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User talk:TheresaFrog421

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== Interacting with bots ==

Hello! I wanted to inform you that the user you interacted with "What" to was a bot. In the future, I would recommend not interacting with them and to let moderators handle it. Have a good day. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 14:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== Kuro ==

Just letting you know, but くろ and 黒 are not their last names – both are different ways of writing "kuro" in Japanese, so it's just a difference in spelling. Do you still think it's worth including that information on [[Kuro|this page]]? (I'm not trying to say it's not worth it; I'm letting you decide.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 06:17, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
:Honestly yeah, I know there's the little description next to their name but if Magireco added the くろ and 黒 as a way of differentiating them, I don't see why the kuro page shouldn't, and it helps me identify them quicker. (Also i got the idea of it being a last name because of [[Kuro (くろ)|Kuro's (くろ)]] etymology section where it calls it that) --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
::I mean, sure, it is technically their last name. "Kuro" is presumed to be their surname, not their given name. But your phrasing seemed to imply you were thinking of "Kuro" as the first name and the Japanese characters as the surname, which is not the case. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:34, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Deletion requests ==

Please don't blank the page when requesting for it to be deleted. Just add the deletion requests category. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:27, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:If you're talking about ''Magia Exedra Story Transcripts/Magia Record Main Story - Rumor of the Anonymous AI/Portrait Story'' then I wasn't the one who deleted the content, it was EPF (they created and edited the page so I can't blame them) I only added the deletion request category (I guess I can't prove it since the page is gone). The only proof are [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable & Mami's Heart-Pounding Tiro Finale Grief Seeds]] and [[Minor Oriko Witches]] still having their content (I "moved" them to [[Madoka Magica Grief Seeds]] and [[Oriko Magica Witches]] respectively) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:05, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

== Memory Windows ==

It seems you missed the Symbol Witch and the Mirror Witch? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:Yeah I'm not the one who extracted them out of the files so I can't really find them on my own. I was hoping to get them through EPF's google drive but it seems like theyre not updating it currently so I got them from the Exedra wiki. They dont have the symbol, mirror and two forms of stagecraft window. I'm REALLY not good with any file extracting so I'm sorry that I can't look for them myself. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, that's fair. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Rumor of Walpurgisnacht ==

<blockquote>"I need help, I wanted to change the walpurgisnacht rumor to the eng dub one but I genuinely CANNOT hear what uwasasan is saying in some parts T_T"</blockquote>
Are you not using closed captions (cc)? It should help you. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 00:15, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:The only ones I can use are the translated ones, when I want to upload the official english rumor. If you or anyone else has the real english cc it would help T_T. --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

== Gallery moves!? ==

Wait, why are all the gallery pages being moved? We already went to the trouble of making Gallery: be a proper namespace. What's the problem with having the galleries in their own namespace? Is there some reason why they absolutely have to be subpages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:At first I saw Amaterasu doing it, and since I was changing [[Template:Navbox Anime Gallery]] I decided to just go with it and start moving them. Tbh I shouldn't bring Amaterasu into this but since they're way longer on this wiki and their changes were just left unquestioned I assumed everyone was okay with them, and I wanted to help ཀ ʖ̯ ཀ. I can still change them back even if it takes time but please while you're here delete the redirects I put in [[:Category:Deletion requests|deletion requests]], they're extremely unnecessary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:35, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::The use of subpages is more efficient, in my view. It allows you to quickly link back to the main page, and I think it's better than simply using "Gallery:", since it also makes it clear that it isn't a new page, simply a part of the page. I probably didn't explain this well, I just woke up. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:42, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

:::Yeah, I agree with gallery subpages too. Another bonus is searchability - you have to preface everything with Gallery: if you wanna search for pages in that namespace, they don't appear otherwise. Which kinda sucks. However I'm also pretty sure we're using some cursed old search extension. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:16, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

::::Though, you could also argue that not appearing in searches is a ''good'' thing. Someone searching is more likely to want the article than the gallery. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:01, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

== CSS ==

Regarding [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Witch_Card&diff=next&oldid=193460 this edit]: I'm not sure what you were going for, but you misspelled "margin-top". It has a hyphen in it, not an underscore. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:27, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
:Tried checking it again and it still doesn't work, on some pages the name box appears on the same position as the witch display but on others (like [[Minor Magia Record Witches and Doppels]]) its a little bit lower, it might be some other part of the code though. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:32, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

== Tabbers ==

I noticed you're experimenting with the new <nowiki><tabber></nowiki> tag that was recently installed. Please be sure to watch out for pages that link to specific tabs, as the fragment (the part after <code>#</code>) completely changes with the new system. So, just changing a page to use the new tabs instead of the old potentially breaks links silently with no warning at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:25, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
:Okay, I'll check if the Iroha edit I made broke any links, for now Im focusing on making empty Exedra Event pages but I'll remember it - thanks! - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 04:28, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

== Star ==

Why are you changing the star? The memoria cards clearly use eight-pointed stars, not five-pointed stars. That's why I used an eight-pointed star in the category names. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]])
:On my laptop the star was a blank box (🟎) Idk if Safari doesnt understand that symbol but it just looked broken. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:01, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
:I checked and it just doesn't work on Safari, even if its made with html (🟎). Ive found ones that work, ✵ and ✴ (there are other eight-pointed stars but only these are rotated correctly), I prefer the first one. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:20, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
::So basically it's an issue of you don't have a font with that character. Of the two stars you found that ''do'' work though, I think the second is actually more suitable. The first is "eight-pointed pinwheel star", and it's not solid black unlike the other two. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:59, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

== Enemy elements ==

Do you have a specific order that you think the elements should be shown in for the "enemies" section on the memory window pages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:18, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:They appear in that order in the suggested element section before a fight and the fight itself. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:22, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::So you haven't really checked if the order is always the same then. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:24, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I mean?? I never saw them appear in any other order, so I do just assume that it stays the same. If that's not the case then yeah it should be changed. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::I looked through them a bit. It looks like the game is always listing them in the same order that they appear in the upgrade/crystalis quest lists. At least, I didn't see any that contradicted that order. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:39, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::Okay that's good, also while you're here what do we do with the Scene 0 enemies? From what I got its a lot of enemies from other quests, but Im worried its gonna be almost too many of them. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::I guess the first step would be collating an actual list of the enemies used in Scene 0. Only then can we decide whether it seems like "too many". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:13, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I watched someone play the standard version and this is the list, but I'm pretty sure on Battler and Nightmare there are more unique enemies. Also they all have Aqua Forest and Light weaknesses. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::#Gertrud
::::::#Anthony
::::::#Adelbert
::::::#Ulla
::::::#Charlotte
::::::#Pyotr
::::::#H.N. Elly
::::::#Danniyel & Jennifer
::::::#Anja
::::::#Elsa Maria
::::::#Sebastian's
::::::#Bartels
::::::#Oktavia
::::::#Patricia
::::::#Roberta

== Ponta ==

Thank you! You totally anticipated what I was about to ask for with that gallery edit. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:26, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

==Full Photos==

May I ask where the recent Full photos came from? I really want to see if there's other ones, especially of ones I like :) I'm referring to these (Sayaka Kimono Full 2.png, Sayaka Kimono Full.png, Ren Christmas Full.png, Rika Christmas Full.png, Shizuka First Sunrise Full.png) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:The "Event Files" I mention in the upload summaries are specifically in [https://pi.rika.ren/magica/resource/image_native/effect/story/ this folder of the Magireco File Archive]. Sadly, there's not a lot of these full renders. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:: Thank you.. (╥﹏╥) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 06:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

== Templates category ==

Is there any actual point in [[:Category:Templates]]? If you need a list of all templates on the wiki, [[Special:AllPages]] is clearly better (no need to manually categorize them all). Other template categories are fine, but I don't see the point of that one. (Maybe there ''is'' a point I'm missing? I don't know.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
: Yeah its not ''that'' needed, but I do think it's a bit nicer than [[Special:AllPages]] just because of how Category pages look. I don't see it as redundant, just a tiny bit better alternative (Even if it is kinda annoying to categorize them manually). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:53, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

== Edit Summary ==

It would help a lot if you remembered to fill in the edit summary when you edit. We wouldn't have had to have the recent double revert if the original edi summary had explained why you removed that link, for example. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:33, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
:Yeah I sometimes just think its obvious enough what the edit is for, sorry. Then again please check what the edit actually did before reverting it, cause it was pretty obvious that it linked to the wrong image. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:02, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
::I did. The two images were similar enough that linking them was plausible, so it wasn't as obvious as you thought. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

== Inline Icon ==

It feels like your use of Inline Icon on the enemy info pages doesn't really fit. It's meant for embedding an icon into the flow of text, but that's not what you're doing there. Is there any reason you can't just drop the icon image in directly like <nowiki>[[Image.png|link=Magia Record Items]]</nowiki>? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
: Changed. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:01, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
: Oh yeah, does [[Magia Record Enemy - Symbol Witch Minion IV (Haunting Chairs)|Echo IV]] have any drop items? It seems like it should, but I cant find what it would be. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:07, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Sorry, I have no idea. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

== Progress Reports ==
I'm not good with css, or templates, but I was thinking if we could make a template similar to the progress report at the bottom of [[Timeline]]? I was thinking a way to just list the entries as integrated/finished and non-finished and then have the progress bar automatically update. Perhaps even only using parts of them in the articles they belong (like the Timeline for Null only has the progress report for Null) but Timeline has all of them (as well as additional lists for Retellings and Unknown Placement). I can make the lists and fill them in, but I wondered if it would be possible to make that asset as a template that can be edited, so that it can be universal across pages that use it. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:04, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:What exactly do you mean by "automatically update"? It's a bit vague, and sounds like it could be quite tricky. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:07, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:: I mean the progress bar automatically updates in accordance to what is finised and what is not finished. (Like if the finished list has three elements and the unfinished has two, the progress bar would automatically just calculate to 60%). To also explain the example with Null that I brought up: the template, when its used on pages, can just be edited to which parts are visible and which aren't. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:10, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

: I think maybe with [[Module:ArrayParameter]] it could be possible? To list something you would have to put it in a new parameter, and im pretty sure Array Parameter can count how many parameters there are (if done right obv). Then just do some math to show how much is done in %. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:11, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::So basically you're saying that completion percentage would be based on comparing a "target list" with a "completed list"? It sounds doable, but probably not easy, and likely requires a module to do properly. (Not [[Module:ArrayParameter]], but a dedicated module just for this purpose.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:15, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::: It works right now but is kinda annoying when trying to change not done stuff to done (cause you have to change a lot of numbers). I still dont think its worth its own module, but maybe theres some way to make it count the <code>*</code>s in a parameter and then calculate the progress bar with that? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:26, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

::: You can see my example at [[User:TheresaFrog421/Sandbox#Template]], its messy and looks bad but what counts is that it works. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:27, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:::: Okay I improved it to look like it does on [[Timeline]] (not 1:1 but thats not possible). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:13, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::::: Oh that's perfect! Can we make it so that it's usable for the files? Or at least for [[Timeline]]? I can then populate each entry for each timeline, as well as the Retellings and Unknown Placement like before. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 17:48, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:::::: What do you mean by "files"? The Wishlist? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:52, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

: I do think it's worth its own module. Then you could write it like this:
<pre>{{Progress
|done1=thing
|done2=thing
|notdone3=thing
|done4=thing
|done5=thing
|notdone6=thing
}}</pre>
: The key point there being that done and not done elements share the same numerical sequence, so marking something done is just a matter of deleting "not". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

:: That would already be nicer than the current setup but if the module could just count the amount of bulleted point items it would be even easier, it would look like this:
<pre>{{Progress
|done=
* Thing
* Thing
* Thing
|notdone=
* Thing
}}</pre>
:: I'm not sure just how much a module can actually do so.. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:57, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::It can do pretty much anything, so counting the *'s is certainly possible. I'm not too happy with that idea though. If it's expected to ''always'' be a straight bulleted list without any tree structures, then I think it makes more sense for those *'s to be in the template instead of in the page; whereas if there's any tree structures, or any situation where it wouldn't be a bulleted list, then counting the *'s gives the wrong answer. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:38, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::: I mean yeah but in both scenarios its a bulleted list, I dont really know what other lists it could be, at most one where #s are used, or a tree list, but in both scenarios those can be easily managed no? I mean the #s can be counted with the *s and for a tree structure, if a <code>:*</code> is used instead of <code>**</code>, it shouldn't change anything. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 02:14, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
::::: Still, with your method, the edit to mark something done will show as deleting it from "not done" and adding it to "done", whereas with my method it will show as "changing it from not done to done". It might not make much difference if only one or two are marked done, but if you mark several done all at once I think it would look messier with your method. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::: I think it all depends on how it will look on the page itself really, right now the done and not done are fully separated, which my idea would fit better. But if it looked like:

'''Madoka Magica'''
* Episode 1 (Done)
* Episode 2 (Done)
* Episode 3 (Not done)
* Episode 4 (Not done)
* Episode 5 (Done)
* Episode 6 (Not done)

::::::Then yeah your idea would fit better. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:00, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::Even then I think it would be better if the module just counted the ammount of "(Done)"s and "(Not done)"s. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:52, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

== Enemies ==

I added the enemy list for Please Yuna-san, but I ran into one issue. Sakuya, Ranka, Ao, and Hikaru appear as regular enemies in Waves 1–4 of the Hundred Evils Challenge stage, but they also appear as bosses in Wave 5. In this case, should they be split into separate Boss and non-Boss entries? - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 20:24, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
: Yeah then both should be listed. Also do you have a good source of what enemies appear in what events? I [[User:TheresaFrog421#Enemies to confirm|have a whole list of pages that have missing enemies]] and I predict it will only get bigger. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:28, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:: [https://magireco.moe/] should have information for most Challenge, EX Challenge, and Hundred Evils Challenge stages. However, the site is in Chinese, so it may take some time to translate the information. Also, it seems that the site is no longer being actively maintained, so it may be unstable and sometimes inaccessible. - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 20:49, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:: Also, it seems that the Magical Halloween Theater event was held in a PvP format at the time, so the event itself does not have any enemies. -[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 21:04, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

== Reverting Official But Wrong Translations ==

I can understand wanting to keep the "official" translations but when they're done poorly and incorrect more often than not, we probably want to keep better translations *somewhere*. In the case of Paola there's specifically items missing from the official translation present in the original JP text... that's kinda significant. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 21:59, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
:The nature is missing from the official translation right? Yeah its pretty significant, but I still prefer sticking to the official descriptions. I can get behind putting it in the trivia that the nature is missing from the english text, but outright replacing the official translation is wrong. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:04, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

== User reaching out ==

You like witches? I like witches. Let's talk witches? But where, and how? (excuse me if I mucked up the editing, its been many years.)
[[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]]) 23:08, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

:I don't really know what you mean, but I'm up for discussion ^^. And it would be best just here. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 11:58, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

What do you like most about the witches? Your profile implies you do, since a section asks for more witch content. I also wish more witch lore. Like for example how exactly familiars grow into witches, we are told little about it.
Or how much of the magical girl's soul is 'lost' when turning into a grief seed. It looks to me like the main personality is shed and only the subconscious ego remains as a witch.
You can check my profile for some of my old contributions [[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]])

I honestly like everything, but if I HAD to choose its probably the striking difference between a Magical Girl and a Witch, I mean Sayaka has only 3 colors in her outfit but Oktavia has so many, to me it feels like what the person looks if they werent bound by a human body. About the familiars, I wish we got more proof of familiars growing into Witches ''and being diffrent''. Im pretty sure Sarah Mirabilis W confirms that its been thought of, but other cases in Magia Record just reuse the original Witch's design and that's a bummer _ _". About the Magical Girls' Souls, honestly Ive thought about this too... I prefer to think that its still there, but maybe its permamently damaged/bound, in a way that doesn't let them move on? Like Homulilly, she forever tries to reach a guillotine but she never will, implying that she can't really evolve any further, that's what I mean by being "bound". This would also explain why a Witch cant turn back into a Magical Girl, because while Hope can transform into Despair, Despair cant turn into Hope. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:39, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

I doubt the soul is still whole. When we see Sayaka Soul gem turn grief seed, we see the outer shell breaks and the grief seed inside is already manifesting.
So the hypothesis is this. The impurities are coagulating into the grief seed and when it's too much to bear, the soul sheds parts of itself. The gem breaks, part of the girl's soul and very identity is gone.
Perhaps it's caught by Kyubey in the process and converted into energy. Perhaps it just dissipates. The witch is what remains. The witch is not the girl anymore. It's a remnant of who she was. Like a series of memories but incomplete. Like a fever dream or nightmare.
The evidence is how Oktavia still had a vague Sayaka shape, but it was melting. Homura is the outlier because her soul gem never broke, so she never went into a real witch.
If Hope can turn into Despair, Despair can also turn into hope. But Witches are different because of the soul being an actual thing that can be damaged and destroyed. Not so sure on doppels, but they break the rules anyways. [[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]]) 18:04, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

==Observations==
Please stop removing the observations for characters? I'm grateful you're working on the new info boxes but the observations of traits and analysis are important to analysis of the setting? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 20:37, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
: I just think they're quite useless, yeah they're analyses of behaviour, but a lot of it just seems like thoughts that just don't fit on a wiki, more fitting on a personal page. Plus a lot of stuff there would be better off in other sections, such as behaviour in the Personality section, and stuff about design in the Appearance section. I just don't like those sections for how much they feel like they don't fit into a wiki. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 08:18, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
:: Okay, sure, some of it is better fit for trivia... but that isn't what you're doing. It *is* scholarly analysis. traditional wikis do not do such a thing, but THIS WIKI has a decade plus history of doing so. As such.... Either leaving it, or labeling it similarly to how the Speculation blocks are done that "this isn't fact but is important." is important in my mind. Some of the items I would never have made the connections to otherwise. (For example: Quitterie); Not all of the items in Observations can uniformly be moved into Appearances or Personality. Please. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 15:53, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
::: I mean if you care about them that much, then I'm sure there are others too. I will bring them back, but I still plan on cutting some of the points out, like for Kazumi I dont think there's a point in keeping these:
:::* In Chapter 20, it is stated that Kazumi's cooking is good, just like Michiru, making them closer to their goal of bringing back their Michiru.
:::* Like [[Madoka Kaname|Madoka]], both are friendly, gentle and they want to be helpful to other people, and they were both initially average magical girls who died and became "special" as a result of their friends' actions.
:::That's the main reason I deleted them, but fine I'll bring them all back, then I'll start cutting down stuff I think is unnecesary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:05, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: That would be fine by me. Fluff observations can go, but scholarly, literary, or analytical comparisons, esp. if backed up by staff and/or interviews, should stay in my mind. Thank you. I'll work on some of them later if I have the time. Been very busy as of late... [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 16:15, 1 August 2026 (UTC)

== About the images used by the Magia Record Stats template ==

If I didn’t miss anything, I think I’ve finally renamed all of the Magia Record card images to the Card_(id)_c.png format. I also changed the Magia Record Stats template so that it generates the image filename directly from the ID, and fixed all the pages that were still linking to the old/wrong filenames... 😭

There is one small issue, though: Darc (Final)’s 5★ card image (Card_40285_c.png) is the version with the frame, while the frameless version comes from Magia Exedra and is currently uploaded as Card_40285_c (Exedra).png.

So I’m wondering which would be better: Keep a little flexibility in the template, so that if an image filename is specified manually, it uses that instead of generating one from the ID; or Just keep things simple and replace Card_40285_c.png with the frameless Exedra version?

Also, I noticed that in Magia Exedra’s Archive, Lil' Kyubey’s card image actually includes the character name. Should we consider switching to that version, or should we keep using the current version without the character name? -- [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 18:27, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

<gallery>
File:Card 40285 c.png|Magia Record version
File:Card 40285 c (Exedra).png|Magia Exedra (frameless) version
File:Card 10424 c.png|Lil' Kyubey (no character name)
</gallery>
:Thank you ^^, I think uploading the frameless version as the main one is the better option, and for Lil' Kyubey I think the Exedra versions could be better? I'm not sure though, as the nameless one would be more accurate to Record. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:32, 15 August 2026 (UTC)
::For Lil' Kyuubey I think it makes sense to keep both, as the nameless one is a better fit for the unit page, but the named one could be added to the Exedra gallery. No idea on Darc. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:48, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

:::Okay I uploaded the frameless Final Darc card as a new version of the old one, it should be fine to delete [[:File:Card 40285 c (Exedra).png]]? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:39, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: If the frameless version is going to replace Card_40285_c.png, then I think it should be fine to delete Card_40285_c (Exedra).png as well.
:::: Also, I noticed that Ashley's skill set differs quite a bit between the JP and NA servers. Should we consider creating a separate unit entry for the NA version of Ashley? For now, I've put the differences in her skill set on [[User:Hilbert88#Ashley|my user page]]. --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 17:29, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

::::: I'm worried that it would be annoying to separate them, a lot of things would just be repeated, like the Doppel description and Side Story, I mean I did want to change where they are placed on the wiki but right now they're on the unit pages so... Also separating the JP and NA means all the japanese wouldn't be on the NA page, and would that mean english shouldnt be on the JP page? I feel like it creates problems and we should try to fuse them instead (Im pretty sure Mami also has a tiny NA difference? I remember it from creating the unit pages) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:31, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

:::::: Looking at the differences, they seem to almost all be of the "rebalancing" category and not a fundamental difference in her powerset. (After all, Charm and Bewitch are the same thing, right?) I guess "Guaranteed Ignore Damage Cut" and "Blast MP Gain UP" are new, though. I think I'd prioritize showing the JP skill set, as it can be seen as an evolution from the NA skill set. Since neither game is still up and playable, it doesn't seem worth recording the differences in her NA stats as a separate unit page, though if you really want to do so, I don't mind. (But you could also just add the same table from your user page on the JP unit page.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:45, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

== Regarding Mobage/Online ==

I wonder, why do you think Exedra adapting Mobage/Online is so unlikely that they would be less likely than Null? Null is insanely weird and unusual for PMMM and the 3rd chapter especially is a complete mindfuck. Even I'm not 100% sure what's going on.

Just curious. I really liked reading through your user page.
:As weird as Null Magical Girl is, I think just because its recent it has a bigger chance. To be fair, both Null and Mobage haven't been referenced in any other media so they do kinda have the same chances, but still, I think just because Null is more recent, it has a bigger chance. ALSO another thing that kinda makes me believe Mobage won't ever see the light of day is that every single character design idea they used for the 4 Mobage girls has been reused I mean...
<gallery mode=nolines>
File:Mobage7060.jpg
File:Exedra Live2D 835930.png
File:Mobage7059.jpg
File:Umika PM.png
File:Mobage7058.jpg
File:Alexandra Website.png
File:Mobage7057.jpg
File:Meiyui PM.png
</gallery>

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 09:11, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
:So as much as I want to see them I believe its very unlikely T-T. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:21, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks!

I think that's ''kind of'' a stretch.

Sasa Yuuki isn't even from Record (from Oriko) and mostly just shares the fact that they have a Jester Theme. Alexandra is the only one I think actually looks like a reused design. Meiyui doesn't even use the same weapon.

---

Plus in Null, there's literally ''one'' actual Magical girl and it's not like her design is super great. https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Coeurl

Kyubey-Kosane doesn't really make sense as a unit unless they start adding non-magical girl units.

I guess Homo Magica, even though they are debatably magical girls? I kind of want to see them expanded on. Them interfering with the Lighthouse might be an interesting way to introduce them.

They screwed a lot with the time-stream/different universes in the source material.

---

But yeah in both cases, Exedra is unlikely to get to them until many more years into its life.

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 09:30, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

: You could maybe argue that Coeurl is not powered up in that shot, meaning we've never seen her magical girl outfit. (I don't remember if the novel contradicts this theory.) In any case, I wouldn't really like it if NMG was brought up in Exedra. It's just a bit too weird. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 06:01, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

Ironically I'm kind of the opposite and love it and want to see an expansion of the world (like hard sci-fi like this). But get it- it's divisive for a reason.

Crazy how it's ''technically'' the only spinoff since the end of Tart and the start of Record/Exedra.

== Question. ==

What's 2↑↑5? [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 00:24, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

: I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about??? T-T - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:36, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

:Bruh. This is Math. It's Tetration. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 13:48, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

:: Girl idk how much that is why are you asking me math questions on a wiki ;-;. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:16, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

::: Let me show you. https://www.dcode.fr/knuth-arrows [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 15:06, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

== Counting to 125 in Base 25. ==

This means there's Twenty-Five or Quint Symbols in Base 25.

Zero. One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six. Seven. Eight. Nine. Dess. Ell. Zen. Thise. Zeff. Trick. Tess. Zote. Dine. Ax. Score. Tress. Dell. Flore. Cadex. Ten. Eleven. Twelve. Thirteen. Fourteen. Fifteen. Sixteen. Seventeen. Eighteen. Nineteen. Dessteen. Ellteen. Zenteen. Thiseteen. Zeffteen. Trickteen. Tessteen. Zoteteen. Dineteen. Axteen. Scoreteen. Tress. Dellteen. Floreteen. Cadexteen. Twenty. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 03:34, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

: Forgive me for asking, but why is this being explained or asked? Is it a Symbol Witch thing or a troll? ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:26, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Yeah um... I have no idea. Belankt you can't blame me for thinking you're a troll when this is what you do T_T. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:38, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
::: This is just an extension of Hindu-Arabic numerals. Dess is just an extension. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 14:13, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

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== Interacting with bots ==

Hello! I wanted to inform you that the user you interacted with "What" to was a bot. In the future, I would recommend not interacting with them and to let moderators handle it. Have a good day. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 14:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== Kuro ==

Just letting you know, but くろ and 黒 are not their last names – both are different ways of writing "kuro" in Japanese, so it's just a difference in spelling. Do you still think it's worth including that information on [[Kuro|this page]]? (I'm not trying to say it's not worth it; I'm letting you decide.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 06:17, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
:Honestly yeah, I know there's the little description next to their name but if Magireco added the くろ and 黒 as a way of differentiating them, I don't see why the kuro page shouldn't, and it helps me identify them quicker. (Also i got the idea of it being a last name because of [[Kuro (くろ)|Kuro's (くろ)]] etymology section where it calls it that) --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
::I mean, sure, it is technically their last name. "Kuro" is presumed to be their surname, not their given name. But your phrasing seemed to imply you were thinking of "Kuro" as the first name and the Japanese characters as the surname, which is not the case. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:34, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Deletion requests ==

Please don't blank the page when requesting for it to be deleted. Just add the deletion requests category. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:27, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:If you're talking about ''Magia Exedra Story Transcripts/Magia Record Main Story - Rumor of the Anonymous AI/Portrait Story'' then I wasn't the one who deleted the content, it was EPF (they created and edited the page so I can't blame them) I only added the deletion request category (I guess I can't prove it since the page is gone). The only proof are [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable & Mami's Heart-Pounding Tiro Finale Grief Seeds]] and [[Minor Oriko Witches]] still having their content (I "moved" them to [[Madoka Magica Grief Seeds]] and [[Oriko Magica Witches]] respectively) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:05, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

== Memory Windows ==

It seems you missed the Symbol Witch and the Mirror Witch? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:Yeah I'm not the one who extracted them out of the files so I can't really find them on my own. I was hoping to get them through EPF's google drive but it seems like theyre not updating it currently so I got them from the Exedra wiki. They dont have the symbol, mirror and two forms of stagecraft window. I'm REALLY not good with any file extracting so I'm sorry that I can't look for them myself. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, that's fair. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Rumor of Walpurgisnacht ==

<blockquote>"I need help, I wanted to change the walpurgisnacht rumor to the eng dub one but I genuinely CANNOT hear what uwasasan is saying in some parts T_T"</blockquote>
Are you not using closed captions (cc)? It should help you. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 00:15, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:The only ones I can use are the translated ones, when I want to upload the official english rumor. If you or anyone else has the real english cc it would help T_T. --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

== Gallery moves!? ==

Wait, why are all the gallery pages being moved? We already went to the trouble of making Gallery: be a proper namespace. What's the problem with having the galleries in their own namespace? Is there some reason why they absolutely have to be subpages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:At first I saw Amaterasu doing it, and since I was changing [[Template:Navbox Anime Gallery]] I decided to just go with it and start moving them. Tbh I shouldn't bring Amaterasu into this but since they're way longer on this wiki and their changes were just left unquestioned I assumed everyone was okay with them, and I wanted to help ཀ ʖ̯ ཀ. I can still change them back even if it takes time but please while you're here delete the redirects I put in [[:Category:Deletion requests|deletion requests]], they're extremely unnecessary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:35, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::The use of subpages is more efficient, in my view. It allows you to quickly link back to the main page, and I think it's better than simply using "Gallery:", since it also makes it clear that it isn't a new page, simply a part of the page. I probably didn't explain this well, I just woke up. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:42, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

:::Yeah, I agree with gallery subpages too. Another bonus is searchability - you have to preface everything with Gallery: if you wanna search for pages in that namespace, they don't appear otherwise. Which kinda sucks. However I'm also pretty sure we're using some cursed old search extension. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:16, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

::::Though, you could also argue that not appearing in searches is a ''good'' thing. Someone searching is more likely to want the article than the gallery. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:01, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

== CSS ==

Regarding [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Witch_Card&diff=next&oldid=193460 this edit]: I'm not sure what you were going for, but you misspelled "margin-top". It has a hyphen in it, not an underscore. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:27, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
:Tried checking it again and it still doesn't work, on some pages the name box appears on the same position as the witch display but on others (like [[Minor Magia Record Witches and Doppels]]) its a little bit lower, it might be some other part of the code though. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:32, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

== Tabbers ==

I noticed you're experimenting with the new <nowiki><tabber></nowiki> tag that was recently installed. Please be sure to watch out for pages that link to specific tabs, as the fragment (the part after <code>#</code>) completely changes with the new system. So, just changing a page to use the new tabs instead of the old potentially breaks links silently with no warning at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:25, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
:Okay, I'll check if the Iroha edit I made broke any links, for now Im focusing on making empty Exedra Event pages but I'll remember it - thanks! - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 04:28, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

== Star ==

Why are you changing the star? The memoria cards clearly use eight-pointed stars, not five-pointed stars. That's why I used an eight-pointed star in the category names. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]])
:On my laptop the star was a blank box (🟎) Idk if Safari doesnt understand that symbol but it just looked broken. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:01, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
:I checked and it just doesn't work on Safari, even if its made with html (🟎). Ive found ones that work, ✵ and ✴ (there are other eight-pointed stars but only these are rotated correctly), I prefer the first one. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:20, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
::So basically it's an issue of you don't have a font with that character. Of the two stars you found that ''do'' work though, I think the second is actually more suitable. The first is "eight-pointed pinwheel star", and it's not solid black unlike the other two. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:59, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

== Enemy elements ==

Do you have a specific order that you think the elements should be shown in for the "enemies" section on the memory window pages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:18, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:They appear in that order in the suggested element section before a fight and the fight itself. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:22, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::So you haven't really checked if the order is always the same then. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:24, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I mean?? I never saw them appear in any other order, so I do just assume that it stays the same. If that's not the case then yeah it should be changed. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::I looked through them a bit. It looks like the game is always listing them in the same order that they appear in the upgrade/crystalis quest lists. At least, I didn't see any that contradicted that order. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:39, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::Okay that's good, also while you're here what do we do with the Scene 0 enemies? From what I got its a lot of enemies from other quests, but Im worried its gonna be almost too many of them. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::I guess the first step would be collating an actual list of the enemies used in Scene 0. Only then can we decide whether it seems like "too many". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:13, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I watched someone play the standard version and this is the list, but I'm pretty sure on Battler and Nightmare there are more unique enemies. Also they all have Aqua Forest and Light weaknesses. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::#Gertrud
::::::#Anthony
::::::#Adelbert
::::::#Ulla
::::::#Charlotte
::::::#Pyotr
::::::#H.N. Elly
::::::#Danniyel & Jennifer
::::::#Anja
::::::#Elsa Maria
::::::#Sebastian's
::::::#Bartels
::::::#Oktavia
::::::#Patricia
::::::#Roberta

== Ponta ==

Thank you! You totally anticipated what I was about to ask for with that gallery edit. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:26, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

==Full Photos==

May I ask where the recent Full photos came from? I really want to see if there's other ones, especially of ones I like :) I'm referring to these (Sayaka Kimono Full 2.png, Sayaka Kimono Full.png, Ren Christmas Full.png, Rika Christmas Full.png, Shizuka First Sunrise Full.png) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:The "Event Files" I mention in the upload summaries are specifically in [https://pi.rika.ren/magica/resource/image_native/effect/story/ this folder of the Magireco File Archive]. Sadly, there's not a lot of these full renders. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:: Thank you.. (╥﹏╥) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 06:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

== Templates category ==

Is there any actual point in [[:Category:Templates]]? If you need a list of all templates on the wiki, [[Special:AllPages]] is clearly better (no need to manually categorize them all). Other template categories are fine, but I don't see the point of that one. (Maybe there ''is'' a point I'm missing? I don't know.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
: Yeah its not ''that'' needed, but I do think it's a bit nicer than [[Special:AllPages]] just because of how Category pages look. I don't see it as redundant, just a tiny bit better alternative (Even if it is kinda annoying to categorize them manually). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:53, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

== Edit Summary ==

It would help a lot if you remembered to fill in the edit summary when you edit. We wouldn't have had to have the recent double revert if the original edi summary had explained why you removed that link, for example. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:33, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
:Yeah I sometimes just think its obvious enough what the edit is for, sorry. Then again please check what the edit actually did before reverting it, cause it was pretty obvious that it linked to the wrong image. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:02, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
::I did. The two images were similar enough that linking them was plausible, so it wasn't as obvious as you thought. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

== Inline Icon ==

It feels like your use of Inline Icon on the enemy info pages doesn't really fit. It's meant for embedding an icon into the flow of text, but that's not what you're doing there. Is there any reason you can't just drop the icon image in directly like <nowiki>[[Image.png|link=Magia Record Items]]</nowiki>? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
: Changed. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:01, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
: Oh yeah, does [[Magia Record Enemy - Symbol Witch Minion IV (Haunting Chairs)|Echo IV]] have any drop items? It seems like it should, but I cant find what it would be. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:07, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Sorry, I have no idea. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

== Progress Reports ==
I'm not good with css, or templates, but I was thinking if we could make a template similar to the progress report at the bottom of [[Timeline]]? I was thinking a way to just list the entries as integrated/finished and non-finished and then have the progress bar automatically update. Perhaps even only using parts of them in the articles they belong (like the Timeline for Null only has the progress report for Null) but Timeline has all of them (as well as additional lists for Retellings and Unknown Placement). I can make the lists and fill them in, but I wondered if it would be possible to make that asset as a template that can be edited, so that it can be universal across pages that use it. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:04, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:What exactly do you mean by "automatically update"? It's a bit vague, and sounds like it could be quite tricky. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:07, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:: I mean the progress bar automatically updates in accordance to what is finised and what is not finished. (Like if the finished list has three elements and the unfinished has two, the progress bar would automatically just calculate to 60%). To also explain the example with Null that I brought up: the template, when its used on pages, can just be edited to which parts are visible and which aren't. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:10, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

: I think maybe with [[Module:ArrayParameter]] it could be possible? To list something you would have to put it in a new parameter, and im pretty sure Array Parameter can count how many parameters there are (if done right obv). Then just do some math to show how much is done in %. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:11, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::So basically you're saying that completion percentage would be based on comparing a "target list" with a "completed list"? It sounds doable, but probably not easy, and likely requires a module to do properly. (Not [[Module:ArrayParameter]], but a dedicated module just for this purpose.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:15, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::: It works right now but is kinda annoying when trying to change not done stuff to done (cause you have to change a lot of numbers). I still dont think its worth its own module, but maybe theres some way to make it count the <code>*</code>s in a parameter and then calculate the progress bar with that? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:26, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

::: You can see my example at [[User:TheresaFrog421/Sandbox#Template]], its messy and looks bad but what counts is that it works. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:27, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:::: Okay I improved it to look like it does on [[Timeline]] (not 1:1 but thats not possible). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:13, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::::: Oh that's perfect! Can we make it so that it's usable for the files? Or at least for [[Timeline]]? I can then populate each entry for each timeline, as well as the Retellings and Unknown Placement like before. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 17:48, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:::::: What do you mean by "files"? The Wishlist? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:52, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

: I do think it's worth its own module. Then you could write it like this:
<pre>{{Progress
|done1=thing
|done2=thing
|notdone3=thing
|done4=thing
|done5=thing
|notdone6=thing
}}</pre>
: The key point there being that done and not done elements share the same numerical sequence, so marking something done is just a matter of deleting "not". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

:: That would already be nicer than the current setup but if the module could just count the amount of bulleted point items it would be even easier, it would look like this:
<pre>{{Progress
|done=
* Thing
* Thing
* Thing
|notdone=
* Thing
}}</pre>
:: I'm not sure just how much a module can actually do so.. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:57, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::It can do pretty much anything, so counting the *'s is certainly possible. I'm not too happy with that idea though. If it's expected to ''always'' be a straight bulleted list without any tree structures, then I think it makes more sense for those *'s to be in the template instead of in the page; whereas if there's any tree structures, or any situation where it wouldn't be a bulleted list, then counting the *'s gives the wrong answer. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:38, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::: I mean yeah but in both scenarios its a bulleted list, I dont really know what other lists it could be, at most one where #s are used, or a tree list, but in both scenarios those can be easily managed no? I mean the #s can be counted with the *s and for a tree structure, if a <code>:*</code> is used instead of <code>**</code>, it shouldn't change anything. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 02:14, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
::::: Still, with your method, the edit to mark something done will show as deleting it from "not done" and adding it to "done", whereas with my method it will show as "changing it from not done to done". It might not make much difference if only one or two are marked done, but if you mark several done all at once I think it would look messier with your method. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::: I think it all depends on how it will look on the page itself really, right now the done and not done are fully separated, which my idea would fit better. But if it looked like:

'''Madoka Magica'''
* Episode 1 (Done)
* Episode 2 (Done)
* Episode 3 (Not done)
* Episode 4 (Not done)
* Episode 5 (Done)
* Episode 6 (Not done)

::::::Then yeah your idea would fit better. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:00, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::Even then I think it would be better if the module just counted the ammount of "(Done)"s and "(Not done)"s. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:52, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

== Enemies ==

I added the enemy list for Please Yuna-san, but I ran into one issue. Sakuya, Ranka, Ao, and Hikaru appear as regular enemies in Waves 1–4 of the Hundred Evils Challenge stage, but they also appear as bosses in Wave 5. In this case, should they be split into separate Boss and non-Boss entries? - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 20:24, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
: Yeah then both should be listed. Also do you have a good source of what enemies appear in what events? I [[User:TheresaFrog421#Enemies to confirm|have a whole list of pages that have missing enemies]] and I predict it will only get bigger. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:28, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:: [https://magireco.moe/] should have information for most Challenge, EX Challenge, and Hundred Evils Challenge stages. However, the site is in Chinese, so it may take some time to translate the information. Also, it seems that the site is no longer being actively maintained, so it may be unstable and sometimes inaccessible. - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 20:49, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:: Also, it seems that the Magical Halloween Theater event was held in a PvP format at the time, so the event itself does not have any enemies. -[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 21:04, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

== Reverting Official But Wrong Translations ==

I can understand wanting to keep the "official" translations but when they're done poorly and incorrect more often than not, we probably want to keep better translations *somewhere*. In the case of Paola there's specifically items missing from the official translation present in the original JP text... that's kinda significant. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 21:59, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
:The nature is missing from the official translation right? Yeah its pretty significant, but I still prefer sticking to the official descriptions. I can get behind putting it in the trivia that the nature is missing from the english text, but outright replacing the official translation is wrong. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:04, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

== User reaching out ==

You like witches? I like witches. Let's talk witches? But where, and how? (excuse me if I mucked up the editing, its been many years.)
[[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]]) 23:08, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

:I don't really know what you mean, but I'm up for discussion ^^. And it would be best just here. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 11:58, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

What do you like most about the witches? Your profile implies you do, since a section asks for more witch content. I also wish more witch lore. Like for example how exactly familiars grow into witches, we are told little about it.
Or how much of the magical girl's soul is 'lost' when turning into a grief seed. It looks to me like the main personality is shed and only the subconscious ego remains as a witch.
You can check my profile for some of my old contributions [[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]])

I honestly like everything, but if I HAD to choose its probably the striking difference between a Magical Girl and a Witch, I mean Sayaka has only 3 colors in her outfit but Oktavia has so many, to me it feels like what the person looks if they werent bound by a human body. About the familiars, I wish we got more proof of familiars growing into Witches ''and being diffrent''. Im pretty sure Sarah Mirabilis W confirms that its been thought of, but other cases in Magia Record just reuse the original Witch's design and that's a bummer _ _". About the Magical Girls' Souls, honestly Ive thought about this too... I prefer to think that its still there, but maybe its permamently damaged/bound, in a way that doesn't let them move on? Like Homulilly, she forever tries to reach a guillotine but she never will, implying that she can't really evolve any further, that's what I mean by being "bound". This would also explain why a Witch cant turn back into a Magical Girl, because while Hope can transform into Despair, Despair cant turn into Hope. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:39, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

I doubt the soul is still whole. When we see Sayaka Soul gem turn grief seed, we see the outer shell breaks and the grief seed inside is already manifesting.
So the hypothesis is this. The impurities are coagulating into the grief seed and when it's too much to bear, the soul sheds parts of itself. The gem breaks, part of the girl's soul and very identity is gone.
Perhaps it's caught by Kyubey in the process and converted into energy. Perhaps it just dissipates. The witch is what remains. The witch is not the girl anymore. It's a remnant of who she was. Like a series of memories but incomplete. Like a fever dream or nightmare.
The evidence is how Oktavia still had a vague Sayaka shape, but it was melting. Homura is the outlier because her soul gem never broke, so she never went into a real witch.
If Hope can turn into Despair, Despair can also turn into hope. But Witches are different because of the soul being an actual thing that can be damaged and destroyed. Not so sure on doppels, but they break the rules anyways. [[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]]) 18:04, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

==Observations==
Please stop removing the observations for characters? I'm grateful you're working on the new info boxes but the observations of traits and analysis are important to analysis of the setting? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 20:37, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
: I just think they're quite useless, yeah they're analyses of behaviour, but a lot of it just seems like thoughts that just don't fit on a wiki, more fitting on a personal page. Plus a lot of stuff there would be better off in other sections, such as behaviour in the Personality section, and stuff about design in the Appearance section. I just don't like those sections for how much they feel like they don't fit into a wiki. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 08:18, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
:: Okay, sure, some of it is better fit for trivia... but that isn't what you're doing. It *is* scholarly analysis. traditional wikis do not do such a thing, but THIS WIKI has a decade plus history of doing so. As such.... Either leaving it, or labeling it similarly to how the Speculation blocks are done that "this isn't fact but is important." is important in my mind. Some of the items I would never have made the connections to otherwise. (For example: Quitterie); Not all of the items in Observations can uniformly be moved into Appearances or Personality. Please. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 15:53, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
::: I mean if you care about them that much, then I'm sure there are others too. I will bring them back, but I still plan on cutting some of the points out, like for Kazumi I dont think there's a point in keeping these:
:::* In Chapter 20, it is stated that Kazumi's cooking is good, just like Michiru, making them closer to their goal of bringing back their Michiru.
:::* Like [[Madoka Kaname|Madoka]], both are friendly, gentle and they want to be helpful to other people, and they were both initially average magical girls who died and became "special" as a result of their friends' actions.
:::That's the main reason I deleted them, but fine I'll bring them all back, then I'll start cutting down stuff I think is unnecesary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:05, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: That would be fine by me. Fluff observations can go, but scholarly, literary, or analytical comparisons, esp. if backed up by staff and/or interviews, should stay in my mind. Thank you. I'll work on some of them later if I have the time. Been very busy as of late... [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 16:15, 1 August 2026 (UTC)

== About the images used by the Magia Record Stats template ==

If I didn’t miss anything, I think I’ve finally renamed all of the Magia Record card images to the Card_(id)_c.png format. I also changed the Magia Record Stats template so that it generates the image filename directly from the ID, and fixed all the pages that were still linking to the old/wrong filenames... 😭

There is one small issue, though: Darc (Final)’s 5★ card image (Card_40285_c.png) is the version with the frame, while the frameless version comes from Magia Exedra and is currently uploaded as Card_40285_c (Exedra).png.

So I’m wondering which would be better: Keep a little flexibility in the template, so that if an image filename is specified manually, it uses that instead of generating one from the ID; or Just keep things simple and replace Card_40285_c.png with the frameless Exedra version?

Also, I noticed that in Magia Exedra’s Archive, Lil' Kyubey’s card image actually includes the character name. Should we consider switching to that version, or should we keep using the current version without the character name? -- [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 18:27, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

<gallery>
File:Card 40285 c.png|Magia Record version
File:Card 40285 c (Exedra).png|Magia Exedra (frameless) version
File:Card 10424 c.png|Lil' Kyubey (no character name)
</gallery>
:Thank you ^^, I think uploading the frameless version as the main one is the better option, and for Lil' Kyubey I think the Exedra versions could be better? I'm not sure though, as the nameless one would be more accurate to Record. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:32, 15 August 2026 (UTC)
::For Lil' Kyuubey I think it makes sense to keep both, as the nameless one is a better fit for the unit page, but the named one could be added to the Exedra gallery. No idea on Darc. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:48, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

:::Okay I uploaded the frameless Final Darc card as a new version of the old one, it should be fine to delete [[:File:Card 40285 c (Exedra).png]]? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:39, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: If the frameless version is going to replace Card_40285_c.png, then I think it should be fine to delete Card_40285_c (Exedra).png as well.
:::: Also, I noticed that Ashley's skill set differs quite a bit between the JP and NA servers. Should we consider creating a separate unit entry for the NA version of Ashley? For now, I've put the differences in her skill set on [[User:Hilbert88#Ashley|my user page]]. --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 17:29, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

::::: I'm worried that it would be annoying to separate them, a lot of things would just be repeated, like the Doppel description and Side Story, I mean I did want to change where they are placed on the wiki but right now they're on the unit pages so... Also separating the JP and NA means all the japanese wouldn't be on the NA page, and would that mean english shouldnt be on the JP page? I feel like it creates problems and we should try to fuse them instead (Im pretty sure Mami also has a tiny NA difference? I remember it from creating the unit pages) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:31, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

:::::: Looking at the differences, they seem to almost all be of the "rebalancing" category and not a fundamental difference in her powerset. (After all, Charm and Bewitch are the same thing, right?) I guess "Guaranteed Ignore Damage Cut" and "Blast MP Gain UP" are new, though. I think I'd prioritize showing the JP skill set, as it can be seen as an evolution from the NA skill set. Since neither game is still up and playable, it doesn't seem worth recording the differences in her NA stats as a separate unit page, though if you really want to do so, I don't mind. (But you could also just add the same table from your user page on the JP unit page.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:45, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

== Regarding Mobage/Online ==

I wonder, why do you think Exedra adapting Mobage/Online is so unlikely that they would be less likely than Null? Null is insanely weird and unusual for PMMM and the 3rd chapter especially is a complete mindfuck. Even I'm not 100% sure what's going on.

Just curious. I really liked reading through your user page.
:As weird as Null Magical Girl is, I think just because its recent it has a bigger chance. To be fair, both Null and Mobage haven't been referenced in any other media so they do kinda have the same chances, but still, I think just because Null is more recent, it has a bigger chance. ALSO another thing that kinda makes me believe Mobage won't ever see the light of day is that every single character design idea they used for the 4 Mobage girls has been reused I mean...
<gallery mode=nolines>
File:Mobage7060.jpg
File:Exedra Live2D 835930.png
File:Mobage7059.jpg
File:Umika PM.png
File:Mobage7058.jpg
File:Alexandra Website.png
File:Mobage7057.jpg
File:Meiyui PM.png
</gallery>

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 09:11, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
:So as much as I want to see them I believe its very unlikely T-T. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:21, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks!

I think that's ''kind of'' a stretch.

Sasa Yuuki isn't even from Record (from Oriko) and mostly just shares the fact that they have a Jester Theme. Alexandra is the only one I think actually looks like a reused design. Meiyui doesn't even use the same weapon.

---

Plus in Null, there's literally ''one'' actual Magical girl and it's not like her design is super great. https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Coeurl

Kyubey-Kosane doesn't really make sense as a unit unless they start adding non-magical girl units.

I guess Homo Magica, even though they are debatably magical girls? I kind of want to see them expanded on. Them interfering with the Lighthouse might be an interesting way to introduce them.

They screwed a lot with the time-stream/different universes in the source material.

---

But yeah in both cases, Exedra is unlikely to get to them until many more years into its life.

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 09:30, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

: You could maybe argue that Coeurl is not powered up in that shot, meaning we've never seen her magical girl outfit. (I don't remember if the novel contradicts this theory.) In any case, I wouldn't really like it if NMG was brought up in Exedra. It's just a bit too weird. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 06:01, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

Ironically I'm kind of the opposite and love it and want to see an expansion of the world (like hard sci-fi like this). But get it- it's divisive for a reason.

Crazy how it's ''technically'' the only spinoff since the end of Tart and the start of Record/Exedra.

== Question. ==

What's 2↑↑5? [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 00:24, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

: I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about??? T-T - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:36, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

:Bruh. This is Math. It's Tetration. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 13:48, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

:: Girl idk how much that is why are you asking me math questions on a wiki ;-;. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:16, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

::: Let me show you. https://www.dcode.fr/knuth-arrows [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 15:06, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

== Counting to 125 in Base 25. ==

This means there's Twenty-Five or Quint Symbols in Base 25.

Zero. One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six. Seven. Eight. Nine. Dess. Ell. Zen. Thise. Zeff. Trick. Tess. Zote. Dine. Ax. Score. Tress. Dell. Flore. Cadex. Ten. Eleven. Twelve. Thirteen. Fourteen. Fifteen. Sixteen. Seventeen. Eighteen. Nineteen. Dessteen. Ellteen. Zenteen. Thiseteen. Zeffteen. Trickteen. Tessteen. Zoteteen. Dineteen. Axteen. Scoreteen. Tress. Dellteen. Floreteen. Cadexteen. Twenty. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 03:34, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

: Forgive me for asking, but why is this being explained or asked? Is it a Symbol Witch thing or a troll? ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:26, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Yeah um... I have no idea. Belankt you can't blame me for thinking you're a troll when this is what you do T_T. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:38, 9 September 2026 (UTC)
::: This is just an extension of Hindu-Arabic numerals. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 14:13, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

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== Interacting with bots ==

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== Kuro ==

Just letting you know, but くろ and 黒 are not their last names – both are different ways of writing "kuro" in Japanese, so it's just a difference in spelling. Do you still think it's worth including that information on [[Kuro|this page]]? (I'm not trying to say it's not worth it; I'm letting you decide.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 06:17, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
:Honestly yeah, I know there's the little description next to their name but if Magireco added the くろ and 黒 as a way of differentiating them, I don't see why the kuro page shouldn't, and it helps me identify them quicker. (Also i got the idea of it being a last name because of [[Kuro (くろ)|Kuro's (くろ)]] etymology section where it calls it that) --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
::I mean, sure, it is technically their last name. "Kuro" is presumed to be their surname, not their given name. But your phrasing seemed to imply you were thinking of "Kuro" as the first name and the Japanese characters as the surname, which is not the case. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:34, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Deletion requests ==

Please don't blank the page when requesting for it to be deleted. Just add the deletion requests category. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:27, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:If you're talking about ''Magia Exedra Story Transcripts/Magia Record Main Story - Rumor of the Anonymous AI/Portrait Story'' then I wasn't the one who deleted the content, it was EPF (they created and edited the page so I can't blame them) I only added the deletion request category (I guess I can't prove it since the page is gone). The only proof are [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable & Mami's Heart-Pounding Tiro Finale Grief Seeds]] and [[Minor Oriko Witches]] still having their content (I "moved" them to [[Madoka Magica Grief Seeds]] and [[Oriko Magica Witches]] respectively) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:05, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

== Memory Windows ==

It seems you missed the Symbol Witch and the Mirror Witch? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:Yeah I'm not the one who extracted them out of the files so I can't really find them on my own. I was hoping to get them through EPF's google drive but it seems like theyre not updating it currently so I got them from the Exedra wiki. They dont have the symbol, mirror and two forms of stagecraft window. I'm REALLY not good with any file extracting so I'm sorry that I can't look for them myself. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, that's fair. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Rumor of Walpurgisnacht ==

<blockquote>"I need help, I wanted to change the walpurgisnacht rumor to the eng dub one but I genuinely CANNOT hear what uwasasan is saying in some parts T_T"</blockquote>
Are you not using closed captions (cc)? It should help you. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 00:15, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:The only ones I can use are the translated ones, when I want to upload the official english rumor. If you or anyone else has the real english cc it would help T_T. --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

== Gallery moves!? ==

Wait, why are all the gallery pages being moved? We already went to the trouble of making Gallery: be a proper namespace. What's the problem with having the galleries in their own namespace? Is there some reason why they absolutely have to be subpages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:At first I saw Amaterasu doing it, and since I was changing [[Template:Navbox Anime Gallery]] I decided to just go with it and start moving them. Tbh I shouldn't bring Amaterasu into this but since they're way longer on this wiki and their changes were just left unquestioned I assumed everyone was okay with them, and I wanted to help ཀ ʖ̯ ཀ. I can still change them back even if it takes time but please while you're here delete the redirects I put in [[:Category:Deletion requests|deletion requests]], they're extremely unnecessary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:35, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::The use of subpages is more efficient, in my view. It allows you to quickly link back to the main page, and I think it's better than simply using "Gallery:", since it also makes it clear that it isn't a new page, simply a part of the page. I probably didn't explain this well, I just woke up. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:42, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

:::Yeah, I agree with gallery subpages too. Another bonus is searchability - you have to preface everything with Gallery: if you wanna search for pages in that namespace, they don't appear otherwise. Which kinda sucks. However I'm also pretty sure we're using some cursed old search extension. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:16, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

::::Though, you could also argue that not appearing in searches is a ''good'' thing. Someone searching is more likely to want the article than the gallery. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:01, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

== CSS ==

Regarding [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Witch_Card&diff=next&oldid=193460 this edit]: I'm not sure what you were going for, but you misspelled "margin-top". It has a hyphen in it, not an underscore. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:27, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
:Tried checking it again and it still doesn't work, on some pages the name box appears on the same position as the witch display but on others (like [[Minor Magia Record Witches and Doppels]]) its a little bit lower, it might be some other part of the code though. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:32, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

== Tabbers ==

I noticed you're experimenting with the new <nowiki><tabber></nowiki> tag that was recently installed. Please be sure to watch out for pages that link to specific tabs, as the fragment (the part after <code>#</code>) completely changes with the new system. So, just changing a page to use the new tabs instead of the old potentially breaks links silently with no warning at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:25, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
:Okay, I'll check if the Iroha edit I made broke any links, for now Im focusing on making empty Exedra Event pages but I'll remember it - thanks! - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 04:28, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

== Star ==

Why are you changing the star? The memoria cards clearly use eight-pointed stars, not five-pointed stars. That's why I used an eight-pointed star in the category names. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]])
:On my laptop the star was a blank box (🟎) Idk if Safari doesnt understand that symbol but it just looked broken. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:01, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
:I checked and it just doesn't work on Safari, even if its made with html (🟎). Ive found ones that work, ✵ and ✴ (there are other eight-pointed stars but only these are rotated correctly), I prefer the first one. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:20, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
::So basically it's an issue of you don't have a font with that character. Of the two stars you found that ''do'' work though, I think the second is actually more suitable. The first is "eight-pointed pinwheel star", and it's not solid black unlike the other two. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:59, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

== Enemy elements ==

Do you have a specific order that you think the elements should be shown in for the "enemies" section on the memory window pages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:18, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:They appear in that order in the suggested element section before a fight and the fight itself. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:22, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::So you haven't really checked if the order is always the same then. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:24, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I mean?? I never saw them appear in any other order, so I do just assume that it stays the same. If that's not the case then yeah it should be changed. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::I looked through them a bit. It looks like the game is always listing them in the same order that they appear in the upgrade/crystalis quest lists. At least, I didn't see any that contradicted that order. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:39, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::Okay that's good, also while you're here what do we do with the Scene 0 enemies? From what I got its a lot of enemies from other quests, but Im worried its gonna be almost too many of them. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::I guess the first step would be collating an actual list of the enemies used in Scene 0. Only then can we decide whether it seems like "too many". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:13, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I watched someone play the standard version and this is the list, but I'm pretty sure on Battler and Nightmare there are more unique enemies. Also they all have Aqua Forest and Light weaknesses. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::#Gertrud
::::::#Anthony
::::::#Adelbert
::::::#Ulla
::::::#Charlotte
::::::#Pyotr
::::::#H.N. Elly
::::::#Danniyel & Jennifer
::::::#Anja
::::::#Elsa Maria
::::::#Sebastian's
::::::#Bartels
::::::#Oktavia
::::::#Patricia
::::::#Roberta

== Ponta ==

Thank you! You totally anticipated what I was about to ask for with that gallery edit. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:26, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

==Full Photos==

May I ask where the recent Full photos came from? I really want to see if there's other ones, especially of ones I like :) I'm referring to these (Sayaka Kimono Full 2.png, Sayaka Kimono Full.png, Ren Christmas Full.png, Rika Christmas Full.png, Shizuka First Sunrise Full.png) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:The "Event Files" I mention in the upload summaries are specifically in [https://pi.rika.ren/magica/resource/image_native/effect/story/ this folder of the Magireco File Archive]. Sadly, there's not a lot of these full renders. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:: Thank you.. (╥﹏╥) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 06:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

== Templates category ==

Is there any actual point in [[:Category:Templates]]? If you need a list of all templates on the wiki, [[Special:AllPages]] is clearly better (no need to manually categorize them all). Other template categories are fine, but I don't see the point of that one. (Maybe there ''is'' a point I'm missing? I don't know.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
: Yeah its not ''that'' needed, but I do think it's a bit nicer than [[Special:AllPages]] just because of how Category pages look. I don't see it as redundant, just a tiny bit better alternative (Even if it is kinda annoying to categorize them manually). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:53, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

== Edit Summary ==

It would help a lot if you remembered to fill in the edit summary when you edit. We wouldn't have had to have the recent double revert if the original edi summary had explained why you removed that link, for example. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:33, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
:Yeah I sometimes just think its obvious enough what the edit is for, sorry. Then again please check what the edit actually did before reverting it, cause it was pretty obvious that it linked to the wrong image. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:02, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
::I did. The two images were similar enough that linking them was plausible, so it wasn't as obvious as you thought. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

== Inline Icon ==

It feels like your use of Inline Icon on the enemy info pages doesn't really fit. It's meant for embedding an icon into the flow of text, but that's not what you're doing there. Is there any reason you can't just drop the icon image in directly like <nowiki>[[Image.png|link=Magia Record Items]]</nowiki>? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
: Changed. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:01, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
: Oh yeah, does [[Magia Record Enemy - Symbol Witch Minion IV (Haunting Chairs)|Echo IV]] have any drop items? It seems like it should, but I cant find what it would be. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:07, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Sorry, I have no idea. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

== Progress Reports ==
I'm not good with css, or templates, but I was thinking if we could make a template similar to the progress report at the bottom of [[Timeline]]? I was thinking a way to just list the entries as integrated/finished and non-finished and then have the progress bar automatically update. Perhaps even only using parts of them in the articles they belong (like the Timeline for Null only has the progress report for Null) but Timeline has all of them (as well as additional lists for Retellings and Unknown Placement). I can make the lists and fill them in, but I wondered if it would be possible to make that asset as a template that can be edited, so that it can be universal across pages that use it. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:04, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:What exactly do you mean by "automatically update"? It's a bit vague, and sounds like it could be quite tricky. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:07, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:: I mean the progress bar automatically updates in accordance to what is finised and what is not finished. (Like if the finished list has three elements and the unfinished has two, the progress bar would automatically just calculate to 60%). To also explain the example with Null that I brought up: the template, when its used on pages, can just be edited to which parts are visible and which aren't. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:10, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

: I think maybe with [[Module:ArrayParameter]] it could be possible? To list something you would have to put it in a new parameter, and im pretty sure Array Parameter can count how many parameters there are (if done right obv). Then just do some math to show how much is done in %. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:11, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::So basically you're saying that completion percentage would be based on comparing a "target list" with a "completed list"? It sounds doable, but probably not easy, and likely requires a module to do properly. (Not [[Module:ArrayParameter]], but a dedicated module just for this purpose.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:15, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::: It works right now but is kinda annoying when trying to change not done stuff to done (cause you have to change a lot of numbers). I still dont think its worth its own module, but maybe theres some way to make it count the <code>*</code>s in a parameter and then calculate the progress bar with that? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:26, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

::: You can see my example at [[User:TheresaFrog421/Sandbox#Template]], its messy and looks bad but what counts is that it works. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:27, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:::: Okay I improved it to look like it does on [[Timeline]] (not 1:1 but thats not possible). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:13, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::::: Oh that's perfect! Can we make it so that it's usable for the files? Or at least for [[Timeline]]? I can then populate each entry for each timeline, as well as the Retellings and Unknown Placement like before. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 17:48, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:::::: What do you mean by "files"? The Wishlist? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:52, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

: I do think it's worth its own module. Then you could write it like this:
<pre>{{Progress
|done1=thing
|done2=thing
|notdone3=thing
|done4=thing
|done5=thing
|notdone6=thing
}}</pre>
: The key point there being that done and not done elements share the same numerical sequence, so marking something done is just a matter of deleting "not". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

:: That would already be nicer than the current setup but if the module could just count the amount of bulleted point items it would be even easier, it would look like this:
<pre>{{Progress
|done=
* Thing
* Thing
* Thing
|notdone=
* Thing
}}</pre>
:: I'm not sure just how much a module can actually do so.. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:57, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::It can do pretty much anything, so counting the *'s is certainly possible. I'm not too happy with that idea though. If it's expected to ''always'' be a straight bulleted list without any tree structures, then I think it makes more sense for those *'s to be in the template instead of in the page; whereas if there's any tree structures, or any situation where it wouldn't be a bulleted list, then counting the *'s gives the wrong answer. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:38, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::: I mean yeah but in both scenarios its a bulleted list, I dont really know what other lists it could be, at most one where #s are used, or a tree list, but in both scenarios those can be easily managed no? I mean the #s can be counted with the *s and for a tree structure, if a <code>:*</code> is used instead of <code>**</code>, it shouldn't change anything. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 02:14, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
::::: Still, with your method, the edit to mark something done will show as deleting it from "not done" and adding it to "done", whereas with my method it will show as "changing it from not done to done". It might not make much difference if only one or two are marked done, but if you mark several done all at once I think it would look messier with your method. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::: I think it all depends on how it will look on the page itself really, right now the done and not done are fully separated, which my idea would fit better. But if it looked like:

'''Madoka Magica'''
* Episode 1 (Done)
* Episode 2 (Done)
* Episode 3 (Not done)
* Episode 4 (Not done)
* Episode 5 (Done)
* Episode 6 (Not done)

::::::Then yeah your idea would fit better. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:00, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::Even then I think it would be better if the module just counted the ammount of "(Done)"s and "(Not done)"s. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:52, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

== Enemies ==

I added the enemy list for Please Yuna-san, but I ran into one issue. Sakuya, Ranka, Ao, and Hikaru appear as regular enemies in Waves 1–4 of the Hundred Evils Challenge stage, but they also appear as bosses in Wave 5. In this case, should they be split into separate Boss and non-Boss entries? - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 20:24, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
: Yeah then both should be listed. Also do you have a good source of what enemies appear in what events? I [[User:TheresaFrog421#Enemies to confirm|have a whole list of pages that have missing enemies]] and I predict it will only get bigger. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:28, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:: [https://magireco.moe/] should have information for most Challenge, EX Challenge, and Hundred Evils Challenge stages. However, the site is in Chinese, so it may take some time to translate the information. Also, it seems that the site is no longer being actively maintained, so it may be unstable and sometimes inaccessible. - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 20:49, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:: Also, it seems that the Magical Halloween Theater event was held in a PvP format at the time, so the event itself does not have any enemies. -[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 21:04, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

== Reverting Official But Wrong Translations ==

I can understand wanting to keep the "official" translations but when they're done poorly and incorrect more often than not, we probably want to keep better translations *somewhere*. In the case of Paola there's specifically items missing from the official translation present in the original JP text... that's kinda significant. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 21:59, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
:The nature is missing from the official translation right? Yeah its pretty significant, but I still prefer sticking to the official descriptions. I can get behind putting it in the trivia that the nature is missing from the english text, but outright replacing the official translation is wrong. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:04, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

== User reaching out ==

You like witches? I like witches. Let's talk witches? But where, and how? (excuse me if I mucked up the editing, its been many years.)
[[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]]) 23:08, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

:I don't really know what you mean, but I'm up for discussion ^^. And it would be best just here. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 11:58, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

What do you like most about the witches? Your profile implies you do, since a section asks for more witch content. I also wish more witch lore. Like for example how exactly familiars grow into witches, we are told little about it.
Or how much of the magical girl's soul is 'lost' when turning into a grief seed. It looks to me like the main personality is shed and only the subconscious ego remains as a witch.
You can check my profile for some of my old contributions [[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]])

I honestly like everything, but if I HAD to choose its probably the striking difference between a Magical Girl and a Witch, I mean Sayaka has only 3 colors in her outfit but Oktavia has so many, to me it feels like what the person looks if they werent bound by a human body. About the familiars, I wish we got more proof of familiars growing into Witches ''and being diffrent''. Im pretty sure Sarah Mirabilis W confirms that its been thought of, but other cases in Magia Record just reuse the original Witch's design and that's a bummer _ _". About the Magical Girls' Souls, honestly Ive thought about this too... I prefer to think that its still there, but maybe its permamently damaged/bound, in a way that doesn't let them move on? Like Homulilly, she forever tries to reach a guillotine but she never will, implying that she can't really evolve any further, that's what I mean by being "bound". This would also explain why a Witch cant turn back into a Magical Girl, because while Hope can transform into Despair, Despair cant turn into Hope. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:39, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

I doubt the soul is still whole. When we see Sayaka Soul gem turn grief seed, we see the outer shell breaks and the grief seed inside is already manifesting.
So the hypothesis is this. The impurities are coagulating into the grief seed and when it's too much to bear, the soul sheds parts of itself. The gem breaks, part of the girl's soul and very identity is gone.
Perhaps it's caught by Kyubey in the process and converted into energy. Perhaps it just dissipates. The witch is what remains. The witch is not the girl anymore. It's a remnant of who she was. Like a series of memories but incomplete. Like a fever dream or nightmare.
The evidence is how Oktavia still had a vague Sayaka shape, but it was melting. Homura is the outlier because her soul gem never broke, so she never went into a real witch.
If Hope can turn into Despair, Despair can also turn into hope. But Witches are different because of the soul being an actual thing that can be damaged and destroyed. Not so sure on doppels, but they break the rules anyways. [[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]]) 18:04, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

==Observations==
Please stop removing the observations for characters? I'm grateful you're working on the new info boxes but the observations of traits and analysis are important to analysis of the setting? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 20:37, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
: I just think they're quite useless, yeah they're analyses of behaviour, but a lot of it just seems like thoughts that just don't fit on a wiki, more fitting on a personal page. Plus a lot of stuff there would be better off in other sections, such as behaviour in the Personality section, and stuff about design in the Appearance section. I just don't like those sections for how much they feel like they don't fit into a wiki. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 08:18, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
:: Okay, sure, some of it is better fit for trivia... but that isn't what you're doing. It *is* scholarly analysis. traditional wikis do not do such a thing, but THIS WIKI has a decade plus history of doing so. As such.... Either leaving it, or labeling it similarly to how the Speculation blocks are done that "this isn't fact but is important." is important in my mind. Some of the items I would never have made the connections to otherwise. (For example: Quitterie); Not all of the items in Observations can uniformly be moved into Appearances or Personality. Please. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 15:53, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
::: I mean if you care about them that much, then I'm sure there are others too. I will bring them back, but I still plan on cutting some of the points out, like for Kazumi I dont think there's a point in keeping these:
:::* In Chapter 20, it is stated that Kazumi's cooking is good, just like Michiru, making them closer to their goal of bringing back their Michiru.
:::* Like [[Madoka Kaname|Madoka]], both are friendly, gentle and they want to be helpful to other people, and they were both initially average magical girls who died and became "special" as a result of their friends' actions.
:::That's the main reason I deleted them, but fine I'll bring them all back, then I'll start cutting down stuff I think is unnecesary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:05, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: That would be fine by me. Fluff observations can go, but scholarly, literary, or analytical comparisons, esp. if backed up by staff and/or interviews, should stay in my mind. Thank you. I'll work on some of them later if I have the time. Been very busy as of late... [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 16:15, 1 August 2026 (UTC)

== About the images used by the Magia Record Stats template ==

If I didn’t miss anything, I think I’ve finally renamed all of the Magia Record card images to the Card_(id)_c.png format. I also changed the Magia Record Stats template so that it generates the image filename directly from the ID, and fixed all the pages that were still linking to the old/wrong filenames... 😭

There is one small issue, though: Darc (Final)’s 5★ card image (Card_40285_c.png) is the version with the frame, while the frameless version comes from Magia Exedra and is currently uploaded as Card_40285_c (Exedra).png.

So I’m wondering which would be better: Keep a little flexibility in the template, so that if an image filename is specified manually, it uses that instead of generating one from the ID; or Just keep things simple and replace Card_40285_c.png with the frameless Exedra version?

Also, I noticed that in Magia Exedra’s Archive, Lil' Kyubey’s card image actually includes the character name. Should we consider switching to that version, or should we keep using the current version without the character name? -- [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 18:27, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

<gallery>
File:Card 40285 c.png|Magia Record version
File:Card 40285 c (Exedra).png|Magia Exedra (frameless) version
File:Card 10424 c.png|Lil' Kyubey (no character name)
</gallery>
:Thank you ^^, I think uploading the frameless version as the main one is the better option, and for Lil' Kyubey I think the Exedra versions could be better? I'm not sure though, as the nameless one would be more accurate to Record. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:32, 15 August 2026 (UTC)
::For Lil' Kyuubey I think it makes sense to keep both, as the nameless one is a better fit for the unit page, but the named one could be added to the Exedra gallery. No idea on Darc. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:48, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

:::Okay I uploaded the frameless Final Darc card as a new version of the old one, it should be fine to delete [[:File:Card 40285 c (Exedra).png]]? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:39, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: If the frameless version is going to replace Card_40285_c.png, then I think it should be fine to delete Card_40285_c (Exedra).png as well.
:::: Also, I noticed that Ashley's skill set differs quite a bit between the JP and NA servers. Should we consider creating a separate unit entry for the NA version of Ashley? For now, I've put the differences in her skill set on [[User:Hilbert88#Ashley|my user page]]. --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 17:29, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

::::: I'm worried that it would be annoying to separate them, a lot of things would just be repeated, like the Doppel description and Side Story, I mean I did want to change where they are placed on the wiki but right now they're on the unit pages so... Also separating the JP and NA means all the japanese wouldn't be on the NA page, and would that mean english shouldnt be on the JP page? I feel like it creates problems and we should try to fuse them instead (Im pretty sure Mami also has a tiny NA difference? I remember it from creating the unit pages) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:31, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

:::::: Looking at the differences, they seem to almost all be of the "rebalancing" category and not a fundamental difference in her powerset. (After all, Charm and Bewitch are the same thing, right?) I guess "Guaranteed Ignore Damage Cut" and "Blast MP Gain UP" are new, though. I think I'd prioritize showing the JP skill set, as it can be seen as an evolution from the NA skill set. Since neither game is still up and playable, it doesn't seem worth recording the differences in her NA stats as a separate unit page, though if you really want to do so, I don't mind. (But you could also just add the same table from your user page on the JP unit page.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:45, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

== Regarding Mobage/Online ==

I wonder, why do you think Exedra adapting Mobage/Online is so unlikely that they would be less likely than Null? Null is insanely weird and unusual for PMMM and the 3rd chapter especially is a complete mindfuck. Even I'm not 100% sure what's going on.

Just curious. I really liked reading through your user page.
:As weird as Null Magical Girl is, I think just because its recent it has a bigger chance. To be fair, both Null and Mobage haven't been referenced in any other media so they do kinda have the same chances, but still, I think just because Null is more recent, it has a bigger chance. ALSO another thing that kinda makes me believe Mobage won't ever see the light of day is that every single character design idea they used for the 4 Mobage girls has been reused I mean...
<gallery mode=nolines>
File:Mobage7060.jpg
File:Exedra Live2D 835930.png
File:Mobage7059.jpg
File:Umika PM.png
File:Mobage7058.jpg
File:Alexandra Website.png
File:Mobage7057.jpg
File:Meiyui PM.png
</gallery>

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 09:11, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
:So as much as I want to see them I believe its very unlikely T-T. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:21, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks!

I think that's ''kind of'' a stretch.

Sasa Yuuki isn't even from Record (from Oriko) and mostly just shares the fact that they have a Jester Theme. Alexandra is the only one I think actually looks like a reused design. Meiyui doesn't even use the same weapon.

---

Plus in Null, there's literally ''one'' actual Magical girl and it's not like her design is super great. https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Coeurl

Kyubey-Kosane doesn't really make sense as a unit unless they start adding non-magical girl units.

I guess Homo Magica, even though they are debatably magical girls? I kind of want to see them expanded on. Them interfering with the Lighthouse might be an interesting way to introduce them.

They screwed a lot with the time-stream/different universes in the source material.

---

But yeah in both cases, Exedra is unlikely to get to them until many more years into its life.

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 09:30, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

: You could maybe argue that Coeurl is not powered up in that shot, meaning we've never seen her magical girl outfit. (I don't remember if the novel contradicts this theory.) In any case, I wouldn't really like it if NMG was brought up in Exedra. It's just a bit too weird. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 06:01, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

Ironically I'm kind of the opposite and love it and want to see an expansion of the world (like hard sci-fi like this). But get it- it's divisive for a reason.

Crazy how it's ''technically'' the only spinoff since the end of Tart and the start of Record/Exedra.

== Question. ==

What's 2↑↑5? [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 00:24, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

: I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about??? T-T - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:36, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

:Bruh. This is Math. It's Tetration. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 13:48, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

:: Girl idk how much that is why are you asking me math questions on a wiki ;-;. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:16, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

::: Let me show you. https://www.dcode.fr/knuth-arrows [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 15:06, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

== Counting to 125 in Base 25. ==

This means there's Twenty-Five Symbols in Base 25.

Zero. One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six. Seven. Eight. Nine. Dess. Ell. Zen. Thise. Zeff. Trick. Tess. Zote. Dine. Ax. Score. Tress. Dell. Flore. Cadex. Ten. Eleven. Twelve. Thirteen. Fourteen. Fifteen. Sixteen. Seventeen. Eighteen. Nineteen. Dessteen. Ellteen. Zenteen. Thiseteen. Zeffteen. Trickteen. Tessteen. Zoteteen. Dineteen. Axteen. Scoreteen. Tress. Dellteen. Floreteen. Cadexteen. Twenty. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 03:34, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

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== Interacting with bots ==

Hello! I wanted to inform you that the user you interacted with "What" to was a bot. In the future, I would recommend not interacting with them and to let moderators handle it. Have a good day. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 14:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== Kuro ==

Just letting you know, but くろ and 黒 are not their last names – both are different ways of writing "kuro" in Japanese, so it's just a difference in spelling. Do you still think it's worth including that information on [[Kuro|this page]]? (I'm not trying to say it's not worth it; I'm letting you decide.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 06:17, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
:Honestly yeah, I know there's the little description next to their name but if Magireco added the くろ and 黒 as a way of differentiating them, I don't see why the kuro page shouldn't, and it helps me identify them quicker. (Also i got the idea of it being a last name because of [[Kuro (くろ)|Kuro's (くろ)]] etymology section where it calls it that) --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
::I mean, sure, it is technically their last name. "Kuro" is presumed to be their surname, not their given name. But your phrasing seemed to imply you were thinking of "Kuro" as the first name and the Japanese characters as the surname, which is not the case. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:34, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Deletion requests ==

Please don't blank the page when requesting for it to be deleted. Just add the deletion requests category. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:27, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:If you're talking about ''Magia Exedra Story Transcripts/Magia Record Main Story - Rumor of the Anonymous AI/Portrait Story'' then I wasn't the one who deleted the content, it was EPF (they created and edited the page so I can't blame them) I only added the deletion request category (I guess I can't prove it since the page is gone). The only proof are [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable & Mami's Heart-Pounding Tiro Finale Grief Seeds]] and [[Minor Oriko Witches]] still having their content (I "moved" them to [[Madoka Magica Grief Seeds]] and [[Oriko Magica Witches]] respectively) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:05, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

== Memory Windows ==

It seems you missed the Symbol Witch and the Mirror Witch? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:Yeah I'm not the one who extracted them out of the files so I can't really find them on my own. I was hoping to get them through EPF's google drive but it seems like theyre not updating it currently so I got them from the Exedra wiki. They dont have the symbol, mirror and two forms of stagecraft window. I'm REALLY not good with any file extracting so I'm sorry that I can't look for them myself. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, that's fair. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Rumor of Walpurgisnacht ==

<blockquote>"I need help, I wanted to change the walpurgisnacht rumor to the eng dub one but I genuinely CANNOT hear what uwasasan is saying in some parts T_T"</blockquote>
Are you not using closed captions (cc)? It should help you. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 00:15, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:The only ones I can use are the translated ones, when I want to upload the official english rumor. If you or anyone else has the real english cc it would help T_T. --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

== Gallery moves!? ==

Wait, why are all the gallery pages being moved? We already went to the trouble of making Gallery: be a proper namespace. What's the problem with having the galleries in their own namespace? Is there some reason why they absolutely have to be subpages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:At first I saw Amaterasu doing it, and since I was changing [[Template:Navbox Anime Gallery]] I decided to just go with it and start moving them. Tbh I shouldn't bring Amaterasu into this but since they're way longer on this wiki and their changes were just left unquestioned I assumed everyone was okay with them, and I wanted to help ཀ ʖ̯ ཀ. I can still change them back even if it takes time but please while you're here delete the redirects I put in [[:Category:Deletion requests|deletion requests]], they're extremely unnecessary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:35, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::The use of subpages is more efficient, in my view. It allows you to quickly link back to the main page, and I think it's better than simply using "Gallery:", since it also makes it clear that it isn't a new page, simply a part of the page. I probably didn't explain this well, I just woke up. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:42, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

:::Yeah, I agree with gallery subpages too. Another bonus is searchability - you have to preface everything with Gallery: if you wanna search for pages in that namespace, they don't appear otherwise. Which kinda sucks. However I'm also pretty sure we're using some cursed old search extension. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:16, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

::::Though, you could also argue that not appearing in searches is a ''good'' thing. Someone searching is more likely to want the article than the gallery. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:01, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

== CSS ==

Regarding [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Witch_Card&diff=next&oldid=193460 this edit]: I'm not sure what you were going for, but you misspelled "margin-top". It has a hyphen in it, not an underscore. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:27, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
:Tried checking it again and it still doesn't work, on some pages the name box appears on the same position as the witch display but on others (like [[Minor Magia Record Witches and Doppels]]) its a little bit lower, it might be some other part of the code though. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:32, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

== Tabbers ==

I noticed you're experimenting with the new <nowiki><tabber></nowiki> tag that was recently installed. Please be sure to watch out for pages that link to specific tabs, as the fragment (the part after <code>#</code>) completely changes with the new system. So, just changing a page to use the new tabs instead of the old potentially breaks links silently with no warning at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:25, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
:Okay, I'll check if the Iroha edit I made broke any links, for now Im focusing on making empty Exedra Event pages but I'll remember it - thanks! - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 04:28, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

== Star ==

Why are you changing the star? The memoria cards clearly use eight-pointed stars, not five-pointed stars. That's why I used an eight-pointed star in the category names. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]])
:On my laptop the star was a blank box (🟎) Idk if Safari doesnt understand that symbol but it just looked broken. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:01, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
:I checked and it just doesn't work on Safari, even if its made with html (🟎). Ive found ones that work, ✵ and ✴ (there are other eight-pointed stars but only these are rotated correctly), I prefer the first one. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:20, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
::So basically it's an issue of you don't have a font with that character. Of the two stars you found that ''do'' work though, I think the second is actually more suitable. The first is "eight-pointed pinwheel star", and it's not solid black unlike the other two. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:59, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

== Enemy elements ==

Do you have a specific order that you think the elements should be shown in for the "enemies" section on the memory window pages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:18, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:They appear in that order in the suggested element section before a fight and the fight itself. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:22, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::So you haven't really checked if the order is always the same then. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:24, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I mean?? I never saw them appear in any other order, so I do just assume that it stays the same. If that's not the case then yeah it should be changed. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::I looked through them a bit. It looks like the game is always listing them in the same order that they appear in the upgrade/crystalis quest lists. At least, I didn't see any that contradicted that order. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:39, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::Okay that's good, also while you're here what do we do with the Scene 0 enemies? From what I got its a lot of enemies from other quests, but Im worried its gonna be almost too many of them. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::I guess the first step would be collating an actual list of the enemies used in Scene 0. Only then can we decide whether it seems like "too many". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:13, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I watched someone play the standard version and this is the list, but I'm pretty sure on Battler and Nightmare there are more unique enemies. Also they all have Aqua Forest and Light weaknesses. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::#Gertrud
::::::#Anthony
::::::#Adelbert
::::::#Ulla
::::::#Charlotte
::::::#Pyotr
::::::#H.N. Elly
::::::#Danniyel & Jennifer
::::::#Anja
::::::#Elsa Maria
::::::#Sebastian's
::::::#Bartels
::::::#Oktavia
::::::#Patricia
::::::#Roberta

== Ponta ==

Thank you! You totally anticipated what I was about to ask for with that gallery edit. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:26, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

==Full Photos==

May I ask where the recent Full photos came from? I really want to see if there's other ones, especially of ones I like :) I'm referring to these (Sayaka Kimono Full 2.png, Sayaka Kimono Full.png, Ren Christmas Full.png, Rika Christmas Full.png, Shizuka First Sunrise Full.png) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:The "Event Files" I mention in the upload summaries are specifically in [https://pi.rika.ren/magica/resource/image_native/effect/story/ this folder of the Magireco File Archive]. Sadly, there's not a lot of these full renders. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:: Thank you.. (╥﹏╥) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 06:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

== Templates category ==

Is there any actual point in [[:Category:Templates]]? If you need a list of all templates on the wiki, [[Special:AllPages]] is clearly better (no need to manually categorize them all). Other template categories are fine, but I don't see the point of that one. (Maybe there ''is'' a point I'm missing? I don't know.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
: Yeah its not ''that'' needed, but I do think it's a bit nicer than [[Special:AllPages]] just because of how Category pages look. I don't see it as redundant, just a tiny bit better alternative (Even if it is kinda annoying to categorize them manually). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:53, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

== Edit Summary ==

It would help a lot if you remembered to fill in the edit summary when you edit. We wouldn't have had to have the recent double revert if the original edi summary had explained why you removed that link, for example. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:33, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
:Yeah I sometimes just think its obvious enough what the edit is for, sorry. Then again please check what the edit actually did before reverting it, cause it was pretty obvious that it linked to the wrong image. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:02, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
::I did. The two images were similar enough that linking them was plausible, so it wasn't as obvious as you thought. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

== Inline Icon ==

It feels like your use of Inline Icon on the enemy info pages doesn't really fit. It's meant for embedding an icon into the flow of text, but that's not what you're doing there. Is there any reason you can't just drop the icon image in directly like <nowiki>[[Image.png|link=Magia Record Items]]</nowiki>? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
: Changed. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:01, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
: Oh yeah, does [[Magia Record Enemy - Symbol Witch Minion IV (Haunting Chairs)|Echo IV]] have any drop items? It seems like it should, but I cant find what it would be. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:07, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Sorry, I have no idea. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

== Progress Reports ==
I'm not good with css, or templates, but I was thinking if we could make a template similar to the progress report at the bottom of [[Timeline]]? I was thinking a way to just list the entries as integrated/finished and non-finished and then have the progress bar automatically update. Perhaps even only using parts of them in the articles they belong (like the Timeline for Null only has the progress report for Null) but Timeline has all of them (as well as additional lists for Retellings and Unknown Placement). I can make the lists and fill them in, but I wondered if it would be possible to make that asset as a template that can be edited, so that it can be universal across pages that use it. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:04, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:What exactly do you mean by "automatically update"? It's a bit vague, and sounds like it could be quite tricky. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:07, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:: I mean the progress bar automatically updates in accordance to what is finised and what is not finished. (Like if the finished list has three elements and the unfinished has two, the progress bar would automatically just calculate to 60%). To also explain the example with Null that I brought up: the template, when its used on pages, can just be edited to which parts are visible and which aren't. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:10, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

: I think maybe with [[Module:ArrayParameter]] it could be possible? To list something you would have to put it in a new parameter, and im pretty sure Array Parameter can count how many parameters there are (if done right obv). Then just do some math to show how much is done in %. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:11, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::So basically you're saying that completion percentage would be based on comparing a "target list" with a "completed list"? It sounds doable, but probably not easy, and likely requires a module to do properly. (Not [[Module:ArrayParameter]], but a dedicated module just for this purpose.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:15, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::: It works right now but is kinda annoying when trying to change not done stuff to done (cause you have to change a lot of numbers). I still dont think its worth its own module, but maybe theres some way to make it count the <code>*</code>s in a parameter and then calculate the progress bar with that? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:26, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

::: You can see my example at [[User:TheresaFrog421/Sandbox#Template]], its messy and looks bad but what counts is that it works. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:27, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:::: Okay I improved it to look like it does on [[Timeline]] (not 1:1 but thats not possible). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:13, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::::: Oh that's perfect! Can we make it so that it's usable for the files? Or at least for [[Timeline]]? I can then populate each entry for each timeline, as well as the Retellings and Unknown Placement like before. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 17:48, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:::::: What do you mean by "files"? The Wishlist? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:52, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

: I do think it's worth its own module. Then you could write it like this:
<pre>{{Progress
|done1=thing
|done2=thing
|notdone3=thing
|done4=thing
|done5=thing
|notdone6=thing
}}</pre>
: The key point there being that done and not done elements share the same numerical sequence, so marking something done is just a matter of deleting "not". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

:: That would already be nicer than the current setup but if the module could just count the amount of bulleted point items it would be even easier, it would look like this:
<pre>{{Progress
|done=
* Thing
* Thing
* Thing
|notdone=
* Thing
}}</pre>
:: I'm not sure just how much a module can actually do so.. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:57, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::It can do pretty much anything, so counting the *'s is certainly possible. I'm not too happy with that idea though. If it's expected to ''always'' be a straight bulleted list without any tree structures, then I think it makes more sense for those *'s to be in the template instead of in the page; whereas if there's any tree structures, or any situation where it wouldn't be a bulleted list, then counting the *'s gives the wrong answer. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:38, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::: I mean yeah but in both scenarios its a bulleted list, I dont really know what other lists it could be, at most one where #s are used, or a tree list, but in both scenarios those can be easily managed no? I mean the #s can be counted with the *s and for a tree structure, if a <code>:*</code> is used instead of <code>**</code>, it shouldn't change anything. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 02:14, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
::::: Still, with your method, the edit to mark something done will show as deleting it from "not done" and adding it to "done", whereas with my method it will show as "changing it from not done to done". It might not make much difference if only one or two are marked done, but if you mark several done all at once I think it would look messier with your method. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::: I think it all depends on how it will look on the page itself really, right now the done and not done are fully separated, which my idea would fit better. But if it looked like:

'''Madoka Magica'''
* Episode 1 (Done)
* Episode 2 (Done)
* Episode 3 (Not done)
* Episode 4 (Not done)
* Episode 5 (Done)
* Episode 6 (Not done)

::::::Then yeah your idea would fit better. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:00, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::Even then I think it would be better if the module just counted the ammount of "(Done)"s and "(Not done)"s. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:52, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

== Enemies ==

I added the enemy list for Please Yuna-san, but I ran into one issue. Sakuya, Ranka, Ao, and Hikaru appear as regular enemies in Waves 1–4 of the Hundred Evils Challenge stage, but they also appear as bosses in Wave 5. In this case, should they be split into separate Boss and non-Boss entries? - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 20:24, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
: Yeah then both should be listed. Also do you have a good source of what enemies appear in what events? I [[User:TheresaFrog421#Enemies to confirm|have a whole list of pages that have missing enemies]] and I predict it will only get bigger. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:28, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:: [https://magireco.moe/] should have information for most Challenge, EX Challenge, and Hundred Evils Challenge stages. However, the site is in Chinese, so it may take some time to translate the information. Also, it seems that the site is no longer being actively maintained, so it may be unstable and sometimes inaccessible. - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 20:49, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:: Also, it seems that the Magical Halloween Theater event was held in a PvP format at the time, so the event itself does not have any enemies. -[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 21:04, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

== Reverting Official But Wrong Translations ==

I can understand wanting to keep the "official" translations but when they're done poorly and incorrect more often than not, we probably want to keep better translations *somewhere*. In the case of Paola there's specifically items missing from the official translation present in the original JP text... that's kinda significant. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 21:59, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
:The nature is missing from the official translation right? Yeah its pretty significant, but I still prefer sticking to the official descriptions. I can get behind putting it in the trivia that the nature is missing from the english text, but outright replacing the official translation is wrong. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:04, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

== User reaching out ==

You like witches? I like witches. Let's talk witches? But where, and how? (excuse me if I mucked up the editing, its been many years.)
[[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]]) 23:08, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

:I don't really know what you mean, but I'm up for discussion ^^. And it would be best just here. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 11:58, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

What do you like most about the witches? Your profile implies you do, since a section asks for more witch content. I also wish more witch lore. Like for example how exactly familiars grow into witches, we are told little about it.
Or how much of the magical girl's soul is 'lost' when turning into a grief seed. It looks to me like the main personality is shed and only the subconscious ego remains as a witch.
You can check my profile for some of my old contributions [[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]])

I honestly like everything, but if I HAD to choose its probably the striking difference between a Magical Girl and a Witch, I mean Sayaka has only 3 colors in her outfit but Oktavia has so many, to me it feels like what the person looks if they werent bound by a human body. About the familiars, I wish we got more proof of familiars growing into Witches ''and being diffrent''. Im pretty sure Sarah Mirabilis W confirms that its been thought of, but other cases in Magia Record just reuse the original Witch's design and that's a bummer _ _". About the Magical Girls' Souls, honestly Ive thought about this too... I prefer to think that its still there, but maybe its permamently damaged/bound, in a way that doesn't let them move on? Like Homulilly, she forever tries to reach a guillotine but she never will, implying that she can't really evolve any further, that's what I mean by being "bound". This would also explain why a Witch cant turn back into a Magical Girl, because while Hope can transform into Despair, Despair cant turn into Hope. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:39, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

I doubt the soul is still whole. When we see Sayaka Soul gem turn grief seed, we see the outer shell breaks and the grief seed inside is already manifesting.
So the hypothesis is this. The impurities are coagulating into the grief seed and when it's too much to bear, the soul sheds parts of itself. The gem breaks, part of the girl's soul and very identity is gone.
Perhaps it's caught by Kyubey in the process and converted into energy. Perhaps it just dissipates. The witch is what remains. The witch is not the girl anymore. It's a remnant of who she was. Like a series of memories but incomplete. Like a fever dream or nightmare.
The evidence is how Oktavia still had a vague Sayaka shape, but it was melting. Homura is the outlier because her soul gem never broke, so she never went into a real witch.
If Hope can turn into Despair, Despair can also turn into hope. But Witches are different because of the soul being an actual thing that can be damaged and destroyed. Not so sure on doppels, but they break the rules anyways. [[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]]) 18:04, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

==Observations==
Please stop removing the observations for characters? I'm grateful you're working on the new info boxes but the observations of traits and analysis are important to analysis of the setting? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 20:37, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
: I just think they're quite useless, yeah they're analyses of behaviour, but a lot of it just seems like thoughts that just don't fit on a wiki, more fitting on a personal page. Plus a lot of stuff there would be better off in other sections, such as behaviour in the Personality section, and stuff about design in the Appearance section. I just don't like those sections for how much they feel like they don't fit into a wiki. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 08:18, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
:: Okay, sure, some of it is better fit for trivia... but that isn't what you're doing. It *is* scholarly analysis. traditional wikis do not do such a thing, but THIS WIKI has a decade plus history of doing so. As such.... Either leaving it, or labeling it similarly to how the Speculation blocks are done that "this isn't fact but is important." is important in my mind. Some of the items I would never have made the connections to otherwise. (For example: Quitterie); Not all of the items in Observations can uniformly be moved into Appearances or Personality. Please. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 15:53, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
::: I mean if you care about them that much, then I'm sure there are others too. I will bring them back, but I still plan on cutting some of the points out, like for Kazumi I dont think there's a point in keeping these:
:::* In Chapter 20, it is stated that Kazumi's cooking is good, just like Michiru, making them closer to their goal of bringing back their Michiru.
:::* Like [[Madoka Kaname|Madoka]], both are friendly, gentle and they want to be helpful to other people, and they were both initially average magical girls who died and became "special" as a result of their friends' actions.
:::That's the main reason I deleted them, but fine I'll bring them all back, then I'll start cutting down stuff I think is unnecesary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:05, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: That would be fine by me. Fluff observations can go, but scholarly, literary, or analytical comparisons, esp. if backed up by staff and/or interviews, should stay in my mind. Thank you. I'll work on some of them later if I have the time. Been very busy as of late... [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 16:15, 1 August 2026 (UTC)

== About the images used by the Magia Record Stats template ==

If I didn’t miss anything, I think I’ve finally renamed all of the Magia Record card images to the Card_(id)_c.png format. I also changed the Magia Record Stats template so that it generates the image filename directly from the ID, and fixed all the pages that were still linking to the old/wrong filenames... 😭

There is one small issue, though: Darc (Final)’s 5★ card image (Card_40285_c.png) is the version with the frame, while the frameless version comes from Magia Exedra and is currently uploaded as Card_40285_c (Exedra).png.

So I’m wondering which would be better: Keep a little flexibility in the template, so that if an image filename is specified manually, it uses that instead of generating one from the ID; or Just keep things simple and replace Card_40285_c.png with the frameless Exedra version?

Also, I noticed that in Magia Exedra’s Archive, Lil' Kyubey’s card image actually includes the character name. Should we consider switching to that version, or should we keep using the current version without the character name? -- [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 18:27, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

<gallery>
File:Card 40285 c.png|Magia Record version
File:Card 40285 c (Exedra).png|Magia Exedra (frameless) version
File:Card 10424 c.png|Lil' Kyubey (no character name)
</gallery>
:Thank you ^^, I think uploading the frameless version as the main one is the better option, and for Lil' Kyubey I think the Exedra versions could be better? I'm not sure though, as the nameless one would be more accurate to Record. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:32, 15 August 2026 (UTC)
::For Lil' Kyuubey I think it makes sense to keep both, as the nameless one is a better fit for the unit page, but the named one could be added to the Exedra gallery. No idea on Darc. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:48, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

:::Okay I uploaded the frameless Final Darc card as a new version of the old one, it should be fine to delete [[:File:Card 40285 c (Exedra).png]]? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:39, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: If the frameless version is going to replace Card_40285_c.png, then I think it should be fine to delete Card_40285_c (Exedra).png as well.
:::: Also, I noticed that Ashley's skill set differs quite a bit between the JP and NA servers. Should we consider creating a separate unit entry for the NA version of Ashley? For now, I've put the differences in her skill set on [[User:Hilbert88#Ashley|my user page]]. --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 17:29, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

::::: I'm worried that it would be annoying to separate them, a lot of things would just be repeated, like the Doppel description and Side Story, I mean I did want to change where they are placed on the wiki but right now they're on the unit pages so... Also separating the JP and NA means all the japanese wouldn't be on the NA page, and would that mean english shouldnt be on the JP page? I feel like it creates problems and we should try to fuse them instead (Im pretty sure Mami also has a tiny NA difference? I remember it from creating the unit pages) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:31, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

:::::: Looking at the differences, they seem to almost all be of the "rebalancing" category and not a fundamental difference in her powerset. (After all, Charm and Bewitch are the same thing, right?) I guess "Guaranteed Ignore Damage Cut" and "Blast MP Gain UP" are new, though. I think I'd prioritize showing the JP skill set, as it can be seen as an evolution from the NA skill set. Since neither game is still up and playable, it doesn't seem worth recording the differences in her NA stats as a separate unit page, though if you really want to do so, I don't mind. (But you could also just add the same table from your user page on the JP unit page.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:45, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

== Regarding Mobage/Online ==

I wonder, why do you think Exedra adapting Mobage/Online is so unlikely that they would be less likely than Null? Null is insanely weird and unusual for PMMM and the 3rd chapter especially is a complete mindfuck. Even I'm not 100% sure what's going on.

Just curious. I really liked reading through your user page.
:As weird as Null Magical Girl is, I think just because its recent it has a bigger chance. To be fair, both Null and Mobage haven't been referenced in any other media so they do kinda have the same chances, but still, I think just because Null is more recent, it has a bigger chance. ALSO another thing that kinda makes me believe Mobage won't ever see the light of day is that every single character design idea they used for the 4 Mobage girls has been reused I mean...
<gallery mode=nolines>
File:Mobage7060.jpg
File:Exedra Live2D 835930.png
File:Mobage7059.jpg
File:Umika PM.png
File:Mobage7058.jpg
File:Alexandra Website.png
File:Mobage7057.jpg
File:Meiyui PM.png
</gallery>

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 09:11, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
:So as much as I want to see them I believe its very unlikely T-T. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:21, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks!

I think that's ''kind of'' a stretch.

Sasa Yuuki isn't even from Record (from Oriko) and mostly just shares the fact that they have a Jester Theme. Alexandra is the only one I think actually looks like a reused design. Meiyui doesn't even use the same weapon.

---

Plus in Null, there's literally ''one'' actual Magical girl and it's not like her design is super great. https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Coeurl

Kyubey-Kosane doesn't really make sense as a unit unless they start adding non-magical girl units.

I guess Homo Magica, even though they are debatably magical girls? I kind of want to see them expanded on. Them interfering with the Lighthouse might be an interesting way to introduce them.

They screwed a lot with the time-stream/different universes in the source material.

---

But yeah in both cases, Exedra is unlikely to get to them until many more years into its life.

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 09:30, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

: You could maybe argue that Coeurl is not powered up in that shot, meaning we've never seen her magical girl outfit. (I don't remember if the novel contradicts this theory.) In any case, I wouldn't really like it if NMG was brought up in Exedra. It's just a bit too weird. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 06:01, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

Ironically I'm kind of the opposite and love it and want to see an expansion of the world (like hard sci-fi like this). But get it- it's divisive for a reason.

Crazy how it's ''technically'' the only spinoff since the end of Tart and the start of Record/Exedra.

== Question. ==

What's 2↑↑5? [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 00:24, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

: I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about??? T-T - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:36, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

:Bruh. This is Math. It's Tetration. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 13:48, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

:: Girl idk how much that is why are you asking me math questions on a wiki ;-;. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:16, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

::: Let me show you. https://www.dcode.fr/knuth-arrows [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 15:06, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

== Counting to 125 in Base 25. ==

Zero. One. Two. Three. Four. Five. Six. Seven. Eight. Nine. Dess. Ell. Zen. Thise. Zeff. Trick. Tess. Zote. Dine. Ax. Score. Tress. Dell. Flore. Cadex. Ten. Eleven. Twelve. Thirteen. Fourteen. Fifteen. Sixteen. Seventeen. Eighteen. Nineteen. Dessteen. Ellteen. Zenteen. Thiseteen. Zeffteen. Trickteen. Tessteen. Zoteteen. Dineteen. Axteen. Scoreteen. Tress. Dellteen. Floreteen. Cadexteen. Twenty. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 03:34, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

Puella Magi Wiki talk:Wiki Styling Cleanup 2026

2026-09-08T14:49:40Z

Belankt294842:

{{Wiki project}}

This is an attempt to update the styling of ''Puella Magi Wiki'' in 2026, to make it looks nicer and more modern.

== Default theme ==

Continue from [[Talk:Main Page#Guys, we need Vector 2022 for unregistered_users.]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:00, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Ok, the logo is replaced. What about the unregistered users have Vector 2010 skin? They need Vector 2022 skin. Vector 2022 is better than Vector 2010. And some users who are registered want the skin Minerva, it's not here. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 19:04, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

== New logo ==

Continue from [[Talk:Main Page#New logo (2026)]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:01, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Okay I'm back from my sleep and the logo looks amazing. I remember first seeing the old logo and thinking it was just automatically made by the website, glad nobody will think that anymore lol. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

(''Responding to ImperviousCover specifically'') I think the color can't really get better now, but if it's a problem in dark mode, then a new/inverted logo would fix it anyway. As for a gradient, I think it would be kinda cool, but it would kinda clutter the design up, and Vector 2022 and Citizen make the logo TINY, so it kinda feels unnecessary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 11:53, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
: What do you mean with an "inverted logo"? A new logo would be cool too, but it will mean more work. As for the gradient, it's still appreciable in some skins, so it's just a matter of if someone wants to add it. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 19:08, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:: By inverted I mean the "2RB" logo seen [[:File:PMWiki 2RB v2.png|here]] (this one was uploaded while discussing so its not the final ver). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:21, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Here is the "new one" split into just the seal and just the wordmark for use in other themes. This splits the spot where the eternal feminine normally goes into just text by the side.
:: * [[:File:PMWiki_LOC_Seal_Dark_v1.svg]]
:: * [[:File:PMWiki_LOC_Seal_Light_v1.svg]]
:: * [[:File:PMWIki_Logo_Wordmark_Only_Dark_v1.svg]]
:: * [[:File:PMWiki_Logo_Wordmark_Only_Light_v1.svg]]
:: This should hopefully be sufficient to cover all of our themes for the time being. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 21:50, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:::Thanks for this. I've updated the site logo to use:
:::* Logo (Vector 2010, Monobook): [[:File:PMWIki LOC Logo Light v1.svg]] (converted to PNG)
:::* Icon (Citizen, Vector 2022): [[:File:PMWiki LOC Seal Light v1.svg]] (dark-on-light)
:::* Wordmark (Citizen, Vector 2022): [[:File:PMWIki Logo Wordmark Only Dark v1.svg]] (dark-on-light)
::: Citizen menu and Vector 2022 header look amazing with this new wordmark.
::: I haven't put up dark mode logo just yet, because MediaWiki doesn't seems to provide a way to swap the logo for dark mode. I think I may have to fuse dark+light as one file later and use <code>prefers-color-scheme</code> inside the SVG to select the correct colors. Will do this later.
::: One thing though, I noticed that the top dot is missing from [[:File:PMWiki LOC Seal Light v1.svg]], is it possible to fix this? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 05:47, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: The new small icon for citizen and Vector 2022 still has that old magenta color instead of the one the main one has, so with the dot fix that too pls (Also the bottom dot could be added, we didnt add it to the logo with text because it didnt look that good but without the text it should be okay). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:01, 7 September 2026 (UTC)

== Background ==

Continuing from [[Talk:Main Page#Background]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:01, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Maybe instead of the rainbow dots we use the sigils?
<gallery>
File:Bg3d653 00 groundCenter col.png
File:Bg3d653 00 ground col.png
File:Bg3d653 00 EFF mandara col.png
File:Bg 3d 653 00 001 groundCenter col.png
</gallery>
I feel like the dots would be too much, but not like this is little either. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:19, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

== Skin Options ==

Vector 2022 is better than Vector 2010. Why the skin Minerva Neue is not added yet? [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 19:29, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
: RE: Vector 2022, it's a strict downgrade for many of the styling items all over the website that still need to be cleaned up and adapted for dark mode, short of disabling it entirely. You asked for Minerva about 12h ago and 0x99 is in a different timezone than many of the users here. Please be patient and not rude. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 21:39, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Vector 2022 will require a bit more layout/theme fixing before we can proceed with it, but it's likely that we'll either switch to Vector 2022 or Citizen as the default sometime in the future. I've now enabled Minerva Neue (and disabled Timeless, hopefully nobody is affected). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:46, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
: Please don't put a sentence in your section name. Section names should be short and clear. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:45, 7 September 2026 (UTC)

:(About [[:File:Screenshot 2026-09-07 10.00.13 PM.svg]]) 0x99 very clearly said they're disabling Timeless, are you just trolling at this point cause um. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 08:28, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

:: I'm not trolling. Are they gonna fix Timeless or what? I'm just being serious. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 14:49, 8 September 2026 (UTC)

Puella Magi Wiki talk:Wiki Styling Cleanup 2026

2026-09-06T19:33:55Z

Belankt294842: /* Unregistered Users having Vector 2010 and Some Users want the skin Minerva Neue. */

Puella Magi Wiki talk:Wiki Styling Cleanup 2026

2026-09-06T19:29:57Z

Belankt294842: Grammar.

Puella Magi Wiki talk:Wiki Styling Cleanup 2026

2026-09-06T19:29:16Z

Belankt294842: /* Unregistered Users having Vector 2010 and Some Users want the skin Minerva Neue. */ new section

Talk:Main Page

2026-09-06T19:10:48Z

Belankt294842:

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|body=For server announcements, see [[Puella Magi Wiki:Maintenance Log|Maintenance Log]].
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|body='''Previous discussions are archived at''':
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1]] (January 18, 2011–February 27, 2011)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2]] (February 28, 2011-April 25, 2011)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3]] (April 25, 2011-March 14, 2012)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4]] (March 15, 2012-April 27, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5]] (April 27, 2017–September 19, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6]] (September 20, 2017–September 16, 2023)
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== Main Page cleanup ==

I've taken the liberty to clean up the Main Page styling a little. It's using the same layout as before, but with more consistent spacing/etc. so it looks a lot less cluttered. It's also now and a lot less broken when viewing on a mobile phone. Adding/removing columns should now be a lot less insane. I'm unsure what to do with the News/Wishlist links, though, since they haven't been updated for quite a long time. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

: The News page could probably be updated by trawling the Main Page edit history, and maybe adding other bits if you can think of them. With some work it could even be arranged so that it's the ''source'' of the news on the main page (wrapping the lines that should be on the main page in <nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki> tags). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

:: Good idea. I'll find some time to do it. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

:: I did this, seems to work great. Now to populate 2015 to 2021... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

::: That's slightly different from my thought, but it's probably easier to work with this way anyway. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

== Main visual ==

Would it be worthwhile to add the Scene0 main visual to the main page, too? I think a tabber would work for the desktop view, and on mobile there should be enough space to add it below Rising's. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
: I've made some adjustments, what do you think? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:: I'm not sure… I've been so used to seeing the name beside the key visual and now it's moved below it… I can't find any real complaints though… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
::: OK, let's try again. What about this one? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:::: Oooh, I like it! Thanks [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

==Not sure where to put this==

So... I'm not sure why I'm not an autoconfirmed user, but I don't know where to put this question? -- [[User talk:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]]
:I think you may need to wait few more hours. Autoconfirm is set to 3 edits and 7 days from the date of registration. From what I see, you should get autoconfirmed today (Nov 7) at 20:18:23 (UTC) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you! I didn't realize it was so exact. :) [[User:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]] ([[User talk:ReiAyanami|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Sorry for this, we used to have a lot of spam back in the day (who made a few edits to get autoconfirmed then proceeded on creating an SEO spam page). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 21:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

== Future of Fanworks ==

'''(This was originally on my talk page but I have moved it here as it concerns the whole wiki.)''' While not an official Wiki, this is a Wiki for official content. Outside of personal OC's on the user's pages, is there a reason to include fanworks on the wiki? Fan roleplays have long since died, and many games are likely dead due to flash player shutting down. Is there a reason to have them? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 17:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
:I think it's best to keep what we have now as an archive rather than remove it since they were a part of the fanbase during the early days. We keep [[Poorfag]]'s page up for a reason since it was a meme thing and it doesn't interfere with official pages much like OCs on our user pages. As long as they're kept separate from the official stuff, I think it's ok. I believe you can still play the games even though flash player shut down, I remember there being a big project to archive and make old flash games playable when the shut down was initially announced. -[[User:The Witch's House|The Witch's House]] ([[User talk:The Witch's House|talk]]) 02:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
::I'm also very much agree with this. For a more early meme and such we could make a banner that this was part of the community in the early days and are no longer updated. For ongoing content such as [[Fanworks]] I think the list of games/media/crossover are still worth keeping (and possibly updating). --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

== GunsGirlZ Crossover ==

So I have been just looking around the wiki, and I stumbled across the crossover page! I read it, expecting it to have the GGZ collab in it... but it wasn't there? I was wondering if it just hadn't been added yet, or if theres a reason that it hasn't been! The GGZ collab is probably my favorite PMMM collab, with the battle cats coming in second :P

[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]]) 17:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)♥
:Honestly it just hasnt been updated. you're more than welcome to add the info if you'd like (I dont play it unfortunately but it looked cute!)[[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 21:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

::I can't see anything about the crossover on the page you linked to. You should link not to the other wiki's main page but to a page actually talking about the crossover. Otherwise there's no point in adding the link at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that. The link broke... Sadly since the computer I use is limited by my school I can't fix the link,, I'm sorry haha
[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]])♥

:Looks like someone else fixed it for you, so it's okay. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

== Tweets ==

I think maybe we should work out a consistent policy on tweets. There are currently 711 tweets and 2 twitter profile icons linked from across the wiki (see list [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://mobile.twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://*.twimg.com}}&namespace= here]), and they're often used as references, or even image links. The trouble with this is that tweets are inherently transitory. A link to a tweet is liable to go dead at any time, and indeed at least one of the tweeters commonly linked to (GAN) has a habit of deleting old tweets. Twitter icons are even worse for linking to – they're ''guaranteed'' to go dead after an unknown amount of time. We should just ''not'' link to them ever. Uploading one as a reference is fine if it seems useful, though.

If tweets are to be used as references, I think it would be better to archive them (perhaps on the [[Tweets]] page or a similar page), and all other places then link to there instead. Of course, that can still link back to the original tweet (if it still exists). For tweets that include unique images, especially when the image is used as a source for example to determine a character's hair or eye colour, that image should be uploaded to the wiki so it's not lost. I think there are already some that have been lost, and I hope it may be possible to find them somehow.

(I do think including all images that core people tweet related to the franchise is a little excessive though. GAN in particular tends to tweet inapproprate out-of-character fanart which in my opinion often doesn't add much if anything of value to the relevant wiki pages. See [[Talk:GAN#"Official Fanart" Pruning|separate discussion]] on this.)

For tweets that include non-unique images, it's probably good enough to add a brief note that there were images and, in some cases, maybe link to similar images that already exist on the wiki.

~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

: I agree with this, especially now that you cannot view replies/some tweets with images without logging in. As for archiving, though, I'm not sure if we should archive them on a separate page, or do it as ref (similar to [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Scene 0#References]]). The initial intention of the [[Tweets]] page was for Tweets that are primary content (Urobuchi/Miyamoto's off-hand remarks about things). I think episodic content on that page should probably be moved into each episodes, but for reference I feel like <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> may be a better option. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:: For purely text tweets, or tweets that just threw in a random image, yeah, I think they could probably be squeezed into a reference. Would definitely make sense to have a template for that still. For tweets that are primarily an image maybe with a comment, if the image is deemed relevant I think it should be uploaded (which is what's been done for ''most'' of GAN's images). The tweet's text could be put in the image's caption, or added as a reference from the image's caption. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

== Captcha ==
The wiki has its own captcha system that asks questions about MadoMagi, used for instance when you're trying to add an external link. One of those questions is about the latest social game. It'll probably need to be updated soon, given MagiReco is about to end its service and MagiEx will soon release [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 06:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
: I've replaced all Magia Record-related questions with the Walpurgisnacht movie instead. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:: The movie isn't "upcoming" anymore, so one of the questions is inaccurate now [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 07:43, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Fixed. Thanks for this. I got a lot of fun CAPTCHAs out of WR, hope to put them up there one day (not soon) :P -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:53, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

== Sidebar ==

How do we edit the sidebar? I'm asking because I think we should add Madoka Magica Plus and Magia Exedra to the "Games" section. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 11:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
:It can be edited at [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 11:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

== Games ==

The section is already cluttered as it is, but I feel like I should ask about the possible inclusion of the slot/arcade games. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 03:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
: Perhaps we can break down the section further, e.g.
:; Titles
::; Mainline
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica (Manga, LN, Compilation)
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Rebellion (Manga)
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Walpurgis no Kaiten
::; Side Story
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Homura's Revenge!
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Different Story
:::* Puella Magi Homura Tamura
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Wraith Arc
:::* Puella Magi Kazumi Magica
:::* Puella Magi Oriko Magica (Extra Story, Sadness Prayer)
:::* Puella Magi Suzune Magica
:::* Puella Magi Tart Magica
:::* Null Magical Girl
::; Compilation
:::* Manga Time Kirara Magica
:;Games
::; PC/Smartphone
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Magia Exedra
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story: Magia Record (Manga, Anime)
::; Mobile
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobage
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Plus
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobcast
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Online
::; Console
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable
:Not sure what's the best categorization we can do here, but I think this should allow more items in the section without looking too overwhelming. Thoughts? --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::I just realized you meant the sidebar (oops). I guess we could likely do the same, breaking the Games section into PC/Smartphone, Mobile, Console, and Arcade? --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I like that idea. Maybe we can keep the "Official Games" section, and add an "Arcade" section under it (are subsections possible in this format? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
It definitely needs something, and alphabetical or by release year would be nice because as it is it's hard to find which one you're looking for with so many. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 00:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:I'm currently trying to have it sorted by release order, but there may be some errors in it. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
: I think the plan to have every game be in the sidebar is incredibly misguided. I'd prefer to have only the most prominent ones listed, and then maybe an "Other" link at the bottom. Perhaps multiple "Other" links if there are strong categories. Right now it is just terribly cluttered up with what seem to me like minor games. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
::I see your point. Maybe we can discuss what we think is a necessary game to include? For now, I think we can cut out Madoka iP, Madoka Flash, Madoka Puzzle of Memory and Madoka Magical Coin. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 14:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
:: Side note: This probably should've been discussed on [[Mediawiki talk:Sidebar]] instead? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

==Wiki logo==
The wiki used to have a fancier header logo, as seen https://web.archive.org/web/20170703125702/http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Poorfag https://web.archive.org/web/20170706032551im_/https://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/header.jpg here. What happened? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

: This used to be a skin of the old Vector theme called "Magica". It was done as a skin rather than Common.css for a few reasons, one to avoid breakage when user opt for other themes (Monobook theme was still used by some people back when we used to hang out in #madoka @ Rizon), and another was due to that we needed to modify some gradient background PNG to have a proper transparent (very subtle: [https://web.archive.org/web/20170706021652im_/https://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/tab-current-fade.png magica's tab-current-fade.png] vs [https://web.archive.org/web/20120410121109im_/http://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/vector/images/tab-current-fade.png vector's tab-current-fade.png]).
: Sadly, this broke during an upgrade to MediaWiki 1.39 in 2018 due to the Vector theme subsystem changes, and I no longer have the original Pixelmator file that I used to create the original one, so it never gets ported. (Vector is also quite a moving target which no backward compatibility guarantee, so we probably shouldn't be basing a skin on it.) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

:: While we're on this topic of a fancy skin, [[mw:Skin:Citizen]] is also pretty nice and would help with the "sidebar becoming too long" issue we're having (by turning it into a menu instead). Not sure how much we can customize it, though. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

::: I've now enabled Citizen skin, which can be turned on via [[Special:Preferences]], but as nothing in the Wiki has color preference awareness (dark/light), it's pretty broken in dark mode. --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:::: I've started collecting pages and templates that are especially egregious on Citizen and Vector 2022 dark modes. Those are [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and [[:Category:Templates with no dark theme awareness]]. Some of those are easy fixes that surmount to "remove #fff from template", but pages like [[Witch Runes]], [[Template:Magia Exedra Battle Icon]] or [[Template:Magia Exedra Role Icon]] depend on images in specific color (the first in black, the second in white but inverted with css). I don't know how to make CSS that takes note of whether a theme is a Light Mode or a Dark Mode one (so that I can implement appropriate color inverts). Additionally, many pages like [[Isabeau]] use non-template spoiler boxes that start with "Warning, this section contains spoilers.". Can we nuke that non-Template template? It's a wiki, of course it'll contain spoilers. What's considered a spoiler changes over the years anyway, glasses Homura was a huge spoiler when episode 10(?) dropped, but she was a release unit in Magia Record, for instance. It's utterly pointless trying to determine what is and isn't a spoiler. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: Oh, also, is there any way to change Citizen's code? It consistently ignores my width:100% table parameters, and !header cells are off-center, too. Breaks [[Template:Magia_Record_Memoria_Row]] and my [[Template:Magia_Exedra_Stats]]. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

==Usefulness of Template:Pixiv tag and Template:Booru tag==
I noticed we have [[Template:Pixiv tag]] and [[Template:Booru tag]]. The thing is, they haven't really been used on modern articles much, see [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Booru_tag]] and [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Pixiv_tag]]: no Magia Record girls have those on their pages, for one. Additionally, Pixiv is exclusively for fanart, and while Dan/Gelbooru both host official art, they're predominantly fanart repost sites. And, well, they also have a large percentage of NSFW content, which is not suitable for the wiki. Should all characters have those added if possible, or is nuking those better? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 18:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
: Seems like [[User:Amaterasu]] went ahead and removed the tag from some pages? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, I did. It is my view that a wiki like this, in which wording if formal and information is aimed to be official, NSFW and fanworks content should not be linked to unless there is a specific page for fanworks and NSFW content. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 16:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
:It's difficult to type out those tags when searching pixiv (at least for those of us who aren't very familiar with Japanese), so I think it would be convenient to keep them around. I don't know if this also holds for dan/gel booru. But I can also see the desire to not link to unofficial content. I suppose this places me on the fence on this. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

==Broken files?==
I was uploading the Exedra backgrounds with [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/Scripts#Main_Bot_Scripts PyWikiBot]. However, it appears some files ended up broken, namely:
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90170_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90173_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90176_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90179_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90195_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90205_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90237_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90263_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90268_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90274_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90274_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90289_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90289_04.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90289_05.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90297_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90298_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90299_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90305_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90307_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90311_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90311_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90313_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90316_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90317_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90326_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90328_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90328_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90329_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90331_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90333_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90336_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90338_01.png]]
They appear like they have a redlink instead of an image in https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Exedra_Backgrounds&filefrom=Bg+adv+99+90338+01.png#mw-category-media , and it says there that the file is missing. However, trying to upload it again gives me two warnings:
* A file with this name exists already, please check File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png if you are not sure if you want to overwrite it.
* The upload is an exact duplicate of the current version of File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png.
What can be done about it? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
: Sorry about this. You probably have to reupload. We ran out of disk space over the past few hours. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:12, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

==DPL==
Hey, could we get [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList DynamicPageList] extension on this wiki? I think it'd make stuff like story appearances for game characters easier, like [[Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra#Appearances]] would ideally be equal to [[:Category:Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra_Story]], so there's IMO no point in maintaining those lists manually. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
: Done. I haven't changed any configuration options from the default. Let me know if you want me to change one of those. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:08, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
:: Thanks! But now that I did more research, it seeeeeeems I requested the wrong version and I should have asked for [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList3 DPL3] instead... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 19:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::: OK, I've replaced DPL with DPL3. (Also, it looks like mailer is broken again, if I don't respond in a day, feel free to ping via email...) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:24, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::: I've looked over the DPL3 manual (both the official one and the Genshin Impact one that EPF linked) and it is absolutely insane. The way things are done makes no sense whatsoever. I can work with it if it's the only tool available, though… but I kind of wonder if there's an alternative? (For example, writing a module to do the specific thing desired.) It would be nice if I could just write out a template that the page names get substituted into, rather than all sorts of magic separators and non-unicode escape characters. It claims that it "leaves output control completely to the user", but that's not really true – it gives a lot of control, but still forces you into a basic template, and sometimes makes absolutely insane decisions. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::: What kind of template are you trying to make with it? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:53, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::: I was fiddling with the Exedra Character Appearances template and thought maybe I could merge the 3 DPL invocations into one, but that causes a ridiculous explosion of unrelated categories in the listing. I can't imagine why anyone would ever want that result. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::: And now I have no idea why it's inserting redlinks to a non-existent template into the portrait lists… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

== Update the Main Page ==

So the Exedra info on the main page is outdated for a month and I think we should update it constantly
But I don't think I have the permission so it has to be you the admins- [[User:RaviaVee|RaviaVee]] ([[User talk:RaviaVee|talk]]) 16:31, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:I've been working on keeping the news section updated. You ''should'' be able to edit it; it's just the [[News]] page and I don't see any protections on it. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 21:34, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

== New "notice" section ==

Hi all!

I wanted to let you know that I've repurposed the warning we were using when we were updating the Witch cards. It should appear as this in the source:
<blockquote><nowiki>

</nowiki></blockquote>
I encourage you to use it when we do a wiki overhaul of some kind, like we did with the Witch cards. It may not happen often, but it's still useful to have. All you need to do is remove the <nowiki>"</nowiki>" in order to get it to show up.

Have a good day! ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 22:39, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

==Tabbers==

Could we get [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TabberNeue the TabberNeue] extension? Our tabbers are kind of messy, I like their clean look [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 04:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
:What exactly is so messy about them? Other than the problem of the page jumping when you click one. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:43, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Fixed height, and I'm not a fan of their color scheme. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:35, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
: I've added this. Sorry that I didn't notice this until now (wiki mailer is broken again, sigh...) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AdvancedSearch May I ask for this extension as well? Note it has some dependencies... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:22, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

==Link captcha==
Would it be possible to add some sites to the captcha's blacklist? Specifically official sites, other wikis, and if even more specialization than domains would be possible, then maybe also official Twitter accounts and such. It's kinda annoying... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 18:12, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
:Or if it's easier, add some custom interwiki prefixes. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
:: It would be nice if the songs in [[Template:Magia_Exedra_Story_Transcript/Music]] were also exempt... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 11:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::: Actually, I have no idea how that wiki does that, but: https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Full-Stop_Office_(reception)#Trivia https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Scarecrow_Searching_for_Wisdom#Trivia it'd be nice if we had icons for other wikis like this wiki does. I have no idea if it's something that all wikis on wiki.gg have, or some more generalized extension, but still. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:29, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:::: This template https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:Character_icon, perhaps? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:Hm, what kind of CAPTCHA did you see? The Madoka question one? I thought I had exempted autoconfirmed users from all kinds of CAPTCHA, I wonder if some built-in extension added a new permission that I need to disable… -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Yeah, the Madoka question one. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 07:45, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

==Subtitled videos==
Apparently, the Exedra in-game videos come with subtitle files. Do we have anything that would happen to support that...? Videos in themselves are directly .m3u8, but the Exedra wiki's resource source stores them as .webm with separate .vtt files, separate ones for English and Japanese. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:27, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure HTML supports combining a video and subtitles in separate files, but I don't know if MediaWiki does… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:34, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

== Display Title ==

<code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> works only when trying to make the page have different capitalizations of letters in the title, but doesn't work when a different title is put in, which would be very helpful for long page titles like the Exedra Kioku pages, so instead of '''Mami Tomoe in Magia Exedra/Tiro Finale Liberation''' it would be just '''Tiro Finale Liberation'''. I don't fully understand how it works but I mainly understood everything from this page [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle], and its just about a rule that needs to be turned off so different titles work, instead of just throwing them into [[:Category:Pages with ignored display titles]]. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:12, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
: If this worked you could use a substring to show every word from the end until it finds a "/" in the name, automatizing the process. I still don't know why there is a setting to use <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> only to get a different format but same title (<code>$wgAllowDisplayTitle</code>) and then another to use custom titles (the one you mentioned, <code>$wgRestrictDisplayTitle</code>), but there is no use complaining about it. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 22:36, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
:: The whole idea of making the display title different seems suspect to begin with… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

::: Some article names are only "like this" because the concept is ambiguous, like [[Shaft (Witch)]] (since studio Shaft also exists). It's also for capitalizing a title differently, it's in [[lighthouse]] and [[fledge]], since the songs' official EN titles are lowercase. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 08:27, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::For capitalizing differently I suppose it could make sense, though personally I'd prefer to just ignore the "official" capitalization and just do "proper" capitalization everywhere. But I seem to be in the minority on that. Still, making the display title different in other cases still seems suspect. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:01, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

::::: What is the benefit of having Shaft (Witch) appear on top instead of just Shaft? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:51, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::: I also don't know what's "suspicious" about changing the display name. If someone uses it to troll changing the display name to bullshit, you can just undo the edits. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 19:30, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::: What is the benefit of having "Shaft" appear on top when the true title is "Shaft (Witch)"? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
==How to mark edits as bot?==
Yo, so, I've been using PyWikiBot to speed up some stuff, and I gotta ask - how do I mark my edits as botted? I got a token, and named it bot, but my edits under that still don't count. Unless I'd have to make a whole new account for that? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:20, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
:Looks like there's a permission requirement to be able to mark your edits as a bot edit? See [[mw:Manual:Bots|Manual:Bots]]. Also, I think your request is more likely to be seen on [[User talk:0x99]]. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:32, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

==Latin rune font==
Hi so I made a font for the Latin runes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dV38PtXzo8P8Cfb_Ko0g_kismHP4JQfC/view?usp=sharing
Can it be added so I can add it to [[Template:Runes]]?
:Done and thanks! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:51, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Oh lord. I accidentally used G for the P glyph. Here's an updated version that *hopefully* has no errors this time: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NH-wxA-7H10knttc77M-agqparkqIbUX/view?usp=sharing [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:38, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Actually, the old runes.tff font with Modern and Archaic variants has some errors, like the old assumption of Modern P and mirrored 8 ([[Talk:Witch_Runes#Modern_"p"]]), plus it doesn't have the new caret, minus, and cyrillic stuff. But the problem is, it has the unidentified rune in the place of ^: [[:File:Archaic_unidentified.svg]]. Is it fine to substitute the ^? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 10:05, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
::: I doubt there are many places that use the unidentified rune? So I'd say it's probably fine to move it to some other code point and substitute the actual ^ into its proper place. Then if there are places that intentionally used the unidentified rune, you can update them to use the new code point for it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:12, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: I've updated the font. Thanks again! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:07, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

=="AI" Policy==

Does this wiki have an Anti-AI policy yet? It seems, though I have little to substantiate it, that some of the more recent edits by newer users contain emdashes where I doubt a person would put them. Is that something we *want*? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 18:35, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
: If we don't we 100% need them, this is an open wiki where you can sign up and immiedietaly start changing things. I'm FULLY against AI, it has no place in a wiki where it can easily get stuff wrong, and it wont even try to make it obvious when it doesnt know stuff (it will just make stuff up). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:59, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Agreed. We don't want AI-written summaries on this wiki. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:21, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
: I agree that we should. Personally, I don't want any AI-edited content on the wiki. However, I think using it to help with template/CSS/module syntax is acceptable as long as you can fully understand what the code does (don't put a vibe-coded template/CSS/module on the wiki), but I'm willing to set the baseline to what the community wants. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:12, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

== Guys, we need Vector 2022 for unregistered users. ==

It's a skin or appearance. We don't need Vector 2010. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 00:52, 26 August 2026 (UTC)
:I think Citizen might be a better choice if we were to switch, as it natively supports dark mode and has a responsive layout by default. I'm not sure how many active editors are using Vector 2022, but there are a few of us who use Citizen, so it gets more layout fixes than other skins. Dark mode support is almost there, and the responsive layout is kind of working except for a few pages ([[Characters]] remain the most broken one... but at least it has basic dark theme support now). We have to make sure all major pages (all that are linked from the main page and sidebar) are not broken under the new skin before switching, though. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:26, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::I use Vector 2022, and even though I think its better than 2010 (dark mode), its not mobile friendly like Citizen. The problem is, a LOT of templates are just straight up broken on Citizen, like the Magireco unit templates, Kiokus, Memoria, and every characters page like you mentioned. I think its okay to switch to vector 2022 as the default right now, but not citizen. Maybe we should have categories like [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness|Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and [[:Category:Templates with no dark theme awareness|Templates with no dark theme awareness]] but for citizen/all skins. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:51, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
:::I have been going through some of [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness|Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and fixing them (although slowly), so thank you for flagging them. And yes, I think [[:Category:Pages broken under Citizen]], and [[:Category:Pages broken under Vector 2020]] would be nice to have. Let me see if I can make Vector 2022 the default without affecting current users (or I can just switch and people who prefer 2010 can switch to 2010 in their prefs…). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:04, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: EPF actually mentioned most of this on the [[#Wiki logo]] section (I only now found out), and about that section, would you be up for bringing a logo back? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:57, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: Sadly, I no longer have the original Pixelmator file from that era. If we were to update the logo, something like an outline of a Soul Gem might not be a bad idea. I need to brush up on my Illustrator skills, though. Please suggest if you have other ideas! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:23, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: I'm up for trying to draw it, but I would need specifics, like what color should it be, is there a set resolution I should use (or an aspect ratio). For other ideas I have, I think Homura's time shield would look good but its specific to one character so maybe not. The other idea I have, that I think is actually really good, is the [[:File:197 part e storyboard kiss anthony das ewig wiebliche.jpg|Law of Cycles emblem]] ([[:File:220 storyboard epilog akemi homura akuma homura dark orb das ewig wiebliche.jpg|This image]] shows a more one color design of it which would probably be better to recreate). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:07, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: While not for this Wiki, I know the "To The Stars" Wiki uses Madoka's Grief Seed as the emblem of their fictional magical girl union, and for their wiki logo. I'd imagine depending on the skin we set a default we'd want to do 1:1 as the aspect ratio (or at least somewhat close to it; no full wordmarks), have good contrast (so gradients are a no). We can probably do colors but would need to maintain them for both light and dark mode. Could also do something clever with a grief seed in dark mode, a soul gem in light mode? Or would that be too spoilery? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 23:56, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: That said, I did just realize that the runic "modern" font uses a soul gem for "O", and the current wiki name wouldn't allow for the use of it "properly". Hmmm.... I'll upload my current rough drafts [https://i.imgur.com/YU8Z1CP.png here]. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 23:56, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

:::::: I know I'm a little late, but I indeed like to reach an agreement on what the default look should be. I used Vector 2010 because both was the default here and because I'm an old head and I've been using it since forever and before the 2022 version was out. This fact made me do [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Homura_Akemi&diff=prev&oldid=261700 some] [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Sayaka_Miki&diff=prev&oldid=261699 changes] that made sense for me but either didn't for people using other skins or it meant me using some hacks to make it look good in 2010 but were completely unecessary in others.
:::::: As for Citizen, I didn't remember what it was until I switched and I realized it is that skin that I associate with Fandom and that I don't like at all. So personally I would prefer Vector 2022 over Citizen.

::::::: It's actually [https://starcitizen.tools/ Star Citizen's wiki] theme though I guess they may have been inspired by Fandom. But good point on -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:04, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#Default theme]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

== New logo (2026) ==

About the logo, I would like something that were really different from the actual logo. From the drafts posted by HomuraDidNothingWrong, I would say the one at the right with the runes at least. I don't know anything about design so I can only say if something is good or bad but without proposing something different though... [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:49, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
: The logo all depends on what the default skin is, as Vector 2010 has one big logo, while Vector 2022 displays a smaller one next to text (no idea what it would look like on citizen). So if we do move to Vector 2022, I feel like the text logos you (HomuraDidNothingWrong) made would not really work _ _", a simpler Icon would be better. But out of the ones you made my favorite is either the one with runes, or the one where a grief seed is on top of "Wiki". - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:13, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
:For the logo, probably the best way to do this is to have a logo (symbols) and a text mark ("Puella Magi Wiki") so we can compose it per-theme (the current Puella Magi Wiki text make a really bad logo for Citizen). SVG would be nice, or 500x or x500 in one dimension is OK too! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:04, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Maybe the Law of Cycles symbol but instead of the runes its "Puella Magi Wiki"? The runes take up little space so the symbol would probably have to be changed a bit, it could be based off the [[:File:197 part e storyboard kiss anthony das ewig wiebliche.jpg|image in the top left corner here]] and [[:File:Manga Army sign.png|its manga design]] instead. (Though I'm out of being the artist as my skills are way too flat for that much detail) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:26, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

I think that we shouldn't choose a logo based on "does it look good in theme X". It should look good in every theme, even Monobook (though I'm probably the only one using that). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:31, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
: I think the logo is one thing, and the theme is another. I went and tested Citizen and Vector 2022. The latter has a Dark mode setting but it isn't even respected, which is deeply frustrating as the Dark Mode fails the UX contrast requirements (and gives me a headache). What the logo becomes in my mind becomes a question of what the theme will be by default / for everyone. Vector Legacy is my preferred given the above items, but I also know that isn't everyone's choice. All the same, I can see about the LoC Emblem with the Puella Magi Wiki text on it when I get off work today. It'd be vector-based inherently, since I don't like fuzzy pixels. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]])
:: Okay, very laborious edit to get it vectorized. Turns out the wings were asymmetrical, the graphic behind the dharma wheel looks wrong. Here's two versions (light and dark) as an icon (for one theme) and a wordmark-ish one. [[:File:PuellaMagiWiki_LogoSheetDraft_v1_2026_09_04.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 00:15, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::I actually really like it, but apart from the missing details like the little crown on top I think the pink is too pink? In that [[:File:197 part e storyboard kiss anthony das ewig wiebliche.jpg|Rebellion production image]] its WAY more reddish/magenta (I dont care about the galaxy design on it and the background, at most there being too little stripes lol, just the color). Also I think the runes on the bottom designs are both too small, and should be just normal text instead of runes, the runes are cool but not really easy to understand. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:58, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::Same, I really like this! Probably need to tone the pink down a bit (I think the tone should be something around #d70fa1, or #d70f83), and I think the horizontal version works better without a border/background around workmark. But great job overall! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:10, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

Tried to incorporate both 0x99 and Theresa's feedback. I had initially colorpicked from Madoka's hair specifically b/c the Emblem from the Image Note *was* too saturated to use as pure color reference. Tried the request for more spikes on the dharma wheel but it looks incredibly noisy at a distance. Not the biggest fan but I'll concede that point if the consensus is people like it. [[:File:PuellaMagiWiki_Wordmark_Logo_Round2_2026_09_05.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 17:47, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
: It looks even better! I do kinda see your point with the spikes being too much, but I do still think they're better than on the previous draft, maybe its possible to find some balance between both where it doesn't look empty or too full. There are 2 more small details missing, the first is the spike on the bottom, the image note makes it go over the runes, which wouldn't look the best in the 2RA version, but I think it could easily go under the black box. The second is that the circle right before the outer circle is a half-circle, but that's kinda minor and it could be ignored. Also do we need 2 versions for light and dark themes? I know the image is pretty dark so it would clash with the background on dark mode, but I think if a white/some other background is added to the main circle, it wouldn't be that bad? Also that would allow the wings to be purely white instead of the current gray (but they would need some outline probably). This kinda looks like I'm complaining about more than last time ;-; but I promise the current version looks almost ready to use, I just wanna point out everything that can be changed so its as good as it can get. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:07, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Okay so I did try out the detailing on the tail and honestly? The way the bottom ray folds into the "M" is actually pretty good? It visually makes it split *and* that acts as graphical foreshadowing for Rebellion! Also tried to make the wings the same color and do a border of the background color? So it looks "invisible". It's... pretty okay in my opinion. I think my ideal as-is keeps the inverted soul gem "tail", drops the wing border and keeps them gray. Not sure what to do about the background though. [[:File:PMWiki_2RB_v2.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 18:36, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Its coming out really good, I do prefer the A (or light mode) versions, and the wings being outlined would look way different there when barely anything there is white, while on dark mode most of it is white so it kinda clashes. The "tail" looks good, again clashes a bit but I think thats just because the example you uploaded is in dark mode, also the tail in the og symbol ends with a dot like the others, though idk if I'd prefer it with or without (its kinda nice how it just ends without it, puts more focus on the text). I'm still more on the side of keeping only the A versions. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:30, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: If we have a dark mode *at all* in any theme we really should support both. That choice is far above my head though. The light mode variant looks pretty good though with or without the dot. My preference is without. The wings in gray look far closer to "normal" than a purer white does. [[:File:PMWiki_2RB_v2_White_Alts.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 19:42, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: Okay I went into some art program and tried stuff out. I tried to make the wings white and yeah it looked kinda bad... Fine Ill let it go T^T. I also don't like just how light the wings are on the dark version, maybe they should be darkened there? (though I tried and it didnt look that good either _ _" Im stumped). But ignoring dark mode... There are 3 more changes I can think of, two I have an image for. Those 2 are, the color, as I think its kinda too magenta? I know I said magenta but its kinda too purple, and the "tip" of the "tail" being behind the box, this keeps that rebellion symbolism of Madoka being teared apart, but also makes it look nicer imo. The third I didnt draw is there being less lines in the main circle, like we said before, but I think this isnt necessary. ''Ignoring dark mode'' I think that would make the logo ready for the wiki. (Okay my color looks too pink now... Idk this is annoying T-T, I dont wanna upload it again because it will probably not update fast enough so I think better colors than the ones I made on that image are {{Color|#d43472|#d43472}} for the darker and {{Color|#f858a3|#f858a3}} for the lighter) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:15, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: We could always be a little goofy and just make the "Dark Mode" the Dark Orb's Deal emblem with the same style wordmark instead, for Homura, and just make light mode "pink" accented, and dark mode "purple" accented. That said, I'm inclined to advocate for "RB_v2_light", and I swapped to your proposed colors. Will upload the SVG here. [[:File:PMWIki_LOC_Logo_Light_v1.svg]] Any thoughts [[User:0x99]]? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 20:51, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: That would be really cool but probably harder, with how much [[:File:Rebellion Image Note 218.jpg|curves her emblem has]], also no clear place to put the Puella Magi Wiki text unlike the LoC emblem. We should probably stick to the dark mode ver you made unless you do want to go through more labor lol. Also for when 0x99 gets here, could we also use this as the icon for the website? Like the icons that show up on the page tabs on browsers, right now we have just a basic P. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 23:55, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Oh the favicon? I don't even see one as-is (Firefox on Windows), but it would be nice to have a favicon, yeah. As to a dark mode version, I'll need to upload it still, but I'm holding off on another round of edits until 0x99 signs off on it before I make another. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 00:53, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

==== New Logo Revisions & Editions ====

So now that it's in place, it looks *mostly* okay. Subjectively it looks the best as-is in MonoBook, but that isn't what folks are using I suspect. What versions do you need specifically for Vector 2022 and Citizen to make it work best? I assume light and dark modes yes but emblem, wordmark, both? I think the "right" move would be a combined seal wordmark, but I have no idea what admin-side options exist for use and want it to be a consistent(-ish) user experience.

As a small aside, I'd like to understand why Vector (2022) doesn't respect my Light mode / Dark mode setting at all, and forces it to Dark Mode.... I suspect [https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/issues/1272 this] might be related as we do have both Citizen and Vector 2022 but I'm not 100% sure. With the assumption that we'll be using the LoC seal variant for all items, let me know what wordmark or logo variants you need 0x99.

(Making a new section for the sake of my sanity, the conversation got pretty deep last time.)

EDIT: Did two "very wide" versions intended for Vector 2022 for light and dark mode. Uploaded them here. [[:File:PMWiki_LOC_Wordmark_Dark_v1.svg]] [[:File:PMWiki_LOC_Wordmark_Light_v1.svg]][[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 05:58, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:Thanks for this. I think it generally looks good across Citizen, Vector 2010, and Vector 2022 (with both light and dark), but we might want to separate the ("Puella Magi Wiki") wordmark out of the logo (see: [[:mw:Manual:$wgLogos]] for Citizen and Vector. So the variant are:
:*logo (for Vector legacy) combined icon+wordmark (current)
:*icon (emblem only without wordmark)
:*wordmark (text only)
:I can generate favicon from the icon.
:As for theme, I plan to upgrade MediaWiki later this week (so the traffic dries down a bit) before the spoilers lift. Few extensions are stuck on an old version because of MediaWiki version lock . Hopefully Vector 2022 will be fixed when I upgrade. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:09, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:: Okay, will see about making these tomorrow so we have total coverage. Still, wild to see something I made in the corner. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 06:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Amazing job and thank you! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:15, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
: I don't see the bug you mention with Dark and Light mode in Vector 2022, but if it's fixed with an update then good for you.
:And going back to the topic... well shit, I saw the conversation above before and said "I'll respond tomorrow", and today I open the site with the icon... I was going to say that the color still seems too... light? Pink-ish? (specially in Dark Mode) And that maybe we could follow the "Homura ripping Madoka" theme and maybe add some purple/dark purple at the ends (or at least to the bottom center one). I read above that gradients could be a problem though. About the different emblems for light and dark theme, it sounds very good. I understand however that this seems basically making another from scratch. Also, I understand if I'm just saying things and if I'm saying it later after the icon was already changed and that maybe it is too much of a hassle to change it back. There should be no problem with generating a small .ico from it. Also also, for the next time, can we select one or several files and upload the propositions there as new versions? You could get lost switching from files to files and not knowing what version you are even replying to. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#New logo]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

====Background====
Since we're talking about the favicon and logo, I wanna suggest we use these for the background.

Light mode:
* [[:File:Kv petal sp.png]]

Dark mode:
* [[:File:Eff 113801 dot 01.png]] (not really sold on this but if we're keeping the godoka vs akuma theme)
* There's also these but I can't see an elegant way to use them unless they're dimmed out or something: [[:File:Eff 113801 repeat 01.png]], [[:File:Eff 113801 dml ozomashii 01.png]], [[:File:Eff tex darkBG 01 TH.png]].

Header and footer:
* If we're doing a header and footer these can be used on the background of every page. Maybe one of them can be flipped to be used as footer.
* [[:File:Kv lace sp.png]]
* [[:File:Kv lace pc.png]]

I also think having a background color other than white would be a good idea. Like a very soft pastel, kinda like how dark mode doesn't use completely black, but dark grey. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:26, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
: I can see the petals, but the dots for the dark mode seem... weird? I would have to see them in action. Same for the headers and footers, although maybe they look better. I'm neutral for the background color changes. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:: I'm not against keeping the petals for dark mode too, but I don't know if they're transparent or just really pale. If we can use a dimmed version, this pattern repeats well: [[:File:Eff 113801 repeat 01.png]]. I'm okay with either or, though I was inspired by how the Magia Exedra wiki has done their styling. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:26, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:Not sure what would be the best way to do this; Exedra Wiki seems to do this via [[MediaWiki:Common.css]], Stardew Wiki seems to do this as an extension (and lock the entire site to Vector). Maintenance wise, Common.css is probably the best way to go. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 09:48, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I was thinking that adding it in general classes in Common.css would be the way. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:51, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#Background]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Ok, the logo is replaced. What about the unregistered users have Vector 2010 skin? They need Vector 2022 skin. Vector 2022 is better than Vector 2010. And some users who are registered want the skin Minerva, it's not here. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 19:04, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

2026-09-06T19:04:59Z

Belankt294842:

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*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1]] (January 18, 2011–February 27, 2011)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2]] (February 28, 2011-April 25, 2011)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3]] (April 25, 2011-March 14, 2012)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4]] (March 15, 2012-April 27, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5]] (April 27, 2017–September 19, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6]] (September 20, 2017–September 16, 2023)
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== Main Page cleanup ==

I've taken the liberty to clean up the Main Page styling a little. It's using the same layout as before, but with more consistent spacing/etc. so it looks a lot less cluttered. It's also now and a lot less broken when viewing on a mobile phone. Adding/removing columns should now be a lot less insane. I'm unsure what to do with the News/Wishlist links, though, since they haven't been updated for quite a long time. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

: The News page could probably be updated by trawling the Main Page edit history, and maybe adding other bits if you can think of them. With some work it could even be arranged so that it's the ''source'' of the news on the main page (wrapping the lines that should be on the main page in <nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki> tags). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

:: Good idea. I'll find some time to do it. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

:: I did this, seems to work great. Now to populate 2015 to 2021... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

::: That's slightly different from my thought, but it's probably easier to work with this way anyway. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

== Main visual ==

Would it be worthwhile to add the Scene0 main visual to the main page, too? I think a tabber would work for the desktop view, and on mobile there should be enough space to add it below Rising's. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
: I've made some adjustments, what do you think? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:: I'm not sure… I've been so used to seeing the name beside the key visual and now it's moved below it… I can't find any real complaints though… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
::: OK, let's try again. What about this one? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:::: Oooh, I like it! Thanks [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

==Not sure where to put this==

So... I'm not sure why I'm not an autoconfirmed user, but I don't know where to put this question? -- [[User talk:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]]
:I think you may need to wait few more hours. Autoconfirm is set to 3 edits and 7 days from the date of registration. From what I see, you should get autoconfirmed today (Nov 7) at 20:18:23 (UTC) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you! I didn't realize it was so exact. :) [[User:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]] ([[User talk:ReiAyanami|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Sorry for this, we used to have a lot of spam back in the day (who made a few edits to get autoconfirmed then proceeded on creating an SEO spam page). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 21:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

== Future of Fanworks ==

'''(This was originally on my talk page but I have moved it here as it concerns the whole wiki.)''' While not an official Wiki, this is a Wiki for official content. Outside of personal OC's on the user's pages, is there a reason to include fanworks on the wiki? Fan roleplays have long since died, and many games are likely dead due to flash player shutting down. Is there a reason to have them? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 17:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
:I think it's best to keep what we have now as an archive rather than remove it since they were a part of the fanbase during the early days. We keep [[Poorfag]]'s page up for a reason since it was a meme thing and it doesn't interfere with official pages much like OCs on our user pages. As long as they're kept separate from the official stuff, I think it's ok. I believe you can still play the games even though flash player shut down, I remember there being a big project to archive and make old flash games playable when the shut down was initially announced. -[[User:The Witch's House|The Witch's House]] ([[User talk:The Witch's House|talk]]) 02:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
::I'm also very much agree with this. For a more early meme and such we could make a banner that this was part of the community in the early days and are no longer updated. For ongoing content such as [[Fanworks]] I think the list of games/media/crossover are still worth keeping (and possibly updating). --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

== GunsGirlZ Crossover ==

So I have been just looking around the wiki, and I stumbled across the crossover page! I read it, expecting it to have the GGZ collab in it... but it wasn't there? I was wondering if it just hadn't been added yet, or if theres a reason that it hasn't been! The GGZ collab is probably my favorite PMMM collab, with the battle cats coming in second :P

[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]]) 17:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)♥
:Honestly it just hasnt been updated. you're more than welcome to add the info if you'd like (I dont play it unfortunately but it looked cute!)[[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 21:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

::I can't see anything about the crossover on the page you linked to. You should link not to the other wiki's main page but to a page actually talking about the crossover. Otherwise there's no point in adding the link at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that. The link broke... Sadly since the computer I use is limited by my school I can't fix the link,, I'm sorry haha
[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]])♥

:Looks like someone else fixed it for you, so it's okay. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

== Tweets ==

I think maybe we should work out a consistent policy on tweets. There are currently 711 tweets and 2 twitter profile icons linked from across the wiki (see list [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://mobile.twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://*.twimg.com}}&namespace= here]), and they're often used as references, or even image links. The trouble with this is that tweets are inherently transitory. A link to a tweet is liable to go dead at any time, and indeed at least one of the tweeters commonly linked to (GAN) has a habit of deleting old tweets. Twitter icons are even worse for linking to – they're ''guaranteed'' to go dead after an unknown amount of time. We should just ''not'' link to them ever. Uploading one as a reference is fine if it seems useful, though.

If tweets are to be used as references, I think it would be better to archive them (perhaps on the [[Tweets]] page or a similar page), and all other places then link to there instead. Of course, that can still link back to the original tweet (if it still exists). For tweets that include unique images, especially when the image is used as a source for example to determine a character's hair or eye colour, that image should be uploaded to the wiki so it's not lost. I think there are already some that have been lost, and I hope it may be possible to find them somehow.

(I do think including all images that core people tweet related to the franchise is a little excessive though. GAN in particular tends to tweet inapproprate out-of-character fanart which in my opinion often doesn't add much if anything of value to the relevant wiki pages. See [[Talk:GAN#"Official Fanart" Pruning|separate discussion]] on this.)

For tweets that include non-unique images, it's probably good enough to add a brief note that there were images and, in some cases, maybe link to similar images that already exist on the wiki.

~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

: I agree with this, especially now that you cannot view replies/some tweets with images without logging in. As for archiving, though, I'm not sure if we should archive them on a separate page, or do it as ref (similar to [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Scene 0#References]]). The initial intention of the [[Tweets]] page was for Tweets that are primary content (Urobuchi/Miyamoto's off-hand remarks about things). I think episodic content on that page should probably be moved into each episodes, but for reference I feel like <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> may be a better option. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:: For purely text tweets, or tweets that just threw in a random image, yeah, I think they could probably be squeezed into a reference. Would definitely make sense to have a template for that still. For tweets that are primarily an image maybe with a comment, if the image is deemed relevant I think it should be uploaded (which is what's been done for ''most'' of GAN's images). The tweet's text could be put in the image's caption, or added as a reference from the image's caption. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

== Captcha ==
The wiki has its own captcha system that asks questions about MadoMagi, used for instance when you're trying to add an external link. One of those questions is about the latest social game. It'll probably need to be updated soon, given MagiReco is about to end its service and MagiEx will soon release [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 06:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
: I've replaced all Magia Record-related questions with the Walpurgisnacht movie instead. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:: The movie isn't "upcoming" anymore, so one of the questions is inaccurate now [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 07:43, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Fixed. Thanks for this. I got a lot of fun CAPTCHAs out of WR, hope to put them up there one day (not soon) :P -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:53, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

== Sidebar ==

How do we edit the sidebar? I'm asking because I think we should add Madoka Magica Plus and Magia Exedra to the "Games" section. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 11:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
:It can be edited at [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 11:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

== Games ==

The section is already cluttered as it is, but I feel like I should ask about the possible inclusion of the slot/arcade games. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 03:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
: Perhaps we can break down the section further, e.g.
:; Titles
::; Mainline
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica (Manga, LN, Compilation)
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Rebellion (Manga)
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Walpurgis no Kaiten
::; Side Story
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Homura's Revenge!
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Different Story
:::* Puella Magi Homura Tamura
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Wraith Arc
:::* Puella Magi Kazumi Magica
:::* Puella Magi Oriko Magica (Extra Story, Sadness Prayer)
:::* Puella Magi Suzune Magica
:::* Puella Magi Tart Magica
:::* Null Magical Girl
::; Compilation
:::* Manga Time Kirara Magica
:;Games
::; PC/Smartphone
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Magia Exedra
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story: Magia Record (Manga, Anime)
::; Mobile
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobage
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Plus
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobcast
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Online
::; Console
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable
:Not sure what's the best categorization we can do here, but I think this should allow more items in the section without looking too overwhelming. Thoughts? --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::I just realized you meant the sidebar (oops). I guess we could likely do the same, breaking the Games section into PC/Smartphone, Mobile, Console, and Arcade? --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I like that idea. Maybe we can keep the "Official Games" section, and add an "Arcade" section under it (are subsections possible in this format? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
It definitely needs something, and alphabetical or by release year would be nice because as it is it's hard to find which one you're looking for with so many. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 00:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:I'm currently trying to have it sorted by release order, but there may be some errors in it. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
: I think the plan to have every game be in the sidebar is incredibly misguided. I'd prefer to have only the most prominent ones listed, and then maybe an "Other" link at the bottom. Perhaps multiple "Other" links if there are strong categories. Right now it is just terribly cluttered up with what seem to me like minor games. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
::I see your point. Maybe we can discuss what we think is a necessary game to include? For now, I think we can cut out Madoka iP, Madoka Flash, Madoka Puzzle of Memory and Madoka Magical Coin. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 14:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
:: Side note: This probably should've been discussed on [[Mediawiki talk:Sidebar]] instead? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

==Wiki logo==
The wiki used to have a fancier header logo, as seen https://web.archive.org/web/20170703125702/http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Poorfag https://web.archive.org/web/20170706032551im_/https://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/header.jpg here. What happened? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

: This used to be a skin of the old Vector theme called "Magica". It was done as a skin rather than Common.css for a few reasons, one to avoid breakage when user opt for other themes (Monobook theme was still used by some people back when we used to hang out in #madoka @ Rizon), and another was due to that we needed to modify some gradient background PNG to have a proper transparent (very subtle: [https://web.archive.org/web/20170706021652im_/https://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/tab-current-fade.png magica's tab-current-fade.png] vs [https://web.archive.org/web/20120410121109im_/http://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/vector/images/tab-current-fade.png vector's tab-current-fade.png]).
: Sadly, this broke during an upgrade to MediaWiki 1.39 in 2018 due to the Vector theme subsystem changes, and I no longer have the original Pixelmator file that I used to create the original one, so it never gets ported. (Vector is also quite a moving target which no backward compatibility guarantee, so we probably shouldn't be basing a skin on it.) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

:: While we're on this topic of a fancy skin, [[mw:Skin:Citizen]] is also pretty nice and would help with the "sidebar becoming too long" issue we're having (by turning it into a menu instead). Not sure how much we can customize it, though. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

::: I've now enabled Citizen skin, which can be turned on via [[Special:Preferences]], but as nothing in the Wiki has color preference awareness (dark/light), it's pretty broken in dark mode. --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:::: I've started collecting pages and templates that are especially egregious on Citizen and Vector 2022 dark modes. Those are [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and [[:Category:Templates with no dark theme awareness]]. Some of those are easy fixes that surmount to "remove #fff from template", but pages like [[Witch Runes]], [[Template:Magia Exedra Battle Icon]] or [[Template:Magia Exedra Role Icon]] depend on images in specific color (the first in black, the second in white but inverted with css). I don't know how to make CSS that takes note of whether a theme is a Light Mode or a Dark Mode one (so that I can implement appropriate color inverts). Additionally, many pages like [[Isabeau]] use non-template spoiler boxes that start with "Warning, this section contains spoilers.". Can we nuke that non-Template template? It's a wiki, of course it'll contain spoilers. What's considered a spoiler changes over the years anyway, glasses Homura was a huge spoiler when episode 10(?) dropped, but she was a release unit in Magia Record, for instance. It's utterly pointless trying to determine what is and isn't a spoiler. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: Oh, also, is there any way to change Citizen's code? It consistently ignores my width:100% table parameters, and !header cells are off-center, too. Breaks [[Template:Magia_Record_Memoria_Row]] and my [[Template:Magia_Exedra_Stats]]. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

==Usefulness of Template:Pixiv tag and Template:Booru tag==
I noticed we have [[Template:Pixiv tag]] and [[Template:Booru tag]]. The thing is, they haven't really been used on modern articles much, see [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Booru_tag]] and [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Pixiv_tag]]: no Magia Record girls have those on their pages, for one. Additionally, Pixiv is exclusively for fanart, and while Dan/Gelbooru both host official art, they're predominantly fanart repost sites. And, well, they also have a large percentage of NSFW content, which is not suitable for the wiki. Should all characters have those added if possible, or is nuking those better? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 18:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
: Seems like [[User:Amaterasu]] went ahead and removed the tag from some pages? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, I did. It is my view that a wiki like this, in which wording if formal and information is aimed to be official, NSFW and fanworks content should not be linked to unless there is a specific page for fanworks and NSFW content. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 16:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
:It's difficult to type out those tags when searching pixiv (at least for those of us who aren't very familiar with Japanese), so I think it would be convenient to keep them around. I don't know if this also holds for dan/gel booru. But I can also see the desire to not link to unofficial content. I suppose this places me on the fence on this. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

==Broken files?==
I was uploading the Exedra backgrounds with [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/Scripts#Main_Bot_Scripts PyWikiBot]. However, it appears some files ended up broken, namely:
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90170_03.png]]
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* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90176_02.png]]
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* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_03.png]]
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* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90316_01.png]]
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* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90328_03.png]]
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They appear like they have a redlink instead of an image in https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Exedra_Backgrounds&filefrom=Bg+adv+99+90338+01.png#mw-category-media , and it says there that the file is missing. However, trying to upload it again gives me two warnings:
* A file with this name exists already, please check File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png if you are not sure if you want to overwrite it.
* The upload is an exact duplicate of the current version of File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png.
What can be done about it? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
: Sorry about this. You probably have to reupload. We ran out of disk space over the past few hours. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:12, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

==DPL==
Hey, could we get [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList DynamicPageList] extension on this wiki? I think it'd make stuff like story appearances for game characters easier, like [[Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra#Appearances]] would ideally be equal to [[:Category:Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra_Story]], so there's IMO no point in maintaining those lists manually. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
: Done. I haven't changed any configuration options from the default. Let me know if you want me to change one of those. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:08, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
:: Thanks! But now that I did more research, it seeeeeeems I requested the wrong version and I should have asked for [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList3 DPL3] instead... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 19:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::: OK, I've replaced DPL with DPL3. (Also, it looks like mailer is broken again, if I don't respond in a day, feel free to ping via email...) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:24, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::: I've looked over the DPL3 manual (both the official one and the Genshin Impact one that EPF linked) and it is absolutely insane. The way things are done makes no sense whatsoever. I can work with it if it's the only tool available, though… but I kind of wonder if there's an alternative? (For example, writing a module to do the specific thing desired.) It would be nice if I could just write out a template that the page names get substituted into, rather than all sorts of magic separators and non-unicode escape characters. It claims that it "leaves output control completely to the user", but that's not really true – it gives a lot of control, but still forces you into a basic template, and sometimes makes absolutely insane decisions. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::: What kind of template are you trying to make with it? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:53, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::: I was fiddling with the Exedra Character Appearances template and thought maybe I could merge the 3 DPL invocations into one, but that causes a ridiculous explosion of unrelated categories in the listing. I can't imagine why anyone would ever want that result. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::: And now I have no idea why it's inserting redlinks to a non-existent template into the portrait lists… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

== Update the Main Page ==

So the Exedra info on the main page is outdated for a month and I think we should update it constantly
But I don't think I have the permission so it has to be you the admins- [[User:RaviaVee|RaviaVee]] ([[User talk:RaviaVee|talk]]) 16:31, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:I've been working on keeping the news section updated. You ''should'' be able to edit it; it's just the [[News]] page and I don't see any protections on it. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 21:34, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

== New "notice" section ==

Hi all!

I wanted to let you know that I've repurposed the warning we were using when we were updating the Witch cards. It should appear as this in the source:
<blockquote><nowiki>

</nowiki></blockquote>
I encourage you to use it when we do a wiki overhaul of some kind, like we did with the Witch cards. It may not happen often, but it's still useful to have. All you need to do is remove the <nowiki>"</nowiki>" in order to get it to show up.

Have a good day! ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 22:39, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

==Tabbers==

Could we get [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TabberNeue the TabberNeue] extension? Our tabbers are kind of messy, I like their clean look [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 04:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
:What exactly is so messy about them? Other than the problem of the page jumping when you click one. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:43, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Fixed height, and I'm not a fan of their color scheme. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:35, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
: I've added this. Sorry that I didn't notice this until now (wiki mailer is broken again, sigh...) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AdvancedSearch May I ask for this extension as well? Note it has some dependencies... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:22, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

==Link captcha==
Would it be possible to add some sites to the captcha's blacklist? Specifically official sites, other wikis, and if even more specialization than domains would be possible, then maybe also official Twitter accounts and such. It's kinda annoying... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 18:12, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
:Or if it's easier, add some custom interwiki prefixes. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
:: It would be nice if the songs in [[Template:Magia_Exedra_Story_Transcript/Music]] were also exempt... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 11:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::: Actually, I have no idea how that wiki does that, but: https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Full-Stop_Office_(reception)#Trivia https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Scarecrow_Searching_for_Wisdom#Trivia it'd be nice if we had icons for other wikis like this wiki does. I have no idea if it's something that all wikis on wiki.gg have, or some more generalized extension, but still. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:29, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:::: This template https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:Character_icon, perhaps? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:Hm, what kind of CAPTCHA did you see? The Madoka question one? I thought I had exempted autoconfirmed users from all kinds of CAPTCHA, I wonder if some built-in extension added a new permission that I need to disable… -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Yeah, the Madoka question one. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 07:45, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

==Subtitled videos==
Apparently, the Exedra in-game videos come with subtitle files. Do we have anything that would happen to support that...? Videos in themselves are directly .m3u8, but the Exedra wiki's resource source stores them as .webm with separate .vtt files, separate ones for English and Japanese. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:27, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure HTML supports combining a video and subtitles in separate files, but I don't know if MediaWiki does… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:34, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

== Display Title ==

<code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> works only when trying to make the page have different capitalizations of letters in the title, but doesn't work when a different title is put in, which would be very helpful for long page titles like the Exedra Kioku pages, so instead of '''Mami Tomoe in Magia Exedra/Tiro Finale Liberation''' it would be just '''Tiro Finale Liberation'''. I don't fully understand how it works but I mainly understood everything from this page [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle], and its just about a rule that needs to be turned off so different titles work, instead of just throwing them into [[:Category:Pages with ignored display titles]]. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:12, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
: If this worked you could use a substring to show every word from the end until it finds a "/" in the name, automatizing the process. I still don't know why there is a setting to use <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> only to get a different format but same title (<code>$wgAllowDisplayTitle</code>) and then another to use custom titles (the one you mentioned, <code>$wgRestrictDisplayTitle</code>), but there is no use complaining about it. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 22:36, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
:: The whole idea of making the display title different seems suspect to begin with… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

::: Some article names are only "like this" because the concept is ambiguous, like [[Shaft (Witch)]] (since studio Shaft also exists). It's also for capitalizing a title differently, it's in [[lighthouse]] and [[fledge]], since the songs' official EN titles are lowercase. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 08:27, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::For capitalizing differently I suppose it could make sense, though personally I'd prefer to just ignore the "official" capitalization and just do "proper" capitalization everywhere. But I seem to be in the minority on that. Still, making the display title different in other cases still seems suspect. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:01, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

::::: What is the benefit of having Shaft (Witch) appear on top instead of just Shaft? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:51, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::: I also don't know what's "suspicious" about changing the display name. If someone uses it to troll changing the display name to bullshit, you can just undo the edits. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 19:30, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::: What is the benefit of having "Shaft" appear on top when the true title is "Shaft (Witch)"? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
==How to mark edits as bot?==
Yo, so, I've been using PyWikiBot to speed up some stuff, and I gotta ask - how do I mark my edits as botted? I got a token, and named it bot, but my edits under that still don't count. Unless I'd have to make a whole new account for that? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:20, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
:Looks like there's a permission requirement to be able to mark your edits as a bot edit? See [[mw:Manual:Bots|Manual:Bots]]. Also, I think your request is more likely to be seen on [[User talk:0x99]]. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:32, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

==Latin rune font==
Hi so I made a font for the Latin runes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dV38PtXzo8P8Cfb_Ko0g_kismHP4JQfC/view?usp=sharing
Can it be added so I can add it to [[Template:Runes]]?
:Done and thanks! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:51, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Oh lord. I accidentally used G for the P glyph. Here's an updated version that *hopefully* has no errors this time: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NH-wxA-7H10knttc77M-agqparkqIbUX/view?usp=sharing [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:38, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Actually, the old runes.tff font with Modern and Archaic variants has some errors, like the old assumption of Modern P and mirrored 8 ([[Talk:Witch_Runes#Modern_"p"]]), plus it doesn't have the new caret, minus, and cyrillic stuff. But the problem is, it has the unidentified rune in the place of ^: [[:File:Archaic_unidentified.svg]]. Is it fine to substitute the ^? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 10:05, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
::: I doubt there are many places that use the unidentified rune? So I'd say it's probably fine to move it to some other code point and substitute the actual ^ into its proper place. Then if there are places that intentionally used the unidentified rune, you can update them to use the new code point for it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:12, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: I've updated the font. Thanks again! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:07, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

=="AI" Policy==

Does this wiki have an Anti-AI policy yet? It seems, though I have little to substantiate it, that some of the more recent edits by newer users contain emdashes where I doubt a person would put them. Is that something we *want*? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 18:35, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
: If we don't we 100% need them, this is an open wiki where you can sign up and immiedietaly start changing things. I'm FULLY against AI, it has no place in a wiki where it can easily get stuff wrong, and it wont even try to make it obvious when it doesnt know stuff (it will just make stuff up). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:59, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Agreed. We don't want AI-written summaries on this wiki. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:21, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
: I agree that we should. Personally, I don't want any AI-edited content on the wiki. However, I think using it to help with template/CSS/module syntax is acceptable as long as you can fully understand what the code does (don't put a vibe-coded template/CSS/module on the wiki), but I'm willing to set the baseline to what the community wants. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:12, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

== Guys, we need Vector 2022 for unregistered users. ==

It's a skin or appearance. We don't need Vector 2010. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 00:52, 26 August 2026 (UTC)
:I think Citizen might be a better choice if we were to switch, as it natively supports dark mode and has a responsive layout by default. I'm not sure how many active editors are using Vector 2022, but there are a few of us who use Citizen, so it gets more layout fixes than other skins. Dark mode support is almost there, and the responsive layout is kind of working except for a few pages ([[Characters]] remain the most broken one... but at least it has basic dark theme support now). We have to make sure all major pages (all that are linked from the main page and sidebar) are not broken under the new skin before switching, though. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:26, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::I use Vector 2022, and even though I think its better than 2010 (dark mode), its not mobile friendly like Citizen. The problem is, a LOT of templates are just straight up broken on Citizen, like the Magireco unit templates, Kiokus, Memoria, and every characters page like you mentioned. I think its okay to switch to vector 2022 as the default right now, but not citizen. Maybe we should have categories like [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness|Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and [[:Category:Templates with no dark theme awareness|Templates with no dark theme awareness]] but for citizen/all skins. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:51, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
:::I have been going through some of [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness|Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and fixing them (although slowly), so thank you for flagging them. And yes, I think [[:Category:Pages broken under Citizen]], and [[:Category:Pages broken under Vector 2020]] would be nice to have. Let me see if I can make Vector 2022 the default without affecting current users (or I can just switch and people who prefer 2010 can switch to 2010 in their prefs…). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:04, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: EPF actually mentioned most of this on the [[#Wiki logo]] section (I only now found out), and about that section, would you be up for bringing a logo back? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:57, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: Sadly, I no longer have the original Pixelmator file from that era. If we were to update the logo, something like an outline of a Soul Gem might not be a bad idea. I need to brush up on my Illustrator skills, though. Please suggest if you have other ideas! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:23, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: I'm up for trying to draw it, but I would need specifics, like what color should it be, is there a set resolution I should use (or an aspect ratio). For other ideas I have, I think Homura's time shield would look good but its specific to one character so maybe not. The other idea I have, that I think is actually really good, is the [[:File:197 part e storyboard kiss anthony das ewig wiebliche.jpg|Law of Cycles emblem]] ([[:File:220 storyboard epilog akemi homura akuma homura dark orb das ewig wiebliche.jpg|This image]] shows a more one color design of it which would probably be better to recreate). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:07, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: While not for this Wiki, I know the "To The Stars" Wiki uses Madoka's Grief Seed as the emblem of their fictional magical girl union, and for their wiki logo. I'd imagine depending on the skin we set a default we'd want to do 1:1 as the aspect ratio (or at least somewhat close to it; no full wordmarks), have good contrast (so gradients are a no). We can probably do colors but would need to maintain them for both light and dark mode. Could also do something clever with a grief seed in dark mode, a soul gem in light mode? Or would that be too spoilery? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 23:56, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: That said, I did just realize that the runic "modern" font uses a soul gem for "O", and the current wiki name wouldn't allow for the use of it "properly". Hmmm.... I'll upload my current rough drafts [https://i.imgur.com/YU8Z1CP.png here]. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 23:56, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

:::::: I know I'm a little late, but I indeed like to reach an agreement on what the default look should be. I used Vector 2010 because both was the default here and because I'm an old head and I've been using it since forever and before the 2022 version was out. This fact made me do [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Homura_Akemi&diff=prev&oldid=261700 some] [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Sayaka_Miki&diff=prev&oldid=261699 changes] that made sense for me but either didn't for people using other skins or it meant me using some hacks to make it look good in 2010 but were completely unecessary in others.
:::::: As for Citizen, I didn't remember what it was until I switched and I realized it is that skin that I associate with Fandom and that I don't like at all. So personally I would prefer Vector 2022 over Citizen.

::::::: It's actually [https://starcitizen.tools/ Star Citizen's wiki] theme though I guess they may have been inspired by Fandom. But good point on -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:04, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#Default theme]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

== New logo (2026) ==

About the logo, I would like something that were really different from the actual logo. From the drafts posted by HomuraDidNothingWrong, I would say the one at the right with the runes at least. I don't know anything about design so I can only say if something is good or bad but without proposing something different though... [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:49, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
: The logo all depends on what the default skin is, as Vector 2010 has one big logo, while Vector 2022 displays a smaller one next to text (no idea what it would look like on citizen). So if we do move to Vector 2022, I feel like the text logos you (HomuraDidNothingWrong) made would not really work _ _", a simpler Icon would be better. But out of the ones you made my favorite is either the one with runes, or the one where a grief seed is on top of "Wiki". - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:13, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
:For the logo, probably the best way to do this is to have a logo (symbols) and a text mark ("Puella Magi Wiki") so we can compose it per-theme (the current Puella Magi Wiki text make a really bad logo for Citizen). SVG would be nice, or 500x or x500 in one dimension is OK too! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:04, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Maybe the Law of Cycles symbol but instead of the runes its "Puella Magi Wiki"? The runes take up little space so the symbol would probably have to be changed a bit, it could be based off the [[:File:197 part e storyboard kiss anthony das ewig wiebliche.jpg|image in the top left corner here]] and [[:File:Manga Army sign.png|its manga design]] instead. (Though I'm out of being the artist as my skills are way too flat for that much detail) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:26, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

I think that we shouldn't choose a logo based on "does it look good in theme X". It should look good in every theme, even Monobook (though I'm probably the only one using that). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:31, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
: I think the logo is one thing, and the theme is another. I went and tested Citizen and Vector 2022. The latter has a Dark mode setting but it isn't even respected, which is deeply frustrating as the Dark Mode fails the UX contrast requirements (and gives me a headache). What the logo becomes in my mind becomes a question of what the theme will be by default / for everyone. Vector Legacy is my preferred given the above items, but I also know that isn't everyone's choice. All the same, I can see about the LoC Emblem with the Puella Magi Wiki text on it when I get off work today. It'd be vector-based inherently, since I don't like fuzzy pixels. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]])
:: Okay, very laborious edit to get it vectorized. Turns out the wings were asymmetrical, the graphic behind the dharma wheel looks wrong. Here's two versions (light and dark) as an icon (for one theme) and a wordmark-ish one. [[:File:PuellaMagiWiki_LogoSheetDraft_v1_2026_09_04.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 00:15, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::I actually really like it, but apart from the missing details like the little crown on top I think the pink is too pink? In that [[:File:197 part e storyboard kiss anthony das ewig wiebliche.jpg|Rebellion production image]] its WAY more reddish/magenta (I dont care about the galaxy design on it and the background, at most there being too little stripes lol, just the color). Also I think the runes on the bottom designs are both too small, and should be just normal text instead of runes, the runes are cool but not really easy to understand. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:58, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::Same, I really like this! Probably need to tone the pink down a bit (I think the tone should be something around #d70fa1, or #d70f83), and I think the horizontal version works better without a border/background around workmark. But great job overall! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:10, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

Tried to incorporate both 0x99 and Theresa's feedback. I had initially colorpicked from Madoka's hair specifically b/c the Emblem from the Image Note *was* too saturated to use as pure color reference. Tried the request for more spikes on the dharma wheel but it looks incredibly noisy at a distance. Not the biggest fan but I'll concede that point if the consensus is people like it. [[:File:PuellaMagiWiki_Wordmark_Logo_Round2_2026_09_05.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 17:47, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
: It looks even better! I do kinda see your point with the spikes being too much, but I do still think they're better than on the previous draft, maybe its possible to find some balance between both where it doesn't look empty or too full. There are 2 more small details missing, the first is the spike on the bottom, the image note makes it go over the runes, which wouldn't look the best in the 2RA version, but I think it could easily go under the black box. The second is that the circle right before the outer circle is a half-circle, but that's kinda minor and it could be ignored. Also do we need 2 versions for light and dark themes? I know the image is pretty dark so it would clash with the background on dark mode, but I think if a white/some other background is added to the main circle, it wouldn't be that bad? Also that would allow the wings to be purely white instead of the current gray (but they would need some outline probably). This kinda looks like I'm complaining about more than last time ;-; but I promise the current version looks almost ready to use, I just wanna point out everything that can be changed so its as good as it can get. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:07, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Okay so I did try out the detailing on the tail and honestly? The way the bottom ray folds into the "M" is actually pretty good? It visually makes it split *and* that acts as graphical foreshadowing for Rebellion! Also tried to make the wings the same color and do a border of the background color? So it looks "invisible". It's... pretty okay in my opinion. I think my ideal as-is keeps the inverted soul gem "tail", drops the wing border and keeps them gray. Not sure what to do about the background though. [[:File:PMWiki_2RB_v2.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 18:36, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Its coming out really good, I do prefer the A (or light mode) versions, and the wings being outlined would look way different there when barely anything there is white, while on dark mode most of it is white so it kinda clashes. The "tail" looks good, again clashes a bit but I think thats just because the example you uploaded is in dark mode, also the tail in the og symbol ends with a dot like the others, though idk if I'd prefer it with or without (its kinda nice how it just ends without it, puts more focus on the text). I'm still more on the side of keeping only the A versions. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:30, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: If we have a dark mode *at all* in any theme we really should support both. That choice is far above my head though. The light mode variant looks pretty good though with or without the dot. My preference is without. The wings in gray look far closer to "normal" than a purer white does. [[:File:PMWiki_2RB_v2_White_Alts.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 19:42, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: Okay I went into some art program and tried stuff out. I tried to make the wings white and yeah it looked kinda bad... Fine Ill let it go T^T. I also don't like just how light the wings are on the dark version, maybe they should be darkened there? (though I tried and it didnt look that good either _ _" Im stumped). But ignoring dark mode... There are 3 more changes I can think of, two I have an image for. Those 2 are, the color, as I think its kinda too magenta? I know I said magenta but its kinda too purple, and the "tip" of the "tail" being behind the box, this keeps that rebellion symbolism of Madoka being teared apart, but also makes it look nicer imo. The third I didnt draw is there being less lines in the main circle, like we said before, but I think this isnt necessary. ''Ignoring dark mode'' I think that would make the logo ready for the wiki. (Okay my color looks too pink now... Idk this is annoying T-T, I dont wanna upload it again because it will probably not update fast enough so I think better colors than the ones I made on that image are {{Color|#d43472|#d43472}} for the darker and {{Color|#f858a3|#f858a3}} for the lighter) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:15, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: We could always be a little goofy and just make the "Dark Mode" the Dark Orb's Deal emblem with the same style wordmark instead, for Homura, and just make light mode "pink" accented, and dark mode "purple" accented. That said, I'm inclined to advocate for "RB_v2_light", and I swapped to your proposed colors. Will upload the SVG here. [[:File:PMWIki_LOC_Logo_Light_v1.svg]] Any thoughts [[User:0x99]]? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 20:51, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: That would be really cool but probably harder, with how much [[:File:Rebellion Image Note 218.jpg|curves her emblem has]], also no clear place to put the Puella Magi Wiki text unlike the LoC emblem. We should probably stick to the dark mode ver you made unless you do want to go through more labor lol. Also for when 0x99 gets here, could we also use this as the icon for the website? Like the icons that show up on the page tabs on browsers, right now we have just a basic P. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 23:55, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Oh the favicon? I don't even see one as-is (Firefox on Windows), but it would be nice to have a favicon, yeah. As to a dark mode version, I'll need to upload it still, but I'm holding off on another round of edits until 0x99 signs off on it before I make another. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 00:53, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

==== New Logo Revisions & Editions ====

So now that it's in place, it looks *mostly* okay. Subjectively it looks the best as-is in MonoBook, but that isn't what folks are using I suspect. What versions do you need specifically for Vector 2022 and Citizen to make it work best? I assume light and dark modes yes but emblem, wordmark, both? I think the "right" move would be a combined seal wordmark, but I have no idea what admin-side options exist for use and want it to be a consistent(-ish) user experience.

As a small aside, I'd like to understand why Vector (2022) doesn't respect my Light mode / Dark mode setting at all, and forces it to Dark Mode.... I suspect [https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/issues/1272 this] might be related as we do have both Citizen and Vector 2022 but I'm not 100% sure. With the assumption that we'll be using the LoC seal variant for all items, let me know what wordmark or logo variants you need 0x99.

(Making a new section for the sake of my sanity, the conversation got pretty deep last time.)

EDIT: Did two "very wide" versions intended for Vector 2022 for light and dark mode. Uploaded them here. [[:File:PMWiki_LOC_Wordmark_Dark_v1.svg]] [[:File:PMWiki_LOC_Wordmark_Light_v1.svg]][[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 05:58, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:Thanks for this. I think it generally looks good across Citizen, Vector 2010, and Vector 2022 (with both light and dark), but we might want to separate the ("Puella Magi Wiki") wordmark out of the logo (see: [[:mw:Manual:$wgLogos]] for Citizen and Vector. So the variant are:
:*logo (for Vector legacy) combined icon+wordmark (current)
:*icon (emblem only without wordmark)
:*wordmark (text only)
:I can generate favicon from the icon.
:As for theme, I plan to upgrade MediaWiki later this week (so the traffic dries down a bit) before the spoilers lift. Few extensions are stuck on an old version because of MediaWiki version lock . Hopefully Vector 2022 will be fixed when I upgrade. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:09, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:: Okay, will see about making these tomorrow so we have total coverage. Still, wild to see something I made in the corner. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 06:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Amazing job and thank you! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:15, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
: I don't see the bug you mention with Dark and Light mode in Vector 2022, but if it's fixed with an update then good for you.
:And going back to the topic... well shit, I saw the conversation above before and said "I'll respond tomorrow", and today I open the site with the icon... I was going to say that the color still seems too... light? Pink-ish? (specially in Dark Mode) And that maybe we could follow the "Homura ripping Madoka" theme and maybe add some purple/dark purple at the ends (or at least to the bottom center one). I read above that gradients could be a problem though. About the different emblems for light and dark theme, it sounds very good. I understand however that this seems basically making another from scratch. Also, I understand if I'm just saying things and if I'm saying it later after the icon was already changed and that maybe it is too much of a hassle to change it back. There should be no problem with generating a small .ico from it. Also also, for the next time, can we select one or several files and upload the propositions there as new versions? You could get lost switching from files to files and not knowing what version you are even replying to. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#New logo]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

====Background====
Since we're talking about the favicon and logo, I wanna suggest we use these for the background.

Light mode:
* [[:File:Kv petal sp.png]]

Dark mode:
* [[:File:Eff 113801 dot 01.png]] (not really sold on this but if we're keeping the godoka vs akuma theme)
* There's also these but I can't see an elegant way to use them unless they're dimmed out or something: [[:File:Eff 113801 repeat 01.png]], [[:File:Eff 113801 dml ozomashii 01.png]], [[:File:Eff tex darkBG 01 TH.png]].

Header and footer:
* If we're doing a header and footer these can be used on the background of every page. Maybe one of them can be flipped to be used as footer.
* [[:File:Kv lace sp.png]]
* [[:File:Kv lace pc.png]]

I also think having a background color other than white would be a good idea. Like a very soft pastel, kinda like how dark mode doesn't use completely black, but dark grey. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:26, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
: I can see the petals, but the dots for the dark mode seem... weird? I would have to see them in action. Same for the headers and footers, although maybe they look better. I'm neutral for the background color changes. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:: I'm not against keeping the petals for dark mode too, but I don't know if they're transparent or just really pale. If we can use a dimmed version, this pattern repeats well: [[:File:Eff 113801 repeat 01.png]]. I'm okay with either or, though I was inspired by how the Magia Exedra wiki has done their styling. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:26, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:Not sure what would be the best way to do this; Exedra Wiki seems to do this via [[MediaWiki:Common.css]], Stardew Wiki seems to do this as an extension (and lock the entire site to Vector). Maintenance wise, Common.css is probably the best way to go. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 09:48, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I was thinking that adding it in general classes in Common.css would be the way. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:51, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#Background]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Ok, the logo is replaced. What about the unregistered users have Vector 2010 skin? They need Vector 2022 skin. Vector 2022 is better than Vector 2010. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 19:04, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

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==Manga raws==
Hi! From where did you get raws for the Kazumi manga? Does the same place also has raws for other manga entries as well?
[[User:WizardFlower|WizardFlower]] ([[User talk:WizardFlower|talk]]) 17:50, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
:I downloaded a torrent from somewhere. I don't know if it has raws for others. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:19, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Is it possible to share the link with me here? Or is there some rule that forbids that?
[[User:WizardFlower|WizardFlower]] ([[User talk:WizardFlower|talk]]) 01:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
:I don't know if there's a rule forbidding it. I'm hesitant to share a torrent link in any case. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:26, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

==Arne==
Do you think Arne is worth adding into minor characters of Magia Record? He fairly contributed to the story's plot and we'll, to the girls' development a bit as well.[[User:WizardFlower|WizardFlower]] ([[User talk:WizardFlower|talk]]) 14:06, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
: I was considering it. He never makes an appearance but he does have an outsized influence on the plot. The main reason I didn't end up adding him myself is because he never made a appearance. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

==Characters by Age==
I will add Kyosuke in 14 because I got a confirmation for his age. Also, do you have Kuroe's age anywhere? Yes we know she's middle school 3rd year but when was her age said? I kind of feel like it's not correct taking ages from grades for a handful of reasons. And last, eh is it safe to make assumptions regarding ages? We never got any mention to Haitani and Kuroda's ages.
[[User:WizardFlower|WizardFlower]] ([[User talk:WizardFlower|talk]]) 11:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
:I don't know where Kuroe's age came from. It was added to her page in an [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Kuroe&diff=prev&oldid=127031 edit] by [[User:Cookies0628]].
:I think it's pretty reasonable to guess that Haitani and Kuroda are the same age as Asahi, but you're right that there's some assumption in there, so I wouldn't really mind them being moved to the Unknown section.
:In case you missed it, see [[Talk:Characters by Age]].
:~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:41, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

==NA screencaps==
[https://gamepress.gg/magiarecord/guide/magireco-beginners-guide Gamepress] still has all the stuff I did for them, including extensive menu screencaps and other screenshots I had put up. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 03:01, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Ok, I uploaded the rest of the skill icons. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 13:51, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

0x99 got back to me:
"It looks like there were some permissions changed in recent version of MediaWiki for editing the UI.
I've fixed this, and all autoconfirmed users should be able to edit Mediawiki:Common.css."

Let me know if it still won't allow you to edit the page.[[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 20:05, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

==Skill Icons==
Can you please fix [[Template:Magia_Record_Skill_Icon]] so that "MP gain up when damaged has the correct icon"? it should be the yellow MP icon with a single arrow (icon 1227), but it looks like you have two different effects pointing to the same thing (mp gain up icon 1180). Thank you! [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 17:48, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
:It has been fixed. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
I just realized, but the "add magia seal" icon is duplicated on the [[Template:Magia_Record_Skill_Icon]] and when I checked the [[Magia_Record_Skills_and_Status_Effects]] it seems like it's missing entirely.[[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 19:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:I see it on the latter page (you can get there just by clicking the icon anywhere it appears). I do see the duplicate icon as well. It looks like the duplicate was intended to represent a possibly non-extant "negate magia seal" effect. Does that exist? Is there even an icon for it? If it doesn't exist, I can just delete it from the template page. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

==Side Characters Order==
to let tou know, I ordered these characters based on their ID their L2Ds are given. Which I am certain its the most official and correct way to go by, as the reorder you did feels like it may have holes later. [[User: WizardFlower|Wizard Flower]] ([[User talk: WizardFlower|talk]]) 19:59, 06 October 2023 (UTC)
:Ordering by ID is completely nonsensical though. I could understand falling back to that if there's no actual logical order, but I don't think that applies here. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:30, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
We also use ID numbers for Magical Girls units, so I'd maintain consistency if we used IDs for side characters too.[[User: WizardFlower|Wizard Flower]] ([[User talk: WizardFlower|talk]]) 21:59, 06 October 2023 (UTC)
:I'd argue there's no reason to use IDs ''anywhere'' unless no other natural ordering exists. There ''are'' some orderings that sort of make sense for the main story characters, but they're not exactly "natural" so I don't mind sorting them by ID there. (For example, in Arc 1, you'd group Mikazuki Villa, then Mitama, then the twins, the Magius, Kanagi, and Ui, in that order. Karin and Asuka technically aren't main story characters so either move them to side store or just add them at the end.) This approach could also apply to the side story characters, but there are enough interrelations between those characters that I don't think you could come up with a single "obvious" ordering.
:But using ID numbers for minor characters definitely makes even less sense than for major characters. The major characters are somewhat grouped logically with respect to their IDs – for example, Mikazuki Villa gets the lowest 5 IDs. But the minor characters (8000's range, I think?) are just thrown together in no particular order, at best maaaybe vaguely in release order. If you order them by ID, it'll just look like a chaotic mess.
:If you still think that's better than the way I ordered them, then it's not like I can stop you from reordering them again by ID. But I really do think it makes more sense ''not'' to do that. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:42, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Celtric, They probably removed the IDs because on the character discussion page, part of the argument was if we're going to move characters around based on their importance to the story (like moving the Tokimes up to Arc 2 main characters, and then have inui with the side characters because she has a witch, and move Asuka down to side characters etc etc) then there's no point in showing the category ID on each table in teh characters page. I mean, if we're not going to strictly follow that convention, then why have it? It's just misleading otherwise. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 13:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
: The ID ranges are still ''approximately'' true, but I do kind of see what you mean. Then again, I don't think there was ''ever'' a time when they were exact. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

== Akane Sumire and Kaede Hinata ==

Hi! You removed the category "Magical girls with Witches" from Akane and Kaede's pages with the reason "No, she doesn't have a witch". Don't they get turned into witches by Kanna, though? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 18:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
: I don't think that's really clearly shown in the manga. From what I recall, there are a bunch of random witches that aren't associated with any specific magical girl. They could be Akane or Kaede's witches, but there's no evidence one way or another. After all, there are ''tons'' of girls in the Freezer. So… yes, technically they probably got turned into witches by Kanna, but we aren't able to say "This witch is Sumire's" or "That witch is Kaede's", which I understood as the meaning of that category. I think there are a couple of others currently in the category that don't satisfy that, too… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
::I see your point. Thank you for clarifying! [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 11:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
::As for the last part, that's definitely how I intended it to be when I started it. Later, however, I realized there are multiple girls who transformed into witches ([[Aneka]] or [[Manatsu]], for example) where we don't know their witches exactly. However, since they still turned into witches, I included them. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Is that not covered by [[:Category:Deceased Characters]]? Though I guess we don't have one of those for magical girls specifically. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
::::It technically is, but I don't think it hurts to add another category. Considering just how many deceased Characters there are, it's useful to know which ones have become witches. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

== Fanworks ==

I deleted these pages because they are not canon content. I'm trying to rework this wiki to be less of a mess, and this is my first step. I would appreciate you not deleting these pages. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 01:46, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

: The fanworks pages are very valuable resources. Deleting them without reason is extremely unreasonable. As for "Binbou-chan", while I admit it is somewhat speculative, she is a real character in the anime, so there is no reason she can't have a page. Sure, it's an oddly large page for such a minor character, but there are other ways to deal with that than outright deleting it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:03, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

== Witch Displays update ==

I think I managed to make an upgrade to the witch displays we have now (results are currently on [[User:TheresaFrog421|my page]]), but I'm not sure if all my ideas work, so I have questions, mostly about css. First of all is it possible to make .witch-table make the table a wikitable for every skin but Citizen? When the table on Citizen doesn't have any class it can go under the image but if it has "wikitable", on mobile, its forced next to the image making it hard to read. But at the same time it looks way better with as a wikitable so it would be better for every other to have the wikitable while citizen has none.

On topic of Citizen, if the class thing is possible, I think it should also be possible to make it so that Citizen has 325px width and height for the display while all other skins have 350px, forcing it like this is better than viewport because the display just comes out abnormally small on mobile. (Also it would fix whatever this is on my page <code>width: 35vw; height: 35vw; max-width: 350px; max-height: 350px; min-width: 325px; min-height: 325px;</code>)

My last question is about [[Template:Witch Card.css]], since I was testing on my own page I had to extract the styles and alter them. I dont really understand what goes in there, and what stays on the template itself so that's why im asking. I know I changed atleast .witch-container (badly though, this is what I mean above T_T), .witch-table A LOT since I made it so that if it wraps, the whole side box goes under, instead of just the descriptions, and since I used the new tabbers .witch-description is unneeded. Also if you want to change other code you can, I'm sure some of it is horrid. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:14, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Oh also, the sprites are still broken on Citizen mobile, Im guessing it could be fixed some calc() that relies on the display width/height but idk how to do that now. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:21, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

:I changed the vw into px of the witch box because of mobile, I remember someone saying that on mobile the template breaks, and vw is part of that. On the phone version of Citizen, Monobook or Timeless the box appears tiny now, since the screen is way smaller. If you could do what I was trying to, and manage to make the box a sepcific size only in citizen, monobook and timeless, then yeah we could keep vw, but right now px is just more stable. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 04:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::vw is relative to the screen size of the device. That's the whole reason it was used. The box is ''supposed'' to be smaller on a tiny screen, to make more room for the other elements. I do notice that the template oddly breaks when the screen width falls below 640px though – is that what you meant by "on mobile the template breaks"? Also, while I have your attention, could you explain why you removed '''wikitable'''? I think it definitely looks better with '''wikitable''', but I assume it had ''some'' undesirable effect for you to remove it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:16, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

:::I was planning to keep the wikitable, but it breaks on mobile citizen (cant really check now if it does for monobook and timeless), for some reason every wikitable on citizen forces itself into a scrolling form when it's wider than the screen, and while this is good since most tables are too big for phone screens, this made the namebox (and description box because I fused it) be forced into the side with tiny width. Weirdly enough this doesnt happen when the table isnt a wikitable, so I decided to just make it stylized (If you want to change the style feel free to do so, especially the header cells because idk how to do them right now). The thing I put in place made the box size on mobile the width of the screen, while the info went below (Also i think the sprite breaks because the sprite itself uses px while the max size is set by vw). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 04:26, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::Hmm, I don't see anything in the CSS that would make a table scroll. Maybe MediaWiki runs some JavaScript on all wikitables that does something… so then, it should probably be fine if I change the style to ''look'' like a wikitable, right? Only problem with that is… I bet that look is different on each skin? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:32, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::<blockquote>The thing I put in place made the box on mobile the size of the screen, while the info went below</blockquote>

::::Oh, this is an interesting idea. (It's ''almost'' the same as what I was aiming for last time I worked on this template, or at least, the "info goes below" part is the same.) But, "size of the screen" is kind of nebulous in a way… since there is also a sidebar, we can't just set the CSS to make it always the size of the screen. Perhaps we actually need some '''@media''' rules to specify different CSS on smaller screens. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:32, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::Hmm, as of right now, I don't see any "scrolling form" when viewing the page with Citizen in a 450px window… unless you're complaining about a ''vertical'' scrollbar? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:48, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

:::::Yeah on phone it should currently work because the table isnt a wikitable, I'll quickly upload a test to my user page with the table being a wikitable to show you what I mean. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 04:55, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::Sorry, I was a bit unclear there. I meant I don't see anything bad if I change it to a wikitable. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:59, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::I tried it and it's working normally even when its a wikitable??? There's no forced scroll it just goes down. It could be because of the new witch-table or the width? Idk I promise it was there ;-; (Unless it was something wrong I did in my testing, and changed it later not knowing it did anything). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 05:02, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Okay Im pretty sure it was the display:inline-table; I deleted, sorry for the confusion T_T, we can probably change it back to wikitable and delete all the styling. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 05:05, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::::But I already put back the inline-table… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:07, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Yeah that's what I meant, it was something I did back when I found this problem, and now that I check it its gone because it was changed without me knowing it was the cause. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 05:08, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Ah, you're saying you think it happened ''because'' you deleted the inline-table. That seems plausible. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:10, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::I am SO CONFUSED, I feel like Im going schizophrenic, because its back now?????? you can see it on [[:File:Screenshot 2025-07-28-07-11-24-72.jpg]] (which if you can delete after seeing) I dont get it I truly dont anymore. This is what I meant by forcing it into a scrollbar, it just doesnt go down for some reason. Also this screenshot shows it with the tiny vw box, but I remember it working the same with a screen wide box too. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 05:15, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::So are you referring to the fact that the table is placed to the left of the sprite, instead of below it? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:21, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Yes, you can check it on pc just by using the preview slider and making the preview width small (on citizen ofc), the table should go down but it goes to the side, even in the tiniest width it refuses, I think that's a quirk of wikitable on Citizen and that's why I didnt use it. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 05:24, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::Well, I confirmed that removing '''wikitable''' after the page loads doesn't fix the issue. I can't seem to isolate a single CSS rule that causes it, either… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:29, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::It looks like extra '''div''' elements are inserted into the hierarchy somehow, with special Citizen classes that cause the issue. I'm not sure yet if there's a fix for that. I'm guessing it's triggered by the '''wikitable''' class though. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:31, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::It has to be wikitable, on my laptop removing it makes the preview templates on the template page get fixed, I think I was right then, and making a table without using wikitable would be the easiest solution. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 05:34, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::It's definitely not ''easy'' to do a pure-CSS solution here – I would have to match the Citizen overflow '''div''' only when it has our witch card stuff in it, which is impossible in CSS (but there might be some workarounds for it). I'm still investigating solutions. To be honest, I'd much prefer to keep '''wikitable''' if at all possible, since that makes the table match your chosen theme in styling. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:42, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I'll change it to the stylized table I made for now (so that it works), and when you find a solution you can change it to the new one. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 05:51, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I came up with a hacky solution but it seems like it only works sometimes. Citizen's choice to dynamically alter the DOM for this was, honestly, not a great one. I may revert this solution, not sure. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 06:18, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

:::::Not on topic for what we're talking about now but I need to voice this out, I still think just staying with px would be the easiest, yes it makes it so the smaller the screen the bigger the witchbox, but like... that's ideal isn't it?, every part of the page does that, text too and the infobox relies on text, so on a giant screen the infobox would get small while the witchbox just stayed big. EVERYTHING grows as the screen gets smaller, so for this box to stay the same weird fixed size (even if we make it so that it changes only on mobile) would just be confusing, if it used px it would adapt the same way everything else does. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 05:51, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::I really don't understand what you're saying. Using px doesn't make it adapt. It doesn't make the witch box bigger on a smaller screen (unless you mean in terms of a percentage of the screen size, in which case, sure, I guess). It makes it ''not'' adapt. Using vw doesn't make it stay "the same weird fixed size". It actually makes it shrink on smaller screens. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:54, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Yes the shrinking is my problem, it shouldn't shrink on smaller screens. I did it word it badly with the "adapting" because I did mean it growing in a percentage way, everything on the page grows in a percentage way and I believe it should too, because you can't tell me that the box on the screenshot I sent earlier looks normal. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 05:59, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::::I ''am'' considering alternative approaches now – the table can't shrink beyond a certain point, so I think there's little point in making the witch container shrink beyond that point. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 06:03, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::The thing is there's not a set max shrink value to every table since each Witch has different arguments, also the only way the table would shrink is if the description cell would shrink (since its scrollable), which at a "max shrink" would make the description unreadable. And if you did make it dynamic it would make the pages all have different sizes, which just sounds bad. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:32, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::I don't think there's a good clean way to go about it, it feels way too messy and just unnecessary, I dont mind the [if at certain small width make it 100%] but it being bigger than the everything on a bigger screen just feels wrong, especially since text wont shrink or grow unless you make it vw too. My point is that it should never shrink or grow, just stay the same pixel size and grow the same way everything else does, I know that if we set limits on both growing and shrinking it wouldnt be as drastic as i describe it but thats just trying to fix a problem that never needed to exist. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:58, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Im back from testing resolutions and I'm so sorry for hating on this idea this bad T_T, it's the max-height and max-width that make me sound dumb, because they do limit the box, and in turn making what I wanted to work - work. I just really didn't understand how it worked until I tried different resolutions, Im really sorry I was so rude ;-;. But there's still issues, like the infobox not stretching to the end of the page if it has no descriptions, and more importantly, the sprites positions breaking, if the box goes lower than the 350px the sprites go to the right as the box shrinks, Im guessing this is because of the images sizes not working like the witchbox. Again I'm sorry I should have just checked different resolutions before attacking the current setup. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:12, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

== Updated Live2d Exedra models ==

Hello there, I was wondering if you'd be willing to upload the recent live2d models added from the previous Magia Exedra updates to their respective pages, especially since 2.0 of the game recently released and I kinda needed em for something
: I'm afraid you're asking the wrong person. I have no idea how to datamine the game. The ones I uploaded before were from a cache that someone else datamined but hadn't gotten around to uploading. Sorry. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:04, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
:: My datamining tool doesn't work since 2.0 so I can't help [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 06:22, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
::: I only have the assets but I don't know how to stick them together. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:34, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

== MagiReco Character Page Layout ==

hello; i'm still quite new here and am not sure who to go to with this, but you seem to be the most active staff member, so i'll ask here, though this isn't directed only at you. i created an account with the intention of tidying up primarily the magia record character pages and the witch pages, but i've run into a bit of a problem -- the current page format for the magireco cast prevents their pages from being of any use. many characters have trivia sections that are filled with pieces of fundamental character information (like ao being the leader of janomiya and having used her gang to infiltrate tora/ryuu during crimson resolve, or chiharu's wish being sold out for a politician's bribe during green jasper diviners) that ''should'' go into a character's primary character/story section...but they don't have primary character/story sections, so i've found that everything keeps being stuffed into "trivia" when that isn't what trivia is supposed to be. there's also just a lot of personal headcanon/speculation/other not-trivia in the trivia sections, but i digress.

i've been trying to do my part with cleaning up things that don't belong or are misplaced, and i've brainstormed potential alternative layouts to fix this trivia problem, but i'm only one person and can only do so much with this current layout, and i'm not sure where to go from here. i've seen that the wiki is under a bit of reconstruction, but i'm not sure how much all of this has been considered by the staff. thanks. [[User:Onitora|Onitora]] ([[User talk:Onitora|talk]]) 21:56, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
:I think the two examples you gave could go in the main "Summary" section. I don't know how much that applies in general to the stuff you're seeing. You can feel free to go ahead and make any edits you think make sense – if someone disagrees, they'll probably add a comment to the talk page associated with the specific article. Similarly, if there's anything you're unsure of, you can always comment on a specific article's talk page and we can discuss the specific case in more detail. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:05, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:This actually has been started by [[User:Sweet Beanie]] on [[Yu]] and [[Sudachi]]'s pages. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:57, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::i was just wondering how extensively a user would be allowed to modify a page’s layout without previously discussing it with staff. i’ve come up with a layout mockup for (magireco) character pages that i think would work well for the wiki, but i didn’t think it appropriate to just make an account and start enacting changes like i own the place, because i don’t have any authority here.

::i’ve seen that sweet_beanie has been editing yuu and sudachi’s pages extensively, but i don’t particularly agree with how they’ve been going about it and prefer not to imitate that. i think dedicated personality and history sections are good ideas, but that’s about where i stop agreeing with how they’ve modified those pages. again, i simply do not know where the line is when it comes to making these sorts of changes as a regular user, and i’m not here to step on any toes. [[User:Onitora|Onitora]] ([[User talk:Onitora|talk]]) 19:51, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:::The wiki grows by being changed, some parts of it are just lacking and we're all trying to change that, I think you should edit one character's page with your vision (or just present that vision) and then we can decide which layout is better. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:10, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::::I think almost anything goes as long as you don't get into an edit war with another user. If you disagree with SweetBeanie's edits, you can either edit them more in line with your vision or open a discussion on the specific page's talk page to discuss alternatives. In the former case, it would be up to SweetBeanie to open that discussion if they disagree with your changes. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:50, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:::::i've gone a little while since doing much here (i have things to do offline and have been busy), but i figured i'd attempt to revive this discussion, since the layout (or lack of) for the magireco character articles is preventing me from being able to do much other than pick at trivia sections. i know i could simply edit the pages on my own, but i'd prefer to discuss things with staff and other users first. i'd put together [https://file.garden/ZRmRuz_G0TetIdKC/mockup2update.png|a rough mockup] for what i think would be the best way to approach character pages, pulling from how other fan wikis have their pages organized. however, i am just one person, so i cannot fill out every magireco page on my own -- especially since there are characters that i know less about than others. [[User:Onitora|Onitora]] ([[User talk:Onitora|talk]]) 21:35, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

::::::I can't see that mockup, so I have no idea whether or not it's good. What do you say to showing it on an actual page? To be more precise, create a page like "User:Onitora/Iroha Tamaki" with an example of how you think it should look. Or, if you're not skilled enough to actually make the layout, you could upload that image here on the wiki instead. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:43, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::::i'm not confident enough in my editing abilities just yet (and also have other things to do at the moment), so i've gone and uploaded the mockup image [[Media:mockup_yuna.png|here]]. feel free to delete it later on if necessary. [[User:Onitora|Onitora]] ([[User talk:Onitora|talk]]) 22:38, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Okay, well, I'd say it broadly looks good, but I have a few misgivings:
::::::::*I'm kinda a fan of the basic character info table at the top, so I'd prefer to keep that. I do see that you've merged the data into the infobox section, but I think that wouldn't work as well on some pages; plus, the infobox currently is for primarily OOC info while the main table is mainly IC info, so I'm wary of mixing the two.
::::::::*And speaking of the OOC info in the infobox, your mockup drops it entirely. While I personally don't have much use for that info, I would say it should definitely be mentioned somewhere.
::::::::*There seems to be no etymology section. Where would the etymology go?
::::::::*Where does Powers and Abilities go? I do like having it as separate section, though it could be a subsection of some other section, I suppose.
::::::::*Would I be correct in guessing that the current Appearances, Memoria Cards, and Game Notes sections all fall under "Game-Related Section"? I don't think we should remove those or anything.
::::::::Don't take that as things that you absolutely need to change about the design – it's all up for discussion.
::::::::One other thing I'd like to note is that, if we're doing this anyway, I think we should handle the game info for Magia Record in the same way as we're now handling it for Magia Exedra. See [[Nanoha Takamachi/Gameplay/4051]] for an example of what that would look like, though if it's up to me, we not use internal IDs for the page names – that page would be renamed to "Nanoha Takamachi/Standard", for example, and this would merge all non-dual variant characters into their base character page, with separate subpages specifically for each game data box. Though, that doesn't mean you'd have to be the one to make those changes or anything. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:33, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::no need to worry about bringing this up; this sort of discussion is why i didn't want to just inject my vision into the wiki out of nowhere. discussing this sort of thing is good for a website like this.

:::::::::*for the character table/infobox, i think, visually, it looks better if they're merged. as it is right now, i find the character info table to be helpful but not good to look at (though that's just personal opinion). i'm not too wise about website coding, but looking at character pages on other fan wikis, i wonder if there may be a way to have them in the same table but with a visual separation. i mostly like to reference off of websites like pokemon's bulbapedia and splatoon's inkipedia for wiki design and it looks like bulbapedia mixes both ic and ooc info in their character infoboxes, but each "grouping" of information is visually separated into their own sections, which i think may be a wise idea. ooc info definitely should be included in some capacity; i didn't make the mockup's infobox all-encompassing just because it was getting tedious and it was more a proof of concept more than a comprehensive list of everything to be included.
:::::::::*for both etymology and powers and abilities, they both seem like such small additions that i'm not quite sure what to do with them -- etymology is largely just going to be witch/doppel name source + the definitions for the kanji in a character's name, and a lot of characters don't have powers that can be extensively written about. p&a i'm sure could fit as a subsection somewhere, but i'm a bit stumped on what to do with etymology, since i think the witch/doppel name information is especially important, but not usually extensive enough to warrant its own section. since an etymology section would be short, maybe at the very end somewhere? after trivia but before the notes.
:::::::::*appearances/game notes/memoria/etc would best fit wherever game information is, yes. probably even split into their own sections; i just did one game section for the mockup but there's tons of wiggle room for that area specifically. my main interest is getting story information up onto the wiki, since i find that's where it's pretty lacking for magireco (especially the arc 2 cast); the gameplay section(s) just have to be moved around more than anything else, i think.

:::::::::my main goal for all of this is to hopefully smooth out getting canonical information onto character pages as well as (hopefully) making them look good in the process. the pages as they are now aren't bad, but i find the layout a bit clunky to navigate, and a lot of them are pretty much devoid of story information because there's nowhere to put any of it besides "trivia". i know i'm still pretty new here as an editor, but i'd just like to help make improvements where i can. [[User:Onitora|Onitora]] ([[User talk:Onitora|talk]]) 18:58, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::I've decided to move this discussion to [[Project talk:Wiki Cleanup 2025/Article formatting]]. Hopefully that'll encourage other users to add their 2¢ as well. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:11, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

== Create Pages ==

I would like to create a disambiguation page for "Kriemhild" since there are two witches with that name now, but I can't find any ways for me to create new pages with.
Can you or any admin help me create this, or lead me to where new pages can be made? Thank you!
[[User:RaviaVee|RaviaVee]] ([[User talk:RaviaVee|talk]]) 16:01, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
:You just have to search the word and a prompt to create that page should appear below the search bar. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:23, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

== Treating Game Info ==

You mentioned how you wanna change the way we treat game info for MagiReco units, I wanna start talking about it here instead of on [[Puella Magi Wiki talk:Wiki Cleanup 2025/Article formatting]], since that page doesnt seem like the correct place. My best idea for it would be making subpages for both Record and Exedra, for example '''Iroha Tamaki/Magia Record/Anime ver.''' and '''Iroha Tamaki/Magia Exedra/Doppel of Silence''', while the page '''Iroha Tamaki/Magia Record''' could be for the base unit. I believe that the mini descriptions we have in the Summary sections and the doppel description could go in those pages too, but I'm not sure if they should appear on the main page (that could be dealt with if we just put the game info into <nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki>). Obviously this leaves out duo units again but I don't know a way to integrate them into any system based on subpages without it being iffy. Also about my edit on [[Template:Ruby]] I genuinely thought the spaces were a mistake T_T. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 08:31, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

: I ain't CM, but sounds like a good idea, turning alts into subpages of the main page. We don't have unique pages for MagiReco MSSs or quotes, so there should be relatively little trouble...? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 12:18, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

:: Even if that's not the correct place, this ''definitely'' isn't the correct place. Anyway, I'm not sure I like the idea of having Magia Record and Magia Exedra subpages though. Why not just put that information on the main page? We should have subpages for each of the units though – the "main" unit and each "xyz ver." unit. That does mean the Magia Record units and the Magia Exedra units fall under the same namespace, but… since the Magia Exedra ones always end in "ver.", I doubt that'd be an issue.
:: And about Template:Ruby, I put the spaces in to show the grouping, how each pair of parameters fits together. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:07, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

::: Well no matter if we put the extra info like Side Stories or quotes into the subpages, I still believe the /Magia smth/ page naming is better, it would just make more sense for some characters. In Iroha's case its obvious '''Iroha Tamaki/Standard''' would be about her Record unit but '''Madoka Kaname/Standard''' sounds way too random. Im fully okay with making the base units use '''Char/Magia Record/Standard''' instead of just '''Char/Magia Record''' though, if that's a bother. And I think it would be best if [[Template:Magia Record Stats]] is also changed to fit with the new system. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:05, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

:::: I guess you could make the Magia Record base version be '''Madoka Kaname/Magia Record''', and variants use their "ver." name, eg '''Madoka Kaname/Swimsuit ver.'''… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:29, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

::::: I guess it wouldnt change that much, but I've been thinking about what would change if we abolished all variant pages and '''in Magia Record/Exedra''' pages... obviously the galleries would get bigger which Im glad about, but the whole game appearances thing would have to be get rid of, unless we just make it a drop down list in the game section. Also would we keep pages like [[Holy Mami]]? I think they're distinct enough, and I think their Kioku appearing on their pages would be good (tho that might mean putting it in manually unless we name the page '''Holy Mami/Tiro Finale Liberation''' but that would mean putting it manually on Mami's page). The Costume and Side stories is what Im most worried about, cause idk how we would treat them. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:48, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::: That's pretty much the sort of change I'm advocating for here. I do think it's worthwhile to have separate pages for major variants like Holy Mami, Rumor Tsuruno, or Holy Alina though. And it might be worthwhile keeping the MagiRepo ones separate, as they're all joke units. But you're right that it raises a number of issues. Appearances would just go in the game section (it could have separate sections by media, so one for Magia Record, one for Magia Exedra, one for Portable, etc). I'm not sure how costumes and side stories would work… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:06, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

::::::: My best ideas for Record Side and Costume stories are to either make a separate subpage just for them, with the page featuring all the side stories from across the units orr putting them onto the unit pages, but using <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> so they dont appear with the game info on the main page. I personally prefer the first one. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:18, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> wouldn't even be needed, as they're not simply transcluded into the parent page – the template that adds them looks for invocations of certain templates on the subpages and includes just those templates. For costume stories, I actually think putting them on the subpage makes sense. Maybe we could do that, and have a separate subpage for the main side story? That said, I think there's also merit in taking all those side stories and collecting them into one place (or a few places), since there are several cases where multiple side stories link together into a broader narrative. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:39, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

== Oktavia ==
From Oktavia, you removed my last addition, ''"At the end of the story, the mermaid is ultimately saved by transforming into a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylph sylph] and ascending into the sky ({{Spoiler|Sayaka being absorbed into the [[Law of Cycles]]}})."'' with the comment, "Don't make up random nonsense". But that's literally what happens at the end of TLM?

''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Mermaid#Plot Her body dissolves into foam, but instead of ceasing to exist, she turns into a luminous and ethereal earthbound spirit, a daughter of the air. While ascending into the atmosphere, she is greeted by other daughters, who say that she has become like them because she strove with all her heart to obtain an immortal soul.]''

You can read an English translation of the story [https://andersen.sdu.dk/vaerk/hersholt/TheLittleMermaid_e.html here].

Unless you're talking about the Law of Cycles thing? --[[User:Mikoto|Mikoto]] ([[User talk:Mikoto|talk]]) 05:33, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
:Hmm. I was sure I remembered the mermaid just dissolving into sea foam and that was the end of it, but… I don't think I ever read a direct translation of the original work. It seems like that ending was not well-received, so maybe that's why the probably-abridged illustrated children's version I remember omitted it… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:30, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

== How do I find the file of the logo called "Puella Magi Wiki"? ==

I'm trying to look for the file, it's not easy to find. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 21:22, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Natsuki Utsuho

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== Who thought that this was Natsuki in DDLC? ==

I don't think she has pink hair. Instead, she has cyan hair. 18:38, 27 August 2026 (UTC)18:38, 27 August 2026 (UTC)~~

Talk:Main Page

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Belankt294842: /* Guys, we need Vector 2022 for unregistered users. */ new section

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<div style="border:1px solid #c0c090;padding:10px;background:#FDFFEE;margin:0 0 0.6em;">'''Previous discussions are archived at''':
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1]] (January 18, 2011–February 27, 2011)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2]] (February 28, 2011-April 25, 2011)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3]] (April 25, 2011-March 14, 2012)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4]] (March 15, 2012-April 27, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5]] (April 27, 2017–September 19, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6]] (September 20, 2017–September 16, 2023)
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== Main Page cleanup ==

I've taken the liberty to clean up the Main Page styling a little. It's using the same layout as before, but with more consistent spacing/etc. so it looks a lot less cluttered. It's also now and a lot less broken when viewing on a mobile phone. Adding/removing columns should now be a lot less insane. I'm unsure what to do with the News/Wishlist links, though, since they haven't been updated for quite a long time. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

: The News page could probably be updated by trawling the Main Page edit history, and maybe adding other bits if you can think of them. With some work it could even be arranged so that it's the ''source'' of the news on the main page (wrapping the lines that should be on the main page in <nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki> tags). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

:: Good idea. I'll find some time to do it. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

:: I did this, seems to work great. Now to populate 2015 to 2021... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

::: That's slightly different from my thought, but it's probably easier to work with this way anyway. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

== Main visual ==

Would it be worthwhile to add the Scene0 main visual to the main page, too? I think a tabber would work for the desktop view, and on mobile there should be enough space to add it below Rising's. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
: I've made some adjustments, what do you think? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:: I'm not sure… I've been so used to seeing the name beside the key visual and now it's moved below it… I can't find any real complaints though… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
::: OK, let's try again. What about this one? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:::: Oooh, I like it! Thanks [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

==Not sure where to put this==

So... I'm not sure why I'm not an autoconfirmed user, but I don't know where to put this question? -- [[User talk:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]]
:I think you may need to wait few more hours. Autoconfirm is set to 3 edits and 7 days from the date of registration. From what I see, you should get autoconfirmed today (Nov 7) at 20:18:23 (UTC) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you! I didn't realize it was so exact. :) [[User:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]] ([[User talk:ReiAyanami|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Sorry for this, we used to have a lot of spam back in the day (who made a few edits to get autoconfirmed then proceeded on creating an SEO spam page). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 21:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

== Future of Fanworks ==

'''(This was originally on my talk page but I have moved it here as it concerns the whole wiki.)''' While not an official Wiki, this is a Wiki for official content. Outside of personal OC's on the user's pages, is there a reason to include fanworks on the wiki? Fan roleplays have long since died, and many games are likely dead due to flash player shutting down. Is there a reason to have them? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 17:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
:I think it's best to keep what we have now as an archive rather than remove it since they were a part of the fanbase during the early days. We keep [[Poorfag]]'s page up for a reason since it was a meme thing and it doesn't interfere with official pages much like OCs on our user pages. As long as they're kept separate from the official stuff, I think it's ok. I believe you can still play the games even though flash player shut down, I remember there being a big project to archive and make old flash games playable when the shut down was initially announced. -[[User:The Witch's House|The Witch's House]] ([[User talk:The Witch's House|talk]]) 02:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
::I'm also very much agree with this. For a more early meme and such we could make a banner that this was part of the community in the early days and are no longer updated. For ongoing content such as [[Fanworks]] I think the list of games/media/crossover are still worth keeping (and possibly updating). --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

== GunsGirlZ Crossover ==

So I have been just looking around the wiki, and I stumbled across the crossover page! I read it, expecting it to have the GGZ collab in it... but it wasn't there? I was wondering if it just hadn't been added yet, or if theres a reason that it hasn't been! The GGZ collab is probably my favorite PMMM collab, with the battle cats coming in second :P

[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]]) 17:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)♥
:Honestly it just hasnt been updated. you're more than welcome to add the info if you'd like (I dont play it unfortunately but it looked cute!)[[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 21:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

::I can't see anything about the crossover on the page you linked to. You should link not to the other wiki's main page but to a page actually talking about the crossover. Otherwise there's no point in adding the link at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that. The link broke... Sadly since the computer I use is limited by my school I can't fix the link,, I'm sorry haha
[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]])♥

:Looks like someone else fixed it for you, so it's okay. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

== Tweets ==

I think maybe we should work out a consistent policy on tweets. There are currently 711 tweets and 2 twitter profile icons linked from across the wiki (see list [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://mobile.twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://*.twimg.com}}&namespace= here]), and they're often used as references, or even image links. The trouble with this is that tweets are inherently transitory. A link to a tweet is liable to go dead at any time, and indeed at least one of the tweeters commonly linked to (GAN) has a habit of deleting old tweets. Twitter icons are even worse for linking to – they're ''guaranteed'' to go dead after an unknown amount of time. We should just ''not'' link to them ever. Uploading one as a reference is fine if it seems useful, though.

If tweets are to be used as references, I think it would be better to archive them (perhaps on the [[Tweets]] page or a similar page), and all other places then link to there instead. Of course, that can still link back to the original tweet (if it still exists). For tweets that include unique images, especially when the image is used as a source for example to determine a character's hair or eye colour, that image should be uploaded to the wiki so it's not lost. I think there are already some that have been lost, and I hope it may be possible to find them somehow.

(I do think including all images that core people tweet related to the franchise is a little excessive though. GAN in particular tends to tweet inapproprate out-of-character fanart which in my opinion often doesn't add much if anything of value to the relevant wiki pages. See [[Talk:GAN#"Official Fanart" Pruning|separate discussion]] on this.)

For tweets that include non-unique images, it's probably good enough to add a brief note that there were images and, in some cases, maybe link to similar images that already exist on the wiki.

~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

: I agree with this, especially now that you cannot view replies/some tweets with images without logging in. As for archiving, though, I'm not sure if we should archive them on a separate page, or do it as ref (similar to [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Scene 0#References]]). The initial intention of the [[Tweets]] page was for Tweets that are primary content (Urobuchi/Miyamoto's off-hand remarks about things). I think episodic content on that page should probably be moved into each episodes, but for reference I feel like <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> may be a better option. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:: For purely text tweets, or tweets that just threw in a random image, yeah, I think they could probably be squeezed into a reference. Would definitely make sense to have a template for that still. For tweets that are primarily an image maybe with a comment, if the image is deemed relevant I think it should be uploaded (which is what's been done for ''most'' of GAN's images). The tweet's text could be put in the image's caption, or added as a reference from the image's caption. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

== Captcha ==
The wiki has its own captcha system that asks questions about MadoMagi, used for instance when you're trying to add an external link. One of those questions is about the latest social game. It'll probably need to be updated soon, given MagiReco is about to end its service and MagiEx will soon release [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 06:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
: I've replaced all Magia Record-related questions with the Walpurgisnacht movie instead. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

== Sidebar ==

How do we edit the sidebar? I'm asking because I think we should add Madoka Magica Plus and Magia Exedra to the "Games" section. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 11:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
:It can be edited at [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 11:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

== Games ==

The section is already cluttered as it is, but I feel like I should ask about the possible inclusion of the slot/arcade games. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 03:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
: Perhaps we can break down the section further, e.g.
:; Titles
::; Mainline
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica (Manga, LN, Compilation)
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Rebellion (Manga)
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Walpurgis no Kaiten
::; Side Story
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Homura's Revenge!
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Different Story
:::* Puella Magi Homura Tamura
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Wraith Arc
:::* Puella Magi Kazumi Magica
:::* Puella Magi Oriko Magica (Extra Story, Sadness Prayer)
:::* Puella Magi Suzune Magica
:::* Puella Magi Tart Magica
:::* Null Magical Girl
::; Compilation
:::* Manga Time Kirara Magica
:;Games
::; PC/Smartphone
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Magia Exedra
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story: Magia Record (Manga, Anime)
::; Mobile
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobage
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Plus
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobcast
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Online
::; Console
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable
:Not sure what's the best categorization we can do here, but I think this should allow more items in the section without looking too overwhelming. Thoughts? --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::I just realized you meant the sidebar (oops). I guess we could likely do the same, breaking the Games section into PC/Smartphone, Mobile, Console, and Arcade? --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I like that idea. Maybe we can keep the "Official Games" section, and add an "Arcade" section under it (are subsections possible in this format? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
It definitely needs something, and alphabetical or by release year would be nice because as it is it's hard to find which one you're looking for with so many. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 00:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:I'm currently trying to have it sorted by release order, but there may be some errors in it. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
: I think the plan to have every game be in the sidebar is incredibly misguided. I'd prefer to have only the most prominent ones listed, and then maybe an "Other" link at the bottom. Perhaps multiple "Other" links if there are strong categories. Right now it is just terribly cluttered up with what seem to me like minor games. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
::I see your point. Maybe we can discuss what we think is a necessary game to include? For now, I think we can cut out Madoka iP, Madoka Flash, Madoka Puzzle of Memory and Madoka Magical Coin. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 14:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
:: Side note: This probably should've been discussed on [[Mediawiki talk:Sidebar]] instead? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

==Wiki logo==
The wiki used to have a fancier header logo, as seen https://web.archive.org/web/20170703125702/http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Poorfag https://web.archive.org/web/20170706032551im_/https://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/header.jpg here. What happened? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

: This used to be a skin of the old Vector theme called "Magica". It was done as a skin rather than Common.css for a few reasons, one to avoid breakage when user opt for other themes (Monobook theme was still used by some people back when we used to hang out in #madoka @ Rizon), and another was due to that we needed to modify some gradient background PNG to have a proper transparent (very subtle: [https://web.archive.org/web/20170706021652im_/https://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/tab-current-fade.png magica's tab-current-fade.png] vs [https://web.archive.org/web/20120410121109im_/http://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/vector/images/tab-current-fade.png vector's tab-current-fade.png]).
: Sadly, this broke during an upgrade to MediaWiki 1.39 in 2018 due to the Vector theme subsystem changes, and I no longer have the original Pixelmator file that I used to create the original one, so it never gets ported. (Vector is also quite a moving target which no backward compatibility guarantee, so we probably shouldn't be basing a skin on it.) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

:: While we're on this topic of a fancy skin, [[mw:Skin:Citizen]] is also pretty nice and would help with the "sidebar becoming too long" issue we're having (by turning it into a menu instead). Not sure how much we can customize it, though. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

::: I've now enabled Citizen skin, which can be turned on via [[Special:Preferences]], but as nothing in the Wiki has color preference awareness (dark/light), it's pretty broken in dark mode. --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:::: I've started collecting pages and templates that are especially egregious on Citizen and Vector 2022 dark modes. Those are [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and [[:Category:Templates with no dark theme awareness]]. Some of those are easy fixes that surmount to "remove #fff from template", but pages like [[Witch Runes]], [[Template:Magia Exedra Battle Icon]] or [[Template:Magia Exedra Role Icon]] depend on images in specific color (the first in black, the second in white but inverted with css). I don't know how to make CSS that takes note of whether a theme is a Light Mode or a Dark Mode one (so that I can implement appropriate color inverts). Additionally, many pages like [[Isabeau]] use non-template spoiler boxes that start with "Warning, this section contains spoilers.". Can we nuke that non-Template template? It's a wiki, of course it'll contain spoilers. What's considered a spoiler changes over the years anyway, glasses Homura was a huge spoiler when episode 10(?) dropped, but she was a release unit in Magia Record, for instance. It's utterly pointless trying to determine what is and isn't a spoiler. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: Oh, also, is there any way to change Citizen's code? It consistently ignores my width:100% table parameters, and !header cells are off-center, too. Breaks [[Template:Magia_Record_Memoria_Row]] and my [[Template:Magia_Exedra_Stats]]. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

==Usefulness of Template:Pixiv tag and Template:Booru tag==
I noticed we have [[Template:Pixiv tag]] and [[Template:Booru tag]]. The thing is, they haven't really been used on modern articles much, see [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Booru_tag]] and [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Pixiv_tag]]: no Magia Record girls have those on their pages, for one. Additionally, Pixiv is exclusively for fanart, and while Dan/Gelbooru both host official art, they're predominantly fanart repost sites. And, well, they also have a large percentage of NSFW content, which is not suitable for the wiki. Should all characters have those added if possible, or is nuking those better? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 18:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
: Seems like [[User:Amaterasu]] went ahead and removed the tag from some pages? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, I did. It is my view that a wiki like this, in which wording if formal and information is aimed to be official, NSFW and fanworks content should not be linked to unless there is a specific page for fanworks and NSFW content. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 16:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
:It's difficult to type out those tags when searching pixiv (at least for those of us who aren't very familiar with Japanese), so I think it would be convenient to keep them around. I don't know if this also holds for dan/gel booru. But I can also see the desire to not link to unofficial content. I suppose this places me on the fence on this. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

==Broken files?==
I was uploading the Exedra backgrounds with [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/Scripts#Main_Bot_Scripts PyWikiBot]. However, it appears some files ended up broken, namely:
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90170_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90173_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90176_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90179_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90195_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90205_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90237_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90263_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90268_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90274_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90274_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90289_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90289_04.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90289_05.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90297_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90298_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90299_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90305_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90307_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90311_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90311_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90313_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90316_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90317_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90326_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90328_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90328_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90329_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90331_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90333_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90336_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90338_01.png]]
They appear like they have a redlink instead of an image in https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Exedra_Backgrounds&filefrom=Bg+adv+99+90338+01.png#mw-category-media , and it says there that the file is missing. However, trying to upload it again gives me two warnings:
* A file with this name exists already, please check File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png if you are not sure if you want to overwrite it.
* The upload is an exact duplicate of the current version of File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png.
What can be done about it? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
: Sorry about this. You probably have to reupload. We ran out of disk space over the past few hours. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:12, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

==DPL==
Hey, could we get [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList DynamicPageList] extension on this wiki? I think it'd make stuff like story appearances for game characters easier, like [[Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra#Appearances]] would ideally be equal to [[:Category:Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra_Story]], so there's IMO no point in maintaining those lists manually. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
: Done. I haven't changed any configuration options from the default. Let me know if you want me to change one of those. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:08, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
:: Thanks! But now that I did more research, it seeeeeeems I requested the wrong version and I should have asked for [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList3 DPL3] instead... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 19:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::: OK, I've replaced DPL with DPL3. (Also, it looks like mailer is broken again, if I don't respond in a day, feel free to ping via email...) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:24, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::: I've looked over the DPL3 manual (both the official one and the Genshin Impact one that EPF linked) and it is absolutely insane. The way things are done makes no sense whatsoever. I can work with it if it's the only tool available, though… but I kind of wonder if there's an alternative? (For example, writing a module to do the specific thing desired.) It would be nice if I could just write out a template that the page names get substituted into, rather than all sorts of magic separators and non-unicode escape characters. It claims that it "leaves output control completely to the user", but that's not really true – it gives a lot of control, but still forces you into a basic template, and sometimes makes absolutely insane decisions. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::: What kind of template are you trying to make with it? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:53, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::: I was fiddling with the Exedra Character Appearances template and thought maybe I could merge the 3 DPL invocations into one, but that causes a ridiculous explosion of unrelated categories in the listing. I can't imagine why anyone would ever want that result. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::: And now I have no idea why it's inserting redlinks to a non-existent template into the portrait lists… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

== Update the Main Page ==

So the Exedra info on the main page is outdated for a month and I think we should update it constantly
But I don't think I have the permission so it has to be you the admins- [[User:RaviaVee|RaviaVee]] ([[User talk:RaviaVee|talk]]) 16:31, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:I've been working on keeping the news section updated. You ''should'' be able to edit it; it's just the [[News]] page and I don't see any protections on it. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 21:34, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

== New "notice" section ==

Hi all!

I wanted to let you know that I've repurposed the warning we were using when we were updating the Witch cards. It should appear as this in the source:
<blockquote><nowiki>

</nowiki></blockquote>
I encourage you to use it when we do a wiki overhaul of some kind, like we did with the Witch cards. It may not happen often, but it's still useful to have. All you need to do is remove the <nowiki>"</nowiki>" in order to get it to show up.

Have a good day! ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 22:39, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

==Tabbers==

Could we get [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TabberNeue the TabberNeue] extension? Our tabbers are kind of messy, I like their clean look [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 04:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
:What exactly is so messy about them? Other than the problem of the page jumping when you click one. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:43, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Fixed height, and I'm not a fan of their color scheme. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:35, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
: I've added this. Sorry that I didn't notice this until now (wiki mailer is broken again, sigh...) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AdvancedSearch May I ask for this extension as well? Note it has some dependencies... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:22, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

==Link captcha==
Would it be possible to add some sites to the captcha's blacklist? Specifically official sites, other wikis, and if even more specialization than domains would be possible, then maybe also official Twitter accounts and such. It's kinda annoying... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 18:12, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
:Or if it's easier, add some custom interwiki prefixes. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
:: It would be nice if the songs in [[Template:Magia_Exedra_Story_Transcript/Music]] were also exempt... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 11:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::: Actually, I have no idea how that wiki does that, but: https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Full-Stop_Office_(reception)#Trivia https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Scarecrow_Searching_for_Wisdom#Trivia it'd be nice if we had icons for other wikis like this wiki does. I have no idea if it's something that all wikis on wiki.gg have, or some more generalized extension, but still. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:29, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:::: This template https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:Character_icon, perhaps? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:Hm, what kind of CAPTCHA did you see? The Madoka question one? I thought I had exempted autoconfirmed users from all kinds of CAPTCHA, I wonder if some built-in extension added a new permission that I need to disable… -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Yeah, the Madoka question one. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 07:45, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

==Subtitled videos==
Apparently, the Exedra in-game videos come with subtitle files. Do we have anything that would happen to support that...? Videos in themselves are directly .m3u8, but the Exedra wiki's resource source stores them as .webm with separate .vtt files, separate ones for English and Japanese. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:27, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure HTML supports combining a video and subtitles in separate files, but I don't know if MediaWiki does… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:34, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

== Display Title ==

<code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> works only when trying to make the page have different capitalizations of letters in the title, but doesn't work when a different title is put in, which would be very helpful for long page titles like the Exedra Kioku pages, so instead of '''Mami Tomoe in Magia Exedra/Tiro Finale Liberation''' it would be just '''Tiro Finale Liberation'''. I don't fully understand how it works but I mainly understood everything from this page [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle], and its just about a rule that needs to be turned off so different titles work, instead of just throwing them into [[:Category:Pages with ignored display titles]]. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:12, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
: If this worked you could use a substring to show every word from the end until it finds a "/" in the name, automatizing the process. I still don't know why there is a setting to use <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> only to get a different format but same title (<code>$wgAllowDisplayTitle</code>) and then another to use custom titles (the one you mentioned, <code>$wgRestrictDisplayTitle</code>), but there is no use complaining about it. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 22:36, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
:: The whole idea of making the display title different seems suspect to begin with… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

::: Some article names are only "like this" because the concept is ambiguous, like [[Shaft (Witch)]] (since studio Shaft also exists). It's also for capitalizing a title differently, it's in [[lighthouse]] and [[fledge]], since the songs' official EN titles are lowercase. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 08:27, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::For capitalizing differently I suppose it could make sense, though personally I'd prefer to just ignore the "official" capitalization and just do "proper" capitalization everywhere. But I seem to be in the minority on that. Still, making the display title different in other cases still seems suspect. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:01, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

::::: What is the benefit of having Shaft (Witch) appear on top instead of just Shaft? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:51, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::: I also don't know what's "suspicious" about changing the display name. If someone uses it to troll changing the display name to bullshit, you can just undo the edits. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 19:30, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::: What is the benefit of having "Shaft" appear on top when the true title is "Shaft (Witch)"? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
==How to mark edits as bot?==
Yo, so, I've been using PyWikiBot to speed up some stuff, and I gotta ask - how do I mark my edits as botted? I got a token, and named it bot, but my edits under that still don't count. Unless I'd have to make a whole new account for that? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:20, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
:Looks like there's a permission requirement to be able to mark your edits as a bot edit? See [[mw:Manual:Bots|Manual:Bots]]. Also, I think your request is more likely to be seen on [[User talk:0x99]]. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:32, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

==Latin rune font==
Hi so I made a font for the Latin runes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dV38PtXzo8P8Cfb_Ko0g_kismHP4JQfC/view?usp=sharing
Can it be added so I can add it to [[Template:Runes]]?
:Done and thanks! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:51, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Oh lord. I accidentally used G for the P glyph. Here's an updated version that *hopefully* has no errors this time: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NH-wxA-7H10knttc77M-agqparkqIbUX/view?usp=sharing [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:38, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Actually, the old runes.tff font with Modern and Archaic variants has some errors, like the old assumption of Modern P and mirrored 8 ([[Talk:Witch_Runes#Modern_"p"]]), plus it doesn't have the new caret, minus, and cyrillic stuff. But the problem is, it has the unidentified rune in the place of ^: [[:File:Archaic_unidentified.svg]]. Is it fine to substitute the ^? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 10:05, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
::: I doubt there are many places that use the unidentified rune? So I'd say it's probably fine to move it to some other code point and substitute the actual ^ into its proper place. Then if there are places that intentionally used the unidentified rune, you can update them to use the new code point for it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:12, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: I've updated the font. Thanks again! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:07, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

=="AI" Policy==

Does this wiki have an Anti-AI policy yet? It seems, though I have little to substantiate it, that some of the more recent edits by newer users contain emdashes where I doubt a person would put them. Is that something we *want*? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 18:35, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
: If we don't we 100% need them, this is an open wiki where you can sign up and immiedietaly start changing things. I'm FULLY against AI, it has no place in a wiki where it can easily get stuff wrong, and it wont even try to make it obvious when it doesnt know stuff (it will just make stuff up). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:59, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Agreed. We don't want AI-written summaries on this wiki. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:21, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

== Guys, we need Vector 2022 for unregistered users. ==

It's a skin or appearance. We don't need Vector 2010. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 00:52, 26 August 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Homura Akemi

2026-08-25T19:18:23Z

Belankt294842: /* The Decorative Hair and Glasses, why is it sometimes here? */

==Spoiler==

Why is there a massive Higurashi spoiler in the trivia section? Specifically the "Homurika" one [[User:Jag|Jag]] ([[User talk:Jag|talk]]) 17:20, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
: ops, added spoiler tag. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] ([[User talk:Prima|talk]]) 19:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
:: Is it okay if we mark it as a Higurashi spoiler as well? I don't think there's any way to know what show the spoiler would be referring to if you haven't watched the show, and they'd have to click on it to find out. -
[[User:Jag|Jag]] ([[User talk:Jag|talk]]) 05:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
::: Added - [[User:Prima|Prima]] ([[User talk:Prima|talk]]) 21:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

== Nutcracker ==

i wanted to add an observation about how Akuma Homura cracks her soul gem between her teeth, like a nutracker. Could I do that? [[User:Leafbladie|Leafbladie]] ([[User talk:Leafbladie|talk]]) 15:07, 27 April 2019 (UTC)leafbladie
:Yeah, I think that's more than appropriate. It fits in line with her theme. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 16:21, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that we move all speculations from this page to a speculation page dedicated to Homura (and possibly the other four main characters). This could be a good occasion to clean up all the stuff that was proven wrong.
:I concur. -[[User:Becquerel|Becquerel]] 04:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::I agree too, if by "clean up" you mean "tag properly", like the wishes thing. No content should be removed IMO, just for "historical accurracy" --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 07:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the speculation moving, but I think we should have a dedicated page for speculation on each character. I have loads of speculation talked over heaps with my brother that I really want to post here... until I saw this. I also think that the speculation pages dedicated to each character should be just for speculah that hasn't been proven right or wrong yet. Theories proved right or wrong should just be placed on the official page on the character. FIFI 00:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:I also agree that something should be done about the speculation. Moving everything unconfirmed doesn't sound like a bad idea (and quite easy to do for this page), but there's also pages like [[Kyoko#Speculations & Observations|Kyoko's]] where everything is even more disorganized. For now, I'd direct you to the [[Theories]] page. Feel free to make a new page there if you have a lot of connected speculation. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 10:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

abour her strong power in the new timeline: maybe because she suffered much in all the previous timelines she got a boost-up just like madoka

I removed stuff that didn't belong on this page (there was speculah about Walpurgis Night's familiars, for example, which is already present on WPN's various pages and doesn't need to be here) as well as the needless arguments on theories that have been debunked. If I knew how to make new pages -and- make said new pages look pretty and formatted, I'd move the whole speculah section to a new page, but my mad skillz at wiki pages go as far as "I can edit text".
:Regarding the theories proven right/wrong, and your editing skills, I made [[Template:Theory/Header|a template]] to classify theories by status (see output [[User:Homerun-chan/Theory_tags|here]]). I do not have the time right now, but I think it'd be a good idea to order the theories by category then --it's in the [[wishlist]] actually --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

==Homura: One Man Army==
¥ 1,383,040,300 ($17,037,114 USD) worth of military weapons and equipment!! Damn, maybe Homura should start with Nicolas Cage in "Lord of War II: The Walpurgis Night Incident" --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:I'm still baffled. I mean, it's hard to believe. RPGs aren't ''that'' expensive. The guy who made the vid must have made some fancy cals. Still... Lord Of War was a great film, and I would buy that squel in the blink of an eye ^^ --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

==HOMU==
[http://www.homelessmuseum.org/ HOMU: The Homeless Museum of Art]. Nothing important, I just found this to be a bit funny. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

==Homura's Stoicism Draft==
I feel like I am juggling with too many ideas. That has always been my problem when trying to make something clear and concise. I am going to need some help to wrinkle out the article once I am done. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:Fitting actually that you mention article. You could post your thoughts freely and put it there. Right now, it feels like you want to write about all the characters and not just Homura. It's also gone beyond the facts to the point that if it stayed on the Homura page, I'd have to say it goes under speculah. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::I moved the draft here. I feel like the writing is going to become larger as I feel like to understand the Homura character we have to also understand her interaction to others as perhaps her personal experience with them and a need for comparison. I wonder If this should become a separate article all together?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

==Understanding Homura's Stoicism==
Homura's emotionless and cold exterior has been misinterpreted and misunderstood by fans and observers alike. This has led to the interpretation that Homura is a dangerous Yandere, others believe her to be a psychopath with littler regard for human lives (with the exception of Madoka), but these interpretations are highly incorrect and inaccurate. This is caused by the misleading first impression we build from lacking a fundamental understanding of her background and personality. To understand Homura it is essential to rewatch some of her scenes and discover the subtle differences from first time viewing for comparison. Once we understand Homura's background and mission and her single obsession to save Madoka viewers would observe Homura in a new light.

Beneath Homura's stoic mask one will uncover the true Homura, a trace of her true self that she tries to shield with an emotional wall to cope with the rising danger of accumulating too much despair. Homura isn't the only character to be misinterpreted and misunderstood for expressing controversial opinions and actions to reach her goal, but their comparison would help to differentiate Homura from the rest of the characters. Homura developed an early survival skill to cope with her new realty to save Madoka.

Homura's Past:

To understand the Homura character it is essential to watch [[Episode 10]] and to listen the drama CD ''[[Drama CD 1|"Memories of you"]]''. First, the Drama CD contains information regarding Homura's difficulty to adapt to a new school setting as a transfer student; no one knows her nor they try to understand her and her struggles. In her new environment Homura experiences school bullying (non-physical), demeaning rumors behind her back, and low opinion about her abilities as a person and as a student. Homura is already a fragile girl with low self-esteem caused by her weak heart and her weak physical body, with the addition of emotional stress caused by her unpopularity at school it is enough to emotionally crush her to the point of driving her to suicide and despair, or at least an enticement under a Witch's spell to end her suffering.

Another source of Homura's emotional transformation are the events taking place in the different timelines in [[Episode 10]]. Homura's experience in different timelines brought her insight into how to formulate different ways to rescue Madoka and stop Walpurgis Night. When a new element of surprised was introduced in the timeline, Homura would formulate a new solution to deviate from the same outcome. The first issue was uncovering the truth about the Puella Magi system, Homura tried to convince the girls that Kyubey was deceiving them. Sayaka reacted with distrust and Mami with skepticism, Madoka as well. The reasons are understandable as Homura is a stranger and a new comer and without any evidence to back her claim they arent ready to accept the truth. However, Mami's and Sayaka's real reasons differentiate with Madoka's and it sheds a light to their character.

Murder:

Mami's character is the embodiment of a humble Ojou-sama and a kind Onee-sama. While Mami exudes class, grace, and beauty, she never flaunts her privilege or status. She tries to become a mentor for Madoka and Sayaka but at the same time tries to caution them that the life of a Puella Magi is not without sacrifice and difficulties. Mami's speech in [[Episode 3]] gives us a glimpse to the kind of life Mami has led so far, a very lonely and solitary life with no one to call a friend. Mami's seriousness is betrayed by her emotional outburst of joy and monologue when Madoka pledges to become a Puella Magi and join together with Mami in her duty to hunt down Witches and protect the city. For the first time we learn that Mami is truly happy with being a Puella Magi. We must consider that while Mami took her responsibility as a Puella Magi with seriousness and professionalism, we can see through flashes that she was unhappy with that type of life. Perhaps we it can interpret her duty as a Puella Magi a form of [[wiki:Noblesse_oblige|''Noblesse Oblige'']].

If [[Episode 3]] uncovers Mami's unhappiness then [[Episode 10]] marks her despair. The nature of her despair requires a deep analysis to understand Mami's lapse of judgement and brief moment of insanity. Given the glimpse we observe regarding Mami's solitary lifestyle and her sacrifice to protect the people and the city, it is understandable as to why Mami lost her composure. One could interpret that all her work and sacrifice was for naught, that the lives she saved would be meaningless once she became a Witch, and that her personal sacrifice and unhappiness contributed to the propagation of a horrifying system. Mami's sense of despair is understandable, however, her following actions contribute to her criticism and are the source of many arguments against her character. Mami's early impression is shattered once she gives in into despair and we glimpse into her weakest moment as a human being. But on the other hand it could be interpreted as the next logical step into a world that has gone mad. Mami knows that her friends have no future, that it is only a matter of time they will become Witches, to spare them of their suffering (and her own) and halt the death of future victims at their hands as Witches she decides that death (and suicide) is the logical and noble choice. No matter the interpretation or justification to fans what Mami did is considered an unforgivable act. What Mami committed was an act of betrayal by killing her ''kouhai'', she commits murder by attempting to take their lives without their consent and consultation.

Surprisingly the Anime series presents different acts that involves killing and murder under different circumstances. And each act requires to be judged on their own. If Mami's action in [[Episode 10]] can be interpreted as a betrayal (or desperation), then Madoka's action to stop Mami's murdering rampage can be interpreted as an act of self-defense and justifiable homicide, acting in defense of others (or in this case an attempt to save Homura). Many fans have criticized Madoka as a helpless crybaby, but this (horrifying) single act of bravery demonstrates Madoka's measure as a Puella Magi and as a person. Not only is she willing to take personal risks to save others, but she is also willing to make the tough choices when the situation calls for it, even if it means killing a friend to save another. Madoka is not a helpless character, she is only helpless because she is unsure what to do to make things right. True to Madoka's character she understands the danger she is imposing by becoming a Witch, rather than use the Grief Seed to save her own life she saves Homura with no regrets, then she asks Homura to do the unthinkable. Under the agony of pain and sorrow Homura commits a merciful killing by stoping Madoka's transformation into a Witch. This is not the act of a cold blooded killer (which she has been accused to be many times) but that of a friend under duress.

In no moment during the series Homura has been a senseless cold blooded killer or a murderer (under the narrow definition), it could be said that she has expressed her opinion to take bold action when the moment requires it, that includes taking a life (just like Madoka did). Which lead us to another controversy and criticism.

Sayaka:

==Transformation Runes==
People who have watched episode 11's blu-ray version must have noticed that Homura's transformation got a major overhaul, including a large quantity of spinning, floating runes.

Would anyone be able to take high-quality screenshots of these so that they can be translated? I'm willing to do it, if someone uploads screenshots.

:Here you go. http://imageshack.us/g/812/vlcsnap2011101601h39m36.png/
:From what I've seen, they just appear to be numbers. In the first pic in the uploaded album, from left to right :

:5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6

:Each rune that appears is a number.

::Oh... huh... here I was expecting some sort of hidden message, but I guess it's just obeying the new theme of her transformation? Gauges? Tons of gauges? I would have expected clocks, honestly, or gears (no reference to Walpurgisnacht, though). Though I guess the gauges are sort of clocks...

:::My first thought wasn't that they were gauges, but more like old, analog stopwatches.[[Special:Contributions/216.54.82.164|216.54.82.164]] 14:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

==Akemi Homura’s Seiyuu: Chiwa Saitou’s Live Dubbing Session on AFA11==
[[File:Chiwaguest.jpg|right|200px]]
http://www.animeotakucorner.com/2011/11/09/akemi-homuras-seiyuu-chiwa-saitous-live-dubbing-session-on-afa11/

''Chiwa Saitou, the Seiyuu(Voice Actress) from the popular anime series Puella Magi Madoka Magica’s Akemi Homura will have her own Live Dubbing Session. The event will take place on AFA11′s Main Stage on November 12(Saturday) at 2:15pm. It will be called as ‘Puella Magi Madoka Magica – Akemi Homura Special!’''

''You can also [http://www.animefestival.asia/form/view.php?id=20 ask a question for her.] There is a possibility that your question will appear on stage so why not risk it?'' --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
:The date for the session (Nov 12th) has already passed. Here's a small [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZmLzxCr5P8 vid clip] of it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:Now some [http://www.dannychoo.com/post/ja/26325/%E6%96%8E%E8%97%A4%E5%8D%83%E5%92%8C.html pics]. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:50, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Ok, we really should have a seiyuu page... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Out of curiosity, was there a transcript or is there an article covering the event? It would be nice to have some information so we can add later on. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:17, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

== Ties to Walpurgis Night ==

This is sort of in response to the idea that Homura may be Walpurgis Night. Since Walpurgis Night is a conglomeration of witches, it certainly can't be Homura, at least not Homura alone. On the card for Walpurgis Night, it says that Walpurgis Night has a helpless nature, which Homura shares. She becomes a Puella Magi to save Madoka, which she continually fails to do. After her first revert of time she is an especially useless fighter. In episode three, Homura is bound up and unable to prevent Mami's death. However the card description also says that Walpurgis Night "will continue to rotate aimlessly until the whole of this age into a drama." Aimless hardly describes Akemi Homura, who is extremely focused on her goal.

Yet the similarities between them are strong, and I have theory to explain it.

In episode ten Homura states that Mami's fate is inevitable, she is killed in every possible timeline. Following this fate idea, it maybe that for each Magi there is a rival witch (or witches) who she fights in all timelines. Each witch of plot significance has strong similarities to the Magi that fights her.

'''Charlotte''' has a love for sweets, or at least a theme based around sweets. Mami is seen several times eating cake. According to her card, her nature is tenacity, which could be applied to Mami wish to survive an accident.

'''Elly''' has a covetous nature, which we see a little of in Sakaya, who doesn't react well to Hitomi's pursual of Kamijou. Elly also closed herself off from the world, as did Sakaya following her transformation into a Magi. They also share an affinity for water.

'''Elsa Maria''' has trouble fitting in this theory because she has ties to both Sayaka and Kyoko. For the purposes of this theory, lets assume she was destined for Kyoko. Kyoko has the church connection and at one point held feelings of "self-righteousness" as described on Elsa's card. Kyoko's jointed spear has similarities to the snakes which Elsa Maria fights with. Elsa Maria is worshiping a torch held out by an arm. The similarity of this torch to that held by Lady Liberty gives a (admitted tenuous) connection to Kyoko's personal freedom.

'''Walpurgis Night''' is also troublesome in her similarities to both Homura and Madoka. Both experience feelings of helplessness and have been seen fighting the witch in multiple timelines. For the purposes of the theory I will compare her only to Madoka. Walpurgis Night has very far reaching goals "turning the whole world into a drama," as does Madoka who wishes to make a sort of heaven on earth. Walpurgis Night has red jewels on her sleeve (heart on sleeve maybe?), while Madoka's color is pink which could be a near affinity. Also note the similarities between Madoka's witch-form, which together make an hour glass. Walpurgis Night may also continually reappear in the same place to find Madoka. This does not work perfectly, of course, Homura does much the same thing. If we assume that Homura IS Walpurgis Night (partially anyway), this opens up the connection to Madoka, rahter than diminishing it. Walpurgis Night's familiars of many witches has relevance to Madoka's role as a Magi saving other Magi from falling into despair. While Homura's reappearances are tethered to a single short period of time, Madoka appears all over the world in many times and time-lines, as does Walpurgis Night. Both also meet (and destroy) many Magi.

Finally, if Madoka's rival witch is Walpurgis Night, then perhaps Homura has a rival in '''Gertrude'''. Gertrude has many war-related objects in her world, which ties in nicely to Homura's dependence on Modern weapons. Of most significance is the butterfly theme. Homura's transformation from a weak and helpless girl into her bow-weilding final form as a Puella Magi is very comparible to the metamorphasis of the butterfly. Butterflies are also related to the "betterfly effect", which is a theme played on in Madoka. Homura's devotion to and protection of Madoka is similar to Gertrud's care for her roses. The roses share a color affinity with Madoka. Gertrude has an insincere nature according to her card, which she may share with Homura in that Homura is forced to tell lies and behave coldly toward her friends in later timelines. Also signficant is presence of an Anthony (one of Gertrude's minions) at the end of the World. The Anthony certainly strengthen's Homura's ties to Gertrude, however it also complicates things for the theory. If the world is being destroyed, what business does an Anthony have chatting with Homura away from said world (and Gertrude). There's room to speculate if Homura ''is'' Gertrude, but again, since this does not fit into the theory let's just assume minions and familiars are capable of a little independence. Characteristic of the single-minded rivals, when they do meet, they do not make any efforts to fight each other, Homura is concerned with killing Kyubei and Gertrude is concerned with her roses. When confronted they both run away.

I think I might be on to something here. Let me know what you think!
[[User:OnionJack|OnionJack]] 14:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)Onion Jack (Thomas)
:As for the Anthony at the end of the world, a simple explanation is that Anthonies were the first witch-realm creatures Madoka encountered in the main timeline, so Madoka (who likes fluffy things) thinks of them as representatives of the magical world. (On a production level, Inu Curry said that Anthonies were their favorite)

:I'm not convinced of direct connections between the girls and witches (in the sense of them being counterparts or witch forms of the girls), but it wouldn't be so strange if magical beings with things in common have a tendency to find each other kind of like how stand users in JoJo do. The runes in Charlotte's barrier talking about Mami and Homu could indicate witches experiencing things like Madoka's dream from the beginning of ep 1. [[User:KM|KM]] 21:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== Homura's route in PSP game ==

I'm curious where such story can be found since I only learn that their fate can be changed. But I don't know what will happen next. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

== Anyone knows the meaning/purpose of those short cut in scenes of Homura turning her head? ==

I remember 2 of them. Not sure if there are more.

Episode 5 at 12:22

Episode 11 at 15:30

They just don't seem to fit in. As if they are not really happening right then and there.

[[Special:Contributions/84.179.144.20|84.179.144.20]] 20:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

[[File:Shaft head tilt.jpg|thumb]]
Something like that? ->

Ah, the infamous shaft head tilt. [[SHAFT]], the anime studio behind Madoka, is known for these sorts of strange directional touches. After [[Shinbo]] came along, along with sparse setting, post-modern architecture, quick eye cuts, fancy typography slides, and etc have became SHAFT's calling card. You can see these elements in pretty much every show SHAFT has worked on since. Madoka is actually fairly benign on these eccentricities. Check out [[Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei]] or [[Bakemonogatari]] for these coming out in full force.

Now, concerning what it means - when you see a cut of a character quick turn and tilts her head slightly... It can mean a turn in mood; a shift in focus; a change of mind. Honestly though, it doesn't mean much. It's just something Shaft does. It's simply "Shaft being Shaft."
- [[User:Prima|Prima]] 17:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

== Age ==

Homura is same age as Madoka so Homura is 14 not 13 !!!
[[Special:Contributions/198.47.101.2|198.47.101.2]] 00:12, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

== What's going on with the edit wars?! ==

All of this adding and removing is putting this page's progress to a standstill. Can't we all get our ideas out in a way that doesn't intertwine/interrupt someone else's edit? T^T And then people remove the work of others to put their own... then they put it back... If you would like, use this section to try to sort everyone's thoughts on what to put where so that we all have our contributions and ideas that we worked on for the wiki mixed in there somewhere and having them transition in a nice and smooth manner without all of this extra misplaced stuff lying around. I don't want to feel like I have to look at older revisions of this page in order to get all of the information I'm looking for. It should be unnecessary, it's too time consuming, and it validates my point. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 16:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Someone apparently doesn't like the fact that the observations section calls Homura's behavior unhealthy and abusive and points out all the ways it is (and also ones like "Madoka using honorifics with her name visibly upsets her", for whatever reason), so they're constantly removing the information. It's pretty childish if you ask me. The page/section should probably get locked for a while (though it should be locked on a revision that has the abuse analysis on it. It's important and the kind of thing that people should really know about). --[[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 20:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Can't we have both sides of the argument on the page? I mean, it's unfair to delete another's work just because you disagree with it, but we could find a way to make both ideas separate sections. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 23:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

There's not two separate ideas. It's one section (and then a few other bits) that keep being deleted by petty people who don't like the idea of their precious Homura being called abusive and unhealthy. I say we lock the page for a while to stop the edit war; maybe that'll even kill it. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 23:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, so it's just deletion and vandalism!? I thought I saw some links being posted about her actions being justified in someone else's view. I was under the impression that it was just conflicting ideas. Sorry about that. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 23:56, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

There ''have'' been, but I've read the argument and it's not "justification" so much as it is excusing Homura's actions/essentially abuse apologism, so it's not acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 00:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for beating a dead horse, but most of that tumblr post is not a "justification" either for Homura's behaviour at all. That post just feels like trying to paint Homura in a bad light. There are already many analysis that debunked that tumblr post so I'm going to add them soon. --[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 21:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

This isn't a tumblr post. It's a 'wiki'. Besides, shouldn't wikis be at least neutral? But there are many and many conflicts with homura, though. boop Anon 23:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I was talking about the tumblr post under the 'observation' section. And that one observation point where some viewers said Homura is an abusive person. And yes, wiki should be neutral which is why I'll also be adding the analysis about Homura not being an abusive person. --[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 00:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I removed the alleged informations since they were actually false and was added by someone who hates Homura which explains that they were trying make her look like an abuser/psycho. However, if you guys feel what I did was unfair/rude, then feel free to undo my edits. However, I could easily explain and show that Homura doesn't fit the "Psychopath" textbook and how she isn't really abusive towards Madoka, and that she actually cares about the others. I would also add some quotes from writer Jed A. Blue to show what they observed about Homura's behaviour.--[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 18:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

== The First Month ==

Howdy folks. Given that the anime came out in 2011, and Homura gets out of the hospital on the 16th, and that day is shown to be falling on Wednesday, then the month her time loop starts in is March for certain. Granted, the calendar doesn't show what day the week starts on (most have Sunday as the first day of the week, but a few use Monday, though these are usually business or payroll calendars) and MAYBE the year isn't 2011 in the anime... But I don't see why not when everything else lines up just fine. Occam's Razor and all. [[User:BlackAeronaut|BlackAeronaut]] ([[User talk:BlackAeronaut|talk]]) 14:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

== Regarding her powers ==

Hello, I'd like to discuss this because I haven't seen it brought up anywhere else. Homura's "Powers & Abilities" section only seems to list her time manipulation, which is all what they look like to an extent. However, didn't she shoot pink magic at Kyubey right in [[Episode 1]] (which was remembered in [[Episode 10]], too)? It looks like something unrelated to manipulating time, unless that is connected with manipulating space somehow. [[User:Paradi0x|Paradi0x]] ([[User talk:Paradi0x|talk]]) 17:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

== Homura's VA in Mexican Spanish ==

Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me to put Homura's VA in the mexican spanish dub of Magia Record, I can't edit Homura's page like other characters. The name of the VA that played Homura in Magia Record's Anime is "Fernanda Ornelas". Thanks

[[User:Karminja|Karminja]] ([[User talk:Karminja|talk]]) 05:20, 23 April 2023 (UTC) Karminja

:I believe your account needs to be 1 week old to edit protected pages, so if no-one else does it, you can wait a few days and do it yourself. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]])
::Listo. Gracias por notificarnos. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 19:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

== Family ==

I think I saw a translation of MMPortable that says that she has two parents. I'm hesitant to add this to her page since this is a fan translation, though. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 15:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Weapons ==
I think it's better to leave in the bit about "Homura has been shown to use ...". Hand guns, pipe bombs, and golf clubs aren't her magical girl weapon. She actively has to either make or steal those items otherwise she wouldn't have them. Her only real weapons are the shield or the black bow & arrow in wraith arc. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 01:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

== Adding Devil Homura infobox images here too ==

I've seen that the [[Madoka]] page has both her "normal" appearances and her [[Ultimate Madoka]] appearances. Should we then add [[Devil Homura]] appearances too here (with the exception of [[:File:Devil Homura WR.jpg|her real "devil" appearance]], of course)? I think either we have both pages with all of them or we treat them as separate and remove those infobox images in the Madoka page too. I'm fine with any of the two. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 08:31, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
:The way I see it, Ultimate Madoka is a being made up of the Law of Cycles and Madoka, so when Homura rips Madoka from Ultimate Madoka, Madoka returns to being normal. Obviously she still has some connection to the law of cycles (end of rebellion) but I do think that the Madoka we see in Walpurgisnacht Rising can't be considered Ultimate Madoka. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:35, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
:: Well, at least that reasoning would explain why the Ultimate Madoka page still has that promoted article image instead of any (or all) of those from Rising. I'm still not sure about that distinction, but I will wait until I watch Rising to reach a conclusion. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 10:14, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

== The Decorative Hair and Glasses, why is it sometimes here? ==

Look at the difference.

[[File:Homura School Full.png|250px]]
[[File:Episode 10 (4).png|250px]]

I have no idea why she sometimes have decorative hair or sometimes have glasses. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 19:11, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Homura Akemi

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Belankt294842: Bruh.

==Spoiler==

Why is there a massive Higurashi spoiler in the trivia section? Specifically the "Homurika" one [[User:Jag|Jag]] ([[User talk:Jag|talk]]) 17:20, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
: ops, added spoiler tag. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] ([[User talk:Prima|talk]]) 19:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
:: Is it okay if we mark it as a Higurashi spoiler as well? I don't think there's any way to know what show the spoiler would be referring to if you haven't watched the show, and they'd have to click on it to find out. -
[[User:Jag|Jag]] ([[User talk:Jag|talk]]) 05:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
::: Added - [[User:Prima|Prima]] ([[User talk:Prima|talk]]) 21:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

== Nutcracker ==

i wanted to add an observation about how Akuma Homura cracks her soul gem between her teeth, like a nutracker. Could I do that? [[User:Leafbladie|Leafbladie]] ([[User talk:Leafbladie|talk]]) 15:07, 27 April 2019 (UTC)leafbladie
:Yeah, I think that's more than appropriate. It fits in line with her theme. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 16:21, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that we move all speculations from this page to a speculation page dedicated to Homura (and possibly the other four main characters). This could be a good occasion to clean up all the stuff that was proven wrong.
:I concur. -[[User:Becquerel|Becquerel]] 04:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::I agree too, if by "clean up" you mean "tag properly", like the wishes thing. No content should be removed IMO, just for "historical accurracy" --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 07:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the speculation moving, but I think we should have a dedicated page for speculation on each character. I have loads of speculation talked over heaps with my brother that I really want to post here... until I saw this. I also think that the speculation pages dedicated to each character should be just for speculah that hasn't been proven right or wrong yet. Theories proved right or wrong should just be placed on the official page on the character. FIFI 00:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:I also agree that something should be done about the speculation. Moving everything unconfirmed doesn't sound like a bad idea (and quite easy to do for this page), but there's also pages like [[Kyoko#Speculations & Observations|Kyoko's]] where everything is even more disorganized. For now, I'd direct you to the [[Theories]] page. Feel free to make a new page there if you have a lot of connected speculation. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 10:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

abour her strong power in the new timeline: maybe because she suffered much in all the previous timelines she got a boost-up just like madoka

I removed stuff that didn't belong on this page (there was speculah about Walpurgis Night's familiars, for example, which is already present on WPN's various pages and doesn't need to be here) as well as the needless arguments on theories that have been debunked. If I knew how to make new pages -and- make said new pages look pretty and formatted, I'd move the whole speculah section to a new page, but my mad skillz at wiki pages go as far as "I can edit text".
:Regarding the theories proven right/wrong, and your editing skills, I made [[Template:Theory/Header|a template]] to classify theories by status (see output [[User:Homerun-chan/Theory_tags|here]]). I do not have the time right now, but I think it'd be a good idea to order the theories by category then --it's in the [[wishlist]] actually --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

==Homura: One Man Army==
¥ 1,383,040,300 ($17,037,114 USD) worth of military weapons and equipment!! Damn, maybe Homura should start with Nicolas Cage in "Lord of War II: The Walpurgis Night Incident" --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:I'm still baffled. I mean, it's hard to believe. RPGs aren't ''that'' expensive. The guy who made the vid must have made some fancy cals. Still... Lord Of War was a great film, and I would buy that squel in the blink of an eye ^^ --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

==HOMU==
[http://www.homelessmuseum.org/ HOMU: The Homeless Museum of Art]. Nothing important, I just found this to be a bit funny. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

==Homura's Stoicism Draft==
I feel like I am juggling with too many ideas. That has always been my problem when trying to make something clear and concise. I am going to need some help to wrinkle out the article once I am done. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:Fitting actually that you mention article. You could post your thoughts freely and put it there. Right now, it feels like you want to write about all the characters and not just Homura. It's also gone beyond the facts to the point that if it stayed on the Homura page, I'd have to say it goes under speculah. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::I moved the draft here. I feel like the writing is going to become larger as I feel like to understand the Homura character we have to also understand her interaction to others as perhaps her personal experience with them and a need for comparison. I wonder If this should become a separate article all together?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

==Understanding Homura's Stoicism==
Homura's emotionless and cold exterior has been misinterpreted and misunderstood by fans and observers alike. This has led to the interpretation that Homura is a dangerous Yandere, others believe her to be a psychopath with littler regard for human lives (with the exception of Madoka), but these interpretations are highly incorrect and inaccurate. This is caused by the misleading first impression we build from lacking a fundamental understanding of her background and personality. To understand Homura it is essential to rewatch some of her scenes and discover the subtle differences from first time viewing for comparison. Once we understand Homura's background and mission and her single obsession to save Madoka viewers would observe Homura in a new light.

Beneath Homura's stoic mask one will uncover the true Homura, a trace of her true self that she tries to shield with an emotional wall to cope with the rising danger of accumulating too much despair. Homura isn't the only character to be misinterpreted and misunderstood for expressing controversial opinions and actions to reach her goal, but their comparison would help to differentiate Homura from the rest of the characters. Homura developed an early survival skill to cope with her new realty to save Madoka.

Homura's Past:

To understand the Homura character it is essential to watch [[Episode 10]] and to listen the drama CD ''[[Drama CD 1|"Memories of you"]]''. First, the Drama CD contains information regarding Homura's difficulty to adapt to a new school setting as a transfer student; no one knows her nor they try to understand her and her struggles. In her new environment Homura experiences school bullying (non-physical), demeaning rumors behind her back, and low opinion about her abilities as a person and as a student. Homura is already a fragile girl with low self-esteem caused by her weak heart and her weak physical body, with the addition of emotional stress caused by her unpopularity at school it is enough to emotionally crush her to the point of driving her to suicide and despair, or at least an enticement under a Witch's spell to end her suffering.

Another source of Homura's emotional transformation are the events taking place in the different timelines in [[Episode 10]]. Homura's experience in different timelines brought her insight into how to formulate different ways to rescue Madoka and stop Walpurgis Night. When a new element of surprised was introduced in the timeline, Homura would formulate a new solution to deviate from the same outcome. The first issue was uncovering the truth about the Puella Magi system, Homura tried to convince the girls that Kyubey was deceiving them. Sayaka reacted with distrust and Mami with skepticism, Madoka as well. The reasons are understandable as Homura is a stranger and a new comer and without any evidence to back her claim they arent ready to accept the truth. However, Mami's and Sayaka's real reasons differentiate with Madoka's and it sheds a light to their character.

Murder:

Mami's character is the embodiment of a humble Ojou-sama and a kind Onee-sama. While Mami exudes class, grace, and beauty, she never flaunts her privilege or status. She tries to become a mentor for Madoka and Sayaka but at the same time tries to caution them that the life of a Puella Magi is not without sacrifice and difficulties. Mami's speech in [[Episode 3]] gives us a glimpse to the kind of life Mami has led so far, a very lonely and solitary life with no one to call a friend. Mami's seriousness is betrayed by her emotional outburst of joy and monologue when Madoka pledges to become a Puella Magi and join together with Mami in her duty to hunt down Witches and protect the city. For the first time we learn that Mami is truly happy with being a Puella Magi. We must consider that while Mami took her responsibility as a Puella Magi with seriousness and professionalism, we can see through flashes that she was unhappy with that type of life. Perhaps we it can interpret her duty as a Puella Magi a form of [[wiki:Noblesse_oblige|''Noblesse Oblige'']].

If [[Episode 3]] uncovers Mami's unhappiness then [[Episode 10]] marks her despair. The nature of her despair requires a deep analysis to understand Mami's lapse of judgement and brief moment of insanity. Given the glimpse we observe regarding Mami's solitary lifestyle and her sacrifice to protect the people and the city, it is understandable as to why Mami lost her composure. One could interpret that all her work and sacrifice was for naught, that the lives she saved would be meaningless once she became a Witch, and that her personal sacrifice and unhappiness contributed to the propagation of a horrifying system. Mami's sense of despair is understandable, however, her following actions contribute to her criticism and are the source of many arguments against her character. Mami's early impression is shattered once she gives in into despair and we glimpse into her weakest moment as a human being. But on the other hand it could be interpreted as the next logical step into a world that has gone mad. Mami knows that her friends have no future, that it is only a matter of time they will become Witches, to spare them of their suffering (and her own) and halt the death of future victims at their hands as Witches she decides that death (and suicide) is the logical and noble choice. No matter the interpretation or justification to fans what Mami did is considered an unforgivable act. What Mami committed was an act of betrayal by killing her ''kouhai'', she commits murder by attempting to take their lives without their consent and consultation.

Surprisingly the Anime series presents different acts that involves killing and murder under different circumstances. And each act requires to be judged on their own. If Mami's action in [[Episode 10]] can be interpreted as a betrayal (or desperation), then Madoka's action to stop Mami's murdering rampage can be interpreted as an act of self-defense and justifiable homicide, acting in defense of others (or in this case an attempt to save Homura). Many fans have criticized Madoka as a helpless crybaby, but this (horrifying) single act of bravery demonstrates Madoka's measure as a Puella Magi and as a person. Not only is she willing to take personal risks to save others, but she is also willing to make the tough choices when the situation calls for it, even if it means killing a friend to save another. Madoka is not a helpless character, she is only helpless because she is unsure what to do to make things right. True to Madoka's character she understands the danger she is imposing by becoming a Witch, rather than use the Grief Seed to save her own life she saves Homura with no regrets, then she asks Homura to do the unthinkable. Under the agony of pain and sorrow Homura commits a merciful killing by stoping Madoka's transformation into a Witch. This is not the act of a cold blooded killer (which she has been accused to be many times) but that of a friend under duress.

In no moment during the series Homura has been a senseless cold blooded killer or a murderer (under the narrow definition), it could be said that she has expressed her opinion to take bold action when the moment requires it, that includes taking a life (just like Madoka did). Which lead us to another controversy and criticism.

Sayaka:

==Transformation Runes==
People who have watched episode 11's blu-ray version must have noticed that Homura's transformation got a major overhaul, including a large quantity of spinning, floating runes.

Would anyone be able to take high-quality screenshots of these so that they can be translated? I'm willing to do it, if someone uploads screenshots.

:Here you go. http://imageshack.us/g/812/vlcsnap2011101601h39m36.png/
:From what I've seen, they just appear to be numbers. In the first pic in the uploaded album, from left to right :

:5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6

:Each rune that appears is a number.

::Oh... huh... here I was expecting some sort of hidden message, but I guess it's just obeying the new theme of her transformation? Gauges? Tons of gauges? I would have expected clocks, honestly, or gears (no reference to Walpurgisnacht, though). Though I guess the gauges are sort of clocks...

:::My first thought wasn't that they were gauges, but more like old, analog stopwatches.[[Special:Contributions/216.54.82.164|216.54.82.164]] 14:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

==Akemi Homura’s Seiyuu: Chiwa Saitou’s Live Dubbing Session on AFA11==
[[File:Chiwaguest.jpg|right|200px]]
http://www.animeotakucorner.com/2011/11/09/akemi-homuras-seiyuu-chiwa-saitous-live-dubbing-session-on-afa11/

''Chiwa Saitou, the Seiyuu(Voice Actress) from the popular anime series Puella Magi Madoka Magica’s Akemi Homura will have her own Live Dubbing Session. The event will take place on AFA11′s Main Stage on November 12(Saturday) at 2:15pm. It will be called as ‘Puella Magi Madoka Magica – Akemi Homura Special!’''

''You can also [http://www.animefestival.asia/form/view.php?id=20 ask a question for her.] There is a possibility that your question will appear on stage so why not risk it?'' --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
:The date for the session (Nov 12th) has already passed. Here's a small [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZmLzxCr5P8 vid clip] of it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:Now some [http://www.dannychoo.com/post/ja/26325/%E6%96%8E%E8%97%A4%E5%8D%83%E5%92%8C.html pics]. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:50, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Ok, we really should have a seiyuu page... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Out of curiosity, was there a transcript or is there an article covering the event? It would be nice to have some information so we can add later on. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:17, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

== Ties to Walpurgis Night ==

This is sort of in response to the idea that Homura may be Walpurgis Night. Since Walpurgis Night is a conglomeration of witches, it certainly can't be Homura, at least not Homura alone. On the card for Walpurgis Night, it says that Walpurgis Night has a helpless nature, which Homura shares. She becomes a Puella Magi to save Madoka, which she continually fails to do. After her first revert of time she is an especially useless fighter. In episode three, Homura is bound up and unable to prevent Mami's death. However the card description also says that Walpurgis Night "will continue to rotate aimlessly until the whole of this age into a drama." Aimless hardly describes Akemi Homura, who is extremely focused on her goal.

Yet the similarities between them are strong, and I have theory to explain it.

In episode ten Homura states that Mami's fate is inevitable, she is killed in every possible timeline. Following this fate idea, it maybe that for each Magi there is a rival witch (or witches) who she fights in all timelines. Each witch of plot significance has strong similarities to the Magi that fights her.

'''Charlotte''' has a love for sweets, or at least a theme based around sweets. Mami is seen several times eating cake. According to her card, her nature is tenacity, which could be applied to Mami wish to survive an accident.

'''Elly''' has a covetous nature, which we see a little of in Sakaya, who doesn't react well to Hitomi's pursual of Kamijou. Elly also closed herself off from the world, as did Sakaya following her transformation into a Magi. They also share an affinity for water.

'''Elsa Maria''' has trouble fitting in this theory because she has ties to both Sayaka and Kyoko. For the purposes of this theory, lets assume she was destined for Kyoko. Kyoko has the church connection and at one point held feelings of "self-righteousness" as described on Elsa's card. Kyoko's jointed spear has similarities to the snakes which Elsa Maria fights with. Elsa Maria is worshiping a torch held out by an arm. The similarity of this torch to that held by Lady Liberty gives a (admitted tenuous) connection to Kyoko's personal freedom.

'''Walpurgis Night''' is also troublesome in her similarities to both Homura and Madoka. Both experience feelings of helplessness and have been seen fighting the witch in multiple timelines. For the purposes of the theory I will compare her only to Madoka. Walpurgis Night has very far reaching goals "turning the whole world into a drama," as does Madoka who wishes to make a sort of heaven on earth. Walpurgis Night has red jewels on her sleeve (heart on sleeve maybe?), while Madoka's color is pink which could be a near affinity. Also note the similarities between Madoka's witch-form, which together make an hour glass. Walpurgis Night may also continually reappear in the same place to find Madoka. This does not work perfectly, of course, Homura does much the same thing. If we assume that Homura IS Walpurgis Night (partially anyway), this opens up the connection to Madoka, rahter than diminishing it. Walpurgis Night's familiars of many witches has relevance to Madoka's role as a Magi saving other Magi from falling into despair. While Homura's reappearances are tethered to a single short period of time, Madoka appears all over the world in many times and time-lines, as does Walpurgis Night. Both also meet (and destroy) many Magi.

Finally, if Madoka's rival witch is Walpurgis Night, then perhaps Homura has a rival in '''Gertrude'''. Gertrude has many war-related objects in her world, which ties in nicely to Homura's dependence on Modern weapons. Of most significance is the butterfly theme. Homura's transformation from a weak and helpless girl into her bow-weilding final form as a Puella Magi is very comparible to the metamorphasis of the butterfly. Butterflies are also related to the "betterfly effect", which is a theme played on in Madoka. Homura's devotion to and protection of Madoka is similar to Gertrud's care for her roses. The roses share a color affinity with Madoka. Gertrude has an insincere nature according to her card, which she may share with Homura in that Homura is forced to tell lies and behave coldly toward her friends in later timelines. Also signficant is presence of an Anthony (one of Gertrude's minions) at the end of the World. The Anthony certainly strengthen's Homura's ties to Gertrude, however it also complicates things for the theory. If the world is being destroyed, what business does an Anthony have chatting with Homura away from said world (and Gertrude). There's room to speculate if Homura ''is'' Gertrude, but again, since this does not fit into the theory let's just assume minions and familiars are capable of a little independence. Characteristic of the single-minded rivals, when they do meet, they do not make any efforts to fight each other, Homura is concerned with killing Kyubei and Gertrude is concerned with her roses. When confronted they both run away.

I think I might be on to something here. Let me know what you think!
[[User:OnionJack|OnionJack]] 14:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)Onion Jack (Thomas)
:As for the Anthony at the end of the world, a simple explanation is that Anthonies were the first witch-realm creatures Madoka encountered in the main timeline, so Madoka (who likes fluffy things) thinks of them as representatives of the magical world. (On a production level, Inu Curry said that Anthonies were their favorite)

:I'm not convinced of direct connections between the girls and witches (in the sense of them being counterparts or witch forms of the girls), but it wouldn't be so strange if magical beings with things in common have a tendency to find each other kind of like how stand users in JoJo do. The runes in Charlotte's barrier talking about Mami and Homu could indicate witches experiencing things like Madoka's dream from the beginning of ep 1. [[User:KM|KM]] 21:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== Homura's route in PSP game ==

I'm curious where such story can be found since I only learn that their fate can be changed. But I don't know what will happen next. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

== Anyone knows the meaning/purpose of those short cut in scenes of Homura turning her head? ==

I remember 2 of them. Not sure if there are more.

Episode 5 at 12:22

Episode 11 at 15:30

They just don't seem to fit in. As if they are not really happening right then and there.

[[Special:Contributions/84.179.144.20|84.179.144.20]] 20:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

[[File:Shaft head tilt.jpg|thumb]]
Something like that? ->

Ah, the infamous shaft head tilt. [[SHAFT]], the anime studio behind Madoka, is known for these sorts of strange directional touches. After [[Shinbo]] came along, along with sparse setting, post-modern architecture, quick eye cuts, fancy typography slides, and etc have became SHAFT's calling card. You can see these elements in pretty much every show SHAFT has worked on since. Madoka is actually fairly benign on these eccentricities. Check out [[Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei]] or [[Bakemonogatari]] for these coming out in full force.

Now, concerning what it means - when you see a cut of a character quick turn and tilts her head slightly... It can mean a turn in mood; a shift in focus; a change of mind. Honestly though, it doesn't mean much. It's just something Shaft does. It's simply "Shaft being Shaft."
- [[User:Prima|Prima]] 17:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

== Age ==

Homura is same age as Madoka so Homura is 14 not 13 !!!
[[Special:Contributions/198.47.101.2|198.47.101.2]] 00:12, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

== What's going on with the edit wars?! ==

All of this adding and removing is putting this page's progress to a standstill. Can't we all get our ideas out in a way that doesn't intertwine/interrupt someone else's edit? T^T And then people remove the work of others to put their own... then they put it back... If you would like, use this section to try to sort everyone's thoughts on what to put where so that we all have our contributions and ideas that we worked on for the wiki mixed in there somewhere and having them transition in a nice and smooth manner without all of this extra misplaced stuff lying around. I don't want to feel like I have to look at older revisions of this page in order to get all of the information I'm looking for. It should be unnecessary, it's too time consuming, and it validates my point. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 16:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Someone apparently doesn't like the fact that the observations section calls Homura's behavior unhealthy and abusive and points out all the ways it is (and also ones like "Madoka using honorifics with her name visibly upsets her", for whatever reason), so they're constantly removing the information. It's pretty childish if you ask me. The page/section should probably get locked for a while (though it should be locked on a revision that has the abuse analysis on it. It's important and the kind of thing that people should really know about). --[[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 20:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Can't we have both sides of the argument on the page? I mean, it's unfair to delete another's work just because you disagree with it, but we could find a way to make both ideas separate sections. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 23:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

There's not two separate ideas. It's one section (and then a few other bits) that keep being deleted by petty people who don't like the idea of their precious Homura being called abusive and unhealthy. I say we lock the page for a while to stop the edit war; maybe that'll even kill it. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 23:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, so it's just deletion and vandalism!? I thought I saw some links being posted about her actions being justified in someone else's view. I was under the impression that it was just conflicting ideas. Sorry about that. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 23:56, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

There ''have'' been, but I've read the argument and it's not "justification" so much as it is excusing Homura's actions/essentially abuse apologism, so it's not acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 00:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for beating a dead horse, but most of that tumblr post is not a "justification" either for Homura's behaviour at all. That post just feels like trying to paint Homura in a bad light. There are already many analysis that debunked that tumblr post so I'm going to add them soon. --[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 21:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

This isn't a tumblr post. It's a 'wiki'. Besides, shouldn't wikis be at least neutral? But there are many and many conflicts with homura, though. boop Anon 23:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I was talking about the tumblr post under the 'observation' section. And that one observation point where some viewers said Homura is an abusive person. And yes, wiki should be neutral which is why I'll also be adding the analysis about Homura not being an abusive person. --[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 00:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I removed the alleged informations since they were actually false and was added by someone who hates Homura which explains that they were trying make her look like an abuser/psycho. However, if you guys feel what I did was unfair/rude, then feel free to undo my edits. However, I could easily explain and show that Homura doesn't fit the "Psychopath" textbook and how she isn't really abusive towards Madoka, and that she actually cares about the others. I would also add some quotes from writer Jed A. Blue to show what they observed about Homura's behaviour.--[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 18:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

== The First Month ==

Howdy folks. Given that the anime came out in 2011, and Homura gets out of the hospital on the 16th, and that day is shown to be falling on Wednesday, then the month her time loop starts in is March for certain. Granted, the calendar doesn't show what day the week starts on (most have Sunday as the first day of the week, but a few use Monday, though these are usually business or payroll calendars) and MAYBE the year isn't 2011 in the anime... But I don't see why not when everything else lines up just fine. Occam's Razor and all. [[User:BlackAeronaut|BlackAeronaut]] ([[User talk:BlackAeronaut|talk]]) 14:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

== Regarding her powers ==

Hello, I'd like to discuss this because I haven't seen it brought up anywhere else. Homura's "Powers & Abilities" section only seems to list her time manipulation, which is all what they look like to an extent. However, didn't she shoot pink magic at Kyubey right in [[Episode 1]] (which was remembered in [[Episode 10]], too)? It looks like something unrelated to manipulating time, unless that is connected with manipulating space somehow. [[User:Paradi0x|Paradi0x]] ([[User talk:Paradi0x|talk]]) 17:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

== Homura's VA in Mexican Spanish ==

Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me to put Homura's VA in the mexican spanish dub of Magia Record, I can't edit Homura's page like other characters. The name of the VA that played Homura in Magia Record's Anime is "Fernanda Ornelas". Thanks

[[User:Karminja|Karminja]] ([[User talk:Karminja|talk]]) 05:20, 23 April 2023 (UTC) Karminja

:I believe your account needs to be 1 week old to edit protected pages, so if no-one else does it, you can wait a few days and do it yourself. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]])
::Listo. Gracias por notificarnos. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 19:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

== Family ==

I think I saw a translation of MMPortable that says that she has two parents. I'm hesitant to add this to her page since this is a fan translation, though. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 15:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Weapons ==
I think it's better to leave in the bit about "Homura has been shown to use ...". Hand guns, pipe bombs, and golf clubs aren't her magical girl weapon. She actively has to either make or steal those items otherwise she wouldn't have them. Her only real weapons are the shield or the black bow & arrow in wraith arc. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 01:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

== Adding Devil Homura infobox images here too ==

I've seen that the [[Madoka]] page has both her "normal" appearances and her [[Ultimate Madoka]] appearances. Should we then add [[Devil Homura]] appearances too here (with the exception of [[:File:Devil Homura WR.jpg|her real "devil" appearance]], of course)? I think either we have both pages with all of them or we treat them as separate and remove those infobox images in the Madoka page too. I'm fine with any of the two. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 08:31, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
:The way I see it, Ultimate Madoka is a being made up of the Law of Cycles and Madoka, so when Homura rips Madoka from Ultimate Madoka, Madoka returns to being normal. Obviously she still has some connection to the law of cycles (end of rebellion) but I do think that the Madoka we see in Walpurgisnacht Rising can't be considered Ultimate Madoka. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:35, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
:: Well, at least that reasoning would explain why the Ultimate Madoka page still has that promoted article image instead of any (or all) of those from Rising. I'm still not sure about that distinction, but I will wait until I watch Rising to reach a conclusion. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 10:14, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

== The Decorative Hair and Glasses, why is it sometimes here? ==

[[File:Homura School Full.png|250px]]
[[File:Episode 10 (4).png|250px]]

I have no idea why she sometimes have decorative hair or sometimes have glasses. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 19:11, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

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==Spoiler==

Why is there a massive Higurashi spoiler in the trivia section? Specifically the "Homurika" one [[User:Jag|Jag]] ([[User talk:Jag|talk]]) 17:20, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
: ops, added spoiler tag. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] ([[User talk:Prima|talk]]) 19:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
:: Is it okay if we mark it as a Higurashi spoiler as well? I don't think there's any way to know what show the spoiler would be referring to if you haven't watched the show, and they'd have to click on it to find out. -
[[User:Jag|Jag]] ([[User talk:Jag|talk]]) 05:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
::: Added - [[User:Prima|Prima]] ([[User talk:Prima|talk]]) 21:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

== Nutcracker ==

i wanted to add an observation about how Akuma Homura cracks her soul gem between her teeth, like a nutracker. Could I do that? [[User:Leafbladie|Leafbladie]] ([[User talk:Leafbladie|talk]]) 15:07, 27 April 2019 (UTC)leafbladie
:Yeah, I think that's more than appropriate. It fits in line with her theme. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 16:21, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that we move all speculations from this page to a speculation page dedicated to Homura (and possibly the other four main characters). This could be a good occasion to clean up all the stuff that was proven wrong.
:I concur. -[[User:Becquerel|Becquerel]] 04:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::I agree too, if by "clean up" you mean "tag properly", like the wishes thing. No content should be removed IMO, just for "historical accurracy" --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 07:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the speculation moving, but I think we should have a dedicated page for speculation on each character. I have loads of speculation talked over heaps with my brother that I really want to post here... until I saw this. I also think that the speculation pages dedicated to each character should be just for speculah that hasn't been proven right or wrong yet. Theories proved right or wrong should just be placed on the official page on the character. FIFI 00:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:I also agree that something should be done about the speculation. Moving everything unconfirmed doesn't sound like a bad idea (and quite easy to do for this page), but there's also pages like [[Kyoko#Speculations & Observations|Kyoko's]] where everything is even more disorganized. For now, I'd direct you to the [[Theories]] page. Feel free to make a new page there if you have a lot of connected speculation. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 10:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

abour her strong power in the new timeline: maybe because she suffered much in all the previous timelines she got a boost-up just like madoka

I removed stuff that didn't belong on this page (there was speculah about Walpurgis Night's familiars, for example, which is already present on WPN's various pages and doesn't need to be here) as well as the needless arguments on theories that have been debunked. If I knew how to make new pages -and- make said new pages look pretty and formatted, I'd move the whole speculah section to a new page, but my mad skillz at wiki pages go as far as "I can edit text".
:Regarding the theories proven right/wrong, and your editing skills, I made [[Template:Theory/Header|a template]] to classify theories by status (see output [[User:Homerun-chan/Theory_tags|here]]). I do not have the time right now, but I think it'd be a good idea to order the theories by category then --it's in the [[wishlist]] actually --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

==Homura: One Man Army==
¥ 1,383,040,300 ($17,037,114 USD) worth of military weapons and equipment!! Damn, maybe Homura should start with Nicolas Cage in "Lord of War II: The Walpurgis Night Incident" --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:I'm still baffled. I mean, it's hard to believe. RPGs aren't ''that'' expensive. The guy who made the vid must have made some fancy cals. Still... Lord Of War was a great film, and I would buy that squel in the blink of an eye ^^ --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

==HOMU==
[http://www.homelessmuseum.org/ HOMU: The Homeless Museum of Art]. Nothing important, I just found this to be a bit funny. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

==Homura's Stoicism Draft==
I feel like I am juggling with too many ideas. That has always been my problem when trying to make something clear and concise. I am going to need some help to wrinkle out the article once I am done. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:Fitting actually that you mention article. You could post your thoughts freely and put it there. Right now, it feels like you want to write about all the characters and not just Homura. It's also gone beyond the facts to the point that if it stayed on the Homura page, I'd have to say it goes under speculah. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::I moved the draft here. I feel like the writing is going to become larger as I feel like to understand the Homura character we have to also understand her interaction to others as perhaps her personal experience with them and a need for comparison. I wonder If this should become a separate article all together?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

==Understanding Homura's Stoicism==
Homura's emotionless and cold exterior has been misinterpreted and misunderstood by fans and observers alike. This has led to the interpretation that Homura is a dangerous Yandere, others believe her to be a psychopath with littler regard for human lives (with the exception of Madoka), but these interpretations are highly incorrect and inaccurate. This is caused by the misleading first impression we build from lacking a fundamental understanding of her background and personality. To understand Homura it is essential to rewatch some of her scenes and discover the subtle differences from first time viewing for comparison. Once we understand Homura's background and mission and her single obsession to save Madoka viewers would observe Homura in a new light.

Beneath Homura's stoic mask one will uncover the true Homura, a trace of her true self that she tries to shield with an emotional wall to cope with the rising danger of accumulating too much despair. Homura isn't the only character to be misinterpreted and misunderstood for expressing controversial opinions and actions to reach her goal, but their comparison would help to differentiate Homura from the rest of the characters. Homura developed an early survival skill to cope with her new realty to save Madoka.

Homura's Past:

To understand the Homura character it is essential to watch [[Episode 10]] and to listen the drama CD ''[[Drama CD 1|"Memories of you"]]''. First, the Drama CD contains information regarding Homura's difficulty to adapt to a new school setting as a transfer student; no one knows her nor they try to understand her and her struggles. In her new environment Homura experiences school bullying (non-physical), demeaning rumors behind her back, and low opinion about her abilities as a person and as a student. Homura is already a fragile girl with low self-esteem caused by her weak heart and her weak physical body, with the addition of emotional stress caused by her unpopularity at school it is enough to emotionally crush her to the point of driving her to suicide and despair, or at least an enticement under a Witch's spell to end her suffering.

Another source of Homura's emotional transformation are the events taking place in the different timelines in [[Episode 10]]. Homura's experience in different timelines brought her insight into how to formulate different ways to rescue Madoka and stop Walpurgis Night. When a new element of surprised was introduced in the timeline, Homura would formulate a new solution to deviate from the same outcome. The first issue was uncovering the truth about the Puella Magi system, Homura tried to convince the girls that Kyubey was deceiving them. Sayaka reacted with distrust and Mami with skepticism, Madoka as well. The reasons are understandable as Homura is a stranger and a new comer and without any evidence to back her claim they arent ready to accept the truth. However, Mami's and Sayaka's real reasons differentiate with Madoka's and it sheds a light to their character.

Murder:

Mami's character is the embodiment of a humble Ojou-sama and a kind Onee-sama. While Mami exudes class, grace, and beauty, she never flaunts her privilege or status. She tries to become a mentor for Madoka and Sayaka but at the same time tries to caution them that the life of a Puella Magi is not without sacrifice and difficulties. Mami's speech in [[Episode 3]] gives us a glimpse to the kind of life Mami has led so far, a very lonely and solitary life with no one to call a friend. Mami's seriousness is betrayed by her emotional outburst of joy and monologue when Madoka pledges to become a Puella Magi and join together with Mami in her duty to hunt down Witches and protect the city. For the first time we learn that Mami is truly happy with being a Puella Magi. We must consider that while Mami took her responsibility as a Puella Magi with seriousness and professionalism, we can see through flashes that she was unhappy with that type of life. Perhaps we it can interpret her duty as a Puella Magi a form of [[wiki:Noblesse_oblige|''Noblesse Oblige'']].

If [[Episode 3]] uncovers Mami's unhappiness then [[Episode 10]] marks her despair. The nature of her despair requires a deep analysis to understand Mami's lapse of judgement and brief moment of insanity. Given the glimpse we observe regarding Mami's solitary lifestyle and her sacrifice to protect the people and the city, it is understandable as to why Mami lost her composure. One could interpret that all her work and sacrifice was for naught, that the lives she saved would be meaningless once she became a Witch, and that her personal sacrifice and unhappiness contributed to the propagation of a horrifying system. Mami's sense of despair is understandable, however, her following actions contribute to her criticism and are the source of many arguments against her character. Mami's early impression is shattered once she gives in into despair and we glimpse into her weakest moment as a human being. But on the other hand it could be interpreted as the next logical step into a world that has gone mad. Mami knows that her friends have no future, that it is only a matter of time they will become Witches, to spare them of their suffering (and her own) and halt the death of future victims at their hands as Witches she decides that death (and suicide) is the logical and noble choice. No matter the interpretation or justification to fans what Mami did is considered an unforgivable act. What Mami committed was an act of betrayal by killing her ''kouhai'', she commits murder by attempting to take their lives without their consent and consultation.

Surprisingly the Anime series presents different acts that involves killing and murder under different circumstances. And each act requires to be judged on their own. If Mami's action in [[Episode 10]] can be interpreted as a betrayal (or desperation), then Madoka's action to stop Mami's murdering rampage can be interpreted as an act of self-defense and justifiable homicide, acting in defense of others (or in this case an attempt to save Homura). Many fans have criticized Madoka as a helpless crybaby, but this (horrifying) single act of bravery demonstrates Madoka's measure as a Puella Magi and as a person. Not only is she willing to take personal risks to save others, but she is also willing to make the tough choices when the situation calls for it, even if it means killing a friend to save another. Madoka is not a helpless character, she is only helpless because she is unsure what to do to make things right. True to Madoka's character she understands the danger she is imposing by becoming a Witch, rather than use the Grief Seed to save her own life she saves Homura with no regrets, then she asks Homura to do the unthinkable. Under the agony of pain and sorrow Homura commits a merciful killing by stoping Madoka's transformation into a Witch. This is not the act of a cold blooded killer (which she has been accused to be many times) but that of a friend under duress.

In no moment during the series Homura has been a senseless cold blooded killer or a murderer (under the narrow definition), it could be said that she has expressed her opinion to take bold action when the moment requires it, that includes taking a life (just like Madoka did). Which lead us to another controversy and criticism.

Sayaka:

==Transformation Runes==
People who have watched episode 11's blu-ray version must have noticed that Homura's transformation got a major overhaul, including a large quantity of spinning, floating runes.

Would anyone be able to take high-quality screenshots of these so that they can be translated? I'm willing to do it, if someone uploads screenshots.

:Here you go. http://imageshack.us/g/812/vlcsnap2011101601h39m36.png/
:From what I've seen, they just appear to be numbers. In the first pic in the uploaded album, from left to right :

:5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6

:Each rune that appears is a number.

::Oh... huh... here I was expecting some sort of hidden message, but I guess it's just obeying the new theme of her transformation? Gauges? Tons of gauges? I would have expected clocks, honestly, or gears (no reference to Walpurgisnacht, though). Though I guess the gauges are sort of clocks...

:::My first thought wasn't that they were gauges, but more like old, analog stopwatches.[[Special:Contributions/216.54.82.164|216.54.82.164]] 14:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

==Akemi Homura’s Seiyuu: Chiwa Saitou’s Live Dubbing Session on AFA11==
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http://www.animeotakucorner.com/2011/11/09/akemi-homuras-seiyuu-chiwa-saitous-live-dubbing-session-on-afa11/

''Chiwa Saitou, the Seiyuu(Voice Actress) from the popular anime series Puella Magi Madoka Magica’s Akemi Homura will have her own Live Dubbing Session. The event will take place on AFA11′s Main Stage on November 12(Saturday) at 2:15pm. It will be called as ‘Puella Magi Madoka Magica – Akemi Homura Special!’''

''You can also [http://www.animefestival.asia/form/view.php?id=20 ask a question for her.] There is a possibility that your question will appear on stage so why not risk it?'' --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
:The date for the session (Nov 12th) has already passed. Here's a small [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZmLzxCr5P8 vid clip] of it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:Now some [http://www.dannychoo.com/post/ja/26325/%E6%96%8E%E8%97%A4%E5%8D%83%E5%92%8C.html pics]. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:50, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Ok, we really should have a seiyuu page... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Out of curiosity, was there a transcript or is there an article covering the event? It would be nice to have some information so we can add later on. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:17, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

== Ties to Walpurgis Night ==

This is sort of in response to the idea that Homura may be Walpurgis Night. Since Walpurgis Night is a conglomeration of witches, it certainly can't be Homura, at least not Homura alone. On the card for Walpurgis Night, it says that Walpurgis Night has a helpless nature, which Homura shares. She becomes a Puella Magi to save Madoka, which she continually fails to do. After her first revert of time she is an especially useless fighter. In episode three, Homura is bound up and unable to prevent Mami's death. However the card description also says that Walpurgis Night "will continue to rotate aimlessly until the whole of this age into a drama." Aimless hardly describes Akemi Homura, who is extremely focused on her goal.

Yet the similarities between them are strong, and I have theory to explain it.

In episode ten Homura states that Mami's fate is inevitable, she is killed in every possible timeline. Following this fate idea, it maybe that for each Magi there is a rival witch (or witches) who she fights in all timelines. Each witch of plot significance has strong similarities to the Magi that fights her.

'''Charlotte''' has a love for sweets, or at least a theme based around sweets. Mami is seen several times eating cake. According to her card, her nature is tenacity, which could be applied to Mami wish to survive an accident.

'''Elly''' has a covetous nature, which we see a little of in Sakaya, who doesn't react well to Hitomi's pursual of Kamijou. Elly also closed herself off from the world, as did Sakaya following her transformation into a Magi. They also share an affinity for water.

'''Elsa Maria''' has trouble fitting in this theory because she has ties to both Sayaka and Kyoko. For the purposes of this theory, lets assume she was destined for Kyoko. Kyoko has the church connection and at one point held feelings of "self-righteousness" as described on Elsa's card. Kyoko's jointed spear has similarities to the snakes which Elsa Maria fights with. Elsa Maria is worshiping a torch held out by an arm. The similarity of this torch to that held by Lady Liberty gives a (admitted tenuous) connection to Kyoko's personal freedom.

'''Walpurgis Night''' is also troublesome in her similarities to both Homura and Madoka. Both experience feelings of helplessness and have been seen fighting the witch in multiple timelines. For the purposes of the theory I will compare her only to Madoka. Walpurgis Night has very far reaching goals "turning the whole world into a drama," as does Madoka who wishes to make a sort of heaven on earth. Walpurgis Night has red jewels on her sleeve (heart on sleeve maybe?), while Madoka's color is pink which could be a near affinity. Also note the similarities between Madoka's witch-form, which together make an hour glass. Walpurgis Night may also continually reappear in the same place to find Madoka. This does not work perfectly, of course, Homura does much the same thing. If we assume that Homura IS Walpurgis Night (partially anyway), this opens up the connection to Madoka, rahter than diminishing it. Walpurgis Night's familiars of many witches has relevance to Madoka's role as a Magi saving other Magi from falling into despair. While Homura's reappearances are tethered to a single short period of time, Madoka appears all over the world in many times and time-lines, as does Walpurgis Night. Both also meet (and destroy) many Magi.

Finally, if Madoka's rival witch is Walpurgis Night, then perhaps Homura has a rival in '''Gertrude'''. Gertrude has many war-related objects in her world, which ties in nicely to Homura's dependence on Modern weapons. Of most significance is the butterfly theme. Homura's transformation from a weak and helpless girl into her bow-weilding final form as a Puella Magi is very comparible to the metamorphasis of the butterfly. Butterflies are also related to the "betterfly effect", which is a theme played on in Madoka. Homura's devotion to and protection of Madoka is similar to Gertrud's care for her roses. The roses share a color affinity with Madoka. Gertrude has an insincere nature according to her card, which she may share with Homura in that Homura is forced to tell lies and behave coldly toward her friends in later timelines. Also signficant is presence of an Anthony (one of Gertrude's minions) at the end of the World. The Anthony certainly strengthen's Homura's ties to Gertrude, however it also complicates things for the theory. If the world is being destroyed, what business does an Anthony have chatting with Homura away from said world (and Gertrude). There's room to speculate if Homura ''is'' Gertrude, but again, since this does not fit into the theory let's just assume minions and familiars are capable of a little independence. Characteristic of the single-minded rivals, when they do meet, they do not make any efforts to fight each other, Homura is concerned with killing Kyubei and Gertrude is concerned with her roses. When confronted they both run away.

I think I might be on to something here. Let me know what you think!
[[User:OnionJack|OnionJack]] 14:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)Onion Jack (Thomas)
:As for the Anthony at the end of the world, a simple explanation is that Anthonies were the first witch-realm creatures Madoka encountered in the main timeline, so Madoka (who likes fluffy things) thinks of them as representatives of the magical world. (On a production level, Inu Curry said that Anthonies were their favorite)

:I'm not convinced of direct connections between the girls and witches (in the sense of them being counterparts or witch forms of the girls), but it wouldn't be so strange if magical beings with things in common have a tendency to find each other kind of like how stand users in JoJo do. The runes in Charlotte's barrier talking about Mami and Homu could indicate witches experiencing things like Madoka's dream from the beginning of ep 1. [[User:KM|KM]] 21:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== Homura's route in PSP game ==

I'm curious where such story can be found since I only learn that their fate can be changed. But I don't know what will happen next. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

== Anyone knows the meaning/purpose of those short cut in scenes of Homura turning her head? ==

I remember 2 of them. Not sure if there are more.

Episode 5 at 12:22

Episode 11 at 15:30

They just don't seem to fit in. As if they are not really happening right then and there.

[[Special:Contributions/84.179.144.20|84.179.144.20]] 20:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

[[File:Shaft head tilt.jpg|thumb]]
Something like that? ->

Ah, the infamous shaft head tilt. [[SHAFT]], the anime studio behind Madoka, is known for these sorts of strange directional touches. After [[Shinbo]] came along, along with sparse setting, post-modern architecture, quick eye cuts, fancy typography slides, and etc have became SHAFT's calling card. You can see these elements in pretty much every show SHAFT has worked on since. Madoka is actually fairly benign on these eccentricities. Check out [[Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei]] or [[Bakemonogatari]] for these coming out in full force.

Now, concerning what it means - when you see a cut of a character quick turn and tilts her head slightly... It can mean a turn in mood; a shift in focus; a change of mind. Honestly though, it doesn't mean much. It's just something Shaft does. It's simply "Shaft being Shaft."
- [[User:Prima|Prima]] 17:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

== Age ==

Homura is same age as Madoka so Homura is 14 not 13 !!!
[[Special:Contributions/198.47.101.2|198.47.101.2]] 00:12, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

== What's going on with the edit wars?! ==

All of this adding and removing is putting this page's progress to a standstill. Can't we all get our ideas out in a way that doesn't intertwine/interrupt someone else's edit? T^T And then people remove the work of others to put their own... then they put it back... If you would like, use this section to try to sort everyone's thoughts on what to put where so that we all have our contributions and ideas that we worked on for the wiki mixed in there somewhere and having them transition in a nice and smooth manner without all of this extra misplaced stuff lying around. I don't want to feel like I have to look at older revisions of this page in order to get all of the information I'm looking for. It should be unnecessary, it's too time consuming, and it validates my point. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 16:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Someone apparently doesn't like the fact that the observations section calls Homura's behavior unhealthy and abusive and points out all the ways it is (and also ones like "Madoka using honorifics with her name visibly upsets her", for whatever reason), so they're constantly removing the information. It's pretty childish if you ask me. The page/section should probably get locked for a while (though it should be locked on a revision that has the abuse analysis on it. It's important and the kind of thing that people should really know about). --[[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 20:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Can't we have both sides of the argument on the page? I mean, it's unfair to delete another's work just because you disagree with it, but we could find a way to make both ideas separate sections. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 23:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

There's not two separate ideas. It's one section (and then a few other bits) that keep being deleted by petty people who don't like the idea of their precious Homura being called abusive and unhealthy. I say we lock the page for a while to stop the edit war; maybe that'll even kill it. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 23:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, so it's just deletion and vandalism!? I thought I saw some links being posted about her actions being justified in someone else's view. I was under the impression that it was just conflicting ideas. Sorry about that. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 23:56, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

There ''have'' been, but I've read the argument and it's not "justification" so much as it is excusing Homura's actions/essentially abuse apologism, so it's not acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 00:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for beating a dead horse, but most of that tumblr post is not a "justification" either for Homura's behaviour at all. That post just feels like trying to paint Homura in a bad light. There are already many analysis that debunked that tumblr post so I'm going to add them soon. --[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 21:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

This isn't a tumblr post. It's a 'wiki'. Besides, shouldn't wikis be at least neutral? But there are many and many conflicts with homura, though. boop Anon 23:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I was talking about the tumblr post under the 'observation' section. And that one observation point where some viewers said Homura is an abusive person. And yes, wiki should be neutral which is why I'll also be adding the analysis about Homura not being an abusive person. --[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 00:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I removed the alleged informations since they were actually false and was added by someone who hates Homura which explains that they were trying make her look like an abuser/psycho. However, if you guys feel what I did was unfair/rude, then feel free to undo my edits. However, I could easily explain and show that Homura doesn't fit the "Psychopath" textbook and how she isn't really abusive towards Madoka, and that she actually cares about the others. I would also add some quotes from writer Jed A. Blue to show what they observed about Homura's behaviour.--[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 18:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

== The First Month ==

Howdy folks. Given that the anime came out in 2011, and Homura gets out of the hospital on the 16th, and that day is shown to be falling on Wednesday, then the month her time loop starts in is March for certain. Granted, the calendar doesn't show what day the week starts on (most have Sunday as the first day of the week, but a few use Monday, though these are usually business or payroll calendars) and MAYBE the year isn't 2011 in the anime... But I don't see why not when everything else lines up just fine. Occam's Razor and all. [[User:BlackAeronaut|BlackAeronaut]] ([[User talk:BlackAeronaut|talk]]) 14:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

== Regarding her powers ==

Hello, I'd like to discuss this because I haven't seen it brought up anywhere else. Homura's "Powers & Abilities" section only seems to list her time manipulation, which is all what they look like to an extent. However, didn't she shoot pink magic at Kyubey right in [[Episode 1]] (which was remembered in [[Episode 10]], too)? It looks like something unrelated to manipulating time, unless that is connected with manipulating space somehow. [[User:Paradi0x|Paradi0x]] ([[User talk:Paradi0x|talk]]) 17:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

== Homura's VA in Mexican Spanish ==

Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me to put Homura's VA in the mexican spanish dub of Magia Record, I can't edit Homura's page like other characters. The name of the VA that played Homura in Magia Record's Anime is "Fernanda Ornelas". Thanks

[[User:Karminja|Karminja]] ([[User talk:Karminja|talk]]) 05:20, 23 April 2023 (UTC) Karminja

:I believe your account needs to be 1 week old to edit protected pages, so if no-one else does it, you can wait a few days and do it yourself. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]])
::Listo. Gracias por notificarnos. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 19:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

== Family ==

I think I saw a translation of MMPortable that says that she has two parents. I'm hesitant to add this to her page since this is a fan translation, though. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 15:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Weapons ==
I think it's better to leave in the bit about "Homura has been shown to use ...". Hand guns, pipe bombs, and golf clubs aren't her magical girl weapon. She actively has to either make or steal those items otherwise she wouldn't have them. Her only real weapons are the shield or the black bow & arrow in wraith arc. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 01:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

== Adding Devil Homura infobox images here too ==

I've seen that the [[Madoka]] page has both her "normal" appearances and her [[Ultimate Madoka]] appearances. Should we then add [[Devil Homura]] appearances too here (with the exception of [[:File:Devil Homura WR.jpg|her real "devil" appearance]], of course)? I think either we have both pages with all of them or we treat them as separate and remove those infobox images in the Madoka page too. I'm fine with any of the two. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 08:31, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
:The way I see it, Ultimate Madoka is a being made up of the Law of Cycles and Madoka, so when Homura rips Madoka from Ultimate Madoka, Madoka returns to being normal. Obviously she still has some connection to the law of cycles (end of rebellion) but I do think that the Madoka we see in Walpurgisnacht Rising can't be considered Ultimate Madoka. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:35, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
:: Well, at least that reasoning would explain why the Ultimate Madoka page still has that promoted article image instead of any (or all) of those from Rising. I'm still not sure about that distinction, but I will wait until I watch Rising to reach a conclusion. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 10:14, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

== The Decorative Hair and Glasses, why is it sometimes here? ==

[[File:Homura School Full.png|100px]]
[[File:Episode 10 (4).png|100px]]

I have no idea why she sometimes have decorative hair or sometimes have glasses. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 19:11, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

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==Spoiler==

Why is there a massive Higurashi spoiler in the trivia section? Specifically the "Homurika" one [[User:Jag|Jag]] ([[User talk:Jag|talk]]) 17:20, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
: ops, added spoiler tag. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] ([[User talk:Prima|talk]]) 19:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
:: Is it okay if we mark it as a Higurashi spoiler as well? I don't think there's any way to know what show the spoiler would be referring to if you haven't watched the show, and they'd have to click on it to find out. -
[[User:Jag|Jag]] ([[User talk:Jag|talk]]) 05:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
::: Added - [[User:Prima|Prima]] ([[User talk:Prima|talk]]) 21:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

== Nutcracker ==

i wanted to add an observation about how Akuma Homura cracks her soul gem between her teeth, like a nutracker. Could I do that? [[User:Leafbladie|Leafbladie]] ([[User talk:Leafbladie|talk]]) 15:07, 27 April 2019 (UTC)leafbladie
:Yeah, I think that's more than appropriate. It fits in line with her theme. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 16:21, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that we move all speculations from this page to a speculation page dedicated to Homura (and possibly the other four main characters). This could be a good occasion to clean up all the stuff that was proven wrong.
:I concur. -[[User:Becquerel|Becquerel]] 04:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::I agree too, if by "clean up" you mean "tag properly", like the wishes thing. No content should be removed IMO, just for "historical accurracy" --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 07:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the speculation moving, but I think we should have a dedicated page for speculation on each character. I have loads of speculation talked over heaps with my brother that I really want to post here... until I saw this. I also think that the speculation pages dedicated to each character should be just for speculah that hasn't been proven right or wrong yet. Theories proved right or wrong should just be placed on the official page on the character. FIFI 00:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:I also agree that something should be done about the speculation. Moving everything unconfirmed doesn't sound like a bad idea (and quite easy to do for this page), but there's also pages like [[Kyoko#Speculations & Observations|Kyoko's]] where everything is even more disorganized. For now, I'd direct you to the [[Theories]] page. Feel free to make a new page there if you have a lot of connected speculation. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 10:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

abour her strong power in the new timeline: maybe because she suffered much in all the previous timelines she got a boost-up just like madoka

I removed stuff that didn't belong on this page (there was speculah about Walpurgis Night's familiars, for example, which is already present on WPN's various pages and doesn't need to be here) as well as the needless arguments on theories that have been debunked. If I knew how to make new pages -and- make said new pages look pretty and formatted, I'd move the whole speculah section to a new page, but my mad skillz at wiki pages go as far as "I can edit text".
:Regarding the theories proven right/wrong, and your editing skills, I made [[Template:Theory/Header|a template]] to classify theories by status (see output [[User:Homerun-chan/Theory_tags|here]]). I do not have the time right now, but I think it'd be a good idea to order the theories by category then --it's in the [[wishlist]] actually --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

==Homura: One Man Army==
¥ 1,383,040,300 ($17,037,114 USD) worth of military weapons and equipment!! Damn, maybe Homura should start with Nicolas Cage in "Lord of War II: The Walpurgis Night Incident" --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:I'm still baffled. I mean, it's hard to believe. RPGs aren't ''that'' expensive. The guy who made the vid must have made some fancy cals. Still... Lord Of War was a great film, and I would buy that squel in the blink of an eye ^^ --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

==HOMU==
[http://www.homelessmuseum.org/ HOMU: The Homeless Museum of Art]. Nothing important, I just found this to be a bit funny. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

==Homura's Stoicism Draft==
I feel like I am juggling with too many ideas. That has always been my problem when trying to make something clear and concise. I am going to need some help to wrinkle out the article once I am done. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:Fitting actually that you mention article. You could post your thoughts freely and put it there. Right now, it feels like you want to write about all the characters and not just Homura. It's also gone beyond the facts to the point that if it stayed on the Homura page, I'd have to say it goes under speculah. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::I moved the draft here. I feel like the writing is going to become larger as I feel like to understand the Homura character we have to also understand her interaction to others as perhaps her personal experience with them and a need for comparison. I wonder If this should become a separate article all together?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

==Understanding Homura's Stoicism==
Homura's emotionless and cold exterior has been misinterpreted and misunderstood by fans and observers alike. This has led to the interpretation that Homura is a dangerous Yandere, others believe her to be a psychopath with littler regard for human lives (with the exception of Madoka), but these interpretations are highly incorrect and inaccurate. This is caused by the misleading first impression we build from lacking a fundamental understanding of her background and personality. To understand Homura it is essential to rewatch some of her scenes and discover the subtle differences from first time viewing for comparison. Once we understand Homura's background and mission and her single obsession to save Madoka viewers would observe Homura in a new light.

Beneath Homura's stoic mask one will uncover the true Homura, a trace of her true self that she tries to shield with an emotional wall to cope with the rising danger of accumulating too much despair. Homura isn't the only character to be misinterpreted and misunderstood for expressing controversial opinions and actions to reach her goal, but their comparison would help to differentiate Homura from the rest of the characters. Homura developed an early survival skill to cope with her new realty to save Madoka.

Homura's Past:

To understand the Homura character it is essential to watch [[Episode 10]] and to listen the drama CD ''[[Drama CD 1|"Memories of you"]]''. First, the Drama CD contains information regarding Homura's difficulty to adapt to a new school setting as a transfer student; no one knows her nor they try to understand her and her struggles. In her new environment Homura experiences school bullying (non-physical), demeaning rumors behind her back, and low opinion about her abilities as a person and as a student. Homura is already a fragile girl with low self-esteem caused by her weak heart and her weak physical body, with the addition of emotional stress caused by her unpopularity at school it is enough to emotionally crush her to the point of driving her to suicide and despair, or at least an enticement under a Witch's spell to end her suffering.

Another source of Homura's emotional transformation are the events taking place in the different timelines in [[Episode 10]]. Homura's experience in different timelines brought her insight into how to formulate different ways to rescue Madoka and stop Walpurgis Night. When a new element of surprised was introduced in the timeline, Homura would formulate a new solution to deviate from the same outcome. The first issue was uncovering the truth about the Puella Magi system, Homura tried to convince the girls that Kyubey was deceiving them. Sayaka reacted with distrust and Mami with skepticism, Madoka as well. The reasons are understandable as Homura is a stranger and a new comer and without any evidence to back her claim they arent ready to accept the truth. However, Mami's and Sayaka's real reasons differentiate with Madoka's and it sheds a light to their character.

Murder:

Mami's character is the embodiment of a humble Ojou-sama and a kind Onee-sama. While Mami exudes class, grace, and beauty, she never flaunts her privilege or status. She tries to become a mentor for Madoka and Sayaka but at the same time tries to caution them that the life of a Puella Magi is not without sacrifice and difficulties. Mami's speech in [[Episode 3]] gives us a glimpse to the kind of life Mami has led so far, a very lonely and solitary life with no one to call a friend. Mami's seriousness is betrayed by her emotional outburst of joy and monologue when Madoka pledges to become a Puella Magi and join together with Mami in her duty to hunt down Witches and protect the city. For the first time we learn that Mami is truly happy with being a Puella Magi. We must consider that while Mami took her responsibility as a Puella Magi with seriousness and professionalism, we can see through flashes that she was unhappy with that type of life. Perhaps we it can interpret her duty as a Puella Magi a form of [[wiki:Noblesse_oblige|''Noblesse Oblige'']].

If [[Episode 3]] uncovers Mami's unhappiness then [[Episode 10]] marks her despair. The nature of her despair requires a deep analysis to understand Mami's lapse of judgement and brief moment of insanity. Given the glimpse we observe regarding Mami's solitary lifestyle and her sacrifice to protect the people and the city, it is understandable as to why Mami lost her composure. One could interpret that all her work and sacrifice was for naught, that the lives she saved would be meaningless once she became a Witch, and that her personal sacrifice and unhappiness contributed to the propagation of a horrifying system. Mami's sense of despair is understandable, however, her following actions contribute to her criticism and are the source of many arguments against her character. Mami's early impression is shattered once she gives in into despair and we glimpse into her weakest moment as a human being. But on the other hand it could be interpreted as the next logical step into a world that has gone mad. Mami knows that her friends have no future, that it is only a matter of time they will become Witches, to spare them of their suffering (and her own) and halt the death of future victims at their hands as Witches she decides that death (and suicide) is the logical and noble choice. No matter the interpretation or justification to fans what Mami did is considered an unforgivable act. What Mami committed was an act of betrayal by killing her ''kouhai'', she commits murder by attempting to take their lives without their consent and consultation.

Surprisingly the Anime series presents different acts that involves killing and murder under different circumstances. And each act requires to be judged on their own. If Mami's action in [[Episode 10]] can be interpreted as a betrayal (or desperation), then Madoka's action to stop Mami's murdering rampage can be interpreted as an act of self-defense and justifiable homicide, acting in defense of others (or in this case an attempt to save Homura). Many fans have criticized Madoka as a helpless crybaby, but this (horrifying) single act of bravery demonstrates Madoka's measure as a Puella Magi and as a person. Not only is she willing to take personal risks to save others, but she is also willing to make the tough choices when the situation calls for it, even if it means killing a friend to save another. Madoka is not a helpless character, she is only helpless because she is unsure what to do to make things right. True to Madoka's character she understands the danger she is imposing by becoming a Witch, rather than use the Grief Seed to save her own life she saves Homura with no regrets, then she asks Homura to do the unthinkable. Under the agony of pain and sorrow Homura commits a merciful killing by stoping Madoka's transformation into a Witch. This is not the act of a cold blooded killer (which she has been accused to be many times) but that of a friend under duress.

In no moment during the series Homura has been a senseless cold blooded killer or a murderer (under the narrow definition), it could be said that she has expressed her opinion to take bold action when the moment requires it, that includes taking a life (just like Madoka did). Which lead us to another controversy and criticism.

Sayaka:

==Transformation Runes==
People who have watched episode 11's blu-ray version must have noticed that Homura's transformation got a major overhaul, including a large quantity of spinning, floating runes.

Would anyone be able to take high-quality screenshots of these so that they can be translated? I'm willing to do it, if someone uploads screenshots.

:Here you go. http://imageshack.us/g/812/vlcsnap2011101601h39m36.png/
:From what I've seen, they just appear to be numbers. In the first pic in the uploaded album, from left to right :

:5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6

:Each rune that appears is a number.

::Oh... huh... here I was expecting some sort of hidden message, but I guess it's just obeying the new theme of her transformation? Gauges? Tons of gauges? I would have expected clocks, honestly, or gears (no reference to Walpurgisnacht, though). Though I guess the gauges are sort of clocks...

:::My first thought wasn't that they were gauges, but more like old, analog stopwatches.[[Special:Contributions/216.54.82.164|216.54.82.164]] 14:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

==Akemi Homura’s Seiyuu: Chiwa Saitou’s Live Dubbing Session on AFA11==
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http://www.animeotakucorner.com/2011/11/09/akemi-homuras-seiyuu-chiwa-saitous-live-dubbing-session-on-afa11/

''Chiwa Saitou, the Seiyuu(Voice Actress) from the popular anime series Puella Magi Madoka Magica’s Akemi Homura will have her own Live Dubbing Session. The event will take place on AFA11′s Main Stage on November 12(Saturday) at 2:15pm. It will be called as ‘Puella Magi Madoka Magica – Akemi Homura Special!’''

''You can also [http://www.animefestival.asia/form/view.php?id=20 ask a question for her.] There is a possibility that your question will appear on stage so why not risk it?'' --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
:The date for the session (Nov 12th) has already passed. Here's a small [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZmLzxCr5P8 vid clip] of it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:Now some [http://www.dannychoo.com/post/ja/26325/%E6%96%8E%E8%97%A4%E5%8D%83%E5%92%8C.html pics]. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:50, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Ok, we really should have a seiyuu page... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Out of curiosity, was there a transcript or is there an article covering the event? It would be nice to have some information so we can add later on. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:17, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

== Ties to Walpurgis Night ==

This is sort of in response to the idea that Homura may be Walpurgis Night. Since Walpurgis Night is a conglomeration of witches, it certainly can't be Homura, at least not Homura alone. On the card for Walpurgis Night, it says that Walpurgis Night has a helpless nature, which Homura shares. She becomes a Puella Magi to save Madoka, which she continually fails to do. After her first revert of time she is an especially useless fighter. In episode three, Homura is bound up and unable to prevent Mami's death. However the card description also says that Walpurgis Night "will continue to rotate aimlessly until the whole of this age into a drama." Aimless hardly describes Akemi Homura, who is extremely focused on her goal.

Yet the similarities between them are strong, and I have theory to explain it.

In episode ten Homura states that Mami's fate is inevitable, she is killed in every possible timeline. Following this fate idea, it maybe that for each Magi there is a rival witch (or witches) who she fights in all timelines. Each witch of plot significance has strong similarities to the Magi that fights her.

'''Charlotte''' has a love for sweets, or at least a theme based around sweets. Mami is seen several times eating cake. According to her card, her nature is tenacity, which could be applied to Mami wish to survive an accident.

'''Elly''' has a covetous nature, which we see a little of in Sakaya, who doesn't react well to Hitomi's pursual of Kamijou. Elly also closed herself off from the world, as did Sakaya following her transformation into a Magi. They also share an affinity for water.

'''Elsa Maria''' has trouble fitting in this theory because she has ties to both Sayaka and Kyoko. For the purposes of this theory, lets assume she was destined for Kyoko. Kyoko has the church connection and at one point held feelings of "self-righteousness" as described on Elsa's card. Kyoko's jointed spear has similarities to the snakes which Elsa Maria fights with. Elsa Maria is worshiping a torch held out by an arm. The similarity of this torch to that held by Lady Liberty gives a (admitted tenuous) connection to Kyoko's personal freedom.

'''Walpurgis Night''' is also troublesome in her similarities to both Homura and Madoka. Both experience feelings of helplessness and have been seen fighting the witch in multiple timelines. For the purposes of the theory I will compare her only to Madoka. Walpurgis Night has very far reaching goals "turning the whole world into a drama," as does Madoka who wishes to make a sort of heaven on earth. Walpurgis Night has red jewels on her sleeve (heart on sleeve maybe?), while Madoka's color is pink which could be a near affinity. Also note the similarities between Madoka's witch-form, which together make an hour glass. Walpurgis Night may also continually reappear in the same place to find Madoka. This does not work perfectly, of course, Homura does much the same thing. If we assume that Homura IS Walpurgis Night (partially anyway), this opens up the connection to Madoka, rahter than diminishing it. Walpurgis Night's familiars of many witches has relevance to Madoka's role as a Magi saving other Magi from falling into despair. While Homura's reappearances are tethered to a single short period of time, Madoka appears all over the world in many times and time-lines, as does Walpurgis Night. Both also meet (and destroy) many Magi.

Finally, if Madoka's rival witch is Walpurgis Night, then perhaps Homura has a rival in '''Gertrude'''. Gertrude has many war-related objects in her world, which ties in nicely to Homura's dependence on Modern weapons. Of most significance is the butterfly theme. Homura's transformation from a weak and helpless girl into her bow-weilding final form as a Puella Magi is very comparible to the metamorphasis of the butterfly. Butterflies are also related to the "betterfly effect", which is a theme played on in Madoka. Homura's devotion to and protection of Madoka is similar to Gertrud's care for her roses. The roses share a color affinity with Madoka. Gertrude has an insincere nature according to her card, which she may share with Homura in that Homura is forced to tell lies and behave coldly toward her friends in later timelines. Also signficant is presence of an Anthony (one of Gertrude's minions) at the end of the World. The Anthony certainly strengthen's Homura's ties to Gertrude, however it also complicates things for the theory. If the world is being destroyed, what business does an Anthony have chatting with Homura away from said world (and Gertrude). There's room to speculate if Homura ''is'' Gertrude, but again, since this does not fit into the theory let's just assume minions and familiars are capable of a little independence. Characteristic of the single-minded rivals, when they do meet, they do not make any efforts to fight each other, Homura is concerned with killing Kyubei and Gertrude is concerned with her roses. When confronted they both run away.

I think I might be on to something here. Let me know what you think!
[[User:OnionJack|OnionJack]] 14:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)Onion Jack (Thomas)
:As for the Anthony at the end of the world, a simple explanation is that Anthonies were the first witch-realm creatures Madoka encountered in the main timeline, so Madoka (who likes fluffy things) thinks of them as representatives of the magical world. (On a production level, Inu Curry said that Anthonies were their favorite)

:I'm not convinced of direct connections between the girls and witches (in the sense of them being counterparts or witch forms of the girls), but it wouldn't be so strange if magical beings with things in common have a tendency to find each other kind of like how stand users in JoJo do. The runes in Charlotte's barrier talking about Mami and Homu could indicate witches experiencing things like Madoka's dream from the beginning of ep 1. [[User:KM|KM]] 21:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== Homura's route in PSP game ==

I'm curious where such story can be found since I only learn that their fate can be changed. But I don't know what will happen next. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

== Anyone knows the meaning/purpose of those short cut in scenes of Homura turning her head? ==

I remember 2 of them. Not sure if there are more.

Episode 5 at 12:22

Episode 11 at 15:30

They just don't seem to fit in. As if they are not really happening right then and there.

[[Special:Contributions/84.179.144.20|84.179.144.20]] 20:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

[[File:Shaft head tilt.jpg|thumb]]
Something like that? ->

Ah, the infamous shaft head tilt. [[SHAFT]], the anime studio behind Madoka, is known for these sorts of strange directional touches. After [[Shinbo]] came along, along with sparse setting, post-modern architecture, quick eye cuts, fancy typography slides, and etc have became SHAFT's calling card. You can see these elements in pretty much every show SHAFT has worked on since. Madoka is actually fairly benign on these eccentricities. Check out [[Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei]] or [[Bakemonogatari]] for these coming out in full force.

Now, concerning what it means - when you see a cut of a character quick turn and tilts her head slightly... It can mean a turn in mood; a shift in focus; a change of mind. Honestly though, it doesn't mean much. It's just something Shaft does. It's simply "Shaft being Shaft."
- [[User:Prima|Prima]] 17:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

== Age ==

Homura is same age as Madoka so Homura is 14 not 13 !!!
[[Special:Contributions/198.47.101.2|198.47.101.2]] 00:12, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

== What's going on with the edit wars?! ==

All of this adding and removing is putting this page's progress to a standstill. Can't we all get our ideas out in a way that doesn't intertwine/interrupt someone else's edit? T^T And then people remove the work of others to put their own... then they put it back... If you would like, use this section to try to sort everyone's thoughts on what to put where so that we all have our contributions and ideas that we worked on for the wiki mixed in there somewhere and having them transition in a nice and smooth manner without all of this extra misplaced stuff lying around. I don't want to feel like I have to look at older revisions of this page in order to get all of the information I'm looking for. It should be unnecessary, it's too time consuming, and it validates my point. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 16:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Someone apparently doesn't like the fact that the observations section calls Homura's behavior unhealthy and abusive and points out all the ways it is (and also ones like "Madoka using honorifics with her name visibly upsets her", for whatever reason), so they're constantly removing the information. It's pretty childish if you ask me. The page/section should probably get locked for a while (though it should be locked on a revision that has the abuse analysis on it. It's important and the kind of thing that people should really know about). --[[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 20:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Can't we have both sides of the argument on the page? I mean, it's unfair to delete another's work just because you disagree with it, but we could find a way to make both ideas separate sections. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 23:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

There's not two separate ideas. It's one section (and then a few other bits) that keep being deleted by petty people who don't like the idea of their precious Homura being called abusive and unhealthy. I say we lock the page for a while to stop the edit war; maybe that'll even kill it. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 23:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, so it's just deletion and vandalism!? I thought I saw some links being posted about her actions being justified in someone else's view. I was under the impression that it was just conflicting ideas. Sorry about that. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 23:56, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

There ''have'' been, but I've read the argument and it's not "justification" so much as it is excusing Homura's actions/essentially abuse apologism, so it's not acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 00:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for beating a dead horse, but most of that tumblr post is not a "justification" either for Homura's behaviour at all. That post just feels like trying to paint Homura in a bad light. There are already many analysis that debunked that tumblr post so I'm going to add them soon. --[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 21:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

This isn't a tumblr post. It's a 'wiki'. Besides, shouldn't wikis be at least neutral? But there are many and many conflicts with homura, though. boop Anon 23:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I was talking about the tumblr post under the 'observation' section. And that one observation point where some viewers said Homura is an abusive person. And yes, wiki should be neutral which is why I'll also be adding the analysis about Homura not being an abusive person. --[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 00:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I removed the alleged informations since they were actually false and was added by someone who hates Homura which explains that they were trying make her look like an abuser/psycho. However, if you guys feel what I did was unfair/rude, then feel free to undo my edits. However, I could easily explain and show that Homura doesn't fit the "Psychopath" textbook and how she isn't really abusive towards Madoka, and that she actually cares about the others. I would also add some quotes from writer Jed A. Blue to show what they observed about Homura's behaviour.--[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 18:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

== The First Month ==

Howdy folks. Given that the anime came out in 2011, and Homura gets out of the hospital on the 16th, and that day is shown to be falling on Wednesday, then the month her time loop starts in is March for certain. Granted, the calendar doesn't show what day the week starts on (most have Sunday as the first day of the week, but a few use Monday, though these are usually business or payroll calendars) and MAYBE the year isn't 2011 in the anime... But I don't see why not when everything else lines up just fine. Occam's Razor and all. [[User:BlackAeronaut|BlackAeronaut]] ([[User talk:BlackAeronaut|talk]]) 14:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

== Regarding her powers ==

Hello, I'd like to discuss this because I haven't seen it brought up anywhere else. Homura's "Powers & Abilities" section only seems to list her time manipulation, which is all what they look like to an extent. However, didn't she shoot pink magic at Kyubey right in [[Episode 1]] (which was remembered in [[Episode 10]], too)? It looks like something unrelated to manipulating time, unless that is connected with manipulating space somehow. [[User:Paradi0x|Paradi0x]] ([[User talk:Paradi0x|talk]]) 17:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

== Homura's VA in Mexican Spanish ==

Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me to put Homura's VA in the mexican spanish dub of Magia Record, I can't edit Homura's page like other characters. The name of the VA that played Homura in Magia Record's Anime is "Fernanda Ornelas". Thanks

[[User:Karminja|Karminja]] ([[User talk:Karminja|talk]]) 05:20, 23 April 2023 (UTC) Karminja

:I believe your account needs to be 1 week old to edit protected pages, so if no-one else does it, you can wait a few days and do it yourself. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]])
::Listo. Gracias por notificarnos. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 19:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

== Family ==

I think I saw a translation of MMPortable that says that she has two parents. I'm hesitant to add this to her page since this is a fan translation, though. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 15:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Weapons ==
I think it's better to leave in the bit about "Homura has been shown to use ...". Hand guns, pipe bombs, and golf clubs aren't her magical girl weapon. She actively has to either make or steal those items otherwise she wouldn't have them. Her only real weapons are the shield or the black bow & arrow in wraith arc. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 01:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

== Adding Devil Homura infobox images here too ==

I've seen that the [[Madoka]] page has both her "normal" appearances and her [[Ultimate Madoka]] appearances. Should we then add [[Devil Homura]] appearances too here (with the exception of [[:File:Devil Homura WR.jpg|her real "devil" appearance]], of course)? I think either we have both pages with all of them or we treat them as separate and remove those infobox images in the Madoka page too. I'm fine with any of the two. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 08:31, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
:The way I see it, Ultimate Madoka is a being made up of the Law of Cycles and Madoka, so when Homura rips Madoka from Ultimate Madoka, Madoka returns to being normal. Obviously she still has some connection to the law of cycles (end of rebellion) but I do think that the Madoka we see in Walpurgisnacht Rising can't be considered Ultimate Madoka. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:35, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
:: Well, at least that reasoning would explain why the Ultimate Madoka page still has that promoted article image instead of any (or all) of those from Rising. I'm still not sure about that distinction, but I will wait until I watch Rising to reach a conclusion. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 10:14, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

== The Decorative Hair and Glasses, why is it sometimes here? ==

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I have no idea why she sometimes have decorative hair or sometimes have glasses. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 19:11, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

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==Spoiler==

Why is there a massive Higurashi spoiler in the trivia section? Specifically the "Homurika" one [[User:Jag|Jag]] ([[User talk:Jag|talk]]) 17:20, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
: ops, added spoiler tag. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] ([[User talk:Prima|talk]]) 19:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
:: Is it okay if we mark it as a Higurashi spoiler as well? I don't think there's any way to know what show the spoiler would be referring to if you haven't watched the show, and they'd have to click on it to find out. -
[[User:Jag|Jag]] ([[User talk:Jag|talk]]) 05:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
::: Added - [[User:Prima|Prima]] ([[User talk:Prima|talk]]) 21:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

== Nutcracker ==

i wanted to add an observation about how Akuma Homura cracks her soul gem between her teeth, like a nutracker. Could I do that? [[User:Leafbladie|Leafbladie]] ([[User talk:Leafbladie|talk]]) 15:07, 27 April 2019 (UTC)leafbladie
:Yeah, I think that's more than appropriate. It fits in line with her theme. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 16:21, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that we move all speculations from this page to a speculation page dedicated to Homura (and possibly the other four main characters). This could be a good occasion to clean up all the stuff that was proven wrong.
:I concur. -[[User:Becquerel|Becquerel]] 04:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::I agree too, if by "clean up" you mean "tag properly", like the wishes thing. No content should be removed IMO, just for "historical accurracy" --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 07:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the speculation moving, but I think we should have a dedicated page for speculation on each character. I have loads of speculation talked over heaps with my brother that I really want to post here... until I saw this. I also think that the speculation pages dedicated to each character should be just for speculah that hasn't been proven right or wrong yet. Theories proved right or wrong should just be placed on the official page on the character. FIFI 00:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:I also agree that something should be done about the speculation. Moving everything unconfirmed doesn't sound like a bad idea (and quite easy to do for this page), but there's also pages like [[Kyoko#Speculations & Observations|Kyoko's]] where everything is even more disorganized. For now, I'd direct you to the [[Theories]] page. Feel free to make a new page there if you have a lot of connected speculation. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 10:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

abour her strong power in the new timeline: maybe because she suffered much in all the previous timelines she got a boost-up just like madoka

I removed stuff that didn't belong on this page (there was speculah about Walpurgis Night's familiars, for example, which is already present on WPN's various pages and doesn't need to be here) as well as the needless arguments on theories that have been debunked. If I knew how to make new pages -and- make said new pages look pretty and formatted, I'd move the whole speculah section to a new page, but my mad skillz at wiki pages go as far as "I can edit text".
:Regarding the theories proven right/wrong, and your editing skills, I made [[Template:Theory/Header|a template]] to classify theories by status (see output [[User:Homerun-chan/Theory_tags|here]]). I do not have the time right now, but I think it'd be a good idea to order the theories by category then --it's in the [[wishlist]] actually --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

==Homura: One Man Army==
¥ 1,383,040,300 ($17,037,114 USD) worth of military weapons and equipment!! Damn, maybe Homura should start with Nicolas Cage in "Lord of War II: The Walpurgis Night Incident" --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:I'm still baffled. I mean, it's hard to believe. RPGs aren't ''that'' expensive. The guy who made the vid must have made some fancy cals. Still... Lord Of War was a great film, and I would buy that squel in the blink of an eye ^^ --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

==HOMU==
[http://www.homelessmuseum.org/ HOMU: The Homeless Museum of Art]. Nothing important, I just found this to be a bit funny. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

==Homura's Stoicism Draft==
I feel like I am juggling with too many ideas. That has always been my problem when trying to make something clear and concise. I am going to need some help to wrinkle out the article once I am done. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:Fitting actually that you mention article. You could post your thoughts freely and put it there. Right now, it feels like you want to write about all the characters and not just Homura. It's also gone beyond the facts to the point that if it stayed on the Homura page, I'd have to say it goes under speculah. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::I moved the draft here. I feel like the writing is going to become larger as I feel like to understand the Homura character we have to also understand her interaction to others as perhaps her personal experience with them and a need for comparison. I wonder If this should become a separate article all together?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

==Understanding Homura's Stoicism==
Homura's emotionless and cold exterior has been misinterpreted and misunderstood by fans and observers alike. This has led to the interpretation that Homura is a dangerous Yandere, others believe her to be a psychopath with littler regard for human lives (with the exception of Madoka), but these interpretations are highly incorrect and inaccurate. This is caused by the misleading first impression we build from lacking a fundamental understanding of her background and personality. To understand Homura it is essential to rewatch some of her scenes and discover the subtle differences from first time viewing for comparison. Once we understand Homura's background and mission and her single obsession to save Madoka viewers would observe Homura in a new light.

Beneath Homura's stoic mask one will uncover the true Homura, a trace of her true self that she tries to shield with an emotional wall to cope with the rising danger of accumulating too much despair. Homura isn't the only character to be misinterpreted and misunderstood for expressing controversial opinions and actions to reach her goal, but their comparison would help to differentiate Homura from the rest of the characters. Homura developed an early survival skill to cope with her new realty to save Madoka.

Homura's Past:

To understand the Homura character it is essential to watch [[Episode 10]] and to listen the drama CD ''[[Drama CD 1|"Memories of you"]]''. First, the Drama CD contains information regarding Homura's difficulty to adapt to a new school setting as a transfer student; no one knows her nor they try to understand her and her struggles. In her new environment Homura experiences school bullying (non-physical), demeaning rumors behind her back, and low opinion about her abilities as a person and as a student. Homura is already a fragile girl with low self-esteem caused by her weak heart and her weak physical body, with the addition of emotional stress caused by her unpopularity at school it is enough to emotionally crush her to the point of driving her to suicide and despair, or at least an enticement under a Witch's spell to end her suffering.

Another source of Homura's emotional transformation are the events taking place in the different timelines in [[Episode 10]]. Homura's experience in different timelines brought her insight into how to formulate different ways to rescue Madoka and stop Walpurgis Night. When a new element of surprised was introduced in the timeline, Homura would formulate a new solution to deviate from the same outcome. The first issue was uncovering the truth about the Puella Magi system, Homura tried to convince the girls that Kyubey was deceiving them. Sayaka reacted with distrust and Mami with skepticism, Madoka as well. The reasons are understandable as Homura is a stranger and a new comer and without any evidence to back her claim they arent ready to accept the truth. However, Mami's and Sayaka's real reasons differentiate with Madoka's and it sheds a light to their character.

Murder:

Mami's character is the embodiment of a humble Ojou-sama and a kind Onee-sama. While Mami exudes class, grace, and beauty, she never flaunts her privilege or status. She tries to become a mentor for Madoka and Sayaka but at the same time tries to caution them that the life of a Puella Magi is not without sacrifice and difficulties. Mami's speech in [[Episode 3]] gives us a glimpse to the kind of life Mami has led so far, a very lonely and solitary life with no one to call a friend. Mami's seriousness is betrayed by her emotional outburst of joy and monologue when Madoka pledges to become a Puella Magi and join together with Mami in her duty to hunt down Witches and protect the city. For the first time we learn that Mami is truly happy with being a Puella Magi. We must consider that while Mami took her responsibility as a Puella Magi with seriousness and professionalism, we can see through flashes that she was unhappy with that type of life. Perhaps we it can interpret her duty as a Puella Magi a form of [[wiki:Noblesse_oblige|''Noblesse Oblige'']].

If [[Episode 3]] uncovers Mami's unhappiness then [[Episode 10]] marks her despair. The nature of her despair requires a deep analysis to understand Mami's lapse of judgement and brief moment of insanity. Given the glimpse we observe regarding Mami's solitary lifestyle and her sacrifice to protect the people and the city, it is understandable as to why Mami lost her composure. One could interpret that all her work and sacrifice was for naught, that the lives she saved would be meaningless once she became a Witch, and that her personal sacrifice and unhappiness contributed to the propagation of a horrifying system. Mami's sense of despair is understandable, however, her following actions contribute to her criticism and are the source of many arguments against her character. Mami's early impression is shattered once she gives in into despair and we glimpse into her weakest moment as a human being. But on the other hand it could be interpreted as the next logical step into a world that has gone mad. Mami knows that her friends have no future, that it is only a matter of time they will become Witches, to spare them of their suffering (and her own) and halt the death of future victims at their hands as Witches she decides that death (and suicide) is the logical and noble choice. No matter the interpretation or justification to fans what Mami did is considered an unforgivable act. What Mami committed was an act of betrayal by killing her ''kouhai'', she commits murder by attempting to take their lives without their consent and consultation.

Surprisingly the Anime series presents different acts that involves killing and murder under different circumstances. And each act requires to be judged on their own. If Mami's action in [[Episode 10]] can be interpreted as a betrayal (or desperation), then Madoka's action to stop Mami's murdering rampage can be interpreted as an act of self-defense and justifiable homicide, acting in defense of others (or in this case an attempt to save Homura). Many fans have criticized Madoka as a helpless crybaby, but this (horrifying) single act of bravery demonstrates Madoka's measure as a Puella Magi and as a person. Not only is she willing to take personal risks to save others, but she is also willing to make the tough choices when the situation calls for it, even if it means killing a friend to save another. Madoka is not a helpless character, she is only helpless because she is unsure what to do to make things right. True to Madoka's character she understands the danger she is imposing by becoming a Witch, rather than use the Grief Seed to save her own life she saves Homura with no regrets, then she asks Homura to do the unthinkable. Under the agony of pain and sorrow Homura commits a merciful killing by stoping Madoka's transformation into a Witch. This is not the act of a cold blooded killer (which she has been accused to be many times) but that of a friend under duress.

In no moment during the series Homura has been a senseless cold blooded killer or a murderer (under the narrow definition), it could be said that she has expressed her opinion to take bold action when the moment requires it, that includes taking a life (just like Madoka did). Which lead us to another controversy and criticism.

Sayaka:

==Transformation Runes==
People who have watched episode 11's blu-ray version must have noticed that Homura's transformation got a major overhaul, including a large quantity of spinning, floating runes.

Would anyone be able to take high-quality screenshots of these so that they can be translated? I'm willing to do it, if someone uploads screenshots.

:Here you go. http://imageshack.us/g/812/vlcsnap2011101601h39m36.png/
:From what I've seen, they just appear to be numbers. In the first pic in the uploaded album, from left to right :

:5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6

:Each rune that appears is a number.

::Oh... huh... here I was expecting some sort of hidden message, but I guess it's just obeying the new theme of her transformation? Gauges? Tons of gauges? I would have expected clocks, honestly, or gears (no reference to Walpurgisnacht, though). Though I guess the gauges are sort of clocks...

:::My first thought wasn't that they were gauges, but more like old, analog stopwatches.[[Special:Contributions/216.54.82.164|216.54.82.164]] 14:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

==Akemi Homura’s Seiyuu: Chiwa Saitou’s Live Dubbing Session on AFA11==
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http://www.animeotakucorner.com/2011/11/09/akemi-homuras-seiyuu-chiwa-saitous-live-dubbing-session-on-afa11/

''Chiwa Saitou, the Seiyuu(Voice Actress) from the popular anime series Puella Magi Madoka Magica’s Akemi Homura will have her own Live Dubbing Session. The event will take place on AFA11′s Main Stage on November 12(Saturday) at 2:15pm. It will be called as ‘Puella Magi Madoka Magica – Akemi Homura Special!’''

''You can also [http://www.animefestival.asia/form/view.php?id=20 ask a question for her.] There is a possibility that your question will appear on stage so why not risk it?'' --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
:The date for the session (Nov 12th) has already passed. Here's a small [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZmLzxCr5P8 vid clip] of it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:Now some [http://www.dannychoo.com/post/ja/26325/%E6%96%8E%E8%97%A4%E5%8D%83%E5%92%8C.html pics]. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:50, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Ok, we really should have a seiyuu page... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Out of curiosity, was there a transcript or is there an article covering the event? It would be nice to have some information so we can add later on. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:17, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

== Ties to Walpurgis Night ==

This is sort of in response to the idea that Homura may be Walpurgis Night. Since Walpurgis Night is a conglomeration of witches, it certainly can't be Homura, at least not Homura alone. On the card for Walpurgis Night, it says that Walpurgis Night has a helpless nature, which Homura shares. She becomes a Puella Magi to save Madoka, which she continually fails to do. After her first revert of time she is an especially useless fighter. In episode three, Homura is bound up and unable to prevent Mami's death. However the card description also says that Walpurgis Night "will continue to rotate aimlessly until the whole of this age into a drama." Aimless hardly describes Akemi Homura, who is extremely focused on her goal.

Yet the similarities between them are strong, and I have theory to explain it.

In episode ten Homura states that Mami's fate is inevitable, she is killed in every possible timeline. Following this fate idea, it maybe that for each Magi there is a rival witch (or witches) who she fights in all timelines. Each witch of plot significance has strong similarities to the Magi that fights her.

'''Charlotte''' has a love for sweets, or at least a theme based around sweets. Mami is seen several times eating cake. According to her card, her nature is tenacity, which could be applied to Mami wish to survive an accident.

'''Elly''' has a covetous nature, which we see a little of in Sakaya, who doesn't react well to Hitomi's pursual of Kamijou. Elly also closed herself off from the world, as did Sakaya following her transformation into a Magi. They also share an affinity for water.

'''Elsa Maria''' has trouble fitting in this theory because she has ties to both Sayaka and Kyoko. For the purposes of this theory, lets assume she was destined for Kyoko. Kyoko has the church connection and at one point held feelings of "self-righteousness" as described on Elsa's card. Kyoko's jointed spear has similarities to the snakes which Elsa Maria fights with. Elsa Maria is worshiping a torch held out by an arm. The similarity of this torch to that held by Lady Liberty gives a (admitted tenuous) connection to Kyoko's personal freedom.

'''Walpurgis Night''' is also troublesome in her similarities to both Homura and Madoka. Both experience feelings of helplessness and have been seen fighting the witch in multiple timelines. For the purposes of the theory I will compare her only to Madoka. Walpurgis Night has very far reaching goals "turning the whole world into a drama," as does Madoka who wishes to make a sort of heaven on earth. Walpurgis Night has red jewels on her sleeve (heart on sleeve maybe?), while Madoka's color is pink which could be a near affinity. Also note the similarities between Madoka's witch-form, which together make an hour glass. Walpurgis Night may also continually reappear in the same place to find Madoka. This does not work perfectly, of course, Homura does much the same thing. If we assume that Homura IS Walpurgis Night (partially anyway), this opens up the connection to Madoka, rahter than diminishing it. Walpurgis Night's familiars of many witches has relevance to Madoka's role as a Magi saving other Magi from falling into despair. While Homura's reappearances are tethered to a single short period of time, Madoka appears all over the world in many times and time-lines, as does Walpurgis Night. Both also meet (and destroy) many Magi.

Finally, if Madoka's rival witch is Walpurgis Night, then perhaps Homura has a rival in '''Gertrude'''. Gertrude has many war-related objects in her world, which ties in nicely to Homura's dependence on Modern weapons. Of most significance is the butterfly theme. Homura's transformation from a weak and helpless girl into her bow-weilding final form as a Puella Magi is very comparible to the metamorphasis of the butterfly. Butterflies are also related to the "betterfly effect", which is a theme played on in Madoka. Homura's devotion to and protection of Madoka is similar to Gertrud's care for her roses. The roses share a color affinity with Madoka. Gertrude has an insincere nature according to her card, which she may share with Homura in that Homura is forced to tell lies and behave coldly toward her friends in later timelines. Also signficant is presence of an Anthony (one of Gertrude's minions) at the end of the World. The Anthony certainly strengthen's Homura's ties to Gertrude, however it also complicates things for the theory. If the world is being destroyed, what business does an Anthony have chatting with Homura away from said world (and Gertrude). There's room to speculate if Homura ''is'' Gertrude, but again, since this does not fit into the theory let's just assume minions and familiars are capable of a little independence. Characteristic of the single-minded rivals, when they do meet, they do not make any efforts to fight each other, Homura is concerned with killing Kyubei and Gertrude is concerned with her roses. When confronted they both run away.

I think I might be on to something here. Let me know what you think!
[[User:OnionJack|OnionJack]] 14:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)Onion Jack (Thomas)
:As for the Anthony at the end of the world, a simple explanation is that Anthonies were the first witch-realm creatures Madoka encountered in the main timeline, so Madoka (who likes fluffy things) thinks of them as representatives of the magical world. (On a production level, Inu Curry said that Anthonies were their favorite)

:I'm not convinced of direct connections between the girls and witches (in the sense of them being counterparts or witch forms of the girls), but it wouldn't be so strange if magical beings with things in common have a tendency to find each other kind of like how stand users in JoJo do. The runes in Charlotte's barrier talking about Mami and Homu could indicate witches experiencing things like Madoka's dream from the beginning of ep 1. [[User:KM|KM]] 21:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== Homura's route in PSP game ==

I'm curious where such story can be found since I only learn that their fate can be changed. But I don't know what will happen next. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

== Anyone knows the meaning/purpose of those short cut in scenes of Homura turning her head? ==

I remember 2 of them. Not sure if there are more.

Episode 5 at 12:22

Episode 11 at 15:30

They just don't seem to fit in. As if they are not really happening right then and there.

[[Special:Contributions/84.179.144.20|84.179.144.20]] 20:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

[[File:Shaft head tilt.jpg|thumb]]
Something like that? ->

Ah, the infamous shaft head tilt. [[SHAFT]], the anime studio behind Madoka, is known for these sorts of strange directional touches. After [[Shinbo]] came along, along with sparse setting, post-modern architecture, quick eye cuts, fancy typography slides, and etc have became SHAFT's calling card. You can see these elements in pretty much every show SHAFT has worked on since. Madoka is actually fairly benign on these eccentricities. Check out [[Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei]] or [[Bakemonogatari]] for these coming out in full force.

Now, concerning what it means - when you see a cut of a character quick turn and tilts her head slightly... It can mean a turn in mood; a shift in focus; a change of mind. Honestly though, it doesn't mean much. It's just something Shaft does. It's simply "Shaft being Shaft."
- [[User:Prima|Prima]] 17:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

== Age ==

Homura is same age as Madoka so Homura is 14 not 13 !!!
[[Special:Contributions/198.47.101.2|198.47.101.2]] 00:12, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

== What's going on with the edit wars?! ==

All of this adding and removing is putting this page's progress to a standstill. Can't we all get our ideas out in a way that doesn't intertwine/interrupt someone else's edit? T^T And then people remove the work of others to put their own... then they put it back... If you would like, use this section to try to sort everyone's thoughts on what to put where so that we all have our contributions and ideas that we worked on for the wiki mixed in there somewhere and having them transition in a nice and smooth manner without all of this extra misplaced stuff lying around. I don't want to feel like I have to look at older revisions of this page in order to get all of the information I'm looking for. It should be unnecessary, it's too time consuming, and it validates my point. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 16:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Someone apparently doesn't like the fact that the observations section calls Homura's behavior unhealthy and abusive and points out all the ways it is (and also ones like "Madoka using honorifics with her name visibly upsets her", for whatever reason), so they're constantly removing the information. It's pretty childish if you ask me. The page/section should probably get locked for a while (though it should be locked on a revision that has the abuse analysis on it. It's important and the kind of thing that people should really know about). --[[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 20:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Can't we have both sides of the argument on the page? I mean, it's unfair to delete another's work just because you disagree with it, but we could find a way to make both ideas separate sections. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 23:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

There's not two separate ideas. It's one section (and then a few other bits) that keep being deleted by petty people who don't like the idea of their precious Homura being called abusive and unhealthy. I say we lock the page for a while to stop the edit war; maybe that'll even kill it. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 23:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, so it's just deletion and vandalism!? I thought I saw some links being posted about her actions being justified in someone else's view. I was under the impression that it was just conflicting ideas. Sorry about that. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 23:56, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

There ''have'' been, but I've read the argument and it's not "justification" so much as it is excusing Homura's actions/essentially abuse apologism, so it's not acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 00:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for beating a dead horse, but most of that tumblr post is not a "justification" either for Homura's behaviour at all. That post just feels like trying to paint Homura in a bad light. There are already many analysis that debunked that tumblr post so I'm going to add them soon. --[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 21:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

This isn't a tumblr post. It's a 'wiki'. Besides, shouldn't wikis be at least neutral? But there are many and many conflicts with homura, though. boop Anon 23:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I was talking about the tumblr post under the 'observation' section. And that one observation point where some viewers said Homura is an abusive person. And yes, wiki should be neutral which is why I'll also be adding the analysis about Homura not being an abusive person. --[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 00:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I removed the alleged informations since they were actually false and was added by someone who hates Homura which explains that they were trying make her look like an abuser/psycho. However, if you guys feel what I did was unfair/rude, then feel free to undo my edits. However, I could easily explain and show that Homura doesn't fit the "Psychopath" textbook and how she isn't really abusive towards Madoka, and that she actually cares about the others. I would also add some quotes from writer Jed A. Blue to show what they observed about Homura's behaviour.--[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 18:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

== The First Month ==

Howdy folks. Given that the anime came out in 2011, and Homura gets out of the hospital on the 16th, and that day is shown to be falling on Wednesday, then the month her time loop starts in is March for certain. Granted, the calendar doesn't show what day the week starts on (most have Sunday as the first day of the week, but a few use Monday, though these are usually business or payroll calendars) and MAYBE the year isn't 2011 in the anime... But I don't see why not when everything else lines up just fine. Occam's Razor and all. [[User:BlackAeronaut|BlackAeronaut]] ([[User talk:BlackAeronaut|talk]]) 14:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

== Regarding her powers ==

Hello, I'd like to discuss this because I haven't seen it brought up anywhere else. Homura's "Powers & Abilities" section only seems to list her time manipulation, which is all what they look like to an extent. However, didn't she shoot pink magic at Kyubey right in [[Episode 1]] (which was remembered in [[Episode 10]], too)? It looks like something unrelated to manipulating time, unless that is connected with manipulating space somehow. [[User:Paradi0x|Paradi0x]] ([[User talk:Paradi0x|talk]]) 17:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

== Homura's VA in Mexican Spanish ==

Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me to put Homura's VA in the mexican spanish dub of Magia Record, I can't edit Homura's page like other characters. The name of the VA that played Homura in Magia Record's Anime is "Fernanda Ornelas". Thanks

[[User:Karminja|Karminja]] ([[User talk:Karminja|talk]]) 05:20, 23 April 2023 (UTC) Karminja

:I believe your account needs to be 1 week old to edit protected pages, so if no-one else does it, you can wait a few days and do it yourself. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]])
::Listo. Gracias por notificarnos. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 19:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

== Family ==

I think I saw a translation of MMPortable that says that she has two parents. I'm hesitant to add this to her page since this is a fan translation, though. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 15:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Weapons ==
I think it's better to leave in the bit about "Homura has been shown to use ...". Hand guns, pipe bombs, and golf clubs aren't her magical girl weapon. She actively has to either make or steal those items otherwise she wouldn't have them. Her only real weapons are the shield or the black bow & arrow in wraith arc. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 01:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

== Adding Devil Homura infobox images here too ==

I've seen that the [[Madoka]] page has both her "normal" appearances and her [[Ultimate Madoka]] appearances. Should we then add [[Devil Homura]] appearances too here (with the exception of [[:File:Devil Homura WR.jpg|her real "devil" appearance]], of course)? I think either we have both pages with all of them or we treat them as separate and remove those infobox images in the Madoka page too. I'm fine with any of the two. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 08:31, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
:The way I see it, Ultimate Madoka is a being made up of the Law of Cycles and Madoka, so when Homura rips Madoka from Ultimate Madoka, Madoka returns to being normal. Obviously she still has some connection to the law of cycles (end of rebellion) but I do think that the Madoka we see in Walpurgisnacht Rising can't be considered Ultimate Madoka. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:35, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
:: Well, at least that reasoning would explain why the Ultimate Madoka page still has that promoted article image instead of any (or all) of those from Rising. I'm still not sure about that distinction, but I will wait until I watch Rising to reach a conclusion. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 10:14, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

== The Decorative Hair and Glasses, why is it sometimes here? ==

[[File:Homura School Full.png|100px]]
[[File:Episode 10 (4).png|100px]]

I have no idea why she sometimes have decorative hair or sometimes have glasses. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 19:11, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Homura Akemi

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==Spoiler==

Why is there a massive Higurashi spoiler in the trivia section? Specifically the "Homurika" one [[User:Jag|Jag]] ([[User talk:Jag|talk]]) 17:20, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
: ops, added spoiler tag. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] ([[User talk:Prima|talk]]) 19:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
:: Is it okay if we mark it as a Higurashi spoiler as well? I don't think there's any way to know what show the spoiler would be referring to if you haven't watched the show, and they'd have to click on it to find out. -
[[User:Jag|Jag]] ([[User talk:Jag|talk]]) 05:22, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
::: Added - [[User:Prima|Prima]] ([[User talk:Prima|talk]]) 21:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

== Nutcracker ==

i wanted to add an observation about how Akuma Homura cracks her soul gem between her teeth, like a nutracker. Could I do that? [[User:Leafbladie|Leafbladie]] ([[User talk:Leafbladie|talk]]) 15:07, 27 April 2019 (UTC)leafbladie
:Yeah, I think that's more than appropriate. It fits in line with her theme. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 16:21, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that we move all speculations from this page to a speculation page dedicated to Homura (and possibly the other four main characters). This could be a good occasion to clean up all the stuff that was proven wrong.
:I concur. -[[User:Becquerel|Becquerel]] 04:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
::I agree too, if by "clean up" you mean "tag properly", like the wishes thing. No content should be removed IMO, just for "historical accurracy" --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 07:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the speculation moving, but I think we should have a dedicated page for speculation on each character. I have loads of speculation talked over heaps with my brother that I really want to post here... until I saw this. I also think that the speculation pages dedicated to each character should be just for speculah that hasn't been proven right or wrong yet. Theories proved right or wrong should just be placed on the official page on the character. FIFI 00:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
:I also agree that something should be done about the speculation. Moving everything unconfirmed doesn't sound like a bad idea (and quite easy to do for this page), but there's also pages like [[Kyoko#Speculations & Observations|Kyoko's]] where everything is even more disorganized. For now, I'd direct you to the [[Theories]] page. Feel free to make a new page there if you have a lot of connected speculation. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 10:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

abour her strong power in the new timeline: maybe because she suffered much in all the previous timelines she got a boost-up just like madoka

I removed stuff that didn't belong on this page (there was speculah about Walpurgis Night's familiars, for example, which is already present on WPN's various pages and doesn't need to be here) as well as the needless arguments on theories that have been debunked. If I knew how to make new pages -and- make said new pages look pretty and formatted, I'd move the whole speculah section to a new page, but my mad skillz at wiki pages go as far as "I can edit text".
:Regarding the theories proven right/wrong, and your editing skills, I made [[Template:Theory/Header|a template]] to classify theories by status (see output [[User:Homerun-chan/Theory_tags|here]]). I do not have the time right now, but I think it'd be a good idea to order the theories by category then --it's in the [[wishlist]] actually --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

==Homura: One Man Army==
¥ 1,383,040,300 ($17,037,114 USD) worth of military weapons and equipment!! Damn, maybe Homura should start with Nicolas Cage in "Lord of War II: The Walpurgis Night Incident" --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:I'm still baffled. I mean, it's hard to believe. RPGs aren't ''that'' expensive. The guy who made the vid must have made some fancy cals. Still... Lord Of War was a great film, and I would buy that squel in the blink of an eye ^^ --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

==HOMU==
[http://www.homelessmuseum.org/ HOMU: The Homeless Museum of Art]. Nothing important, I just found this to be a bit funny. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

==Homura's Stoicism Draft==
I feel like I am juggling with too many ideas. That has always been my problem when trying to make something clear and concise. I am going to need some help to wrinkle out the article once I am done. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
:Fitting actually that you mention article. You could post your thoughts freely and put it there. Right now, it feels like you want to write about all the characters and not just Homura. It's also gone beyond the facts to the point that if it stayed on the Homura page, I'd have to say it goes under speculah. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::I moved the draft here. I feel like the writing is going to become larger as I feel like to understand the Homura character we have to also understand her interaction to others as perhaps her personal experience with them and a need for comparison. I wonder If this should become a separate article all together?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

==Understanding Homura's Stoicism==
Homura's emotionless and cold exterior has been misinterpreted and misunderstood by fans and observers alike. This has led to the interpretation that Homura is a dangerous Yandere, others believe her to be a psychopath with littler regard for human lives (with the exception of Madoka), but these interpretations are highly incorrect and inaccurate. This is caused by the misleading first impression we build from lacking a fundamental understanding of her background and personality. To understand Homura it is essential to rewatch some of her scenes and discover the subtle differences from first time viewing for comparison. Once we understand Homura's background and mission and her single obsession to save Madoka viewers would observe Homura in a new light.

Beneath Homura's stoic mask one will uncover the true Homura, a trace of her true self that she tries to shield with an emotional wall to cope with the rising danger of accumulating too much despair. Homura isn't the only character to be misinterpreted and misunderstood for expressing controversial opinions and actions to reach her goal, but their comparison would help to differentiate Homura from the rest of the characters. Homura developed an early survival skill to cope with her new realty to save Madoka.

Homura's Past:

To understand the Homura character it is essential to watch [[Episode 10]] and to listen the drama CD ''[[Drama CD 1|"Memories of you"]]''. First, the Drama CD contains information regarding Homura's difficulty to adapt to a new school setting as a transfer student; no one knows her nor they try to understand her and her struggles. In her new environment Homura experiences school bullying (non-physical), demeaning rumors behind her back, and low opinion about her abilities as a person and as a student. Homura is already a fragile girl with low self-esteem caused by her weak heart and her weak physical body, with the addition of emotional stress caused by her unpopularity at school it is enough to emotionally crush her to the point of driving her to suicide and despair, or at least an enticement under a Witch's spell to end her suffering.

Another source of Homura's emotional transformation are the events taking place in the different timelines in [[Episode 10]]. Homura's experience in different timelines brought her insight into how to formulate different ways to rescue Madoka and stop Walpurgis Night. When a new element of surprised was introduced in the timeline, Homura would formulate a new solution to deviate from the same outcome. The first issue was uncovering the truth about the Puella Magi system, Homura tried to convince the girls that Kyubey was deceiving them. Sayaka reacted with distrust and Mami with skepticism, Madoka as well. The reasons are understandable as Homura is a stranger and a new comer and without any evidence to back her claim they arent ready to accept the truth. However, Mami's and Sayaka's real reasons differentiate with Madoka's and it sheds a light to their character.

Murder:

Mami's character is the embodiment of a humble Ojou-sama and a kind Onee-sama. While Mami exudes class, grace, and beauty, she never flaunts her privilege or status. She tries to become a mentor for Madoka and Sayaka but at the same time tries to caution them that the life of a Puella Magi is not without sacrifice and difficulties. Mami's speech in [[Episode 3]] gives us a glimpse to the kind of life Mami has led so far, a very lonely and solitary life with no one to call a friend. Mami's seriousness is betrayed by her emotional outburst of joy and monologue when Madoka pledges to become a Puella Magi and join together with Mami in her duty to hunt down Witches and protect the city. For the first time we learn that Mami is truly happy with being a Puella Magi. We must consider that while Mami took her responsibility as a Puella Magi with seriousness and professionalism, we can see through flashes that she was unhappy with that type of life. Perhaps we it can interpret her duty as a Puella Magi a form of [[wiki:Noblesse_oblige|''Noblesse Oblige'']].

If [[Episode 3]] uncovers Mami's unhappiness then [[Episode 10]] marks her despair. The nature of her despair requires a deep analysis to understand Mami's lapse of judgement and brief moment of insanity. Given the glimpse we observe regarding Mami's solitary lifestyle and her sacrifice to protect the people and the city, it is understandable as to why Mami lost her composure. One could interpret that all her work and sacrifice was for naught, that the lives she saved would be meaningless once she became a Witch, and that her personal sacrifice and unhappiness contributed to the propagation of a horrifying system. Mami's sense of despair is understandable, however, her following actions contribute to her criticism and are the source of many arguments against her character. Mami's early impression is shattered once she gives in into despair and we glimpse into her weakest moment as a human being. But on the other hand it could be interpreted as the next logical step into a world that has gone mad. Mami knows that her friends have no future, that it is only a matter of time they will become Witches, to spare them of their suffering (and her own) and halt the death of future victims at their hands as Witches she decides that death (and suicide) is the logical and noble choice. No matter the interpretation or justification to fans what Mami did is considered an unforgivable act. What Mami committed was an act of betrayal by killing her ''kouhai'', she commits murder by attempting to take their lives without their consent and consultation.

Surprisingly the Anime series presents different acts that involves killing and murder under different circumstances. And each act requires to be judged on their own. If Mami's action in [[Episode 10]] can be interpreted as a betrayal (or desperation), then Madoka's action to stop Mami's murdering rampage can be interpreted as an act of self-defense and justifiable homicide, acting in defense of others (or in this case an attempt to save Homura). Many fans have criticized Madoka as a helpless crybaby, but this (horrifying) single act of bravery demonstrates Madoka's measure as a Puella Magi and as a person. Not only is she willing to take personal risks to save others, but she is also willing to make the tough choices when the situation calls for it, even if it means killing a friend to save another. Madoka is not a helpless character, she is only helpless because she is unsure what to do to make things right. True to Madoka's character she understands the danger she is imposing by becoming a Witch, rather than use the Grief Seed to save her own life she saves Homura with no regrets, then she asks Homura to do the unthinkable. Under the agony of pain and sorrow Homura commits a merciful killing by stoping Madoka's transformation into a Witch. This is not the act of a cold blooded killer (which she has been accused to be many times) but that of a friend under duress.

In no moment during the series Homura has been a senseless cold blooded killer or a murderer (under the narrow definition), it could be said that she has expressed her opinion to take bold action when the moment requires it, that includes taking a life (just like Madoka did). Which lead us to another controversy and criticism.

Sayaka:

==Transformation Runes==
People who have watched episode 11's blu-ray version must have noticed that Homura's transformation got a major overhaul, including a large quantity of spinning, floating runes.

Would anyone be able to take high-quality screenshots of these so that they can be translated? I'm willing to do it, if someone uploads screenshots.

:Here you go. http://imageshack.us/g/812/vlcsnap2011101601h39m36.png/
:From what I've seen, they just appear to be numbers. In the first pic in the uploaded album, from left to right :

:5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6

:Each rune that appears is a number.

::Oh... huh... here I was expecting some sort of hidden message, but I guess it's just obeying the new theme of her transformation? Gauges? Tons of gauges? I would have expected clocks, honestly, or gears (no reference to Walpurgisnacht, though). Though I guess the gauges are sort of clocks...

:::My first thought wasn't that they were gauges, but more like old, analog stopwatches.[[Special:Contributions/216.54.82.164|216.54.82.164]] 14:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

==Akemi Homura’s Seiyuu: Chiwa Saitou’s Live Dubbing Session on AFA11==
[[File:Chiwaguest.jpg|right|200px]]
http://www.animeotakucorner.com/2011/11/09/akemi-homuras-seiyuu-chiwa-saitous-live-dubbing-session-on-afa11/

''Chiwa Saitou, the Seiyuu(Voice Actress) from the popular anime series Puella Magi Madoka Magica’s Akemi Homura will have her own Live Dubbing Session. The event will take place on AFA11′s Main Stage on November 12(Saturday) at 2:15pm. It will be called as ‘Puella Magi Madoka Magica – Akemi Homura Special!’''

''You can also [http://www.animefestival.asia/form/view.php?id=20 ask a question for her.] There is a possibility that your question will appear on stage so why not risk it?'' --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
:The date for the session (Nov 12th) has already passed. Here's a small [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZmLzxCr5P8 vid clip] of it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
:Now some [http://www.dannychoo.com/post/ja/26325/%E6%96%8E%E8%97%A4%E5%8D%83%E5%92%8C.html pics]. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:50, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Ok, we really should have a seiyuu page... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:45, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Out of curiosity, was there a transcript or is there an article covering the event? It would be nice to have some information so we can add later on. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:17, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

== Ties to Walpurgis Night ==

This is sort of in response to the idea that Homura may be Walpurgis Night. Since Walpurgis Night is a conglomeration of witches, it certainly can't be Homura, at least not Homura alone. On the card for Walpurgis Night, it says that Walpurgis Night has a helpless nature, which Homura shares. She becomes a Puella Magi to save Madoka, which she continually fails to do. After her first revert of time she is an especially useless fighter. In episode three, Homura is bound up and unable to prevent Mami's death. However the card description also says that Walpurgis Night "will continue to rotate aimlessly until the whole of this age into a drama." Aimless hardly describes Akemi Homura, who is extremely focused on her goal.

Yet the similarities between them are strong, and I have theory to explain it.

In episode ten Homura states that Mami's fate is inevitable, she is killed in every possible timeline. Following this fate idea, it maybe that for each Magi there is a rival witch (or witches) who she fights in all timelines. Each witch of plot significance has strong similarities to the Magi that fights her.

'''Charlotte''' has a love for sweets, or at least a theme based around sweets. Mami is seen several times eating cake. According to her card, her nature is tenacity, which could be applied to Mami wish to survive an accident.

'''Elly''' has a covetous nature, which we see a little of in Sakaya, who doesn't react well to Hitomi's pursual of Kamijou. Elly also closed herself off from the world, as did Sakaya following her transformation into a Magi. They also share an affinity for water.

'''Elsa Maria''' has trouble fitting in this theory because she has ties to both Sayaka and Kyoko. For the purposes of this theory, lets assume she was destined for Kyoko. Kyoko has the church connection and at one point held feelings of "self-righteousness" as described on Elsa's card. Kyoko's jointed spear has similarities to the snakes which Elsa Maria fights with. Elsa Maria is worshiping a torch held out by an arm. The similarity of this torch to that held by Lady Liberty gives a (admitted tenuous) connection to Kyoko's personal freedom.

'''Walpurgis Night''' is also troublesome in her similarities to both Homura and Madoka. Both experience feelings of helplessness and have been seen fighting the witch in multiple timelines. For the purposes of the theory I will compare her only to Madoka. Walpurgis Night has very far reaching goals "turning the whole world into a drama," as does Madoka who wishes to make a sort of heaven on earth. Walpurgis Night has red jewels on her sleeve (heart on sleeve maybe?), while Madoka's color is pink which could be a near affinity. Also note the similarities between Madoka's witch-form, which together make an hour glass. Walpurgis Night may also continually reappear in the same place to find Madoka. This does not work perfectly, of course, Homura does much the same thing. If we assume that Homura IS Walpurgis Night (partially anyway), this opens up the connection to Madoka, rahter than diminishing it. Walpurgis Night's familiars of many witches has relevance to Madoka's role as a Magi saving other Magi from falling into despair. While Homura's reappearances are tethered to a single short period of time, Madoka appears all over the world in many times and time-lines, as does Walpurgis Night. Both also meet (and destroy) many Magi.

Finally, if Madoka's rival witch is Walpurgis Night, then perhaps Homura has a rival in '''Gertrude'''. Gertrude has many war-related objects in her world, which ties in nicely to Homura's dependence on Modern weapons. Of most significance is the butterfly theme. Homura's transformation from a weak and helpless girl into her bow-weilding final form as a Puella Magi is very comparible to the metamorphasis of the butterfly. Butterflies are also related to the "betterfly effect", which is a theme played on in Madoka. Homura's devotion to and protection of Madoka is similar to Gertrud's care for her roses. The roses share a color affinity with Madoka. Gertrude has an insincere nature according to her card, which she may share with Homura in that Homura is forced to tell lies and behave coldly toward her friends in later timelines. Also signficant is presence of an Anthony (one of Gertrude's minions) at the end of the World. The Anthony certainly strengthen's Homura's ties to Gertrude, however it also complicates things for the theory. If the world is being destroyed, what business does an Anthony have chatting with Homura away from said world (and Gertrude). There's room to speculate if Homura ''is'' Gertrude, but again, since this does not fit into the theory let's just assume minions and familiars are capable of a little independence. Characteristic of the single-minded rivals, when they do meet, they do not make any efforts to fight each other, Homura is concerned with killing Kyubei and Gertrude is concerned with her roses. When confronted they both run away.

I think I might be on to something here. Let me know what you think!
[[User:OnionJack|OnionJack]] 14:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC)Onion Jack (Thomas)
:As for the Anthony at the end of the world, a simple explanation is that Anthonies were the first witch-realm creatures Madoka encountered in the main timeline, so Madoka (who likes fluffy things) thinks of them as representatives of the magical world. (On a production level, Inu Curry said that Anthonies were their favorite)

:I'm not convinced of direct connections between the girls and witches (in the sense of them being counterparts or witch forms of the girls), but it wouldn't be so strange if magical beings with things in common have a tendency to find each other kind of like how stand users in JoJo do. The runes in Charlotte's barrier talking about Mami and Homu could indicate witches experiencing things like Madoka's dream from the beginning of ep 1. [[User:KM|KM]] 21:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== Homura's route in PSP game ==

I'm curious where such story can be found since I only learn that their fate can be changed. But I don't know what will happen next. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:41, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

== Anyone knows the meaning/purpose of those short cut in scenes of Homura turning her head? ==

I remember 2 of them. Not sure if there are more.

Episode 5 at 12:22

Episode 11 at 15:30

They just don't seem to fit in. As if they are not really happening right then and there.

[[Special:Contributions/84.179.144.20|84.179.144.20]] 20:48, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

[[File:Shaft head tilt.jpg|thumb]]
Something like that? ->

Ah, the infamous shaft head tilt. [[SHAFT]], the anime studio behind Madoka, is known for these sorts of strange directional touches. After [[Shinbo]] came along, along with sparse setting, post-modern architecture, quick eye cuts, fancy typography slides, and etc have became SHAFT's calling card. You can see these elements in pretty much every show SHAFT has worked on since. Madoka is actually fairly benign on these eccentricities. Check out [[Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei]] or [[Bakemonogatari]] for these coming out in full force.

Now, concerning what it means - when you see a cut of a character quick turn and tilts her head slightly... It can mean a turn in mood; a shift in focus; a change of mind. Honestly though, it doesn't mean much. It's just something Shaft does. It's simply "Shaft being Shaft."
- [[User:Prima|Prima]] 17:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

== Age ==

Homura is same age as Madoka so Homura is 14 not 13 !!!
[[Special:Contributions/198.47.101.2|198.47.101.2]] 00:12, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

== What's going on with the edit wars?! ==

All of this adding and removing is putting this page's progress to a standstill. Can't we all get our ideas out in a way that doesn't intertwine/interrupt someone else's edit? T^T And then people remove the work of others to put their own... then they put it back... If you would like, use this section to try to sort everyone's thoughts on what to put where so that we all have our contributions and ideas that we worked on for the wiki mixed in there somewhere and having them transition in a nice and smooth manner without all of this extra misplaced stuff lying around. I don't want to feel like I have to look at older revisions of this page in order to get all of the information I'm looking for. It should be unnecessary, it's too time consuming, and it validates my point. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 16:44, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Someone apparently doesn't like the fact that the observations section calls Homura's behavior unhealthy and abusive and points out all the ways it is (and also ones like "Madoka using honorifics with her name visibly upsets her", for whatever reason), so they're constantly removing the information. It's pretty childish if you ask me. The page/section should probably get locked for a while (though it should be locked on a revision that has the abuse analysis on it. It's important and the kind of thing that people should really know about). --[[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 20:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Can't we have both sides of the argument on the page? I mean, it's unfair to delete another's work just because you disagree with it, but we could find a way to make both ideas separate sections. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 23:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

There's not two separate ideas. It's one section (and then a few other bits) that keep being deleted by petty people who don't like the idea of their precious Homura being called abusive and unhealthy. I say we lock the page for a while to stop the edit war; maybe that'll even kill it. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 23:41, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, so it's just deletion and vandalism!? I thought I saw some links being posted about her actions being justified in someone else's view. I was under the impression that it was just conflicting ideas. Sorry about that. --[[User:Lord Fawful|Lord Fawful]] 23:56, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

There ''have'' been, but I've read the argument and it's not "justification" so much as it is excusing Homura's actions/essentially abuse apologism, so it's not acceptable. [[Special:Contributions/198.41.239.138|198.41.239.138]] 00:38, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for beating a dead horse, but most of that tumblr post is not a "justification" either for Homura's behaviour at all. That post just feels like trying to paint Homura in a bad light. There are already many analysis that debunked that tumblr post so I'm going to add them soon. --[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 21:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

This isn't a tumblr post. It's a 'wiki'. Besides, shouldn't wikis be at least neutral? But there are many and many conflicts with homura, though. boop Anon 23:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I was talking about the tumblr post under the 'observation' section. And that one observation point where some viewers said Homura is an abusive person. And yes, wiki should be neutral which is why I'll also be adding the analysis about Homura not being an abusive person. --[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 00:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I removed the alleged informations since they were actually false and was added by someone who hates Homura which explains that they were trying make her look like an abuser/psycho. However, if you guys feel what I did was unfair/rude, then feel free to undo my edits. However, I could easily explain and show that Homura doesn't fit the "Psychopath" textbook and how she isn't really abusive towards Madoka, and that she actually cares about the others. I would also add some quotes from writer Jed A. Blue to show what they observed about Homura's behaviour.--[[User:Caglar|Caglar]] ([[User talk:Caglar|talk]]) 18:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

== The First Month ==

Howdy folks. Given that the anime came out in 2011, and Homura gets out of the hospital on the 16th, and that day is shown to be falling on Wednesday, then the month her time loop starts in is March for certain. Granted, the calendar doesn't show what day the week starts on (most have Sunday as the first day of the week, but a few use Monday, though these are usually business or payroll calendars) and MAYBE the year isn't 2011 in the anime... But I don't see why not when everything else lines up just fine. Occam's Razor and all. [[User:BlackAeronaut|BlackAeronaut]] ([[User talk:BlackAeronaut|talk]]) 14:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

== Regarding her powers ==

Hello, I'd like to discuss this because I haven't seen it brought up anywhere else. Homura's "Powers & Abilities" section only seems to list her time manipulation, which is all what they look like to an extent. However, didn't she shoot pink magic at Kyubey right in [[Episode 1]] (which was remembered in [[Episode 10]], too)? It looks like something unrelated to manipulating time, unless that is connected with manipulating space somehow. [[User:Paradi0x|Paradi0x]] ([[User talk:Paradi0x|talk]]) 17:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

== Homura's VA in Mexican Spanish ==

Hi, I was wondering if someone could help me to put Homura's VA in the mexican spanish dub of Magia Record, I can't edit Homura's page like other characters. The name of the VA that played Homura in Magia Record's Anime is "Fernanda Ornelas". Thanks

[[User:Karminja|Karminja]] ([[User talk:Karminja|talk]]) 05:20, 23 April 2023 (UTC) Karminja

:I believe your account needs to be 1 week old to edit protected pages, so if no-one else does it, you can wait a few days and do it yourself. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]])
::Listo. Gracias por notificarnos. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 19:06, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

== Family ==

I think I saw a translation of MMPortable that says that she has two parents. I'm hesitant to add this to her page since this is a fan translation, though. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 15:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Weapons ==
I think it's better to leave in the bit about "Homura has been shown to use ...". Hand guns, pipe bombs, and golf clubs aren't her magical girl weapon. She actively has to either make or steal those items otherwise she wouldn't have them. Her only real weapons are the shield or the black bow & arrow in wraith arc. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 01:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

== Adding Devil Homura infobox images here too ==

I've seen that the [[Madoka]] page has both her "normal" appearances and her [[Ultimate Madoka]] appearances. Should we then add [[Devil Homura]] appearances too here (with the exception of [[:File:Devil Homura WR.jpg|her real "devil" appearance]], of course)? I think either we have both pages with all of them or we treat them as separate and remove those infobox images in the Madoka page too. I'm fine with any of the two. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 08:31, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
:The way I see it, Ultimate Madoka is a being made up of the Law of Cycles and Madoka, so when Homura rips Madoka from Ultimate Madoka, Madoka returns to being normal. Obviously she still has some connection to the law of cycles (end of rebellion) but I do think that the Madoka we see in Walpurgisnacht Rising can't be considered Ultimate Madoka. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:35, 25 August 2026 (UTC)
:: Well, at least that reasoning would explain why the Ultimate Madoka page still has that promoted article image instead of any (or all) of those from Rising. I'm still not sure about that distinction, but I will wait until I watch Rising to reach a conclusion. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 10:14, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

== The Decorative Hair and Glasses, why is it sometimes here? ==

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I have no idea why she sometimes has decorative hair or glasses. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 19:11, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

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== Interacting with bots ==

Hello! I wanted to inform you that the user you interacted with "What" to was a bot. In the future, I would recommend not interacting with them and to let moderators handle it. Have a good day. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 14:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

== Kuro ==

Just letting you know, but くろ and 黒 are not their last names – both are different ways of writing "kuro" in Japanese, so it's just a difference in spelling. Do you still think it's worth including that information on [[Kuro|this page]]? (I'm not trying to say it's not worth it; I'm letting you decide.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 06:17, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
:Honestly yeah, I know there's the little description next to their name but if Magireco added the くろ and 黒 as a way of differentiating them, I don't see why the kuro page shouldn't, and it helps me identify them quicker. (Also i got the idea of it being a last name because of [[Kuro (くろ)|Kuro's (くろ)]] etymology section where it calls it that) --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
::I mean, sure, it is technically their last name. "Kuro" is presumed to be their surname, not their given name. But your phrasing seemed to imply you were thinking of "Kuro" as the first name and the Japanese characters as the surname, which is not the case. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:34, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Deletion requests ==

Please don't blank the page when requesting for it to be deleted. Just add the deletion requests category. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:27, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:If you're talking about ''Magia Exedra Story Transcripts/Magia Record Main Story - Rumor of the Anonymous AI/Portrait Story'' then I wasn't the one who deleted the content, it was EPF (they created and edited the page so I can't blame them) I only added the deletion request category (I guess I can't prove it since the page is gone). The only proof are [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable & Mami's Heart-Pounding Tiro Finale Grief Seeds]] and [[Minor Oriko Witches]] still having their content (I "moved" them to [[Madoka Magica Grief Seeds]] and [[Oriko Magica Witches]] respectively) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:05, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

== Memory Windows ==

It seems you missed the Symbol Witch and the Mirror Witch? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:Yeah I'm not the one who extracted them out of the files so I can't really find them on my own. I was hoping to get them through EPF's google drive but it seems like theyre not updating it currently so I got them from the Exedra wiki. They dont have the symbol, mirror and two forms of stagecraft window. I'm REALLY not good with any file extracting so I'm sorry that I can't look for them myself. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, that's fair. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Rumor of Walpurgisnacht ==

<blockquote>"I need help, I wanted to change the walpurgisnacht rumor to the eng dub one but I genuinely CANNOT hear what uwasasan is saying in some parts T_T"</blockquote>
Are you not using closed captions (cc)? It should help you. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 00:15, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:The only ones I can use are the translated ones, when I want to upload the official english rumor. If you or anyone else has the real english cc it would help T_T. --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

== Gallery moves!? ==

Wait, why are all the gallery pages being moved? We already went to the trouble of making Gallery: be a proper namespace. What's the problem with having the galleries in their own namespace? Is there some reason why they absolutely have to be subpages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:At first I saw Amaterasu doing it, and since I was changing [[Template:Navbox Anime Gallery]] I decided to just go with it and start moving them. Tbh I shouldn't bring Amaterasu into this but since they're way longer on this wiki and their changes were just left unquestioned I assumed everyone was okay with them, and I wanted to help ཀ ʖ̯ ཀ. I can still change them back even if it takes time but please while you're here delete the redirects I put in [[:Category:Deletion requests|deletion requests]], they're extremely unnecessary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:35, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::The use of subpages is more efficient, in my view. It allows you to quickly link back to the main page, and I think it's better than simply using "Gallery:", since it also makes it clear that it isn't a new page, simply a part of the page. I probably didn't explain this well, I just woke up. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:42, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

:::Yeah, I agree with gallery subpages too. Another bonus is searchability - you have to preface everything with Gallery: if you wanna search for pages in that namespace, they don't appear otherwise. Which kinda sucks. However I'm also pretty sure we're using some cursed old search extension. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:16, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

::::Though, you could also argue that not appearing in searches is a ''good'' thing. Someone searching is more likely to want the article than the gallery. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:01, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

== CSS ==

Regarding [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Witch_Card&diff=next&oldid=193460 this edit]: I'm not sure what you were going for, but you misspelled "margin-top". It has a hyphen in it, not an underscore. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:27, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
:Tried checking it again and it still doesn't work, on some pages the name box appears on the same position as the witch display but on others (like [[Minor Magia Record Witches and Doppels]]) its a little bit lower, it might be some other part of the code though. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:32, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

== Tabbers ==

I noticed you're experimenting with the new <nowiki><tabber></nowiki> tag that was recently installed. Please be sure to watch out for pages that link to specific tabs, as the fragment (the part after <code>#</code>) completely changes with the new system. So, just changing a page to use the new tabs instead of the old potentially breaks links silently with no warning at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:25, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
:Okay, I'll check if the Iroha edit I made broke any links, for now Im focusing on making empty Exedra Event pages but I'll remember it - thanks! - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 04:28, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

== Star ==

Why are you changing the star? The memoria cards clearly use eight-pointed stars, not five-pointed stars. That's why I used an eight-pointed star in the category names. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]])
:On my laptop the star was a blank box (🟎) Idk if Safari doesnt understand that symbol but it just looked broken. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:01, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
:I checked and it just doesn't work on Safari, even if its made with html (🟎). Ive found ones that work, ✵ and ✴ (there are other eight-pointed stars but only these are rotated correctly), I prefer the first one. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:20, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
::So basically it's an issue of you don't have a font with that character. Of the two stars you found that ''do'' work though, I think the second is actually more suitable. The first is "eight-pointed pinwheel star", and it's not solid black unlike the other two. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:59, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

== Enemy elements ==

Do you have a specific order that you think the elements should be shown in for the "enemies" section on the memory window pages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:18, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:They appear in that order in the suggested element section before a fight and the fight itself. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:22, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::So you haven't really checked if the order is always the same then. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:24, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I mean?? I never saw them appear in any other order, so I do just assume that it stays the same. If that's not the case then yeah it should be changed. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::I looked through them a bit. It looks like the game is always listing them in the same order that they appear in the upgrade/crystalis quest lists. At least, I didn't see any that contradicted that order. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:39, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::Okay that's good, also while you're here what do we do with the Scene 0 enemies? From what I got its a lot of enemies from other quests, but Im worried its gonna be almost too many of them. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::I guess the first step would be collating an actual list of the enemies used in Scene 0. Only then can we decide whether it seems like "too many". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:13, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I watched someone play the standard version and this is the list, but I'm pretty sure on Battler and Nightmare there are more unique enemies. Also they all have Aqua Forest and Light weaknesses. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::#Gertrud
::::::#Anthony
::::::#Adelbert
::::::#Ulla
::::::#Charlotte
::::::#Pyotr
::::::#H.N. Elly
::::::#Danniyel & Jennifer
::::::#Anja
::::::#Elsa Maria
::::::#Sebastian's
::::::#Bartels
::::::#Oktavia
::::::#Patricia
::::::#Roberta

== Ponta ==

Thank you! You totally anticipated what I was about to ask for with that gallery edit. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:26, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

==Full Photos==

May I ask where the recent Full photos came from? I really want to see if there's other ones, especially of ones I like :) I'm referring to these (Sayaka Kimono Full 2.png, Sayaka Kimono Full.png, Ren Christmas Full.png, Rika Christmas Full.png, Shizuka First Sunrise Full.png) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:The "Event Files" I mention in the upload summaries are specifically in [https://pi.rika.ren/magica/resource/image_native/effect/story/ this folder of the Magireco File Archive]. Sadly, there's not a lot of these full renders. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:: Thank you.. (╥﹏╥) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 06:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

== Templates category ==

Is there any actual point in [[:Category:Templates]]? If you need a list of all templates on the wiki, [[Special:AllPages]] is clearly better (no need to manually categorize them all). Other template categories are fine, but I don't see the point of that one. (Maybe there ''is'' a point I'm missing? I don't know.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
: Yeah its not ''that'' needed, but I do think it's a bit nicer than [[Special:AllPages]] just because of how Category pages look. I don't see it as redundant, just a tiny bit better alternative (Even if it is kinda annoying to categorize them manually). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:53, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

== Edit Summary ==

It would help a lot if you remembered to fill in the edit summary when you edit. We wouldn't have had to have the recent double revert if the original edi summary had explained why you removed that link, for example. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:33, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
:Yeah I sometimes just think its obvious enough what the edit is for, sorry. Then again please check what the edit actually did before reverting it, cause it was pretty obvious that it linked to the wrong image. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:02, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
::I did. The two images were similar enough that linking them was plausible, so it wasn't as obvious as you thought. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

== Inline Icon ==

It feels like your use of Inline Icon on the enemy info pages doesn't really fit. It's meant for embedding an icon into the flow of text, but that's not what you're doing there. Is there any reason you can't just drop the icon image in directly like <nowiki>[[Image.png|link=Magia Record Items]]</nowiki>? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
: Changed. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:01, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
: Oh yeah, does [[Magia Record Enemy - Symbol Witch Minion IV (Haunting Chairs)|Echo IV]] have any drop items? It seems like it should, but I cant find what it would be. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:07, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Sorry, I have no idea. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

== Progress Reports ==
I'm not good with css, or templates, but I was thinking if we could make a template similar to the progress report at the bottom of [[Timeline]]? I was thinking a way to just list the entries as integrated/finished and non-finished and then have the progress bar automatically update. Perhaps even only using parts of them in the articles they belong (like the Timeline for Null only has the progress report for Null) but Timeline has all of them (as well as additional lists for Retellings and Unknown Placement). I can make the lists and fill them in, but I wondered if it would be possible to make that asset as a template that can be edited, so that it can be universal across pages that use it. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:04, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:What exactly do you mean by "automatically update"? It's a bit vague, and sounds like it could be quite tricky. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:07, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:: I mean the progress bar automatically updates in accordance to what is finised and what is not finished. (Like if the finished list has three elements and the unfinished has two, the progress bar would automatically just calculate to 60%). To also explain the example with Null that I brought up: the template, when its used on pages, can just be edited to which parts are visible and which aren't. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:10, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

: I think maybe with [[Module:ArrayParameter]] it could be possible? To list something you would have to put it in a new parameter, and im pretty sure Array Parameter can count how many parameters there are (if done right obv). Then just do some math to show how much is done in %. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:11, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::So basically you're saying that completion percentage would be based on comparing a "target list" with a "completed list"? It sounds doable, but probably not easy, and likely requires a module to do properly. (Not [[Module:ArrayParameter]], but a dedicated module just for this purpose.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:15, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::: It works right now but is kinda annoying when trying to change not done stuff to done (cause you have to change a lot of numbers). I still dont think its worth its own module, but maybe theres some way to make it count the <code>*</code>s in a parameter and then calculate the progress bar with that? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:26, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

::: You can see my example at [[User:TheresaFrog421/Sandbox#Template]], its messy and looks bad but what counts is that it works. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:27, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:::: Okay I improved it to look like it does on [[Timeline]] (not 1:1 but thats not possible). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:13, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::::: Oh that's perfect! Can we make it so that it's usable for the files? Or at least for [[Timeline]]? I can then populate each entry for each timeline, as well as the Retellings and Unknown Placement like before. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 17:48, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:::::: What do you mean by "files"? The Wishlist? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:52, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

: I do think it's worth its own module. Then you could write it like this:
<pre>{{Progress
|done1=thing
|done2=thing
|notdone3=thing
|done4=thing
|done5=thing
|notdone6=thing
}}</pre>
: The key point there being that done and not done elements share the same numerical sequence, so marking something done is just a matter of deleting "not". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

:: That would already be nicer than the current setup but if the module could just count the amount of bulleted point items it would be even easier, it would look like this:
<pre>{{Progress
|done=
* Thing
* Thing
* Thing
|notdone=
* Thing
}}</pre>
:: I'm not sure just how much a module can actually do so.. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:57, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::It can do pretty much anything, so counting the *'s is certainly possible. I'm not too happy with that idea though. If it's expected to ''always'' be a straight bulleted list without any tree structures, then I think it makes more sense for those *'s to be in the template instead of in the page; whereas if there's any tree structures, or any situation where it wouldn't be a bulleted list, then counting the *'s gives the wrong answer. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:38, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::: I mean yeah but in both scenarios its a bulleted list, I dont really know what other lists it could be, at most one where #s are used, or a tree list, but in both scenarios those can be easily managed no? I mean the #s can be counted with the *s and for a tree structure, if a <code>:*</code> is used instead of <code>**</code>, it shouldn't change anything. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 02:14, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
::::: Still, with your method, the edit to mark something done will show as deleting it from "not done" and adding it to "done", whereas with my method it will show as "changing it from not done to done". It might not make much difference if only one or two are marked done, but if you mark several done all at once I think it would look messier with your method. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::: I think it all depends on how it will look on the page itself really, right now the done and not done are fully separated, which my idea would fit better. But if it looked like:

'''Madoka Magica'''
* Episode 1 (Done)
* Episode 2 (Done)
* Episode 3 (Not done)
* Episode 4 (Not done)
* Episode 5 (Done)
* Episode 6 (Not done)

::::::Then yeah your idea would fit better. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:00, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::Even then I think it would be better if the module just counted the ammount of "(Done)"s and "(Not done)"s. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:52, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

== Enemies ==

I added the enemy list for Please Yuna-san, but I ran into one issue. Sakuya, Ranka, Ao, and Hikaru appear as regular enemies in Waves 1–4 of the Hundred Evils Challenge stage, but they also appear as bosses in Wave 5. In this case, should they be split into separate Boss and non-Boss entries? - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 20:24, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
: Yeah then both should be listed. Also do you have a good source of what enemies appear in what events? I [[User:TheresaFrog421#Enemies to confirm|have a whole list of pages that have missing enemies]] and I predict it will only get bigger. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:28, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:: [https://magireco.moe/] should have information for most Challenge, EX Challenge, and Hundred Evils Challenge stages. However, the site is in Chinese, so it may take some time to translate the information. Also, it seems that the site is no longer being actively maintained, so it may be unstable and sometimes inaccessible. - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 20:49, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:: Also, it seems that the Magical Halloween Theater event was held in a PvP format at the time, so the event itself does not have any enemies. -[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 21:04, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

== Reverting Official But Wrong Translations ==

I can understand wanting to keep the "official" translations but when they're done poorly and incorrect more often than not, we probably want to keep better translations *somewhere*. In the case of Paola there's specifically items missing from the official translation present in the original JP text... that's kinda significant. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 21:59, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
:The nature is missing from the official translation right? Yeah its pretty significant, but I still prefer sticking to the official descriptions. I can get behind putting it in the trivia that the nature is missing from the english text, but outright replacing the official translation is wrong. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:04, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

== User reaching out ==

You like witches? I like witches. Let's talk witches? But where, and how? (excuse me if I mucked up the editing, its been many years.)
[[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]]) 23:08, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

:I don't really know what you mean, but I'm up for discussion ^^. And it would be best just here. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 11:58, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

What do you like most about the witches? Your profile implies you do, since a section asks for more witch content. I also wish more witch lore. Like for example how exactly familiars grow into witches, we are told little about it.
Or how much of the magical girl's soul is 'lost' when turning into a grief seed. It looks to me like the main personality is shed and only the subconscious ego remains as a witch.
You can check my profile for some of my old contributions [[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]])

I honestly like everything, but if I HAD to choose its probably the striking difference between a Magical Girl and a Witch, I mean Sayaka has only 3 colors in her outfit but Oktavia has so many, to me it feels like what the person looks if they werent bound by a human body. About the familiars, I wish we got more proof of familiars growing into Witches ''and being diffrent''. Im pretty sure Sarah Mirabilis W confirms that its been thought of, but other cases in Magia Record just reuse the original Witch's design and that's a bummer _ _". About the Magical Girls' Souls, honestly Ive thought about this too... I prefer to think that its still there, but maybe its permamently damaged/bound, in a way that doesn't let them move on? Like Homulilly, she forever tries to reach a guillotine but she never will, implying that she can't really evolve any further, that's what I mean by being "bound". This would also explain why a Witch cant turn back into a Magical Girl, because while Hope can transform into Despair, Despair cant turn into Hope. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:39, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

I doubt the soul is still whole. When we see Sayaka Soul gem turn grief seed, we see the outer shell breaks and the grief seed inside is already manifesting.
So the hypothesis is this. The impurities are coagulating into the grief seed and when it's too much to bear, the soul sheds parts of itself. The gem breaks, part of the girl's soul and very identity is gone.
Perhaps it's caught by Kyubey in the process and converted into energy. Perhaps it just dissipates. The witch is what remains. The witch is not the girl anymore. It's a remnant of who she was. Like a series of memories but incomplete. Like a fever dream or nightmare.
The evidence is how Oktavia still had a vague Sayaka shape, but it was melting. Homura is the outlier because her soul gem never broke, so she never went into a real witch.
If Hope can turn into Despair, Despair can also turn into hope. But Witches are different because of the soul being an actual thing that can be damaged and destroyed. Not so sure on doppels, but they break the rules anyways. [[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]]) 18:04, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

==Observations==
Please stop removing the observations for characters? I'm grateful you're working on the new info boxes but the observations of traits and analysis are important to analysis of the setting? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 20:37, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
: I just think they're quite useless, yeah they're analyses of behaviour, but a lot of it just seems like thoughts that just don't fit on a wiki, more fitting on a personal page. Plus a lot of stuff there would be better off in other sections, such as behaviour in the Personality section, and stuff about design in the Appearance section. I just don't like those sections for how much they feel like they don't fit into a wiki. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 08:18, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
:: Okay, sure, some of it is better fit for trivia... but that isn't what you're doing. It *is* scholarly analysis. traditional wikis do not do such a thing, but THIS WIKI has a decade plus history of doing so. As such.... Either leaving it, or labeling it similarly to how the Speculation blocks are done that "this isn't fact but is important." is important in my mind. Some of the items I would never have made the connections to otherwise. (For example: Quitterie); Not all of the items in Observations can uniformly be moved into Appearances or Personality. Please. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 15:53, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
::: I mean if you care about them that much, then I'm sure there are others too. I will bring them back, but I still plan on cutting some of the points out, like for Kazumi I dont think there's a point in keeping these:
:::* In Chapter 20, it is stated that Kazumi's cooking is good, just like Michiru, making them closer to their goal of bringing back their Michiru.
:::* Like [[Madoka Kaname|Madoka]], both are friendly, gentle and they want to be helpful to other people, and they were both initially average magical girls who died and became "special" as a result of their friends' actions.
:::That's the main reason I deleted them, but fine I'll bring them all back, then I'll start cutting down stuff I think is unnecesary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:05, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: That would be fine by me. Fluff observations can go, but scholarly, literary, or analytical comparisons, esp. if backed up by staff and/or interviews, should stay in my mind. Thank you. I'll work on some of them later if I have the time. Been very busy as of late... [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 16:15, 1 August 2026 (UTC)

== About the images used by the Magia Record Stats template ==

If I didn’t miss anything, I think I’ve finally renamed all of the Magia Record card images to the Card_(id)_c.png format. I also changed the Magia Record Stats template so that it generates the image filename directly from the ID, and fixed all the pages that were still linking to the old/wrong filenames... 😭

There is one small issue, though: Darc (Final)’s 5★ card image (Card_40285_c.png) is the version with the frame, while the frameless version comes from Magia Exedra and is currently uploaded as Card_40285_c (Exedra).png.

So I’m wondering which would be better: Keep a little flexibility in the template, so that if an image filename is specified manually, it uses that instead of generating one from the ID; or Just keep things simple and replace Card_40285_c.png with the frameless Exedra version?

Also, I noticed that in Magia Exedra’s Archive, Lil' Kyubey’s card image actually includes the character name. Should we consider switching to that version, or should we keep using the current version without the character name? -- [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 18:27, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

<gallery>
File:Card 40285 c.png|Magia Record version
File:Card 40285 c (Exedra).png|Magia Exedra (frameless) version
File:Card 10424 c.png|Lil' Kyubey (no character name)
</gallery>
:Thank you ^^, I think uploading the frameless version as the main one is the better option, and for Lil' Kyubey I think the Exedra versions could be better? I'm not sure though, as the nameless one would be more accurate to Record. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:32, 15 August 2026 (UTC)
::For Lil' Kyuubey I think it makes sense to keep both, as the nameless one is a better fit for the unit page, but the named one could be added to the Exedra gallery. No idea on Darc. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:48, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

:::Okay I uploaded the frameless Final Darc card as a new version of the old one, it should be fine to delete [[:File:Card 40285 c (Exedra).png]]? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:39, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: If the frameless version is going to replace Card_40285_c.png, then I think it should be fine to delete Card_40285_c (Exedra).png as well.
:::: Also, I noticed that Ashley's skill set differs quite a bit between the JP and NA servers. Should we consider creating a separate unit entry for the NA version of Ashley? For now, I've put the differences in her skill set on [[User:Hilbert88#Ashley|my user page]]. --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 17:29, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

::::: I'm worried that it would be annoying to separate them, a lot of things would just be repeated, like the Doppel description and Side Story, I mean I did want to change where they are placed on the wiki but right now they're on the unit pages so... Also separating the JP and NA means all the japanese wouldn't be on the NA page, and would that mean english shouldnt be on the JP page? I feel like it creates problems and we should try to fuse them instead (Im pretty sure Mami also has a tiny NA difference? I remember it from creating the unit pages) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:31, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

:::::: Looking at the differences, they seem to almost all be of the "rebalancing" category and not a fundamental difference in her powerset. (After all, Charm and Bewitch are the same thing, right?) I guess "Guaranteed Ignore Damage Cut" and "Blast MP Gain UP" are new, though. I think I'd prioritize showing the JP skill set, as it can be seen as an evolution from the NA skill set. Since neither game is still up and playable, it doesn't seem worth recording the differences in her NA stats as a separate unit page, though if you really want to do so, I don't mind. (But you could also just add the same table from your user page on the JP unit page.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:45, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

== Regarding Mobage/Online ==

I wonder, why do you think Exedra adapting Mobage/Online is so unlikely that they would be less likely than Null? Null is insanely weird and unusual for PMMM and the 3rd chapter especially is a complete mindfuck. Even I'm not 100% sure what's going on.

Just curious. I really liked reading through your user page.
:As weird as Null Magical Girl is, I think just because its recent it has a bigger chance. To be fair, both Null and Mobage haven't been referenced in any other media so they do kinda have the same chances, but still, I think just because Null is more recent, it has a bigger chance. ALSO another thing that kinda makes me believe Mobage won't ever see the light of day is that every single character design idea they used for the 4 Mobage girls has been reused I mean...
<gallery mode=nolines>
File:Mobage7060.jpg
File:Exedra Live2D 835930.png
File:Mobage7059.jpg
File:Umika PM.png
File:Mobage7058.jpg
File:Alexandra Website.png
File:Mobage7057.jpg
File:Meiyui PM.png
</gallery>

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 09:11, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
:So as much as I want to see them I believe its very unlikely T-T. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:21, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks!

I think that's ''kind of'' a stretch.

Sasa Yuuki isn't even from Record (from Oriko) and mostly just shares the fact that they have a Jester Theme. Alexandra is the only one I think actually looks like a reused design. Meiyui doesn't even use the same weapon.

---

Plus in Null, there's literally ''one'' actual Magical girl and it's not like her design is super great. https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Coeurl

Kyubey-Kosane doesn't really make sense as a unit unless they start adding non-magical girl units.

I guess Homo Magica, even though they are debatably magical girls? I kind of want to see them expanded on. Them interfering with the Lighthouse might be an interesting way to introduce them.

They screwed a lot with the time-stream/different universes in the source material.

---

But yeah in both cases, Exedra is unlikely to get to them until many more years into its life.

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 09:30, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

: You could maybe argue that Coeurl is not powered up in that shot, meaning we've never seen her magical girl outfit. (I don't remember if the novel contradicts this theory.) In any case, I wouldn't really like it if NMG was brought up in Exedra. It's just a bit too weird. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 06:01, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

Ironically I'm kind of the opposite and love it and want to see an expansion of the world (like hard sci-fi like this). But get it- it's divisive for a reason.

Crazy how it's ''technically'' the only spinoff since the end of Tart and the start of Record/Exedra.

== Question. ==

What's 2↑↑5? [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 00:24, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

: I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about??? T-T - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:36, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

:Bruh. This is Math. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 13:48, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

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== Kuro ==

Just letting you know, but くろ and 黒 are not their last names – both are different ways of writing "kuro" in Japanese, so it's just a difference in spelling. Do you still think it's worth including that information on [[Kuro|this page]]? (I'm not trying to say it's not worth it; I'm letting you decide.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 06:17, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
:Honestly yeah, I know there's the little description next to their name but if Magireco added the くろ and 黒 as a way of differentiating them, I don't see why the kuro page shouldn't, and it helps me identify them quicker. (Also i got the idea of it being a last name because of [[Kuro (くろ)|Kuro's (くろ)]] etymology section where it calls it that) --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:29, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
::I mean, sure, it is technically their last name. "Kuro" is presumed to be their surname, not their given name. But your phrasing seemed to imply you were thinking of "Kuro" as the first name and the Japanese characters as the surname, which is not the case. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:34, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

== Deletion requests ==

Please don't blank the page when requesting for it to be deleted. Just add the deletion requests category. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:27, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
:If you're talking about ''Magia Exedra Story Transcripts/Magia Record Main Story - Rumor of the Anonymous AI/Portrait Story'' then I wasn't the one who deleted the content, it was EPF (they created and edited the page so I can't blame them) I only added the deletion request category (I guess I can't prove it since the page is gone). The only proof are [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable & Mami's Heart-Pounding Tiro Finale Grief Seeds]] and [[Minor Oriko Witches]] still having their content (I "moved" them to [[Madoka Magica Grief Seeds]] and [[Oriko Magica Witches]] respectively) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:05, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

== Memory Windows ==

It seems you missed the Symbol Witch and the Mirror Witch? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
:Yeah I'm not the one who extracted them out of the files so I can't really find them on my own. I was hoping to get them through EPF's google drive but it seems like theyre not updating it currently so I got them from the Exedra wiki. They dont have the symbol, mirror and two forms of stagecraft window. I'm REALLY not good with any file extracting so I'm sorry that I can't look for them myself. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, that's fair. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

== Rumor of Walpurgisnacht ==

<blockquote>"I need help, I wanted to change the walpurgisnacht rumor to the eng dub one but I genuinely CANNOT hear what uwasasan is saying in some parts T_T"</blockquote>
Are you not using closed captions (cc)? It should help you. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 00:15, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
:The only ones I can use are the translated ones, when I want to upload the official english rumor. If you or anyone else has the real english cc it would help T_T. --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

== Gallery moves!? ==

Wait, why are all the gallery pages being moved? We already went to the trouble of making Gallery: be a proper namespace. What's the problem with having the galleries in their own namespace? Is there some reason why they absolutely have to be subpages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
:At first I saw Amaterasu doing it, and since I was changing [[Template:Navbox Anime Gallery]] I decided to just go with it and start moving them. Tbh I shouldn't bring Amaterasu into this but since they're way longer on this wiki and their changes were just left unquestioned I assumed everyone was okay with them, and I wanted to help ཀ ʖ̯ ཀ. I can still change them back even if it takes time but please while you're here delete the redirects I put in [[:Category:Deletion requests|deletion requests]], they're extremely unnecessary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:35, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
::The use of subpages is more efficient, in my view. It allows you to quickly link back to the main page, and I think it's better than simply using "Gallery:", since it also makes it clear that it isn't a new page, simply a part of the page. I probably didn't explain this well, I just woke up. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:42, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

:::Yeah, I agree with gallery subpages too. Another bonus is searchability - you have to preface everything with Gallery: if you wanna search for pages in that namespace, they don't appear otherwise. Which kinda sucks. However I'm also pretty sure we're using some cursed old search extension. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:16, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

::::Though, you could also argue that not appearing in searches is a ''good'' thing. Someone searching is more likely to want the article than the gallery. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:01, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

== CSS ==

Regarding [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Witch_Card&diff=next&oldid=193460 this edit]: I'm not sure what you were going for, but you misspelled "margin-top". It has a hyphen in it, not an underscore. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:27, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
:Tried checking it again and it still doesn't work, on some pages the name box appears on the same position as the witch display but on others (like [[Minor Magia Record Witches and Doppels]]) its a little bit lower, it might be some other part of the code though. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:32, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

== Tabbers ==

I noticed you're experimenting with the new <nowiki><tabber></nowiki> tag that was recently installed. Please be sure to watch out for pages that link to specific tabs, as the fragment (the part after <code>#</code>) completely changes with the new system. So, just changing a page to use the new tabs instead of the old potentially breaks links silently with no warning at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:25, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
:Okay, I'll check if the Iroha edit I made broke any links, for now Im focusing on making empty Exedra Event pages but I'll remember it - thanks! - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 04:28, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

== Star ==

Why are you changing the star? The memoria cards clearly use eight-pointed stars, not five-pointed stars. That's why I used an eight-pointed star in the category names. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]])
:On my laptop the star was a blank box (🟎) Idk if Safari doesnt understand that symbol but it just looked broken. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:01, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
:I checked and it just doesn't work on Safari, even if its made with html (🟎). Ive found ones that work, ✵ and ✴ (there are other eight-pointed stars but only these are rotated correctly), I prefer the first one. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:20, 13 August 2025 (UTC)
::So basically it's an issue of you don't have a font with that character. Of the two stars you found that ''do'' work though, I think the second is actually more suitable. The first is "eight-pointed pinwheel star", and it's not solid black unlike the other two. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:59, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

== Enemy elements ==

Do you have a specific order that you think the elements should be shown in for the "enemies" section on the memory window pages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:18, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:They appear in that order in the suggested element section before a fight and the fight itself. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:22, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::So you haven't really checked if the order is always the same then. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:24, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::I mean?? I never saw them appear in any other order, so I do just assume that it stays the same. If that's not the case then yeah it should be changed. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:29, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::I looked through them a bit. It looks like the game is always listing them in the same order that they appear in the upgrade/crystalis quest lists. At least, I didn't see any that contradicted that order. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:39, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::Okay that's good, also while you're here what do we do with the Scene 0 enemies? From what I got its a lot of enemies from other quests, but Im worried its gonna be almost too many of them. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::I guess the first step would be collating an actual list of the enemies used in Scene 0. Only then can we decide whether it seems like "too many". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:13, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::::::I watched someone play the standard version and this is the list, but I'm pretty sure on Battler and Nightmare there are more unique enemies. Also they all have Aqua Forest and Light weaknesses. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::#Gertrud
::::::#Anthony
::::::#Adelbert
::::::#Ulla
::::::#Charlotte
::::::#Pyotr
::::::#H.N. Elly
::::::#Danniyel & Jennifer
::::::#Anja
::::::#Elsa Maria
::::::#Sebastian's
::::::#Bartels
::::::#Oktavia
::::::#Patricia
::::::#Roberta

== Ponta ==

Thank you! You totally anticipated what I was about to ask for with that gallery edit. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:26, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

==Full Photos==

May I ask where the recent Full photos came from? I really want to see if there's other ones, especially of ones I like :) I'm referring to these (Sayaka Kimono Full 2.png, Sayaka Kimono Full.png, Ren Christmas Full.png, Rika Christmas Full.png, Shizuka First Sunrise Full.png) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:The "Event Files" I mention in the upload summaries are specifically in [https://pi.rika.ren/magica/resource/image_native/effect/story/ this folder of the Magireco File Archive]. Sadly, there's not a lot of these full renders. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:46, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
:: Thank you.. (╥﹏╥) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 06:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

== Templates category ==

Is there any actual point in [[:Category:Templates]]? If you need a list of all templates on the wiki, [[Special:AllPages]] is clearly better (no need to manually categorize them all). Other template categories are fine, but I don't see the point of that one. (Maybe there ''is'' a point I'm missing? I don't know.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:36, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
: Yeah its not ''that'' needed, but I do think it's a bit nicer than [[Special:AllPages]] just because of how Category pages look. I don't see it as redundant, just a tiny bit better alternative (Even if it is kinda annoying to categorize them manually). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:53, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

== Edit Summary ==

It would help a lot if you remembered to fill in the edit summary when you edit. We wouldn't have had to have the recent double revert if the original edi summary had explained why you removed that link, for example. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:33, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
:Yeah I sometimes just think its obvious enough what the edit is for, sorry. Then again please check what the edit actually did before reverting it, cause it was pretty obvious that it linked to the wrong image. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:02, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
::I did. The two images were similar enough that linking them was plausible, so it wasn't as obvious as you thought. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

== Inline Icon ==

It feels like your use of Inline Icon on the enemy info pages doesn't really fit. It's meant for embedding an icon into the flow of text, but that's not what you're doing there. Is there any reason you can't just drop the icon image in directly like <nowiki>[[Image.png|link=Magia Record Items]]</nowiki>? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
: Changed. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:01, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
: Oh yeah, does [[Magia Record Enemy - Symbol Witch Minion IV (Haunting Chairs)|Echo IV]] have any drop items? It seems like it should, but I cant find what it would be. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:07, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Sorry, I have no idea. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

== Progress Reports ==
I'm not good with css, or templates, but I was thinking if we could make a template similar to the progress report at the bottom of [[Timeline]]? I was thinking a way to just list the entries as integrated/finished and non-finished and then have the progress bar automatically update. Perhaps even only using parts of them in the articles they belong (like the Timeline for Null only has the progress report for Null) but Timeline has all of them (as well as additional lists for Retellings and Unknown Placement). I can make the lists and fill them in, but I wondered if it would be possible to make that asset as a template that can be edited, so that it can be universal across pages that use it. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:04, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:What exactly do you mean by "automatically update"? It's a bit vague, and sounds like it could be quite tricky. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:07, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:: I mean the progress bar automatically updates in accordance to what is finised and what is not finished. (Like if the finished list has three elements and the unfinished has two, the progress bar would automatically just calculate to 60%). To also explain the example with Null that I brought up: the template, when its used on pages, can just be edited to which parts are visible and which aren't. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:10, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

: I think maybe with [[Module:ArrayParameter]] it could be possible? To list something you would have to put it in a new parameter, and im pretty sure Array Parameter can count how many parameters there are (if done right obv). Then just do some math to show how much is done in %. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:11, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::So basically you're saying that completion percentage would be based on comparing a "target list" with a "completed list"? It sounds doable, but probably not easy, and likely requires a module to do properly. (Not [[Module:ArrayParameter]], but a dedicated module just for this purpose.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:15, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::: It works right now but is kinda annoying when trying to change not done stuff to done (cause you have to change a lot of numbers). I still dont think its worth its own module, but maybe theres some way to make it count the <code>*</code>s in a parameter and then calculate the progress bar with that? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:26, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

::: You can see my example at [[User:TheresaFrog421/Sandbox#Template]], its messy and looks bad but what counts is that it works. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:27, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:::: Okay I improved it to look like it does on [[Timeline]] (not 1:1 but thats not possible). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:13, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::::: Oh that's perfect! Can we make it so that it's usable for the files? Or at least for [[Timeline]]? I can then populate each entry for each timeline, as well as the Retellings and Unknown Placement like before. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 17:48, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

:::::: What do you mean by "files"? The Wishlist? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:52, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

: I do think it's worth its own module. Then you could write it like this:
<pre>{{Progress
|done1=thing
|done2=thing
|notdone3=thing
|done4=thing
|done5=thing
|notdone6=thing
}}</pre>
: The key point there being that done and not done elements share the same numerical sequence, so marking something done is just a matter of deleting "not". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

:: That would already be nicer than the current setup but if the module could just count the amount of bulleted point items it would be even easier, it would look like this:
<pre>{{Progress
|done=
* Thing
* Thing
* Thing
|notdone=
* Thing
}}</pre>
:: I'm not sure just how much a module can actually do so.. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:57, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::It can do pretty much anything, so counting the *'s is certainly possible. I'm not too happy with that idea though. If it's expected to ''always'' be a straight bulleted list without any tree structures, then I think it makes more sense for those *'s to be in the template instead of in the page; whereas if there's any tree structures, or any situation where it wouldn't be a bulleted list, then counting the *'s gives the wrong answer. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:38, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::: I mean yeah but in both scenarios its a bulleted list, I dont really know what other lists it could be, at most one where #s are used, or a tree list, but in both scenarios those can be easily managed no? I mean the #s can be counted with the *s and for a tree structure, if a <code>:*</code> is used instead of <code>**</code>, it shouldn't change anything. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 02:14, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
::::: Still, with your method, the edit to mark something done will show as deleting it from "not done" and adding it to "done", whereas with my method it will show as "changing it from not done to done". It might not make much difference if only one or two are marked done, but if you mark several done all at once I think it would look messier with your method. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:51, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::: I think it all depends on how it will look on the page itself really, right now the done and not done are fully separated, which my idea would fit better. But if it looked like:

'''Madoka Magica'''
* Episode 1 (Done)
* Episode 2 (Done)
* Episode 3 (Not done)
* Episode 4 (Not done)
* Episode 5 (Done)
* Episode 6 (Not done)

::::::Then yeah your idea would fit better. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:00, 4 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::Even then I think it would be better if the module just counted the ammount of "(Done)"s and "(Not done)"s. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:52, 4 July 2026 (UTC)

== Enemies ==

I added the enemy list for Please Yuna-san, but I ran into one issue. Sakuya, Ranka, Ao, and Hikaru appear as regular enemies in Waves 1–4 of the Hundred Evils Challenge stage, but they also appear as bosses in Wave 5. In this case, should they be split into separate Boss and non-Boss entries? - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 20:24, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
: Yeah then both should be listed. Also do you have a good source of what enemies appear in what events? I [[User:TheresaFrog421#Enemies to confirm|have a whole list of pages that have missing enemies]] and I predict it will only get bigger. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:28, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:: [https://magireco.moe/] should have information for most Challenge, EX Challenge, and Hundred Evils Challenge stages. However, the site is in Chinese, so it may take some time to translate the information. Also, it seems that the site is no longer being actively maintained, so it may be unstable and sometimes inaccessible. - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 20:49, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
:: Also, it seems that the Magical Halloween Theater event was held in a PvP format at the time, so the event itself does not have any enemies. -[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 21:04, 3 July 2026 (UTC)

== Reverting Official But Wrong Translations ==

I can understand wanting to keep the "official" translations but when they're done poorly and incorrect more often than not, we probably want to keep better translations *somewhere*. In the case of Paola there's specifically items missing from the official translation present in the original JP text... that's kinda significant. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 21:59, 16 July 2026 (UTC)
:The nature is missing from the official translation right? Yeah its pretty significant, but I still prefer sticking to the official descriptions. I can get behind putting it in the trivia that the nature is missing from the english text, but outright replacing the official translation is wrong. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:04, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

== User reaching out ==

You like witches? I like witches. Let's talk witches? But where, and how? (excuse me if I mucked up the editing, its been many years.)
[[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]]) 23:08, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

:I don't really know what you mean, but I'm up for discussion ^^. And it would be best just here. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 11:58, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

What do you like most about the witches? Your profile implies you do, since a section asks for more witch content. I also wish more witch lore. Like for example how exactly familiars grow into witches, we are told little about it.
Or how much of the magical girl's soul is 'lost' when turning into a grief seed. It looks to me like the main personality is shed and only the subconscious ego remains as a witch.
You can check my profile for some of my old contributions [[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]])

I honestly like everything, but if I HAD to choose its probably the striking difference between a Magical Girl and a Witch, I mean Sayaka has only 3 colors in her outfit but Oktavia has so many, to me it feels like what the person looks if they werent bound by a human body. About the familiars, I wish we got more proof of familiars growing into Witches ''and being diffrent''. Im pretty sure Sarah Mirabilis W confirms that its been thought of, but other cases in Magia Record just reuse the original Witch's design and that's a bummer _ _". About the Magical Girls' Souls, honestly Ive thought about this too... I prefer to think that its still there, but maybe its permamently damaged/bound, in a way that doesn't let them move on? Like Homulilly, she forever tries to reach a guillotine but she never will, implying that she can't really evolve any further, that's what I mean by being "bound". This would also explain why a Witch cant turn back into a Magical Girl, because while Hope can transform into Despair, Despair cant turn into Hope. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:39, 20 July 2026 (UTC)

I doubt the soul is still whole. When we see Sayaka Soul gem turn grief seed, we see the outer shell breaks and the grief seed inside is already manifesting.
So the hypothesis is this. The impurities are coagulating into the grief seed and when it's too much to bear, the soul sheds parts of itself. The gem breaks, part of the girl's soul and very identity is gone.
Perhaps it's caught by Kyubey in the process and converted into energy. Perhaps it just dissipates. The witch is what remains. The witch is not the girl anymore. It's a remnant of who she was. Like a series of memories but incomplete. Like a fever dream or nightmare.
The evidence is how Oktavia still had a vague Sayaka shape, but it was melting. Homura is the outlier because her soul gem never broke, so she never went into a real witch.
If Hope can turn into Despair, Despair can also turn into hope. But Witches are different because of the soul being an actual thing that can be damaged and destroyed. Not so sure on doppels, but they break the rules anyways. [[User:Miho Yamamura|Miho Yamamura]] ([[User talk:Miho Yamamura|talk]]) 18:04, 2 August 2026 (UTC)

==Observations==
Please stop removing the observations for characters? I'm grateful you're working on the new info boxes but the observations of traits and analysis are important to analysis of the setting? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 20:37, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
: I just think they're quite useless, yeah they're analyses of behaviour, but a lot of it just seems like thoughts that just don't fit on a wiki, more fitting on a personal page. Plus a lot of stuff there would be better off in other sections, such as behaviour in the Personality section, and stuff about design in the Appearance section. I just don't like those sections for how much they feel like they don't fit into a wiki. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 08:18, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
:: Okay, sure, some of it is better fit for trivia... but that isn't what you're doing. It *is* scholarly analysis. traditional wikis do not do such a thing, but THIS WIKI has a decade plus history of doing so. As such.... Either leaving it, or labeling it similarly to how the Speculation blocks are done that "this isn't fact but is important." is important in my mind. Some of the items I would never have made the connections to otherwise. (For example: Quitterie); Not all of the items in Observations can uniformly be moved into Appearances or Personality. Please. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 15:53, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
::: I mean if you care about them that much, then I'm sure there are others too. I will bring them back, but I still plan on cutting some of the points out, like for Kazumi I dont think there's a point in keeping these:
:::* In Chapter 20, it is stated that Kazumi's cooking is good, just like Michiru, making them closer to their goal of bringing back their Michiru.
:::* Like [[Madoka Kaname|Madoka]], both are friendly, gentle and they want to be helpful to other people, and they were both initially average magical girls who died and became "special" as a result of their friends' actions.
:::That's the main reason I deleted them, but fine I'll bring them all back, then I'll start cutting down stuff I think is unnecesary. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:05, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: That would be fine by me. Fluff observations can go, but scholarly, literary, or analytical comparisons, esp. if backed up by staff and/or interviews, should stay in my mind. Thank you. I'll work on some of them later if I have the time. Been very busy as of late... [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 16:15, 1 August 2026 (UTC)

== About the images used by the Magia Record Stats template ==

If I didn’t miss anything, I think I’ve finally renamed all of the Magia Record card images to the Card_(id)_c.png format. I also changed the Magia Record Stats template so that it generates the image filename directly from the ID, and fixed all the pages that were still linking to the old/wrong filenames... 😭

There is one small issue, though: Darc (Final)’s 5★ card image (Card_40285_c.png) is the version with the frame, while the frameless version comes from Magia Exedra and is currently uploaded as Card_40285_c (Exedra).png.

So I’m wondering which would be better: Keep a little flexibility in the template, so that if an image filename is specified manually, it uses that instead of generating one from the ID; or Just keep things simple and replace Card_40285_c.png with the frameless Exedra version?

Also, I noticed that in Magia Exedra’s Archive, Lil' Kyubey’s card image actually includes the character name. Should we consider switching to that version, or should we keep using the current version without the character name? -- [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 18:27, 15 August 2026 (UTC)

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File:Card 40285 c.png|Magia Record version
File:Card 40285 c (Exedra).png|Magia Exedra (frameless) version
File:Card 10424 c.png|Lil' Kyubey (no character name)
</gallery>
:Thank you ^^, I think uploading the frameless version as the main one is the better option, and for Lil' Kyubey I think the Exedra versions could be better? I'm not sure though, as the nameless one would be more accurate to Record. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:32, 15 August 2026 (UTC)
::For Lil' Kyuubey I think it makes sense to keep both, as the nameless one is a better fit for the unit page, but the named one could be added to the Exedra gallery. No idea on Darc. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:48, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

:::Okay I uploaded the frameless Final Darc card as a new version of the old one, it should be fine to delete [[:File:Card 40285 c (Exedra).png]]? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:39, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: If the frameless version is going to replace Card_40285_c.png, then I think it should be fine to delete Card_40285_c (Exedra).png as well.
:::: Also, I noticed that Ashley's skill set differs quite a bit between the JP and NA servers. Should we consider creating a separate unit entry for the NA version of Ashley? For now, I've put the differences in her skill set on [[User:Hilbert88#Ashley|my user page]]. --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 17:29, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

::::: I'm worried that it would be annoying to separate them, a lot of things would just be repeated, like the Doppel description and Side Story, I mean I did want to change where they are placed on the wiki but right now they're on the unit pages so... Also separating the JP and NA means all the japanese wouldn't be on the NA page, and would that mean english shouldnt be on the JP page? I feel like it creates problems and we should try to fuse them instead (Im pretty sure Mami also has a tiny NA difference? I remember it from creating the unit pages) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:31, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

:::::: Looking at the differences, they seem to almost all be of the "rebalancing" category and not a fundamental difference in her powerset. (After all, Charm and Bewitch are the same thing, right?) I guess "Guaranteed Ignore Damage Cut" and "Blast MP Gain UP" are new, though. I think I'd prioritize showing the JP skill set, as it can be seen as an evolution from the NA skill set. Since neither game is still up and playable, it doesn't seem worth recording the differences in her NA stats as a separate unit page, though if you really want to do so, I don't mind. (But you could also just add the same table from your user page on the JP unit page.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:45, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

== Regarding Mobage/Online ==

I wonder, why do you think Exedra adapting Mobage/Online is so unlikely that they would be less likely than Null? Null is insanely weird and unusual for PMMM and the 3rd chapter especially is a complete mindfuck. Even I'm not 100% sure what's going on.

Just curious. I really liked reading through your user page.
:As weird as Null Magical Girl is, I think just because its recent it has a bigger chance. To be fair, both Null and Mobage haven't been referenced in any other media so they do kinda have the same chances, but still, I think just because Null is more recent, it has a bigger chance. ALSO another thing that kinda makes me believe Mobage won't ever see the light of day is that every single character design idea they used for the 4 Mobage girls has been reused I mean...
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File:Mobage7060.jpg
File:Exedra Live2D 835930.png
File:Mobage7059.jpg
File:Umika PM.png
File:Mobage7058.jpg
File:Alexandra Website.png
File:Mobage7057.jpg
File:Meiyui PM.png
</gallery>

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 09:11, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
:So as much as I want to see them I believe its very unlikely T-T. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:21, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks!

I think that's ''kind of'' a stretch.

Sasa Yuuki isn't even from Record (from Oriko) and mostly just shares the fact that they have a Jester Theme. Alexandra is the only one I think actually looks like a reused design. Meiyui doesn't even use the same weapon.

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Plus in Null, there's literally ''one'' actual Magical girl and it's not like her design is super great. https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Coeurl

Kyubey-Kosane doesn't really make sense as a unit unless they start adding non-magical girl units.

I guess Homo Magica, even though they are debatably magical girls? I kind of want to see them expanded on. Them interfering with the Lighthouse might be an interesting way to introduce them.

They screwed a lot with the time-stream/different universes in the source material.

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But yeah in both cases, Exedra is unlikely to get to them until many more years into its life.

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 09:30, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

: You could maybe argue that Coeurl is not powered up in that shot, meaning we've never seen her magical girl outfit. (I don't remember if the novel contradicts this theory.) In any case, I wouldn't really like it if NMG was brought up in Exedra. It's just a bit too weird. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 06:01, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

Ironically I'm kind of the opposite and love it and want to see an expansion of the world (like hard sci-fi like this). But get it- it's divisive for a reason.

Crazy how it's ''technically'' the only spinoff since the end of Tart and the start of Record/Exedra.

== Question. ==

What's 2↑↑5? The answer needs to be in Scientific Notation. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 00:24, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

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