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Talk:Madoka Magica - The Battle Pentagram

2014-01-11T15:31:33Z

Derp101(2):

[[File:Yuri relationship map.jpg|thumb|The Pandering Pentagram]]

== PS3 or Vita? ==
[[File:Tension up.jpg|right|150px]]
Is it PS3 or Vita? I see a big "PS3" on the page photo...--[[User:Kerigis|Kerigis]] 07:53, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
:Wait, looking at the images, judging from the paragraphs and the side of the page... it's PS3 AND Vita?! Holy Madokami's ribbons... --[[User:Kerigis|Kerigis]] 08:06, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
:: I'm sure that it's Vita, one of the screenshots in the Dengenki magazine (the one that says PS3) has L and R buttons on it, meaning that's Vita... ;_; [[User:Hoshiko|Hoshiko]] 08:15, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
:::But why would it be indexed in PS3? Unless Dengeki blundered hard, causing all this mess.--[[User:Kerigis|Kerigis]] 08:23, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
::::If it were for both Famitsu would have said something :( I'm sad because I was planning to get a PS3 soon... (late to the party I know) but I would never ever get a Vita Dx[[User:Hoshiko|Hoshiko]] 08:31, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
:Famitsu magazine clearly says PS3, while the other clearly says it's for Vita. (You don't need Japanese, just look at the pictures.) Someone goofed. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 10:53, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
:Famitsu issued an apology for the error - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 22:46, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
<blockquote> '【2013/09/12修正】本作の対応機種に誤りがありました。正しくはプレイステーション Vita対応ソフトとなります。読者の皆様、ならびに関係各位にご迷惑をおかけしましたことをお詫びするとともに、ここに訂正させていただきます。' </blockquote>
*http://www.famitsu.com/news/201309/12039771.html

*http://www.famitsu.com/news/201309/17040052.html

== Translation ==
Any kind soul up for translating the info on the pages (the prologue as a priority)? --[[User:Kerigis|Kerigis]] 08:36, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

==4chan thread==
*[http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/93627007/ Livestream reaction]

==promotional material==
*[http://matomagi.doorblog.jp/archives/32717273.html Some promotional material about Battle Pentagram. ]

==New TBP scans!!!==
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2767519007

==Youtube vids==
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6AsLPdc9u8 Puella Magi ☆ Madoka Magica The Battle Pentagram - Opening]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoLCUuqr1w4 Puella Magi ☆ Madoka Magica The Battle Pentagram - Prologue - Part 1]

===The Battle Pentagram BAD END===
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzbHqc4Oz2U video]

Announcement: An exceptional disaster warning has been issued for all areas of Mitakihara City. All residents are asked to proceed to their designated emergency shelters with all due haste.

Kyuubey: It's finally here.

Kyuubey: Five magical girls worked together to make it this far, winning tough battles and avoiding witchdom.

Kyuubey: That, in other words, is a sign that hope and despair are going to undergo a major reconfiguration. This is going to be a prime opportunity to harvest some emotional energy.

Kyuubey: Akemi Homura, I owe you my thanks. Will the hope you left behind turn to despair?

Kyuubey: Let's see what decisions you five make today.

[battle happens and Mami loses]

Mami: N-no!

Mami: I guess I'm just not good enough.

Homura: You couldn't have done anything about it. Let's retreat.

[out of battle mode]

Homura: [panting]

Homura: Why? Why can't I win?

Homura: Everybody else died...

Homura: Madoka... girls...

Homura: I'm sorry...

Homura: Next time... I swear...

Homura: We'll all live, and we'll defeat it together!

Homura: ???!!!

===Puella Magi ☆ Madoka Magica The Battle Pentagram - Homura and Madoka Special Scene ===
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dJpdPyQtww video]

(YURI SUBTEXT!!!!! SPOILER!!!!)

'''Translation:'''

Madoka: This is my house.

Homura: Indeed.

Homura: What with your father's careful management of your vegetable garden and the excellent repair of the building, it truly is an excellent home.

Madoka: Y-you sure know a lot about it.

Homura: Anyway, is it alright for me to visit right now?

Madoka: Of course! Come on in!

Madoka: I'm home!

Homura: Hello.

Madoka: I guess they're out shopping? Want to have a bath before dinner?

Homura: Huh? Sure...

Homura: Madoka, you go ahead first. I can wait...

Madoka: Don't be silly. Let's bathe together!

Homura: Huh!? T-together?

Madoka: Ehehe. Just kidding!

Homura: Madoka...

[scene change to bed]

Homura: Hey, Madoka, are you still awake?

Madoka: Yeah. Sleeping in the same bed is a bit embarrassing, huh.

Homura: That's why I offered to sleep on the floor...

Madoka: No, this is nice. Plus, you're so warm.

Homura: So are you, Madoka.

Madoka: [laughs]

Homura: Why did you invite me to spend the night?

Madoka: When you told me you lived alone, you seemed so lonely.

Homura: I... seemed lonely?

Madoka: And so I kind of wanted to spend a lot of talking with you.

Homura: Madoka... Um, thank you.

Madoka: You shouldn't thank me for that.

Madoka: I'm so happy just spending time with you.

Homura: Me too.

Madoka: Can I sleep over at your place next time?

Homura: S-sure. There's not much there, but if you're okay with that...

Madoka: That's not true. You're there.

Homura: Madoka...

Madoka: I'm kind of tired now.

Homura: Me too. I think I'll get a good sleep tonight.

Madoka: Alright, I'm going to switch off the lights. Good night, Homura-chan.

Homura: Good night, Madoka.

>''You have earned a trophy!''
>''Achievement Unlocked: "My (other) best friend"''

===Homu Obession===
[http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22568063 niconico video]

From the last event in this video (Starts at 10:35):

SAYAKA: Homura, that you? Good morning.

HOMURA: Good morning, Sayaka.

SAYAKA: So you pass by this street too? I never knew.

HOMURA: I've seen you several times.

SAYAKA: Huh, really? Say something next time, alright?

HOMURA: I'll consider it.

HOMURA: ...

SAYAKA: ...

SAYAKA: Homura, say something.

HOMURA: Why?

SAYAKA: Aren't friends supposed to have fun conversations while they walk to school!?

HOMURA: True.

SAYAKA: ...

HOMURA ...

SAYAKA: Come on! Talk, talk!

HOMURA: ...

SAYAKA: Sigh... well, should I try to find something we have in common?

HOMURA: Madoka-

SAYAKA: Huh?

HOMURA: She's kind to everyone. She's a wonderful person who's very considerate to her friends.

HOMURA: She always takes what I say seriously, and acts accordingly.

HOMURA: The depths to her compassion are-

SAYAKA: Wa- wait a minute, Homura. What are you talking about?

HOMURA: Madoka, of course.

SAYAKA: A- aren't you idealizing her a bit?

HOMURA: Absolutely not. You surely know of her greatness as well, Sayaka.

HOMURA: Madoka's famed for being kind to even animals-

SAYAKA: That's enough! Let's just go quietly, okay!?

===Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram -- Madoka/Sayaka Max Relationship Scene===
The video has english subs as annotations
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2h6-t7HPs8 YouTube video]

===Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram -- Madoka/Mami Max Relationship Scene (English Annotations)===
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2J3BtYvVbM youtube video]

===Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram -- Sayaka/Homura Max Relationship Scene (English Annotations)===
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I5LOO7BR0I youtube video]

===HomuSaya Max Relationship video===

"Go easy on me, Sayaka"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I5LOO7BR0I

===KyoSaya===
Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram -- Kyouko/Sayaka Max Relationship Scene (English Annotations)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CluEoQH1xow

===HomuKyo===
Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram -- Homura/Kyouko Max Relationship Scene (English Annotations)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohf0n6ymcso

===List of each character pair's relationship at max level!===

Mado/Saya: ”運命共同体” -- "Those With a Shared Destiny"

Mado/Mami: "大好きな人" -- "Loved Person"*

Mado/Kyou: "憧れの存在” -- "A Yearned-for Existence"

Mado/Homu: "運命の人" -- "Person of Fate"

Saya/Mami: "背中を守る者" -- "The One Who's Got Your Back"

Saya/Kyou: "相思相愛" -- "Mutual Love"(!)

Saya/Homu: "認め合った仲" -- "Mutually Recognized Friendship"

Mami/Homu: "共に進む戦友" -- "Comrades Who Push Forward Together"

Mami/Kyou: "心許せる存在" -- "An Existence of Trust"

Kyou/Homu: "最後の切り札" -- "The Final Trump Card"

*it should be noted that Mami straight-up asks Madoka out on a date. Not "let's go somewhere together" or anything more vague like that, but she directly uses the word "date", complete with Madoka giving her the "but we're both girls" excuse. And during said date, Mami tells Madoka that the way she feels about her is a secret. This could very well be the most strongly-suggested pair in the game.
**Mami-san hard gay? That's hardly a surprise. --[[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 21:08, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

===Puella Magi ☆ Madoka Magica The Battle Pentagram - BAD END #1===
Walpurgis is defeated, but Madoka cant take the fact that the city has been destroyed so Madoka becomes a witch (youtube description says that Madoka destroyed her Soul Gem, not sure about it). --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:32, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1AWAOLjC9I youtube video]

==Character Relationship==

{|class="wikitable" style="width:100%;text-align:center;border:none;"
!colspan="5"| Madoka
|-
| '''Relationship level'''
| '''Sayaka'''
| '''Mami'''
| '''Homura'''
| '''Kyoko'''
|-
| 1~3
| Close Friend 
| Senpai & Kouhai 
| Friend 
| Comrade 
|-
| 4~6
| Best Friend 
| Teacher & Disciple 
| Close Friend 
| Close Friend 
|-
| 7~9 (max)
| Those With a Shared Destiny 
| Loved Person 
| Person of Fate 
| A Yearned-for Existence 
|}

{|class="wikitable" style="width:100%;text-align:center;border:none;"
!colspan="5"| Sayaka
|-
| '''Relationship level'''
| '''Madoka'''
| '''Mami'''
| '''Homura'''
| '''Kyoko'''
|-
| 1~3
| Close Friend 
| Senpai & Kouhai 
| Comrade 
| Comrade 
|-
| 4~6
| Best Friend 
| Teacher & Disciple 
| Comrade-in-arms 
| Partner 
|-
| 7~9 (max)
| Those With a Shared Destiny 
| The One Who's Got Your Back 
| Mutually Recognized Friendship 
| Mutual Love 
|}

{|class="wikitable" style="width:100%;text-align:center;border:none;"
!colspan="5"| Mami
|-
| '''Relationship level'''
| '''Madoka'''
| '''Sayaka'''
| '''Homura'''
| '''Kyoko'''
|-
| 1 ~3
| Senpai & Kouhai 
| Senpai & Kouhai 
| Collaborator 
| Old friend 
|-
| 4~6
| Teacher & Disciple 
| Teacher & Disciple 
| Comrade 
| Close Friend 
|-
| 7~9 (max)
| Loved Person 
| The One Who's Got Your Back 
| Comrades Who Push Forward Together 
| An Existence of Trust 
|}

{|class="wikitable" style="width:100%;text-align:center;border:none;"
!colspan="5"| Homura
|-
| '''Relationship level'''
| '''Madoka'''
| '''Sayaka'''
| '''Mami'''
| '''Kyoko'''
|-
| 1 ~3
| Friend 
| Comrade 
| Collaborator 
| Collaborator 
|-
| 4~6
| Close Friend 
| Comrade-in-arms 
| Comrade 
| Comrade 
|-
| 7~9 (max)
| Person of Fate 
| Mutually Recognized Friendship 
| Comrades Who Push Forward Together 
| The Final Trump Card 
|}

{|class="wikitable" style="width:100%;text-align:center;border:none;"
!colspan="5"| Kyoko
|-
| '''Relationship level'''
| '''Madoka'''
| '''Sayaka'''
| '''Mami'''
| '''Homura'''
|-
| 1 ~3
| Comrade 
| Comrade 
| Old friend 
| Collaborator 
|-
| 4~6
| Close Friend 
| Partner 
| Close Friend 
| Comrade 
|-
| 7~9 (max)
| A Yearned-for Existence 
| Mutual Love 
| An Existence of Trust 
| The Final Trump Card 
|}

Someone might want to fix those translation if it's incorrect.
::too bad we cant see the japanese words... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:23, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
:::It's hidden in the comment (for aesthetic reason...) , should it also included in the table ? - [[User:Arkeid|Arkeid]] 09:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
::::nah, let it be. its fine. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 11:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

==Ending Requirement==
Bad End : Lose to Walpugris Night at day 30.

Better End : Defeat Walpugris Night at day 30.

Good End : Max one girl bond with the other four, defeat Walpugris Night at day 30 with her.

True End: Defeat Walpugris Night at day 30, max everyone bond.

:What is the True End in this game? -[[User:Hoshiko|Hoshiko]] 05:29, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
:: {{Spoiler|It's a dream of Homu apparently.}} [[:File:TBP_true_end.jpg|Homu & QB in new world]] - [[User:Arkeid|Arkeid]] 10:50, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
[[File:Homura harem route.png|thumb]]
:: What, no harem route? - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 22:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
:::Are there more than two bad endings, where are the new witches we saw on portable? --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 15:31, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

==Spreadsheet for this game==
Similar to the spreadsheet of the first game (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Amu6wOa0hazDdDA0LVVtRWFvRDhMOXJ6SjM2OVpBR0E#gid=1), is there anyone willing enough to make a spreadsheet for this game that details all the stats, spells, and abilities of each girl? I found a forum on gamefaqs asking about a similar thing as well.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/731140-gekijouban-madoka-magicka-the-battle-pentagram/68204113

It would be really awesome if someone made a spreadsheet for this game. Thanks

PS: FYI, I did not start the gamefaqs thread. [[User:Ultimatedorkboy|Ultimatedorkboy]] 04:22, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

==screenshots==
<gallery>
File:BBdp8t0.jpg
</gallery>

Homulilly

2013-12-17T01:37:04Z

Derp101(2): /* Minions */

'''Homulilly''' is the [[witch]] form of [[Homura Akemi]], making an appearance in ''[[Madoka Magica Portable]]''. She is the {{Nihongo|'''Witch of Mortal World'''|此岸の魔女|Shigan no Majō}}<ref>{{Nihongo|此岸|Shigan}} is an opposite of {{Nihongo|彼岸|Higan}} or the other shore of [[wikipedia:Sanzu River|Sanzu river]].</ref> with a disc on top of her and an infinity sign. Homulilly first appeared in the bonus material of ''[[Madoka Magica Portable]]''. Unlike all other witches in the game, with the exception of [[Kriemhild Gretchen]], Homulilly is not playable in the game or bonus dungeons, nor is any other information provided in the game or bonus materials. She only appears in a Game Over screen in the game if a player loses to [[Walpurgis Night]] in Homura's route, under specific conditions.

Her [[Witch's Kiss]] from the Special PlayStation Portable theme bundled with the limited edition of Madoka Magica Portable looks like an hourglass on top of a {{Nihongo|[[wikipedia:Lycoris radiata|red spider lily]]|彼岸花|Higanbana}} although it is Homura's character color purple, instead of the usual red color.

{{spoilers}}

In ''[[The Rebellion Story]]'' {{spoiler|Homulilly reappears, now known as the Nutcracker Witch. In fact the movie takes place in her barrier, and Homura transforms into Homulilly once she discovers the truth. Her appearance has been altered from the PSP game.}}

== Cards ==
{{Card
|name = Homulilly (Portable)
|runes = HOMULILLY
|image = File:Homulilly Card.jpg
|japanese_desc =
|english_desc =
|type = Mortal world witch
|episodes = [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]
|jatext_extra_styles = extra styling for japanese text
|header_extra_styles = extra styling for header label
}}
{{Card
|name = Homulilly (First Form)
|runes = HOMULILLY
|image = File:Card Missing.png
|japanese_desc =
|english_desc = The Nutcracker Witch. Its nature is self-sufficiency. Its gallant form, which once split many nuts, is now useless. Without any other purpose, this witch's last wish is her own execution. However, a mere decapitation will not clear away the witch's sins. This foolish witch will forever remain in this realm, repeating the procession to her execution.
|type = Nutcracker witch
|nature = Self-sufficient
|episodes = [[The Rebellion Story]]
|jatext_extra_styles = extra styling for japanese text
|header_extra_styles = extra styling for header label
}}
{{Card
|name = Homulilly (Second Form)
|runes = HOMULILLY
|image = File:Card Missing.png
|japanese_desc =
|english_desc = The Nutcracker Witch. Her nature is self-sufficiency. Her teeth are showing, her skull is melted, and her eyeballs have fallen out. A promise is the only thing that pitifully planted in that head which can no longer crack any nuts, but within the husk of the awakened witch is the distinct form of a magical girl. Her servants shamefully refer to that thing as a good-for-nothing.
|type = Nutcracker witch
|nature = Self-sufficient
|episodes = [[The Rebellion Story]]
|jatext_extra_styles = extra styling for japanese text
|header_extra_styles = extra styling for header label
}}

==Minions==
{{Card
|name = Clara Dolls
|runes = CLARA DOLLS
|image = File:Card Missing.png
|japanese_desc =
|english_desc = The children of the false city. They play the role of mourners. These dress-up dolls fake crying in order to liven up the funeral procession. The dolls present are Arrogance, Sadsack, Liar, Coldheartedness, Selfishness, Badmouther, Dunce, Jealousy, Lazybones, Vanity, Cowardice, Fool, Bias, and Obstinance, while the last one, Love, has yet to arrive. "We are born from colors of existence, and never reach to skies of emptiness, and the depths of this world are our own stage." And their power is a match for Magical Girls.
|type = Nutcracker witch's minion
|task = Mourning
|episodes = [[The Rebellion Story]]
}}
{{Card
|name = Lotte
|runes = LOTTE
|image = File:Card Missing.png
|japanese_desc =
|english_desc = The Nutcracker Witch's servant. Its duty is to mete out punishment. These tin soldiers organize the procession for the witch sent to the guillotine. They execute fools and worrysome fools. Their bulky heads are serious and unyielding, and do not heed anything the witch says. There are gigantic Brocken-types in addition to the human sized ones. They hate white rats.
|type = Nutcracker witch's minion
|task = Mete out punishment
|episodes = [[The Rebellion Story]]
}}
{{Card
|name = Luiselotte
|runes = LUISELOTTE
|image = File:Card Missing.png
|japanese_desc =
|english_desc = A minion of the Nutcracker Witch. Her duty is to eliminate rats. She hunts the wretched white rats on her mount, a decaying tooth. She also helps the other tin warriors get rid of those who would dare to interrupt their funeral procession.
|type = Nutcracker witch's minion
|task = Eliminate rats
|episodes = [[The Rebellion Story]]
}}
{{Card
|name = Liese
|runes = LIESE
|image = File:Card Missing.png
|japanese_desc =
|english_desc = The Nutcracker Witch's servant. Its role is to bear bad news. These stuffed birds announce the beginning of the witch's funeral procession. They receive food from the children of the false city, and follow their orders to a certain extent, but their basic intelligence is on par with an average bird. They fly in flocks, but their headgear impairs their vision, and they have a habit of ramming into moving objects. In addition to their usual size, there are also gigantic Brocken-types.
|type = Nutcracker witch's minion
|task = Bear bad news
|episodes = [[The Rebellion Story]]
}}
{{Card
|name = Lilia
|runes = LILIA
|image = File:Card Missing.png
|japanese_desc =
|english_desc = The Nutcracker Witch's servant. Its role is to chew. These nutcracker dolls chew and crush any unwanted foreign substances in place of the witch who can no longer crack any nuts. They can also fire a nut cannon from its mouth. As the rumours go, it is no exaggeration to say that their vaunted enamel has a hardness of 10.
|type = Nutcracker witch's minion
|task = Chewing
|episodes = [[The Rebellion Story]]
}}

== Appearances ==
=== Madoka Magica Portable ===
In Madoka Magica Portable, if the player dies fighting [[Walpurgis Night]] in Homura's route under specific conditions, there is a dialogue of Homura losing hope and an illustration of Homulilly before the ''Game Over'' screen appears. The dialogue is as follows:

{| class="wikitable" style="width: 100%;"
!colspan="2"|Japanese
!colspan="2"|English
!Image
|-
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|これだけ準備して
それでも勝てない……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|I have prepared so much but how can't I win?
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 1.jpg|100px]]
|-
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|そうだ……。
また時間を……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|Yes, I can (reverse) time...
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 2.jpg|100px]]
|-
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|！！
砂が……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|!! The sand...
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 3.jpg|100px]]
|-
!style="vertical-align: top;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|そうか。
魔法を……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|So my magic...
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 4.jpg|100px]]
|-
!style="vertical-align: top;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|ああ。
ここで終わりなんだ……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|Ah! It is all over...
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 5.jpg|100px]]
|-
!style="vertical-align: top;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|まどか。
あなたを救えなかった……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|Madoka, I couldn't save you...
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 6.jpg|100px]]
|-
!style="vertical-align: top;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|ごめんなさい……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|I'm sorry...
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 7.jpg|100px]]
|-
|colspan="4" style="font-weight:bold;text-align:center;"|HOMULILLY

GAME OVER
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 8.jpg|100px]]
|-
|colspan="4" style="font-weight:bold;text-align:center;"|STANDARD GAME OVER
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 9.jpg|100px]]
|-
|}

==Observation and Speculation==
:''This section is fan observation and speculation, please do not take it as facts.''
[[File:Homu kiss close-up.jpg|thumb|Homulilly's witch kiss in the PSP game custom theme]]
[[File:Spider Lily Lycoris Radiata.jpg|thumb|Red Spider Lily]]
=== About her name ===
*[[:file:PSP Photo Icon.jpg|Homulilly's witch kiss]] seems to show a Spider Lily.
*"Shigan" is the opposite of "Higan" (nirvana). Higanbana (literally "higan flowers") is the Japanese name for [[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata|red spider lillies]]. So shiganbana, or Homu lilly, could be a pun.
**Lycoris radiata ([[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata#Uses|red spider lily]]) are very poisonous. These are mostly used in Japan, and they are used to surround their paddies and houses to keep the pest and mice away. That is why most of them grow close to rivers now.
**In Japan the Red Spider Lily signals the arrival of fall. Many Buddhist will use it to celebrate the arrival of fall with a ceremony at the tomb of one of their ancestors. They plant them on graves because it shows a tribute to the dead. People believe that since the Red Spider Lily is mostly associated with death that one should never give a bouquet of these flowers.
*HOMU is a known nickname for Homura used by Inu Curry, revealed in [[:File:Episode_3_runes.jpg|runes]] in [[Episode 3]] Charlotte's barrier.
*The LILLY part of her name could also be a reference to [[Yuri undertones|yuri]] (百合), which is [[:File:Megami_Lily.jpg|commonly associated with lily]] in Japan.
*Another possibility is that Homulilly may actually refer to [[wikipedia:Lilith|Lilith]], from the Old Testament[http://cishet.tumblr.com/post/65623363997/happy-halloween-lets-talk-about-homulily].
=== About how Homura turned into a witch in ''Portable'' ===
* It is speculated that the reason Homura didn't use her time-stopping magic in this timeline, is because most of the sand is still in the upper side of the hourglass. If she turned her shield upside down, there would be little sand to use when using her reset sand as there would be too little sand in the lower side of the hourglass. If Homura doesn't have enough sand to do a full reset then she cannot travel to a new timeline.
** Alternatively, the hourglass in her shield was broken and the sand spilled out, making ''any'' further time loops impossible.

=== Witch Design ===
*If you notice, the sides have a curb shape like an hourglass and the grey/white dots could be sand.
*The top part looks like an old vinyl record, the stylus has an odd shape. If you think about it, it almost makes it look like a stereotypical witches' hat.
**"Broken record"? Her timeline resets certainly qualify this as a theme.
*Under the vinyl record, what looks like hair or pig tails, could be Moemura's pigtails.
**Plus, there appears to be what looks like a chin right under the record, making her look like a classic Witch.
*The section where the braided parts meet, there is something like red sticks.
**These sticks could be knitting needles, held by hands formed by the ends of her pigtails.
** If these are knitting needles, then her design could also be partially based off of the famous old quote "A stitch in time saves nine", meaning good preparation can prevent future hardship (or tragedy).
*Under the red stick, the hair forms the shape of what that looks like the number eight or the [[wikipedia:Infinity|infinite symbol.]]
**If you think about it, it almost looks like an hourglass shape too..
**Ironically, the number eight is considered to be [[wikipedia:Numbers_in_Chinese_culture#Eight|a lucky number in Chinese]] and [[wikipedia:8_(number)#In_superstition_and_divination|other Asian cultures.]]
*The bottom part of the witch's cape stretches down and connects to the pink orb in the hourglass-like shape in the background. It's unclear whether it's extending out of the hourglass or getting pulled in, as if by a black hole.
**If you notice, Homura's hand is in the bottom pink orb, with the witch coming out of (presumably) her hand's soul gem.
**A matching pink orb is in the top half of the hourglass. Like the bottom part of her cape, Homulilly's hat extends upward toward it; however, it then bends back down and doesn't reach the orb. This may represent Homura repeatedly resetting time and being unable to move on from the "mortal world".
***The halves of the hourglass may represent separate universes, and the points of light inside of them representing stars.
*Two shapes resembling bat wings can be seen behind the "HOMULILLY" runes. These may either extend out of Homulilly's cape or be part of the hourglass's top half.

=== [[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata#Legends|Stories and Legends Regarding the Red Spider Lily]] ===
:Since these scarlet flowers usually bloom near cemeteries around the autumnal equinox, they are described in Chinese and Japanese translations of the [[wikipedia:Lotus_Sutra|Lotus Sutra]] as ominous flowers that grow in [[wikipedia:Diyu|Diyu]] (also known as Hell), or Huángquán (Simplified Chinese: 黄泉; Traditional Chinese: 黃泉), and guide the dead into the next reincarnation. 
:When the flowers of ''lycoris'' bloom, their leaves would have fallen; when their leaves grow, the flowers would have wilted. This habit gave rise to various legends. A famous one is the legend of two elves: Mañju (Simplified Chinese: 曼珠; Traditional Chinese: 曼珠), who guarded the flower, and Saka (Simplified Chinese: 沙华; Traditional Chinese: 沙華), who guarded the leaves. Out of curiosity, they defied their fate of guarding the herb alone, and managed to meet each other. At first sight, they fell in love with each other. [[wikipedia:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]], exasperated by their waywardness, separated the miserable couple, and laid a curse on them as a punishment: the flowers of Mañju shall never meet the leaves of Saka again. It was said that when the couple met after death in Diyu, they vowed to meet each other after reincarnation. However, neither of them could keep their words. In commemoration of the couple, some call the herbs 'Mañjusaka' (Simplified Chinese:曼珠沙华; Traditional Chinese: 曼珠沙華), a mixture of 'Mañju' and 'Saka', instead of their scientific name. The same name is used in Japanese, in which it is pronounced ''manjushage''. 
:Some other legends have it that when you see someone that you may never meet again, these flowers, also called red spider lilies, would bloom along the path. Perhaps because of these sorrowful legends, Japanese people often used these flowers in funerals. The popular Japanese name {{nihongo|''Higanbana''|彼岸花|Higan bana}} for lycoris radiata literally means [[wikipedia:higan|higan]] (the other or that shore of [[wikipedia:Sanzu_River|Sanzu River]]) flower, decorate and enjoyable, flower of afterlife in {{nihongo|''gokuraku jyōdo''|極楽浄土|gokuraku jyōdo}}. 

====Interpretation====
The significance of red lillies is interpreted as the eternal separation of two friends/lovers; a relationship forced to be separated by obstacles, circumstances, and outside forces. This is interpreted as Homura's failure to reunite with Madoka as they are both doomed to fail to break the cycle of despair. The myth about the two lovers never meeting again, despite promising one another, reinforces the idea that to Homura, Madoka means more than just mere friendship.

=== Speculation Regarding the Infinite Symbol ===
While it could be a reference to Homura's time reset, it could have some connection to the [[wikipedia:Steady_State_theory|Steady State Theory]] (aka Infinite Universe).

The Theory is a model developed as an [[wikipedia:History_of_the_Big_Bang_theory#Big_Bang_theory_vs._Steady_State_theory|alternative]] to the [[wikipedia:Big_Bang|Big Bang Theory]]<ref>Fred Hoyle, a staunch supporter of the Steady State Theory, coined the term Big Bang in a radio broadcast to ridicule and contrast the difference between the two theories.[http://www.joh.cam.ac.uk/library/special_collections/hoyle/exhibition/radio/]</ref>, the idea is that the universe is not only infinite, but [[wikipedia:Perfect_cosmological_principle|it has always existed]] (so it doesn't have a beginning); the issue regarding entropy is of little consequence as new matter is created to solve the problem. While the Big Bang Theory suggests that not only does the universe [[wikipedia:Ex_nihilo|has a beginning]], but as it expands it will reach to an end (among many theories, [[wikipedia:Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe#Big_Freeze_or_heat_death|entropy plays a role in it]]): 

:"In 1948, some [[wikipedia:Hermann_Bondi|cosmologists]] [[wikipedia:Thomas_Gold|who were]] [[wikipedia:Fred_Hoyle|unhappy]] with the big bang proposed a radical new model of the universe, based on the idea that the universe was not only homogenous in space (a fundamental concept in most models of the universe) but in time. This means, as the universe expands and galaxies separate, new galaxies form to fill the gaps created. 

:This theory appealed to many, as it had none of the problems associated with the big bang - what preceded it, what caused it, and so forth. Furthermore, it explained most of the effects that the big bang did - the red-shift is explained by the expansion, the background radiation is the light from former stars red-shifted. Furthermore, the theory requires only a minor modification in the laws of relativity, and the rate of matter creation is too low to be observable in any case. 

:Observational evidence proved to be the undoing of the steady state theory. The number of quasars increases when looking back into the past, violating the perfect cosmological principle. Furthermore, as time is infinite, another intelligent species should already have colonized the observable universe, which is obviously not the case. 

:In terms of thermodynamics, the steady state theory resolves some problems and generates others. It allows the universe to have existed for an infinite time, because as entropy increases, more matter appears which increases the order again - the new matter is an inexhaustible supply of negative entropy. In the same way, this balancing of entropy with new matter could be the very reason for space's expansion. 

:However, the steady state theory breaks both [[wikipedia:First_law_of_thermodynamics|the first]] and [[wikipedia:Second_law_of_thermodynamics|second law of thermodynamics]] with the matter increases, although novel ways around the problem have been suggested - for example, the universe could be like a massive black hole, which absorbs extra matter when it expands. Even so, though, the matter increase is, to my mind, too small to balance the entropy increases caused by, for example, the stars burning. 

:The steady state theory flourished in the sixties, but today, few people believe it."[http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sbleas/creative/entropy/#11]

===Broken Tooth Symbolism===
In {{spoiler|The Rebellion Story}} the witch has a new appearance, and is clad in an ornate dress resembling Homura's magical girl outfit. While she initially retains her record player-like witch hat from the PSP game, she quickly discards it to reveal a giant spider lily that replaces the top half of her head. Teeth constantly fall from the spider lily, like water droplets or tears.

This relates to the biblical depiction of Bruxism as sinners wailing and gnashing their teeth in hell.

:It also preludes Homura's eventual transformation into a {{spoiler|demon}} since her witch represents {{spoiler|a sinner and she is the first magical girl to sin and rebel against}} {{spoiler|goddess Madoka}} declaring herself to be {{spoiler|a force of evil}}.

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:Homulilly.png|From the bonus Inu Curry gallery
File:PSP WitchKissAndGriefSeed Homulilly.jpg|Homulilly's witch kiss and grief seed in PSP theme.
File:Witch's Kiss Homulilly.png|Closer look
File:Bandai SoulGem GriefSeeds v3.jpg|Merchandises made by Bandai. The design picture of her grief seed is in lower right corner.
File:Ep1148349.jpg|Homulilly against [[Oktavia von Seckendorff]].
</gallery>

==Fanart==
<gallery>
File:Homulilly Scary.jpg
File:Homulillyfanart.jpg
File:Homulilywitchform fanart.jpg
File:27171738.jpg
File:Human Homulilly.jpg
File:ED Alternative.jpg
File:Homulilly Regrets.jpg|I couldn't save her, if only some miracle happened... but it's all over.
</gallery>

== Notes and references ==
<references />

=External Links=
[http://www.pixiv.net/tags.php?tag=Homulilly Homulilly pixiv fanart]
[[Category:Witches]]

The Rebellion Story/Spoiler

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== Spoilers ==
[[File:Summary of what happened from each character's perspective.png|thumb|right|150px|A decent summary of what happened from each character's perspective.]]
* Before the movie starts, it asks the audience to please not to make spoilers.
* [[Kyoko Sakura]] and [[Sayaka Miki]] live together
* [[Nagisa Momoe]] is [[Charlotte]].
* [[Hitomi Shizuki]] became a Nightmare and then was turned back into human form.
* [[Akemi Homura]] becomes something more powerful than "Madokami".
* For some reason at the end of the movie, besides Madoka (partially) and Homura, the only Mahou Shoujo who remembers everything that happened in the movie is Sayaka.
*Sayaka transforms into Oktavia and is able to control her witch form.
*Homura takes over Madoka's responsibilities and her powers, replacing the "Law of Cycles" with her own rules. Technically, Homura dethroned Madoka ending her era of reign, hence the title of "Rebellion".
*While Homura is addressed as the devil by fans/fansubs, the official translation for what Homura calls herself at the end of the movie is Demon, not Devil.
**Homura calls herself ''Akuma'' because she sees herself as a existence that opposes God. Considering that, the translation that fits the most is "devil."
**Demon in Japanese is 悪魔 which is read akuma. The Japanese word akuma means "Demon, Devil; Fiend; Satan; Evil spirit" and is composed of the kanji 悪 (read aku) meaning "evil; bad; wrong" and 魔 (read ma) meaning "witch; demon; evil spirit".

== Observation ==
[[File:Rebellion Explanation Chart.jpg|thumb|250px|This chart explains the plot of the movie.]]
*Just like in the Anime series, Kyubey's greed and plan backfired spectacularly. He tried to capture Madoka with a barrier of his own (after being told of her existence by Homura), but instead it helped Homura to become a much more powerful entity in the process.
*Looking back, "[[Magia]]" lyrics takes a much darker undertone.
**Homura's greedy yearning has no tomorrow.
**Homura's desire for a spell to fight the "sorrow" before her eyes [Madoka's selflessness].
**Madoka is a dreaming memory, only Homura is awake.
**Homura wants an endless dream for both of them.
**Homura's wish literally becomes everything in the new universe.
*Colourful (カラフル ''[[Colorful|karafuru]]'') by ClariS, gives us a hint of what is to come:
**four girls dancing and having fun
**Homura won't join in
**only reaches her hand to grasp Madoka's
**Madoka's hand turns to sand, Homu stands alone in a desert area with a throne
**[[:file:Unknown op homura rebellion.jpg|Devil's earring]] sinking in the sand (?)
*[[Homulilly]]'s appearance in ''Rebellion'' differs greatly from her original appearance in the PSP game. She appears as a huge, distorted version of Homura, with the upper half of her head replaced by a red spider lily. Her minions are twisted versions of the pigtailed Homura from the first few timelines, armed with spears. The long ribbons of the witch's dress act as flexible arms, attacking everything around her.
**The witch's hands are in manacles, and a giant guillotine rises from the ground when she begins to head towards the city. It appears that the witch is trying to reach the guillotine so she can sacrifice herself, which would free everyone else from her witch barrier. This is foreshadowed by an image of Mami and Kyoko beheading Homura in a similar guillotine as she begins to transform into Homulilly.
**The witch initially appears wearing a stereotypical witch's hat which resembles a record player, possibly as a reference to her PSP appearance, but quickly discards it to reveal the red spider lily underneath.
**Red spider lilies also appear when Homura realises she has become a witch.
**The witch has two additional types of minions: minions that resemble human girls (possibly representing fallen magical girls, they were much stronger than other minions in battle) and purple bird-like minions. Interestingly, these minions can still be seen in the new universe, and Homura still seems to be able to control them to an extent. It's unclear why Homura chose to keep her minions, since she claims she is no longer a witch.
**Homura appears to be masking the true forms of her minions in the new universe; in one scene Kyoko is seen feeding apples to the bird-like minions, apparently believing them to be normal birds.
*Sayaka is the only character (apart from Homura) who retains the memories of the previous world.
**In the MadoVerse of the anime series, Sayaka was allowed to retain her memories so she could express her opinion and pass away peacefully with no regrets. In the version of the HomuVerse in "Rebellion" Sayaka is allowed to retain her memories (and her life) so she can express her displeasure and opinion against Homura's actions.
*Prior to the movie events and at the beginning of the anime series, the universe was first 'Atheistic' (the Mahou Shoujo system was in place and there was no concept of hope, it was ruled by despair), after the anime series ended the universe went to a transformation and became 'Monoistic' (Madoka became the concept of hope and put in place the Law of Cycles). "Rebellion" expands the universe by transforming it once again, and introducing a 'Dualism' system in place. If Madoka represents the concept of hope (selfless love), then Homura represent the concept of love (selfish love).
**However, the system is neither equal nor fair. Madoka's powers are repressed and she is a prisoner in the new reality, indicating that these two powers cannot rule equally. There can only be one ruling entity, which is why Homura tells Madoka that they are [[:file:Homucifer Vs Madokami.jpg|enemies.]]
*If the message from the anime series, was a message of hope. Then message from "Rebellion" is its opposite.
**Urobuchi wasnt kidding when he said fans would hate the new ending, [[:file:2 people before and after watched Madoka movie.jpg|look what it did to these fans.]]
**In the MadoVerse, the message was one of hope, Madoka allowed the universe to retain their free will and she respected the wishes of magical girls so as not to rob them of their sacrifice, the world was not prefect but it was much better than under the old system. But the HomuVerse is assumed to be the opposite. It is deceptively peaceful and happy, Homura was only able to create this universe by robbing Madoka of her free will, erasing her memory, and denying Madoka's wish of salvation thus rending Madoka's message of hope meaningless. Not only that but for Homura to be able to sustain this new reality, she extended her barrier to cover the whole universe, probably as a way to have it under her influence to guarantee that it doesn't create a reason for Madoka to sacrifice herself again.
*Some observers think that at the end Homura is slightly going mad, that it is the beginning of her descend into madness.
*The BGM played in each girl's transformation sequence references a song from the original soundtrack:
**Mami: Salve, terrae magicae
**Kyouko: Venari strigas
**Sayaka: Decretum
**Homura: Inevitabilis
**Madoka: Sagitta luminis
*There are a lot of [[wikipedia:Grimms'_Fairy_Tales|Grimm Fairy Tales]] allusions:
**Homura as Sleeping Beauty.
**The pumpkin carriage
**The clock struck at 12.
*''"God is dead"'' is a widely quoted statement by German philosopher [[wikipedia:Friedrich_Nietzsche|Friedrich Nietzsche]].
*According with Shinbou, the Madoka inside Homura's world is the real Madoka, ''"who has lost her memories of becoming a god. She’s not a fake or Homura’s creation. What she says in the field of flowers is what she’s really feeling at the time. That scene may seem overly sentimental at first glance, but if you think of everything Homura does afterward, her feelings will come across more easily."''[http://feral-phoenix.livejournal.com/685568.html#|]
*At the bus station there are signs written in runes, [[:file:Rebellion Runes - 011113 - sign.jpg|they mention the Nutcracker]]. A possible reference to [[wikipedia:The_Nutcracker_and_the_Mouse_King|The Nutcracker and the Mouse King]], a 19th century German story by E. T. A. Hoffman.
**As the Nutcracker Witch, Homully has no teeth or her teeth are familiars that chew for her. In dream interpretation, falling teeth has several significant meanings:[http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/teethdreams.pl?method=exact&header=dreamid&search=teethintro]
***It reflects anxiety, a fear of rejection, sexual impotence or the consequences of getting old. Another interpretation is that teeth are used to bite, tear, chew and gnaw. In this regard, teeth symbolize power. And the loss of teeth in a dream may be from a sense of powerlessness.
***A scriptural interpretation for bad or falling teeth indicates that one is putting one's faith, trust, and beliefs in what humans thinks, rather than in the word of God.
***Many cultures, including the Hispanic and Greek cultures, believe that when you dream about loose, rotten, falling, or missing teeth, then it indicates that a family member or close friend is very sick or even near death.
**It is possible that teeth may be a reference to the [[:wikipedia:Tooth_fairy|Tooth Fairy]]. Unlike Santa Claus and, to a lesser extent, the Easter Bunny, there are few details of the tooth fairy's appearance that are consistent in various versions of the myth. Usually in the West the tooth fairy is depicted as female, a type a fairy with wings. However, in Spanish and Hispanic American cultures the role of the tooth fairy is relegated to the [[:wikipedia:Ratoncito_Pérez|Ratoncito Pérez]] (or Ratón Pérez, "Pérez Mouse" in English)) that originated in Madrid in 1894. As is traditional in some English-speaking countries, when a child loses a tooth it is customary for him or her to place it under the pillow, so that Ratoncito Pérez will exchange it for a gift. The tradition is almost universal in Spanish cultures, but takes different forms in different areas. One of the roles of Homulilly's familiars is to kill "the white rat" (which is Kyubey), perhaps this is a reference to the Ratoncito Pérez.
**The nuts could be a reference to Grief Seeds, as they look like nuts.
**Homulilly's familiars are called "Clara dolls", Clara is the lead character's name in most of [[:wikipedia:The_Nutcracker|The Nutcracker]] ballet versions and there is the reference to [[:file:Witches Artwork 04.jpg|killing rats]] in one of the familiar's card.
***[[:file:Nutcracker set designs.jpg|A relevant set]] from that play by [[:wikipedia:E. T. A. Hoffmann|E. T. A. Hoffmann]]

== Speculation ==
[[File:Map of the changed timelines or worlds raw.jpg|right|thumb|Map of the new world]]
*Homura becomes the opposite existence of Madoka.
**The new entity known as Homura is neither a magical girl nor a Witch. She is neither the product of hope/wish nor despair, she is the product of love.
***According with Homura, it was not grief that stained her Soul Gem, it was love, because her mind was always focused on Madoka.
*Some observers suggest that the ending theme "Your Silver Garden" (君の銀の庭 ''[[Kimi no Gin no Niwa]]'') is about Homura and her reasons that she betrayed Madoka.
**''"The guardian/of your young slumber—/The gateway to adulthood is tightly shut"'', this is interpreted as Homura's refusal to grow up and her attempt to her childish sleep.
**''"Have you realized/that the truth/always lies in the past?/All futures and hope/are but a selfish story/envisioned by someone in a distant garden"'', this is interpreted to mean that the future is uncertain and unknown, that the past is much more pleasing.
**''"Stay softly with me,/please don't leave me/Chirp your song by my window,/even in loss"'', this is interpreted as Homura telling Madoka not to go, even if she becomes her prisoner.
*It is speculated that even when a magical girl becomes a witch, she still has her consciousness, although such consciousness is distorted and has much difference from the reality.
*There were numerous references to a "black salamander/lizard" motive throughout the movie, with the most obvious being Homura's earring shaped as a black lizard.
**One of the most common myths about lizards is that they symbolize death and resurrection.
**In Christian ideology the lizard is a more ambivalent symbol. All reptiles can be viewed as paler versions of the potent symbol represented by the snake or serpent. Taken alone on it's own merits the lizard is said to represent "contemplative ecstasy"[http://www.hennapage.com/journal/issue_I/article_2/page2.html]
**The salamander represents those who pass through the fires of passion and of this world without stain. Therefore, it stands for chastity, loyalty, impartiality, virginity, courage, Jesus, Mary, and the faithful. The salamander is also used to symbolize the flames, which it passes through, and so is a symbol of fire, temptation, and burning desire. It was considered the "king of fire" and as such was representative of Christ who would baptize with the flames of the Holy Spirit. Cloquet considers Christ the salamander king of fire because he passed through the fires of hell after his crucifixion without harm.[http://monsters.monstrous.com/salamander.htm] It should be noted Homura's name can be translated as "flame".
**Some prevalent symbolism of the salamander include:[http://www.symbolic-meanings.com/2008/03/04/light-my-fire-symbolism-of-the-salamander/]
***Energy
***Courage
***Renewal
***Determination
***Resurrection
***Balance
***Adaptation
***Spirituality
**The salamander gets it solar animal status from several sources. Primarily, we see this aspect in ancient alchemical illustrations where the salamander is depicted in flames. Alchemists held the salamander to be a fire-eater and able to quench fire with its cool, moist body. In the alchemical philosophy, anything that had the power to transform something into something else was hugely important.
***Furthermore, early Christianity held the salamander as a symbol of spiritual integrity, chastity, and righteousness. The sign of the salamander indicated true faith, and the ability to survive the “fire of temptation.”
****Medieval and heraldic art depicted the salamander as a symbol for bravery. It was often painted in the background of heroic portraits to indicate the mark of courage.
*Remember Homura's original wish? ''"I want to redo my meeting with Madoka. But this time, instead of her protecting me, I want to become strong enough to protect her!"''
**Originally it was interpreted as the wish that allowed Homura to travel back in time to redo her meeting with Madoka, it also meant that there was a role reversal with Homura becoming stronger and active while Madoka became a weaker character and took a more passive role. That was the original intent. However, with the new ending in "Rebellion", the meaning and purpose of Homura's wish takes a new role and it probably expands its meaning. If we consider the ending of the series, one can make the argument that Homura's wish was only partially fulfilled but that in the end it failed, because Homura failed to protect Madoka. Not only from stopping Madoka from becoming a Witch, but also from stopping her from taken the burden of becoming the concept of hope, as a result one can say that Homura's wish went unfulfilled and it was a failure. Until the end of "Rebellion" that is, in the movie we see that Homura's wish has finally come to its conclusion by allowing Homura to become a new entity whose role is to protect and guard Madoka's happiness, at the expense of the Law of Cycles and against Madoka's wishes. A clear proof that the role reversal is finally complete is when Madoka is introduced as a shy transfer student and Homura shows her around the school, a complete reversal from the original series.
***If one thinks about it, Kyubey has been done in not by one but by two wishes!
***You could say that Homura just did what Madoka asked her to do. The reason that Homura became a magical girl was because she wanted to protect Madoka. In the 2nd timeline, Madoka even asked her to stop her foolish self from becoming a magical girl. In the last timeline she failed, and Madoka became a god-like entity. At the end, Homura returns everything to 'normal' so she kept her promise, more or less. Whatever reality looks like, Madoka is now safe from QB and from despair.
*If the anime series was based on "Faust", then "Rebellion" could be based somewhat on "Paradise Lost".
*It is speculated that the reason Homura made Madoka human again is because Madoka was not happy with being the entity of hope, she only did it out of duty.
**Another possible explanation, is that Homura feared what would Kyubey do if he succeeded in capturing Madoka, the best way to deal with him was for Homura and Madoka to switch, taking Madoka's power and Making Homura the new ruling entity of the universe.
*It is also speculated that by making Madoka as transfer student, Homura may have a chance to get closer to Madoka more than Sayaka was. Remember, Sayaka and Madoka had been childhood friends long before in EVERY Timeline, and Homura was only a transferred student to Madoka.
** Also Homura may have tried to improve Madoka's English since she got bad grades in previous timelines.
*Since Madoka can see and know the past, present, and future, she should have known this was going to happen to her.
**It is possible she allowed for things to unfold as it was predestined to happen.
***Another possible explanation is that perhaps Madoka really wanted to be a normal girl again.
***Or perhaps Madoka saw no other way to save Homura.
***It's also possible that losing her memories of the event right afterwards created a blank spot in her future sight.
*** There's another possible explanation. Madoka exists at every point in space and time. However, the moment Homura grabs her breaks time and space and changes the past and future. In other words, even from Madoka's omniscient perspective Homura grabbing at the critical moment hasn't happened yet.
*Homura ([[Homulilly]]) maybe have a connection to [[wikipedia:Lilith|Lilith]], from the Old Testament[http://cishet.tumblr.com/post/65623363997/happy-halloween-lets-talk-about-homulily].
**Lilith is a pre-Christian, Babylonian demon, the most powerful of all succubus, who seduces man, deceives women, and steals children. She, working alongside with the incubus, impregnates mortals to propagate a new race call cambion. Christianity identifies the Lilith with the snake of the Garden of Eden, and also as Adam's first wife in an effort to reconcile the two origin stories in Genesis.
*By making Madoka a transfer student, Madoka's and Sayaka's childhood friendship never took place to develop. How will this affect their current relationship is hard to say.
** Various materials have established that Sayaka and Madoka were childhood friends. While it's likely that they would have still been friends as children in Homura's new world, Madoka moving to America probably strained their friendship.
*To protect Madoka and her secrets Homura wanted to die, so she tried to prevent Madoka from purifying her Soul Gem as it would mean that Kyubey would be able to observe and learn of Madoka's secrets and her powers so they could control her in the future.
**If Homura in her Witch form were to die inside the barrier, theoretically Homulilly's barrier would collapse and that would free Madoka and company from Homura's dream world.
*During the scene with the field of flowers, Madoka is trying to braid Homura's hair back into Homura's old hair style, perhaps an attempt to regress Homura back into her innocent and shy self.
**Homura gives back to Madoka her red ribbon, not only as a sign of returning something precious to her, but perhaps it is an attempt to reclaim back the old Madoka from the past, a regular and normal girl.
***In the ending scene, this gesture signifies Homura's realization that she cannot control Madoka regardless of whatever world she creates that they can be together and that her actions, which led to her descent into darkness, will inevitably lead to a struggle between them. This is a reverse mirror of the actions of Madoka trying to braid Homura's hair in the witch world, an attempt at conformity and acceptance of peace and harmony albeit constructed and false, except that with Homura tying Madoka's hair with the red ribbon she is restoring her true identity. Homura also acknowledges this by commenting that the red ribbons "really do look best on you" (a symbol of Madoka's true self) as compared to the yellow ribbons (her false identity created by Homura). Viewers should note that she cries when stating this, knowing that eventually Madoka will break away from the world and become her enemy. The final scene after the credits shows Homura smiling at her transformed Soul Gem (her new identity as an antithesis to Madoka) upon realizing that her wish to always be with Madoka has come true albeit in a cruel twisted fashion. Madoka who represents light and Homura who represents darkness are now natural opposing forces in the universe.
*During the post-credit sequence the Moon is missing half of its part (notice the light of the stars shining where they shouldnt be), the moon is physically cut off somehow. Indicating that something is amiss.
**At the same scene, at the top of a cliff we see [[:file:Chairs rebellion.png|Homura sitting on a single chair]], the scene is similar to the Opening of Madoka Magica movies ([[Luminous]]). But instead, just like the moon, we only see half of the field and only a single chair, with no Madoka next to Homura.
* In the post-credits Kyubey emerges from some plants, looking healthy. Homura pulls out her gem and they start dancing. When we next see Kyubey he looks disheveled and even seems to be quivering, suggesting that Homura has somehow affected his mind. It's possible that Homura is actually placing all the curses and despair of the world onto Kyubey, both as revenge and to ensure that the curses cannot affect anyone else. One might say Kyubey is finally paying for all the things he has done.

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===Fallen Angel Homura:===
Since Homura declares to Madoka that they are enemies, this makes her her opponent as Homura opposes Madoka's will and her wishes. One can view this as Homura fallen into the role of the devil for going against what Madoka believes to be right.

'''Satan in Judaism:''' The original Hebrew term, satan, is a noun from a verb meaning primarily to, “obstruct, oppose,”. Satan is traditionally translated as “the accuser,” or “the adversary.” In Judaism, Satan is a term used since its earliest biblical contexts, to refer to a human opponent. Thus, Satan is personified as a character in three different places, serving as an accuser, a seducer, or as a heavenly persecutor who is "among the sons of God". In any case, Satan is always subordinate to the power of God, having a role in the divine plan.

'''Satan in Christianity:''' Christian tradition and theology changed "Satan" from an accuser appointed by God to test men's faith to God's godlike fallen opponent: "the Devil". Traditionally, Christians have understood the Devil to be the author of lies and promoter of evil'. However, the Devil can go no further than the word of Christ the Logos allows, [[wikipedia:Problem_of_evil#Christianity|resulting in the problem of evil']].

As Lucifer's or Satan's motive for rebelling and as the nature of his sin, Christian writers mention pride against God or, less often, envy of humanity created in the image of God. According to Tertullian the Devil was jealous of humans, created in the divine image and given authority over the world, and an 18th-century French Capuchin preacher, citing Tertullian and Augustine as giving envy as the motive for the fall, describes the Rebel Angel as jealous of Adam's exaltation, which he saw as a diminution of his own status.

'''Satan in Islam''': In Islam the Devil is known as Iblīs or Shayṭān, it has no name corresponding in meaning to that of the Latin word lucifer. Iblis is banished from heaven for refusing to prostrate himself before Adam. Thus, he sins after the creation of man. He then swears revenge by tempting human beings and turning them away from God. While in Judaism and Christianity, Satan is a fallen angel, Iblis is a jinn. Muslims believe that angels are the servants of God and cannot disobey him, but jinn, like men, can choose to obey or disobey.

'''Luciferianism''': Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the essential characteristics that are affixed to Lucifer. The tradition, influenced by Gnosticism, usually reveres Lucifer not as the Devil, but as a liberator or guiding spirit, or even the true god as opposed to Jehovah. Satanic groups have various opinions about Satan, ranging from the conviction that he exists and ought to be worshipped, to Anton Szandor LaVey's symbolic interpretation, which emphasizes individual will and pleasure-seeking.

====The Comparison to Lucifer====
While the comparison between Homura and the devil/Lucifer seems inevitable, we have to avoid the temptation of falling into the false logic that the comparison is without its flaws.

Jealousy

In one story it is stated that Lucifer was jealous of the human race, that they were not worthy and undeserving of God's love.

The argument states that Homura has done a lot for Madoka, sacrificing so much for her, and helping her ascend into a higher plane existence. As a result, Homura should be worthy of Madoka's love and praise. The reason that Homura sacrificed so much for Madoka is because she loves her. Homura put ups with so much suffering because of her, yet Madoka, instead of reciprocating Homura's feelings, she cannot help but to love everyone equally. As a result Madoka avoids picking up favorites. The argument is that Homura was jealous of Madoka's unconditional love for everyone, and this lead us to assume that Homura believes herself to be worthy of being Madoka's favorite and explains the reason why Homura went against Madoka's wishes.

However, this argument has a terrible flaw. It assumes that Homura's actions were driven by jealousy, yet there is no indication that this is the case. While is true that Madoka loves everyone equally, and perhaps Homura wished for Madoka to be a bit more selfish and stop thinking about others at the expense of her own self, there is no indication of jealousy against anyone. Homura didnt expect special treatment from Madoka, she was quite happy with Madoka's relationship already (except when there was a distance between them that took place because of the time reset in the anime series). If anything, Homura wanted Madoka to be able to live happily for her own sake at the expense of abandoning her duties and obligations toward others.

Pride

Lucifer was the first of Angels and chief among them, Archangel Michael was only second to him, Lucifer's devotion to God was not only driven by love but also by pride. God's love for humanity was troubling for Lucifer, for he couldnt comprehend why such an inferior creature should receive such equal love and worthy praise from God, as if making them equals to him. As a result of this friction Lucifer rebelled.

However, just like the jealousy argument the pride argument falls flat. While is true that Homura became stronger to please Madoka, she also did it to help her out of pure devotion to her, not out of pride. Not only that, but Homura's devotion for Madoka never turned her into an arrogant or prideful character. There may have been moments of something like pride and moments of stubbornness, but nothing to indicate to be egotistical in nature. When Homura's goal felt short, she did not despair out of arrogance nor she boasted hubris in her accomplishments. Instead she was too focused on Madoka and her well being.

Disobedience

This argument seems to fit with the Lucifer argument, that Lucifer went against God's wishes, that he went against God's plan for humanity, so did Homura and as result it makes them to be the same. But this argument seems to overlook motive behind Homura's actions. Lucifer's actions were driven by personal ambition, pride, or even jealousy, as stated previously. But Homura's motives behind her actions are the opposite, she did it because she cared for Madoka too much, she wanted to free Madoka from the burdens of being a prisoner to her duties and her devotion and love for others. She also did it to protect Madoka from Kyubey, the complete opposite of Lucifer's intentions. The only reason Homura is Madoka's enemy is because of their opposite views about what is best for Madoka.

Devil's advocate

Homura's motivations and beliefs don't demonstrate a pattern of similar behavior to that of Lucifer's. Lucifer was jealous of humans; Homura wasn't jealous of anyone. Lucifer was boastful, prideful, and arrogant; Homura was stubborn, and she never surrendered under pressure but only because she did it for Madoka's sake, not for her own interest. Homura disagreed with Madoka's plan because it came down to sacrificing Madoka's happiness for everyone else's. The problem with the Lucifer comparison is that the concept is too broad with some of the elements. It has similarities but the minor details tells a different story. Lucifer was a selfish and jealous angel/demon, and he wanted to take God down so he could rule in his stead, ''"Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven."'' God's happiness was never a factor. Other than dethroning Madoka, going against her wishes, and perhaps loving her too much, the comparison seems to be a bit unfair but understandable.

=== Homura's State of Mind ===
Homura's personality and mental state has radically changed by the end of the film. There are several speculations as to why or how it happened.

'''Corruption of the mind:''' During the transition process from a human/magical girl into what it is now a new entity, Homura's mind became corrupted or altered during the transformation process. Homura is not human, she is not a magical girl, she is not even a Witch, she something completely different, as a result this is a different Homura.

'''Mental Stress:''' Considering Homura's mental state prior to the movie, it is surprising that she hasn't suffered from a complete mental breakdown before. Homura saw her friends die countless times, had to repeat an endless nightmarish cycle through time and space, almost lost her life countless times, and then she was forced to part away from Madoka, the person she sacrificed everything for, let us not forget prior to being a magical girl Homura was riddled with insecurities, (possible) family abandonment, a weak physical body, and being bullied in school. Add that with the torture she had to go through under Kyubey's experiment, and it becomes clear that it was probably too much for an already fragile mind.

'''Homura's Insecurities and fears:''' While Homura presents herself to be strong and compose, inside she is still that weak and insecure little girl, she always was. Homura was always wearing a mask to keep the appearance and impression that she has things under control. In the anime series we saw moments when Homura's strong exterior felt apart momentarily. It is those fears that are driving Homura to take drastic measures, the fear of losing Madoka again and she believes that the only way to guarantee Madoka's happiness is by taking control of the situation.

'''Natural Progression:''' Homura is a survivalist, she adapts to the situation as it suits her, when she was weak she looked up to Madoka for inspiration and help, when she lost Madoka she tried to become stronger to protect her. Now that she is a powerful entity, she believes it is her responsibility and duty to take matters with her own hands.

'''The Real Homura all along:''' Rather than power corrupting one person, it is suggested that power actually reveals ones true self. Perhaps what we are witnessing is Homura's true nature. Homura used to be a weak girl, bullied by classmates and dependent on the kindness of others. Now that she is an all powerful being, unrestrained by human weakness or limitation, she is allowed to do anything she wants, and probably what she always wanted to do but was afraid to do so.

===Gone mad from the revelation?===
Another possibility is that Homura is not really evil but actually found something about Madoka that drove her off the deep end.

If you remember clearly, Madoka's wish was to erase all witches from existence before they're even born, in the universe, from the past and the future, with my her own hands. Hence Madoka became an entity who removed from existence all magical girls who became witches and placed them in another dimension of her own.

There is a catch, however, Madoka never wished she would take their souls to another dimension.

This whole movie took place inside an entire reality created inside Homura's soul gem, a barrier which reflected her ideal world where everything happened in the way she dreamed of and which began to crumble once she realized she had been living a farse threatening her friends. In other words, Homura experienced what it's like to be an oblivious god living in a world made by your wishes until you realize your own folly and crumbles in despair.

This is were things get worse, the moment Madoka was restored and came to take her soul, Homura realized that Madoka wasn't just erasing witches, she was absorving the souls of all witches into her barrier '''HEAVEN''' and living in her own fake world rid of misfortune. This is why all witches in the movie could retain their consciousness and switch into magical girls, because their grief was erased by Madoka's barrier which gave them an "afterlife" free of suffering.

It was that cruel realization, that Madoka's wish of hope only trapped her in a false happiness of godhood, which broke Homura utterly and made her change into a dark deity hellbent on suppressing Madoka's wish.

If Homura could remake the '''MORTAL WORLD''' into something free of witches and suffering, then Madoka would think that Homura's world was already heaven and wouldn't try to become a saviour at the expense of her own sacrifice.

Considering the lengths Homura goes to protect Madoka, it would make perfect sense if she was willing to trade Madoka's love for her ire and disapproval if that meant not letting Madoka ever realize she became a lotus eater machine for every magical girl who died.

*this would imply the entire post-series pre-rebellion universe is Madoka's barrier, for her to be able to take the despair of magical girls despite being outside of her heaven.
*However Madoka destroyed her witch self, as her wish to erase all witches includes herself, this theory would depend upon a God's haven working in a similar way to a witches' barrier or Homura believing they do. Sayaka seemed to remember exactly what happened to her where as Homura's lotus eater machine messed with people's memories.
**So far there was no evidence of witches erasing the memories of people who came to their barrier at any point until Homulilly, even then so, Ultimate Madoka is clearly something else than a witch, like Homura she is something above witches and magical girls but instead of creating a barrier geared towards making reality her playground she made her "space" outside the real world for the sake of giving rest and healing to the soul of all meguka. What drives the corrupted Homura insane is the fact Madoka is not aware she makes this heaven regardless of her own personal happiness, she is being driven by her '''merciful''' nature to guide all of these souls to her blissful barrier were they no longer suffer, unaware if that's her personal choice or just a cursed existence ignorant to her self-imposed enslavement.

===Junko's Words of Wisdom:===
In [[Episode 6]] of Madoka Magica, Madoka has a problem. She wants to help Sayaka, but she doesn't know how. She believes Sayaka is on the right, but the more Sayaka tries to do the right thing, the worst it is for her because it doesn't cause her happiness. When Madoka confides this to her mom, Junko advices Madoka to ''[[Madoka_Magica_Episode_6:_This_Just_Isn%27t_Right#Observations|"do something wrong"]]'' to balance things out. According with Junko, someone needs to be in the right, and someone needs to be in the wrong.

If we take Junko's words at heart, the heart of the matter in "Rebellion" reveals itself. Madoka as the concept of hope is burdened with responsibilities that go beyond for a little girl to handle, Madoka is separated from her family, she is not allowed to grow up normally into healthy adulthood. Instead she is forced to accept adult responsibilities at such a young age, and she must carry the burdens of the whole universe by herself, alone. But Madoka wont abandon her new role nor will she allow the universe to be in a chaotic state. As a result Madoka is, rather than a savior of the universe, a prisoner to her responsibilities, or at least that seems to be how Homura sees it. It is possible that Homura wants to give a happy ending to Madoka, ''"but you can't expect a happy ending just by doing what's right all the time."''

Homura realizes that in order to protect Madoka, and the world that she loves, Homura must act in a way that is not nice/pleasant to outside observers, ''"even if it's not the nicest way to do it."'' Since Madoka wont abandon her duties as Ultimate Madoka and her role within the universe that she watches over, she will never experience a normal life as long as she is bound by duty and her noble sentiment. This is the source that causes Madoka to sacrifice her life and her happiness for the greater good, a noble act but one that Homura understands doesn't bring happiness to Madoka, even if Madoka wont admit it herself. Homura ''"has to be in the wrong to balance out [Madoka's] need to be in the right."'' It is for this reason that Homura takes such a treacherous and drastic action against Madoka, realizing that there is no other way to help her.

Homura warns Madoka that they may become enemies someday because she doesn't know if Madoka will ever come to understand Homura's choice. ''"She may or may not. Especially at first. [...] it might not be the nicest way to do it. But would [Homura] rather give up on her, or give [Madoka] the wrong idea about [her]?"'' Homura would never give up on Madoka, so she accepts the latter as a possible consequence of her actions.

In conclusion, Homura acted out of selfish desire to make Madoka happy, because Madoka's was trying to make everyone happy but herself.

===Alternate, Non-Dualist Theory===

It is possible that the focus on dualism and the idea of Homura becoming a Lucifer-like figure is fundamentally misunderstanding what happened in the ending of The Rebellion Story. There are somewhat obvious problems with the idea of dualism- for one, in the new universe, Madokami doesn't appear to have any real power. In order for dualism to truly exist, both opposing forces must have equal power, this is clearly not the case. Akuma Homura essentially just overthrew the existing order, but absorbed Madokami within her, imprisoning her along with the entire universe in her witch's barrier, which really ceases to be one once it covers the whole universe.

First, we need to step back and look at what Homura actually did. She created a new world that was presumably peaceful and stable, there are no magical girls who fight endlessly into inevitable despair, and presumably she can twist the world to eliminate the curses that need to be fought. She takes all the despair into herself. Recall that Homura's first real questioning of her own fake Mitakihara was "can we really continue fighting forever?" That world is how it is because endless fighting is all Homura really knows, and by questioning it she ultimately questions all she's ever known. She constructed the fake Mitakihara as an ideal world initially- one where magical girls could continue to fight evil with no real negative consequences, thus still giving them their wishes and purpose. She then rebels against this notion, tearing down her own vision of utopia because she no longer sees it that way, she wants a world without magical girls.

Now we can go back farther before the movie and look at what Madoka actually did. She never pursued or was granted the powers of an actual omnipotent god, she never looked to rewrite the entire universe. Technically, she doesn't even fully gets rid of witches, she just absorbs the despair into herself and allows the magical girls to pass away peacefully without becoming monsters and corrupting others. But that is the extent of her power, and even she is not immune from despair and corruption, indeed we see Madokami's witch attempting to devour the world, but Madokami was able to save herself just as she was able to save everyone else. Curses and negative feelings still exist at the same levels they did before, they just now manifest into Wraiths, which can be interpreted as the raw manifestation of negative feelings rather than corruptions of magical girls. The most important thing here is that all the laws of the universe that existed long before Madokami are still intact after Madoka's wish.

Now recall perhaps the biggest revelation in the new movie: the Incubators were obviously unsatisfied with the power attained from the wraiths, and after seeing the truth about witches within Homura, it was the Incubators first that sought Madokami's power, either to take her power or destroy her so they could go back to the more lucrative witch system. This is the detail that makes Homura's decision-making much less confusing, and in fact, completely understandable. As she breaks out of the prison with the help of the others, and Madokami comes down to take her to Valhalla, she knows she cannot let that happen. Why? Because she knows what they don't: the Incubators are after Madoka. They will continue to experiment and to pervert existing magical girls as they did with her in order to find a way to destroy Madoka. So, she uses her last remaining strength to usurp Madoka, take her power, and imprison her. Why? It's quite simple, and Homura states it explicitly: love.

The one constant throughout the entire series is that Homura loves Madoka, and her wish was one that ensure that she would be able to protect her. Indeed, that is her singular purpose in life to protect Madoka at literally any cost- even if it means becoming the demon that usurps her power, even if it means becoming her enemy. She had to find a way to end the Incubators and their schemes once and for all, even if it meant having to hurt Madoka and imprison her in the new universe, which bends to no rules but Homura's. And, recalling Sayoktavia's words from earlier in the movie: is an entity which creates a paradise like this truly one that is bad, and should be opposed? Homura sees herself as a devil-like figure, and of course she would, doing what she did despairs her greatly, but it needed to be done in order to protect Madoka. But is she truly bad, or Devil-like for creating a world without curses? Was it truly madness or insanity that drove her to do it, or was she thinking more clearly and logically than anyone else?

Ultimately, it brings us to one thesis: Just as Madoka had to become a magical girl to reach her ends of eliminating the suffering and corruption of magical girls, Homura had to become a witch to protect that system, to suffer forever for the sake of keeping the universe stable. There is dualism, but yet there is not, there is only Homura, using the power of Madoka's sacrifice to finally stabilize things and create her own true vision of utopia.

Where it goes from here depends on whether a sequel eventually will come. It could end in that state, with Homura maintaining the universe in her order. It might end in a way that allows both the existence of Madoka and Homura to merge- or perhaps they will both finally be able to pass and have their existences end, as all things do.

===Bhuddism and Mara (with a bit of Gnosticism)===
The original ''Madoka Magica'' anime had [http://mlpomo.blogspot.com/2013/08/latin-latin-madoka-more-latin-puella.html Bhuddist] [http://listlessink.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/birth-of-a-goddess-madokas-path-to-nirvana-a-study-of-buddhism/ themes] that might be missed by any viewers that are unfamiliar with the concepts presented.

In [[Madoka Magica Portable]], [[Homulilly]] is described as the witch of "Shigan". Shigan is a Bhuddist concept that basically means the mortal world humans live in. It's opposite is [[wikipedia:Higan|Higan]], which represents the afterlife or Enlightenment. In other words, Homulilly is an existence opposed to Madoka (who represents salvation from suffering).

In Bhuddist mythology there is a deity named [[wikipedia:Mara_(demon)|Mara]]. Often described as a devil or demon, he is closer to the [[wikipedia:Demiurge|Demiurge]] in Gnostic Christianity. Mara represents temptation and desire - in other words, anti-enlightenment. (On a possibly not so coincidental note, [[wikipedia:Mara_(folklore)|Mara]] is also the name of a creature from Germanic folklore that is the origin of the word "Nightmare".) In ''Rebellion'', Homura evokes Mara when she creates an illusory, perfect world out of her own desires that traps others within it (following the Bhuddist concept of the world as an illusion). Then, at the end of the movie, Homura absorbs Madoka and remakes the world, with Madoka reincarnated as a normal girl. In a Buddhist interpretation, Homura took a [[wikipedia:Bodhisattva|Bodhisattva]] away from Enlightenment and trapped her in the mortal world. Not only is this ''really bad'' by Buddhist terms, Homura also did it out of her selfish desire for Madoka. In Buddhism, desire is one of the sources of all suffering.

To summarize, Homura is Mara (or the Demiurge) keeping Madoka - who is more or less Bhudda (or the Gnostic [[wikipedia:Sophia_(Gnosticism)|Sophia]]) - trapped in the mortal world, where is she ignorant of her true nature. As the Mara figure, Homura will do whatever she can to keep Madoka in the mortal world, but the only way for anyone to achieve true salvation is if Madoka awakens and breaks Homura's illusion.

[http://mlpomo.blogspot.com/2013/12/spoiler-filled-review-madoka-magica-3.html?m=1| Read this for more detail.]

===Sayaka and the comparison to Archangel Michael===
*In Hebrew, Michael's name means "''who is like God?''". In a literal way, Sayaka's nature is like Madoka's: a being that exists on a different plane of existence.
*Through the ages, Michael is always armed with a sword (Sayaka's weapon badge).
*Sayaka's last name (Miki) it may be a derivation of the arabic word ''Mikhail''.
*Michael is always portrayed to be the opposite of Lucifer, either for the love of God or conflicts in their ways of thinking; in almost all media published in Madoka Magica series, Sayaka and Homura are shown in conflict with each other, primarily in regard to Madoka' safety.

===Attack on Fandom (Or Fanwork Creators are Evil)===
There have been many accusations that ''Rebellion'' is primarily about pandering to the fanbase. Indeed, much of ''Rebellion'''s story reflects common trends in fandom. However, are they pandering to the fans, or are they parodying them?

Consider that the movie opens with a world common in fanworks ([[Drama_CD_2|and some]] [[Madoka_Magica_Drama_CD_4:_Summer_Magical_Girl_Training_Camp!!|officially published]] [[Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_Anthology_1|material]]). The five magical girls are working together without suffering. Kyubey has been rendered harmless. Even Charlotte is there as the second mascot. It is the world depicted and desired by fans.

And it's all an illusion. No matter how many fanworks are made, it doesn't change the events that happen in the original series. They are as illusionary as the world of Homura's witch barrier.

Then there's the end of the movie. Again, it is an ending common in fanworks. Madoka is alive. Sayaka is alive. Even Charlotte has been brought back to life and returned to her human form. And Kyubey is paying for all his crimes. The ending people wanted to see.

But there's a price. It's ''Madoka Magica'', there's always a price. The price is that Homura is now made the villain, and she has trapped the characters in this happy ending against their will. Instead of the joy of witnessing a happy ending, the viewer is made to feel horrified and confused.

One might even consider Homura to be a stand-in for fanwork creators. It is Homura that creates the illusion at the beginning of the movie, and it is Homura that creates the ending where everyone is brought back. It says something that the person who makes fanworks come true is the person that becomes ''the devil itself''. But hey, you got your happy ending, right?

We have found the enemy and it is us. Be careful what you wish for.

''More analysis coming soon...''

== Trivia ==
*Fans have called the new entity that is Homura, Homucifer or Homukami (depending on your view).
**HomuSatan and Homulucifer are acceptable as well.
**Homurakuma(?)
***Or Akuma Homura, if you will. It's the official name as well as a pun on "Akemi Homura".
***Akuma is translated as Devil or demon, so Devil Homura is most common and simple name.
*Urobuchi was asked by [[:file:Shinbo made me do it.jpg|Shinbo and Iwakami]] to come up with an ending that would allow for the continuation of the franchise.
**According to the picture/link above, Urobochi believed that this movie would wrap up the whole story.
**$hinbo is the true culprit this time around. For some fans, this move to "have fun with torturing the audience" by denying them a happy resolution from the original series could backfire on the writers for the sake of the continuation of the franchise, it somehow reflects Kyubey's greed perceived in the film.
**Madoka Magica was always a collective work by Magical Quartet (not only by Gen Urobuchi). The original concept for the Madoka Magica series belongs to Shinbo. Gen has never been in charge of its creation.

==Criticism==
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''French Interviewer: "Do you have something to say to the French fans who are impatiently waiting for the third movie?"'' 
''Gen Urobuchi: "I think the third movie is going to divide the people, but I'm ready to face the consequences"'' ~ [http://www.wakanim.tv/dossier/16/1/interview-durobuchi-gen-et-de-kosaka-takaki wakanim.tv]
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''"If the TV version of Madoka Magica was about God and unconditional love, the new film is about the Devil and how love, when taken too far, can turn into hate."'' ~ [http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2013/11/10-1/feature-puella-magi-madoka-magica-rebellion-movie-review Ryotaro Aoki, Rebellion movie review, Crunchyroll.]
</blockquote>

One of the main concerns regarding the new ending in "Rebellion" is that Homura's action renders Madoka's sacrifice and message of hope meaningless. The ending from the anime series and the previous film loses its impact and this causes concern among the fans who became emotionally invested on Madoka's message of hope.

Another problem is the devolution of the Homura character, starting from a weakly girl and evolving into a strong magical girl, Homura becomes what many consider to be a strong underdog who overcame many obstacles to protect what she treasures. However, in "Rebellion" we see what appears to be the beginning of the unraveling of the Homura character, we see the fall of a strong magical girl into what it is presumed to be a form of madness.

==Yuri Subtext in "Rebellion"==
see [[Yuri_undertones#Yuri_Subtext_in_.22Rebellion.22|Yuri Undertones]]

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File:Bump evens.gif
File:Double date.gif
File:Mami and nagisa cheese boxes.png
File:BroTP 1.gif
File:BroTP 2.gif
File:BroTP 3.gif
File:Ending 1.gif
File:Ending 2.gif
File:Ending 3.gif
File:Field 21.gif
File:Holding hands 3.gif
File:Homura's earring shot.png
File:Salamander homura.jpg
File:Unknown op homura rebellion.jpg
File:Rebellion qb end.jpg
File:Homulilly's elite servants ENGv4.png
</gallery>

==Speculation Gallery==
<gallery>
File:Mami's room mapped.png|What Mami's room looks like in Rebellion
File:Homura fan faction after rebellion.jpg|
File:Halfmoon cut and Gretchen.png|Halfmoon and Gretchen
File:Chairs rebellion.png
File:Moon cut in half.jpg|The moon missing half is part, you can notice the light of stars where it should be the dark side of the moon.
File:Rebellion Runes - 013221 - DAI EWIG WEIBLICHE.jpg|[[wikipedia:Eternal feminine|das Ewig-Weibliche]]
File:Rebellion - Hitomi phone calendar.jpg|Hitomi's phone calendar
File:Mami Apartment books.png|Mami's bookshelf is filled with cook books to make [[Runes:The Rebellion Story#Act 2|Bebe's sweets]]
File:Rebellion Runes - 011113 - sign.jpg|[[File talk:New homulilly.jpg|Rune translation]]
</gallery>

==Fan Gallery==
<gallery>
File:39374439 big p1.jpg
File:39420745 p2.png
File:39373505 p6.jpg
File:39404453 p2.jpg
File:39426249.jpg
File:820860604.jpg
File:39650480.jpg
File:39513258 p33 34.png
File:39568865.jpg
File:39719517.png
File:Cant into luminous.png
File:Well lucifer technically.jpg
File:Home made Soul Orb.jpg
File:Angeban-tribalpunk-i-cannot-stop-laughing.png
File:40234849.jpg
File:Homulilly Cufflinks.jpg
File:But then I saw rebellion.png
</gallery>

==See Also==

* [[The Rebellion Story]]
* [[The Rebellion Story/Q&A]]
* [[Runes:The Rebellion Story|Witch Runes]] in The Rebellion Story
* [[Cake Song]]
* [[Witches Artwork]]

==External Links==
*[http://www22.atwiki.jp/madoka-magica/pages/278.html Corresponding page on the Japanese wiki]
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7zba7VjzMc Madoka★Magica - Transformation]
*[http://beneaththetangles.wordpress.com/2013/12/11/madoka-magica-the-movie-rebellion-and-redefining-love/ Madoka Magica The Movie – Rebellion – and Redefining Love]
*[http://flikky.tumblr.com/post/69469810419/madoka-rebellion-and-tarot-symbology Madoka Rebellion and Tarot Symbology]
*[http://mlpomo.blogspot.kr/2013/12/spoiler-filled-review-madoka-magica-3.html Spoiler-Filled Review: Madoka Magica 3: Rebellion]
*[http://pastebin.com/ix9Zkn0Y short summary of interesting articles]

File talk:Madoka Pia - Yuuki Aoi.jpg

2013-11-27T12:37:17Z

Derp101(2): Created page with "Yuuki Aoi could become a freaking mangaka if she ever stop dubbing, that's some really good art! --~~~~"

Yuuki Aoi could become a freaking mangaka if she ever stop dubbing, that's some really good art! --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 12:37, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Candeloro

2013-01-26T23:46:09Z

Derp101(2):

[[File:The oversexualization of candeloro.jpg|right|thumb|300px|stay away from 4chan if you know what is good for you...]]

are we going to consider the game canon?... there is always issues with games... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:20, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
:The scenarios are written by Urobuchi, Shaft and Inu Curry are doing the designs, the seiyuu are voicing their characters so yeah, I'd say it's reasonable to consider it at least as canonical as the manga spin-offs, which also have share the character page and so on. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 02:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
::Actually, Urobuchi did not write it (or not ''all of it''). He mainly "Supervise" the script. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 02:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
:::True, though the way it was explained, I have no qualms of it having the complete Urobuchi stamp of approval: The scenarios of the game version will be under full supervision by Gen Urobuchi of Nitroplus. Regarding that Doi noted that “the game will have multiple ending and I would like to drill down to explore the aspects of the characters that have not been seen before.” He also mentioned Urobuchi came to the development site frequently to have discussions. Doi looked satisfied with the result and said “I have high expectation of the scenarios.” At the very least, it will be as canonical as the drama CDs, which were also under his supervision. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 02:32, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
:It won't hurt listing the witch in characters page though, as long as we mark it as '''''from PSP game'''''. (Just like how we treat Oriko/Kazumi, etc.) Personally I think if Inu Curry designs it, at very least ''the witch form'' could be considered canon (even if the story itself may not be quite so). --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 02:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
::I swear I'll never get people's gripes with canon sources that aren't the main and original source, even if they're just as official... but oh well. As a personal note, I read a number of fan descriptions for Mami's witch form... and this doesn't hold a candle to some of them (no pun intended). It seems too bland, to be honest. I like the idea of the familiars being built into the image or her kouhais; and I have a sort-of childish satisfaction over having called it. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 03:01, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, it matters for two reasons: One is clarity. For example, if someone has only seen the anime and knows Kyubey, mentions of Jubey is going to be confusing. The more works there are produced, the more confusing it will get as the body of information and discrepancies among sources grows larger. The second is that some fans care about sources and made subjective opinions on which they consider canonical and which do not. There will no doubt be some who do not consider some combination of the three manga, the game or the drama CDS to not be canon but rather than make those distinctions, we simply rule out things that are definitely not canonical (like the Comic Anthology) and make sure to list the sources for the rest because of reasons 1 and 2. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 03:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

:What the heck is her name supposed to mean? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 03:44, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
::I think it is an [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candeloro Italian name] (male), the female equivalent is Candelora and I think the name seems to suggest something to do with the [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candelora some sort of religious festival], of course I cant understand Italian but there is an [http://www.theflorentine.net/articles/article-view.asp?issuetocId=4043 English source that explains it.] (Good thing Spanish has similar words in Italian or otherwise I wouldnt understand any of it...) --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 03:51, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
:::who would have thought than an Anime/game would actually make me look and learn new things about the world? Nuts... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 04:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Candelora, February 2, Groundhog Day, time travel... I am just thinking this is all coincidental... right? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 04:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
::::For some unknown reason I want to scream INUCURRYYYYYYYY! --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 04:20, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
:::: ''In France, Candlemas (Chandeleur) is best known for being the day of pancakes, which are prepared in every way.''. Ok, now this is ridiculous. I wouldnt be surprised if this was true but I still feel like someone is pulling my chain.... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 04:29, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
::::: [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandeleur#Tradition I be darn...] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 04:33, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
:::::: Well played, Quartet. Well played. [[User:Kerigis|Kerigis]] 05:01, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
::: Incidentally, if the "[[Astronomy|witches named after celestial objects]]" is still something that's not a coincidence, we have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9010_Candelo this]. I wouldn't add it to that page or this page, though. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 05:05, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Who made the Witch Card? Is that the official description from the magazine or is it fanmade? --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 24:13, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
:It's... almost certainly fanmade, I believe. The image was cropped directly from the magazine screenshot and pasted over the Anthony card, and part of the text reads something like "the dynamite body unlike that of a high-schooler which she had in her previous life". [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 05:19, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
:It's from 2ch, hence it's in the fanart section...or at least that's where I put it. I can't say where anyone has used it (can't track everything). I can say there's no official card anywhere that I've seen thus far and I don't expect to see a real one anytime soon either. The ones for the anime weren't released until after they were shown in it. The game...is still months away from being sold.--[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 05:59, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
::Pretty much all of the manga ones are fanmade, too, so I don't think it's a problem (though maybe erasing that description for the page version would be good). --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 06:29, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Why exactly does the Witch have blue in her design? I thought Mami was all yellow. I know the Witch is suppose to look like a refined young lady, but still . . . --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 15:33, 06 January 2012 (UTC)
:Kinda looks like bluish-green to me... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:26, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
:Sayaka had a fish tail, and you're concerned with Mami having one more color? LOL, but really, it's probably to break up the mass of yellow. All the witches are multicolored like that. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 02:21, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Am I the only one who thinks Kyouko's Witch will be featured in the next issue of Dengeki Playstation? --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 21:14, 09 January 2012 (UTC)

added some more information that I got from 4chan, anyone is welcome to make changes or corrections... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:58, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

==Familiars==
Anyone knows if a card (or cards?) will be made for the familiars? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 04:40, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
:Since their names are unknown now, I don't think it necessary to make them now. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 05:12, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Names of minions are MARIANNE + JOLLENE. [[Special:Contributions/77.249.57.31|77.249.57.31]] 15:17, 20 August 2012 (UTC)Guest
:Excellent![[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 16:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
::No, no, I'm pretty sure those are names that SPDUDE made up for them. They're not official. --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 17:20, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
:::I know, I came up with those names for him and they sound really great. Successful trolling feels awesome![[User:Derp101(3)|Derp101(3)]] 20:03, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
== Witch description ==

Where did Candeloro's description come from? (Revealing her to be the witch of dress-up with an inviting nature) [[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 16:07, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:It's from [http://i.imgur.com/WDOD3h.jpg her page in the in-game witch encyclopedia.] --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 19:52, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 21:59, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

You know, I am kind of dissapointed that Candeloro's mammies are not big, her hips are very wide... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:49, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
:*Insert Shakira joke here*. Do you think we'll ever get the names of the familiars? [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 11:10, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

== Call me Crazy ==

I like her better than her magical girl form.Yes, I am very much so insane --[[User:Datadoggieein|Datadoggieein]] 06:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)The Makuta of Matau Nui

==Kanji==
Is it me or there is something written on the head of both her familiars? --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 23:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Erika Mamiya

2012-10-12T20:19:59Z

Derp101(2): /* Story */

{{Infobox_character
|name=Erika Mamiya
|image=<center>[[File:Erika.jpg|250px]]</center>
|jname=間宮えりか (Mamiya Erika)
|age=15
}}
{{Nihongo|'''Erika Mamiya'''|間宮えりか|Mamiya Erika}} is a character from Oriko Magica: Noisy Citrine. She used to be Kirika's best friend.

==Personality==
==Story==
Erika and Kirika used to be best friends since childhood, but after an incident in which Kirika was framed for something she didn't do and Erika did nothing to defend her, Kirika believed Erika betrayed her and so they drifted apart.

Some years later, during the time of where Oriko Magica starts, Kirika rushes onto her by accident. Upon remembering how she was betrayed by her in the past, which caused their friendship to crack, Kirika pushes her and runs away. The two girls met some time later, but Erika was depressed due to her divorced parents. They later got caught in the barrier of a witch. Kirika, who recently contracted with Kyubey and became a magical girl, went to rescue her and in the process their past together was uncovered. After defeating the witch, Kirika decides to forgive Erika.

==Gallery==
===Manga Pages and Panels===
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:20120809160606e89.jpg|Erika and Kirika when they were young.
</gallery>

[[Category:Characters]]

Grief Seeds

2012-07-09T02:46:23Z

Derp101(2):

[[File:Soul gem grief seed sketch.jpg|right|thumb]]
This page lists information and speculation about the grief seeds that appear in each episode of the anime and chapter of the different manga spinoffs.

==By episode==

===Episode 2===
[[File:Fanart Soul Gem.jpg|right|150px]]
[[File:Grief_seed.png|300px|Gertrud's Grief Seed.]]
'''[[Gertrud]]'s Grief Seed.'''

The Grief Seed that Mami obtained from Gertrud.
*'''Top emblem''': Butterfly
*'''Bottom emblem''':Rose
*'''Battles''': Mami
*'''Possession''': Kyubey ''(presumed)''
*'''Used by''': Mami

===Episode 3===
[[File:Charlotte_grief_large2.jpg|300px|Charlotte's grief seed on the hospital wall.]]
'''[[Charlotte]]'s Grief Seed.'''

The Grief Seed found embedded in a hospital wall.
*'''Top emblem''': Strawberry
*'''Bottom emblem''': Charlotte's head
*'''Battles''': Mami, Homura
*'''Possession''': Homura
*'''Used by''': Unknown
<gallery>
File:Charlotte seed.png|Charlotte's grief seed vector.
File:Charlotte_grief_large.jpg|The seed glows as it begins to activate
File:Charlotte_activating.jpg|A close-up of the seed's emblem just before Charlotte appears
File:Mami-gem-vs-charlotte-seed.png|Comparison of Charlotte's grief seed and Mami's soul gem
</gallery>

===Episode 4===
[[File:EllyGS.png|Elly's Grief Seed]]
'''[[Elly]]'s Grief Seed.'''

Elly's Grief Seed, not originally seen in the episode. It was added in the AT-X rebroadcast.

*'''Top emblem''': Wing
*'''Bottom emblem''': Monitor
*'''Battles''': Sayaka
*'''Possession''': Unknown
*'''Used by''': Sayaka

===Episode 6===
[[File:Speculah Elly's seed.jpg|150px|Elly's grief seed speculah]]
'''[[Elly]]'s Grief Seed.'''

Initially speculated to be [[Elly]]'s grief seed, which was proven true as it was added to the revised Episode 4.
*'''Top emblem''': Wing
*'''Bottom emblem''': Monitor
*'''Battles''': Sayaka
*'''Possession''': Kyubey
*'''Used by''': Sayaka

===Episode 8===
[[File:Elsa grief seed.jpg|300px]]
'''[[Elsa Maria]]'s Grief Seed.'''

After defeating Elsa Maria, Sayaka gives this Grief Seed to Kyoko as repayment for her assistance.
*'''Top emblem''': Crown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Blank
*'''Battles''': Sayaka, Kyoko
*'''Possession''': Kyoko
*'''Used by''': none ''(presumed)''

[[File:E8-grief-seed.PNG|300px|The grief seed Homura gives to Sayaka.]]
'''The witch of the Netherlands's Grief Seed.'''

The Grief Seed Homura gives to Sayaka, who refused it. According to [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:PN_60.jpg this] design document, it belongs to the "witch of the Netherlands (オランダの魔女)".
*'''Top emblem''': Tulip
*'''Bottom emblem''': Windmill
*'''Battles''': Homura ''(presumed)''
*'''Possession''': Homura
*'''Used by''': none ''(presumed)''

[[File:Sayaka-soul-gem-grief-seed-transition.JPG|300px|Sayaka's soul gem transforming into a grief seed.]]
'''[[Oktavia von Seckendorff]]'s Grief Seed.'''

Sayaka's Grief Seed, immediately after exploding.
*'''Top emblem''': Music note
*'''Bottom emblem''': Music note
*'''Battles''': Kyoko in [[Episode 9]]
*'''Possession''': Unknown
*'''Used by''': Unknown

===Episode 10===
[[File:Fan creation jewelry soul gem grief seed.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Fanmade jewelry of a Soul Gem and Grief Seed]]
[[File:Grief Seed from episode 10.PNG|300px|The Grief Seed may be Sayaka's]]
'''[[Oktavia]]'s Grief Seed.'''

Sayaka's Grief Seed from the third timeline.
*'''Top emblem''': Music note
*'''Bottom emblem''': Music note
*'''Battles''': Homura, Madoka, Mami, Kyoko
*'''Possession''': Madoka
*'''Used by''': Homura

[[File:Madoka-grief-seed.png|300px]]
'''[[Kriemhild Gretchen]]'s Grief Seed.'''

Madoka's Grief Seed, the cutest Grief Seed ever.
*'''Top emblem''': Teardrop with ribbons
*'''Bottom emblem''': Comet
*'''Battles''': none
*'''Possession''': Madoka
*'''Used by''': none

===Episode 11===
[[File:Homura grief seed.png|300px]]
'''[[Homura]]'s Grief Seed.'''

Shown in [[Kyubey]]'s speech about how Homura would drown in despair, if she ever lost hope.
*'''Top emblem''': Diamond
*'''Bottom emblem''': Diamond
*'''Battles''': none
*'''Possession''': none
*'''Used by''': none

===Episode 12===
[[File:Soul Gem and Grief Seed Cubic Form.png|250px]]
'''"Grief Seeds" in cubic form taken from "[[:File:Demons.png|Demons]]."'''

The Grief Seeds take a cubic form in [[Episode 12]]. It is not known if they are still called Grief Seeds or if they have a different name (Grief Cubes?).
*'''Emblems''': none
*'''Battles''': Homura, Kyoko, Mami, Sayaka
*'''Possession''': Homura
*'''Used by''': Homura

===Mami's Heart-Pounding Tiro Finale===
[[File:Ophelia_grief_seed.jpg]]
[[Ophelia]]'s Grief Seed, from Mami's Heart-Pounding Tiro Finale

*'''Top emblem''': Eye
*'''Bottom emblem''': Eye
*'''Battles''': Homura
*'''Possession''': Homura (presumed)
*'''Used by''': none

===Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable===
[[File:Albertine_grief_seed.png]]
[[Albertine]]'s Grief Seed, from [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]

*'''Top emblem''': Star
*'''Bottom emblem''': Flower
*'''Battles''': Varies
*'''Possession''': Varies
*'''Used by''': Varies

[[File:Gisela_grief_seed.png]]
[[Gisela]]'s Grief Seed, from [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]

*'''Top emblem''': Handlebars
*'''Bottom emblem''': Grille
*'''Battles''': Mami or Kyouko
*'''Possession''': Mami or Kyouko
*'''Used by''': Varies

[[File:Izabel_grief_seed.png]]
[[Izabel]]'s Grief Seed, from [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]

*'''Top emblem''': Trophy
*'''Bottom emblem''': Archway
*'''Battles''': Mami and Madoka or Kyouko and Sayaka
*'''Possession''': Mami and Madoka or Kyouko and Sayaka
*'''Used by''': Varies

[[File:Patricia_grief_seed.PNG]]
[[Patricia]]'s Grief Seed, from [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]

*'''Top emblem''': Cherry blossom
*'''Bottom emblem''': Spider eyes
*'''Battles''': Mami, Madoka and Homura
*'''Possession''': Mami, Madoka and Homura
*'''Used by''': Varies

[[File:Candeloro grief seed.png]]
[[Candeloro]]'s Grief Seed, from [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]

*'''Top emblem''': Flower
*'''Bottom emblem''': Flower
*'''Battles''': Madoka and Homura
*'''Possession''': Madoka and Homura
*'''Used by''': Varies

[[File:Ophelia grief seed PSP.png]]
[[Ophelia]]'s Grief Seed, from [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]

*'''Top emblem''': Eye
*'''Bottom emblem''': Eye
*'''Battles''': Homura
*'''Possession''': Homura
*'''Used by''': Varies

[[File:Walpurgisnacht_grief_seed.PNG]]
[[Walpurgis Night]]'s Grief Seed, from [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]

*'''Top emblem''': Gear
*'''Bottom emblem''': Gear
*'''Battles''': Varies
*'''Possession''': Varies
*'''Used by''': Varies

===Oriko Magica, chapter 1===
[[File:Flower_witch_grief_seed.JPG|250px]]
'''The witch of flowers' Grief Seed.'''

Presumably the Grief Seed of the flower witch that attacked [[Yuma]].
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Battles''': Kyoko
*'''Possession''': Kyoko
*'''Used by''': none ''(presumed)''

===Oriko Magica, chapter 2===
[[File:Cecil_grief_seed.JPG|250px]]
'''[[Cecil]]'s Grief Seed.'''

The Grief Seed of the Taste Witch that [[Kyoko]] battled.
*'''Top emblem''': Rosary
*'''Bottom emblem''': Cherry petals
*'''Battles''': Kyoko
*'''Possession''': Kyoko
*'''Used by''': Kyoko ''(presumed)''

===Oriko Magica, chapter 5===
[[File:Kirika_grief_seed.JPG|200px]]
'''[[Margot]]'s Grief Seed.'''

The outline of [[Kirika]]'s Grief Seed, visible within her Soul Gem prior to becoming a witch.
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Battles''': Kyoko, Mami, Yuma, Homura
*'''Possession''': none
*'''Used by''': none ''(presumed)''

===Kazumi Magica, Chapter 4===
[[File:PrologueGriefSeed.png|150px]]
'''[[Prologue]]'s Grief Seed.'''

The bookmobile witch's Grief Seed, given to [[Jubey]] by the [[Pleiades]].
*'''Top emblem''': Oval
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown (compass points?)
*'''Battles''': The Pleiades Saints
*'''Possession''': Jubey
*'''Used by''': none

===Kazumi Magica, chapter 5===
[[File:AiriGriefSeed.png|200px]]
'''[[Nie Blühen Herzen]]'s Grief Seed.'''

"[[Yuuri]]", aka [[Airi]]'s, Grief Seed.
*'''Top emblem''': Flower (?)
*'''Bottom emblem''': Flower (?)
*'''Battles''': The Pleiades Saints
*'''Possession''': The Pleiades Saints, Jubey ''(presumed)''
*'''Used by''': none ''(presumed)''

===Kazumi Magica, chapter 9===
[[File:KazumiChapter9GriefSeed.png|150px]]
'''Nico Kanna's Grief Seed.'''

*'''Top emblem''': Diamond/Square
*'''Bottom emblem''': Diamond/Square
*'''Battles''': The Pleiades Saints
*'''Possession''': The Pleiades Saints, Jubey ''(presumed)''
*'''Used by''': none ''(presumed)''

===Kazumi Magica, chapter 15===
[[File:Satomi_grief_seed.PNG|150px]]
'''[[Satomi Usagi]]'s Grief Seed.'''

*'''Top emblem''': Bat wing
*'''Bottom emblem''': Bat wing
*'''Battles''': Kazumi
*'''Possession''': The Pleiades Saints, Jubey ''(presumed)''
*'''Used by''': none ''(presumed)''

===Kazumi Magica, chapter 18===
[[File:Chapter_18_grief_seed.png|200px]]
'''[[Saki Asami]]'s Grief Seed.'''

*'''Top emblem''': Lily-of-the-valley
*'''Bottom emblem''': Lily-of-the-valley
*'''Battles''': Kanna Hijiri
*'''Possession''': None
*'''Used by''': None

==Soul Gems==
This is a compilation of every magical girl's soul gems' emblems and their locations. Soul gems come in three forms: the [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Soul_gem.png| gem form], the [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Ep10-09-00.jpg| ring form] (though it is sometimes not a ring, but a hairpin, earring, or other piece of jewelery), and the transformation form, the shape of which is unique to each individual girl and gem.

Note that soul gem and grief seed are not English translations of Japanese words, but the actual English words spoken in the anime. Therefore, it's possible that it was intentionally chosen, and not merely coincidental, for the initials of grief seed (GS) to be the reverse of soul gem (SG). If so, it would appropriately reflect the role reversal that occurs when magical girls turn into witches.

===Mami Tomoe===
[[File:MamiGem.png|250px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Flower
*'''Bottom emblem''': Flower
*'''Shape when transformed''': Flower
*'''Location''': Hairpin on right side of head

===Sayaka Miki===
[[File:SayakaGem.png|250px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Musical note
*'''Bottom emblem''': Musical note
*'''Shape when transformed''': Musical note
*'''Location''': Navel

===Homura Akemi===
[[File:Homura soul gem.png|200px]][[File:HomuraSoulGemTransformed.png|200px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Diamond
*'''Bottom emblem''': Diamond
*'''Shape when transformed''': Diamond
*'''Location''': Left hand

===Kyoko Sakura===
[[File:KyoukoSoulGemVarious.png|300px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Oval
*'''Bottom emblem''': Oval
*'''Shape when transformed''': Oval
*'''Location''': Upper chest

===Madoka Kaname===
[[File:MadokaSoulGem.png|300px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Teardrop
*'''Bottom emblem''': Teardrop
*'''Shape when transformed''': Teardrop
*'''Location''': Upper chest

===Yuma Chitose===
[[File:YumaSoulGemNeck.png|250px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Sphere with cat ears
*'''Location''': Nape of neck

===Oriko Mikuni===
[[File:OrikoSoulGem.png|200px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Oval
*'''Location''': Upper chest

===Kirika Kure===
[[File:Oriko_gem.JPG|250px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Ring
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Diamond
*'''Location''': Lower back

===Kazumi===
[[File:J13 23.jpg|200px]]
[[File:Kazumi_soul_gem.JPG]]
*'''Top emblem''': Spiral
*'''Bottom emblem''': Spiral
*'''Shape when transformed''': Bell-like earring with spiral patterns
*'''Location''': Ear

===Kaoru Maki===
[[File:KaoruSoulGem.png]][[File:KaoruTransformedGem.png|100px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown (trophy?)
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown (trophy?)
*'''Shape when transformed''': Pentagon
*'''Location''': Right thigh

===Umika Misaki===
[[File:UmikaSoulGem.png]][[File:UmikaTransformedGem.png|200px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Pen nib
*'''Bottom emblem''': Pen nib
*'''Shape when transformed''': Pen nib
*'''Location''': Forehead

===Satomi Usagi===
[[File:SatomiSoulGem.png]][[File:MJ13 20.jpg]]
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown (paw?)
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown (paw?)
*'''Shape when transformed''': Cat head
*'''Location''': Left side of the chest

===Mirai Wakaba===
[[File:MiraiWakabaSoulGem.png]]
*'''Top emblem''': Heart
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Heart
*'''Location''': Neck

===Nico Kanna===
[[File:Nico_gem.JPG]]
[[File:Nico_gem_neck.JPG|150px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Hexagon
*'''Bottom emblem''': Hexagon
*'''Shape when transformed''': Hexagon
*'''Location''': Nape of neck

===Saki Asami===
[[File:Saki_soul_gem.JPG]]
*'''Top emblem''': Lily of the valley
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Lily of the valley
*'''Location''': Left hand

===Yuuri Asuka===
[[File:YuuriAsukaSoulGem.png]]
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Oval
*'''Location''': Left shoulder

==="Yuuri"===
[[File:Airi_soul_gem.JPG]]
*'''Top emblem''': Flower (?)
*'''Bottom emblem''': Flower (?)
*'''Shape when transformed''': Oval
*'''Location''': Upper abdomen, below her chest

===Akane Sumire===
[[File:Akane_soul_gem.JPG]]
*'''Top emblem''': Tassel/Tiara (?)
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Tassel/Tiara (?)
*'''Location''': Navel

===Ayase Souju===
[[File:Ayase_soul_gem.JPG]]
*'''Top emblem''': Crescent moon with circle in it
*'''Bottom emblem''': Circle with crescent moon in it
*'''Shape when transformed''': Inverted shield (?)
*'''Location''': Left side of chest

===Luca Souju===
[[File:Luca_gem.JPG]]
*'''Top emblem''': Circle with crescent moon in it
*'''Bottom emblem''': Crescent moon with circle in it
*'''Shape when transformed''': Shield (?)
*'''Location''': Right side of chest

===Michiru Kazusa===
[[File:Michiru Gem.jpg|150px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Spiral
*'''Bottom emblem''': Spiral
*'''Shape when transformed''': Bell-like earring with spiral patterns
*'''Location''': Ear

===Kanna Hijiri===
[[File:Kanna_soul_gem.PNG]]
*'''Top emblem''': Twin hexagons
*'''Bottom emblem''': Twin hexagons
*'''Shape when transformed''': Unknown
*'''Location''': Unknown

===Unnamed Tibetan girl===
[[File:Vlcsnap-2011-12-08-16h52m48s14.jpg|250px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Heart
*'''Bottom emblem''': Heart / inverted spade
*'''Shape when transformed''': Unknown
*'''Location''': Below neck, collar

===Unnamed girl from the Savannah===
[[File:SavannahGirlGem.png|200px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Shield (?)
*'''Location''': Right arm, above elbow

===Unnamed girl with bear===
[[File:BearGirlGem.png|150px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Bear head
*'''Location''': Hairpin on upper left side of head

===Unnamed girl in purple===
[[File:Vlcsnap-2011-12-08-16h52m05s99.jpg|250px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Heart
*'''Location''': Center of chest, between the breasts

===Unnamed Viking girl===
[[File:Vlcsnap-2012-02-15-16h48m52s245.jpg|250px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Crescent
*'''Location''': Forehead

===Unnamed girl in sailor uniform===
[[File:Schoolgirloutfitgem.png|250px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Unknown
*'''Location''': Unknown

===Unnamed Afghan girl===
[[File:Screen_shot_2012-02-16_at_8.08.33_PM.jpg|200px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Diamond
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Unknown
*'''Location''': Unknown

===Unnamed girl on train===
[[File:Screen_shot_2012-02-16_at_8.08.45_PM.jpg|200px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Unknown
*'''Location''': Unknown

===Queen Himiko===
[[File:Screen_shot_2012-02-16_at_8.08.55_PM.jpg|200px]]
*'''Top emblem''': Unknown
*'''Bottom emblem''': Unknown
*'''Shape when transformed''': Unknown
*'''Location''': Unknown

==Production Notes==
<gallery>
File:PN 29.jpg
File:PN 53.jpg
File:PN 60.jpg
File:PN 61.jpg

</gallery>

[[Category:Articles]]
[[Category:Unconfirmed theories]]

==PSP Game==
<gallery>
File:All Star Grief Seed.png
</gallery>

File:All Star Grief Seed.png

2012-07-09T02:37:27Z

Derp101(2):

Homulilly

2012-07-09T02:34:30Z

Derp101(2): /* Fanart */

'''Homulilly''' is [[Homura Akemi]]'s witch form in the Madoka Magica Portable game. She is a {{Nihongo|'''Witch of Mortal World'''|此岸の魔女|Shigan no Majō}}<ref>{{Nihongo|此岸|Shigan}} is an opposite of {{Nihongo|彼岸|Higan}} or the other shore of [[wikipedia:Sanzu River|Sanzu river]].</ref> with a disc on top of her and infinite sign. Homulilly was first appeared in the bonus material of ''[[Madoka Magica Portable]]''. Unlike all other witches in the game, with the exception of [[Kriemhild Gretchen]], Homulilly is not playable in the game or bonus dungeons, nor is any other information provided in the game or bonus materials. She only appears in a Game Over screen in the game if a player loses to [[Walpurgis Night]] in Homura's route, under specific conditions.

Her [[Witch's Kiss]] from Special PlayStation Portable theme bundled with limited edition of Madoka Magica Portable looks like an hourglass on top of {{Nihongo|[[wikipedia:Lycoris radiata|red spider lily]]|彼岸花|Higanbana}} although it is Homura's character color purple, instead of the usual red color.

== Cards ==
{{Card
|name = Homulilly
|runes = HOMULILLY
|image = File:Homulilly Card.jpg
|japanese_desc =
|english_desc =
|type = Mortal world witch
|episodes = Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable
|jatext_extra_styles = extra styling for japanese text
|header_extra_styles = extra styling for header label
}}

== Appearances ==
=== Madoka Magica Portable ===
In Madoka Magica Portable if player dies fighting [[Walpurgis Night]] in Homura's route, under specific conditions. There is a dialogue of Homura losing hope and an illustration of Homulilly before the ''Game Over'' screen appears. The dialogue is as follows:

{| class="wikitable" style="width: 100%;"
!colspan="2"|Japanese
!colspan="2"|English
!Image
|-
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|これだけ準備して
それでも勝てない……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|I have prepared so much but how can't I win?
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 1.jpg|100px]]
|-
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|そうだ……。
また時間を……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|Yes, I can (reverse) time...
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 2.jpg|100px]]
|-
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|！！
砂が……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|!! The sand...
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 3.jpg|100px]]
|-
!style="vertical-align: top;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|そうか。
魔法を……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|So my magic...
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 4.jpg|100px]]
|-
!style="vertical-align: top;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|ああ。
ここで終わりなんだ……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|Ah! It is all over.
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 5.jpg|100px]]
|-
!style="vertical-align: top;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|まどか。
あなたを救えなかった……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|Madoka, I can't save you
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 6.jpg|100px]]
|-
!style="vertical-align: top;"|暁美ほむら
|style="vertical-align: top;"|ごめんなさい……。
!style="vertical-align: top; width: 100px;"|Akemi Homura
|style="vertical-align: top;"|I'm sorry.
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 7.jpg|100px]]
|-
|colspan="4" style="font-weight:bold;text-align:center;"|HOMULILLY

GAME OVER
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 8.jpg|100px]]
|-
|colspan="4" style="font-weight:bold;text-align:center;"|STANDARD GAME OVER
|style="width:100px;"|[[File:Homulilly Event 9.jpg|100px]]
|-
|}

==Observation and Speculation==
:''This section is fan observation and speculation, please do not take it as facts.''
[[File:Homu kiss close-up.jpg|thumb|Homulilly's witch kiss in the PSP game custom theme]]
[[File:Spider Lily Lycoris Radiata.jpg|thumb|Red Spider Lily]]
=== About her name ===
*[[:file:PSP Photo Icon.jpg|Homulilly's witch kiss]] seems to show a Spider Lily.
*"Shigan" is the opposite of "Higan" (nirvana). Higanbana (literally "higan flowers") is the Japanese name for [[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata|red spider lillies]]. So shiganbana, or Homu lilly, could be a pun.
**Lycoris radiata ([[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata#Uses|red spider lily]]) are very poisonous. These are mostly used in Japan, and they are used to surround their paddies and houses to keep the pest and mice away. That is why most of them grow close to rivers now.
**In Japan the Red Spider Lily signals the arrival of fall. Many Buddhist will use it to celebrate the arrival of fall with a ceremony at the tomb of one of their ancestors. They plant them on graves because it shows a tribute to the dead. People believe that since the Red Spider Lily is mostly associated with death that one should never give a bouquet of these flowers.
*HOMU is a known nickname for Homura used by Inu Curry, revealed in [[:File:Episode_3_runes.jpg|runes]] in [[Episode 3]] Charlotte's barrier.
*The LILLY part of her name could also be a reference to [[Yuri undertones|yuri]] (百合), which is [[:File:Megami_Lily.jpg|commonly associated with lily]] in Japan.

=== About how Homura turned into a witch ===
* It is speculated that the reason Homura didn't use her time-stopping magic in this timeline, is because most of the sand is still in the upper side of the hourglass. If she turned her shield upside down, there would be little sand to use when using her reset sand as there would be too little sand in the lower side of the hourglass. If Homura doesn't have enough sand to do a full reset then she cannot travel to a new timeline.
** Alternatively, the hourglass in her shield was broken and the sand spilled out, making ''any'' further time loops impossible.

=== Witch Design ===
*If you notice, the sides have a curb shape like an hourglass and the grey/white dots could be sand.
*The top part looks like an old vinyl record, the stylus has an odd shape. If you think about it, it almost makes it look like a stereotypical witches' hat.
**"Broken record"? Her timeline resets certainly qualify this as a theme.
*Under the vinyl record, what looks like hair or pig tails, could be Moemura's pigtails.
**Plus, there appears to be what looks like a chin right under the record, making her look like a classic Witch.
*The section where the braided parts meet, there is something like red sticks.
**These sticks could be knitting needles, held by hands formed by the ends of her pigtails.
*Under the red stick, the hair forms the shape of what that looks like the number eight or the [[wikipedia:Infinity|infinite symbol.]]
**If you think about it, it almost looks like an hourglass shape too..
**Ironically, the number eight is considered to be [[wikipedia:Numbers_in_Chinese_culture#Eight|a lucky number in Chinese]] and [[wikipedia:8_(number)#In_superstition_and_divination|other Asian cultures.]]
*The bottom part of the witch's cape stretches down and connects to the pink orb in the hourglass-like shape in the background. It's unclear whether it's extending out of the hourglass or getting pulled in, as if by a black hole.
**If you notice, Homura's hand is in the bottom pink orb, with the witch coming out of (presumably) her hand's soul gem.
**A matching pink orb is in the top half of the hourglass. Like the bottom part of her cape, Homulilly's hat extends upward toward it; however, it then bends back down and doesn't reach the orb. This may represent Homura repeatedly resetting time and being unable to move on from the "mortal world".
***The halves of the hourglass may represent separate universes, and the points of light inside of them representing stars.
*Two shapes resembling bat wings can be seen behind the "HOMULILLY" runes. These may either extend out of Homulilly's cape or be part of the hourglass's top half.

=== [[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata#Legends|Stories and Legends Regarding the Red Spider Lily]] ===
:Since these scarlet flowers usually bloom near cemeteries around the autumnal equinox, they are described in Chinese and Japanese translations of the [[wikipedia:Lotus_Sutra|Lotus Sutra]] as ominous flowers that grow in [[wikipedia:Diyu|Diyu]] (also known as Hell), or Huángquán (Simplified Chinese: 黄泉; Traditional Chinese: 黃泉), and guide the dead into the next reincarnation. 
:When the flowers of ''lycoris'' bloom, their leaves would have fallen; when their leaves grow, the flowers would have wilted. This habit gave rise to various legends. A famous one is the legend of two elves: Mañju (Simplified Chinese: 曼珠; Traditional Chinese: 曼珠), who guarded the flower, and Saka (Simplified Chinese: 沙华; Traditional Chinese: 沙華), who guarded the leaves. Out of curiosity, they defied their fate of guarding the herb alone, and managed to meet each other. At first sight, they fell in love with each other. [[wikipedia:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]], exasperated by their waywardness, separated the miserable couple, and laid a curse on them as a punishment: the flowers of Mañju shall never meet the leaves of Saka again. It was said that when the couple met after death in Diyu, they vowed to meet each other after reincarnation. However, neither of them could keep their words. In commemoration of the couple, some call the herbs 'Mañjusaka' (Simplified Chinese:曼珠沙华; Traditional Chinese: 曼珠沙華), a mixture of 'Mañju' and 'Saka', instead of their scientific name. The same name is used in Japanese, in which it is pronounced ''manjushage''. 
:Some other legends have it that when you see someone that you may never meet again, these flowers, also called red spider lilies, would bloom along the path. Perhaps because of these sorrowful legends, Japanese people often used these flowers in funerals. The popular Japanese name {{nihongo|''Higanbana''|彼岸花|Higan bana}} for lycoris radiata literally means [[wikipedia:higan|higan]] (the other or that shore of [[wikipedia:Sanzu_River|Sanzu River]]) flower, decorate and enjoyable, flower of afterlife in {{nihongo|''gokuraku jyōdo''|極楽浄土|gokuraku jyōdo}}. 

=== Speculation Regarding the Infinite Symbol ===
While it could be a reference to Homura's time reset, it could have some connection to the [[wikipedia:Steady_State_theory|Steady State Theory]] (aka Infinite Universe).

The Theory is a model developed as an [[wikipedia:History_of_the_Big_Bang_theory#Big_Bang_theory_vs._Steady_State_theory|alternative]] to the [[wikipedia:Big_Bang|Big Bang Theory]]<ref>Fred Hoyle, a staunch supporter of the Steady State Theory, coined the term Big Bang in a radio broadcast to ridicule and contrast the difference between the two theories.[http://www.joh.cam.ac.uk/library/special_collections/hoyle/exhibition/radio/]</ref>, the idea is that the universe is not only infinite, but [[wikipedia:Perfect_cosmological_principle|it has always existed]] (so it doesn't have a beginning); the issue regarding entropy is of little consequence as new matter is created to solve the problem. While the Big Bang Theory suggests that not only does the universe [[wikipedia:Ex_nihilo|has a beginning]], but as it expands it will reach to an end (among many theories, [[wikipedia:Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe#Big_Freeze_or_heat_death|entropy plays a role in it]]): 

:"In 1948, some [[wikipedia:Hermann_Bondi|cosmologists]] [[wikipedia:Thomas_Gold|who were]] [[wikipedia:Fred_Hoyle|unhappy]] with the big bang proposed a radical new model of the universe, based on the idea that the universe was not only homogenous in space (a fundamental concept in most models of the universe) but in time. This means, as the universe expands and galaxies separate, new galaxies form to fill the gaps created. 

:This theory appealed to many, as it had none of the problems associated with the big bang - what preceded it, what caused it, and so forth. Furthermore, it explained most of the effects that the big bang did - the red-shift is explained by the expansion, the background radiation is the light from former stars red-shifted. Furthermore, the theory requires only a minor modification in the laws of relativity, and the rate of matter creation is too low to be observable in any case. 

:Observational evidence proved to be the undoing of the steady state theory. The number of quasars increases when looking back into the past, violating the perfect cosmological principle. Furthermore, as time is infinite, another intelligent species should already have colonized the observable universe, which is obviously not the case. 

:In terms of thermodynamics, the steady state theory resolves some problems and generates others. It allows the universe to have existed for an infinite time, because as entropy increases, more matter appears which increases the order again - the new matter is an inexhaustible supply of negative entropy. In the same way, this balancing of entropy with new matter could be the very reason for space's expansion. 

:However, the steady state theory breaks both [[wikipedia:First_law_of_thermodynamics|the first]] and [[wikipedia:Second_law_of_thermodynamics|second law of thermodynamics]] with the matter increases, although novel ways around the problem have been suggested - for example, the universe could be like a massive black hole, which absorbs extra matter when it expands. Even so, though, the matter increase is, to my mind, too small to balance the entropy increases caused by, for example, the stars burning. 

:The steady state theory flourished in the sixties, but today, few people believe it."[http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sbleas/creative/entropy/#11]

==Gallery==
<gallery>
File:Homulilly.png|From the bonus Inu Curry gallery
File:PSP WitchKissAndGriefSeed Homulilly.jpg|Homulilly's witch kiss and grief seed in PSP theme.
File:Witch's Kiss Homulilly.png|Closer look
File:Bandai SoulGem GriefSeeds v3.jpg|Merchandises made by Bandai. The design picture of her grief seed is in lower right corner.
</gallery>

==Fanart==
<gallery>
File:Homulilly Scary.jpg|THE FUCK U SAID ABOUT MY NAME?
File:Homulillyfanart.jpg
File:Homulilywitchform fanart.jpg
File:27171738.jpg|You will shit bricks when you realize.
File:Human Homulilly.jpg
File:ED Alternative.jpg
</gallery>

== Notes and references ==
<references />

=External Links=
[http://www.pixiv.net/search.php?s_mode=s_tag&word=homulilly Homulilly pixiv fanart]
[[Category:Witches]]

Mirai Wakaba

2012-07-09T02:11:14Z

Derp101(2): /* Gallery */

{{Infobox_character
|name=Mirai Wakaba
|image=<center>[[File:MiraiProfile.png]]</center>
|jname=若葉みらい (Wakaba Mirai)
|weapon=A heart-shaped wand {{Spoiler|that becomes a sword, and teddy bears}}
}}

<blockquote>''"Don't just randomly turn Umika and Kaoru into constellations!"'' - Mirai Wakaba, [[Puella_Magi_Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_3:_.22Kazumix.22|Chapter 3]]. </blockquote>
{{Nihongo|'''Mirai Wakaba'''|若葉みらい}} is a character in [[Kazumi Magica|Puella Magi Kazumi Magica: The Innocent Malice]].

She is a member of the [[Pleiades Saints]] and a magical girl. She wished {{Spoiler|to build a museum to house the hundreds of teddy bears she made}}.

==Personality==

An impulsive girl often depicted frowning. She is hotheaded and is not afraid to express her thoughts as loud as possible. Occasionally, she vents out her frustration on Kazumi by smacking her on the head (especially when Kazumi begins doubting herself). She also thinks of herself highly, sometimes even calling herself "Mirai-sama". Deep down, she is a caring girl.

Mirai can become enraged, but she also calms down quickly. She seems undisturbed by own rash actions during these times until she notices others' reactions.

==History==
{{spoilers|media=kazumi|margin=330px}}
After a witch traps [[Kaoru]] and [[Umika]] inside of itself and takes off, Mirai, [[Saki]], [[Nico]], and [[Satomi]] come to [[Kazumi]]'s aid. They introduce themselves as the [[Pleiades Saints]], a seven-girl witch-hunting team of which Kazumi and her abducted friends are also a part of. Together, they search for Kaoru and Umika across town, with Satomi using her powers to get information from a cat. While they search, the mysterious girl from previous chapters{{spoiler|, Yuuri,}} disguises herself as [[Satomi]] and separates Kazumi from the rest of the team. Upon meeting with the real Satomi, Saki realized they had been tricked, and leads the girls to where the fake Satomi brought Kazumi. They proceed to rescue Kazumi just as she is on the verge of defeat. Kazumi is then held by her opponent at gunpoint, causing them all to hesitate. Kazumi screams out for them to attack anyway, and they fire a joint attack at the mysterious girl: Fili Del Toano. It causes a large explosion, but the magical girl gets away. Kazumi is only lightly wounded.

They reunite at Umika's house for a strategy meeting, where they figure out the witch's likely location. After filling up on Kazumi's delicious food, they head out to intercept the witch. Upon arrival, Saki orders Kazumi to stay outside, explaining that their plan is to seal the witch and have Kazumi fire ''Limiti Esterni'' from the outside to finish it off. Satomi seems to protest herself, but Saki says "It doesn't matter. That was something the familiars did." The girls plunge into the witch's barrier, and rescue Kaoru and Umika just in time. Together, the six of them bind the witch with Episodio Incrocio. However, [[Nico]]'s GPS/com unit breaks, leaving them unable to give Kazumi the needed signal. Umika, thinking quickly, commands them to use candy flutes given to them by Kazumi. The sound reaches her, and the witch is destroyed by ''Limiti Esterni''.

While they reunite and celebrate their victory, they are approached by Jubey, the "fairy" (妖精) that turned them into magical girls. He cleans up their Soul Gems, and gladly accepts the last witch's Grief Seed. He then refuses a couple of weird looking seeds, obtained from the pseudo-witches of Chapters 1 and 2, saying they were not real Grief Seeds. Umika theorized they imitated the Grief Seed's power and were created by the mysterious girl from before. Before they could draw further conclusions, they are attacked by that very girl, [[Yuuri]]. She kidnaps Kazumi, and orders them to go to the Asunaro Dome at midnight if they want Kazumi back. While waiting for the deadline at Umika's house, they speculate on Yuuri's motivations.

At the right time, they arrive at the dome, but to a force barrier they can do nothing but watch as Yuuri enacts her plans. Yuuri states her objective is to seek revenge on the Pleiades. She interprets the Pleiades' failure to recognize her as having been "just that insignificant" to the girls. She then removes her hat, causing a shocked Umika to recognize her, and proceeds to shove an Evil Nut, one of the awkward Grief Seeds from before, into Kazumi's forehead, while the Pleiades scream in horror.

However, Kazumi is able to free herself, and engages Yuuri. During the battle, Yuuri's Soul Gem begins to crack, prompting Saki to order Juubey to cleanse it. Yuuri shoots him first and becomes a witch. Along with the other Pleaides, Mirai is trapped on a cross in the witch's barrier, and is enveloped in thorny vines.

The magical girls are then shown a vision of the witch's past as [[Airi]]. After that, Kazumi falls under the influence of the Evil Nut and breaks free. However, Kazumi is unwilling to fight the witch and even attempts to change her back. Saki then shoots the witch, freeing Mirai and the other Saints. They then attack the witch as they explain to Kazumi that they have no choice but to kill her. Mirai is seen crying during this sequence. Finally Kazumi delivers the final blow, saying she wishes to share this burden with her friends.

Later, Mirai is seen with Kaoru, Satomi, and Saki confronting a magical girl named Sumire Akane (it's unclear if Umika or Nico are also present). Kaoru uses a spell called ''Tocco del Mare'' (English: ''Touch of the Sea''), causing Sumire to scream. We then see Mirai untransformed, holding out her Soul Gem.

Mirai and the other Pleiades Saints then appear to rescue Kazumi and Nico from [[Ayase_Souju|Ayase and Luca Souju]]. Kaoru says they'll be taking the Soujus' gems. Saki tells Kaoru not to do it in front of Kazumi, but Nico says Kazumi already saw her doing it. Kaoru pulls out both Ayase and Luca's gems with the spell ''Tocco del Mare''. Kazumi angrily asks the others why they're taking the Soul Gems of other magical girls, saying that she said earlier she would bear the burden with her friends. Against Saki's objections, Umika says she'll tell Kazumi the truth about the Pleiades Saints, but is interrupted by Nico's Soul Gem glowing. As she falls over, a witch appears.

As Nico's Soul Gem cracks, we see background text of her thinking that that she'll die without a trace, and she wants everyone to remember. She thinks she doesn't want to kill anyone anymore. The runes coming out of her Soul Gem read "We have no future as long as he's around." The next page has a cover image of a golden-eyed Nico holding a gun, asking to be killed. The Pleiades are shocked to discover Nico has become a witch. Repeatedly shouting "Cut", the witch turns her hands into a single pair of scissors. Kaoru transforms and blocks the attack using Capitano Potenza ("Captain Power"), which encases her arms in a black metallic substance. The witch fires projectiles from its body. Kaoru turns to the others and tells them not to stand there. Umika encases herself, Kazumi, and Satomi in a barrier. Saki pushes Mirai in, but is wounded. Mirai flips out and uses her attack La Bestia ("The Beasts") causing an army of teddy-bears to appear and chew on the witch. When the witch throws them off, Mirai uses La Bestia Refare ("Remake the Beast"). The bears start hugging each other and turn into a giant bear that Mirai jumps on. The bear pounces on the witch and pulls it into a bear hug. Mirai leaps into the air, turns her wand into a giant sword, and cuts both the bear and the witch in half. The witch dies, yelling "Cut" one last time. She drops a Grief Seed (which notably looks different than Nico's Soul Gem).

Mirai asks Saki if she's alright, but she's still processing Nico's death. Mirai tells her she had to do it, but is interrupted by Satomi screaming that she doesn't want to die or turn into a witch. Jubey and Umika look at the Grief Seed, as Umika wonders how did things turn out like this. Kazumi takes the hand of Nico's body and finds it's cold. As she shouts Nico's name, a voice says "You called?" Everyone is shocked to see another Nico standing behind them. Jubey, a disturbing grin on his face, says that the body was Nico's "spare" and "compensation for Nico's contract". Kaoru asks why Nico didn't tell them. Nico says that to deceive an enemy, you have to deceive your allies.

The scene switches to Mirai's teddy bear museum, "Angelica Bears". Mirai says that in Japanese it's called "Ashitaba" (literally "tomorrow's leaf") and says that Kazumi came up with the name. As they walk inside, they step onto a magic circle. Umika holds out her ring, suddenly transporting them all somewhere else. Umika tells Kazumi that the museum was born from them meeting with her. The walk up to a giant door, which opens into a giant room filled with girls floating in tanks. The middle of the room contains a pile of Soul Gems. Umika explains that after they take Soul Gems, they put the empty shells of the magical girls into "the Freezer". Kazumi says that Ayase was right, and asks why they're doing this. Jubey says that it's their response to the magical girl system, which is full of contradictions: Rejection.

Umika explains that witches are the end state of magical girls. (While she's speaking Oktavia is briefly seen, as is Sayaka in silhouette). Umika tells Kazumi that they lied to her when they said that sometimes the Soul Gems of magical girls go out of control. Jubey, grinning, explains that Soul Gems are the extracted souls of magical girls. Kaoru admits that they're like zombies, but it's preferable to dying to a witch in one shot. Jubey then says that the Pleiades refuse to fight without feeling pain. Kaoru responds by saying that if they do that they'll cease being human. Umika explains that the magical girls they capture are placed in a barrier that separates them from their Soul Gems and puts them in suspended animation, preventing them from becoming witches. Kaoru says they hope to find a way to completely clean the gems and turn them back into humans. Until then, they'll keep fighting. This is their "rejection" of the magical girl system. Nico then takes out a container that has the Soujus, their Soul Gems, and the Soul Gem and body of another magical girl. The bodies of the magical girls have been shrunken to the point where they can be picked up by one hand. Nico puts into two new containers, saying they "will keep on waiting for the prince's kiss." Kazumi asks when everyone found out about the connection between magical girls and wishes. Umika touches her forehead to Kazumi's, telling her to remember everything.

The story flashes back into the past. Umika, Kaoru, Satomi, Mirai, Nico, and Saki are standing on a catwalk. They are all displaying a witch's kiss on their necks, and Mirai is shown wearing glasses with her hair pulled back in pigtails. Mirai's despair comes from when she was at school, and the other students want nothing to do with her. As she walks home, Mirai clutches her teddy-bear, saying she's not lonely because she has all of them. We then find that her room is filled with teddy-bears. As she begins sewing one of them, she admits she wants friends and starts crying.

The girls standing on the catwalk jump off, as a voice says, "Everyone should just die." The voice is cut-off by a familiar spell with ribbons wrapping around the girls, stopping their fall. Their savior is none other than Kazumi, who says, "Ciao! You suicidal girls!"

Kazumi then opens up a witch's barrier around herself and the girls. Familiars appear and start attacking the normal girls while Kazumi watches. Kaoru tries to use her crutch to fight them off, but falls down. Umika shields her with her body. Mirai does something similar for Saki. Satomi asks why Kazumi isn't helping. Kazumi responds by asking why they don't want to be eaten if they want to die. She then pulls six firearms from her hat and drops them on the ground. The familiars combine, revealing that they were actually a witch. The girls pick up the weapons and fire at the witch, deflating it like a balloon. It re-inflates itself and charges. Kazumi stops the witch with her cross, saying that "As long as you keep trying to live, you won't fall into despair" and that there's always hope. She then fires "Limit Esterni", destroying the witch.

As the barrier disappears, Saki asks "What was that?" A silhouette appears behind her, looking similar to Kyubey. It turns out to be Jubey, who says that was Magical Girl Kazumi, who hunts witches. A loud growling noise is heard, which turns out to be Kazumi being hungry. It's revealed that her ahoge was absent in the past (though the symbol is still on her hat and earring-bell). The scene changes to Kazumi's house, where she eats with the Pleiades. She talks about how her grandmother said that people eat plants and animals to live, and so they have a duty to them to keep living. She asks the girls about her strawberry risotto, which was passed down from her grandmother. When they respond positively, Kazumi says that her grandmother would be happy to hear that. Saki asks where her grandmother is now, prompting Kazumi to reveal that she had passed away. She tells them not worry. As Kazumi goes to get desert, Saki asks her how she became a magical girl.

Kazumi explains she became a magical girl the day her grandmother died. The story flashes back again to Kazumi's past. She narrates that she was studying abroad when she learned that her grandmother's condition became critical. While hurrying home, she ran straight into a witch's barrier. Fortunately, she's saved by [[Mami Tomoe]], who destroys the witch with "Tiro Finale". When Kazumi thanks her, Mami tells her to get going and be careful. At Kazumi's home, a doctor explains that her grandmother only has a few days left unless she's hooked up to a respiratory machine and it's unlikely that she'll wake up. Kazumi says that her grandmother would never want to go on life support. Later and alone with her grandmother, Kazumi starts crying and says that she wants her grandmother to open her eyes, just once more. Jubey appears on the windowsill, saying that he can grant her wish if she makes a contract and becomes a magical girl.

Jubey tells Kazumi being a magical girl is difficult. Kazumi is fine with that and wishes for her grandmother to return to her normal self as long as she remains alive. Jubey asks if she's fine with not curing her grandmother's illness. Kazumi says she wants to, but it wouldn't be respecting her way of life. The contract is established. Kazumi's grandmother wakes up, asking if it's a dream. Kazumi says it's her last dream, and asks her grandmother if she can teach her how to make strawberry risotto. Kazumi spends the day learning cooking skills and advice from her grandmother. She tells Kazumi that people can't fall into despair as she gives Kazumi her earring-bell; the same earring-bell Kazumi has worn throughout the series. The flashback in a flashback ends as Kazumi says her grandmother went to heaven the next day.
[[File:Moe_Mirai.JPG|right|thumb|300px|It's another megane moe girl!]]

Saki asks why Kazumi didn't just wish her grandmother to be healthy, saying Kazumi is now all alone. Kazumi says her grandmother will always be in her heart, just like Miyuki will be in Saki's heart (Miyuki here is revealed to be Saki's sister). Mirai asks if she can be a magical girl. Jubey tells her she can if she accepts her fate of fighting witches. Mirai says she can accept anything. Umika, Kaoru, Satomi, Nico and Saki quickly chime in agreement. Kazumi cheers over having new friends. Mirai questions the fact that she's a friend, prompting Saki to thank Mirai for protecting her. Jubey tells the girls to give him their wishes. Mirai says her wish was already granted by having friends. Saki suggests wishing for the friends that have always protected her - Mirai's teddy bears. She points to a number on it, asking Mirai if it's her 666th friends. When Mirai asks how Saki knew, Saki explains that her sister did the same thing. Mirai decides to wish for a museum for all her teddy bears. Kazumi suggests calling it "Angelica Bears" which is a pun on Mirai's name and the Ashitaba plant (Mirai's name means "Future Young Leaf", Ashitaba means "Tomorrow's Leaf" and is in the Angelica genus).

Satomi then wishes to talk to animals. Nico whispers her wish to Jubey, embarrassed to say it aloud. Saki wishes for her sister's flower to bloom forever. Umika wishes for an editor to recognize and handle her works preciously. Kaoru wants to help the people that were hurt in the match where she had her injury. Kazumi asks her about her injuries, but Kaoru says she'll just return to the field with her current legs. The contracts are completed, and Kazumi names their team the Pleiades Saints. The scene cuts to the girls fighting a witch. Kaoru destroys it with her spiked shoes. Jubey asks about her strengthened magical girl body. Kaoru is very happy about it. Kazumi calls Kaoru's attack Capitano Potenza ("Captain Power"), and reveals she wants everyone to call their attacks, even recording them in a book. Kazumi reveals that she's following the lead of Mami Tomoe and says she won't cook for the girls if they don't do it. Saki then notices Kazumi's earrings are missing. Kazumi guesses she lost them in the battle, but admits it's okay because her grandmother won't disappear from her heart. Later on Kazumi receives a new pair of the earrings. Kaoru explains that Saki asked her dad to get them while he was on a business trip. Kazumi thanks Saki, while Mirai has a sad or angry expression on her face.

Later, Kaoru and the other Pleiades (except Kazumi) wonder why Kazumi is late, having been told Kazumi was bringing a new friend. Jubey appears, saying a witch's barrier is nearby. They run to Asunaro Dome, where they see Yuuri Asuka transform into a witch. After the battle the girls are stunned. Satomi asks if magical girls turn into witches. Jubey explains how witches are created, and says his job is to gather the energy form the conversion of hope to despair. Kaoru grabs Jubey while he explains that immature witches should be called magical girls. Suddenly, Umika grabs Jubey and slams her head against him. A laser fires from her eye into his. Jubey falls down and asks why Umika is looking scary. Umika explains to Kaoru that she rewrote Jubey's memories, preventing him from making contracts. The story then returns to the present. Kazumi says she remembers hunting magical girls after Yuuri, but then suddenly falls over. The symbol for the Evil Nuts appears in her eyes. Umika leads Kazumi out as Kaoru says they should rest for the day.

==Powers, Weapons & Abilities==
She wields a staff with an elaborate heart-shaped design on the end with which she can fire magic. During chapter 9, {{Spoiler|Mirai, enraged, reveals a number of abilities. She is able to transform her staff into a gigantic sword, and she can summon a platoon of teddy bears with an attack called ''La Bestia'' (''The Beasts''). The bears can also fuse into a single massive bear with ''La Bestia Rifare'' (''Remake the Beast'').}}

==Trivia==
* Her last name means "new leaf".
* Her last name can also be used as a first name.
* Her first name is written in hiragana which has no particular meaning. However, when written in kanji, it can mean "future" (未来).
* Mirai has heart decorations on her headband, collar, shoes, and on the back of her dress when transformed, matching her staff. {{Spoiler|Her bears also have heart decorations on their ears, and the largest bear has them on its ears, tail and collar, as well. This symbol can also been seen on the collar of her school uniform.}} Her costume originally featured a witch's hat, but it no longer appears for unknown reasons.
* Mirai apparently owns a teddy-bear museum called ''[[Angelica Bears]]'', first seen in chapter 9. {{Spoiler|The Pleiades Saints' 'Freezer' facility is concealed below the building.}}
** The museum was {{Spoiler|created as a result of Mirai's wish, and was}} named by Kazumi.
* Mirai {{Spoiler|appears to be very attached to Saki. When she is injured by a witch in chapter 9, Mirai screams "''YOU HURT MY SAKI''", flies into a rage and kills the witch in one shot.}}
** In Chapter 12, {{Spoiler|Mirai can be seen glowering while Saki gives Kazumi replacement earrings as a gift.}}
* A single panel in Chapter 12 shows Mirai unexpectedly wearing a witch hat while transformed. This hat matches one of the Pleiades' silhouettes from Chapter 1, though Mirai has never been seen wearing it at any other time.
* The panels of the manga show that Mirai's magical girl costume has polka dots on it. However, in all of the official colored images of Mirai, her costume is solid pink with no traces of polka dots.

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==Speculation==
===Current Speculation===
* It is speculated that Mirai may have [[:file:Mirai jelly slut 4chan u.jpg|a deep-seated jealousy of Kazumi]], due to her closeness to Saki. It is possible she may have acted upon it in the past, or may in the future.

===Past Speculation===
* Some speculated that Mirai wish was similar to [[Kirika]]'s wish in [[Oriko Magica]], and that {{Spoiler|she wished to change her personality}}.
** She may also have wished {{Spoiler|for friends}}.

==Gallery==
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:MiraiPAWNCH.png|Mirai losing her temper with Kazumi.
File:MiraiWeapon.png|A closer look at Mirai's staff.
File:MiraiPowers.png
File:Fowoard_photo_t1111.jpg|Mirai in color with [[Satomi]] and [[Kazumi]].
File:La_Bestia.PNG|La Bestia
File:La_Bestia_Rifare.jpg|La Bestia Rifare
File:Mirai_sword.jpg
File:MiraiPastSelf.png|Mirai, as she looked in the past, wearing a much longer skirt, glasses and with a different hairstyle. Note the similar appearance to [[Homura]] in episode 10.
File:Miraihat.png
File:Mirai saki new friends.jpg|For the first time in her life, Mirai has friends.
File:Cute_Mirai.jpg
File:Screen_shot_2012-02-20_at_12.50.08_AM.jpg|Mirai in color.
File:Kazumi_vol3_melonbooks_bonus.jpg|Mirai and Saki on a paper file included with Kazumi Magica volume 3.
File:Vol3_ZETSUBOU.jpg|One of Mirai's teddy bears, along with several of the other Pleiades' belongings.
File:Kazumi Magica 18 Spoiler mogu mogu.jpg| WARNING: {{Spoiler|[[Mami Tomoe|I've seen that before...]]}}
</gallery>

==Fanart==
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File:Mirai La Bestia Rifare fanart.png
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Kazumi Magica Witches

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The witches of [[Kazumi Magica]]. They come in two varieties: witches that are the same as the ones that appear in the anime, and "pseudo-witches", which are imitation witches, as the name implies.

==Pseudo-Witches==
"Pseudo-witches" are a type of witch unique to the Kazumi Magica manga. They are actually human women that are implanted with an imitation [[Grief Seed]] called an "[[Evil Nut]]". When they are defeated, the Evil Nut separates from the woman, much like when a witch drops a Grief Seed. Unlike regular witches, the women return to normal after they are defeated. They appear to lose their memory of the events that occurred while they are under the Evil Nut's influence, similar to those affected by a [[Witch's Kiss]].

===Preying Mantis Witch===
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This is an unnamed witch appearing in [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_Titles_and_Summaries|chapter 1]] of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica.

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A pseudo-witch that Yuuri created from a policewoman named [[Misako Ishijima]]. It appears in Chapter 1.

=== Images ===
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:MantisWitch1.jpg
</gallery>

===Cosmetics Witch===
This is an unnamed witch appearing in [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_Titles_and_Summaries|chapter 2]] of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica.

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A pseudo-witch that Yuuri created from a cosmetics saleswoman named Kyouka Shida, who protested the sale and use of cheap, unhealthy cosmetics. She attempted to attack a ganguro concert, but was defeated by Kazumi, Umika and Kaoru.

=== Images ===
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:KazumiCosmeticsWoman.png|The saleswoman in her human form.
File:CosmeticsWitch01.png
File:CosmeticsWitch02.png|The witch form separating from the woman.
</gallery>

==Anime-style Witches==
==="Prologue"===

"Prologue" is a witch appearing in [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_Titles_and_Summaries|chapter 3]] of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica.

{{Card
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|english_desc =
|image = File:Card Kazumi Witch 3.png
|type = Unknown (Bookmobile witch?)
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===Minions===
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|name = Unknown
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|english_desc = The witch's minion. Bookmark humans.
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|task = Unknown
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A witch fought by the Pleiades Saints in chapter 3. It captured Umika and Kaoru. The other five Saints tracked it down after discovering that its barrier moved around on the same schedule as the Asunaro Library's bookmobile. Kazumi killed it with a precision strike from outside the barrier after the other Saints signaled her.

===Trivia and Speculation===

* This witch was designed as a drawing found in children's picture books, according to Takashi Tensugi.
* "Prologue" may not be the witch's real name - [[File_talk:Callsign_%27Prologue%27.jpg|the translation of the design notes]] refer to the Chapter 3 witch as "Callsign 'Prologue'", suggesting Prologue may be a design nickname.

=== Images ===
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:The innocent malice 1 141.jpg|Design notes on Prologue.
File:PrologueWitchUKK.png|Prologue's first encounter with Kazumi, Umika and Kaoru.
File:PrologueWitchMaw.JPG|Prologue ripping a hole in itself to attack Kaoru.
File:PrologueWitchHealing.png|Minions sewing up Prologue's wounds.
</gallery>

===Nie Blühen Herzen===

"Nie Blühen Herzen" is the witch form of "[[Yuuri]]" ([[Airi Anri]]), and appears in [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_Titles_and_Summaries|chapter 5 and 6]] of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica.

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===Minions===
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|name = Unknown
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|image =
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[[Yuuri]]/[[Airi]]'s witch form resembles a giant heart, which [[Yuri_undertones| may have certain implications]]. The rings on Yuuri's weaponry also appear on the witch.

When Kazumi attempts to turn Yuuri back to a human, it causes Yuuri's body to rise out from the witch, while still being connected to it. She appears to have almost no sense of self left, continuously repeating the last spell she used on Kazumi. Notably, her speech bubbles use the [[Deciphering_the_runes| runic language]]. It was defeated by the [[Pleiades Saints]].

===Trivia and Speculation===
* In volume 2's design notes, the witch is described thusly (by the illustrator, Takashi Tensugi): ''"A wounding heart and a wounded heart. Her defibrillators resemble twintails. Her image is based on sickly Airi, who lingered on and was revived. Her familiars are flower bulbs. Did she think of herself as being rooted to the hospital? Attribute: Self-rejection. Weak point: Poison in medicine. Her cries of 'pchh pchh' are the angry pulsing of her blood vessels."''
* Her name was provided by Masaki Hiramatsu, the writer of Kazumi Magica. It means, "never blooming hearts," in German.
** Technically, the correct German name would be "Nie blühende Herzen." It may have been intended as grammatically wrong by Masaki Hiramatsu.

=== Images ===
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Nie_Bluhen_Herzen.jpg | Design notes on Airi's witch.
File:Airiyuuriwitchform.png
</gallery>

===Arzt Kochen===

"Arzt Kochen" is the witch form of [[Yuuri Asuka]], and appears in [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_Titles_and_Summaries|chapter 5]] of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica.

{{Card
|name = Arzt Kochen
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|english_desc =
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===Minions===
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|name = Unknown
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}}

[[Yuuri Asuka]]'s witch form resembles a giant hypodermic needle, similar to her weapon as a magical girl. Giant forks come out of her body, which probably refers to either Yuuri's cooking talents or transforming into a witch during a cooking contest. The forks also contrast with the spoon amulet she carried, acting as a sort of evil counterpart; in fact, when the witch drops Yuuri's amulet, it possesses a dark fork in the handle in the opposite direction of the spoon (which then vanishes as the last part of Yuuri's witch form). It was defeated by the [[Pleiades Saints]].

===Trivia and Speculation===
* In volume 2's design notes, the witch is described thusly (by the illustrator, Takashi Tensugi): ''"After shoving anesthetic into the humans who enter her barrier, she cuts out their injured parts and completely cooks them. However, there are no humans who can endure this surgery. There is nothing that she can save. Her familiars are forks. Attribute: (Excessive) devotion. Weakness: Things that have no need for her. Her cries(?) of 'pssh pssh' are the sound of her syringes and forks."''
* Her name was provided by Masaki Hiramatsu, the writer of Kazumi Magica. It means, "cooking doctor," in German. Literally, it means "Doctor Cooking" in German.

=== Images ===
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Arzt_Kochen.jpg | Design notes on Yuuri's witch.
File:Asukayuuriwitchform.png
File:Real Yuuri's barrier.png
File:Real yuuri pendant spoon fork shadow.jpg
File:Arzt_kochen_by_craz1-d50dkud.jpg|Fanart of Artz Kochen.
</gallery>

===Chapter 5 Witch(?)===
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|type = Unknown
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A witch (possibly a familiar) that was ''very'' briefly seen being killed by Yuuri.

=== Images ===
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:chapter 5 poor thing.JPG | The single glimpse of the witch that we're given.
</gallery>

===Weiße Königin===

"Weiße Königin" is the witch form of [[Nico Kanna]], and appears in [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_Titles_and_Summaries|chapters 8 and 9]] of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica.

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|type = Bullet witch
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The witch form of [[Nico Kanna]]'s "spare." Its form is that of a shooting gallery dummy, with target circles spiraling outward from its forehead. The forehead has a large hole that extends to the back of the head, like a bullet hole. Its arms are giant blades that are used like scissors, and it has no lower body or legs. It was defeated by [[Mirai Wakaba]].

===Trivia and Speculation===
* In Chapter 7 Nico is reading an article about a Japanese kid shooting people in California. The appearance of the witch suggests some sort of connection.
**This theory was proven correct. {{Spoiler|In Chapter 10, it is revealed that when she was a kid she accidentally killed her friends with a gun and injured herself in the process}}.
* Notably, the Grief Seed for the witch does not have the same emblem as Nico's Soul Gem - Nico's Soul Gem is a hexagon, while the witch's Grief Seed is a diamond.
* Many small shooting-gallery targets, possibly her minions, float around in the witch's barrier.
* In Volume 3's design notes, the witch is described thusly: ''"The witch of bullets, with a guilty nature. Because she feels like she's always being blamed for something, when someone enters her barrier, she eliminates them immediately."''
* The witch is named in Volume 3's design notes. Its name means "White Queen" in German.

=== Images ===
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File:Chapter 9 runes.jpg|The birth of the witch.
File:Kazumi9WitchBattle01.jpg|Its subsequent defeat.
File:WEISSE_KONIGIN.jpg|Volume 3's design notes.
</gallery>

===Hungrige Pumpe===

"Hungrige Pumpe" is a witch that attacked the Pleiades Saints, and appears in [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_Titles_and_Summaries|chapter 11]] of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica.

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A witch that attacked the Pleiades Saints before they became magical girls. Kazumi met them for the first time while rescuing them from it. It resembles a large eel-like creature with a bonnet-like jellyfish on its head.

===Trivia and Speculation===
* The witch initially appeared as a swarm of familiar-like creatures, which then fused together into a single being, much like [[Mirai Wakaba]]'s ''La Bestia'' attack.
* The eel-like part of the witch deflates and shrivels up when shot by the Pleiades.
** The jellyfish on top then reinflates it like a balloon, possibly as part of a symbiotic relationship.
* Her barrier resembles a beach, with several [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torii toriis] standing in the water and coral.
* It is vaguely reminiscent of the description of the second witch that appeared in [[Drama CD 3]].
* In Volume 3's design notes, the witch is described thusly: ''"The witch of the ancient sea. Attribute: Hates being lonely. A witch reminiscent of colony-type lifeforms such as coral and jellyfish. It's unclear whether a bunch of familiars join together to form the witch, or if the witch breaks apart into familiar-like things. Because her body is a colony, she cannot be fatally wounded even if parts of her are destroyed. She cannot be destroyed unless the entire colony is wiped out at once. Despite her appearance, she's pretty tenacious."''
* The witch is named in Volume 3's design notes. Its name roughly means "Hungry Pump" in German.

=== Images ===
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File:chapter 11 witchlings.JPG | The smaller creatures that the witch initially appeared as.
File:chapter 11 witch inflation.JPG | The witch, before and after reinflating itself.
File:chapter 11 witch second form.JPG | Hungrige Pumpe's second form
File:Hungrige_Pumpe%27s_barrier.jpg|Hungrige Pumpe's barrier
File:Hungrige_Pumpe.jpg
File:Big_mouth.jpg
File:HUNGRIGE_PUMPE.jpg|Volume 3's design notes
File:Hungrige_pump_by_craz1-d4zwrf3.jpg
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===Chapter 11 Witch 2===

This is an unnamed witch appearing in [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_Titles_and_Summaries|chapter 11]] of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica.

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A witch (or possibly a familiar?) that attacked Kazumi before she became a magical girl. It was swiftly killed by [[Mami Tomoe]].

=== Images ===
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File:chapter 11 witch number 2.JPG
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===Chapter 12 Witch===

This is an unnamed witch appearing in [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_Titles_and_Summaries|chapter 12]] of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica.

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A witch (or possibly a familiar?) that the Pleiades Saints killed in Chapter 12.

===Trivia and Speculation===
*The witch, and some structures in its barrier, vaguely resemble cacti.

=== Images ===
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File:Chapter 12 witch.PNG
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===Chapter 15 Witch===
An unnamed witch appearing in [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_Titles_and_Summaries|chapter 15]] of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica. It is the witch form of {{Spoiler|Satomi Usagi}}.

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The witch form of {{Spoiler|Satomi Usagi}}. It is vaguely humanoid, with a whistle for a head and a circular cage for a dress. The witch has a smaller, rabbit-like form that hides inside of the outer shell's dress.

===Trivia and Speculation===
* The witch appears to be an animal tamer. Her barrier is decorated with cages and she uses a whip to attack.
* Her familiars are small cats with mouths on their foreheads. They are somewhat reminiscent of [[Jubey]]. Kazumi turns them against the witch and uses them to blow up its outer shell.

===Gallery===
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File:Chapter 15 witch.png
File:Chapter 15 witch outer part.PNG
File:Chapter 15 witch inner part.PNG
File:Cat familiars.PNG|The familiars turning on the witch.
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===Chapter 16 Witch===
An unnamed witch that briefly appears in [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_Titles_and_Summaries|chapter 16]] of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica, battling late magical girl Remi Shiina.

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==Trivia & Speculation==
* The witch bears a passing resemblance to [[Rosasharn]], from Oriko Magica.
* The witch also resembles Hungrige Pumpe.
* The witch is surrounded by what appear to be slingshots and bags of cookies.

==Gallery==
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File:Remi_Shiina.jpg|Remi battling the witch (visible in the lower-left corner).
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===Chapter 17 Witch===
An unnamed witch that briefly appears in [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_Titles_and_Summaries|chapter 17]] of Puella Magi Kazumi Magica, killed by Kazumi.

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[[Category:Witches| Kazumi Magica]]

Talk:Puella Magi Kazumi Magica: The innocent malice

2012-06-25T16:25:47Z

Derp101(2): /* SPECULAH: Relation between Kazumi Magica and the Zodiac */

== Names ==

Is it "Niko" or "Nico"? The scanlations use the latter. -[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Wait. Independent chapters? ==

I'm seeing Chapters One through Three of Kazumi on Mangafox. Yet the first volume is only coming out in May 12th?
I am kinda nob when it comes to manga... so, does "serialization" means that these chapters are coming out in Kirara Forward each month, before they're packed together and released as a volume? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

: Yes. Most manga series are published chapter-by-chapter each week or month in a magazine, with volumes being released whenever a set number of chapters is reached. [[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.100|64.89.144.100]] 20:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

::In that case, should we add each chapter's release date? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

:::I believe a release date along with a summary of the chapters would be in order, with proper spoiler tags of course.

== Runes? ==
I think there is some runic text in Kazumi chapter 1. Anyone have a translation? - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:Do you have a scan or something? Might as well try and translate them, I'm pretty bored anyway. Also, we should probably make a page for them then, [[Runes:Kazumi Magica]] or something. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 14:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:: [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c001/4.html I see them here, but suddenly I'm not sure if they were added there by the scanlators or not.] There ''might'' be some [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c003/5.html here] as well, I'm not sure. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 15:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the first one is obviously added by the scanlator. It reads "scanlated by /a/non for /a/non, raws from [something I couldn't read due to quality]". --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::The mysterious characters on the second one don't look like any recognized runes to me. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::In case you're talking about　"入口は？？", that's japanese. I can't make it quite out, but it should say something like "Entrance this way". --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 16:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::::Oh my. I know enough Japanese to know what 入口 is, but it's such an obfuscated font I'd never tell it's kanji. Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::The last scanlator runeword matches the raw provider name in the watermark in the next page, and it's mixing archaic and modern.
::::: Thank you all very much, sorry for the inconvenience. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Juubey? ==

Where'd you get this from? O.o [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:[[File:Juubey.jpg|200px]]
:It seems that scans leaked on 2ch. [[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 13:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:: Now notice the shadow next to Juubey in the first panel. Juubey may not be an Incubator after all... -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Jubey's definitely an Incubator. The girl on the second page (I forget her name) calls him/her/it "the fairy that made us into puella magi". It seems that Kyubey is present on the first page, though...--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Exactly. Kyubey is a hive mind. Why would he need to talk to himself like that? I think the fact that it's a "fairy" is going to be a major point. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 16:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Even if there's a hive mind, that doesn't mean they can simply telepathically talk or instantly know what another Incubator is up to. Like the Human Interfaces in Haruhi.--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Volume 1 ==
Dumb question: I would imagine that since it's being released the same time as ''Oriko'' it might get lost in the shuffle, but is there anyone who's planning to look through it and see if there are any differences/additions to the original serialized chapters? -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:If someone will upload the scans (raws are fine) of the tankobon somewhere (preferably as some DDL, but torrent is OK, too), then I can do that. But seeing how Kazumi is rather unpopular, I'm not so sure of the scan availability. I don't plan on buying Kazumi myself. Not in the slightest. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 20:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:: Yeah, that's what concerns me. I'd do it myself, if I could get the scans, but...--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::It is? Uh... it's got half a million views in MangaFox, but then again, I guess that doesn't translate in the "Madoka is sold out EVERYWHERE" thing we had with the original manga. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::: It's more that I'm worried Kazumi will be ignored when Oriko comes out. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:::: Well obviously. Slapping the main characters on it = automatic profit. And Kazumi was just getting intresting :/ (well, to most people. I've liked it since the start. Though it might just be because I love Kazumi and real tech mixed with magic (the GPS, Yuuri's SMGs are ''almost'' [[wikipedia:Walther MPL|Walther MPL]]'s, etc.)) --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

:So, now that it's actually out, has there been any mention of changes/additions? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::At least the Soul Gems were redrawn. The Grief Seed probably too, but there's no scan of that page. --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 03:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::[[File:kazumicomparison.jpg|200px]]

== Expansion ==

This is a question that also applies to Oriko. Right now, we have a single page to cover everything in each manga release. Granted, they're nearly not the same scale as Madoka, and one of them is just a medium conversion with few changes. But still, there's more to it than just this.
The most obvious example being a page for Kazumi herself, Umika and Kaoru, and another for the Pleiades Saints. And maybe then think about other stuff. I volunteer to work on it, but I won't be able to until the weekend, university and fencing are keeping me locked up. But that's not really my main question. That would be: should it be done? Okay, this is "Puella Magi wiki", not "Madoka wiki". But given the obviously huge focus on Madoka, and the apparent lack of interest in the spin-offs (so far), is it justifiable? I certainly think so, but I want to hear from you. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I myself am not interested in the spinoffs, but definitely think that ''Kazumi'' at least should get its own set of character pages and the like. My only problem is with ''Oriko'': the current translation of the second volume's synopsis calls it the "concluding" volume, meaning that the series most likely isn't going to have enough content to justify taking up more than one page -- especially considering that any new insight into the anime characters can just be entered onto ''their'' preexisting pages. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 03:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::I support Kazumi pages. Oriko at the very least should get her own page. It's approximately 8 chapters, which is relatively significant. [[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 05:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think it's best to separate manga characterizations from the anime ones. Oriko is described as a spin-off, so events and characterizations may not be considered canon to the anime. We know even the direct adaptation manga has significant differences from the anime. For example, the manga shows Sayaka killing the men on the train whereas Shinbo in the anime chose not to go that route. Either interpretation was acceptable to Urobuchi who left the scenario open to both so neither are technically wrong but it would be confusing and a bit misleading to not clearly state what was in the anime and what was in the manga. This would also apply to the background information on Madoka's characters from Oriko. I'm all for having it included but the source should be clearly stated and preferably categorized so it avoids any confusion. As for Kazumi, as long as the pages stay under the manga section, it sounds fine, just don't want it under the characters page where people might get confused with them and the Madoka anime characters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 05:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

SUGGESTION: Since the character pages all need to be cleaned up a little big in general (speculah about characters should be moved to a new speculah page for characters, for example, and be tagged right/wrong/uncomfirmed), redundant discussions need to be trimmed, etc etc, just add a "in the manga" section to each character page that will, as necessary, detail their involvement in the mangas. Furthermore, I believe that each major manga character (so Kazumi and Oriko, at least) should get their own page on the characters page. Just add a section for manga-only characters.
:The character pages do need clean-up however I don't think Kazumi or any other manga-only characters (like in Oriko) should be included with the Madoka ones. The website is dedicated to Puella Magi (or Mahou Shoujo) Madoka Magica. That means the character pages should really only be dedicated to those characters in the anime. The manga only characters belong in the manga section as something in addition that might interest people, but isn't the main focus or draw to this site. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 07:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::I agree with the sentiment, but why have a wiki for the anime and a wiki for the manga when we could have a single unified wiki that properly identifies what comes from the manga and what comes from the anime? This just seems like it'll split the fanbase between working on a manga wiki and working on an anime wiki... and guess which one will get more attention and which one will be incomplete and barely worked on if that happens? I'm not seeing the harm in adding manga material, as long as it is clearly identified and marked which is what. Not only that, but knowing that the mangas are being produced by the same company, they may reveal things that will fill in the blanks for the anime. If a decision can't be reached by single individuals, though... why not hold a poll?

::Actually, the wiki is called "puella-magi.net" (as opposed to the previous one who was madoka-centered), and the homepage states "(...) as well as any subsequent works.", so like the guy above me (who didn't sign his comment by the way), I think manga characters do have their place here. Why not just add a new row "Manga characters" in the [[Characters]]'s table? (just like Madoka's family and classmates) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Let me see if I can explain my thinking in clearer, more straight-forward fashion. The most logical way I see to fix the issues discussed is for: the manga to have its own subsection (equivalent to setting, products, media etc.) and in that section, each manga would have a separate listing under it. Then, you can break out the manga into a chapters and character page. This is a simple way to solve the issues of growth and also clearly separates what happens in the anime from what happens in the manga. You can also then provide a link from the anime characters pointing to the manga character page(s) to give additional information/discrepancies between what occurred in the anime and manga, but having separate pages makes it easy to see what characteristic was derived from which source.
:::On the other hand, if you'd did it the other way people are suggesting, adding manga-only characters to the character section, it could easily become confusing to someone who is not familiar with both the anime and manga. It's also inconsistent with the format of the section under settings where location, glossary and (of course) episodes are all anime-specific. Then you may open up the can of worms where people start adding manga-only items to location, glossary, etc. If you say well why does any of this matter? It's because there are always discrepancies between "canon anime," "canon manga," and "spin-off manga," that are viewed as different level of authority by fans and it's important to them to know the distinction. Anytime those lines start getting blurred, you'll get a host of questions and arguments that could have been avoided by knowing that X came from this source and Y came from this other source, and OK the first source is canon and the second one isn't. Speaking from the painful experience of seeing this happen many times before with other franchises--well, it's always good to keep source material as clear as possible.
:::One final comment: It only takes one or two dedicated fans to update the wiki on a manga volume and it seems Kazumi has those fans. I don't see why people are concerned it'll get neglected. Even if Kazumi updates are delayed because of Oriko's premiere, that would only be reflecting the fanbase interests and the wiki doing what it's suppose to: providing the info that's most interesting and timely to the fanbase. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 15:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay, I get your point better now, and it makes sense indeed. We just have to be careful to link the pages properly to give the "Manga" part of the wiki the attention it desserves, and to carefully state what should go where. The easiest way to do so would probably be to use a new namespace, "Manga:", for all those pages, right? Also, another advantage I see in your way of separating things is that character pages (as well as others) won't grow any bigger that way. If we merge both the anime and manga info into one page, then it'd grow into a wall of text even bigger than it is now. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::In all seriousness, have you ever seen any wiki related to some fictional work to have many pages about the same character for different media he/she appears in? The only example I am aware of is Asuka from Evangelion on the [http://wiki.evageeks.org EvaGeeks wiki]. Since her name and biography is quite different in the Rebuild movies, they chose to just mention her Rebuild version briefly in the main article ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Langley_Soryu Asuka Langley Soryu]) and make a separate article for the Rebuild character ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Shikinami_Langley Asuka Shikinami Langley]).
:::::But look at [http://wiki.evageeks.org/Shinji_Ikari the page about Shinji]. There are several paragraphs about him in the original series and The End of Eva (treated jointly), and then subsections "in the manga", "in other Eva-base manga", "in Rebuild of Eva". They have no speculah section, but a trivia section titled "Notes", so it kind of evens out ;)
:::::Anyway, the Madoka manga does not really differ ''that'' much from the anime. Even though I kind of outdid myself [[Manga differences|spotting almost every single difference]], most of them are fairly insignificant in terms of character development. Knowing the exact wording of Mami's wish or not? Sayaka killing the men on the train or not? Charlotte looking different in her caterpillar form? Kyubey having facial expression or not? Do they really justify making separate pages for anime and manga versions of every single character? I don't think so.
:::::The only appearance of Madoka character in Kazumi is Kyubey's cameo and Madoka's silhouette as an illustration of a Puella Magi, which are totally insignificant for anything other than noting it. I don't think we'll ever see other anime characters in Kazumi, since it takes place in a different city. And Kazumi isn't in conflict with anime canon in terms of "the laws of the universe".
:::::Oriko will be a different beast, because many of Madoka's main characters are also Oriko's main characters. But even if it will be in direct conflict with the anime canon, I vote for just having an "In other media" section, and then subsections "In ''Madoka'' manga", "In ''Oriko'' manga" etc. We don't have two separate Madokas (or Mamis, Homuras, Kyoukos, Kyubeys), it's the same character. And having many timelines doesn't change it (can you seriously imagine having separate page for eg. Keiichi from Higurashi for every arc?). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::So in the end it all comes down to how much difference there is between sources. If existing characters start changing a lot in one of the series, then they may need a separate page, but not if it's just minor changes/no changes at all, where a single section would be enough ... (note that there isn't much difference between both solution if the pages are linked proprely) Anyway, I have to admit I don't follow any of the manga series, so I'll leave the debate to you guys. Just one last suggestion: why don't we do as usual, i.e. solving problems when they're here? We could just add stuff to the existing pages for now, and start thinking of another organization if it gets too messy in the future right? None of the pages look like they'd need a refactoring in the near future to me, and we still barely know anything about Kazumi/Oriko Magica so it's a bit hard to anticipate at this rate ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, sorry, I saw this discussion as a future direction, e.g. after Oriko and Kazumi's new volumes are out. Right now even the manga pages aren't even half as long as say, Homura's character page. So they're fine as one-pagers at the moment.
::::::Hm, I think you're misunderstanding in thinking there'd be a "Manga Homura" page versus "Anime Homura" page. What I'm proposing is a "Manga Character page" for each manga so for instance, Kazumi would have a page listing all its characters. Madoka and Oriko's manga would provide for anime characters: a blurb description, a link to the anime-specific characters page, then list things unique to that manga. Then for Oriko it would list all the manga-specific characters like the three new girls, witches, etc. This to me is far clearer and easier for users than adding all the manga-only characters in Oriko and Kazumi to the already long list of characters, and then add more sections to the already lengthy anime character pages. I hear you about the wikis with the Eva examples and that makes sense when you normally have brief, general summaries that you can put together where there's consensus, and easily see where there's major differences from different sources. I personally prefer that format for character pages and I'd be for it if things were rolled up in summary format. But I see Madoka's wiki is different with very detailed levels of information for well, everything (like the summary paragraphs of all the manga vs. anime differences...that's not something you normally see on a wiki), and people seemed inclined in only adding and not trimming things back. When things are that detailed, it makes sense to separate out pages to reduce length and confusion. Madoka's manga doesn't have much but if people show as much interest in detailing things for Oriko, those character pages can really get out-of-hand. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::OK, I think I see your point now, and it seems we don't really differ much, if at all ;) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::::<s>Full-blown discussion engaged. Just as keikaku.</s> Don't mind me addressing initial ponderings, I was away all day. First, of course a proper separation is needed. I never in any way doubted that. The issue was "how", not "if", and you handled better than I would have. So, two main lines of thought, so far: a strong separation between anime and manga stuff, or a higher level of interaction, while asserting their differences. I must go with the last one. Character pages for ''at least'' the major manga characters (well... it's not like Madoka follows that rule), "In other media" sections for anime ones, and a "manga characters" section at the Characters page. But I do absolutely agree that the differences in canon must be properly stated. Maybe some sort of header on both saying: (NOTE: It is unclear how canonical the events of the manga editions are towards the anime. Use caution.) Or something of the kind (shorter, of course). As for things getting out of hand... that's what were here for, no? Although I do not believe things will go down that road. If they didn't with the anime (or rather: they did, but we rode through the storm), I find it hard to believe it will happen with Oriko, no matter the popularity. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 23:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Here's a suggestion. Stop me if I'm wrong. Character pages, IMO, should be divided like this:
*Brief Summary, First Appearance
*Personality (Brief Overview)
*History (backstory+role in the anime; this section would clearly point out that a character is NOT from the anime in the case of manga characters)
*In the Manga (information may not be canon; use section to give an overview of what they do in each manga series, if applicable; for example, this would be a good place to note things like 'in the manga, <so and so forth>'s weapon is slightly different' or 'in the manga, <so and so forth> actually kills <unimportant characters on a train>')
*Powers, Weapons & Abilities
*Trivia
*Gallery
*Link to Speculah Page

As it is right now, I won't lie, character pages look like shit. They're full of weird speculah, people have a tendency to use the various fields as mini-forums for discussion (instead of the talk pages), the official info sections are basically heaps of stuff, and the pages are NOT easy to read. Compare this to any other established wiki with dedicated character pages and... yeah, this is definitely a weird way to do it. More to the point: people need to stop using the character pages as discussion forums. They need to use the talk pages for that. If I'm wrong, then I guess it's no use hanging around and offering contributions now and again; I must have some odd, incompatible way of thinking for the people on this wiki.

:Well I agree to the rest we should make a character page. However we don't had much official images of the characters from Kazumi. Like separating the character tablet of Madoka and Kazumi. -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 07:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

::I agree that the character pages need a cleanup, and actually, [[Wishlist|it's in the wishlist]]. I also agree that the speculah section should be a little more formal, and not "I think this ... I disagree with him ...". I don't see a problem with people adding sub-points to a point of speculah, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tsundere/Anime tvtropes-like], but we should just be careful not to turn it into a talkpage (i.e. we should avoid personal opinion and prefer neutral speech for instance). As for the speculah section, if they're written correctly (and maybe cleaned up, like Homura's page), I don't see a reason to move them to another page. Since you're talking about other established wiki, just look at [http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo the Touhou wiki] for instance: there is also a part of speculah on the characters pages, even though it's far smaller than here (I don't think that delirium about Yukari's name is canon, but I may be mistaken). So yeah in conclusion I agree with you, except that I'd leave the speculah on the page if I were you. Also, I'm nitpicking here but I'm not sure "weapons and abilities" need a section on its own. What is there to write, except "Madoka uses a bow and has the ability to throw random stuff when things go downhill"? There's also [[Weapons|a page]] detailing what the weapons are, and so on. tl;dr I agree with your way of doing things, with some minor changes. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 08:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:::'Powers, abilities, etc' could link to the magic/magic speculah/weapon pages for more indepth outlooks. But for example, such a section on Homura's page would list out her shield, how it works (hourglass/one month), the timestopping, etc. The alternative would be to start including manga characters' stuff on those pages, which... risks making them swell and swell.
:Thinking about this again, I'm starting to think we may want to make character pages for ''all'' of the characters, not just the major ones. Whether or not they are "significant", they are still part of the franchise, and the wiki should keep organization even if it means making an article for a character nobody cares about. At least, even a supporting character in, say, ''Kazumi'' would be more important than, say, the Hospital Staff in ''Madoka''. [[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]] 06:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
::I agree. I wasn't sure what the reaction would be, so I just put everything about them in the [[Pleiades Saints]] page. There is just one problem: with the small amount of info we have so far, it'll be impossible to use the new character page setup. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:42, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:::It might be a good idea to just keep them to the [[Pleiades Saints]] page until we get more information, and then give them personal character pages. [[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 19:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to verify if I'm understanding the new proposed structure correctly, regarding the structure of the character breakdown.

Setting - All Anime specific
*Characters - 1) Character Summary Table[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Characters] -> 1.5) Individual Characters pages, now added manga sections ex: [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Homura_Akemi]
*Locations
*Glossary
*Episodes

Manga - Manga specific
*Madoka - 1) Chapters subpage
*Kazumi - 1) Chapters subpage, 2) Manga-specific Characters Summary table -> 2.5) Individual Characters pages
*Oriko - 1) Chapters subpage, 2) Manga-specific Characters Summary table -> 2.5) Individual Characters pages

Is this correct? --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:34, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:A lot of wikis (like the Haruhi Wiki, which I'm currently managing) have two character formats, one for major characters with a format with lots of detailed information, and one for characters we don't know much about and thus have a much more condensed format. Compare [http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Kyon this] (major character) and [http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Sasaki this] (minor character). Obviously this wiki would have a more organized format, but you get what I mean. [[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]] 19:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

:Hmmm We should also update this page http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Characters you know? As I said earlier, we should make another branch of it. Well I hadn't trying it so... -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 09:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

== Spoiler tags ==

I'm posting this in the Kazumi Magica talkpage, but it is not limited to Kazumi, but rather to the whole wiki. Kazumi Magica page can act as an example, and also helps me bring attention, since much of the wiki work now revolves around it ;)

Anyway - I feel the {{spoiler|inline spoiler tag}} is quite overused. I am using ir myself, following the common practice, but I somehow feel this is wrong. I even have a feeling that the inline spoiler tag is not well suited for the structure and character of this wiki. It works quite well on TVtropes, which has a more constant structure of pages, but... have you ever seen something like that on any other wiki? (what's more, our inline spoiler tag being black makes it less visually neat than TVtropes' white tag)

The idea is noble, but it leads to some weird situations. Here on Kazumi Magica page, having "Pleiades Saints" header spoilered, or even entire Chapter 4 summary doesn't look like it is what we've wanted...

I was talking about other established wikis above. The [http://wiki.evageeks.org/ EvaGeeks wiki] has only a spoiler warning box, and even more - uses it just for "recent media" (eg. the Rebuild movies). [http://starwars.wikia.com/ Wookiepedia] doesn't seem to have a spoiler tag ''at all'' (likely due to a line of thought that a wiki of some fictional work is primarily for people familiar with said work - it actually makes sense to me). [http://soranowoto.wikia.com/ So Ra No Wo To wiki], which may have been some kind of inspiration for ours (SRNWT being the original ''speculah'' anime) also only has a spoiler box... and doesn't use it anywhere. Spoiler boxes are also only kind of spoiler tags found on [http://en.touhouwiki.net/ Touhou Wiki] mentioned above and. Wikipedia actually got rid of ''all'' spoiler tags they once had.

tl;dr - I propose on cleaning the wiki of most (or even all) usage of {{spoiler|inline spoiler tag}} and strongly discouraging its use in new content (or even deleting it altogether). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 09:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
: As the one who used Spoiler tags on this page, I'm personally following a "Avoid spoiling major events of the previous two chapters" rule for Kazumi just in case no-one has seen it yet. Once Chapter 5 comes out I'd remove the Pleiades Saint spoilers, for example. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 10:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::Actually, it's possible to put a reference in the spoiler box. It only works with the anime episodes right now, but I'll edit it so that it accepts manga chapters too. Anyway, nothing refrains you of adding a spoiler box at the top of the section/page, which explains what is spoilered. See [[Template:Spoilers]] (subject to change in the following minutes/hours). --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:23, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

:Yeah, I started a discussion going in the same direction on [[Talk:Episode_12#Spoilers|the ep12 talkpage]], which is basically a black page at the moment. I agree with you in that spoilerish paragraphs should be tagged with a box, not with the inline tag. As its name states, the inline tag was at first meant for ... inline spoilers, i.e. words or parts of a sentence that could be spoilerish, and difficult to tag otherwise. Using them for a whole paragraph, or for headers, is just wrong usage. I wouldn't go as far as completely removing this tag, but we sure need clear guidelines regarding its usage. On the aesthetic part, I can try making it white if you find it less visually aggressive (the [[Episode 12]] page isn't really visually pleasant at the moment, I agree). Problem with the white spoiler tag is the opposite as the black one: you miss one more easily. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::Changed the spoiler tags to something TVtropes-like, i.e. white with gray bottom border. Tell me what you think about it. (I didn't find how to hide the links though, "a" and "a:visited" don't seem to work for some reason ...) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Links weren't hidden in the black version, either (though they were barely visible as dark blue on black). For the links, it works when you'll use <code>.inline-spoilers, .inline-spoilers a { color: white !important; } .inline-spoilers:hover { color: black !important; }</code>. However, then the tags won't get un-spoilered on hover, so you'll have to add something like <code>.inline-spoilers:hover a { color: #0645ad !important; }</code> and so on for other link classes (<code>a.stub</code>, <code>a.new</code> and also the visited and active versions, if you care), which is kind of ugly as per design robustness, but... works ;) As for the aesthetics of the white version, it looks great, at least for my tastes :) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 21:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

==Should We Add Kyubey?==
It seems like he is starting to appear more and more in the manga, specially during that critical moment. I suspect Kyubey is plotting something nasty. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 21:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
:I am adding Kyubey. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

==Witches Page==
Have we thought anything regarding the Witches pages? Should those pages be disambiguating or should it contain some spoilers just so is still informative?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
: We should make pages for the Kazumi Witches, but it should be split into two sections, for pseudo-witches and regular Witches. -- [[User: SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 17:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

==Kazumi Vol.1 Changes and Additions!==
Tvtroper Ace Of Scarabs [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=599#14953 has uploaded a few changed and added pages from Kazumi vol.1]. Thanks Ace Of Scarabs! --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

==Kazumi Vol.2==
Might as well ask: Anyone hear anything about this? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:24, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:[http://blog.min.chu.jp/?eid=1243531#sequel Source 1], [http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51296797.html Source 2], [http://i.imgur.com/cup43.jpg Pic 1], [http://i.imgur.com/KMEvF.jpg Pic 2], [http://i.imgur.com/hoCQX.jpg Pic 3] --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:: You are awesome, thank you. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:30, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
::: Pic 1 give me lols. Also has anyone has the sketches in the update Volume 2? -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 02:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

==Vol 2 Short Story?==
So, looking at Hiramatsu's blog, google translate is telling me there was a special edition that had an extra short story sold with volume 2. Anyones have details? [http://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/20/0011/07/97/200011079784.html Source 1] and [http://hirama1002.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-214.html source 2]. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 06:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:"Puella Magi Kazumi Magica Special Edition ~ A Dream-Filled Spoon". A 2-page short story on the reverse side of [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Kazumi_bonus.jpg this] extra art, included with volume 2 when purchased from Toranoana. The story is about Yuuri and Airi's life two years prior to Yuuri's contract. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 00:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, that sounds really interesting (and sad, too). Thank you! I hope somebody has either a summary or a scan of it somewhere online. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 00:39, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

:::I found a short summary of it. It's from a [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/869 series] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/870 of] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/871 2ch] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/872 posts], so they (and my translation of them) might not be entirely reliable or accurate.

:::*The first part of the story is how Yuuri and Airi met. Yuuri cooked a big meal for her whole class, but one of the students complained of food poisoning afterward. Yuuri started staying home from school in shock, until Airi visited her and helped prove that the student was trying to frame Yuuri.

:::*The second part is two years later, after Airi fell ill. Yuuri is attacked by a witch and saved by [[Kazumi|a magical girl with a black hat and cape]]. She asks the girl to cure Airi, but she advises Yuuri to make a contract herself. And then she does, of course.

:::*Also, Yuuri's titular spoon is a souvenir from her appearance on a cooking show hosted by [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c005/17.html Slice Akiyama]. I think.

:::*...also, according to [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1321589325/397 this post], the Incubator accompanying the black magical girl is Kyuubey. You'd think it would be Juubey, but for some reason it's not?

:::[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 01:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
:::: Oh, wow, that is really really interesting. Thank you very much for the summary translations! I'll start adding this information to the relevant pages. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 01:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Chapter 11 of Kazumi implies that the Juubey we see in flashbacks is actually Kyuubey. That's probably why Kyubey is there. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

==Post-Chapter 13 revisions==
So, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=864#21591 spoilers are out], and it looks like Kazumi's page in going to have to be revamped quite a bit with this new information, as well as adding a lot to Saki and Satomi's character pages, as well as updating and changing things on the Pleiades Saints page (and the other Pleiades members' pages, though less so). We're going to be busy when the full translation comes out.

Also, congrats to those fans who guessed that major reveal back in the early stages of the series. It's like predicting Homura being a time traveler by episode one all over again. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 08:29, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

So they revealed she is the 13th clone in the 13th chapter, I dont think that was coincidental. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:/a/non scans even wrote in their script that "Kazumi" can be read as 13, though I personally don't see how. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 11:03, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
::When I try to input 'kazumi' with Japanese IM, I found one of the candidates is '一三'(13). That might be why there is such a suspect. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 11:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Aaah, I get it now, so "kazu" is a popular nanori for 一. It's rather "one-three" than "thirteen", but still, very clever. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 14:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

==Chapter 15 title==
According to [http://hirama1002.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-237.html Hiramatsu's blog], the tentative title of Chapter 15 is "ポチョムサン" (pochomusan). Does anybody know what that could mean? The only thing I found from a Google search is that it's one character away from "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin Potemkin]". --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 00:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

== Implied end coming soon? ==

I have the idea that this series is coming to an end soon. It is parallelling lots of things from the end of Madoka Magica. For example, Kazumi now knows the truth and has the maturity to understand it, Her friends are trying to protect her at the cost of making things worst for Kazumi (especially Saki, who reminds me somehow of Homura. Even [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Production_note_Homura_design.jpg one of Homura´s pre design clothes resembles Saki´s Puella Magi outfit]), Kazumi has an emotional goodbye with the adult she was attached to and now she is going to face the problem, much in the same fashion Madoka did. What do you think? [[User:Sayaka-Miki|Sayaka-Miki]] 19:02, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:As I was reading the summary, this is EXACTLY what came to my mind. I feel like the standoff between Kazumi and the Pleiades will be the big finisher. There will probably be several more revelations tied into the story, too. --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 22:04, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

==SPECULAH: Relation between Kazumi Magica and the Zodiac==

I noticed something major, besides the apparent proximity of Taurus and Gemini to the Pleiades cluster there is a major patter you get from putting every magical girl/witch in chronological order of contribution to the story.

===Mami Tomoe/Candeloro - Capricorn===
Positive Traits

:• Practical and prudent (Get's the job done)
:• Ambitious and disciplined (Kick ass senpai)
:• Patient and careful (We all know what happens when she loses it)
:• Humorous and reserved (She is so cute yet she can't connect)

Negative Traits

:• Pessimistic and fatalistic (Depressive much?)
:• Miserly and grudging (No seriously?)

Capricorn Likes: hot, simple food, antiques, history, duties and responsibilities (Magica girl and mentor to the point of insanity), not being pressured by others, having plenty of unconditional love (Invitation with no exit), lots of personal privacy (Awesome appartment), new books, and expensive gemstones (Flashy as an angel Mami-san).

Capricorn Dislikes: untidiness and disorder of all kinds, being teased (Damn, Tiro Finale it's not funny Kyoko!), surprises (Sup Charlotte?), new ideas (Magical girl are witches my ass!), loneliness (OH YEAH!), being made to feel useless or incompetent (Relying to much on Kaname-san makes me witch out), and being embarrassed in public.

===Kyoko Sakura/Ophelia - Aquarius===
Positive Traits

:• Friendly and humanitarian (True self)
:• Honest and loyal (Same as above)
:• Original and inventive (Cool and funny)
:• Independent and intellectual (Independent is an understatement)

Negative Traits

:• Intractable and contrary (Sour armor to boot)
:• Perverse and unpredictable (Kyoko is plain crazy)
:• Unemotional and detached (Abandonment)

Aquarius Likes: fame and recognition (I am awesome biatch!), personal privacy (Nothing I do is of your business), rainbows, dreams, magic, change for its own sake, eccentricity, surprises, and living within their means despite the many temptations which constantly surround them every waking moment (Oh, come on! Those last are her true self with a nail in the head).

Aquarius Dislikes: emotion and intimacy (Everyone I love dies), people who show off (Especially Sayaka), being taken for granted (Fought Sayaka and Homura), being pinned down, violence and fighting (Inverted for sour armor but straight for true self), and senseless or purposeless extravagance of any sort (SAYAKA!!!). (Also, let's not forget she drowned in death)

===Hungrige Pumpe - Pisces===
Positive Traits

:• Imaginative and sensitive
:• Compassionate and kind
:• Selfless and unworldly (Is there a self on a colony of jellyfish?)
:• Intuitive and sympathetic

Negative Traits

:• Escapist and idealistic (Breaks into familiars and regenerates like a balloon)
:• Secretive and vague (Ancient sea)
:• Weak-willed and easily led (I am a bunch of people)

Pisces Likes: foods of all kinds, romantic places, sunsets over the sea, waterfalls, ponds, poetry, people, mystical settings, candles, incense, freedom to drift along from moment to moment, and their own uninterrupted personal privacy (Her freaking entire barrier was basically that).

Pisces Dislikes: bright, noisy, crowded, popular places and dirty, ugly, garish objects, and the wrong people (Meddling Pleiades and the Incubator blasted everything).

===Yuuri Asuka/Arzt Kochen - Aries===
Positive Traits

:• Adventurous and energetic (I will save you Airi)
:• Pioneering and courageous (Hit the contract button)
:• Enthusiastic and confident (Tried to save sick people with magic until death)
:• Dynamic and quick-witted (Cooking genius)

Negative Traits

:• Selfish and Quick-tempered (Come at me Kyoko!)
:• Foolhardy and daredevil (Blew her Soul Gem due to overuse)
:• Impulsive and impatient (^^Bring it on red-haired bitch!)

Aries Likes: action, challenge, spontaneity, championing causes (Save people to death) and coming in first.

Aries Dislikes: waiting, tyranny, failure (Nobody can survive her surgery), lack of opposition and the advice of others .

===Airi Anri/Nie Blühen Herzen - Taurus===
Positive Traits

:• Patient and reliable
:• Warmhearted and loving
:• Persistent and determined (Never gonna give you up Asuka)
:• Placid and security loving (Gay for Asuka to the core)

Negative Traits

:• Jealous and possessive (Psycho lesbian much?)
:• Resentful and inflexible (No shit Sherlock)
:• Self-indulgent and greedy (Loved sweets, Asuka and would plow down everything to get her pleasure)

Taurus Likes: permanency, stability, luxury, comfort, pleasure and good food (A lot!).

Taurus Dislikes: disruption, being rushed, being indoors, being pushed too hard and any break in routine.

===Ayase/Ruka Souju - Gemini===
Positive Traits

:• Adaptable and versatile (Ice/Fire magic)
:• Communicative and witty (Talks like crazy)
:• Intellectual and eloquent
:• Youthful and lively (Soul Gem addict)

Negative Traits

:• Nervous and tense
:• Superficial and inconsistent (Ax crazy with bipolar disorder/two people on the same body)
:• Cunning and inquisitive (Wants to steal more Soul Gems)

Gemini Likes: talking, novelty, variety, anything unusual and working on multiple projects (fought two enemies at once) at the same time.

Gemini Dislikes: being alone, being in a rut, mental inaction, conventional learning and feeling tied down.

===Nico Kanna/Weiße Königin - Cancer===
Positive Traits

:• Emotional and loving
:• Intuitive and imaginative (She made magitek gadjets)
:• Shrewd and cautious (Never told her wish)
:• Protective and sympathetic (Fought and protected Kazumi)

Negative Traits

:• Changeable and moody
:• Overemotional and touchy
:• Clinging and unable to let go (Guilty as a curse)

Cancer Likes: hobbies, romance, children, parties, home and country (Shoot people in USA).

Cancer Dislikes: failure, opposition (Can't stand being judged and destroy's everyone on sight), aggravating situations, being told what to do and being given advice...whether good or bad.

===Satomi Usagi/????? - Leo===
Positive Traits
:• Generous and warmhearted (Wants to take care of all poor animals)
:• Creative and enthusiastic (Miss sunshine)
:• Broad-minded and expansive
:• Faithful and loving (Sickening sweet when on a good mood)

Negative Traits
:• Pompous and patronizing (Glomps things on a marshmallow hell)
:• Bossy and interfering (Mind control magic and off rails much?)
:• Dogmatic and intolerant (Kazumi is a dirty witch who must die!)

Leo Likes: speculative ventures, lavish living, rich food, children, drama, pageantry and grandeur.

Leo Dislikes:doing anything safely, day-to-day living, small-minded people, penny-pinching and mean spiritedness.

===Mirai Wakaba - Virgo===
Positive Traits

:• Modest and shy (Before entering the Pleiades)
:• Meticulous and reliable (Made hundreds of handcrafted teddy bears)
:• Practical and diligent
:• Intelligent and analytical

Negative Traits

:• Fussy and a worrier (It's all over her corner of the platonic love triangle)
:• Overcritical and harsh (YOU HURT MY SAKI!!!)
:• Perfectionist and conservative

Virgo Likes: lists, hygiene, order, detail, precision, wholesomeness, health foods and perfection (even in minutiae).

Virgo Dislikes: squalor, uncertainty, health hazards, sloppy workers and anything deemed to be sordid (Thinks of Kazumi as a witch in human clothing). (Also, she got chomped before turning into a witch and died pure)

===Saki Asami/????? - Libra===
Positive Traits

:• Diplomatic and urbane (Leadership traits)
:• Romantic and charming (Marriage proposals and lilys of the valley much?)
:• Easygoing and sociable (Leadership traits)
:• Idealistic and peaceable (Leadership traits)

Negative Traits

:• Indecisive and changeable (Can't kill the clones of my beloved)
:• Gullible and easily influenced (Got mind controlled)
:• Flirtatious and self-indulgent (I love my Michiru, Kazumi's suffering nonwithstanding)

Libra Likes: gentleness, sharing, conviviality and the "finer" things of life.

Libra Dislikes: injustice, violence, brutishness, disharmony (Team leader hugs!), quarrels (Get away from Kazumi) and bad manners.

===Kanna Hijiri - Scorpio===
Positive Traits

:• Determined and forceful (And how!)
:• Emotional and intuitive (I am not real? F*CK REAL PEOPLE!)
:• Powerful and passionate (Lot's of haxor abilities)
:• Exciting and magnetic (Prone to epicness)

Negative Traits

:• Jealous and resentful (I am not a real person and will kill humanity to be one!)
:• Compulsive and obsessive (That is also an understatement)
:• Secretive and obstinate (Trolled everyone behind the shadows)

Scorpio Likes: strenuous activity, the unraveling of mysteries, winning at any cost (Destruction of humanity much?), being acknowledged the undisputed champion of anything (Will be real when all else dies), and the comfort of their own homes (Her good life was a lie).

Scorpio Dislikes:being analyzed, being asked personal questions, new acquaintance, and having to trust a stranger with anything that they consider important enough to keep secure.

===Conclusion===
This leaves us with two signs left, Ophiuchus and Sagittarius.

I think that those will be respectively Kazumi and Madoka meaning that this series will be revealed as a prequel of sorts.

Talk:Puella Magi Kazumi Magica: The innocent malice

2012-06-25T16:23:48Z

Derp101(2): /* Mirai Wakaba - Virgo */

== Names ==

Is it "Niko" or "Nico"? The scanlations use the latter. -[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Wait. Independent chapters? ==

I'm seeing Chapters One through Three of Kazumi on Mangafox. Yet the first volume is only coming out in May 12th?
I am kinda nob when it comes to manga... so, does "serialization" means that these chapters are coming out in Kirara Forward each month, before they're packed together and released as a volume? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

: Yes. Most manga series are published chapter-by-chapter each week or month in a magazine, with volumes being released whenever a set number of chapters is reached. [[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.100|64.89.144.100]] 20:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

::In that case, should we add each chapter's release date? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

:::I believe a release date along with a summary of the chapters would be in order, with proper spoiler tags of course.

== Runes? ==
I think there is some runic text in Kazumi chapter 1. Anyone have a translation? - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:Do you have a scan or something? Might as well try and translate them, I'm pretty bored anyway. Also, we should probably make a page for them then, [[Runes:Kazumi Magica]] or something. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 14:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:: [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c001/4.html I see them here, but suddenly I'm not sure if they were added there by the scanlators or not.] There ''might'' be some [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c003/5.html here] as well, I'm not sure. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 15:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the first one is obviously added by the scanlator. It reads "scanlated by /a/non for /a/non, raws from [something I couldn't read due to quality]". --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::The mysterious characters on the second one don't look like any recognized runes to me. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::In case you're talking about　"入口は？？", that's japanese. I can't make it quite out, but it should say something like "Entrance this way". --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 16:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::::Oh my. I know enough Japanese to know what 入口 is, but it's such an obfuscated font I'd never tell it's kanji. Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::The last scanlator runeword matches the raw provider name in the watermark in the next page, and it's mixing archaic and modern.
::::: Thank you all very much, sorry for the inconvenience. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Juubey? ==

Where'd you get this from? O.o [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:[[File:Juubey.jpg|200px]]
:It seems that scans leaked on 2ch. [[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 13:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:: Now notice the shadow next to Juubey in the first panel. Juubey may not be an Incubator after all... -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Jubey's definitely an Incubator. The girl on the second page (I forget her name) calls him/her/it "the fairy that made us into puella magi". It seems that Kyubey is present on the first page, though...--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Exactly. Kyubey is a hive mind. Why would he need to talk to himself like that? I think the fact that it's a "fairy" is going to be a major point. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 16:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Even if there's a hive mind, that doesn't mean they can simply telepathically talk or instantly know what another Incubator is up to. Like the Human Interfaces in Haruhi.--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Volume 1 ==
Dumb question: I would imagine that since it's being released the same time as ''Oriko'' it might get lost in the shuffle, but is there anyone who's planning to look through it and see if there are any differences/additions to the original serialized chapters? -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:If someone will upload the scans (raws are fine) of the tankobon somewhere (preferably as some DDL, but torrent is OK, too), then I can do that. But seeing how Kazumi is rather unpopular, I'm not so sure of the scan availability. I don't plan on buying Kazumi myself. Not in the slightest. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 20:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:: Yeah, that's what concerns me. I'd do it myself, if I could get the scans, but...--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::It is? Uh... it's got half a million views in MangaFox, but then again, I guess that doesn't translate in the "Madoka is sold out EVERYWHERE" thing we had with the original manga. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::: It's more that I'm worried Kazumi will be ignored when Oriko comes out. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:::: Well obviously. Slapping the main characters on it = automatic profit. And Kazumi was just getting intresting :/ (well, to most people. I've liked it since the start. Though it might just be because I love Kazumi and real tech mixed with magic (the GPS, Yuuri's SMGs are ''almost'' [[wikipedia:Walther MPL|Walther MPL]]'s, etc.)) --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

:So, now that it's actually out, has there been any mention of changes/additions? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::At least the Soul Gems were redrawn. The Grief Seed probably too, but there's no scan of that page. --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 03:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::[[File:kazumicomparison.jpg|200px]]

== Expansion ==

This is a question that also applies to Oriko. Right now, we have a single page to cover everything in each manga release. Granted, they're nearly not the same scale as Madoka, and one of them is just a medium conversion with few changes. But still, there's more to it than just this.
The most obvious example being a page for Kazumi herself, Umika and Kaoru, and another for the Pleiades Saints. And maybe then think about other stuff. I volunteer to work on it, but I won't be able to until the weekend, university and fencing are keeping me locked up. But that's not really my main question. That would be: should it be done? Okay, this is "Puella Magi wiki", not "Madoka wiki". But given the obviously huge focus on Madoka, and the apparent lack of interest in the spin-offs (so far), is it justifiable? I certainly think so, but I want to hear from you. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I myself am not interested in the spinoffs, but definitely think that ''Kazumi'' at least should get its own set of character pages and the like. My only problem is with ''Oriko'': the current translation of the second volume's synopsis calls it the "concluding" volume, meaning that the series most likely isn't going to have enough content to justify taking up more than one page -- especially considering that any new insight into the anime characters can just be entered onto ''their'' preexisting pages. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 03:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::I support Kazumi pages. Oriko at the very least should get her own page. It's approximately 8 chapters, which is relatively significant. [[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 05:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think it's best to separate manga characterizations from the anime ones. Oriko is described as a spin-off, so events and characterizations may not be considered canon to the anime. We know even the direct adaptation manga has significant differences from the anime. For example, the manga shows Sayaka killing the men on the train whereas Shinbo in the anime chose not to go that route. Either interpretation was acceptable to Urobuchi who left the scenario open to both so neither are technically wrong but it would be confusing and a bit misleading to not clearly state what was in the anime and what was in the manga. This would also apply to the background information on Madoka's characters from Oriko. I'm all for having it included but the source should be clearly stated and preferably categorized so it avoids any confusion. As for Kazumi, as long as the pages stay under the manga section, it sounds fine, just don't want it under the characters page where people might get confused with them and the Madoka anime characters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 05:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

SUGGESTION: Since the character pages all need to be cleaned up a little big in general (speculah about characters should be moved to a new speculah page for characters, for example, and be tagged right/wrong/uncomfirmed), redundant discussions need to be trimmed, etc etc, just add a "in the manga" section to each character page that will, as necessary, detail their involvement in the mangas. Furthermore, I believe that each major manga character (so Kazumi and Oriko, at least) should get their own page on the characters page. Just add a section for manga-only characters.
:The character pages do need clean-up however I don't think Kazumi or any other manga-only characters (like in Oriko) should be included with the Madoka ones. The website is dedicated to Puella Magi (or Mahou Shoujo) Madoka Magica. That means the character pages should really only be dedicated to those characters in the anime. The manga only characters belong in the manga section as something in addition that might interest people, but isn't the main focus or draw to this site. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 07:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::I agree with the sentiment, but why have a wiki for the anime and a wiki for the manga when we could have a single unified wiki that properly identifies what comes from the manga and what comes from the anime? This just seems like it'll split the fanbase between working on a manga wiki and working on an anime wiki... and guess which one will get more attention and which one will be incomplete and barely worked on if that happens? I'm not seeing the harm in adding manga material, as long as it is clearly identified and marked which is what. Not only that, but knowing that the mangas are being produced by the same company, they may reveal things that will fill in the blanks for the anime. If a decision can't be reached by single individuals, though... why not hold a poll?

::Actually, the wiki is called "puella-magi.net" (as opposed to the previous one who was madoka-centered), and the homepage states "(...) as well as any subsequent works.", so like the guy above me (who didn't sign his comment by the way), I think manga characters do have their place here. Why not just add a new row "Manga characters" in the [[Characters]]'s table? (just like Madoka's family and classmates) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Let me see if I can explain my thinking in clearer, more straight-forward fashion. The most logical way I see to fix the issues discussed is for: the manga to have its own subsection (equivalent to setting, products, media etc.) and in that section, each manga would have a separate listing under it. Then, you can break out the manga into a chapters and character page. This is a simple way to solve the issues of growth and also clearly separates what happens in the anime from what happens in the manga. You can also then provide a link from the anime characters pointing to the manga character page(s) to give additional information/discrepancies between what occurred in the anime and manga, but having separate pages makes it easy to see what characteristic was derived from which source.
:::On the other hand, if you'd did it the other way people are suggesting, adding manga-only characters to the character section, it could easily become confusing to someone who is not familiar with both the anime and manga. It's also inconsistent with the format of the section under settings where location, glossary and (of course) episodes are all anime-specific. Then you may open up the can of worms where people start adding manga-only items to location, glossary, etc. If you say well why does any of this matter? It's because there are always discrepancies between "canon anime," "canon manga," and "spin-off manga," that are viewed as different level of authority by fans and it's important to them to know the distinction. Anytime those lines start getting blurred, you'll get a host of questions and arguments that could have been avoided by knowing that X came from this source and Y came from this other source, and OK the first source is canon and the second one isn't. Speaking from the painful experience of seeing this happen many times before with other franchises--well, it's always good to keep source material as clear as possible.
:::One final comment: It only takes one or two dedicated fans to update the wiki on a manga volume and it seems Kazumi has those fans. I don't see why people are concerned it'll get neglected. Even if Kazumi updates are delayed because of Oriko's premiere, that would only be reflecting the fanbase interests and the wiki doing what it's suppose to: providing the info that's most interesting and timely to the fanbase. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 15:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay, I get your point better now, and it makes sense indeed. We just have to be careful to link the pages properly to give the "Manga" part of the wiki the attention it desserves, and to carefully state what should go where. The easiest way to do so would probably be to use a new namespace, "Manga:", for all those pages, right? Also, another advantage I see in your way of separating things is that character pages (as well as others) won't grow any bigger that way. If we merge both the anime and manga info into one page, then it'd grow into a wall of text even bigger than it is now. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::In all seriousness, have you ever seen any wiki related to some fictional work to have many pages about the same character for different media he/she appears in? The only example I am aware of is Asuka from Evangelion on the [http://wiki.evageeks.org EvaGeeks wiki]. Since her name and biography is quite different in the Rebuild movies, they chose to just mention her Rebuild version briefly in the main article ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Langley_Soryu Asuka Langley Soryu]) and make a separate article for the Rebuild character ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Shikinami_Langley Asuka Shikinami Langley]).
:::::But look at [http://wiki.evageeks.org/Shinji_Ikari the page about Shinji]. There are several paragraphs about him in the original series and The End of Eva (treated jointly), and then subsections "in the manga", "in other Eva-base manga", "in Rebuild of Eva". They have no speculah section, but a trivia section titled "Notes", so it kind of evens out ;)
:::::Anyway, the Madoka manga does not really differ ''that'' much from the anime. Even though I kind of outdid myself [[Manga differences|spotting almost every single difference]], most of them are fairly insignificant in terms of character development. Knowing the exact wording of Mami's wish or not? Sayaka killing the men on the train or not? Charlotte looking different in her caterpillar form? Kyubey having facial expression or not? Do they really justify making separate pages for anime and manga versions of every single character? I don't think so.
:::::The only appearance of Madoka character in Kazumi is Kyubey's cameo and Madoka's silhouette as an illustration of a Puella Magi, which are totally insignificant for anything other than noting it. I don't think we'll ever see other anime characters in Kazumi, since it takes place in a different city. And Kazumi isn't in conflict with anime canon in terms of "the laws of the universe".
:::::Oriko will be a different beast, because many of Madoka's main characters are also Oriko's main characters. But even if it will be in direct conflict with the anime canon, I vote for just having an "In other media" section, and then subsections "In ''Madoka'' manga", "In ''Oriko'' manga" etc. We don't have two separate Madokas (or Mamis, Homuras, Kyoukos, Kyubeys), it's the same character. And having many timelines doesn't change it (can you seriously imagine having separate page for eg. Keiichi from Higurashi for every arc?). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::So in the end it all comes down to how much difference there is between sources. If existing characters start changing a lot in one of the series, then they may need a separate page, but not if it's just minor changes/no changes at all, where a single section would be enough ... (note that there isn't much difference between both solution if the pages are linked proprely) Anyway, I have to admit I don't follow any of the manga series, so I'll leave the debate to you guys. Just one last suggestion: why don't we do as usual, i.e. solving problems when they're here? We could just add stuff to the existing pages for now, and start thinking of another organization if it gets too messy in the future right? None of the pages look like they'd need a refactoring in the near future to me, and we still barely know anything about Kazumi/Oriko Magica so it's a bit hard to anticipate at this rate ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, sorry, I saw this discussion as a future direction, e.g. after Oriko and Kazumi's new volumes are out. Right now even the manga pages aren't even half as long as say, Homura's character page. So they're fine as one-pagers at the moment.
::::::Hm, I think you're misunderstanding in thinking there'd be a "Manga Homura" page versus "Anime Homura" page. What I'm proposing is a "Manga Character page" for each manga so for instance, Kazumi would have a page listing all its characters. Madoka and Oriko's manga would provide for anime characters: a blurb description, a link to the anime-specific characters page, then list things unique to that manga. Then for Oriko it would list all the manga-specific characters like the three new girls, witches, etc. This to me is far clearer and easier for users than adding all the manga-only characters in Oriko and Kazumi to the already long list of characters, and then add more sections to the already lengthy anime character pages. I hear you about the wikis with the Eva examples and that makes sense when you normally have brief, general summaries that you can put together where there's consensus, and easily see where there's major differences from different sources. I personally prefer that format for character pages and I'd be for it if things were rolled up in summary format. But I see Madoka's wiki is different with very detailed levels of information for well, everything (like the summary paragraphs of all the manga vs. anime differences...that's not something you normally see on a wiki), and people seemed inclined in only adding and not trimming things back. When things are that detailed, it makes sense to separate out pages to reduce length and confusion. Madoka's manga doesn't have much but if people show as much interest in detailing things for Oriko, those character pages can really get out-of-hand. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::OK, I think I see your point now, and it seems we don't really differ much, if at all ;) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::::<s>Full-blown discussion engaged. Just as keikaku.</s> Don't mind me addressing initial ponderings, I was away all day. First, of course a proper separation is needed. I never in any way doubted that. The issue was "how", not "if", and you handled better than I would have. So, two main lines of thought, so far: a strong separation between anime and manga stuff, or a higher level of interaction, while asserting their differences. I must go with the last one. Character pages for ''at least'' the major manga characters (well... it's not like Madoka follows that rule), "In other media" sections for anime ones, and a "manga characters" section at the Characters page. But I do absolutely agree that the differences in canon must be properly stated. Maybe some sort of header on both saying: (NOTE: It is unclear how canonical the events of the manga editions are towards the anime. Use caution.) Or something of the kind (shorter, of course). As for things getting out of hand... that's what were here for, no? Although I do not believe things will go down that road. If they didn't with the anime (or rather: they did, but we rode through the storm), I find it hard to believe it will happen with Oriko, no matter the popularity. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 23:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Here's a suggestion. Stop me if I'm wrong. Character pages, IMO, should be divided like this:
*Brief Summary, First Appearance
*Personality (Brief Overview)
*History (backstory+role in the anime; this section would clearly point out that a character is NOT from the anime in the case of manga characters)
*In the Manga (information may not be canon; use section to give an overview of what they do in each manga series, if applicable; for example, this would be a good place to note things like 'in the manga, <so and so forth>'s weapon is slightly different' or 'in the manga, <so and so forth> actually kills <unimportant characters on a train>')
*Powers, Weapons & Abilities
*Trivia
*Gallery
*Link to Speculah Page

As it is right now, I won't lie, character pages look like shit. They're full of weird speculah, people have a tendency to use the various fields as mini-forums for discussion (instead of the talk pages), the official info sections are basically heaps of stuff, and the pages are NOT easy to read. Compare this to any other established wiki with dedicated character pages and... yeah, this is definitely a weird way to do it. More to the point: people need to stop using the character pages as discussion forums. They need to use the talk pages for that. If I'm wrong, then I guess it's no use hanging around and offering contributions now and again; I must have some odd, incompatible way of thinking for the people on this wiki.

:Well I agree to the rest we should make a character page. However we don't had much official images of the characters from Kazumi. Like separating the character tablet of Madoka and Kazumi. -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 07:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

::I agree that the character pages need a cleanup, and actually, [[Wishlist|it's in the wishlist]]. I also agree that the speculah section should be a little more formal, and not "I think this ... I disagree with him ...". I don't see a problem with people adding sub-points to a point of speculah, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tsundere/Anime tvtropes-like], but we should just be careful not to turn it into a talkpage (i.e. we should avoid personal opinion and prefer neutral speech for instance). As for the speculah section, if they're written correctly (and maybe cleaned up, like Homura's page), I don't see a reason to move them to another page. Since you're talking about other established wiki, just look at [http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo the Touhou wiki] for instance: there is also a part of speculah on the characters pages, even though it's far smaller than here (I don't think that delirium about Yukari's name is canon, but I may be mistaken). So yeah in conclusion I agree with you, except that I'd leave the speculah on the page if I were you. Also, I'm nitpicking here but I'm not sure "weapons and abilities" need a section on its own. What is there to write, except "Madoka uses a bow and has the ability to throw random stuff when things go downhill"? There's also [[Weapons|a page]] detailing what the weapons are, and so on. tl;dr I agree with your way of doing things, with some minor changes. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 08:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:::'Powers, abilities, etc' could link to the magic/magic speculah/weapon pages for more indepth outlooks. But for example, such a section on Homura's page would list out her shield, how it works (hourglass/one month), the timestopping, etc. The alternative would be to start including manga characters' stuff on those pages, which... risks making them swell and swell.
:Thinking about this again, I'm starting to think we may want to make character pages for ''all'' of the characters, not just the major ones. Whether or not they are "significant", they are still part of the franchise, and the wiki should keep organization even if it means making an article for a character nobody cares about. At least, even a supporting character in, say, ''Kazumi'' would be more important than, say, the Hospital Staff in ''Madoka''. [[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]] 06:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
::I agree. I wasn't sure what the reaction would be, so I just put everything about them in the [[Pleiades Saints]] page. There is just one problem: with the small amount of info we have so far, it'll be impossible to use the new character page setup. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:42, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:::It might be a good idea to just keep them to the [[Pleiades Saints]] page until we get more information, and then give them personal character pages. [[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 19:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to verify if I'm understanding the new proposed structure correctly, regarding the structure of the character breakdown.

Setting - All Anime specific
*Characters - 1) Character Summary Table[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Characters] -> 1.5) Individual Characters pages, now added manga sections ex: [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Homura_Akemi]
*Locations
*Glossary
*Episodes

Manga - Manga specific
*Madoka - 1) Chapters subpage
*Kazumi - 1) Chapters subpage, 2) Manga-specific Characters Summary table -> 2.5) Individual Characters pages
*Oriko - 1) Chapters subpage, 2) Manga-specific Characters Summary table -> 2.5) Individual Characters pages

Is this correct? --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:34, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:A lot of wikis (like the Haruhi Wiki, which I'm currently managing) have two character formats, one for major characters with a format with lots of detailed information, and one for characters we don't know much about and thus have a much more condensed format. Compare [http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Kyon this] (major character) and [http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Sasaki this] (minor character). Obviously this wiki would have a more organized format, but you get what I mean. [[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]] 19:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

:Hmmm We should also update this page http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Characters you know? As I said earlier, we should make another branch of it. Well I hadn't trying it so... -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 09:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

== Spoiler tags ==

I'm posting this in the Kazumi Magica talkpage, but it is not limited to Kazumi, but rather to the whole wiki. Kazumi Magica page can act as an example, and also helps me bring attention, since much of the wiki work now revolves around it ;)

Anyway - I feel the {{spoiler|inline spoiler tag}} is quite overused. I am using ir myself, following the common practice, but I somehow feel this is wrong. I even have a feeling that the inline spoiler tag is not well suited for the structure and character of this wiki. It works quite well on TVtropes, which has a more constant structure of pages, but... have you ever seen something like that on any other wiki? (what's more, our inline spoiler tag being black makes it less visually neat than TVtropes' white tag)

The idea is noble, but it leads to some weird situations. Here on Kazumi Magica page, having "Pleiades Saints" header spoilered, or even entire Chapter 4 summary doesn't look like it is what we've wanted...

I was talking about other established wikis above. The [http://wiki.evageeks.org/ EvaGeeks wiki] has only a spoiler warning box, and even more - uses it just for "recent media" (eg. the Rebuild movies). [http://starwars.wikia.com/ Wookiepedia] doesn't seem to have a spoiler tag ''at all'' (likely due to a line of thought that a wiki of some fictional work is primarily for people familiar with said work - it actually makes sense to me). [http://soranowoto.wikia.com/ So Ra No Wo To wiki], which may have been some kind of inspiration for ours (SRNWT being the original ''speculah'' anime) also only has a spoiler box... and doesn't use it anywhere. Spoiler boxes are also only kind of spoiler tags found on [http://en.touhouwiki.net/ Touhou Wiki] mentioned above and. Wikipedia actually got rid of ''all'' spoiler tags they once had.

tl;dr - I propose on cleaning the wiki of most (or even all) usage of {{spoiler|inline spoiler tag}} and strongly discouraging its use in new content (or even deleting it altogether). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 09:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
: As the one who used Spoiler tags on this page, I'm personally following a "Avoid spoiling major events of the previous two chapters" rule for Kazumi just in case no-one has seen it yet. Once Chapter 5 comes out I'd remove the Pleiades Saint spoilers, for example. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 10:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::Actually, it's possible to put a reference in the spoiler box. It only works with the anime episodes right now, but I'll edit it so that it accepts manga chapters too. Anyway, nothing refrains you of adding a spoiler box at the top of the section/page, which explains what is spoilered. See [[Template:Spoilers]] (subject to change in the following minutes/hours). --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:23, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

:Yeah, I started a discussion going in the same direction on [[Talk:Episode_12#Spoilers|the ep12 talkpage]], which is basically a black page at the moment. I agree with you in that spoilerish paragraphs should be tagged with a box, not with the inline tag. As its name states, the inline tag was at first meant for ... inline spoilers, i.e. words or parts of a sentence that could be spoilerish, and difficult to tag otherwise. Using them for a whole paragraph, or for headers, is just wrong usage. I wouldn't go as far as completely removing this tag, but we sure need clear guidelines regarding its usage. On the aesthetic part, I can try making it white if you find it less visually aggressive (the [[Episode 12]] page isn't really visually pleasant at the moment, I agree). Problem with the white spoiler tag is the opposite as the black one: you miss one more easily. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::Changed the spoiler tags to something TVtropes-like, i.e. white with gray bottom border. Tell me what you think about it. (I didn't find how to hide the links though, "a" and "a:visited" don't seem to work for some reason ...) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Links weren't hidden in the black version, either (though they were barely visible as dark blue on black). For the links, it works when you'll use <code>.inline-spoilers, .inline-spoilers a { color: white !important; } .inline-spoilers:hover { color: black !important; }</code>. However, then the tags won't get un-spoilered on hover, so you'll have to add something like <code>.inline-spoilers:hover a { color: #0645ad !important; }</code> and so on for other link classes (<code>a.stub</code>, <code>a.new</code> and also the visited and active versions, if you care), which is kind of ugly as per design robustness, but... works ;) As for the aesthetics of the white version, it looks great, at least for my tastes :) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 21:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

==Should We Add Kyubey?==
It seems like he is starting to appear more and more in the manga, specially during that critical moment. I suspect Kyubey is plotting something nasty. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 21:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
:I am adding Kyubey. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

==Witches Page==
Have we thought anything regarding the Witches pages? Should those pages be disambiguating or should it contain some spoilers just so is still informative?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
: We should make pages for the Kazumi Witches, but it should be split into two sections, for pseudo-witches and regular Witches. -- [[User: SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 17:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

==Kazumi Vol.1 Changes and Additions!==
Tvtroper Ace Of Scarabs [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=599#14953 has uploaded a few changed and added pages from Kazumi vol.1]. Thanks Ace Of Scarabs! --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

==Kazumi Vol.2==
Might as well ask: Anyone hear anything about this? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:24, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:[http://blog.min.chu.jp/?eid=1243531#sequel Source 1], [http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51296797.html Source 2], [http://i.imgur.com/cup43.jpg Pic 1], [http://i.imgur.com/KMEvF.jpg Pic 2], [http://i.imgur.com/hoCQX.jpg Pic 3] --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:: You are awesome, thank you. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:30, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
::: Pic 1 give me lols. Also has anyone has the sketches in the update Volume 2? -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 02:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

==Vol 2 Short Story?==
So, looking at Hiramatsu's blog, google translate is telling me there was a special edition that had an extra short story sold with volume 2. Anyones have details? [http://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/20/0011/07/97/200011079784.html Source 1] and [http://hirama1002.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-214.html source 2]. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 06:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:"Puella Magi Kazumi Magica Special Edition ~ A Dream-Filled Spoon". A 2-page short story on the reverse side of [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Kazumi_bonus.jpg this] extra art, included with volume 2 when purchased from Toranoana. The story is about Yuuri and Airi's life two years prior to Yuuri's contract. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 00:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, that sounds really interesting (and sad, too). Thank you! I hope somebody has either a summary or a scan of it somewhere online. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 00:39, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

:::I found a short summary of it. It's from a [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/869 series] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/870 of] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/871 2ch] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/872 posts], so they (and my translation of them) might not be entirely reliable or accurate.

:::*The first part of the story is how Yuuri and Airi met. Yuuri cooked a big meal for her whole class, but one of the students complained of food poisoning afterward. Yuuri started staying home from school in shock, until Airi visited her and helped prove that the student was trying to frame Yuuri.

:::*The second part is two years later, after Airi fell ill. Yuuri is attacked by a witch and saved by [[Kazumi|a magical girl with a black hat and cape]]. She asks the girl to cure Airi, but she advises Yuuri to make a contract herself. And then she does, of course.

:::*Also, Yuuri's titular spoon is a souvenir from her appearance on a cooking show hosted by [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c005/17.html Slice Akiyama]. I think.

:::*...also, according to [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1321589325/397 this post], the Incubator accompanying the black magical girl is Kyuubey. You'd think it would be Juubey, but for some reason it's not?

:::[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 01:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
:::: Oh, wow, that is really really interesting. Thank you very much for the summary translations! I'll start adding this information to the relevant pages. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 01:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Chapter 11 of Kazumi implies that the Juubey we see in flashbacks is actually Kyuubey. That's probably why Kyubey is there. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

==Post-Chapter 13 revisions==
So, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=864#21591 spoilers are out], and it looks like Kazumi's page in going to have to be revamped quite a bit with this new information, as well as adding a lot to Saki and Satomi's character pages, as well as updating and changing things on the Pleiades Saints page (and the other Pleiades members' pages, though less so). We're going to be busy when the full translation comes out.

Also, congrats to those fans who guessed that major reveal back in the early stages of the series. It's like predicting Homura being a time traveler by episode one all over again. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 08:29, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

So they revealed she is the 13th clone in the 13th chapter, I dont think that was coincidental. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:/a/non scans even wrote in their script that "Kazumi" can be read as 13, though I personally don't see how. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 11:03, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
::When I try to input 'kazumi' with Japanese IM, I found one of the candidates is '一三'(13). That might be why there is such a suspect. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 11:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Aaah, I get it now, so "kazu" is a popular nanori for 一. It's rather "one-three" than "thirteen", but still, very clever. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 14:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

==Chapter 15 title==
According to [http://hirama1002.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-237.html Hiramatsu's blog], the tentative title of Chapter 15 is "ポチョムサン" (pochomusan). Does anybody know what that could mean? The only thing I found from a Google search is that it's one character away from "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin Potemkin]". --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 00:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

== Implied end coming soon? ==

I have the idea that this series is coming to an end soon. It is parallelling lots of things from the end of Madoka Magica. For example, Kazumi now knows the truth and has the maturity to understand it, Her friends are trying to protect her at the cost of making things worst for Kazumi (especially Saki, who reminds me somehow of Homura. Even [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Production_note_Homura_design.jpg one of Homura´s pre design clothes resembles Saki´s Puella Magi outfit]), Kazumi has an emotional goodbye with the adult she was attached to and now she is going to face the problem, much in the same fashion Madoka did. What do you think? [[User:Sayaka-Miki|Sayaka-Miki]] 19:02, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:As I was reading the summary, this is EXACTLY what came to my mind. I feel like the standoff between Kazumi and the Pleiades will be the big finisher. There will probably be several more revelations tied into the story, too. --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 22:04, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

==SPECULAH: Relation between Kazumi Magica and the Zodiac==

I noticed something major, besides the apparent proximity of Taurus and Gemini to the Pleiades cluster there is a major patter you get from putting every magical girl/witch in chronological order of contribution to the story.

===Mami Tomoe/Candeloro - Capricorn===
Positive Traits

:• Practical and prudent (Get's the job done)
:• Ambitious and disciplined (Kick ass senpai)
:• Patient and careful (We all know what happens when she loses it)
:• Humorous and reserved (She is so cute yet she can't connect)

Negative Traits

:• Pessimistic and fatalistic (Depressive much?)
:• Miserly and grudging (No seriously?)

Capricorn Likes: hot, simple food, antiques, history, duties and responsibilities (Magica girl and mentor to the point of insanity), not being pressured by others, having plenty of unconditional love (Invitation with no exit), lots of personal privacy (Awesome appartment), new books, and expensive gemstones (Flashy as an angel Mami-san).

Capricorn Dislikes: untidiness and disorder of all kinds, being teased (Damn, Tiro Finale it's not funny Kyoko!), surprises (Sup Charlotte?), new ideas (Magical girl are witches my ass!), loneliness (OH YEAH!), being made to feel useless or incompetent (Relying to much on Kaname-san makes me witch out), and being embarrassed in public.

===Kyoko Sakura/Ophelia - Aquarius===
Positive Traits

:• Friendly and humanitarian (True self)
:• Honest and loyal (Same as above)
:• Original and inventive (Cool and funny)
:• Independent and intellectual (Independent is an understatement)

Negative Traits

:• Intractable and contrary (Sour armor to boot)
:• Perverse and unpredictable (Kyoko is plain crazy)
:• Unemotional and detached (Abandonment)

Aquarius Likes: fame and recognition (I am awesome biatch!), personal privacy (Nothing I do is of your business), rainbows, dreams, magic, change for its own sake, eccentricity, surprises, and living within their means despite the many temptations which constantly surround them every waking moment (Oh, come on! Those last are her true self with a nail in the head).

Aquarius Dislikes: emotion and intimacy (Everyone I love dies), people who show off (Especially Sayaka), being taken for granted (Fought Sayaka and Homura), being pinned down, violence and fighting (Inverted for sour armor but straight for true self), and senseless or purposeless extravagance of any sort (SAYAKA!!!). (Also, let's not forget she drowned in death)

===Hungrige Pumpe - Pisces===
Positive Traits

:• Imaginative and sensitive
:• Compassionate and kind
:• Selfless and unworldly (Is there a self on a colony of jellyfish?)
:• Intuitive and sympathetic

Negative Traits

:• Escapist and idealistic (Breaks into familiars and regenerates like a balloon)
:• Secretive and vague (Ancient sea)
:• Weak-willed and easily led (I am a bunch of people)

Pisces Likes: foods of all kinds, romantic places, sunsets over the sea, waterfalls, ponds, poetry, people, mystical settings, candles, incense, freedom to drift along from moment to moment, and their own uninterrupted personal privacy (Her freaking entire barrier was basically that).

Pisces Dislikes: bright, noisy, crowded, popular places and dirty, ugly, garish objects, and the wrong people (Meddling Pleiades and the Incubator blasted everything).

===Yuuri Asuka/Arzt Kochen - Aries===
Positive Traits

:• Adventurous and energetic (I will save you Airi)
:• Pioneering and courageous (Hit the contract button)
:• Enthusiastic and confident (Tried to save sick people with magic until death)
:• Dynamic and quick-witted (Cooking genius)

Negative Traits

:• Selfish and Quick-tempered (Come at me Kyoko!)
:• Foolhardy and daredevil (Blew her Soul Gem due to overuse)
:• Impulsive and impatient (^^Bring it on red-haired bitch!)

Aries Likes: action, challenge, spontaneity, championing causes (Save people to death) and coming in first

Aries Dislikes: waiting, tyranny, failure (Nobody can survive her surgery), lack of opposition and the advice of others

===Airi Anri/Nie Blühen Herzen - Taurus===
Positive Traits

:• Patient and reliable
:• Warmhearted and loving
:• Persistent and determined (Never gonna give you up Asuka)
:• Placid and security loving (Gay for Asuka to the core)

Negative Traits

:• Jealous and possessive (Psycho lesbian much?)
:• Resentful and inflexible (No shit Sherlock)
:• Self-indulgent and greedy (Loved sweets, Asuka and would plow down everything to get her pleasure)

Taurus Likes: permanency, stability, luxury, comfort, pleasure and good food

Taurus Dislikes: disruption, being rushed, being indoors, being pushed too hard and any break in routine

===Ayase/Ruka Souju - Gemini===
Positive Traits

:• Adaptable and versatile (Ice/Fire magic)
:• Communicative and witty (Talks like crazy)
:• Intellectual and eloquent
:• Youthful and lively (Soul Gem addict)

Negative Traits

:• Nervous and tense
:• Superficial and inconsistent (Ax crazy with bipolar disorder/two people on the same body)
:• Cunning and inquisitive (Wants to steal more Soul Gems)

Gemini Likes: talking, novelty, variety, anything unusual and working on multiple projects (fought two enemies at once) at the same time.

Gemini Dislikes: being alone, being in a rut, mental inaction, conventional learning and feeling tied down.

===Nico Kanna/Weiße Königin - Cancer===
Positive Traits

:• Emotional and loving
:• Intuitive and imaginative (She made magitek gadjets)
:• Shrewd and cautious (Never told her wish)
:• Protective and sympathetic (Fought and protected Kazumi)

Negative Traits

:• Changeable and moody
:• Overemotional and touchy
:• Clinging and unable to let go (Guilty as a curse)

Cancer Likes: hobbies, romance, children, parties, home and country (Shoot people in USA).

Cancer Dislikes: failure, opposition (Can't stand being judged and destroy's everyone on sight), aggravating situations, being told what to do and being given advice...whether good or bad.

===Satomi Usagi/????? - Leo===
Positive Traits
:• Generous and warmhearted (Wants to take care of all poor animals)
:• Creative and enthusiastic (Miss sunshine)
:• Broad-minded and expansive
:• Faithful and loving (Sickening sweet when on a good mood)

Negative Traits
:• Pompous and patronizing (Glomps things on a marshmallow hell)
:• Bossy and interfering (Mind control magic and off rails much?)
:• Dogmatic and intolerant (Kazumi is a dirty witch who must die!)

Leo Likes: speculative ventures, lavish living, rich food, children, drama, pageantry and grandeur

Leo Dislikes:doing anything safely, day-to-day living, small-minded people, penny-pinching and mean spiritedness

===Mirai Wakaba - Virgo===
Positive Traits

:• Modest and shy (Before entering the Pleiades)
:• Meticulous and reliable (Made hundreds of handcrafted teddy bears)
:• Practical and diligent
:• Intelligent and analytical

Negative Traits

:• Fussy and a worrier (It's all over her corner of the platonic love triangle)
:• Overcritical and harsh (YOU HURT MY SAKI!!!)
:• Perfectionist and conservative

Virgo Likes: lists, hygiene, order, detail, precision, wholesomeness, health foods and perfection (even in minutiae)

Virgo Dislikes: squalor, uncertainty, health hazards, sloppy workers and anything deemed to be sordid (Thinks of Kazumi as a witch in human clothing). (Also, she got chomped before turning into a witch and died pure)

===Saki Asami/????? - Libra===
Positive Traits

:• Diplomatic and urbane (Leadership traits)
:• Romantic and charming (Marriage proposals and lilys of the valley much?)
:• Easygoing and sociable (Leadership traits)
:• Idealistic and peaceable (Leadership traits)

Negative Traits

:• Indecisive and changeable (Can't kill the clones of my beloved)
:• Gullible and easily influenced (Got mind controlled)
:• Flirtatious and self-indulgent (I love my Michiru, Kazumi's suffering nonwithstanding)

Libra Likes: gentleness, sharing, conviviality and the "finer" things of life

Libra Dislikes: injustice, violence, brutishness, disharmony (Team leader hugs!), quarrels (Get away from Kazumi) and bad manners

===Kanna Hijiri - Scorpio===
Positive Traits

:• Determined and forceful (And how!)
:• Emotional and intuitive (I am not real? F*CK REAL PEOPLE!)
:• Powerful and passionate (Lot's of haxor abilities)
:• Exciting and magnetic (Prone to epicness)

Negative Traits

:• Jealous and resentful (I am not a real person and will kill humanity to be one!)
:• Compulsive and obsessive (That is also an understatement)
:• Secretive and obstinate (Trolled everyone behind the shadows)

Scorpio Likes: strenuous activity, the unraveling of mysteries, winning at any cost (Destruction of humanity much?), being acknowledged the undisputed champion of anything (Will be real when all else dies), and the comfort of their own homes (Her good life was a lie).

Scorpio Dislikes:being analyzed, being asked personal questions, new acquaintance, and having to trust a stranger with anything that they consider important enough to keep secure.

===Conclusion===
This leaves us with two signs left, Ophiuchus and Sagittarius.

I think that those will be respectively Kazumi and Madoka meaning that this series will be revealed as a prequel of sorts.

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== Names ==

Is it "Niko" or "Nico"? The scanlations use the latter. -[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Wait. Independent chapters? ==

I'm seeing Chapters One through Three of Kazumi on Mangafox. Yet the first volume is only coming out in May 12th?
I am kinda nob when it comes to manga... so, does "serialization" means that these chapters are coming out in Kirara Forward each month, before they're packed together and released as a volume? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

: Yes. Most manga series are published chapter-by-chapter each week or month in a magazine, with volumes being released whenever a set number of chapters is reached. [[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.100|64.89.144.100]] 20:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

::In that case, should we add each chapter's release date? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

:::I believe a release date along with a summary of the chapters would be in order, with proper spoiler tags of course.

== Runes? ==
I think there is some runic text in Kazumi chapter 1. Anyone have a translation? - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:Do you have a scan or something? Might as well try and translate them, I'm pretty bored anyway. Also, we should probably make a page for them then, [[Runes:Kazumi Magica]] or something. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 14:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:: [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c001/4.html I see them here, but suddenly I'm not sure if they were added there by the scanlators or not.] There ''might'' be some [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c003/5.html here] as well, I'm not sure. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 15:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the first one is obviously added by the scanlator. It reads "scanlated by /a/non for /a/non, raws from [something I couldn't read due to quality]". --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::The mysterious characters on the second one don't look like any recognized runes to me. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::In case you're talking about　"入口は？？", that's japanese. I can't make it quite out, but it should say something like "Entrance this way". --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 16:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::::Oh my. I know enough Japanese to know what 入口 is, but it's such an obfuscated font I'd never tell it's kanji. Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::The last scanlator runeword matches the raw provider name in the watermark in the next page, and it's mixing archaic and modern.
::::: Thank you all very much, sorry for the inconvenience. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Juubey? ==

Where'd you get this from? O.o [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:[[File:Juubey.jpg|200px]]
:It seems that scans leaked on 2ch. [[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 13:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:: Now notice the shadow next to Juubey in the first panel. Juubey may not be an Incubator after all... -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Jubey's definitely an Incubator. The girl on the second page (I forget her name) calls him/her/it "the fairy that made us into puella magi". It seems that Kyubey is present on the first page, though...--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Exactly. Kyubey is a hive mind. Why would he need to talk to himself like that? I think the fact that it's a "fairy" is going to be a major point. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 16:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Even if there's a hive mind, that doesn't mean they can simply telepathically talk or instantly know what another Incubator is up to. Like the Human Interfaces in Haruhi.--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Volume 1 ==
Dumb question: I would imagine that since it's being released the same time as ''Oriko'' it might get lost in the shuffle, but is there anyone who's planning to look through it and see if there are any differences/additions to the original serialized chapters? -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:If someone will upload the scans (raws are fine) of the tankobon somewhere (preferably as some DDL, but torrent is OK, too), then I can do that. But seeing how Kazumi is rather unpopular, I'm not so sure of the scan availability. I don't plan on buying Kazumi myself. Not in the slightest. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 20:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:: Yeah, that's what concerns me. I'd do it myself, if I could get the scans, but...--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::It is? Uh... it's got half a million views in MangaFox, but then again, I guess that doesn't translate in the "Madoka is sold out EVERYWHERE" thing we had with the original manga. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::: It's more that I'm worried Kazumi will be ignored when Oriko comes out. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:::: Well obviously. Slapping the main characters on it = automatic profit. And Kazumi was just getting intresting :/ (well, to most people. I've liked it since the start. Though it might just be because I love Kazumi and real tech mixed with magic (the GPS, Yuuri's SMGs are ''almost'' [[wikipedia:Walther MPL|Walther MPL]]'s, etc.)) --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

:So, now that it's actually out, has there been any mention of changes/additions? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::At least the Soul Gems were redrawn. The Grief Seed probably too, but there's no scan of that page. --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 03:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::[[File:kazumicomparison.jpg|200px]]

== Expansion ==

This is a question that also applies to Oriko. Right now, we have a single page to cover everything in each manga release. Granted, they're nearly not the same scale as Madoka, and one of them is just a medium conversion with few changes. But still, there's more to it than just this.
The most obvious example being a page for Kazumi herself, Umika and Kaoru, and another for the Pleiades Saints. And maybe then think about other stuff. I volunteer to work on it, but I won't be able to until the weekend, university and fencing are keeping me locked up. But that's not really my main question. That would be: should it be done? Okay, this is "Puella Magi wiki", not "Madoka wiki". But given the obviously huge focus on Madoka, and the apparent lack of interest in the spin-offs (so far), is it justifiable? I certainly think so, but I want to hear from you. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I myself am not interested in the spinoffs, but definitely think that ''Kazumi'' at least should get its own set of character pages and the like. My only problem is with ''Oriko'': the current translation of the second volume's synopsis calls it the "concluding" volume, meaning that the series most likely isn't going to have enough content to justify taking up more than one page -- especially considering that any new insight into the anime characters can just be entered onto ''their'' preexisting pages. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 03:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::I support Kazumi pages. Oriko at the very least should get her own page. It's approximately 8 chapters, which is relatively significant. [[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 05:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think it's best to separate manga characterizations from the anime ones. Oriko is described as a spin-off, so events and characterizations may not be considered canon to the anime. We know even the direct adaptation manga has significant differences from the anime. For example, the manga shows Sayaka killing the men on the train whereas Shinbo in the anime chose not to go that route. Either interpretation was acceptable to Urobuchi who left the scenario open to both so neither are technically wrong but it would be confusing and a bit misleading to not clearly state what was in the anime and what was in the manga. This would also apply to the background information on Madoka's characters from Oriko. I'm all for having it included but the source should be clearly stated and preferably categorized so it avoids any confusion. As for Kazumi, as long as the pages stay under the manga section, it sounds fine, just don't want it under the characters page where people might get confused with them and the Madoka anime characters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 05:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

SUGGESTION: Since the character pages all need to be cleaned up a little big in general (speculah about characters should be moved to a new speculah page for characters, for example, and be tagged right/wrong/uncomfirmed), redundant discussions need to be trimmed, etc etc, just add a "in the manga" section to each character page that will, as necessary, detail their involvement in the mangas. Furthermore, I believe that each major manga character (so Kazumi and Oriko, at least) should get their own page on the characters page. Just add a section for manga-only characters.
:The character pages do need clean-up however I don't think Kazumi or any other manga-only characters (like in Oriko) should be included with the Madoka ones. The website is dedicated to Puella Magi (or Mahou Shoujo) Madoka Magica. That means the character pages should really only be dedicated to those characters in the anime. The manga only characters belong in the manga section as something in addition that might interest people, but isn't the main focus or draw to this site. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 07:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::I agree with the sentiment, but why have a wiki for the anime and a wiki for the manga when we could have a single unified wiki that properly identifies what comes from the manga and what comes from the anime? This just seems like it'll split the fanbase between working on a manga wiki and working on an anime wiki... and guess which one will get more attention and which one will be incomplete and barely worked on if that happens? I'm not seeing the harm in adding manga material, as long as it is clearly identified and marked which is what. Not only that, but knowing that the mangas are being produced by the same company, they may reveal things that will fill in the blanks for the anime. If a decision can't be reached by single individuals, though... why not hold a poll?

::Actually, the wiki is called "puella-magi.net" (as opposed to the previous one who was madoka-centered), and the homepage states "(...) as well as any subsequent works.", so like the guy above me (who didn't sign his comment by the way), I think manga characters do have their place here. Why not just add a new row "Manga characters" in the [[Characters]]'s table? (just like Madoka's family and classmates) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Let me see if I can explain my thinking in clearer, more straight-forward fashion. The most logical way I see to fix the issues discussed is for: the manga to have its own subsection (equivalent to setting, products, media etc.) and in that section, each manga would have a separate listing under it. Then, you can break out the manga into a chapters and character page. This is a simple way to solve the issues of growth and also clearly separates what happens in the anime from what happens in the manga. You can also then provide a link from the anime characters pointing to the manga character page(s) to give additional information/discrepancies between what occurred in the anime and manga, but having separate pages makes it easy to see what characteristic was derived from which source.
:::On the other hand, if you'd did it the other way people are suggesting, adding manga-only characters to the character section, it could easily become confusing to someone who is not familiar with both the anime and manga. It's also inconsistent with the format of the section under settings where location, glossary and (of course) episodes are all anime-specific. Then you may open up the can of worms where people start adding manga-only items to location, glossary, etc. If you say well why does any of this matter? It's because there are always discrepancies between "canon anime," "canon manga," and "spin-off manga," that are viewed as different level of authority by fans and it's important to them to know the distinction. Anytime those lines start getting blurred, you'll get a host of questions and arguments that could have been avoided by knowing that X came from this source and Y came from this other source, and OK the first source is canon and the second one isn't. Speaking from the painful experience of seeing this happen many times before with other franchises--well, it's always good to keep source material as clear as possible.
:::One final comment: It only takes one or two dedicated fans to update the wiki on a manga volume and it seems Kazumi has those fans. I don't see why people are concerned it'll get neglected. Even if Kazumi updates are delayed because of Oriko's premiere, that would only be reflecting the fanbase interests and the wiki doing what it's suppose to: providing the info that's most interesting and timely to the fanbase. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 15:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay, I get your point better now, and it makes sense indeed. We just have to be careful to link the pages properly to give the "Manga" part of the wiki the attention it desserves, and to carefully state what should go where. The easiest way to do so would probably be to use a new namespace, "Manga:", for all those pages, right? Also, another advantage I see in your way of separating things is that character pages (as well as others) won't grow any bigger that way. If we merge both the anime and manga info into one page, then it'd grow into a wall of text even bigger than it is now. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::In all seriousness, have you ever seen any wiki related to some fictional work to have many pages about the same character for different media he/she appears in? The only example I am aware of is Asuka from Evangelion on the [http://wiki.evageeks.org EvaGeeks wiki]. Since her name and biography is quite different in the Rebuild movies, they chose to just mention her Rebuild version briefly in the main article ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Langley_Soryu Asuka Langley Soryu]) and make a separate article for the Rebuild character ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Shikinami_Langley Asuka Shikinami Langley]).
:::::But look at [http://wiki.evageeks.org/Shinji_Ikari the page about Shinji]. There are several paragraphs about him in the original series and The End of Eva (treated jointly), and then subsections "in the manga", "in other Eva-base manga", "in Rebuild of Eva". They have no speculah section, but a trivia section titled "Notes", so it kind of evens out ;)
:::::Anyway, the Madoka manga does not really differ ''that'' much from the anime. Even though I kind of outdid myself [[Manga differences|spotting almost every single difference]], most of them are fairly insignificant in terms of character development. Knowing the exact wording of Mami's wish or not? Sayaka killing the men on the train or not? Charlotte looking different in her caterpillar form? Kyubey having facial expression or not? Do they really justify making separate pages for anime and manga versions of every single character? I don't think so.
:::::The only appearance of Madoka character in Kazumi is Kyubey's cameo and Madoka's silhouette as an illustration of a Puella Magi, which are totally insignificant for anything other than noting it. I don't think we'll ever see other anime characters in Kazumi, since it takes place in a different city. And Kazumi isn't in conflict with anime canon in terms of "the laws of the universe".
:::::Oriko will be a different beast, because many of Madoka's main characters are also Oriko's main characters. But even if it will be in direct conflict with the anime canon, I vote for just having an "In other media" section, and then subsections "In ''Madoka'' manga", "In ''Oriko'' manga" etc. We don't have two separate Madokas (or Mamis, Homuras, Kyoukos, Kyubeys), it's the same character. And having many timelines doesn't change it (can you seriously imagine having separate page for eg. Keiichi from Higurashi for every arc?). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::So in the end it all comes down to how much difference there is between sources. If existing characters start changing a lot in one of the series, then they may need a separate page, but not if it's just minor changes/no changes at all, where a single section would be enough ... (note that there isn't much difference between both solution if the pages are linked proprely) Anyway, I have to admit I don't follow any of the manga series, so I'll leave the debate to you guys. Just one last suggestion: why don't we do as usual, i.e. solving problems when they're here? We could just add stuff to the existing pages for now, and start thinking of another organization if it gets too messy in the future right? None of the pages look like they'd need a refactoring in the near future to me, and we still barely know anything about Kazumi/Oriko Magica so it's a bit hard to anticipate at this rate ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, sorry, I saw this discussion as a future direction, e.g. after Oriko and Kazumi's new volumes are out. Right now even the manga pages aren't even half as long as say, Homura's character page. So they're fine as one-pagers at the moment.
::::::Hm, I think you're misunderstanding in thinking there'd be a "Manga Homura" page versus "Anime Homura" page. What I'm proposing is a "Manga Character page" for each manga so for instance, Kazumi would have a page listing all its characters. Madoka and Oriko's manga would provide for anime characters: a blurb description, a link to the anime-specific characters page, then list things unique to that manga. Then for Oriko it would list all the manga-specific characters like the three new girls, witches, etc. This to me is far clearer and easier for users than adding all the manga-only characters in Oriko and Kazumi to the already long list of characters, and then add more sections to the already lengthy anime character pages. I hear you about the wikis with the Eva examples and that makes sense when you normally have brief, general summaries that you can put together where there's consensus, and easily see where there's major differences from different sources. I personally prefer that format for character pages and I'd be for it if things were rolled up in summary format. But I see Madoka's wiki is different with very detailed levels of information for well, everything (like the summary paragraphs of all the manga vs. anime differences...that's not something you normally see on a wiki), and people seemed inclined in only adding and not trimming things back. When things are that detailed, it makes sense to separate out pages to reduce length and confusion. Madoka's manga doesn't have much but if people show as much interest in detailing things for Oriko, those character pages can really get out-of-hand. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::OK, I think I see your point now, and it seems we don't really differ much, if at all ;) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::::<s>Full-blown discussion engaged. Just as keikaku.</s> Don't mind me addressing initial ponderings, I was away all day. First, of course a proper separation is needed. I never in any way doubted that. The issue was "how", not "if", and you handled better than I would have. So, two main lines of thought, so far: a strong separation between anime and manga stuff, or a higher level of interaction, while asserting their differences. I must go with the last one. Character pages for ''at least'' the major manga characters (well... it's not like Madoka follows that rule), "In other media" sections for anime ones, and a "manga characters" section at the Characters page. But I do absolutely agree that the differences in canon must be properly stated. Maybe some sort of header on both saying: (NOTE: It is unclear how canonical the events of the manga editions are towards the anime. Use caution.) Or something of the kind (shorter, of course). As for things getting out of hand... that's what were here for, no? Although I do not believe things will go down that road. If they didn't with the anime (or rather: they did, but we rode through the storm), I find it hard to believe it will happen with Oriko, no matter the popularity. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 23:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Here's a suggestion. Stop me if I'm wrong. Character pages, IMO, should be divided like this:
*Brief Summary, First Appearance
*Personality (Brief Overview)
*History (backstory+role in the anime; this section would clearly point out that a character is NOT from the anime in the case of manga characters)
*In the Manga (information may not be canon; use section to give an overview of what they do in each manga series, if applicable; for example, this would be a good place to note things like 'in the manga, <so and so forth>'s weapon is slightly different' or 'in the manga, <so and so forth> actually kills <unimportant characters on a train>')
*Powers, Weapons & Abilities
*Trivia
*Gallery
*Link to Speculah Page

As it is right now, I won't lie, character pages look like shit. They're full of weird speculah, people have a tendency to use the various fields as mini-forums for discussion (instead of the talk pages), the official info sections are basically heaps of stuff, and the pages are NOT easy to read. Compare this to any other established wiki with dedicated character pages and... yeah, this is definitely a weird way to do it. More to the point: people need to stop using the character pages as discussion forums. They need to use the talk pages for that. If I'm wrong, then I guess it's no use hanging around and offering contributions now and again; I must have some odd, incompatible way of thinking for the people on this wiki.

:Well I agree to the rest we should make a character page. However we don't had much official images of the characters from Kazumi. Like separating the character tablet of Madoka and Kazumi. -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 07:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

::I agree that the character pages need a cleanup, and actually, [[Wishlist|it's in the wishlist]]. I also agree that the speculah section should be a little more formal, and not "I think this ... I disagree with him ...". I don't see a problem with people adding sub-points to a point of speculah, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tsundere/Anime tvtropes-like], but we should just be careful not to turn it into a talkpage (i.e. we should avoid personal opinion and prefer neutral speech for instance). As for the speculah section, if they're written correctly (and maybe cleaned up, like Homura's page), I don't see a reason to move them to another page. Since you're talking about other established wiki, just look at [http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo the Touhou wiki] for instance: there is also a part of speculah on the characters pages, even though it's far smaller than here (I don't think that delirium about Yukari's name is canon, but I may be mistaken). So yeah in conclusion I agree with you, except that I'd leave the speculah on the page if I were you. Also, I'm nitpicking here but I'm not sure "weapons and abilities" need a section on its own. What is there to write, except "Madoka uses a bow and has the ability to throw random stuff when things go downhill"? There's also [[Weapons|a page]] detailing what the weapons are, and so on. tl;dr I agree with your way of doing things, with some minor changes. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 08:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:::'Powers, abilities, etc' could link to the magic/magic speculah/weapon pages for more indepth outlooks. But for example, such a section on Homura's page would list out her shield, how it works (hourglass/one month), the timestopping, etc. The alternative would be to start including manga characters' stuff on those pages, which... risks making them swell and swell.
:Thinking about this again, I'm starting to think we may want to make character pages for ''all'' of the characters, not just the major ones. Whether or not they are "significant", they are still part of the franchise, and the wiki should keep organization even if it means making an article for a character nobody cares about. At least, even a supporting character in, say, ''Kazumi'' would be more important than, say, the Hospital Staff in ''Madoka''. [[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]] 06:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
::I agree. I wasn't sure what the reaction would be, so I just put everything about them in the [[Pleiades Saints]] page. There is just one problem: with the small amount of info we have so far, it'll be impossible to use the new character page setup. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:42, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:::It might be a good idea to just keep them to the [[Pleiades Saints]] page until we get more information, and then give them personal character pages. [[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 19:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to verify if I'm understanding the new proposed structure correctly, regarding the structure of the character breakdown.

Setting - All Anime specific
*Characters - 1) Character Summary Table[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Characters] -> 1.5) Individual Characters pages, now added manga sections ex: [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Homura_Akemi]
*Locations
*Glossary
*Episodes

Manga - Manga specific
*Madoka - 1) Chapters subpage
*Kazumi - 1) Chapters subpage, 2) Manga-specific Characters Summary table -> 2.5) Individual Characters pages
*Oriko - 1) Chapters subpage, 2) Manga-specific Characters Summary table -> 2.5) Individual Characters pages

Is this correct? --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:34, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:A lot of wikis (like the Haruhi Wiki, which I'm currently managing) have two character formats, one for major characters with a format with lots of detailed information, and one for characters we don't know much about and thus have a much more condensed format. Compare [http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Kyon this] (major character) and [http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Sasaki this] (minor character). Obviously this wiki would have a more organized format, but you get what I mean. [[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]] 19:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

:Hmmm We should also update this page http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Characters you know? As I said earlier, we should make another branch of it. Well I hadn't trying it so... -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 09:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

== Spoiler tags ==

I'm posting this in the Kazumi Magica talkpage, but it is not limited to Kazumi, but rather to the whole wiki. Kazumi Magica page can act as an example, and also helps me bring attention, since much of the wiki work now revolves around it ;)

Anyway - I feel the {{spoiler|inline spoiler tag}} is quite overused. I am using ir myself, following the common practice, but I somehow feel this is wrong. I even have a feeling that the inline spoiler tag is not well suited for the structure and character of this wiki. It works quite well on TVtropes, which has a more constant structure of pages, but... have you ever seen something like that on any other wiki? (what's more, our inline spoiler tag being black makes it less visually neat than TVtropes' white tag)

The idea is noble, but it leads to some weird situations. Here on Kazumi Magica page, having "Pleiades Saints" header spoilered, or even entire Chapter 4 summary doesn't look like it is what we've wanted...

I was talking about other established wikis above. The [http://wiki.evageeks.org/ EvaGeeks wiki] has only a spoiler warning box, and even more - uses it just for "recent media" (eg. the Rebuild movies). [http://starwars.wikia.com/ Wookiepedia] doesn't seem to have a spoiler tag ''at all'' (likely due to a line of thought that a wiki of some fictional work is primarily for people familiar with said work - it actually makes sense to me). [http://soranowoto.wikia.com/ So Ra No Wo To wiki], which may have been some kind of inspiration for ours (SRNWT being the original ''speculah'' anime) also only has a spoiler box... and doesn't use it anywhere. Spoiler boxes are also only kind of spoiler tags found on [http://en.touhouwiki.net/ Touhou Wiki] mentioned above and. Wikipedia actually got rid of ''all'' spoiler tags they once had.

tl;dr - I propose on cleaning the wiki of most (or even all) usage of {{spoiler|inline spoiler tag}} and strongly discouraging its use in new content (or even deleting it altogether). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 09:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
: As the one who used Spoiler tags on this page, I'm personally following a "Avoid spoiling major events of the previous two chapters" rule for Kazumi just in case no-one has seen it yet. Once Chapter 5 comes out I'd remove the Pleiades Saint spoilers, for example. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 10:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::Actually, it's possible to put a reference in the spoiler box. It only works with the anime episodes right now, but I'll edit it so that it accepts manga chapters too. Anyway, nothing refrains you of adding a spoiler box at the top of the section/page, which explains what is spoilered. See [[Template:Spoilers]] (subject to change in the following minutes/hours). --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:23, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

:Yeah, I started a discussion going in the same direction on [[Talk:Episode_12#Spoilers|the ep12 talkpage]], which is basically a black page at the moment. I agree with you in that spoilerish paragraphs should be tagged with a box, not with the inline tag. As its name states, the inline tag was at first meant for ... inline spoilers, i.e. words or parts of a sentence that could be spoilerish, and difficult to tag otherwise. Using them for a whole paragraph, or for headers, is just wrong usage. I wouldn't go as far as completely removing this tag, but we sure need clear guidelines regarding its usage. On the aesthetic part, I can try making it white if you find it less visually aggressive (the [[Episode 12]] page isn't really visually pleasant at the moment, I agree). Problem with the white spoiler tag is the opposite as the black one: you miss one more easily. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::Changed the spoiler tags to something TVtropes-like, i.e. white with gray bottom border. Tell me what you think about it. (I didn't find how to hide the links though, "a" and "a:visited" don't seem to work for some reason ...) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Links weren't hidden in the black version, either (though they were barely visible as dark blue on black). For the links, it works when you'll use <code>.inline-spoilers, .inline-spoilers a { color: white !important; } .inline-spoilers:hover { color: black !important; }</code>. However, then the tags won't get un-spoilered on hover, so you'll have to add something like <code>.inline-spoilers:hover a { color: #0645ad !important; }</code> and so on for other link classes (<code>a.stub</code>, <code>a.new</code> and also the visited and active versions, if you care), which is kind of ugly as per design robustness, but... works ;) As for the aesthetics of the white version, it looks great, at least for my tastes :) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 21:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

==Should We Add Kyubey?==
It seems like he is starting to appear more and more in the manga, specially during that critical moment. I suspect Kyubey is plotting something nasty. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 21:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
:I am adding Kyubey. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

==Witches Page==
Have we thought anything regarding the Witches pages? Should those pages be disambiguating or should it contain some spoilers just so is still informative?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
: We should make pages for the Kazumi Witches, but it should be split into two sections, for pseudo-witches and regular Witches. -- [[User: SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 17:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

==Kazumi Vol.1 Changes and Additions!==
Tvtroper Ace Of Scarabs [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=599#14953 has uploaded a few changed and added pages from Kazumi vol.1]. Thanks Ace Of Scarabs! --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

==Kazumi Vol.2==
Might as well ask: Anyone hear anything about this? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:24, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:[http://blog.min.chu.jp/?eid=1243531#sequel Source 1], [http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51296797.html Source 2], [http://i.imgur.com/cup43.jpg Pic 1], [http://i.imgur.com/KMEvF.jpg Pic 2], [http://i.imgur.com/hoCQX.jpg Pic 3] --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:: You are awesome, thank you. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:30, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
::: Pic 1 give me lols. Also has anyone has the sketches in the update Volume 2? -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 02:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

==Vol 2 Short Story?==
So, looking at Hiramatsu's blog, google translate is telling me there was a special edition that had an extra short story sold with volume 2. Anyones have details? [http://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/20/0011/07/97/200011079784.html Source 1] and [http://hirama1002.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-214.html source 2]. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 06:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:"Puella Magi Kazumi Magica Special Edition ~ A Dream-Filled Spoon". A 2-page short story on the reverse side of [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Kazumi_bonus.jpg this] extra art, included with volume 2 when purchased from Toranoana. The story is about Yuuri and Airi's life two years prior to Yuuri's contract. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 00:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, that sounds really interesting (and sad, too). Thank you! I hope somebody has either a summary or a scan of it somewhere online. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 00:39, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

:::I found a short summary of it. It's from a [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/869 series] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/870 of] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/871 2ch] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/872 posts], so they (and my translation of them) might not be entirely reliable or accurate.

:::*The first part of the story is how Yuuri and Airi met. Yuuri cooked a big meal for her whole class, but one of the students complained of food poisoning afterward. Yuuri started staying home from school in shock, until Airi visited her and helped prove that the student was trying to frame Yuuri.

:::*The second part is two years later, after Airi fell ill. Yuuri is attacked by a witch and saved by [[Kazumi|a magical girl with a black hat and cape]]. She asks the girl to cure Airi, but she advises Yuuri to make a contract herself. And then she does, of course.

:::*Also, Yuuri's titular spoon is a souvenir from her appearance on a cooking show hosted by [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c005/17.html Slice Akiyama]. I think.

:::*...also, according to [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1321589325/397 this post], the Incubator accompanying the black magical girl is Kyuubey. You'd think it would be Juubey, but for some reason it's not?

:::[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 01:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
:::: Oh, wow, that is really really interesting. Thank you very much for the summary translations! I'll start adding this information to the relevant pages. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 01:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Chapter 11 of Kazumi implies that the Juubey we see in flashbacks is actually Kyuubey. That's probably why Kyubey is there. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

==Post-Chapter 13 revisions==
So, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=864#21591 spoilers are out], and it looks like Kazumi's page in going to have to be revamped quite a bit with this new information, as well as adding a lot to Saki and Satomi's character pages, as well as updating and changing things on the Pleiades Saints page (and the other Pleiades members' pages, though less so). We're going to be busy when the full translation comes out.

Also, congrats to those fans who guessed that major reveal back in the early stages of the series. It's like predicting Homura being a time traveler by episode one all over again. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 08:29, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

So they revealed she is the 13th clone in the 13th chapter, I dont think that was coincidental. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:/a/non scans even wrote in their script that "Kazumi" can be read as 13, though I personally don't see how. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 11:03, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
::When I try to input 'kazumi' with Japanese IM, I found one of the candidates is '一三'(13). That might be why there is such a suspect. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 11:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Aaah, I get it now, so "kazu" is a popular nanori for 一. It's rather "one-three" than "thirteen", but still, very clever. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 14:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

==Chapter 15 title==
According to [http://hirama1002.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-237.html Hiramatsu's blog], the tentative title of Chapter 15 is "ポチョムサン" (pochomusan). Does anybody know what that could mean? The only thing I found from a Google search is that it's one character away from "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin Potemkin]". --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 00:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

== Implied end coming soon? ==

I have the idea that this series is coming to an end soon. It is parallelling lots of things from the end of Madoka Magica. For example, Kazumi now knows the truth and has the maturity to understand it, Her friends are trying to protect her at the cost of making things worst for Kazumi (especially Saki, who reminds me somehow of Homura. Even [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Production_note_Homura_design.jpg one of Homura´s pre design clothes resembles Saki´s Puella Magi outfit]), Kazumi has an emotional goodbye with the adult she was attached to and now she is going to face the problem, much in the same fashion Madoka did. What do you think? [[User:Sayaka-Miki|Sayaka-Miki]] 19:02, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:As I was reading the summary, this is EXACTLY what came to my mind. I feel like the standoff between Kazumi and the Pleiades will be the big finisher. There will probably be several more revelations tied into the story, too. --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 22:04, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

==SPECULAH: Relation between Kazumi Magica and the Zodiac==

I noticed something major, besides the apparent proximity of Taurus and Gemini to the Pleiades cluster there is a major patter you get from putting every magical girl/witch in chronological order of contribution to the story.

===Mami Tomoe/Candeloro - Capricorn===
Positive Traits

:• Practical and prudent (Get's the job done)
:• Ambitious and disciplined (Kick ass senpai)
:• Patient and careful (We all know what happens when she loses it)
:• Humorous and reserved (She is so cute yet she can't connect)

Negative Traits

:• Pessimistic and fatalistic (Depressive much?)
:• Miserly and grudging (No seriously?)

Capricorn Likes: hot, simple food, antiques, history, duties and responsibilities (Magica girl and mentor to the point of insanity), not being pressured by others, having plenty of unconditional love (Invitation with no exit), lots of personal privacy (Awesome appartment), new books, and expensive gemstones (Flashy as an angel Mami-san).

Capricorn Dislikes: untidiness and disorder of all kinds, being teased (Damn, Tiro Finale it's not funny Kyoko!), surprises (Sup Charlotte?), new ideas (Magical girl are witches my ass!), loneliness (OH YEAH!), being made to feel useless or incompetent (Relying to much on Kaname-san makes me witch out), and being embarrassed in public.

===Kyoko Sakura/Ophelia - Aquarius===
Positive Traits

:• Friendly and humanitarian (True self)
:• Honest and loyal (Same as above)
:• Original and inventive (Cool and funny)
:• Independent and intellectual (Independent is an understatement)

Negative Traits

:• Intractable and contrary (Sour armor to boot)
:• Perverse and unpredictable (Kyoko is plain crazy)
:• Unemotional and detached (Abandonment)

Aquarius Likes: fame and recognition (I am awesome biatch!), personal privacy (Nothing I do is of your business), rainbows, dreams, magic, change for its own sake, eccentricity, surprises, and living within their means despite the many temptations which constantly surround them every waking moment (Oh, come on! Those last are her true self with a nail in the head).

Aquarius Dislikes: emotion and intimacy (Everyone I love dies), people who show off (Especially Sayaka), being taken for granted (Fought Sayaka and Homura), being pinned down, violence and fighting (Inverted for sour armor but straight for true self), and senseless or purposeless extravagance of any sort (SAYAKA!!!). (Also, let's not forget she drowned in death)

===Hungrige Pumpe - Pisces===
Positive Traits

:• Imaginative and sensitive
:• Compassionate and kind
:• Selfless and unworldly (Is there a self on a colony of jellyfish?)
:• Intuitive and sympathetic

Negative Traits

:• Escapist and idealistic (Breaks into familiars and regenerates like a balloon)
:• Secretive and vague (Ancient sea)
:• Weak-willed and easily led (I am a bunch of people)

Pisces Likes: foods of all kinds, romantic places, sunsets over the sea, waterfalls, ponds, poetry, people, mystical settings, candles, incense, freedom to drift along from moment to moment, and their own uninterrupted personal privacy (Her freaking entire barrier was basically that).

Pisces Dislikes: bright, noisy, crowded, popular places and dirty, ugly, garish objects, and the wrong people (Meddling Pleiades and the Incubator blasted everything).

===Yuuri Asuka/Arzt Kochen - Aries===
Positive Traits

:• Adventurous and energetic (I will save you Airi)
:• Pioneering and courageous (Hit the contract button)
:• Enthusiastic and confident (Tried to save sick people with magic until death)
:• Dynamic and quick-witted (Cooking genius)

Negative Traits

:• Selfish and Quick-tempered (Come at me Kyoko!)
:• Foolhardy and daredevil (Blew her Soul Gem due to overuse)
:• Impulsive and impatient (^^Bring it on red-haired bitch!)

Aries Likes: action, challenge, spontaneity, championing causes (Save people to death) and coming in first

Aries Dislikes: waiting, tyranny, failure (Nobody can survive her surgery), lack of opposition and the advice of others

===Airi Anri/Nie Blühen Herzen - Taurus===
Positive Traits

:• Patient and reliable
:• Warmhearted and loving
:• Persistent and determined (Never gonna give you up Asuka)
:• Placid and security loving (Gay for Asuka to the core)

Negative Traits

:• Jealous and possessive (Psycho lesbian much?)
:• Resentful and inflexible (No shit Sherlock)
:• Self-indulgent and greedy (Loved sweets, Asuka and would plow down everything to get her pleasure)

Taurus Likes: permanency, stability, luxury, comfort, pleasure and good food

Taurus Dislikes: disruption, being rushed, being indoors, being pushed too hard and any break in routine

===Ayase/Ruka Souju - Gemini===
Positive Traits

:• Adaptable and versatile (Ice/Fire magic)
:• Communicative and witty (Talks like crazy)
:• Intellectual and eloquent
:• Youthful and lively (Soul Gem addict)

Negative Traits

:• Nervous and tense
:• Superficial and inconsistent (Ax crazy with bipolar disorder/two people on the same body)
:• Cunning and inquisitive (Wants to steal more Soul Gems)

Gemini Likes: talking, novelty, variety, anything unusual and working on multiple projects (fought two enemies at once) at the same time.

Gemini Dislikes: being alone, being in a rut, mental inaction, conventional learning and feeling tied down.

===Nico Kanna/Weiße Königin - Cancer===
Positive Traits

:• Emotional and loving
:• Intuitive and imaginative (She made magitek gadjets)
:• Shrewd and cautious (Never told her wish)
:• Protective and sympathetic (Fought and protected Kazumi)

Negative Traits

:• Changeable and moody
:• Overemotional and touchy
:• Clinging and unable to let go (Guilty as a curse)

Cancer Likes: hobbies, romance, children, parties, home and country (Shoot people in USA).

Cancer Dislikes: failure, opposition (Can't stand being judged and destroy's everyone on sight), aggravating situations, being told what to do and being given advice...whether good or bad.

===Satomi Usagi/????? - Leo===
Positive Traits
:• Generous and warmhearted (Wants to take care of all poor animals)
:• Creative and enthusiastic (Miss sunshine)
:• Broad-minded and expansive
:• Faithful and loving (Sickening sweet when on a good mood)

Negative Traits
:• Pompous and patronizing (Glomps things on a marshmallow hell)
:• Bossy and interfering (Mind control magic and off rails much?)
:• Dogmatic and intolerant (Kazumi is a dirty witch who must die!)

Leo Likes: speculative ventures, lavish living, rich food, children, drama, pageantry and grandeur

Leo Dislikes:doing anything safely, day-to-day living, small-minded people, penny-pinching and mean spiritedness

===Mirai Wakaba - Virgo===
Positive Traits

:• Modest and shy (Before entering the Pleiades)
:• Meticulous and reliable (Made hundreds of handcrafted teddy bears)
:• Practical and diligent
:• Intelligent and analytical

Negative Traits

:• Fussy and a worrier (It's all over her corner of the platonic love triangle)
:• Overcritical and harsh (YOU HURT MY SAKI!!!)
:• Perfectionist and conservative

Virgo Likes: lists, hygiene, order, detail, precision, wholesomeness, health foods and perfection (even in minutiae)

Virgo Dislikes: squalor, uncertainty, health hazards, sloppy workers and anything deemed to be sordid (Thinks of Kazumi as a witch in human clothing)

===Saki Asami/????? - Libra===
Positive Traits

:• Diplomatic and urbane (Leadership traits)
:• Romantic and charming (Marriage proposals and lilys of the valley much?)
:• Easygoing and sociable (Leadership traits)
:• Idealistic and peaceable (Leadership traits)

Negative Traits

:• Indecisive and changeable (Can't kill the clones of my beloved)
:• Gullible and easily influenced (Got mind controlled)
:• Flirtatious and self-indulgent (I love my Michiru, Kazumi's suffering nonwithstanding)

Libra Likes: gentleness, sharing, conviviality and the "finer" things of life

Libra Dislikes: injustice, violence, brutishness, disharmony (Team leader hugs!), quarrels (Get away from Kazumi) and bad manners

===Kanna Hijiri - Scorpio===
Positive Traits

:• Determined and forceful (And how!)
:• Emotional and intuitive (I am not real? F*CK REAL PEOPLE!)
:• Powerful and passionate (Lot's of haxor abilities)
:• Exciting and magnetic (Prone to epicness)

Negative Traits

:• Jealous and resentful (I am not a real person and will kill humanity to be one!)
:• Compulsive and obsessive (That is also an understatement)
:• Secretive and obstinate (Trolled everyone behind the shadows)

Scorpio Likes: strenuous activity, the unraveling of mysteries, winning at any cost (Destruction of humanity much?), being acknowledged the undisputed champion of anything (Will be real when all else dies), and the comfort of their own homes (Her good life was a lie).

Scorpio Dislikes:being analyzed, being asked personal questions, new acquaintance, and having to trust a stranger with anything that they consider important enough to keep secure.

===Conclusion===
This leaves us with two signs left, Ophiuchus and Sagittarius.

I think that those will be respectively Kazumi and Madoka meaning that this series will be revealed as a prequel of sorts.

Talk:Puella Magi Kazumi Magica: The innocent malice

2012-06-25T16:22:24Z

Derp101(2): /* Kyoko Sakura/Ophelia - Aquarius */

== Names ==

Is it "Niko" or "Nico"? The scanlations use the latter. -[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Wait. Independent chapters? ==

I'm seeing Chapters One through Three of Kazumi on Mangafox. Yet the first volume is only coming out in May 12th?
I am kinda nob when it comes to manga... so, does "serialization" means that these chapters are coming out in Kirara Forward each month, before they're packed together and released as a volume? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

: Yes. Most manga series are published chapter-by-chapter each week or month in a magazine, with volumes being released whenever a set number of chapters is reached. [[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.100|64.89.144.100]] 20:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

::In that case, should we add each chapter's release date? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

:::I believe a release date along with a summary of the chapters would be in order, with proper spoiler tags of course.

== Runes? ==
I think there is some runic text in Kazumi chapter 1. Anyone have a translation? - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:Do you have a scan or something? Might as well try and translate them, I'm pretty bored anyway. Also, we should probably make a page for them then, [[Runes:Kazumi Magica]] or something. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 14:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:: [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c001/4.html I see them here, but suddenly I'm not sure if they were added there by the scanlators or not.] There ''might'' be some [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c003/5.html here] as well, I'm not sure. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 15:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the first one is obviously added by the scanlator. It reads "scanlated by /a/non for /a/non, raws from [something I couldn't read due to quality]". --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::The mysterious characters on the second one don't look like any recognized runes to me. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::In case you're talking about　"入口は？？", that's japanese. I can't make it quite out, but it should say something like "Entrance this way". --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 16:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::::Oh my. I know enough Japanese to know what 入口 is, but it's such an obfuscated font I'd never tell it's kanji. Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::The last scanlator runeword matches the raw provider name in the watermark in the next page, and it's mixing archaic and modern.
::::: Thank you all very much, sorry for the inconvenience. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Juubey? ==

Where'd you get this from? O.o [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:[[File:Juubey.jpg|200px]]
:It seems that scans leaked on 2ch. [[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 13:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:: Now notice the shadow next to Juubey in the first panel. Juubey may not be an Incubator after all... -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Jubey's definitely an Incubator. The girl on the second page (I forget her name) calls him/her/it "the fairy that made us into puella magi". It seems that Kyubey is present on the first page, though...--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Exactly. Kyubey is a hive mind. Why would he need to talk to himself like that? I think the fact that it's a "fairy" is going to be a major point. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 16:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Even if there's a hive mind, that doesn't mean they can simply telepathically talk or instantly know what another Incubator is up to. Like the Human Interfaces in Haruhi.--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Volume 1 ==
Dumb question: I would imagine that since it's being released the same time as ''Oriko'' it might get lost in the shuffle, but is there anyone who's planning to look through it and see if there are any differences/additions to the original serialized chapters? -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:If someone will upload the scans (raws are fine) of the tankobon somewhere (preferably as some DDL, but torrent is OK, too), then I can do that. But seeing how Kazumi is rather unpopular, I'm not so sure of the scan availability. I don't plan on buying Kazumi myself. Not in the slightest. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 20:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:: Yeah, that's what concerns me. I'd do it myself, if I could get the scans, but...--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::It is? Uh... it's got half a million views in MangaFox, but then again, I guess that doesn't translate in the "Madoka is sold out EVERYWHERE" thing we had with the original manga. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::: It's more that I'm worried Kazumi will be ignored when Oriko comes out. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:::: Well obviously. Slapping the main characters on it = automatic profit. And Kazumi was just getting intresting :/ (well, to most people. I've liked it since the start. Though it might just be because I love Kazumi and real tech mixed with magic (the GPS, Yuuri's SMGs are ''almost'' [[wikipedia:Walther MPL|Walther MPL]]'s, etc.)) --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

:So, now that it's actually out, has there been any mention of changes/additions? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::At least the Soul Gems were redrawn. The Grief Seed probably too, but there's no scan of that page. --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 03:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::[[File:kazumicomparison.jpg|200px]]

== Expansion ==

This is a question that also applies to Oriko. Right now, we have a single page to cover everything in each manga release. Granted, they're nearly not the same scale as Madoka, and one of them is just a medium conversion with few changes. But still, there's more to it than just this.
The most obvious example being a page for Kazumi herself, Umika and Kaoru, and another for the Pleiades Saints. And maybe then think about other stuff. I volunteer to work on it, but I won't be able to until the weekend, university and fencing are keeping me locked up. But that's not really my main question. That would be: should it be done? Okay, this is "Puella Magi wiki", not "Madoka wiki". But given the obviously huge focus on Madoka, and the apparent lack of interest in the spin-offs (so far), is it justifiable? I certainly think so, but I want to hear from you. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I myself am not interested in the spinoffs, but definitely think that ''Kazumi'' at least should get its own set of character pages and the like. My only problem is with ''Oriko'': the current translation of the second volume's synopsis calls it the "concluding" volume, meaning that the series most likely isn't going to have enough content to justify taking up more than one page -- especially considering that any new insight into the anime characters can just be entered onto ''their'' preexisting pages. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 03:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::I support Kazumi pages. Oriko at the very least should get her own page. It's approximately 8 chapters, which is relatively significant. [[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 05:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think it's best to separate manga characterizations from the anime ones. Oriko is described as a spin-off, so events and characterizations may not be considered canon to the anime. We know even the direct adaptation manga has significant differences from the anime. For example, the manga shows Sayaka killing the men on the train whereas Shinbo in the anime chose not to go that route. Either interpretation was acceptable to Urobuchi who left the scenario open to both so neither are technically wrong but it would be confusing and a bit misleading to not clearly state what was in the anime and what was in the manga. This would also apply to the background information on Madoka's characters from Oriko. I'm all for having it included but the source should be clearly stated and preferably categorized so it avoids any confusion. As for Kazumi, as long as the pages stay under the manga section, it sounds fine, just don't want it under the characters page where people might get confused with them and the Madoka anime characters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 05:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

SUGGESTION: Since the character pages all need to be cleaned up a little big in general (speculah about characters should be moved to a new speculah page for characters, for example, and be tagged right/wrong/uncomfirmed), redundant discussions need to be trimmed, etc etc, just add a "in the manga" section to each character page that will, as necessary, detail their involvement in the mangas. Furthermore, I believe that each major manga character (so Kazumi and Oriko, at least) should get their own page on the characters page. Just add a section for manga-only characters.
:The character pages do need clean-up however I don't think Kazumi or any other manga-only characters (like in Oriko) should be included with the Madoka ones. The website is dedicated to Puella Magi (or Mahou Shoujo) Madoka Magica. That means the character pages should really only be dedicated to those characters in the anime. The manga only characters belong in the manga section as something in addition that might interest people, but isn't the main focus or draw to this site. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 07:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::I agree with the sentiment, but why have a wiki for the anime and a wiki for the manga when we could have a single unified wiki that properly identifies what comes from the manga and what comes from the anime? This just seems like it'll split the fanbase between working on a manga wiki and working on an anime wiki... and guess which one will get more attention and which one will be incomplete and barely worked on if that happens? I'm not seeing the harm in adding manga material, as long as it is clearly identified and marked which is what. Not only that, but knowing that the mangas are being produced by the same company, they may reveal things that will fill in the blanks for the anime. If a decision can't be reached by single individuals, though... why not hold a poll?

::Actually, the wiki is called "puella-magi.net" (as opposed to the previous one who was madoka-centered), and the homepage states "(...) as well as any subsequent works.", so like the guy above me (who didn't sign his comment by the way), I think manga characters do have their place here. Why not just add a new row "Manga characters" in the [[Characters]]'s table? (just like Madoka's family and classmates) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Let me see if I can explain my thinking in clearer, more straight-forward fashion. The most logical way I see to fix the issues discussed is for: the manga to have its own subsection (equivalent to setting, products, media etc.) and in that section, each manga would have a separate listing under it. Then, you can break out the manga into a chapters and character page. This is a simple way to solve the issues of growth and also clearly separates what happens in the anime from what happens in the manga. You can also then provide a link from the anime characters pointing to the manga character page(s) to give additional information/discrepancies between what occurred in the anime and manga, but having separate pages makes it easy to see what characteristic was derived from which source.
:::On the other hand, if you'd did it the other way people are suggesting, adding manga-only characters to the character section, it could easily become confusing to someone who is not familiar with both the anime and manga. It's also inconsistent with the format of the section under settings where location, glossary and (of course) episodes are all anime-specific. Then you may open up the can of worms where people start adding manga-only items to location, glossary, etc. If you say well why does any of this matter? It's because there are always discrepancies between "canon anime," "canon manga," and "spin-off manga," that are viewed as different level of authority by fans and it's important to them to know the distinction. Anytime those lines start getting blurred, you'll get a host of questions and arguments that could have been avoided by knowing that X came from this source and Y came from this other source, and OK the first source is canon and the second one isn't. Speaking from the painful experience of seeing this happen many times before with other franchises--well, it's always good to keep source material as clear as possible.
:::One final comment: It only takes one or two dedicated fans to update the wiki on a manga volume and it seems Kazumi has those fans. I don't see why people are concerned it'll get neglected. Even if Kazumi updates are delayed because of Oriko's premiere, that would only be reflecting the fanbase interests and the wiki doing what it's suppose to: providing the info that's most interesting and timely to the fanbase. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 15:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay, I get your point better now, and it makes sense indeed. We just have to be careful to link the pages properly to give the "Manga" part of the wiki the attention it desserves, and to carefully state what should go where. The easiest way to do so would probably be to use a new namespace, "Manga:", for all those pages, right? Also, another advantage I see in your way of separating things is that character pages (as well as others) won't grow any bigger that way. If we merge both the anime and manga info into one page, then it'd grow into a wall of text even bigger than it is now. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::In all seriousness, have you ever seen any wiki related to some fictional work to have many pages about the same character for different media he/she appears in? The only example I am aware of is Asuka from Evangelion on the [http://wiki.evageeks.org EvaGeeks wiki]. Since her name and biography is quite different in the Rebuild movies, they chose to just mention her Rebuild version briefly in the main article ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Langley_Soryu Asuka Langley Soryu]) and make a separate article for the Rebuild character ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Shikinami_Langley Asuka Shikinami Langley]).
:::::But look at [http://wiki.evageeks.org/Shinji_Ikari the page about Shinji]. There are several paragraphs about him in the original series and The End of Eva (treated jointly), and then subsections "in the manga", "in other Eva-base manga", "in Rebuild of Eva". They have no speculah section, but a trivia section titled "Notes", so it kind of evens out ;)
:::::Anyway, the Madoka manga does not really differ ''that'' much from the anime. Even though I kind of outdid myself [[Manga differences|spotting almost every single difference]], most of them are fairly insignificant in terms of character development. Knowing the exact wording of Mami's wish or not? Sayaka killing the men on the train or not? Charlotte looking different in her caterpillar form? Kyubey having facial expression or not? Do they really justify making separate pages for anime and manga versions of every single character? I don't think so.
:::::The only appearance of Madoka character in Kazumi is Kyubey's cameo and Madoka's silhouette as an illustration of a Puella Magi, which are totally insignificant for anything other than noting it. I don't think we'll ever see other anime characters in Kazumi, since it takes place in a different city. And Kazumi isn't in conflict with anime canon in terms of "the laws of the universe".
:::::Oriko will be a different beast, because many of Madoka's main characters are also Oriko's main characters. But even if it will be in direct conflict with the anime canon, I vote for just having an "In other media" section, and then subsections "In ''Madoka'' manga", "In ''Oriko'' manga" etc. We don't have two separate Madokas (or Mamis, Homuras, Kyoukos, Kyubeys), it's the same character. And having many timelines doesn't change it (can you seriously imagine having separate page for eg. Keiichi from Higurashi for every arc?). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::So in the end it all comes down to how much difference there is between sources. If existing characters start changing a lot in one of the series, then they may need a separate page, but not if it's just minor changes/no changes at all, where a single section would be enough ... (note that there isn't much difference between both solution if the pages are linked proprely) Anyway, I have to admit I don't follow any of the manga series, so I'll leave the debate to you guys. Just one last suggestion: why don't we do as usual, i.e. solving problems when they're here? We could just add stuff to the existing pages for now, and start thinking of another organization if it gets too messy in the future right? None of the pages look like they'd need a refactoring in the near future to me, and we still barely know anything about Kazumi/Oriko Magica so it's a bit hard to anticipate at this rate ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, sorry, I saw this discussion as a future direction, e.g. after Oriko and Kazumi's new volumes are out. Right now even the manga pages aren't even half as long as say, Homura's character page. So they're fine as one-pagers at the moment.
::::::Hm, I think you're misunderstanding in thinking there'd be a "Manga Homura" page versus "Anime Homura" page. What I'm proposing is a "Manga Character page" for each manga so for instance, Kazumi would have a page listing all its characters. Madoka and Oriko's manga would provide for anime characters: a blurb description, a link to the anime-specific characters page, then list things unique to that manga. Then for Oriko it would list all the manga-specific characters like the three new girls, witches, etc. This to me is far clearer and easier for users than adding all the manga-only characters in Oriko and Kazumi to the already long list of characters, and then add more sections to the already lengthy anime character pages. I hear you about the wikis with the Eva examples and that makes sense when you normally have brief, general summaries that you can put together where there's consensus, and easily see where there's major differences from different sources. I personally prefer that format for character pages and I'd be for it if things were rolled up in summary format. But I see Madoka's wiki is different with very detailed levels of information for well, everything (like the summary paragraphs of all the manga vs. anime differences...that's not something you normally see on a wiki), and people seemed inclined in only adding and not trimming things back. When things are that detailed, it makes sense to separate out pages to reduce length and confusion. Madoka's manga doesn't have much but if people show as much interest in detailing things for Oriko, those character pages can really get out-of-hand. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::OK, I think I see your point now, and it seems we don't really differ much, if at all ;) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::::<s>Full-blown discussion engaged. Just as keikaku.</s> Don't mind me addressing initial ponderings, I was away all day. First, of course a proper separation is needed. I never in any way doubted that. The issue was "how", not "if", and you handled better than I would have. So, two main lines of thought, so far: a strong separation between anime and manga stuff, or a higher level of interaction, while asserting their differences. I must go with the last one. Character pages for ''at least'' the major manga characters (well... it's not like Madoka follows that rule), "In other media" sections for anime ones, and a "manga characters" section at the Characters page. But I do absolutely agree that the differences in canon must be properly stated. Maybe some sort of header on both saying: (NOTE: It is unclear how canonical the events of the manga editions are towards the anime. Use caution.) Or something of the kind (shorter, of course). As for things getting out of hand... that's what were here for, no? Although I do not believe things will go down that road. If they didn't with the anime (or rather: they did, but we rode through the storm), I find it hard to believe it will happen with Oriko, no matter the popularity. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 23:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Here's a suggestion. Stop me if I'm wrong. Character pages, IMO, should be divided like this:
*Brief Summary, First Appearance
*Personality (Brief Overview)
*History (backstory+role in the anime; this section would clearly point out that a character is NOT from the anime in the case of manga characters)
*In the Manga (information may not be canon; use section to give an overview of what they do in each manga series, if applicable; for example, this would be a good place to note things like 'in the manga, <so and so forth>'s weapon is slightly different' or 'in the manga, <so and so forth> actually kills <unimportant characters on a train>')
*Powers, Weapons & Abilities
*Trivia
*Gallery
*Link to Speculah Page

As it is right now, I won't lie, character pages look like shit. They're full of weird speculah, people have a tendency to use the various fields as mini-forums for discussion (instead of the talk pages), the official info sections are basically heaps of stuff, and the pages are NOT easy to read. Compare this to any other established wiki with dedicated character pages and... yeah, this is definitely a weird way to do it. More to the point: people need to stop using the character pages as discussion forums. They need to use the talk pages for that. If I'm wrong, then I guess it's no use hanging around and offering contributions now and again; I must have some odd, incompatible way of thinking for the people on this wiki.

:Well I agree to the rest we should make a character page. However we don't had much official images of the characters from Kazumi. Like separating the character tablet of Madoka and Kazumi. -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 07:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

::I agree that the character pages need a cleanup, and actually, [[Wishlist|it's in the wishlist]]. I also agree that the speculah section should be a little more formal, and not "I think this ... I disagree with him ...". I don't see a problem with people adding sub-points to a point of speculah, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tsundere/Anime tvtropes-like], but we should just be careful not to turn it into a talkpage (i.e. we should avoid personal opinion and prefer neutral speech for instance). As for the speculah section, if they're written correctly (and maybe cleaned up, like Homura's page), I don't see a reason to move them to another page. Since you're talking about other established wiki, just look at [http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo the Touhou wiki] for instance: there is also a part of speculah on the characters pages, even though it's far smaller than here (I don't think that delirium about Yukari's name is canon, but I may be mistaken). So yeah in conclusion I agree with you, except that I'd leave the speculah on the page if I were you. Also, I'm nitpicking here but I'm not sure "weapons and abilities" need a section on its own. What is there to write, except "Madoka uses a bow and has the ability to throw random stuff when things go downhill"? There's also [[Weapons|a page]] detailing what the weapons are, and so on. tl;dr I agree with your way of doing things, with some minor changes. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 08:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:::'Powers, abilities, etc' could link to the magic/magic speculah/weapon pages for more indepth outlooks. But for example, such a section on Homura's page would list out her shield, how it works (hourglass/one month), the timestopping, etc. The alternative would be to start including manga characters' stuff on those pages, which... risks making them swell and swell.
:Thinking about this again, I'm starting to think we may want to make character pages for ''all'' of the characters, not just the major ones. Whether or not they are "significant", they are still part of the franchise, and the wiki should keep organization even if it means making an article for a character nobody cares about. At least, even a supporting character in, say, ''Kazumi'' would be more important than, say, the Hospital Staff in ''Madoka''. [[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]] 06:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
::I agree. I wasn't sure what the reaction would be, so I just put everything about them in the [[Pleiades Saints]] page. There is just one problem: with the small amount of info we have so far, it'll be impossible to use the new character page setup. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:42, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:::It might be a good idea to just keep them to the [[Pleiades Saints]] page until we get more information, and then give them personal character pages. [[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 19:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to verify if I'm understanding the new proposed structure correctly, regarding the structure of the character breakdown.

Setting - All Anime specific
*Characters - 1) Character Summary Table[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Characters] -> 1.5) Individual Characters pages, now added manga sections ex: [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Homura_Akemi]
*Locations
*Glossary
*Episodes

Manga - Manga specific
*Madoka - 1) Chapters subpage
*Kazumi - 1) Chapters subpage, 2) Manga-specific Characters Summary table -> 2.5) Individual Characters pages
*Oriko - 1) Chapters subpage, 2) Manga-specific Characters Summary table -> 2.5) Individual Characters pages

Is this correct? --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:34, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:A lot of wikis (like the Haruhi Wiki, which I'm currently managing) have two character formats, one for major characters with a format with lots of detailed information, and one for characters we don't know much about and thus have a much more condensed format. Compare [http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Kyon this] (major character) and [http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Sasaki this] (minor character). Obviously this wiki would have a more organized format, but you get what I mean. [[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]] 19:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

:Hmmm We should also update this page http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Characters you know? As I said earlier, we should make another branch of it. Well I hadn't trying it so... -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 09:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

== Spoiler tags ==

I'm posting this in the Kazumi Magica talkpage, but it is not limited to Kazumi, but rather to the whole wiki. Kazumi Magica page can act as an example, and also helps me bring attention, since much of the wiki work now revolves around it ;)

Anyway - I feel the {{spoiler|inline spoiler tag}} is quite overused. I am using ir myself, following the common practice, but I somehow feel this is wrong. I even have a feeling that the inline spoiler tag is not well suited for the structure and character of this wiki. It works quite well on TVtropes, which has a more constant structure of pages, but... have you ever seen something like that on any other wiki? (what's more, our inline spoiler tag being black makes it less visually neat than TVtropes' white tag)

The idea is noble, but it leads to some weird situations. Here on Kazumi Magica page, having "Pleiades Saints" header spoilered, or even entire Chapter 4 summary doesn't look like it is what we've wanted...

I was talking about other established wikis above. The [http://wiki.evageeks.org/ EvaGeeks wiki] has only a spoiler warning box, and even more - uses it just for "recent media" (eg. the Rebuild movies). [http://starwars.wikia.com/ Wookiepedia] doesn't seem to have a spoiler tag ''at all'' (likely due to a line of thought that a wiki of some fictional work is primarily for people familiar with said work - it actually makes sense to me). [http://soranowoto.wikia.com/ So Ra No Wo To wiki], which may have been some kind of inspiration for ours (SRNWT being the original ''speculah'' anime) also only has a spoiler box... and doesn't use it anywhere. Spoiler boxes are also only kind of spoiler tags found on [http://en.touhouwiki.net/ Touhou Wiki] mentioned above and. Wikipedia actually got rid of ''all'' spoiler tags they once had.

tl;dr - I propose on cleaning the wiki of most (or even all) usage of {{spoiler|inline spoiler tag}} and strongly discouraging its use in new content (or even deleting it altogether). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 09:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
: As the one who used Spoiler tags on this page, I'm personally following a "Avoid spoiling major events of the previous two chapters" rule for Kazumi just in case no-one has seen it yet. Once Chapter 5 comes out I'd remove the Pleiades Saint spoilers, for example. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 10:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::Actually, it's possible to put a reference in the spoiler box. It only works with the anime episodes right now, but I'll edit it so that it accepts manga chapters too. Anyway, nothing refrains you of adding a spoiler box at the top of the section/page, which explains what is spoilered. See [[Template:Spoilers]] (subject to change in the following minutes/hours). --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:23, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

:Yeah, I started a discussion going in the same direction on [[Talk:Episode_12#Spoilers|the ep12 talkpage]], which is basically a black page at the moment. I agree with you in that spoilerish paragraphs should be tagged with a box, not with the inline tag. As its name states, the inline tag was at first meant for ... inline spoilers, i.e. words or parts of a sentence that could be spoilerish, and difficult to tag otherwise. Using them for a whole paragraph, or for headers, is just wrong usage. I wouldn't go as far as completely removing this tag, but we sure need clear guidelines regarding its usage. On the aesthetic part, I can try making it white if you find it less visually aggressive (the [[Episode 12]] page isn't really visually pleasant at the moment, I agree). Problem with the white spoiler tag is the opposite as the black one: you miss one more easily. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::Changed the spoiler tags to something TVtropes-like, i.e. white with gray bottom border. Tell me what you think about it. (I didn't find how to hide the links though, "a" and "a:visited" don't seem to work for some reason ...) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Links weren't hidden in the black version, either (though they were barely visible as dark blue on black). For the links, it works when you'll use <code>.inline-spoilers, .inline-spoilers a { color: white !important; } .inline-spoilers:hover { color: black !important; }</code>. However, then the tags won't get un-spoilered on hover, so you'll have to add something like <code>.inline-spoilers:hover a { color: #0645ad !important; }</code> and so on for other link classes (<code>a.stub</code>, <code>a.new</code> and also the visited and active versions, if you care), which is kind of ugly as per design robustness, but... works ;) As for the aesthetics of the white version, it looks great, at least for my tastes :) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 21:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

==Should We Add Kyubey?==
It seems like he is starting to appear more and more in the manga, specially during that critical moment. I suspect Kyubey is plotting something nasty. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 21:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
:I am adding Kyubey. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

==Witches Page==
Have we thought anything regarding the Witches pages? Should those pages be disambiguating or should it contain some spoilers just so is still informative?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
: We should make pages for the Kazumi Witches, but it should be split into two sections, for pseudo-witches and regular Witches. -- [[User: SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 17:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

==Kazumi Vol.1 Changes and Additions!==
Tvtroper Ace Of Scarabs [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=599#14953 has uploaded a few changed and added pages from Kazumi vol.1]. Thanks Ace Of Scarabs! --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

==Kazumi Vol.2==
Might as well ask: Anyone hear anything about this? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:24, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:[http://blog.min.chu.jp/?eid=1243531#sequel Source 1], [http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51296797.html Source 2], [http://i.imgur.com/cup43.jpg Pic 1], [http://i.imgur.com/KMEvF.jpg Pic 2], [http://i.imgur.com/hoCQX.jpg Pic 3] --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:: You are awesome, thank you. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:30, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
::: Pic 1 give me lols. Also has anyone has the sketches in the update Volume 2? -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 02:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

==Vol 2 Short Story?==
So, looking at Hiramatsu's blog, google translate is telling me there was a special edition that had an extra short story sold with volume 2. Anyones have details? [http://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/20/0011/07/97/200011079784.html Source 1] and [http://hirama1002.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-214.html source 2]. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 06:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:"Puella Magi Kazumi Magica Special Edition ~ A Dream-Filled Spoon". A 2-page short story on the reverse side of [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Kazumi_bonus.jpg this] extra art, included with volume 2 when purchased from Toranoana. The story is about Yuuri and Airi's life two years prior to Yuuri's contract. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 00:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, that sounds really interesting (and sad, too). Thank you! I hope somebody has either a summary or a scan of it somewhere online. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 00:39, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

:::I found a short summary of it. It's from a [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/869 series] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/870 of] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/871 2ch] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/872 posts], so they (and my translation of them) might not be entirely reliable or accurate.

:::*The first part of the story is how Yuuri and Airi met. Yuuri cooked a big meal for her whole class, but one of the students complained of food poisoning afterward. Yuuri started staying home from school in shock, until Airi visited her and helped prove that the student was trying to frame Yuuri.

:::*The second part is two years later, after Airi fell ill. Yuuri is attacked by a witch and saved by [[Kazumi|a magical girl with a black hat and cape]]. She asks the girl to cure Airi, but she advises Yuuri to make a contract herself. And then she does, of course.

:::*Also, Yuuri's titular spoon is a souvenir from her appearance on a cooking show hosted by [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c005/17.html Slice Akiyama]. I think.

:::*...also, according to [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1321589325/397 this post], the Incubator accompanying the black magical girl is Kyuubey. You'd think it would be Juubey, but for some reason it's not?

:::[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 01:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
:::: Oh, wow, that is really really interesting. Thank you very much for the summary translations! I'll start adding this information to the relevant pages. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 01:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Chapter 11 of Kazumi implies that the Juubey we see in flashbacks is actually Kyuubey. That's probably why Kyubey is there. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

==Post-Chapter 13 revisions==
So, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=864#21591 spoilers are out], and it looks like Kazumi's page in going to have to be revamped quite a bit with this new information, as well as adding a lot to Saki and Satomi's character pages, as well as updating and changing things on the Pleiades Saints page (and the other Pleiades members' pages, though less so). We're going to be busy when the full translation comes out.

Also, congrats to those fans who guessed that major reveal back in the early stages of the series. It's like predicting Homura being a time traveler by episode one all over again. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 08:29, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

So they revealed she is the 13th clone in the 13th chapter, I dont think that was coincidental. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:/a/non scans even wrote in their script that "Kazumi" can be read as 13, though I personally don't see how. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 11:03, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
::When I try to input 'kazumi' with Japanese IM, I found one of the candidates is '一三'(13). That might be why there is such a suspect. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 11:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Aaah, I get it now, so "kazu" is a popular nanori for 一. It's rather "one-three" than "thirteen", but still, very clever. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 14:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

==Chapter 15 title==
According to [http://hirama1002.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-237.html Hiramatsu's blog], the tentative title of Chapter 15 is "ポチョムサン" (pochomusan). Does anybody know what that could mean? The only thing I found from a Google search is that it's one character away from "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin Potemkin]". --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 00:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

== Implied end coming soon? ==

I have the idea that this series is coming to an end soon. It is parallelling lots of things from the end of Madoka Magica. For example, Kazumi now knows the truth and has the maturity to understand it, Her friends are trying to protect her at the cost of making things worst for Kazumi (especially Saki, who reminds me somehow of Homura. Even [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Production_note_Homura_design.jpg one of Homura´s pre design clothes resembles Saki´s Puella Magi outfit]), Kazumi has an emotional goodbye with the adult she was attached to and now she is going to face the problem, much in the same fashion Madoka did. What do you think? [[User:Sayaka-Miki|Sayaka-Miki]] 19:02, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:As I was reading the summary, this is EXACTLY what came to my mind. I feel like the standoff between Kazumi and the Pleiades will be the big finisher. There will probably be several more revelations tied into the story, too. --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 22:04, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

==SPECULAH: Relation between Kazumi Magica and the Zodiac==

I noticed something major, besides the apparent proximity of Taurus and Gemini to the Pleiades cluster there is a major patter you get from putting every magical girl/witch in chronological order of contribution to the story.

===Mami Tomoe/Candeloro - Capricorn===
Positive Traits

:• Practical and prudent (Get's the job done)
:• Ambitious and disciplined (Kick ass senpai)
:• Patient and careful (We all know what happens when she loses it)
:• Humorous and reserved (She is so cute yet she can't connect)

Negative Traits

:• Pessimistic and fatalistic (Depressive much?)
:• Miserly and grudging (No seriously?)

Capricorn Likes: hot, simple food, antiques, history, duties and responsibilities (Magica girl and mentor to the point of insanity), not being pressured by others, having plenty of unconditional love (Invitation with no exit), lots of personal privacy (Awesome appartment), new books, and expensive gemstones (Flashy as an angel Mami-san).

Capricorn Dislikes: untidiness and disorder of all kinds, being teased (Damn, Tiro Finale it's not funny Kyoko!), surprises (Sup Charlotte?), new ideas (Magical girl are witches my ass!), loneliness (OH YEAH!), being made to feel useless or incompetent (Relying to much on Kaname-san makes me witch out), and being embarrassed in public.

===Kyoko Sakura/Ophelia - Aquarius===
Positive Traits

:• Friendly and humanitarian (True self)
:• Honest and loyal (Same as above)
:• Original and inventive (Cool and funny)
:• Independent and intellectual (Independent is an understatement)

Negative Traits

:• Intractable and contrary (Sour armor to boot)
:• Perverse and unpredictable (Kyoko is plain crazy)
:• Unemotional and detached (Abandonment)

Aquarius Likes: fame and recognition (I am awesome biatch!), personal privacy (Nothing I do is of your business), rainbows, dreams, magic, change for its own sake, eccentricity, surprises, and living within their means despite the many temptations which constantly surround them every waking moment (Oh, come on! Those last are her true self with a nail in the head).

Aquarius Dislikes: emotion and intimacy (Everyone I love dies), people who show off (Especially Sayaka), being taken for granted (Fought Sayaka and Homura), being pinned down, violence and fighting (Inverted for sour armor but straight for true self), and senseless or purposeless extravagance of any sort (SAYAKA!!!). (Also, let's not forget she drowned in death)

===Hungrige Pumpe - Pisces===
Positive Traits

:• Imaginative and sensitive
:• Compassionate and kind
:• Selfless and unworldly (Is there a self on a colony of jellyfish?)
:• Intuitive and sympathetic

Negative Traits

:• Escapist and idealistic (Breaks into familiars and regenerates like a balloon)
:• Secretive and vague (Ancient sea)
:• Weak-willed and easily led (I am a bunch of people)

Pisces Likes: foods of all kinds, romantic places, sunsets over the sea, waterfalls, ponds, poetry, people, mystical settings, candles, incense, freedom to drift along from moment to moment, and their own uninterrupted personal privacy (Her freaking entire barrier was basically that).

Pisces Dislikes:bright, noisy, crowded, popular places and dirty, ugly, garish objects, and the wrong people (Meddling Pleiades and the Incubator blasted everything).

===Yuuri Asuka/Arzt Kochen - Aries===
Positive Traits

:• Adventurous and energetic (I will save you Airi)
:• Pioneering and courageous (Hit the contract button)
:• Enthusiastic and confident (Tried to save sick people with magic until death)
:• Dynamic and quick-witted (Cooking genius)

Negative Traits

:• Selfish and Quick-tempered (Come at me Kyoko!)
:• Foolhardy and daredevil (Blew her Soul Gem due to overuse)
:• Impulsive and impatient (^^Bring it on red-haired bitch!)

Aries Likes: action, challenge, spontaneity, championing causes (Save people to death) and coming in first

Aries Dislikes: waiting, tyranny, failure (Nobody can survive her surgery), lack of opposition and the advice of others

===Airi Anri/Nie Blühen Herzen - Taurus===
Positive Traits

:• Patient and reliable
:• Warmhearted and loving
:• Persistent and determined (Never gonna give you up Asuka)
:• Placid and security loving (Gay for Asuka to the core)

Negative Traits

:• Jealous and possessive (Psycho lesbian much?)
:• Resentful and inflexible (No shit Sherlock)
:• Self-indulgent and greedy (Loved sweets, Asuka and would plow down everything to get her pleasure)

Taurus Likes: permanency, stability, luxury, comfort, pleasure and good food

Taurus Dislikes: disruption, being rushed, being indoors, being pushed too hard and any break in routine

===Ayase/Ruka Souju - Gemini===
Positive Traits

:• Adaptable and versatile (Ice/Fire magic)
:• Communicative and witty (Talks like crazy)
:• Intellectual and eloquent
:• Youthful and lively (Soul Gem addict)

Negative Traits

:• Nervous and tense
:• Superficial and inconsistent (Ax crazy with bipolar disorder/two people on the same body)
:• Cunning and inquisitive (Wants to steal more Soul Gems)

Gemini Likes: talking, novelty, variety, anything unusual and working on multiple projects (fought two enemies at once) at the same time.

Gemini Dislikes: being alone, being in a rut, mental inaction, conventional learning and feeling tied down.

===Nico Kanna/Weiße Königin - Cancer===
Positive Traits

:• Emotional and loving
:• Intuitive and imaginative (She made magitek gadjets)
:• Shrewd and cautious (Never told her wish)
:• Protective and sympathetic (Fought and protected Kazumi)

Negative Traits

:• Changeable and moody
:• Overemotional and touchy
:• Clinging and unable to let go (Guilty as a curse)

Cancer Likes: hobbies, romance, children, parties, home and country (Shoot people in USA).

Cancer Dislikes: failure, opposition (Can't stand being judged and destroy's everyone on sight), aggravating situations, being told what to do and being given advice...whether good or bad.

===Satomi Usagi/????? - Leo===
Positive Traits
:• Generous and warmhearted (Wants to take care of all poor animals)
:• Creative and enthusiastic (Miss sunshine)
:• Broad-minded and expansive
:• Faithful and loving (Sickening sweet when on a good mood)

Negative Traits
:• Pompous and patronizing (Glomps things on a marshmallow hell)
:• Bossy and interfering (Mind control magic and off rails much?)
:• Dogmatic and intolerant (Kazumi is a dirty witch who must die!)

Leo Likes: speculative ventures, lavish living, rich food, children, drama, pageantry and grandeur

Leo Dislikes:doing anything safely, day-to-day living, small-minded people, penny-pinching and mean spiritedness

===Mirai Wakaba - Virgo===
Positive Traits

:• Modest and shy (Before entering the Pleiades)
:• Meticulous and reliable (Made hundreds of handcrafted teddy bears)
:• Practical and diligent
:• Intelligent and analytical

Negative Traits

:• Fussy and a worrier (It's all over her corner of the platonic love triangle)
:• Overcritical and harsh (YOU HURT MY SAKI!!!)
:• Perfectionist and conservative

Virgo Likes: lists, hygiene, order, detail, precision, wholesomeness, health foods and perfection (even in minutiae)

Virgo Dislikes: squalor, uncertainty, health hazards, sloppy workers and anything deemed to be sordid (Thinks of Kazumi as a witch in human clothing)

===Saki Asami/????? - Libra===
Positive Traits

:• Diplomatic and urbane (Leadership traits)
:• Romantic and charming (Marriage proposals and lilys of the valley much?)
:• Easygoing and sociable (Leadership traits)
:• Idealistic and peaceable (Leadership traits)

Negative Traits

:• Indecisive and changeable (Can't kill the clones of my beloved)
:• Gullible and easily influenced (Got mind controlled)
:• Flirtatious and self-indulgent (I love my Michiru, Kazumi's suffering nonwithstanding)

Libra Likes: gentleness, sharing, conviviality and the "finer" things of life

Libra Dislikes: injustice, violence, brutishness, disharmony (Team leader hugs!), quarrels (Get away from Kazumi) and bad manners

===Kanna Hijiri - Scorpio===
Positive Traits

:• Determined and forceful (And how!)
:• Emotional and intuitive (I am not real? F*CK REAL PEOPLE!)
:• Powerful and passionate (Lot's of haxor abilities)
:• Exciting and magnetic (Prone to epicness)

Negative Traits

:• Jealous and resentful (I am not a real person and will kill humanity to be one!)
:• Compulsive and obsessive (That is also an understatement)
:• Secretive and obstinate (Trolled everyone behind the shadows)

Scorpio Likes: strenuous activity, the unraveling of mysteries, winning at any cost (Destruction of humanity much?), being acknowledged the undisputed champion of anything (Will be real when all else dies), and the comfort of their own homes (Her good life was a lie).

Scorpio Dislikes:being analyzed, being asked personal questions, new acquaintance, and having to trust a stranger with anything that they consider important enough to keep secure.

===Conclusion===
This leaves us with two signs left, Ophiuchus and Sagittarius.

I think that those will be respectively Kazumi and Madoka meaning that this series will be revealed as a prequel of sorts.

Talk:Puella Magi Kazumi Magica: The innocent malice

2012-06-25T16:22:02Z

Derp101(2): /* Mami Tomoe/Candeloro - Capricorn */

== Names ==

Is it "Niko" or "Nico"? The scanlations use the latter. -[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Wait. Independent chapters? ==

I'm seeing Chapters One through Three of Kazumi on Mangafox. Yet the first volume is only coming out in May 12th?
I am kinda nob when it comes to manga... so, does "serialization" means that these chapters are coming out in Kirara Forward each month, before they're packed together and released as a volume? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

: Yes. Most manga series are published chapter-by-chapter each week or month in a magazine, with volumes being released whenever a set number of chapters is reached. [[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.100|64.89.144.100]] 20:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

::In that case, should we add each chapter's release date? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

:::I believe a release date along with a summary of the chapters would be in order, with proper spoiler tags of course.

== Runes? ==
I think there is some runic text in Kazumi chapter 1. Anyone have a translation? - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:Do you have a scan or something? Might as well try and translate them, I'm pretty bored anyway. Also, we should probably make a page for them then, [[Runes:Kazumi Magica]] or something. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 14:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:: [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c001/4.html I see them here, but suddenly I'm not sure if they were added there by the scanlators or not.] There ''might'' be some [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c003/5.html here] as well, I'm not sure. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 15:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the first one is obviously added by the scanlator. It reads "scanlated by /a/non for /a/non, raws from [something I couldn't read due to quality]". --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::The mysterious characters on the second one don't look like any recognized runes to me. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::In case you're talking about　"入口は？？", that's japanese. I can't make it quite out, but it should say something like "Entrance this way". --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 16:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::::Oh my. I know enough Japanese to know what 入口 is, but it's such an obfuscated font I'd never tell it's kanji. Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::The last scanlator runeword matches the raw provider name in the watermark in the next page, and it's mixing archaic and modern.
::::: Thank you all very much, sorry for the inconvenience. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Juubey? ==

Where'd you get this from? O.o [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:[[File:Juubey.jpg|200px]]
:It seems that scans leaked on 2ch. [[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 13:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:: Now notice the shadow next to Juubey in the first panel. Juubey may not be an Incubator after all... -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Jubey's definitely an Incubator. The girl on the second page (I forget her name) calls him/her/it "the fairy that made us into puella magi". It seems that Kyubey is present on the first page, though...--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Exactly. Kyubey is a hive mind. Why would he need to talk to himself like that? I think the fact that it's a "fairy" is going to be a major point. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 16:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Even if there's a hive mind, that doesn't mean they can simply telepathically talk or instantly know what another Incubator is up to. Like the Human Interfaces in Haruhi.--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Volume 1 ==
Dumb question: I would imagine that since it's being released the same time as ''Oriko'' it might get lost in the shuffle, but is there anyone who's planning to look through it and see if there are any differences/additions to the original serialized chapters? -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:If someone will upload the scans (raws are fine) of the tankobon somewhere (preferably as some DDL, but torrent is OK, too), then I can do that. But seeing how Kazumi is rather unpopular, I'm not so sure of the scan availability. I don't plan on buying Kazumi myself. Not in the slightest. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 20:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:: Yeah, that's what concerns me. I'd do it myself, if I could get the scans, but...--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::It is? Uh... it's got half a million views in MangaFox, but then again, I guess that doesn't translate in the "Madoka is sold out EVERYWHERE" thing we had with the original manga. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::: It's more that I'm worried Kazumi will be ignored when Oriko comes out. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:::: Well obviously. Slapping the main characters on it = automatic profit. And Kazumi was just getting intresting :/ (well, to most people. I've liked it since the start. Though it might just be because I love Kazumi and real tech mixed with magic (the GPS, Yuuri's SMGs are ''almost'' [[wikipedia:Walther MPL|Walther MPL]]'s, etc.)) --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

:So, now that it's actually out, has there been any mention of changes/additions? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::At least the Soul Gems were redrawn. The Grief Seed probably too, but there's no scan of that page. --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 03:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::[[File:kazumicomparison.jpg|200px]]

== Expansion ==

This is a question that also applies to Oriko. Right now, we have a single page to cover everything in each manga release. Granted, they're nearly not the same scale as Madoka, and one of them is just a medium conversion with few changes. But still, there's more to it than just this.
The most obvious example being a page for Kazumi herself, Umika and Kaoru, and another for the Pleiades Saints. And maybe then think about other stuff. I volunteer to work on it, but I won't be able to until the weekend, university and fencing are keeping me locked up. But that's not really my main question. That would be: should it be done? Okay, this is "Puella Magi wiki", not "Madoka wiki". But given the obviously huge focus on Madoka, and the apparent lack of interest in the spin-offs (so far), is it justifiable? I certainly think so, but I want to hear from you. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I myself am not interested in the spinoffs, but definitely think that ''Kazumi'' at least should get its own set of character pages and the like. My only problem is with ''Oriko'': the current translation of the second volume's synopsis calls it the "concluding" volume, meaning that the series most likely isn't going to have enough content to justify taking up more than one page -- especially considering that any new insight into the anime characters can just be entered onto ''their'' preexisting pages. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 03:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::I support Kazumi pages. Oriko at the very least should get her own page. It's approximately 8 chapters, which is relatively significant. [[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 05:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think it's best to separate manga characterizations from the anime ones. Oriko is described as a spin-off, so events and characterizations may not be considered canon to the anime. We know even the direct adaptation manga has significant differences from the anime. For example, the manga shows Sayaka killing the men on the train whereas Shinbo in the anime chose not to go that route. Either interpretation was acceptable to Urobuchi who left the scenario open to both so neither are technically wrong but it would be confusing and a bit misleading to not clearly state what was in the anime and what was in the manga. This would also apply to the background information on Madoka's characters from Oriko. I'm all for having it included but the source should be clearly stated and preferably categorized so it avoids any confusion. As for Kazumi, as long as the pages stay under the manga section, it sounds fine, just don't want it under the characters page where people might get confused with them and the Madoka anime characters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 05:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

SUGGESTION: Since the character pages all need to be cleaned up a little big in general (speculah about characters should be moved to a new speculah page for characters, for example, and be tagged right/wrong/uncomfirmed), redundant discussions need to be trimmed, etc etc, just add a "in the manga" section to each character page that will, as necessary, detail their involvement in the mangas. Furthermore, I believe that each major manga character (so Kazumi and Oriko, at least) should get their own page on the characters page. Just add a section for manga-only characters.
:The character pages do need clean-up however I don't think Kazumi or any other manga-only characters (like in Oriko) should be included with the Madoka ones. The website is dedicated to Puella Magi (or Mahou Shoujo) Madoka Magica. That means the character pages should really only be dedicated to those characters in the anime. The manga only characters belong in the manga section as something in addition that might interest people, but isn't the main focus or draw to this site. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 07:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::I agree with the sentiment, but why have a wiki for the anime and a wiki for the manga when we could have a single unified wiki that properly identifies what comes from the manga and what comes from the anime? This just seems like it'll split the fanbase between working on a manga wiki and working on an anime wiki... and guess which one will get more attention and which one will be incomplete and barely worked on if that happens? I'm not seeing the harm in adding manga material, as long as it is clearly identified and marked which is what. Not only that, but knowing that the mangas are being produced by the same company, they may reveal things that will fill in the blanks for the anime. If a decision can't be reached by single individuals, though... why not hold a poll?

::Actually, the wiki is called "puella-magi.net" (as opposed to the previous one who was madoka-centered), and the homepage states "(...) as well as any subsequent works.", so like the guy above me (who didn't sign his comment by the way), I think manga characters do have their place here. Why not just add a new row "Manga characters" in the [[Characters]]'s table? (just like Madoka's family and classmates) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Let me see if I can explain my thinking in clearer, more straight-forward fashion. The most logical way I see to fix the issues discussed is for: the manga to have its own subsection (equivalent to setting, products, media etc.) and in that section, each manga would have a separate listing under it. Then, you can break out the manga into a chapters and character page. This is a simple way to solve the issues of growth and also clearly separates what happens in the anime from what happens in the manga. You can also then provide a link from the anime characters pointing to the manga character page(s) to give additional information/discrepancies between what occurred in the anime and manga, but having separate pages makes it easy to see what characteristic was derived from which source.
:::On the other hand, if you'd did it the other way people are suggesting, adding manga-only characters to the character section, it could easily become confusing to someone who is not familiar with both the anime and manga. It's also inconsistent with the format of the section under settings where location, glossary and (of course) episodes are all anime-specific. Then you may open up the can of worms where people start adding manga-only items to location, glossary, etc. If you say well why does any of this matter? It's because there are always discrepancies between "canon anime," "canon manga," and "spin-off manga," that are viewed as different level of authority by fans and it's important to them to know the distinction. Anytime those lines start getting blurred, you'll get a host of questions and arguments that could have been avoided by knowing that X came from this source and Y came from this other source, and OK the first source is canon and the second one isn't. Speaking from the painful experience of seeing this happen many times before with other franchises--well, it's always good to keep source material as clear as possible.
:::One final comment: It only takes one or two dedicated fans to update the wiki on a manga volume and it seems Kazumi has those fans. I don't see why people are concerned it'll get neglected. Even if Kazumi updates are delayed because of Oriko's premiere, that would only be reflecting the fanbase interests and the wiki doing what it's suppose to: providing the info that's most interesting and timely to the fanbase. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 15:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay, I get your point better now, and it makes sense indeed. We just have to be careful to link the pages properly to give the "Manga" part of the wiki the attention it desserves, and to carefully state what should go where. The easiest way to do so would probably be to use a new namespace, "Manga:", for all those pages, right? Also, another advantage I see in your way of separating things is that character pages (as well as others) won't grow any bigger that way. If we merge both the anime and manga info into one page, then it'd grow into a wall of text even bigger than it is now. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::In all seriousness, have you ever seen any wiki related to some fictional work to have many pages about the same character for different media he/she appears in? The only example I am aware of is Asuka from Evangelion on the [http://wiki.evageeks.org EvaGeeks wiki]. Since her name and biography is quite different in the Rebuild movies, they chose to just mention her Rebuild version briefly in the main article ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Langley_Soryu Asuka Langley Soryu]) and make a separate article for the Rebuild character ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Shikinami_Langley Asuka Shikinami Langley]).
:::::But look at [http://wiki.evageeks.org/Shinji_Ikari the page about Shinji]. There are several paragraphs about him in the original series and The End of Eva (treated jointly), and then subsections "in the manga", "in other Eva-base manga", "in Rebuild of Eva". They have no speculah section, but a trivia section titled "Notes", so it kind of evens out ;)
:::::Anyway, the Madoka manga does not really differ ''that'' much from the anime. Even though I kind of outdid myself [[Manga differences|spotting almost every single difference]], most of them are fairly insignificant in terms of character development. Knowing the exact wording of Mami's wish or not? Sayaka killing the men on the train or not? Charlotte looking different in her caterpillar form? Kyubey having facial expression or not? Do they really justify making separate pages for anime and manga versions of every single character? I don't think so.
:::::The only appearance of Madoka character in Kazumi is Kyubey's cameo and Madoka's silhouette as an illustration of a Puella Magi, which are totally insignificant for anything other than noting it. I don't think we'll ever see other anime characters in Kazumi, since it takes place in a different city. And Kazumi isn't in conflict with anime canon in terms of "the laws of the universe".
:::::Oriko will be a different beast, because many of Madoka's main characters are also Oriko's main characters. But even if it will be in direct conflict with the anime canon, I vote for just having an "In other media" section, and then subsections "In ''Madoka'' manga", "In ''Oriko'' manga" etc. We don't have two separate Madokas (or Mamis, Homuras, Kyoukos, Kyubeys), it's the same character. And having many timelines doesn't change it (can you seriously imagine having separate page for eg. Keiichi from Higurashi for every arc?). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::So in the end it all comes down to how much difference there is between sources. If existing characters start changing a lot in one of the series, then they may need a separate page, but not if it's just minor changes/no changes at all, where a single section would be enough ... (note that there isn't much difference between both solution if the pages are linked proprely) Anyway, I have to admit I don't follow any of the manga series, so I'll leave the debate to you guys. Just one last suggestion: why don't we do as usual, i.e. solving problems when they're here? We could just add stuff to the existing pages for now, and start thinking of another organization if it gets too messy in the future right? None of the pages look like they'd need a refactoring in the near future to me, and we still barely know anything about Kazumi/Oriko Magica so it's a bit hard to anticipate at this rate ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, sorry, I saw this discussion as a future direction, e.g. after Oriko and Kazumi's new volumes are out. Right now even the manga pages aren't even half as long as say, Homura's character page. So they're fine as one-pagers at the moment.
::::::Hm, I think you're misunderstanding in thinking there'd be a "Manga Homura" page versus "Anime Homura" page. What I'm proposing is a "Manga Character page" for each manga so for instance, Kazumi would have a page listing all its characters. Madoka and Oriko's manga would provide for anime characters: a blurb description, a link to the anime-specific characters page, then list things unique to that manga. Then for Oriko it would list all the manga-specific characters like the three new girls, witches, etc. This to me is far clearer and easier for users than adding all the manga-only characters in Oriko and Kazumi to the already long list of characters, and then add more sections to the already lengthy anime character pages. I hear you about the wikis with the Eva examples and that makes sense when you normally have brief, general summaries that you can put together where there's consensus, and easily see where there's major differences from different sources. I personally prefer that format for character pages and I'd be for it if things were rolled up in summary format. But I see Madoka's wiki is different with very detailed levels of information for well, everything (like the summary paragraphs of all the manga vs. anime differences...that's not something you normally see on a wiki), and people seemed inclined in only adding and not trimming things back. When things are that detailed, it makes sense to separate out pages to reduce length and confusion. Madoka's manga doesn't have much but if people show as much interest in detailing things for Oriko, those character pages can really get out-of-hand. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::OK, I think I see your point now, and it seems we don't really differ much, if at all ;) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::::<s>Full-blown discussion engaged. Just as keikaku.</s> Don't mind me addressing initial ponderings, I was away all day. First, of course a proper separation is needed. I never in any way doubted that. The issue was "how", not "if", and you handled better than I would have. So, two main lines of thought, so far: a strong separation between anime and manga stuff, or a higher level of interaction, while asserting their differences. I must go with the last one. Character pages for ''at least'' the major manga characters (well... it's not like Madoka follows that rule), "In other media" sections for anime ones, and a "manga characters" section at the Characters page. But I do absolutely agree that the differences in canon must be properly stated. Maybe some sort of header on both saying: (NOTE: It is unclear how canonical the events of the manga editions are towards the anime. Use caution.) Or something of the kind (shorter, of course). As for things getting out of hand... that's what were here for, no? Although I do not believe things will go down that road. If they didn't with the anime (or rather: they did, but we rode through the storm), I find it hard to believe it will happen with Oriko, no matter the popularity. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 23:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Here's a suggestion. Stop me if I'm wrong. Character pages, IMO, should be divided like this:
*Brief Summary, First Appearance
*Personality (Brief Overview)
*History (backstory+role in the anime; this section would clearly point out that a character is NOT from the anime in the case of manga characters)
*In the Manga (information may not be canon; use section to give an overview of what they do in each manga series, if applicable; for example, this would be a good place to note things like 'in the manga, <so and so forth>'s weapon is slightly different' or 'in the manga, <so and so forth> actually kills <unimportant characters on a train>')
*Powers, Weapons & Abilities
*Trivia
*Gallery
*Link to Speculah Page

As it is right now, I won't lie, character pages look like shit. They're full of weird speculah, people have a tendency to use the various fields as mini-forums for discussion (instead of the talk pages), the official info sections are basically heaps of stuff, and the pages are NOT easy to read. Compare this to any other established wiki with dedicated character pages and... yeah, this is definitely a weird way to do it. More to the point: people need to stop using the character pages as discussion forums. They need to use the talk pages for that. If I'm wrong, then I guess it's no use hanging around and offering contributions now and again; I must have some odd, incompatible way of thinking for the people on this wiki.

:Well I agree to the rest we should make a character page. However we don't had much official images of the characters from Kazumi. Like separating the character tablet of Madoka and Kazumi. -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 07:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

::I agree that the character pages need a cleanup, and actually, [[Wishlist|it's in the wishlist]]. I also agree that the speculah section should be a little more formal, and not "I think this ... I disagree with him ...". I don't see a problem with people adding sub-points to a point of speculah, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tsundere/Anime tvtropes-like], but we should just be careful not to turn it into a talkpage (i.e. we should avoid personal opinion and prefer neutral speech for instance). As for the speculah section, if they're written correctly (and maybe cleaned up, like Homura's page), I don't see a reason to move them to another page. Since you're talking about other established wiki, just look at [http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo the Touhou wiki] for instance: there is also a part of speculah on the characters pages, even though it's far smaller than here (I don't think that delirium about Yukari's name is canon, but I may be mistaken). So yeah in conclusion I agree with you, except that I'd leave the speculah on the page if I were you. Also, I'm nitpicking here but I'm not sure "weapons and abilities" need a section on its own. What is there to write, except "Madoka uses a bow and has the ability to throw random stuff when things go downhill"? There's also [[Weapons|a page]] detailing what the weapons are, and so on. tl;dr I agree with your way of doing things, with some minor changes. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 08:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:::'Powers, abilities, etc' could link to the magic/magic speculah/weapon pages for more indepth outlooks. But for example, such a section on Homura's page would list out her shield, how it works (hourglass/one month), the timestopping, etc. The alternative would be to start including manga characters' stuff on those pages, which... risks making them swell and swell.
:Thinking about this again, I'm starting to think we may want to make character pages for ''all'' of the characters, not just the major ones. Whether or not they are "significant", they are still part of the franchise, and the wiki should keep organization even if it means making an article for a character nobody cares about. At least, even a supporting character in, say, ''Kazumi'' would be more important than, say, the Hospital Staff in ''Madoka''. [[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]] 06:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
::I agree. I wasn't sure what the reaction would be, so I just put everything about them in the [[Pleiades Saints]] page. There is just one problem: with the small amount of info we have so far, it'll be impossible to use the new character page setup. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:42, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:::It might be a good idea to just keep them to the [[Pleiades Saints]] page until we get more information, and then give them personal character pages. [[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 19:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to verify if I'm understanding the new proposed structure correctly, regarding the structure of the character breakdown.

Setting - All Anime specific
*Characters - 1) Character Summary Table[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Characters] -> 1.5) Individual Characters pages, now added manga sections ex: [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Homura_Akemi]
*Locations
*Glossary
*Episodes

Manga - Manga specific
*Madoka - 1) Chapters subpage
*Kazumi - 1) Chapters subpage, 2) Manga-specific Characters Summary table -> 2.5) Individual Characters pages
*Oriko - 1) Chapters subpage, 2) Manga-specific Characters Summary table -> 2.5) Individual Characters pages

Is this correct? --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:34, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:A lot of wikis (like the Haruhi Wiki, which I'm currently managing) have two character formats, one for major characters with a format with lots of detailed information, and one for characters we don't know much about and thus have a much more condensed format. Compare [http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Kyon this] (major character) and [http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Sasaki this] (minor character). Obviously this wiki would have a more organized format, but you get what I mean. [[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]] 19:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

:Hmmm We should also update this page http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Characters you know? As I said earlier, we should make another branch of it. Well I hadn't trying it so... -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 09:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

== Spoiler tags ==

I'm posting this in the Kazumi Magica talkpage, but it is not limited to Kazumi, but rather to the whole wiki. Kazumi Magica page can act as an example, and also helps me bring attention, since much of the wiki work now revolves around it ;)

Anyway - I feel the {{spoiler|inline spoiler tag}} is quite overused. I am using ir myself, following the common practice, but I somehow feel this is wrong. I even have a feeling that the inline spoiler tag is not well suited for the structure and character of this wiki. It works quite well on TVtropes, which has a more constant structure of pages, but... have you ever seen something like that on any other wiki? (what's more, our inline spoiler tag being black makes it less visually neat than TVtropes' white tag)

The idea is noble, but it leads to some weird situations. Here on Kazumi Magica page, having "Pleiades Saints" header spoilered, or even entire Chapter 4 summary doesn't look like it is what we've wanted...

I was talking about other established wikis above. The [http://wiki.evageeks.org/ EvaGeeks wiki] has only a spoiler warning box, and even more - uses it just for "recent media" (eg. the Rebuild movies). [http://starwars.wikia.com/ Wookiepedia] doesn't seem to have a spoiler tag ''at all'' (likely due to a line of thought that a wiki of some fictional work is primarily for people familiar with said work - it actually makes sense to me). [http://soranowoto.wikia.com/ So Ra No Wo To wiki], which may have been some kind of inspiration for ours (SRNWT being the original ''speculah'' anime) also only has a spoiler box... and doesn't use it anywhere. Spoiler boxes are also only kind of spoiler tags found on [http://en.touhouwiki.net/ Touhou Wiki] mentioned above and. Wikipedia actually got rid of ''all'' spoiler tags they once had.

tl;dr - I propose on cleaning the wiki of most (or even all) usage of {{spoiler|inline spoiler tag}} and strongly discouraging its use in new content (or even deleting it altogether). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 09:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
: As the one who used Spoiler tags on this page, I'm personally following a "Avoid spoiling major events of the previous two chapters" rule for Kazumi just in case no-one has seen it yet. Once Chapter 5 comes out I'd remove the Pleiades Saint spoilers, for example. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 10:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::Actually, it's possible to put a reference in the spoiler box. It only works with the anime episodes right now, but I'll edit it so that it accepts manga chapters too. Anyway, nothing refrains you of adding a spoiler box at the top of the section/page, which explains what is spoilered. See [[Template:Spoilers]] (subject to change in the following minutes/hours). --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:23, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

:Yeah, I started a discussion going in the same direction on [[Talk:Episode_12#Spoilers|the ep12 talkpage]], which is basically a black page at the moment. I agree with you in that spoilerish paragraphs should be tagged with a box, not with the inline tag. As its name states, the inline tag was at first meant for ... inline spoilers, i.e. words or parts of a sentence that could be spoilerish, and difficult to tag otherwise. Using them for a whole paragraph, or for headers, is just wrong usage. I wouldn't go as far as completely removing this tag, but we sure need clear guidelines regarding its usage. On the aesthetic part, I can try making it white if you find it less visually aggressive (the [[Episode 12]] page isn't really visually pleasant at the moment, I agree). Problem with the white spoiler tag is the opposite as the black one: you miss one more easily. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::Changed the spoiler tags to something TVtropes-like, i.e. white with gray bottom border. Tell me what you think about it. (I didn't find how to hide the links though, "a" and "a:visited" don't seem to work for some reason ...) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Links weren't hidden in the black version, either (though they were barely visible as dark blue on black). For the links, it works when you'll use <code>.inline-spoilers, .inline-spoilers a { color: white !important; } .inline-spoilers:hover { color: black !important; }</code>. However, then the tags won't get un-spoilered on hover, so you'll have to add something like <code>.inline-spoilers:hover a { color: #0645ad !important; }</code> and so on for other link classes (<code>a.stub</code>, <code>a.new</code> and also the visited and active versions, if you care), which is kind of ugly as per design robustness, but... works ;) As for the aesthetics of the white version, it looks great, at least for my tastes :) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 21:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

==Should We Add Kyubey?==
It seems like he is starting to appear more and more in the manga, specially during that critical moment. I suspect Kyubey is plotting something nasty. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 21:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
:I am adding Kyubey. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

==Witches Page==
Have we thought anything regarding the Witches pages? Should those pages be disambiguating or should it contain some spoilers just so is still informative?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
: We should make pages for the Kazumi Witches, but it should be split into two sections, for pseudo-witches and regular Witches. -- [[User: SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 17:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

==Kazumi Vol.1 Changes and Additions!==
Tvtroper Ace Of Scarabs [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=599#14953 has uploaded a few changed and added pages from Kazumi vol.1]. Thanks Ace Of Scarabs! --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

==Kazumi Vol.2==
Might as well ask: Anyone hear anything about this? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:24, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:[http://blog.min.chu.jp/?eid=1243531#sequel Source 1], [http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51296797.html Source 2], [http://i.imgur.com/cup43.jpg Pic 1], [http://i.imgur.com/KMEvF.jpg Pic 2], [http://i.imgur.com/hoCQX.jpg Pic 3] --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:: You are awesome, thank you. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:30, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
::: Pic 1 give me lols. Also has anyone has the sketches in the update Volume 2? -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 02:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

==Vol 2 Short Story?==
So, looking at Hiramatsu's blog, google translate is telling me there was a special edition that had an extra short story sold with volume 2. Anyones have details? [http://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/20/0011/07/97/200011079784.html Source 1] and [http://hirama1002.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-214.html source 2]. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 06:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:"Puella Magi Kazumi Magica Special Edition ~ A Dream-Filled Spoon". A 2-page short story on the reverse side of [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Kazumi_bonus.jpg this] extra art, included with volume 2 when purchased from Toranoana. The story is about Yuuri and Airi's life two years prior to Yuuri's contract. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 00:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, that sounds really interesting (and sad, too). Thank you! I hope somebody has either a summary or a scan of it somewhere online. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 00:39, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

:::I found a short summary of it. It's from a [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/869 series] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/870 of] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/871 2ch] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/872 posts], so they (and my translation of them) might not be entirely reliable or accurate.

:::*The first part of the story is how Yuuri and Airi met. Yuuri cooked a big meal for her whole class, but one of the students complained of food poisoning afterward. Yuuri started staying home from school in shock, until Airi visited her and helped prove that the student was trying to frame Yuuri.

:::*The second part is two years later, after Airi fell ill. Yuuri is attacked by a witch and saved by [[Kazumi|a magical girl with a black hat and cape]]. She asks the girl to cure Airi, but she advises Yuuri to make a contract herself. And then she does, of course.

:::*Also, Yuuri's titular spoon is a souvenir from her appearance on a cooking show hosted by [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c005/17.html Slice Akiyama]. I think.

:::*...also, according to [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1321589325/397 this post], the Incubator accompanying the black magical girl is Kyuubey. You'd think it would be Juubey, but for some reason it's not?

:::[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 01:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
:::: Oh, wow, that is really really interesting. Thank you very much for the summary translations! I'll start adding this information to the relevant pages. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 01:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Chapter 11 of Kazumi implies that the Juubey we see in flashbacks is actually Kyuubey. That's probably why Kyubey is there. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

==Post-Chapter 13 revisions==
So, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=864#21591 spoilers are out], and it looks like Kazumi's page in going to have to be revamped quite a bit with this new information, as well as adding a lot to Saki and Satomi's character pages, as well as updating and changing things on the Pleiades Saints page (and the other Pleiades members' pages, though less so). We're going to be busy when the full translation comes out.

Also, congrats to those fans who guessed that major reveal back in the early stages of the series. It's like predicting Homura being a time traveler by episode one all over again. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 08:29, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

So they revealed she is the 13th clone in the 13th chapter, I dont think that was coincidental. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:/a/non scans even wrote in their script that "Kazumi" can be read as 13, though I personally don't see how. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 11:03, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
::When I try to input 'kazumi' with Japanese IM, I found one of the candidates is '一三'(13). That might be why there is such a suspect. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 11:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Aaah, I get it now, so "kazu" is a popular nanori for 一. It's rather "one-three" than "thirteen", but still, very clever. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 14:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

==Chapter 15 title==
According to [http://hirama1002.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-237.html Hiramatsu's blog], the tentative title of Chapter 15 is "ポチョムサン" (pochomusan). Does anybody know what that could mean? The only thing I found from a Google search is that it's one character away from "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin Potemkin]". --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 00:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

== Implied end coming soon? ==

I have the idea that this series is coming to an end soon. It is parallelling lots of things from the end of Madoka Magica. For example, Kazumi now knows the truth and has the maturity to understand it, Her friends are trying to protect her at the cost of making things worst for Kazumi (especially Saki, who reminds me somehow of Homura. Even [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Production_note_Homura_design.jpg one of Homura´s pre design clothes resembles Saki´s Puella Magi outfit]), Kazumi has an emotional goodbye with the adult she was attached to and now she is going to face the problem, much in the same fashion Madoka did. What do you think? [[User:Sayaka-Miki|Sayaka-Miki]] 19:02, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:As I was reading the summary, this is EXACTLY what came to my mind. I feel like the standoff between Kazumi and the Pleiades will be the big finisher. There will probably be several more revelations tied into the story, too. --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 22:04, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

==SPECULAH: Relation between Kazumi Magica and the Zodiac==

I noticed something major, besides the apparent proximity of Taurus and Gemini to the Pleiades cluster there is a major patter you get from putting every magical girl/witch in chronological order of contribution to the story.

===Mami Tomoe/Candeloro - Capricorn===
Positive Traits

:• Practical and prudent (Get's the job done)
:• Ambitious and disciplined (Kick ass senpai)
:• Patient and careful (We all know what happens when she loses it)
:• Humorous and reserved (She is so cute yet she can't connect)

Negative Traits

:• Pessimistic and fatalistic (Depressive much?)
:• Miserly and grudging (No seriously?)

Capricorn Likes: hot, simple food, antiques, history, duties and responsibilities (Magica girl and mentor to the point of insanity), not being pressured by others, having plenty of unconditional love (Invitation with no exit), lots of personal privacy (Awesome appartment), new books, and expensive gemstones (Flashy as an angel Mami-san).

Capricorn Dislikes: untidiness and disorder of all kinds, being teased (Damn, Tiro Finale it's not funny Kyoko!), surprises (Sup Charlotte?), new ideas (Magical girl are witches my ass!), loneliness (OH YEAH!), being made to feel useless or incompetent (Relying to much on Kaname-san makes me witch out), and being embarrassed in public.

===Kyoko Sakura/Ophelia - Aquarius===
Positive Traits

:• Friendly and humanitarian (True self)
:• Honest and loyal (Same as above)
:• Original and inventive (Cool and funny)
:• Independent and intellectual (Independent is an understatement)

Negative Traits

:• Intractable and contrary (Sour armor to boot)
:• Perverse and unpredictable (Kyoko is plain crazy)
:• Unemotional and detached (Abandonment)

Aquarius Likes : fame and recognition (I am awesome biatch!), personal privacy (Nothing I do is of your business), rainbows, dreams, magic, change for its own sake, eccentricity, surprises, and living within their means despite the many temptations which constantly surround them every waking moment (Oh, come on! Those last are her true self with a nail in the head).

Aquarius Dislikes : emotion and intimacy (Everyone I love dies), people who show off (Especially Sayaka), being taken for granted (Fought Sayaka and Homura), being pinned down, violence and fighting (Inverted for sour armor but straight for true self), and senseless or purposeless extravagance of any sort (SAYAKA!!!). (Also, let's not forget she drowned in death)

===Hungrige Pumpe - Pisces===
Positive Traits

:• Imaginative and sensitive
:• Compassionate and kind
:• Selfless and unworldly (Is there a self on a colony of jellyfish?)
:• Intuitive and sympathetic

Negative Traits

:• Escapist and idealistic (Breaks into familiars and regenerates like a balloon)
:• Secretive and vague (Ancient sea)
:• Weak-willed and easily led (I am a bunch of people)

Pisces Likes: foods of all kinds, romantic places, sunsets over the sea, waterfalls, ponds, poetry, people, mystical settings, candles, incense, freedom to drift along from moment to moment, and their own uninterrupted personal privacy (Her freaking entire barrier was basically that).

Pisces Dislikes:bright, noisy, crowded, popular places and dirty, ugly, garish objects, and the wrong people (Meddling Pleiades and the Incubator blasted everything).

===Yuuri Asuka/Arzt Kochen - Aries===
Positive Traits

:• Adventurous and energetic (I will save you Airi)
:• Pioneering and courageous (Hit the contract button)
:• Enthusiastic and confident (Tried to save sick people with magic until death)
:• Dynamic and quick-witted (Cooking genius)

Negative Traits

:• Selfish and Quick-tempered (Come at me Kyoko!)
:• Foolhardy and daredevil (Blew her Soul Gem due to overuse)
:• Impulsive and impatient (^^Bring it on red-haired bitch!)

Aries Likes: action, challenge, spontaneity, championing causes (Save people to death) and coming in first

Aries Dislikes: waiting, tyranny, failure (Nobody can survive her surgery), lack of opposition and the advice of others

===Airi Anri/Nie Blühen Herzen - Taurus===
Positive Traits

:• Patient and reliable
:• Warmhearted and loving
:• Persistent and determined (Never gonna give you up Asuka)
:• Placid and security loving (Gay for Asuka to the core)

Negative Traits

:• Jealous and possessive (Psycho lesbian much?)
:• Resentful and inflexible (No shit Sherlock)
:• Self-indulgent and greedy (Loved sweets, Asuka and would plow down everything to get her pleasure)

Taurus Likes: permanency, stability, luxury, comfort, pleasure and good food

Taurus Dislikes: disruption, being rushed, being indoors, being pushed too hard and any break in routine

===Ayase/Ruka Souju - Gemini===
Positive Traits

:• Adaptable and versatile (Ice/Fire magic)
:• Communicative and witty (Talks like crazy)
:• Intellectual and eloquent
:• Youthful and lively (Soul Gem addict)

Negative Traits

:• Nervous and tense
:• Superficial and inconsistent (Ax crazy with bipolar disorder/two people on the same body)
:• Cunning and inquisitive (Wants to steal more Soul Gems)

Gemini Likes: talking, novelty, variety, anything unusual and working on multiple projects (fought two enemies at once) at the same time.

Gemini Dislikes: being alone, being in a rut, mental inaction, conventional learning and feeling tied down.

===Nico Kanna/Weiße Königin - Cancer===
Positive Traits

:• Emotional and loving
:• Intuitive and imaginative (She made magitek gadjets)
:• Shrewd and cautious (Never told her wish)
:• Protective and sympathetic (Fought and protected Kazumi)

Negative Traits

:• Changeable and moody
:• Overemotional and touchy
:• Clinging and unable to let go (Guilty as a curse)

Cancer Likes: hobbies, romance, children, parties, home and country (Shoot people in USA).

Cancer Dislikes: failure, opposition (Can't stand being judged and destroy's everyone on sight), aggravating situations, being told what to do and being given advice...whether good or bad.

===Satomi Usagi/????? - Leo===
Positive Traits
:• Generous and warmhearted (Wants to take care of all poor animals)
:• Creative and enthusiastic (Miss sunshine)
:• Broad-minded and expansive
:• Faithful and loving (Sickening sweet when on a good mood)

Negative Traits
:• Pompous and patronizing (Glomps things on a marshmallow hell)
:• Bossy and interfering (Mind control magic and off rails much?)
:• Dogmatic and intolerant (Kazumi is a dirty witch who must die!)

Leo Likes: speculative ventures, lavish living, rich food, children, drama, pageantry and grandeur

Leo Dislikes:doing anything safely, day-to-day living, small-minded people, penny-pinching and mean spiritedness

===Mirai Wakaba - Virgo===
Positive Traits

:• Modest and shy (Before entering the Pleiades)
:• Meticulous and reliable (Made hundreds of handcrafted teddy bears)
:• Practical and diligent
:• Intelligent and analytical

Negative Traits

:• Fussy and a worrier (It's all over her corner of the platonic love triangle)
:• Overcritical and harsh (YOU HURT MY SAKI!!!)
:• Perfectionist and conservative

Virgo Likes: lists, hygiene, order, detail, precision, wholesomeness, health foods and perfection (even in minutiae)

Virgo Dislikes: squalor, uncertainty, health hazards, sloppy workers and anything deemed to be sordid (Thinks of Kazumi as a witch in human clothing)

===Saki Asami/????? - Libra===
Positive Traits

:• Diplomatic and urbane (Leadership traits)
:• Romantic and charming (Marriage proposals and lilys of the valley much?)
:• Easygoing and sociable (Leadership traits)
:• Idealistic and peaceable (Leadership traits)

Negative Traits

:• Indecisive and changeable (Can't kill the clones of my beloved)
:• Gullible and easily influenced (Got mind controlled)
:• Flirtatious and self-indulgent (I love my Michiru, Kazumi's suffering nonwithstanding)

Libra Likes: gentleness, sharing, conviviality and the "finer" things of life

Libra Dislikes: injustice, violence, brutishness, disharmony (Team leader hugs!), quarrels (Get away from Kazumi) and bad manners

===Kanna Hijiri - Scorpio===
Positive Traits

:• Determined and forceful (And how!)
:• Emotional and intuitive (I am not real? F*CK REAL PEOPLE!)
:• Powerful and passionate (Lot's of haxor abilities)
:• Exciting and magnetic (Prone to epicness)

Negative Traits

:• Jealous and resentful (I am not a real person and will kill humanity to be one!)
:• Compulsive and obsessive (That is also an understatement)
:• Secretive and obstinate (Trolled everyone behind the shadows)

Scorpio Likes: strenuous activity, the unraveling of mysteries, winning at any cost (Destruction of humanity much?), being acknowledged the undisputed champion of anything (Will be real when all else dies), and the comfort of their own homes (Her good life was a lie).

Scorpio Dislikes:being analyzed, being asked personal questions, new acquaintance, and having to trust a stranger with anything that they consider important enough to keep secure.

===Conclusion===
This leaves us with two signs left, Ophiuchus and Sagittarius.

I think that those will be respectively Kazumi and Madoka meaning that this series will be revealed as a prequel of sorts.

Talk:Puella Magi Kazumi Magica: The innocent malice

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== Names ==

Is it "Niko" or "Nico"? The scanlations use the latter. -[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

== Wait. Independent chapters? ==

I'm seeing Chapters One through Three of Kazumi on Mangafox. Yet the first volume is only coming out in May 12th?
I am kinda nob when it comes to manga... so, does "serialization" means that these chapters are coming out in Kirara Forward each month, before they're packed together and released as a volume? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

: Yes. Most manga series are published chapter-by-chapter each week or month in a magazine, with volumes being released whenever a set number of chapters is reached. [[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.100|64.89.144.100]] 20:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

::In that case, should we add each chapter's release date? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

:::I believe a release date along with a summary of the chapters would be in order, with proper spoiler tags of course.

== Runes? ==
I think there is some runic text in Kazumi chapter 1. Anyone have a translation? - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:Do you have a scan or something? Might as well try and translate them, I'm pretty bored anyway. Also, we should probably make a page for them then, [[Runes:Kazumi Magica]] or something. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 14:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:: [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c001/4.html I see them here, but suddenly I'm not sure if they were added there by the scanlators or not.] There ''might'' be some [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c003/5.html here] as well, I'm not sure. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 15:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the first one is obviously added by the scanlator. It reads "scanlated by /a/non for /a/non, raws from [something I couldn't read due to quality]". --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::The mysterious characters on the second one don't look like any recognized runes to me. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::In case you're talking about　"入口は？？", that's japanese. I can't make it quite out, but it should say something like "Entrance this way". --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 16:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::::Oh my. I know enough Japanese to know what 入口 is, but it's such an obfuscated font I'd never tell it's kanji. Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::::The last scanlator runeword matches the raw provider name in the watermark in the next page, and it's mixing archaic and modern.
::::: Thank you all very much, sorry for the inconvenience. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

== Juubey? ==

Where'd you get this from? O.o [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:[[File:Juubey.jpg|200px]]
:It seems that scans leaked on 2ch. [[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 13:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:: Now notice the shadow next to Juubey in the first panel. Juubey may not be an Incubator after all... -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Jubey's definitely an Incubator. The girl on the second page (I forget her name) calls him/her/it "the fairy that made us into puella magi". It seems that Kyubey is present on the first page, though...--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
::::Exactly. Kyubey is a hive mind. Why would he need to talk to himself like that? I think the fact that it's a "fairy" is going to be a major point. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 16:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
:::::Even if there's a hive mind, that doesn't mean they can simply telepathically talk or instantly know what another Incubator is up to. Like the Human Interfaces in Haruhi.--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

== Volume 1 ==
Dumb question: I would imagine that since it's being released the same time as ''Oriko'' it might get lost in the shuffle, but is there anyone who's planning to look through it and see if there are any differences/additions to the original serialized chapters? -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:If someone will upload the scans (raws are fine) of the tankobon somewhere (preferably as some DDL, but torrent is OK, too), then I can do that. But seeing how Kazumi is rather unpopular, I'm not so sure of the scan availability. I don't plan on buying Kazumi myself. Not in the slightest. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 20:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:: Yeah, that's what concerns me. I'd do it myself, if I could get the scans, but...--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::It is? Uh... it's got half a million views in MangaFox, but then again, I guess that doesn't translate in the "Madoka is sold out EVERYWHERE" thing we had with the original manga. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
::: It's more that I'm worried Kazumi will be ignored when Oriko comes out. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:::: Well obviously. Slapping the main characters on it = automatic profit. And Kazumi was just getting intresting :/ (well, to most people. I've liked it since the start. Though it might just be because I love Kazumi and real tech mixed with magic (the GPS, Yuuri's SMGs are ''almost'' [[wikipedia:Walther MPL|Walther MPL]]'s, etc.)) --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

:So, now that it's actually out, has there been any mention of changes/additions? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::At least the Soul Gems were redrawn. The Grief Seed probably too, but there's no scan of that page. --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 03:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
::[[File:kazumicomparison.jpg|200px]]

== Expansion ==

This is a question that also applies to Oriko. Right now, we have a single page to cover everything in each manga release. Granted, they're nearly not the same scale as Madoka, and one of them is just a medium conversion with few changes. But still, there's more to it than just this.
The most obvious example being a page for Kazumi herself, Umika and Kaoru, and another for the Pleiades Saints. And maybe then think about other stuff. I volunteer to work on it, but I won't be able to until the weekend, university and fencing are keeping me locked up. But that's not really my main question. That would be: should it be done? Okay, this is "Puella Magi wiki", not "Madoka wiki". But given the obviously huge focus on Madoka, and the apparent lack of interest in the spin-offs (so far), is it justifiable? I certainly think so, but I want to hear from you. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I myself am not interested in the spinoffs, but definitely think that ''Kazumi'' at least should get its own set of character pages and the like. My only problem is with ''Oriko'': the current translation of the second volume's synopsis calls it the "concluding" volume, meaning that the series most likely isn't going to have enough content to justify taking up more than one page -- especially considering that any new insight into the anime characters can just be entered onto ''their'' preexisting pages. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 03:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::I support Kazumi pages. Oriko at the very least should get her own page. It's approximately 8 chapters, which is relatively significant. [[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 05:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:I think it's best to separate manga characterizations from the anime ones. Oriko is described as a spin-off, so events and characterizations may not be considered canon to the anime. We know even the direct adaptation manga has significant differences from the anime. For example, the manga shows Sayaka killing the men on the train whereas Shinbo in the anime chose not to go that route. Either interpretation was acceptable to Urobuchi who left the scenario open to both so neither are technically wrong but it would be confusing and a bit misleading to not clearly state what was in the anime and what was in the manga. This would also apply to the background information on Madoka's characters from Oriko. I'm all for having it included but the source should be clearly stated and preferably categorized so it avoids any confusion. As for Kazumi, as long as the pages stay under the manga section, it sounds fine, just don't want it under the characters page where people might get confused with them and the Madoka anime characters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 05:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

SUGGESTION: Since the character pages all need to be cleaned up a little big in general (speculah about characters should be moved to a new speculah page for characters, for example, and be tagged right/wrong/uncomfirmed), redundant discussions need to be trimmed, etc etc, just add a "in the manga" section to each character page that will, as necessary, detail their involvement in the mangas. Furthermore, I believe that each major manga character (so Kazumi and Oriko, at least) should get their own page on the characters page. Just add a section for manga-only characters.
:The character pages do need clean-up however I don't think Kazumi or any other manga-only characters (like in Oriko) should be included with the Madoka ones. The website is dedicated to Puella Magi (or Mahou Shoujo) Madoka Magica. That means the character pages should really only be dedicated to those characters in the anime. The manga only characters belong in the manga section as something in addition that might interest people, but isn't the main focus or draw to this site. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 07:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::I agree with the sentiment, but why have a wiki for the anime and a wiki for the manga when we could have a single unified wiki that properly identifies what comes from the manga and what comes from the anime? This just seems like it'll split the fanbase between working on a manga wiki and working on an anime wiki... and guess which one will get more attention and which one will be incomplete and barely worked on if that happens? I'm not seeing the harm in adding manga material, as long as it is clearly identified and marked which is what. Not only that, but knowing that the mangas are being produced by the same company, they may reveal things that will fill in the blanks for the anime. If a decision can't be reached by single individuals, though... why not hold a poll?

::Actually, the wiki is called "puella-magi.net" (as opposed to the previous one who was madoka-centered), and the homepage states "(...) as well as any subsequent works.", so like the guy above me (who didn't sign his comment by the way), I think manga characters do have their place here. Why not just add a new row "Manga characters" in the [[Characters]]'s table? (just like Madoka's family and classmates) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Let me see if I can explain my thinking in clearer, more straight-forward fashion. The most logical way I see to fix the issues discussed is for: the manga to have its own subsection (equivalent to setting, products, media etc.) and in that section, each manga would have a separate listing under it. Then, you can break out the manga into a chapters and character page. This is a simple way to solve the issues of growth and also clearly separates what happens in the anime from what happens in the manga. You can also then provide a link from the anime characters pointing to the manga character page(s) to give additional information/discrepancies between what occurred in the anime and manga, but having separate pages makes it easy to see what characteristic was derived from which source.
:::On the other hand, if you'd did it the other way people are suggesting, adding manga-only characters to the character section, it could easily become confusing to someone who is not familiar with both the anime and manga. It's also inconsistent with the format of the section under settings where location, glossary and (of course) episodes are all anime-specific. Then you may open up the can of worms where people start adding manga-only items to location, glossary, etc. If you say well why does any of this matter? It's because there are always discrepancies between "canon anime," "canon manga," and "spin-off manga," that are viewed as different level of authority by fans and it's important to them to know the distinction. Anytime those lines start getting blurred, you'll get a host of questions and arguments that could have been avoided by knowing that X came from this source and Y came from this other source, and OK the first source is canon and the second one isn't. Speaking from the painful experience of seeing this happen many times before with other franchises--well, it's always good to keep source material as clear as possible.
:::One final comment: It only takes one or two dedicated fans to update the wiki on a manga volume and it seems Kazumi has those fans. I don't see why people are concerned it'll get neglected. Even if Kazumi updates are delayed because of Oriko's premiere, that would only be reflecting the fanbase interests and the wiki doing what it's suppose to: providing the info that's most interesting and timely to the fanbase. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 15:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay, I get your point better now, and it makes sense indeed. We just have to be careful to link the pages properly to give the "Manga" part of the wiki the attention it desserves, and to carefully state what should go where. The easiest way to do so would probably be to use a new namespace, "Manga:", for all those pages, right? Also, another advantage I see in your way of separating things is that character pages (as well as others) won't grow any bigger that way. If we merge both the anime and manga info into one page, then it'd grow into a wall of text even bigger than it is now. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::In all seriousness, have you ever seen any wiki related to some fictional work to have many pages about the same character for different media he/she appears in? The only example I am aware of is Asuka from Evangelion on the [http://wiki.evageeks.org EvaGeeks wiki]. Since her name and biography is quite different in the Rebuild movies, they chose to just mention her Rebuild version briefly in the main article ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Langley_Soryu Asuka Langley Soryu]) and make a separate article for the Rebuild character ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Shikinami_Langley Asuka Shikinami Langley]).
:::::But look at [http://wiki.evageeks.org/Shinji_Ikari the page about Shinji]. There are several paragraphs about him in the original series and The End of Eva (treated jointly), and then subsections "in the manga", "in other Eva-base manga", "in Rebuild of Eva". They have no speculah section, but a trivia section titled "Notes", so it kind of evens out ;)
:::::Anyway, the Madoka manga does not really differ ''that'' much from the anime. Even though I kind of outdid myself [[Manga differences|spotting almost every single difference]], most of them are fairly insignificant in terms of character development. Knowing the exact wording of Mami's wish or not? Sayaka killing the men on the train or not? Charlotte looking different in her caterpillar form? Kyubey having facial expression or not? Do they really justify making separate pages for anime and manga versions of every single character? I don't think so.
:::::The only appearance of Madoka character in Kazumi is Kyubey's cameo and Madoka's silhouette as an illustration of a Puella Magi, which are totally insignificant for anything other than noting it. I don't think we'll ever see other anime characters in Kazumi, since it takes place in a different city. And Kazumi isn't in conflict with anime canon in terms of "the laws of the universe".
:::::Oriko will be a different beast, because many of Madoka's main characters are also Oriko's main characters. But even if it will be in direct conflict with the anime canon, I vote for just having an "In other media" section, and then subsections "In ''Madoka'' manga", "In ''Oriko'' manga" etc. We don't have two separate Madokas (or Mamis, Homuras, Kyoukos, Kyubeys), it's the same character. And having many timelines doesn't change it (can you seriously imagine having separate page for eg. Keiichi from Higurashi for every arc?). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::So in the end it all comes down to how much difference there is between sources. If existing characters start changing a lot in one of the series, then they may need a separate page, but not if it's just minor changes/no changes at all, where a single section would be enough ... (note that there isn't much difference between both solution if the pages are linked proprely) Anyway, I have to admit I don't follow any of the manga series, so I'll leave the debate to you guys. Just one last suggestion: why don't we do as usual, i.e. solving problems when they're here? We could just add stuff to the existing pages for now, and start thinking of another organization if it gets too messy in the future right? None of the pages look like they'd need a refactoring in the near future to me, and we still barely know anything about Kazumi/Oriko Magica so it's a bit hard to anticipate at this rate ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, sorry, I saw this discussion as a future direction, e.g. after Oriko and Kazumi's new volumes are out. Right now even the manga pages aren't even half as long as say, Homura's character page. So they're fine as one-pagers at the moment.
::::::Hm, I think you're misunderstanding in thinking there'd be a "Manga Homura" page versus "Anime Homura" page. What I'm proposing is a "Manga Character page" for each manga so for instance, Kazumi would have a page listing all its characters. Madoka and Oriko's manga would provide for anime characters: a blurb description, a link to the anime-specific characters page, then list things unique to that manga. Then for Oriko it would list all the manga-specific characters like the three new girls, witches, etc. This to me is far clearer and easier for users than adding all the manga-only characters in Oriko and Kazumi to the already long list of characters, and then add more sections to the already lengthy anime character pages. I hear you about the wikis with the Eva examples and that makes sense when you normally have brief, general summaries that you can put together where there's consensus, and easily see where there's major differences from different sources. I personally prefer that format for character pages and I'd be for it if things were rolled up in summary format. But I see Madoka's wiki is different with very detailed levels of information for well, everything (like the summary paragraphs of all the manga vs. anime differences...that's not something you normally see on a wiki), and people seemed inclined in only adding and not trimming things back. When things are that detailed, it makes sense to separate out pages to reduce length and confusion. Madoka's manga doesn't have much but if people show as much interest in detailing things for Oriko, those character pages can really get out-of-hand. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::OK, I think I see your point now, and it seems we don't really differ much, if at all ;) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::::<s>Full-blown discussion engaged. Just as keikaku.</s> Don't mind me addressing initial ponderings, I was away all day. First, of course a proper separation is needed. I never in any way doubted that. The issue was "how", not "if", and you handled better than I would have. So, two main lines of thought, so far: a strong separation between anime and manga stuff, or a higher level of interaction, while asserting their differences. I must go with the last one. Character pages for ''at least'' the major manga characters (well... it's not like Madoka follows that rule), "In other media" sections for anime ones, and a "manga characters" section at the Characters page. But I do absolutely agree that the differences in canon must be properly stated. Maybe some sort of header on both saying: (NOTE: It is unclear how canonical the events of the manga editions are towards the anime. Use caution.) Or something of the kind (shorter, of course). As for things getting out of hand... that's what were here for, no? Although I do not believe things will go down that road. If they didn't with the anime (or rather: they did, but we rode through the storm), I find it hard to believe it will happen with Oriko, no matter the popularity. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 23:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Here's a suggestion. Stop me if I'm wrong. Character pages, IMO, should be divided like this:
*Brief Summary, First Appearance
*Personality (Brief Overview)
*History (backstory+role in the anime; this section would clearly point out that a character is NOT from the anime in the case of manga characters)
*In the Manga (information may not be canon; use section to give an overview of what they do in each manga series, if applicable; for example, this would be a good place to note things like 'in the manga, <so and so forth>'s weapon is slightly different' or 'in the manga, <so and so forth> actually kills <unimportant characters on a train>')
*Powers, Weapons & Abilities
*Trivia
*Gallery
*Link to Speculah Page

As it is right now, I won't lie, character pages look like shit. They're full of weird speculah, people have a tendency to use the various fields as mini-forums for discussion (instead of the talk pages), the official info sections are basically heaps of stuff, and the pages are NOT easy to read. Compare this to any other established wiki with dedicated character pages and... yeah, this is definitely a weird way to do it. More to the point: people need to stop using the character pages as discussion forums. They need to use the talk pages for that. If I'm wrong, then I guess it's no use hanging around and offering contributions now and again; I must have some odd, incompatible way of thinking for the people on this wiki.

:Well I agree to the rest we should make a character page. However we don't had much official images of the characters from Kazumi. Like separating the character tablet of Madoka and Kazumi. -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 07:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

::I agree that the character pages need a cleanup, and actually, [[Wishlist|it's in the wishlist]]. I also agree that the speculah section should be a little more formal, and not "I think this ... I disagree with him ...". I don't see a problem with people adding sub-points to a point of speculah, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tsundere/Anime tvtropes-like], but we should just be careful not to turn it into a talkpage (i.e. we should avoid personal opinion and prefer neutral speech for instance). As for the speculah section, if they're written correctly (and maybe cleaned up, like Homura's page), I don't see a reason to move them to another page. Since you're talking about other established wiki, just look at [http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo the Touhou wiki] for instance: there is also a part of speculah on the characters pages, even though it's far smaller than here (I don't think that delirium about Yukari's name is canon, but I may be mistaken). So yeah in conclusion I agree with you, except that I'd leave the speculah on the page if I were you. Also, I'm nitpicking here but I'm not sure "weapons and abilities" need a section on its own. What is there to write, except "Madoka uses a bow and has the ability to throw random stuff when things go downhill"? There's also [[Weapons|a page]] detailing what the weapons are, and so on. tl;dr I agree with your way of doing things, with some minor changes. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 08:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
:::'Powers, abilities, etc' could link to the magic/magic speculah/weapon pages for more indepth outlooks. But for example, such a section on Homura's page would list out her shield, how it works (hourglass/one month), the timestopping, etc. The alternative would be to start including manga characters' stuff on those pages, which... risks making them swell and swell.
:Thinking about this again, I'm starting to think we may want to make character pages for ''all'' of the characters, not just the major ones. Whether or not they are "significant", they are still part of the franchise, and the wiki should keep organization even if it means making an article for a character nobody cares about. At least, even a supporting character in, say, ''Kazumi'' would be more important than, say, the Hospital Staff in ''Madoka''. [[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]] 06:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
::I agree. I wasn't sure what the reaction would be, so I just put everything about them in the [[Pleiades Saints]] page. There is just one problem: with the small amount of info we have so far, it'll be impossible to use the new character page setup. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:42, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:::It might be a good idea to just keep them to the [[Pleiades Saints]] page until we get more information, and then give them personal character pages. [[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 19:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to verify if I'm understanding the new proposed structure correctly, regarding the structure of the character breakdown.

Setting - All Anime specific
*Characters - 1) Character Summary Table[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Characters] -> 1.5) Individual Characters pages, now added manga sections ex: [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Homura_Akemi]
*Locations
*Glossary
*Episodes

Manga - Manga specific
*Madoka - 1) Chapters subpage
*Kazumi - 1) Chapters subpage, 2) Manga-specific Characters Summary table -> 2.5) Individual Characters pages
*Oriko - 1) Chapters subpage, 2) Manga-specific Characters Summary table -> 2.5) Individual Characters pages

Is this correct? --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:34, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
:A lot of wikis (like the Haruhi Wiki, which I'm currently managing) have two character formats, one for major characters with a format with lots of detailed information, and one for characters we don't know much about and thus have a much more condensed format. Compare [http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Kyon this] (major character) and [http://haruhi.wikia.com/wiki/Sasaki this] (minor character). Obviously this wiki would have a more organized format, but you get what I mean. [[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]] 19:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

:Hmmm We should also update this page http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Characters you know? As I said earlier, we should make another branch of it. Well I hadn't trying it so... -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 09:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

== Spoiler tags ==

I'm posting this in the Kazumi Magica talkpage, but it is not limited to Kazumi, but rather to the whole wiki. Kazumi Magica page can act as an example, and also helps me bring attention, since much of the wiki work now revolves around it ;)

Anyway - I feel the {{spoiler|inline spoiler tag}} is quite overused. I am using ir myself, following the common practice, but I somehow feel this is wrong. I even have a feeling that the inline spoiler tag is not well suited for the structure and character of this wiki. It works quite well on TVtropes, which has a more constant structure of pages, but... have you ever seen something like that on any other wiki? (what's more, our inline spoiler tag being black makes it less visually neat than TVtropes' white tag)

The idea is noble, but it leads to some weird situations. Here on Kazumi Magica page, having "Pleiades Saints" header spoilered, or even entire Chapter 4 summary doesn't look like it is what we've wanted...

I was talking about other established wikis above. The [http://wiki.evageeks.org/ EvaGeeks wiki] has only a spoiler warning box, and even more - uses it just for "recent media" (eg. the Rebuild movies). [http://starwars.wikia.com/ Wookiepedia] doesn't seem to have a spoiler tag ''at all'' (likely due to a line of thought that a wiki of some fictional work is primarily for people familiar with said work - it actually makes sense to me). [http://soranowoto.wikia.com/ So Ra No Wo To wiki], which may have been some kind of inspiration for ours (SRNWT being the original ''speculah'' anime) also only has a spoiler box... and doesn't use it anywhere. Spoiler boxes are also only kind of spoiler tags found on [http://en.touhouwiki.net/ Touhou Wiki] mentioned above and. Wikipedia actually got rid of ''all'' spoiler tags they once had.

tl;dr - I propose on cleaning the wiki of most (or even all) usage of {{spoiler|inline spoiler tag}} and strongly discouraging its use in new content (or even deleting it altogether). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 09:13, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
: As the one who used Spoiler tags on this page, I'm personally following a "Avoid spoiling major events of the previous two chapters" rule for Kazumi just in case no-one has seen it yet. Once Chapter 5 comes out I'd remove the Pleiades Saint spoilers, for example. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 10:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::Actually, it's possible to put a reference in the spoiler box. It only works with the anime episodes right now, but I'll edit it so that it accepts manga chapters too. Anyway, nothing refrains you of adding a spoiler box at the top of the section/page, which explains what is spoilered. See [[Template:Spoilers]] (subject to change in the following minutes/hours). --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:23, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

:Yeah, I started a discussion going in the same direction on [[Talk:Episode_12#Spoilers|the ep12 talkpage]], which is basically a black page at the moment. I agree with you in that spoilerish paragraphs should be tagged with a box, not with the inline tag. As its name states, the inline tag was at first meant for ... inline spoilers, i.e. words or parts of a sentence that could be spoilerish, and difficult to tag otherwise. Using them for a whole paragraph, or for headers, is just wrong usage. I wouldn't go as far as completely removing this tag, but we sure need clear guidelines regarding its usage. On the aesthetic part, I can try making it white if you find it less visually aggressive (the [[Episode 12]] page isn't really visually pleasant at the moment, I agree). Problem with the white spoiler tag is the opposite as the black one: you miss one more easily. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

::Changed the spoiler tags to something TVtropes-like, i.e. white with gray bottom border. Tell me what you think about it. (I didn't find how to hide the links though, "a" and "a:visited" don't seem to work for some reason ...) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:27, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Links weren't hidden in the black version, either (though they were barely visible as dark blue on black). For the links, it works when you'll use <code>.inline-spoilers, .inline-spoilers a { color: white !important; } .inline-spoilers:hover { color: black !important; }</code>. However, then the tags won't get un-spoilered on hover, so you'll have to add something like <code>.inline-spoilers:hover a { color: #0645ad !important; }</code> and so on for other link classes (<code>a.stub</code>, <code>a.new</code> and also the visited and active versions, if you care), which is kind of ugly as per design robustness, but... works ;) As for the aesthetics of the white version, it looks great, at least for my tastes :) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 21:02, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

==Should We Add Kyubey?==
It seems like he is starting to appear more and more in the manga, specially during that critical moment. I suspect Kyubey is plotting something nasty. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 21:59, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
:I am adding Kyubey. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:11, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

==Witches Page==
Have we thought anything regarding the Witches pages? Should those pages be disambiguating or should it contain some spoilers just so is still informative?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 19:00, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
: We should make pages for the Kazumi Witches, but it should be split into two sections, for pseudo-witches and regular Witches. -- [[User: SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 17:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

==Kazumi Vol.1 Changes and Additions!==
Tvtroper Ace Of Scarabs [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=599#14953 has uploaded a few changed and added pages from Kazumi vol.1]. Thanks Ace Of Scarabs! --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

==Kazumi Vol.2==
Might as well ask: Anyone hear anything about this? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:24, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:[http://blog.min.chu.jp/?eid=1243531#sequel Source 1], [http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51296797.html Source 2], [http://i.imgur.com/cup43.jpg Pic 1], [http://i.imgur.com/KMEvF.jpg Pic 2], [http://i.imgur.com/hoCQX.jpg Pic 3] --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
:: You are awesome, thank you. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:30, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
::: Pic 1 give me lols. Also has anyone has the sketches in the update Volume 2? -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 02:38, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

==Vol 2 Short Story?==
So, looking at Hiramatsu's blog, google translate is telling me there was a special edition that had an extra short story sold with volume 2. Anyones have details? [http://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/20/0011/07/97/200011079784.html Source 1] and [http://hirama1002.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-214.html source 2]. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 06:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
:"Puella Magi Kazumi Magica Special Edition ~ A Dream-Filled Spoon". A 2-page short story on the reverse side of [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Kazumi_bonus.jpg this] extra art, included with volume 2 when purchased from Toranoana. The story is about Yuuri and Airi's life two years prior to Yuuri's contract. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 00:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, that sounds really interesting (and sad, too). Thank you! I hope somebody has either a summary or a scan of it somewhere online. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 00:39, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

:::I found a short summary of it. It's from a [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/869 series] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/870 of] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/871 2ch] [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1319456549/872 posts], so they (and my translation of them) might not be entirely reliable or accurate.

:::*The first part of the story is how Yuuri and Airi met. Yuuri cooked a big meal for her whole class, but one of the students complained of food poisoning afterward. Yuuri started staying home from school in shock, until Airi visited her and helped prove that the student was trying to frame Yuuri.

:::*The second part is two years later, after Airi fell ill. Yuuri is attacked by a witch and saved by [[Kazumi|a magical girl with a black hat and cape]]. She asks the girl to cure Airi, but she advises Yuuri to make a contract herself. And then she does, of course.

:::*Also, Yuuri's titular spoon is a souvenir from her appearance on a cooking show hosted by [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c005/17.html Slice Akiyama]. I think.

:::*...also, according to [http://logsoku.com/thread/yuzuru.2ch.net/comic/1321589325/397 this post], the Incubator accompanying the black magical girl is Kyuubey. You'd think it would be Juubey, but for some reason it's not?

:::[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 01:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
:::: Oh, wow, that is really really interesting. Thank you very much for the summary translations! I'll start adding this information to the relevant pages. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 01:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Chapter 11 of Kazumi implies that the Juubey we see in flashbacks is actually Kyuubey. That's probably why Kyubey is there. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

==Post-Chapter 13 revisions==
So, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=864#21591 spoilers are out], and it looks like Kazumi's page in going to have to be revamped quite a bit with this new information, as well as adding a lot to Saki and Satomi's character pages, as well as updating and changing things on the Pleiades Saints page (and the other Pleiades members' pages, though less so). We're going to be busy when the full translation comes out.

Also, congrats to those fans who guessed that major reveal back in the early stages of the series. It's like predicting Homura being a time traveler by episode one all over again. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 08:29, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

So they revealed she is the 13th clone in the 13th chapter, I dont think that was coincidental. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:/a/non scans even wrote in their script that "Kazumi" can be read as 13, though I personally don't see how. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 11:03, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
::When I try to input 'kazumi' with Japanese IM, I found one of the candidates is '一三'(13). That might be why there is such a suspect. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 11:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Aaah, I get it now, so "kazu" is a popular nanori for 一. It's rather "one-three" than "thirteen", but still, very clever. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 14:56, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

==Chapter 15 title==
According to [http://hirama1002.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-237.html Hiramatsu's blog], the tentative title of Chapter 15 is "ポチョムサン" (pochomusan). Does anybody know what that could mean? The only thing I found from a Google search is that it's one character away from "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin Potemkin]". --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 00:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

== Implied end coming soon? ==

I have the idea that this series is coming to an end soon. It is parallelling lots of things from the end of Madoka Magica. For example, Kazumi now knows the truth and has the maturity to understand it, Her friends are trying to protect her at the cost of making things worst for Kazumi (especially Saki, who reminds me somehow of Homura. Even [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Production_note_Homura_design.jpg one of Homura´s pre design clothes resembles Saki´s Puella Magi outfit]), Kazumi has an emotional goodbye with the adult she was attached to and now she is going to face the problem, much in the same fashion Madoka did. What do you think? [[User:Sayaka-Miki|Sayaka-Miki]] 19:02, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:As I was reading the summary, this is EXACTLY what came to my mind. I feel like the standoff between Kazumi and the Pleiades will be the big finisher. There will probably be several more revelations tied into the story, too. --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 22:04, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

==SPECULAH: Relation between Kazumi Magica and the Zodiac==

I noticed something major, besides the apparent proximity of Taurus and Gemini to the Pleiades cluster there is a major patter you get from putting every magical girl/witch in chronological order of contribution to the story.

===Mami Tomoe/Candeloro - Capricorn===
Positive Traits

:• Practical and prudent (Get's the job done)
:• Ambitious and disciplined (Kick ass senpai)
:• Patient and careful (We all know what happens when she loses it)
:• Humorous and reserved (She is so cute yet she can't connect)

Negative Traits

:• Pessimistic and fatalistic (Depressive much?)
:• Miserly and grudging (No seriously?)

Capricorn Likes: hot, simple food, antiques, history, duties and responsibilities (Magica girl and mentor to the point of insanity), not being pressured by others, having plenty of unconditional love (Invitation with no exit), lots of personal privacy (Awesome appartment), new books, and expensive gemstones (Flashy as an angel Mami-san).

Capricorn Dislikes:untidiness and disorder of all kinds, being teased (Damn, Tiro Finale it's not funny Kyoko!), surprises (Sup Charlotte?), new ideas (Magical girl are witches my ass!), loneliness (OH YEAH!), being made to feel useless or incompetent (Relying to much on Kaname-san makes me witch out), and being embarrassed in public.

===Kyoko Sakura/Ophelia - Aquarius===
Positive Traits

:• Friendly and humanitarian (True self)
:• Honest and loyal (Same as above)
:• Original and inventive (Cool and funny)
:• Independent and intellectual (Independent is an understatement)

Negative Traits

:• Intractable and contrary (Sour armor to boot)
:• Perverse and unpredictable (Kyoko is plain crazy)
:• Unemotional and detached (Abandonment)

Aquarius Likes : fame and recognition (I am awesome biatch!), personal privacy (Nothing I do is of your business), rainbows, dreams, magic, change for its own sake, eccentricity, surprises, and living within their means despite the many temptations which constantly surround them every waking moment (Oh, come on! Those last are her true self with a nail in the head).

Aquarius Dislikes : emotion and intimacy (Everyone I love dies), people who show off (Especially Sayaka), being taken for granted (Fought Sayaka and Homura), being pinned down, violence and fighting (Inverted for sour armor but straight for true self), and senseless or purposeless extravagance of any sort (SAYAKA!!!). (Also, let's not forget she drowned in death)

===Hungrige Pumpe - Pisces===
Positive Traits

:• Imaginative and sensitive
:• Compassionate and kind
:• Selfless and unworldly (Is there a self on a colony of jellyfish?)
:• Intuitive and sympathetic

Negative Traits

:• Escapist and idealistic (Breaks into familiars and regenerates like a balloon)
:• Secretive and vague (Ancient sea)
:• Weak-willed and easily led (I am a bunch of people)

Pisces Likes: foods of all kinds, romantic places, sunsets over the sea, waterfalls, ponds, poetry, people, mystical settings, candles, incense, freedom to drift along from moment to moment, and their own uninterrupted personal privacy (Her freaking entire barrier was basically that).

Pisces Dislikes:bright, noisy, crowded, popular places and dirty, ugly, garish objects, and the wrong people (Meddling Pleiades and the Incubator blasted everything).

===Yuuri Asuka/Arzt Kochen - Aries===
Positive Traits

:• Adventurous and energetic (I will save you Airi)
:• Pioneering and courageous (Hit the contract button)
:• Enthusiastic and confident (Tried to save sick people with magic until death)
:• Dynamic and quick-witted (Cooking genius)

Negative Traits

:• Selfish and Quick-tempered (Come at me Kyoko!)
:• Foolhardy and daredevil (Blew her Soul Gem due to overuse)
:• Impulsive and impatient (^^Bring it on red-haired bitch!)

Aries Likes: action, challenge, spontaneity, championing causes (Save people to death) and coming in first

Aries Dislikes: waiting, tyranny, failure (Nobody can survive her surgery), lack of opposition and the advice of others

===Airi Anri/Nie Blühen Herzen - Taurus===
Positive Traits

:• Patient and reliable
:• Warmhearted and loving
:• Persistent and determined (Never gonna give you up Asuka)
:• Placid and security loving (Gay for Asuka to the core)

Negative Traits

:• Jealous and possessive (Psycho lesbian much?)
:• Resentful and inflexible (No shit Sherlock)
:• Self-indulgent and greedy (Loved sweets, Asuka and would plow down everything to get her pleasure)

Taurus Likes: permanency, stability, luxury, comfort, pleasure and good food

Taurus Dislikes: disruption, being rushed, being indoors, being pushed too hard and any break in routine

===Ayase/Ruka Souju - Gemini===
Positive Traits

:• Adaptable and versatile (Ice/Fire magic)
:• Communicative and witty (Talks like crazy)
:• Intellectual and eloquent
:• Youthful and lively (Soul Gem addict)

Negative Traits

:• Nervous and tense
:• Superficial and inconsistent (Ax crazy with bipolar disorder/two people on the same body)
:• Cunning and inquisitive (Wants to steal more Soul Gems)

Gemini Likes: talking, novelty, variety, anything unusual and working on multiple projects (fought two enemies at once) at the same time.

Gemini Dislikes: being alone, being in a rut, mental inaction, conventional learning and feeling tied down.

===Nico Kanna/Weiße Königin - Cancer===
Positive Traits

:• Emotional and loving
:• Intuitive and imaginative (She made magitek gadjets)
:• Shrewd and cautious (Never told her wish)
:• Protective and sympathetic (Fought and protected Kazumi)

Negative Traits

:• Changeable and moody
:• Overemotional and touchy
:• Clinging and unable to let go (Guilty as a curse)

Cancer Likes: hobbies, romance, children, parties, home and country (Shoot people in USA).

Cancer Dislikes: failure, opposition (Can't stand being judged and destroy's everyone on sight), aggravating situations, being told what to do and being given advice...whether good or bad.

===Satomi Usagi/????? - Leo===
Positive Traits
:• Generous and warmhearted (Wants to take care of all poor animals)
:• Creative and enthusiastic (Miss sunshine)
:• Broad-minded and expansive
:• Faithful and loving (Sickening sweet when on a good mood)

Negative Traits
:• Pompous and patronizing (Glomps things on a marshmallow hell)
:• Bossy and interfering (Mind control magic and off rails much?)
:• Dogmatic and intolerant (Kazumi is a dirty witch who must die!)

Leo Likes: speculative ventures, lavish living, rich food, children, drama, pageantry and grandeur

Leo Dislikes:doing anything safely, day-to-day living, small-minded people, penny-pinching and mean spiritedness

===Mirai Wakaba - Virgo===
Positive Traits

:• Modest and shy (Before entering the Pleiades)
:• Meticulous and reliable (Made hundreds of handcrafted teddy bears)
:• Practical and diligent
:• Intelligent and analytical

Negative Traits

:• Fussy and a worrier (It's all over her corner of the platonic love triangle)
:• Overcritical and harsh (YOU HURT MY SAKI!!!)
:• Perfectionist and conservative

Virgo Likes: lists, hygiene, order, detail, precision, wholesomeness, health foods and perfection (even in minutiae)

Virgo Dislikes: squalor, uncertainty, health hazards, sloppy workers and anything deemed to be sordid (Thinks of Kazumi as a witch in human clothing)

===Saki Asami/????? - Libra===
Positive Traits

:• Diplomatic and urbane (Leadership traits)
:• Romantic and charming (Marriage proposals and lilys of the valley much?)
:• Easygoing and sociable (Leadership traits)
:• Idealistic and peaceable (Leadership traits)

Negative Traits

:• Indecisive and changeable (Can't kill the clones of my beloved)
:• Gullible and easily influenced (Got mind controlled)
:• Flirtatious and self-indulgent (I love my Michiru, Kazumi's suffering nonwithstanding)

Libra Likes: gentleness, sharing, conviviality and the "finer" things of life

Libra Dislikes: injustice, violence, brutishness, disharmony (Team leader hugs!), quarrels (Get away from Kazumi) and bad manners

===Kanna Hijiri - Scorpio===
Positive Traits

:• Determined and forceful (And how!)
:• Emotional and intuitive (I am not real? F*CK REAL PEOPLE!)
:• Powerful and passionate (Lot's of haxor abilities)
:• Exciting and magnetic (Prone to epicness)

Negative Traits

:• Jealous and resentful (I am not a real person and will kill humanity to be one!)
:• Compulsive and obsessive (That is also an understatement)
:• Secretive and obstinate (Trolled everyone behind the shadows)

Scorpio Likes: strenuous activity, the unraveling of mysteries, winning at any cost (Destruction of humanity much?), being acknowledged the undisputed champion of anything (Will be real when all else dies), and the comfort of their own homes (Her good life was a lie).

Scorpio Dislikes:being analyzed, being asked personal questions, new acquaintance, and having to trust a stranger with anything that they consider important enough to keep secure.

===Conclusion===
This leaves us with two signs left, Ophiuchus and Sagittarius.

I think that those will be respectively Kazumi and Madoka meaning that this series will be revealed as a prequel of sorts.

File talk:Chapter 18 spoilers.jpg

2012-06-24T01:10:03Z

Derp101(2):

Looks like Nico is a little more nuts than she lets on. [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 18:51, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
:No amount of insanity surprises me on this realm anymore. --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 01:10, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

File:Ophelia mark close-up.JPG

2012-06-22T21:15:08Z

Derp101(2): uploaded a new version of "File:Ophelia mark close-up.JPG"

Hitomi Shizuki

2012-06-21T00:41:38Z

Derp101(2): /* Fanart */

{{spoilers|margin=325px}}
<blockquote> ''"But two girls mustn't do such things! That's forbidden love!"'' - Hitomi Shizuki, [[Episode 2]].</blockquote>

{{Infobox_character
|name=Hitomi Shizuki
|image=[[File:Hitomi Chara Sheet.png|300px]]
|jname=志筑仁美（Shizuki Hitomi）
|voices=Japanese: [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=357 Ryouko Shintani] English: [http://myanimelist.net/people/11370/Shelby_Lindley Shelby Lindley] Italian: [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=26265 Debora Morese]
|age=13-14 (estimated)
}}
==Official Info==
* Hitomi is a close friend of Madoka and Sayaka.
* She is a girl who likes piano, classical Japanese dance, tea, and so on.
* She is able to learn a lot
* She is quite rich.
*Hitomi is the class monitor in Madoka's class.

==Trivia==
<blockquote> ''--"Everyone here will die!"'' ''"That's right, all of us will embark on a journey to a better world! Do you understand just how wonderful that is? Our living bodies are holding us back."'' - Madoka Kaname and Hitomi Shizuki, [[Episode 4]]</blockquote>
*The first character in her last name (志) means "purpose" or "will." The last character (筑) means "architecture."
*Her first name is written using a combination of the kanji 仁 (meaning "charity" or "benevolence") and 美 (meaning "beauty").
*She attends after-school classes in Piano, Japanese dance and Tea ceremony, feeling obliged to make time for them even when she might reasonably be expected to focus on her studies.
*In [[Episode 4]], Hitomi was among the persons who got a witch's kiss and were driven into a suicidal trance. She spends her apparition talking about going to a better place and attempting to join the others, who then stage a collective suicide. Madoka manages to save Hitomi and the others by tossing their supplies away, but is swallowed into a the witch [[Elly]]'s barrier and Sayaka, now a Magical Girl, saves her.
*Having noticed Sayaka's crush on Kamijou, Hitomi confronts Sayaka and tells her that she will tell her feelings to him if Sayaka doesn't do it first. This act, unbeknownst to her, contributes to Sayaka's despair. She is still apparently unaware of such a fact in [[Episode 9]], since she tries to ask Madoka if something has happened but Madoka doesn't tell her anything.
*Hitomi did indeed talk to Kyousuke, but in the anime it was a silent conversation, and neither the audience nor Sayaka (who was lurking around) know ''what'' she was telling him. This has raised fan speculation about her intentions: it is possible that she was actually speaking on Sayaka's behalf, telling Kamijou about how Sayaka feels about him instead of about her own feelings. If this ''is'' true, this would make Sayaka's becoming a witch all the more tragic.<ref>Pointed out at [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica TVTropes Wiki]</ref>
*Hitomi and Kyousuke are seen holding each other's hands (with Sayaka standing behind a tree only a few feet away) in the manga, making the above speculation untrue for manga canon. However, this has no reflection whatsoever on the anime canon, as the manga adaptation has already explicitly differed from it. (Note, for example, the two young men whom Sayaka overhears on the train: she ultimately kills them in the manga, whereas Shinbo stated that they lived in the anime. Gen Urobuchi stated in the same interview that the script left the interpretation open to either possibility.)
* According to Kazuko and Junko's conversation in [[Episode 11]], Hitomi took Sayaka's fate (or better said, the little bits that normal people know about it) rather hard. They say "She (Sayaka) was fighting with one of her friends over a boy", and then add "This must be really hard on the other girl, too. Normally it'd just wind up a bittersweet memory, but with this happening..." <ref>From [http://onezerotwo.net/scripts/madomagi-11-final.ass Nutbladder Fansub's version of episode 11].</ref>
* Hitomi is last seen in [[Episode 12]], anxiously waiting behind a stage curtain for Kyousuke who is about to go through a very important music audition.
[[Category:Characters]]
* A good number of Japanese fan art pictures depict her scheming with a somewhat malicious expression on her face, and in some cases having a fixation on punching people in the tummy. This darker, scheming Hitomi can be attributed to a humorous overreaction to how she was unintentionally part of Sayaka's slide into despair. The tummy punching comes from the episode where she was under the influence of a [[Witch's Kiss]], and appeared to punch Madoka in the stomach while stopping her from leaving the warehouse where she planned to commit mass suicide.
*Ryouko Shintani (Hitomi) states in the audio commentary for [[Episode 7]] Blu-ray, that she too loves [[Kyoko]]. She also said although Hitomi looks weak, she is mentally strong, in contrast to Sayaka. Although Sayaka looks bright, she actually has little self confidence, and won't seek help from others by saying it, so she in fact is mentally weak.
**Both Aoi Yuuki and Chiwa Saitou agree her view. Saito thinks that girls like Hitomi are probably the only ones who could be able to get hold happiness for themselves.
* Ryouko Shintani also described Hitomi to be a pretty wicked girl in matters of love, but she also added that Hitomi was a sincere and pure Ojou-sama. Shintani admits that she admires Hitomi's strength and her confidence on herself. She wishes that she could be more like Hitomi.
* Shintani explains that she didn't originally auditioned for the character of Hitomi but since she wasn't good enough for the other roles, she went with Hitomi instead. When asked which characters she wanted to try first for the audition, she asked for Sayaka and Homura.
*According with [[Animedia_2011-05#Shintani_Ryoko_.28Hitomi.29_Data_File|Shintani Ryoko's file data]], she decided to become a seiyuu so she could become [[wikipedia:Sailor_Moon|Sailor Moon]].
*In the Audio Commentary for [[Episode 8]], [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=26469 Junichiro Taniguchi] (Chief Animation Director) states that Hitomi was the hardest character to draw in regards to facial expressions, since she has the largest rate of change, obtaining uniformity was difficult. In contrast, Homura was the easiest to draw, as a cool character she has a lot of outside influence which helps to decide how to draw her facial expressions.

==Hitomi in Oriko Magica==
<blockquote>''"I can't take any more... I'd rather die than remember this..."'' - Hitomi, [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_6:_Someday_isn.27t_today|Puella Magi Oriko Magica, Chapter 6]].</blockquote>
*Hitomi is mentioned in Chapter 3 but does not appear until late chapter 4. Although she is never a candidate to be a Puella Magi, she is still in [[Homura]]'s protection circle.
*In Chapter 5 and 6, she went with [[Sayaka]] to escape the familiars' attack after they get separated from [[Madoka]]. When she saw a dead body, she cried and could not bear any more. But Sayaka then found a door to a safe place where they met [[Madoka]] later.
*In Chapter 7, when the dying [[Oriko]] used her last bits of life {{spoiler|to murder Madoka via impaling her in the chest, Hitomi was seen next to Madoka's blood-covered and lifeless body in the real world, mourning for her death alongside Sayaka.}}

==Gallery==
=== Official art ===
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:Heightchart.jpg|Official height chart. Hitomi is the tallest girl.
</gallery>

=== Screenshots ===
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:Madoka_ Sayaka_Hitomi.gif|Hitomi & friends
File:Hitomi shocked.jpg|
File:Hitomi shizuki 20092.jpg|
File:Hitomisayaka.png|
File:Madoka7.jpg|
File:Xp1lhs.jpg|
File:Madoka-1-14.jpg|
File:Hitomi tummy punch.gif|Hitomi tummy punch
File:Height of 3girls 2.jpg|The last peaceful time of the 3 girls
File:Hitomi choking.gif|Hitomi choking
File:Hitomi Embarassed.gif|Hitomi Embarassed
File:Madoka_Sayaka_Hitomi_playing.gif|Madoka Sayaka Hitomi playing
File:Mahou-shoujo-madoka-magika-04-at-17-41.jpg
File:Madokamagica04_208.jpg
File:Madokamagica07_266.jpg
File:Madokamagica01_251.jpg
File:Madokamagica05_027.jpg
File:Hira080966.jpg|Sayaka and Hitomi's confrontation in the PSP game
</gallery>

===Fanart===
{{fanart}}
<gallery>
File:(Ka-9) Right back at you.jpg|
File:Himoti going overseas.jpg|
File:Hitomi thriller.jpg|
File:Hitomi The Scream.png|
File:Hitomi2.jpg|In-universe, it should be noted that Hitomi is a stand-out in looks
File:Threefriends.jpg|
File:Hitomishampoo puella.png|
File:Hitomismiling fanart.png|
File:Punchpunch uhoh.png
File:Hitomi what a witch.jpg|Way to ruin the moment, Hitomi.
File:Hitomi becomes a Puella Magi.png|Hitomi becomes a Puella Magi
File:Hitomi vs sayaka win fanart.jpg
File:Hitomi fanart puella magi.jpg
File:700325.jpg
File:655747.jpg
File:487364.jpg
File:489608.jpg
File:481961.jpg
File:Girls cant love girls.jpg|[http://5everpandering.tumblr.com/post/17414181724/girls-cant-love-girls Girls cant love girls!]
File:But girls can't love girls.jpg
File:Hitomi glasses moe.jpg
File:Hitomi My New Boyfriend!.jpg
File:Tt.jpg|Alright bitches time to become a main character!
File:Puella magi Hellsing.png|Come at me priest of justice!
File:Mermaid or Lamia.png|And our hero(?) has to make a hard choice between whose witch he should go out with.
File:Holy Shit Hitomi.png|Kyubey... I WISH TO PUNCH GOD ON THE STOMACH!
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

Hitomi Shizuki

2012-06-21T00:41:21Z

Derp101(2): /* Fanart */

{{spoilers|margin=325px}}
<blockquote> ''"But two girls mustn't do such things! That's forbidden love!"'' - Hitomi Shizuki, [[Episode 2]].</blockquote>

{{Infobox_character
|name=Hitomi Shizuki
|image=[[File:Hitomi Chara Sheet.png|300px]]
|jname=志筑仁美（Shizuki Hitomi）
|voices=Japanese: [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=357 Ryouko Shintani] English: [http://myanimelist.net/people/11370/Shelby_Lindley Shelby Lindley] Italian: [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=26265 Debora Morese]
|age=13-14 (estimated)
}}
==Official Info==
* Hitomi is a close friend of Madoka and Sayaka.
* She is a girl who likes piano, classical Japanese dance, tea, and so on.
* She is able to learn a lot
* She is quite rich.
*Hitomi is the class monitor in Madoka's class.

==Trivia==
<blockquote> ''--"Everyone here will die!"'' ''"That's right, all of us will embark on a journey to a better world! Do you understand just how wonderful that is? Our living bodies are holding us back."'' - Madoka Kaname and Hitomi Shizuki, [[Episode 4]]</blockquote>
*The first character in her last name (志) means "purpose" or "will." The last character (筑) means "architecture."
*Her first name is written using a combination of the kanji 仁 (meaning "charity" or "benevolence") and 美 (meaning "beauty").
*She attends after-school classes in Piano, Japanese dance and Tea ceremony, feeling obliged to make time for them even when she might reasonably be expected to focus on her studies.
*In [[Episode 4]], Hitomi was among the persons who got a witch's kiss and were driven into a suicidal trance. She spends her apparition talking about going to a better place and attempting to join the others, who then stage a collective suicide. Madoka manages to save Hitomi and the others by tossing their supplies away, but is swallowed into a the witch [[Elly]]'s barrier and Sayaka, now a Magical Girl, saves her.
*Having noticed Sayaka's crush on Kamijou, Hitomi confronts Sayaka and tells her that she will tell her feelings to him if Sayaka doesn't do it first. This act, unbeknownst to her, contributes to Sayaka's despair. She is still apparently unaware of such a fact in [[Episode 9]], since she tries to ask Madoka if something has happened but Madoka doesn't tell her anything.
*Hitomi did indeed talk to Kyousuke, but in the anime it was a silent conversation, and neither the audience nor Sayaka (who was lurking around) know ''what'' she was telling him. This has raised fan speculation about her intentions: it is possible that she was actually speaking on Sayaka's behalf, telling Kamijou about how Sayaka feels about him instead of about her own feelings. If this ''is'' true, this would make Sayaka's becoming a witch all the more tragic.<ref>Pointed out at [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica TVTropes Wiki]</ref>
*Hitomi and Kyousuke are seen holding each other's hands (with Sayaka standing behind a tree only a few feet away) in the manga, making the above speculation untrue for manga canon. However, this has no reflection whatsoever on the anime canon, as the manga adaptation has already explicitly differed from it. (Note, for example, the two young men whom Sayaka overhears on the train: she ultimately kills them in the manga, whereas Shinbo stated that they lived in the anime. Gen Urobuchi stated in the same interview that the script left the interpretation open to either possibility.)
* According to Kazuko and Junko's conversation in [[Episode 11]], Hitomi took Sayaka's fate (or better said, the little bits that normal people know about it) rather hard. They say "She (Sayaka) was fighting with one of her friends over a boy", and then add "This must be really hard on the other girl, too. Normally it'd just wind up a bittersweet memory, but with this happening..." <ref>From [http://onezerotwo.net/scripts/madomagi-11-final.ass Nutbladder Fansub's version of episode 11].</ref>
* Hitomi is last seen in [[Episode 12]], anxiously waiting behind a stage curtain for Kyousuke who is about to go through a very important music audition.
[[Category:Characters]]
* A good number of Japanese fan art pictures depict her scheming with a somewhat malicious expression on her face, and in some cases having a fixation on punching people in the tummy. This darker, scheming Hitomi can be attributed to a humorous overreaction to how she was unintentionally part of Sayaka's slide into despair. The tummy punching comes from the episode where she was under the influence of a [[Witch's Kiss]], and appeared to punch Madoka in the stomach while stopping her from leaving the warehouse where she planned to commit mass suicide.
*Ryouko Shintani (Hitomi) states in the audio commentary for [[Episode 7]] Blu-ray, that she too loves [[Kyoko]]. She also said although Hitomi looks weak, she is mentally strong, in contrast to Sayaka. Although Sayaka looks bright, she actually has little self confidence, and won't seek help from others by saying it, so she in fact is mentally weak.
**Both Aoi Yuuki and Chiwa Saitou agree her view. Saito thinks that girls like Hitomi are probably the only ones who could be able to get hold happiness for themselves.
* Ryouko Shintani also described Hitomi to be a pretty wicked girl in matters of love, but she also added that Hitomi was a sincere and pure Ojou-sama. Shintani admits that she admires Hitomi's strength and her confidence on herself. She wishes that she could be more like Hitomi.
* Shintani explains that she didn't originally auditioned for the character of Hitomi but since she wasn't good enough for the other roles, she went with Hitomi instead. When asked which characters she wanted to try first for the audition, she asked for Sayaka and Homura.
*According with [[Animedia_2011-05#Shintani_Ryoko_.28Hitomi.29_Data_File|Shintani Ryoko's file data]], she decided to become a seiyuu so she could become [[wikipedia:Sailor_Moon|Sailor Moon]].
*In the Audio Commentary for [[Episode 8]], [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=26469 Junichiro Taniguchi] (Chief Animation Director) states that Hitomi was the hardest character to draw in regards to facial expressions, since she has the largest rate of change, obtaining uniformity was difficult. In contrast, Homura was the easiest to draw, as a cool character she has a lot of outside influence which helps to decide how to draw her facial expressions.

==Hitomi in Oriko Magica==
<blockquote>''"I can't take any more... I'd rather die than remember this..."'' - Hitomi, [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_6:_Someday_isn.27t_today|Puella Magi Oriko Magica, Chapter 6]].</blockquote>
*Hitomi is mentioned in Chapter 3 but does not appear until late chapter 4. Although she is never a candidate to be a Puella Magi, she is still in [[Homura]]'s protection circle.
*In Chapter 5 and 6, she went with [[Sayaka]] to escape the familiars' attack after they get separated from [[Madoka]]. When she saw a dead body, she cried and could not bear any more. But Sayaka then found a door to a safe place where they met [[Madoka]] later.
*In Chapter 7, when the dying [[Oriko]] used her last bits of life {{spoiler|to murder Madoka via impaling her in the chest, Hitomi was seen next to Madoka's blood-covered and lifeless body in the real world, mourning for her death alongside Sayaka.}}

==Gallery==
=== Official art ===
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:Heightchart.jpg|Official height chart. Hitomi is the tallest girl.
</gallery>

=== Screenshots ===
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:Madoka_ Sayaka_Hitomi.gif|Hitomi & friends
File:Hitomi shocked.jpg|
File:Hitomi shizuki 20092.jpg|
File:Hitomisayaka.png|
File:Madoka7.jpg|
File:Xp1lhs.jpg|
File:Madoka-1-14.jpg|
File:Hitomi tummy punch.gif|Hitomi tummy punch
File:Height of 3girls 2.jpg|The last peaceful time of the 3 girls
File:Hitomi choking.gif|Hitomi choking
File:Hitomi Embarassed.gif|Hitomi Embarassed
File:Madoka_Sayaka_Hitomi_playing.gif|Madoka Sayaka Hitomi playing
File:Mahou-shoujo-madoka-magika-04-at-17-41.jpg
File:Madokamagica04_208.jpg
File:Madokamagica07_266.jpg
File:Madokamagica01_251.jpg
File:Madokamagica05_027.jpg
File:Hira080966.jpg|Sayaka and Hitomi's confrontation in the PSP game
</gallery>

===Fanart===
{{fanart}}
<gallery>
File:(Ka-9) Right back at you.jpg|
File:Himoti going overseas.jpg|
File:Hitomi thriller.jpg|
File:Hitomi The Scream.png|
File:Hitomi2.jpg|In-universe, it should be noted that Hitomi is a stand-out in looks
File:Threefriends.jpg|
File:Hitomishampoo puella.png|
File:Hitomismiling fanart.png|
File:Punchpunch uhoh.png
File:Hitomi what a witch.jpg|Way to ruin the moment, Hitomi.
File:Hitomi becomes a Puella Magi.png|Hitomi becomes a Puella Magi
File:Hitomi vs sayaka win fanart.jpg
File:Hitomi fanart puella magi.jpg
File:700325.jpg
File:655747.jpg
File:487364.jpg
File:489608.jpg
File:481961.jpg
File:Girls cant love girls.jpg|[http://5everpandering.tumblr.com/post/17414181724/girls-cant-love-girls Girls cant love girls!]
File:But girls can't love girls.jpg
File:Hitomi glasses moe.jpg
File:Hitomi My New Boyfriend!.jpg
File:Tt.jpg|Alright bitches time to become a main character!
File:Puella magi Hellsing.png|Come at me priest of justice!
File:Mermaid or Lamia.png|And hero(?) has to make a hard choice between whose witch he should go out with.
File:Holy Shit Hitomi.png|Kyubey... I WISH TO PUNCH GOD ON THE STOMACH!
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

Hitomi Shizuki

2012-06-21T00:40:57Z

Derp101(2): /* Fanart */

{{spoilers|margin=325px}}
<blockquote> ''"But two girls mustn't do such things! That's forbidden love!"'' - Hitomi Shizuki, [[Episode 2]].</blockquote>

{{Infobox_character
|name=Hitomi Shizuki
|image=[[File:Hitomi Chara Sheet.png|300px]]
|jname=志筑仁美（Shizuki Hitomi）
|voices=Japanese: [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=357 Ryouko Shintani] English: [http://myanimelist.net/people/11370/Shelby_Lindley Shelby Lindley] Italian: [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=26265 Debora Morese]
|age=13-14 (estimated)
}}
==Official Info==
* Hitomi is a close friend of Madoka and Sayaka.
* She is a girl who likes piano, classical Japanese dance, tea, and so on.
* She is able to learn a lot
* She is quite rich.
*Hitomi is the class monitor in Madoka's class.

==Trivia==
<blockquote> ''--"Everyone here will die!"'' ''"That's right, all of us will embark on a journey to a better world! Do you understand just how wonderful that is? Our living bodies are holding us back."'' - Madoka Kaname and Hitomi Shizuki, [[Episode 4]]</blockquote>
*The first character in her last name (志) means "purpose" or "will." The last character (筑) means "architecture."
*Her first name is written using a combination of the kanji 仁 (meaning "charity" or "benevolence") and 美 (meaning "beauty").
*She attends after-school classes in Piano, Japanese dance and Tea ceremony, feeling obliged to make time for them even when she might reasonably be expected to focus on her studies.
*In [[Episode 4]], Hitomi was among the persons who got a witch's kiss and were driven into a suicidal trance. She spends her apparition talking about going to a better place and attempting to join the others, who then stage a collective suicide. Madoka manages to save Hitomi and the others by tossing their supplies away, but is swallowed into a the witch [[Elly]]'s barrier and Sayaka, now a Magical Girl, saves her.
*Having noticed Sayaka's crush on Kamijou, Hitomi confronts Sayaka and tells her that she will tell her feelings to him if Sayaka doesn't do it first. This act, unbeknownst to her, contributes to Sayaka's despair. She is still apparently unaware of such a fact in [[Episode 9]], since she tries to ask Madoka if something has happened but Madoka doesn't tell her anything.
*Hitomi did indeed talk to Kyousuke, but in the anime it was a silent conversation, and neither the audience nor Sayaka (who was lurking around) know ''what'' she was telling him. This has raised fan speculation about her intentions: it is possible that she was actually speaking on Sayaka's behalf, telling Kamijou about how Sayaka feels about him instead of about her own feelings. If this ''is'' true, this would make Sayaka's becoming a witch all the more tragic.<ref>Pointed out at [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica TVTropes Wiki]</ref>
*Hitomi and Kyousuke are seen holding each other's hands (with Sayaka standing behind a tree only a few feet away) in the manga, making the above speculation untrue for manga canon. However, this has no reflection whatsoever on the anime canon, as the manga adaptation has already explicitly differed from it. (Note, for example, the two young men whom Sayaka overhears on the train: she ultimately kills them in the manga, whereas Shinbo stated that they lived in the anime. Gen Urobuchi stated in the same interview that the script left the interpretation open to either possibility.)
* According to Kazuko and Junko's conversation in [[Episode 11]], Hitomi took Sayaka's fate (or better said, the little bits that normal people know about it) rather hard. They say "She (Sayaka) was fighting with one of her friends over a boy", and then add "This must be really hard on the other girl, too. Normally it'd just wind up a bittersweet memory, but with this happening..." <ref>From [http://onezerotwo.net/scripts/madomagi-11-final.ass Nutbladder Fansub's version of episode 11].</ref>
* Hitomi is last seen in [[Episode 12]], anxiously waiting behind a stage curtain for Kyousuke who is about to go through a very important music audition.
[[Category:Characters]]
* A good number of Japanese fan art pictures depict her scheming with a somewhat malicious expression on her face, and in some cases having a fixation on punching people in the tummy. This darker, scheming Hitomi can be attributed to a humorous overreaction to how she was unintentionally part of Sayaka's slide into despair. The tummy punching comes from the episode where she was under the influence of a [[Witch's Kiss]], and appeared to punch Madoka in the stomach while stopping her from leaving the warehouse where she planned to commit mass suicide.
*Ryouko Shintani (Hitomi) states in the audio commentary for [[Episode 7]] Blu-ray, that she too loves [[Kyoko]]. She also said although Hitomi looks weak, she is mentally strong, in contrast to Sayaka. Although Sayaka looks bright, she actually has little self confidence, and won't seek help from others by saying it, so she in fact is mentally weak.
**Both Aoi Yuuki and Chiwa Saitou agree her view. Saito thinks that girls like Hitomi are probably the only ones who could be able to get hold happiness for themselves.
* Ryouko Shintani also described Hitomi to be a pretty wicked girl in matters of love, but she also added that Hitomi was a sincere and pure Ojou-sama. Shintani admits that she admires Hitomi's strength and her confidence on herself. She wishes that she could be more like Hitomi.
* Shintani explains that she didn't originally auditioned for the character of Hitomi but since she wasn't good enough for the other roles, she went with Hitomi instead. When asked which characters she wanted to try first for the audition, she asked for Sayaka and Homura.
*According with [[Animedia_2011-05#Shintani_Ryoko_.28Hitomi.29_Data_File|Shintani Ryoko's file data]], she decided to become a seiyuu so she could become [[wikipedia:Sailor_Moon|Sailor Moon]].
*In the Audio Commentary for [[Episode 8]], [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=26469 Junichiro Taniguchi] (Chief Animation Director) states that Hitomi was the hardest character to draw in regards to facial expressions, since she has the largest rate of change, obtaining uniformity was difficult. In contrast, Homura was the easiest to draw, as a cool character she has a lot of outside influence which helps to decide how to draw her facial expressions.

==Hitomi in Oriko Magica==
<blockquote>''"I can't take any more... I'd rather die than remember this..."'' - Hitomi, [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_6:_Someday_isn.27t_today|Puella Magi Oriko Magica, Chapter 6]].</blockquote>
*Hitomi is mentioned in Chapter 3 but does not appear until late chapter 4. Although she is never a candidate to be a Puella Magi, she is still in [[Homura]]'s protection circle.
*In Chapter 5 and 6, she went with [[Sayaka]] to escape the familiars' attack after they get separated from [[Madoka]]. When she saw a dead body, she cried and could not bear any more. But Sayaka then found a door to a safe place where they met [[Madoka]] later.
*In Chapter 7, when the dying [[Oriko]] used her last bits of life {{spoiler|to murder Madoka via impaling her in the chest, Hitomi was seen next to Madoka's blood-covered and lifeless body in the real world, mourning for her death alongside Sayaka.}}

==Gallery==
=== Official art ===
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:Heightchart.jpg|Official height chart. Hitomi is the tallest girl.
</gallery>

=== Screenshots ===
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:Madoka_ Sayaka_Hitomi.gif|Hitomi & friends
File:Hitomi shocked.jpg|
File:Hitomi shizuki 20092.jpg|
File:Hitomisayaka.png|
File:Madoka7.jpg|
File:Xp1lhs.jpg|
File:Madoka-1-14.jpg|
File:Hitomi tummy punch.gif|Hitomi tummy punch
File:Height of 3girls 2.jpg|The last peaceful time of the 3 girls
File:Hitomi choking.gif|Hitomi choking
File:Hitomi Embarassed.gif|Hitomi Embarassed
File:Madoka_Sayaka_Hitomi_playing.gif|Madoka Sayaka Hitomi playing
File:Mahou-shoujo-madoka-magika-04-at-17-41.jpg
File:Madokamagica04_208.jpg
File:Madokamagica07_266.jpg
File:Madokamagica01_251.jpg
File:Madokamagica05_027.jpg
File:Hira080966.jpg|Sayaka and Hitomi's confrontation in the PSP game
</gallery>

===Fanart===
{{fanart}}
<gallery>
File:(Ka-9) Right back at you.jpg|
File:Himoti going overseas.jpg|
File:Hitomi thriller.jpg|
File:Hitomi The Scream.png|
File:Hitomi2.jpg|In-universe, it should be noted that Hitomi is a stand-out in looks
File:Threefriends.jpg|
File:Hitomishampoo puella.png|
File:Hitomismiling fanart.png|
File:Punchpunch uhoh.png
File:Hitomi what a witch.jpg|Way to ruin the moment, Hitomi.
File:Hitomi becomes a Puella Magi.png|Hitomi becomes a Puella Magi
File:Hitomi vs sayaka win fanart.jpg
File:Hitomi fanart puella magi.jpg
File:700325.jpg
File:655747.jpg
File:487364.jpg
File:489608.jpg
File:481961.jpg
File:Girls cant love girls.jpg|[http://5everpandering.tumblr.com/post/17414181724/girls-cant-love-girls Girls cant love girls!]
File:But girls can't love girls.jpg
File:Hitomi glasses moe.jpg
File:Hitomi My New Boyfriend!.jpg
File:Tt.jpg|Alright bitches time to become a main character!
File:Puella magi Hellsing.png:|Come at me priest of justice!
File:Mermaid or Lamia.png|And hero(?) has to make a hard choice between whose witch he should go out with.
File:Holy Shit Hitomi.png|Kyubey... I WISH TO PUNCH GOD ON THE STOMACH!
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

Madoka Magica Episode 3: I'm Not Afraid of Anything Anymore

2012-06-21T00:29:38Z

Derp101(2): /* Fanart Reaction to Mami Losing her Head */

<blockquote>
''"I feel light."'' 
''"It's the first time I've been this happy while fighting."'' ''"I'm not scared of anything anymore."'' 
''"I'm not alone anymore."'' ~ Mami Tomoe.
</blockquote>

{{Infobox_episode
|name = I'm Not Afraid Of Anything Anymore
|jname = もう何も怖くない
|date = 20 January 2011 
|script = Gen Urobuchi
|storyboard = Yoshiharu Ashino
|director = Yuki Yase
|adirector = Tomohiro Kamitani Kazuya Shiotsuki
}}

== Summary ==
[[File:BD_2_Scan_2.jpg|260px|right]]
[[File:Charlotte_initialform.jpg|260px|right]]
[[Sayaka]] visits a hospitalized boy named [[Kyousuke Kamijou]], who was a violin player she admired when she was little, but then suffered a serious injury in his wrist, preventing him from playing. They listen to classical music together rather happily, but then Kamijou starts crying quietly.

After another witch hunt in which she defeated a [[familiar]], [[Suleika#Ulla (ULLA)|Ulla]], [[Mami]] tells [[Madoka]] and Sayaka that she was involved in a deadly traffic accident and didn't have time to think about her wish. She also warns Sayaka to be aware of her true intentions while wishing for other people's sakes, and recalls that the precedent she knows is not a happy one. Later that night, as Madoka helps her drunk [[Junko Kaname|mother]] to bed and talks with her [[Tomohisa Kaname|father]], Mami is approached by [[Homura]], who warns her about making Madoka a magical girl.

The next day, whilst visiting the hospital, Madoka and Sayaka find a [[Grief Seed]] that is close to activating. Madoka goes in search of Mami, whilst Sayaka and Kyubey remain near the seed and are engulfed by the forming [[barrier]]. Madoka soon returns with Mami, but as they enter the barrier, Homura confronts them and tries to warn Mami about the witch she intends to face. Mami ignores her and places her in a bind to stop her from following them. As they continue, Madoka mentions her wish is to simply to be a magical girl and help others, as she felt her current self was useless. Mami first tries to warn her off such a wish, and laments that her job as a magical girl has left her lonely and afraid, but feels relieved that Madoka wishes to fight alongside her.

The Grief Seed begins to activate, while a happy Mami fights off the [[Charlotte#Pyotr (PYOTR)|minions]] of the witch. She later reaches [[Charlotte|the witch's]] lair, and appears to kill her. However, the witch suddenly transforms into a giant caterpillar, catching her off-guard and decapitating her with a huge bite. As Mami's headless body falls to the floor, the witch continues to chomp on her remains, as the horrified Madoka and Sayaka can only watch. Kyubey pleads them to make their wishes quickly and contract with him, but before they can do so, Homura, her bonds dissolving with Mami's demise, steps in and defeats the witch, claiming the Grief Seed. After some harsh words, she departs, leaving a deeply saddened Madoka and Sayaka alone, grieving for Mami.

==Runes==
See the [[Runes:Episode 3|Runes of episode 3]] page for decryption of the messages the witch and her familiars wrote in runes.

==Observations==

[[File:Ep3_Caution.png|thumb|250px|There are headless figures along the top of the screen.]]
===Caution sign===
When Sayaka first enters Charlotte's barrier, there's a single frame that seems to foreshadow what's to come. Additional macabre hints are provided by the cereal box which is shown just before Charlotte appears. (See [[Runes:Episode 3]])

{{-}}
[[File:Charlotte_aux_fraises.JPG|thumb|250px|A real-life strawberry Charlotte (Charlotte aux fraises) -- pic from Wikipedia]]

===Witches and desserts===
The witch's name is [[Charlotte]], which is also a [[wikipedia:Charlotte_(dessert)|dessert]]. It can be served hot or cold. Classically, stale bread dipped in butter was used as the lining. The filling may be covered with a thin layer of similarly flavored gelatin.

The relationship between the cake and the witch is emphasized in the witch's magical world (just like [[Gertrud]] and flowers in the previous episode).

{{-}}
[[File:Giftwrapped Homura.png|thumb|250px|Mami, Madoka and Homura soon after entering Charlotte's labyrinth.]]

===Homura's Appearance===
Near the end of the episode, neither Kyubey or Sayaka knew that Homura was inside the labyrinth and had been restrained by Mami. Keeping this fact in mind may aid in understanding their reactions to the situation.

{{-}}

===Ending===
Episode 3 included the debut of the anime's ending sequence featuring the song [[Magia]]. The TV broadcasts of the first two episodes aired without endings to conceal the dark, ominous nature of the [[Magia]] ending.

== Trivia ==
Episode 3 first aired on Thursday, January 20 2011 at 25:30 JST (Friday at 1:30AM JST) on [http://www.mbs.jp/index-e.html MBS].
[[File:VeryHungry.jpg|thumb|250px|The Very Hungry Caterpillar teaches basic concepts such as counting to five which may be referenced by the numbers scattered around Charlotte's Labyrinth.]]
*Charlotte's second form may have been inspired by [[wikipedia:The_Very_Hungry_Caterpillar|The Very Hungry Caterpillar]], an immensely popular children's tale.
* The music piece that [[Sayaka Miki]] and [[Kamijou]] heard in the hospital is Sergei Rachmaninoff's ''[[wikipedia:Vocalise_(Rachmaninoff)|Vocalise]]''. The cover with the violinist ''Dawd Ostrakh'' is a reference to the soviet violinist [[wikipedia:David Oistrakh|David Oistrakh]] (or Oistrach).
* The CD player [[Kamijou]] was using is a conceptional [http://www.yankodesign.com/index.php/2007/08/09/dual-music-player-that-plays-your-mp3-collection-your-cds/ 'Dual Music Player'] designed by Yong-Seong Kim.
* The opening sequence got some visual upgrades compared to the first two episodes' original broadcast (see picture [[Episode_3#Differences_in_the_opening | below]])
* Mami mentioned in [[Episode 2]] that witches also appear in hospitals.
* The sign 「手術中」 means "Operating." This could be a sign that the witch was originally diabetic or obese and had to undergo surgery.
* There are a number of [[Episode_3#Production_errors|drawing errors]] after the fight with Charlotte.
* Cyrus Hamlin, Professor Emeritus of German and Comparative Literature at Yale University, died peacefully in New Haven on January 19th, 2011 approximately two days before this episode aired. As part of his career he spent four decades studying and writing about Goethe's Faust and Goethe himself, authoring or editing much of the literature on the subject.
* Mami's gun kata style fighting may be explained by Gen being a fan of the [[wikipedia:Equilibrium (movie)|Equilibrium]] movie, where gun kata was extensively used.
* Chiwa Saito (Homura) was the only one who failed to see Mami's death flags. She was also surprised to learn that she was the only one who didnt see Mami's death coming.
* After Episode 3, 2chan/nicodou exploded with new phrases like ''"Mamiruzo"'' and ''"Mamirareta"'' (you'll be eaten).
** Aoi Yuuki (Madoka) is such a nerd that she uses ''"Mamirareta"'' in the Blu-ray Episode 3 audio commentary.
* While discussing wishes with Madoka and Sayaka, Mami mentions a magical girl who made a wish for the benefit of others but suffered a tragic fate. She is most likely referring to the events in [[Drama CD 3|Drama CD 3: ''"Farewell Story"'']].
* It is possible that Homura has already fought against Charlotte in one of the previous timelines. This could explain her statement about how it was "different from the other witches" (i.e. hurting the main body would only produce a new one). Also, it was only after Homura landed on a seemingly lifeless doll that Charlotte was truly destroyed, implying that she (Homura) knew Charlotte's weak spot beforehand.

===Production errors===

In the original airing of this episode, after the fight with Charlotte, Homura jumps down and reverts back to her schoolgirl clothes. But then there is a single shot of her wearing her magical girl costume again, before she's back in her school uniform. In the Blu-ray/DVD version, this is corrected. See the [[Episode_revisions#Episode_3 | episode revisions]] page for all changes made in the BD version.

Outside the hospital after the Labyrinth disappears, the bike rack layer is underneath the garden bed's and there are few, if any, shadows.

==Images==

<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Ep03goof_03.jpg|Just a little glitch in the matrix.
File:Ep3 Goof02.png
</gallery>

=== Fanart Response to Production Error===
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:SHAFTing comic.png|SHAFT should remember that fans are always watching
</gallery>

===Official Art===
<gallery>
File:EC03.jpg|Episode 3's [[End_Cards | end card]] by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B4%A5%E8%B7%AF%E5%8F%82%E6%B1%B0 Santa Tsuji].
</gallery>
=== Screenshots ===
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:'in_operation'_as_in_surgery.jpg|'in operation' as in surgery
File:Ep3_Goof01.jpg|Homura should be wearing her school uniform
File:Charlotte roman name.jpg|Charlotte's name in roman letters.
File:Ep3 Grief-seed that Homura picked up.png|Homura picked up a grief seed. It seems like a soul gem in the TV version, but was corrected in the BD/DVD.
</gallery>

=== Early Script and Sketches for Ep 3 ===
<gallery>
File:Early Ep. 3 Script and Sketches.jpg|Top Secret: Do Not Read.
</gallery>

=== Fanart Reaction to Mami Losing her Head===
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:Hidamari Magi.png
File:Hidamari Magi shock.png
File:Madoka South Park.jpg|Oh my God, they killed Mami!
File:Mami Charlotte cosplay.jpg|Awesome cosplay.
File:Mamisan daily life.png
File:More mami jokes.jpg|
File:Mami i love cake.jpg
File:Playing with mami.jpg
File:Nanomado.jpg|It even scared [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha the previous Magical Girl duo!]
File:The mami toaster fanart.jpg
File:Mami charlotte bloody battle fanart.jpg|Mami's last stand.
File:Madoka the cake wish was a lie fanart.jpg|Why can't I hold all these cakes...
File:Charlotte mami meal fanart look out.png
File:Keep calm and dont lose your head.jpg
File:Another keep calm and dont lose your head.jpg
File:Mami fighting back fanart.jpg
File:Mami sacrifice she died for our cakes fanart.jpg
File:Fatezeromadoka.jpg|Not even [http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Rider_(Fate/Zero) Alexander the Great] can see this without being shocked.
File:Lordgenome head twin drills fanart.jpg
File:Mahou.Shoujo.Madoka.Magica.full.826082.jpg|Charlotte scores!
</gallery>

=== Miscellaneous ===
==== Differences in the opening ====
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:Op1.png|OP comparison part 1
File:Op2.png|OP comparison part 2
File:OP and ED parallels.jpg|2ch examines parallels between the ED and the OP
</gallery>

==== Runes deciphering ====
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:Madoka jazz.png
File:Ep3 Barcode Runes.png|In-progress Barcode runes deciphering
File:Barcode.PNG|More barcode runes deciphering
</gallery>

==== Other analyses ====
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:Ep3 Charlotte Fake.jpg|Theory stating the real Charlotte is just a doll sitting on the platform
File:Ep3 Charlotte Fake JP.jpg|2ch description of the same theory: that Charlotte can multiply herself until the doll is stepped on
File:chart ep 3.jpg|Speculation chart of episode 3
File:Episode 3 BD 5391 goroawase.jpg|"5391" is a [[wikipedia:Japanese_wordplay|goroawase]] for "gomi kui" (ゴミ食い) or "eating dirt".
File:Mami-gem-vs-charlotte-seed.png|A comparison of Charlotte's seed, Mami's gem, and Homura's object from the TV version
File:Tetsunagi Kooni 06 03.jpg|This old manga page is from another of Ume Aoki's works, and it was done prior to Madoka. There is no evidence to indicate that Ume Aoki had anything to do with the way Mami was killed. Nor is there any evidence to indicate that Gen Urobuchi was inspired from this manga page. However, ''absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...''
</gallery>

==See also==
*Live watching threads featuring reactions to the episode as it aired: [http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/44965635] and [http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/44966724]
*[[Charlotte | Charlotte, the witch who fought Mami]].
*[[Runes:Episode_3 | Translations of the witch runes appearing in this episode.]]
*[[Episode_revisions#Episode_3 | Revisions made in the BD version of this episode.]]
*The anime's ending, [[Magia]].

==External links==
*{{summary_link|03}}

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Candeloro

2012-06-21T00:26:33Z

Derp101(2): /* Fanart */

__NOTOC__
'''Candeloro''' ({{Runes|CANDELORO}}) is the witch form of [[Mami Tomoe]] that makes an appearance in ''[[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]''. Like the anime, her design was done by [[Gekidan Inu Curry]]. She has two familiars that represent [[Madoka Kaname]] and [[Kyoko Sakura]], in both appearance and fighting style.

{{Card
|name = Candeloro
|runes = CANDELORO
|image = File:Candeloro witch card.jpg
|japanese_desc = おめかしの魔女。その性質はご招待。理想を夢見る心優しき魔女。寂しがり屋のこの魔女は結界へ来たお客さまを決して逃がさない。
|english_desc = The witch of dress-up. She has an inviting nature. A kind-hearted witch who dreams of ideal things. This witch can't stand being lonely, and never lets visitors to her barrier escape.
|type = Dress-up witch
|nature = Inviting
|episodes = [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]
}}

== Minions ==
{{Card
|name = Unknown
|runes =
|image =
|japanese_desc = おめかしの魔女の手下。その役割はご案内。結界の中に入ってきた人間を魔女のお茶会へと誘う。放っておくと逃げてしまうため、魔女によって手足を縛られている。魔女の大切なお友達。
|english_desc = The dress-up witch's minions, whose task is to guide visitors. They invite humans who enter the witch's barrier to her tea party. When they try to run away from her, the witch ties their hands and feet together. They are precious friends of the witch.
|type = Dress-up witch's minion
|task = Guiding visitors
|episodes = [[Madoka Magica Portable]]
}}

==Translations==
[[Dengeki PlayStation 2012-01-12|From the January 2012 Dengeki PlayStation]]
<table border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1" style="border-collapse: collapse; border-color: #ddd; margin-top: 20px;">
<tr>
<th style="text-align: right; background: #efefef;">Source</th>
<th style="text-align: left; background: #efefef;">Translation</th>
</tr>
<tr><td>[[File:PSP_Game_03.jpg|300px]]</td>
<td>Mami Tomoe - Witch Barrier 
Main text: Every witch controls a bizarre space known as a barrier, which becomes a space resembling the magical girl's mental landscape before she became a witch. Mami's witch is no exception. A fancy, elegant space just like a tea party out of a picture book. It's a witch barrier befitting Mami, who loves black tea. 
Top right: 
The teacup, rainbow bridge, and apple trees in a line, along with the inverted color of the sky, stir up an sense of unease. 
Bottom right: 
Like the witch, the barrier's design was also newly drawn by Gekidan Inucurry.</td></tr>
<tr><td>[[File:PSP_Game_04.jpg|300px]]</td>
<td>Mami Tomoe - Familiars 
Main text: The witches' familiars are, just like the witches' barrier, projections of the magical girl's heart before she became a witch. [In this case], Mami, who had fought alone for a long time, and sought companions. The familiars born from that kind of girl are... To defeat the transformed Mami, you must defeat these strangely familiar familiars as well. 
Top right: 
A bow-wielding, pink familiar. It's reminiscent of a certain someone Mami was set on befriending... 
Bottom right: 
There's also a familiar besides the one shown above. Both are sorrowful existences produced by Mami's heart. 
Madoka's skills: 
*Magical Score
*Spread Arrow
</td></tr>
</table>

==Trivia==
*Candeloro is an Inu Curry creation.
*Candeloro's barrier include familiar elements of Mami's "mental landscape" including a rainbow bridge, teacups and apple trees.
*Candeloro's familiars take the forms of Madoka Kaname and Kyoko Sakura. The familiars fight in the same fashion as the magical girls. The one that resembles Madoka shoots arrows from a pink bow while the one that resembles Kyoko uses a long-range multiple spear attack.
*Candeloro attacks resembles Mami's. She has a simple rifle-like attack and can bind using ribbons. She can also take possession of a familiar to shoot a Tiro Finale-like attack, except it shoots flames rather than ammunition.
*Text in her barrier reads "Happy Birthday."
*How Mami becomes Candeloro is described in [[Madoka_Magica_Portable_Mami_Route#Story|her game route]] (expand for story spoilers).

== Speculation & Observation ==
*Candeloro is an [[wikipedia:it:Candeloro|Italian male name.]] The feminine name would be Candelora.
**The Name derives from a medieval tradition given to children born on the day of the Christian holiday of Candlemas, or "feast of candles." It is similar to the Spanish name Candelaria.
**It is a common name in South Italy, it is particularly popular in Sicily and Puglia.
[[File:Amazing painting of pancakes.png|right|200px|thumb|From religious festival to pancakes. The amazing world of Madoka.]]
*[[wikipedia:it:Candelora|Candelora is a religious feast]], it is celebrated in February 2, when the Catholic church celebrates the ''"Presentazione del Signore"'' (Presentation of Our Lord). Formerly called the "Feast of the Purification of the Virgin Mary", it is now popularly called the feast of Candelora.[http://www.theflorentine.net/articles/article-view.asp?issuetocId=4043]
**This feast was originally called the Purification of the Virgin Mary, reflecting the custom that, as a Jewish woman, Jesus' mother would have followed. In the Jewish tradition, women were considered impure for the 40 days after the delivery of a male child and were not allowed to worship in the temple; after the 40 days had passed, the women were brought to the temple to be purified. Feburary 2 is, in fact, 40 days after December 25, the day the Church marks the birth of Jesus.
**In English-speaking countries where the feast of Candelora is known as [[wikipedia:Candlemas|Candlemas]] Day (or Candle Mass).
***Candles have a significant place in [[wikipedia:Ceremonial_use_of_lights#Candles|religious ceremonies.]]
**There is a practical connection to the religious symbolism. February 2 is a cross-quarter day, halfway between the winter solstice and the spring equinox. For millenia, people in the Northern Hemisphere have noted that if the sun comes out at the mid-way point between winter and spring, winter weather would continue for another six weeks. As one might imagine, for humans living a subsistence existence the difference was an important one, with implications for survival as well as hunting and farming.
***In North America, February 2 is [[wikipedia:Groundhog_Day|Groundhog Day]].
****Which is also [[wikipedia:Groundhog_Day_(film)|the name of a movie]] about a single day being repeated over and over.
**In France, Candlemas ([[wikipedia:fr:Chandeleur|Chandeleur]]) is best known for being [[wikipedia:fr:Chandeleur#France_.3B_Belgique_.3B_Suisse|the day of pancakes]], which are prepared in every way.
***It is believed that pancakes are consumed on Chandeleur because of their round shape and golden color, reminiscent of the solar disc. This is probably a reference to the return of spring after a dark winter.
****Legend has it that [[wikipedia:Pope_Gelasius_I|Pope Gelasius I]] distributed pancakes to arriving pilgrims in Rome.
* The witch name '''Candeloro''' may refer to the French figure skater - '''[[wikipedia:Philippe_Candeloro|Philippe Candeloro]]''' who won the Bronze medal in Men's singles Figure skating at the 1998 Nagano Winter Olympics.
** Philippe Candeloro gave a stunning performance by portraying the role of the musketeer '''[[wikipedia:D%27Artagnan|D'Artagnan]]''' during the contest.
*** D'Artagnan usually represents a talented, militant and heroic character in western literature. This matches the first impression which Mami gave to the audience. Similar to Mami, D'Artagnan is also a musketeer.
*Candeloro is probably trying to refer to the feast of candles/Candlemas. Common superstitions of the tradition is tied to death and serpents.
**It is speculated that [[Charlotte]] could represent the serpent.
*The Teacups should be rather obvious, but cups also symbolize Healing and Immortality, among other things. Also, the fact that the teacups are black, nearly undecorated and wide-brimmed ties them to mysticism and divination rituals.
*Apple Trees symbolize Immortality. [[wikipedia:Tír_na_nÓg|Tír na nÓg]], the Land of the Young, is also known as the Isle of Apples.
*Rainbow Bridges, specifically, symbolize the bridge from Earth to the Heavens, and it is said that those who cross them reach divinity. Rainbows, themselves, can mean many things, but are commonly tied back to Healing and Perfection.
*Black Clouds are a common symbol of inevitability and death.
*The fact that the water is red means it is most probably blood. Blood is nearly always a symbol of Life Force.
*Within Candeloro's Witch Labyrinth there is a house. Inside of the house, you will notice that the Christmas Greenery is still hung up and it decorates all of the walls. Assuming that Candeloro does indeed reference the Candlemas tradition, then this is of note, as common belief is that if you fail to take down the Christmas Greenery on the eve of Candlemas, you bring death to all of those in your congregation.
**If there happen to be any bells ringing in the background, that's another symbol that means that your friends are going to die.
*"Candeloro" is an Italian name, which is fitting as Mami's attacks were all named in Italian when she was a magical girl.
*Mami's Witch form and barrier could reflect her desire to never be alone. She wants a never-ending tea party with constant company, even if she has to tie them up to keep them. Her familiars are the two girls she's been closest to, yet also lost or was scared of losing (to the point that she was jealous of Madoka's relationship with Homura). She has them collared and perpetually serving her now.
*Candeloro's tag has the runes {{Runes|CANDELORO DU POLIGNAC}} written on it. It reads, "Candeloro du Polignac".
**It is suspected that it could be a reference to [[:wikipedia:Yolande de Polastron|Yolande Martine Gabrielle de Polastron, Duchesse de Polignac]], a member of [[:wikipedia:Marie Antoinette|Marie Antoinette]]'s court who was greatly famed for her beauty.
***Gabrielle de Polastron was a favorite of Maria Antoinette. In 1775 she was formally presented to the Queen of France, Marie-Antoinette, who was instantly "dazzled" by her, and invited her to move permanently to Versailles. The cost of maintaining oneself at the court of Versailles was ruinous and Gabrielle replied that her husband did not have the money to finance a permanent move to the palace. Determined to keep her new favourite by her side, the Queen agreed to settle the family's many outstanding debts and to find an appointment for Gabrielle's husband.
***Gabrielle de Polastron was considered by many of her friends to be elegant, sophisticated, charming and entertaining. Ultimately, the queen's favouritism towards the Polignac family was one of the many causes which fueled Marie-Antoinette's unpopularity with some of her husband's subjects.
***By the late 1780s, thousands of pornographic pamphlets alleged that Gabrielle was [[Yuri undertones|the queen's lesbian lover]], and although there was no evidence to back up these accusations they did immeasurable damage to the prestige of the monarchy.
****Gabrielle de Polastron was one of the major characters (albeit a scheming one) in [[:wikipedia:The Rose of Versailles|"The Rose of Versailles"]], a shōujo manga/anime created by [[:wikipedia:Riyoko Ikeda|Riyoko Ikeda]].
*****Incidentally, the anime show remains incredibly popular in Italy.[http://cosfu.org/2010/10/riyoko-ikeda-cosplays-with-fans-before-romics-2010-rome/]
***Historians and critics suspect that Gabrielle de Polastron's enemies fabricated or exaggerated her character and her extravagance that earned her a negative reputation with Parisians and members of the politically-liberal nobility. However, some critics contend that to some extent she deserved her negative reputation because, despite the inaccuracies of the claims that she was sexually disreputable, other criticisms of her were valid - that she was cold, self-centred, self-indulgent and masked a love of gossip and intrigue behind a sweet-toned voice and flawless manners. The duchesse de Polignac typified the aristocratic hangers-on at [[:wikipedia:Palace_of_Versailles#The_politics_of_display|the court of Versailles]] before the [[:wikipedia:French Revolution|French Revolution]] and she embodied the exclusivity, the obliviousness and the selfish extravagance of the ruling class.
****More sympathetic historians agree that most of the problems originated with her entourage and that she was certainly no worse than some other aristocrats or favourites who had preceded her at Versailles.
***Gabrielle de Polastron was one of the key figures in the ultra-monarchist movement throughout the early summer of 1789.
***After the [[:wikipedia:Storming of the Bastille|storming of the Bastille]] on 14 July 1789, all the members of the Polignac family went into exile to Switzerland. Gabrielle died in Austria in December 1793, shortly after hearing of the execution of Marie-Antoinette. Her family simply announced that she had died as a result of heartbreak and suffering. Most historians have concluded that she died of cancer.
****Allegorical pamphlets were printed that showed the Angel of Death descending to take the soul of the still-beautiful duchesse de Polignac. Her beauty and early death became metaphors for the demise of the old regime.
*****If we take into account Charlotte's relation with cancer this makes Mami's demise all the more bitter.
**There is a certain similarity and differences between Mami as an ''ojou-sama'' and the French Aristocracy prior to the revolution:
***The French Nobility and Aristocracy are remembered for their obliviousness and selfishness as well as their extravagance. In contrast, Mami is down to Earth, friendly, and generous to her friends; she is a refined lady with refined manners. However, Mami does give the impression of being more aristocratic than the rest of the girls. It is speculated that Mami's family was upper-class or at least relatively more wealthy than the other girl's families.
***Mami doesn't seem to be bothered by making friends with different class or social backgrounds; prior to the accident she was surrounded by friends that loved her. We do not know what kind of people her friends were on her prior life, but it is possible to assume that Mami isn't bothered by social or economic class differences. However, Mami does belong to a special class in society that has nothing to do with social mobility or financial strength, she is part of the magical realm that separates her from the rest of human society. Just like the French upper-class was separated from the suffering of the poor and the destitute with their wealth and power, Mami becomes isolated from the rest of human society because of her role as a magical girl. The difference is that human society is oblivious to Mami's suffering and loneliness and unaware of the sacrifices she had to endure to protect the city, but Mami is not indifferent toward humans becoming victims of Witches.
****In a way, this would be considered a reversal.
***Mami's actions could be described as ''"[[:wikipedia:Noblesse_oblige|Noblesse oblige]]"''. It is generally used to imply that with wealth, power and prestige come certain responsibilities. The term suggests a general obligation for the more fortunate to help the less fortunate. In Mami's case, she feels like she has a moral duty and responsibility as a magical girl to protect human society at her own expense.
*If you look closely, Candeloro's witch kiss almost looks like a torso.

===A traditional Candlemas song===
<blockquote>Today is the Day of Bride; 
The serpent shall come from the hole, 
I will not molest the serpent, 
Nor will the serpent molest me.[http://books.google.co.kr/books?id=s4AP30k4IFwC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=Today+is+the+day+of+Bride%3B+The+serpent+shall+come+from+the+hole,+I+will+not+molest+the+serpent,+Nor+will+the+serpent+molest+me.&source=bl&ots=-gY4Q_zK2l&sig=YvGv6w65bkX2EvwW5PHrkgDzT7o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=b1BHT9uoB4ahiAf5tNSBDg&redir_esc=y]</blockquote>

== Gallery ==
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:PSP Game 02.jpg|Candeloro and her name
File:PSP Game 03.jpg|Her barrier
File:PSP Game 04.jpg|Familiars
File:Candeloro Kiss.jpg|Candeloro's mark.
File:Candeloro grief seed.png|Candeloro's Grief Seed
File:PSP Candeloro Game Profile.jpg|Game Profile
File:Inukare Gallery Candeloro.png
File:Tag witch runes candeloro.jpg|It is supected the runes read: {{Runes|Candeloro du Polignac}}.
</gallery>

== Fanart ==
{{Fanart}}
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center">
File:Candeloro_witch_card.jpg
File:Candeloro form fanart.jpg
File:Candeloro form fanart 2.jpg
File:Candeloro witch fanart mami human form.jpg
File:4chan candeloro hard gay for madoka kyouko.jpg|Fan reaction from /u/.
File:Candeloro familiars fanart.jpg
File:25335468.jpg
File:Candeloro_and_Ophelia.jpg
File:25001746.jpg
File:23796150.jpg
File:25338599.jpg
File:25296777 p2.jpg
File:25183072 p1.jpg
File:Candeloro witch black and white artwork fanart.jpg
File:Candeloro and ophelia fanart together.jpg
File:25808106.jpg
File:Candeloro fanart mami form.jpg
File:Loneliness Sucks.jpg
File:Candeloro familiars never alone again fanart.png
File:More candeloro and familiars fanart.jpg
File:Cute baby candeloro.jpg
File:26378453 p4.jpg
File:26730883 p1.jpg
File:Candeloro familiars serving tea fanart evil grin.jpg
File:Candeloro the cute witch.jpg
</gallery>

==External Links==
*[http://www.pixiv.net/tags.php?tag=Candeloro Candeloro pixiv fanart]

[[Category:Witches]]

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Rule 34 why? T_T --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 18:12, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

User talk:0x99

2012-06-11T13:37:26Z

Derp101(2): /* Recent attacks */

Are you alright? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 00:40, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
:Me and [[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] are worried about you, too - we've already talked about that, see [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css]]... I hope your absence is nothing serious... And thank you for your awesome work making and maintaining this wiki! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 02:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
::I'm fine, just got called for urgent work recently. Thanks for worrying. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 06:09, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

== New version of Runic font ==
[[User:FontAnon]] made a new version of the runic font, including the Q rune. It'd be nice if you could update the CSS-embedded font on the server, too. Thanks in a advance :) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 22:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 22:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

== Hai ==

Hai!

Ima fellow wiki admin :) To be honest im in love with ur CSS the way it displays the logo on the upper part is amazing. I was hoping you can guide me and tell me where or how can I get that skin. I think its called magica skin. I greatly appreciate any help you can give me

Thnks alot :)

--[[User:Framadi|Framadi]] 09:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

:Magica skin is just an extension over MediaWiki's default Vector skin. There's nothing beyond the overrides found it [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/main.css magica/main.css] file. Top left logo is just a transparent PNG with actual logo in the [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/header.jpg header image]. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 09:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Hai Ty so much for ur help :)
Ahm im afraid I am a little bit nobish :( so I was hoping :( if u can point out me out to the right direction on how to "override" the vector skin? or install the skin.

Thank you so much. I appreciate any help you ca give me :)

Cheers!

== Countdown ==

There used to be this countdown box when episodes were airing and I really loved it and wanted a countdown myself. I was wondering, how did you install the countdown extension? I seem to be unable to get it added. I created a Coundown.php files with the code from the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Countdown|Extension Countdown page] and added the file to the extention folder, and added an require_once line to LocalSettings.php, but that does not seem to work out.
It would be absolutely great if you could help me out with it. [[Special:Contributions/90.136.128.115|90.136.128.115]] 20:55, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

:Inside Countdown.php, on a line that wrote: <code>function renderCountdown($input, $argv, &$parser) {</code> change it to <code>function renderCountdown($input, $argv, $parser) {</code>. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 21:05, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
:: Thanks a lot! Will hopefully remember next time I will look up what php version the webhoster has... [[Special:Contributions/90.136.128.115|90.136.128.115]] 21:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Translations ==

I talked to symbv re: our current project with scans and he expressed interest in seeing them and helping out with translations. Seems like anytime would be good, he's fairly fast in getting translations out. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 04:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:That's cool, though I've been busy at work this week; the scanning pace would be slower than I originally expected. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 05:07, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::Just checking in to see if there's any possibility of having Otona Anime Volume 21 or 20 scanned? Or anything production-related we don't have translated yet? --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 03:27, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Any prospect of getting more scans? We don't need Otona Anime. I will be acquiring those. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 03:22, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Will start scanning starting Monday in release order. Any magazine scan you want it first? Sorry for the long delay, though, was very busy with my project (and will probably be busy again in the next few weeks...) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 11:14, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Nothing in particular, whatever you can do is good. Thanks. Also, I noticed there's a 2MB size limit on upload files. This is a problem for me since most high quality scans are larger than 2MB. Is there anything that can be done about that? --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 14:15, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Bumped to 20MB. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 14:35, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks! --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 14:54, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Namespace ==

Hello. I was wondering: shouldn't we create a namespace for all the runes translations? At the moment, the pages are just named "Runes:Episode x", which is apparently considered plain text, and not considered as namespace + page name (and I do not know how to make one). --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

==WPC==
Hey, how's walpurgischan going? 
Just saying, on Wednesday it'll be 6 months since ep1 premiered. Would be classy if we had "something" to mark that day :) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 12:38, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wow, that's right. OK my contribution will be to get the docs page ready by then with what we have, plus any new scans if you have the time, 0x99. This could be a nice addition to whatever cool, celebratory thing you all decide on doing. Also, with Aniplex licensing Madoka to the U.S., I expect we'll start seeing more visitors to the wiki at some point. Just something to think about if we have any long-term plans. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 13:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
::Actually, I don't think we have that much long-term projects, except that whole Documents thingy (and walpurgischan if that one's still holding, but it's not directly related to the wiki) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 22:04, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, getting way too busy with work lately (few weeks before project launch); will try to get it done before Wed. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 08:57, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::Once again, if you want help with the coding, feel free to ask :) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::PS: Nice, the Madoka-related captcha for non-logged users :) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== CloudFlare errors ==

Recently, I guess after you installed CloudFlare, I've been running into HTTP 502 or 503 errors with CloudFlare footer to them. They don't happen too often, but eg. today when I navigated to the wiki, I got an error and it showed up only after refreshing... It wasn't happening before, so you may want to look into it. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 19:14, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for reporting. I've turned off few stuff that might be the cause of this problem, please ping me if this happens again (either here or via email). I'll turn off CloudFlare if the problem persists. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 23:35, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
::OK, I'm seeing it now. Will ask CloudFlare to inspect into this. I've disabled everything except CDN for the time being; let's see if the problem still persists (ping me if it does) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 00:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

==Caching==
I have no idea what may be the reason for this, but I uploaded an updated version of [[:File:Kyouko Sakura Place-in Design.jpg]] - 2 hours have since passed, but the updated version hasn't showed up. I think it's way too long to be normal. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 18:10, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
:CloudFlare caching settings was a bit too aggressive; it was set to 5 days previously, I've changed it to 2 hours now (minimum caching limit). In a long run it might make more sense to apply timestamp to the file which would allow the file to be updated instantly (I'm not sure if MediaWiki has any extension to do that though, may need to write my own) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
:Image upload should be instantaneous now. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 10:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==Momo Sakura==
Do we have confirmation that Mami Shirata voiced Momo Sakura in the Drama CD, Farewell Story as well? It was rumored/suspected that was Chiwa Saitou... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
:Is seiyuu's own official website is not enough of a confirmation? Here's two credits from Madopo I've found:
::杏子の父　銀河万丈
::杏子の母　井上喜久子
::杏子の妹　設楽麻美
:I didn't check the ending credit myself, though. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 14:29, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
::Kyoko's mother isn't on the list. In fact, she didn't have a single word to say in the game. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Kyouko's mother one is from Farewell Story, it seems (though no source). Can you confirm the rest? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
::::I have seen the others on staff list when ED is playing. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:21, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::Thanks! --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 16:26, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

== Runes.ttf ==

I just found [http://www.derwok.de/downloads/ttfpatch/ a free tool] which can change the ttf's ''embeddable'' flag so IE9 can render it, update the ttf if you think it's better to allow it shows in IE9.
--[[User:AkitaNeru|AkitaNeru]] 13:01, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for the tip, I've patched and updated the font but can't really check if it's working (don't have access to IE). It probably need few more hours for cache to get updated so if you don't see the embedded runes in IE9, please feel free to ping me again. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 14:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
<pre>% md5sum runes*
743bc26c29f6d495ee534c816cade05a runesmusical-original.ttf
b40a8b33996c51993d9e63b2c75d6436 runesmusical-patched.ttf
a34bd82eaf6250c042b824eb33b38e2e runes-original.ttf
b71f53bbc4e0b7fe19f8e56ab24d4b84 runes-patched.ttf</pre>
[[File:TTF-Problem.png|thumb|right|Your original runesmusical.ttf works perfectly in IE9]]
::I'm sorry to tell you this, but I'm afraid you were doing it wrong... According to IEBlog along with the tool's help message, you might want to set the value to '''0''' in order to show it in IE9.
::Your original runesmusical.ttf had the value set to 0, so I can see it rendering perfectly in IE9 without any changing, now both the musical & the regular font won't show in IE9.
::After trying to change the value to 0, the MD5 hash of runesmusical.ttf also return to '''743bc26c29f6d495ee534c816cade05a''', and for runes.ttf it became '''82b225cee251dadf30f1c8723b803f19'''.
::My English skill is not good enough for explaning this, hope you can understand what I'm trying to tell. Anyway, I feel happy to know you are glad to patch the font.
::I tested the fonts I've patched, they work perfectly when I use IE9 to view my local test site. --[[User:AkitaNeru|AkitaNeru]] 09:52, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:::OK thank you for the feedback. I'll try patching it again once I get access to Windows machine (probably after work.) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 11:04, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:::I've updated the fonts, can you force reload the page and confirm if it works? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 11:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
<pre>% md5sum runes*
743bc26c29f6d495ee534c816cade05a runesmusical.ttf
82b225cee251dadf30f1c8723b803f19 runes.ttf</pre>
::::Great! They are working now! --[[User:AkitaNeru|AkitaNeru]] 13:48, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

==Gekidan Gallery==
Hey 0x99. I was wondering if you ever intend to upload the remainig images from the Inukare Gallery from Portable. So far on the wiki, we have design art images of Quitterie, interior shots of Gretchen, and Homulilly. Would you be willing to upload any remaining images form the Gallery? [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 10:11, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:I want to try avoiding uploading duplicates, can you make a list of what's already uploaded and I'll upload the rest? ---[[User:0x99|0x99]] 11:05, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:: Here's what's already been uploaded:
*http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Quitterie_comparison.png (Needs to be in HD)
*http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Homulilly.png
*http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Witch_of_Salvation_Center.png
*http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Interior_of_the_witch_of_salvation.png
*http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:PSP_Inu_Curry_Art_Gallery.jpg (Higher-quality image of Candeloro needed)
Other than that, you should be able to put up everything else in the Gallery [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 11:56, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:OK thanks, I'll update the rest once I got back. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:04, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::What time do you get back by? Right now I'm in England and it's 3 in the afternoon here [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 13:56, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Just now. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:34, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 16:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:: What else is on the special CD that needs uploading? What's the illustration gallery suppose to be? [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 16:19, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::: Just event CGs. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 16:24, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:::: Have you obtained a copy of the guide yet? [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 16:30, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::::: You mean the PSP guide? Not yet, and probably not any time soon, I think. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 16:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::We should probably fix up the Witch cards [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 17:06, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::::: I take that back, just bought one on my way back. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 17:13, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::: Sweet. Let the uploads begin. [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 17:28, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::: I '''don't''' think I'll tear the whole thing down and scan, though. What information in particular do you want? There's strategy guide (that I probably won't scan [too many pages, copyright, etc.]), events CG (mostly uploaded). Only the interview with developer team at the end (4 pages) that seems to be interesting. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 17:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I've been told there are original illustrations and background info about the witch Barriers in the book. [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 18:17, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::The closest page to that description I could found is this:
:::::::::[[File:Madoka Magica Portable Guide Main Characters Witches.jpg|400px]]
:::::::::I couldn't find any page about background info about the witch barriers, only strategy guide. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:37, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::See if there are Witch illustrations or if there is any info regarding Quittiere and Itzli. [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 18:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::None that I could find. In fact, I don't think Inukare is even involved in this strategy guide at all. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::If there is anything Witch-related, or interviews . . . [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 18:58, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
┌──────────────────────┘ 
Yeah, I tried to find it, interview seems to be mostly about game development. I'll scan it later. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:06, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
: Oh! See if there are names for Witch familiars [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 19:58, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

== Recent attacks ==

So, there were some dumbasses erasing content on the wiki and now we are forced to do some lock ups. When did that sudden wave of hatred and trolling came upon us? --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 04:22, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
:No idea, he's probably a purist fan than troll. Either way, I think we might want to separate Adult Only fan-made stuff into another page, which may or may not solve this vandalization in a long run. It doesn't seems like this guy want to discuss about any possibility of doing so, though. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 14:11, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
::Not sure if this is how you flag someone for inappropriate behaviour but some n00bs keep acting like brats. ([http://wiki.puella-magi.net/index.php?title=Talk:Homulilly&curid=8975&diff=44270&oldid=44269]) --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 13:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Community:Yuri undertones

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[[File:Yuri relationship map.jpg|right|300px]]
Aside from its story and characters, the show gained popularity among some fans for its "yuri" (also known as "shoujo-ai" among Western fans and "Girls' Love" among Eastern fans, meaning romantic relationships between women and girls) subtext. Many [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica yuri-loving fans] tend to see pairings between the girls, usually Homura x Madoka and Kyouko x Sayaka. This page will try to explain what lead them to this conclusion (and what "evidence" there is in canon).

==About yuri==
[[File:Knm bandage blood.jpg|right|thumb|200px|This scene with the bloody bandage evokes the idea of the red string of fate.]]

The scene where Madoka gives her ribbons to Homura is considered to be a good example of yuri subtext, but unless one is familiar with its significance, the [[User_talk:Nox#Yuri_evidence_at_the_end_of_Ep.12|meaning can be lost to someone who is unfamiliar]] to it. This section will try to explain to those who are unfamiliar when it comes to yuri. To understand how important the context is let us start with the example like the ribbons Madoka gives to Homura. To someone who doesn't know yuri, this wouldn't mean anything.
[[File:Yuri relationship Madoka.gif|right|200px]]
However, if you're a yuri fan, you recognize that as a reference to the scene that started the yuri shipping fandom for one of the most iconic/famous Mahou Shoujo yuri couples, Nanoha and Fate from the [[wikipedia: Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_(series)|"Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha"]] franchise. There is a strong possibility that this was done intentionally because [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4576 Shinbo] directed both the Nanoha and the Madoka anime series.

For comparison you can [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmKTGB_QmKc follow this link] to observe this scene where (while it's nice to watch it all and see the similarity in long embraces and talk of friendship, just skip to 4:40) you can notice their similarities:

#[[:file:Madoka giving ribbons.gif|giving of ribbons]]
#stating the ribbons will be a way to remember the other person
#a promise they'll meet again.

This parallels what Madoka tells Homura as Madoka gives her the ribbons. On a side note, the red ribbons could be a symbolic reference to the [[wikipedia:Red_string_of_fate|'red string of fate']], people who are destined to be soul mates and will one day marry each other.

[[File:Madoka magica comparison knm.png|left|200px]]

The importance of context is also true with the nearly identical pose for Madoka and Homura's naked embrace in space to one of the most iconic scenes known in yuri (as an example of how well-known [[:file:KnM Madoka ver.jpg|this pose]] is, on /u/ there is a thread dedicated to nothing but this scene redone for dozens of yuri shipped couples, [http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/index?tags=miko_embrace of which 95% are pure fanart] because to see this actual pose in an anime or manga is actually quite rare). This original embrace was first aired in [[wikipedia:Kannazuki_no_Miko|"Kannazuki no Miko"]], one of the most well-known couples in yuri fandom. They share many parallels to Homura and Madoka. In "Kannazuki no Miko", the character of Chikane is very similar to Homura in being tall, dark-haired, competent, totally willing to sacrifice herself for another girl, etc. whose ways are mysterious to the sweet, naive Himeko (who Madoka resembles). As it turns out, Chikane is the one who remembers her shared tragic fate with Himeko of repeating the same cycle of lives together over and over again (a cycle that always end in tragedy), with Himeko only discovering the full truth of their connection just before they are to be parted again, because they need to sacrifice themselves to save the world. And when this happens, Himeko gets to choose how she wants the next world to be remade, e.g. whether they are to forget about each other; or be able to remember their past memories and meet one another again in the next world (she chooses the second option). Another clear reference to yuri is from the classic, [[wikipedia:Yami_to_Bōshi_to_Hon_no_Tabibito|"Yami to Boshi"]]. Hazuki is the Homura-like character (tall, long dark hair, fighter, obsessive etc.) who obsessively travels across different worlds to track down her pure-hearted, sweet Hatsumi (Madoka-like character). They finally meet in this otherworldly place outside the rest of the universe, and Hazuki confesses her feelings to Hatsumi, only to find out Hatsumi is a god and so they cannot stay together. Hatsumi uses her god-like powers to reset Hazuki's world so she's suppose to forget her, but Hatzuki seems to have a vague recollection anyway, and yes, there's also a vague promise of meeting again one day.
[[File:The Yuri rank.jpg|right|150px]]
So with that context of the similarity of these two couples, the embrace is basically hitting home the point of ''"yes, yuri fans, we're comparing these two to 'Kannazuki no Miko' if you haven't already noticed."'' Again, this is done intentionally (much like [[Episode 9]] similarities to the well-known anime series [[wikipedia:Revolutionary_Girl_Utena|"Revolutionary Girl Utena"]], because of the [[:file:Revolutionary Girl Utena and Madoka.png|yuri Utena symbolism]]). The studio (SHAFT), director (Shinbo), character designer (Ume) and among others on the production staff, are well-known for being very genre-savvy about yuri, and intentionally putting in yuri-subtext in their anime on a regular basis.

Viewers of the series may see something different in the anime, their views will always be subjective to themselves (to yuri and non-yuri fans), however, it doesn't change the symbolic meaning behind the pose in [[Episode 12]] naked space hug (to yuri-fans at least) nor the similarities of Homura and Madoka's situation to that in "Kannazuki no Miko".

On a side note, there are few other small samples of yuri subtext but they are minor and numerous to detail completely. Several samples can be found throughout the rest of the article. Also, for completion sake, it is required to inform that the space hug symbolism could also be a reference other famous yuri scenes in anime (plus Diebuster, Lain, EoE too; however, those scenes are considered to be too ambiguous for interpretation).

==Homura and Madoka==

=== Episode 11: Love Confession or Pledge of Friendship? ===
[[File:Dimentional reaction.png|thumb|right|200px|<center>Déjà vu</center>]]
Fans are divided with the significance of this scene. Fans of yuri see it as Homura's love confession to Madoka and a promise to protect her life. Those who believe in [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThePowerOfFriendship the power of friendship] see it as [[Episode_11#The_Power_of_Love_and_Friendship|Homura's pledge to protect her most precious friend]], Madoka, against a cruel fate. Fans of yuri see it as Homura promising to risk her life for Madoka's sake, even if it is an unrequited love or one-sided (Just like [[Yuri_undertones#Sayaka_and_Kyouko|Kyoko's case]]).

Is this scene depicting a powerful moment of friendship against all odds? Or is this Homura's attempt at a love confession where she promises to protect Madoka's life with her own life? Some believe this is a powerful love confession scene.

:'''Homura:''' There's no way I can tell you how I really feel.

:'''Madoka:''' Homura-chan...

:'''Homura:''' I mean... I mean... I'm living in a different time than you!

:I've come from the future, you know?

:I've met you over and over again, and each time, I've seen you die. How can I save you? How can I change your fate? I've been looking for that answer and that answer only. I've gone back and started from the beginning over and over again.

:'''Madoka:''' That means... Huh?
[[File:Homura gives Madoka a hung.gif|right|150px]]
:'''Homura:''' I'm sorry. I'm sure you don't get any of this. I'm sure you're put off (disgusted) by all of this. To you, I haven't even known you for a month - I'm just some transfer student. But to me, you...

:Each time I repeat all of this, the time you and I lived grows further apart--our feelings grow further apart, and my words stop reaching you. I think I lost myself a long time ago.

:'''Madoka:''' Homura-chan...

:'''Homura:''' My desire to save you: the first emotion I had that started this all. And now that I've come this far, the only star left that will help guide my way... You don't have to understand. My words don't have to resonate within you. But still, I beg you. Let me protect you.

The erotic undertones are confirmed if someone notices the similarities of Homura's house with Utena's school. In particular the infamous nude drawing scene in the movie, where Anthy draws a naked Utena and then rips off her clothes along with her secret [http://www.ohtori.nu/galerie2/v/movie/screenshots/cap3/Movie_Screen_0574.jpg.html][http://www.ohtori.nu/galerie2/v/movie/screenshots/cap3/Movie_Screen_0575.jpg.html]. Information boards in the same style can be seen in Utena's classroom as well. [http://www.ohtori.nu/galerie2/v/movie/screenshots/cap1/Movie_Screen_0032.jpg.html]- UtenaxAnthy is one of the greatest yuri couples and whose relationship is debatable (especially in the TVseries they are shown more like friends than lovers).

===Episode 11 Images===
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:Surprise hug.png|A tender and emotional hug with a very surprised Madoka. Notice she is not pushing Homura away.
File:Homura and Madoka emotions.png|Holographic projections reacting to Homura's strong emotions
File:Homura and Madoka emotional scene ep 11.png|There is a great emotional build up with momentum at this scene. Perhaps a kiss scene next?
File:Homura Madoka let me protect you ep 11.png|Homura promises to protect Madoka, even though to Madoka she is just a stranger. Is this love?
</gallery>
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<gallery>
File:Homura kisses Madoka fanart.jpg|A missed opportunity/scene that SHAFT will never animate.
File:Cruel Ending.png|But this is Urobuchi's world, where the power of love means nothing...
File:Homura game over.png|Urobuchi hates yuri...
</gallery>

===Episode 11 Trivia===
*In the audio commentary for [[Episode 11]], Chiwa Saito (Homura) found the confession scene to be touching and emotional, and left her with a huge impression. She confesses that she cried.
** Aoi Yuuki (Madoka) found the scene to be amazing and filled her with emotions. Aoi Yuuki felt that her and Madoka became synchronized during the emotional scene. Aoi Yuuki believes that, surely Madoka would have accepted Homura's feelings.

=== Episode 12: Yuri End? ===
<blockquote>''"Magical girls make hopes and dreams come true, after all. I'm sure if it's small enough, a real miracle just might happen. "Isn't that right?" --"Madoka, don't go!" "I'm sorry. I have to go meet up with everyone else. I'll be able to see you again someday. So until then, we'll be apart for a little bit." --"Madoka!!"'' - Madoka not saying "goodbye" but "see you later" to Homura. </blockquote>

[[File:Yuri evidence madoka.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The Yuri subtext is strong on this one]]
Just like the ending with [[Episode 9|Kyoko and Sayaka]], there is speculation with fans regarding Homura's relationship with Madoka and her willingness to sacrifice it all for her. {{spoiler|On this new world Sayaka dies but she has no regrets, and Kyoko laments her death just when they have become friends (fans have interpreted this in many ways).}}

In Episode 10, we learn that Homura was willing to create new timelines for all eternity just for Madoka. {{Spoiler|Once she learns that each new time line she creates only makes Madoka's fate into becoming a witch stronger, Homura starts to have doubts, but also becomes more resolute to save Madoka from her fate. Kyubey contests that Homura's hope is a trap, and that it is only a matter of time before despair consumes her. In Episode 11 Homura and Madoka have a conversation in which Homura confesses everything to Madoka: she professes her love for her, as well as how important Madoka is to her (this has been interpreted as a love confession, but others see it as a sign of deep friendship). At the end of Episode 11, Homura is tempted to travel back again for a "do-over," but she stops and gives up, knowing that it was her fault that Madoka now carries such a heavy cosmic karma. She realizes that the more she travels back in time the more certain it is that she will fail, as Homura has created a powerful reservoir of despair-based energy from different timelines -- all of them concentrating on Madoka. To end Madoka's suffering and her own, Homura comes close to becoming a witch; however, Madoka stops her and tells her to never stop hoping.}}

{{Spoiler|Once Madoka defeats the Witch version of herself, she creates a paradox: Madoka has become a deity of sorts, but at the cost that Madoka the person ceases to exist in her own world. Homura is not happy with this outcome, but Madoka promises to Homura that she will always be there for her, and that she hopes that one day they would meet again.}}
[[File:Madoka giving ribbons.gif|right]]
*It is indicated that in the original Japanese lines at least, there is no Yuri expression. The relationship between Madoka and Homura can be interpreted as being important friends to each other. There are fans who point out that the nature of Homura and Madoka's relationship can be expressed as "親友" (shin-yu or best friend) which is generally different from romantic relationships.
**Then again fans like to [[:File:Yuri_evidence_madoka.jpg|present their evidence]] of the existence of yuri subtext as a possibility.
**Aside from the Utena reference in episode 9, other evidence yuri fans have included the following: {{Spoiler|The similarity to the KnM pose during the Homura and Madoka's extended nude embrace scene in episode 12. The gift of red ribbons from Madoka to Homura, which is similar to director Shinbo's prior work of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha between Nanoha and Fate, a favorite pairing among yuri fans, who also refer to each other as best friends. Some fans suggest the red ribbons may also represent the red string of fate, as "two people connected by the red thread are destined lovers, regardless of time, place or circumstances."}} Yuri fans also believe that Homura's single-minded, ceaseless desire to do anything for Madoka goes beyond friendship.
**Previous timelines (and [[Drama CD 1|Drama Cds]]) indicate that there were times when Homura was able to maintain a close relationship with Madoka. But with each reset, Madoka's feeling for Homura grew distant as key events started to change with each iteration, so their mutual feelings for each other that once existed in previous versions started to grow further and further apart (at least from Homura's perspective). In an interview with Urobuchi, he indicates that it required Madoka to acquire {{spoiler|godlike powers to finally fully understand Homura's feelings and her resolve to save her. But this outcome comes with a price for they must be separated once again.}} [[Shinjidai no Mixture Magazine BLACK PAST|According to Urobuchi]] "in a sense it is a cruel story". ''(even Urobuchi thinks he was too cruel).''
**Fans have pointed out that Kalafina's full lyrics of [[Magia]], from the second verse to the last chorus, has been interpreted as a love song from Homura to Madoka. The verses to "Connect" (コネクト, Konekuto?) by ClariS, playing at the end of episode 10, also strongly indicate this is sung from Homura's perspective.

*Yuri fan art depicting this pair have already existed for a while but it has increased after the airing of Episode 12, you can find most of them [http://www.pixiv.net/tags.php?tag=%E3%81%BB%E3%82%80%E3%81%BE%E3%81%A9 on pixiv.]

*Fans of yuri have ranked "Puella Magi Madoka Magica" [http://anime.biglobe.ne.jp/userranking/title/5306/ as #1] at the [http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2011/05/08/top-10-yuri-anime/ top ranking] of Yuri Anime, toppling [[Wikipedia:Kannazuki_no_Miko|Kannazuki no Miko]].

===Episode 12 Trivia===
*In the audio commentary for [[Episode 12]], with the possibility of a second season, Chiwa Saito asks Gen Urobuchi for a love-love scene with Madoka.
**Aoi Yuuki agrees with Chiwa Saito by replying, ''"I want to be happy~"''.
***To their dismay, Ume Aoki warns Chiwa Saito and Aoi Yuuki that Gen Urobuchi doesnt give away happiness that easily.
****Then again, this is [[:file:Audio comm ep 12 4chan gen urobuchi troll.jpg|Gen Urobuchi we are speaking.]]

=== Episode 12 Gallery Analysis ===
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:KnM Madoka ver.jpg|Similarities between Kannazuki no Miko and Madoka
File:Homumado ep 12.jpg|Three words: Naked space hug.
File:Wewillmeetagain.jpg|Madoka promises Homura that they will meet again, someday.
File:Lilies.jpg|Lily petals. Can't get more yuri than that.
File:Chikane Himemiya and Akemi Homura yuri archers comparison.jpg|Homura possesses a new (?) weapon in the new world, a magical bow.
File:Knm homura i miss u.jpg|''I wish I knew how to quit you...''
File:BD 6 Ep 12 SS 01.jpg|The Blu-ray version has "nudity" in naked space hugs, enhancing its yuri level up to 1000%.
File:BD 6 Ep 12 SS 02.jpg|Homura's happiness looks enhanced as well.
</gallery>

=== Manga Difference: The Miracle===
The Manga shows an additional scene that brings closure to the Madoka and Homura character. We don't know how their meeting was possible, if their encounter is taking place within the (yuri) Afterlife, or if it is the result of a Miracle. All we know is that Homura finally reunites with Madoka, only this time Homura has been reverted to her original self (Moemura). It has been interpreted as a symbolic attempt to start over their relationship for their journey to the unknown.

One possible explanation as to why Homura's image and character was reverted is that Homura was always full of insecurities, that the tough exterior was a necessity to create a mask to cover her grief over the death of Madoka. Now that Homura has been freed from despair she reverts back to her old self, to a time when Madoka and Homura had their strongest emotional bond together before she ditched her glasses and braids. Some have interpreted the "Cool Homura" (or Badass Homura) image as something Homura associates with her time of bad memories and difficult struggles. Now that her struggle is over Homura ditches her cool image and she reverts back to her old self so she can continue her relationship with Madoka where it was left off.

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=== Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable: Homuslap event transcript===
To Yuri fans this is considered an alternative (love) confession to [[Episode 11]] (or a parody of [[Episode 11]]), if events had been changed but the emotional bond had remained the same. Some fans have interpreted the scene as either Homura being honestly blunt or having a weird love confession toward Madoka:

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!style="text-align:left; padding:10px;"|Full transcript of Homu's Madoslap event in the bonus route:
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Madoka: Mami-san's going to release a CD... Everything's going great for Sayaka-chan with Kyousuke-kun, too, and Kyouko-chan is getting along with Sayaka-chan.

Madoka: Everyone is changing in lots of ways... but what's changed for me?

Homura: Do you want to change something?

Madoka: Homura-chan... When did you...?

Homura: Never mind that. So, do you want to change, Madoka?

Madoka: I think maybe it's less like I want to change than like I feel like I have to change.

Madoka: See, there's nothing that I really want to be. Not like Mami-san, Sayaka-chan, or Kyouko-chan.

Madoka: But it's kind of hard just watching that.

Madoka: Because I... became a magical girl with nothing but "I want to be a magical girl"...

Madoka: I guess a girl who can't do anything except being a magical girl is no good.

Madoka: I guess I'm jealous of everyone seeming like they're having so much fun right now.

Madoka: I can't do anything at all besides being a magical girl. I'm a clumsy, slow... useless girl.

Homura: That's not true!

(slap)

Madoka: Kya!

Homura: Madoka, you're a clumsy and slow... and absolutely adorable magical girl! What else do you want?!

Madoka: That... isn't a compliment...

Homura: I... I... you.... over and over... That's why you have to stay you...

Homura: Never change, the way you are now... Have confidence in yourself!!

Homura: You... You're... someone very important and precious to me. Even though you may not remember.

Madoka: Um, Homura-chan. I don't really understand, but I think I kind of get it anyway.

Homura: Thank you... I'm sorry for hitting you even though you don't really understand.

Madoka: No, it's okay. You're just trying to get things across to me.

Madoka: I think it's probably my fault... But can I say just one thing?

Homura: What?

Madoka: ... I did want you to deny that I'm clumsy and slow, a little.

Homura: (automatically) I'm sorry...

Madoka: I knew it, you really do think that about me.

Homura: Uh, um, well...

(Madoka's emotion value increased 20 points)
|}

=== Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable: Homura's Sacrifice ===

[[File:Madoka Portable Homura Goodnight.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Homura dies with a smile on her face.]]

In one of the alternate [[Madoka Magica Portable Homura Route|Homura route]]s of [[Madoka Magica Portable|Madoka Portable game]], Homura fights against Walpurgis Night by herself. The game subtext has a strong resonance to [[:wikipedia:Star-crossed|star-crossed lovers]], with a sad bittersweet ending.

Prior to Walpurgis' arrival, Madoka begs Homura to take her along with her. Homura refuses, telling her that it would be safer if she stays in the shelter. Madoka then asks Homura to promise her that she will return safely, and that if she can't promise her that, then to come back with her to the shelter. Apparently, Madoka cares more about Homura's survival than she does about Walpurgis destroying the city. Homura reassures Madoka that she will be fine, and promises her that she will return alive to her. However, Homura's inner thoughts reveal that this is a lie and apologizes to Madoka for lying to her as it is an impossible promise to keep.

Homura finally defeats Walpurgis Night, but it comes with a cost, the fight against the Witch was too much for Homura and she knows that she is dying from her injuries. Madoka finds Homura as she lays mortally wounded. She wants Homura to get some medical help, but Homura begs Madoka to stay with her on her last moments. Homura tells Madoka that she finally won, that she was able to finally save Madoka. Homura confesses that she is very happy, after repeating endless cycles, her real wish was finally granted: to be able to change Madoka's fate. Madoka, in tears, tells Homura that it doesn't mean anything without Homura by her side. She understands that Homura has been protecting her all this time, she pleads to Homura to don't leave her, to don't leave her by herself.

Homura tells Madoka that it will be ok, that Madoka wont be alone since she has other important people in her life. Then Homura asks Madoka not to grieve so much, because it hurts her to see Madoka sad. Then on Homura's last words, she tells her that she is very glad to have Madoka there for her in her last moments, and thanks Madoka for letting Homura protect her like she always wished. Homura dies in Madoka's arms, with her last thoughts being that she got the wish she always wanted, she has no regrets nor doubts about sacrificing herself for Madoka. Homura dies with no regrets within her heart.
*There is a suspicion that there is a correlation between a magical girl dying while having regrets in their hearts, and becoming witches in the process. Since Homura died with no regrets in her heart, she never became a Witch. This implies that Homura's love for Madoka was able to overcome the transformation process and that she was sincere on saving the person she loved.
*If Homura fails to defeat Walpurgis Night, she becomes a witch... [[Homulilly|her naming]] lacks subtlety but it is clever:

[[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata#Legends|Stories and Legends Regarding the Red Spider Lily]]

:Since these scarlet flowers usually bloom near cemeteries around the autumnal equinox, they are described in Chinese and Japanese translations of the [[wikipedia:Lotus_Sutra|Lotus Sutra]] as ominous flowers that grow in [[wikipedia:Diyu|Diyu]] (also known as Hell), or Huángquán (Simplified Chinese: 黄泉; Traditional Chinese: 黃泉), and guide the dead into the next reincarnation. 
:When the flowers of ''lycoris'' bloom, their leaves would have fallen; when their leaves grow, the flowers would have wilted. This habit gave rise to various legends. A famous one is the legend of two elves: Mañju (Simplified Chinese: 曼珠; Traditional Chinese: 曼珠), who guarded the flower, and Saka (Simplified Chinese: 沙华; Traditional Chinese: 沙華), who guarded the leaves. Out of curiosity, they defied their fate of guarding the herb alone, and managed to meet each other. At first sight, they fell in love with each other. [[wikipedia:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]], exasperated by their waywardness, separated the miserable couple, and laid a curse on them as a punishment: the flowers of Mañju shall never meet the leaves of Saka again. It was said that when the couple met after death in Diyu, they vowed to meet each other after reincarnation. However, neither of them could keep their words. In commemoration of the couple, some call the herbs 'Mañjusaka' (Simplified Chinese:曼珠沙华; Traditional Chinese: 曼珠沙華), a mixture of 'Mañju' and 'Saka', instead of their scientific name. The same name is used in Japanese, in which it is pronounced ''manjushage''. 
:Some other legends have it that when you see someone that you may never meet again, these flowers, also called red spider lilies, would bloom along the path. Perhaps because of these sorrowful legends, Japanese people often used these flowers in funerals. The popular Japanese name {{nihongo|''Higanbana''|彼岸花|Higan bana}} for lycoris radiata literally means [[wikipedia:higan|higan]] (the other or that shore of [[wikipedia:Sanzu_River|Sanzu River]]) flower, decorate and enjoyable, flower of afterlife in {{nihongo|''gokuraku jyōdo''|極楽浄土|gokuraku jyōdo}}. 

=== Official HomuMado Pictures ===
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File:Madoka and homura naked space hug art novel page.jpg|Oh, yeah! Naked space hugs in the NitroPlus novel!
File:Madoka hug Homura.gif|Madoka hugs Homura
File:Homura with Madoka.gif
File:Homura embracing madoka ep 11 confession.gif
File:Disc 1.jpg
File:MadokaMagica Vol 3.jpg
File:Manga chapter illustrating a HomuMado Pair.png|Manga Sample: Unlike the anime version. The manga version seems to have a not so subtle HomuMado illustration constructed in the imaginative mind of Sayaka. Clearly, she is a fan.
File:Guidebook ep 11 confession scene.jpg|From the [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Official Guidebook "You Are Not Alone"]]. Reaction to the ''"confession"'' scene.
File:Homura Madoka illustration sample.jpg|Official Illustration: Subtext yuri/friendship sells, and SHAFT knows it. They have cornered the "Friendship" and "Yuri" market.
File:Sample official art madoka homura dressing.jpg|
File:Mahou-shoujo-madoka-magica-2418699.jpg
File:NewType 05.2011 Scan 1.jpg|Moemura + Yuri = Profit.
File:Front cover homumado - you are not alone.jpg
File:Guidebook Early Illustrations 03.jpg
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File:Copia de Guidebook Early Illustrations 04.jpg
File:Source TBD Scan 1.jpg|Card reads: ''"Dear Kaname Madoka."'' ''"...."'' ''by Homura''. The red circle says, ''"What Saitou Chiwa-san imagined Homura's Valentine's message would be"'' and the card underneath (I assume a quote from Saitou Chiwa herself) reads, ''"She's the type to overthink it and end up unable to properly say what she wants to say (laugh)."''
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File:MM 11.2011 01.jpg|Notice Homura's [[:file:Homura dat gaze.jpg|loving gaze]].
File:Magia Anime Cover.jpg|The official artwork that started it all.
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File:Megami Lily.jpg|If you look hard enough you will see the homumado.
File:MadoHomu Lily megami improved scan.jpg|The HomuMado pairing in full display.
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File:NewType 02.2012 01.jpg|NewType magazine, Feb 2012 issue. Why choose when she can have both?
File:Ume Aoki Homura Madoka.jpg|Ume Aoki ships Homumado too!
File:HomuMado mobage Valentine edited and translated.jpg|Homura gives Madoka [[Mobage_Madoka_Magica_Mobile_Game#Translation:_Homura_Gives_Madoka_Valentine.27s_Chocolates|Valentine's Chocolates.]]
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File:Translated and edited lines Being a Bride is a Girl's Dream.jpg|Actual lines from the [[Mobage_Madoka_Magica_Mobile_Game#Translation:_Being_a_Bride_is_a_Girl.27s_Dream|Mobage game.]]
File:Www.dotup.org2727331.jpg|Behold, the yuri now in merchandise form.
File:HomuMado Bed.jpg|Seriously, Shaft. You are not even trying to hide it anymore, are you?
File:Madoka Portable - Madoka invites Homura for dinner English translation.png|Guess who's coming for dinner to meet her future in-laws?
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=== Fanart response to HomuMado ===
{{fanartSmall}}
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:Madoka homura field of flowers fanart.jpg|Madoka and Homura in Yuri Heaven.
File:Episode 12 Yuri Wedding.jpg|According with some fans Madoka could be wearing a wedding dress. Homura's has this black/purple theme that makes it look like a groom's suit.
File:KnM Madoka style.jpg|'nuff said
File:Kn M take two.jpg|so yuri it created an alternate
File:Fanart naked space hug.jpg|Naked space hug...
File:KamiDoka & Homura yuri pose.png
File:HomuMado fanart of ep 12.jpg|Thank Madokami for the Internet!
File:MadoKami is watching over you.jpg|Experts believe that Madoka as a transcended being has witnessed all events in the past, present, and future making her all knowing. Same experts hope that Madoka is a forgiving and benevolent God and less of the wrathful kind.
File:Friendzonedmadohomu.jpg|Some fans perceive Madoka referring to Homura as a best friend as evidence against yuri.
File:Madoka Get.jpg|Fans of yuri perceive friendship to be the next stepping stone into a more serious relationship.
File:Homura waifu Madoka Waifu.jpg|Badass Homura in a wedding dress. Have yurifans gone too far?
File:Tall, Dark and Bishoujo archetype update.jpg|It is still not too late for SHAFT to release an "adult" version of Episode 12 to finish this chart!
File:HomuMado Kiss fanart black and white.jpg|
File:Homumado oh my stars.jpg
File:Madokami nanofate.jpg|FUND IT.
File:Homumado magial baby.jpg|How are babies made between girls? With magic!
File:20954053 p9.jpg|Not even Kyubey knows where magic babies come from.
File:(Hikari) MadoHomu Pajama.png|This fan work brought you by takeallmymoney.jpg
File:Amazon shipping HomuMado.jpg|Amazon frequently ships these two together.
File:Junko approves homumado.jpg
File:Namori fanart pixiv.jpg|art by [http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=124923 Namori]
File:Homura chikane we are the same.png|Fans have noticed several similarities between Chikane and Homura, except "there".
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File:Homumado together crying fanart.jpg
File:Homuhomu home comic.jpg
File:Homurambo gets all the Madokas even witches too.jpg
File:Homuhomu play Madoka.gif
File:I stole it.jpg
File:Madoka is that way moemura.jpg
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File:Moemura with madoka in space.jpg|Sacrilige! No naked space hugs!
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File:Homu homu same sex marriage madokami homura fanart.jpg
File:Audio com ep 11 and 12 4chan.jpg|
File:The bizarre adventures of homuhomu.jpg
File:GretchLilly Love.jpg|Cthulhu approves!
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=== HomuMado Trivia ===
*Yurifans call Homura's affection for Madoka as the ''"Homulust"''.
**Sometimes fans refer Homura's sexual orientation as being ''"Madosexual"''.
*This yuri pair is usually called HomuMado by fans, indicating Homura to be the dominant in the relationship and Madoka to be the submissive one. Sometimes fans of yuri create or see a role reversal on this pair, in which case the pair is labeled as MadoHomu or also known as the ''"Reverse Homulust"''.
*The premise of the story in Hanokage's comic in [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Anthology 1|Puella Magi Madoka Magica Anthology]] is that Homura built a simulation game to interact with real life people and of course Homura uses it to interact with a virtual Madoka.
*Ume-tentei is not above adding yuri subtext in her [[Ume_Aoki#Doujin_Gallery|Madoka doujin]].
*The audio at the [[Movic Madoka Magica Exhibit]] has [[Movic_Madoka_Magica_Exhibit#Audio_Translation|Madoka going homusexual for Moemura]].
**Apparently, the exhibit makes it sound like Madoka has a [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Meganekko Meganekko] fetish.
*Homura and Madoka take first place as a yuri couple at the [[Megami 2012-02|Megami reader's poll]].
*In the Audio Commentary for [[Episode 7]], Chiwa Saito said the following words, ''[[:file:Chiwa Saito madoka love.jpg|"I'm already... Madoka Love"]]''.
*In the [[Madoka Magica Portable|PSP game]], when Madoka invites Homura to dinner with her family, her dad comments that Homura is beautiful as they were told by Madoka. Junto then mentions that Madoka has been talking a lot about Homura, [[:file:Madoka Portable - Madoka invites Homura for dinner English translation.png|almost like she's in love!]] Madoka gets embarrassed by this comment and tells her not to say such things in front of her friend. (Fans would point out that Madoka didn't deny what her mom said!)
**When Junko meets Homura, she states, "She looks and acts just like me when I was her age…"
***[[100_Questions#Madoka_2|Madoka's Questionare:]]
::Do you have any marriage desires?
::Madoka: "Would be nice if I can find a cool husband like [that resembles] my Mama..."
*In the [[Madoka Magica Portable|PSP game]], Madoka with her low self-esteem tells Homura that she feels worthless. Homura slaps Madoka telling her, "Madoka, you're a clumsy and slow... and absolutely adorable magical girl! What else do you want?!". Making it into an awkward love confession.
**Madoka was actually hoping Homura would deny Madoka's self-deprecating statement. Instead, Madoka confronts Homura that she sees her that way, which puts Homura in an awkward position.
***We can add clumsy, slow, and absolutely adorable in Homura's likes.
*On April 1, 2012 at the Nico Nico stream of the April 1st talk show, Chiwa Saito mentions that she ships MadoHomu, her fellow seiyuu's echo the same sentiment.
*In the [[Madoka Magica Portable Mami Route|Mami route]] of the [[Madoka Magica Portable|PSP game]], glasses Homura tries to get closer to Madoka after being saved from a witch. Sayaka and Mami start to notice how close glasses Homura and Madoka are getting, so much so that they look adorable. This makes Sayaka and Mami jealous of them. Homura can only think about how wonderful and cool Madoka is (Mami is not even an afterthought, in her own route no less and Homura only sees her as a kind senior).
**Sayaka is so jealous, that she even turned down an offer from [[Kyousuke Kamijou|Kamijou]] to walk home together, or have lunch with him.
***Even Hitomi thinks there is something going on when she sees Madoka getting closer to Homura. After mentioning the possibility of "forbidden love" between girls, Hitomi adds that she thought Madoka had a forbidden relationship with Sayaka, but now Madoka was having an illicit relationship with Homura after they just met, "Is this what they call a love triangle?!"
*There is a role reversal in [[Madoka Magica Portable|the game]] where magical girl Madoka becomes the stalker to human glasses Homura.
**The first day when Homura arrives at school, Madoka keeps looking for Homura, even following her to the roof. Every time Madoka sees Homura, she wants to take her to the nurse's office.
***Homura is too self-conscious and doesn't want to project the idea that she is helpless, so she keeps turning down Madoka's offer, but this doesn't deter Madoka's will. In fact, it only encourages Madoka to keep trying as she cannot leave Homura alone.
**Homura is so attached to Madoka that she wants to join her on her hunt for witches as a human, she even decides to buy a golf club so Madoka doesn't have to worry about Homura's safety so Madoka can concentrate on her own fights.
***Kyubey notices that Homura and Madoka are very close to each other. With Homura at Madoka's side, Madoka is more determined to become stronger as a magical girl so she can protect Homura. This is a huge role reversal from the original series.
****If Homura learns the truth about witches before she contracts, she would still desire to save Madoka knowing full well the consequences. It demonstrates a strong devotion that Homura has for Madoka.
*In the [[Madoka Magica Portable Sayaka Route|Sayaka route of the PSP game]], Homura tells Madoka that she enjoys spending time with her while making bombs with Madoka's help. Homura realizes that it is strange that she is having fun while the two of them are doing something so dangerous like making bombs. Madoka refutes her, telling her it is not weird at all and that she considers Homura to be more than a classmate, to Madoka she is an important friend.
*On the day when all the girls are fighting against Walpurgis, when Madoka shows up, Homura would tells her that they are all fighting to protect everyone. However, Homura adds that she is personally fighting to protect Madoka. This is how everyone's response is in the game:
::Mami: !!
::Sayaka: !!
::Kyouko: !!
::The only one who isn't showing a response is Madoka as she already knew.
:::*Then Homura adds that she wouldnt know what to fight for if Madoka died. It almost feels a little bit like a love confession.

==Sayaka and Kyoko==

[[File:Kyouko sayaka madoka homura.jpg|center|thumb|400px|<center>Fanart interpretation of [[Episode 9]]</center>]]

<blockquote>''"Don't worry, Sayaka." "It's lonely being by yourself." "It's fine. I'll stay by your side, Sayaka."'' - [[Kyoko Sakura]] dying with [[Sayaka Miki]] in [[Episode 9]]</blockquote>

===Anime and Yuri Subtext===
[[File:Great minds think alike.jpg|right|thumb|250px|]]
It is common to find yuri subtext on the Mahou Shoujo genre, sometimes it develops into shippings or pairings created by fans, even if it was not part of the creators original intention. The creators of the show may have been aware of this phenomenon so they decided to exploit the same yuri subtext phenomenon when it came to the relationship between Kyoko and Sayaka. However, the yuri subtext mostly comes from Kyoko making it one-sided; while it is officially recognized that Kyoko has feelings for Sayaka, it is uncertain what types of feelings they are. Fans would argue that Sayaka just never had the chance to return these feelings, and Kyoko was never really good in articulating them.

Many fans point out that the reason these two are paired up together is because of their opposing personalities. Sayaka and Kyoko differ not only philosophically but their personalities are bound to cause clashes; yet they are not that dissimilar once you study these characters. Sayaka is an idealist who pursues the path of a hero of justice, she wants to emulate Mami as an example of an ideal Puella Magi. To Sayaka the gift of being a Puella Magi was something sacred to be used for good only and not for selfish acts. Kyoko on the other hand is more of a rogue who would only use her powers to satiate her base desires. Kyoko scoffs at the idea of using her powers to help others, instead she believes a Puella Magi should only help herself (even at the expense of others). To Kyoko there are no rules except her own.

This unlikely pair started out as enemies and
Kyoko was close on killing Sayaka, but as the story progressed it was Kyoko who took the first step to close their gap of distrust. Kyoko even went so far as to explain to Sayaka her painful past and to why she believes Sayaka is making a mistake with her life. But Sayaka refuses Kyoko's advice and subtly proclaims she will be a better Puella Magi than her, that she will still follow a righteous path. Sayaka's arrogance at first seems to anger Kyoko (it is not known if she is angry at Sayaka, at herself, or both) but this doesn't stop her from continually pursuing Sayaka to stop her from furthering her mistakes. (Some fans like to suggest that this moment would have alienated any other character from trying to pursue a friendship with Sayaka, yet it seems to have an opposite effect with Kyoko).

Soon the roles are reversed in Episode 8 and 9. Sayaka finally admits that deep down she was no different from others, that she had selfish desires that were never fulfilled and that she regrets her decision on becoming a Puella Magi (like the love of a boy that went unfulfilled, or the jealous regret of saving a friend's life). She starts to see society as a selfish group who would only exploit others with no remorse for those who suffer. Sayaka finally understands that her decision brought nothing but unhappiness and regrets on her part. Betrayed by the world and by her ideals she soon falls into despair and darkness. It is because of this event that Kyoko soon starts to reveal a different side of her.

With the loss of Sayaka, Kyoko starts to reclaim back her older self. She admits to Madoka that there was a time she used to idealize stories of love, friendship, and courage but she abandoned those ideals when she lost her family. After seeing Sayaka's despair, Kyoko decides that she wants to save her and get the old Sayaka back. Kyoko was putting her faith on romantic ideals, a move that many would like to point out as being irrational and dangerous (even [[Kyubey]] agrees such a notion is illogical). Once Kyoko realizes that there is no way to save Sayaka, she decides to sacrifice her life so they could both be together. That way Sayaka wont be alone anymore. There is a division among fans regarding Kyoko's decision to die with Sayaka. There are those who say Kyoko did it as an act of love (the tragic yuri pair or maybe an act of friendship), others say Kyoko knew that even if she did survive it would only be a matter of time before she became a witch so she wanted to end her life her own way (a self sacrifice with practical motives). However, the reason that Kyoko would give up her own life to avoid becoming a witch looks a little unstable, as there is a scene in the episode where what appears to be the souls of both girls, colored respectively in blue and red, embracing each other tenderly before disappearing for good. By this logic, it is unlikely that Kyoko will make one last attempt to reach out to Sayaka before they both faded away if she never saw Sayaka as someone who is more than just a friend, and that the only purpose of her death was to escape her eventual fate of being a Puella Magi.

To fans that support the yuri relationship, the reason that they find this pair strong and attractive is because they want Sayaka to be with someone who can love her and protect her. Kyoko was the only character who understood Sayaka's true nature (and her pain) since Kyoko admitted to her that she saw a fragment of herself in Sayaka. Kyoko was also the only one who chased after her to the bitter end, no matter the obstacles or how obstinate Sayaka was, Kyoko was still there for her. Last but not least, another strong indicator of Kyoko's feelings for Sayaka is shown in the last episode of the anime, where she is the only one who takes Sayaka's death the most personally, in spite of trying to brush it off as simply because they "finally had a chance to become friends". Kyoko fits the perfect role as Sayaka's protector and savior.

The relationship between Kyoko and Sayaka may have not been accidental or a tease but created to heighten emotional investments by the viewers. It is possible that this was part of the creator's intention to emotionally move groups of hardcore fans who support a SayakaxKyoko pairing, thus making their demise in Episode 9 more tragic (or as fans put it a "Yuri Tragedy" ending).

[[File:21354222 p8.png|right|thumb|200px|Trivia: Prior to the mid 19th century, [http://www.underwatertimes.com/news.php?article_id=05297681013 lonely delirious mariners] referred to [[wikipedia:Manatee#Culture|manatees as mermaids]]. I am not kidding.]]

*'''The Melusine Legend and Kyoko's Soul Gem:''' There is a [[wikipedia:Melusine|Melusine]] legend that indicates that ''"a Melusina surfaces briefly every seven years as a beautiful woman or as a serpent, holding a small golden key in her mouth. Whoever takes the key from her will set her free and may claim her as his bride."'' In Episode 9, Kyoko undoes her hair and then uses her hairpin to pray, it is uncertain but it seems that her Soul Gem and her hairpin were fused together to create a new hairpin with a shape that resembles that of her father's religious symbol. After Sayaka's prayer she kisses the newly formed hairpin and tosses it into the air (before she destroys it with her spear), maybe as an offering to Sayaka to free her from her Witch form by sacrificing Kyoko's soul. The shape of the normal hairpin and of the Soul Gem fused hairpin looks like of a golden key. Sayaka's witch form could also be a reference to the [http://pastebin.com/gCGG8Ljf Little Mermaid story.]

*'''The Legend of Unicorns and Magical Horns:''' During the Blu-ray version of [[Episode 9]], there were wind-chimes depicting a Mermaid and a Unicorn. The unicorn is considered to be a wild, powerful, temperamental beast that could only be tamed by a maiden. A unicorn's horn is said to have the power to cleanse poisoned water and heal sickness. Another of its magical properties is the ability to lift curses and break illusions. It is suspected that Kyoko is compared to the unicorn because of its characteristics as well as the horn's magical properties. Both Kyoko and the unicorn are wild and temperamental creatures, free to roam and do whatever they want. Kyoko at one time had the power of illusion as well as the ability to break them (''"shining light on illusions"'', according to a [[Megami_Magazine_2011-07|magazine article]]). The Unicorn's magical properties resides within its horn, and Kyoko's magical weapon is a spear. Fans speculate that Kyoko's spear could be a reference to a unicorn's horn. Another comparison is Kyoko's attempt to break Sayaka's curse during [[Episode 9]]. Since a unicorn's horn can magically cleanse poisoned water and the mermaid has connotation to the elements of water (in this case, the elements of water corrupted by the witch form), it could be interpreted as her attempt to purify its element back to its original form (in this case turn Sayaka back to normal). It is suggested that Sayaka is the maiden because she was the only one who was able to "tame" Kyoko. As Kyoko explained before, the only reason she got close to Sayaka was because Sayaka's idealism reminded Kyoko of her innocent, naive yet idealistic self.
**The Unicorn symbolism seems to be implied in the [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]] game: See [[Ophelia]].

*The double-suicide is considered typical in romantic endings for two tragic lovers in Japanese storytelling. Many fans would point this fact as evidence for making this couple canon.

*After the airing of [[Episode 9]], yuri artwork of this pair exploded on [http://www.pixiv.net/tags.php?tag=%E6%9D%8F%E3%81%95%E3%82%84 Pixiv].

*Listen to the duet character song "[[And I'm Home]]" with [[Kyoko Sakura]] and [[Sayaka Miki]] ([http://myanimelist.net/people/32/Ai_Nonaka Ai Nonaka] and [http://myanimelist.net/people/413/Eri_Kitamura Eri Kitamura]), many fans have interpreted the lyrics to contains yuri elements.

*Kyoko addresses Sayaka by her first name only from [[Episode 8]] and afterwards. Some suggest this is an indication of how important Sayaka is to Kyoko.

===Manga Difference: The Yuri Afterlife===
In the anime version when Kyoko dies in the explosion it is the end of her story. However, in the manga version after Kyoko dies we are presented with an image of Sayaka's back as she is sitting on the floor, presumably waiting for someone. Kyoko approaches Sayaka from behind her with an [[wikipedia:Umaibō|Umaibō]] in hand as a sign that Kyoko wants to start all over again with Sayaka (the same way she did [[Episode_9#Speculation|with Madoka]]; and perhaps redo her offering of food in [[Episode 8]]). But Sayaka, wearing a mischievous expression, instead grabs Kyoko's hand and pulls her down with her. This has been interpreted as Sayaka accepting Kyoko's affection for her; it can also be interpreted as Sayaka's preference to have Kyoko on the menu over the [[wikipedia:Umaibō|Umaibō]].

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File:Kyosaya protect your precious manga.jpg|Manga: Kyoko finally understands what is like to protect someone precious to her.
File:Kyousaya ready to die manga.jpg|Manga: Several changes were made to this scene, yet the emotional impact remains the same.
File:Kyousaya meeting you manga.jpg|Manga: This emotional (yuri) afterlife encounter was not in the anime, not that I am complaining.
File:KyoSaya afterlife manga.jpg|Manga Page: Kyoko Sakura, welcome to the yuri afterlife.
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===KyoSaya Official Gallery:===

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File:BD Cover 4.jpg
File:Manga Vol.2 Cover.jpg
File:NitroPlus Novel 01.jpg|NitroPlus Novel.
File:Kyoko sayaka art novel page.jpg|Kyoko and Sayaka. NitroPlus Novel.
File: Sayaka kyouko pocky game Nitroplus.jpg|From Nitroplus's Staff Blog: ''If they were to try to settle things peacefully, things would have gone more like this.''
File:Manga extra Kyouko and Sayaka.jpg
File:KyoSaya Hanokage.jpg|TL: "Sayakaaaaa-". From Hanokage [http://twitpic.com/4sa5yo twitter] (the author of the Madoka manga).
File:Kyosaya ume aoki doujin art fan colored.png|Ume Aoki supports a KyoSaya pairing (fan colored with official Ume Aoki's work).
File:Revolutionary Girl Utena and Madoka.png|The image on the left is from Revolutionary Girl Utena, the image on the right is from Episode 9 with Sayaka and Kyoko
File:Sayaka and Kyoko.gif|This image, according to [[Magical Girl Magazine (Otona Anime)|Otona Anime]], means Kyoko wants to save Sayaka but finally is in vain. (The blue breaks down when the red touches it)
File:Kyouko last words to Homura protect.png|Kyoko's last words to Homura. Kyoko later admits she failed to do that, maybe an admission that she failed to protect Sayaka.
File:Melusine hairpin key 2.png|There seems to be a connection between the Melusine legend and Kyoko's hairpin/soul gem and her father's religious symbol [[Yuri_undertones#Sayaka_and_Kyoko|(see above)]]
File:Blu ray mermaid unicorn ep 9.jpg|Kyoko as an [[wikipedia:unicorn|unicorn]] and Sayaka as a [[wikipedia:mermaid|mermaid]], symbolically represented in wind-chimes. See above for more details.
File:Sleepover.jpg|This official art seems to subtlety pair each girl with their respective partners (notice how Mami is alone)
File:10.jpg|Ume shipping Kyoko and Sayaka in her doujin
File:Apricot +9.jpg|Fan translation of Kyoko x Sayaka page 1
File:Yuri fan art pixiv growing.png|Yuri fans of KyoSaya seem to be pleased with these results
File:Madoka BD 5 Menu Art 2.jpg|From Volume 5 of the Blu-Ray, courtesy of Ume Aoki
File:Kyosaya i'm home pose and knm pose.jpg|A blatant attempt to evoke images of Kannazuki no Miko, or just mere artistic expression?
File:Megami poster KyouSaya.jpg|Megami poster.
File:Kyousaya sample official art.jpg|Kyousaya official art samples.
File:Twitter comment.jpg|Aipon (Kyouko's VA): I wanna get all lovey-dovey with Sayaka. KitaEri (Sayaka's VA): I wanna stick it in Aipon.
File:4chan comment living sayaka.jpg|Eri Kitamura is going to make Ai Nonaka jelly.
File:20111128 2151899.jpg
File:MadoMagi PSP PV2 001.jpg|KyoSaya CG in 2nd PV of the PSP game
File:Mobage New Years Sayaka Horrible Fortune.jpg|Sayaka's horrible fortune. [[Mobage_Madoka_Magica_Mobile_Game#Translation:_Sayaka.27s_Bad_Fortune|Is not good to be alone.]]
File:PM MDK WONDA-4.jpg
File:NyanType 04.2012 01.jpg|NyanType 2012-04
File:Series official card anime shots.jpg|Official card from the [http://www.carddas.com/madoka-magica/product/product03.html Madoka PSP game], they even added the Utena Symbolism.
File:PSP WitchKissAndGriefSeed Ophelia.jpg|The witch kiss of Kyoko's witch form has the colors of Kyoko and Sayaka
File:Sample-ee2b70f5aad4c27c3f1996aa2279bac3.jpg
File:Sample-631d2de2e6f2f546941073713b221ae2.jpg
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=== Fanart Reponse to KyoSaya===
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File: Sayaka kyouko spinoff.jpg|[http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=17167336 Source]
File: Kyoko sayaka more spinoff ova.jpg [http://hutehuteni.blog54.fc2.com/ Author's site]
File:Kyouko meets sayaka afterlife fan.gif
File:Kyouko sayaka playing.gif
File:Kyosaya ear licking fanart.jpg
File:Sayaka kissing kyouko's neck.gif
File:Kyousaya doujin soul gem sexing.png|A Yuri Doujin depicting the KyokoxSayaka pair with some steamy Soul Gem sexing
File:Yuma has two mommies.jpg|The family that Kyoko always wanted. Are you listening SHAFT? It is not too late for an OVA.
File:Kyosaya KnM.jpg
File:Kyousaya magic baby.jpg
File:Kyosaya oktavia last moment.jpg
File:736611.jpg|
File:Sample-9a9057abaeb41e47b400e68766de0075.jpg
File:50aada98012e97e93f3cc07261320a73.jpg
File:21289667 - and i'm home.jpg|a blatant interpretation of [[and I'm Home|"and I'm Home"]].
File:BD 5 ED Yuri Fan Interpretation.jpg|Illogical? Extreme? Nay, I say this is the next step to its logical conclusion.
File:Kyosaya almost 69.jpg
File:Kyosaya mermaid fanart.jpg|The Little Mermaid finally gets her prince...''err''...cess.
File:Kyouko and sayaka casual clothes on a date.jpg|Fanart response from the Megami poster.
File:KyouSaya (gumichoco).jpg|the fans even made a comic as a response from the Megami poster.
File:KyouSaya (gumichoco) p2.jpg
File:KyouSaya (gumichoco) p3.jpg
File:Kyoko sayaka dog collar.jpg
File:Sayaka and kyouko cat.gif
File:KyouSaya animated.gif
File:Ophelia oktavia adorable horse fanart.jpg|Witches need love, too!
File:Witch Love.jpg|Aw honey, let's kill some humans! <3
</gallery>

=== KyoSaya Trivia ===
*This pair is labeled as KyoSaya (or KyouSaya) by yurifans. Kyoko is seen as a tomboy who is usually depicted in the prince role and Sayaka as the tough yet feminine maiden.
*Hanokage's comic in the [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Anthology 1|Puella Magi Madoka Magica Anthology]] has Kyoko using Homura's game simulator to interact with a virtual Sayaka. Kyoko ends up playing the game for hours.
*Ume-tentei ships Kyoko and Sayaka [[Ume_Aoki#Doujin_Gallery|in her doujin]].
*The [[Movic_Madoka_Magica_Exhibit#Audio_Translation|audio]] at the [[Movic Madoka Magica Exhibit|Madoka Magica Exhibit]] makes Sayaka tsundere for Kyoko.
*In the PSP game, if Sayaka's Soul Gem is returned on time, Kyoko would try to console a depressed Sayaka as she has seen Kyousuke and Hitomi together. An upset Sayaka runs into Kyoko and cries in her arms (in case you're wondering why she doesn't go to Madoka, her best friend, is because she's always with Homura now). Kyoko talks to her, opens up about her past, and unlike in the anime, Sayaka really listens to Kyoko. You should hear how she says, "Kyoko...". Kyoko saves Sayaka, a 300 pt emotion value drops and Sayaka is almost her old cheerful self. Sayaka even suggests to Kyoko that they should be a magical girl combi (duo). Then they go fight a witch together.
*In the In the [[Madoka Magica Portable Kyoko Route|Kyouko route of the PSP game]], Sayaka becomes a witch and Kyoko tries to turn Sayaka back to normal. When Homura kills Oktavia, Kyoko falls into despair after seeing Oktavia's dead.
**In an alternate event, Kyoko will clam down when she remembers Sayaka's last words, ''"I'll bear the burden of the curse for both of us"''.
*In the True Ending of the [[Madoka Magica Portable|Madoka Portable]], Kyoko gets jealous from Sayaka's comment about how Mami would make a great wife. She tells Sayaka it is not her fault that she is sloppy.
**Sayaka forcibly strips a protesting Kyouko to have her wear Mami's school uniform (the screen goes black with Sayaka talking about how she's taking it all off), the two of them end up fighting about their lack of breast sizes.

===Yuri Kyoko Trivia===
*Every seiyuu is gay for Kyouko.
**Aoi Yuuki ([[Madoka]]) claims Kyoko to be her ''waifu'' with extreme infatuation.
***Aoi Yuuki ([[Madoka]]) declared her love for Kyoko in [[:Talk:Drama_CD_2#Info_and_DL|Magical Girls Tea Party]] CD and her desire to marry her in the audio commentary for [[Episode 5]]. Ai Nonaka questions her choice and informs her all she ever does is eat. Aoi Yuki is ok with this and declares she would just adjust.
****In same comentary Chiwa Saitou ([[Homura]]) sounds annoyed, some suggested perhaps she is jealous. But the question is, jealous of whom?
***Aoi Yuuki ([[Madoka]]) [[:file:Going gaga for kyouko.jpg|goes even more gaga]] for Kyoko in the audio commentary for [[Episode 7]], "The one I love, it's Kyouko-tan." "Kyouko-tan is the absolute best!" "it's like she isn't trying to be cool, but she's still REALLY cool."
***In the [[Talk:Key_Animation_Note|"C81 Aniplex Madoka Special Talk CD"]], not even two minutes has passed and Aoi Yuki's already fangirling over Kyouko-tan~
**Chiwa Saito ([[Homura]]) is gay for Kyoko too.
**It turns out that Ryouko Shintani ([[Hitomi]]) who is the guest for the [[Episode 7]] commentary, is another one that's gay for Kyouko too. "I love Kyouko."
**Eri Kitamura ([[Sayaka]]) is the [[:file:Twitter comment.jpg|Seme]] to Kyoko's Uke.
**Chiwa Saito ([[Homura]]) confesses that when she saw [[Episode 9|Kyoko's sacrifice scene]] with Aoi Yuuki ([[Madoka]]) and Emiri Kato ([[Kyubey]]), they all cried. They found the scene moving.

===Yuri Eri Kitamura (Sayaka) Trivia===
* Eri Kitamura (Sayaka) [[:file:4chan comment living sayaka.jpg|likes the company of other seiyuu]], besides Ai Nonaka ([[Kyoko]]).
** That is putting it too mildly, she actually enjoys [http://ambiseiy.com/2010/10/07/hayane-hayaoki-kanamemo-radio-8/ flirting] with other female seiyuu, when she isn't [http://ambiseiy.com/2010/07/26/kitamura-eri-no-choraji-175/ ogling them in their sleep or traveling with them in what she calls their honeymoon-ish] travels.

==Mami and Kyoko==
===The Senpai and Kōhai Relationship===
<blockquote>''"Thank you, Mami-san. Please take care of me!"'' - Kyoko Sakura, [[Drama CD 3]].</blockquote>
<blockquote>''"I already told you. I have no intention of using my magic for anyone else’s sake. That’s why we can’t fight witches or familiars together. But… If something were to happen to you, you would still share a grief seed with me. I can’t stand the thought of abusing your kindness."'' - Kyoko Sakura, [[Drama CD 3]].</blockquote>
<blockquote>''"I’m not your enemy! After all… After all, you were… the first magical girl who shared the same ideals as I did!"'' - Mami Tomoe, [[Drama CD 3]].</blockquote>

[[File:Kyomami cakes.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Fans suspect that Mami seduced Kyoko with promises of cakes.]]
In [[Drama CD 3|the Drama CD, titled ''Farewell Story'']], Mami and Kyoko's first meeting is detailed. The two fought witches together, and Kyoko even introduced Mami to her family, reminiscent of a girl bringing home a prospective spouse to meet her parents. Their early relationship could be described as between a senpai and kōhai (as Kyoko and Mami themselves describe it), but yuri fans suspect there is more to it. Sadly, Kyoko never calls her senpai the much coveted title [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OneeSama "Onee-sama"].

After Kyoko's family tragedy she tries to leave Mitakihara, intending to work alone. She had lost her "Rosso Phantasma" ability (named by Mami), and got injured by a witch. Mami, worried about Kyoko, doesn't want her to leave, as she had grown very attached to the younger girl. But Kyoko refuses to listen to her so they both end up fighting each other and Kyoko wins. Kyoko warns Mami that she wont be merciful next time; she leaves while Mami cries over her loss realizing that she is alone once again. Before Kyoko leaves, she reassures Mami that she will meet other girls who are suited to her expectations. In the anime timeline, they never meet again. Kyoko only returns to Mitakihara after Mami's passing, which may imply that she regretted her past actions and wished to avoid another confrontation with her former senpai by entering her territory again.

Some fans suspect that the reason Kyoko fought with Mami was so she could end her relationship with her early, before it turned ugly. It is indicated by Kyoko that if they continued to stay together, they would only fight and bicker with each other because of their differences in their beliefs, and perhaps end up hating each other in the process. Others suspect that because Kyoko lost her secondary power, she feared that she would be putting Mami at risk, so she didn't want to become a burden. Perhaps Kyoko was afraid that Mami would also end up dead because of her, just like her family was.

Fans suspect that Mami's interaction as a senpai with Sayaka and Madoka was a bit distant, and that Mami might still have carried the lingering memory that she shared with Kyoko and feared it would become painful if she got too close with her new kôhai. Another possibility is that Mami feared she would be alone again once [[Madoka]] and [[Sayaka]] saw how difficult the world of a Puella Magi was; or maybe Mami was still hopeful that Kyoko would come back to her.

=== KyoMami Trivia ===
*According with [[Drama CD 3|Kyoko's mother]], Mami is the first ''"friend"'' Kyoko ever brought home. The significance is clearly important for yuri fans.
*The fan name for this pairing is KyoMami, but MamiKyo/MamiKo is acceptable as well.
*It should be noted that in [[Oriko Magica]], while their interactions in chapter 3 weren't particularly friendly, they don't seem to be in bad terms either. Given their status as magical girls and their differences (which in most cases may lead to fights or competition for the Grief Seeds), it could be suspected that they decided to maintain an unspoken truce.
** It should also be noted that despite Kyoko's distance from Mami, she (along with [[Yuma]]) came to her aid when Kyubey told them of the situation, implying that Kyoko still cares at least somewhat for her former senpai.
*The [[Madoka Magica Portable|PSP game]] explores more about their relationship after they got separated
** In Mami's route, Kyoko returns to Mitakihara to meet her, but they don't make up. Kyoko even asks Mami about her new companion, Madoka, but Mami thinks Kyoko will try to harm her, so she warns Kyoko not to come near them. Kyoko then returns Kasamino with regret for why she could not have been more straightforward with Mami.
** In Kyoko's route, she makes a grave for Mami.
** In Homura's route, while Oktavia's death upsets Kyoko, she will still help Homura in the fight against Walpurgis. However, if Mami kills herself after knowing the truth about magical girls and witches, Kyoko will not show up and Homura will end up fighting alone.
*Prior to Mami being ship with a strong candidate (with the HomuxMado/KyoxSaya fans growing, leaving little to no room - unless you count [[Charlotte]]), she was the odd girl left out that it intensified the meme "Mami forever alone", intensifying her loneliness. That was [[Drama CD 3|until the Drama CD 3 came out.]] Plus with Sayaka being dead in the New World, it leaves the potential for these two characters to being together.

===KyoMami Official Art===
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File:Close-up.jpg|From the Oriko manga series.
File:Hira080946.jpg|Mami and Kyoko fighting together in the PSP game
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===Fanart Response to KyoMami===
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File:Mami kyoko happy fanart.jpg|"Who is a good kôhai? For doing a good job you are getting cake tonight... and for ''dessert''..."
File:5111c8ef9864b465aa105bd042335050.jpeg|I predict a lot of senpai-kôhai interactions in doujin form after this.
File:Kyomami fanart.jpg|Sorry, Sayaka. But Mami promised me a lifetime supply of cakes.
File:Kyomami one at a time girls.jpg|Now Mami will never be alone again.
File:Yurifan reaction kyomami drama cd.jpg|One example of fan reaction to Kyomami.
File:Senior's Meeting - buchi maru pg 9.jpg|Kyomami was cool way before the release of the drama CD.
File:(Kasumi) Mami is yours if she's drunk.png|A drunken Mami is fine too. A confused Sayaka not so much.
File:Sleeping face of an angel (Aotori)04.jpg|Of course there is always the threesome route. ''~You can say that again, Kyoko.''
File:Mami Kyoko Laughing.jpeg|Once, Mami and Kyoko were like this. But as always, being meguca is suffering.
File:Mami Kyoko Hugging.jpeg
File:PockyStealing KyoMami.jpeg
File:Kyoko mami lovers friends fanart pencil.jpg
File:Homura Sure Is Popular - Sleepover Chapter (sanaemaru) 04.jpg|Considering how fragile Mami's state of mind is, we have to wonder if Kyoko has to worry if she is the jealous type.
File:Kyomami sleeping last night fanart.png
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File:Mami angel kyouko devil halloween fanart.jpg
File:4chan candeloro hard gay for madoka kyouko.jpg|Candeloro's familiars are her cute Kōhai, coincidence?...
File:Kyomami looking at her panties.jpg|Perhaps Mami takes her role as a Senpai too far.
File:Kyomami sayaka jelly fanart.jpg
File:Sayaka kyouko mami threesome sharing fanart.jpg|Yuri love triangle.
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==Other==
===Mami and Madoka===
A somewhat less popular pair due to Mami's lack of appearances for most of the series. In [[Episode 3]], Madoka tells Mami that she wants to become a magical girl because of her admiration of Mami (admiration of an older sister figure is very common in yuri-themed works). Mami discourages her at her first, saying that she is not someone to admire because despite her trying to appear as a strong mentor, she is weak and lonely. When Madoka tells her that she will stay by her side, Mami is brought to tears. The two hold hands and face each other, and Madoka tells Mami that she really will stay with Mami and fight together with her. During the battle with the witch afterward, Mami states in her internal monologue that she has never been happier while fighting before, and that she no longer has any fears, no doubt due to joy from Madoka's confession. This attitude combined with overconfidence ultimately leads to {{spoiler|Mami's untimely demise}}, but nonetheless many fans saw Madoka's confession and Mami's reaction as evidence of yuri feelings between the two girls.

In the first timeline of episode 10, Mami and Madoka fight as a pair and rescue Homura. Some fans believe that, because Madoka was already close with Mami before meeting Homura, Mami and Madoka were a couple in that timeline. It is revealed in the PSP game that in one of the timelines (probably the first or second) Mami died because she protected Madoka from an attack of Walpurgis Night.

Love triangle style scenarios in which Mami and Homura compete for Madoka's affection, occasionally with Sayaka brought in as well, are somewhat common in fanworks.

The fan name for this pair is MamiMado.

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File:NyanType 03.2011 Pin-up.jpg|Official pin-up artwork from NyanType magazine, March 2011 issue.
File:Kalafina magica quartet madoka page sample art.jpg|Threesome?
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File:NewType 2012-04 01.jpg|Madoka and Mami... and Sayaka?!
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===Fanart Reponse to MamiMado===
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File:MamiMado.jpg|This is how [[Episode 3]] should have ended.
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=== MamiMado Trivia ===
*The [[Madoka Magica Portable|PSP game]] explores more about their relationship.
** In Mami's route, Mami saves Madoka from Gertrud. Madoka becomes a magical girl and returns the favor by turning up to save Mami from Charlotte.
***Mami starts getting jealous that Madoka spends more time with Homura than her. Her jealousy is expressed in the form of depression that affects the mood of the scene when it happens. When Madoka drops by Mami's class, she gives Mami a pound cake that she made as a thank you for having her on Mami's tea parties. When Madoka mentions that Homura was involved in the making of the cake, the music stops and the mood changes, so much so that Mami's jealousy festers with dark thoughts.
****Because of Mami's fragile mind, Mami goes witch when she gets [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NetorareGenre NTR] by HomuxMado.

===Homura and Mami===
<blockquote>''"I failed to save her again."'' - Homura Akemi, [[Madoka Magica Portable]].</blockquote>
A somewhat less popular pair due to Mami's lack of appearances for most of the series. In the first timeline of episode 10, Mami and Madoka fight as a pair and rescue Homura. Much like the other girls, Homura seems to admire Mami and she is affected the first time she dies. They seem to be good friends, but not as much as Homura' friendship with Madoka. However this clashes in the third timeline, in which {{spoiler|Mami breaks down after knowing the truth of the Puella Magi and kills Kyoko and then wraps Homura with ribbons in order to kill her, but she is killed by Madoka}}.

It should also be noted that, as shown in the PSP game, Homura somehow still cares for her, but they are enemies in the other timelines, because of Kyubey's interference. This is shown when it is revealed that Homura was thinking of defeating Gertrud and giving the Grief Seed to Mami, to form a token of friendship, but it backfired because of Kyubey.

Love triangle style scenarios in which Mami and Homura compete for Madoka's affection, occasionally with Homura ignoring Mami in order to be with Madoka.

The fan name for this pair is HomuMami.

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File:Game Mami TiroFinale11.jpg|From the Mami's Heart Pounding Tiro Finale
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===Fanart Reponse to HomuMami===
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File:Moemura mami cute couple fanart.jpg
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File:Homura Tomoe pic dubs.jpg|Either Homura and Mami gay married in America or the US Dubs is making its own ship (or Torinone's in charge of the script).
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===Kyoko and Homura===
<blockquote>''"Man, you’re so mysterious. And so, can we win against Walpurgisnacht?"'' - Kyoko Sakura, [[Drama CD 3]].</blockquote>
<blockquote>''"We will win. The two of us can do it!"'' - Homura Akemi, [[Drama CD 3]].</blockquote>
<blockquote>''"Kyoko..."'' - Homura Akemi, [[Episode 9]].</blockquote>
A somehow less popular pairing. From past experience, Homura believes Kyoko may be the only ally left to help her in stopping Walpurgis Night. They are often seen talking or discussing plans in Homura's house. Their relationship is more of a partnership than friendship. Homura is saddened after {{spoiler|Kyoko dies in order to not leave Sayaka alone}}, in both the anime and manga, but she denies it by saying that she just didn't wanted Kyoko to lose face, although her expression shows otherwise. However this seems to be onesided, since Kyoko doesn't consider her a friend. Curiously, she is the only other person Homura calls by her first name, besides Madoka. There is evidence that they had interacted on a more personal level in prior timelines, when at the start of episode 6 Homura says, "I'm on the side of those who maintain their composure and I'm the enemy of idiots who initiate fights needlessly. Which are you, Sakura Kyoko?" It triggers a strong reaction from Kyoko, where she asks Homura if they'd ever met before.

The fan name for this pair is KyoHomu.

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File:Kyokohomura0602.jpg
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===Fanart Reponse to KyouHomu===
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File:KyouHomu KnM.jpg|
File:21313778 p0.jpg|Fanwork of a theory of Episode 9
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File:Tea and snacks at homu residence.jpg|Eating at the HomuHome
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File:Homura is popular sleepover chapter pg with homukyo.jpg|
File:Sales being sayaka is suffering.jpg|HomuKyou: Because being Sayaka is suffering.
File:Copia de Madoka A 1 015.jpg|from the Puella Magi Madoka Magica Anthology 1
File:Kyoko homura brofist.jpg
File:Homura kyouko serious fanart.jpg
</gallery>

=== KyoHomu Trivia ===
*As seen in the anime, manga and PSP game, Homura is surprisingly mild toward Kyoko.
*The [[Madoka Magica Portable|PSP game]] explores more about their relationship.
** After Madoka dies in the Sayaka route against Walpurgis (mainly because Sayaka didn’t want to call Kyoko to the fight), Homura convinces herself that she should partner with Kyoko in future timelines to save Madoka.
** In Kyoko's route, when Kyoko comes to help Homura with her fight against Walpurgis Night (despite she was mad at Homura for killing Oktavia, she later felt guilt for breaking their promise to fight Walpurgis together) after she tells her that she is not fighting for her sake and claims that she wants grief seeds from Walpurgis, Homura simply smiles at her and calls her an idiot as she thanks her.
:'''Kyoko:''' Don’t get the wrong idea. It’s not like I came to help you out. And I’m not interested in saving people either. It’s just that my Soul Gem got corrupted thanks to Sayaka. And I just need a huge ass grief seed, okay?!

:'''Homura:''' *smiles* Idiot...

:'''Kyoko:''' Takes one to know one!

:'''Homura:''' Thank you

:'''Kyoko:''' I’ve do nothing to be thankful for!

:'''Homura:''' Are...we...friends?

:'''Kyoko:''' Let’s set that aside for now! We’ll talk after we beat that thing down!

* After that Homura later asks Kyoko if they are friends but Kyoko changes the topic. Later they are defeated by Walpurgis and Kyoko attempts to use her last attack, as she calls it, but a concerned Homura stops her from doing it so (probably believing that she would sacrifice herself) causing Kyoko to call her a creep. Homura openly shows concern when Kyoko is hurt by Walpurgis and later when she is killed by [[Kriemhild Gretchen]].
* For some strange reason in the True Ending, Homura calls Kyoko ''"Sakura-san"'' instead of her first name, like she did before when she was Moemura.

===Sayaka and Madoka===
<blockquote>''"You're cute, but I won't let you become popular with the guys. You're going to be my wife!"'' - '''[[Sayaka Miki]]''' declaring [[Madoka]] to be her waifu in [[Episode 1]].</blockquote>
In the [[Episode 1]], Sayaka says that she will make Madoka her wife. After watching them communicate telepathically in [[Episode 2]], [[Hitomi]] thinks that they are communicating simply through eye contact and must have become a couple, which she calls forbidden love. The two maintain a close friendship for most of the series.

The light novel, "[[Mahou Shoujo Madoka☆Magica NitroPlus Novel]]", explores Madoka's early childhood and her first encounter with a tomboyish Sayaka.

The fan name for this pair is SayaMado. "Forbidden love" is occasionally used as a nickname for this pair and Madoka yuri in general.

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File:Sayaka pointing madoka face.gif|Sayaka pointing madoka face
File:MadoSaya is a lie.png|YOU'RE GOING TO BE MAI WAIFU!
File:Sayaka-Madoka08.jpg
File:Madoka-dead Sayaka.jpg
File:MadoSaya-Ep12.jpg
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File:Puella magi madoka magica-02-madoka-sayaka.jpg
File:Madoka 05 3.png
File:Puella magi madoka magica-04-madoka-sayaka-hug.jpg
File:NitroPlus Novel 02.jpg|Art from the light novel.
File:Sayaka madoka art novel page.jpg
File:NewType 05.2012 01.jpg|Cheating couple.
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===Fanart Response to SayaMado===
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File:Madosaya HidaSketchx365 parody fanart.gif
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File:MadoSaya Walking.gif
File:Together with sayamado fanart.jpg
File:Sayamado prince princess fanart.jpg
File:Madosaya naughty girls fanart.png
File:Madoka sayaka children protective.jpg|Sayaka, acting as Madoka's protector.
</gallery>

===Homura and Sayaka===
<blockquote>''"She should not have agreed to the contract. That was my mistake. I should have kept as close an eye on her as I did on [[Madoka Kaname|you]]."'' Homura Akemi, [[Episode 5]].</blockquote>
<blockquote>''"Madoka, what are you going to do after you get there? [...] I don't know why Homura is fighting against those things. But there is no way you can help, Madoka. You'll just slow down Homura. That's why...I'll go help her!"'' - Sayaka Miki, [[Puella Magi Oriko Magica]], [[Oriko Magica#Chapter 7, the final chapter: To protect my world|Chapter 7]].</blockquote>

This pairing is mostly considered a crack pair, due to the fact that the relationship between the two changes, according to Homura's attitude during the timelines, because Sayaka judges based on first impressions and makes rash assumptions. When she first saw her, in Episode 1, she though Homura was pretty. However, after Homura's actions after {{spoiler|Mami's death}}, she believes that Homura waited for Mami to fall in order to get the Grief Seed and distrusts her. In Episode 5, a concerned Madoka asks her to protect Sayaka as much as possible, since she became a Puella Magi. But Homura refuses to do it. However, she expresses a bit of regret of not protecting her before, since in the other timelines, she met Sayaka when she was already a Puella Magi.

In Episode 6, she rushes to retrieve Sayaka' Soul Gem, after Madoka threw her away and brings it back to Sayaka in order to revive her. Like Kyouko and Madoka, she expresses slight concern for Sayaka in Episode 8. She even tries to reason with her and gives her a Grief Seed, so her Soul Gem woudn't have to be tainted. Sayaka rejects the Grief Seed and accuses Homura of putting up false pretenses and always lying to them. Homura changes her attitude and admits she is just doing things for Madoka's sake, knowing that Sayaka's actions will contribute to Madoka's fate, Sayaka seemes shocked and surprised and comments "''This is all for her sake''?" (only in the manga). Homura decides to kill Sayaka until she was rescued by Kyouko. She seemed unsurprised when Sayaka transformed into a witch, not out of concern, but her experience in the other timelines. She knew that {{spoiler|everytime Sayaka contracts, she becomes a witch and she couldn't be saved}}. In the Episode 10, in Timeline 3, Sayaka still distrusts Homura's warning about witches, but they seem to get along lately as Homura seems sad the first time Sayaka dies.

However, in [[Oriko Magica]], Homura befriends Madoka, Sayaka and Hitomi. When Madoka goes to save Homura (who is fighting against Oriko) by herself, Sayaka seems to be surprised that Homura is a Puella Magi, but she decides to go help her, considering Homura a friend. In the [[Drama CD 2]], they seem to get along.

Despite this, it is heavily implied that her concern for Sayaka was just as a by product of all the attention she heaps on Madoka. Fans usually portrait Homura and Sayaka competing for Madoka. The fan name for this pair is HomuSaya.

<gallery>
File:Homura-SayakaSoulGem.jpg|Homura retrieves Sayaka' Soul Gem in order to revive her....
File:Sayaka-is-revived.jpg|...and succeeds. However Homura admitted that she only did that for Madoka
File:Homura-about-to-kill-Sayaka.jpg|Knowing about Sayaka's fate, maybe Homura thought it was the best to kill her. She failed, however.
File:Homura-Sayaka-Episode_8.jpg
File:Mahou-shoujo-madoka-magica-2390153.jpg|Sayaka is mean to Homura even as Moemura
File:Mahou-shoujo-madoka-magica-2091255.jpg|For some reason, in the manga Homura had a sadisctic glee while about to kill Sayaka
File:Mahou-shoujo-madoka-magica-2091249.jpg
File:Mahou-shoujo-madoka-magica-2091247.jpg|Clearly more concerned than in the anime
File:Mahou-shoujo-oriko-magica-2431049.jpg|However, Sayaka considers Homura as friend, in Oriko Magica
File:Mahou-shoujo-oriko-magica-2431047.jpg
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===Fanart Reponse to HomuSaya===
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File:Homusaya that pose not sure.jpg|The definition of crack pair. Not sure if serious.
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File:20031120 m.jpg|Speculation of the changing relationships between Homura and Sayaka
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File:Nisemonogatari sayahomu.jpg|Nisemonogatari reference
</gallery>

===Charlotte and Mami===
In Episode 3, {{spoiler|Mami gets her head bitten off by Charlotte.}} Despite this, a lot of fanart was drawn of [[Charlotte]] and Mami together, partially due to their inevitable association and partially because Charlotte is rather cute compared to other witches. Eventually fans began to draw human versions of all the witches including Charlotte, and would draw Mami paired together with the human version of Charlotte. The revelation in [[Episode 8]] that {{spoiler|magical girls turn into witches}} gave these human forms another meaning and the additional plot points of {{spoiler|timelines and the witch-free world created by Madoka}} gave potential for Charlotte and Mami to meet in a less hostile context.

Also popular simply because the other four main characters are typically paired up together, leaving Mami alone unless paired with Charlotte.

The fan names for this pair are MamiLotte and (less common) MamiCharu.

===Official Art===
<gallery>
File:Hanokage mami alone forever.jpg|Mami is "..." while Homura and Kyoko calls out and goes running after Madoka and Sayaka. Mami is all alone. By [http://twitpic.com/4uotfi&usg=ALkJrhiyPhOmaPddVasi7tUcSdWcyI5Dug Hanokage].
File:Madoplus 16.jpg|Mamilotte forever.
File:PMMM Manga extra 3.jpg
File:Apricot +4.jpg
</gallery>

===Fanart Reponse to MamiLotte===
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
{{fanartSmall}}
File:Mamilotte Fanart Kiss.jpg|You are not alone Mami, you still have Charlotte! (minus losing the head).
File:Mami Madoka and Charlotte together.jpg|For those torn between MamiMado and MamiLotte there is always the threesome.
File:Mami charlotte jelly qb fanart.jpg|Charlotte looks jelly.
File:Mamilotte badass duo fanart.jpg
File:Mami has a tea party with charlotte.jpg|Tea Party
File:Mami charlotte pocky kiss fanart.jpg
File:MadoMagi family (aotori) mami charlotte.jpg|Charlotte: ''"Mami was my first..."'' (Do the right thing, Mami. And take responsibility.)
File:Charlotte spirit with mami stars fanart.jpg
File:Mami and charlotte love fanart together.jpg
File:Charlotte mami together dark fanart.jpg
</gallery>

===Kyouko and Madoka===
[[File:Madoka kyouko sharing pocky fanart.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Aoi Yuuki's (un)official OTP]]
While technically many yurifans would consider this pair to be a "crack" pair (an unlikely couple), they have made an exception because of [[Yuri_undertones#Yuri_Kyoko_Trivia|Aoi Yuuki's support and love]] for the character of [[Kyoko]]. Technically it would be considered an Aoi Yuuki x [[Kyoko]] ship (or Aoi Yuuki's waifu).

*Their love will live forever [http://video.niconico.com/watch/sm14889810 on the internet.]

===Fanart Response to MadoKyo===
<gallery>
File:Aoi Yuuki loves her waifu fanart madoka kyouko.jpg|Don't laugh. Aoi Yuuki (Madoka) is actually in love with Kyoko and promised that she would make her her waifu.
File:Madoka fake sayaka kyouko fanart.jpg
File:Kyouko madoka winning fanart.jpg
File:Madoka dating kyoko fanart sorry girls.jpg
</gallery>

===Homura and Clip Girl===
An unnamed character known by fans as [[:file:Clip Girl.jpg|Clip Girl]] (Clip-san) (and sometimes [[:file:Mami Madoka classmate D-chan.jpg|D-chan]], for good reason) suspected to have a school crush on Homura (apparently, she may be [[:file:Homura surrounded by girls.jpg|not the only one]]). Fans have noticed that she can't seem to keep her eyes off of Homura.

Clip Girl has long pink hair and a green hair clip, is very short, and apparently is the second [[:file:Artbook Classmate Extras Drawing 1.jpg|bustiest girl]] in school (Mami being the [[Mami's mammies|Queen of Mammies]]). She is friends with the light brown pigtailed girl in 3F, and was with her when she invited Homura to the cafe, presumably hoping for a date.

===Other Couples Fanart Images===
{{fanartSmall}}
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left">
File:KirstenxCharlotte.jpg|Yes, even witches are paired up with other witches.
File:Mami homura madoka.jpg|It is Homura's duty to protect Madoka from witches, Kyubey, and romantic rivals.
File:Kyousaya mami threesome.jpg|You are not alone anymore, Mami (Is not cheating if you are already dead, right?).
File:Homura the Harem End.jpg|For the undecided, there is always the Harem end.
File:Homura the harem dream nightmare.jpg|Dammit Homura...
File:Homura harem route.png|The World Homura Only Knows.
File:Homura and junko yuri fanart.jpg|Homura and Junko!? Does Madoka know?
File:Junko kazuko fan doujin.jpg|Only MadoKami knows the truth about those rumors and she is not telling...
File:Mamibey ruined for marriage 0 0.jpg|Technically Kyubey has no gender... do I even wanna go there?...
File:Coobilotte.jpg|Ok, now this is just wrong.
File:21016568 m.jpg
File:Madoka coobie yuri.jpg|Fans have finally lost their minds...
File:Sayaka Kamijou genderbender yuri.png|SayakaxKamijou (female version)... dont ask.
File:Clipgirl crush ver 2.jpg|Homura, lady killer.
File:Homura surrounded by girls.jpg|''"Ladies, please. One at a time".'' Hate the game, not the playa.
File:Homuharem but that is forbidden.jpg|Hitomi is the only one left out from the homuharem.
File:Homura moemura like a boss.jpg|Homura has her own personal lesbian harem in every universe.
File:Homura MC harem lead.jpg
File:Mami madoka homura threesome love triangle.jpg|
File:Madoka pimp playa womanizer.jpg|Being Meguka is suffering but it has its perks.
File:Hitomi sayaka fan art yuri.jpg|example of crack pairing.
File:Perv homu lonely mami empty eyes fanart.jpg|Mami: Forever alone.
File:Hitomi madoka fanart punching rivals.jpg|Hitomi wins Madoka!
File:Witch victim from episode 2.jpg|That woman from [[episode 2]] (isn't there like a huge age gap?!).
File:25061185 p32.jpg
File:Kyouko charlotte new friend.jpg|Frightening how much this makes sense...
File:Kyolotte fanart.jpg
File:Kyouko everybody loves kyouko.png
File:Mamis harem madoka sayaka fanart.jpg
File:You still have charlotte.jpg|"Mami forever alone"...
File:Clip girl and Miss A girl fanart yuri.jpg|Background characters need love too.
File:Miss A girl homura fanart yuri.png|Clip girl wont be happy.
File:Hitomi My New Boyfriend!.jpg|I feel your pain, Homura.
</gallery>

== Oriko Manga ==

=== Kirika and Oriko ===

<blockquote>''"Kirika, if you weren't here, I would be really broken."'' - [[Oriko Mikuni]] to [[Kirika Kure]], [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_3:_Love_is_infinitely_finite|Oriko Magica, Chapter 3]].</blockquote>
<blockquote>''"Love is infinitely finite, so I'll devote myself infinitely to her."'' - [[Kirika]] speaking of [[Oriko]], [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_4:_I.27ll_never_forgive_you|Oriko Magica, Chapter 4]].</blockquote>
Kirika, an antisocial yet shy girl, met Oriko, who helped Kirika collect her things that had spilled onto the ground when nobody cared. Kirika was charmed by her and decided to track her down. However, when she found her, she was too afraid and timid to call out to her, thinking that she wouldn't remember her. For Oriko, she made a contract with Kyubey and wished to change herself. With her new outgoing personality she talked to her and they became soon best friends. Kirika's priority was Oriko and did anything she asked of her, such as killing other magical girls after Oriko became a Puella Magi. She also claimed that her love for Oriko is infinitely finite. On Oriko's side, she shows to care about her and enjoys teasing her. In Chapter 4, after Kirika was fatally wounded by Mami, Oriko rushed to save her and glared at Mami, paralyzing her. She seemed crushed after Kirika confessed her about her wish. After Kirika transformed into [[Margot]] (before transforming Kirika promised Oriko that she wouldn't attack her) and later killed by Kyoko, Mami and Yuma, she had a breakdown and went berserk. After they were killed and Homura resetted the timeline, Kirika and Oriko seemed to have a vague recolection of each other as Kirika says that she'll take half the burden and they then take each others hands and walk off, smiling.

Oriko and Kirika somehow resemble the friendship between Madoka and Homura. Both Madoka and Oriko were loyal to a kind girl who lacked confidence and wanted a purpose in life and Kirika and Homura both had control over time magic.

=== Gallery: Manga Pages ===
<gallery>
File:KoriKo meeting for the first time.jpg|When Kirika met Oriko.
File:Oriko stalker.jpg|Look, Oriko! You have your own stalker!
File:KiriKo pillowlap.jpg|This pillow is one of a kind.
File:Kirika what is love.jpg|Kirika's words of wisdom regarding love tends to be terrifying to fans and characters alike for some reason.
File:Oriko saves a corpse.png|They both paid a heavy price to protect what they love...
File:Oriko meeting Kirika afterlife.jpg|They seem to remember each other despite this is a new timeline
File:Oriko Magica v02 c07 159.neuquant.png
File:Oriko Magica v02 c07 160.neuquant.png|
File:KirikaData.png|Kirika's limited memory is used for things about Oriko and nothing else.
File:KirikoChildTeasing.png|
File:KirikaQuotesOnOriko.png|Kirika is very vocal about her feelings for Oriko.
File:OrikoJealousy.png|Oriko seems to enjoy Kirika's (somewhat overzealous) attentions.
</gallery>

==== Fanart Reponse to OriKiri====
{{fanartSmall}}
<gallery>
File:Kirika Oriko fanart together.png
File:KiriKo fanart u got my back.jpg
File:Oriko and Kirika Hold Hands.jpeg
File:Oriko Kiria tea party.jpg
File:KiriKoTackleQuoteFanart.jpeg
File:KirikaOrikoTransformedHugging.png
File:KirikaOrikoLapNapFanart.jpeg
File:KiriKo-And Im home.png|A fan recreation of Sayaka and Kyoko's infamous pose from the ending to episode 9.
</gallery>

===Other Couples Fanart Images===
{{fanartSmall}}
<gallery>
File:Oriko and tomoe mami fanart.png
File:OrikoMamiFanart.png
File:KiriMami.jpg
</gallery>

== Kazumi Manga ==
=== Saki and Kazumi ===
<blockquote>''"We believe in Kazumi. Just like how you believe in us"'' - [[Saki Asami]], [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_3:_.22Malefica Farce.22|Kazumi Magica, Chapter 3]].</blockquote>
<blockquote>''"I'll kill Kazumi...when Hell freezes over."'' - [[Saki Asami]], [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_13:_.22Magicallabbiata.22|Kazumi Magica, Chapter 13]].</blockquote>

Like all the other [[Pleiades Saints]], Saki cares for Kazumi, and tries to protect her innocence and keep the awful truths of their work away from her.

It is revealed by Satomi in chapters 13 and 14 that Saki loved [[Michiru Kazusa]], but also cares for her clones, which Kazumi is one of. It's possible that she likes the clones (and Kazumi) for themselves, or she likes them because they are reminders of Michiru. However, she is also willing to kill Kazumi (who is starting to turn back into a witch) for the sake of Michiru.

=== Manga Pages ===
<gallery>
File:U017.jpg
File:MâJ12 18.jpg
File:K34.jpg
File:SakiKazumiHug.png|Saki and Kazumi hugging.
File:SakiKazumiUnderwear.png|Saki imagining a scene from chapter 2.
File:J10.jpg
File:J18.jpg
File:MJ13 19.jpg
File:Screen_shot_2012-02-04_at_1.28.33_PM.jpg
File:Screen_shot_2012-02-04_at_1.30.06_PM.jpg
</gallery>

=== Umika and Kaoru ===
Umika and Kaoru are always seen together and even their attacks and transformations are combined. However, the evidences of a romantic relationship between them starts in Chapter 1, with a note that Kaoru and Umika left to Kazumi states that they're out dating, but there are no boys around them. When they were trapped by the bookmobile witch and the Pleiades went to save them, they seemed okay and told the Pleiades not to rush in finding them. Curiously, when they first met (after they were dragged to a witch barrier by Kazumi) Umika rushed to protect Kaoru despite the fact they were strangers by that time.

=== Manga Pages ===
<gallery>
File:UmikaKaoruDateNote.png|This note to Kazumi says that the two are out dating...
File:UmikaKaoruCoffeeShop.png|But there's no one with them in the coffee shop. Could they be dating each other?
File:UmikaKaoruHugginginsideBarrier.png|Umika and Kaoru trapped in a witch's barrier. Awfully close, aren't they?
File:UmikaKaoruImagineSpotByKazumi.png|Kazumi's version of the previous image.
File:UmikaKaoruCuddling.png|No need to rush and save them from a witch, guys. They'll find something to occupy themselves, I'm sure.
File:K08.jpg
File:Copia de é®é©é¦â-âMâJ11 09.jpg
File:Gbcxxf.jpg
File:Img 1517482 62419947 2.jpeg
File:UmikaPowers.png
</gallery>

=== Saki and Mirai ===
<blockquote>''"You hurt my Sakiii!"'' - [[Mirai Wakaba]], [[Puella_Magi_Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_9:_.22The_Freezer.22|Kazumi Magica, Chapter 9]].</blockquote>
<blockquote>''"You protected us. Thank you."'' ''"Th... thank you, Saki!"'' - [[Saki Asami]] and [[Mirai Wakaba]], [[Puella_Magi_Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_12:_.22Pleiades.22|Kazumi Magica, Chapter 12]].</blockquote>
<blockquote>''"Mirai, thanks for covering for me."'' ''"Y...Yeah, it's not your fault, Saki. I know how you feel, Saki."'' - [[Saki Asami]] and [[Mirai Wakaba]], [[Puella_Magi_Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_15:_.22Ingredients_for_Satomi.22|Kazumi Magica, Chapter 15]].</blockquote>
[[File:SakiMira.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Could you be holding on to Saki any tighter, Mirai?]]

Mirai, from the onset, has appeared to be very attached to Saki. In chapter 3, Mirai is seen clinging to Saki when the Pleiades Saints first appear, and she also seems gleeful at the fact she's paired with Saki and Kazumi in their search for a witch. These small signs mostly went unnoticed by the fans until chapter 9, when Saki's face was minorly injured by the witch form of Nico's spare while trying to protect Mirai. Seeing this, Mirai went berserk, killing the witch in a fit of rage for daring to hurt Saki. Mirai doesn't react this way when Umika, Kaoru and Kazumi have been injured or endangered in far worse ways, showing that this reaction and the feelings that accompany it are for Saki alone.

When Saki is feeling especially down, Mirai viciously defends her to the other Pleiades, despite seeming to agree that what Saki had done wasn't in their best interests. Still, Mirai instantly forgives her, and blushes and seems to be pleased when Saki thanks her for it.

These feelings, however, may in fact be one-sided on Mirai's part, as Saki seems to be more attached to Kazumi than Mirai, to the point it's even stated by Satomi that Saki loves Kazumi. Mirai is [[:file:Mirai jelly slut 4chan u.jpg|clearly jealous of Kazumi's closeness with Saki]], as seen in Chapter 12 and in subsequent chapters, she was willing to kill Kazumi, after she turned into a witch and she claimed that it was all for the sake of Saki. Saki compares Mirai to her sister, [[Miyuki]], when they first meet, which has no clear meaning. Miyuki had promised to marry Saki one day, but it's unknown if Saki had romantic feelings for her sister or just familial affection, and therefore may see Mirai as just a younger sister figure.

=== Manga Pages ===
<gallery>
File:SakiMiraiColor.png
File:K13.jpg
File:H06.jpg
File:H07.jpg
File:H13.jpg
File:Gfgbvc.jpg
File:Dsfs.jpg
File:K 10.jpg
File:É®é©é¦â-âMâJ12 18.jpg| ''U Mad?''
File:12 11.jpg
File:Kazumi vol3 melonbooks bonus.jpg
</gallery>

=== Airi and Yuuri ===
<blockquote>''"If you want to live, then I'll save you, no matter what."'' - [[Yuuri Asuka]], [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_5:_.22Magicallabbiata.22|Kazumi Magica, Chapter 5]].</blockquote>
<blockquote>''"My most precious treasure was taken away from me. That's why I'm going to kill their most precious treasure. '''You.'''"'' - "[[Yuuri]]" to [[Kazumi]], [[Kazumi_Magica#Chapter_5:_.22Magicallabbiata.22|Kazumi Magica, Chapter 5]].</blockquote>
[[File:Magical_spoon_2.png|right|thumb|300px|Two girls, willing to sacrifice everything for one another. Is it romantic, or just deep friendship?]]

[[Airi]] and [[Yuuri Asuka]] started out as ordinary classmates. Yuuri, a very avid cooking fan, tried cooking for her entire class, but was sent into shock when one of the students claimed they had gotten food poisoning from her cooking. She did not return to school the next day, and Airi went to check on her and helped prove the student was lying to try to frame Yuuri. The two became very close friends.

Two years later, Airi was diagnosed with an incurable disease that would surely take her life. Yuuri asked a [[Michiru Kazusa|magical girl]] who saved her from a witch to cure Airi, but the girl told Yuuri that she should make her own contract. Yuuri followed her advice and made a contract with [[Kyubey]] to save her friend.

Yuuri and Airi remained close afterwards, with Airi believing that Yuuri cured her using a magical charm in the form of a spoon. They both loved food, and spoke of cooking competitions and going out to eat together (which could be interpreted as a date).

Yuuri eventually turned into a witch and attacked Airi. The [[Pleiades Saints]] killed her. Airi was so brokenhearted and mentally unhinged by this that she made a contract with Kyubey herself to take over Yuuri's life, transforming her appearance into her friend's and swearing vengeance on the girls who killed Yuuri, even though they saved her life. The newly christened "Yuuri" even has a magical girl costume that calls out to her lost friend: it heavily features stripes and a frilled skirt, which were what Yuuri commonly wore when in casual dress, and mimics Yuuri's magical girl costume's color scheme. Airi even mimics Yuuri's style of dress, which is very different from her own before contracting, while not transformed, implying that she tries to keep her friend alive in her heart even in everyday life.

By the time Airi reached the end of the life that Yuuri had saved, Airi had become obsessed with avenging her. Airi even rebuffed an attempt by her perceived enemies to clean her soul gem (similar to Sayaka's reaction to Homura's offer of help in the anime). Airi's witch form is a heart, with the ability to broadcast her memories: specifically, those of her past with Yuuri. The obvious symbolism in this (with a heart representing love, often of a romantic nature, in many cultures) indicates that Airi's feelings for Yuuri remained strong.

One can read into these facts two ways: a deep friendship where two girls are willing to give everything up for the other, or a romantic relationship where even the thought of living without her partner is enough to drive each girl to desperation and despair (the main qualification for becoming a magical girl).

===Manga Pages and Official Art===
<gallery>
File:Healing airi.png|Yuuri makes a contract with Kyubey for her wish: to heal Airi and save her from a fatal illness.
File:AiriYuuriHugging01.png|Yuuri and Airi sitting in a tree...
File:Airi's wish.png|Airi will not rest until she hunts down all the killers.
File:Memories of yuuri.png|...her last words.
File:AiriYuuriPairfaitYay.png|Kazumi imagining Yuuri and Airi eating a delicious parfait...
File:AiriYuuriPairfaiteating.png|But in reality, this will never come true for them.
File:Screen_shot_2012-02-09_at_5.41.10_PM.jpg
File:AiriYuuriClothesComparison.png|The real Yuuri and Airi after her transformation. The obvious mimicking of even Yuuri's style of dress shows Airi's deep feelings for her.
File:Airi_and_Yuuri_art.jpg|Airi after her transformation holding Yuuri. Note how similar their costumes are.
File:AiriYuuriPreciousPersonQuote.png|Airi speaking of Yuuri and calling her, "my most precious treasure."
File:Kazumi_bonus.jpg
</gallery>

==== Fanart Reponse to YuuriAiri====
{{fanartSmall}}
<gallery>
File:All-for-you.jpg
File:TwoYuurisFanart.png
</gallery>

=== Ayase and Luca ===

=== Manga Pages ===
<gallery>
File:SoujuInColor.png
File:Luca Souju Puella Magi.png
File:AyaseLucaCombinedTransformation.png
</gallery>

==Other Couples==

=== Kazumi and Nico ===

=== Manga Pages ===
<gallery>
File:NicoKazumiPrincessCarry.png|Two different princess carries in a single chapter? Hiramatsu knows how to ship-tease.
File:LoversSuicideComment.png|Like with Kyoko and Sayaka, the Japanese ideal of a tragic lovers' suicide shows itself here.
File:2012022502121533c.jpg
</gallery>

=== Saki and Miyuki ===

=== Manga Pages ===

<gallery>
File:Miyuki and Saki childhood marriage promise manga page.jpg|Saki wins the heart of her sister. Is that wedding bells I hear?
</gallery>

== Gen Urobuchi's Views on Relationships in Madoka ==

In an [[Shinjidai_no_Mixture_Magazine_BLACK_PAST|interview with Black Past]], Gen Urobuchi discussed his view of Homura and Madoka's relationship and his beliefs on same-sex relationships. Urobuchi clarified that while Homura's feelings for Madoka were present and unchanging throughout her timeloops, Madoka did not feel the same way prior to her wish, having only the experience of one time loop. Madoka made her wish not so much for Homura's sake but to save all mahou shoujo. However when Madoka made her wish, she learned about Homura's true feelings and only then was the bond between them established. Urobuchi even describes the circumstances of it is as a "little cruel" that it required Madoka leaving and becoming a goddess to understand Homura.

In talking about relationships in his body of works, Urobuchi revealed his beliefs about same sex relationships, "whatever relationship that could exist between male and female it should also exist between couples of same sex." Aside from the difference in body parts, he did not see a male and female relationship as special or unique. He believes that the same kind of love is possible between same sex couples as well. Urobuchi stated he may even write about a love relationship between two men in the future.

=== Conclusion ===
Because of the lack of evidence on-screen to establish Homura and Madoka as a canon yuri couple (or any other couple), the nature of their relationship is open to interpretation and debate. Even if we take into account evidence such as Urobuchi's views on sexuality, this relationship would not be considered canonical by the majority of fans unless official recognition is given in future body of works that raises the yuri subtext to text on their relationship. One can speculate that this interview could add more fuel to the fanbase to produce more fan works out of frustration now that they are aware of Urobuchi's personal views.
<references/>

[[Category:Articles]]

==Magazine Articles, Interviews, Etc.==
[[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Official Guidebook "You Are Not Alone"|Puella Magi Madoka Magica Official Guidebook "You Are Not Alone":]]
An official guidebook with a compilation on a wide variety of information on Madoka Magica.
<gallery>
File:Guidebook 0030.jpg|During the seiyuu interviews, [[Homura|Chiwa Saito]] and [[Madoka|Aoi Yuki]] get paired up, as well as [[Sayaka|Eri Kitamura]] and [[Kyoko|Ai Nonaka]] in joint interviews, but all the other seiyuu are interviewed alone. Clearly, nothing yuri sinister going on...
File:Guidebook 0031.jpg|And I'm sure nothing could possibly be implied by them writing "Chiwa Saito X Aoi Yuki" and "Eri Kitamura X Ai Nonaka" in huge letters at the bottom of the interview pages either. I am sure there is a logical explanation that doesn't involved yuri as the main reason... clearly.
File:Guidebook 0034.jpg|
File:Guidebook 0037.jpg
</gallery>

*See [[Lily Megami Magazine 2011-12|Lily Megami Magazine 2011-12]] ''(translation in progress)''

Talk:Homulilly

2012-06-11T13:31:49Z

Derp101(2): Undo revision 44269 by 75.165.80.183 (talk)

I knew it! My Faust Theory was correct! [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 17:26, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
== Defeats Walpurgis Night without draining all her MP? ==

Isn't this contradict with the information written in [http://www4.atwiki.jp/madomagi_portable/pages/20.html Madoka Portable Wiki]? (ネタバレ注意　隠しエンド（？） below) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 17:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:I do not understand how can Homura become a Witch that way... it would make more sense if she drained all her MP... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:39, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::Are you referring to the article or Japanese wiki? Japanese wiki state that you have to die in the lowest floor of Walpurgis Night (with Wal's HP gauge, not the beginning of the dungeon) in order to get Homulilly "Game Over" illustration, which make sense. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 23:49, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Ah, now makes sense. I thought she became a witch without losing alot of MP. I was refering to this ''"If Homura defeats Walpurgis Night without draining all her MP, she will become a witch and cause a Game Over."'', it needs clarification. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

==Regarding Name==
Candeloro makes sense for Mami (Italian and the meaning behind it, see the page), Ophelia too (with regards to the Shakespeare speculation)... and several other names that are German and foreign for the witches... but Homulilly? (it feels out of place with the Faustian/German/Other foreign names theme etc.) Couldnt they at least try to find some sort of equivalent that was more subtle at least? I wonder who came up with the name (eyes Hanokage). For Yurifans, this would be marvelous but also would feel like hitting them with a blunt instrument that says "yes, she is that way"... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:I remember seeing speculation on 2ch that it has to do with her being the witch of "this life/world," or "shigan" in Japanese. Shigan is the opposite of higan (nirvana). Higanbana (literally "higan flowers") is the Japanese name for red spider lillies. So maybe they made up a shiganbana, or Homu lilly, as a pun. [[User:Ykm|Ykm]] 00:18, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
::Sounds plausible yet I cannot help to think this is just a clever way to say it without saying it by being blunt about it and clever about it... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:50, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

==What we think we know so far:==
[[File:Homulilly.png|300px|right|thumb|better image quality]]

*[[:File:Homulilly.jpg|"HOMULILLY"]]: Witch with a disc on the top with infinite sign. Her witch type is {{Nihongo|此岸の魔女|Shigan no Majō}} (or "shigan") which basically means "Witch of Mortal World" (i.e. the opposite of [[wikipedia:Higan|Higan]]). Witch runes below reads "Game Over".
**"Shigan" is the opposite of "Higan" (nirvana). Higanbana (literally "higan flowers") is the Japanese name for [[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata|red spider lillies]]. So shiganbana, or Homu lilly, could be a pun.
***Lycoris radiata ([[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata#Uses|red spider lily]]) are very poisonous. These are mostly used in Japan, and they are used to surround their paddies and houses to keep the pest and mice away. That is why most of them grow close to rivers now.
***In Japan the Red Spider Lily signals the arrival of fall. Many Buddhist will use it to celebrate the arrival of fall with a ceremony at the tomb of one of their ancestors. They plant them on graves because it shows a tribute to the dead. People believe that since the Red Spider Lily is mostly associated with death that one should never give a bouquet of these flowers
***[[:file:PSP Photo Icon.jpg|Homulilly's witch kiss]] could reaffirm the Spider Lily connection.
*witch name is literally {{Nihongo|"Homu Yuri"|ほむ百合}}
*[[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata#Legends|Legend:]]

:Since these scarlet flowers usually bloom near cemeteries around the autumnal equinox, they are described in Chinese and Japanese translations of the [[wikipedia:Lotus_Sutra|Lotus Sutra]] as ominous flowers that grow in [[wikipedia:Diyu|Diyu]] (also known as Hell), or Huángquán (Simplified Chinese: 黄泉; Traditional Chinese: 黃泉), and guide the dead into the next reincarnation. 
:When the flowers of ''lycoris'' bloom, their leaves would have fallen; when their leaves grow, the flowers would have wilted. This habit gave rise to various legends. A famous one is the legend of two elves: Mañju (Simplified Chinese: 曼珠; Traditional Chinese: 曼珠), who guarded the flower, and Saka (Simplified Chinese: 沙华; Traditional Chinese: 沙華), who guarded the leaves. Out of curiosity, they defied their fate of guarding the herb alone, and managed to meet each other. At first sight, they fell in love with each other. [[wikipedia:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]], exasperated by their waywardness, separated the miserable couple, and laid a curse on them as a punishment: the flowers of Mañju shall never meet the leaves of Saka again. It was said that when the couple met after death in Diyu, they vowed to meet each other after reincarnation. However, neither of them could keep their words. In commemoration of the couple, some call the herbs 'Mañjusaka' (Simplified Chinese:曼珠沙华; Traditional Chinese: 曼珠沙華), a mixture of 'Mañju' and 'Saka', instead of their scientific name. The same name is used in Japanese, in which it is pronounced ''manjushage''. 
:Some other legends have it that when you see someone that you may never meet again, these flowers, also called red spider lilies, would bloom along the path. Perhaps because of these sorrowful legends, Japanese people often used these flowers in funerals. The popular Japanese name {{nihongo|''Higanbana''|彼岸花|Higan bana}} for lycoris radiata literally means [[wikipedia:higan|higan]] (the other or that shore of [[wikipedia:Sanzu_River|Sanzu River]]) flower, decorate and enjoyable, flower of afterlife in {{nihongo|''gokuraku jyōdo''|極楽浄土|gokuraku jyōdo}}. 

*Design: (please, add anything you may notice)...--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:46, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
:If you notice, the sides have a curb shape like an hourglass and the grey/white dots could be sand.
:The top part looks like an old vinyl record, the stylus has an odd shape. If you think about it, it almost makes it look like a stereotypical witches' hat.
::It's a record. Records are known for what when broken? Constant repetition of the same warped sounds, when they break. What happened in Homura's life to cause her such grief? Constant repetition of the same horrific events, when she resets. it seems like Homulilly's theme is an inability to escape the sequence of events in PMMM ('witch of this world' = 'unable to move on from horrible events'?). What with the infinity symbol, the scratched record, etc. [[User:Doctor Bad Ideas|Doctor Bad Ideas]] 23:05, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
:Under the vinyl record, what looks like hair or pig tails, could be moemura's pigtails.
::Plus, there appears to be what looks like a chin right under the record, making her look like a classic Witch.
:The section where the braided parts meet, there is something like red sticks.
::These sticks could be knitting needles, held by hands formed by the ends of her pigtails.
:Under the red stick, the hair forms the shape of what that looks like the number eight or the infinite symbol.
::If you think about it, it almost looks like an hourglass shape too...

*Infinite Symbol:
**While it could be a reference to Homura's time reset, it could have some connection to the [[wikipedia:Steady_State_theory|Steady State Theory]] (aka Infinite Universe).
***The Theory is a model developed as an alternative to the Big Bang Theory, the idea is that the universe is not only infinite, but the issue of entropy is of little consequence as new matter is created to solve the problem. While the Big Bang Theory suggests that not only does the universe has a beginning, but as it expands it will reach to an end (among many theories, [[wikipedia:Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe#Big_Freeze_or_heat_death|entropy plays a role in it]]):

:::"In 1948, some cosmologists who were unhappy with the big bang proposed a radical new model of the universe, based on the idea that the universe was not only homogenous in space (a fundamental concept in most models of the universe) but in time. This means, as the universe expands and galaxies separate, new galaxies form to fill the gaps created.

:::This theory appealed to many, as it had none of the problems associated with the big bang - what preceded it, what caused it, and so forth. Furthermore, it explained most of the effects that the big bang did - the red-shift is explained by the expansion, the background radiation is the light from former stars red-shifted. Furthermore, the theory requires only a minor modification in the laws of relativity, and the rate of matter creation is too low to be observable in any case.

:::Observational evidence proved to be the undoing of the steady state theory. The number of quasars increases when looking back into the past, violating the perfect cosmological principle. Furthermore, as time is infinite, another intelligent species should already have colonized the observable universe, which is obviously not the case.

:::In terms of thermodynamics, the steady state theory resolves some problems and generates others. It allows the universe to have existed for an infinite time, because as entropy increases, more matter appears which increases the order again - the new matter is an inexhaustible supply of negative entropy. In the same way, this balancing of entropy with new matter could be the very reason for space's expansion.

:::However, the steady state theory breaks both [[wikipedia:First_law_of_thermodynamics|the first]] and [[wikipedia:Second_law_of_thermodynamics|second law of thermodynamics]] with the matter increases, although novel ways around the problem have been suggested - for example, the universe could be like a massive black hole, which absorbs extra matter when it expands. Even so, though, the matter increase is, to my mind, too small to balance the entropy increases caused by, for example, the stars burning.

:::The steady state theory flourished in the sixties, but today, few people believe it."[http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sbleas/creative/entropy/#11]

:The bottom part of the witch's cape stretches down and connects to the pink orb in the hourglass-like shape in the background. It's unclear whether it's extending out of the hourglass or getting pulled in, as if by a black hole.
::A matching pink orb is in the top half of the hourglass. Like the bottom part of her cape, Homulilly's hat extends upward toward it; however, it then bends back down and doesn't reach the orb. This may represent Homura repeatedly resetting time and being unable to move on from the "mortal world".
:::The halves of the hourglass may represent separate universes, and the points of light inside of them representing stars.

:Two shapes resembling bat wings can be seen behind the "HOMULILLY" runes. These may either extend out of Homulilly's cape or be part of the hourglass's top half. --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 18:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

==Speculations==
Regarding the speculation where it mentioned Homura did not use time magic a lot and so she did not have much sand on the other side. Perhaps what Homura noticed is that the hourglass that contain the sand was broken and she no longer can use the magic to reverse the time any more. Thus, her despair took over and she turned into a witch. [[User:Demonicslayer|Demonicslayer]] 17:39, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:That makes sense, in the anime Homura uses the reverse magic when she runs out of sand or when she still has left. It would be strange if she couldnt unless the hourlass was broken... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:53, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

This reminds me, is there any evidence regarding "witch name is literally "Homu Yuri" (ほむ百合)"?? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:35, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:Not really, it was a joke. There's not much behind it beside ''Yuri'' means ''Lily''. Also I don't think her hourglass works that way (cite: Otona Anime interview, IIRC) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 07:37, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:: Is that interview translated or something so we can link it to the page? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:22, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Hmm, I can't seems to find it but IIRC Urobuchi said no matter how much sand left Homu will return to the beginning on the bed at the hospital. Let's see if I can still find the source for it... --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 09:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
::I could see it being a dual pun to both the spider lilly and yuri, since the lilly is so commonly associated with yuri in Japan. The fact they used Homura's nickname "Homu" fits the feeling that the name was made a bit jokingly. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 09:45, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:::It's also worth nothing that Inukare were the one who nicknamed Homura "Homuhomu" --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 09:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

==Grief Seed==
Does anyone know if they made an artwork version of Homura's grief seed? It makes no sense that made her witch form but nothing about her grief seed... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:54, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:None as far as I can find. The Homulilly illustration in the game is slightly larger (longer) than the one in special DVD (camera panning to the same view area as gallery) but I doubt it is anything related to her Grief Seed. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 01:07, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
::I can make one if asked
:::Wasn't her Grief Seed technically shown in Episode 11?
[[File:Homura_grief_seed.png|thumb]]
::::Indeed it was. Looks like a gear to me, but this I took that screenie from the TV version, perhaps it's detailed on the BD. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Here's the BD version with a bright background. [[File:E11_homuras_final_form.png|50px]] [[User:KM|KM]] 08:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
There is post on 2channel that grief seed toy have homulily at event, maybe on sale july http://ikura.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anichara2/1331497381/433-435 [[Special:Contributions/43.244.33.79|43.244.33.79]] 00:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== Meaning homulilly name ==

Hello, I come from 2channel
Post on 2channel witch book link to foreign blog which I think has meaning of name correct
http://ikura.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anichara2/1331497381/363
Sorry but I post in japanese remainig 此岸と彼岸は対になってるし、ＰＳＰカスタムテーマにあるホムリリィのものと思われる刻印は彼岸花がモチーフになっているので、リリィは「百合」じゃなくてスパイダーリリィのことで間違いないと思う。まあダブルミーニングの可能性は十分にあるのだけれども
[[Special:Contributions/43.244.33.79|43.244.33.79]] 00:55, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
:This is already mentioned above in [[#What we think we know so far:]] however possible Homulilly symbol in PSP theme seems to be new. Hmm.
:Judging from "彼岸花", Is it the one in フォト menu? (See below)
:[[File:PSP Photo Icon.jpg|200px]]
:--[[User:0x99|0x99]] 07:09, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

==You Tube Video==
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCfjeHWPGRg Homulilly event]
Jesus Christ! This is so heartwrentching!

Talk:Homulilly

2012-06-11T13:31:32Z

Derp101(2): Undo revision 44270 by 75.165.80.183 (talk)

I knew it! My Faust Theory was correct! [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 17:26, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
== Defeats Walpurgis Night without draining all her MP? ==

Isn't this contradict with the information written in [http://www4.atwiki.jp/madomagi_portable/pages/20.html Madoka Portable Wiki]? (ネタバレ注意　隠しエンド（？） below) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 17:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:I do not understand how can Homura become a Witch that way... it would make more sense if she drained all her MP... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:39, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
::Are you referring to the article or Japanese wiki? Japanese wiki state that you have to die in the lowest floor of Walpurgis Night (with Wal's HP gauge, not the beginning of the dungeon) in order to get Homulilly "Game Over" illustration, which make sense. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 23:49, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Ah, now makes sense. I thought she became a witch without losing alot of MP. I was refering to this ''"If Homura defeats Walpurgis Night without draining all her MP, she will become a witch and cause a Game Over."'', it needs clarification. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

==Regarding Name==
Candeloro makes sense for Mami (Italian and the meaning behind it, see the page), Ophelia too (with regards to the Shakespeare speculation)... and several other names that are German and foreign for the witches... but Homulilly? (it feels out of place with the Faustian/German/Other foreign names theme etc.) Couldnt they at least try to find some sort of equivalent that was more subtle at least? I wonder who came up with the name (eyes Hanokage). For Yurifans, this would be marvelous but also would feel like hitting them with a blunt instrument that says "yes, she is that way"... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
:I remember seeing speculation on 2ch that it has to do with her being the witch of "this life/world," or "shigan" in Japanese. Shigan is the opposite of higan (nirvana). Higanbana (literally "higan flowers") is the Japanese name for red spider lillies. So maybe they made up a shiganbana, or Homu lilly, as a pun. [[User:Ykm|Ykm]] 00:18, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
::Sounds plausible yet I cannot help to think this is just a clever way to say it without saying it by being blunt about it and clever about it... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:50, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Clever? This fucking name makes me want to kill babies. If they wanted to go the Japanese theme they could have used actual Japanese, instead they went with a suggestive pun that turns Homura's witch into a giant fucking joke. I was banking on her being walpurgis but to sink this low with creative license is unacceptable. Instead of being interested in why Walpurgis is so important and related to Gretchen if she's not Homura, I just get mad over how they squandered an opportunity to do nothing more than turn a pivotal character into a laughing stock.

==What we think we know so far:==
[[File:Homulilly.png|300px|right|thumb|better image quality]]

*[[:File:Homulilly.jpg|"HOMULILLY"]]: Witch with a disc on the top with infinite sign. Her witch type is {{Nihongo|此岸の魔女|Shigan no Majō}} (or "shigan") which basically means "Witch of Mortal World" (i.e. the opposite of [[wikipedia:Higan|Higan]]). Witch runes below reads "Game Over".
**"Shigan" is the opposite of "Higan" (nirvana). Higanbana (literally "higan flowers") is the Japanese name for [[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata|red spider lillies]]. So shiganbana, or Homu lilly, could be a pun.
***Lycoris radiata ([[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata#Uses|red spider lily]]) are very poisonous. These are mostly used in Japan, and they are used to surround their paddies and houses to keep the pest and mice away. That is why most of them grow close to rivers now.
***In Japan the Red Spider Lily signals the arrival of fall. Many Buddhist will use it to celebrate the arrival of fall with a ceremony at the tomb of one of their ancestors. They plant them on graves because it shows a tribute to the dead. People believe that since the Red Spider Lily is mostly associated with death that one should never give a bouquet of these flowers
***[[:file:PSP Photo Icon.jpg|Homulilly's witch kiss]] could reaffirm the Spider Lily connection.
*witch name is literally {{Nihongo|"Homu Yuri"|ほむ百合}}
*[[wikipedia:Lycoris_radiata#Legends|Legend:]]

:Since these scarlet flowers usually bloom near cemeteries around the autumnal equinox, they are described in Chinese and Japanese translations of the [[wikipedia:Lotus_Sutra|Lotus Sutra]] as ominous flowers that grow in [[wikipedia:Diyu|Diyu]] (also known as Hell), or Huángquán (Simplified Chinese: 黄泉; Traditional Chinese: 黃泉), and guide the dead into the next reincarnation. 
:When the flowers of ''lycoris'' bloom, their leaves would have fallen; when their leaves grow, the flowers would have wilted. This habit gave rise to various legends. A famous one is the legend of two elves: Mañju (Simplified Chinese: 曼珠; Traditional Chinese: 曼珠), who guarded the flower, and Saka (Simplified Chinese: 沙华; Traditional Chinese: 沙華), who guarded the leaves. Out of curiosity, they defied their fate of guarding the herb alone, and managed to meet each other. At first sight, they fell in love with each other. [[wikipedia:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]], exasperated by their waywardness, separated the miserable couple, and laid a curse on them as a punishment: the flowers of Mañju shall never meet the leaves of Saka again. It was said that when the couple met after death in Diyu, they vowed to meet each other after reincarnation. However, neither of them could keep their words. In commemoration of the couple, some call the herbs 'Mañjusaka' (Simplified Chinese:曼珠沙华; Traditional Chinese: 曼珠沙華), a mixture of 'Mañju' and 'Saka', instead of their scientific name. The same name is used in Japanese, in which it is pronounced ''manjushage''. 
:Some other legends have it that when you see someone that you may never meet again, these flowers, also called red spider lilies, would bloom along the path. Perhaps because of these sorrowful legends, Japanese people often used these flowers in funerals. The popular Japanese name {{nihongo|''Higanbana''|彼岸花|Higan bana}} for lycoris radiata literally means [[wikipedia:higan|higan]] (the other or that shore of [[wikipedia:Sanzu_River|Sanzu River]]) flower, decorate and enjoyable, flower of afterlife in {{nihongo|''gokuraku jyōdo''|極楽浄土|gokuraku jyōdo}}. 

*Design: (please, add anything you may notice)...--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:46, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
:If you notice, the sides have a curb shape like an hourglass and the grey/white dots could be sand.
:The top part looks like an old vinyl record, the stylus has an odd shape. If you think about it, it almost makes it look like a stereotypical witches' hat.
::It's a record. Records are known for what when broken? Constant repetition of the same warped sounds, when they break. What happened in Homura's life to cause her such grief? Constant repetition of the same horrific events, when she resets. it seems like Homulilly's theme is an inability to escape the sequence of events in PMMM ('witch of this world' = 'unable to move on from horrible events'?). What with the infinity symbol, the scratched record, etc. [[User:Doctor Bad Ideas|Doctor Bad Ideas]] 23:05, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
:Under the vinyl record, what looks like hair or pig tails, could be moemura's pigtails.
::Plus, there appears to be what looks like a chin right under the record, making her look like a classic Witch.
:The section where the braided parts meet, there is something like red sticks.
::These sticks could be knitting needles, held by hands formed by the ends of her pigtails.
:Under the red stick, the hair forms the shape of what that looks like the number eight or the infinite symbol.
::If you think about it, it almost looks like an hourglass shape too...

*Infinite Symbol:
**While it could be a reference to Homura's time reset, it could have some connection to the [[wikipedia:Steady_State_theory|Steady State Theory]] (aka Infinite Universe).
***The Theory is a model developed as an alternative to the Big Bang Theory, the idea is that the universe is not only infinite, but the issue of entropy is of little consequence as new matter is created to solve the problem. While the Big Bang Theory suggests that not only does the universe has a beginning, but as it expands it will reach to an end (among many theories, [[wikipedia:Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe#Big_Freeze_or_heat_death|entropy plays a role in it]]):

:::"In 1948, some cosmologists who were unhappy with the big bang proposed a radical new model of the universe, based on the idea that the universe was not only homogenous in space (a fundamental concept in most models of the universe) but in time. This means, as the universe expands and galaxies separate, new galaxies form to fill the gaps created.

:::This theory appealed to many, as it had none of the problems associated with the big bang - what preceded it, what caused it, and so forth. Furthermore, it explained most of the effects that the big bang did - the red-shift is explained by the expansion, the background radiation is the light from former stars red-shifted. Furthermore, the theory requires only a minor modification in the laws of relativity, and the rate of matter creation is too low to be observable in any case.

:::Observational evidence proved to be the undoing of the steady state theory. The number of quasars increases when looking back into the past, violating the perfect cosmological principle. Furthermore, as time is infinite, another intelligent species should already have colonized the observable universe, which is obviously not the case.

:::In terms of thermodynamics, the steady state theory resolves some problems and generates others. It allows the universe to have existed for an infinite time, because as entropy increases, more matter appears which increases the order again - the new matter is an inexhaustible supply of negative entropy. In the same way, this balancing of entropy with new matter could be the very reason for space's expansion.

:::However, the steady state theory breaks both [[wikipedia:First_law_of_thermodynamics|the first]] and [[wikipedia:Second_law_of_thermodynamics|second law of thermodynamics]] with the matter increases, although novel ways around the problem have been suggested - for example, the universe could be like a massive black hole, which absorbs extra matter when it expands. Even so, though, the matter increase is, to my mind, too small to balance the entropy increases caused by, for example, the stars burning.

:::The steady state theory flourished in the sixties, but today, few people believe it."[http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sbleas/creative/entropy/#11]

:The bottom part of the witch's cape stretches down and connects to the pink orb in the hourglass-like shape in the background. It's unclear whether it's extending out of the hourglass or getting pulled in, as if by a black hole.
::A matching pink orb is in the top half of the hourglass. Like the bottom part of her cape, Homulilly's hat extends upward toward it; however, it then bends back down and doesn't reach the orb. This may represent Homura repeatedly resetting time and being unable to move on from the "mortal world".
:::The halves of the hourglass may represent separate universes, and the points of light inside of them representing stars.

:Two shapes resembling bat wings can be seen behind the "HOMULILLY" runes. These may either extend out of Homulilly's cape or be part of the hourglass's top half. --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 18:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

==Speculations==
Regarding the speculation where it mentioned Homura did not use time magic a lot and so she did not have much sand on the other side. Perhaps what Homura noticed is that the hourglass that contain the sand was broken and she no longer can use the magic to reverse the time any more. Thus, her despair took over and she turned into a witch. [[User:Demonicslayer|Demonicslayer]] 17:39, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:That makes sense, in the anime Homura uses the reverse magic when she runs out of sand or when she still has left. It would be strange if she couldnt unless the hourlass was broken... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:53, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

This reminds me, is there any evidence regarding "witch name is literally "Homu Yuri" (ほむ百合)"?? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:35, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:Not really, it was a joke. There's not much behind it beside ''Yuri'' means ''Lily''. Also I don't think her hourglass works that way (cite: Otona Anime interview, IIRC) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 07:37, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:: Is that interview translated or something so we can link it to the page? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:22, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Hmm, I can't seems to find it but IIRC Urobuchi said no matter how much sand left Homu will return to the beginning on the bed at the hospital. Let's see if I can still find the source for it... --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 09:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
::I could see it being a dual pun to both the spider lilly and yuri, since the lilly is so commonly associated with yuri in Japan. The fact they used Homura's nickname "Homu" fits the feeling that the name was made a bit jokingly. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 09:45, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
:::It's also worth nothing that Inukare were the one who nicknamed Homura "Homuhomu" --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 09:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

==Grief Seed==
Does anyone know if they made an artwork version of Homura's grief seed? It makes no sense that made her witch form but nothing about her grief seed... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:54, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
:None as far as I can find. The Homulilly illustration in the game is slightly larger (longer) than the one in special DVD (camera panning to the same view area as gallery) but I doubt it is anything related to her Grief Seed. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 01:07, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
::I can make one if asked
:::Wasn't her Grief Seed technically shown in Episode 11?
[[File:Homura_grief_seed.png|thumb]]
::::Indeed it was. Looks like a gear to me, but this I took that screenie from the TV version, perhaps it's detailed on the BD. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Here's the BD version with a bright background. [[File:E11_homuras_final_form.png|50px]] [[User:KM|KM]] 08:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
There is post on 2channel that grief seed toy have homulily at event, maybe on sale july http://ikura.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anichara2/1331497381/433-435 [[Special:Contributions/43.244.33.79|43.244.33.79]] 00:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== Meaning homulilly name ==

Hello, I come from 2channel
Post on 2channel witch book link to foreign blog which I think has meaning of name correct
http://ikura.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anichara2/1331497381/363
Sorry but I post in japanese remainig 此岸と彼岸は対になってるし、ＰＳＰカスタムテーマにあるホムリリィのものと思われる刻印は彼岸花がモチーフになっているので、リリィは「百合」じゃなくてスパイダーリリィのことで間違いないと思う。まあダブルミーニングの可能性は十分にあるのだけれども
[[Special:Contributions/43.244.33.79|43.244.33.79]] 00:55, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
:This is already mentioned above in [[#What we think we know so far:]] however possible Homulilly symbol in PSP theme seems to be new. Hmm.
:Judging from "彼岸花", Is it the one in フォト menu? (See below)
:[[File:PSP Photo Icon.jpg|200px]]
:--[[User:0x99|0x99]] 07:09, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

==You Tube Video==
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCfjeHWPGRg Homulilly event]
Jesus Christ! This is so heartwrentching!

Talk:Misako Ishijima

2012-06-02T23:46:03Z

Derp101(2):

Remi Shiina either died fighting or turned into a witch, that's a no brainer I guess. --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 23:45, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Misako Ishijima

2012-06-02T23:45:51Z

Derp101(2): Created page with "Remi Shiina either died fighting or turned into a witch, that's a no brainer I guess --~~~~"

Remi Shiina either died fighting or turned into a witch, that's a no brainer I guess --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 23:45, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

User talk:0x99

2012-05-30T04:22:18Z

Derp101(2):

Are you alright? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 00:40, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
:Me and [[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] are worried about you, too - we've already talked about that, see [[MediaWiki talk:Common.css]]... I hope your absence is nothing serious... And thank you for your awesome work making and maintaining this wiki! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 02:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
::I'm fine, just got called for urgent work recently. Thanks for worrying. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 06:09, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

== New version of Runic font ==
[[User:FontAnon]] made a new version of the runic font, including the Q rune. It'd be nice if you could update the CSS-embedded font on the server, too. Thanks in a advance :) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 22:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 22:45, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

== Hai ==

Hai!

Ima fellow wiki admin :) To be honest im in love with ur CSS the way it displays the logo on the upper part is amazing. I was hoping you can guide me and tell me where or how can I get that skin. I think its called magica skin. I greatly appreciate any help you can give me

Thnks alot :)

--[[User:Framadi|Framadi]] 09:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Recent attacks ==

So, there were some dumbasses erasing content on the wiki and now we are forced to do some lock ups. When did that sudden wave of hatred and trolling came upon us?

:Magica skin is just an extension over MediaWiki's default Vector skin. There's nothing beyond the overrides found it [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/main.css magica/main.css] file. Top left logo is just a transparent PNG with actual logo in the [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/header.jpg header image]. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 09:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Hai Ty so much for ur help :)
Ahm im afraid I am a little bit nobish :( so I was hoping :( if u can point out me out to the right direction on how to "override" the vector skin? or install the skin.

Thank you so much. I appreciate any help you ca give me :)

Cheers!

== Countdown ==

There used to be this countdown box when episodes were airing and I really loved it and wanted a countdown myself. I was wondering, how did you install the countdown extension? I seem to be unable to get it added. I created a Coundown.php files with the code from the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Countdown|Extension Countdown page] and added the file to the extention folder, and added an require_once line to LocalSettings.php, but that does not seem to work out.
It would be absolutely great if you could help me out with it. [[Special:Contributions/90.136.128.115|90.136.128.115]] 20:55, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

:Inside Countdown.php, on a line that wrote: <code>function renderCountdown($input, $argv, &$parser) {</code> change it to <code>function renderCountdown($input, $argv, $parser) {</code>. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 21:05, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
:: Thanks a lot! Will hopefully remember next time I will look up what php version the webhoster has... [[Special:Contributions/90.136.128.115|90.136.128.115]] 21:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Translations ==

I talked to symbv re: our current project with scans and he expressed interest in seeing them and helping out with translations. Seems like anytime would be good, he's fairly fast in getting translations out. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 04:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:That's cool, though I've been busy at work this week; the scanning pace would be slower than I originally expected. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 05:07, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
::Just checking in to see if there's any possibility of having Otona Anime Volume 21 or 20 scanned? Or anything production-related we don't have translated yet? --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 03:27, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
:::Any prospect of getting more scans? We don't need Otona Anime. I will be acquiring those. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 03:22, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Will start scanning starting Monday in release order. Any magazine scan you want it first? Sorry for the long delay, though, was very busy with my project (and will probably be busy again in the next few weeks...) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 11:14, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::Nothing in particular, whatever you can do is good. Thanks. Also, I noticed there's a 2MB size limit on upload files. This is a problem for me since most high quality scans are larger than 2MB. Is there anything that can be done about that? --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 14:15, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::Bumped to 20MB. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 14:35, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks! --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 14:54, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

== Namespace ==

Hello. I was wondering: shouldn't we create a namespace for all the runes translations? At the moment, the pages are just named "Runes:Episode x", which is apparently considered plain text, and not considered as namespace + page name (and I do not know how to make one). --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

==WPC==
Hey, how's walpurgischan going? 
Just saying, on Wednesday it'll be 6 months since ep1 premiered. Would be classy if we had "something" to mark that day :) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 12:38, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:Oh wow, that's right. OK my contribution will be to get the docs page ready by then with what we have, plus any new scans if you have the time, 0x99. This could be a nice addition to whatever cool, celebratory thing you all decide on doing. Also, with Aniplex licensing Madoka to the U.S., I expect we'll start seeing more visitors to the wiki at some point. Just something to think about if we have any long-term plans. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 13:46, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
::Actually, I don't think we have that much long-term projects, except that whole Documents thingy (and walpurgischan if that one's still holding, but it's not directly related to the wiki) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 22:04, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry, getting way too busy with work lately (few weeks before project launch); will try to get it done before Wed. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 08:57, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::Once again, if you want help with the coding, feel free to ask :) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::PS: Nice, the Madoka-related captcha for non-logged users :) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== CloudFlare errors ==

Recently, I guess after you installed CloudFlare, I've been running into HTTP 502 or 503 errors with CloudFlare footer to them. They don't happen too often, but eg. today when I navigated to the wiki, I got an error and it showed up only after refreshing... It wasn't happening before, so you may want to look into it. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 19:14, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for reporting. I've turned off few stuff that might be the cause of this problem, please ping me if this happens again (either here or via email). I'll turn off CloudFlare if the problem persists. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 23:35, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
::OK, I'm seeing it now. Will ask CloudFlare to inspect into this. I've disabled everything except CDN for the time being; let's see if the problem still persists (ping me if it does) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 00:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

==Caching==
I have no idea what may be the reason for this, but I uploaded an updated version of [[:File:Kyouko Sakura Place-in Design.jpg]] - 2 hours have since passed, but the updated version hasn't showed up. I think it's way too long to be normal. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 18:10, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
:CloudFlare caching settings was a bit too aggressive; it was set to 5 days previously, I've changed it to 2 hours now (minimum caching limit). In a long run it might make more sense to apply timestamp to the file which would allow the file to be updated instantly (I'm not sure if MediaWiki has any extension to do that though, may need to write my own) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
:Image upload should be instantaneous now. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 10:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==Momo Sakura==
Do we have confirmation that Mami Shirata voiced Momo Sakura in the Drama CD, Farewell Story as well? It was rumored/suspected that was Chiwa Saitou... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
:Is seiyuu's own official website is not enough of a confirmation? Here's two credits from Madopo I've found:
::杏子の父　銀河万丈
::杏子の母　井上喜久子
::杏子の妹　設楽麻美
:I didn't check the ending credit myself, though. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 14:29, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
::Kyoko's mother isn't on the list. In fact, she didn't have a single word to say in the game. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Kyouko's mother one is from Farewell Story, it seems (though no source). Can you confirm the rest? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
::::I have seen the others on staff list when ED is playing. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:21, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::Thanks! --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 16:26, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

== Runes.ttf ==

I just found [http://www.derwok.de/downloads/ttfpatch/ a free tool] which can change the ttf's ''embeddable'' flag so IE9 can render it, update the ttf if you think it's better to allow it shows in IE9.
--[[User:AkitaNeru|AkitaNeru]] 13:01, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for the tip, I've patched and updated the font but can't really check if it's working (don't have access to IE). It probably need few more hours for cache to get updated so if you don't see the embedded runes in IE9, please feel free to ping me again. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 14:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
<pre>% md5sum runes*
743bc26c29f6d495ee534c816cade05a runesmusical-original.ttf
b40a8b33996c51993d9e63b2c75d6436 runesmusical-patched.ttf
a34bd82eaf6250c042b824eb33b38e2e runes-original.ttf
b71f53bbc4e0b7fe19f8e56ab24d4b84 runes-patched.ttf</pre>
[[File:TTF-Problem.png|thumb|right|Your original runesmusical.ttf works perfectly in IE9]]
::I'm sorry to tell you this, but I'm afraid you were doing it wrong... According to IEBlog along with the tool's help message, you might want to set the value to '''0''' in order to show it in IE9.
::Your original runesmusical.ttf had the value set to 0, so I can see it rendering perfectly in IE9 without any changing, now both the musical & the regular font won't show in IE9.
::After trying to change the value to 0, the MD5 hash of runesmusical.ttf also return to '''743bc26c29f6d495ee534c816cade05a''', and for runes.ttf it became '''82b225cee251dadf30f1c8723b803f19'''.
::My English skill is not good enough for explaning this, hope you can understand what I'm trying to tell. Anyway, I feel happy to know you are glad to patch the font.
::I tested the fonts I've patched, they work perfectly when I use IE9 to view my local test site. --[[User:AkitaNeru|AkitaNeru]] 09:52, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:::OK thank you for the feedback. I'll try patching it again once I get access to Windows machine (probably after work.) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 11:04, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:::I've updated the fonts, can you force reload the page and confirm if it works? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 11:49, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
<pre>% md5sum runes*
743bc26c29f6d495ee534c816cade05a runesmusical.ttf
82b225cee251dadf30f1c8723b803f19 runes.ttf</pre>
::::Great! They are working now! --[[User:AkitaNeru|AkitaNeru]] 13:48, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

==Gekidan Gallery==
Hey 0x99. I was wondering if you ever intend to upload the remainig images from the Inukare Gallery from Portable. So far on the wiki, we have design art images of Quitterie, interior shots of Gretchen, and Homulilly. Would you be willing to upload any remaining images form the Gallery? [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 10:11, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:I want to try avoiding uploading duplicates, can you make a list of what's already uploaded and I'll upload the rest? ---[[User:0x99|0x99]] 11:05, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:: Here's what's already been uploaded:
*http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Quitterie_comparison.png (Needs to be in HD)
*http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Homulilly.png
*http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Witch_of_Salvation_Center.png
*http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Interior_of_the_witch_of_salvation.png
*http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:PSP_Inu_Curry_Art_Gallery.jpg (Higher-quality image of Candeloro needed)
Other than that, you should be able to put up everything else in the Gallery [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 11:56, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:OK thanks, I'll update the rest once I got back. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:04, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::What time do you get back by? Right now I'm in England and it's 3 in the afternoon here [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 13:56, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Just now. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:34, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 16:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:: What else is on the special CD that needs uploading? What's the illustration gallery suppose to be? [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 16:19, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::: Just event CGs. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 16:24, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
:::: Have you obtained a copy of the guide yet? [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 16:30, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::::: You mean the PSP guide? Not yet, and probably not any time soon, I think. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 16:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::We should probably fix up the Witch cards [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 17:06, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
::::: I take that back, just bought one on my way back. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 17:13, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::: Sweet. Let the uploads begin. [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 17:28, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::: I '''don't''' think I'll tear the whole thing down and scan, though. What information in particular do you want? There's strategy guide (that I probably won't scan [too many pages, copyright, etc.]), events CG (mostly uploaded). Only the interview with developer team at the end (4 pages) that seems to be interesting. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 17:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I've been told there are original illustrations and background info about the witch Barriers in the book. [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 18:17, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::The closest page to that description I could found is this:
:::::::::[[File:Madoka Magica Portable Guide Main Characters Witches.jpg|400px]]
:::::::::I couldn't find any page about background info about the witch barriers, only strategy guide. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:37, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::See if there are Witch illustrations or if there is any info regarding Quittiere and Itzli. [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 18:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::None that I could find. In fact, I don't think Inukare is even involved in this strategy guide at all. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::If there is anything Witch-related, or interviews . . . [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 18:58, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
┌──────────────────────┘ 
Yeah, I tried to find it, interview seems to be mostly about game development. I'll scan it later. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:06, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
: Oh! See if there are names for Witch familiars [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 19:58, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

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the sequence of events leading up to this is even more ridiculous than you'd probably think --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 01:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
:The way she talked at the end, is she an Incubator? If so then shit just got beyond epic! --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 02:28, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

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The first take, man that's just... sons of bitches and their foreshadowing can burn hell DAMMIT!!! --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 19:52, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
: What are you getting that? [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 20:29, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
:: Take a look at what that table is reflecting, and compare to what happened in the next episode. {{spoiler| Mami's head is on the table.}} --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 01:41, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
::: You mean {{spoiler|in her hands like a traditional dullahan}} [[User:Prima|Prima]] 02:48, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
:::: Sort of... --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 12:59, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

File talk:Madoka BD 6.jpg

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File talk:Madoka BD 6.jpg

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The first take, man that's just... sons of bitches and their foreshadowing can burn hell DAMMIT!!! --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 19:52, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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The emblem of the soul gem is really like Homura's. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 13:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
:It is probably one of those adaptations they made from official art. --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 15:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Hitomi Shizuki

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Glossary

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__NOTOC__


<blockquote> ''"If magical girls are said to be born from positive desires like wishes, then witches are born from negative desires like curses."'' ''"Magical girls spread hope, where witches spread despair."'' ''"And to make matters worse, they can't be seen by normal humans."'' ''"Doubt and suspicion, extreme anger and hate. They bring seeds of catastrophe to this world."'' - '''[[Kyubey]]''', [[Episode 2]].</blockquote>

===Barrier===
{{Glossary
|term = {{Nihongo|Barrier|結界|Kekkai}}
|description = An otherworld used by [[Witch]]es to conceal themselves. Should a normal human wander in by accident, it is impossible for them to escape.
|image = File:Witch ep2 entering.jpg
|image_desc = Madoka and friends entering [[Gertrud's maze|Gertrud's barrier]].
}}

In the anime, these locations are designed and animated by [[Gekidan Inu Curry]] in a style vastly different from that of the rest of the series in order to reinforce the otherworldly aspect. Inside and outside of the anime they are sometimes referred to as {{Nihongo|Mazes|迷路|Meiro}}. 
According to the [[Dengeki_PlayStation_2012-01-12|January 2012 Dengeki PlayStation]], the barrier is {{Spoiler|"a space resembling the magical girl's mental landscape before she became a witch."}}

===Familiar===
{{Glossary
|term = {{Nihongo|Familiar|使い魔|Tsukaima}}
|description = Lesser monsters divided out of the essence of a [[Witch]]. Though normally assigned the task of maintaining and defending their parent-witch's [[barrier]], it seems that they can eventually gain independence and stray to form their own barriers. Further growing, they take on the form of their parent.
|image = File:Ulla_screen.png
|image_desc = [[Ulla]], [[Suleika]]'s familiar in her own [[barrier]].
}}
They do not drop any Grief Seeds when killed unless they have grown into a full Witch. 
According to the [[Dengeki_PlayStation_2012-01-12|January 2012 Dengeki PlayStation]], familiars are {{Spoiler|"projections of the magical girl's heart before she became a witch."}}


===Grief Seed===
{{Glossary|
|term = {{Nihongo|Grief Seed|グリーフシード}}
|description = A [[Witch]]'s egg, which occasionally appears after a Witch is defeated. Puella Magi require these items to restore their depleted magical energies.
|image = File:Grief seed.png
|image_desc = [[Gertrud]]'s Grief Seed.
}}


All Grief Seeds drain grief when put close to a dim Soul Gem, cleaning it. In episode 6, [[Kyuubey]] warns that absorbing too much Grief can revive the witch.

Sometimes magical girls also use grief seeds to test if she can cooperate with another magical girl. Rejecting a grief seed from another magical girl means refusing to work with her and hostility. {{Spoiler|Both Mami and Homura did such kind of tests.}}

For more information, see: [[Speculah:Grief Seeds]].

For the "false/fake" Grief Seeds known as Evil Nuts only in the Kazumi spin-off manga, please see [[Evil Nuts|here]].



===Magical girl===
{{Glossary
|term = {{Nihongo|Magical girl|魔法少女|Mahō shōjo}}
|description = Girls who have formed a contract with a ''Messenger of Magic'' (the only one seen in the anime is [[Kyubey]]), and in exchange gained the power of magic. Beings charged with the task of combating [[Witch]]es.
|image = File:Vlcsnap-2011-09-06-17h43m25s214.png
|image_desc = [[Mami Tomoe|Mami Tomoe,]] a magical girl.
}}
* The term "Puella Magi" is also sometimes used among fans.
* For more information, see [[Characters]].



===Soul Gem===
{{Glossary
|term = {{Nihongo|Soul Gem|ソウルジェム}}
|description = A gem birthed from a contract with [[Kyubey]]. Proof that one is a Puella Magi; the source of her magical power. 
|image = File:Soul gem.png
|image_desc = [[Mami Tomoe|Mami]]'s Soul gem
}}

[[Episode 6]] reveals {{Spoiler|that Soul Gems contain the magical girl's soul, while the body is merely a husk that is controlled by the Gem.}}

[[Episode 8]] reveals {{Spoiler|if the Soul Gem is not cleansed in time and reaches a certain point it will become a Grief Seed and birth a new witch.}}

===Walpurgis Night===
{{Glossary
|term = {{Nihongo|Walpurgis Night|ワルプルギスの夜}}
|description = A gargantuan witch impossible for a single magical girl to handle on her own. 
|image = File:Walpurgis-e11.jpg
|image_desc =
}}

For more information, see: [[Speculah:Walpurgis Night]].

===Witch===
{{Glossary
|term = {{Nihongo|Witch|魔女|Majo}}
|description = The negative impulse that is called anxiety or suspicion, or excessive wrath or hatred = beings that spread the seeds of disaster across the world. Normally, they conceal themselves behind [[#Barrier|barriers]]. 
|image = File:Gertrud_ep2.jpg
|image_desc = [[Gertrud|Gertrud]], a witch.
}}

[[Episode 8]] reveals {{Spoiler|that Witches are in fact the "grown" forms of Puella Magi, as 魔女, Majo, are evolved forms of 魔法少女, Mahou Shoujo.}}

===Witch's Kiss===
{{Glossary
|term = {{Nihongo|Witch's Kiss|魔女の口づけ|Majo no kuchizuke}}
|description = A mark that appears on a human targeted by a [[Witch]].
|image = File:Witch's kiss.png
|image_desc = [[Gertrud|Gertrud's]] Witch's kiss on a victim's body
}}


==External links==
*[http://www.madoka-magica.com/special/keyword/junko.html Glossary page on the official website]

[[Category:In-universe topics]]

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Mami alone again, poor thing. The creators shoul give her a girl friend on the movies. --[[User:Derp101(2)|Derp101(2)]] 15:19, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

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Mami alone again, poor thing. The creators shoul give her a girl friend on the movies.

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Gisela

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'''Gisela''' ({{Runes|GISELA}}) is a [[witch]] who battles [[Kyouko]] within the flashback scene in [[Episode 7]].

{{Card
|name = Gisela (Rust Form)
|runes = GISELA
|image = File:Card_Gisela.png
|japanese_desc = 銀の魔女。その性質は自由。高速で移動する結界の中に潜んでいるが魔女自身は非常に愚鈍。残念ながら科学的な力は一切使えない。かつては全身目も眩むほどの銀色であったが、海岸線の夕日を眺めているうちにずいぶんと錆びてしまった。
|english_desc = The silver witch, with a liberal nature. She dwells in a barrier where everything moves at high speed, but the witch herself is dull. She unfortunately can not use any sort of scientific power. Her body was once dazzling with silver, but she has tarnished gazing upon the coastal sunset.
|type = Silver witch
|nature = Liberal
|episodes = [[Episode 7]]
}}
{{Card
|name = Gisela (Motorcycle Form)
|runes = GISELA
|image = File:Card_Gisela Silver.jpg
|japanese_desc = 銀の魔女。その性質は自由。高速で移動する結界の中に潜んでいるが魔女自身は非常に愚鈍。残念ながら科学的な力は一切使えない。かつては全身目も眩むほどの銀色であったが、海岸線の夕日を眺めているうちにずいぶんと錆びてしまった。
|english_desc = The silver witch, with a liberal nature. She dwells in a barrier where everything moves at high speed, but the witch herself is dull. She unfortunately can not use any sort of scientific power. Her body was once dazzling with silver, but she has tarnished gazing upon the coastal sunset.
|type = Silver witch
|nature = Liberal
|episodes = [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]
}}

== Minions ==
{{Card
|name = Dora
|runes = DORA
|image = File:Card_Dora.png
|japanese_desc = 銀の魔女の手下。その役割は主張。体についたパイプから近所迷惑な爆音を撒き散らし気まぐれな砂嵐のように移動する。嫌いなものは磁石。
|english_desc = The silver witch's minion, whose duty is to declare her opinion. She makes a nuisance of herself with the roaring from the pipes extending from her body as she moves about like a freak sandstorm. She hates magnets.
|type = Silver witch's minion
|task = Declaring opinions
|episodes = [[Episode 7]]
}}

==Trivia==
*According to commentary from Inu Curry in the official [[Guidebook]], the Doras play the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqKPWO5T4o Godfather theme] from their exhaust pipes.

==Speculation and Observation==
*Witches and their barriers are [[Dengeki PlayStation 2012-01-12|a reflection of what is in the heart of the girls]] when they become magical girls. It is speculated that Gisela's Witch form may have something to do with the [[wikipedia:Bōsōzoku|Bōsōzoku]] (Japanese motorcycle gangs).
**Many, if not most, of bōsōzoku came from a lower socioeconomic class and may have used the motorcycle gang activities as a way to express disaffection and dissatisfaction with Japanese mainstream society. Many of the most hard-core bōsōzoku would become lower-ranking members of the [[wikipedia:Yakuza|Yakuza]] after turning 20 years of age.
*In the anime version of the events, it is assumed that Gisela was defeated at the hands of Kyoko in her flashback for the timeline of the anime where Madoka makes her wish to destroy all witches. However, in the [[Madoka Magica Portable|Madoka PSP game]], Gisela can be defeated at two different times. One, by Kyoko in her route in the past, to protect her family. Or two, she can be defeated by Mami in her route, during a time period after Madoka has contracted, with or without Madoka's assistance. Both routes are clearly different timelines, as events unfold in a completely different manner, such as Mami dying to Charlotte before the start of Kyoko's route. Since game events differ from the anime, e.g. it's impossible to exactly recreate the events of the main timeline of the anime, discrepancies can easily be attributed to differing timelines. In the anime, there are examples of differences across timelines such as Oktavia having different familiars or Kyousuke playing violin in one and the guitar in another. The same logic seems to apply with the game. Fans have generated speculation on two different appearances by Gisela in the game.
::While Kyoko has an impressive fight against Gisela, the flashback doesn't show the outcome of the battle, making it ambiguous enough to determine with certainty if Kyoko did kill her after all. In the game it is unambiguous as Kyoko kills her in her route.
::The events are taking place in an alternative universe, a world where Gisela never fought Kyoko. There is precedent for this: (see: [[Speculah:Magical_Powers#Travel_to_Parallel_Universes|Speculah: Parallel Universes]])
::It is possible that Gisela was actually defeated, but her Grief Seed hatched again at a later time.
::It is suggested that one of Gisela's familiars survived and became a Witch, becoming a new Gisela in its place. Or, the witch Kyoko defeated might be even a grown-up of another familiar. However, we don't know if familiars turn into the same witch or if they become their own witches.
::A more likely explanation is that for pragmatic and development reasons, they chose to re-use existing witches rather than make more witches, or they didn't care about continuity between game routes. It is possible the developers wanted to give players the experience of fighting the known witches from the Madoka universe.

==Gisela in the PSP Game==
*Makes a reappearance in a flashback scene and she can transform into a [[:file:Dengeki PlayStation 2012-03 2.jpg|motorcycle.]]

==Official Art==
<gallery>
File:Guidebook 0050.jpg|Puella Magi Madoka Magica Official Guidebook "You Are Not Alone"
File:Vlcsnap-2012-02-25-22h05m31s213.jpg
File:Vlcsnap-2012-02-25-22h05m44s88.jpg
File:Gisela_grief_seed.png|Gisela's Grief Seed, from [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]]
File:PSP Gisela Game Profile Main Form.jpg|Portable Game profile
File:PSP Gisela Game Profile Motorcycle Form.jpg|Motorcycle form in the game
File:Inukare Gallery Gisela.png
File:Inukare Gallery Gisela Barrier.png
File:Inukare Gallery Gisela Barrier 2.png
</gallery>

==Fan Art==
{{fanart}}
<gallery>
File:21540505_p0.png|Art of Gisela and Dora
File:25344786.png
File:19714085 p0.jpg
File:24439252.jpg
File:18645466.png
File:GISELA black white artwork.jpg
File:18471637 p14.jpg
</gallery>

== External links ==
*{{card_link|id=13}}
*{{card_link|id=14|name=Dora}}
*[http://www.pixiv.net/tags.php?tag=Gisela Gisela pixiv fanart]
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