. I feel that many fans have just over-credited Kyubey with an emotionless voice, as if he was fully lacking any personality '''on a vocal level''' for all twelve episodes. Its this beginning part of the series, in this 1-2 episode period before the first big jump down the rabbit hole abyss, that he goes all chirpy salesman the most, and tries to appeal to the girls the most on an emotional level.[[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 04:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm not saying that Kyubey was totally and utterly emotionless in the original. Just that he was noticeably less emotional than in the dub. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 04:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, managed to finish the episode. Well, Mami's voice is definitely the worst part of this dub IMO. I didn't make it to the /a/'s ep2-4 streams, but the lines that are in the Mami's VA video ("Tiro Finale"... OMGWTF) don't help... ;] Well, we won't be hearing her too much anyway xD --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 05:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:I agree that Mami's voice is worst part of the whole thing. On the other hand, Tatsuya's voice is so adorable and Sayaka sounds like KITAERI. I found it pretty weird that they re-dub Anthony voice, though. (Oh I wish I could watch it without lagging every 3 seconds.) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 06:24, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
::Anthonies were dubbed in Italian too. Yes, it's weird. [[User:Kraff|Kraff]] 06:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Maybe the Japanese are just giving copies without Anthonies' voices to the dubbing companies and they have no choice but to redub them. Anyway, the "English" Anthonies were much closer to the original and much better-sounding overall, than the "Italian" ones, at least to my ear. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 13:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

FYI- 37K viewers, 88K comments, overall high approval rating on [[:Media:Ep 1 English Feedback.png|Nico live broadcast of ep 1.]]
:When the stream closed, [[Media:Madokadubnico.PNG |it was reading]] 39,176 visitors and 93,216 comments. [[User:KM|KM]] 10:37, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
::You're confusing the former, which is Japanese Nico with the latter, English Niconico. They're different sites for viewing. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

On another note - anyone else noticed how the Japanese subs were an exact transcript of the original dialogue? Which wasn't a faithful translation of the English audio at times since the dub took liberties here and there. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 13:31, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Gertrud

2012-02-16T02:43:14Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* Official Documents */

__NOTOC__
'''Gertrud''' ({{Runes|GERTRUD}}) is a witch born from negative emotions, who loves roses more than anything else--her [[barrier]] is full of them. She uses humans' life energy to feed her roses and hates humans entering her barrier. Her minions are [[Anthony]] and [[Adelbert]]. She and her barrier are presented in a surreal manner with bizarre cut-and-paste-style photo collages. She also seems to like mustaches as both of her minions have some. The special page has confirmed that the mustaches are set by the witch herself. Her "body" has parts from a butterfly, and butterflies are seen in her barrier at many points. (See also: [[Gertrud's maze]]).

{{Card
|name = Gertrud
|runes = GERTRUD
|image = File:Card Gertrud.png
|japanese_desc = 薔薇園の魔女。性質は不信。なによりも薔薇が大事。その力の全ては美しい薔薇のために。結界に迷い込んだ人間の生命力を奪い薔薇に分け与えているが、人間に結界内を踏み荒らされることは大嫌い。
|english_desc = The rose garden witch with a distrustful nature. She holds roses dearer than anything else. She expends all of her power for the sake of beautiful roses. Despite stealing the life-force of humans who wander into her barrier to give to her roses, she loathes the thought of them trampling the inside of her barrier.
|type = Rose garden witch
|nature = Distrustful
|episodes = [[Episode 2]]
}}

==Minions==
{{Card
|name = Anthony
|runes = ANTHONY
|image = File:Card Anthony.png
|japanese_desc = 魔女の手下。その役割は造園。おヒゲは魔女にセットしてもらう。
|english_desc = The witch's minion. His duty is landscaping. His mustache is set by the witch.
|type = Rose garden witch's minion
|nature = Landscaping
|episodes = [[Episode 1]], [[Episode 2]], [[Episode 12]]
}}

{{Card
|name = Adelbert
|runes = ADELBERT
|image = File:Card Adelbert.png
|japanese_desc = 薔薇園の魔女の手下。その役割は警戒。人間を見つけると、ベルのような警戒音を鳴らし、容赦ない頭突きを食らわせる。視力は 2.5。小さなタイプは侵入者を阻む薔薇の蔦に変身可能。
|english_desc = The rose garden witch's minion. His duty is to act as lookout. Upon seeing a human, he will sound a warning bell and headbutt him mercilessly. They have 2.5 (20/8) vision. The smaller type can change into rose vines to hinder intruders.
|type = Rose garden witch's minion
|nature = Lookout
|episodes = [[Episode 2]]
}}

==Note==
In [[Episode 1]], Anthonys are seen surrounding Sayaka and Madoka and yelling the following German phrases in a distorted manner:
{| class="wikitable" style="line-height: 1.6em;"
! style="width: 50%;" | Original
! style="width: 50%;" | English Translation
|-
|Das sind mir unbekannte Blumen. Ja. Sie sind mir auch unbekannt. Schneiden wir sie ab? Ja. Schneiden wir sie ab! Die Rosen schenken wir unsrer Königin. Und die schlechten Blumen steigen auf die Guillotine. Ja. Schneide sie ab! Ja. Schneide sie heraus!
|Those flowers are unknown to me. Yes. They are also unknown to me. Shall we cut them off? Yes. Let us cut them off. We present the roses to our queen. And the bad flowers go to the guillotine. Yes. Cut them off! Yes. Cut them out!
|}
==Trivia and Speculation==
*Gertrud's name may be a reference to [[wikipedia:Gertrude_(Hamlet)|Queen Gertrude]] from Shakespeare's play Hamlet.
*Her name may be a reference to Gertrud Barkhorn from [[wikipedia:Strike Witches|Strike Witches]].
*In episode 2 there's a grotesque image of Napoleon right before the door to Gertrud's barrier opens. Gertud may have been inspired by [[wikipedia:Josephine_Beauharnais|Joséphine de Beauharnais]], wife of Napoleon Bonaparte. She was known as Rose until she married Napoleon, and she patronized the development of rose breeding at her gardens at Malmaison, collecting some 250 varieties.
*Seiyus called Anthony ひげおじさん (''Higeojisan'', Uncle Moustache) in the audio comentary tracks of BD/DVD.
**They think he is cute.

==Gallery==

=== Screenshots ===

==== The barrier ====
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Witch homura.jpg|Gertrud's barrier appears around Homura.
File:Witch ep1.jpg|Madoka and Sayaka running around in the barrier.
File:Witch ep2 entering.jpg|Madoka and friends entering the witch's barrier.
File:Witch ep2.jpg|The barrier in Episode 2 is different to the one in Episode 1.
</gallery>

==== Gertrud ====
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Gertrud encounter.png|The girls' first encounter with Gertrud.
File:Gertrud ep2.jpg|Gertrud as seen in the "final room" of the barrier.
File:Shot0023.png|Mami fighting Gertrud in the "final room" of the barrier.
File:Gertrud attacks.png|Gertrud displays what may be her original magical girl symbol overlayed with the witch's kiss symbol while attempting to attack Mami.
File:Ep2-bd-gertrud.jpg|Gertrud's inner barrier from the Blu-ray of episode 2.
</gallery>

==== Anthony ====
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Anthony scary.jpg|Maybe [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HighOctaneNightmareFuel they don't look all that nice after all]
File:Anthony normal.jpg|Closeup on Anthonies faces
File:Anthony helping.jpg|Anthonies as seen in [[Episode 2]]
File:Ep2 Anthony Dies.jpg|When Anthonies die only their upper body disappears: their bottom butterfly simply flies away. Gertrud herself bursts into butterflies after being slain by Mami.
File:Pet antony.gif|Bless all forms of intelligence.
File:Laughinganthonies.jpg|A pair of Anthonies.
</gallery>

==== Adelbert ====
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Adelbert_flying.jpg|Adelberts flying around in the barrier
</gallery>

==== Other ====
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Grief seed.png|The [[Glossary#Grief seed|Grief Seed]] Gertrud dropped is a round ball decorated with thorned vines and topped by the rose and butterfly symbol.
</gallery>

=== Speculation and analyses ===
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Gertrud madoka-magica.jpg|Speculah that appeared 2ch, positing that Gertrud's true form may have been a butterfly.
</gallery>

==Official Documents==
<gallery>
File:Production note Gertrud 1.jpg|Production notes.
File:Guidebook 0046.jpg|Puella Magi Madoka Magica Official Guidebook "You Are Not Alone"
File:Guidebook 0059.jpg
File:Guidebook 0056.jpg
File:Mustached Napoleon & the Little Anthonies.JPG|Napoleon & the Anthonies
</gallery>

==Fan Art==
{{fanart}}
<gallery>
File:My wish by yunare-d3jv9oy.jpg
File:Madoka and gertrud fanart.jpg
File:Gertrud art butterfly.jpg
File:Gertrud four seasons.png
File:829833.jpg
</gallery>

==External links==
*{{card_link|id=1|name=Anthony}}
*{{card_link|id=2}}
*{{card_link|id=3|name=Adelbert}}

[[Category:Witches]]

Gertrud

2012-02-16T02:42:31Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* Official Documents */

__NOTOC__
'''Gertrud''' ({{Runes|GERTRUD}}) is a witch born from negative emotions, who loves roses more than anything else--her [[barrier]] is full of them. She uses humans' life energy to feed her roses and hates humans entering her barrier. Her minions are [[Anthony]] and [[Adelbert]]. She and her barrier are presented in a surreal manner with bizarre cut-and-paste-style photo collages. She also seems to like mustaches as both of her minions have some. The special page has confirmed that the mustaches are set by the witch herself. Her "body" has parts from a butterfly, and butterflies are seen in her barrier at many points. (See also: [[Gertrud's maze]]).

{{Card
|name = Gertrud
|runes = GERTRUD
|image = File:Card Gertrud.png
|japanese_desc = 薔薇園の魔女。性質は不信。なによりも薔薇が大事。その力の全ては美しい薔薇のために。結界に迷い込んだ人間の生命力を奪い薔薇に分け与えているが、人間に結界内を踏み荒らされることは大嫌い。
|english_desc = The rose garden witch with a distrustful nature. She holds roses dearer than anything else. She expends all of her power for the sake of beautiful roses. Despite stealing the life-force of humans who wander into her barrier to give to her roses, she loathes the thought of them trampling the inside of her barrier.
|type = Rose garden witch
|nature = Distrustful
|episodes = [[Episode 2]]
}}

==Minions==
{{Card
|name = Anthony
|runes = ANTHONY
|image = File:Card Anthony.png
|japanese_desc = 魔女の手下。その役割は造園。おヒゲは魔女にセットしてもらう。
|english_desc = The witch's minion. His duty is landscaping. His mustache is set by the witch.
|type = Rose garden witch's minion
|nature = Landscaping
|episodes = [[Episode 1]], [[Episode 2]], [[Episode 12]]
}}

{{Card
|name = Adelbert
|runes = ADELBERT
|image = File:Card Adelbert.png
|japanese_desc = 薔薇園の魔女の手下。その役割は警戒。人間を見つけると、ベルのような警戒音を鳴らし、容赦ない頭突きを食らわせる。視力は 2.5。小さなタイプは侵入者を阻む薔薇の蔦に変身可能。
|english_desc = The rose garden witch's minion. His duty is to act as lookout. Upon seeing a human, he will sound a warning bell and headbutt him mercilessly. They have 2.5 (20/8) vision. The smaller type can change into rose vines to hinder intruders.
|type = Rose garden witch's minion
|nature = Lookout
|episodes = [[Episode 2]]
}}

==Note==
In [[Episode 1]], Anthonys are seen surrounding Sayaka and Madoka and yelling the following German phrases in a distorted manner:
{| class="wikitable" style="line-height: 1.6em;"
! style="width: 50%;" | Original
! style="width: 50%;" | English Translation
|-
|Das sind mir unbekannte Blumen. Ja. Sie sind mir auch unbekannt. Schneiden wir sie ab? Ja. Schneiden wir sie ab! Die Rosen schenken wir unsrer Königin. Und die schlechten Blumen steigen auf die Guillotine. Ja. Schneide sie ab! Ja. Schneide sie heraus!
|Those flowers are unknown to me. Yes. They are also unknown to me. Shall we cut them off? Yes. Let us cut them off. We present the roses to our queen. And the bad flowers go to the guillotine. Yes. Cut them off! Yes. Cut them out!
|}
==Trivia and Speculation==
*Gertrud's name may be a reference to [[wikipedia:Gertrude_(Hamlet)|Queen Gertrude]] from Shakespeare's play Hamlet.
*Her name may be a reference to Gertrud Barkhorn from [[wikipedia:Strike Witches|Strike Witches]].
*In episode 2 there's a grotesque image of Napoleon right before the door to Gertrud's barrier opens. Gertud may have been inspired by [[wikipedia:Josephine_Beauharnais|Joséphine de Beauharnais]], wife of Napoleon Bonaparte. She was known as Rose until she married Napoleon, and she patronized the development of rose breeding at her gardens at Malmaison, collecting some 250 varieties.
*Seiyus called Anthony ひげおじさん (''Higeojisan'', Uncle Moustache) in the audio comentary tracks of BD/DVD.
**They think he is cute.

==Gallery==

=== Screenshots ===

==== The barrier ====
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Witch homura.jpg|Gertrud's barrier appears around Homura.
File:Witch ep1.jpg|Madoka and Sayaka running around in the barrier.
File:Witch ep2 entering.jpg|Madoka and friends entering the witch's barrier.
File:Witch ep2.jpg|The barrier in Episode 2 is different to the one in Episode 1.
</gallery>

==== Gertrud ====
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Gertrud encounter.png|The girls' first encounter with Gertrud.
File:Gertrud ep2.jpg|Gertrud as seen in the "final room" of the barrier.
File:Shot0023.png|Mami fighting Gertrud in the "final room" of the barrier.
File:Gertrud attacks.png|Gertrud displays what may be her original magical girl symbol overlayed with the witch's kiss symbol while attempting to attack Mami.
File:Ep2-bd-gertrud.jpg|Gertrud's inner barrier from the Blu-ray of episode 2.
</gallery>

==== Anthony ====
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Anthony scary.jpg|Maybe [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HighOctaneNightmareFuel they don't look all that nice after all]
File:Anthony normal.jpg|Closeup on Anthonies faces
File:Anthony helping.jpg|Anthonies as seen in [[Episode 2]]
File:Ep2 Anthony Dies.jpg|When Anthonies die only their upper body disappears: their bottom butterfly simply flies away. Gertrud herself bursts into butterflies after being slain by Mami.
File:Pet antony.gif|Bless all forms of intelligence.
File:Laughinganthonies.jpg|A pair of Anthonies.
</gallery>

==== Adelbert ====
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Adelbert_flying.jpg|Adelberts flying around in the barrier
</gallery>

==== Other ====
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Grief seed.png|The [[Glossary#Grief seed|Grief Seed]] Gertrud dropped is a round ball decorated with thorned vines and topped by the rose and butterfly symbol.
</gallery>

=== Speculation and analyses ===
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Gertrud madoka-magica.jpg|Speculah that appeared 2ch, positing that Gertrud's true form may have been a butterfly.
</gallery>

==Official Documents==
<gallery>
File:Production note Gertrud 1.jpg|Production notes.
File:Guidebook 0046.jpg|Puella Magi Madoka Magica Official Guidebook "You Are Not Alone"
File:Guidebook 0059.jpg
File:Guidebook 0056.jpg
File:Mustached Napoleon & the Little Anthonies|Napoleon & the Anthonies
</gallery>

==Fan Art==
{{fanart}}
<gallery>
File:My wish by yunare-d3jv9oy.jpg
File:Madoka and gertrud fanart.jpg
File:Gertrud art butterfly.jpg
File:Gertrud four seasons.png
File:829833.jpg
</gallery>

==External links==
*{{card_link|id=1|name=Anthony}}
*{{card_link|id=2}}
*{{card_link|id=3|name=Adelbert}}

[[Category:Witches]]

File:Mustached Napoleon & the Little Anthonies.JPG

2012-02-16T02:39:33Z

Animerican-Redeemed: Close up of Gekidan Inucurry gallery page from Volume 1 Limited Edition Set (USA)

Close up of Gekidan Inucurry gallery page from Volume 1 Limited Edition Set (USA)

Licensing in USA

2012-02-16T02:34:28Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* Gallery */

[[File:Otakon_Poster.jpg|thumb|150px]]
== Initial News ==
On July 1, 2011, Aniplex USA [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-07-01/aniplex-usa-adds-madoka-magica-blue-exorcist-on-home-video announced] at Anime Expo that they had acquired Puella Magi Madoka license for the US. Since then, Aniplex USA has established a [http://www.madokamagicausa.com/ website] for Madoka, with links to twitter, facebook and youtube channel. The release will have both English subtitles and dub options.

== Release News ==
[[File:Madoka-Magica-V1-Assets USA Aniplex.jpg|Volume 1 Limited Edition Box|thumb]]
Aniplex USA [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/madoka-magica-to-get-english-bds-starting-february-14 announced] a three Blu-Ray and DVD release of Puella Magi Madoka Magica at the New York Comic Con panel. The first volume will be released on both Blu-ray Disc and DVD on February 14, 2012. The second volume will follow on April 10, and the third volume will ship on June 12. Pre-orders started on [http://www.madokamagicausa.com/product-combo1.php October 17, 2011]. There will be a limited edition box with the DVD, Blu-ray Disc, and the original soundtrack. The box will also bundle the following: 24-page booklet, a double-sided poster, Kyubey stickers, collectible "Preview Illustrations" of episode 1-4 postcards, a trailer collection, and credit-less opening and ending animation footage.

The following voice actors were announced:

* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=95337 Christine Marie Cabanos] as Madoka
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=95781 Cassandra Lee] as Kyubey
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=104914 Sarah Williams] as Sayaka

On December 16, 2011, Aniplex announced the rest of the key cast:

* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=70779 Lauren Landa] as Kyoko
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=8519 Carrie Keranen] as Mami
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=53287 Cristina Vee] as Homura

The official dubbed trailer has also been released and can be watched on [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laTRlKXrCXk YouTube].

== Disc Specs ==
Languages: Japanese & English 
Audio: Dolby Digital 2.0 for Blu Ray, Linear PCM for DVD 
Subtitles: English 
Aspect Ratio: 16x9 
Region: no region 
Rating: 13 UP

'''All Volumes''' 
∗ Original Japanese and English languages 
∗ Textless Opening 

'''Volume 1''' 
∗ Ending theme song "Magia" music video by Kalafina 
∗ Trailer collection 

== Manga News ==
[http://www.yenpress.com/ Yen Press] [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/yen-press-adds-madoka-magica-soul-eater-not-yuki-chan announced] at the New York Comic Con that it licensed the [[Madoka Magica (manga)|Puella Magi Madoka Magica manga]], story by Magica Quartet, art by Hanokage.

The first volume will be released in May 2012, the second in August 2012 and the third and final volume in December 2012. Each volume will retail at $11.99 and contain approximately 144 pages. Manga description from [http://www.yenpress.com/puella-magi-madoka-magica/ Yen Press]:

''When a new girl joins her class, Madoka Kaname feels she recognizes the mysterious, dark-haired transfer student from one of her dreams…a dream where she is approached by a cat-like creature who offers Madoka an opportunity to change destiny. Madoka had always thought magic was the stuff of fantasy…until she sees the transfer student fighting with the very cat-being from her dream! And just like in Madoka’s dream, the cat gives her a choice: Will Madoka become a Puella Magi in exchange for her dearest desire? What will be the cost of having her wish come true?''

== Gallery ==
=== Volume 1 ===
<gallery>
File:Aniplex QB valentine and madoka limited edition box set.jpg
File:Limited edition box set front and back.jpg
File:Madoka limt ed box inside.jpg
File:Animeplex goodies limited ed box.jpg
File:Animeplex limited ed ost.jpg
File:Collection of end card illustrations.jpg
File:Www.dotup.org2636915.jpg
File:Gertrud+Little Anthonies+Victims of Mustaches.JPG
</gallery>

== See Also ==
* [[Translated_Official_Documents_Miscellaneous#Overseas.2FInternational_Licensing|Other International Licensing]]
* [[Translated_Official_Documents|Translated magazines]]

== External links ==
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2011/otakon/8 ANN on the Madoka premiere viewing Q&A]
* [http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/07/30-1/otakon-2011-atsuhiro-iwakami-all-about-madoka Crunchyroll on Atsuhiro Iwakami panel]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CTHwEZK2JA Aniplex USA Madoka trailer with translated subs]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DhMzOA9l8c Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Madoka Kaname]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlXbnOfi1WA Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Voice Director]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvQp-SWibyQ Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Sayaka Miki]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_XJIN6oW8 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Mami Tomoe]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIpYnJyf-0 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Homura Akemi]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fkNH0YjLh4 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Kyubey]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9eW0IDrQ0Y Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Kyoko Sakura]

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2012-02-16T02:26:47Z

Animerican-Redeemed: Sample of the Gekidan Inucurry Art Gallery included at end of the booklet

Sample of the Gekidan Inucurry Art Gallery included at end of the booklet

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2012-02-15T02:25:00Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

Maybe my eyes are fooling me, but... you dissected one of the box sets?Well, judging by another picture, I guess that you got at least one other "normal condition" set? Even so, though, I really see no point to tear open an LE other box other than to show displeasure for the box not being chipboard. Then again, maybe I really am just ovr-analyzing this photo... it just looks like its teared at the bottom edge, here.... [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 22:02, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
:: No, it comes wrapped wrapped in plastic (I have one also). There's two box sets, they're just facing different ways so you can see front and back at the same time, I think. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 00:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
::: Ah... yeah, I guess I was looking at it as if the plastic was taken off, but now I see the reflection of the plastic on the box on the left, now. Guess it was pretty silly to think of a box dissection first thing, even though I also got the box set last Friday, wrapped in its plastic and all. So will the second box be an unopened collector's item, and/or something to sell off at a higher price later? [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 02:25, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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2012-02-15T02:24:41Z

Animerican-Redeemed:

Licensing in USA

2012-02-14T22:07:20Z

Animerican-Redeemed: /* External links */ Kyoko Sakura cast video w/Lauren Landa added.

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== Initial News ==
On July 1, 2011, Aniplex USA [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-07-01/aniplex-usa-adds-madoka-magica-blue-exorcist-on-home-video announced] at Anime Expo that they had acquired Puella Magi Madoka license for the US. Since then, Aniplex USA has established a [http://www.madokamagicausa.com/ website] for Madoka, with links to twitter, facebook and youtube channel. The release will have both English subtitles and dub options.

== Release News ==
[[File:Madoka-Magica-V1-Assets USA Aniplex.jpg|Volume 1 Limited Edition Box|thumb]]
Aniplex USA [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/madoka-magica-to-get-english-bds-starting-february-14 announced] a three Blu-Ray and DVD release of Puella Magi Madoka Magica at the New York Comic Con panel. The first volume will be released on both Blu-ray Disc and DVD on February 14, 2012. The second volume will follow on April 10, and the third volume will ship on June 12. Pre-orders started on [http://www.madokamagicausa.com/product-combo1.php October 17, 2011]. There will be a limited edition box with the DVD, Blu-ray Disc, and the original soundtrack. The box will also bundle the following: 24-page booklet, a double-sided poster, Kyubey stickers, collectible "Preview Illustrations" of episode 1-4 postcards, a trailer collection, and credit-less opening and ending animation footage.

The following voice actors were announced:

* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=95337 Christine Marie Cabanos] as Madoka
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=95781 Cassandra Lee] as Kyubey
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=104914 Sarah Williams] as Sayaka

On December 16, 2011, Aniplex announced the rest of the key cast:

* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=70779 Lauren Landa] as Kyoko
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=8519 Carrie Keranen] as Mami
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=53287 Cristina Vee] as Homura

The official dubbed trailer has also been released and can be watched on [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laTRlKXrCXk YouTube].

== Disc Specs ==
Languages: Japanese & English 
Audio: Dolby Digital 2.0 for Blu Ray, Linear PCM for DVD 
Subtitles: English 
Aspect Ratio: 16x9 
Region: no region 
Rating: 13 UP

'''All Volumes''' 
∗ Original Japanese and English languages 
∗ Textless Opening 

'''Volume 1''' 
∗ Ending theme song "Magia" music video by Kalafina 
∗ Trailer collection 

== Manga News ==
[http://www.yenpress.com/ Yen Press] [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-14/yen-press-adds-madoka-magica-soul-eater-not-yuki-chan announced] at the New York Comic Con that it licensed the [[Madoka Magica (manga)|Puella Magi Madoka Magica manga]], story by Magica Quartet, art by Hanokage.

The first volume will be released in May 2012, the second in August 2012 and the third and final volume in December 2012. Each volume will retail at $11.99 and contain approximately 144 pages. Manga description from [http://www.yenpress.com/puella-magi-madoka-magica/ Yen Press]:

''When a new girl joins her class, Madoka Kaname feels she recognizes the mysterious, dark-haired transfer student from one of her dreams…a dream where she is approached by a cat-like creature who offers Madoka an opportunity to change destiny. Madoka had always thought magic was the stuff of fantasy…until she sees the transfer student fighting with the very cat-being from her dream! And just like in Madoka’s dream, the cat gives her a choice: Will Madoka become a Puella Magi in exchange for her dearest desire? What will be the cost of having her wish come true?''

== Gallery ==
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== See Also ==
* [[Translated_Official_Documents_Miscellaneous#Overseas.2FInternational_Licensing|Other International Licensing]]
* [[Translated_Official_Documents|Translated magazines]]

== External links ==
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2011/otakon/8 ANN on the Madoka premiere viewing Q&A]
* [http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2011/07/30-1/otakon-2011-atsuhiro-iwakami-all-about-madoka Crunchyroll on Atsuhiro Iwakami panel]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CTHwEZK2JA Aniplex USA Madoka trailer with translated subs]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DhMzOA9l8c Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Madoka Kaname]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlXbnOfi1WA Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Voice Director]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvQp-SWibyQ Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Sayaka Miki]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_XJIN6oW8 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Mami Tomoe]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIpYnJyf-0 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Homura Akemi]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fkNH0YjLh4 Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Kyubey]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9eW0IDrQ0Y Madoka Magica English Cast Video: Kyoko Sakura]