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Talk:Puella Magi Sorana Magica (Our Fates, Our Futures)

2026-10-01T20:26:07Z

Celtic Minstrel: /* Logo */

t==Logo==
The logo looks terribad on the wiki due to all that white on Light Mode, but it's not ''all-white'' so we probably shouldn't do the usual color-invert trick... Any ideas? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:02, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
:Did a quick workaround. Probably not the best way to do this, but I think it's at least better than white on white... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:03, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
<div style='float:right; clear:right; padding:5px; position:relative;'><div style='position:absolute; filter:brightness(0); left:6px; top:6px; z-index:1; pointer-events: none;'>[[File:Logo_sorana.webp|450px|link=]]</div><div style='position:relative; z-index:2;'>[[File:Logo_sorana.webp|450px]]</div></div>
::Maybe making the image drop a shadow? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:40, 1 October 2026 (UTC)
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:::That works, imo! [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:07, 1 October 2026 (UTC)
:::This is really cool. Let me see if there's a way to do this in CSS only. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 17:21, 1 October 2026 (UTC)
::::OK, I've applied this idea to [[Template:Raised_bg]]. Not sure which one is better (glow vs hard shadow). I think hard shadow (the one proposed by [[User:TheresaFrog421]]) is a lot cooler, but glow is a bit more natural. I don't have strong opinion for either. Feel free to change to <code>mode=shadow</code>. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:23, 1 October 2026 (UTC)
::::: Look at [[Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story Crescent Memoria]], the tiny text is unreadable with the glow shadow, maybe hard shadow should be the norm? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:54, 1 October 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Grr, I didn't realized Exedra loves white text on white background this much. Hard shadow is now the default. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 19:10, 1 October 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Technically it's not white text on white background. It's white text with a ''transparent'' background, and in Exedra, the background happens to be dark where it's used. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:26, 1 October 2026 (UTC)

==Wish==
In o3Qk1YFabD8, someone starts saying what her wish is without finishing, but I'm kinda bad at telling voices apart... Does that sound like Sorana? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 18:20, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Magia Record Units

2026-09-30T18:51:02Z

Celtic Minstrel: /* Thumb */

I think it's done. I separated some units by types of holiday/event they were released on (like Christmas and Halloween). I think we should do this to Kiokus too, idk I like it T-T. I have some questions though? Do the Everlasting Darkness forms count as Halloween units? they were released in October and no other halloween themed units came out that year. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:19, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
:I think they ''could'' count, yes, but I'm not really sure... wasn't that actually a romance-themed event? Or am I confusing it with another one? (Thinking of the event that introduced Harumi Shioya.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:09, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
::Can I change all the icons here to not have the frames? I don't mind them as much on the characters page, but here they really annoy me T-T. I could also just upload them as separate images and keep the framed ones on Magia Record Characters, while units gets the ones without frames. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
:::Could you upload the blank frames as separate images, with transparent centre? Then we can overlay them for the characters page and leave them out for the units page. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:08, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
:::: I should be able to get the frames by just copying one corner and repeating it? The better way would be to ask either [[User:Sondenise]] or [[User:The Witch's House]], cause from when I was changing the unit only icons, I saw that they were the ones who were adding the frames. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:18, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
::::: No, if you look closely, the frame has edges all the way around. So, what you'd need to do (if Sondenise or The Witch's House don't step up with the originals) would be to pick an icon that touches the frame as little as possible and carefully cut out everything except the frame, possibly even pixel by pixel for the diagonal parts. (Also, don't forget that there are 3 or 4 variants of the frame in different colours.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:21, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Okay I did it. I'm sure if you zoom into the pink one you'll see pixels that look weird, but theyre not THAT visible... Also they are different sizes, the gold and white one are the same but the pink one is bigger. I think it still would be good if someone who has the original images would upload them as new versions of these - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:55, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
<gallery>
File:Magireco Frame Gold.png|Used for original characters
File:Magireco Frame Pink.png|Used for characters from other media
File:Magireco Frame White.png|Used for crossover characters
</gallery>
:::::: I changed all the icons to not have the frames. When you make the frame overlay in a template (I suggest just doing on the simple character cell), make sure to make it so that the frame doesn't show up on [[Characters]], as there is no point in separating the characters when only original characters will show up anyway. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:55, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Rather than not showing the frames on [[Characters]], I'd say we should make the other character pages also use the new frame system I added to the template. In fact, some of them already do – baked in like the Magireco ones were, but still. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 03:47, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: I was about to protest, but lowkey this isn't that bad of an idea. But it would need a lot of changes to make it work. First of all, ALL character pages should ONLY use icons, I've changed a lot of them to use icons some time ago, but this would include even the mobage characters and the suzune characters. Then (imo) we should change from "Simple Character Cell" to just "Character Cell", just because this is no longer simple T-T (Same goes for Witch character cell, where imo it should just be "Monster", but... I don't see anything wrong with just fusing both and making the familiars row either use ''description'' or just have a parameter that only they should use, as really that's the only different thing about Witch Character Cell). We would also need more frames, atleast for Witches Uwasa and Kimochi. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 08:46, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

I also tried extracting the frames used for Oriko and Tart Magica characters on their respective pages. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:20, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
<gallery>
File:Orimagi-Frame.png
File:Tartmagi-Frame.png
</gallery>

:I forgot about these, now that I think about it, should we have unique frames for every type of media? In my opinion its a good idea, but we'd need someone who can draw them. This would immediately defeat the need of the pink one, as the characters that are from other media would already have their original frames. There are a lot of issues though, like would Witches just use those too, or have separate versions? I imagine they would be based off the media's logo. If we go through with this, I think we should split them like this:
#Madoka Magica
##Rebellion
##Walpurgisnacht Rising
##Mobage (I dont think it has a unique logo though?)
#Oriko Magica
##Sadness Prayer (optional, and I'd rather not separate them)
#Kazumi Magica
#Tart Magica
#Suzune Magica
#Magia Record
##Arc 2 (optional)
##Puella Historia (optional, and I don't think it has a unique logo)
##Scene 0
#Null Magical Girl
#Magia Exedra
##Crescent Memoria
I think this could come out nicely, but it would require someone to draw a lot, I could try but I don't trust myself enough tbh. Also take a look at my [[User:TheresaFrog421/Sandbox|Sandbox Page]], I have an example of what I said last time. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:41, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
:: Your outline is definitely way over the top. It's absolutely not worth separating out Scene 0 for example, since that's just 4 new characters. Similarly, Rebellion only adds one new character. So, I wouldn't do any of the subcategories you mentioned except maaaybe Puella Historia (but even then, it's probably easier not to). This would mean we'd only need to create 4 more frames:
::# Madoka Magica
::#* Since NMG is tiny and barely adds any new characters, I think we might as well just use the same frame for it too.
::# Kazumi Magica
::# Suzune Magica
::# Magia Exedra
::#* For now, only the Crescent Memoria characters fit
::#* I think I'd base this one on the Magia Record frames, as it could allow us to just reuse those frames for characters in Magia Exedra that aren't original to it
::Another side note: the frame currently used for Oriko Magica would probably be more appropriate for Tart Magica, since it has the fleur-de-lis symbol in the corners. As for witches and other beings – the frames you already made are probably fine for Magia Record, and we can do something similar for the others. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:08, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

::: In my opinion even the current icons have to be changed, the current Magia Record one looks like its just based off a soul gem, and while I think it fits if we used it everywhere, nothing about it gives off Magia Record. And like you said, the Oriko one has the fleur-de-lis symbol, which doesn't make sense for Oriko Magica at all??? At most the Tart Magica one seems okay, but again nothing about it really says Tart Magica. I still think NMG and Scene 0 deserve frames, but its dependant on how hard to make they are, cause if they are, then yeah we should probably just skip them. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:15, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

:::: I was just saying hat NMG and Scene 0 don't need ''unique'' frames. They can use the same frames as Madoka Magica and Magia Record, respectively. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:17, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

::::: I mean yeah I don't see anything wrong with Scene 0 characters using Magireco frames, but NMG characters using Madomagi frames still would feel wrong. Also... I tried designing a Magireco frame (Its uploaded on the wiki), and I don't really like it. Imo its way too vibrant, even if I think it's a good representation of the logo. I have no idea how to properly design them I fear T-T, like should I follow a basic template and just add little decorations? Should I make them all as unique as possible? And what colors to use (cause the Record one uses the logo's colors and its still too vibrant). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

::::: I'm making icons for characters and found this image [[:File:Tart3characters.jpg]], so the Tart frames aren't fanmade, just noting it here. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

::::: Now I found another thing - the fluer de lis on the Oriko frames is a symbol that appears on the Sadness Prayer covers, for ex: [[:File:Oriko sadness prayer cover.jpg]]. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:39, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Oh, so I guess there actually was a good reason for someone to use it for the Oriko Magica frame. Interesting. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:25, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
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Returning to the earlier discussion regarding unit categorization:In my opinion, the Everlasting Darkness versions should not be classified as Halloween units. The primary reason is that the ED forms are integral to the Main Story, unlike seasonal variants which are typically self-contained event stories. If we were to categorize units strictly based on their release dates, it would lead to several logical inconsistencies. For instance, Kyoko (Doppel) would be labeled a Valentine’s unit, and all Uwasa units would be split into various seasonal categories simply because of when they were added to the game, regardless of their actual character concept. Regarding other seasonal categories, I believe Yachiyo (Tanabata) and Kagome (Demon Parade) should be classified as Summer units because their story themes are inherently tied to summer. If the current "Summer" category is intended to only include swimsuit variants, it might be more accurate to rename the category to "Swimsuit units" instead.

Additionally, I’ve noticed that the Unit pages and Character pages (including those for Magia Exedra) currently have inconsistent standards for classifying content under "Main Story" vs. "Side Story." Should we aim to unify these classification systems across all related pages to ensure better consistency? - [[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 13:54, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

:I moved the two to summer units, as separating swimsuit units from summer units is like separating [Vampire Kanagi] and [Vampire Yuna & Juri] from Halloween. Also do Fairytale Yachiyo and Fairytale Mifuyu count as christmas units?

:About the Main Story thing, the Units page and Kiokus page have it like that because of IDs. I remember the Magireco characters being moved a lot before, because of things like Asuka not being as important as the other girls, same for Karin, and characters like Sakurako being considered "side story" by the IDs. So the Character pages are way more subjective, while the unit page follows the IDs. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:05, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

:: Holy Alina and Holy Mami both appeared in MS while being super evidently Christmas units. And Everlasting Darkness units were released with a Halloween event: https://magireco.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Halloween_is_The_Color_of_Love!%3F_~Connect:_The_East-West_Frontline_of_Love!~ https://magireco.fandom.com/wiki/Halloween_Magical_Girls_(2022)_Paid_Limited_Step-up_Gacha Fairytale ver. units are also Christmas https://magireco.fandom.com/wiki/Christmas_Magical_Girls_(2022)_Paid_Limited_Step-up_Gacha [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 08:33, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

:::What exactly about the two Holy units is Christmas themed? If I think about it I can probably acknowledge that there seems to be some influence, but no way would I say that it's "super obvious", and I wouldn't consider them Christmas units even with that influence – because their role in the main story (and Alina's side story IIRC) is not Christmas-like at all. (I am aware that Holy Alina ''was'' featured in an actual Christmas event, but that's more of a minor side story, not the main focus of the unit.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:31, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

::::If we look at the timeline, Holy Mami and Holy Alina actually debuted in the first two years' Christmas events (Christmas at Mikazuki Villa and Alina Is Coming to Town ~White Christmas Rhapsody~) before they ever appeared in the Main Story. However, their roles in the Main Story are arguably far more significant than their roles in those seasonal event stories. The same logic applies to the Everlasting Darkness versions of Kanagi and Mitama. Their primary significance comes from the Main Story Arc 2, where they are influenced by the Kimochi. Even though they were released during a Halloween event, their importance in the overarching plot far outweighs that seasonal association.
::::Therefore, it seems contradictory to categorize the ED forms as "Halloween units" based on their release date, while not applying the same standard to Holy Mami, Holy Alina, or even Uwasa Mikoto (who was also released during a Christmas event). -[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 19:23, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

:::::I'm starting to lean into putting the Holy units into christmas honestly. I mean [https://magireco.fandom.com/wiki/Valentine%27s_Magical_Girls_(2022-2023)_Paid_Limited_Step-up_Gacha this banner] calls Doppel Kyoko a Valentine Magical Girl, yet her form has nothing to do with Valentines really. The thing is - this is just a units page, it's focused way more on game info than on story relevance, that's why I think it's okay to have separate "main characters" on the characters vs units page. I mean [https://magireco.fandom.com/wiki/Christmas_Magical_Girls_(2017-2018)_Pickup_Gacha this banner] just screams it at you. I'm still not sure about Uwasa Mikoto though. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:56, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

:::::I'd lean towards plot relevance taking priority, for the most part. But, I suppose if it's only the units page, I could accept them being classified as Christmas units. (I'm actually curious now what point the main story has reached at the time of the first Christmas event…) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:44, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

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Why are we doing those frames...? I don't think they were ever officially used? Are they reallllllllllllly necessary? They kinda look bad for the Null Mahou Shoujo character list. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 08:33, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

:On that page specifically I think they look good, since they fit into the orange coloration of the manga, but that's not the point- We're planning on getting new frames, different for each media, so the current ones are temporary. If you think they just shouldn't be shown until we have the new ones made, we can just hide them on the template page. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 08:48, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

== Side Stories ==

I don't plan on doing this right now, but I wanna add enemies to these pages so that the enemy pages have listed in which Magical Girl quests they appear in, but that would only clutter up the pages more. My idea is to create subpages of the unit pages like: <code>Magia Record Unit - Iroha Tamaki/Story</code>, that would keep the unit's side story and costume stories. The unit pages would just look for it with a template, and link to it. Two more things- I'll probably make the unit pages list ''all'' unique memoria as while most have just 1 some have more and Iroha has 6 T_T. And the other thing is that they shouldn't be created until all the pages get moved to different names (<code>Magia Record Units/Iroha Tamaki</code> -> <code>Magia Record Unit - Iroha Tamaki</code>). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:14, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

== Thumb ==

I want to convert this page to use the Character section templates just like the Kiokus, so I wanted to create a unique thumb for them that changes their icon to the star you hover over ([[User:TheresaFrog421/Sandbox#Magireco Unit Testing|see here on my sandbox page]]). I really like it but the css feels like kinda too much (all on [[User:TheresaFrog421/Sandbox.css|here]]), could somebody try to simplify it? Should I abandon the idea? Or is the current css okay to use? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:25, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

: Dunno about the complicated-ness of the CSS, but it looks super cool. I just wonder though, what is it like on mobile? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:46, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

:: There's no real difference on mobile, at most it could be harder to click on the stars (though on citizen mobile its easy). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:56, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

: This is truly amazing (please go with current CSS, it looks fine to me!). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 17:57, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

::Why did [[Template:Character section]] just turn into a link? Is there too much in it or did I mess something up. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 23:07, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

:::Okay it has [[:Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded]], so would separating it into two character sections fix it? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 23:09, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

::::It still breaks... Idk what to do pls help T^T. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 23:12, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

Okay I deleted the star slider or whatever to call it so that the template doesnt have to render so much on this page, but that does mean the best feature about it is gone... The only way to bring it back is making the code of the template way smaller, but right now I can't think of a way without rendering every rarity icon+frame (Theyre just set to display: none; usually, but I dont think that helps much as it still overloaded the page). Please help _ _". - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:00, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

: Wait, what? It was all working perfectly for me before you deleted that though… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:38, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

:: If you mean the template itself, then yeah it wasn't broken. What broke was [[Magia Record Units]], as it had way too much rendered stuff, and the templates just turned into links instead of actually working (not that the code on the page was too much, but when the code got rendered it was too big, it also got [[:Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded]]). That's why the template needs a remake that makes it smaller but still functional, because we shouldnt really split this page into subpages. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:00, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

::: No, I don't mean the template itself. I mean this page (Magia Record Units) was working fine for me without any issues. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:50, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

::: Oh sorry didn't noticed this. I think this is the rare case where turning [[Template:Character section]] into <code>/Header</code> and <code>/Footer</code> would help. For the time being, I've bumped max template size to 4096. It should render now (if it doesn't exceed 4MB) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:12, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

:::: I don't think it would really help? The problem is how much is rendered on the page, so if we separate it the sub templates will break down instead, I guess its okay to try it out though. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:16, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

::::: I think 4MB should be plenty, let me try to find a way to optimize this later. (Also I just noticed it's not a transclusion limit but article limit, yeah, I think trying to optimize this is the only way to go...) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:21, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Magical Girl

2026-09-30T18:48:46Z

Celtic Minstrel: /* Weapon WIP */

Is this file relevant to Rising's section of this article? [[:File:Rising_Trailer_2026-09-12_Frame_1126.png]] [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 20:12, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
:It shares the same bell housing but this one does not seem to have a {{spoiler|Core}}. I think the only promotional material that show it is the {{Spoiler|[https://x.com/madoka_magica/status/2098426841635664322 Wasu key visual]}} (though in the show, the bell itself resembles the above screenshot) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 02:20, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
::I've re-verified this and Magical Girls' bell look a bit different from those who are not Magical Girls (it looks like {{Spoiler|Wasu's KV}} one in color and shape in the movie but not as big). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:14, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
:::What about this screenshot? [[:File:PV0912 Bell Core.png]] (I named it assuming that it is) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 11:55, 24 September 2026 (UTC)
::::It is, nice find! - [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:20, 24 September 2026 (UTC)

== Nesting sections? ==

Shall we nest the section a bit? Right now it looks weird that Witch Era/etc. sits next to Soul Gem and powers, perhaps we should do:
*(h2)Power and Ability
*(h2)(some section name)
**Soul Gem
**Weapon
*(h2)(some section name)
**Ancient Era
**Witch Era
**Homo magica Era
I think this would help making the article a bit easier to scan through. Also, shall we nest Soul Gem/Weapon under each era? As far as I understand, Ancient Era uses different Gem/weapons, but then it's the only diff we know right now(?) so it might not worth nesting Soul Gem/Weapon... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:08, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
: If the Ancient Era uses different weapons, it could easily just be stated in that section (like "In the Ancient Era {{Spoiler|before Witches}}, Magical Girls smth smth"), but for Soul Gems its more tricky ig... It depends on how the Ancient Era Cores work, maybe we could just have a "Soul" h2 section, where it would include Soul Gems, the Cores and both of their Connection with the bodies. About the eras, I kinda wish they were h2 sections cause that just looks better, but yeah I think it would make sense for them to be nested... maybe under a "Mechanics" section? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:17, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
:: I think Souls/Mechanics sound very good to me! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:22, 18 September 2026 (UTC)

==Weapon WIP==
I wrote up something for the Weapons section, but:

1) I dunno a good way to cite specific weapons in the first paragraph,

2) There's a bunch of stuff I can't quite be sure if I remember correctly, and that I dunno if I know the origin of,

3) Some of these things I'm not quite sure if they should be in the Weapons section,

4) The linebreaks feel lowkey awkward

I don't wanna put uncited misinfo on the main page, so any help? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:55, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

:I think the last part is unnecessary, as its not talking about the actual magical weapons, just ways that Magical Girls attack. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:10, 30 September 2026 (UTC)
::In paragraph 3, Lapine might also serve as a viable example? Not completely sure though. Regarding paragraph 5, this probably comes up in Green Jasper Diviners, but I don't recall the conclusion. Of course, it probably comes up in Tart Magica too. I think those are the only two places where normal people fight against witches. Also, "other magical beings" in that sentence doesn't include magical girls, I think – they can be hurt by ordinary weapons just fine. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:48, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

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Magical Girls can summon weapons, both when they are transformed and when they are not<ref name='madomagi8'>Shown in [[Madoka Magica Episode 8: I Was Stupid… So Stupid]]</ref>. The weapons vary greatly from Magical Girl to Magical Girl, and have included items common in other magical girl series, such as staves<ref group="verify">Kaede</ref>, items that normally function as weapons, such as swords<ref name='madomagi4'>Shown in [[Madoka Magica Episode 4: Miracles and Magic Are Real]]</ref> or guns<ref group="verify">Aimi</ref>, defensive items such as shields<ref group="verify">Homura, Sana</ref>, or even items that seemingly have nothing to do with combat, such as folding fans<ref group="verify">Tsuruno</ref> or harps<ref group="verify">Hiyori</ref>.

Certain Magical Girls have displayed the ability to adapt their own summonable weapons, such as Mami Tomoe who learnt how to make muskets out of her original weapon, ribbons<ref group="verify">It was said in some artbook, right? Or one of the old non-social games?</ref>.

Some magical beings are capable of disabling a Magical Girl's ability to summon and use her weapon<ref name='wraith4'>Shown in [[Wraith Arc: Chapter 4]]</ref>, and of changing her weapon to something else without requiring the Magical Girl's permission<ref group="verify">MagiReco, one of the coordination-based alts... Swimsuit Kyoko?</ref>

Magical Girls are capable of enhancing non-magical weapons, allowing themselves<ref group="verify">Homura's guns... They're enhanced, right?</ref>, other Magical Girls<ref group="verify">Pernelle -> Tart with Epee de Clovis? It originally was a non-magical weapon, right?</ref>, and even people who aren't Magical Girls themselves<ref name='madomagi2'>Shown in [[Madoka Magica Episode 2: That Would Be Truly Wonderful]]</ref>.

A weapon must be magical in some way to be effective against other magical beings<ref group="verify">That was a popular theory regarding Homura, but I can't remember if it's true... Also Asahi Miura has scars from non-magical weapons?</ref>, though some sufficiently strong manmade weapons have been shown to deal damage to Witches<ref group="verify">Homura; Girls in the Hood, Jun kills a Witch with a homemade bomb to prove to Mitsune she doesn't have to become a Magical Girl</ref>.

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Talk:Magia Record Units

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'''My laptop took a shit so I'll be mostly out of commission for a bit.'''

== Section Titles ==

When editing pages, please try to avoid changing section titles as much as possible, as that could very easily break links without any visible evidence until someone tries to follow them. If you absolutely must change a section title (and there will definitely be times when it's necessary), please be sure to use the What Links Here tool to find every link to the parent page and, if it happens to link to the renamed subtitle, update the link. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

: Oh, my bad. Sorry, I'll avoid it in the future. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

:: Avoiding it is good, but as said, it's not like you should ''never'' do it. Just be sure to take the proper additional steps if you feel a rename is really necessary. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

::: You did it again. Please either revert the section title changes on [[Minor Uwasa]] or use [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Minor Uwasa]] to find the links and redirects you broke and fix them. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:01, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:::: Sorry. Fixed them. They should all be good now. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 19:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Stubs ==

Can you please stop adding stubs where you plan to add content in the future? Like in [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Timeline_%28Historical%29&diff=171768&oldid=171765 this sequence of edits] for example, or anything that uses "TBD" or similar terminology. The content should be added at the same time as the relevant headers. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:24, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
: Understood, I'll write it in a text fle and copy paste it when it's ready.[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

== MagiReco Game Timeline ==

It looks like you're being a bit too ambitious. I suggest limiting the content on the Timelines page to ''only'' the main arc – no event stories (unless they're super important to the main plot, maaaybe?), no Magical Girl stories, no costume stories, not even Another Story (maaaybe the briefest mention if relevant to the main arc). I'm not sure if Mirror Story is important enough to go on that page.

That doesn't mean the other content shouldn't be summarized though – feel free to finish what I started on the [[Magia Record Timeline]] page and also slot in all the other content there. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 03:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

: Oh god, thank you. I was scared of having to mention all of them. If anything, I think I'll mention where the smaller events that don't matter take place. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:27, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Timelines]] ==

I don't want to stomp on all your hard work, but I think the level of detail on that page is getting waaay past what it really needs to be.

To be clear, I think it's good to have this level of detail, but not on this page – there could be dedicated pages for each Magia Record arc, for example (actually, those pages [[Magia Record Main Story Arc 1|already]] [[Magia Record Main Story Arc 2|exist]] but have only the list of chapters – that could be expanded).

The level of detail for main timelines 1 and 2 seems about right to me. Some could have more detail, but not ''too'' much more. In particular, the Magia Record section is probably at least 10 times larger than it needs to be. There should probably be no more than a sentence or two for each chapter or event, maybe up to around 10 sentences if it's especially complicated (like Arc 1 Chapter 10), with a link to the full chapter summary on another page.

There was also a whole section that doesn't belong at all, which I deleted with the intent of moving it where it belongs (to [[Timeline (Historical)]]), but I only got through the first two sections. Just to make things easy in case you want to finish migrating it to the historical page, I've pasted the whole section below (though you could always retrieve it from the page history). (Note: There ''could'' still be a Pre-Arc 1 section on [[Timelines]], but it would cover backstory, like the "N years ago" sections on [[Magia Record Timeline]] squashed down into an even smaller space.)

Anyway, my main point is that this should page should serve as firstly a brief summary, an overview of the franchise, and secondly as a view of how all the little pieces (events, Magical Girl stories, backstory details, whatever you think is important enough) fit together.

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* '''The Distant Past:'''
** [[Infinite Iroha]], Ui, Touka, Nemu, Lil' Kyubey and Sakurako travel from the future and make records of the magical girls of the past.
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia Pillar of Tomorrow|Pillar of Tomorrow]]:''' Yachiyo travels from the future to provide hope to all magical girls of the past, including the girl who would become 10<sup>-43</sup>, presumably around 2000 BCE.

* '''31 BCE - 30 BCE:'''
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia The Mirage of Alexandria Arc|The Mirage of Alexandria]]:'''
*** '''Part 1, July of 31 BCE:''' The Tokime Tribe travels to ancient Egypt during Cleopatra VII's reign to investigate her potential connection to magical girls. Upon arrival in Alexandria, they detect a mysterious aura around Cleopatra and decide to infiltrate her palace. They encounter Ebony, a magical girl loyal to Cleopatra, but Shizuka convinces her to temporarily cease hostilities. While gathering information on the Met Clan, the group falls into a trap set by Cleopatra’s forces. A captured soldier reveals that the Met Clan uses a "Dreaming Drug" to manipulate their soldiers. As tensions intensify between Rome and Egypt, they decide to gather information outside of Alexandria.
*** '''September 2nd of 31 BCE:''' The Battle of Actium begins, with Cleopatra’s forces initially holding their ground but eventually retreating as Octavius gains the upper hand. In Alexandria, Cleopatra sends her son Caesarion away for safety while attempting to negotiate peace with Octavius. With Antonius growing furious over her perceived betrayal, Cleopatra prepares for his arrival.
*** '''August 1st of 30 BCE:''' Antonius attempts suicide after receiving false news of Cleopatra's death, delivered by Ebony. Following his death, the Tokime girls exploit the weakened palace security and Nemu identifies Ebony as the key magical girl tied to their mission. She immobilizes them using her powers and Shizuka tries to reason with her.
*** '''Part 2:''' With assistance from Asahi, who'd been hiding until now, they neutralize Ebony. They explain that the Met Clan recruits young girls to contract with Kyubey, granting them powers to protect Egypt’s rulers. Shizuka shares her own experiences as a magical girl and persuades Ebony to break free from her role in the clan. After settling matters with Cleopatra, Ebony goes to the Met Clan Elder to receive freedom. He agrees, but tasks her with delivering a final message to the queen.
*** '''August 29th of 30 BCE:''' As Cleopatra's been imprisoned, the group infiltrates the guarded facility where she's kept. They find her face deteriorating due to the fading effects of magic granted by the past sacrificed girls. An assassin from the Met Clan, disguised as a soldier, kills Cleopatra by shooting darts into her neck. Ebony almost transforms into a witch but the other girls save her. After Nemu confirms that history remains intact due to the wound resembling a snake bite, they set off to confront the Elder. He reveals he orchestrated Cleopatra’s death to turn Ebony into a witch to use against Rome. When they find out the Elder is under a witch's influence, he commits suicide and they defeat the witch, 10<sup>-1</sup>. With the Soul Dome now filled, they bid farewell to Ebony and encourage her to embrace her newfound independence before returning to their own time.

* '''77 CE - 79 CE:'''
** '''History A:'''
**** '''Early 77 CE:''' A destructive rainstorm interrupts a play starring the popular actor, Master Paris.
**** '''Early 77 CE:''' The influential families of Pompeii—Cornelia’s, Junia’s, and Marius’—hold a banquet to discuss potential alliances and marriages.
**** '''Summer of 77 CE:''' A chariot race occurs, which Hilarus the Left-Handed wins. Junia and Marius watch the race together.
**** '''Summer of 78 CE:''' After the frequent earthquakes of recent, the city council focuses on rebuilding. Marius announces his marriage to Junia has been approved. Likely around this time, Junia meets a Vestal Maiden of Light and Kyubey, or Master Cubius, who prompts her to become a magical girl. Due to her love for Marius, she refuses.
**** '''October of 79 CE:''' Frequent earthquakes and dried water supplies occur, such as the Aqua Augusta.
**** '''October 24, 79 CE:''' Vesuvius erupts, killing most of the population, including Emperor Vespasian and Plinius in Stabiae without organizing a rescue effort. Pompeii is destroyed, and Cornelia and Marius' families die. Junia makes a contract with Kyubey to be reborn as a different person in the past, and thus creates History B.
** '''History B:'''
*** '''76 CE:''' Junia arrives back three years in time from the eruption of Mount Vesuvius. She tests out her power and poses as her new persona, Amaryllis. She tells the other servants that she's Lady Junia's new handmaiden, which the others believe without question, as her power not only allows her to change her appearance, but also makes others not question inconsistencies based on her identity. She befriends Cornelia as Amaryllis and tells her that she is from Greece and that she shares a tutor with Junia. She convinces Cornelia to help her by predicting a very destructive rainstorm in the midst of a play starring a popular actor, Master Paris.
*** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia The Lovers in the Pax Romana Arc|The Lovers in the Pax Romana]]:'''
**** '''Part 1, 79 CE:''' Himena, Shigure, San, Hagumu, Mitsune, and Miyuri travel back to Pompeii in 79 CE. Thanks to the power of the Rumors, Mitsune has now recovered her ability to walk. Nemu tells them about Amaryllis, a magical girl who altered history. They then find themselves in an unstable space, where time and reality are unstable, and encounter a copy of [[10^−43#10−7|10<sup>-7</sup>]]. Nemu explains that their interference in an already altered timeline (79 CE) may have caused a time paradox, and that they are in a "Time Paradox Zone," where history is being rewritten. San, Hagumu and Mitsune are caught up in the paradox and separated from the rest of the group. Due to having Nemu's book, Himena is attuned to this time period, so she dreams of Junia and Cornelia’s childhood, where their father announces one will marry Marius.
**** '''Early 77 CE:''' Himena, Shigure, Miyuri and Nemu wake up in Pompeii, two years before the eruption. Cornelia helps them hide and introduces them to Amaryllis, the magical girl who has been warning people about the eruption. Nemu explains two histories: History A, where Pompeii is destroyed, and History B, where Amaryllis succeeded and most people evacuated. Amaryllis’ plan involves Cornelia marrying Marius to gain political influence. The group, now posing as Cornelia’s handmaidens, prepares to attend a banquet at Marius’ villa. Amaryllis explains that the banquet is a critical event where the three influential families—Cornelia’s, Junia’s, and Marius’—will discuss future alliances, including potential marriages. Cornelia is torn between her feelings for Marius and her sister Junia’s happiness. The group encounters and defeats a witch, rescuing Cornelia. They later meet Junia, who is kind and thoughtful, before being taken away by a paradox.
**** '''Summer of 77 CE:''' They reappear later in the year. Amaryllis reveals to them that magical girls in the time period in Ancient Rome were known as Vestal Maidens of Light, which was likely the source of Rome's long-lasting success. Amaryllis and Cornelia are working to spread a prophecy about the impending eruption of Mount Vesuvius through the Cult of Isis, a powerful religious group in Pompeii. Amaryllis uses her metamorphosis magic to disguise herself as a member and deliver the prophecy, claiming it comes from divine sources. They plan to use the upcoming chariot race as proof of their prophetic knowledge, predicting Hilarus the Left-Handed will win. The chariot race coincides with Cornelia’s birthday, and Amaryllis has arranged for Cornelia and Marius to watch the race together, while Junia will celebrate separately. The group encounters a barrier again, this time only a familiar. Amaryllis and Cornelia successfully gain the cooperation of the Cult of Isis by proving the accuracy of their prophecy about Hilarus the Left-Handed’s victory in the chariot race. The priestess of Isis is convinced by the detailed predictions Amaryllis provides, including future events like the death of Emperor Vespasian and the drying up of the Aqua Augusta. The Cult of Isis agrees to prepare its followers for the impending disaster, so Amaryllis and Cornelia plan to extend their efforts to other temples, including those dedicated to Venus and Apollo. They also prepare to leverage Cornelia’s connections, such as attending a tutelage ceremony for the popular actor Paris, to further spread their message. However, the timeline remains unstable, and they suspect that another time paradox event is imminent. The members of the Neo-Magius prepare for the possibility of being transported to another point in time, as has happened before when key conditions were met.
**** '''Summer of 78 CE:''' Amaryllis and Cornelia play a game, but they're interrupted by Himena, Miyuri, and Shigure's arrival after the year-long absence. They discuss the current situation in Pompeii, where the rumors of Mount Vesuvius’ impending eruption have caused some residents and influential figures, including Cornelia’s father, to consider relocating. However, the city council remains divided, with many still favoring reconstruction over evacuation. They also consider seeking the help of Admiral Plinius, a renowned scholar and military leader, to advocate for evacuation.
**** '''[[Amaryllis#Side Story|Amaryllis' MSS]]:'''
***** '''A Maiden Ought to Play Games, 78 CE:''' Amaryllis plays Ludus with Lady Cornelia and encourages her to watch a particular chariot race with him. During a stroll in Pompeii, Miyuri loses her smartphone, which Cornelia recalls seeing earlier in a storage room. Cornelia's father had taken it to a jeweler for appraisal, where Gaius, a relative of Pliny the Elder, showed interest in purchasing it. Concerned about potential historical paradoxes, the group hurries to retrieve it.
***** '''A Spark of Flaring Love:''' Cornelia devises a plan to ask her father to cancel the sale. She attends the chariot race with Marius, while the others search for Gaius. After the match, Amaryllis impersonates Gaius to secure the smartphone, while Himena and others prevent the real Gaius from entering. As the plan unfolds, a labyrinth emerges near the Temple of Venus.
***** '''Love is War:''' Marius unexpectedly arrives on horseback to rescue Cornelia and her father from the supposed ghostly disturbances near the temple. Amaryllis successfully gets the phone while the others detain the real Gaius, who later wakes up confused after the witch's been defeated. The next day, Cornelia prepares for a picnic with Marius and Junia, and Amaryllis returns to playing Ludus with her.
*** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia The Lovers in the Pax Romana Arc|The Lovers in the Pax Romana, continued]]:'''
**** '''Part 1, continued:''' The group travels to Misenum to meet Plinius. Himena suggests using her synthesis magic, as she's now learned to use her power to replicate powers without draining them from others, to replicate Amaryllis’ abilities, allowing others to assist in the plan. They successfully intercept Plinius near the coast, where Cornelia and Amaryllis explain the impending eruption of Mount Vesuvius. Despite revealing future events, including the death of Emperor Vespasian and Plinius’ own fate during the eruption, he refuses to support their cause. The group returns to Cornelia’s villa, where Nemu expresses concern that revealing too much, such as Plinius’ death, may have already disrupted the timeline. The next day, a messenger arrives with a surprising request from Consul Titus, the eldest son of Vespasian and the future emperor, who wishes to meet Cornelia in private.
**** '''Part 2:''' Two days later, Cornelia and Amaryllis meet with Titus, who had been informed of their prophecy and the supposed death of the current emperor by Plinius. He cannot order a mass evacuation without proof, but promises to help evacuate once the eruption begins and to facilitate aid for survivors in Neapolis. After the meeting, Cornelia, Marius, and Junia head to a picnic where Marius announces that his father has approved his engagement to Cornelia. They enjoy a peaceful moment together while Himena, Miyuri, Shigure, and Nemu defeat an offshoot of the original 10<sup>-7</sup> witch and then observe the picnic. Nemu explains that the witch they first encountered in 77 CE has been actively interfering with history by creating powerful offshoots and to restore the correct timeline of History B, they must defeat the original witch. That night, Himena has a dream where Amaryllis laments not becoming a Vestal Maiden of Light during the original Pompeii's destruction.
**** '''October of 79 CE:''' Frequent earthquakes and dried water supplies confirm the prophecy. Many residents, influenced by the efforts of Cornelia and Marius' families have already evacuated, but some still remain. The Cult of Isis provides additional ships to aid in the evacuation, and Marius frees charioteers trapped in the barracks, who then help guide people to safety.
**** '''October 24, 79 CE:''' The eruption of Vesuvius begins and Cornelia, Marius, and their families coordinate the evacuation to the shore, where ships await. However, a large group of residents, possessed by a witch, move toward danger. Himena, Miyuri, Shigure, and Nemu confront the 10<sup>-7</sup> witch while Amaryllis and Cornelia focus on saving lives. As the situation seems dire, the Roman navy, led by Admiral Plinius, arrives with a massive fleet to assist in the evacuation.
**** In Stabiae, Plinius ensures his fleet rescues as many as possible and instructs his subordinates to record his death as a brave act. To ensure history remains intact, he dies in the eruption.
**** With the arrival of San, Hagumu, and Mitsune, Himena, Shigure and Miyuri manage to defeat the witch. They realize that while they couldn’t save everyone, they succeeded in changing the future and ensuring that many lives were saved. As the eruption of Mount Vesuvius reaches its peak, the remaining residents of Pompeii are evacuated by ship. Cornelia and Marius look forward to rebuilding their lives in Neapolis, when they notice Amaryllis and Junia missing. Amaryllis reflects on her vow to have lived the rest of her life in atonement, dedicating herself to the peace of Rome and honoring the memories of those she couldn’t save. As Junia, she stays in the Pompeii and wears the bracelet given to her by Marius as a reminder of her past and the love she once had. With the timeline restored, the others return to the future.

* '''c. 247 CE:'''
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia The Heiress of Yamatai Arc|The Heiress of Yamatai]]:'''
*** '''Part 1:''' A messenger confirms that Toyo has been chosen as a candidate to succeed Queen Himiko of Yamatai. Toyo sets out for Yamatai, excited to meet Queen Himiko, whom she deeply admires. She encounters and befriends Rena, and later Momoko, and Kaede, unaware that they are from the future. Despite Toyo's cursed reputation, Rena and the others treat her kindly, which deeply moves her. They're confronted by soldiers from Kuna, a rival nation to Yamatai, who mistake Rena for Toyo due to a book they believe is a gift from the Wei Dynasty. After a brief skirmish, the Kuna soldiers retreat with the book, which is Nemu, but not before she tells them that Toyo is the magical girl their mission is based around. Due to their appearance and outfits, Rena accidentally lets it slip that they're from the future, but since the people of the era don't understand the word, they understand it as being a distant, more advanced country. Toyo's group arrives in Yamatai, however, Himiko rejects Toyo and accuses her younger brother of using Toyo as a political pawn. Rena defends Toyo, and the group leaves her quarters, staying in a nearby lodging for the night. Himiko's younger brother explains to Toyo and her friends that the previous shrine maiden candidates were plagued by a curse, leading to disasters. One candidate was possessed, and another sacrificed herself to exorcise the curse. He dismisses the idea that Toyo is the child of a Cursed God, suggesting Himiko’s rejection stems from fear of repeating past tragedies. He vows to make Toyo the successor despite Himiko’s objections. Toyo, feeling lost and rejected, encounters a soldier from Kuna who reveals that Toyo is the child of Himiko and the king of Kuna, not a cursed being. This revelation shocks Toyo and she questions why Himiko hid this from her and why she was treated as cursed. Toyo decides to prove herself by helping a drought-stricken village. Despite initial distrust, Toyo and her friends work to build a canal to prevent flooding when the rain comes. The villagers, seeing their efforts, gradually accept Toyo and join in the work. Himiko arrives to assess Toyo’s work and acknowledges her efforts, accepting her as a successor candidate. However, Toyo collapses from exhaustion and illness. In a tender moment, Himiko comforts Toyo, revealing herself as Toyo’s mother. Toyo expresses her love for Himiko, and the two share a heartfelt connection as Toyo falls asleep. Toyo wakes up to find herself paralyzed, unable to move or call for help. She tries to reach the sunlight, hoping someone will find her, but is unsuccessful.
** '''[[Toyo#Side Story|Toyo's MSS]]:'''
*** '''Part 1:''' Toyo is introduced as Himiko's successor, but villagers doubt her due to her perceived cursed origins. Himiko defends Toyo, claiming her abilities are divine. Their strained relationship is evident as Toyo struggles to connect with Himiko, her mother, despite Himiko's efforts to bond. Toyo attempts to bridge the gap by giving Himiko a poorly chosen gift of cicada shells, which confuses her. Momoko suggests finding a dog as a better gift. Toyo uses her Spirit Arts to locate a strange creature she names Slurpy, insisting it’s a dog. Himiko initially refuses to let Toyo keep Slurpy, fearing it’s dangerous, but reluctantly agrees after Toyo pleads and promises to be responsible. She grows attached to Slurpy, momentarily forgetting her goal of improving her relationship with Himiko.
*** '''Part 2:''' Toyo works tirelessly, using her Spirit Arts to help villagers, with Slurpy assisting her in chaotic but helpful ways. Despite her exhaustion, Toyo continues her duties, ignoring her friends' concerns. Slurpy leads the group to a pond, where they catch fish and enjoy a meal together. Toyo expresses happiness but regrets Slurpy can’t join future outings. Her health declines, and she collapses while playing with Slurpy. Himiko scolds Toyo for overworking and notices Slurpy’s loyalty. Toyo apologizes to Slurpy for her inability to play due to her illness.
*** '''Part 3:''' Toyo’s health worsens, and she struggles to perform daily tasks, feeling guilty for burdening her friends and Slurpy. Himiko decides Slurpy must be sent away, believing dogs carry a curse that harms Toyo. Despite protests, Toyo agrees, thinking it’s best for Slurpy. They share a final playful run, though Toyo struggles to keep up. She urges Slurpy to forget her and live happily, but he refuses to leave. After parting, Toyo reflects on their memories together.
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia The Heiress of Yamatai Arc|The Heiress of Yamatai, continued]]:'''
*** '''Part 2:''' Crops and livestock across Yamatai are mysteriously withering, leading villagers to believe it’s a curse. Himiko’s younger brother reveals that Kuna has been pressuring Yamatai to make Toyo the successor to avoid war. Himiko uncovers her brother’s plot to manipulate Toyo and use her as a political pawn, but she refuses to comply, deciding instead to resume war with Kuna despite the risks. Toyo’s health deteriorates, and she experiences episodes of paralysis. Himiko, realizing she cannot protect Toyo from her illness or the political turmoil, pleads with Rena and Kaede to take Toyo to the future, where she might be cured. Himiko declares war on Kuna, aiming to protect Yamatai and Toyo from Kuna’s schemes. The war begins, and Yamatai initially struggles against Kuna’s forces. Momoko confronts Himiko, urging her to give Toyo a reason to believe in her actions, as Toyo remains unaware of the true reasons behind the war. As the war rages, Toyo, despite her failing health, is determined to protect her village and the canal they built. She struggles to move but pushes herself, knowing the importance of the canal for the villagers. She is discovered by a Yamatai soldier who insists she return to safety, but Toyo resists. Rena and Kaede arrive and reveal they have built a palanquin to help Toyo move more easily and they support her decision to go to the village. Himiko, comes into possession of Nemu's book, intending to look into its binding method. After hearing them talk about something similar, she reveals to Momoko that she's gravely ill herself, coughing up blood, the illness affecting her face and losing her vision. Toyo, Rena, and Kaede arrive at the village to find it under attack by Kuna soldiers. They deliver Toyo to Himiko, and Rena fights off the soldiers, while Kaede helps evacuate the villagers. Toyo is approached by Kyubey, who offers her a contract to become a magical girl in exchange for a wish. Despite Himiko's warnings about the dangers of such a contract, as the same thing had happened to the previous shrine maiden, Toyo decides to make a wish to become a great leader like her mother, Himiko. She transforms into a magical girl, gaining the strength to surpass her disease, fight and protect her people. Toyo arrives to help Rena, Kaede and Momoko fight the witch responsible for the attack. Himiko passes away, leaving Toyo as her successor. Toyo, though grieving, vows to carry on her mother's legacy and lead Yamatai to prosperity. She addresses the people, assuring them that she will continue to fight for their future, even as the war with Kuna rages on. As they've now fulfilled their mission and collected Iroha's concept, Momoko, Rena and Kaede bid farewell to Toyo and leave the time period. During one of the following nights, a servant of Himiko leads Toyo to a water supply, which Himiko had rigged with her knowledge of Spirit Arts to cause a display of fireflies. Toyo breaks down in tears, expressing her longing for her mother and her determination to live up to her legacy.
** '''[[Toyo#Side Story|Toyo's MSS, continued]]:'''
*** '''Part 3, continued:''' A long time afterwards, during summer, Toyo hears a familiar bark and runs to see Slurpy again. Without using her power of summoning, the two reunite together again.

* '''11th Century CE:'''
** '''[[Olga#Side Story|Olga's MSS]]:'''
*** '''Part 1:''' Olga and Gunhild support each other through their hardships. Olga often shares stories of Norse gods and dreams of a better future, even creating a world called "Olganheim" in her imagination. They endure daily mistreatment, particularly from a warrior who harbors a grudge against their father. She dreams of sailing the world as a great trader, finding rare treasures, and sharing adventures with Gunhild. Her sister suggests escaping, but Olga refuses, fearing the consequences if they are caught.
*** '''Part 2:''' They notice the village is unusually quiet as the men are away pillaging. Suddenly, they spot a wolf entering the village and Olga tries to protect Gunhild by pushing her into a shed while distracting the wolf. Gunhild, remembering a lesson from their father’s friend, suggests using loud noises to scare the wolf away. Together, they successfully drive the wolf off and Gunhild scolds Olga for risking her life by staying outside to distract the wolf. Olga apologizes and promises to consult Gunhild before doing anything dangerous in the future. She then praises Gunhild for her quick thinking and resourcefulness.
*** '''Part 3:''' A while after they scared the wolf, they hear a noise outside and suspect it might have returned. They investigate the noise and spot a stranger sneaking around the village. Gunhild suggests he might be a thief or a scout for an enemy group. When he notices them, Olga suggests using the same tactic they used on the wolf, and together, they scream and attract the attention of the village warriors, who chase the intruder away.
** '''[[Gunhild#Side Story|Gunhild's MSS]]:'''
*** '''Part 1:''' One night, Olga claims to have seen a Fylgja, a spirit in the form of a white beast. Gunhild initially dismisses it but later encounters Kyubey, who offers her the chance to become a magical girl in exchange for a wish. Gunhild, though suspicious of Kyubey's intentions, wishes to form a warrior band with Olga as its leader.
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia Valkyrie of Vik Arc|The Valkyrie of Vik]]:'''
*** '''Part 1:''' Olga and Gunhild meet the members of Promised Blood, who traveled from the future and claim to be merchants. Isvik is suddenly attacked by raiders, and an elderly warrior, Ebbe, recognizes Olga and Gunhild as the daughters of Arne, whom he once owed his life to. He reveals that he had vowed to repay Arne and now Ebbe declares his loyalty to the sisters and offers his warrior band, the Warriors of the Bear Claw, to serve under their command. The two become the leaders of the warrior band, renaming it the "Warriors of the Sisterhood." The warriors successfully ambush and defeat Isvik's returning warriors, securing control of the settlement. They rename it "Ithvollr" and begin to rebuild and expand their influence.
** '''[[Gunhild#Side Story|Gunhild's MSS, continued]]:'''
*** '''Part 2:''' Gunhild focuses on building a strong foundation for their settlement, improving agriculture, livestock, and trade to strengthen their warrior band. Meanwhile, she battles witches to recover her magical power, though she grows increasingly wary of Kyubey and the toll of being a magical girl.
*** '''Part 3:''' Gunhild fights enemy warriors, and despite being gravely injured, she survives due to her soul gem, learning that her body won't die unless it's destroyed. This realization makes her grateful Olga didn't become a magical girl and vows to keep Kyubey away from her sister. Gunhild discovers Olga has been lured into a witch's labyrinth by Kyubey, who is trying to make Olga a magical girl.
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia Valkyrie of Vik Arc|The Valkyrie of Vik, continued]]:'''
*** '''Part 1, continued:''' Olga sees the Fylgja, a guardian spirit, again and chases after it, hoping for guidance. However, she is attacked by one of her own warriors, who resents her leadership. Fleeing the attack, Olga finds herself in a labyrinth, which she believes to be Helheim, the land of the dead in Norse mythology. Just as she is about to be overwhelmed by familiars, Gunhild rescues her. Meanwhile, the members of Promised Blood debate whether to intervene in Olga's fate, as they suspect she may be destined to become a magical girl. Gunhild reveals to Olga that she became a magical girl after encountering Kyubey, the mysterious creature Olga mistook for a Fylgja. Gunhild explains that she made a contract with Kyubey, wishing to form a warrior band led by Olga to help achieve her sister's dreams. She admits that she didn’t want Olga to become a magical girl because of the dangerous and endless cycle of fighting witches and consuming grief seeds to survive. Olga insists on becoming a magical girl to share the burden, however, Gunhild vehemently opposes this, even killing Kyubey to prevent Olga from making a contract. Gunhild compares the life of a magical girl to the eternal battles in Valhalla, and that her sacrifices will earn her a place there after death. Promised Blood debate whether to intervene, and Nemu explains that the Viking era, including warrior bands like Olga and Gunhild’s, will soon come to an end with the Battle of Stamford Bridge. They resolve to continue watching without interfering, despite their feelings about the sisters.
*** '''Part 2:''' Olga and Gunhild, along with their warrior band, prepare to join King Harald's campaign to conquer England. On 20 September 1066, the sisters and their warriors participate in the Battle of Fulford, where Harald's army wins the battle, and Gunhild's abilities earn her praise from Harald himself. Olga is attacked by a witch and narrowly escapes with the help of Yuna and her companions, who intervene discreetly to protect her without revealing their identities. Harald's army continues to advance, and the sisters prepare for the next phase of the campaign. On September 25th, 1066, Harald's army is caught off guard by King Harold II's forces at Stamford Bridge. Gunhild, using her magical girl powers, sustains severe injuries but continues to fight, shocking Harald and his men with her unnatural resilience. Harald, terrified by Gunhild's seemingly cursed abilities, accuses her of being the source of their misfortune and orders his men to kill her. Gunhild, enraged by Harald's betrayal, turns on him, but her soul gem darkens quickly and she transforms into a witch. Olga is devastated, but Yuna's team intervene, pulling Olga away from the chaos. They explain that Gunhild has become a witch, and Olga is left to grapple with the outcome of her sister's sacrifices. Olga makes a contract with Kyubey, wishing for the power to send Gunhild to Valhalla. She transforms into a magical girl and eventually defeats Gunhild's witch. Promised Blood reflects on the events, realizing that Olga was the magical girl Iroha had been observing. Nemu reveals that she withheld some information to prevent interference in the sisters' fate. Having completed their mission, prepares to return to their own time, confident that Olga will persevere and calling her "Olga the Dreamer."
** '''[[Olga#Side Story|Olga's MSS, continued]]:'''
*** '''Part 3, continued:''' Olga reflects on their lives, joking that if the gods were truly guiding them, they’d be on a boat by now. Despite the hardships, she cherishes their memories together and resolves to keep living for the future, though she wonders why things turned out the way they did.

* '''c. 1240 CE:'''
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia The Rakshasi of Tibet|The Rakshasi of Tibet]]:'''
*** '''Part 1:''' Lavi, Alexandra and Urara arrive in 13th-century Tibet, seeking the Rakshasi, a figure who will end the war between Tibet and Mongolia and bring peace. Lavi discovers that the nunnery is training young girls to become Rakshasi, with Heruka being a key figure. Dolma, the leader of the nunnery, reveals that they exiled the adults who tried to stop the Rakshasi ceremony, as they believed in fighting the Mongols. Meanwhile, Alexandra and Urara pose as performers and are captured by the Mongol leader, Dolo'adai, who plans to use their powers against the convent. Lavi learns that the Rakshasi are magical girls chosen through a ritual with a mysterious figure named Lord Jataka, Kyubey. Lavi and Nemu discuss the discrepancies in history, noting that the nunnery's role and the existence of "junior nuns" are not part of the original historical record. They surmise that Heruka is likely the Rakshasi mentioned in history and Lavi decides not to interfere with Heruka's fate, as it would alter history. A Mongolian soldier is captured after attempting to poison the nunnery's well. Heruka interrogates him, as she can speak Mongolian, revealing that the Mongols believe the Rakshasi attacked them first, which lead to their invasion. Heruka is shaken by the accusations but keeps the details from Dolma. Lavi learns that another junior nun who speaks Mongolian, likely Alexandra or Urara, is with the Mongols. Accompanied by Heruka, Lavi reunites with Alexandra and Urara, where they discuss the historical discrepancies and the possibility of a witch influencing events. Nemu suggests they may need to intervene to ensure the Rakshasi ends the war as history dictates. Alexandra and Urara decide to stay with the Mongols to gather intelligence, while Lavi and Heruka return to the nunnery through a hidden entrance to prepare for the impending attack. The Mongols discover the hidden entrance to the town and plan to use it to launch a surprise attack. They set a trap, using false information to lure the nunnery's defenders into an ambush. Alexandra and Urara learn of the impending attack and reveal that the Mongols' plan, but Heruka deduces that the attack will likely be a night raid, not at dawn as initially suggested. She prepares the nunnery for an ambush, evacuating the townsfolk and organizing a counterattack. The nunnery's defenders, led by Heruka and Lavi, successfully ambush the Mongols, but the Mongols use a feigned retreat to lure them into a trap and successfully counterattack. The town is set ablaze and Lavi stays behind to hold off the Mongols while the others retreat. Heruka is overwhelmed by guilt, believing her actions led to the town's destruction. She asks the villagers to restrain Dolma so she can fulfill her role as a Rakshasi. Heruka then encounters Kyubey, who offers her a contract to become a magical girl. Heruka accepts, wishing to erase the memory of the Rakshasi from everyone's minds to end the war. Heruka's wish changes history, erasing the memory of the Rakshasi, even among the Folklore of Zero, and altering the perception of the nunnery. The Mongols withdraw, and the war comes to a ceasefire. Heruka spreads the ashes of her loved ones, symbolizing their return to the earth, and embraces her role as a Rakshasi. After the nunnery is restored, Dolma decides to leave and join the Order of the White Hill to seek support for the nunnery. She and Heruka share a heartfelt farewell, with Heruka giving Dolma a manuscript to help her learn Mongolian.
*** '''Part 2:''' Heruka, now seen as a savior by her followers, confronts Mongolian soldiers. Despite being shot with arrows, she remains unharmed, which the soldiers interpret as a miracle. Many Mongols abandon their weapons and convert to her faith, believing she is an incarnation of the Buddha as her magic pacifies people's hearts. Heruka’s influence grows, and she continues to spread her teachings, aiming to bring peace and Shambhala to the world. Meanwhile, the Mongolian commander, Dolo'adai, is ordered to destroy Heruka’s followers, but his soldiers are reluctant, fearing divine punishment. Lavi, Alexandra, and Urara observe Heruka’s growing influence and success in stopping the war. The group decides to investigate further by studying religious texts to understand Heruka’s role and the concept of the Rakshasi. Dolma, now part of the Order of the White Hill, successfully negotiates support for the nunnery from the temple’s head priest. Lavi, Nemu, and Urara are studying a palm-leaf manuscript about Tibet’s history, which mentions the Rakshasi. They discuss the possibility of it being a mythological account of Tibet’s founding, as they've forgotten about the Rakshasi due to Heruka's wish. Meanwhile, Heruka arrives and informs them that the Mongolian Army has attacked their village and others, resuming their invasion. Survivors beg for vengeance against the Mongols and a wounded Mongolian soldier reveals that the general has allied with the Rakshasi, and Heruka comforts him as he dies. The group learns that the Mongols plan to continue their attacks, exhausting them. Later, Deki, another girl at the nunnery, informs Heruka that Dolma has been caught in the fighting as a mediator between Heruka and the Order of the White Hill, who seek peace with the Mongols. Returning to her village, she finds it destroyed by the Mongols. The villagers, who revere Heruka as their savior, refuse to accept peace with the Mongols. Dolma is attacked by Mongolian soldiers but escapes and reunites with Heruka. Heruka meets with former Lamas and nunnery priests, and proposes a decisive battle against the Mongols and enlists their help. Dolma convinces the Temple Head Priest to support the plan, believing in Heruka’s miracle. Meanwhile, the Mongolian general, Dolo'adai, prepares for the final battle and agrees to meet Heruka’s group on Mongolian soil. Heruka shares a childhood story about her grandmother, who made her believe butter tea was sweet. Heruka and her group arrive in Mongolia after days of travel. Dolma insists on being the interpreter, but it’s revealed that everyone, including the Temple Head Priest, understands Mongolian. They are led to a location resembling a Tibetan monastery, where General Dolo'adai awaits. Heruka and Dolo'adai exchange tense words, and Heruka reveals her plan to end the fighting by becoming a Mongolian officer. Heruka shocks her followers by claiming to betray them, offering them to the Mongols as a "gift." She insults her companions and declares herself a Rakshasi. Heruka’s followers and the Mongols are horrified, and the Temple Head Priest accuses her of being a fraud. Dolma defends Heruka, but Heruka continues to play the villain, claiming she manipulated everyone for her own gain. She even accuses herself of killing Dolma’s family and others in their hometown. The Mongols, convinced of her evil nature, prepare to execute her. Heruka’s followers turn against her, and she is taken away. Heruka’s former Lama testifies against her, but Dolma tries to defend Heruka, who continues to play the villain. She reveals her plan to lure out the witch, the source of hatred and conflict, by creating a situation filled with hatred. Heruka is condemned as a Rakshasi, and the Mongols prepare to execute her. Heruka confronts the witch and uses her magic to put everyone to sleep, but Lavi resists and follows her. Heruka confronts the witch, realizing her magic is being canceled out by the witch’s power of hatred. Despite being at a disadvantage in a direct fight, Lavi and the others arrive to help, revealing they resisted Heruka’s magic because they wanted to protect her. Together, they manage to defeat the witch, but Heruka’s magic weakens, and the people, now awake, turn against her, throwing rocks and calling her a monster. Dolma defends Heruka and they flee together. Lavi and the others hold off the Mongols, allowing Dolma and Heruka to escape until they reach a flower of blue poppies. After Heruka’s execution, Dolma struggles with grief and anger, but Lavi encourages her to record the truth about Heruka, ensuring her legacy is preserved. Dolma travels to Mongolia, helping to spread a new script while secretly inscribing the truth about Heruka in monuments. She reflects on Heruka’s sacrifice and the blue flowers that symbolize her hope.
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: The [[Timeline (Historical)]] is meant to have the original historical records of the events that happened. Puella Historia has the members of the cast change the past, so while it might not belong in [[Timelines]], it's not for Historical either. Would you agree to placing it in [[Magia Record Timeline]] and the game section of [[Timelines]] to just direct to it? [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 12:45, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:: The page has a section for the Magia Record timeline too. Also, how do we know they change the past? I'm not aware of any reason to believe that either the Tart events or the Puella Historia events result in changing the past. I haven't watched the Puella Historia finale mind you, so perhaps there's something there, but if you're merely ''assuming'' they change the past then I don't think that's a good assumption. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:32, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

::: I meant the history before the Kamihama gangs went back in time. For example, originally, the Tart stuff goes exactly as in the manga, then Iroha, Yachiyo and Ui go to the past and make some changes, even if just in Tart's dream. Another example would be how Toyo had no friends until KaMoRe came from the future. The end result is mostly similar, but the original Toyo never met anyone named Rena Minami. Historical should be for the events without involving time travel, while other articles which include the present should tell of the time travel stuff, because it starts in the present (like Present-day Kamihama for Puella Historia), they go back in time (like Mirage of Alexandria, make some minute changes, usually preventing 10^-43 from messing things up), then they go back to the present. It's why I didn't bring the Historia MSS stories that didn't involve the girls from Kamihama to [[Timelines]] but added them as references in Historical. The people from the present didn't affect Ebony's MSS since it happened before the Tokime arrived to Alexandria. I intend to put the other events of the recent past in Kamihama to the Historical Magia Record section too, unless they involve any time travel. This would also be easier since Historical overall has less detail than I've put into my draft of events. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 18:07, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:::: Okay, so it seems our disagreement can basically be traced back to a disagreement on what it really means to travel back in time. There seems to be an implicit assumption that Homura's form of time travel is the only form that exists, yet Amaryllis directly proves otherwise – her time travel method is very different. That already shows that there are multiple forms of time travel in the setting. That in turn implies that there's no guarantee that any two instances of time travel have properties in common. So, when analyzing time travel, we should avoid making assumptions. And it should be acknowledged that applying "common sense" to time travel just doesn't work. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 08:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
::::: Yeah, Tart events always played weirdly with the rules. Amaryllis' time travel is the most conventional, Iroha also did it once with that leaf in the Arc 2 finale. Homura supposedly goes back in time AND switches realities (Guitarist Kyosuke timeline). Mirrors time travel is weird because, the moment the mirror they traveled from shatters, the people traveling through it go back to where hey came from. Don't even get me started with Null Magica. Mikoto's was the only one that was said to bring paradoxes and potentially destroy the world, but it's ultimately unconfirmed. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::: There is no such thing as "conventional" in time travel. The "switches realities" theory for Homura's time travel doesn't seem to be canon – Homura Tamura rolls it up to ridiculous, but there is nothing whatsoever in the show to support it (guitarist Kyosuke is ''clearly not'' canon). From what we ''actually see'', her time travel is something like "stuffing her future soul into her past body". Amaryllis's time travel is the closest we get to a "wormhole" or "portal", where two versions of Amaryllis exist simultaneously. I think the only thing we can really conclude is that there are no rules for time travel in the setting – each time traveller has her own rules. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::: I hate to bring up old points again, especially since the matter for which this discussion started has been settled, but if Guitarist Kyosuke can't be taken as canon, since the information comes from a witch card, then what about Cleopatra and Himiko? Why are the production notes of Cleopatra and Himiko from episode 11 taken as canon proof they're magical girls, and the Historia versions of them are taken as a separate universe? From what we saw, we never got confirmation that that was Cleopatra or Himiko except runes of their names and production notes saying they were. Toyo's event even had a cop-out with justifying that the japanese girl from episode 12 was Himiko's shrine maiden. I don't even think we saw Cleopatra's soul gem, and it's not like Tart (from episode 12) where it's so specific and has hard evidence that it's Jeanne of Arc as a magical girl. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:49, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: The identity of Cleopatra does not depend on any production notes. The scenes showing her in the anime are very clearly her. I don't know whether or not the same applies to Himiko, but I would say runes of their names are sufficient as evidence to their canon identity. I'm not sure if there's direct evidence in the anime that Cleopatra was a magical girl, though – it's possible it's merely inferred from the fact that all the ''other'' historical characters depicted are magical girls. She ''is'' clasping something to her chest that could be a soul gem, but unlike with Tart, we can't see any evidence that it ''is''. But the main point here is that their identity is clear enough from the anime without resorting to production notes. This is ''definitely'' true for Cleopatra at least. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:14, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
:::: Now, I am not aware of any reason to believe that "the history before the Kamihama gangs went back in time" is something that exists. It's quite within reason to believe that they went back in time because they went back in time. Time travel messes up causality, after all. I am not aware of any convincing evidence that Yachiyo and Ui "make some changes" to the past. Indeed, the Maiden of Hope explicitly questions this theory – it points out that the fact of "Tart remembered Yachiyo and Iroha" may have been true already before they went back, and they just didn't know. It also points out that the sweet dreams charm with the red and blue candles has no origin – Melissa learned it from Iroha, and then Melissa passed it down through history until Iroha learned it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 08:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
::::: I actually agree with that. However, I think historical should have the barebones of the story, like "Cleopatra dies," since it's ultimately unconfirmed whether they were always meant to be there. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:::: So unless we can find references to ''strongly support'' the idea that history was changed (such as an actual non-speculative statement in the game itself about what the history was like "before the change"), then I think it's simpler to assume it wasn't. Based on that premise, they didn't go back in time and change history – they went back in time so that they could replicate the true history that led to their present day. I doubt either version of the theory is strongly-supported by the evidence, mind you, but without explicit data on "pre-change" histories, anything you put there would be speculation. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 08:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
::::: An argument I could make to say that they weren't always meant to go to the past is that Mikoto, having seen the past, didn't comment on the Kamihama girls being there or change her mind by saying "well at some point I agree with them so why prolong the inevitable". The Pillar of Tomorrow has her talk with Iroha about how she's satisfied with Iroha now after she's done with her work. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

::::: Ultimately, can we agree to not put any time travel in Historical? I feel like Timelines is the exact place for time travel shenanigans? [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::: I wouldn't say it's the place for "time travel shenanigans". It started out as an analysis of timelines formed specifically from Homura's actions, not timelines in general. It would certainly make sense to briefly cover the Historia and Tart time travel situations in [[Timelines]], but I'd say that should slot in from the future perspective, rather than in a "historical" section. In other words, it's mentioned at the point when they travel back in time, rather than having a section to itself in the past. But giving a full summary of the event would probably be too cluttered, I think.
:::::: I think the main detail of the Puella Historia stories ''definitely'' belongs in [[Timeline (Historical)]], though if you ''really'' want to phrase that summary to avoid mentioning the time travellers, I guess it wouldn't hurt. From the context of the Historia series, the goal is to "prevent the past from changing", so I think it's most reasonable to conclude that the time travellers (including the Witch of Symbols) had only very minor net effects on the past events. And the History A vs History B of Amaryllis's story also belongs there, in my opinion. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::: Thank you. I'm glad we can agree. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:49, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

== Too Many Files ==

Why are you uploading the entire UI of Magia Record? We don't need most of those files. The backgrounds and the item icons are fine in theory, though I think about half of them are duplicates. Most of the rest is useless. There are probably a few exceptions, but we definitely don't need stuff like bits of buttons that are cut up so the button can be made any width desired. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
: Sorry, I'm done with the files now. I thought it would be better to have them than not have them, especially since a lot of backgrounds are missing from where they should be. I'm done with bulk files for now, at most I will upload a few files for magia record event galleries.[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:14, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
:: I don't think there's any worth in having the buttons that you click on in the game, unless there's some nice picture on it. I haven't gone through your list in detail yet, but I'm probably going to delete about 1/4 of the ones that aren't backgrounds when I find time. And there's '''''definitely'''''' no worth in having the numbers in a special font. It's nice that you're helping by uploading missing stuff, but in future please do triage ''before'' uploading, not after. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Of course, thank you. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:28, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Looks like I was right about duplicates. I found at least one case where the same files were uploaded under different names, on [[Mikazuki Villa]]. I think you'd find most of them if you go through all the backgrounds and file them into appropriate articles – the duplicate would already be there in most cases. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:33, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I'll get to putting all the backgrounds to where they should be soon.[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:42, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Alright, I have:
:* Deleted a ton of files that are just particle effects, backgrounds, or pure text.
:* Deleted the duplicate icon images and categorized the rest in [[:Category:Magia Record Item Icons]] (fortunately the wiki identified these duplicates for me). If you know anything about those icons, you can add their info to [[Magia Record Items]].
:* Deleted the duplicate disk icons and element icons.
:* Filtered out a few clearly useful ones, such as the [[Kimochi]] stones.
:* Collected the rest here.
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:I think ''most'' of these should be deleted too, but I've added notes to a few that seem like perhaps they could be useful. In particular, I'm inclined to consider all the item icons in the above list as duplicates of their much higher-res counterparts currently in [[:Category:Magia Record Item Icons]]. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:32, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::Please, don't just drag the entire contents of a dump into the upload field. You should review every file before deciding to upload it. We don't need the various crops and resizes of the kioku images – just the full kioku image is plenty. We don't need random featureless UI art like the film strip either – unless you have a specific use for it in mind, but in that case it should be uploaded alongside the edit that makes use of it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:59, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

::I'm going to say it again. Please stop blindly uploading the entire asset dump without bothering to look through it. We don't need random special effects textures or UI graphics or thumbnails or crops or anything like that. Please sort out the most relevant graphics ''before'' dragging them onto the Ms Upload button. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:50, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

::: Yet again: Please stop uploading every file without the slightest triage. This is a wiki, not an asset dump. Only upload files when you actually want to use them on a page, or when you have a reasonable belief that you or someone else will soon want to use them. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 03:14, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

:::: Sorry, I thought all these files were important, like the flower particles Mami uses, or the Doppel ones, or the different angles of the labyrinths. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:43, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

::::: My main stance about this is that, while I understand that archiving is important, it puts us in a lot less defensible position if we upload everything rather than just the one we actually use in articles, especially now that the wiki has gotten a lot more attention than a few months ago... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:45, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

:::::: In general I would say we should ''almost never'' upload particle textures. There may be exceptions in odd cases, but still. If you think the particles are important for some reason, it's better to upload a shot of the game where the particles are actually used – that puts them properly in context and better gets their meaning across. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:55, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

== Irregulars ==

<blockquote>Why are Riz's former companions on this category? I can see why those contracted by Isabeau, but they were contracted by Kyubey.</blockquote>
I included them because I assumed that Riz's wish would have also applied to them and not just Tart. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 13:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Labyrinth Spaces ==

<blockquote>Homura was able to enhance one of her rooms to turn it into a white room with floating graphics about Walpurgisnacht through this, and this application of magic seems to do little more than create a small pocket dimension for extra space and visuals.</blockquote>

Where is the justification for this? It sounds like more of a fan theory than established fact to me (in which case it should use the speculation templates), but it's possible I'm missing something. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:54, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

== Common Abilities ==

While I'm on the topic of possible fan theories, it strikes me as varying levels of questionable to include the following in "common abilities":

* Storage/Hammerspace: I can maybe see justification for this in the robes of the Wings of the Magius or Elisa's weapon (which was created by Pernelle, so it's not the magically-summoned weapon that many girls use). But even then, I'm not sure we have sufficient evidence to say that that's an ability of the girl, rather than an ability of the robes or the weapon. Also, when it comes to the robes, there's some evidence that they ''don't'' get stored in any kind of hammerspace.
* Energy Blasts: If this was such an easy ability to learn, how are there so many magical girls that have no way to attack?
* Summon Barriers: This is kind of unclear. It seems to be fairly common for magical girls to learn barrier-like defensive abilities (both Mami and Kyoko did) but I don't see the justification for calling the ability "common to all magical girls".
* Clones: Very few magical girls have been demonstrated to use clones, so it seems very far-fetched to call it "common to all magical girls".
* Teleportation: As above – teleportation actually seems to be a very rare ability as far as I can tell.

It would be less of an issue if the section was "abilities that many magical girls learn" rather than "abilities that all magical girls possess". But other entries in the section clearly ''are'' abilities that all possess. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:54, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Got a couple more to add:

* Conjuration: I'm not aware of any concrete examples of magical girls conjuring random items. The most notable example, Mami's muskets, is actually a counter-example – she built those muskets from her ribbons. And if she can build a musket from ribbons, she can probably build a teacup too.

* Containers: I'm only aware of two magical girls (Mitama and Niko Kanna) who've created containers (ignoring Alina and her little green cubes, as that's explicitly her unique power). Thus, it seems to me that this should be mentioned as powers of those two girls, rather than in common powers.

~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:28, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

==Bulk Explanation==

I'll give the explanations for each of them. How I justify all of it is that if many girls have the same ability, which is nt their unique ability, then it can be learned to some extent. Maybe there should be a new section for "Learnable Abilities":

* Labyrinth Spaces: Homura's room did have magic added to it. I called it a labyrinth space because it shifts to Homura's emotions and memories when she hugs Madoka. But that may be non-diegetic. However, Madoka also saw the murals of Walpurgisnacht and asking her about it. Homura couldn't have possibly had that room on her own, so it seems reasonable to be a common application of magic. My logic is that if a power isn't classified as unique to the girl, then it's something learnable. In one of the Tart events, Minou had also added enchantments and stuff to the space around her territory, but it wasn't clear what she'd done. In Kazumi, several characters (like Umika, Niko and Kazumi) did it in various ways, and not just inside the freezer, but that's where it was most common.
* Storage/Hammerspace: Many girls just kind of pull small stuff out of nowhere, but the clearest example of the summoning thing for the storage is when Matsuri pulled out a grief seed from a magical sigil. It is possible the Feathers' robes have the power to store them, but at the very least, Iroha, Kuroe and Matsuri have all stored small objects somewhere on their person (usually just grief seeds, but it still counts). Elisa and Tart's weapons are also proof of this, as well as the obvious Homura shield.
* Energy Blasts: The Feathers attack Eve en mass during the AniReco finale. Feathers are also generally weak, plus Homura also used the same technique, same with Kyoko in AniReco. It stands to reason that it takes a bit of training.
* Summon Barriers: It was already there when I got to the article, but it is a normal application of magic which has been done many times. Natsuki deliberately learned it, and as you said, Kyoko and Mami also did it. Yuuri did the same thing too.
* Clones: Mami and Kanae are obvious, but it's clearly a learned ability that the girls can learn since Kanae and Mami are both different, plus these clones were clearly different from Kyoko's phantom clone ability.
* Teleportation: If you look at the battle animations, many girls are able to use it in short bursts. And since Suzune was able to learn it with her fire magic, as well as so many battle and magia animations, it seems to be a learnable thing.

I'll add and split these and others into "abilities that magical girls can learn" or something along those linesas you say.

: I have quite a lot to say here, so I'm going to split my response up into one spoilerbox per entry. Suffice to say though that I'm not convinced by your arguments. Most of them seem to be full of holes. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
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<blockquote>Homura's room did have magic added to it.</blockquote>This is what we're trying to determine, so it's not part of the argument.
<blockquote>I called it a labyrinth space because it shifts to Homura's emotions and memories when she hugs Madoka.</blockquote>I'll assume that "it shifts when she hugs Madoka" is a fact. What makes you believe that the shift is in response to Homura's emotions? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: Labyrinths shifting to memories and emotions is a thing that happens. It's unknown if it is diegetic, but there's a difference when emotional moments happen in the normal world, and when they happen in labyrinths.
:: It's just like what happens in the labyrinth of Charlotte in episode 3 (when Mami cries to Madoka and the scenery changes in response to Mami's emotions, being bright when she feels relieved)
:: The labyrinth of HN Elly in episode 4 (Madoka's memories are on display on the TVs)
:: Oktavia's labyrinth also shows memories (of Sayaka and Kyoko when Kyoko and Madoka enter the long aquarium walls)
:: Since Rebellion takes place in a labyrinth, this happens way more, like when Homura and Kyoko walk without the bus, the big tvs behind Mami and Homura showing Charlotte, the flowers responding to Homura and Madoka on the field. (It also happens more than normal, because Homura's the witch, so I can understand that this is a non-normal case)
:: Bottom line, the direction of art for when something emotional happens in a labyrinth, or labyrinth-like space, is different from when they're in the real world, as compared to labyrinths, especially with the memories being reflected on surfaces, which is what happens in Homura's white room when she cries and hugs Madoka. The memories may be non-diegetic, but the change of lighting and scenery is still something that only happens in Labyrinths, including the pendulum room.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:::You have completely missed the point. I'm arguing that I don't think there's evidence of it being a labyrinth at all, so pointing out all the places where labyrinths change based on someone's emotions doesn't help your argument in the slightest. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>However, Madoka also saw the murals of Walpurgisnacht and asking her about it.</blockquote>A character asking about it doesn't prove anything. Homura's response theoretically could, but I don't recall her saying anything relevant in the scene I think you're referring to. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: I meant that the murals are clearly there, and that the room isn't just a representation of Homura's obsession meant just for the audience. What I wanna convey is that the room actually looks like that.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, sure, so that proves the murals are real. But it doesn't prove they're magical. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>Homura couldn't have possibly had that room on her own,</blockquote>This doesn't seem to be a reasonable initial assumption. I don't think anything was ever said about it directly, and it seems quite plausible to me for it to be something like a "video wall", or perhaps some form of video projection. In other words, the wall can be explained by technology, so bringing in magic as an explanation isn't necessary. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: I can understand this being a technological room (maybe Homura stole some money or equipment), but nothing hinted at that, plus looking at the other room in Homura's apartment (the one where she googled 'how to make a bomb' in episode 10) it's very different. Additionally, the room's layout reflects a clock with the seats, there's an invisible pendulum being swung around whose shadow we see all the time. This doesn't seem like a normal room, is what I'm trying to say. I get that the technology in the show is advanced, but for a student to just have a white empty room taking up more than one floor is very unlikely. But it is ultimately possible. It just doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility for an experienced Magical Girl to learn to use aspects of her witch, especially since a lot of magic takes the look of those INU Curry assets (even when used by magical girls). Additionally, this is confirmed by Episode 10 when Homura's making the bomb that this is her apartment where she stayed after getting out of the hospital, she didn't go to a different one after the second timeline.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
::I don't know why you're assuming Homura stole something. As far as I know, we don't have any evidence to suggest that Homura can't afford expensive equipment. (We also have no evidence to suggest that she ''can'' though, unless you count this room itself as evidence.) Furthermore, I'm not aware of any evidence that suggests the room was built by Homura – it could've easily been already there in her home, set up by her parents at some time in the past. I can see that some of your other arguments here are reasonable arguments for it maybe being magical though. I think it's reasonable to say that it ''might'' be magical and it might not be and we just don't have enough information to be sure either way. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>In one of the Tart events, Minou had also added enchantments and stuff to the space around her territory, but it wasn't clear what she'd done. In Kazumi, several characters (like Umika, Niko and Kazumi) did it in various ways, and not just inside the freezer, but that's where it was most common.</blockquote>I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to here. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: There's quite a few occasions where the Freezer has non-normal imagery in the back, again showing the emotions of the girls. However, with Kazumi's artstyle it's difficult to know what's real and what's in the character's minds.
: During the fight with Kazumi in the freezer, it also changes a lot, the space itself warps and the pillars move up and down in accordance to what the girls need (like when Mirai tries to save Saki). While this may be a technological feat, but they weren't using any device to make that happen, the pillars just knew how and when to make that happen. But again, the entrance to the Freezer itself was only opened to the saints' gems, so isn't that an aspect of "enchanting the environment" through magic in and of itself? It just doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to imbue magic into a room to make it completely white, or somewhat respondent to one's input.
: In the Tart event, I recall talks about how the quarters of Minou (or rather the castle, while they were trying to reach the bell) had magic throughout it, but Minou's special cuz she has benefitted from many contracts, and wedon't know what it was since it was just dialogue in the game. Ultimately, this is the weakest, but I thougt it's worth bringing up.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Regarding the Freezer, it sounds less likely to be technological than Homura's room, though it's still possible. On the other hand, from your description here, I wouldn't conclude it's a labyrinth barrier either. Perhaps it ''could'' be, but as you mention yourself, they might have simply enchanted the walls and the pillars. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>My logic is that if a power isn't classified as unique to the girl, then it's something learnable.</blockquote>There is quite a gulf between "it's possible to learn this power" and "this is something that any girl can learn". And prior to your recent edits (which I've yet to look at), you were strongly implying the latter.
~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
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<blockquote>Many girls just kind of pull small stuff out of nowhere,</blockquote>Okay, but in how many of those cases are we able to prove that they didn't just pull them out of a pocket? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: For one, like when Iroha saved Yachiyo in episode 5, I can't see any pockets on her person, or most of the girls. But it's definitely possible. When Kuroe refused to give the grief seed to kuro in the flashback, she touches her pocket, but it's like how girls' phones stay in their pocket when they're in civilian form, and then when they transform, they just temporarily disappear and it's not acknowledged.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>but the clearest example of the summoning thing for the storage is when Matsuri pulled out a grief seed from a magical sigil.</blockquote>I'm not sure what event this is referring to. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: When Matsuri saved Suzune from Kagari, she gave her a Grief Seed which she pulled out of a small magical seal. Unless Matsuri can create tem out of thin air, that's just what she had in store for later use.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: I don't remember this scene, but it sounds like it shows Matsuri has some sort of storage magic, sure. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>at the very least, Iroha, Kuroe and Matsuri have all stored small objects somewhere on their person (usually just grief seeds, but it still counts).</blockquote>Did that happen in the anime? And can we prove they weren't just in a pocket? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: I can prove that for Matsuri at least.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: So you can't prove it for the others, then. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>Elisa and Tart's weapons are also proof of this,</blockquote>No, I don't think they are. I don't recall the mechanism for their weapons being explained, but it seems to me that "Pernelle enchanted them to do that" is an easier explanation than "every magical girl can do that". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: It's possible this is a Pernelle only thing too, but what I was referring to is that both of them can summon weapons that weren't originally theirs. They're both "one of a kind" things that they could keep in some kind of storage.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I knew what you meant – Pernelle crafted both Elisa's gun and Tart's sword, but those two both summon the weapon just like a normal magical girl weapon. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>as well as the obvious Homura shield.</blockquote>This one was never in question. But one example does not indicate a pattern. Homura's case is also very different from everything else mentioned here.
~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: With Maturi being confirmed to have done that, as well as many girls just randomly pulling stuff out of nowhere (another case is when Riz pulled grief seeds just by reaching into her back when fighting Minou's witch army, but that could have been an actual pocket tbh) it seemed a normal thing.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: If it's only grief seeds being pulled out from apparently nowhere though, I don't think that necessarily implies any kind of generic storage magic. Maybe all magical girls can store grief seeds in some magical pocket, but that doesn't necessarily mean they can store ''anything'' in that pocket. I would say it's unclear whether it's even true for grief seeds, as you could also explain it away as animation shortcuts. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
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<blockquote>The Feathers attack Eve en mass during the AniReco finale.</blockquote>Hmm, I suppose things that the feathers use can reasonably be extrapolated to "any magical girl can learn this". But when exactly did they use energy blasts? My understanding is that the feathers attack by enchanting chains to move according to their will, making it essentially a form of telekinesis, as well as a specific application of enchantments. I don't know how that leads to energy blasts. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: When Eve is bound, as well as flying overhead, the feathers and presumably many girls from Kamihama just shoot glowing projectiles at her. The chains were also just a weapon they could control, but the blasts of magic were done by so many girls that it seems safe to assume anyone can learn to do that. Many magia attacks also have the girls summo orbs or beams of energy regardless as well.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:Hmm, maybe this one is okay. I don't remember this happening but it's been awhile since I watched the Magica Record anime. Although, it seems like an anime-only thing, as I don't think there's any mention of it in the game version of the story. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
::This one seems the most harmless to me. Even the girls' normal attacks often involve some beams, projectiles, bursts of energy, etc. We've seen the energy blasts from every element type in the game, and with how many girls in Kamihama used it in the finale, it does seem very easy. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:00, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>Homura also used the same technique, same with Kyoko</blockquote>When? Though, Homura or Kyoko using it doesn't really prove much.
~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: Homura used it to threaten Sayaka in episode 8, and also used it when hunting Kyubey at the end of episode 10. Kyoko used it in the magia record anime with her hand when helping Iroha get to Yachiyo.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
::…what? I looked at episode 8, but I don't see anything that looks clearly like an energy blast. We see Homura's soul gem glowing, and perhaps it could be reasonable to expect an energy blast to appear, but nothing actually happens, so I think we can't conclude anything definite about what she might have been about to do. Episode 10 is clearer, though I think we can't rule out that it's an enchanted bullet rather than a pure energy blast. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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<blockquote>It was already there when I got to the article, but it is a normal application of magic which has been done many times. Natsuki deliberately learned it, and as you said, Kyoko and Mami also did it. Yuuri did the same thing too.</blockquote>The problem with this one is that all the girls who learn barriers have dramatically different barriers. Kyoko's barrier is made of criss-crossed chains, Mami's is made out of ribbons, and Yuuri's if I recall correctly was some kind of force shield. I don't know what Natsuki's was like. But 4 people creating 4 dramatically different types of barriers doesn't seem like it screams "this is something anyone can learn". It's more of a "they all figured out a way to protect things with the magic they were given". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: I'll add on to every case.
:: Natsuki's is learned and we don't see it. We can safely say that at least she can learn it.
:: Mami's was made out of her ribbons, so we can exclude it as her ribbon magic instead of just a barrier, even though there was a sort of effect around the ribbons clearly indicating a border was there, but I understand not including this.
:: Kyoko's barriers were made from chains, but in the magia record anime, she did also make a sort of protective bubble when helping Iroha.
:: Yuuri's was a force shield which damaged whoever got close, but we ultimately don't know what happens to those who would have touched Natsuki's, Mami's or Kyoko's barriers either.
:: Another case of this that I forgot to mention is Homura herself. When Oriko attacked the school, Homura created a shield around Madoka, which was similarly a bubble shape like Kyoko's (in anireco) and Mami's (in episode 3).
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: I think I do remember something like that in Oriko Magica, though from what I recall it was more like a cylinder than a sphere. That said, since it's Homura, it's not enough to conclude that any magical girl can do it, only that Homura specifically can do it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
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<blockquote>Mami and Kanae are obvious</blockquote>Mami yes, but what exactly is obvious about Kanae? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: Kanae summons clones in her magia attacks.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: I took a look at her Magia attack, but I don't see anything like clones. At most, maybe afterimages from moving really fast. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
::: No, I meant that in her vertical blast attack specifically, she creates two other copies, and all three of them attack at once, each in their own grid. But I don't think it holds weight, since as you said it's not common enough. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:00, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>it's clearly a learned ability that the girls can learn</blockquote>It's not clear at all, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: Mami's and Kanae's abilities were very different. Mami made the clone out of ribbons while Kanae just made them temporarily. They both learned to do that since they couldn't do that from the start. Maybe not every girl can do it, but some can.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: As mentioned above, I don't think Kanae's ability is likely to be clones at all. It looks like a speed ability, not clones. I guess you could technically still call that clones if you want, but ultimately it has almost nothing in common with Mami's or Kyoko's clones. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>these clones were clearly different from Kyoko's phantom clone ability.</blockquote>And this here totally undermines the argument that clones are a common power that any girl can learn. If two (or three) girls develop a clone ability, but each of the three are dramatically different, that doesn't really point to anything common.
~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think the clones were different from each other. I may be misunderstanding, but the clones were all the same in that they were replicas of the original girl which fought for them.
:: Maybe it's better to make a distinction of "theorized, or possible" learnable abilities.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
::: I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. We have 3 girls who have an ability that you describe as "clones". However, when you dig down into the details of how those 3 abilities actually work, they have almost nothing in common. Thus, the 3 abilities are all dramatically different. (I'm not saying the clones themselves are dramatically different from the original girl or anything like that. I'm saying the abilities are different.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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<blockquote>If you look at the battle animations, many girls are able to use it in short bursts.</blockquote>That's a massive stretch. If you're judging from battle animations, there's no way to tell the difference between "teleported" and "moved too fast to see".
<blockquote>And since Suzune was able to learn it with her fire magic,</blockquote>This is the first I've heard of Suzune having any kind of teleport magic. Are you talking about "Heat Haze"? I'm pretty sure that's invisibility, not teleport. The name strongly implies as such as well.
<blockquote>as well as so many battle and magia animations,</blockquote>Again, judging teleportation from the animations is a huge stretch.
~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

: Off the top of my head, here are the girls that clearly teleport (excluding special variants) :
:: Pernelle (that's like her whole thing, but it may be her special magic, so I'll continue with more examples, I also won't mention Minou for obvious reasons)
:: Suzune (her heat haze was explicitly clarified to be a teleportation or escape spell in Suzune event 1 and 2. In the ladder, she randomly ended up near Aimi (I think it was Aimi but it might've been another girl) and Suzune herself was surprised)
:: Anime Mifuyu (it can't be her hallucinations, since she left Kuroe behind in season 2 episode 2.)
:: Amaryllis (she literally made a portal and threw herself through it while encased in her giant dice cube)
:: Alexandra in her animations does it by playing her harp.
:: Yuna's is unclear on whether it was speed or teleporting to me, but I'll leave it as a probably not.
:: It's unclear if Shigure's magia had teleportation or the fast movement as you said, but she's never been shown to be that fast in the story. However, I'll still have this as a no.
::: I think we can trust the animations too, since Himena was flying through the sky in chapter 12, unless you watch her magia, you wouldn't know how she did that.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: This is a very strange list, because it contains girls who clearly can't teleport and also doesn't contain girls who clearly can. I took a look at some of the animations, but I really think they can't be trusted to give an accurate representation of the girl's abilities. You're missing at least Shizuku, Leila, and Coeurl. Anyway, that aside…
:::::Suzune: I have no idea what you mean with "in the ladder". I don't recall a case where she ended up surprised after using Heat Haze to get away, but that in and of itself doesn't prove it to be teleportation. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Mifuyu: I don't see how leaving Kuroe behind proves it's not her hallucinations. Maybe she ''chose'' to leave Kuroe behind. Or maybe Kuroe chose not to follow her. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Amaryllis: I don't remember this (maybe it was in Pillar of Eternity that I haven't watched yet?) but it sounds like unambiguously teleporting, so I'll accept that one.
:::::Alexandra, Yuna, Shigure: These are judged from the animations, where you can't trust the concept of space at all. Appearing right in front of the enemy doesn't necessarily mean they teleported there – the grid-based battlefield is not an accurate representation of each girl's location, so you could easily judge that they and the enemy being targeted just happened to be face-to-face at that moment. I do agree that all three magia animations can easily be interpreted as teleportation, though I'd say Yuna and Shigure give more of a "moved very fast" impression, but it's only weak evidence that they might be able to teleport. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: Some of these are debatable, (especially Mifuyu and Suzune) but I'll relent since it doesn't seem common enough. Plus Hikaru and Yuna both learned new abilities because of their personal magics, but they're just heat resistance and making minions, both very unique and unrelated. Plus Ria predicted the future once, so I ultimately don't think it matters. What they can learn seems pretty subjective to the specific girl in most cases. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:00, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Scene 0 ==

I would say that Scene 0 does not have any map. None of the files you uploaded for it give any indication of what it would actually look like in-game, because all those elements are layered together with parallax to produce the final effect. It ''may'' be worth posting screenshots of Scene 0 from in-game, to show the final look, but the individual elements that make it up (other than ones that have actual content) don't belong on the wiki. We want to show what the game looks like, not rip all the assets and distribute them. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
: Understood. I just saw that the file was changed back to how it was, but the files were missing, so I though I'd add them just in case they changed their mind. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:09, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

== Discord ==

Your Discord acc got hacked, it just sent me some crypto scam [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:09, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
* Yeah I saw that. I changed the password now. I'm really sorry, I didn't do that. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:19, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

== Sections ==

Just a minor note, but when moving text from one section to another, I'd suggest using the edit link at the top of the page rather than making two section edits, so that the add and remove can be seen as a single edit. I realize this can make your work a bit harder, but I think Ctrl+F should mostly cover that… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:26, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

== Thumbnails ==
Excuse me, have you found the Halloween Witch thumbnails like these? I can't find them in the upload log.[[User:Hotaru|Hotaru]] ([[User talk:Hotaru|talk]]) 21:04, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
<Gallery>
File:602002_thumbnail.png
File:602003_thumbnail.png
File:602009_thumbnail.png
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</Gallery>

: I'll look for them, I've just been very busy these past two weeks. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:13, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Hotaru|Hotaru]] ([[User talk:Hotaru|talk]]) 10:50, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

== Some Missing Thumbnails ==

Sorry to bother you, but I noticed that some enemy thumbnails seem to be missing. Could you please help add the following thumbnails?
* 621001 ~ 621015: Blessed Witch and Oscar
* 620006: Chelation Land Mascot (green)
--[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 16:29, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
: May I ask which kind? The ones that are circular or the ones that look like windows? [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:23, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:: circular. --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 10:54, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
::: Here [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 13:54, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
<gallery>
File:620006_thumbnail.png
File:621001_thumbnail_1.png
File:621002_thumbnail_1.png
File:621003_thumbnail_1.png
File:621004_thumbnail.png
File:621005_thumbnail.png
File:621006_thumbnail.png
File:621007_thumbnail.png
File:621008_thumbnail.png
File:621009_thumbnail.png
File:621010_thumbnail.png
File:621011_thumbnail.png
File:621012_thumbnail.png
File:621013_thumbnail.png
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File:621015_thumbnail.png
</gallery>
:::: thanks!! --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 03:19, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
::::: ofc. Tell me whenever another one is missing. I may have missed a few. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:19, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:Im not fully sure but since Momoko is a boss in Commoner's Horse, and you uploaded a full sprite of her ([[:File:101401 original.png]]) along with Rena, Kaede, the Amanes, Oriko and Kirika, does that mean that Touka and Holy Mami have those too? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:12, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Unfortunately no. There are for other enemies but those seven are the only complete sprites for the human characters. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:38, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

Coming here again cause you missed some before, so when you upload the new files from today's update you dont miss these.
* All the [[Minor Characters/Magia Exedra#Soldier|Soldier icons]]
* [[Zakuro]]'s icon
- [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:28, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

: Here, let me know if I've missed any ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 17:07, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

Coming here again, currently all ''Crépuscule de La Reine'' sprites and icons are missing, and I also forgot to mention last time that Raspberry's Nightmare form sprite and icon is missing. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:14, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

: Done, I think. Let me know if I've missed any. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:02, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

Idk if they're just missing, but you missed Izabel's Apex and Apex Overdrive form sprites (and icons obv), you did upload the Apex labyrinths and some of her textures so that's why I'm asking if you couldnt find them. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:56, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
: I must've missed them. I uploaded them now ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:27, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

== Upload request ==

[[File:Banner 00173 en-Latn.png|thumb]]
Could you upload all of the Exedra Event banners? I've changed [[Magia Exedra Events]] to use the portraits as the event images, but I think these banners would fit way better, right now we only have the banner for the first part of Crescent Memoria. (While you're at it pls upload the Serene Symbiosis portrait from the Doppel Mami event, I uploaded it but since I just grabbed it off of the Exedra wiki it has a different file name than the others, so pls upload it with the correct file name) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:39, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
: The files for the new event haven't been added to the database I use yet (don't wanna say in case THEY'RE listening), otherwise I would have implemented them. The only one I was able to find is the photo item. It's possible that it will update with the next event and in that case I'll upload it then. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 18:13, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
::Okay I'll be more patient, otherwise thank you ^^. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:27, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
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This is a very random request, but could you upload the texture files for the Tower and Upgrade Quests Windows?
<gallery>
File:WinchesterWindow.png
File:10^-43 Window.jpg
</gallery>
I remember you uploading the texture of one of the Scene 0 windows (deleted now), so I know they're ''somewhere'', I wanna try(?) arranging them so that we can have them with transparent backgrounds (since its just me arranging textures off of screenshots it won't be very accurate, but if this is our only way of getting them now, I wanna do it). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:22, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

I just remembered something I wanted to also ask for- When Witches are in Score Attacks, their Witch Kiss is displayed in the Score Attack menu, and I know that when Uwasa are Score Attack bosses Uwasa-san's face is displayed there. I know that the "emblem" files are tied to the Chamber of Light, and that the Uwasa don't have Uwasa-san's face there, so is there a way to get that file of somehow? It would be a nice addition to the Enemy pages. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:08, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

: I found these (I couldn't find the third Uwasa icon, I looked everywhere it's just nonexistent). I'll look for the score attack stuff in the meantime, though if I could get the file names for anything in score attack that has been uploaded, it will be easier. Until then, these are all I could find ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:40, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

::Thank you! I don't remember a SINGLE thing that's unique to the Score attacks that has been uploaded here, so I have no idea what the file names could be, but thank you so much again. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 11:00, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

[[File:Corbeau Memory Window.png|thumb]]
: Coming back here cause I realized, if its possible to get Witch Kisses from the windows (Like you did with Winchester's Kiss), could you get the Witch's Kiss from Corbeau's Window? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:51, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
::Seems like it'd be possible, but it might be a little difficult to erase the line down the centre... does Corbeau not have a witch kiss elsewhere, like from the Score Attack? (Oh, but if it's a texture file, perhaps the line won't be in the actual image, so you could be lucky. On the other hand, textures are sometimes at a weird angle, so who knows.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:26, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
::: I recall finding and uploading the icon in the past. If it's not in the files, I'll look for it. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:47, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
::: Apparently it only exists on this: [[File:20801001.png|50px]], but not on its own, not even as part of the assets for the windows. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:08, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
:::: Aw T-T. Well, thank you for checking anyway. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:50, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

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Here again. You just uploaded the files for the 100 Episodes MagiEtc event, but unlike the previous MagiEtc stories, you found the text-image files too. I already fused the text-image files with the background files and it looks really good. My question is, do those text-image files exist for Lighthouse Stamp Rally and Madoka-senpai's Heartphial story? If they do, please either upload them, and I'll get to fusing them (you already uploaded the background images so dont bother with those), or do it yourself and upload the fusions as new versions of the previously uploaded ones (dw, I'm up for doing it, I'm just sure it would be a bother for someone to have to delete all of them later ;-;). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:22, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

Oh wait while I'm already here, please also upload the Event Banner for [[Magia Exedra Event - Moments to Myself|Moments to Myself]], as you missed it and two frames of Lighthouse Stamp Rally, their names (should be) [[:File:Adv item mainbg 18 2.png]] and [[:File:Adv item mainbg 18 3.png]]. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:24, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

: I'll try to find them. I'm using an old laptop siince my normal one died, so every process takes a long loading time. I also don't have my editing/drawing programs here so I can't fuse anything (it's why I haven't made the enemy renders or the Scene 0 maps), sorry about that. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:03, 18 August 2026 (UTC)

:: Were you not able to find them? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 02:20, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

::: Done. I also found a more efficient way of getting the files. Hallelujah. I think I uploaded some previously deleted files unfortunately. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:32, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

:::: Yeah there's a lot to delete... But whatever right now I'm happy that I was able to do all of that, thank you! Also in the future maybe we should think of a way to share files without immediately uploading them onto the wiki ;-; - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:16, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

::::: I'll try to be more careful from now on, but my discord name is sweet_beanie ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 13:50, 19 August 2026 (UTC)
::::::When you use MsUpload you need to actually scan the list of files it shows you before you click "upload", to make sure you're not overwriting something you shouldn't overwrite (like with this last time you reverted TheresaFrog's addition of text to the 100 Episodes files). From what I recall when I last used it, you can cancel specific files in the list if you need to. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:45, 20 August 2026 (UTC)

== Timelines Ready ==

Putting this here cause idk if you're caught up on the timelines talk page, the list is "done". We agreed to just fuse Darc into Historical, same for Kazumi and Suzune into the "prelude" of the timelines. We also agreed that if any of them are big enough they could deserve their own pages, but not right now. We don't really know what to do with the Kirara Magica stuff as we decided that Other/Alt doesnt really have a reason to exist when Magia Exedra/Other does, Celtic said that they would rather decide after the articles are made. The last thing is that the nightmare stories from Exedra should go into either Original/Other or Magia Record/Other depending on where they happen, as they're "posibilities", which yeah means theyre not really canon but they still fit into those universes, as theyre posibilities. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:34, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
: Understood. I am very busy irl for the moment but I should e free tomorrow and I'll get to it, as well as finding the files of the latest exedra update. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:31, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
: So to make sure I understand correctly, this is the list right? If not just edit it and I'll do it tomorrow. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:57, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Yes that's what we ended up with. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:02, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
::: Sorry, but I reverted it. You just cut-and-pasted the content from one page to the other, instead of using the Move function (which is available to all users by the way, under "More"). For now I've moved all the Timelines articles to Timeline; you can redo the rest from there when you find the time. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:22, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
:::: Well dont just delete them, there's been changes that are lost and have to be redone now, plus some pages will have to be cut-and-pasted anyway like Magireco/Historical and Magireco/Prelude (cause right now theyre one page, and you cant really move one page to 2). Atleast move some of the pages yourself since you can move them without leaving redirects. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 23:50, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
::::: Yeah, some of them couldn't have just been moved, but those that could have been should have been. And nothing has been lost, for the record – if there's something that's really difficult to redo, I can recover it.
::::: Are there any right now that should be moved without leaving redirects? That is, their content will be the same (or mostly the same) but their final name will be different? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:55, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::Im not really sure just how many there are to move? A lot of the ones you already moved still seem to have that issue of "being just copy pasted instead of moved" like [[Timeline/Magia Record Game/Arc 1]] -> [[Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 1]]. Same goes for the individual timeline articles that got later fused into a single Scene 0 article. I just think its too much trouble trying to preserve the history when its so messy. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:03, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It's true that perfectly preserving all the history isn't really feasible, since there's no concept of "merge" or "split" in the wiki's diff system, but we shouldn't actively work against it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:08, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I mean yeah you're right, but this feels like too much, Imo you should just undelete/revert the pages, like yes history is important, it helps to see what person wrote what, but I don't really think its worth this much trouble when a lot of the history will be lost anyway. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:11, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I deleted all the ones that were requested for deletion, and moved their talk pages to appropriate places. Other than that, I probably won't do anything more today, but I ''will'' look over the diffs of the deleted pages later to make sure nothing crucial was lost. So if you want to hold off on redoing anything that's not a straight and simple copy-paste until I get to that, feel free. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, I think you should just undelete the ones that would have to be copy and pasted anyway, those are:
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Original/Prelude]]
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Magia Record/Prelude]]
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Magia Report]]
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Magia Record/Other]]
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Magia Record/Anime]]
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Magia Exedra/Other]]
::::::::::Each one of these was split off from an article that was big, now I think you should move:
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Miscellaneous]] -> [[Timeline/Original/Other]] OR [[Timeline/Miscellaneous]] -> [[Timeline/Other]] (depending on where you want the history)
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Original]] -> [[Timeline/Original/Historical]] OR leave it like it is and undelete [[Timeline/Original/Historical]] (depending on where you want the history)
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Magia Record]] -> [[Timeline/Magia Record/Historical]] OR leave it like it is and undelete [[Timeline/Magia Record/Historical]] (depending on where you want the history)
::::::::::- [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:01, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::: Okay, I undeleted the ones you listed. If I understand correctly, the three you've listed as "either move or undelete" are cases where big articles were split in half. Am I right on this point? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:20, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: Yes, you still have to move Timeline/Original and Timeline/Miscellaneous, idk how it works but if you can, undelete the versions you deleted of [[Timeline/Original]] and [[Timeline/Other]] (after moving). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:07, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::: That's done. I assume some things need to be deleted from the moved pages… anything else? I did restore some content onto a few other pages as well (and am still slowly working through that). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:37, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: There's still pages to delete - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::* [[Timeline/Original/Different Story]]
::::::::::::::* [[Timeline/Law of Cycles/Wraith Arc]]
::::::::::::::* [[Timeline/Original/Oriko]]
::::::::::::::: Also Timeline/Original was different as I recall. Specifically in its split & parallel timelines section. As it is now it's inaccurate to the current setup. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:49, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Done. I can see there are still some differences between the current [[Timeline]] page and the previous revision, so I'll dump that at [[User:Sweet Beanie/Timeline]] since I'm not sure which version is better. As for <s>Timeline/Original</s>, it looks like it's mostly just reordered, but I'll take another look at it. Are there any other pages with missing parts that I should look up? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:52, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::: Other than that, it seems fine. Thank you ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:55, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Timeline/Original wasn't the one I was thinking of that seemed reordered. It was Timeline/Original/Other. Timeline/Original was directly undeleted after renaming the previous revision to Timeline/Original/Historical, so it should be exactly the same; and if there's something missing it would be in Historical. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:58, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::::::::::: Yeah, no. I did everything right for the splits and the content changes, though I'll grant I should have used Move for the simple renames, they'd still be too few. No, most of the pages couldn't have used the MOVE function since they needed to be split, changed and sorted again, reference tables needed to be created, links needed to be fixed, navigation tables, I found a couple of typos, etc. You'd see the information wasn't the exact same if you took the time to look through them. Even through the numbers in the recent changes page, you could see that what was added from one article was different from what was removed from another article. I worked for more than 3 hours yesterday to make sure they were all corrected, now I can't even see what I did since they're entirely deleted. Not to mention the big mess that will need to be fixed now that the Arc 2 reference links are shortened. Was your plan to have me do them again but this time use the move function and have the end result be the exact same, or did you genuinely not look through them? Return my articles to how I left them yesterday. It's absolutely disheartening to see something you did out of pure passion and love for a piece of media to be deleted and then be told to do it again. I wanted the information archived and available for the public so they can understand the franchise better and now it's entirely gone. Return the articles to how I left them yesterday, because I'm not doing this again. I don't even know where I'd find the original files and writing I used anymore and I'm not gonna go look. You could have literally waited a bit, asked, commented them out, or anything other than delete them entirely. Undelete them. Thank you in advance. I'll be back when I see them restored, or at least backed up somewhere where I can access them so I can use that much beloved Move function properly. Have a good day. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:40, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Okay I did all I could, Im pretty sure the pages look ''almost'' identical to the originals, but obv that cant be 100%. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::: I'm confused as to why they couldn't just be restored or backed up somewhere. Celtic has access to them, no? ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:50, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

[[Community:Timeline]]

[[Timeline]]

├── [[Timeline/Original]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Original/Historical]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Original/Prelude]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Original/Scene 0]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Original/Final]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Law of Cycles]]

│ └── [[Timeline/Devil]]

├── [[Timeline/Magia Record]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Magia Record/Historical]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Magia Record/Prelude]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 1]]

│ └── [[Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 2]]

│ └── [[Timeline/Magia Exedra]]

├── [[Timeline/Other]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Null]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Magia Report]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Original/Other]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Magia Record/Other]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Magia Record/Anime]]

│ └── [[Timeline/Magia Exedra/Other]]

== Timeline Pages Question ==

I think some of the placements on the Magia Record timeline pages are wrong (though not as much as there used to be), am i allowed to just edit them or would the changes have to go through you first, just want to make sure ~ [[User:KyoSayaRulzRB|KyoSayaRulzRB]] ([[User talk:KyoSayaRulzRB|talk]])

:Yeah of course. I don't mean to hog the pages by any means and I appreciate people contributing to it.
: For Arc 1: The general method of organization on the pages are that if any events, like let's say the hypothetical Evil Sana Event to have an example, happen during the intermediate period where Mikazuki is together, but the Magius still exist, they're positioned by a general sense of time compared to the seasonal events, as well as other events that are close to them in order of release. Same things apply for Post-Arc 1. Since we don't know when they happen in relation to other events, their sections have the event names for that reason. I'll get to it eventually but every header will say something about it, like: "this event takes place at a point after Sana had very recently joined the Mikazuki Villa" or "This event was released after the Evil Felicia Event and the Evil Rena Event, thus it has been positioned between them here."
: In general just keep watch for
# Are both Sana and the Magius active (If yes, Intermediate period)
# Is Ui active (If yes, Post-Arc 1)
# Is Iroha or the Mikazuki team active (If not, then /Prologue)
# Are any Arc 2 elements or characters mentioned (If not, then it de factos to Post-Arc 1)
: For Arc 2: The story is a lot more tightly knit, so that's why I put them all in the Unknown Placement section. With the Mixed Summer event, it's becoming easier to determine the time of the year each part takes place in. If we're lucky, the Unknown Placement section keep being smaller and smaller, though with things like the Kimochi Raids, I suspect it'll at least have that as part of it.
: For Arc 2, keep watch for:
# the state of Alina
# Are Ikumi and/or Ryo alive
# If Mitama and Kanagi are still good guys
# Is Himena thought dead or not
# The opinion of Yuna and Ao towards KMU
# Have Touka and Nemu detonated yet
: I'll keep adding stuff to it as I go along, like the smaller stories that take place between everything, but I needed to get a sense of the passage of time first, especially for Arc 1.
~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:39, 5 August 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you, i do have a suggestion of where the Holiday events for Arc 2 would go
:::Post Arc 1: 2019 Halloween and Christmas Events + 2020 New Years and Valentines Events
:::Part 1: 2020 Summer Events
:::Part 2: 2020 & 2021 Halloween and Christmas Events + 2021 & 2022 New Years Events
:::Part 3: 2021 & 2022 Valentines Events
:::Part 5: 2021 & 2022 Summer Events
::Hope this is useful ~ [[User:KyoSayaRulzRB|KyoSayaRulzRB]] ([[User talk:KyoSayaRulzRB|talk]])

::: Thank you so much. You have no idea how much time you saved me omg (;_;). I made a list of just the events, I hope it makes sense, but if there's any issues in that one please let me know, the events all have the release dates and I followed your instructions on them (side note, it is easier to see if you're editing the section instead of reading it as a wiki user. Also no need to say, but feel free to edit the section too, I'm all out of steam for today) The section: [[User:Sweet Beanie/Sorting#Outline]]. Again, thank you so much. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 14:26, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

== Timelines Update ==

So what's the status on the timelines pages? I can see they're still being heavily edited, but they still haven't been cut down to a usable size. The Magia Record pages in particular are ridiculously huge. I can see most of the progress bars are almost full, so will you be cutting them down soon? To be honest, aside from Homura's loops, I think it could even make sense to cut out 100% of the exposition on these pages and reduce them to little more than a list of links in the order they most likely occurred. Maybe there's a good reason to leave in some summaries, but what we have now is mostly way too big for a timeline page – all this exposition should either be moved to pages for the relevant event or (if that page already has the information) deleted. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:59, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
: Yes of course! Now that the order for Arc 1 and Arc 2 has been decided(and we know how many years have passed), I think it's fine to have some of the more "filler-y" events be listed as just links, but this brings up some questions/things to do:

: 1. Question: Should the lists of the events each have a dedicated header? I'm leaning towards not, they can just be paragraphs like: "Events taking place during/after this time" or something like that. We'd also need a template for that.
: 2. Question: Since we now know how many years pass, should Arc 1 and Arc 2 have big sections like "First Year," "Second Year" and so on? That's how Prelude has it. And when we go from Arc 1 to Arc 2, do we keep the number, or will Arc 2 start from year 1 again? I think that if we decide to use years, we should do the latter and not start from another year 1 for Arc 2.
:: 2.1. And since Arc 1 starts from the day Iroha comes to Kamihama, which is sometime in Spring, should we put the parts after new years, but before Iroha arrives in Prelude or Arc 1? For each case, what should that section be called?
: 3. Thing to do: We should decide what stories to keep and what to remove besides the Main Story. For example, I believe all story parts that don't have their own event title header and are spread out should be kept (So this would mean keeping something like Wings in the Wind, whose story spreads out all throughout Arc 1, but we can remove filler events like Akari's Event). But I think we should keep important events, like Memory Drops and Dependence Blue. I think these are important for a clear understanding of what's happening.
: 3.1. Notably, since it's a timeline page, I vote we keep everything that involves time stuff, like the Tart events. I also think that events split in half should be kept, like for example Voices From Beyond, which has a part in the past and a part in a later point.
: 4. Thing to do: For the event pages, we should add sections in them (with links) that says something like "This is where x story takes place" kinda like how Summer With Mikazuki has a dedicated part that explains "Day 4 is where Swimsuit Iroha's Side Story takes place." We can even prepare a template to use for cohesion.
: 5. Once these are decided, I/we can proceed with making events into lists and also filling up some of the empty event pages, however I'd ask to hold off on Magia Record/Prelude for a bit more since we're still trying to figure out where some of its parts go. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:57, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
:: 1. This idea seems good to me.
:: 2. I'm not sure on this one. I haven't been monitoring things that closely, but I didn't think the main story arcs stretched over more than one year? You seem to be implying that the story takes several years, which doesn't seem to make much sense. It's probably impossible to really come to a definitive conclusion though (since the authors don't seem to care about chronology). There may be evidence that the events have to span multiple years, but if Hinano or Kanagi's graduation never happens, that's evidence that they can't span more than a year, which would be a contradiction. (This is excluding the flash-forward, of course.)
:: 3. Well, everything should be kept as at least a link. Any event that has a direct impact on the main story, such as Wings in the Wind, could still have some presence in the synopsis though. Events that are spread out in time would have links at each point they appear (possibly together with some synopsis, if they're important).
:: 4 & 5. Sounds good. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:44, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

::: Okay I did a big part of it. The entries that require some more changes than just removing and then listing them will be done tomorrow since I'll be sleeping, and I don't want their order messed up. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 19:07, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

:::: It already looks much better. I think the main story is also much too verbose though. It would be nice if each chapter could be reduced to at most two paragraphs or maybe around 5-20 bullet points. We would of course link to the full chapter details regardless. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:36, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

::::: On the plan as well, just want to make sure the Arc 2 chapters are full first since they're some of the most chaotic pages on the wiki. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:41, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

== Cleaning up Exedra files ==

There's a LOT of exedra images that share filenames, and it creates problems (as I'm sure youve noticed when you upload files T^T), would you be up for trying to start something like a standard for how we name the files based on what they are? I think you've already tried it when you uploaded Kriemhild Fausut's Chamber of Light image 3 times with specific filenames. The reason I'm asking you is because I know you upload most files, and if we did do this you would have to watch out for this while uploading them, and I don't wanna cause you extra trouble ;-;. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:33, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

: Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know about those. Exedra has a habit of quietly deleting files then bringing them back with a different name, or just renaming them. Plus when the same image is used in different contexts, like tower vs memory window, when I upload in bulk, I forget what was and what wasn't already there, or assume this new one is different. I will use more common names and try to guess what exists and what doesn't. I may also ask on talk pages before proceeding if I think a photo does exist. Right now, the most common thing that happens is that a character's unit thumbnail, their 3d character thumbnail, and their live2d thumbnail will all have the same name, so I've taken to adding a _1 or -1 at the end to differentiate, but I don't have a system in mind like "which one gets _1".. it's usually just the ones I do in order so they don't cause conflicts when uploading. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:03, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

:: So yeah my question is, would it be worth it to make a system like that? I think there's 3 groups of files that share names:
<gallery>
File:1003 thumbnail c.png|1003 thumbnail c
File:1003 thumbnail.png|1003 thumbnail

File:101002 thumbnail 3d.png|101002 thumbnail 3d
File:101003 thumbnail 2d.png|101002 thumbnail 2d
File:101002 thumbnail.png|101002 thumbnail

File:600001 thumbnail c.png|600001 thumbnail c
File:600001 thumbnail.png|600001 thumbnail
</gallery>

::Because of how common the icons are for enemies, I think it should be okay if they stay with their file names. The Chamber of light images for both Magical Girls and Witches could share a letter, as they both serve the same purpose. And lastly the dollhouse models could just use 3D and 2D at the end of their names. If you have any better ideas please tell me. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 08:21, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

:::I do think the Dollhouse files should have some kind of suffix, but maybe only the 2D ones need one? It seems like once the Live2D screenshots get uploaded, the 2D Dollhouse images usually get deleted anyway (?), so we'd eventually end up with just the 3D thumbnails left, but still have a bunch of filenames with "3D" stuck on the end. --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 09:01, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

:::: But that leaves the Magical Girl-Enemy icons, or atleast only Uwasa Tsuruno's as it has to have the extra '''02''' because for some reason Exedra decided to go against a system they set themself... The other enemy icons for Magical Girl-Enemies are either the same as their character icon, or are under unique ids (Holy Mami and Devil Homura). And if we format icons like that, imagine just how many Enemy-Enemy icons would have to be changed too. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:09, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

:So is it a no? T^T - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:57, 3 September 2026 (UTC)

:: No I'm all for it, but I'd like for there to be a naming system. The Dollhouse girls using _2d and _3d at the end is good, but idk if I should change the rest from their default names. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:44, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

::: Why not for the others too? In my head it would be smth like <code>1003 thumbnail l.png</code>, just maybe a letter that makes sense cause this one is random. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:25, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

:::: I can do that too. I just need a reference. Can you edit the titles of the photos here (the ones without Kimono Tsuruno) and I will use those as reference from now on. Feel free to add any if you want to. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 14:19, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

::::: Okay, thank you! I'll get to moving them into their new names in a sec. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:32, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

::::: Finally finished moving every file, I still need to change a LOT of pages to adjust but atleast this is done. If this system is followed correctly by everyone who uploads these files, then duplicate files should be way less common. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:01, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Let's hope so! Since I'm usually the one deleting those duplicates. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:14, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

: By the way, is there a 3D character thumbnail file for Name (maybe 113401 thumbnail.png)? She's in the Dollhouse, and we already have her 2D file, but I haven't seen the 3D one uploaded yet. --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 21:13, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

:: I'll check. Thanks for providing the name. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:59, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

: I wanna ask for a file too, in the tower Glasses Homura is a fightable enemy, does she get an icon? (the same way Holy Mami, Devil Homura and Uwasa Tsuruno all got icons because they're fightable). If she does then make sure to blank the page that already exists with that name, cause I'm sure it will be either [[:File:100202 thumbnail.png]] or [[:File:100201 thumbnail.png]]. Tbf the tower doesnt even come out until Magia Day, but you already uploaded other files from it, so I'm unsure. Also while I'm here, could you find a render of Nighthawk from the bingo missions? I saw it on a video of someone finishing a full bingo and it seems perfect for the infobox, but its okay if you cant find it. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:52, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

:: Nighthawk may be hard since idk if their id'd be used for the bingo photo, but I'll try. Also as far as I recall these were the only photos for the MG Tower but I'll see if I missed something. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 18:31, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

::: Yes this is the one I was talking about, thank you so much! - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:54, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
<gallery>
File:BingoMissionResultCharacterImage02.png
</gallery>

:::: No problem. I can't believe I missed it. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 18:55, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Kyubey

2026-09-30T13:52:45Z

Celtic Minstrel: /* Second Growth Stage */

==Redirection==
Requesting name change to Kyubey. reason : [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu5-_UmmHQ4] [[User:Mic2070|Mic2070]] 10:38, 24 January 2011 (CST)
:Anyone object this? Otherwise I'm going to move it. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:53, 24 January 2011 (CST)
::Go for it --[[User:MomoiroKakarichou|MomoiroKakarichou]] 15:02, 26 January 2011 (CST)

I'll just leave this here ◕‿‿◕

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／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

Shouldn't we add somewhere that he uses telepathy?

I only today realized that the page was renamed from ''Kyuubey'' to ''Kyubey'' recently. Just finished updating the spelling everywhere. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:44, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

==Multiple Kyubeys/Respawning Kyubey==
I remember there was quite a lot of speculah as to whether there is only one Kyubey, or multiple 'Kyubey' clones. Since it's mentionned in the 'Obervsations' section, I wondered if that theory has been mentionned in one of the articles? If so, it should be a good idea to add a link here. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 21:23, 24 February 2011 (UCT)
:Maybe I overlooked it, but I couldn't found any article stating about respawning QB. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 22:06, 24 February 2011 (UCT)
::I'm not sure about the respawning, but I think mutiple instances of QBe has been discussed at some point (hence the 'Kyubey Army' image macro). It may not be on the wiki though. I'll look for it in depths tomorrow if nobody's done it before, I have stuff to do now (like sleeping, for example) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 22:11, 24 February 2011 (UCT)
::What's this about him being a cat? I don't think he looks like a cat. I think he looks like a little demonspawn.
--

=="Familiar"==
I'm not really sure where the term "familiar" comes from in his description? --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 02:30, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Incidentally, [http://www.kyubey.jp/ Kyubey] is the romanization of the name of a restaurant in Ginza, Tokyo. --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 03:09, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:Where's that "familiar" you're talking about in this article? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 03:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::The [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/index.php?title=Kyuubey&oldid=5052 diff] before I edited it, at the top. I replaced it with Mahou no Shisha, per the description on his official chara profile. --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 03:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
::Also, in plot synopsis on main page, the "there exist familiars" part obviously refers to Kyubey and possibly others of his kind. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 03:18, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:::Edited. Though, again, I'm not sure where "familiars" came from. It seems like it's always been there, but nobody ever noticed. In any case, it's not really accurate. --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 03:20, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

== Energy ==

the article states that he needs energy for the earth. But as i understood he is an alien who needs energy for his planet and stores the energy that get´s released while using magic or transform into witches.

Anonymous: In actuality, he needs energy for the entire universe. Even though the show's understanding of thermodynamics is flawed (the amount of usable energy in the universe will decrease over time, but not the total amount of energy), we can't treat Earth or any other planet as a closed system; thus, when Kyuubey says "sekai" (I think that's the word he used?), he's almost definitely referring to the universe as a whole.

--picture-
the mangaka of kuroshitsuji actually made a fanart crossover of kyubey and sebastian http://d-6th.com/blog/images/110217_qseba.jpg
quite ironic since sebastian also has a faustian pact with ciel and will rip his (ciel´s) soul of as payment to fullfill his wish

== Contract ==
Fight with witches it's a part of the contract? Or contract mean only become to puella magi? [[User:A|A]] 06:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
: Kyubey is incredibly vague about the contract, so it's unclear if puellae magi ''must'' fight witches outside of ensuring their own survival (as they need Grief Seeds to counteract the corruption caused by the use of magic and/or the build-up of negative emotions). I suppose a girl could contract, get her wish, and never fight witches, but she would likely end up a witch herself very soon. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 18:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

== Gender ==
*On the Blu-ray commentary it was pointed by [[Gen Urobuchi]] that Kyubey has no gender.
**Does that mean that the references to Kyuubee on this wiki should be neutralised, ze/zie/sie instead of he/she? Might even help more people become aware of gender neutrality among humans! - [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/index.php?title=Kyubey&curid=17&diff=42969&oldid=42520] 08:16, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
:::The problem with that is they aren't in common dictionaries and aren't standard English. [[User:KM|KM]] 09:09, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
::::Not to mention it would be a nightmare, since we will have to hunt down every page that mentions Kyubey as "he". Personally I would let it be as it is since the girls think of Kyubey as a "he" even if "it" thinks of itself as being genderless...--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:06, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::Kyubey refers himself using "Boku" so i think he consider himself as male [[User:Kimidori|Kimidori]] 10:29, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::Only in "human terms" to make it easy for the girls when they are addressing to him. I dont think Kyubey thinks of iself personally as a "he"... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::Isn't "boku" kind of gender-neutral? I mean, I was taught that it can be used by anyone and tends to be the default in gender-neutral song lyrics. It's pretty commonly used this way in anime and manga. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 02:05, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::::In recent times, they grudgingly allow it (like the use of a universal "he"), but this is unlikely to be proper Japanese. For example, Kyon, in the Haruhi light novels makes a big point of how Sasaki refers to herself with the pronoun "boku", which gives her a tomboyish feel. [[User:Iruel|Iruel]] 03:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::::It's proper Japanese for young people in casual situations in the real world, and is becoming more prevalent among girls around the age of Madoka and company. Anime and manga may emphasize the former status of "boku" as a male-only pronoun as a quick-and-easy way of characterization: "She uses 'boku,' so we can tell that she's a 'tomboy' without wasting a lot of time on extra dialogue!" Personal pronouns and other indicators of gentle/harsh speech are often used this way in Japanese fiction, but shouldn't be understood as indicative of how people on the street actually talk. (In normal Japanese speech, it's actually common to almost never use personal pronouns at all! "I," "you," and so on can often be inferred from context alone.) A girl who uses "boku" in the real world wouldn't necessarily be considered masculine -- it all depends on her personality and the context in which she uses it.

::::::::So far as Kyuubey is concerned, "boku" may be useful just because of the social status it implies: the standard "watashi" is slightly formal (and would put Kyuubey on the same level as the girls), "watakushi" would be too humble, and "ore" would be too harsh. Any of the less-common pronouns would lend unwanted additional flavor to Kyuubey's speech, since -- as I wrote above -- they're more often used as characterization shortcuts in fictional works. "Boku" allows Kyuubey to keep relations with the girls casual and congenial, while slightly insinuating that he's on a higher social level than them (that is, he can afford to talk down to them).

::::::::Also, CrownClown: I think "boku" tends to be used more often in song lyrics simply because it's easier to fit in, mora-wise! :D [[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.110|64.89.144.110]] 03:13, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

====Fan-Video====

Features Kyubey getting ripped to shreads , pretty well made. [[User:Espeon|Espeon]] 20:53, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

==When was this stated?==
*I read under the unproven theories section that Kyubey states early in the series that he cannot bring dead people back to life. I've just watched the entire series through recently, and not only did I not catch on to that, but that goes against certain events in the first audio drama and The Different Story, in which he revives a cat and Sayaka respectively. If I did in fact miss anything he might have said, would someone please point it out? [[User:McKnight|McKnight]]
** A friend of mine also once said that the same thing is mentioned during the final timeline, which is presumably the anime's finale, but I've re-watched that whole episode in particular just shortly afterwards, and there isn't ''anything'' said about wishes in general. [[User:McKnight|McKnight]]

== Tokime name ==

I really don't think it makes sense to spell it as "Lord Kyūbē". The ''kanji'' chosen have no meaning, they're just taken for their sound. It's about equivalent to deciding to spell "Sayaka" as "Sayaca" or "Niko" as "Nico"; my guess is that the intent is to give it an "archaic" feel, but I think "lord" already gets that across. I don't have any better ideas, though. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:58, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

: Until we get an official translation, it's best for us to pick a common and consistent one. Magia Union Translations doesn't have a monopoly on MagiReco translations, but they're by far the biggest group who does that. As of right now, someone who experienced MagiReco Arc 2 story in English is by far likeliest to experience it through their translations specifically. It makes no sense for us to use a random translation nobody else uses. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:29, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

: Since the kanji is different, we might as well have a placeholder until Exedra catches up and probably proves us wrong by one letter or something. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:03, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

: i'm not sure why there seems to be an issue with "lord kyūbē." no, it is not equivalent to just randomly deciding to spell "sayaka" as "sayaca" -- i did not work on green jasper diviners but "lord kyūbē" was chosen because ''it is spelled oddly in japanese as well''. without the text to reference off of, yes, 久兵 does sound like キュゥべえ -- just like "kyūbē" would sound like "kyubey" if you were only going by ear. but with the text, we know that's not how they spell it; they spell it as 久兵. hence, to be loyal to this, "kyubey" is rendered instead as "kyūbē" -- it stays true to the fact that the tokime spell kyubey's name in a way that is different from how everyone else does it; it emphasizes their isolation from wider "magical girl" culture. "lord kyubey", in my opinion, does ''not'' do this. "lord" shows a cultural difference, but it simply shows respect; it does not feel "archaic." until exedra gives us an official term to use, i'm with epf on this one; i don't know why we shouldn't use mut's rather widely-accepted fan tls on the wiki in the absence of official sources. there is no need to reinvent the wheel and cause needless confusion. i apologize if this seems harsh, but i just really do not understand the fuss. [[User:Onitora|Onitora]] ([[User talk:Onitora|talk]]) 18:47, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

: If the only goal is for them to "spell it differently", there are tons of other options that look less "wrong" in English text. English does not use macrons, ever. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:55, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

:: Go ahead and share. But let me reiterate - what is the benefit of having a translation nobody else uses? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 20:13, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

::: i hate to revive an old topic, but romanized japanese text ''does'' use macrons -- the proper romanization for 妖怪 is not "yokai" or "youkai", it's yōkai. 久兵 is not an english word, so modern english words not typically using macrons does not matter. and to echo epf, there is no benefit to using a localization that nobody else in the fandom would recognize. [[User:Onitora|Onitora]] ([[User talk:Onitora|talk]]) 23:07, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

:::: First, let me say that there's absolutely no problem with "reviving" an old topic.
:::: Secondly, this is false:
:::: <blockquote>the proper romanization for 妖怪 is not "yokai" or "youkai", it's yōkai</blockquote>
:::: There is not "one single" proper romanization. Both "youkai" and "yōkai" are proper; "yokai" is not though, as it doesn't fully convey the original kana.
:::: Thirdly, when using foreign words in English prose, it is very uncommon to write diacritics (with the exception of diaresis), unless the context is formal or educational. In other words, it's not normal to force a "proper" romanization in casual prose. Thus in that context it's acceptable to write either "yokai" or "youkai", even though "yokai" isn't really a proper romanization.
:::: The context here is sort of borderline between one where you'd tend to omit diacritics and one where you want a proper romanization, though. I'd prefer to use something that makes sense in casual prose, but I can't say it's downright ''wrong'' to include the macrons.
:::: But, there is also another issue. This isn't a place for a ''transcription''. It's a place for a ''translation''. And "Kyūbē" is absolutely not a translation. A translation attempts to convey the same meaning in the target language as it conveyed in the source language. From my understanding, in Japanese the odd spelling conveys a sense that it's "archaic"; but "Kyūbē" does absolutely nothing in English to convey a sense that it's "archaic". Thus, as a translation, it's a very poor choice.
:::: I can see the argument for not using a localization that's unique to the wiki, though (and that's also why I chose ''not'' to share alternatives when EPF invited me to). For now, I'll just hope that the official Exedra localization does something more sensible – then we can switch all instances to use that instead and relegate this odd choice to mere historical footnote.
:::: ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:47, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
==Second Growth Stage==
<blockquote>
Kyubey collects raw energy from a source that seems to be excepted from entropy: the emotions of girls in their second growth stage (14-18).
</blockquote>
Were the numbers namedropped directly in some version? The Exedra version just says this
<blockquote class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed">
Kyubey: Our civilization created technology...

Kyubey: ...that could convert the emotions of a sentient lifeform into raw energy.

Kyubey: Unfortunately...

Kyubey: Our species do not possess the capacity to experience emotion.

Kyubey: So we studied various species throughout the universe...

Kyubey: ...until, finally, we found you humans.

Kyubey: With the size of your population and the rate of reproduction...

Kyubey: ...the amount of emotional energy produced by a single human...

Kyubey: ...is greater than the amount used between its birth and growth.

Kyubey: Human souls truly are the energy source that could counter entropy!

'''Kyubey: And the most effective of all...'''

'''Kyubey: ...are girls in the second stage of development who experience the greatest fluctuations between hope and despair.'''

Kyubey: In the moment when your Soul Gems flare out and turn into Grief Seeds...

Kyubey: ...enormous energy is created.

Kyubey: It is the job of us Incubators to collect that energy.
</blockquote>

If the numbers were namedropped, then they've been retconned (we've seen Magical Girls as young as 11 contracted by Kyubey, and iirc [[Shii]]'s mom was a slightly older than 18 adult?

Basically, I wanna reword this part cuz it's not accurate, but I don't know if the inaccuracy is A) a result of a retcon B) a result of a misunderstanding [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 10:00, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

: Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but there doesn't seem to be a retcon. I just understood this as saying "when a girl reaches puberty." ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 11:07, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

:: Kyubey's article, as we stand, has an exact number. This number had to get from *somewhere*, so I wanna know if these exact numbers were uttered in official materials (and thus were retconned), or is "14-18" a fanmade extrapolation from him mentioning the second stage of development that was proven inaccurate with younger Magical Girls appearing. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 11:38, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

::: I'm not sure if the actual numbers appear somewhere, but assuming they do, Yuma and Shii's mother don't qualify as a retcon in my mind – Kyuubey is speaking in statistics here, and even if those numbers are the "most effective" ages on average, it stands to reason that there would be occasional outliers on both ends. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:52, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

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'''My laptop took a shit so I'll be mostly out of commission for a bit.'''

== Section Titles ==

When editing pages, please try to avoid changing section titles as much as possible, as that could very easily break links without any visible evidence until someone tries to follow them. If you absolutely must change a section title (and there will definitely be times when it's necessary), please be sure to use the What Links Here tool to find every link to the parent page and, if it happens to link to the renamed subtitle, update the link. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

: Oh, my bad. Sorry, I'll avoid it in the future. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

:: Avoiding it is good, but as said, it's not like you should ''never'' do it. Just be sure to take the proper additional steps if you feel a rename is really necessary. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

::: You did it again. Please either revert the section title changes on [[Minor Uwasa]] or use [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Minor Uwasa]] to find the links and redirects you broke and fix them. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:01, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

:::: Sorry. Fixed them. They should all be good now. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 19:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

== Stubs ==

Can you please stop adding stubs where you plan to add content in the future? Like in [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Timeline_%28Historical%29&diff=171768&oldid=171765 this sequence of edits] for example, or anything that uses "TBD" or similar terminology. The content should be added at the same time as the relevant headers. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:24, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
: Understood, I'll write it in a text fle and copy paste it when it's ready.[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

== MagiReco Game Timeline ==

It looks like you're being a bit too ambitious. I suggest limiting the content on the Timelines page to ''only'' the main arc – no event stories (unless they're super important to the main plot, maaaybe?), no Magical Girl stories, no costume stories, not even Another Story (maaaybe the briefest mention if relevant to the main arc). I'm not sure if Mirror Story is important enough to go on that page.

That doesn't mean the other content shouldn't be summarized though – feel free to finish what I started on the [[Magia Record Timeline]] page and also slot in all the other content there. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 03:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

: Oh god, thank you. I was scared of having to mention all of them. If anything, I think I'll mention where the smaller events that don't matter take place. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:27, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

== [[Timelines]] ==

I don't want to stomp on all your hard work, but I think the level of detail on that page is getting waaay past what it really needs to be.

To be clear, I think it's good to have this level of detail, but not on this page – there could be dedicated pages for each Magia Record arc, for example (actually, those pages [[Magia Record Main Story Arc 1|already]] [[Magia Record Main Story Arc 2|exist]] but have only the list of chapters – that could be expanded).

The level of detail for main timelines 1 and 2 seems about right to me. Some could have more detail, but not ''too'' much more. In particular, the Magia Record section is probably at least 10 times larger than it needs to be. There should probably be no more than a sentence or two for each chapter or event, maybe up to around 10 sentences if it's especially complicated (like Arc 1 Chapter 10), with a link to the full chapter summary on another page.

There was also a whole section that doesn't belong at all, which I deleted with the intent of moving it where it belongs (to [[Timeline (Historical)]]), but I only got through the first two sections. Just to make things easy in case you want to finish migrating it to the historical page, I've pasted the whole section below (though you could always retrieve it from the page history). (Note: There ''could'' still be a Pre-Arc 1 section on [[Timelines]], but it would cover backstory, like the "N years ago" sections on [[Magia Record Timeline]] squashed down into an even smaller space.)

Anyway, my main point is that this should page should serve as firstly a brief summary, an overview of the franchise, and secondly as a view of how all the little pieces (events, Magical Girl stories, backstory details, whatever you think is important enough) fit together.

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* '''The Distant Past:'''
** [[Infinite Iroha]], Ui, Touka, Nemu, Lil' Kyubey and Sakurako travel from the future and make records of the magical girls of the past.
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia Pillar of Tomorrow|Pillar of Tomorrow]]:''' Yachiyo travels from the future to provide hope to all magical girls of the past, including the girl who would become 10<sup>-43</sup>, presumably around 2000 BCE.

* '''31 BCE - 30 BCE:'''
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia The Mirage of Alexandria Arc|The Mirage of Alexandria]]:'''
*** '''Part 1, July of 31 BCE:''' The Tokime Tribe travels to ancient Egypt during Cleopatra VII's reign to investigate her potential connection to magical girls. Upon arrival in Alexandria, they detect a mysterious aura around Cleopatra and decide to infiltrate her palace. They encounter Ebony, a magical girl loyal to Cleopatra, but Shizuka convinces her to temporarily cease hostilities. While gathering information on the Met Clan, the group falls into a trap set by Cleopatra’s forces. A captured soldier reveals that the Met Clan uses a "Dreaming Drug" to manipulate their soldiers. As tensions intensify between Rome and Egypt, they decide to gather information outside of Alexandria.
*** '''September 2nd of 31 BCE:''' The Battle of Actium begins, with Cleopatra’s forces initially holding their ground but eventually retreating as Octavius gains the upper hand. In Alexandria, Cleopatra sends her son Caesarion away for safety while attempting to negotiate peace with Octavius. With Antonius growing furious over her perceived betrayal, Cleopatra prepares for his arrival.
*** '''August 1st of 30 BCE:''' Antonius attempts suicide after receiving false news of Cleopatra's death, delivered by Ebony. Following his death, the Tokime girls exploit the weakened palace security and Nemu identifies Ebony as the key magical girl tied to their mission. She immobilizes them using her powers and Shizuka tries to reason with her.
*** '''Part 2:''' With assistance from Asahi, who'd been hiding until now, they neutralize Ebony. They explain that the Met Clan recruits young girls to contract with Kyubey, granting them powers to protect Egypt’s rulers. Shizuka shares her own experiences as a magical girl and persuades Ebony to break free from her role in the clan. After settling matters with Cleopatra, Ebony goes to the Met Clan Elder to receive freedom. He agrees, but tasks her with delivering a final message to the queen.
*** '''August 29th of 30 BCE:''' As Cleopatra's been imprisoned, the group infiltrates the guarded facility where she's kept. They find her face deteriorating due to the fading effects of magic granted by the past sacrificed girls. An assassin from the Met Clan, disguised as a soldier, kills Cleopatra by shooting darts into her neck. Ebony almost transforms into a witch but the other girls save her. After Nemu confirms that history remains intact due to the wound resembling a snake bite, they set off to confront the Elder. He reveals he orchestrated Cleopatra’s death to turn Ebony into a witch to use against Rome. When they find out the Elder is under a witch's influence, he commits suicide and they defeat the witch, 10<sup>-1</sup>. With the Soul Dome now filled, they bid farewell to Ebony and encourage her to embrace her newfound independence before returning to their own time.

* '''77 CE - 79 CE:'''
** '''History A:'''
**** '''Early 77 CE:''' A destructive rainstorm interrupts a play starring the popular actor, Master Paris.
**** '''Early 77 CE:''' The influential families of Pompeii—Cornelia’s, Junia’s, and Marius’—hold a banquet to discuss potential alliances and marriages.
**** '''Summer of 77 CE:''' A chariot race occurs, which Hilarus the Left-Handed wins. Junia and Marius watch the race together.
**** '''Summer of 78 CE:''' After the frequent earthquakes of recent, the city council focuses on rebuilding. Marius announces his marriage to Junia has been approved. Likely around this time, Junia meets a Vestal Maiden of Light and Kyubey, or Master Cubius, who prompts her to become a magical girl. Due to her love for Marius, she refuses.
**** '''October of 79 CE:''' Frequent earthquakes and dried water supplies occur, such as the Aqua Augusta.
**** '''October 24, 79 CE:''' Vesuvius erupts, killing most of the population, including Emperor Vespasian and Plinius in Stabiae without organizing a rescue effort. Pompeii is destroyed, and Cornelia and Marius' families die. Junia makes a contract with Kyubey to be reborn as a different person in the past, and thus creates History B.
** '''History B:'''
*** '''76 CE:''' Junia arrives back three years in time from the eruption of Mount Vesuvius. She tests out her power and poses as her new persona, Amaryllis. She tells the other servants that she's Lady Junia's new handmaiden, which the others believe without question, as her power not only allows her to change her appearance, but also makes others not question inconsistencies based on her identity. She befriends Cornelia as Amaryllis and tells her that she is from Greece and that she shares a tutor with Junia. She convinces Cornelia to help her by predicting a very destructive rainstorm in the midst of a play starring a popular actor, Master Paris.
*** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia The Lovers in the Pax Romana Arc|The Lovers in the Pax Romana]]:'''
**** '''Part 1, 79 CE:''' Himena, Shigure, San, Hagumu, Mitsune, and Miyuri travel back to Pompeii in 79 CE. Thanks to the power of the Rumors, Mitsune has now recovered her ability to walk. Nemu tells them about Amaryllis, a magical girl who altered history. They then find themselves in an unstable space, where time and reality are unstable, and encounter a copy of [[10^−43#10−7|10<sup>-7</sup>]]. Nemu explains that their interference in an already altered timeline (79 CE) may have caused a time paradox, and that they are in a "Time Paradox Zone," where history is being rewritten. San, Hagumu and Mitsune are caught up in the paradox and separated from the rest of the group. Due to having Nemu's book, Himena is attuned to this time period, so she dreams of Junia and Cornelia’s childhood, where their father announces one will marry Marius.
**** '''Early 77 CE:''' Himena, Shigure, Miyuri and Nemu wake up in Pompeii, two years before the eruption. Cornelia helps them hide and introduces them to Amaryllis, the magical girl who has been warning people about the eruption. Nemu explains two histories: History A, where Pompeii is destroyed, and History B, where Amaryllis succeeded and most people evacuated. Amaryllis’ plan involves Cornelia marrying Marius to gain political influence. The group, now posing as Cornelia’s handmaidens, prepares to attend a banquet at Marius’ villa. Amaryllis explains that the banquet is a critical event where the three influential families—Cornelia’s, Junia’s, and Marius’—will discuss future alliances, including potential marriages. Cornelia is torn between her feelings for Marius and her sister Junia’s happiness. The group encounters and defeats a witch, rescuing Cornelia. They later meet Junia, who is kind and thoughtful, before being taken away by a paradox.
**** '''Summer of 77 CE:''' They reappear later in the year. Amaryllis reveals to them that magical girls in the time period in Ancient Rome were known as Vestal Maidens of Light, which was likely the source of Rome's long-lasting success. Amaryllis and Cornelia are working to spread a prophecy about the impending eruption of Mount Vesuvius through the Cult of Isis, a powerful religious group in Pompeii. Amaryllis uses her metamorphosis magic to disguise herself as a member and deliver the prophecy, claiming it comes from divine sources. They plan to use the upcoming chariot race as proof of their prophetic knowledge, predicting Hilarus the Left-Handed will win. The chariot race coincides with Cornelia’s birthday, and Amaryllis has arranged for Cornelia and Marius to watch the race together, while Junia will celebrate separately. The group encounters a barrier again, this time only a familiar. Amaryllis and Cornelia successfully gain the cooperation of the Cult of Isis by proving the accuracy of their prophecy about Hilarus the Left-Handed’s victory in the chariot race. The priestess of Isis is convinced by the detailed predictions Amaryllis provides, including future events like the death of Emperor Vespasian and the drying up of the Aqua Augusta. The Cult of Isis agrees to prepare its followers for the impending disaster, so Amaryllis and Cornelia plan to extend their efforts to other temples, including those dedicated to Venus and Apollo. They also prepare to leverage Cornelia’s connections, such as attending a tutelage ceremony for the popular actor Paris, to further spread their message. However, the timeline remains unstable, and they suspect that another time paradox event is imminent. The members of the Neo-Magius prepare for the possibility of being transported to another point in time, as has happened before when key conditions were met.
**** '''Summer of 78 CE:''' Amaryllis and Cornelia play a game, but they're interrupted by Himena, Miyuri, and Shigure's arrival after the year-long absence. They discuss the current situation in Pompeii, where the rumors of Mount Vesuvius’ impending eruption have caused some residents and influential figures, including Cornelia’s father, to consider relocating. However, the city council remains divided, with many still favoring reconstruction over evacuation. They also consider seeking the help of Admiral Plinius, a renowned scholar and military leader, to advocate for evacuation.
**** '''[[Amaryllis#Side Story|Amaryllis' MSS]]:'''
***** '''A Maiden Ought to Play Games, 78 CE:''' Amaryllis plays Ludus with Lady Cornelia and encourages her to watch a particular chariot race with him. During a stroll in Pompeii, Miyuri loses her smartphone, which Cornelia recalls seeing earlier in a storage room. Cornelia's father had taken it to a jeweler for appraisal, where Gaius, a relative of Pliny the Elder, showed interest in purchasing it. Concerned about potential historical paradoxes, the group hurries to retrieve it.
***** '''A Spark of Flaring Love:''' Cornelia devises a plan to ask her father to cancel the sale. She attends the chariot race with Marius, while the others search for Gaius. After the match, Amaryllis impersonates Gaius to secure the smartphone, while Himena and others prevent the real Gaius from entering. As the plan unfolds, a labyrinth emerges near the Temple of Venus.
***** '''Love is War:''' Marius unexpectedly arrives on horseback to rescue Cornelia and her father from the supposed ghostly disturbances near the temple. Amaryllis successfully gets the phone while the others detain the real Gaius, who later wakes up confused after the witch's been defeated. The next day, Cornelia prepares for a picnic with Marius and Junia, and Amaryllis returns to playing Ludus with her.
*** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia The Lovers in the Pax Romana Arc|The Lovers in the Pax Romana, continued]]:'''
**** '''Part 1, continued:''' The group travels to Misenum to meet Plinius. Himena suggests using her synthesis magic, as she's now learned to use her power to replicate powers without draining them from others, to replicate Amaryllis’ abilities, allowing others to assist in the plan. They successfully intercept Plinius near the coast, where Cornelia and Amaryllis explain the impending eruption of Mount Vesuvius. Despite revealing future events, including the death of Emperor Vespasian and Plinius’ own fate during the eruption, he refuses to support their cause. The group returns to Cornelia’s villa, where Nemu expresses concern that revealing too much, such as Plinius’ death, may have already disrupted the timeline. The next day, a messenger arrives with a surprising request from Consul Titus, the eldest son of Vespasian and the future emperor, who wishes to meet Cornelia in private.
**** '''Part 2:''' Two days later, Cornelia and Amaryllis meet with Titus, who had been informed of their prophecy and the supposed death of the current emperor by Plinius. He cannot order a mass evacuation without proof, but promises to help evacuate once the eruption begins and to facilitate aid for survivors in Neapolis. After the meeting, Cornelia, Marius, and Junia head to a picnic where Marius announces that his father has approved his engagement to Cornelia. They enjoy a peaceful moment together while Himena, Miyuri, Shigure, and Nemu defeat an offshoot of the original 10<sup>-7</sup> witch and then observe the picnic. Nemu explains that the witch they first encountered in 77 CE has been actively interfering with history by creating powerful offshoots and to restore the correct timeline of History B, they must defeat the original witch. That night, Himena has a dream where Amaryllis laments not becoming a Vestal Maiden of Light during the original Pompeii's destruction.
**** '''October of 79 CE:''' Frequent earthquakes and dried water supplies confirm the prophecy. Many residents, influenced by the efforts of Cornelia and Marius' families have already evacuated, but some still remain. The Cult of Isis provides additional ships to aid in the evacuation, and Marius frees charioteers trapped in the barracks, who then help guide people to safety.
**** '''October 24, 79 CE:''' The eruption of Vesuvius begins and Cornelia, Marius, and their families coordinate the evacuation to the shore, where ships await. However, a large group of residents, possessed by a witch, move toward danger. Himena, Miyuri, Shigure, and Nemu confront the 10<sup>-7</sup> witch while Amaryllis and Cornelia focus on saving lives. As the situation seems dire, the Roman navy, led by Admiral Plinius, arrives with a massive fleet to assist in the evacuation.
**** In Stabiae, Plinius ensures his fleet rescues as many as possible and instructs his subordinates to record his death as a brave act. To ensure history remains intact, he dies in the eruption.
**** With the arrival of San, Hagumu, and Mitsune, Himena, Shigure and Miyuri manage to defeat the witch. They realize that while they couldn’t save everyone, they succeeded in changing the future and ensuring that many lives were saved. As the eruption of Mount Vesuvius reaches its peak, the remaining residents of Pompeii are evacuated by ship. Cornelia and Marius look forward to rebuilding their lives in Neapolis, when they notice Amaryllis and Junia missing. Amaryllis reflects on her vow to have lived the rest of her life in atonement, dedicating herself to the peace of Rome and honoring the memories of those she couldn’t save. As Junia, she stays in the Pompeii and wears the bracelet given to her by Marius as a reminder of her past and the love she once had. With the timeline restored, the others return to the future.

* '''c. 247 CE:'''
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia The Heiress of Yamatai Arc|The Heiress of Yamatai]]:'''
*** '''Part 1:''' A messenger confirms that Toyo has been chosen as a candidate to succeed Queen Himiko of Yamatai. Toyo sets out for Yamatai, excited to meet Queen Himiko, whom she deeply admires. She encounters and befriends Rena, and later Momoko, and Kaede, unaware that they are from the future. Despite Toyo's cursed reputation, Rena and the others treat her kindly, which deeply moves her. They're confronted by soldiers from Kuna, a rival nation to Yamatai, who mistake Rena for Toyo due to a book they believe is a gift from the Wei Dynasty. After a brief skirmish, the Kuna soldiers retreat with the book, which is Nemu, but not before she tells them that Toyo is the magical girl their mission is based around. Due to their appearance and outfits, Rena accidentally lets it slip that they're from the future, but since the people of the era don't understand the word, they understand it as being a distant, more advanced country. Toyo's group arrives in Yamatai, however, Himiko rejects Toyo and accuses her younger brother of using Toyo as a political pawn. Rena defends Toyo, and the group leaves her quarters, staying in a nearby lodging for the night. Himiko's younger brother explains to Toyo and her friends that the previous shrine maiden candidates were plagued by a curse, leading to disasters. One candidate was possessed, and another sacrificed herself to exorcise the curse. He dismisses the idea that Toyo is the child of a Cursed God, suggesting Himiko’s rejection stems from fear of repeating past tragedies. He vows to make Toyo the successor despite Himiko’s objections. Toyo, feeling lost and rejected, encounters a soldier from Kuna who reveals that Toyo is the child of Himiko and the king of Kuna, not a cursed being. This revelation shocks Toyo and she questions why Himiko hid this from her and why she was treated as cursed. Toyo decides to prove herself by helping a drought-stricken village. Despite initial distrust, Toyo and her friends work to build a canal to prevent flooding when the rain comes. The villagers, seeing their efforts, gradually accept Toyo and join in the work. Himiko arrives to assess Toyo’s work and acknowledges her efforts, accepting her as a successor candidate. However, Toyo collapses from exhaustion and illness. In a tender moment, Himiko comforts Toyo, revealing herself as Toyo’s mother. Toyo expresses her love for Himiko, and the two share a heartfelt connection as Toyo falls asleep. Toyo wakes up to find herself paralyzed, unable to move or call for help. She tries to reach the sunlight, hoping someone will find her, but is unsuccessful.
** '''[[Toyo#Side Story|Toyo's MSS]]:'''
*** '''Part 1:''' Toyo is introduced as Himiko's successor, but villagers doubt her due to her perceived cursed origins. Himiko defends Toyo, claiming her abilities are divine. Their strained relationship is evident as Toyo struggles to connect with Himiko, her mother, despite Himiko's efforts to bond. Toyo attempts to bridge the gap by giving Himiko a poorly chosen gift of cicada shells, which confuses her. Momoko suggests finding a dog as a better gift. Toyo uses her Spirit Arts to locate a strange creature she names Slurpy, insisting it’s a dog. Himiko initially refuses to let Toyo keep Slurpy, fearing it’s dangerous, but reluctantly agrees after Toyo pleads and promises to be responsible. She grows attached to Slurpy, momentarily forgetting her goal of improving her relationship with Himiko.
*** '''Part 2:''' Toyo works tirelessly, using her Spirit Arts to help villagers, with Slurpy assisting her in chaotic but helpful ways. Despite her exhaustion, Toyo continues her duties, ignoring her friends' concerns. Slurpy leads the group to a pond, where they catch fish and enjoy a meal together. Toyo expresses happiness but regrets Slurpy can’t join future outings. Her health declines, and she collapses while playing with Slurpy. Himiko scolds Toyo for overworking and notices Slurpy’s loyalty. Toyo apologizes to Slurpy for her inability to play due to her illness.
*** '''Part 3:''' Toyo’s health worsens, and she struggles to perform daily tasks, feeling guilty for burdening her friends and Slurpy. Himiko decides Slurpy must be sent away, believing dogs carry a curse that harms Toyo. Despite protests, Toyo agrees, thinking it’s best for Slurpy. They share a final playful run, though Toyo struggles to keep up. She urges Slurpy to forget her and live happily, but he refuses to leave. After parting, Toyo reflects on their memories together.
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia The Heiress of Yamatai Arc|The Heiress of Yamatai, continued]]:'''
*** '''Part 2:''' Crops and livestock across Yamatai are mysteriously withering, leading villagers to believe it’s a curse. Himiko’s younger brother reveals that Kuna has been pressuring Yamatai to make Toyo the successor to avoid war. Himiko uncovers her brother’s plot to manipulate Toyo and use her as a political pawn, but she refuses to comply, deciding instead to resume war with Kuna despite the risks. Toyo’s health deteriorates, and she experiences episodes of paralysis. Himiko, realizing she cannot protect Toyo from her illness or the political turmoil, pleads with Rena and Kaede to take Toyo to the future, where she might be cured. Himiko declares war on Kuna, aiming to protect Yamatai and Toyo from Kuna’s schemes. The war begins, and Yamatai initially struggles against Kuna’s forces. Momoko confronts Himiko, urging her to give Toyo a reason to believe in her actions, as Toyo remains unaware of the true reasons behind the war. As the war rages, Toyo, despite her failing health, is determined to protect her village and the canal they built. She struggles to move but pushes herself, knowing the importance of the canal for the villagers. She is discovered by a Yamatai soldier who insists she return to safety, but Toyo resists. Rena and Kaede arrive and reveal they have built a palanquin to help Toyo move more easily and they support her decision to go to the village. Himiko, comes into possession of Nemu's book, intending to look into its binding method. After hearing them talk about something similar, she reveals to Momoko that she's gravely ill herself, coughing up blood, the illness affecting her face and losing her vision. Toyo, Rena, and Kaede arrive at the village to find it under attack by Kuna soldiers. They deliver Toyo to Himiko, and Rena fights off the soldiers, while Kaede helps evacuate the villagers. Toyo is approached by Kyubey, who offers her a contract to become a magical girl in exchange for a wish. Despite Himiko's warnings about the dangers of such a contract, as the same thing had happened to the previous shrine maiden, Toyo decides to make a wish to become a great leader like her mother, Himiko. She transforms into a magical girl, gaining the strength to surpass her disease, fight and protect her people. Toyo arrives to help Rena, Kaede and Momoko fight the witch responsible for the attack. Himiko passes away, leaving Toyo as her successor. Toyo, though grieving, vows to carry on her mother's legacy and lead Yamatai to prosperity. She addresses the people, assuring them that she will continue to fight for their future, even as the war with Kuna rages on. As they've now fulfilled their mission and collected Iroha's concept, Momoko, Rena and Kaede bid farewell to Toyo and leave the time period. During one of the following nights, a servant of Himiko leads Toyo to a water supply, which Himiko had rigged with her knowledge of Spirit Arts to cause a display of fireflies. Toyo breaks down in tears, expressing her longing for her mother and her determination to live up to her legacy.
** '''[[Toyo#Side Story|Toyo's MSS, continued]]:'''
*** '''Part 3, continued:''' A long time afterwards, during summer, Toyo hears a familiar bark and runs to see Slurpy again. Without using her power of summoning, the two reunite together again.

* '''11th Century CE:'''
** '''[[Olga#Side Story|Olga's MSS]]:'''
*** '''Part 1:''' Olga and Gunhild support each other through their hardships. Olga often shares stories of Norse gods and dreams of a better future, even creating a world called "Olganheim" in her imagination. They endure daily mistreatment, particularly from a warrior who harbors a grudge against their father. She dreams of sailing the world as a great trader, finding rare treasures, and sharing adventures with Gunhild. Her sister suggests escaping, but Olga refuses, fearing the consequences if they are caught.
*** '''Part 2:''' They notice the village is unusually quiet as the men are away pillaging. Suddenly, they spot a wolf entering the village and Olga tries to protect Gunhild by pushing her into a shed while distracting the wolf. Gunhild, remembering a lesson from their father’s friend, suggests using loud noises to scare the wolf away. Together, they successfully drive the wolf off and Gunhild scolds Olga for risking her life by staying outside to distract the wolf. Olga apologizes and promises to consult Gunhild before doing anything dangerous in the future. She then praises Gunhild for her quick thinking and resourcefulness.
*** '''Part 3:''' A while after they scared the wolf, they hear a noise outside and suspect it might have returned. They investigate the noise and spot a stranger sneaking around the village. Gunhild suggests he might be a thief or a scout for an enemy group. When he notices them, Olga suggests using the same tactic they used on the wolf, and together, they scream and attract the attention of the village warriors, who chase the intruder away.
** '''[[Gunhild#Side Story|Gunhild's MSS]]:'''
*** '''Part 1:''' One night, Olga claims to have seen a Fylgja, a spirit in the form of a white beast. Gunhild initially dismisses it but later encounters Kyubey, who offers her the chance to become a magical girl in exchange for a wish. Gunhild, though suspicious of Kyubey's intentions, wishes to form a warrior band with Olga as its leader.
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia Valkyrie of Vik Arc|The Valkyrie of Vik]]:'''
*** '''Part 1:''' Olga and Gunhild meet the members of Promised Blood, who traveled from the future and claim to be merchants. Isvik is suddenly attacked by raiders, and an elderly warrior, Ebbe, recognizes Olga and Gunhild as the daughters of Arne, whom he once owed his life to. He reveals that he had vowed to repay Arne and now Ebbe declares his loyalty to the sisters and offers his warrior band, the Warriors of the Bear Claw, to serve under their command. The two become the leaders of the warrior band, renaming it the "Warriors of the Sisterhood." The warriors successfully ambush and defeat Isvik's returning warriors, securing control of the settlement. They rename it "Ithvollr" and begin to rebuild and expand their influence.
** '''[[Gunhild#Side Story|Gunhild's MSS, continued]]:'''
*** '''Part 2:''' Gunhild focuses on building a strong foundation for their settlement, improving agriculture, livestock, and trade to strengthen their warrior band. Meanwhile, she battles witches to recover her magical power, though she grows increasingly wary of Kyubey and the toll of being a magical girl.
*** '''Part 3:''' Gunhild fights enemy warriors, and despite being gravely injured, she survives due to her soul gem, learning that her body won't die unless it's destroyed. This realization makes her grateful Olga didn't become a magical girl and vows to keep Kyubey away from her sister. Gunhild discovers Olga has been lured into a witch's labyrinth by Kyubey, who is trying to make Olga a magical girl.
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia Valkyrie of Vik Arc|The Valkyrie of Vik, continued]]:'''
*** '''Part 1, continued:''' Olga sees the Fylgja, a guardian spirit, again and chases after it, hoping for guidance. However, she is attacked by one of her own warriors, who resents her leadership. Fleeing the attack, Olga finds herself in a labyrinth, which she believes to be Helheim, the land of the dead in Norse mythology. Just as she is about to be overwhelmed by familiars, Gunhild rescues her. Meanwhile, the members of Promised Blood debate whether to intervene in Olga's fate, as they suspect she may be destined to become a magical girl. Gunhild reveals to Olga that she became a magical girl after encountering Kyubey, the mysterious creature Olga mistook for a Fylgja. Gunhild explains that she made a contract with Kyubey, wishing to form a warrior band led by Olga to help achieve her sister's dreams. She admits that she didn’t want Olga to become a magical girl because of the dangerous and endless cycle of fighting witches and consuming grief seeds to survive. Olga insists on becoming a magical girl to share the burden, however, Gunhild vehemently opposes this, even killing Kyubey to prevent Olga from making a contract. Gunhild compares the life of a magical girl to the eternal battles in Valhalla, and that her sacrifices will earn her a place there after death. Promised Blood debate whether to intervene, and Nemu explains that the Viking era, including warrior bands like Olga and Gunhild’s, will soon come to an end with the Battle of Stamford Bridge. They resolve to continue watching without interfering, despite their feelings about the sisters.
*** '''Part 2:''' Olga and Gunhild, along with their warrior band, prepare to join King Harald's campaign to conquer England. On 20 September 1066, the sisters and their warriors participate in the Battle of Fulford, where Harald's army wins the battle, and Gunhild's abilities earn her praise from Harald himself. Olga is attacked by a witch and narrowly escapes with the help of Yuna and her companions, who intervene discreetly to protect her without revealing their identities. Harald's army continues to advance, and the sisters prepare for the next phase of the campaign. On September 25th, 1066, Harald's army is caught off guard by King Harold II's forces at Stamford Bridge. Gunhild, using her magical girl powers, sustains severe injuries but continues to fight, shocking Harald and his men with her unnatural resilience. Harald, terrified by Gunhild's seemingly cursed abilities, accuses her of being the source of their misfortune and orders his men to kill her. Gunhild, enraged by Harald's betrayal, turns on him, but her soul gem darkens quickly and she transforms into a witch. Olga is devastated, but Yuna's team intervene, pulling Olga away from the chaos. They explain that Gunhild has become a witch, and Olga is left to grapple with the outcome of her sister's sacrifices. Olga makes a contract with Kyubey, wishing for the power to send Gunhild to Valhalla. She transforms into a magical girl and eventually defeats Gunhild's witch. Promised Blood reflects on the events, realizing that Olga was the magical girl Iroha had been observing. Nemu reveals that she withheld some information to prevent interference in the sisters' fate. Having completed their mission, prepares to return to their own time, confident that Olga will persevere and calling her "Olga the Dreamer."
** '''[[Olga#Side Story|Olga's MSS, continued]]:'''
*** '''Part 3, continued:''' Olga reflects on their lives, joking that if the gods were truly guiding them, they’d be on a boat by now. Despite the hardships, she cherishes their memories together and resolves to keep living for the future, though she wonders why things turned out the way they did.

* '''c. 1240 CE:'''
** '''[[Magia Record Story Puella Historia The Rakshasi of Tibet|The Rakshasi of Tibet]]:'''
*** '''Part 1:''' Lavi, Alexandra and Urara arrive in 13th-century Tibet, seeking the Rakshasi, a figure who will end the war between Tibet and Mongolia and bring peace. Lavi discovers that the nunnery is training young girls to become Rakshasi, with Heruka being a key figure. Dolma, the leader of the nunnery, reveals that they exiled the adults who tried to stop the Rakshasi ceremony, as they believed in fighting the Mongols. Meanwhile, Alexandra and Urara pose as performers and are captured by the Mongol leader, Dolo'adai, who plans to use their powers against the convent. Lavi learns that the Rakshasi are magical girls chosen through a ritual with a mysterious figure named Lord Jataka, Kyubey. Lavi and Nemu discuss the discrepancies in history, noting that the nunnery's role and the existence of "junior nuns" are not part of the original historical record. They surmise that Heruka is likely the Rakshasi mentioned in history and Lavi decides not to interfere with Heruka's fate, as it would alter history. A Mongolian soldier is captured after attempting to poison the nunnery's well. Heruka interrogates him, as she can speak Mongolian, revealing that the Mongols believe the Rakshasi attacked them first, which lead to their invasion. Heruka is shaken by the accusations but keeps the details from Dolma. Lavi learns that another junior nun who speaks Mongolian, likely Alexandra or Urara, is with the Mongols. Accompanied by Heruka, Lavi reunites with Alexandra and Urara, where they discuss the historical discrepancies and the possibility of a witch influencing events. Nemu suggests they may need to intervene to ensure the Rakshasi ends the war as history dictates. Alexandra and Urara decide to stay with the Mongols to gather intelligence, while Lavi and Heruka return to the nunnery through a hidden entrance to prepare for the impending attack. The Mongols discover the hidden entrance to the town and plan to use it to launch a surprise attack. They set a trap, using false information to lure the nunnery's defenders into an ambush. Alexandra and Urara learn of the impending attack and reveal that the Mongols' plan, but Heruka deduces that the attack will likely be a night raid, not at dawn as initially suggested. She prepares the nunnery for an ambush, evacuating the townsfolk and organizing a counterattack. The nunnery's defenders, led by Heruka and Lavi, successfully ambush the Mongols, but the Mongols use a feigned retreat to lure them into a trap and successfully counterattack. The town is set ablaze and Lavi stays behind to hold off the Mongols while the others retreat. Heruka is overwhelmed by guilt, believing her actions led to the town's destruction. She asks the villagers to restrain Dolma so she can fulfill her role as a Rakshasi. Heruka then encounters Kyubey, who offers her a contract to become a magical girl. Heruka accepts, wishing to erase the memory of the Rakshasi from everyone's minds to end the war. Heruka's wish changes history, erasing the memory of the Rakshasi, even among the Folklore of Zero, and altering the perception of the nunnery. The Mongols withdraw, and the war comes to a ceasefire. Heruka spreads the ashes of her loved ones, symbolizing their return to the earth, and embraces her role as a Rakshasi. After the nunnery is restored, Dolma decides to leave and join the Order of the White Hill to seek support for the nunnery. She and Heruka share a heartfelt farewell, with Heruka giving Dolma a manuscript to help her learn Mongolian.
*** '''Part 2:''' Heruka, now seen as a savior by her followers, confronts Mongolian soldiers. Despite being shot with arrows, she remains unharmed, which the soldiers interpret as a miracle. Many Mongols abandon their weapons and convert to her faith, believing she is an incarnation of the Buddha as her magic pacifies people's hearts. Heruka’s influence grows, and she continues to spread her teachings, aiming to bring peace and Shambhala to the world. Meanwhile, the Mongolian commander, Dolo'adai, is ordered to destroy Heruka’s followers, but his soldiers are reluctant, fearing divine punishment. Lavi, Alexandra, and Urara observe Heruka’s growing influence and success in stopping the war. The group decides to investigate further by studying religious texts to understand Heruka’s role and the concept of the Rakshasi. Dolma, now part of the Order of the White Hill, successfully negotiates support for the nunnery from the temple’s head priest. Lavi, Nemu, and Urara are studying a palm-leaf manuscript about Tibet’s history, which mentions the Rakshasi. They discuss the possibility of it being a mythological account of Tibet’s founding, as they've forgotten about the Rakshasi due to Heruka's wish. Meanwhile, Heruka arrives and informs them that the Mongolian Army has attacked their village and others, resuming their invasion. Survivors beg for vengeance against the Mongols and a wounded Mongolian soldier reveals that the general has allied with the Rakshasi, and Heruka comforts him as he dies. The group learns that the Mongols plan to continue their attacks, exhausting them. Later, Deki, another girl at the nunnery, informs Heruka that Dolma has been caught in the fighting as a mediator between Heruka and the Order of the White Hill, who seek peace with the Mongols. Returning to her village, she finds it destroyed by the Mongols. The villagers, who revere Heruka as their savior, refuse to accept peace with the Mongols. Dolma is attacked by Mongolian soldiers but escapes and reunites with Heruka. Heruka meets with former Lamas and nunnery priests, and proposes a decisive battle against the Mongols and enlists their help. Dolma convinces the Temple Head Priest to support the plan, believing in Heruka’s miracle. Meanwhile, the Mongolian general, Dolo'adai, prepares for the final battle and agrees to meet Heruka’s group on Mongolian soil. Heruka shares a childhood story about her grandmother, who made her believe butter tea was sweet. Heruka and her group arrive in Mongolia after days of travel. Dolma insists on being the interpreter, but it’s revealed that everyone, including the Temple Head Priest, understands Mongolian. They are led to a location resembling a Tibetan monastery, where General Dolo'adai awaits. Heruka and Dolo'adai exchange tense words, and Heruka reveals her plan to end the fighting by becoming a Mongolian officer. Heruka shocks her followers by claiming to betray them, offering them to the Mongols as a "gift." She insults her companions and declares herself a Rakshasi. Heruka’s followers and the Mongols are horrified, and the Temple Head Priest accuses her of being a fraud. Dolma defends Heruka, but Heruka continues to play the villain, claiming she manipulated everyone for her own gain. She even accuses herself of killing Dolma’s family and others in their hometown. The Mongols, convinced of her evil nature, prepare to execute her. Heruka’s followers turn against her, and she is taken away. Heruka’s former Lama testifies against her, but Dolma tries to defend Heruka, who continues to play the villain. She reveals her plan to lure out the witch, the source of hatred and conflict, by creating a situation filled with hatred. Heruka is condemned as a Rakshasi, and the Mongols prepare to execute her. Heruka confronts the witch and uses her magic to put everyone to sleep, but Lavi resists and follows her. Heruka confronts the witch, realizing her magic is being canceled out by the witch’s power of hatred. Despite being at a disadvantage in a direct fight, Lavi and the others arrive to help, revealing they resisted Heruka’s magic because they wanted to protect her. Together, they manage to defeat the witch, but Heruka’s magic weakens, and the people, now awake, turn against her, throwing rocks and calling her a monster. Dolma defends Heruka and they flee together. Lavi and the others hold off the Mongols, allowing Dolma and Heruka to escape until they reach a flower of blue poppies. After Heruka’s execution, Dolma struggles with grief and anger, but Lavi encourages her to record the truth about Heruka, ensuring her legacy is preserved. Dolma travels to Mongolia, helping to spread a new script while secretly inscribing the truth about Heruka in monuments. She reflects on Heruka’s sacrifice and the blue flowers that symbolize her hope.
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: The [[Timeline (Historical)]] is meant to have the original historical records of the events that happened. Puella Historia has the members of the cast change the past, so while it might not belong in [[Timelines]], it's not for Historical either. Would you agree to placing it in [[Magia Record Timeline]] and the game section of [[Timelines]] to just direct to it? [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 12:45, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:: The page has a section for the Magia Record timeline too. Also, how do we know they change the past? I'm not aware of any reason to believe that either the Tart events or the Puella Historia events result in changing the past. I haven't watched the Puella Historia finale mind you, so perhaps there's something there, but if you're merely ''assuming'' they change the past then I don't think that's a good assumption. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:32, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

::: I meant the history before the Kamihama gangs went back in time. For example, originally, the Tart stuff goes exactly as in the manga, then Iroha, Yachiyo and Ui go to the past and make some changes, even if just in Tart's dream. Another example would be how Toyo had no friends until KaMoRe came from the future. The end result is mostly similar, but the original Toyo never met anyone named Rena Minami. Historical should be for the events without involving time travel, while other articles which include the present should tell of the time travel stuff, because it starts in the present (like Present-day Kamihama for Puella Historia), they go back in time (like Mirage of Alexandria, make some minute changes, usually preventing 10^-43 from messing things up), then they go back to the present. It's why I didn't bring the Historia MSS stories that didn't involve the girls from Kamihama to [[Timelines]] but added them as references in Historical. The people from the present didn't affect Ebony's MSS since it happened before the Tokime arrived to Alexandria. I intend to put the other events of the recent past in Kamihama to the Historical Magia Record section too, unless they involve any time travel. This would also be easier since Historical overall has less detail than I've put into my draft of events. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 18:07, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

:::: Okay, so it seems our disagreement can basically be traced back to a disagreement on what it really means to travel back in time. There seems to be an implicit assumption that Homura's form of time travel is the only form that exists, yet Amaryllis directly proves otherwise – her time travel method is very different. That already shows that there are multiple forms of time travel in the setting. That in turn implies that there's no guarantee that any two instances of time travel have properties in common. So, when analyzing time travel, we should avoid making assumptions. And it should be acknowledged that applying "common sense" to time travel just doesn't work. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 08:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
::::: Yeah, Tart events always played weirdly with the rules. Amaryllis' time travel is the most conventional, Iroha also did it once with that leaf in the Arc 2 finale. Homura supposedly goes back in time AND switches realities (Guitarist Kyosuke timeline). Mirrors time travel is weird because, the moment the mirror they traveled from shatters, the people traveling through it go back to where hey came from. Don't even get me started with Null Magica. Mikoto's was the only one that was said to bring paradoxes and potentially destroy the world, but it's ultimately unconfirmed. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::: There is no such thing as "conventional" in time travel. The "switches realities" theory for Homura's time travel doesn't seem to be canon – Homura Tamura rolls it up to ridiculous, but there is nothing whatsoever in the show to support it (guitarist Kyosuke is ''clearly not'' canon). From what we ''actually see'', her time travel is something like "stuffing her future soul into her past body". Amaryllis's time travel is the closest we get to a "wormhole" or "portal", where two versions of Amaryllis exist simultaneously. I think the only thing we can really conclude is that there are no rules for time travel in the setting – each time traveller has her own rules. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::: I hate to bring up old points again, especially since the matter for which this discussion started has been settled, but if Guitarist Kyosuke can't be taken as canon, since the information comes from a witch card, then what about Cleopatra and Himiko? Why are the production notes of Cleopatra and Himiko from episode 11 taken as canon proof they're magical girls, and the Historia versions of them are taken as a separate universe? From what we saw, we never got confirmation that that was Cleopatra or Himiko except runes of their names and production notes saying they were. Toyo's event even had a cop-out with justifying that the japanese girl from episode 12 was Himiko's shrine maiden. I don't even think we saw Cleopatra's soul gem, and it's not like Tart (from episode 12) where it's so specific and has hard evidence that it's Jeanne of Arc as a magical girl. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:49, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: The identity of Cleopatra does not depend on any production notes. The scenes showing her in the anime are very clearly her. I don't know whether or not the same applies to Himiko, but I would say runes of their names are sufficient as evidence to their canon identity. I'm not sure if there's direct evidence in the anime that Cleopatra was a magical girl, though – it's possible it's merely inferred from the fact that all the ''other'' historical characters depicted are magical girls. She ''is'' clasping something to her chest that could be a soul gem, but unlike with Tart, we can't see any evidence that it ''is''. But the main point here is that their identity is clear enough from the anime without resorting to production notes. This is ''definitely'' true for Cleopatra at least. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:14, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
:::: Now, I am not aware of any reason to believe that "the history before the Kamihama gangs went back in time" is something that exists. It's quite within reason to believe that they went back in time because they went back in time. Time travel messes up causality, after all. I am not aware of any convincing evidence that Yachiyo and Ui "make some changes" to the past. Indeed, the Maiden of Hope explicitly questions this theory – it points out that the fact of "Tart remembered Yachiyo and Iroha" may have been true already before they went back, and they just didn't know. It also points out that the sweet dreams charm with the red and blue candles has no origin – Melissa learned it from Iroha, and then Melissa passed it down through history until Iroha learned it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 08:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
::::: I actually agree with that. However, I think historical should have the barebones of the story, like "Cleopatra dies," since it's ultimately unconfirmed whether they were always meant to be there. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:::: So unless we can find references to ''strongly support'' the idea that history was changed (such as an actual non-speculative statement in the game itself about what the history was like "before the change"), then I think it's simpler to assume it wasn't. Based on that premise, they didn't go back in time and change history – they went back in time so that they could replicate the true history that led to their present day. I doubt either version of the theory is strongly-supported by the evidence, mind you, but without explicit data on "pre-change" histories, anything you put there would be speculation. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 08:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
::::: An argument I could make to say that they weren't always meant to go to the past is that Mikoto, having seen the past, didn't comment on the Kamihama girls being there or change her mind by saying "well at some point I agree with them so why prolong the inevitable". The Pillar of Tomorrow has her talk with Iroha about how she's satisfied with Iroha now after she's done with her work. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

::::: Ultimately, can we agree to not put any time travel in Historical? I feel like Timelines is the exact place for time travel shenanigans? [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
:::::: I wouldn't say it's the place for "time travel shenanigans". It started out as an analysis of timelines formed specifically from Homura's actions, not timelines in general. It would certainly make sense to briefly cover the Historia and Tart time travel situations in [[Timelines]], but I'd say that should slot in from the future perspective, rather than in a "historical" section. In other words, it's mentioned at the point when they travel back in time, rather than having a section to itself in the past. But giving a full summary of the event would probably be too cluttered, I think.
:::::: I think the main detail of the Puella Historia stories ''definitely'' belongs in [[Timeline (Historical)]], though if you ''really'' want to phrase that summary to avoid mentioning the time travellers, I guess it wouldn't hurt. From the context of the Historia series, the goal is to "prevent the past from changing", so I think it's most reasonable to conclude that the time travellers (including the Witch of Symbols) had only very minor net effects on the past events. And the History A vs History B of Amaryllis's story also belongs there, in my opinion. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
::::::: Thank you. I'm glad we can agree. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:49, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

== Too Many Files ==

Why are you uploading the entire UI of Magia Record? We don't need most of those files. The backgrounds and the item icons are fine in theory, though I think about half of them are duplicates. Most of the rest is useless. There are probably a few exceptions, but we definitely don't need stuff like bits of buttons that are cut up so the button can be made any width desired. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
: Sorry, I'm done with the files now. I thought it would be better to have them than not have them, especially since a lot of backgrounds are missing from where they should be. I'm done with bulk files for now, at most I will upload a few files for magia record event galleries.[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:14, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
:: I don't think there's any worth in having the buttons that you click on in the game, unless there's some nice picture on it. I haven't gone through your list in detail yet, but I'm probably going to delete about 1/4 of the ones that aren't backgrounds when I find time. And there's '''''definitely'''''' no worth in having the numbers in a special font. It's nice that you're helping by uploading missing stuff, but in future please do triage ''before'' uploading, not after. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::: Of course, thank you. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:28, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
::::Looks like I was right about duplicates. I found at least one case where the same files were uploaded under different names, on [[Mikazuki Villa]]. I think you'd find most of them if you go through all the backgrounds and file them into appropriate articles – the duplicate would already be there in most cases. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:33, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
:::::I'll get to putting all the backgrounds to where they should be soon.[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:42, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
: Alright, I have:
:* Deleted a ton of files that are just particle effects, backgrounds, or pure text.
:* Deleted the duplicate icon images and categorized the rest in [[:Category:Magia Record Item Icons]] (fortunately the wiki identified these duplicates for me). If you know anything about those icons, you can add their info to [[Magia Record Items]].
:* Deleted the duplicate disk icons and element icons.
:* Filtered out a few clearly useful ones, such as the [[Kimochi]] stones.
:* Collected the rest here.
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:I think ''most'' of these should be deleted too, but I've added notes to a few that seem like perhaps they could be useful. In particular, I'm inclined to consider all the item icons in the above list as duplicates of their much higher-res counterparts currently in [[:Category:Magia Record Item Icons]]. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:32, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

::Please, don't just drag the entire contents of a dump into the upload field. You should review every file before deciding to upload it. We don't need the various crops and resizes of the kioku images – just the full kioku image is plenty. We don't need random featureless UI art like the film strip either – unless you have a specific use for it in mind, but in that case it should be uploaded alongside the edit that makes use of it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:59, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

::I'm going to say it again. Please stop blindly uploading the entire asset dump without bothering to look through it. We don't need random special effects textures or UI graphics or thumbnails or crops or anything like that. Please sort out the most relevant graphics ''before'' dragging them onto the Ms Upload button. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:50, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

::: Yet again: Please stop uploading every file without the slightest triage. This is a wiki, not an asset dump. Only upload files when you actually want to use them on a page, or when you have a reasonable belief that you or someone else will soon want to use them. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 03:14, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

== Irregulars ==

<blockquote>Why are Riz's former companions on this category? I can see why those contracted by Isabeau, but they were contracted by Kyubey.</blockquote>
I included them because I assumed that Riz's wish would have also applied to them and not just Tart. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 13:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

== Labyrinth Spaces ==

<blockquote>Homura was able to enhance one of her rooms to turn it into a white room with floating graphics about Walpurgisnacht through this, and this application of magic seems to do little more than create a small pocket dimension for extra space and visuals.</blockquote>

Where is the justification for this? It sounds like more of a fan theory than established fact to me (in which case it should use the speculation templates), but it's possible I'm missing something. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:54, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

== Common Abilities ==

While I'm on the topic of possible fan theories, it strikes me as varying levels of questionable to include the following in "common abilities":

* Storage/Hammerspace: I can maybe see justification for this in the robes of the Wings of the Magius or Elisa's weapon (which was created by Pernelle, so it's not the magically-summoned weapon that many girls use). But even then, I'm not sure we have sufficient evidence to say that that's an ability of the girl, rather than an ability of the robes or the weapon. Also, when it comes to the robes, there's some evidence that they ''don't'' get stored in any kind of hammerspace.
* Energy Blasts: If this was such an easy ability to learn, how are there so many magical girls that have no way to attack?
* Summon Barriers: This is kind of unclear. It seems to be fairly common for magical girls to learn barrier-like defensive abilities (both Mami and Kyoko did) but I don't see the justification for calling the ability "common to all magical girls".
* Clones: Very few magical girls have been demonstrated to use clones, so it seems very far-fetched to call it "common to all magical girls".
* Teleportation: As above – teleportation actually seems to be a very rare ability as far as I can tell.

It would be less of an issue if the section was "abilities that many magical girls learn" rather than "abilities that all magical girls possess". But other entries in the section clearly ''are'' abilities that all possess. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:54, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Got a couple more to add:

* Conjuration: I'm not aware of any concrete examples of magical girls conjuring random items. The most notable example, Mami's muskets, is actually a counter-example – she built those muskets from her ribbons. And if she can build a musket from ribbons, she can probably build a teacup too.

* Containers: I'm only aware of two magical girls (Mitama and Niko Kanna) who've created containers (ignoring Alina and her little green cubes, as that's explicitly her unique power). Thus, it seems to me that this should be mentioned as powers of those two girls, rather than in common powers.

~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:28, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

==Bulk Explanation==

I'll give the explanations for each of them. How I justify all of it is that if many girls have the same ability, which is nt their unique ability, then it can be learned to some extent. Maybe there should be a new section for "Learnable Abilities":

* Labyrinth Spaces: Homura's room did have magic added to it. I called it a labyrinth space because it shifts to Homura's emotions and memories when she hugs Madoka. But that may be non-diegetic. However, Madoka also saw the murals of Walpurgisnacht and asking her about it. Homura couldn't have possibly had that room on her own, so it seems reasonable to be a common application of magic. My logic is that if a power isn't classified as unique to the girl, then it's something learnable. In one of the Tart events, Minou had also added enchantments and stuff to the space around her territory, but it wasn't clear what she'd done. In Kazumi, several characters (like Umika, Niko and Kazumi) did it in various ways, and not just inside the freezer, but that's where it was most common.
* Storage/Hammerspace: Many girls just kind of pull small stuff out of nowhere, but the clearest example of the summoning thing for the storage is when Matsuri pulled out a grief seed from a magical sigil. It is possible the Feathers' robes have the power to store them, but at the very least, Iroha, Kuroe and Matsuri have all stored small objects somewhere on their person (usually just grief seeds, but it still counts). Elisa and Tart's weapons are also proof of this, as well as the obvious Homura shield.
* Energy Blasts: The Feathers attack Eve en mass during the AniReco finale. Feathers are also generally weak, plus Homura also used the same technique, same with Kyoko in AniReco. It stands to reason that it takes a bit of training.
* Summon Barriers: It was already there when I got to the article, but it is a normal application of magic which has been done many times. Natsuki deliberately learned it, and as you said, Kyoko and Mami also did it. Yuuri did the same thing too.
* Clones: Mami and Kanae are obvious, but it's clearly a learned ability that the girls can learn since Kanae and Mami are both different, plus these clones were clearly different from Kyoko's phantom clone ability.
* Teleportation: If you look at the battle animations, many girls are able to use it in short bursts. And since Suzune was able to learn it with her fire magic, as well as so many battle and magia animations, it seems to be a learnable thing.

I'll add and split these and others into "abilities that magical girls can learn" or something along those linesas you say.

: I have quite a lot to say here, so I'm going to split my response up into one spoilerbox per entry. Suffice to say though that I'm not convinced by your arguments. Most of them seem to be full of holes. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
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<blockquote>Homura's room did have magic added to it.</blockquote>This is what we're trying to determine, so it's not part of the argument.
<blockquote>I called it a labyrinth space because it shifts to Homura's emotions and memories when she hugs Madoka.</blockquote>I'll assume that "it shifts when she hugs Madoka" is a fact. What makes you believe that the shift is in response to Homura's emotions? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: Labyrinths shifting to memories and emotions is a thing that happens. It's unknown if it is diegetic, but there's a difference when emotional moments happen in the normal world, and when they happen in labyrinths.
:: It's just like what happens in the labyrinth of Charlotte in episode 3 (when Mami cries to Madoka and the scenery changes in response to Mami's emotions, being bright when she feels relieved)
:: The labyrinth of HN Elly in episode 4 (Madoka's memories are on display on the TVs)
:: Oktavia's labyrinth also shows memories (of Sayaka and Kyoko when Kyoko and Madoka enter the long aquarium walls)
:: Since Rebellion takes place in a labyrinth, this happens way more, like when Homura and Kyoko walk without the bus, the big tvs behind Mami and Homura showing Charlotte, the flowers responding to Homura and Madoka on the field. (It also happens more than normal, because Homura's the witch, so I can understand that this is a non-normal case)
:: Bottom line, the direction of art for when something emotional happens in a labyrinth, or labyrinth-like space, is different from when they're in the real world, as compared to labyrinths, especially with the memories being reflected on surfaces, which is what happens in Homura's white room when she cries and hugs Madoka. The memories may be non-diegetic, but the change of lighting and scenery is still something that only happens in Labyrinths, including the pendulum room.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:::You have completely missed the point. I'm arguing that I don't think there's evidence of it being a labyrinth at all, so pointing out all the places where labyrinths change based on someone's emotions doesn't help your argument in the slightest. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>However, Madoka also saw the murals of Walpurgisnacht and asking her about it.</blockquote>A character asking about it doesn't prove anything. Homura's response theoretically could, but I don't recall her saying anything relevant in the scene I think you're referring to. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: I meant that the murals are clearly there, and that the room isn't just a representation of Homura's obsession meant just for the audience. What I wanna convey is that the room actually looks like that.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
::Okay, sure, so that proves the murals are real. But it doesn't prove they're magical. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>Homura couldn't have possibly had that room on her own,</blockquote>This doesn't seem to be a reasonable initial assumption. I don't think anything was ever said about it directly, and it seems quite plausible to me for it to be something like a "video wall", or perhaps some form of video projection. In other words, the wall can be explained by technology, so bringing in magic as an explanation isn't necessary. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: I can understand this being a technological room (maybe Homura stole some money or equipment), but nothing hinted at that, plus looking at the other room in Homura's apartment (the one where she googled 'how to make a bomb' in episode 10) it's very different. Additionally, the room's layout reflects a clock with the seats, there's an invisible pendulum being swung around whose shadow we see all the time. This doesn't seem like a normal room, is what I'm trying to say. I get that the technology in the show is advanced, but for a student to just have a white empty room taking up more than one floor is very unlikely. But it is ultimately possible. It just doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility for an experienced Magical Girl to learn to use aspects of her witch, especially since a lot of magic takes the look of those INU Curry assets (even when used by magical girls). Additionally, this is confirmed by Episode 10 when Homura's making the bomb that this is her apartment where she stayed after getting out of the hospital, she didn't go to a different one after the second timeline.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
::I don't know why you're assuming Homura stole something. As far as I know, we don't have any evidence to suggest that Homura can't afford expensive equipment. (We also have no evidence to suggest that she ''can'' though, unless you count this room itself as evidence.) Furthermore, I'm not aware of any evidence that suggests the room was built by Homura – it could've easily been already there in her home, set up by her parents at some time in the past. I can see that some of your other arguments here are reasonable arguments for it maybe being magical though. I think it's reasonable to say that it ''might'' be magical and it might not be and we just don't have enough information to be sure either way. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>In one of the Tart events, Minou had also added enchantments and stuff to the space around her territory, but it wasn't clear what she'd done. In Kazumi, several characters (like Umika, Niko and Kazumi) did it in various ways, and not just inside the freezer, but that's where it was most common.</blockquote>I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to here. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: There's quite a few occasions where the Freezer has non-normal imagery in the back, again showing the emotions of the girls. However, with Kazumi's artstyle it's difficult to know what's real and what's in the character's minds.
: During the fight with Kazumi in the freezer, it also changes a lot, the space itself warps and the pillars move up and down in accordance to what the girls need (like when Mirai tries to save Saki). While this may be a technological feat, but they weren't using any device to make that happen, the pillars just knew how and when to make that happen. But again, the entrance to the Freezer itself was only opened to the saints' gems, so isn't that an aspect of "enchanting the environment" through magic in and of itself? It just doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility to imbue magic into a room to make it completely white, or somewhat respondent to one's input.
: In the Tart event, I recall talks about how the quarters of Minou (or rather the castle, while they were trying to reach the bell) had magic throughout it, but Minou's special cuz she has benefitted from many contracts, and wedon't know what it was since it was just dialogue in the game. Ultimately, this is the weakest, but I thougt it's worth bringing up.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Regarding the Freezer, it sounds less likely to be technological than Homura's room, though it's still possible. On the other hand, from your description here, I wouldn't conclude it's a labyrinth barrier either. Perhaps it ''could'' be, but as you mention yourself, they might have simply enchanted the walls and the pillars. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>My logic is that if a power isn't classified as unique to the girl, then it's something learnable.</blockquote>There is quite a gulf between "it's possible to learn this power" and "this is something that any girl can learn". And prior to your recent edits (which I've yet to look at), you were strongly implying the latter.
~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
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<blockquote>Many girls just kind of pull small stuff out of nowhere,</blockquote>Okay, but in how many of those cases are we able to prove that they didn't just pull them out of a pocket? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: For one, like when Iroha saved Yachiyo in episode 5, I can't see any pockets on her person, or most of the girls. But it's definitely possible. When Kuroe refused to give the grief seed to kuro in the flashback, she touches her pocket, but it's like how girls' phones stay in their pocket when they're in civilian form, and then when they transform, they just temporarily disappear and it's not acknowledged.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>but the clearest example of the summoning thing for the storage is when Matsuri pulled out a grief seed from a magical sigil.</blockquote>I'm not sure what event this is referring to. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: When Matsuri saved Suzune from Kagari, she gave her a Grief Seed which she pulled out of a small magical seal. Unless Matsuri can create tem out of thin air, that's just what she had in store for later use.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: I don't remember this scene, but it sounds like it shows Matsuri has some sort of storage magic, sure. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>at the very least, Iroha, Kuroe and Matsuri have all stored small objects somewhere on their person (usually just grief seeds, but it still counts).</blockquote>Did that happen in the anime? And can we prove they weren't just in a pocket? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: I can prove that for Matsuri at least.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: So you can't prove it for the others, then. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>Elisa and Tart's weapons are also proof of this,</blockquote>No, I don't think they are. I don't recall the mechanism for their weapons being explained, but it seems to me that "Pernelle enchanted them to do that" is an easier explanation than "every magical girl can do that". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: It's possible this is a Pernelle only thing too, but what I was referring to is that both of them can summon weapons that weren't originally theirs. They're both "one of a kind" things that they could keep in some kind of storage.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I knew what you meant – Pernelle crafted both Elisa's gun and Tart's sword, but those two both summon the weapon just like a normal magical girl weapon. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>as well as the obvious Homura shield.</blockquote>This one was never in question. But one example does not indicate a pattern. Homura's case is also very different from everything else mentioned here.
~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: With Maturi being confirmed to have done that, as well as many girls just randomly pulling stuff out of nowhere (another case is when Riz pulled grief seeds just by reaching into her back when fighting Minou's witch army, but that could have been an actual pocket tbh) it seemed a normal thing.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: If it's only grief seeds being pulled out from apparently nowhere though, I don't think that necessarily implies any kind of generic storage magic. Maybe all magical girls can store grief seeds in some magical pocket, but that doesn't necessarily mean they can store ''anything'' in that pocket. I would say it's unclear whether it's even true for grief seeds, as you could also explain it away as animation shortcuts. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
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<blockquote>The Feathers attack Eve en mass during the AniReco finale.</blockquote>Hmm, I suppose things that the feathers use can reasonably be extrapolated to "any magical girl can learn this". But when exactly did they use energy blasts? My understanding is that the feathers attack by enchanting chains to move according to their will, making it essentially a form of telekinesis, as well as a specific application of enchantments. I don't know how that leads to energy blasts. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: When Eve is bound, as well as flying overhead, the feathers and presumably many girls from Kamihama just shoot glowing projectiles at her. The chains were also just a weapon they could control, but the blasts of magic were done by so many girls that it seems safe to assume anyone can learn to do that. Many magia attacks also have the girls summo orbs or beams of energy regardless as well.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:Hmm, maybe this one is okay. I don't remember this happening but it's been awhile since I watched the Magica Record anime. Although, it seems like an anime-only thing, as I don't think there's any mention of it in the game version of the story. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
::This one seems the most harmless to me. Even the girls' normal attacks often involve some beams, projectiles, bursts of energy, etc. We've seen the energy blasts from every element type in the game, and with how many girls in Kamihama used it in the finale, it does seem very easy. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:00, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>Homura also used the same technique, same with Kyoko</blockquote>When? Though, Homura or Kyoko using it doesn't really prove much.
~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: Homura used it to threaten Sayaka in episode 8, and also used it when hunting Kyubey at the end of episode 10. Kyoko used it in the magia record anime with her hand when helping Iroha get to Yachiyo.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
::…what? I looked at episode 8, but I don't see anything that looks clearly like an energy blast. We see Homura's soul gem glowing, and perhaps it could be reasonable to expect an energy blast to appear, but nothing actually happens, so I think we can't conclude anything definite about what she might have been about to do. Episode 10 is clearer, though I think we can't rule out that it's an enchanted bullet rather than a pure energy blast. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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<blockquote>It was already there when I got to the article, but it is a normal application of magic which has been done many times. Natsuki deliberately learned it, and as you said, Kyoko and Mami also did it. Yuuri did the same thing too.</blockquote>The problem with this one is that all the girls who learn barriers have dramatically different barriers. Kyoko's barrier is made of criss-crossed chains, Mami's is made out of ribbons, and Yuuri's if I recall correctly was some kind of force shield. I don't know what Natsuki's was like. But 4 people creating 4 dramatically different types of barriers doesn't seem like it screams "this is something anyone can learn". It's more of a "they all figured out a way to protect things with the magic they were given". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: I'll add on to every case.
:: Natsuki's is learned and we don't see it. We can safely say that at least she can learn it.
:: Mami's was made out of her ribbons, so we can exclude it as her ribbon magic instead of just a barrier, even though there was a sort of effect around the ribbons clearly indicating a border was there, but I understand not including this.
:: Kyoko's barriers were made from chains, but in the magia record anime, she did also make a sort of protective bubble when helping Iroha.
:: Yuuri's was a force shield which damaged whoever got close, but we ultimately don't know what happens to those who would have touched Natsuki's, Mami's or Kyoko's barriers either.
:: Another case of this that I forgot to mention is Homura herself. When Oriko attacked the school, Homura created a shield around Madoka, which was similarly a bubble shape like Kyoko's (in anireco) and Mami's (in episode 3).
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: I think I do remember something like that in Oriko Magica, though from what I recall it was more like a cylinder than a sphere. That said, since it's Homura, it's not enough to conclude that any magical girl can do it, only that Homura specifically can do it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
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<blockquote>Mami and Kanae are obvious</blockquote>Mami yes, but what exactly is obvious about Kanae? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: Kanae summons clones in her magia attacks.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: I took a look at her Magia attack, but I don't see anything like clones. At most, maybe afterimages from moving really fast. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
::: No, I meant that in her vertical blast attack specifically, she creates two other copies, and all three of them attack at once, each in their own grid. But I don't think it holds weight, since as you said it's not common enough. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:00, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>it's clearly a learned ability that the girls can learn</blockquote>It's not clear at all, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: Mami's and Kanae's abilities were very different. Mami made the clone out of ribbons while Kanae just made them temporarily. They both learned to do that since they couldn't do that from the start. Maybe not every girl can do it, but some can.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:: As mentioned above, I don't think Kanae's ability is likely to be clones at all. It looks like a speed ability, not clones. I guess you could technically still call that clones if you want, but ultimately it has almost nothing in common with Mami's or Kyoko's clones. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

<blockquote>these clones were clearly different from Kyoko's phantom clone ability.</blockquote>And this here totally undermines the argument that clones are a common power that any girl can learn. If two (or three) girls develop a clone ability, but each of the three are dramatically different, that doesn't really point to anything common.
~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
: I don't think the clones were different from each other. I may be misunderstanding, but the clones were all the same in that they were replicas of the original girl which fought for them.
:: Maybe it's better to make a distinction of "theorized, or possible" learnable abilities.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
::: I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. We have 3 girls who have an ability that you describe as "clones". However, when you dig down into the details of how those 3 abilities actually work, they have almost nothing in common. Thus, the 3 abilities are all dramatically different. (I'm not saying the clones themselves are dramatically different from the original girl or anything like that. I'm saying the abilities are different.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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<blockquote>If you look at the battle animations, many girls are able to use it in short bursts.</blockquote>That's a massive stretch. If you're judging from battle animations, there's no way to tell the difference between "teleported" and "moved too fast to see".
<blockquote>And since Suzune was able to learn it with her fire magic,</blockquote>This is the first I've heard of Suzune having any kind of teleport magic. Are you talking about "Heat Haze"? I'm pretty sure that's invisibility, not teleport. The name strongly implies as such as well.
<blockquote>as well as so many battle and magia animations,</blockquote>Again, judging teleportation from the animations is a huge stretch.
~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

: Off the top of my head, here are the girls that clearly teleport (excluding special variants) :
:: Pernelle (that's like her whole thing, but it may be her special magic, so I'll continue with more examples, I also won't mention Minou for obvious reasons)
:: Suzune (her heat haze was explicitly clarified to be a teleportation or escape spell in Suzune event 1 and 2. In the ladder, she randomly ended up near Aimi (I think it was Aimi but it might've been another girl) and Suzune herself was surprised)
:: Anime Mifuyu (it can't be her hallucinations, since she left Kuroe behind in season 2 episode 2.)
:: Amaryllis (she literally made a portal and threw herself through it while encased in her giant dice cube)
:: Alexandra in her animations does it by playing her harp.
:: Yuna's is unclear on whether it was speed or teleporting to me, but I'll leave it as a probably not.
:: It's unclear if Shigure's magia had teleportation or the fast movement as you said, but she's never been shown to be that fast in the story. However, I'll still have this as a no.
::: I think we can trust the animations too, since Himena was flying through the sky in chapter 12, unless you watch her magia, you wouldn't know how she did that.
[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:::: This is a very strange list, because it contains girls who clearly can't teleport and also doesn't contain girls who clearly can. I took a look at some of the animations, but I really think they can't be trusted to give an accurate representation of the girl's abilities. You're missing at least Shizuku, Leila, and Coeurl. Anyway, that aside…
:::::Suzune: I have no idea what you mean with "in the ladder". I don't recall a case where she ended up surprised after using Heat Haze to get away, but that in and of itself doesn't prove it to be teleportation. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Mifuyu: I don't see how leaving Kuroe behind proves it's not her hallucinations. Maybe she ''chose'' to leave Kuroe behind. Or maybe Kuroe chose not to follow her. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Amaryllis: I don't remember this (maybe it was in Pillar of Eternity that I haven't watched yet?) but it sounds like unambiguously teleporting, so I'll accept that one.
:::::Alexandra, Yuna, Shigure: These are judged from the animations, where you can't trust the concept of space at all. Appearing right in front of the enemy doesn't necessarily mean they teleported there – the grid-based battlefield is not an accurate representation of each girl's location, so you could easily judge that they and the enemy being targeted just happened to be face-to-face at that moment. I do agree that all three magia animations can easily be interpreted as teleportation, though I'd say Yuna and Shigure give more of a "moved very fast" impression, but it's only weak evidence that they might be able to teleport. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::: Some of these are debatable, (especially Mifuyu and Suzune) but I'll relent since it doesn't seem common enough. Plus Hikaru and Yuna both learned new abilities because of their personal magics, but they're just heat resistance and making minions, both very unique and unrelated. Plus Ria predicted the future once, so I ultimately don't think it matters. What they can learn seems pretty subjective to the specific girl in most cases. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:00, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
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== Scene 0 ==

I would say that Scene 0 does not have any map. None of the files you uploaded for it give any indication of what it would actually look like in-game, because all those elements are layered together with parallax to produce the final effect. It ''may'' be worth posting screenshots of Scene 0 from in-game, to show the final look, but the individual elements that make it up (other than ones that have actual content) don't belong on the wiki. We want to show what the game looks like, not rip all the assets and distribute them. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
: Understood. I just saw that the file was changed back to how it was, but the files were missing, so I though I'd add them just in case they changed their mind. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:09, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

== Discord ==

Your Discord acc got hacked, it just sent me some crypto scam [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:09, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
* Yeah I saw that. I changed the password now. I'm really sorry, I didn't do that. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:19, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

== Sections ==

Just a minor note, but when moving text from one section to another, I'd suggest using the edit link at the top of the page rather than making two section edits, so that the add and remove can be seen as a single edit. I realize this can make your work a bit harder, but I think Ctrl+F should mostly cover that… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:26, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

== Thumbnails ==
Excuse me, have you found the Halloween Witch thumbnails like these? I can't find them in the upload log.[[User:Hotaru|Hotaru]] ([[User talk:Hotaru|talk]]) 21:04, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
<Gallery>
File:602002_thumbnail.png
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</Gallery>

: I'll look for them, I've just been very busy these past two weeks. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:13, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Hotaru|Hotaru]] ([[User talk:Hotaru|talk]]) 10:50, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

== Some Missing Thumbnails ==

Sorry to bother you, but I noticed that some enemy thumbnails seem to be missing. Could you please help add the following thumbnails?
* 621001 ~ 621015: Blessed Witch and Oscar
* 620006: Chelation Land Mascot (green)
--[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 16:29, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
: May I ask which kind? The ones that are circular or the ones that look like windows? [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:23, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:: circular. --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 10:54, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
::: Here [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 13:54, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
<gallery>
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File:621001_thumbnail_1.png
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</gallery>
:::: thanks!! --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 03:19, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
::::: ofc. Tell me whenever another one is missing. I may have missed a few. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:19, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

:Im not fully sure but since Momoko is a boss in Commoner's Horse, and you uploaded a full sprite of her ([[:File:101401 original.png]]) along with Rena, Kaede, the Amanes, Oriko and Kirika, does that mean that Touka and Holy Mami have those too? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:12, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Unfortunately no. There are for other enemies but those seven are the only complete sprites for the human characters. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:38, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

Coming here again cause you missed some before, so when you upload the new files from today's update you dont miss these.
* All the [[Minor Characters/Magia Exedra#Soldier|Soldier icons]]
* [[Zakuro]]'s icon
- [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:28, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

: Here, let me know if I've missed any ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 17:07, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

Coming here again, currently all ''Crépuscule de La Reine'' sprites and icons are missing, and I also forgot to mention last time that Raspberry's Nightmare form sprite and icon is missing. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:14, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

: Done, I think. Let me know if I've missed any. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:02, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

Idk if they're just missing, but you missed Izabel's Apex and Apex Overdrive form sprites (and icons obv), you did upload the Apex labyrinths and some of her textures so that's why I'm asking if you couldnt find them. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:56, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
: I must've missed them. I uploaded them now ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:27, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

== Upload request ==

[[File:Banner 00173 en-Latn.png|thumb]]
Could you upload all of the Exedra Event banners? I've changed [[Magia Exedra Events]] to use the portraits as the event images, but I think these banners would fit way better, right now we only have the banner for the first part of Crescent Memoria. (While you're at it pls upload the Serene Symbiosis portrait from the Doppel Mami event, I uploaded it but since I just grabbed it off of the Exedra wiki it has a different file name than the others, so pls upload it with the correct file name) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:39, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
: The files for the new event haven't been added to the database I use yet (don't wanna say in case THEY'RE listening), otherwise I would have implemented them. The only one I was able to find is the photo item. It's possible that it will update with the next event and in that case I'll upload it then. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 18:13, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
::Okay I'll be more patient, otherwise thank you ^^. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:27, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
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This is a very random request, but could you upload the texture files for the Tower and Upgrade Quests Windows?
<gallery>
File:WinchesterWindow.png
File:10^-43 Window.jpg
</gallery>
I remember you uploading the texture of one of the Scene 0 windows (deleted now), so I know they're ''somewhere'', I wanna try(?) arranging them so that we can have them with transparent backgrounds (since its just me arranging textures off of screenshots it won't be very accurate, but if this is our only way of getting them now, I wanna do it). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:22, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

I just remembered something I wanted to also ask for- When Witches are in Score Attacks, their Witch Kiss is displayed in the Score Attack menu, and I know that when Uwasa are Score Attack bosses Uwasa-san's face is displayed there. I know that the "emblem" files are tied to the Chamber of Light, and that the Uwasa don't have Uwasa-san's face there, so is there a way to get that file of somehow? It would be a nice addition to the Enemy pages. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:08, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

: I found these (I couldn't find the third Uwasa icon, I looked everywhere it's just nonexistent). I'll look for the score attack stuff in the meantime, though if I could get the file names for anything in score attack that has been uploaded, it will be easier. Until then, these are all I could find ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:40, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

::Thank you! I don't remember a SINGLE thing that's unique to the Score attacks that has been uploaded here, so I have no idea what the file names could be, but thank you so much again. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 11:00, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

[[File:Corbeau Memory Window.png|thumb]]
: Coming back here cause I realized, if its possible to get Witch Kisses from the windows (Like you did with Winchester's Kiss), could you get the Witch's Kiss from Corbeau's Window? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:51, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
::Seems like it'd be possible, but it might be a little difficult to erase the line down the centre... does Corbeau not have a witch kiss elsewhere, like from the Score Attack? (Oh, but if it's a texture file, perhaps the line won't be in the actual image, so you could be lucky. On the other hand, textures are sometimes at a weird angle, so who knows.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:26, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
::: I recall finding and uploading the icon in the past. If it's not in the files, I'll look for it. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:47, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
::: Apparently it only exists on this: [[File:20801001.png|50px]], but not on its own, not even as part of the assets for the windows. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:08, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
:::: Aw T-T. Well, thank you for checking anyway. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:50, 7 July 2026 (UTC)

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Here again. You just uploaded the files for the 100 Episodes MagiEtc event, but unlike the previous MagiEtc stories, you found the text-image files too. I already fused the text-image files with the background files and it looks really good. My question is, do those text-image files exist for Lighthouse Stamp Rally and Madoka-senpai's Heartphial story? If they do, please either upload them, and I'll get to fusing them (you already uploaded the background images so dont bother with those), or do it yourself and upload the fusions as new versions of the previously uploaded ones (dw, I'm up for doing it, I'm just sure it would be a bother for someone to have to delete all of them later ;-;). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:22, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

Oh wait while I'm already here, please also upload the Event Banner for [[Magia Exedra Event - Moments to Myself|Moments to Myself]], as you missed it and two frames of Lighthouse Stamp Rally, their names (should be) [[:File:Adv item mainbg 18 2.png]] and [[:File:Adv item mainbg 18 3.png]]. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:24, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

: I'll try to find them. I'm using an old laptop siince my normal one died, so every process takes a long loading time. I also don't have my editing/drawing programs here so I can't fuse anything (it's why I haven't made the enemy renders or the Scene 0 maps), sorry about that. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:03, 18 August 2026 (UTC)

:: Were you not able to find them? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 02:20, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

::: Done. I also found a more efficient way of getting the files. Hallelujah. I think I uploaded some previously deleted files unfortunately. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:32, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

:::: Yeah there's a lot to delete... But whatever right now I'm happy that I was able to do all of that, thank you! Also in the future maybe we should think of a way to share files without immediately uploading them onto the wiki ;-; - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:16, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

::::: I'll try to be more careful from now on, but my discord name is sweet_beanie ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 13:50, 19 August 2026 (UTC)
::::::When you use MsUpload you need to actually scan the list of files it shows you before you click "upload", to make sure you're not overwriting something you shouldn't overwrite (like with this last time you reverted TheresaFrog's addition of text to the 100 Episodes files). From what I recall when I last used it, you can cancel specific files in the list if you need to. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:45, 20 August 2026 (UTC)

== Timelines Ready ==

Putting this here cause idk if you're caught up on the timelines talk page, the list is "done". We agreed to just fuse Darc into Historical, same for Kazumi and Suzune into the "prelude" of the timelines. We also agreed that if any of them are big enough they could deserve their own pages, but not right now. We don't really know what to do with the Kirara Magica stuff as we decided that Other/Alt doesnt really have a reason to exist when Magia Exedra/Other does, Celtic said that they would rather decide after the articles are made. The last thing is that the nightmare stories from Exedra should go into either Original/Other or Magia Record/Other depending on where they happen, as they're "posibilities", which yeah means theyre not really canon but they still fit into those universes, as theyre posibilities. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:34, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
: Understood. I am very busy irl for the moment but I should e free tomorrow and I'll get to it, as well as finding the files of the latest exedra update. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:31, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
: So to make sure I understand correctly, this is the list right? If not just edit it and I'll do it tomorrow. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:57, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Yes that's what we ended up with. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:02, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
::: Sorry, but I reverted it. You just cut-and-pasted the content from one page to the other, instead of using the Move function (which is available to all users by the way, under "More"). For now I've moved all the Timelines articles to Timeline; you can redo the rest from there when you find the time. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:22, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
:::: Well dont just delete them, there's been changes that are lost and have to be redone now, plus some pages will have to be cut-and-pasted anyway like Magireco/Historical and Magireco/Prelude (cause right now theyre one page, and you cant really move one page to 2). Atleast move some of the pages yourself since you can move them without leaving redirects. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 23:50, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
::::: Yeah, some of them couldn't have just been moved, but those that could have been should have been. And nothing has been lost, for the record – if there's something that's really difficult to redo, I can recover it.
::::: Are there any right now that should be moved without leaving redirects? That is, their content will be the same (or mostly the same) but their final name will be different? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:55, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::Im not really sure just how many there are to move? A lot of the ones you already moved still seem to have that issue of "being just copy pasted instead of moved" like [[Timeline/Magia Record Game/Arc 1]] -> [[Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 1]]. Same goes for the individual timeline articles that got later fused into a single Scene 0 article. I just think its too much trouble trying to preserve the history when its so messy. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:03, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::It's true that perfectly preserving all the history isn't really feasible, since there's no concept of "merge" or "split" in the wiki's diff system, but we shouldn't actively work against it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:08, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::I mean yeah you're right, but this feels like too much, Imo you should just undelete/revert the pages, like yes history is important, it helps to see what person wrote what, but I don't really think its worth this much trouble when a lot of the history will be lost anyway. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:11, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::I deleted all the ones that were requested for deletion, and moved their talk pages to appropriate places. Other than that, I probably won't do anything more today, but I ''will'' look over the diffs of the deleted pages later to make sure nothing crucial was lost. So if you want to hold off on redoing anything that's not a straight and simple copy-paste until I get to that, feel free. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay, I think you should just undelete the ones that would have to be copy and pasted anyway, those are:
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Original/Prelude]]
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Magia Record/Prelude]]
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Magia Report]]
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Magia Record/Other]]
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Magia Record/Anime]]
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Magia Exedra/Other]]
::::::::::Each one of these was split off from an article that was big, now I think you should move:
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Miscellaneous]] -> [[Timeline/Original/Other]] OR [[Timeline/Miscellaneous]] -> [[Timeline/Other]] (depending on where you want the history)
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Original]] -> [[Timeline/Original/Historical]] OR leave it like it is and undelete [[Timeline/Original/Historical]] (depending on where you want the history)
::::::::::* [[Timeline/Magia Record]] -> [[Timeline/Magia Record/Historical]] OR leave it like it is and undelete [[Timeline/Magia Record/Historical]] (depending on where you want the history)
::::::::::- [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 07:01, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::: Okay, I undeleted the ones you listed. If I understand correctly, the three you've listed as "either move or undelete" are cases where big articles were split in half. Am I right on this point? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:20, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: Yes, you still have to move Timeline/Original and Timeline/Miscellaneous, idk how it works but if you can, undelete the versions you deleted of [[Timeline/Original]] and [[Timeline/Other]] (after moving). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:07, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::: That's done. I assume some things need to be deleted from the moved pages… anything else? I did restore some content onto a few other pages as well (and am still slowly working through that). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:37, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: There's still pages to delete - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::* [[Timeline/Original/Different Story]]
::::::::::::::* [[Timeline/Law of Cycles/Wraith Arc]]
::::::::::::::* [[Timeline/Original/Oriko]]
::::::::::::::: Also Timeline/Original was different as I recall. Specifically in its split & parallel timelines section. As it is now it's inaccurate to the current setup. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:49, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Done. I can see there are still some differences between the current [[Timeline]] page and the previous revision, so I'll dump that at [[User:Sweet Beanie/Timeline]] since I'm not sure which version is better. As for <s>Timeline/Original</s>, it looks like it's mostly just reordered, but I'll take another look at it. Are there any other pages with missing parts that I should look up? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:52, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::: Other than that, it seems fine. Thank you ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:55, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Timeline/Original wasn't the one I was thinking of that seemed reordered. It was Timeline/Original/Other. Timeline/Original was directly undeleted after renaming the previous revision to Timeline/Original/Historical, so it should be exactly the same; and if there's something missing it would be in Historical. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:58, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

::::::::::: Yeah, no. I did everything right for the splits and the content changes, though I'll grant I should have used Move for the simple renames, they'd still be too few. No, most of the pages couldn't have used the MOVE function since they needed to be split, changed and sorted again, reference tables needed to be created, links needed to be fixed, navigation tables, I found a couple of typos, etc. You'd see the information wasn't the exact same if you took the time to look through them. Even through the numbers in the recent changes page, you could see that what was added from one article was different from what was removed from another article. I worked for more than 3 hours yesterday to make sure they were all corrected, now I can't even see what I did since they're entirely deleted. Not to mention the big mess that will need to be fixed now that the Arc 2 reference links are shortened. Was your plan to have me do them again but this time use the move function and have the end result be the exact same, or did you genuinely not look through them? Return my articles to how I left them yesterday. It's absolutely disheartening to see something you did out of pure passion and love for a piece of media to be deleted and then be told to do it again. I wanted the information archived and available for the public so they can understand the franchise better and now it's entirely gone. Return the articles to how I left them yesterday, because I'm not doing this again. I don't even know where I'd find the original files and writing I used anymore and I'm not gonna go look. You could have literally waited a bit, asked, commented them out, or anything other than delete them entirely. Undelete them. Thank you in advance. I'll be back when I see them restored, or at least backed up somewhere where I can access them so I can use that much beloved Move function properly. Have a good day. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:40, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::Okay I did all I could, Im pretty sure the pages look ''almost'' identical to the originals, but obv that cant be 100%. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::::: I'm confused as to why they couldn't just be restored or backed up somewhere. Celtic has access to them, no? ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:50, 1 July 2026 (UTC)

[[Community:Timeline]]

[[Timeline]]

├── [[Timeline/Original]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Original/Historical]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Original/Prelude]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Original/Scene 0]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Original/Final]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Law of Cycles]]

│ └── [[Timeline/Devil]]

├── [[Timeline/Magia Record]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Magia Record/Historical]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Magia Record/Prelude]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 1]]

│ └── [[Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 2]]

│ └── [[Timeline/Magia Exedra]]

├── [[Timeline/Other]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Null]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Magia Report]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Original/Other]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Magia Record/Other]]

│ ├── [[Timeline/Magia Record/Anime]]

│ └── [[Timeline/Magia Exedra/Other]]

== Timeline Pages Question ==

I think some of the placements on the Magia Record timeline pages are wrong (though not as much as there used to be), am i allowed to just edit them or would the changes have to go through you first, just want to make sure ~ [[User:KyoSayaRulzRB|KyoSayaRulzRB]] ([[User talk:KyoSayaRulzRB|talk]])

:Yeah of course. I don't mean to hog the pages by any means and I appreciate people contributing to it.
: For Arc 1: The general method of organization on the pages are that if any events, like let's say the hypothetical Evil Sana Event to have an example, happen during the intermediate period where Mikazuki is together, but the Magius still exist, they're positioned by a general sense of time compared to the seasonal events, as well as other events that are close to them in order of release. Same things apply for Post-Arc 1. Since we don't know when they happen in relation to other events, their sections have the event names for that reason. I'll get to it eventually but every header will say something about it, like: "this event takes place at a point after Sana had very recently joined the Mikazuki Villa" or "This event was released after the Evil Felicia Event and the Evil Rena Event, thus it has been positioned between them here."
: In general just keep watch for
# Are both Sana and the Magius active (If yes, Intermediate period)
# Is Ui active (If yes, Post-Arc 1)
# Is Iroha or the Mikazuki team active (If not, then /Prologue)
# Are any Arc 2 elements or characters mentioned (If not, then it de factos to Post-Arc 1)
: For Arc 2: The story is a lot more tightly knit, so that's why I put them all in the Unknown Placement section. With the Mixed Summer event, it's becoming easier to determine the time of the year each part takes place in. If we're lucky, the Unknown Placement section keep being smaller and smaller, though with things like the Kimochi Raids, I suspect it'll at least have that as part of it.
: For Arc 2, keep watch for:
# the state of Alina
# Are Ikumi and/or Ryo alive
# If Mitama and Kanagi are still good guys
# Is Himena thought dead or not
# The opinion of Yuna and Ao towards KMU
# Have Touka and Nemu detonated yet
: I'll keep adding stuff to it as I go along, like the smaller stories that take place between everything, but I needed to get a sense of the passage of time first, especially for Arc 1.
~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:39, 5 August 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you, i do have a suggestion of where the Holiday events for Arc 2 would go
:::Post Arc 1: 2019 Halloween and Christmas Events + 2020 New Years and Valentines Events
:::Part 1: 2020 Summer Events
:::Part 2: 2020 & 2021 Halloween and Christmas Events + 2021 & 2022 New Years Events
:::Part 3: 2021 & 2022 Valentines Events
:::Part 5: 2021 & 2022 Summer Events
::Hope this is useful ~ [[User:KyoSayaRulzRB|KyoSayaRulzRB]] ([[User talk:KyoSayaRulzRB|talk]])

::: Thank you so much. You have no idea how much time you saved me omg (;_;). I made a list of just the events, I hope it makes sense, but if there's any issues in that one please let me know, the events all have the release dates and I followed your instructions on them (side note, it is easier to see if you're editing the section instead of reading it as a wiki user. Also no need to say, but feel free to edit the section too, I'm all out of steam for today) The section: [[User:Sweet Beanie/Sorting#Outline]]. Again, thank you so much. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 14:26, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

== Timelines Update ==

So what's the status on the timelines pages? I can see they're still being heavily edited, but they still haven't been cut down to a usable size. The Magia Record pages in particular are ridiculously huge. I can see most of the progress bars are almost full, so will you be cutting them down soon? To be honest, aside from Homura's loops, I think it could even make sense to cut out 100% of the exposition on these pages and reduce them to little more than a list of links in the order they most likely occurred. Maybe there's a good reason to leave in some summaries, but what we have now is mostly way too big for a timeline page – all this exposition should either be moved to pages for the relevant event or (if that page already has the information) deleted. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:59, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
: Yes of course! Now that the order for Arc 1 and Arc 2 has been decided(and we know how many years have passed), I think it's fine to have some of the more "filler-y" events be listed as just links, but this brings up some questions/things to do:

: 1. Question: Should the lists of the events each have a dedicated header? I'm leaning towards not, they can just be paragraphs like: "Events taking place during/after this time" or something like that. We'd also need a template for that.
: 2. Question: Since we now know how many years pass, should Arc 1 and Arc 2 have big sections like "First Year," "Second Year" and so on? That's how Prelude has it. And when we go from Arc 1 to Arc 2, do we keep the number, or will Arc 2 start from year 1 again? I think that if we decide to use years, we should do the latter and not start from another year 1 for Arc 2.
:: 2.1. And since Arc 1 starts from the day Iroha comes to Kamihama, which is sometime in Spring, should we put the parts after new years, but before Iroha arrives in Prelude or Arc 1? For each case, what should that section be called?
: 3. Thing to do: We should decide what stories to keep and what to remove besides the Main Story. For example, I believe all story parts that don't have their own event title header and are spread out should be kept (So this would mean keeping something like Wings in the Wind, whose story spreads out all throughout Arc 1, but we can remove filler events like Akari's Event). But I think we should keep important events, like Memory Drops and Dependence Blue. I think these are important for a clear understanding of what's happening.
: 3.1. Notably, since it's a timeline page, I vote we keep everything that involves time stuff, like the Tart events. I also think that events split in half should be kept, like for example Voices From Beyond, which has a part in the past and a part in a later point.
: 4. Thing to do: For the event pages, we should add sections in them (with links) that says something like "This is where x story takes place" kinda like how Summer With Mikazuki has a dedicated part that explains "Day 4 is where Swimsuit Iroha's Side Story takes place." We can even prepare a template to use for cohesion.
: 5. Once these are decided, I/we can proceed with making events into lists and also filling up some of the empty event pages, however I'd ask to hold off on Magia Record/Prelude for a bit more since we're still trying to figure out where some of its parts go. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:57, 9 August 2026 (UTC)
:: 1. This idea seems good to me.
:: 2. I'm not sure on this one. I haven't been monitoring things that closely, but I didn't think the main story arcs stretched over more than one year? You seem to be implying that the story takes several years, which doesn't seem to make much sense. It's probably impossible to really come to a definitive conclusion though (since the authors don't seem to care about chronology). There may be evidence that the events have to span multiple years, but if Hinano or Kanagi's graduation never happens, that's evidence that they can't span more than a year, which would be a contradiction. (This is excluding the flash-forward, of course.)
:: 3. Well, everything should be kept as at least a link. Any event that has a direct impact on the main story, such as Wings in the Wind, could still have some presence in the synopsis though. Events that are spread out in time would have links at each point they appear (possibly together with some synopsis, if they're important).
:: 4 & 5. Sounds good. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:44, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

::: Okay I did a big part of it. The entries that require some more changes than just removing and then listing them will be done tomorrow since I'll be sleeping, and I don't want their order messed up. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 19:07, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

:::: It already looks much better. I think the main story is also much too verbose though. It would be nice if each chapter could be reduced to at most two paragraphs or maybe around 5-20 bullet points. We would of course link to the full chapter details regardless. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:36, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

::::: On the plan as well, just want to make sure the Arc 2 chapters are full first since they're some of the most chaotic pages on the wiki. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:41, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

== Cleaning up Exedra files ==

There's a LOT of exedra images that share filenames, and it creates problems (as I'm sure youve noticed when you upload files T^T), would you be up for trying to start something like a standard for how we name the files based on what they are? I think you've already tried it when you uploaded Kriemhild Fausut's Chamber of Light image 3 times with specific filenames. The reason I'm asking you is because I know you upload most files, and if we did do this you would have to watch out for this while uploading them, and I don't wanna cause you extra trouble ;-;. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:33, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

: Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know about those. Exedra has a habit of quietly deleting files then bringing them back with a different name, or just renaming them. Plus when the same image is used in different contexts, like tower vs memory window, when I upload in bulk, I forget what was and what wasn't already there, or assume this new one is different. I will use more common names and try to guess what exists and what doesn't. I may also ask on talk pages before proceeding if I think a photo does exist. Right now, the most common thing that happens is that a character's unit thumbnail, their 3d character thumbnail, and their live2d thumbnail will all have the same name, so I've taken to adding a _1 or -1 at the end to differentiate, but I don't have a system in mind like "which one gets _1".. it's usually just the ones I do in order so they don't cause conflicts when uploading. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:03, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

:: So yeah my question is, would it be worth it to make a system like that? I think there's 3 groups of files that share names:
<gallery>
File:1003 thumbnail c.png|1003 thumbnail c
File:1003 thumbnail.png|1003 thumbnail

File:101002 thumbnail 3d.png|101002 thumbnail 3d
File:101003 thumbnail 2d.png|101002 thumbnail 2d
File:101002 thumbnail.png|101002 thumbnail

File:600001 thumbnail c.png|600001 thumbnail c
File:600001 thumbnail.png|600001 thumbnail
</gallery>

::Because of how common the icons are for enemies, I think it should be okay if they stay with their file names. The Chamber of light images for both Magical Girls and Witches could share a letter, as they both serve the same purpose. And lastly the dollhouse models could just use 3D and 2D at the end of their names. If you have any better ideas please tell me. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 08:21, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

:::I do think the Dollhouse files should have some kind of suffix, but maybe only the 2D ones need one? It seems like once the Live2D screenshots get uploaded, the 2D Dollhouse images usually get deleted anyway (?), so we'd eventually end up with just the 3D thumbnails left, but still have a bunch of filenames with "3D" stuck on the end. --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 09:01, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

:::: But that leaves the Magical Girl-Enemy icons, or atleast only Uwasa Tsuruno's as it has to have the extra '''02''' because for some reason Exedra decided to go against a system they set themself... The other enemy icons for Magical Girl-Enemies are either the same as their character icon, or are under unique ids (Holy Mami and Devil Homura). And if we format icons like that, imagine just how many Enemy-Enemy icons would have to be changed too. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:09, 29 August 2026 (UTC)

:So is it a no? T^T - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:57, 3 September 2026 (UTC)

:: No I'm all for it, but I'd like for there to be a naming system. The Dollhouse girls using _2d and _3d at the end is good, but idk if I should change the rest from their default names. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:44, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

::: Why not for the others too? In my head it would be smth like <code>1003 thumbnail l.png</code>, just maybe a letter that makes sense cause this one is random. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:25, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

:::: I can do that too. I just need a reference. Can you edit the titles of the photos here (the ones without Kimono Tsuruno) and I will use those as reference from now on. Feel free to add any if you want to. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 14:19, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

::::: Okay, thank you! I'll get to moving them into their new names in a sec. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:32, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

::::: Finally finished moving every file, I still need to change a LOT of pages to adjust but atleast this is done. If this system is followed correctly by everyone who uploads these files, then duplicate files should be way less common. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:01, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Let's hope so! Since I'm usually the one deleting those duplicates. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:14, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

: By the way, is there a 3D character thumbnail file for Name (maybe 113401 thumbnail.png)? She's in the Dollhouse, and we already have her 2D file, but I haven't seen the 3D one uploaded yet. --[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 21:13, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

:: I'll check. Thanks for providing the name. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:59, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

: I wanna ask for a file too, in the tower Glasses Homura is a fightable enemy, does she get an icon? (the same way Holy Mami, Devil Homura and Uwasa Tsuruno all got icons because they're fightable). If she does then make sure to blank the page that already exists with that name, cause I'm sure it will be either [[:File:100202 thumbnail.png]] or [[:File:100201 thumbnail.png]]. Tbf the tower doesnt even come out until Magia Day, but you already uploaded other files from it, so I'm unsure. Also while I'm here, could you find a render of Nighthawk from the bingo missions? I saw it on a video of someone finishing a full bingo and it seems perfect for the infobox, but its okay if you cant find it. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:52, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

:: Nighthawk may be hard since idk if their id'd be used for the bingo photo, but I'll try. Also as far as I recall these were the only photos for the MG Tower but I'll see if I missed something. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 18:31, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

::: Yes this is the one I was talking about, thank you so much! - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:54, 10 September 2026 (UTC)
<gallery>
File:BingoMissionResultCharacterImage02.png
</gallery>

:::: No problem. I can't believe I missed it. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 18:55, 10 September 2026 (UTC)

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== Status ==

Holy crap a wild mod appeared! --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:58, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
: Right, and I have to (finally) update the server and the Wiki software someday. —[[User:0x99|0x99]] 14:16, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

==pt version of Puella-magi wiki==
Hi maru

On last email and talk in irc, you've asked for me to wait the server be updated

Does it was done? Does you still have plans to open the wiki to another languages? When can we talk about this again?

Graciouslly

{{User:Hibiki/ass2}} 03:29, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

: Not much movement yet. Super busy with work. Sorry :( -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] 14:37, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

== Page patrolling ==

Hi I have previously created a page on the wiki at [[Pachinko and Pachislot]] but seems like it is not indexed by search engine as the page have not been patrolled by mods. Could you help review and mark the page? [[User:C933103|C933103]] 15:10, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure the wiki doesn't have patrolling enabled. How did you check that the page wasn't indexed? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:50, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

== It's me again ==
Any news? or you're saving efforts to update mediawiki at the moment? {{User:Hibiki/ass2}} 02:33, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

==Front Page Sidebar==

Is there anyway to add a link to the Magia Record anime in the sidebar under "Anime"? Especially since it will be launching in a few days and I don't know how to change that myself. Maybe also add the Magia Record Manga link as well?[[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 01:58, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
: Sorry that this took so long, I've added Magia Record to the sidebar. Will also redo the frontpage soon-ish. --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 05:44, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

== String parser functions ==

Based on [[Special:Version]] it looks like these are supported, but they don't work on a page so they are probably disabled (which is apparently the default). Is there any chance of enabling them? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
:Sorry, I didn't notice this message. I know it's a year overdue, but I've now enabled string parsers in the Wiki. Please let me know if you need anything else. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

== Bulk Upload ==

Was the MsUpload extension intentionally disabled or was that an accident? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:11, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
:I couldn't get it to work for some reason. I'll take a look at it later. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:40, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

== Permitted File Types ==

Any chance you could add .ogg (and maybe .mid) to the list of allowed file types? I was just thinking that it would be better to upload the musical rendering linked from [[:File:Sayaka Sheet.PNG|here]] directly to the wiki instead of hosting it on MediaFire. I think MediaWiki even has a built-in media player so it would be easy for anyone to listen to it if I converted it to .ogg. (Unless that's just an extension used on Wikipedia and the other big wikis?) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 03:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
:: I've enabled file uploads for ogg/mid/webm. Not sure if it'll work, but let me know if it doesn't. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

== Tabs ==

We were discussing building a tabbed view to show variants of a single character all on one page. I constructed style rules for it in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]], and it works almost perfectly, but there are a few little glitches that seem unsolvable without JavaScript… so I was wondering if you could perhaps add the first block of JS from [[User talk:SuzuneMU#Tabs]] to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]?

I already tested that code by pasting it into my browser's Developer Console; if you're uncertain of it, you can do the same before pushing it live. Or if you know of some other way to make the tabs function better, feel free to write your own code or edit [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] instead.

The second block of code on that page is a way to make tabs able to scroll left and right, useful if there are too many to fit on a page. I'm not sure if we'd actually need that, though. It's also tested in the same way as the other code, and works if <tt><nowiki>{{Tab Nav}}</nowiki></tt> is added to the top of the tab container. I didn't actually test the two blocks combined though. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:33, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

:: Done. Sorry, if I don't respond in a responsible time (2-3 days), please feel free to ping via email. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

== SVG upload is broken ==

See [[:File:^Rune.svg]] for the error message. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
:: Sorry about this, SVG should now work again (it should re-process on page visit). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:26, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

== A quick question ==

Hello 0x99, I have a quick question, if thats okay. I'm going through the "Unused files" page and finding ones fit for deletion. The thing is, I feel like Im annoying the mods by making so many requests. Is there any way I could get the files deleted without causing any trouble for anyone? If not, I'll just keep putting them in the Deletion category. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 18:17, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
:I think you already have the permission to delete pages (look at "More" in the top bar). You can directly delete it, but I actually like the Deletion Request category, since it serves as a double check in case somebody objects. We could probably do this automatically in the future with [[User:AnthonyBot]], though. By the way, thank you for taking the effort to clean up old images. It helps to shrink down the space and bandwidth usage by quite a lot (as these are often hotlinked as a forum signature, etc.). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
::Oh my! I do! Thanks. Sorry for bothering you! Have a good day. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 19:28, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
::If I can chime in real quick, I don't mind at all doing the deletions in batches. And thank you for your work!![[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 01:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
:::I'd also like to add, it's ok since we've been meaning to get rid of a lot of the fan art and unused stuff on here. Some stuff I wasn't sure on deleting since I couldn't tell if it was official or fan art, or in other cases whether we should keep stuff like [[Poorfag]]'s page+art around and the like around since it's technically fan-related but also part of the wiki's history and it's not really all that mixed in with official stuff. -[[User:The Witch's House|The Witch's House]] ([[User talk:The Witch's House|talk]]) 09:49, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
::::I'm perfectly fine with keeping ones with some history behind it or play a good part in the history of the community, e.g. meduca meguca stuff, poorfag, some memes in [[Deciphering the runes]], etc. Previously, there were a lot of fanart uploads that were just... un-permissioned fanart uploads (which were severely hotlinked). It's probably safe to clean those up. Though if the author uploads it themselves (or with permission) and linked from their User page, I think that's also cool to keep. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 09:56, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

==Caching issue?==

I noticed that [[:File:Mami 4star.png]] and [[:File:Mami 5star.png]] were reversed and tried to fix them by uploading each to the other as a new revision. However, somehow they're still reversed, at least for me. In the middle of it the wiki claimed they were duplicates, so I think the fix worked at some level, but they're now showing wrong? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 03:11, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
:I've been having the same issue. I replace a file and it shows as the original despite me refreshing, etc. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 04:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
::Ditto for me, but the problem only occurs for me when I'm actually viewing the file. Once I exit it/add it to the gallery, it seems to be okay. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 11:25, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
:::OK, I see the issue now. Looks like MediaWiki (still) only hashes the path on the first upload and not for subsequent revision, so the cache doesn't get expired. I'll do something. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 09:02, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
::::MediaWiki 1.38 includes a timestamp in a query parameter of a thumbnail URL only on a file page (e.g. [[:File:Sayaka_Chara_Sheet.png]], if you right-click on the image and use "Copy Image Link", it should have a timestamp appended to the URL). I've reconfigured the cache to take that timestamp into account when caching, so at least the file page should display a new version correctly now.
::::Annoyingly enough, this is not the case for other pages, such as in the article itself, the link to the image, and in the gallery view. The previous [[User:0x99/MediaWiki_Patches|patch]] that we used back in Cloudflare days no longer works due to how MediaWiki handles URL generation. I'll look into a way to patch this in the next few days.
::::In the meantime, I've cut the cache period from 2 hours on the server-side (not F5/Ctrl-Shift-R reloadable) and 1 week on the client side (F5/Ctrl-Shift-R reloadable) to 1 hour on both sides. This should help shorten the period where old images are shown on the article page and in the gallery. It should be back to instantaneous once I finished a new patch. I'll keep you posted. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 11:53, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

== Making a Wiki of my own ==

Hello 0x99! I've been wanting to make a Wiki for a game series I like, but don't quite know how to do it. Could I ask how you did it? (I know this isn't related to the PMMM Wiki, but I thought you would be the best person to ask) [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 17:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
:I'm not 0x99 but the process would be roughly as follows:
:#Get some hosting (either a VPS or a dedicated wiki-hosting site).
:#If it's a VPS, install the latest version of MediaWiki.
:#Add content.
:~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry for the late reply (I've been stuck in the bed for the past few days), but it's roughly as [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] said. Although, when you're getting started, using a shared hosting may also be an option. PMWiki has been going back and forth between dedicated VPS and [https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/ NearlyFreeSpeech] (no affiliate, I just had a very good experience with them). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 11:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

== Archived Talk Pages ==

I understand that they should not be edited, for obvious reasons, but does it seem okay to make small edits to fix broken internal links? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:Seems fine to me, we still have a full history anyway. --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

== Subpages & Galleries ==

I was wondering if it might be a good idea to enable the subpage system for the main namespace? That would mean that breadcrumbs are automatically shown on pages such as [[Witch Runes/Episode 1]]. Also, there are quite a few pages with the "Gallery:" prefix right now, so I wonder if we should make that a proper namespace? I'm not sure if having the pages already exist causes problems with doing either of those things. (I know it used to in older versions of MediaWiki, but maybe it doesn't anymore.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
:Note: regarding the galleries, I have also been considering treating them as subpages instead of using the "Gallery:" prefix/namespace. I'm not sure if that's better – some of the individual page names are quite long, so a page title like "Magia Record Episode: How Long Do We Continue Being Magical Girls?/Gallery" might be a bit too much. Though I did think of a redirect-based approach to work around that (which works – I tested it [[User:Celtic Minstrel/Sandbox/Episode 42|in my user space]]). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::I've enabled subpages for the main namespace and user namespace (and its relevant talk pages). As for Gallery, I think it makes sense to turn it into a proper namespace, only problem is that it requires a [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces#Dealing_with_existing_pages|a bit of migration]. Do you have any other candidates that should be a namespace? (Currently, only Speculah/Speculah_Talk are proper namespaces, which were created back in 2011 when it was still OK-ish to use NS=100...) --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I went through [[Special:AllPages]] from beginning to end and found the following pseudo-namespaces in use: [[Special:AllPages/Matlab|<tt>Matlab:</tt>]], [[Special:AllPages/Merchandies|<tt>Merchandise:</tt>]], and [[Special:AllPages/Spoiler|<tt>Spoiler:</tt>]]. I don't know what the Matlab stuff is but it probably shouldn't be a real namespace. Similarly, the two pages with the <tt>Spoiler:</tt> prefix are probably better to just rename. I'm not sure whether Merchandise is worth being a namespace. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I've moved Gallery (and its talk page) into a dedicated namespace with NSID 3002/3003, as well as migrating Speculah (and its talk page) to NSID 3000/3001 (was: 100/101). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 05:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I'm thinking that we could probably rename Speculah: to Article: so it can be used for some other original content as well (e.g. Matlab, Spoilers, etc.). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::Also Wiki email sending seem very delayed right now (I got this notification on 26th), I have to fix this. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:37, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

== Broken Page ==

When you set up the Gallery namespace, one page became inaccessible and is now impossible to edit or delete: [[Gallery: Tsukasa Anime Screenshots]]. Note the space after the colon – it seems the system automatically strips that space out when attempting to view, edit, or delete the page, yet the page still is counted as existing. Is there anything that can be done about this? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:(You can see evidence of its existence at [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] for example. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::In the database the space seems properly migrated, as there are two entities "Tsukasa_Anime_Screenshots" (id=45269), and "_Tsukasa_Anime_Screenshots" (id=39539). When accessing the page [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/?curid=39539 directly from page ID], it appears that the page is failing assertions (see below). My guess is that MediaWiki has started doing some title sanitization and redirection, sometimes when this page was created, and until the upgrade. Since any page with a space in front will automatically redirected to the one without (try " Main_Page"), I think I'll just delete the page via a maintenance script. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::aaaand of course the script helpfully sanitize the title before searching, so "Gallery:_Tsukasa_Anime_Screenshots" is inaccessible over there too. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::It appears that [[:mw:Manual:cleanupTitles.php]] can sanitize these title and prefix them with <code>Broken/</code>. I've done this, and only one page affected is this very page, which is now located at [[Broken/Gallery:Tsukasa_Anime_Screenshots]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]])

<pre>
MediaWiki internal error.

Original exception: [5cfa7aa88cfc4104825b1e98] /Main_Page?curid=39539 Wikimedia\Assert\ParameterAssertionException: Bad value for parameter $title: invalid name '_Tsukasa_Anime_Screenshots'
Backtrace:
from /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/vendor/wikimedia/assert/src/Assert.php(72)
#0 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/title/TitleValue.php(203): Wikimedia\Assert\Assert::parameter(bool, string, string)
#1 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/title/TitleValue.php(168): MediaWiki\Title\TitleValue::assertValidSpec(int, string, string, string)
#2 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/title/TitleValue.php(111): MediaWiki\Title\TitleValue->__construct(int, string)
#3 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/Permissions/RestrictionStore.php(366): MediaWiki\Title\TitleValue::newFromPage(MediaWiki\Title\Title)
#4 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/Permissions/RestrictionStore.php(122): MediaWiki\Permissions\RestrictionStore->loadRestrictions(MediaWiki\Title\Title)
#5 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/Permissions/RestrictionStore.php(107): MediaWiki\Permissions\RestrictionStore->getAllRestrictions(MediaWiki\Title\Title)
#6 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/Permissions/PermissionManager.php(1088): MediaWiki\Permissions\RestrictionStore->getRestrictions(MediaWiki\Title\Title, string)
#7 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/Permissions/PermissionManager.php(507): MediaWiki\Permissions\PermissionManager->checkPageRestrictions(string, MediaWiki\User\User, MediaWiki\Permissions\PermissionStatus, string, bool, MediaWiki\Title\Title)
#8 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/Permissions/PermissionManager.php(289): MediaWiki\Permissions\PermissionManager->getPermissionStatus(string, MediaWiki\User\User, MediaWiki\Title\Title, string, bool)
#9 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/Permissions/UserAuthority.php(410): MediaWiki\Permissions\PermissionManager->userCan(string, MediaWiki\User\User, MediaWiki\Title\Title, string)
#10 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/Permissions/UserAuthority.php(171): MediaWiki\Permissions\UserAuthority->internalCan(string, string, MediaWiki\Title\Title, null, bool)
#11 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/user/User.php(3254): MediaWiki\Permissions\UserAuthority->probablyCan(string, MediaWiki\Title\Title, null)
#12 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/page/Article.php(519): MediaWiki\User\User->probablyCan(string, MediaWiki\Title\Title)
#13 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/actions/ViewAction.php(78): Article->view()
#14 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(733): ViewAction->show()
#15 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(510): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->performAction(Article, MediaWiki\Title\Title)
#16 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(146): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->performRequest()
#17 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/includes/MediaWikiEntryPoint.php(200): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->execute()
#18 /var/www/public/wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php(58): MediaWiki\MediaWikiEntryPoint->run()
#19 {main}
</pre>

== Security Measures ==

I have noticed a increasing number of random bots and suspicious users who spam links. The admins are trying so hard to block and clear those users' pages, yet they still come back occasionally. Do you have any ways to increase the security measures to ensure this will not happen again? Thanks. [[User:RaviaVee|RaviaVee]] ([[User talk:RaviaVee|talk]]) 16:13, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
: I've been trying stuff on-and-off in the background (DNSBL, etc.) but none is effective so far. Sadly, this is very hard in the current landscape. Previously, we used a random trivial about the series as a way to screen out bots, and it has been very effective for the past 10 or so years. However, (no) thanks to ChatGPT and the likes, this is now extremely trivial to defeat. Alternatives such as reCAPTCHA are easy to defeat and a privacy nightmare, hCaptcha now feed into yet another AI training, and I have doubts about increasing Cloudflare's influence over the internet with Cloudflare Turnstile. I've disabled new accounts from creating a talk page for now, though this probably result in bots replacing/injecting other pages with a spam content instead. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:20, 22 January 2025 (UTC)
:: At least that's one fewer click needed when we actually block them though. By default blocked users are still able to edit their own talk page, unless we specifically tick a box. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:58, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

== Common CSS ==

Hello 0x99. I am trying to add tabbed headers to the wiki, and I need the CSS to be edited in order to make it visually pleasing. I could probably (maybe) do it myself, but I don't think I can access the CSS. I have images to use for reference that I have been provided from another wiki I work on. Would you be fine with me sending these images to your email so that you can implement it into the CSS? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 21:44, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
:Never mind. I found it. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 21:46, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
::I don't believe you did. It looks like you edited your user common.css, which is used to make the wiki appear different just for yourself. To modify CSS globally, normally you edit [[Mediawiki:common.css]]. You could also use the template styles plugin – see the main page for an example of this. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:11, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
::: P.S. I may have already done the work you need in the tabbed interface used for costumes on the Magia Record pages. You should at least take a look at it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:11, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
:::Don't worry, I know. I'm editing my personal one to make sure it works before I make the changes global. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 00:27, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

== Gallery Rules ==

I was wondering if it would be easy to automatically add a box at the top of all gallery pages that links to [[Gallery:About]]? (The actual content of that page can be discussed on its talk page if you want.) Also, since I just moved a bunch of gallery pages around, there are probably lots of double and triple and maybe even quadruple redirects now, so would you mind running your bot to automatically clean those up? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:07, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

:: I think that's good to have. We currently have [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageNotice PageNotice] that could do this if it doesn't need to be "fenced" like community pages. As for the latter, I'll take a look this weekend. Sorry! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:36, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

:::Okay, I created the top-notice page. It seems the template styles don't work, but maybe that's okay? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:27, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

:::I think breadcrumbs for subpages are only shown on specific namespaces, right? Could I ask you to turn that on for gallery pages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:46, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
:::There are even more double/triple redirects now… will you be able to run your bot? Or will I need to spend some time to manually correct them? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:00, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
:::: I've run this, sorry for the delay (was very busy for the past few weeks) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 01:47, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
::::: I'm confused… I thought we were on the same page, but… you say you've run it, yet I don't see any edits from AnthonyBot? Did you think I was referring to something else? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:52, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::: Oh, I didn't realized the bot did not pick up the gallery namespace. It did fixed the rest though: https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Special:RecentChanges?hidehumans=1&limit=50&days=7&enhanced=1&urlversion=2. Let me find some time to fix that. - [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:29, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::: Oh! Apparently I had my recent changes view filtering out bot edits, and as you say it didn't touch the gallery pages, so it's no wonder I never noticed the edits. By the way, what about my question about breadcrumbs on gallery pages? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:38, 21 October 2025 (UTC)
:::::::: Gallery redirects are fixed and breadcrumb is now enabled. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 11:37, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::: Also, it looks like at least some, possibly most, of the edits in that log are actually wrong – it stripped off the section part of the link, thus breaking it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:40, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: I've fixed this and all the pages. The script wasn't properly taking into account sections when it parses redirect. Thank you for flagging! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 11:37, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::::::::: Just a heads-up – I've noticed at least one case where the bot also deleted a category link when updating a redirect target. I'll probably fix all the instances manually this time, but it's another thing to consider… also, sometimes the category link is hidden behind a template. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:59, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::: I've noticed this midway through and fixed the script, but there are few pages that are affected. I've omitted talk pages from the run for the time being, will do once I clean up the script some more (it turns out redirect fixing is more complicate than I thought due to all the sections handling...) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:17, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

==Bot edits==
Hiiiii so I've been uploading a hellton of Magia Exedra files and they've been making RecentChanges nigh unreadable. I thought just using PyWikiBot would auto-mark my edits as Bot but apparently it's not the case. So as I was suggested to ask on [[Talk:Main Page]], can I have those perms? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 10:47, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
: Hey! I've added you to the bot group, I think this should give you all the rights to mark your edits as bot edit. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:45, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
:: Wait, so, for some reason my manual edits end up marked as bot as well. I made a new acc for bot stuff, [[User:EPFBot]]. Could you remove the bot perms from my main and add them onto that? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 11:08, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
::: Done. Sorry that this took so long, I'm not sure why I'm not getting notified about talk page updates all of a sudden... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 00:05, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

== File deletion request ==

I accidentally typed the wrong filename and I removed the redirect after renaming it to the correct name: [[File:Madoka_magica_tv_edition_poster_theater.jpg]], would you mind deleting the changes I made there? Thanks in advance. [[User:L1948L|L1948L]] ([[User talk:L1948L|talk]]) 06:08, 1 May 2026 (UTC-3)
:I guess you meant this one: [[:File:Madoka magica tv edition poster theater.jpg]]. Done, but I just noticed the cache is broken on the files page :( Let me find some time to fix this. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 09:14, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

== Image Dump ==

Hello! I've been regularly backing up the wiki for myself, but the method I was using doesn't work anymore. From the public backups page, are image dumps still an option? -- [[User:Orievie|Orievie]] ([[User talk:Orievie|talk]]) 21:30, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
: Did you get any error messages? I may be able to fix that. If I exclude thumb and archived/deleted images, image dump seems to only take about ~40GB. However, the server is running low on space right now, so I have to fix that first (no ETA for this, sorry; fixing Cloudflare rules is probably easier). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:11, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
:: I'm using wikiteam3. I can post the full output if needed, but it's a whole lot of HTTP 403. Other wikis work, and another tool, that doesn't get full images, has also been able to connect to this one. -- [[User:Orievie|Orievie]] ([[User talk:Orievie|talk]]) 23:19, 2 July 2026 (UTC)
::: This should be solved now that we've removed Cloudflare. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:59, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
:::: It's working now, thank you! -- [[User:Orievie|Orievie]] ([[User talk:Orievie|talk]]) 01:11, 21 August 2026 (UTC)

== Asset Dumping ==

Could I please have your input [[User_talk:Sweet_Beanie#Too_Many_Files|here]]? My viewpoint is that this is a wiki, not an asset dump, so we should only upload files we actually want to use (and, especially, should never upload files that are meant for 3D modelling, like raw textures); but that user seems to make a habit of always uploading everything without the slightest triage, and then I spend an hour deleting half of it because it's not even something we ''possibly could'' use on a page. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 03:13, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

Category:Locations introduced in Suzune Magica

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Category:Locations introduced in Scene 0

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Category:Locations introduced in Rebellion

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Category:Locations introduced in Magia Exedra

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Category:Locations introduced in Magia Record

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Talk:Main Page

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== Main Page cleanup ==

I've taken the liberty to clean up the Main Page styling a little. It's using the same layout as before, but with more consistent spacing/etc. so it looks a lot less cluttered. It's also now and a lot less broken when viewing on a mobile phone. Adding/removing columns should now be a lot less insane. I'm unsure what to do with the News/Wishlist links, though, since they haven't been updated for quite a long time. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

: The News page could probably be updated by trawling the Main Page edit history, and maybe adding other bits if you can think of them. With some work it could even be arranged so that it's the ''source'' of the news on the main page (wrapping the lines that should be on the main page in <nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki> tags). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

:: Good idea. I'll find some time to do it. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

:: I did this, seems to work great. Now to populate 2015 to 2021... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

::: That's slightly different from my thought, but it's probably easier to work with this way anyway. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

== Main visual ==

Would it be worthwhile to add the Scene0 main visual to the main page, too? I think a tabber would work for the desktop view, and on mobile there should be enough space to add it below Rising's. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
: I've made some adjustments, what do you think? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:: I'm not sure… I've been so used to seeing the name beside the key visual and now it's moved below it… I can't find any real complaints though… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
::: OK, let's try again. What about this one? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:::: Oooh, I like it! Thanks [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

==Not sure where to put this==

So... I'm not sure why I'm not an autoconfirmed user, but I don't know where to put this question? -- [[User talk:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]]
:I think you may need to wait few more hours. Autoconfirm is set to 3 edits and 7 days from the date of registration. From what I see, you should get autoconfirmed today (Nov 7) at 20:18:23 (UTC) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you! I didn't realize it was so exact. :) [[User:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]] ([[User talk:ReiAyanami|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Sorry for this, we used to have a lot of spam back in the day (who made a few edits to get autoconfirmed then proceeded on creating an SEO spam page). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 21:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

== Future of Fanworks ==

'''(This was originally on my talk page but I have moved it here as it concerns the whole wiki.)''' While not an official Wiki, this is a Wiki for official content. Outside of personal OC's on the user's pages, is there a reason to include fanworks on the wiki? Fan roleplays have long since died, and many games are likely dead due to flash player shutting down. Is there a reason to have them? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 17:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
:I think it's best to keep what we have now as an archive rather than remove it since they were a part of the fanbase during the early days. We keep [[Poorfag]]'s page up for a reason since it was a meme thing and it doesn't interfere with official pages much like OCs on our user pages. As long as they're kept separate from the official stuff, I think it's ok. I believe you can still play the games even though flash player shut down, I remember there being a big project to archive and make old flash games playable when the shut down was initially announced. -[[User:The Witch's House|The Witch's House]] ([[User talk:The Witch's House|talk]]) 02:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
::I'm also very much agree with this. For a more early meme and such we could make a banner that this was part of the community in the early days and are no longer updated. For ongoing content such as [[Fanworks]] I think the list of games/media/crossover are still worth keeping (and possibly updating). --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

== GunsGirlZ Crossover ==

So I have been just looking around the wiki, and I stumbled across the crossover page! I read it, expecting it to have the GGZ collab in it... but it wasn't there? I was wondering if it just hadn't been added yet, or if theres a reason that it hasn't been! The GGZ collab is probably my favorite PMMM collab, with the battle cats coming in second :P

[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]]) 17:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)♥
:Honestly it just hasnt been updated. you're more than welcome to add the info if you'd like (I dont play it unfortunately but it looked cute!)[[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 21:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

::I can't see anything about the crossover on the page you linked to. You should link not to the other wiki's main page but to a page actually talking about the crossover. Otherwise there's no point in adding the link at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that. The link broke... Sadly since the computer I use is limited by my school I can't fix the link,, I'm sorry haha
[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]])♥

:Looks like someone else fixed it for you, so it's okay. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

== Tweets ==

I think maybe we should work out a consistent policy on tweets. There are currently 711 tweets and 2 twitter profile icons linked from across the wiki (see list <span class=plainlinks>[{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://mobile.twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://*.twimg.com}}&namespace= here]</span>), and they're often used as references, or even image links. The trouble with this is that tweets are inherently transitory. A link to a tweet is liable to go dead at any time, and indeed at least one of the tweeters commonly linked to (GAN) has a habit of deleting old tweets. Twitter icons are even worse for linking to – they're ''guaranteed'' to go dead after an unknown amount of time. We should just ''not'' link to them ever. Uploading one as a reference is fine if it seems useful, though.

If tweets are to be used as references, I think it would be better to archive them (perhaps on the [[Tweets]] page or a similar page), and all other places then link to there instead. Of course, that can still link back to the original tweet (if it still exists). For tweets that include unique images, especially when the image is used as a source for example to determine a character's hair or eye colour, that image should be uploaded to the wiki so it's not lost. I think there are already some that have been lost, and I hope it may be possible to find them somehow.

(I do think including all images that core people tweet related to the franchise is a little excessive though. GAN in particular tends to tweet inapproprate out-of-character fanart which in my opinion often doesn't add much if anything of value to the relevant wiki pages. See [[Talk:GAN#"Official Fanart" Pruning|separate discussion]] on this.)

For tweets that include non-unique images, it's probably good enough to add a brief note that there were images and, in some cases, maybe link to similar images that already exist on the wiki.

~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

: I agree with this, especially now that you cannot view replies/some tweets with images without logging in. As for archiving, though, I'm not sure if we should archive them on a separate page, or do it as ref (similar to [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Scene 0#References]]). The initial intention of the [[Tweets]] page was for Tweets that are primary content (Urobuchi/Miyamoto's off-hand remarks about things). I think episodic content on that page should probably be moved into each episodes, but for reference I feel like <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> may be a better option. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:: For purely text tweets, or tweets that just threw in a random image, yeah, I think they could probably be squeezed into a reference. Would definitely make sense to have a template for that still. For tweets that are primarily an image maybe with a comment, if the image is deemed relevant I think it should be uploaded (which is what's been done for ''most'' of GAN's images). The tweet's text could be put in the image's caption, or added as a reference from the image's caption. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

== Captcha ==
The wiki has its own captcha system that asks questions about MadoMagi, used for instance when you're trying to add an external link. One of those questions is about the latest social game. It'll probably need to be updated soon, given MagiReco is about to end its service and MagiEx will soon release [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 06:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
: I've replaced all Magia Record-related questions with the Walpurgisnacht movie instead. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:: The movie isn't "upcoming" anymore, so one of the questions is inaccurate now [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 07:43, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Fixed. Thanks for this. I got a lot of fun CAPTCHAs out of WR, hope to put them up there one day (not soon) :P -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:53, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

== Sidebar ==

How do we edit the sidebar? I'm asking because I think we should add Madoka Magica Plus and Magia Exedra to the "Games" section. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 11:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
:It can be edited at [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 11:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

== Games ==

The section is already cluttered as it is, but I feel like I should ask about the possible inclusion of the slot/arcade games. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 03:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
: Perhaps we can break down the section further, e.g.
:; Titles
::; Mainline
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica (Manga, LN, Compilation)
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Rebellion (Manga)
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Walpurgis no Kaiten
::; Side Story
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Homura's Revenge!
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Different Story
:::* Puella Magi Homura Tamura
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Wraith Arc
:::* Puella Magi Kazumi Magica
:::* Puella Magi Oriko Magica (Extra Story, Sadness Prayer)
:::* Puella Magi Suzune Magica
:::* Puella Magi Tart Magica
:::* Null Magical Girl
::; Compilation
:::* Manga Time Kirara Magica
:;Games
::; PC/Smartphone
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Magia Exedra
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story: Magia Record (Manga, Anime)
::; Mobile
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobage
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Plus
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobcast
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Online
::; Console
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable
:Not sure what's the best categorization we can do here, but I think this should allow more items in the section without looking too overwhelming. Thoughts? --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::I just realized you meant the sidebar (oops). I guess we could likely do the same, breaking the Games section into PC/Smartphone, Mobile, Console, and Arcade? --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I like that idea. Maybe we can keep the "Official Games" section, and add an "Arcade" section under it (are subsections possible in this format? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
It definitely needs something, and alphabetical or by release year would be nice because as it is it's hard to find which one you're looking for with so many. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 00:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:I'm currently trying to have it sorted by release order, but there may be some errors in it. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
: I think the plan to have every game be in the sidebar is incredibly misguided. I'd prefer to have only the most prominent ones listed, and then maybe an "Other" link at the bottom. Perhaps multiple "Other" links if there are strong categories. Right now it is just terribly cluttered up with what seem to me like minor games. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
::I see your point. Maybe we can discuss what we think is a necessary game to include? For now, I think we can cut out Madoka iP, Madoka Flash, Madoka Puzzle of Memory and Madoka Magical Coin. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 14:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
:: Side note: This probably should've been discussed on [[Mediawiki talk:Sidebar]] instead? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

==Wiki logo==
The wiki used to have a fancier header logo, as seen https://web.archive.org/web/20170703125702/http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Poorfag https://web.archive.org/web/20170706032551im_/https://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/header.jpg here. What happened? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

: This used to be a skin of the old Vector theme called "Magica". It was done as a skin rather than Common.css for a few reasons, one to avoid breakage when user opt for other themes (Monobook theme was still used by some people back when we used to hang out in #madoka @ Rizon), and another was due to that we needed to modify some gradient background PNG to have a proper transparent (very subtle: [https://web.archive.org/web/20170706021652im_/https://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/tab-current-fade.png magica's tab-current-fade.png] vs [https://web.archive.org/web/20120410121109im_/http://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/vector/images/tab-current-fade.png vector's tab-current-fade.png]).
: Sadly, this broke during an upgrade to MediaWiki 1.39 in 2018 due to the Vector theme subsystem changes, and I no longer have the original Pixelmator file that I used to create the original one, so it never gets ported. (Vector is also quite a moving target which no backward compatibility guarantee, so we probably shouldn't be basing a skin on it.) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

:: While we're on this topic of a fancy skin, [[mw:Skin:Citizen]] is also pretty nice and would help with the "sidebar becoming too long" issue we're having (by turning it into a menu instead). Not sure how much we can customize it, though. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

::: I've now enabled Citizen skin, which can be turned on via [[Special:Preferences]], but as nothing in the Wiki has color preference awareness (dark/light), it's pretty broken in dark mode. --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:::: I've started collecting pages and templates that are especially egregious on Citizen and Vector 2022 dark modes. Those are [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and [[:Category:Templates with no dark theme awareness]]. Some of those are easy fixes that surmount to "remove #fff from template", but pages like [[Witch Runes]], [[Template:Magia Exedra Battle Icon]] or [[Template:Magia Exedra Role Icon]] depend on images in specific color (the first in black, the second in white but inverted with css). I don't know how to make CSS that takes note of whether a theme is a Light Mode or a Dark Mode one (so that I can implement appropriate color inverts). Additionally, many pages like [[Isabeau]] use non-template spoiler boxes that start with "Warning, this section contains spoilers.". Can we nuke that non-Template template? It's a wiki, of course it'll contain spoilers. What's considered a spoiler changes over the years anyway, glasses Homura was a huge spoiler when episode 10(?) dropped, but she was a release unit in Magia Record, for instance. It's utterly pointless trying to determine what is and isn't a spoiler. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: Oh, also, is there any way to change Citizen's code? It consistently ignores my width:100% table parameters, and !header cells are off-center, too. Breaks [[Template:Magia_Record_Memoria_Row]] and my [[Template:Magia_Exedra_Stats]]. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

==Usefulness of Template:Pixiv tag and Template:Booru tag==
I noticed we have [[Template:Pixiv tag]] and [[Template:Booru tag]]. The thing is, they haven't really been used on modern articles much, see [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Booru_tag]] and [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Pixiv_tag]]: no Magia Record girls have those on their pages, for one. Additionally, Pixiv is exclusively for fanart, and while Dan/Gelbooru both host official art, they're predominantly fanart repost sites. And, well, they also have a large percentage of NSFW content, which is not suitable for the wiki. Should all characters have those added if possible, or is nuking those better? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 18:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
: Seems like [[User:Amaterasu]] went ahead and removed the tag from some pages? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, I did. It is my view that a wiki like this, in which wording if formal and information is aimed to be official, NSFW and fanworks content should not be linked to unless there is a specific page for fanworks and NSFW content. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 16:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
:It's difficult to type out those tags when searching pixiv (at least for those of us who aren't very familiar with Japanese), so I think it would be convenient to keep them around. I don't know if this also holds for dan/gel booru. But I can also see the desire to not link to unofficial content. I suppose this places me on the fence on this. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

==Broken files?==
I was uploading the Exedra backgrounds with [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/Scripts#Main_Bot_Scripts PyWikiBot]. However, it appears some files ended up broken, namely:
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90170_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90173_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90176_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90179_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90195_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90205_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90237_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90263_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90268_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90274_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90274_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90289_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90289_04.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90289_05.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90297_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90298_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90299_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90305_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90307_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90311_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90311_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90313_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90316_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90317_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90326_01.png]]
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* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90328_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90329_02.png]]
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* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90333_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90336_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90338_01.png]]
They appear like they have a redlink instead of an image in https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Exedra_Backgrounds&filefrom=Bg+adv+99+90338+01.png#mw-category-media , and it says there that the file is missing. However, trying to upload it again gives me two warnings:
* A file with this name exists already, please check File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png if you are not sure if you want to overwrite it.
* The upload is an exact duplicate of the current version of File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png.
What can be done about it? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
: Sorry about this. You probably have to reupload. We ran out of disk space over the past few hours. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:12, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

==DPL==
Hey, could we get [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList DynamicPageList] extension on this wiki? I think it'd make stuff like story appearances for game characters easier, like [[Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra#Appearances]] would ideally be equal to [[:Category:Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra_Story]], so there's IMO no point in maintaining those lists manually. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
: Done. I haven't changed any configuration options from the default. Let me know if you want me to change one of those. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:08, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
:: Thanks! But now that I did more research, it seeeeeeems I requested the wrong version and I should have asked for [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList3 DPL3] instead... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 19:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::: OK, I've replaced DPL with DPL3. (Also, it looks like mailer is broken again, if I don't respond in a day, feel free to ping via email...) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:24, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::: I've looked over the DPL3 manual (both the official one and the Genshin Impact one that EPF linked) and it is absolutely insane. The way things are done makes no sense whatsoever. I can work with it if it's the only tool available, though… but I kind of wonder if there's an alternative? (For example, writing a module to do the specific thing desired.) It would be nice if I could just write out a template that the page names get substituted into, rather than all sorts of magic separators and non-unicode escape characters. It claims that it "leaves output control completely to the user", but that's not really true – it gives a lot of control, but still forces you into a basic template, and sometimes makes absolutely insane decisions. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::: What kind of template are you trying to make with it? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:53, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::: I was fiddling with the Exedra Character Appearances template and thought maybe I could merge the 3 DPL invocations into one, but that causes a ridiculous explosion of unrelated categories in the listing. I can't imagine why anyone would ever want that result. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::: And now I have no idea why it's inserting redlinks to a non-existent template into the portrait lists… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

== Update the Main Page ==

So the Exedra info on the main page is outdated for a month and I think we should update it constantly
But I don't think I have the permission so it has to be you the admins- [[User:RaviaVee|RaviaVee]] ([[User talk:RaviaVee|talk]]) 16:31, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:I've been working on keeping the news section updated. You ''should'' be able to edit it; it's just the [[News]] page and I don't see any protections on it. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 21:34, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

== New "notice" section ==

Hi all!

I wanted to let you know that I've repurposed the warning we were using when we were updating the Witch cards. It should appear as this in the source:
<blockquote><nowiki>

</nowiki></blockquote>
I encourage you to use it when we do a wiki overhaul of some kind, like we did with the Witch cards. It may not happen often, but it's still useful to have. All you need to do is remove the <nowiki>"</nowiki>" in order to get it to show up.

Have a good day! ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 22:39, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

==Tabbers==

Could we get [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TabberNeue the TabberNeue] extension? Our tabbers are kind of messy, I like their clean look [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 04:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
:What exactly is so messy about them? Other than the problem of the page jumping when you click one. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:43, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Fixed height, and I'm not a fan of their color scheme. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:35, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
: I've added this. Sorry that I didn't notice this until now (wiki mailer is broken again, sigh...) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AdvancedSearch May I ask for this extension as well? Note it has some dependencies... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:22, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

==Link captcha==
Would it be possible to add some sites to the captcha's blacklist? Specifically official sites, other wikis, and if even more specialization than domains would be possible, then maybe also official Twitter accounts and such. It's kinda annoying... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 18:12, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
:Or if it's easier, add some custom interwiki prefixes. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
:: It would be nice if the songs in [[Template:Magia_Exedra_Story_Transcript/Music]] were also exempt... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 11:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::: Actually, I have no idea how that wiki does that, but: https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Full-Stop_Office_(reception)#Trivia https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Scarecrow_Searching_for_Wisdom#Trivia it'd be nice if we had icons for other wikis like this wiki does. I have no idea if it's something that all wikis on wiki.gg have, or some more generalized extension, but still. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:29, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:::: This template https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:Character_icon, perhaps? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:Hm, what kind of CAPTCHA did you see? The Madoka question one? I thought I had exempted autoconfirmed users from all kinds of CAPTCHA, I wonder if some built-in extension added a new permission that I need to disable… -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Yeah, the Madoka question one. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 07:45, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

==Subtitled videos==
Apparently, the Exedra in-game videos come with subtitle files. Do we have anything that would happen to support that...? Videos in themselves are directly .m3u8, but the Exedra wiki's resource source stores them as .webm with separate .vtt files, separate ones for English and Japanese. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:27, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure HTML supports combining a video and subtitles in separate files, but I don't know if MediaWiki does… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:34, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

== Display Title ==

<code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> works only when trying to make the page have different capitalizations of letters in the title, but doesn't work when a different title is put in, which would be very helpful for long page titles like the Exedra Kioku pages, so instead of '''Mami Tomoe in Magia Exedra/Tiro Finale Liberation''' it would be just '''Tiro Finale Liberation'''. I don't fully understand how it works but I mainly understood everything from this page [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle], and its just about a rule that needs to be turned off so different titles work, instead of just throwing them into [[:Category:Pages with ignored display titles]]. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:12, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
: If this worked you could use a substring to show every word from the end until it finds a "/" in the name, automatizing the process. I still don't know why there is a setting to use <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> only to get a different format but same title (<code>$wgAllowDisplayTitle</code>) and then another to use custom titles (the one you mentioned, <code>$wgRestrictDisplayTitle</code>), but there is no use complaining about it. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 22:36, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
:: The whole idea of making the display title different seems suspect to begin with… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

::: Some article names are only "like this" because the concept is ambiguous, like [[Shaft (Witch)]] (since studio Shaft also exists). It's also for capitalizing a title differently, it's in [[lighthouse]] and [[fledge]], since the songs' official EN titles are lowercase. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 08:27, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::For capitalizing differently I suppose it could make sense, though personally I'd prefer to just ignore the "official" capitalization and just do "proper" capitalization everywhere. But I seem to be in the minority on that. Still, making the display title different in other cases still seems suspect. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:01, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

::::: What is the benefit of having Shaft (Witch) appear on top instead of just Shaft? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:51, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::: I also don't know what's "suspicious" about changing the display name. If someone uses it to troll changing the display name to bullshit, you can just undo the edits. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 19:30, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::: What is the benefit of having "Shaft" appear on top when the true title is "Shaft (Witch)"? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
==How to mark edits as bot?==
Yo, so, I've been using PyWikiBot to speed up some stuff, and I gotta ask - how do I mark my edits as botted? I got a token, and named it bot, but my edits under that still don't count. Unless I'd have to make a whole new account for that? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:20, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
:Looks like there's a permission requirement to be able to mark your edits as a bot edit? See [[mw:Manual:Bots|Manual:Bots]]. Also, I think your request is more likely to be seen on [[User talk:0x99]]. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:32, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

==Latin rune font==
Hi so I made a font for the Latin runes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dV38PtXzo8P8Cfb_Ko0g_kismHP4JQfC/view?usp=sharing
Can it be added so I can add it to [[Template:Runes]]?
:Done and thanks! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:51, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Oh lord. I accidentally used G for the P glyph. Here's an updated version that *hopefully* has no errors this time: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NH-wxA-7H10knttc77M-agqparkqIbUX/view?usp=sharing [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:38, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Actually, the old runes.tff font with Modern and Archaic variants has some errors, like the old assumption of Modern P and mirrored 8 ([[Talk:Witch_Runes#Modern_"p"]]), plus it doesn't have the new caret, minus, and cyrillic stuff. But the problem is, it has the unidentified rune in the place of ^: [[:File:Archaic_unidentified.svg]]. Is it fine to substitute the ^? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 10:05, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
::: I doubt there are many places that use the unidentified rune? So I'd say it's probably fine to move it to some other code point and substitute the actual ^ into its proper place. Then if there are places that intentionally used the unidentified rune, you can update them to use the new code point for it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:12, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: I've updated the font. Thanks again! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:07, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

=="AI" Policy==

Does this wiki have an Anti-AI policy yet? It seems, though I have little to substantiate it, that some of the more recent edits by newer users contain emdashes where I doubt a person would put them. Is that something we *want*? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 18:35, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
: If we don't we 100% need them, this is an open wiki where you can sign up and immiedietaly start changing things. I'm FULLY against AI, it has no place in a wiki where it can easily get stuff wrong, and it wont even try to make it obvious when it doesnt know stuff (it will just make stuff up). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:59, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Agreed. We don't want AI-written summaries on this wiki. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:21, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
: I agree that we should. Personally, I don't want any AI-edited content on the wiki. However, I think using it to help with template/CSS/module syntax is acceptable as long as you can fully understand what the code does (don't put a vibe-coded template/CSS/module on the wiki), but I'm willing to set the baseline to what the community wants. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:12, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

== Guys, we need Vector 2022 for unregistered users. ==

It's a skin or appearance. We don't need Vector 2010. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 00:52, 26 August 2026 (UTC)
:I think Citizen might be a better choice if we were to switch, as it natively supports dark mode and has a responsive layout by default. I'm not sure how many active editors are using Vector 2022, but there are a few of us who use Citizen, so it gets more layout fixes than other skins. Dark mode support is almost there, and the responsive layout is kind of working except for a few pages ([[Characters]] remain the most broken one... but at least it has basic dark theme support now). We have to make sure all major pages (all that are linked from the main page and sidebar) are not broken under the new skin before switching, though. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:26, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::I use Vector 2022, and even though I think its better than 2010 (dark mode), its not mobile friendly like Citizen. The problem is, a LOT of templates are just straight up broken on Citizen, like the Magireco unit templates, Kiokus, Memoria, and every characters page like you mentioned. I think its okay to switch to vector 2022 as the default right now, but not citizen. Maybe we should have categories like [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness|Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and [[:Category:Templates with no dark theme awareness|Templates with no dark theme awareness]] but for citizen/all skins. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:51, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
:::I have been going through some of [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness|Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and fixing them (although slowly), so thank you for flagging them. And yes, I think [[:Category:Pages broken under Citizen]], and [[:Category:Pages broken under Vector 2020]] would be nice to have. Let me see if I can make Vector 2022 the default without affecting current users (or I can just switch and people who prefer 2010 can switch to 2010 in their prefs…). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:04, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: EPF actually mentioned most of this on the [[#Wiki logo]] section (I only now found out), and about that section, would you be up for bringing a logo back? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:57, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: Sadly, I no longer have the original Pixelmator file from that era. If we were to update the logo, something like an outline of a Soul Gem might not be a bad idea. I need to brush up on my Illustrator skills, though. Please suggest if you have other ideas! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:23, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: I'm up for trying to draw it, but I would need specifics, like what color should it be, is there a set resolution I should use (or an aspect ratio). For other ideas I have, I think Homura's time shield would look good but its specific to one character so maybe not. The other idea I have, that I think is actually really good, is the [[:File:197 part e storyboard kiss anthony das ewig wiebliche.jpg|Law of Cycles emblem]] ([[:File:220 storyboard epilog akemi homura akuma homura dark orb das ewig wiebliche.jpg|This image]] shows a more one color design of it which would probably be better to recreate). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:07, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: While not for this Wiki, I know the "To The Stars" Wiki uses Madoka's Grief Seed as the emblem of their fictional magical girl union, and for their wiki logo. I'd imagine depending on the skin we set a default we'd want to do 1:1 as the aspect ratio (or at least somewhat close to it; no full wordmarks), have good contrast (so gradients are a no). We can probably do colors but would need to maintain them for both light and dark mode. Could also do something clever with a grief seed in dark mode, a soul gem in light mode? Or would that be too spoilery? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 23:56, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: That said, I did just realize that the runic "modern" font uses a soul gem for "O", and the current wiki name wouldn't allow for the use of it "properly". Hmmm.... I'll upload my current rough drafts [https://i.imgur.com/YU8Z1CP.png here]. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 23:56, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

:::::: I know I'm a little late, but I indeed like to reach an agreement on what the default look should be. I used Vector 2010 because both was the default here and because I'm an old head and I've been using it since forever and before the 2022 version was out. This fact made me do [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Homura_Akemi&diff=prev&oldid=261700 some] [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Sayaka_Miki&diff=prev&oldid=261699 changes] that made sense for me but either didn't for people using other skins or it meant me using some hacks to make it look good in 2010 but were completely unecessary in others.
:::::: As for Citizen, I didn't remember what it was until I switched and I realized it is that skin that I associate with Fandom and that I don't like at all. So personally I would prefer Vector 2022 over Citizen.

::::::: It's actually [https://starcitizen.tools/ Star Citizen's wiki] theme though I guess they may have been inspired by Fandom. But good point on -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:04, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#Default theme]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

== New logo (2026) ==

About the logo, I would like something that were really different from the actual logo. From the drafts posted by HomuraDidNothingWrong, I would say the one at the right with the runes at least. I don't know anything about design so I can only say if something is good or bad but without proposing something different though... [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:49, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
: The logo all depends on what the default skin is, as Vector 2010 has one big logo, while Vector 2022 displays a smaller one next to text (no idea what it would look like on citizen). So if we do move to Vector 2022, I feel like the text logos you (HomuraDidNothingWrong) made would not really work _ _", a simpler Icon would be better. But out of the ones you made my favorite is either the one with runes, or the one where a grief seed is on top of "Wiki". - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:13, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
:For the logo, probably the best way to do this is to have a logo (symbols) and a text mark ("Puella Magi Wiki") so we can compose it per-theme (the current Puella Magi Wiki text make a really bad logo for Citizen). SVG would be nice, or 500x or x500 in one dimension is OK too! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:04, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Maybe the Law of Cycles symbol but instead of the runes its "Puella Magi Wiki"? The runes take up little space so the symbol would probably have to be changed a bit, it could be based off the [[:File:197 part e storyboard kiss anthony das ewig wiebliche.jpg|image in the top left corner here]] and [[:File:Manga Army sign.png|its manga design]] instead. (Though I'm out of being the artist as my skills are way too flat for that much detail) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:26, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

I think that we shouldn't choose a logo based on "does it look good in theme X". It should look good in every theme, even Monobook (though I'm probably the only one using that). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:31, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
: I think the logo is one thing, and the theme is another. I went and tested Citizen and Vector 2022. The latter has a Dark mode setting but it isn't even respected, which is deeply frustrating as the Dark Mode fails the UX contrast requirements (and gives me a headache). What the logo becomes in my mind becomes a question of what the theme will be by default / for everyone. Vector Legacy is my preferred given the above items, but I also know that isn't everyone's choice. All the same, I can see about the LoC Emblem with the Puella Magi Wiki text on it when I get off work today. It'd be vector-based inherently, since I don't like fuzzy pixels. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]])
:: Okay, very laborious edit to get it vectorized. Turns out the wings were asymmetrical, the graphic behind the dharma wheel looks wrong. Here's two versions (light and dark) as an icon (for one theme) and a wordmark-ish one. [[:File:PuellaMagiWiki_LogoSheetDraft_v1_2026_09_04.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 00:15, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::I actually really like it, but apart from the missing details like the little crown on top I think the pink is too pink? In that [[:File:197 part e storyboard kiss anthony das ewig wiebliche.jpg|Rebellion production image]] its WAY more reddish/magenta (I dont care about the galaxy design on it and the background, at most there being too little stripes lol, just the color). Also I think the runes on the bottom designs are both too small, and should be just normal text instead of runes, the runes are cool but not really easy to understand. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:58, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::Same, I really like this! Probably need to tone the pink down a bit (I think the tone should be something around #d70fa1, or #d70f83), and I think the horizontal version works better without a border/background around workmark. But great job overall! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:10, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

Tried to incorporate both 0x99 and Theresa's feedback. I had initially colorpicked from Madoka's hair specifically b/c the Emblem from the Image Note *was* too saturated to use as pure color reference. Tried the request for more spikes on the dharma wheel but it looks incredibly noisy at a distance. Not the biggest fan but I'll concede that point if the consensus is people like it. [[:File:PuellaMagiWiki_Wordmark_Logo_Round2_2026_09_05.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 17:47, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
: It looks even better! I do kinda see your point with the spikes being too much, but I do still think they're better than on the previous draft, maybe its possible to find some balance between both where it doesn't look empty or too full. There are 2 more small details missing, the first is the spike on the bottom, the image note makes it go over the runes, which wouldn't look the best in the 2RA version, but I think it could easily go under the black box. The second is that the circle right before the outer circle is a half-circle, but that's kinda minor and it could be ignored. Also do we need 2 versions for light and dark themes? I know the image is pretty dark so it would clash with the background on dark mode, but I think if a white/some other background is added to the main circle, it wouldn't be that bad? Also that would allow the wings to be purely white instead of the current gray (but they would need some outline probably). This kinda looks like I'm complaining about more than last time ;-; but I promise the current version looks almost ready to use, I just wanna point out everything that can be changed so its as good as it can get. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:07, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Okay so I did try out the detailing on the tail and honestly? The way the bottom ray folds into the "M" is actually pretty good? It visually makes it split *and* that acts as graphical foreshadowing for Rebellion! Also tried to make the wings the same color and do a border of the background color? So it looks "invisible". It's... pretty okay in my opinion. I think my ideal as-is keeps the inverted soul gem "tail", drops the wing border and keeps them gray. Not sure what to do about the background though. [[:File:PMWiki_2RB_v2.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 18:36, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Its coming out really good, I do prefer the A (or light mode) versions, and the wings being outlined would look way different there when barely anything there is white, while on dark mode most of it is white so it kinda clashes. The "tail" looks good, again clashes a bit but I think thats just because the example you uploaded is in dark mode, also the tail in the og symbol ends with a dot like the others, though idk if I'd prefer it with or without (its kinda nice how it just ends without it, puts more focus on the text). I'm still more on the side of keeping only the A versions. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:30, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: If we have a dark mode *at all* in any theme we really should support both. That choice is far above my head though. The light mode variant looks pretty good though with or without the dot. My preference is without. The wings in gray look far closer to "normal" than a purer white does. [[:File:PMWiki_2RB_v2_White_Alts.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 19:42, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: Okay I went into some art program and tried stuff out. I tried to make the wings white and yeah it looked kinda bad... Fine Ill let it go T^T. I also don't like just how light the wings are on the dark version, maybe they should be darkened there? (though I tried and it didnt look that good either _ _" Im stumped). But ignoring dark mode... There are 3 more changes I can think of, two I have an image for. Those 2 are, the color, as I think its kinda too magenta? I know I said magenta but its kinda too purple, and the "tip" of the "tail" being behind the box, this keeps that rebellion symbolism of Madoka being teared apart, but also makes it look nicer imo. The third I didnt draw is there being less lines in the main circle, like we said before, but I think this isnt necessary. ''Ignoring dark mode'' I think that would make the logo ready for the wiki. (Okay my color looks too pink now... Idk this is annoying T-T, I dont wanna upload it again because it will probably not update fast enough so I think better colors than the ones I made on that image are {{Color|#d43472|#d43472}} for the darker and {{Color|#f858a3|#f858a3}} for the lighter) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:15, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: We could always be a little goofy and just make the "Dark Mode" the Dark Orb's Deal emblem with the same style wordmark instead, for Homura, and just make light mode "pink" accented, and dark mode "purple" accented. That said, I'm inclined to advocate for "RB_v2_light", and I swapped to your proposed colors. Will upload the SVG here. [[:File:PMWIki_LOC_Logo_Light_v1.svg]] Any thoughts [[User:0x99]]? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 20:51, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: That would be really cool but probably harder, with how much [[:File:Rebellion Image Note 218.jpg|curves her emblem has]], also no clear place to put the Puella Magi Wiki text unlike the LoC emblem. We should probably stick to the dark mode ver you made unless you do want to go through more labor lol. Also for when 0x99 gets here, could we also use this as the icon for the website? Like the icons that show up on the page tabs on browsers, right now we have just a basic P. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 23:55, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Oh the favicon? I don't even see one as-is (Firefox on Windows), but it would be nice to have a favicon, yeah. As to a dark mode version, I'll need to upload it still, but I'm holding off on another round of edits until 0x99 signs off on it before I make another. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 00:53, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::::: Is a favicon still planned? I think 0x99 mentioned it somewhere around here. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:39, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I plan to convert the SVG icon once we get the logo finalized (here [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#New_logo]]) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:46, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::: Im pretty sure its finalized, the dots were added and the colors were adjusted. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:01, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::::: OK, will find some time to update the logo and favicon next week (was prioritizing WNK articles). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:25, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

==== New Logo Revisions & Editions ====

So now that it's in place, it looks *mostly* okay. Subjectively it looks the best as-is in MonoBook, but that isn't what folks are using I suspect. What versions do you need specifically for Vector 2022 and Citizen to make it work best? I assume light and dark modes yes but emblem, wordmark, both? I think the "right" move would be a combined seal wordmark, but I have no idea what admin-side options exist for use and want it to be a consistent(-ish) user experience.

As a small aside, I'd like to understand why Vector (2022) doesn't respect my Light mode / Dark mode setting at all, and forces it to Dark Mode.... I suspect [https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/issues/1272 this] might be related as we do have both Citizen and Vector 2022 but I'm not 100% sure. With the assumption that we'll be using the LoC seal variant for all items, let me know what wordmark or logo variants you need 0x99.

(Making a new section for the sake of my sanity, the conversation got pretty deep last time.)

EDIT: Did two "very wide" versions intended for Vector 2022 for light and dark mode. Uploaded them here. [[:File:PMWiki_LOC_Wordmark_Dark_v1.svg]] [[:File:PMWiki_LOC_Wordmark_Light_v1.svg]][[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 05:58, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:Thanks for this. I think it generally looks good across Citizen, Vector 2010, and Vector 2022 (with both light and dark), but we might want to separate the ("Puella Magi Wiki") wordmark out of the logo (see: [[:mw:Manual:$wgLogos]] for Citizen and Vector. So the variant are:
:*logo (for Vector legacy) combined icon+wordmark (current)
:*icon (emblem only without wordmark)
:*wordmark (text only)
:I can generate favicon from the icon.
:As for theme, I plan to upgrade MediaWiki later this week (so the traffic dries down a bit) before the spoilers lift. Few extensions are stuck on an old version because of MediaWiki version lock . Hopefully Vector 2022 will be fixed when I upgrade. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:09, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:: Okay, will see about making these tomorrow so we have total coverage. Still, wild to see something I made in the corner. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 06:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Amazing job and thank you! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:15, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
: I don't see the bug you mention with Dark and Light mode in Vector 2022, but if it's fixed with an update then good for you.
:And going back to the topic... well shit, I saw the conversation above before and said "I'll respond tomorrow", and today I open the site with the icon... I was going to say that the color still seems too... light? Pink-ish? (specially in Dark Mode) And that maybe we could follow the "Homura ripping Madoka" theme and maybe add some purple/dark purple at the ends (or at least to the bottom center one). I read above that gradients could be a problem though. About the different emblems for light and dark theme, it sounds very good. I understand however that this seems basically making another from scratch. Also, I understand if I'm just saying things and if I'm saying it later after the icon was already changed and that maybe it is too much of a hassle to change it back. There should be no problem with generating a small .ico from it. Also also, for the next time, can we select one or several files and upload the propositions there as new versions? You could get lost switching from files to files and not knowing what version you are even replying to. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#New logo]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

====Background====
Since we're talking about the favicon and logo, I wanna suggest we use these for the background.

Light mode:
* [[:File:Kv petal sp.png]]

Dark mode:
* [[:File:Eff 113801 dot 01.png]] (not really sold on this but if we're keeping the godoka vs akuma theme)
* There's also these but I can't see an elegant way to use them unless they're dimmed out or something: [[:File:Eff 113801 repeat 01.png]], [[:File:Eff 113801 dml ozomashii 01.png]], [[:File:Eff tex darkBG 01 TH.png]].

Header and footer:
* If we're doing a header and footer these can be used on the background of every page. Maybe one of them can be flipped to be used as footer.
* [[:File:Kv lace sp.png]]
* [[:File:Kv lace pc.png]]

I also think having a background color other than white would be a good idea. Like a very soft pastel, kinda like how dark mode doesn't use completely black, but dark grey. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:26, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
: I can see the petals, but the dots for the dark mode seem... weird? I would have to see them in action. Same for the headers and footers, although maybe they look better. I'm neutral for the background color changes. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:: I'm not against keeping the petals for dark mode too, but I don't know if they're transparent or just really pale. If we can use a dimmed version, this pattern repeats well: [[:File:Eff 113801 repeat 01.png]]. I'm okay with either or, though I was inspired by how the Magia Exedra wiki has done their styling. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:26, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:Not sure what would be the best way to do this; Exedra Wiki seems to do this via [[MediaWiki:Common.css]], Stardew Wiki seems to do this as an extension (and lock the entire site to Vector). Maintenance wise, Common.css is probably the best way to go. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 09:48, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I was thinking that adding it in general classes in Common.css would be the way. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:51, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#Background]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

== Signature (timestamp) Lines in ref? ==

Was going back and adding citations, remembered the signature like of five tildes for timestamp. Went "oh it'd be good to add time contexts to citations if it's a website." But for some reason it won't work. Can it be looked into / is this an option we can get potentially? it would allow better tracking of sources online, esp. with tweets and other items. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 20:21, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
: I just tried this but it seems to work for me, e.g. <code><nowiki>{{Cite/Web|url=https://www.example.com/|timestamp=~~~~~}}</nowiki></code> -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:32, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Ah, user error. It seems to work when used interior to a template, but not when used in just the ref tag. Will just use the templates; thank you for looking into this! [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 04:39, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

== Staff Template ==

Would it be a good idea to have a template that would make sure links for real people are consistent? I've brought this up before but kinda got ignored... So im asking again. I'm mostly thinking about Voice Actors, as they repeat on a lot of pages, and what the links tied to their names are really isn't consistent. I've been trying to collect all these kind of links for japanese voice actors, and right now every single one has an aniDB and a japanese wikipedia page, some have an english wikipedia page and a twitter account too but not everyone. What the template would do is use a giant #switch tag that would give the proper links if given the proper name. The best way to do this would be to be forced to use their name in japanese writing, as its consistent unlike the english renderings. Also instead of choosing one link, we could have the template link to every one of these, something like: "[[Aoi Yūki]] ([https://anidb.net/creator/1625 <sup>ani</sup><sub style='margin-left:-1.3em;'>DB</sub>] [[wikipedia:Aoi Yūki|W<sup>EN</sup>]] [[wikipedia:ja:悠木碧|W<sup>JA</sup>]] [https://x.com/staff_aoi 🕊])" (pretend the dove is the twitter icon lol, though I guess we could just use X...). Again, idk if this is a good idea and if this wouldn't overcomplicate everything, so Im just asking.

:I think it make sense to have some kind of template, but I'm a bit incline for an Infobox (but no strong opinion) since it would allow us to add more links… or even a dedicated "External links" section being a template. Personally I also want to cleanup these articles so we only have some context + keeping only their involvement in the series, so we don't have to deal with information being outdated after a while, so having these links somewhere make a lot of sense (my [[Template:See Wiki]] was my poor attempt at this and I'm not entirely happy about it) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:20, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

::I think we're talking about two different things, I'm talking about the links on character pages, like how Madoka links to all of her voice actors, while you're talking about the staff ''pages''. But about the pages, yeah I think an infobox would actually be a good idea, it would include stuff like '''Job''' (Voice actor, illustrator, designer etc), it could also have lists of what they worked on, like characters they voiced, characters they designed stuff like that. The wikipedia link could also be included in that infobox. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:38, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

:::Ah you mean when used inline like in the Voiced By box in [[Madoka Kaname]]? In that case I think inline might be good. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:42, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

:::: Okay I'll work on it after finding all the links I can, are the 4 websites good to link to? or should there be more/less (or just one like in the original idea, though then we'd need a priority system). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:19, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

::::: I think these 4 are a good start. Let me know if you need help with the template. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:29, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

::::::Should the people that have pages on this wiki not have the extra links? Those would be on that page anyway. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:25, 26 September 2026 (UTC)

::::::Wanted to start adding the english voice actors, but they can only have 2 out of the 4 links right now. Should https://www.animenewsnetwork.com and https://www.imdb.com be added as links too? That would mean a lot of the japanese voice actors will have those too, and that would give them a ''lot'' of links ._. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:24, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

::::::Starting to wonder if it's possible to use Cargo for this. Let me take a look at it. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:55, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

:::::::OK, I have an initial version up and running at [[Template:Staff/Exp]]. There are few moving parts here:
:::::::*[[Template:Staff/Person]] holds the staff database, which only contains the canonical display name and a page name/link.
:::::::*[[Template:Staff/Name]] holds the name variant of the staff, so we can register 悠木碧, Yuuki Aoi, Aoi Yuuki, Aoi Yuki as the same person (linking to the Staff/Person database via <code>Staff_ID</code>).
:::::::*[[Template:Staff/Link]] holds the link data.
:::::::*[[Template:Staff/Link/Type]] holds the display order for link (so EN wiki comes first, JA wiki comes second, etc.).
:::::::*[[Template:Staff/Render]] is the name renderer.
:::::::*[[Template:Staff/Render/Link]] is the link renderer.
:::::::ID is used to link Person/Name/Link together. When you add a new link type, you need to update the renderer and priority in [[Template:Staff/Render/Link]] (and possibly documentation in [[Template:Staff/Link]], though I think I should move it to [[Template:Staff/Render/Link]] so we only have one place to edit). This should allow us to have more link types for various kind of person. Let me know what you think of this. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:48, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

:::::::: I have like no idea how any of this works T_T I'm gonna try getting used to it but right now I feel unable to even tell if this is good or not. So to add a person's info I need to add it at [[Template:Staff/Exp]], and to add new link types I add them at [[Template:Staff/Render/Link]]? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:02, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

::::::::: Yes! The idea is that [[Template:Staff/Person]], [[Template:Staff/Name]], [[Template:Staff/Link]] declare an information and a relation, and [[Template:Staff/Render]] and [[Template:Staff/Render/Link]] renders them. I think easier way to think of this is that it's like DPL4 but doesn't require category/page to work (we can even use the same information to build external links for a person, for example). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:05, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

:::::::::: Last question, will Staff/Exp just be moved to Staff when all the info from there will be moved? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:11, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::: Yes, if you don't find this approach too painful. Though, I'd probably copy Exp content into Staff verbatim instead of moving. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:17, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

: There's weird spacing that I dont understand, you can see it on [[Wasu]]'s page in the ''voiced by'' cell. I thought maybe it was because of it using the original staff template and the new one at the same time (I made the old one use the new one for moved entries), but no even when using the /Exp one gives it that weird spacing. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:30, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Should be "fixed" now that I've dropped delimiter and switched to CSS; MediaWiki was trying to strip space from cargo render, and using \n means it'll randomly do line breaks in the middle of sentence. Might have to switch to use Cargo via Lua module to I can finally pass <code>delimiter = " "</code> as a proper fix, but that's for another day... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 19:03, 27 September 2026 (UTC)

==Count of posters==
We kinda have too many posters on the main page I fear. Rising + Rising Manga + Sorana Magica + Exedra + MagiReco manga... 5 entries. 2-3 should be optimal, but which ones should get the axe? I'm voting on Exedra (released 1.5 years ago) and against Rising (10+ years of hype) and Sorana (fresh announcement), dunno how to feel about Rising Manga and Reco Manga. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 16:22, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
: I don't really see the issue with them, at most the full Sorana Magica title is kinda annoying, but other than that I think it looks nice? Tbf I dont really know what was the purpose of that section before adding all of those posters lol, but because of how long Exedra stayed there I just assumed its a section for currently active media. Maybe reordering would make it look better, so like the WR manga would go sit with the Magireco manga, but I dont think that would do much. If we ''have to'' delete some I guess I'd choose the WR manga, but Im too troubled about the others. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:46, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Or I think it may be time for a front page redesign again. The last time this was redesigned, we were on a quieter period of the franchise (where Magia Record was the only thing that happened). And now there's 5 things happen at the same time ;_; -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 17:20, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Tbh, I feel like it's less that it was a quieter period and more like... the mainpage editing philosophy? Kinda changed. The news section was totally revitalized in 2021, there's a 6 year gap between that and earlier news... And there were Kirara Magica releases, Magia Days, MagiReco events (both ingame and irl), Magireco manga releases, Mobcast game, collabs going on. Hell, the 10th anni book never even got onto the newspage. Now it's any release of a unit in Exedra that gets its own news entry. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:32, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: Yeah, I agree. We had a mention about [[Concept Movie]] being unveiled in Madogatari in the news box until 2021... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:16, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: This is about the redesign, it definitely needs to include stuff like [[Characters]], [[Manga]] and other stuff like that on the front instead of Recent Changes, News and Wishlist. Those are handy for editors but are useless for readers, they should be put somewhere else (Recent Changes is already on the sidebar and News is below on the same page). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:13, 28 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: I agree, I'm thinking of moving the entire titles into some sort of dropdown menu at the top. Dunno how painful it is to do this. Will experiment on the layout/etc. during the weekend and will ask for feedback here. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:27, 28 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: The Recent Discussion link isn't on the sidebar, and I suspect it may not be able to go on the sidebar because of how it works. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:15, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Timeline/Null

2026-09-28T13:40:21Z

Celtic Minstrel: /* Sorana Magica */

What's the point of this article? NMS does have a timeloop and timelines, but all of them are like, mentioned in passing less than a sentence long. It'll be just a plain summary of the story. [[User:EPFBot|EPFBot]] ([[User talk:EPFBot|talk]]) 11:15, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

== Sorana Magica ==

Sorana Magica is coming out soon, and its whole premise is that it takes place in the future, specifically year 2225. This puts it between the far future of NullMG but still after Madoka Magica, meaning it falls into the same "Happens in either every loop or outside of them" problem as Null Magical Girl (and its written by the same person). Will it go here? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:34, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
: I'd say we put it in Exedra/Other, or even its own thing unless we have a confirmation that the two are connected (I'm not counting the facts that they're written by the same person and they're in the future as a connection just yet) ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 07:53, 28 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Agreed, that's definitely not enough to posit a direct connection. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:40, 28 September 2026 (UTC)

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requires a redesign, I don't know how to do it..
::Like, a new template which includes the japanese info, the english intepretation, and a thumbnail? --[[User:Sayaka|Sayaka]] 05:54, 20 January 2011 (CST)
:::exactly [[User:Commie|Commie]] 05:56, 20 January 2011 (CST)

If anyone is a coding wizard, please redesign the template at [[Template:Card_2]] so that it looks nicer!
:--[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 03:12, 28 January 2011 (CST)

== japanese translations only? ==

I noticed that the last sentence of "Soul gem" is not translated from the glossary on the webpage. Should we separate such things out, or is it fine to mix? [[User:Oatmeal|Oatmeal]] 10:46, 16 February 2011 (CST)
:I noticed it too, but I left the sentence since it explains a former unknown side of soul gems. Perhaps we could divide the official definition and further notes, e.g.
:''Official Text''<br />Notes
:--[[User:Anon-kun|Anon-kun]] 11:15, 16 February 2011 (CST)
::I think we better put non-official info outside the template (see below), so we can add miscellaneous informations this way too, e.g. barrier's appearance, familiar's role when they're not fighting (in Inukare interview), grief seed appearance and such. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:00, 16 February 2011 (CST)

=== Purposed page style ===
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<h3>Barrier</h3>
{{Glossary
|term = {{Nihongo|Barrier|結界|Kekkai}}
|description = An otherworld used by [[Witch]]es to conceal themselves. Should a normal human wander in by accident, it is impossible for them to escape.
|image = File:Witch ep2 entering.jpg
|image_desc = Madoka and friends entering [[Gertrud|Gertrud's]] barrier.
}}
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<h3>Familiar</h3>
{{Glossary
|term = {{Nihongo|Familiar|使い魔|Tsukaima}}
|description = Lesser monsters divided out of the essence of a [[Witch]]. Though normally assigned the task of maintaining and defending their parent-witch's [[barrier]], it seems that they can eventually gain independence and stray to form their own barriers. Further growing, they take on the form of their parent.
|image = File:Ulla_screen.png
|image_desc = [[Ulla]], [[Suleika]]'s familiar in his own [[barrier]].
}}
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==Familiar vs Minion==
What's the wiki-wide guideline on usage of familiar vs minion? A quick search shows that we use the two words interchangeably. Should we just stick with familiar, since it's in the glossary? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 07:31, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
:Up till now I don't think there has been any guideline. Since the "official" term is familiar (使い魔) and not minion (手下), it would be relevant to stick with "familiar". The problem if we want to revert the existing pages is to skim through all the pages and change it (plus sometimes, "minion" is used to avoid repetition so we can't really use an automated solution either) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:34, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

== Puella Magi vs. Magical Girl ==

Let me make my reasoning a bit more clear: The important part of Kyubey's words in episode 8 is "In this country," In other words, the characters are speaking normally: plain, everyday Japanese, which, by extension, would be translated into plain, everyday English subtitles. If we were really supposed to be hearing the more exotic "puella magi" whenever we heard the words "mahō shōjo":
*Kyubey wouldn't have emphasized this in the first place, and it would have been kept vague.
*We would have heard "puella magi" in Engrish (Ratin?), as with Soul Gem and Grief Seed, anyway.
I always preferred magical girl, myself, but I'd admit it was a bit of a toss-up—until now. —[[User:MomoiroKakarichou|MomoiroKakarichou]] 01:04, 25 February 2011 (UCT)
:Eh. It's not like "magical girl" isn't already in the entry. What it's listed under is largely a matter of aesthetics. --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 01:07, 25 February 2011 (UCT)
::Addendum: There is an argument to be made for the simultaneous correctness of multiple 'possible' interpretations. --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 04:15, 25 February 2011 (UCT)
:::The title's one thing (Japanese to Latin by the creator's choice), but then there's the actual term used in the dialogue (Japanese to English). I don't think the characters themselves would could be saying either/both at this point.
:::—[[User:MomoiroKakarichou|MomoiroKakarichou]] 03:37, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Another theory - "Puella Magi" represents the term as coined originally, since Kyubey obviously isn't Japanese :D It may be the term in Kyubey's original language. Your reasoning does make sense in a way, but firstly, "Puella Magi" is in the "official" romanized title, and secondly - well, it's all over there in the wiki. Editing every entry to change "Puella Magi" into "magical girl" would be too much of a burden :D --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 02:24, 25 February 2011 (UCT)
:If puella magi was the original term, I think it would only strengthen my case here, since both terms would exist side-by-side in-universe (expanding on the Ratin bullet point above).
:I went into the difference with the title above. The title was what actually what kept it either/or for me, but I think this line gets rid of that ambiguity rather handily. I agree that changing it everywhere would be a royal pain, but, well, it wouldn't have to happen overnight or anything. Another thing for the [[Wishlist|"To Do" pile]], I guess.
:—[[User:MomoiroKakarichou|MomoiroKakarichou]] 03:37, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
::Let me put it more directly:
::*The Mahou Shoujo -> Majo Pun does not work in English, given that the term "Magical Girl" does not have anything to do with the term "Witch."
::*Per the above, "Mahou Shoujo" being correct in Japanese does not make "Magical Girl" a proper parallel term / equivalent in English; it doesn't have the same lingual characteristics that make the pun succeed in Japanese. If the term for "Witch" in English were not "Witch," but something like "Magical Woman," I would not be saying this.
::*The only official translation for "Mahou Shoujo" in Roman alphabetization is "Puella Magi." Regardless of whether or not this is proper Latin, it's official.
::*The term "Mahou Shoujo" is intended for consumption by a Japanese audience. No actual officially approved translation of the term '''as it appears in dialogue''' presently exists, and no translation fans provide can be officially correct.
::I really don't understand why you're being so insistent on an unofficial translation like "Magical Girl" being "more" correct than something supplied by the creators. If you must, add this thing as a speculah. It's bad form to make out a pet theory as something resembling an official translation or canon by editing the title of the Glossary term. Further, how exactly does this one line by Kyuubey get rid of the ambiguity? Regardless of how you cut it, we don't know what precisely the creators' intended translation is -- only what they intended for the Japanese. --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 04:48, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
when you take the first and the last kanji of mahou shoujo you get majo. it´s better to leave it at this
魔(法少)女

Not that argument again... How many times has it been discussed in the threads up till now? Nobody uses Puella Magi in the actual show, the only occurrences being the title (which is the title of the franchise, just like the "(...) Lyrical" in Nanoha's titles) and gg being gg. Anyway, if people insist in thinking gg's right, then why can't we admit that both translations are possible? Why don't we just put "Puella Magi (Magical Girl)" in the glossary entry or something? --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 09:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:gg's subs is not only occurence save the title. Shini-tan's scanlation of the manga also uses "Puella Magi" where "mahou shoujo" originally was. But you're right in the point that this discussion is quite meaningless. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 12:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
::Note that I'm not saying that "Puella Magi" is a more or less correct translation for "Mahou Shoujo" than "Magical Girl" as it appears in dialogue. I'm saying that in the absence of an official translation for the term in dialogue, nobody should be discarding "Puella Magi" as being '''''less correct''''' than "Magical Girl" -- given that it's actually supplied by the creators. Further, the current entry title is {{Nihongo|"Puella Magi"|魔法少女|Mahō shōjo|lit. Magical Girl}}, with the unqualified "Puella Magi" simply being a header used for purposes of neatness and organization in wikicode and layout. Per the above, argument that "Magical Girl" is more correct on the basis of a pun that only works in Japanese doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. Argument for the exclusion of one of the terms from the glossary entry or the superiority of one term over the other doesn't make sense either. This is not a defense of gg's translation. --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 18:48, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

the soul of the mahou shoujo becomes the witch while the body is left empty (makes sense since the soul is seperated from the body). the fact that the soul gem turns black during the transformation may be because the soul leaves gem

Bringing back this discussion because I would like to clear up a common misconception, and you can base your opinions on that:
"Puella Magi" is not intended to be magical girl; however, "Puella Magi Madoka Magica" does indeed mean "Magical Girl Madoka of the [male] Mage" ("magica" being the correct adjective for "magical"). Being a Latin student, I believe the entire title was supposed to be taken together, "magica" connected to "puella magi", so I really don't think "puella magi" should be cut off from the rest of the title like that. Do what you will with the thought, since I know how much hell it is to change an entire wiki to one term or the other, and at this point I believe it's too late to make any changes. But seeing as we've never seen any "Puella Magi" term without the "Magica" whenever it's used officially, I think one should reconsider the merits of that title. (Unless you want to call it "Puella Magi ________ Magica" every time, and that's just ridiculous.) [[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 18:27, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:That's an interesting twist, but it feels contradictory to the official Japanese title, 『魔法少女まどか☆マギカ』 (Mahou Shoujo Madoka☆Magika) - "Madoka Magica" stays there in both version, and 『魔法少女』 (''mahou shoujo'' - magical girl) gets directly substituted by "Puella Magi". That's why "Puella Magi" is used interchangeably with "magical girl", even though the meaning is not the same.<br />As you're a Latin student, I'd like to ask one thing - how would you pluralize "Puella Magi"? If my grammar googling skills are correct, the correct Latin plural would be "Puellae Magorum", but that somehow feels ridiculous. I read many other versions - "Puella Magi", "Puella Magis", "Puellae Magis" and "Puella Magi", ie. using the singular form as plural. What do you think? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:: Coincidentally, should we try to stick with one form over the other in the episode summaries and character pages -- especially since we aren't sure of the plural form for "puella magi" right now? It's just a matter of searching and replacing, nothing difficult. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 18:57, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
::: Well, there are a lot of pages to edit. The plural form of "puella magi" should be "Puellae Magi", however (replace the nominative only). "magorum" is only viable if there is more than one mage ("Girls of the Mages" versus "Girls of the Mage"). [[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 19:11, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:::: It's been a while, but IIRC we reached to the conclusion that both terms are correct, and we can use both interchangeably. However, while I was a supporter of "Puella Magi", given the pluralizing controversy, I now use "magical girls" everywhere I need to use plural...<br />"Puellae Magi" makes sense, thanks. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 19:20, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Isn't an alternative translation for Puella Magi "Slave of the deceiver"? Given the nature of the show, I think that the title is supposed to be a hint towards the dual nature of the characters, both being the protectors of the world whilst also being tricked into one day becoming the very thing they're fighting. ([[Special:Contributions/31.205.88.25|31.205.88.25]] 01:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC))
:...just where did you hear that? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:16, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
::It's not a common use, but according to wiktionary, puella can mean "slave." Source: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/puella [[Special:Contributions/2601:5:A100:976:9825:A201:9665:B3A5|2601:5:A100:976:9825:A201:9665:B3A5]] 08:39, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

== Separating manga from anime references ==

As with the guest example of adding Kazumi reference of Jubey to the glossary, this is what I meant when I said manga references are going to mix in with anime and confuse people who aren't familiar with both. Either we need separate sections or pages for both or people need to keep an eye out and make sure things that are added are clear as to the source. -[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
:As per glossary, I believe it's good to be generic and as spoiler-free as possible. Aside from being manga-centric, the mention of Jubey is a spoiler for Kazumi. Mention of the word "Incubator" would be generic, but even more spoilerish (spoiling as far as ep8). I believe I managed to word it in both generic and spoiler-free way in the last edit, but you may disagree. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 18:32, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

:Re: KFYatek's comment: it's kind of hard how to word it; the existence of Jubey makes it clear that there are more Incubators, but we shouldn't use the word "Incubator" or mention Jubey to not spoil...
:The problem is not all fans are going to consider what happen in the spin-off manga Kazumi to be canon to the anime. For all we know, Kyubey may be the only incubator in existence in Madoka the anime so even implying there are more out there is speculative as far as the anime is concerned. So that's why it's just best to keep things separate and not revise the anime glossary based on what we learn from the manga. Another example to give you an idea is Oriko's Kyubey that flies. He doesn't in the anime and maybe he can't there and it's just Oriko's creativity on writing that in. I wouldn't want to see that either in the glossary page that currently is dedicated to only the anime, as well as the locations and episodes page. It should all stay canon to the anime in my opinion, and manga sections clearly separated out. Like the character page, where the categories of manga-only characters are in their own sections. -[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:34, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

== Seriously, why doesn't "Witch" have its own article? ==

"[[Uwasa]]" and "Kimochi" do. [[User:N. Harmonik|N. Harmonik]] ([[User talk:N. Harmonik|talk]]) 18:19, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
::Don't know to be honest, but I've been working on collecting basic information for a page to be made (been a bit busy lately though.) -[[User:The Witch's House|The Witch's House]] ([[User talk:The Witch's House|talk]]) 19:42, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

== So um, about the spoiler policy... ==

This is a glossary of terms, and the original anime is an ontological mystery. Don't you think anyone visiting this page should expect to receive spoilers for the original anime?

Like, I'm all for spoiler-tagging, for instance, Nemu's involvement in the creation of the Uwasa. That's sort of a big deal that you're supposed to find out as you're reading MagiReco for the first time. But stuff like "Magical girls have their souls moved outside their body as part of the contracting process" and "Magical girls become witches under sufficient emotional duress" are sort of "expected common knowledge" for most of the series, and trying to talk around it just creates awkward blocks of spoilertext for little additional benefit. Hell, a bullet point for "witch form" is included on every single magical girl's page, unspoilered.

Furthermore, knowing what the Law of Cycles is and how it functions is relatively important to MagiReco specifically, so it should probably have an entry here, and said entry should probably not be one giant paragraph of spoilertext, right?

[[User:SuzuneMU|SuzuneMU]] ([[User talk:SuzuneMU|talk]]) 09:51, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

== Separated soul gems? ==

<blockquote>It is unknown what would happen if a Soul Gem separated from its owner's body becomes black in Kamihama City, but it can be guessed that it would either shatter, become a Grief Seed, or hatch into a Witch.</blockquote>

I don't think this is accurate. I'm not aware of any evidence of what would happen if a soul gem separated from the owner's body becomes black ''outside'' of Kamihama, or for that matter any evidence that it's even ''possible'' for a separated soul gem to accumulate impurities. Is there some evidence I've missed? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

: There's two cases: In Sayaka's Route for the game, her body decays after being not in contact with the gem, but the gem still being within 100 meters. After she sees what she looks like, Oktavia hatches. Since in Kamihama, the curse is pasted on part of the body, it's unknown what would happen if it has several meters of distance between the user and the soul gem. The second case is if the soul gem is further than 100 meters: There was an interview that said that the gem would eventually get impure and hatch a witch. In Kazumi, it was noted that Niko's magic kept the Soul gems isolated and prevented them from becoming polluted. I'll try to see if I can find the interview soon. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

::Well, I wouldn't consider Portable or random interviews to be canon content, but the detail about the effect of Niko's magic is at least soft evidence that an isolated soul gem is normally expected to eventually turn black. (It doesn't rule out the possibility that it ''wouldn't'' happen and Niko just assumed it would and made unnecessary countermeasures. That's why it's only soft evidence.) But there's also soft evidence that isolated soul gems ''won't'' accumulate impurities, in the form of the Souju twins and their collection. (Of course, maybe they also used some sort of magic to protect those gems.) At least your argument for why the body might be required for the APS to function does make logical sense, though it's clearly speculative. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

==Bloat==

I think this glossary is starting to get a bit out of hand. It should be dedicated to ''short'' explanations of ''common'' topics. That means two things:

# There should be no subheadings. The sections on [[Magical Girl]], [[Witch]], and [[Timeline]]s in particular should probably be split to separate articles, since they have a ''lot'' of subheadings. (They could maybe remain on this page as well with a brief explanation and a link to the dedicated article, not sure if that's needed though.) I'm not sure what to do with the sections that only have one or two subheadings.
# Some of the headings don't strike me as "common" topics, instead referring to a singular entity. The following sections seem like they don't belong on this page at all:
#*'''The Devil''' – This is just Homura post-rebellion, so all this info can be moved to the dedicated devil page.
#*'''Hyades''' – There is a dedicated page about these now, so this info can be moved there (if indeed there is anything new).
#*'''Irregularity''' – not 100% sure, but the fact that it refers exclusively to Tart suggests to me that it doesn't really belong in the glossary.
#*'''Philosopher's Stone''' – Again, I'm a bit unsure on this one, as there's not much to say about it, but it does refer to a singular entity so it seems like a bad fit for a glossary. I'd be okay with it staying here though, as long as it stays short.
#*'''Automatic Purification System''' – Once again, there is only one of these. It should probably go on a different page. The Kimochi subheading could maybe stay, but I'm not sure if that makes sense.
#*'''Lighthouse Theatre''' – I don't know what this is, but it's looking like it refers to a single entity, so it should probably have its own page, especially since it has several subheadings as well.

~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

: Note that many of the subheadings seem okay as entries on this page. They just shouldn't be subheadings, in my opinion. '''Nightmare''' for example could be promoted to a top-level heading. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll justify a few of these and get started on the changes.
: The Devil: I agree that this can be removed. Maybe this can be changed after the new movie if she's established as a law of the universe like the law of cycles was.
: Hyades: I agree that this can be removed unless there's more artificial humans in the future. Witch Hybrids should be moved to under Witches.
: Irregulars: They're both Tart and things like Homura. Basically anything that Kyubey can't quite explain. I believe that this one should stick around as Kyubey's used the term at least three times for different reasons.
: Philosopher's Stone: Yeah this is a weird one. It seems to be like a thing that is a law of the universe, like a Philosopher's Stone can be created through some process we don't know, but it was already there when I got here and I think it's relatively inoffensive.
: APS: I think the APS deserves its own page, especially with the way it works. The Kimochi subheaing should stay in my opinion.
: Lighthouse: It seems to be a law of the universe according to the teasers, but I'll get to removing it until we get more information to confirm or deny that.
: Nightmares: Nightmares and things like Made in 168 are like familiars in my opinion. They both exist to just purify those in the mindscape labyrinth of Homura and Iroha. If they existed only in Rebellion for Homura, then I'd agree, but since it's been established that girls who are about to become witches can make them (like Homura and Iroha in the anime), I think it's safe to put them as subheadings for Witches.

[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

:: Regarding "irregulars": Your explanation makes sense. The current entry seems like it might be a bit much, but it's still somewhat short so I guess it can stay. (Also, shouldn't Madoka also count as an irregular? Maybe Kyuubey didn't actually use the term for her, but right now she seems to fit the definition.)
:: Regarding the "lighthouse": Anything about that is essentially speculation at this point, but I suspect once Exedra is released it would likely merit its own page.
:: Regarding "nightmares": I did mention that we shouldn't have subheadings in the glossary, right? I don't see an issue with making it a main heading. Making it just a heading on a "Witch" page (and removing it from here entirely) would also be fine though. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The [[Lighthouse Theatre]] does have its own page currently. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 18:48, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

I've cleared out nearly everything that I think doesn't belong. I'll probably be editing some of the sections later to shorten them a bit too, and I intend to add most of the deleted information to other articles. In case someone else wants to help with that, you can see the last version of the page before I deleted everything <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Glossary|oldid=167222}} here]</span>, and you can view the diff that even shows the deleted comments <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Glossary|type=revision&diff=168411&oldid=167222}} here]</span>. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

: I also ain't sure if we should be keeping entries for all those different series in one place. Sure, all of the PMMM installments take from the 2011 anime, but stuff like evil nuts has little to no chance of being relevant in, say, Magia Record/Exedra Main Story or Walpurgistnacht:Rising, it's more of a self-contained concept limited in scope to Kazumi Magica. Well, with Exedra supposedly having more focus on the other series it might be relevant there, but I doubt it'd cross over into their SuzuMagi section, for instance. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

:: I think it would be totally reasonable to delete this page entirely and use a separate page for each of the sections covered here. Many of the sections ''already'' have their own page. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:28, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

::: I support this [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 07:46, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

==Should there be a page specifically for the timelines?==
I mean a page where we can gather the information for all the timelines, not just the ones for the original anime. I'd like to also put the explanations for Magia Record, Scene 0, Different Story, the PSP Game, Mobage, Wraith Arc and especially from INU Curry's twitter regarding Anireco's timeline and where it fits in, as well as other things such as paradoxes and the effects of Time Manipulation that we learned from the Arc 2 finale. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
: Sounds good to me [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 22:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
: I don't mind having a new page, but it sounds like a terrible idea to have a page called [[Timeline]] and a different page called [[Timelines]]. One of them should probably be renamed, but I'm not sure which one. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 21:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

==If factor==
Is it a reoccuring thing, or a mcguffin from a single Tart event (that's never mentioned again)? Same with the Ark of Feelings [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:38, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
: I think they should be put in a page for the Philosopher's Stone. Both of them. But idk if the Philosopher's Stone on itself should be here either. It's implied to be important but strictly speaking it only appears in one event. Two if we count Nicholas using his powers. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:40, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Onto its own page it goes, then. It's not reoccurring, I see no reason for it to be on the glossary. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:45, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
::: I think the Philosopher's Stone should at least be in the In-universe topics category. As it seems a bit silly to have Hyades and not this. A while back I made a draft for a page for the Philosopher's Stone. I'll see if I can find it and update the page afterwards. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:08, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
:::: Considering that the Philospher's Stone is something normally associated with Nicholas in the first place, it definitely makes sense to cover it here, given that it appeared in an event. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:13, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

==Reorganizing==
How would we feel about reorganizing/reshuffling the parts of this article? Especially since some of the individual entries relate to something else, like Grief Seeds and Witches.

I suggest this:
# Incubator
# Irregularity
# Karmic Potential
# Law of Cycles
# Magia Record
## Doppel
## Kimochi
# Magic
# Magical Girl
## Soul Gem
# Nightmare
# Philosopher's Stone
# Spirit
# The Universe
# Uwasa
# Witch
## Familiar
## Grief Seed
## Labyrinth
## Witch's Kiss
# Wraith
## Grief Cube

If anyone has any suggestions, like placing Karmic Potential under Magic, or Irregulars under Magical Girl, please let me know. I didn't want to overdo it right away, though certainly I would like to do those examples I mentioned as well.

Also I wanna add more etymological things to the glossary, such as the use of records (book vs music), as well as the '"I" vs. Me' and Us thing seen in Wraith Arc and the Magia Record anime. But I will delve into that after the reorganization gets the green light

~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 14:22, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

:Personally, I think it might be best to delete the page entirely – pretty much every entry on the page could just be its own page, even if some cases it's quite a short page. And some of them already have their own page, so why are they still here on the glossary? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:27, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

:Yeah I think it would look better. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:47, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

:: Okay, now for the next thing I've noticed, which I haven't had a way to talk about, but maybe in glossary it would be worth something.

1. The "Record" thing: The term has been used many times. But I specifically mean differentiating between musical records being active timelines that Ultimate Madoka can view and interact with, while worlds which have ended and have been archived, like at the end of the magia record anime, are static book records. I think this etymology about records, as well as how girls collected by the loc or Iroha also become book records. Idk if the Record entry would be worth including in glossary.

2. I vs Me: This terminology is used in Wraith Arc and the Magia Record Anime. In Magia Record episode 15 when Mitama talks about Doppels, one of the slides says "The me who is not 'I'." Additionally, with the white-dressed Homura in Wraith Arc being labeled as "I" in Magia Exedra, it makes me think the Me is the darkness/Doppel in the soul, while the "I" is the magic. This also ties in to Ui's monologue in the finale which ties with monadism. There she tells Iroha that there's smaller versions of us between every cell, sometimes as magical girls and sometimes as doppels. Basically, I've taken this to mean that the Self, or "Us" is made up of the magic, or the real self, which is the white dressed Homura labeled as "I" in exedra. Then the episode 15 slide that describes the Doppel as "The me who is not 'I'" as the darkness in the soul, it points to the me being the dark part of the self. So to bring it all together as an equation: "Us" = "I" + me. I thought it was worth mentioning somewhere.

~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 15:14, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

::: You're right about the Record stuff, but we already have [[Magia Record]] as a page that separates the concepts of "Records". I really like your "Me who is not I" analysis, but the glossary is not really a place for that? I feel like if anywhere it belongs on Magic, maybe in a speculation section, but its not really a theory, so I dont think it needs to be there tbh. And lastly... yeah I agree with Celtic, I don't really like this page. Obviously deleting it now is not a good idea, as we don't have a separate page for [[Magical Girl]], and other stuff rely on this page too. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:48, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

== Deleting the glossary ==

I've created a few new pages, so everything in the glossary now has either a dedicated page or a section in the parent page (for example, grief cubes are covered on the wraith page). Thus, I think there's no more reason for this to exist, but… I haven't checked in detail if there are things mentioned here that aren't mentioned on the dedicated page for the same topic. Could I ask some other people to look it over as well? (Also, as a side note, I'd like to do the same with the NMG glossary linked from the bottom, but I haven't gotten to it yet.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:11, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:[[Magical Girl]] still doesn't have a dedicated page, also I don't think Soul Gems, Familiar and Labyrinth deserve their own pages, they should just be sections of Magical Girl and Witch (maybe Irregularity as a section of Magical Girl too, but idk). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:52, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:: I think it's actually reasonable for ''all'' the entries on this page to have their own dedicated page. The main point of my comment, though, is that I want to make sure all the information on the page also exists somewhere else before I delete it. I'll create a page for magical girls. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:16, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
::: I couldn't find anything myself. Also stuff like Grief Seeds don't have their own pages (ignoring the lists page), so I don't see why Soul Gems and Familiars should. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:58, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
:::: I'm saying I think it would be reasonable if the Grief Seed info were split from the Witch page into its own page, though I don't plan to do it myself. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:28, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
::: Okay I also moved the images from the glossary to their pages. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:04, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
::: I'd say we hold off on deleting this page until the replacement articles are finished. I'll add to a to-do list. I think the pages for Magical Girl and Familiar are necessary. Especially since there isn't a page for Magical Girls and Familiars aren't Witch-exclusive features. Same for Labyrinths. Additionally, maybe the Spirit article can be moved to somekind of Afterlife page or something, and also use it to clarify that the Law of Cycles and such are salvation for the girls, as well as how the only afterlife mentioned is when Asahi evokes the underworld, and the metaphorical "Tomorrow" mentioned during Last Bird's Hope. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 17:07, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
:::: Well yes, that's the reason I opened this discussion instead of just deleting it immediately. I don't think "afterlife" is really a thing that's well-defined in the series though, at least pre-rewrite. (Post-rewrite, the Law of Cycles becomes an afterlife for magical girls only, as seen by the return of Sayaka and Nagisa.) I think it's an open question whether Asahi's spirits are actually spirits at all (as the page mentions), so I wouldn't take her mention of an underworld as literal. Note, there's also a reference to an underworld in Liz's ultimate attack, but I wouldn't take that as literal either. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:28, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
:::: Any update on this? Did you add a TODO list somewhere? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:02, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
::::: Actually, I have an idea. Can we have a wiki-wide to-do list and also in it to include things like "files wanted" so we also know what photos to look out for too. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 10:42, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::: I agree with this idea, it is bound to be messy though... well I still think it's a good idea, just on what page (cause it shouldn't just be in the main namespace). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:20, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::There is one at [[Wishlist]], hasn't been updated in awhile though. (It's linked right from the main page.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 12:58, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Oh god that page, I completelly forgot about it. I've never interacted with it but I've seen it before, and yeah it deseperately needs updates. I also think the overall format could be made better, like people should sign themself with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to include both the date AND their username when creating a row. Also maybe descriptions for when someone wants to give more details about what they mean. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:15, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::::: I took the liberty on making changes to the Wishlist page. They also reflect previous discussions we had about restructuring the wiki and how that effort should work out. I figured that since we all wanna work on some stuff, we can see the recent changes to see who is working on an article, so listing each individual contributor is unnecessary for this process. If anyone has any suggestions, we can talk about it on the discussion page for the Wishlist article. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 17:19, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: I think it has too little details, by descriptions I meant big ones, so the task doesn't sound too ambiguous. I was thinking of making like a "wishlist row" template, and the rows with descriptions would actually be tables, that in the last row have an expand button, that would show the added description. Also I think we should just delete done tasks, or atleast delete ''old'' done tasks. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:40, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::: Okay maybe a template is too much ;-;, just a bigger part of the row for the description should be enough. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:42, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::: Sorry if that was too much/not enough. That's actually a really good idea, especially making a template for rows, or maybe just a template for the furling and unfurling of the description cell. But yeah I saw the chance and I took it so I wouldn't forget. I think wishlist discussions should be moved to the discussion page for the wishlist from now on. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 17:47, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
Okay, now that we've updated the old wishlist… how about that TODO list for what needs to be done before deleting the glossary? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:42, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
:I'd also like to see it, cause right now I think that as long as everything is migrated, its okay to delete the page. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 09:08, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
::So, is there anything that hasn't been migrated yet? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 03:58, 5 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Honestly I think all that's left is Familiar? I'll move it in a sec, but if Sweet Beanie doesn't respond I would just take it as ready to delete. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:28, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: I think it's good to delete as long as the information's been migrated to the proper pages. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 13:33, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
:::Also I think it would be okay to keep the glossary, but only for terms like [[Hyades]] or [[Irregularity]] (I can't think of any other terms like that right now). Those two aren't ''specific enough'' types of characters as Kyubey uses "Irregularity" for anyone he doesnt understand and Kanna seems to call any nonhuman-human a "Hyades" (even though she and Kazumi were made completely differently). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:20, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

I'm coming back here to argue for not splitting [[Soul Gem]] from [[Magical Girl]] again. Magical Girl is more expanded than it was then, and all the stuff from the Soul Gem page could easily go into it, like the mechanics going into Powers and the -weapon from soul gem- going into Weapons, at most the -connecting a real gem to Soul Gems- section might seem like it doesn't fit, but it can just go into Observations below everything. Tbh items like these, that are very much tied to a specific character type should be on that page, such as the Grief Seeds on the Witch page, Grief Cubes on the Wraith page, and the spoiler gems on the spoiler girl page. There's not really a situation where a Soul Gem exists outside of the Magical Girl context, at most when literally separated from the body, but that's still a Magical Girl. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:28, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
: I personally think it's still worthwhile to keep [[Soul Gem]] in a separate page, but probably trim it to talk about the Soul Gem itself rather than magical power as a whole. Powers and general concept should go into [[Magical Girl]] for sure. My thinking is that we should/could incorporate materials from [[Puella Magi Production Note#Soul Gems and Grief Seeds|Production Note]] into it. My main concern with merging is that it make it harder to expand/organize, e.g. if we want to describe Gem Form, Ring Form, and Gem Form (Transformed) in separate sections, etc. (If we decided to merge, then it might worth doing the same for {{Spoiler|[[Witch Girl]] and [[Melt Gem]]}} as well). Though there are few... difference about weapons and appearance between Ancient Era and Witch Era (I'm planning to expand on this once I verify few more things), so it might worth making them subsection instead. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 11:46, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
:: For the problem with expanding on info if they were merged, if we do merge them, the Soul Gem should get its own section on the page, and that info could go there (I dont think there's that much to write about the different forms anyway). The "Connection with the Body" section could also go there, as it is pretty important to Magical Girls, so if we didnt merge the pages, it should still be on both. Also this got me thinking, how much stuff on [[Magic]] should just be on the Magical Girl page instead? Not everything obviously, but a lot of it is Magical Girl specific. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 12:20, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

:: I tried my best on cutting down the stuff from [[Magic]] so they would be better to include on [[Magical Girl]] (it's all on my [[User:TheresaFrog421/Sandbox#Magical Girl|sandbox page]]). I did delete a lot of parts of it, some I'm unsure of so I'll mention them here. I hid Transformation, Summon Weaponry and Magic Seals from common abilities, as the transformation isnt an ability, its just a means to use them, weapons should get their own section and Magic Seals moreso represent unique magic, theyre not a skill on their own. I deleted Physical Alterations and Energy Blasts from learnable abilities, as physical alterations uses Homura fixing hey eyes as an example (and thats already used in common abilities), while energy blasts are just replacements for unique magic when the creators didnt want to add them (unless there's something I dont know, which is why the page needs references ;-;). I did also just cut down on a lot of the examples the page uses, it unnecessarily inflates the page, again references exist. I think that's it, please tell me if you agree or disagree with this, as that page is giant and I don't like doing such big changes without proper agreements on it. (already forgot to mention stuff...) I also deleted the connect and magic seal galleries, but they could be brought back ig, they're not bad but just kinda big and imo dont fit. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 16:32, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

It sounds like the glossary is mostly ready to be deleted; just need to clean up any [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Glossary|links to it]] and then I can delete it. If no-one does that, I'll deal with it "soon". ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:14, 25 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Magic

2026-09-25T22:12:01Z

Celtic Minstrel: /* Deleting this page */

Isn't Mami's special ability her ribbons, while Kyoko's is her barrier?----[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 09:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
:Not sure how to approach this page yet. I'm just building a skeleton. Welcome to fill it up with actual information. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 09:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Can all the girls use telepathy? Kyouko did it too call out to Sayaka and Madoka, but I think the other girls need QB as an in-between.
I thought it was Kyouko's special ability: being heard by others. Like at the end of her fight with Octavia it seemed like she got through to her, as we saw Kyouko through Octavia's eyes.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 22:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
:We know that Madoka and Sayaka were able to do it, but they did have Kyubey with them... well, Kyubey is practically always with them in the first place. It'd be hard to tell. It's probably safe to assume he needs to be there, though. --[[Special:Contributions/173.179.61.183|173.179.61.183]] 22:44, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
::I believe it's an ability shared by all contractors. I don't really see Kyoko being the only one with capacity, and the others being forced to use Kyubey. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 17:39, 27 March 2011 (BST)
:Kyouko made a wish about 'being heard', and up til now she's the only one using it without QB around. --[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 17:51, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

:-My interpretation was that telepathic communication is part of the standard magical girl package, but a relay is necessary for normal humans to send back replies. --[[User:KM]] 23:09, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
:-Why would you assume that, when we've never seen the girls use telepathy amongst themselves? For now it's just speculah, not fact.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 14:40, 27 March 2011 (BST)

:Mami was able to communicate with Sayaka and Madoka in school without having Kyubey next to her. Then again, we don't know how far Kyubey can transmit messages, or how far away Mami's classroom was. --[[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.100|64.89.144.100]] 02:25, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
:QB was next to Sayaka & Madoka, and said himself they were within range of telepathic communication. So the only one we've seen using telepathy without QB around is Kyouko. --[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 07:41, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

== What category ==

I am not sure what category should this page belong under. Maybe Facts? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 02:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
:I currently added a link to this page under [[Articles]], so maybe the articles category as well? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 08:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
::"Articles" seems right to me. Since other articles also fall under "fanmade analysis", maybe add it too? (the category "articles" contains both analyses and speculah) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

== Witch's Maze, Labyrinth, or Lair ==

I'll like to know what term should this wiki use for this specific dimension. We also seem to be missing a page and/or this term in the glossary. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 11:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
:The [[Glossary]] has "Barrier". Aside from that, it's the same problem as with "Magical Girl/Puella Magi/Mahou Shoujo". We haven't really thought a guideline up yet. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

== Karma/Karmic Destiny ==
This part seems to be very similar to the [[Potential]] page I made. Should I merge the Potential page into this one? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 17:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
:I think that makes sense. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 23:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

== Personal Abilities (Kazumi) ==

I have yet to read Kazumi Magica and therefore do not know the extent of everyone's abilities, so I will be unable to do this section effectively. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 00:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

== Tiro Duet ==

I seem to recall that there was a Tiro Duet involving either Sayaka or Kyouko somewhere, possibly in Different Story or even Homura's Revenge. Did I just make that up? It's entirely possible that it's all a figment of my imagination, but… if it's real, it should probably be added to this connect gallery. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 06:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
:There's a connect between Madoka and Sayaka that's then used on Holy Mami in the Magireco anime, and Sayaka says Tiro Duet when it connects to Mami so that might be the one you're thinking of, I'd add it but I can't upload images yet cause my acc is new D: ~ [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:58, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
::Whatever I was thinking of, it definitely wasn't from the Magia Record anime. It was either Rebellion or one of the mangas. That is, if it wasn't entirely my imagination. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

==Mami & Nagisa Connect==
Can the Tiro Finale From Rebellion be considered a Connect between Mami and Nagisa or is that too far of a reach? The only evidence for this (apart from it having some kind of dessert in it) is from Mami's Scene 0 unit in Magireco, where her second magia is that exact attack from Rebellion but the animation features Nagisa for some reason, this could just be a way of including Nagisa in the Scene 0 units (because she didn't get one) but in Scene 0 she had a stronger bond with Madoka/Homura than Mami. I need to know if I'm reaching to look for more Connects in Madomagi or not. --[[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:12, 15 January 2025 (UTC)

==Connect Symbol==
Could someone find/upload the Connect symbol? I've seen it online a few times and it seems like a missed opportunity to not have it. I mean the circle thingy. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 11:57, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
: The Connect symbol is the same as the Puella Care logo, so I think this is the one you were looking for. -[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 13:10, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
<gallery>
File:Logo 03.jpeg
</gallery>

== Deleting this page ==

Okay, I've already moved like 90% of stuff from here to either [[Magical Girl]] or [[Witch]], you can go see it there. Can this page be deleted, turned into a redirect or just be made way smaller? Most of the info here is specific to ''types'' of Magical beings, that's why they were moved to other pages. The biggest things I didn't move are the Connect and Magic Seal galleries, and I don't really have an idea what to do with them other than just purge. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:16, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
: Those could probably move into the Gallery namespace? Not sure what the page name would be though. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:36, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Something like [[Madoka Magica Soul Gems]] and the other Soul Gem/Grief Seed pages? Idk if it would be grouped by character or a different way, cause character Connects would repeat a lot. If we do a basic gallery I think it could just go under Gallery:Magic, even if Magic doesnt stay as a page (Magical Girl would link to it). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 21:47, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
::: I would agree that galleries don't ''necessarily'' always have to correspond directly to a primary article in the main namespace, so that sounds fine to me. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:36, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: Okay I moved them, and since it is its own page, I added a lot more. Im not gonna lie and say that I like how the Seals section looks... but whatever, I think this page is ready to be deleted? (also idk if youve seen the discussion on the glossary page, but we agreed its okay to delete it) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:34, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: Before deleting this page, we'll have to clean up any [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Magic|links]] and also make sure that all the [[Special:PrefixIndex/Magic|33 subpages]] are also ready to be deleted. Normally I'd just do it, but there are actually a ''lot'' in this case, so I'm mentioning it and will probably get to it "soon" if no-one else does. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:12, 25 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Mami Tomoe

2026-09-25T22:08:31Z

Celtic Minstrel: /* Wishes */ new section

Spoiler tag, maybe? --[[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 13:23, 21 January 2011 (CST)

== 2ch memes ==

From twitter:
<blockquote>海外のまどマギのまとめwikiがおもしろい。登場人物や各話の考察だけじゃなく、「2chではhomuraの住んでいる家を『ほむホーム』と呼んでいる」とか書いてある。「マミる」についてはまだ何も書かれてない </blockquote>
Indeed, no mention of "Mamiru" on this page, although we did add the 2ch memes about Homura and Kyouko (looks like somebody has removed "condom-chan" though). Do you find it worth adding? (basically, they made a verb out of Mami's name based on ... well, you know ;_;) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 19:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

==Regarding her name==
I wonder if they were trying to imply that she has mixed parentage with the sort-of Italian-sounding non-name in katakana (along with the Italian epithet for her gun)? It makes more sense than trying to piecemeal silly kanji meanings over it. You'd have to be a cruel parent to intend that your child's name be read literally. --Wyatt
:I think it was an accidental coincidence. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 21:57, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
::Not that I am complaining. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 21:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
::... All the more since [[Translated_Official_Documents#Mami.27s_special_move|her move name was totally improvised]] --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 06:30, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Mami is an actual name, I think. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.254.107|162.158.254.107]] 07:41, 15 October 2015 (UTC)Kartoffel

==Mami's Witch==

Can someone help me with a translation? I plan to make card for a potential Witch!Mami. I just need help translating her card description into Japanese. Here's her description:

<blockquote>The Butterfly Witch. Her nature is fragility. She lures humans into her world with the desire for company. However, her smile hides a broken mind and she will devour those who drop their guard. She appears to take great pleasure in her ways. She will continuously seek more companions. There are times when she will cry from her loneliness. She will never lose her head in a fight. She desires the company of other Witches the most.</blockquote>

I would appreciate it if someone can help out. Thanks --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 14:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

::Witch!Mami's name is Candeloro. She has a witch card. She, however, has a similar nature to your idea.

==Official translation deletion==
As [[User:Randomanon|Randomanon]] has pointed out someone is deleting part of the accurate translation. Whoever it is it needs to be warned or banned. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 03:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

== Changes in the character page ==
It always bothered me how chaotic the main character pages seemed, so I'm thinking of changing them according to the guidelines, though I'm a bit scared because some are HUGE lol. Perhaps I will start with Mami. Should I put a preview here in the discussion page first [[User:Secco|Secco]] 07:39, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[[User:Secco|Secco]]
*I agree, but since the post is so old, is anyone still interested in organising the page? Some of the sections seem to be just mass spammage of information. Also, can someone advise on the use of the past tense or the present tense? [[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 17:58, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
**The pages could definitely use some clean-up. I'd be willing to help edit a few pages, too, if needed. As for present vs past tense, I would default to using present for anything that occurs during the story, and past for things that are spoken of happening before the timeline being examined at the time. So for example, Mami ''is'' a magical girl, and she ''contracted'' with Kyubey some time ago. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 18:12, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
***I've started with cleaning up (as you may see from the edits). It's great to know I'm not the only one. I've been keeping almost all the info, just moving them around, and I haven't really added any new info, in case anyone is wondering. Thanks for the tenses advice, but could I clarify regarding specific events in the timeline? There's a couple of examples I saw here:
***When we say Mami got eaten by Charlotte, is it "she jumped recklessly..." or "she jumps recklessly..."?
***"When assaulting Gertrud's barrier, Mami fights in a very focused and disciplined manner, choosing her shots carefully and reacting quickly when she gets into trouble." It reads better in past tense to me since it's a specific event.[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 18:50, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
**** For the first question, it could go either way. I'd pick whatever reads easiest and matches the paragraph tense around it. For the second, it's describing how she fights as a general rule as compared to her more frenzied fighting in Charlotte's barrier, so I'd keep it present. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 20:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
***** I think the other character pages also need tidying up too, actually, but I'm focusing on Mami only for now. Any ideas on new sections would be great, I've sorta run dry of ideas to classify the remaining content further (There's still too much lumped under observations and speculations). If there's any objections to my newly added sections, just raise it too.
***** I haven't read any of the other media (though I know the storylines), so it'll be good if someone can look at Oriko, Kazumi and add ''The Different Story'' and the movie details. [[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 11:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
****** Probably the easiest way to do it like the spin-off characters, with a full history section, so we can remove the episode 3 spoiler from the top of the page. The history section can be further divided up by anime/movie/different manga sections. I'll start that now, actually. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 13:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
******* It looks good. Do you think personality should be incorporated into General info? Cos it's short and it's...general info.
******* Hmmm, I went to take a look at the spin-off characters. History also won't fit as well being the third part compared to the spin-offs cos a lot of the distilled info is in other parts (and since there's nothing in anime+dramaCDs now, it isn't as enticing). Maybe after wish and weapons? --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 13:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
******** History and personality are really the major points when it comes to story, so I think those should go first. The official/general info section could be cut down by putting info like the note about her deaths into the history section, really. The personality section was just a short placeholder for the moment, mostly, while we work on moving things around.
******** Also, doing it this way makes all the character pages the same in format, plus puts spoilers like the wish and weapons/fighting styles after their in-story context, which is more important when it comes to story and plot function. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 14:20, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
*********Hmmm I don't think we have to worry about formatting because we're effectively creating a new template (that I assume will be transferred to the rest of the pages). History seems to be a general synopsis of the whole thing, but it's rather piecemeal imo because it's character specific. Let's wait for more opinions before we get in on that again. No point fighting over it now.
*********Now in hindsight, it seems more appropriate if the New World is put together with the anime, because it's one continuity. --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 14:34, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
********* That's true. The new movie will be in that world, so we can always just move it to a new section when that comes out. The first two movies have no new plot details so we can skip them in the history section. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 14:59, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
*** "In "The different story", Kyoko is not member of Mami's party and Mami quit "a champion of justice"　for Sayaka. Therefore, There is a possibility that same situations occur in Timeline 3. If so they are, "Mami's act in Timeline 3" has　logical means. In short, Kyoko is not friend(It means that there is no means that Mami forbids herself shooting Kyoko.), Mami has not reason to live(Because, Mami quit "a champon of justice" for Sayaka and Sayaka is lost.), and Homura kills Sayaka(Oktavia) in front of Mami(It means that Mami has reason to kill Homura)." "In "The different story", Mami does not fall insanity and turns to the witch when immediately　after she knows the truth of the soulgem. So in Timeline 3, Mami may not fall insanity when she knows the truth of the soulgem." Makes no sense at all, anyone wanna rewrite it? [[Special:Contributions/76.233.177.139|76.233.177.139]] 20:36, 25 December 2012 (UTC)Guest

== Intro paragraph ==
I think we need a better synopsis which doesn't immediately spoil Episode 3 for anyone who googles Mami Tomoe before watching it. (Yes, there are people who haven't watched it yet. I was one of them until 2 months ago.) I don't have any ideas, but it would be great if someone could edit it. [[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 18:59, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
:The revision history is amusing.
::21 January 2011: IP address from AUS: "She died tragically in episode 3."
::21 January 2011: Artefacto: Undoes that revision, removing the spoiler.
::26 January 2011: IP address from GER: "She dies a gruesome death in the battle against the witch [[Charlotte]] in [[episode 3]]."
::27 January 2011: Homerun-chan adds a spoilers warning box above the paragraph.
::27 January 2011: Episode 4 airs.
::29 January 2011: IP address from UK: Inserts "seemingly" before "dies."
::Spoiling it within hours of when subs first became available, and requiring a "seemingly" qualifier since watching her get chewed to pieces and her magic be dispelled on camera wasn't sufficient confirmation that she died. Good times. Well, the new paragraph shouldn't spoil things for anyone who doesn't know about it, right? [[User:KM|KM]] 08:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::It looks great! [[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 10:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== Consolidation ==

I've been tidying up the page for the last couple of days, but so far I've been avoiding making substantial changes to the content cos I'm not sure how to do so without cutting details. For example, in the below example it's probably clear that person A wrote some interpretation about episode 10 first, then two separate people commented on it, disagreeing.

To shorten and consolidate the point, should I just rephrase the whole thing? Cos I feel that the differing opinions have value in them but it's awkwardly long for a wiki article. It's the same thing for the discussion on whether Mami is the strongest magical girl.

Opinions anyone? Delete, keep or shift to the discussion page? Or create another page for interpretation? Or something?

*In episode 10, learning the awful truth about magical girls after fighting Sayaka/Oktavia makes Mami from Timeline 3 lose her mind, since her whole view of the world is shattered. She breaks down in tears, killing Kyoko by shooting her Soul Gem, then wraps Homura in ribbons and tries to kill her, genuinely thinking that she is saving them from a fate worse than death. Madoka, however, destroys Mami's Soul Gem with a beam arrow and kills her to stop her rampage.
**Mami may have been calmer than she first seemed, considering she did not despair and turn into a witch immediately. Her method of attack was also strategic, killing Kyoko, who is a close-range combat expert possessing high speed and agility first, tying up Homura so she cannot use her time manipulation, and leaving Madoka, who is timid and held much admiration for her (and thus was not expected to react so quickly), later.
**In "Key Animation Note Volume 5,P194", Yukihiro Miyamoto (the series director of Puella Magi Madoka　Magica) says that Mami binds Homura and kills Kyoko "in calm judgment."(He stated, "I like Mami's calm judgment. Firstly, she binds Homura who has the ability to manipulate　time. Subsequently, she kills Kyoko who has the powerful offensive power. Mami's only miscalculation is that Madoka's　mind is stronger than she assumed."). Considering the circumstances mentioned above, the producers of Puella Magi Madoka Magica insist that the Mami of Timeline 3 doesn't lose her mind in that occurrence.
[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 10:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::For this specific example, the two double-bulleted sections could be merged into one, since they're quite redundant.

:::In the general case, err on the side of including detail. Having rebuttals to analysis isn't a problem (although poorly written or stupid ones warrant fixing or axing).

:::By the way, use the preview function every time. It makes editing a lot more efficient and helps consolidate small edits. I still have to double check everything I write to avoid having typos slip in. [[User:KM|KM]] 17:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::::Ok I will. Sorry for crowding the History page. --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 18:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== Spoilers ==

I have absolutely no idea what to put as spoilers (i.e. blank out, I dunno the term for it) and what to leave there as per normal. I suspect that Oriko and Kazumi are treated as spoilers cos most people didn't/haven't read them yet, but I'm not sure what to do with the Madoka Magica ones. There's so many Wham Lines that it's ridiculous.

Should Oriko and Kazumi still be blanked out? I support that (cos I haven't read them yet). Should info regarding certain eps in Madoka Magica be blanked out too? What do you think?
The particular line that bugs me is this: She was brought back to life due to Madoka's wish at the end of Episode 12. She now fights Demons with Kyoko and Homura.
[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 10:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:I think it's reasonable to keep spoiler tags for material that isn't yet available in English, or has just been released. So I wouldn't count in the episodes from the series or Oriko. Otherwise we might as well white out the whole page, since anything can be a spoiler to somebody. Having everything sorted into proper sections would help peole avoid areas where there's a high chance of spoilers for them. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 11:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's reasonable. My personal take for spoilers is the New World in eps 12, Oriko and Kazumi, but if it's sorted properly there won't be a need to white them out.More work to do then. --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 12:10, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::Whiteouts should be rare. If it's one line in the whole article, or a couple sentences about a different work that's OK. They can be used more often for related works like Oriko, since it might not be obvious that you'll get the ending of a spinoff spoiled (you might not even be aware of the spinoff), or for stuff that's new and not widely read yet.

:::However, if someone hasn't finished the main anime and starts reading through the guts of a wiki article anyway, it's their own fault if they get spoiled. I thought it was a good idea to remove the intro paragraph spoiler because it's "above the fold" and could be seen by somebody previewing the page before it sinks in that they're in an article with a big spoiler warning at the top. [[User:KM|KM]] 17:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== Spoiler template ==

I have no programming background/knowledge, so I trialed and errored and edited the template. I haven't posted it up yet because I suspect there's a rule somewhere that says that we should reference the template page instead of typing it out on the page. Anyone knows anything about that?
<div style="border: 1px solid #c90209; border-left: 5px solid #c90209; padding: 7px 10px; margin-bottom: 1em; background: #fff; {{#if: {{{margin}}}| margin-right: {{{margin}}}}}">
<span style="font-size:1.1em; display: block;">'''This article may contain major spoilers for all episodes and chapters.</span>
Please refrain from reading if you are not yet familiar with all the latest media released</div>

I feel it's more suitable for the spoiler banner as it says article instead of section. If anyone could edit the actual template to include an 'article' option, it would be great. Any opinions on what it should say? 'Latest media released' seems awkward since the original Madoka Magica anime isn't really 'latest media' anymore...
[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 11:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:Changing section to article makes sense there. Latest media released probably applies to anything released recently, not just the anime. Which might be confusing for someone who isn't keeping up with what is being released... --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 12:04, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::I agree. For the character pages, a good warning would be ALL the media released, depending on the section, but that's rather intimidating. --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 12:26, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::Yes, it does sound rather intimidating. I think the character pages should be more accessible than that. An option could be to add a smaller warning at the top of the page with: "This article may contain spoilers from various media. Please proceed with caution.", then use individual warnings for sections where it's not obvious what is being spoiled. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 13:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::We shouldn't have very similar or redundant templates, and "section" could technically cover an article, so a separate article-wide warning should add something more substantial. I can't think of much besides linking to a list of the existing media, and it's hard to describe article formats because different articles will have spoilers in different places. If we can't come up with anything more meaty to add to an article-wide box, the way you have it now seems pretty good with "above the fold" stuff being spoiler-free, and subsections spoiling freely. As for actually changing templates, that's something you'd have to check with [[User:0x99|0x99]] for. [[User:KM|KM]] 17:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

<div style="border: 1px solid #c90209; border-left: 5px solid #c90209; padding: 7px 10px; margin-bottom: 1em; background: #fff; {{#if: {{{margin}}}| margin-right: {{{margin}}}}}">
<span style="font-size:1.1em; display: block;">'''This article may contain major spoilers regarding various media and spin-offs.</span>
Please proceed with caution.</div>
::::I like Knon's suggestion about the phrasing. Is it substantial enough? Do you think the first and second lines be swapped? I think we should firm up an idea for a template before asking 0x99 (thanks for the heads-up). I also edited the spoiler warning for the History section to make it specific to sub-sections (not really necessary) and specific releases instead of latest releases (more necessary I think). Any opinons on that too? --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 19:10, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

== Little details ==

*Are Mami's curls Ojou Ringlets? It sure looks like it, but I'm not sure.--[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 14:45, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
**It's a TVtrope that works for her (ringlets that evoke a ladylike image), so I guess that's why we're calling them that, but really we could just call them whatever. We don't have to follow th exact TVtropes definition. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 14:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

*From trivia: "The reason Mami is hung up in naming her attacks is because she is trying to emulate the Mahou Shoujo from her childhood, it is her own way of gaining the courage to fight witches without feeling terrified." I don't remember this from anywhere. Was it in one of the guidebooks/interviews? --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 16:27, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::It's from [[Drama CD 3]], after Kyouko asks her why she's so hung up on her shouting her attack name: "Mami: I just think it’s better than fighting while you’re terrified/afraid. We’re always risking our lives when we fight Witches to death. But then I thought to myself, when we dreamed of our favourite magical girls as a child they never lost hope or were afraid." --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 17:00, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::Hmmm thanks! Been planning to listen to it sometime but I've been busy lately.--[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]]17:12, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
*The "Saimoe 2011: Mami's victory speech" and "Mami's Nendoroid losing her head" links at the bottom of the page is broken. Anyone has the link? --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 16:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
**[http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:f4hz-itJ4ysJ:fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/348/b/1/mami_tomoe__2ch_ast_2011_by_bongaboi-d4f5scz.html+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a Victory speech google cache]. There's also a [http://bedlamba.blogspot.com/2011/11/2ch-anime-saimoe-2011-mami-tomoe.html blog]. Not sure about the nendoroid one, though. [[User:KM|KM]] 17:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
***Thanks for the link. I've replaced it with the cache. Anyone prefers the blog? --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 18:40, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

* The Ume Aoki design check link is dead too. Anyone have an alternate one? --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 17:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:[[Megami Magazine 2011-01]]. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 17:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::Thank you. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 17:55, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

*Could someone beef up "Mami enjoys hosting tea parties. She cooks well. " in the General Info section? I don't know how to do it justice since Mami's tea parties almost seem like a character trait. --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 18:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

*"Mami wears standard panties" - There's nothing specifically wrong with it, but there's nowhere to put it that doesn't sound awkward imo. Is it necessary? It's not censorship but it's not really a very important thing (Even considering Drama CD 2). --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 19:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:Yeah, it's not a design note from a creator, doesn't really tell us anything about her costume we need to know, and it's not relevant to anything around it. I think it's safe to axe it. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 19:36, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::It actually is, which is why I mentioned it. [[Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_Art_Book#Mami|Link]]. But only mentioning this out ignores other details that were put in the official book. I support axing it though. --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 19:40, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I suppose comparing it to Sayaka's page and whether it has it might help decide? Because she has the same note on in the book, too, but it's not mentioned on that page. So either we keep/add to both or we keep it off of both pages for consistency. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 19:55, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::::I think it's worth leaving in. A lot of people think she wears fancy, sexy ones like what we usually see in fanart. The choice reflects on her character and makes her seem a bit more innocent, and goes against the idea that she's out to find a boyfriend due to loneliness and some lines like when she was suggesting wishes to Madoka. Maybe we could add to the line to point out that the regular ones are in contrast to what fans often imagine. [[User:KM|KM]] 19:57, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::It's reasonable, but could you elaborate and edit on that? Also, should it be in the more important general info or the trivia section then? --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 02:46, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

*[[File:Pmmm-04525.jpg|left|120px|thumb|]] Is this in the blu-ray version or the PSP game? Cos Mami's house appears to be a residence in the anime, but it is clearly a maisonette (apartment with two floors) here. --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 03:04, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
::That's how it looks in the anime BD. [[User:KM|KM]] 23:44, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
:::Oh, so it's a two floor maisonette in all media?--[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 07:35, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
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*Does someone know the exact interview the description "Extremely powerful when she is alone" came from? Would be good to link to it. --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 08:56, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
*I think it might be good to link the speculah pages involving Mami (with Mami's non-trivial involvement in the speculah) in a short list in the 'speculation' section or somewhere on the page. Any opinions?
*In the movie, I'm pretty sure Mami had a mark on fingernail. I don't think there are any pics to prove it, but can anyone who's seen them confirm this? [[User:ViralJuggernaut|ViralJuggernaut]] 05:45, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
== ToDo ==
Here are just a few things I think need to be done
*Synopsis of the drama CDs (Mami-specific parts)
*Tidying up of the text (See Consolidation above)
*Moving the large speculation sections into their own Speculah/Article page.
*Comparison of differences between anime and movie (Mami-specific)
--[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 18:40, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
== Speculation formatting ==

The speculation section seems to be a semi-forum-ish argument-counterargument on certain issues. It's hard to follow this way, so I tried putting it in a table form (see below) for one of the arguments about how strong Mami is. What do you think?
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Formatting is a bit rough (I adapted it from the Weapons page) as I did it by trial and error. Directly opposing points are next to each other.

Mami's relative strength<br />
(Deleted as it was shifted to the [[Speculah:Mami is the Strongest Theory|Speculah]] page)
--[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 16:06, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
*Wow, that is ''really'' big. Maybe for the speculations that have become so big like this, it might be worth just putting it on a Speculah/Article page of its own? Using a few of these tables will clutter the page quickly. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 16:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
**I think that that would be good. Mami's page is really cluttered with all of this. I haven't edited a Speculah page before, so maybe someone/you could create the framework? On an unrelated note, are speculah hard to find (no direct links) or is it just me? --[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 16:21, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
***They used to be easier to find, but since we cut them all down, we removed a lot of directs to them. You can find them on the [[Articles]] page. I can start a page for this particular speculation, but they're probably going to need individual pages. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 16:34, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
::::Since it's speculation, it might fit better on the [[theories]] page. --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 17:04, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::Oh, forgot about that page. I'll use that then. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 17:14, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::[[Speculah:Mami is the Strongest Theory]] page created. Feel free to add/remove anything you guys find necessary, I'm not sure how to handle pages like these, for the most part. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]]
::::::Thanks for handling it. Since everything is moved there, I'll delete it from the speculation section. I'll just put a short description of her strength in the general info part. Or does it fit better in Weapons/Abilities/Fighting Style?--[[User:AMbeforenoon|AMbeforenoon]] 18:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Since it's mostly about her tactics and magical strength, I'd put in in the Weapons/Abilities/Fighting Style section, yes. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 18:52, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

==Voiceworld: Tomoe Mami Hotline==
[[File:Voiceworld tomoe mami.png|300px]]

<i>Voiceworld "Tomoe Mami Hotline"

You can call Mami-san!

A voice service where you can get Mami-san's phone number and enjoy telephone conversations with her. If your communication with her deepens, you can even have discuss private matters...!?</i> --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:54, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
: 10 yen / 20 seconds --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:54, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

== Question from a stupid person. ==

I saw a Gen Urobuchi tweet that, if a Puella Magi is "killed" (or rather, if a normally fatal wound is caused and the Magi doesn't know the truth about magical girls (that being that they cannot die due to their souls being in their soul gems)) would instead instantly turn into a witch. Do we know if this happened to Mami? [[Charlotte]], if I recall correctly, only decapitated her. This would mean Mami became Candeloro, right? Am I wrong on this? [[User:PureChaos|PureChaos]] ([[User talk:PureChaos|talk]]) 13:03, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
: I don't think Mami's death can confirm or deny that theory. Mami's soul gem was on her head, so it was undoubtedly destroyed when Charlotte chomped on her head. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:14, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
:: Fair point, but I don't remember Charlotte chewing, only doing a single bite at her neck. This leads me to think her gem was intact. [[User:PureChaos|PureChaos]] ([[User talk:PureChaos|talk]]) 11:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Also, when Madoka became the law of cycles, she had an afterlife conversation with both Kyoko and Mami, but not Sayaka. Sayaka is the only one we can confirm became a witch in the original series whereas we can also confirm with certainty that Kyoko's soul gem was shattered. Since Mami is there and not Sayaka, it implies Mami's soul gem was crushed also. IIRC, there is also a shattering or twinkling effect when Mami gets chomped to support this. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 13:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
::::Charlotte didn't do a clean cut, she did chomp and chew her head off, and because Mami's soul gem is on her head it got broke because of that. They show a scene in the anime of the gem breaking and Mami's clothes reverting to her school uniform when it happens. To my knowledge, Mami only ever becomes Candeloro in the Portable game in one of her routes, and that had nothing to do with Charlotte either. - [[User:The Witch's House|The Witch's House]] ([[User talk:The Witch's House|talk]]) 15:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
::::: Just rewatched it. She ''does'' come out of her PM form, but I didn't hear a gem shatter or see any visual. I'll take your word, but I'm still suspicious. [[User:PureChaos|PureChaos]] ([[User talk:PureChaos|talk]]) 15:38, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
::::::Gem shattering visual+sound is in the movie (specifically for that purpose), but the point still stands. Mami's soul gem is on her head, Charlotte is shown chewing her head after biting it, gem breaks and Mami detransforms upon death. If she actually became Candeloro at that point, we would've known by now. - [[User:The Witch's House|The Witch's House]] ([[User talk:The Witch's House|talk]]) 18:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

== Wishes ==

<blockquote>in fact, Mami is the only one (among the quintet and Nagisa) who does a wish for herself.</blockquote>
I think Nagisa's wish is arguably for herself though? Yes, she wants a cheesecake her mother would find delicious, so in that sense you could say it's for someone else, but the through process behind it is completely selfish. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:08, 25 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Timeline/Original/Historical

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Notes:
# Most stuff (especially Kazumi) needs shortening.
# There's a handful of xxx references that need to be accounted for.
# There's some Tart stuff from Magia Record which needs to be added.
# The characters from Mobage, etc. need to be added since their backstories can't be in Miscellaneous. Or maybe they should, in which case the Oriko cast should too, however they're really more important than Mobage et al so idk.
# Add a vague Nagisa backstory not mentioning Yu since Yu only showed up in Record's timeline.
# Check other characters too, like Koito, Komaki, etc.

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Don't include Exedra content in here. Exedra is not set in the same timeline(s) as its source materials, there are subtle changes. For instance, in MagiReco, Iroha's Doppel is Giovanna, but in Exedra's version of Magia Record Main Story, that's Griseldis. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:35, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
: Exedra introduces variants, which are usually on the nightmare versions of the anime's windows. I haven't gone through most of them, but I thought it's worth keeping open to show these "possibilities". The wording around their introduction is still very obtoose so I'll have to look at them more. It's possible a bunch of them are events which couldn't have happened in any of the known timelines so it's good to have Exedra as an option, but I might also make a Miscellaneous Timelines page or smething of the sort.[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 14:27, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
:I don't think that's really the case, EPF. For example, I'm pretty sure Griseldis was just an error and not an intentional difference; as far as I can tell, Exedra's version of Magia Record isn't intended to be any different from the original. Unless you can point to less subtle changes that can't be written off as a mistake, I think it's fair to include things from Exedra here… though, at the same time, I doubt there'd be anything to include that isn't already in the original Magia Record.
:Regarding the special Nightmare stories, as well as the bonus stories in certain events and the permanent event, I think basically all of those should be thought of as additional extra timelines and thus not added to any of the Scene 0 or original anime timelines. So if ''that's'' what EPF meant by "don't include Exedra content", then I agree. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:50, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

==46==
Can I ask where this information came from: ''The duration of 32 days is almost entirely determined from Scene 0 – if considering the anime alone, each timeline could be considered to last up to 46 days. It is even possible that not every timeline is the exact same length, as the exact mechanics of how Homura's time travel works are unknown. However, for the purposes of this article, we assume exactly 32 days for each timeline, to keep things simple.'' Homura's time travel could work one of two ways: It rewinds to exactly 32 days ago (but having to wait 32 days between rewinds), or by going back into a set point in time. Regardless of which one it is, I don't understand how Walpurgisnacht's arrival would vary except maybe when the Magius are involved. Even if Homura switches universes when time traveling, like how it's theorized with the Kyosuke Guitar Timeline 3 conundrum, she wouldn't be able to know Walpurgisnacht's arrival if it changed. I've also never heard of the 46 day thing other than when people really want Walpurgis to arrive on the actual Walpurgisnacht. I think Scene 0 was so strict with the number of days given to us for a reason, it feels a bit frivolous to just throw that away.[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 19:08, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not completely sure, since it was other people who worked that out, but [[Timeline]] states it as an upper bound for the number of days. In other words, there is evidence that it could not be more than 46 days, but little or no concrete evidence that it was definitely less, and also no concrete evidence that it was exactly 46 days.
:I didn't say anything about Walpurgisnacht's arrival varying though )at least not wildly – small variances of a day or less are probably believable). If the timelines do vary in length, it wouldn't be because of Walpurgisnacht – it would either be because she chose to go back before it arrived, ''or'' she managed to defeat it but then something went wrong a few days later and she decided to go back after all. Not that was have any evidence that timelines like the latter exist… but on the other hand, the Oriko Magica timeline is a good candidate for the former. Of course, all of that is only possible if Homura's timeline returns to a fixed point, rather than rewinding by a fixed duration, but since we don't know which of those is the case, I think we can't say for sure.
:I don't think we can even conclude that every timeline in Scene 0 was definitely exactly 32 days. There are timelines that we don't see the ending of, like the early one where Mabayu is killed by Asiphae. Though, that said, it would be very difficult (if not impossible) to argue for a timeline of ''more'' than 32 days for any Scene 0 timeline. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:32, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
:: At the very least, we can agree that according to all the evidence available, Homura wakes up on day 1 and Walpurga arrives on Mitakihara on day 32. Homura can leave early, like in Oriko (though that isn't confirmed, maybe she was just in the corner lamenting everything), or defeat/survive/evade Walpy and then rewind back from day 52 for example all the way back to day 1. In that case, I think we should change the wording to reflect that Homura's awakening and Walpy's arrival are set in stone at least. I read the article and the 46 days assumption truly only seems to have popped up because they made the assumption that 1. It starts on March 16, and 2. They really wanted the day Walpurgisacht arrives to be the actual Walpurgis Night. I read through it and the section just starts with the assumption that Walpurisnacht arrives on May 1st, though by now that's been disproven by Scene 0. Below I've written a new version of the paragraph, I hope that it is accepted for the article:
*** "The duration of 32 days is definitively established by Scene 0, however the exact mechanics of how Homura's time travel works are not yet fully understood. It is unknown if she can rewind time back to 32 days ago after the sand in her timer runs out, or only go back to the fixed point on Day 1 at the hospital, though the latter is heavily implied. <br> It is also unknown if she can reset time before the 32 day limit passes, as Oriko Magica suggests, or if she could theoretically go back to the fixed point in the hospital from beyond day 32, after Walpurgisnacht passes. <br> Regardless, the core, fixed points across timelines are Homura's awakening on day 1, the 16th and Walpurgisnacht's arrival on day 32, the 16th of the next month. Thus for this article, the 32-day cycle from awakening to Walpurgisnacht is the consistent framework in use." [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:43, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

:: I don't know that Walpurgisnacht's arrival is absolutely fixed though. At least, it's probably the same day in the vast majority of "core" timelines; but in the Magia Record timelines at least, it could easily be different, given there was an intentional call to summon her. Even in the "core" timelines it wouldn't strike me as odd if her arrival was off by up to a day in either direction. If I recall correctly, we do know (straight from Homura's mouth, though implied rather than explicitly stated) that there is some variance in her arrival. Maybe the variance wasn't enough to change the day, though. Still, I'd argue that the only truly fixed point is her awakening on day 1, even if Walpurgisnacht does indeed arrive on day 32 in every known non-MR timeline.
:: But there's still potentially another problem with scene 0's 32-day cycle. I haven't looked into it in great detail, but [[Timeline]] also indicates that the ''minimum'' number of days for the final anime timeline is 39 – the 16th of one month to the 23rd of the other. Maybe that discrepancy can be reconciled though, I'm not sure. Needs more investigation into where that conclusion actually came from. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:55, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
::: If you mean what she told Kyoko in episode 8, she was actively trying to not reveal all the information she had, especially with how she'd experienced Walpurgisnacht before. I don't think we should take that at face value and even then she just says that "Walpurgisnacht will appear at this area" and in Drama CD 3, I'd suggest it's much the same but I will elaborate further below.
::: But reading through the entire article many times over, I've come to a few conclusions, I'll just bring it all together:
:::: The only concrete, undisputed temporal facts from the series are:
::::: The 16th: Homura's timeline always begins on the 16th of the month when she is released from the hospital.
::::: The 25th: Homura transfers to Mitakihara Middle School on the 25th of the same month.
::::: The Month: The story takes place in a single month that is either March or May. This is based on school calendars, seasonal clues (foliage, clothing), and the 31-day requirement for the 16th to the 25th to fit. All other dates are extrapolations from these points.
:::: Several things disprove the chart depicted in "Timeline 5: The Main Anime Timeline." Homura's talk with Kyoko, which explains Walpurgisnacht is arriving in two weeks couldn't have happened on the 9th. Particularly because Scene 0 proves that Mami dies on the 30th, Sayaka becomes a Magical girl on the 31st and Sayaka fights with Kyoko on the 1st of the month. All the three events always occur in the same points in time, and in Scene 0's framework, Kyoko's talk with Homura about Walpurgisnacht happening in two weeks happens on the 1st, or day 17. This would make Walpurgisnacht appear exactly 15 days later on day 32, the 16th. Something that suggests there's variation to when Walpurgisnacht appears is: 1. Drama CD 3 and Magia Record.
::::: Drama CD 3: The Drama CD has been turned into two events for Exedra so we have an official script for it. Farewell Story Part II, Episode 8 has Homura talk to Kyoko, but it's difficult to place when exactly that happens. Day 32 falls on a Friday, but Homura says "The numbers indicate that Walpurgisnacht could arrive in Mitakihara as early as this weekend." and this is very similar to how in the anime she just said "statistics explain Walpurgisnacht will appear here". Homura could be using a white lie or a controlled disclosure and since this takes place before the final timeline, Homura may have learned to be more direct with Kyoko. When Homura says "The numbers indicate that Walpurgisnacht could arrive in Mitakihara as early as this weekend." she's being intentionally vague and doesn't reveal to Kyoko that she's a time traveler, nor do we see the fight with Walpurgisnacht. I'm rambling but my point is that the only line in existence (that I'm aware of) that supports that the date varies is this one in Drama CD 3: "The numbers indicate that Walpurgisnacht could arrive in Mitakihara as early as this weekend." and it can be chalked up to 1. It being a few days away from day 32, 2. Homura intending to be vague as she previously has been to Kyoko before. And if we look at how this is a timeline before the final one, where Homura gives an exact date, it can be viewed as Homura learning that it's better for her if Kyoko knows Walpurgisnacht's arrival date from the get go.
::::: Magia Record: While there's a lot of events and arc 1 story chapters to go by, Walpurgisnacht's track to Mitakihara is altered by the Magius antenna. This is the one time where it's an exception to the rule since Walpurgisnacht never even makes it to Mitakihara.
::::: Anyway, this is just a long way for me to say that I believe the day 32 means Walpurgisnacht has arrived is accurate. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:24, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

::: All of this trouble stems from treating Scene0 as the same exact thing as PMMM, just with Mabayu present, and not a different timeline altogether like Magia Record. There are at least three distinct Homuras that went through at least some timeloops - 2011 anime (culminated in MadoKami), GameReco (culminated with Homura not restarting, and Madoka surviving), AniReco (culminated in a reset). I think treating Scene0 Homura as a fourth distinct Homura is best, due to mild discrepancies between PMMM and Scene0 that can't just be chalked up to "Mabayu was forgotten". [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 07:31, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
::: Relevant mention of "46" I could find on the wiki - [[Talk:Timelines#Time_span]]. Nothing earlier than that seems relevant to the timespan. I don't know why Walpurgisnacht appears on the last day of the next month, though [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 07:52, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
:::: The only reason is that the theorists took it for granted that Walpurgisnacht appears on the actual Walpurgis Night Holiday. Nothing else. [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:24, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

== Extra timelines ==

Shouldn't Oriko Extra Story be a subpage and Anireco be put here? Its stated on the page that Extra Story could be what happens when Oriko doesnt see Kriemhild Gretchen in her vision but that would make it a separate timeline, I think it would be okay to have its own page especially since Scene 0 Film 14 has its own page even though its very likely that its just the final timeline. And about Anireco... from [[:File:Discord stitch.jpg|this image]] mentioned on [[Talk:Timelines]], Anireco is still a Homura timeline, its just that it was affected by Godoka after it ended (Thats what I understood from the discord stitch atleast). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 14:00, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
: Since anireco was changed by Madoka that would make it a separate universe from the original and since Iroha made a contract before Homura could have time traveled, then that would also make it a separate universe from the main Magia Record too. I'll get to everything eventually, I'm just trying to get the scene 0 timelines documented well first and then I'll move on to the others. If we're lucky, Exedra will tackle Anireco and give us a definitive explanation since the discord stitch photo wasn't sustantial evidence and Doroinu has deleted the alleged tweet explaining anireco.[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 14:58, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
:: What do you mean by "separate universe"? It wouldn't be strange to consider each timeline as its own little universe, but I sense that may not be what you meant. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:40, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
::: Maybe my mind is fried, but adding the anime timeline to the game timeline (calling it just Timeline/Magia Record) would save me a lot of headache actually. I'm all for it, but I'll get to it in a bit, there's a lot of stuff on the to-do list. But when I say "Universes" I mean if the Witch system is in place, if the Law of Cycles, or if they're anomalous (like Magia record the game, and the anime). [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:06, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
:::: Your use of "universe" seems a bit strange to me... I'm still not sure what you mean by it. I think at one point in the old timeline page I may have said there were two universes – main anime (counting Wraith Arc and Rebellion as part of the same universe) and Magia Record. But you seem to have a different idea of what constitutes a universe? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:39, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

:: Where is there any evidence that Iroha contracted before Homura time travelled? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:40, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
::: Iroha's been a magical girl for at least about a year or a few months. The Magius have been around for months at the very least.[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:06, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
::::That's not evidence, you've just pushed the bar back. Now you need to show the evidence for how long Iroha has been a magical girl and how much time passed between the formation of the Magius and the beginning of the main story. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:39, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

:: Regarding Oriko Magica, there are definitely at least 2 distinct timelines there, possibly even 3. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:40, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
::: Since Oriko exists anyway, the extra story, where Homura isn't involved, seems like the most logical idea as to what could have happened to the Oriko cast when Homura and co aren't involved. I'd move it to the Timelines/Original/1 but it seems unnecessary, especially since the part about Oriko in Timelines/Original clarifies that it's possibly another timeline altogether. But I'm confused, what do you mean there's at least three Oriko Timelines? Sadness Prayeris just more detail and backstory added to the normal Oriko manga.[[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:06, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
::::3 would be if you consider the original Oriko Magica to be separate from Sadness Prayer. That's why it's only ''possibly'' 3; I do think it makes sense to read those two as one and the same, though. That said, I just thought of one more – the timeline of [[Oriko Mikuni (Final ver.)]] (and likely ''all'' the Oriko content from Magia Record). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:39, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

:: Deleting a tweet does not necessarily equate to disavowing it. I don't know the context here, but there are people who just habitually delete their old tweets (I think the Suzune Magica artist is one of them). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:43, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
::: If evryone else is okay with it then so am I. I'm all for adding Anireco to somewhere else, even in the Law of Cycles Universe. I'd also add the game there too since the LoC has access to them. Can I proceed with that? [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:06, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
:::: I'm not sure what you're asking, but the main argument for keeping Magia Record separate is the discrepancies between historical magical girls, so merging it in with everything else would seem to be counterproductive...? Or were you asking something else? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:39, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

:: I don't think I'd consider Exedra "tackling" Anireco as you say to be "lucky", exactly. It's more likely to just end up confusing things even further. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 19:40, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
::: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:06, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
:::: I mean, Scene 0 has just confused things further because they decided on exactly 32 days, so yeah... ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:39, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

== Environmental Evidence ==

I seem to recall somewhere it mentioned that some scenes were changed in the TV version. Do any of those changes support the May-June theory over the March-April theory? If so, that could be mentioned in the Dating section. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:14, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

==Short==
I removed a bunch of detail. Is this level of detail--and importance of the details picked-- good? ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 19:35, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
: The Tart part is a ''little'' excessive still, but since it's most of the page, I guess we can leave it at that. The non-Tart content looks good good. There are two things I still don't like, but they're purely formatting, not content: first, the way Tart is divided in half with one header subsidiary to the other; second, the way the specific story references are linked to.
: I think it might be better to have the 3 toplevel headers be "Tart Magica Main Story", "Tart Magica Prelude", and "Other" (in reverse order, and not necessarily with those exact titles), rather than titling them by time period. I think that would move the Kaffa magical girl into "Other" as well, though I'm not sure where that's from so I can't be certain.
: As for linking to the stories covered by that section, that's a tough one. I was thinking maybe a small box floated on the left hand side, but the Tart section covers so many stories that I'm not sure that would be viable. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:50, 20 September 2026 (UTC)
:: I think cluttering it with that many sections would make it excessive and hard to understand, especially since we have no way of ending a section without making a new title (like after Tart is burned at the stake, the main Tart stuff technically ends and we only have information from other media) I think we can split into 14th and 15th century, and remove the Tart header entirely.
:: As for listing the stories, I think the tables I've put on some sections are a good solution. The ones that say "This period covers the following stories:". I think they're a good way to let readers know what is being spoiled, and also somewhat the order of the stories. Unless you mean using a different format/template for it.~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:01, 21 September 2026 (UTC)
::: ??? What do you mean, "cluttering it with that many sections"? I only proposed 3 sections, though it would be bumped to 4 by adding an extra one for post-Tart stuff that's not Tart-related. How is that cluttered?
::: As for listing the stories, those tables you mentioned were what I was complaining about. Don't get the wrong idea though – they're a good idea in general, I just don't like the presentation. Firstly I'd prefer it to be a float box on the righthand side, and secondly I'd prefer it not to be hidden behind spoilers. The second point is an issue though, as in some cases the list is ridiculously long, so maybe we could compromise and leave the most important ones out of spoilers and put the rest in spoilers, something like "This period covers the following stories: Tart Magica chapter 1-6; Tart Magica chapty 9-10; [spoiler=And several more]remaining list". (Pretend the semicolons are line breaks.) ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:48, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Wait, there's no post-Tart stuff that's not Tart-related, though. There's Tart epilogue stuff but nothing after that. So no bump to 4 would be implied by what I said earlier. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:52, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: Oh that's true there's just Tart stuff from 14th century onwards. My bad.
:::: However, I must press on towards not having headers named things like Tart Prologue, Tart Main and Tart Epilogue. In Original/Prologue, the only reason Kazumi, Scene 0 and Suzune have named sections is 1. Because it's unclear when they specifically take place in relation to other stuff, and 2. Because they're understood to be taking place alongside the other stuff going on elsewhere. Original/Historical is 95% Tart throughout the years and centuries. From a timeline perspective, I see no reason to clarify what is prologue and epilogue in it since its meant to just keep track of the chronological order, even if events aren't directly associated with each other.
:::: As for the asset/template with the stories. Its point for existing is mainly for Magia Record. Take for example Arc 2: after its ending (and even between its different parts) there's many events where the seasons change and stuff like that, but nothing significant to a timeline happens, so I thought having that list would allow readers to know what happens during these passages of time, or how long they are. I'm going to remove a lot of those stories from the articles so having a list for them felt necessary. I can't think of a better way to tackle all these things differently.
:::: I'll try to make a template like you described it that's possible though. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:05, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: Actually, if you have an idea how to signify "this story takes place here but it's irrelevant to the timeline" please let me know. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 20:10, 22 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: Just making sure, but are we talking about the same thing? I was complaining about the spoilerbox that contains a list of stories at the top of the section. It kind of gets in the way; I'd prefer if it were taken out of the main flow and shoved to the right. I don't understand what that has to do with Magia Record, so I wonder if you're talking about something different.
::::: As for Tart Magica, it's just huge, so I'd prefer it to be broken up a bit more, one way or another. You could likely cut down on the actual content a bit more as well. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:27, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Regarding Tart, I'd rather it be cut down more than have headers like Tart Prologue. I still think it would be jarring to have that kind of title in a chronology article, especially since it's all just Null Magica, then Tart Prologue, then just Tart, then Tart epilogue. So I'll get to cut it down more instead.
:::::: Regarding the list: Yeah, the spoilerbox was made so that even if a story isn't mentioned or referenced, the reader would know where it would be placed. It's the best solution I could think of to have both exact spoilers, and a list of events in order. Is the thing below good (feel free to change it btw):

{| style="float:right; clear:right; width:22em; margin:0 0 1em 1em; border:1px solid #a2a9b1; background:#f8f9fa; font-size:90%; line-height:1.5;"
|-
| style="padding:0.5em 0.8em;" |
''This period covers the following stories:''
* ''Part of [[Null Magical Girl Climax: Which is the Path to the Inner Universe?]]''
* ''[[Tart Magica]] chapters 1–6''
* ''[[Tart Magica]] chapters 9–10''

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%; border:none; background:transparent; margin:0;"
! style="text-align:left; font-weight:normal; font-style:italic; padding:0; border:none; background:transparent;" | ...and several more
|-
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* ''[[Tart Magica]] chapter 12''
* ''[[Tart Magica]] chapter 14''
* ''[[Tart Magica]] chapter 16''
|}
|}

~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:10, 23 September 2026 (UTC)
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::::::: That box looks good to me. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:03, 25 September 2026 (UTC)

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{{Nihongo|'''Kana Asumi'''|阿澄佳奈|Asumi Kana}} born August 12th, 1983 is the voice actor for [[Nagisa Momoe]].

==Trivia==
*She also voices Yuno in ''Hidamari Sketch'', another one of [[Ume Aoki]]'s works.

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Talk:Timeline/Original/Historical

2026-09-22T18:52:22Z

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Talk:Timeline/Original/Historical

2026-09-22T18:48:48Z

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Talk:Magic

2026-09-21T02:36:19Z

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Talk:Timeline/Original/Historical

2026-09-20T20:50:07Z

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Talk:Magic

2026-09-20T20:36:36Z

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Talk:Connect

2026-09-20T20:15:28Z

Celtic Minstrel:

Are we sure Connects were introduced in Rebellion? I thought it was a non-Connect connection, and that actual Connects were caused by Coordinators coordinating...? Was that just a popular theory or a real thing [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:16, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
:In Anireco Episode 20 its pretty much confirmed. Madoka asks what Connects are, but later Kyoko says "Connecting means combining our powers like how Mami syncs her magic with us?", implying Mami connects with them, just doesn't use the proper name (maybe she doesn't know it). This does kinda throw the whole -power Magical Girls didnt know they had before Coordination- thing into the trash, but maybe because Mami is a veteran she got it without a Coordination. Oh yeah and in episode 21 Sayaka says Tiro Duet as she connects with Mami. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:22, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Could be that this is non-connect syncing and that it's mildly different... Maybe. Dunno [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:38, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
::: <blockquote>This does kinda throw the whole -power Magical Girls didnt know they had before Coordination- thing into the trash</blockquote>
::: Not really? To me it just implies that Connect is something any magical girl can do, in theory, but Coordination just makes it much easier to learn. Mami is a veteran, and one who puts a lot of work into analyzing her magic at that, so it seems reasonable for her to work it out on her own from experience. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:14, 20 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Connect

2026-09-20T20:15:08Z

Celtic Minstrel:

Are we sure Connects were introduced in Rebellion? I thought it was a non-Connect connection, and that actual Connects were caused by Coordinators coordinating...? Was that just a popular theory or a real thing [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:16, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
:In Anireco Episode 20 its pretty much confirmed. Madoka asks what Connects are, but later Kyoko says "Connecting means combining our powers like how Mami syncs her magic with us?", implying Mami connects with them, just doesn't use the proper name (maybe she doesn't know it). This does kinda throw the whole -power Magical Girls didnt know they had before Coordination- thing into the trash, but maybe because Mami is a veteran she got it without a Coordination. Oh yeah and in episode 21 Sayaka says Tiro Duet as she connects with Mami. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:22, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Could be that this is non-connect syncing and that it's mildly different... Maybe. Dunno [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:38, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
::: <blockquote>This does kinda throw the whole -power Magical Girls didnt know they had before Coordination- thing into the trash</blockquote>
::: Not really? To me it just implies that Connect is something anyone can do, in theory, but Coordination just makes it much easier to learn. Mami is a veteran, and one who puts a lot of work into analyzing her magic at that, so it seems reasonable for her to work it out on her own from experience. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:14, 20 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Connect

2026-09-20T20:14:53Z

Celtic Minstrel:

Are we sure Connects were introduced in Rebellion? I thought it was a non-Connect connection, and that actual Connects were caused by Coordinators coordinating...? Was that just a popular theory or a real thing [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:16, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
:In Anireco Episode 20 its pretty much confirmed. Madoka asks what Connects are, but later Kyoko says "Connecting means combining our powers like how Mami syncs her magic with us?", implying Mami connects with them, just doesn't use the proper name (maybe she doesn't know it). This does kinda throw the whole -power Magical Girls didnt know they had before Coordination- thing into the trash, but maybe because Mami is a veteran she got it without a Coordination. Oh yeah and in episode 21 Sayaka says Tiro Duet as she connects with Mami. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:22, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Could be that this is non-connect syncing and that it's mildly different... Maybe. Dunno [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:38, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
::: > This does kinda throw the whole -power Magical Girls didnt know they had before Coordination- thing into the trash
::: Not really? To me it just implies that Connect is something anyone can do, in theory, but Coordination just makes it much easier to learn. Mami is a veteran, and one who puts a lot of work into analyzing her magic at that, so it seems reasonable for her to work it out on her own from experience. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:14, 20 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Eruna Kiriha

2026-09-20T20:08:21Z

Celtic Minstrel:

<blockquote>*In volume three, Eruna states that ''we'' are so glad that Kosane can join ''us''. It's unknown why she talks in the third person.</blockquote>

Can't find this line in Nymphatix' TL. So where's that from? Closest I can find is
<blockquote>
“You’re back! You’re back, big sister! You returned to us!” Saying this, Eruna transforms. <br>
―還ってきたんだね。おねえちゃん。わたしたちのもとに。そう言って、えるなは変身した。
</blockquote>
-[[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:52, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
:It does sound like those two lines could be the exact same line with different translations, which would suggest that "talking in the third person" was an error in translation. Probably best to hear from whoever posted that note though… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 20:08, 20 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Marguerite

2026-09-17T05:40:55Z

Celtic Minstrel: /* Magia Record */

{{ReleaseSpoiler}}

==Eng Name==
We have confirmation on the English spelling of her name? Margaret/Marguarite/Marguaritte? Also sorry for beiing uneducated, but where are y'all getting this information ;-; ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 16:57, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
: Some of the editors live in regions that already released Rising, that is Japan and Taiwan. Taiwan apparently has an English release, too. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:02, 11 September 2026 (UTC)

: I'm not really sure what's the correct spelling for her name (I watched without subs in Japan). If we were to follow [[Community:Madoka Magica and Faust|Faust]], her name would probably be "Margarete", which would fits well with the other [[Kriemhild Gretchen|Gretchen]] (which came from Little Grete as in Margarete), but I don't know. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 17:03, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
:: It was pointed out on social media that the specific broken sword she uses matches up with Valentin's in the Faust Operatic.... which specifically uses the spelling "Marguerite" per Wikipedia. It was an adaption of "Carré's play Faust et Marguerite". [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 00:00, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
::: I saw that too, shall we change the title to Marguerite (single t) for now? Or shall we wait for someone to watch EN sub with Taiwan release? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:47, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
::::I vaguely remember it being Marguerite in the English subtitles of the Taiwanese release, but I was mainly following the Chinese subtitles, so I didn’t pay much attention to the spelling. I’ll probably have to check again when I watch it a second time, or see if anyone else remembers it more clearly.--[[User:Hilbert88|Hilbert88]] ([[User talk:Hilbert88|talk]]) 18:54, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::I've renamed the page to Marguerite for now as it seems like everyone is using this one. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:20, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

==Magia Record==
Maybe I misunderstood something, and it will get explained by the canon later, but if Marguerite/Walpurgis was the first Witch, how did the Symbols Witch exist? Or Ebony, or even Toyo's situations. Marguerite was clearly a nun so it has to be after christianity became a thing in Europe. Is it insinuating that Symbols wasn't a Witch at all, or do we just wait for another explanation. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 14:57, 14 September 2026 (UTC)

This is kind of an addition to that, but can someone who has watched the movie/read the pamphlet tell me if Marguerite's wish/birth of Walpurgis rewrote the universe, or whether Witches started existing only after that point in time. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 14:12, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
:QB mentions something among the line of (very WR spoilers heavy; quote from my memory): {{Spoiler|{{Nihongo|もっとも彼女より後に生まれた魔法少女でなければ、その恩恵は受けられないようだ||"But it looks like unless a Magical Girl is born after her, they won't be able to reap the benefit"}} so it's the latter based on this wording.}}
:For few prehistoric Magical Girls, right now I like the theory that {{Spoiler|it wasn't the Witch that were called "Monster of Myth", etc. in BCE, but the Demon/魔物; and even though Madoka wished to "erases all the Witches before they were born", the "before they were born" part trigger some cause and effect shenanigans that make it apply to Demon/Mamono as well (since witches wouldn't have existed without Demon/魔物) (and thus Cleopatra/Himiko)}}. (Or it's just that the Magical Girls convent {{Spoiler|predates the Christian one; and the latter copies the former}}, etc.) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 17:01, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
:: It's possibe that Madokami {{Spoiler|only saved girls after Marguerite's wish in the law of cycles universe too, and Marguerite's wish this time caused Wraiths to start appearing. It's also possible some time travel shenanigans happened in that universe specifically since Ebony confirms Witches' existence by name. Or that universe is an anomaly... the good ole reliable. It willl keep not making sense until they feel like explaining it.}} ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 19:22, 16 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Don't forget the possibility that W:R just doesn't treat Magia Record as canon (unless there's very clear evidence to the contrary that I'm unaware of; trying to avoid any ''major'' spoilers right now). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:40, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

==Translations of non-English non-PMMM works==
{{Spoiler|The trivia section contains a fragment of a translation of Faust (originally a German work), but there are multiple TLs available. What should be our wiki's policy on that? The TL used seems to match this one: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Faust_(Goethe)/Scene_4 , but WikiSource also has this more archaic one: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Works_of_J._W._von_Goethe/Volume_7/Faust,_Part_I/Act_II,_Scene_I }}
<blockquote>
{{Spoiler|My hand upon it! There!<br>
If to the passing moment e'er I say,<br>
"Oh, linger yet, thou art so fair!"<br>
Then cast me into chains you may,<br>
Then will I die without a care!<br>
Then may the death-bell sound its call,<br>
Then art thou from thy service free,<br>
The clock may stand, the index fall,<br>
And time and tide may cease for me!<br>}}
</blockquote>

[[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 18:02, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

2026-09-13T04:39:50Z

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*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1]] (January 18, 2011–February 27, 2011)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2]] (February 28, 2011-April 25, 2011)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3]] (April 25, 2011-March 14, 2012)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4]] (March 15, 2012-April 27, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5]] (April 27, 2017–September 19, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6]] (September 20, 2017–September 16, 2023)
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== Main Page cleanup ==

I've taken the liberty to clean up the Main Page styling a little. It's using the same layout as before, but with more consistent spacing/etc. so it looks a lot less cluttered. It's also now and a lot less broken when viewing on a mobile phone. Adding/removing columns should now be a lot less insane. I'm unsure what to do with the News/Wishlist links, though, since they haven't been updated for quite a long time. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

: The News page could probably be updated by trawling the Main Page edit history, and maybe adding other bits if you can think of them. With some work it could even be arranged so that it's the ''source'' of the news on the main page (wrapping the lines that should be on the main page in <nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki> tags). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

:: Good idea. I'll find some time to do it. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

:: I did this, seems to work great. Now to populate 2015 to 2021... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

::: That's slightly different from my thought, but it's probably easier to work with this way anyway. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

== Main visual ==

Would it be worthwhile to add the Scene0 main visual to the main page, too? I think a tabber would work for the desktop view, and on mobile there should be enough space to add it below Rising's. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
: I've made some adjustments, what do you think? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:: I'm not sure… I've been so used to seeing the name beside the key visual and now it's moved below it… I can't find any real complaints though… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
::: OK, let's try again. What about this one? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:::: Oooh, I like it! Thanks [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

==Not sure where to put this==

So... I'm not sure why I'm not an autoconfirmed user, but I don't know where to put this question? -- [[User talk:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]]
:I think you may need to wait few more hours. Autoconfirm is set to 3 edits and 7 days from the date of registration. From what I see, you should get autoconfirmed today (Nov 7) at 20:18:23 (UTC) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you! I didn't realize it was so exact. :) [[User:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]] ([[User talk:ReiAyanami|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Sorry for this, we used to have a lot of spam back in the day (who made a few edits to get autoconfirmed then proceeded on creating an SEO spam page). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 21:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

== Future of Fanworks ==

'''(This was originally on my talk page but I have moved it here as it concerns the whole wiki.)''' While not an official Wiki, this is a Wiki for official content. Outside of personal OC's on the user's pages, is there a reason to include fanworks on the wiki? Fan roleplays have long since died, and many games are likely dead due to flash player shutting down. Is there a reason to have them? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 17:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
:I think it's best to keep what we have now as an archive rather than remove it since they were a part of the fanbase during the early days. We keep [[Poorfag]]'s page up for a reason since it was a meme thing and it doesn't interfere with official pages much like OCs on our user pages. As long as they're kept separate from the official stuff, I think it's ok. I believe you can still play the games even though flash player shut down, I remember there being a big project to archive and make old flash games playable when the shut down was initially announced. -[[User:The Witch's House|The Witch's House]] ([[User talk:The Witch's House|talk]]) 02:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
::I'm also very much agree with this. For a more early meme and such we could make a banner that this was part of the community in the early days and are no longer updated. For ongoing content such as [[Fanworks]] I think the list of games/media/crossover are still worth keeping (and possibly updating). --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

== GunsGirlZ Crossover ==

So I have been just looking around the wiki, and I stumbled across the crossover page! I read it, expecting it to have the GGZ collab in it... but it wasn't there? I was wondering if it just hadn't been added yet, or if theres a reason that it hasn't been! The GGZ collab is probably my favorite PMMM collab, with the battle cats coming in second :P

[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]]) 17:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)♥
:Honestly it just hasnt been updated. you're more than welcome to add the info if you'd like (I dont play it unfortunately but it looked cute!)[[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 21:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

::I can't see anything about the crossover on the page you linked to. You should link not to the other wiki's main page but to a page actually talking about the crossover. Otherwise there's no point in adding the link at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that. The link broke... Sadly since the computer I use is limited by my school I can't fix the link,, I'm sorry haha
[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]])♥

:Looks like someone else fixed it for you, so it's okay. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

== Tweets ==

I think maybe we should work out a consistent policy on tweets. There are currently 711 tweets and 2 twitter profile icons linked from across the wiki (see list <span class=plainlinks>[{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://mobile.twitter.com}}&namespace= here] and [{{fullurl:Special:LinkSearch|target=https://*.twimg.com}}&namespace= here]</span>), and they're often used as references, or even image links. The trouble with this is that tweets are inherently transitory. A link to a tweet is liable to go dead at any time, and indeed at least one of the tweeters commonly linked to (GAN) has a habit of deleting old tweets. Twitter icons are even worse for linking to – they're ''guaranteed'' to go dead after an unknown amount of time. We should just ''not'' link to them ever. Uploading one as a reference is fine if it seems useful, though.

If tweets are to be used as references, I think it would be better to archive them (perhaps on the [[Tweets]] page or a similar page), and all other places then link to there instead. Of course, that can still link back to the original tweet (if it still exists). For tweets that include unique images, especially when the image is used as a source for example to determine a character's hair or eye colour, that image should be uploaded to the wiki so it's not lost. I think there are already some that have been lost, and I hope it may be possible to find them somehow.

(I do think including all images that core people tweet related to the franchise is a little excessive though. GAN in particular tends to tweet inapproprate out-of-character fanart which in my opinion often doesn't add much if anything of value to the relevant wiki pages. See [[Talk:GAN#"Official Fanart" Pruning|separate discussion]] on this.)

For tweets that include non-unique images, it's probably good enough to add a brief note that there were images and, in some cases, maybe link to similar images that already exist on the wiki.

~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

: I agree with this, especially now that you cannot view replies/some tweets with images without logging in. As for archiving, though, I'm not sure if we should archive them on a separate page, or do it as ref (similar to [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Scene 0#References]]). The initial intention of the [[Tweets]] page was for Tweets that are primary content (Urobuchi/Miyamoto's off-hand remarks about things). I think episodic content on that page should probably be moved into each episodes, but for reference I feel like <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> may be a better option. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
:: For purely text tweets, or tweets that just threw in a random image, yeah, I think they could probably be squeezed into a reference. Would definitely make sense to have a template for that still. For tweets that are primarily an image maybe with a comment, if the image is deemed relevant I think it should be uploaded (which is what's been done for ''most'' of GAN's images). The tweet's text could be put in the image's caption, or added as a reference from the image's caption. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 00:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

== Captcha ==
The wiki has its own captcha system that asks questions about MadoMagi, used for instance when you're trying to add an external link. One of those questions is about the latest social game. It'll probably need to be updated soon, given MagiReco is about to end its service and MagiEx will soon release [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 06:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
: I've replaced all Magia Record-related questions with the Walpurgisnacht movie instead. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:: The movie isn't "upcoming" anymore, so one of the questions is inaccurate now [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 07:43, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Fixed. Thanks for this. I got a lot of fun CAPTCHAs out of WR, hope to put them up there one day (not soon) :P -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:53, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

== Sidebar ==

How do we edit the sidebar? I'm asking because I think we should add Madoka Magica Plus and Magia Exedra to the "Games" section. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 11:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
:It can be edited at [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 11:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 12:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

== Games ==

The section is already cluttered as it is, but I feel like I should ask about the possible inclusion of the slot/arcade games. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 03:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
: Perhaps we can break down the section further, e.g.
:; Titles
::; Mainline
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica (Manga, LN, Compilation)
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Rebellion (Manga)
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Walpurgis no Kaiten
::; Side Story
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Homura's Revenge!
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Different Story
:::* Puella Magi Homura Tamura
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Wraith Arc
:::* Puella Magi Kazumi Magica
:::* Puella Magi Oriko Magica (Extra Story, Sadness Prayer)
:::* Puella Magi Suzune Magica
:::* Puella Magi Tart Magica
:::* Null Magical Girl
::; Compilation
:::* Manga Time Kirara Magica
:;Games
::; PC/Smartphone
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Magia Exedra
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story: Magia Record (Manga, Anime)
::; Mobile
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobage
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Plus
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobcast
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Online
::; Console
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram
:::* Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable
:Not sure what's the best categorization we can do here, but I think this should allow more items in the section without looking too overwhelming. Thoughts? --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::I just realized you meant the sidebar (oops). I guess we could likely do the same, breaking the Games section into PC/Smartphone, Mobile, Console, and Arcade? --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I like that idea. Maybe we can keep the "Official Games" section, and add an "Arcade" section under it (are subsections possible in this format? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
It definitely needs something, and alphabetical or by release year would be nice because as it is it's hard to find which one you're looking for with so many. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 00:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
:I'm currently trying to have it sorted by release order, but there may be some errors in it. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
: I think the plan to have every game be in the sidebar is incredibly misguided. I'd prefer to have only the most prominent ones listed, and then maybe an "Other" link at the bottom. Perhaps multiple "Other" links if there are strong categories. Right now it is just terribly cluttered up with what seem to me like minor games. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
::I see your point. Maybe we can discuss what we think is a necessary game to include? For now, I think we can cut out Madoka iP, Madoka Flash, Madoka Puzzle of Memory and Madoka Magical Coin. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 14:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
:: Side note: This probably should've been discussed on [[Mediawiki talk:Sidebar]] instead? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

==Wiki logo==
The wiki used to have a fancier header logo, as seen https://web.archive.org/web/20170703125702/http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Poorfag https://web.archive.org/web/20170706032551im_/https://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/header.jpg here. What happened? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

: This used to be a skin of the old Vector theme called "Magica". It was done as a skin rather than Common.css for a few reasons, one to avoid breakage when user opt for other themes (Monobook theme was still used by some people back when we used to hang out in #madoka @ Rizon), and another was due to that we needed to modify some gradient background PNG to have a proper transparent (very subtle: [https://web.archive.org/web/20170706021652im_/https://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/tab-current-fade.png magica's tab-current-fade.png] vs [https://web.archive.org/web/20120410121109im_/http://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/vector/images/tab-current-fade.png vector's tab-current-fade.png]).
: Sadly, this broke during an upgrade to MediaWiki 1.39 in 2018 due to the Vector theme subsystem changes, and I no longer have the original Pixelmator file that I used to create the original one, so it never gets ported. (Vector is also quite a moving target which no backward compatibility guarantee, so we probably shouldn't be basing a skin on it.) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

:: While we're on this topic of a fancy skin, [[mw:Skin:Citizen]] is also pretty nice and would help with the "sidebar becoming too long" issue we're having (by turning it into a menu instead). Not sure how much we can customize it, though. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

::: I've now enabled Citizen skin, which can be turned on via [[Special:Preferences]], but as nothing in the Wiki has color preference awareness (dark/light), it's pretty broken in dark mode. --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:::: I've started collecting pages and templates that are especially egregious on Citizen and Vector 2022 dark modes. Those are [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and [[:Category:Templates with no dark theme awareness]]. Some of those are easy fixes that surmount to "remove #fff from template", but pages like [[Witch Runes]], [[Template:Magia Exedra Battle Icon]] or [[Template:Magia Exedra Role Icon]] depend on images in specific color (the first in black, the second in white but inverted with css). I don't know how to make CSS that takes note of whether a theme is a Light Mode or a Dark Mode one (so that I can implement appropriate color inverts). Additionally, many pages like [[Isabeau]] use non-template spoiler boxes that start with "Warning, this section contains spoilers.". Can we nuke that non-Template template? It's a wiki, of course it'll contain spoilers. What's considered a spoiler changes over the years anyway, glasses Homura was a huge spoiler when episode 10(?) dropped, but she was a release unit in Magia Record, for instance. It's utterly pointless trying to determine what is and isn't a spoiler. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

::::: Oh, also, is there any way to change Citizen's code? It consistently ignores my width:100% table parameters, and !header cells are off-center, too. Breaks [[Template:Magia_Record_Memoria_Row]] and my [[Template:Magia_Exedra_Stats]]. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

==Usefulness of Template:Pixiv tag and Template:Booru tag==
I noticed we have [[Template:Pixiv tag]] and [[Template:Booru tag]]. The thing is, they haven't really been used on modern articles much, see [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Booru_tag]] and [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Pixiv_tag]]: no Magia Record girls have those on their pages, for one. Additionally, Pixiv is exclusively for fanart, and while Dan/Gelbooru both host official art, they're predominantly fanart repost sites. And, well, they also have a large percentage of NSFW content, which is not suitable for the wiki. Should all characters have those added if possible, or is nuking those better? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 18:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
: Seems like [[User:Amaterasu]] went ahead and removed the tag from some pages? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, I did. It is my view that a wiki like this, in which wording if formal and information is aimed to be official, NSFW and fanworks content should not be linked to unless there is a specific page for fanworks and NSFW content. [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 16:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
:It's difficult to type out those tags when searching pixiv (at least for those of us who aren't very familiar with Japanese), so I think it would be convenient to keep them around. I don't know if this also holds for dan/gel booru. But I can also see the desire to not link to unofficial content. I suppose this places me on the fence on this. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

==Broken files?==
I was uploading the Exedra backgrounds with [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/Scripts#Main_Bot_Scripts PyWikiBot]. However, it appears some files ended up broken, namely:
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90170_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90173_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90176_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90178_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90179_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90195_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90205_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90237_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90263_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90268_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90274_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90274_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90289_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90289_04.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90289_05.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90297_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90298_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90299_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90305_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90307_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90311_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90311_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90313_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90316_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90317_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90326_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90328_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90328_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90329_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90331_03.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90333_01.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90336_02.png]]
* [[:File:Bg_adv_99_90338_01.png]]
They appear like they have a redlink instead of an image in https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Exedra_Backgrounds&filefrom=Bg+adv+99+90338+01.png#mw-category-media , and it says there that the file is missing. However, trying to upload it again gives me two warnings:
* A file with this name exists already, please check File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png if you are not sure if you want to overwrite it.
* The upload is an exact duplicate of the current version of File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png.
What can be done about it? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 05:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
: Sorry about this. You probably have to reupload. We ran out of disk space over the past few hours. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:12, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

==DPL==
Hey, could we get [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList DynamicPageList] extension on this wiki? I think it'd make stuff like story appearances for game characters easier, like [[Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra#Appearances]] would ideally be equal to [[:Category:Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra_Story]], so there's IMO no point in maintaining those lists manually. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
: Done. I haven't changed any configuration options from the default. Let me know if you want me to change one of those. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 08:08, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
:: Thanks! But now that I did more research, it seeeeeeems I requested the wrong version and I should have asked for [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList3 DPL3] instead... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 19:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
::: OK, I've replaced DPL with DPL3. (Also, it looks like mailer is broken again, if I don't respond in a day, feel free to ping via email...) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:24, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:::: I've looked over the DPL3 manual (both the official one and the Genshin Impact one that EPF linked) and it is absolutely insane. The way things are done makes no sense whatsoever. I can work with it if it's the only tool available, though… but I kind of wonder if there's an alternative? (For example, writing a module to do the specific thing desired.) It would be nice if I could just write out a template that the page names get substituted into, rather than all sorts of magic separators and non-unicode escape characters. It claims that it "leaves output control completely to the user", but that's not really true – it gives a lot of control, but still forces you into a basic template, and sometimes makes absolutely insane decisions. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
::::: What kind of template are you trying to make with it? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:53, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::: I was fiddling with the Exedra Character Appearances template and thought maybe I could merge the 3 DPL invocations into one, but that causes a ridiculous explosion of unrelated categories in the listing. I can't imagine why anyone would ever want that result. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
:::::: And now I have no idea why it's inserting redlinks to a non-existent template into the portrait lists… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

== Update the Main Page ==

So the Exedra info on the main page is outdated for a month and I think we should update it constantly
But I don't think I have the permission so it has to be you the admins- [[User:RaviaVee|RaviaVee]] ([[User talk:RaviaVee|talk]]) 16:31, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
:I've been working on keeping the news section updated. You ''should'' be able to edit it; it's just the [[News]] page and I don't see any protections on it. ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 21:34, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

== New "notice" section ==

Hi all!

I wanted to let you know that I've repurposed the warning we were using when we were updating the Witch cards. It should appear as this in the source:
<blockquote><nowiki>

</nowiki></blockquote>
I encourage you to use it when we do a wiki overhaul of some kind, like we did with the Witch cards. It may not happen often, but it's still useful to have. All you need to do is remove the <nowiki>"</nowiki>" in order to get it to show up.

Have a good day! ~ [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 22:39, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

==Tabbers==

Could we get [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TabberNeue the TabberNeue] extension? Our tabbers are kind of messy, I like their clean look [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 04:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
:What exactly is so messy about them? Other than the problem of the page jumping when you click one. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:43, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
:: Fixed height, and I'm not a fan of their color scheme. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:35, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
: I've added this. Sorry that I didn't notice this until now (wiki mailer is broken again, sigh...) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AdvancedSearch May I ask for this extension as well? Note it has some dependencies... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:22, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

==Link captcha==
Would it be possible to add some sites to the captcha's blacklist? Specifically official sites, other wikis, and if even more specialization than domains would be possible, then maybe also official Twitter accounts and such. It's kinda annoying... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 18:12, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
:Or if it's easier, add some custom interwiki prefixes. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
:: It would be nice if the songs in [[Template:Magia_Exedra_Story_Transcript/Music]] were also exempt... [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 11:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
::: Actually, I have no idea how that wiki does that, but: https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Full-Stop_Office_(reception)#Trivia https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Scarecrow_Searching_for_Wisdom#Trivia it'd be nice if we had icons for other wikis like this wiki does. I have no idea if it's something that all wikis on wiki.gg have, or some more generalized extension, but still. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:29, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
:::: This template https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:Character_icon, perhaps? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:Hm, what kind of CAPTCHA did you see? The Madoka question one? I thought I had exempted autoconfirmed users from all kinds of CAPTCHA, I wonder if some built-in extension added a new permission that I need to disable… -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Yeah, the Madoka question one. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 07:45, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

==Subtitled videos==
Apparently, the Exedra in-game videos come with subtitle files. Do we have anything that would happen to support that...? Videos in themselves are directly .m3u8, but the Exedra wiki's resource source stores them as .webm with separate .vtt files, separate ones for English and Japanese. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 14:27, 3 November 2025 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure HTML supports combining a video and subtitles in separate files, but I don't know if MediaWiki does… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:34, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

== Display Title ==

<code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> works only when trying to make the page have different capitalizations of letters in the title, but doesn't work when a different title is put in, which would be very helpful for long page titles like the Exedra Kioku pages, so instead of '''Mami Tomoe in Magia Exedra/Tiro Finale Liberation''' it would be just '''Tiro Finale Liberation'''. I don't fully understand how it works but I mainly understood everything from this page [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRestrictDisplayTitle], and its just about a rule that needs to be turned off so different titles work, instead of just throwing them into [[:Category:Pages with ignored display titles]]. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 22:12, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
: If this worked you could use a substring to show every word from the end until it finds a "/" in the name, automatizing the process. I still don't know why there is a setting to use <code><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki></code> only to get a different format but same title (<code>$wgAllowDisplayTitle</code>) and then another to use custom titles (the one you mentioned, <code>$wgRestrictDisplayTitle</code>), but there is no use complaining about it. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 22:36, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
:: The whole idea of making the display title different seems suspect to begin with… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:15, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

::: Some article names are only "like this" because the concept is ambiguous, like [[Shaft (Witch)]] (since studio Shaft also exists). It's also for capitalizing a title differently, it's in [[lighthouse]] and [[fledge]], since the songs' official EN titles are lowercase. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 08:27, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::For capitalizing differently I suppose it could make sense, though personally I'd prefer to just ignore the "official" capitalization and just do "proper" capitalization everywhere. But I seem to be in the minority on that. Still, making the display title different in other cases still seems suspect. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 16:01, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

::::: What is the benefit of having Shaft (Witch) appear on top instead of just Shaft? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:51, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::: I also don't know what's "suspicious" about changing the display name. If someone uses it to troll changing the display name to bullshit, you can just undo the edits. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 19:30, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
::::: What is the benefit of having "Shaft" appear on top when the true title is "Shaft (Witch)"? ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 05:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
==How to mark edits as bot?==
Yo, so, I've been using PyWikiBot to speed up some stuff, and I gotta ask - how do I mark my edits as botted? I got a token, and named it bot, but my edits under that still don't count. Unless I'd have to make a whole new account for that? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 17:20, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
:Looks like there's a permission requirement to be able to mark your edits as a bot edit? See [[mw:Manual:Bots|Manual:Bots]]. Also, I think your request is more likely to be seen on [[User talk:0x99]]. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:32, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

==Latin rune font==
Hi so I made a font for the Latin runes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dV38PtXzo8P8Cfb_Ko0g_kismHP4JQfC/view?usp=sharing
Can it be added so I can add it to [[Template:Runes]]?
:Done and thanks! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 03:51, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Oh lord. I accidentally used G for the P glyph. Here's an updated version that *hopefully* has no errors this time: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NH-wxA-7H10knttc77M-agqparkqIbUX/view?usp=sharing [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 09:38, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: Actually, the old runes.tff font with Modern and Archaic variants has some errors, like the old assumption of Modern P and mirrored 8 ([[Talk:Witch_Runes#Modern_"p"]]), plus it doesn't have the new caret, minus, and cyrillic stuff. But the problem is, it has the unidentified rune in the place of ^: [[:File:Archaic_unidentified.svg]]. Is it fine to substitute the ^? [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 10:05, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
::: I doubt there are many places that use the unidentified rune? So I'd say it's probably fine to move it to some other code point and substitute the actual ^ into its proper place. Then if there are places that intentionally used the unidentified rune, you can update them to use the new code point for it. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:12, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
:: I've updated the font. Thanks again! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:07, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

=="AI" Policy==

Does this wiki have an Anti-AI policy yet? It seems, though I have little to substantiate it, that some of the more recent edits by newer users contain emdashes where I doubt a person would put them. Is that something we *want*? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 18:35, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
: If we don't we 100% need them, this is an open wiki where you can sign up and immiedietaly start changing things. I'm FULLY against AI, it has no place in a wiki where it can easily get stuff wrong, and it wont even try to make it obvious when it doesnt know stuff (it will just make stuff up). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:59, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
:: Agreed. We don't want AI-written summaries on this wiki. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:21, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
: I agree that we should. Personally, I don't want any AI-edited content on the wiki. However, I think using it to help with template/CSS/module syntax is acceptable as long as you can fully understand what the code does (don't put a vibe-coded template/CSS/module on the wiki), but I'm willing to set the baseline to what the community wants. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:12, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

== Guys, we need Vector 2022 for unregistered users. ==

It's a skin or appearance. We don't need Vector 2010. [[User:Belankt294842|Belankt294842]] ([[User talk:Belankt294842|talk]]) 00:52, 26 August 2026 (UTC)
:I think Citizen might be a better choice if we were to switch, as it natively supports dark mode and has a responsive layout by default. I'm not sure how many active editors are using Vector 2022, but there are a few of us who use Citizen, so it gets more layout fixes than other skins. Dark mode support is almost there, and the responsive layout is kind of working except for a few pages ([[Characters]] remain the most broken one... but at least it has basic dark theme support now). We have to make sure all major pages (all that are linked from the main page and sidebar) are not broken under the new skin before switching, though. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:26, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::I use Vector 2022, and even though I think its better than 2010 (dark mode), its not mobile friendly like Citizen. The problem is, a LOT of templates are just straight up broken on Citizen, like the Magireco unit templates, Kiokus, Memoria, and every characters page like you mentioned. I think its okay to switch to vector 2022 as the default right now, but not citizen. Maybe we should have categories like [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness|Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and [[:Category:Templates with no dark theme awareness|Templates with no dark theme awareness]] but for citizen/all skins. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:51, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
:::I have been going through some of [[:Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness|Pages with no dark theme awareness]] and fixing them (although slowly), so thank you for flagging them. And yes, I think [[:Category:Pages broken under Citizen]], and [[:Category:Pages broken under Vector 2020]] would be nice to have. Let me see if I can make Vector 2022 the default without affecting current users (or I can just switch and people who prefer 2010 can switch to 2010 in their prefs…). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:04, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: EPF actually mentioned most of this on the [[#Wiki logo]] section (I only now found out), and about that section, would you be up for bringing a logo back? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:57, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: Sadly, I no longer have the original Pixelmator file from that era. If we were to update the logo, something like an outline of a Soul Gem might not be a bad idea. I need to brush up on my Illustrator skills, though. Please suggest if you have other ideas! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:23, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: I'm up for trying to draw it, but I would need specifics, like what color should it be, is there a set resolution I should use (or an aspect ratio). For other ideas I have, I think Homura's time shield would look good but its specific to one character so maybe not. The other idea I have, that I think is actually really good, is the [[:File:197 part e storyboard kiss anthony das ewig wiebliche.jpg|Law of Cycles emblem]] ([[:File:220 storyboard epilog akemi homura akuma homura dark orb das ewig wiebliche.jpg|This image]] shows a more one color design of it which would probably be better to recreate). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 17:07, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: While not for this Wiki, I know the "To The Stars" Wiki uses Madoka's Grief Seed as the emblem of their fictional magical girl union, and for their wiki logo. I'd imagine depending on the skin we set a default we'd want to do 1:1 as the aspect ratio (or at least somewhat close to it; no full wordmarks), have good contrast (so gradients are a no). We can probably do colors but would need to maintain them for both light and dark mode. Could also do something clever with a grief seed in dark mode, a soul gem in light mode? Or would that be too spoilery? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 23:56, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: That said, I did just realize that the runic "modern" font uses a soul gem for "O", and the current wiki name wouldn't allow for the use of it "properly". Hmmm.... I'll upload my current rough drafts [https://i.imgur.com/YU8Z1CP.png here]. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 23:56, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

:::::: I know I'm a little late, but I indeed like to reach an agreement on what the default look should be. I used Vector 2010 because both was the default here and because I'm an old head and I've been using it since forever and before the 2022 version was out. This fact made me do [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Homura_Akemi&diff=prev&oldid=261700 some] [https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Sayaka_Miki&diff=prev&oldid=261699 changes] that made sense for me but either didn't for people using other skins or it meant me using some hacks to make it look good in 2010 but were completely unecessary in others.
:::::: As for Citizen, I didn't remember what it was until I switched and I realized it is that skin that I associate with Fandom and that I don't like at all. So personally I would prefer Vector 2022 over Citizen.

::::::: It's actually [https://starcitizen.tools/ Star Citizen's wiki] theme though I guess they may have been inspired by Fandom. But good point on -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:04, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#Default theme]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

== New logo (2026) ==

About the logo, I would like something that were really different from the actual logo. From the drafts posted by HomuraDidNothingWrong, I would say the one at the right with the runes at least. I don't know anything about design so I can only say if something is good or bad but without proposing something different though... [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:49, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
: The logo all depends on what the default skin is, as Vector 2010 has one big logo, while Vector 2022 displays a smaller one next to text (no idea what it would look like on citizen). So if we do move to Vector 2022, I feel like the text logos you (HomuraDidNothingWrong) made would not really work _ _", a simpler Icon would be better. But out of the ones you made my favorite is either the one with runes, or the one where a grief seed is on top of "Wiki". - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:13, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
:For the logo, probably the best way to do this is to have a logo (symbols) and a text mark ("Puella Magi Wiki") so we can compose it per-theme (the current Puella Magi Wiki text make a really bad logo for Citizen). SVG would be nice, or 500x or x500 in one dimension is OK too! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:04, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Maybe the Law of Cycles symbol but instead of the runes its "Puella Magi Wiki"? The runes take up little space so the symbol would probably have to be changed a bit, it could be based off the [[:File:197 part e storyboard kiss anthony das ewig wiebliche.jpg|image in the top left corner here]] and [[:File:Manga Army sign.png|its manga design]] instead. (Though I'm out of being the artist as my skills are way too flat for that much detail) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:26, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

I think that we shouldn't choose a logo based on "does it look good in theme X". It should look good in every theme, even Monobook (though I'm probably the only one using that). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 18:31, 3 September 2026 (UTC)
: I think the logo is one thing, and the theme is another. I went and tested Citizen and Vector 2022. The latter has a Dark mode setting but it isn't even respected, which is deeply frustrating as the Dark Mode fails the UX contrast requirements (and gives me a headache). What the logo becomes in my mind becomes a question of what the theme will be by default / for everyone. Vector Legacy is my preferred given the above items, but I also know that isn't everyone's choice. All the same, I can see about the LoC Emblem with the Puella Magi Wiki text on it when I get off work today. It'd be vector-based inherently, since I don't like fuzzy pixels. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]])
:: Okay, very laborious edit to get it vectorized. Turns out the wings were asymmetrical, the graphic behind the dharma wheel looks wrong. Here's two versions (light and dark) as an icon (for one theme) and a wordmark-ish one. [[:File:PuellaMagiWiki_LogoSheetDraft_v1_2026_09_04.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 00:15, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::I actually really like it, but apart from the missing details like the little crown on top I think the pink is too pink? In that [[:File:197 part e storyboard kiss anthony das ewig wiebliche.jpg|Rebellion production image]] its WAY more reddish/magenta (I dont care about the galaxy design on it and the background, at most there being too little stripes lol, just the color). Also I think the runes on the bottom designs are both too small, and should be just normal text instead of runes, the runes are cool but not really easy to understand. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:58, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::Same, I really like this! Probably need to tone the pink down a bit (I think the tone should be something around #d70fa1, or #d70f83), and I think the horizontal version works better without a border/background around workmark. But great job overall! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:10, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

Tried to incorporate both 0x99 and Theresa's feedback. I had initially colorpicked from Madoka's hair specifically b/c the Emblem from the Image Note *was* too saturated to use as pure color reference. Tried the request for more spikes on the dharma wheel but it looks incredibly noisy at a distance. Not the biggest fan but I'll concede that point if the consensus is people like it. [[:File:PuellaMagiWiki_Wordmark_Logo_Round2_2026_09_05.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 17:47, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
: It looks even better! I do kinda see your point with the spikes being too much, but I do still think they're better than on the previous draft, maybe its possible to find some balance between both where it doesn't look empty or too full. There are 2 more small details missing, the first is the spike on the bottom, the image note makes it go over the runes, which wouldn't look the best in the 2RA version, but I think it could easily go under the black box. The second is that the circle right before the outer circle is a half-circle, but that's kinda minor and it could be ignored. Also do we need 2 versions for light and dark themes? I know the image is pretty dark so it would clash with the background on dark mode, but I think if a white/some other background is added to the main circle, it wouldn't be that bad? Also that would allow the wings to be purely white instead of the current gray (but they would need some outline probably). This kinda looks like I'm complaining about more than last time ;-; but I promise the current version looks almost ready to use, I just wanna point out everything that can be changed so its as good as it can get. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 18:07, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Okay so I did try out the detailing on the tail and honestly? The way the bottom ray folds into the "M" is actually pretty good? It visually makes it split *and* that acts as graphical foreshadowing for Rebellion! Also tried to make the wings the same color and do a border of the background color? So it looks "invisible". It's... pretty okay in my opinion. I think my ideal as-is keeps the inverted soul gem "tail", drops the wing border and keeps them gray. Not sure what to do about the background though. [[:File:PMWiki_2RB_v2.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 18:36, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Its coming out really good, I do prefer the A (or light mode) versions, and the wings being outlined would look way different there when barely anything there is white, while on dark mode most of it is white so it kinda clashes. The "tail" looks good, again clashes a bit but I think thats just because the example you uploaded is in dark mode, also the tail in the og symbol ends with a dot like the others, though idk if I'd prefer it with or without (its kinda nice how it just ends without it, puts more focus on the text). I'm still more on the side of keeping only the A versions. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:30, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: If we have a dark mode *at all* in any theme we really should support both. That choice is far above my head though. The light mode variant looks pretty good though with or without the dot. My preference is without. The wings in gray look far closer to "normal" than a purer white does. [[:File:PMWiki_2RB_v2_White_Alts.png]] [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 19:42, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: Okay I went into some art program and tried stuff out. I tried to make the wings white and yeah it looked kinda bad... Fine Ill let it go T^T. I also don't like just how light the wings are on the dark version, maybe they should be darkened there? (though I tried and it didnt look that good either _ _" Im stumped). But ignoring dark mode... There are 3 more changes I can think of, two I have an image for. Those 2 are, the color, as I think its kinda too magenta? I know I said magenta but its kinda too purple, and the "tip" of the "tail" being behind the box, this keeps that rebellion symbolism of Madoka being teared apart, but also makes it look nicer imo. The third I didnt draw is there being less lines in the main circle, like we said before, but I think this isnt necessary. ''Ignoring dark mode'' I think that would make the logo ready for the wiki. (Okay my color looks too pink now... Idk this is annoying T-T, I dont wanna upload it again because it will probably not update fast enough so I think better colors than the ones I made on that image are {{Color|#d43472|#d43472}} for the darker and {{Color|#f858a3|#f858a3}} for the lighter) - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 20:15, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: We could always be a little goofy and just make the "Dark Mode" the Dark Orb's Deal emblem with the same style wordmark instead, for Homura, and just make light mode "pink" accented, and dark mode "purple" accented. That said, I'm inclined to advocate for "RB_v2_light", and I swapped to your proposed colors. Will upload the SVG here. [[:File:PMWIki_LOC_Logo_Light_v1.svg]] Any thoughts [[User:0x99]]? [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 20:51, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: That would be really cool but probably harder, with how much [[:File:Rebellion Image Note 218.jpg|curves her emblem has]], also no clear place to put the Puella Magi Wiki text unlike the LoC emblem. We should probably stick to the dark mode ver you made unless you do want to go through more labor lol. Also for when 0x99 gets here, could we also use this as the icon for the website? Like the icons that show up on the page tabs on browsers, right now we have just a basic P. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 23:55, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: Oh the favicon? I don't even see one as-is (Firefox on Windows), but it would be nice to have a favicon, yeah. As to a dark mode version, I'll need to upload it still, but I'm holding off on another round of edits until 0x99 signs off on it before I make another. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 00:53, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::::: Is a favicon still planned? I think 0x99 mentioned it somewhere around here. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:39, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

==== New Logo Revisions & Editions ====

So now that it's in place, it looks *mostly* okay. Subjectively it looks the best as-is in MonoBook, but that isn't what folks are using I suspect. What versions do you need specifically for Vector 2022 and Citizen to make it work best? I assume light and dark modes yes but emblem, wordmark, both? I think the "right" move would be a combined seal wordmark, but I have no idea what admin-side options exist for use and want it to be a consistent(-ish) user experience.

As a small aside, I'd like to understand why Vector (2022) doesn't respect my Light mode / Dark mode setting at all, and forces it to Dark Mode.... I suspect [https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/issues/1272 this] might be related as we do have both Citizen and Vector 2022 but I'm not 100% sure. With the assumption that we'll be using the LoC seal variant for all items, let me know what wordmark or logo variants you need 0x99.

(Making a new section for the sake of my sanity, the conversation got pretty deep last time.)

EDIT: Did two "very wide" versions intended for Vector 2022 for light and dark mode. Uploaded them here. [[:File:PMWiki_LOC_Wordmark_Dark_v1.svg]] [[:File:PMWiki_LOC_Wordmark_Light_v1.svg]][[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 05:58, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:Thanks for this. I think it generally looks good across Citizen, Vector 2010, and Vector 2022 (with both light and dark), but we might want to separate the ("Puella Magi Wiki") wordmark out of the logo (see: [[:mw:Manual:$wgLogos]] for Citizen and Vector. So the variant are:
:*logo (for Vector legacy) combined icon+wordmark (current)
:*icon (emblem only without wordmark)
:*wordmark (text only)
:I can generate favicon from the icon.
:As for theme, I plan to upgrade MediaWiki later this week (so the traffic dries down a bit) before the spoilers lift. Few extensions are stuck on an old version because of MediaWiki version lock . Hopefully Vector 2022 will be fixed when I upgrade. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:09, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:: Okay, will see about making these tomorrow so we have total coverage. Still, wild to see something I made in the corner. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 06:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Amazing job and thank you! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:15, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
: I don't see the bug you mention with Dark and Light mode in Vector 2022, but if it's fixed with an update then good for you.
:And going back to the topic... well shit, I saw the conversation above before and said "I'll respond tomorrow", and today I open the site with the icon... I was going to say that the color still seems too... light? Pink-ish? (specially in Dark Mode) And that maybe we could follow the "Homura ripping Madoka" theme and maybe add some purple/dark purple at the ends (or at least to the bottom center one). I read above that gradients could be a problem though. About the different emblems for light and dark theme, it sounds very good. I understand however that this seems basically making another from scratch. Also, I understand if I'm just saying things and if I'm saying it later after the icon was already changed and that maybe it is too much of a hassle to change it back. There should be no problem with generating a small .ico from it. Also also, for the next time, can we select one or several files and upload the propositions there as new versions? You could get lost switching from files to files and not knowing what version you are even replying to. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#New logo]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

====Background====
Since we're talking about the favicon and logo, I wanna suggest we use these for the background.

Light mode:
* [[:File:Kv petal sp.png]]

Dark mode:
* [[:File:Eff 113801 dot 01.png]] (not really sold on this but if we're keeping the godoka vs akuma theme)
* There's also these but I can't see an elegant way to use them unless they're dimmed out or something: [[:File:Eff 113801 repeat 01.png]], [[:File:Eff 113801 dml ozomashii 01.png]], [[:File:Eff tex darkBG 01 TH.png]].

Header and footer:
* If we're doing a header and footer these can be used on the background of every page. Maybe one of them can be flipped to be used as footer.
* [[:File:Kv lace sp.png]]
* [[:File:Kv lace pc.png]]

I also think having a background color other than white would be a good idea. Like a very soft pastel, kinda like how dark mode doesn't use completely black, but dark grey. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 08:26, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
: I can see the petals, but the dots for the dark mode seem... weird? I would have to see them in action. Same for the headers and footers, although maybe they look better. I'm neutral for the background color changes. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:: I'm not against keeping the petals for dark mode too, but I don't know if they're transparent or just really pale. If we can use a dimmed version, this pattern repeats well: [[:File:Eff 113801 repeat 01.png]]. I'm okay with either or, though I was inspired by how the Magia Exedra wiki has done their styling. ~ [[User:Sweet Beanie|Sweet Beanie]] ([[User talk:Sweet Beanie|talk]]) 09:26, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

:Not sure what would be the best way to do this; Exedra Wiki seems to do this via [[MediaWiki:Common.css]], Stardew Wiki seems to do this as an extension (and lock the entire site to Vector). Maintenance wise, Common.css is probably the best way to go. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 09:48, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I was thinking that adding it in general classes in Common.css would be the way. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 09:51, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to [[Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#Background]] -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

== Signature (timestamp) Lines in ref? ==

Was going back and adding citations, remembered the signature like of five tildes for timestamp. Went "oh it'd be good to add time contexts to citations if it's a website." But for some reason it won't work. Can it be looked into / is this an option we can get potentially? it would allow better tracking of sources online, esp. with tweets and other items. [[User:HomuraDidNothingWrong|HomuraDidNothingWrong]] ([[User talk:HomuraDidNothingWrong|talk]]) 20:21, 12 September 2026 (UTC)
: I just tried this but it seems to work for me, e.g. <code><nowiki>{{Cite/Web|url=https://www.example.com/|timestamp=~~~~~}}</nowiki></code> -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 04:32, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

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{{nihongo|'''Ashita's''' <ref group="note">Referred to as '''Tomorrow Shop''' in the unofficial translations by Magia Union Translations team</ref>|あした屋|ashita-ya}} is a candy shop located in [[Sankyo Ward]], first introduced in [[Magia Record Story Girls in the Hood]]. It was originally ran by an unnamed elderly lady and her now-deceased husband, but after the events of [[Magia Record Main Story Arc 2 Chapter 12: Tying The Eternal Coloring|Magia Record's final chapter]], [[Mikage Yakumo]] established herself as the next owner. Outside of just candy and snacks, the store offers games such as drawing lots. The store is commonly frequented by children, who tend to quit visiting as they grow older.

The owner has a habit of comically exaggerating the change she gives to people shopping there, in honor of her husband.<ref name="magireco-mss-jun">[[Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story]] - [[Jun Kazari]]'s Magical Girl Story, as per translation by [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lGumGtRH3zZTW0je3ZTGMZynp9a7rhwXpVw72ZG5nKg/edit?tab=t.0 Magia Union Translations]</ref>

==Backstory==
It is unclear when exactly the store was established, however, it is known that [[Natsume Books]]' shopkeeper, or [[Kako Natsume|Kako's]] father, used to come there to play when he was little. Coincidentally, by the time [[Jun Kazari]], [[Mikura Komachi]] and [[Temari Kira]]<ref group="note">In Magia Archive, Mikura and Temari are stated to be 17, while Jun is stated to be 16. With additional context from typical school age ranges in Japan, this means this story happened around two to three years before Magia Record's Main Story</ref> were in middle school, both Natsume Books and Ashita's were targeted by a land shark, attempting to buy them out to build an apartment complex in the area. Ashita's owner did not own the land on which the store was located, rather, she was renting it from a real estate agent, who offered her the option to buy Ashita's land, as the agent was selling her properties and wasn't entirely pleased with the land shark's offer. However, as the lady did not have enough for the agent, she started preparing to close down Ashita's. Around that time, Jun found old golden coins hidden under Ashita's floor, that she was hesitant to tell the owner about due to her belief the coins were tied to criminal activity and could put the owner in danger. Concerned about the store's future still, Jun decided to make a contract with Kyubey to prevent the store from disappearing. Soon after, Jun found out that the lady found the coins on her own, and that they are legally classified as inheritance from her husband, with whom she used to run Ashita's<ref group="note">In the same story, it is also stated that the husband worked as a middle school teacher. It is unclear if he worked two jobs at once, or if the two happened at different times</ref>. The coins' worth allowed the lady to purchase Ashita's land and building for herself.<ref name="magireco-mss-jun"/>

==Character involvement==
===[[Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story|Magia Record]]===
====[[Jun Kazari]]====
Jun lived in Sankyo Ward near Ashita's when she was a child, introducing her to the shop. Despite her parents frequently moving with her due to their jobs, she kept regularly visiting it well longer than most<ref name="magireco-mss-jun"/>. She was considered somewhat of a leader of the children regularly attending the shop, and she often played games with them. Occasionally, the shop's owner would have her take care of the shop for short periods of time, with snacks and drawing lots as rewards. Jun also talked about the shop online to "exchange intel" on similar stores, as she believed it's the best candy store in Japan. In her second year of middle school, she moved out of Kamihama City, and didn't return until two years later, meaning she wasn't able to visit Ashita's in the meanwhile.<ref name="magireco-event-gith">[[Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story]] - [[Girls in the Hood]], as per translation by [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kmeLgj3zji7_0ciuNpixjSFyeJLEusGkY0ngc8ucFAs/edit?tab=t.0 Magia Union Translations]</ref>

Her first visit after the move was right before Valentine's Day, during which she decided to support [[Mikage Yakumo]] in her efforts to complete Operation Straw Millionaire by trading Mikage's ramune for candy she bought and a promise that Mikage would keep visiting Ashita's.<ref name="magireco-costume-mikage-winter">[[Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story]] - [[Mikage Yakumo#Costume Stories|Mikage Yakumo]] - Winter Costume Story, as per translation by [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1maKzARHCQAFW8NlNHo8RGr9MwXSB6T8yeIrYsfaBz2Q/edit?tab=t.0 Magia Union Translations]</ref>

However, afterwards she opted to avoid going again until Mitsune decides she changed and became confident enough to be able to go there. After Mitsune erased Jun and the rest of Neomagius' memories, Jun started believing she was the one who needs to change before going there. She changed her mind upon hearing from Hagumu that Ashita's owner wanted to see her, and upon their arrival, their memory returned. This was the last time Jun went to Ashita's, as she passed away soon after.<ref name="magireco-event-db-2">[[Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story]] - [[Dependence Blue]], part 2, as per translation by [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pYSDbN4MBA9Pjp9rOa2z_f81OGq3cKMKm2WAPbEcgjA/edit?tab=t.0 Magia Union Translations]</ref>

====[[Mitsune Miwa]]====
Mitsune first visited Ashita's in her second year of middle school when she met Jun, as the latter wanted to buy her ramune to thank her for helping her find her yo-yo. For the next few days afterwards, the two spent time there together playing with the children, allowing Mitsune to gain a bit of confidence. Eventually, she decided to go on an expedition to a park along with the children, without waiting for Jun to finish her classes. After defeating a Witch there, back at the store, Jun bid Mitsune and the shop owner farewell.<ref name="magireco-event-gith"/> Mitsune didn't visit Ashita's again until a year and a half later, after she became a Magical Girl. She went hunting a Witch with [[Hinano Miyako]] and [[Emiri Kisaki]], and found it near the shop. During the fight, memories of her time spent with Jun at Ashita's lead her to unleash her Doppel. She didn't visit the shop directly, however.<ref name="magireco-mss-mitsune">[[Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story]] - [[Mitsune Miwa]]'s Magical Girl Story, as per translation by [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TixLQ81RGOLOtII5tTMtnaoTjsakmrM1_St1SGOd7pQ/edit?tab=t.0 Magia Union Translations]</ref> Mitsune seemingly never went to Ashita's afterwards.


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Celtic Minstrel: /* MediaWiki upgrade (2026/09/11) */

== TemplateStyles & CodeEditor ==

I've added [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles TemplateStyles] and [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CodeEditor CodeEditor] to the wiki, so styling the wiki could be less suffering. CodeEditor should be enabled automatically when editing non-main namespace pages with .css suffix (e.g. Template:Foo/styles.css). Though, the page may need to be changed to "Sanitized CSS" via [[Special:ChangeContentModel]] before they're usable in <code><nowiki><templatestyles src="..." /></nowiki></code> tag. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 20:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

== Email notification ==

If you've confirmed an email, email notification for watchlist and talk page can now be enabled (in [[Special:Preferences]]). I am not sure how well this works in practice (spam and stuff), but let's see! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 18:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

== Downtime ==

Looks like there were some issues with the server (on the managed hosting side) and the wiki went down for a few hours. Sorry about this. If it happens again, I'll consider moving us to a VPS again. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:53, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
: I've migrated the server to a VPS, so the wiki should be much more stable now. I'm continuing to fix things, so if you find any stuff broken, please report back. Thank you! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 21:19, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

== Downtime (2024/07/15) ==

Hetzner VPS node was down for about 30 minutes due to an error on the Hetzner side. This has been resolved. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]])

== Downtime (2025/04/09) ==

The server was running out of space and went down for about 9 hours. I've resolved this by upgrading the server to a higher tier (more CPU/more RAM/more disk). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:30, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

== Downtime (2026/03/03) ==

You may have noticed the website has been very slow to access lately. The wiki has been experiencing a possibly targeted bot attack in the past few weeks (and possibly longer). I've attempted a lot of mitigation, but none seem to effectively fend them off for more than a day. I've now migrated the server to use Cloudflare for attack protection. Hopefully this lasts. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:41, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
: Better prepare to monitor the source of those attacks and launch more aggressive Javascript challenges for those countries/useragents. What was being used before Cloudflare? [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 08:54, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
:: The Wiki has been relying on Varnish Cache and manual IP/UA blocking to fend off these attacks in the past, which has worked very well. This time, the attack specifically DoS'd some of the heaviest pages while managing to bypass the cache. Cloudflare seems effective so far, as I can see the loads are back to the normal levels today. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:38, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
::: Yes, for now it should work. I don't know how "famous" this site is and thus how many requests it has and how distributed they are, but you most probably are going to have to monitor requests from time to time and change some restrictions at some point. I don't think you are going to require more than this though. [[User:ImperviousCover|ImperviousCover]] ([[User talk:ImperviousCover|talk]]) 14:42, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

== Downtime (2026/03/04) ==

The server went down for 5 minutes today due to applying new network-level tunings. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 17:09, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

== Slowdowns (2026/08/13) ==

AI crawlers have been slamming the server pretty hard on a few heavy pages that cannot be cached. We've now switched to heavily throttling those pages for crawlers. The wiki should now be performant again. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 16:40, 13 August 2026 (UTC)

== Slowdowns & Cloudflare 525s (2026/08/17) ==

The wiki is currently experiencing some slowdowns, as well as Error 525 on Cloudflare. I have done some extra tunings to fix the slowdowns (which require a FreeBSD upgrade due to package end-of-support). For error 525, this may take a while to fix. I suspect it may have more to do with the networking side than the server configuration. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 17:55, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
: Temporarily disabled Cloudflare; and all these weird instability are gone… -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 17:59, 17 August 2026 (UTC)
:: The wiki constantly breaks down now ;-; Is it because of Cloudflare being disabled? Because I was not gonna write here but its gotten bad T-T. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:53, 19 August 2026 (UTC)
::: Sorry, this was an unrelated issue; the server was running low on disk space for a while, and when the automated job tried to create a backup archive, the temporary files managed to fill the entire server's disk in the way that crashed everything. This should be resolved now with more resources. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 17:23, 19 August 2026 (UTC)
::: p.s., thank you for the ping. I have some monitoring set up, but it's only hourly, and can fail to alert if it's flip-flopping between working/not working. Commenting here helps a lot! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 17:39, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

== Downtime (2026/08/19) ==

The server was down for an unknown number of hours due to the disk space being full. The server was running low on disk space for a while. When a regular backup created temp files for archival (e.g., DB snapshots, Redis snapshots), it managed to fill in the remaining disk space in the way that crashed the entire server. This should be resolved now that I've provisioned more resources. (We'll also need to scale up server resources overall, as ''Walpurgisnacht'' has resulted in quite an upward tick in traffic.) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 17:33, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

== MediaWiki upgrade (2026/09/11) ==

We've upgraded MediaWiki to the latest version (1.46.0). As part of this upgrade, [[:mw:Extension:DynamicPageList3]] has now been replaced with [[:mw:Extension:DynamicPageList4]], and [[:mw:Extension:EmbedVideo]] switched to [[:mw:Extension:EmbedVideo_(fork)|StarCitizenWiki's fork]]. There may need to be some updates to the page. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 09:55, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
: How to update the dpl on pages? It seems like they should all work normally but they dont. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:43, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
:: Can you point me to the page that broke? I'll look at how to unbreak it. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:46, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
::: Okay
::# [[Template:Magia Record Game Info]]
::# [[Template:Magia Exedra Game Info]]
::# [[Template:Magia Exedra Portrait List]] (for some reason [[Template:Magia Record Memoria List]] still works)
::# [[Template:Magia Exedra Character Cell]]
::: I might have missed some but idk. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 10:53, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: Should work again now. DPL4 no longer allows <code>&</code> to be used for page filter. I replaced it with <code><&></code> and it should now works again. Let me know if something else broke. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 11:11, 11 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: <code><&></code> does the same thing, I presume? The phrasing "no longer allows" almost implies functionality was removed, but it sounds like this was more like just a syntax change. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 04:14, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

Talk:Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Tsuruno Yui - My Job's to Keep Smiling

2026-09-07T23:19:31Z

Celtic Minstrel:

If we're separating the heartphial stories into their own pages why not the Magireco side stories? But whatever, should these have their own navbox?, or maybe just make it a third part of [[Template:Navbox Magidra]]? - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 00:29, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
:#I'm not completely sold on the separation, but I didn't want full story summaries to clutter up character pages (even in a spoilerbox).
:#No reason we can't do the same for the Magia Record side stories.
:#Not sure if there should be a navbox for them. They should definitely all be linked from the corresponding character and unit pages.
:~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:37, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
::Making the character pages link to the Heartphial stories should be easy enough, just put code in [[Template:Magia Exedra Game Info]] that searches for a page starting with "Magia Exedra Heartphial Story" and the already given character parameter. But I'm not sure about the titles? I've used hyphens to separate sections of titles but for these you used en dashes, and also I think the character name should be separated too (so for this page either <code>Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Tsuruno Yui - My Job's to Keep Smiling</code> or <code>Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Tsuruno Yui: My Job's to Keep Smiling</code>), tbf the en dashes arent that much of an issue really, but the titles using different separators bugs me. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 19:53, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
::: The only reason I used an en dash was because using a hyphen gave me a database error for some reason, so if you can, feel free to move them to hyphens. I think I prefer not separating the character name, but I don't mind separating it either. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 22:19, 4 September 2026 (UTC)
:::: I would prefer for it to have a navbox, but the titles merge in too much with eachother, and I can't think of a good way to separate them. Maybe by year of when the story came out? (like we do with events) or maybe separate them alphabetically? Idk - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 13:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
::::: I'd probably go alphabetically by surname. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 14:26, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::: Eh I don't think that would look right, if alphabetically then definitely by first name. But whatever I decided to cut the story title from whats shown, and it looks way cleaner now, so theyre just ordered by their ID placements in the game (If you want to, reorder them). - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 15:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
::::::: ID is the worst choice, because there's absolutely no rhyme or reason to it – it's no better than dumping them into a box, shaking them up, and listing them in the order you happen to pull them out. Alphabetically by surname is better, because you can look at it and quickly figure out where a specific character is in the list. That would be true of alphabetically by given name too. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 01:14, 7 September 2026 (UTC)
:::::::: The heartphial order does look better now I can't lie, but apart from that I disagree with every other edit you just made T_T. Putting every story in a new line creates very ugly spacing. The Main Quests HAVE a specific order to them, ordering them alphabetically is not right. And the redirects, I guess they're not the worst?, but I don't like them either, usually the navboxes show the link as white when youre on its page, but with the links all being redirects thats not the case, and it doesnt look as good. It does make the template WAY smaller, so Im kinda conflicted, but I think Im more against it because the link directly shows up on the page it links to. - [[User:TheresaFrog421|TheresaFrog421]] ([[User talk:TheresaFrog421|talk]]) 06:58, 7 September 2026 (UTC)

I'll address your points one at a time.

<blockquote>Putting every story in a new line creates very ugly spacing.</blockquote>The wikitext parser treats a line break as equivalent to a space, unless there are two in a row, so I expected that putting every story on a new line wouldn't affect the spacing. I even verified that this is truly the case before saving the edit. However, it looks like I missed that starting a table cell with a line break causes the wikitext parser to wrap it in a paragraph. I added some CSS to make this not affect the spacing; hopefully it won't cause any problems.

<blockquote>The Main Quests HAVE a specific order to them, ordering them alphabetically is not right.</blockquote>I can't say it's accurate to claim that they have a specific order to them. Certainly the game forces you to play through them in a particular order, but there is no meaning to that order. It's just an arbitrary order the developers picked. In fact, I think they even changed the order much later.

<blockquote>usually the navboxes show the link as white when youre on its page, but with the links all being redirects thats not the case</blockquote>I can agree that this is a disadvantage of using the redirects. I would much rather use redirects all the same though, because some of those lines are so ridiculously long that they fill the width of the editing box.

~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 23:19, 7 September 2026 (UTC)

Template:Navbox Magidra

2026-09-07T23:16:47Z

Celtic Minstrel: Remove all those  that just get in the way

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!style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 230, 0.1)"|<span style='margin-left:65px;'><big>[[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Magia Exedra]] Stories</big></span><div style="float:right">{{edit|Template:Navbox Magidra}}</div>
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!Exedra Story
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[[Exedra Quest - Prologue: Sensing Myself|Prologue: Sensing Myself]] ・
[[Exedra Quest - Chapter 1 Part I: I Want to Protect Them|Chapter 1 Part I: I Want to Protect Them]]
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!Madoka Magica Story
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[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Rose Garden Witch Part I|Rose Garden Witch Part I]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Rose Garden Witch Part II|Rose Garden Witch Part II]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Darkness Witch|Darkness Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Dessert Witch|Dessert Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Box Witch|Box Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Graffiti Witch|Graffiti Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Silver Witch|Silver Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Shadow Witch|Shadow Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Dog Witch|Dog Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Mermaid Witch|Mermaid Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Artist Witch|Artist Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Chairperson Witch|Chairperson Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Birdcage Witch|Birdcage Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Stage Witch|Stage Witch]]
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!Magia Record Story
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[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Sandbox Witch|Sandbox Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Rumor of the Commoner's Horse|Rumor of the Commoner's Horse]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Rumor of the Anonymous AI|Rumor of the Anonymous AI]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Rumor of the Chelation Land Ferris Wheel|Rumor of the Chelation Land Ferris Wheel]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Blessed Witch|Blessed Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Witch of Good Fortune|Witch of Good Fortune]]
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!Scene 0 Story
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[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Mabayu Aki's Memory Part I|Mabayu Aki's Memory Part I]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Mabayu Aki's Memory Part II|Mabayu Aki's Memory Part II]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Mabayu Aki's Memory Part III|Mabayu Aki's Memory Part III]]
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!Crescent Memoria Story
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[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Momoko Togame's Memory|Momoko Togame's Memory]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Tsuruno Yui's Memory|Tsuruno Yui's Memory]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Critic Witch|Critic Witch]]
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!-Rebellion- Story
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[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Nightmare|Nightmare]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Nutcracker Witch|Nutcracker Witch]]
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!Darc Magica Story
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[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Corbeau|Corbeau]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Crépuscule de la Reine|Crépuscule de la Reine]]
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!Other
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[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Needle Witch|Oriko Magica - Needle Witch]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Main Quest - Wraith|Wraith Arc - Wraith]]
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!style='background-color: rgba(0, 145, 224, 0.2)'|<big><span style='margin-left:65px;'>[[Magia Exedra Events|Event]] Stories</span></big>
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{| class="wikitable mw-collapsible {{#switch:{{{show|all}}}|2026=mw-collapsed}}" style="width: 100%; margin: 0; border: 0"
!style="border-left: 0px; border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px;"|<span style='margin-left:65px;'>2025</span>
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[[Magia Exedra Event - Steady Steps Forward: Magical Girl Dreams|Steady Steps Forward: Magical Girl Dreams]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Farewell Story|Farewell Story Part I]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Dance☆Magica|Dance☆Magica]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Farewell Story|Farewell Story Part II]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - The Case Files of the Coordinator 1: The Many-Worlds Interpretation Poesy|The Case Files of the Coordinator 1: The Many-Worlds Interpretation Poesy]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Sunny Day Life|Sunny Day Life Part I]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Sunny Day Life|Sunny Day Life Part II]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Memories of You|Memories of You Part I]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - The Case Files of the Coordinator 2: A Drifting Narrative|The Case Files of the Coordinator 2: A Drifting Narrative]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Memories of You|Memories of You Part II]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Two Hands in Harmony|Two Hands in Harmony]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - The Case Files of the Coordinator 3: Cozy Cosmology|The Case Files of the Coordinator 3: Cozy Cosmology]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Eternal Summer Days|Eternal Summer Days Part I]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Eternal Summer Days|Eternal Summer Days Part II]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - The Case Files of the Coordinator 4: Moratorium on Misdelivery|The Case Files of the Coordinator 4: Moratorium on Misdelivery]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Iroha's Birthday 2025: Her Extra Special Day|Iroha's Birthday 2025: Her Extra Special Day]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - The Case Files of the Coordinator 5: Invisible Epiphany|The Case Files of the Coordinator 5: Invisible Epiphany]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - The Rumored Temp Counselor|The Rumored Temp Counselor]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Defying Destiny: Forbidden Cards Call|Defying Destiny: Forbidden Cards Call]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Madoka's Birthday 2025: A Gifted Predicament|Madoka's Birthday 2025: A Gifted Predicament]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - A Taste of Hospitality|A Taste of Hospitality]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Forever Halloween Night|Forever Halloween Night Part I]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Forever Halloween Night|Forever Halloween Night Part II]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - A St. Magica Academy Christmas|A St. Magica Academy Christmas: Part Nice]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - A St. Magica Academy Christmas|A St. Magica Academy Christmas: Part Naughty]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Yuletide Tale: Where Our Hearts Begin|Yuletide Tale: Where Our Hearts Begin]]
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!style="border-left: 0px; border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px;"|<span style='margin-left:65px;'>2026</span>
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[[Magia Exedra Event - Prayers and Play Keep Sickness Away|Prayers and Play Keep Sickness Away]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Next Act: In Search of an Ordinary Life|Next Act: In Search of an Ordinary Life]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Homemade and Heartfelt Valentines|Homemade and Heartfelt Valentines]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Sweet Magic from the Heart|Sweet Magic from the Heart Part I]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Sweet Magic from the Heart|Sweet Magic from the Heart Part II]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Portraits of the Past and Promise|Portraits of the Past and Promise]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Magia Et Cetera Lighthouse Stamp Rally|Magia Et Cetera Lighthouse Stamp Rally]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Monogatari Series Collab: Labyrinth Story|Monogatari Series Collab Part I: Labyrinth Story]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Monogatari Series Collab: Labyrinth Story|Monogatari Series Collab Part II: Labyrinth Story]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Rise of the Waning Moon|Rise of the Waning Moon]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Mami Tomoe: A Doppel Tale|Mami Tomoe: A Doppel Tale]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Welcome to Magia Island|Welcome to Magia Island Part I]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Welcome to Magia Island|Welcome to Magia Island Part II]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Finding Our Formula|Finding Our Formula]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Hotel Pool Rescue|Hotel Pool Rescue: Poolside Panic]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Hotel Pool Rescue|Hotel Pool Rescue: Staffing Snafu]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - So Close, Yet So Far|So Close, Yet So Far]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - A Waking Dreamer After Dark|A Waking Dreamer After Dark]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Moments to Myself|Moments to Myself]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Magia Et Cetera: 100 Episodes & Zero Regrets Special|Magia Et Cetera: 100 Episodes & Zero Regrets Special]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Iroha's Birthday 2026: A Summer School Special|Iroha's Birthday 2026: A Summer School Special]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Sweet Dreams and Shifting Realities|Sweet Dreams and Shifting Realities]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Event - Hollow Utopia|Hollow Utopia]]
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{| class='wikitable mw-collapsible {{#switch:{{{show|all}}}|main|events|2025|2026=mw-collapsed}}' style='text-align: center; width: 100%; margin: 0px; border: 0; margin-top: 0; border-top: 0'
!style='background-color: rgba(0, 224, 122, 0.2)'|<big><span style='margin-left:65px;'>Heartphial Stories</span></big>
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[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Alina Gray - An Inescapable Truth|Alina Gray]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Ashley Taylor - Can't Be Myself Without What I Love|Ashley Taylor]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Asuka Tatsuki - Ryushin-Style Mind of Steel|Asuka Tatsuki]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Ayame Mikuri - Runaway Adventure|Ayame Mikuri]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Corbeau - A Thirst for Blood and Steel|Corbeau]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Darc - No Matter How Often I Fall|Darc]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Emiri Kisaki - No Stopping Me Now|Emiri Kisaki]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Eternal Sakura - Beyond the Promised Day|Eternal Sakura]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Felicia Mitsuki - The Day my Mom and Dad Were Killed|Felicia Mitsuki]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Fuka Higure - Flowers For You|Fuka Higure]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Hanna Sarasa - At the End of the World with You|Hanna Sarasa]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Hazuki Yusa - The Distance Between Us|Hazuki Yusa]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Himika Mao - A Lucky Break Lost & Found|Himika Mao]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Hinano Miyako - Veteran's Pride|Hinano Miyako]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Homura Akemi - A Little Goes a Long Way|Homura Akemi]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Iroha Tamaki - An Unshakable Image of Her|Iroha Tamaki]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Kaede Akino - Diary of a Useless Kid|Kaede Akino]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Kako Natsume - N's Confession|Kako Natsume]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Kanae Yukino - What My Life Meant|Kanae Yukino]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Kanagi Izumi - What Binds Us All|Kanagi Izumi]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Karin Misono - The Prison City Great Escape|Karin Misono]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Kirika Kure - Sweet, Sweet Reminiscence|Kirika Kure]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Koito Asako - Someday You'll Speak Your Truth|Koito Asako]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Kokoro Awane - A World Where I Never Was|Kokoro Awane]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Konoha Shizumi - Shuffled Truffles Trouble|Konoha Shizumi]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Kush Irina - Irreversible Code|Kush Irina]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Kyoko Sakura - The Path I Chose|Kyoko Sakura]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Liz Hawkwood - Saying Farewell to Home|Liz Hawkwood]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Mabayu Aki - Days on Repeat|Mabayu Aki]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Madoka Kaname - Faith in an Intriguing Girl|Madoka Kaname]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Madoka-senpai - A Day in the Life of Madoka-senpai|Madoka-senpai]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Mami Tomoe - How Heroines Go On Fighting|Mami Tomoe]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Masara Kagami - A Flame Kindled in the Vastness|Masara Kagami]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Mayoi Hachikuji - Mayoi Home|Mayoi Hachikuji]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Meiyui Chun - Purging a Problematic Piece|Meiyui Chun]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Mel Anna - My Thoughts at the Very End|Mel Anna]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Melissa de Vignolles - Dark Days Lying in Wait|Melissa de Vignolles]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Mifuyu Azusa - New Dreams Take Flight|Mifuyu Azusa]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Mitama Yakumo - Open for Business|Mitama Yakumo]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Mito Aino - A Lucky Clover Connecting Hearts|Mito Aino]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Momoko Togame - Love and Lousy Timing|Momoko Togame]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Nagisa Momoe - Nagisa's Wish|Nagisa Momoe]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Name - Lighthouse Memories|Name]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Nanaka Tokiwa - Schemes of a Grand Design|Nanaka Tokiwa]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Natsuki Utsuho - Grinning Through the Curveballs|Natsuki Utsuho]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Nemu Hiiragi - A False Hope|Nemu Hiiragi]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Oriko Mikuni - When I Was Just a Girl|Oriko Mikuni]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Reira Ibuki - Mighty Bonds from Little Acorns|Reira Ibuki]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Ren Isuzu - Color to a Colorless World|Ren Isuzu]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Rena Minami - Rena Wants to Change|Rena Minami]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Rika Ayano - Haunting Love, Haunting Mistake|Rika Ayano]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Riko Chiaki - Worked Out with a Woof|Riko Chiaki]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Sana Futaba - My New Home|Sana Futaba]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Sayaka Miki - To Hear That Precious Sound Once More|Sayaka Miki]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Seika Kumi - The Bluebird and Our Tomorrow|Seika Kumi]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Shinobu Oshino - Shinobu Spells|Shinobu Oshino]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Sumire Yoake - Flowers From You|Sumire Yoake]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Touka Satomi - Hope Realized Through Sacrifice|Touka Satomi]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Tsukasa Amane - Me and Her, Ever After|Tsukasa Amane]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Tsukuyo Amane - She and I, Ever After|Tsukuyo Amane]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Tsuruno Yui - My Job's to Keep Smiling|Tsuruno Yui]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Ui Tamaki - Hoping to Be Helpful|Ui Tamaki]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Yachiyo Nanami - Bittersweet Letters|Yachiyo Nanami]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Yotsugi Ononoki - Yotsugi Sister|Yotsugi Ononoki]] ・
[[Magia Exedra Heartphial Story - Yuma Chitose - Not a Kid Anymore|Yuma Chitose]]
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