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"T - The reason why we chose PSP was not because it could only be done in PSP but because we thought what game console is used by the people who watched Madoka."<br><3 <3 <3 --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 18:31, 11 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
* ...And here I am stuck with the 3DS. <br><br />
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On another note, would anyone translate the Famitsu article? I've heard some people say it mentions the possibility other characters become witches, and I'd like additional confirmation.-- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 00:23, 12 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Trailer==<br />
Trailer's been released: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JJ1JLv3UCs&feature=player_embedded --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 03:25, 14 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The second trailer is remade in the official web site. It contains more information than the previous C81 edition. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::I'm courious that why Kouko can use Rosso Fantasma? Did't she lost that ability before the time point Homura can get back? [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 00:39, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::It's possible you can help the girls change and recover to some degree, just like you can witchify them. Plus, this game also has Moemura, there's probably some sequences set in the past. --[[User:CrownClown|CrownClown]] 01:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Limited edition handkerchief ==<br />
"The "HomuHomu Handkerchief" in the Limited Edition has the identical design as the one used in the anime scene where Homura folded out a handkerchief and sat on it. I really hope that people can share the feeling of Homura sitting on a handkerchief."<br />
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LOL Japan. Imagine what a creepy otaku could do with it. - [[User:Lord of the Kakapos|Lord of the Kakapos]] 10:09, 16 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Website Updated ==<br />
Just a heads up that the game's website updated. There doesn't seem to be anything important, but it might be worth keeping an eye on it anyway - I'm half-expecting witch cards. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
*I'm expecting Witch cards soon as well. They did say there would be some new ones. [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 10:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
* Okay, it's been updated again, and it ''looks'' like something's happening at the Tokyo Game Show next week. I'm not really sure. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 18:44, 10 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:If there's anything worthwhile, I'll be posting it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Nothing worth mentioning that I've seen at the Tokyo Game show. It is one of many games where a brief preview's shown on the screen, among a bunch of other previews for upcoming games. That's it. I can't even find a video of it, only some blurry pics not even worth posting. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:22, 17 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Welp, the site's been updated again, and it looks like a pretty big update. Not sure about everything, but under the section called "Application" there seems to be something about Mami blasting away at Charlotte.--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:22, 7 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I'm gonna guess that it's a mini-game that will be available on the site on a certain date. (in this case, 14 of October)--[[Special:Contributions/84.77.58.17|84.77.58.17]] 15:03, 7 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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And the site is updated again. It looks like it's just a picture, and a picture of a keychain...but I can't tell who's on the keychain. It ''looks'' like Mami doing a Tiro Finale, but the colors are off. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:00, 18 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I can only see 2 newer special gift. One is a telephone card with Mami & Kyubey sleeping. The other is a keychain with an hourglass on it. Also it seem they provide a new version of game which supports iPad resolution now. But I cannot confirm it now. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Music==<br />
What do we know about the music that will be used in the game? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:55, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Nothing in particular. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 01:12, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Mami's Heart Pounding Tiro Finale ==<br />
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*I feel Charlotte's attack style is really dumb. I won't get hurt by it. I'm always beaten by familiars... [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 17:50, 14 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
**Besides the video on the website, are there any other videos of gameplay? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 19:00, 14 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
*** It's not easy to take video from an iPod touch. I also searched Nico video and found nothing but PV. But it might be too early for now. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 03:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
**** There's one [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdZE3cjjwQQ here]. (No Charlotte, though.) [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 04:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
*The game is commented badly as boring, monotonous, and dull. Some players commented it could be a paid game if it had been made funny. The pattern of enemy appearance is the same every time. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 22:32, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
** The first update is provided today. Charlotte now can make her diving attack on Mami. Familiars also attack with Charlotte. Now it's not that boring. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 14:24, 1 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
*** Something also happens when 600 people think 140,000 points...I ''think''.<br />
**** Yep. According to the website, it's... a cell phone background! Er, at least, I think that's what it means by "携帯待ち受けプレゼント". Something like that. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 22:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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*I have played both iPhone and Android versions. I played the iPhone version on an iPod touch (4th generation), and Android version on Sony Ericsson Xperia Neo. I feel the iPhone version more comfortable to play. Sometimes the enemy is moving and born too fast, and sometimes I feel it very show to shoot on Android version. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 07:54, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Suddenly I have some ideas about the game, although I won't expect they will do it. It seems there is some capability to expand more stages. Here are some imaginary stages I feel wonderful:<br />
:* Gertrud. Mami is still protecting Madoka and Sayaka. The enemies are different style in both shape and form of attack.<br />
:* Izabel. Mami and Madoka are protecting Homura. Madoka is controlled by CPU, or even better, controlled by 2P if some network gaming is available. But if Homura is got hit, then mission is failed.<br />
:* Patricia. She is immune to both Mami's and Madoka's attack. Only Homura(as NPC) can defeat her. But You have to protect Homura from familiars first. As a magical girl, Homura(in Moemura form) can bear some hits, but not many. The direction is changed to vertical, and Patricia is at the highest point. Mami must jump on lines to reach her, and both Madoka and Homura will follow her. After the witch appears, there is a timer start counting down. Homura must not be killed before the timer reaching zero. After time up, Homura will automatically set the bomb to kill Patricia.<br />
:But most likely they will only be in my imagination. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 17:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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* Oh no! I don't want to say 'I am such an idoit' when I get the PSP game. I have made a limited contract... [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 09:03, 22 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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*OK, I have updated this game and played it. I feel it buggy. I don't know how to choose Homura. I also can't use magic anymore. The magic meter is increasing indeed, but no matter how much it accmulated, I can't use magic! I always lose because the barrier protecting Madoka and Sayaka broken! Besides, it get harder in Ophelia's stage. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 01:59, 3 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Finally I have found a way to use special attacks and defeated Ophelia. But I couldn't upload my result. I wonder it caused by blocking IP from outsides of Japan. Currently, when you have enough magic and want to use it, press the pause icon and choose the 2nd one. Then you returned to title. There is one additional button to continue. Choose continue and wait a little moment then you can use your special attack. I defeat Ophelia by repeating doing this way. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 04:11, 4 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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* There are over 2000 players cleared Ophelia's stage. The image which is said to be astonishing is partially revealed. Mami as singer? It seems NBGI have some plans related with Idol Master, which is also made into game by NBGI. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 02:15, 3 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
: When you get the entire picture revealed, please post it! I'd love to see Mami as an idol! [[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 03:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Yeah, I have uploaded it. They said details will be revealed in upcoming Dengeki PlayStation Vol.514.<br />
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== Gameplay Mechanics Note ==<br />
You know, this is insane ridiculous speculation, but the way the gameplay mechanics are described makes me think we ''might'' see a new character. Or alternatively, magical girl Hitomi. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 00:02, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I hope so, too. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 00:10, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Madoka USA ==<br />
This is just a thought, but I wonder since we have a following in America. If DVD and blu-ray sales show strong numbers, perhaps that could convince them to release the game in English, if they think there is a market for it? I am sure localizing a game is not easy but Madoka does has some recognition in the US, albeit not sure how strong it is, but surely the numbers must be good enough to justify to chance it... Of course the gameplay must be good enough too.--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 00:20, 21 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Kyouko's School Uniform ==<br />
Ok, there is the artwork but now the character profile, seems to indicate she goes to the same school like the other characters. What are we going to do regarding this information?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Nothing, because we don't know the story behind it. She's been in a school uniform in the official art for the game (the teaparty box cover) for a while now, but we don't know why. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:49, 28 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Maybe she will transfer into Mitakihara Middle school if some condition met, just as Kyousuke being a guitarist. Who knows. BTW, there are something new on their official web site but I cannot view bigger images of something like Mami's witch form. Is there anyone having the same problem? [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:47, 29 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I also have problems only with those images. I thought it's because I can run the latest version of Adobe Flash Player for technical reasons in my current set-up, but maybe it's a problem on their side afterall. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 19:50, 29 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Translated script ==<br />
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A rather straightforward question: Think there'll be one? If this was for PC, no doubt a patch would be out fairly quick, but seeing as it's for PSP, that's not an option... --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 21:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:It typically takes a long time (years) for a patch to come out. I expect because tri4 has committed to it, that Madoka will be faster than most. It's possible too they may be willing to let out a transcript before the game integration if asked nicely. Still, you're looking at months. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:56, 8 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::I used to be in the PSP homebrew scene, kinda lost my track though. Perhaps that's why I wasn't considering a patch an option. Uh. Well, doubt I'll manage to hold back on playing anyway, but thanks. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:28, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, it could be patched like with Idolm@ster. Best way to know is ask tri4 directly since they're the ones translating it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 07:36, 9 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Know if anyone translated the menu/interface? As a veteran gamer and a biology student, I'll carry on suing a scientific approach which I'm sure you can guess (hey, worked for Initial D), but... --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 17:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Visit [http://tri4.net/subs/articles/45/game-mahou-shoujo-madoka-magika-portable#comment tri4] for latest status. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 18:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::...well balls, none of that was there last night. But again, I really shouldn't be surprised. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 18:30, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==Dobokeru==<br />
"Dobokeru" can mean daze, but since this is Kyubey, wouldn't it make more sense to use the other definition, "deceive"? He does have a history of pretending to not know the truth now and then. It just seems a little more in character for him. [[User:Honeykiss|Honeykiss]] 16:33, 27 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Again, I don't know many words in English. It is possible that I can't make clear the difference among those words. So please have them fixed if you find more proper words. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==Names==<br />
One quick question, does anyone know if the game will reveal the name of Mami's parents or of Kyoko's? It is probably a long shot in the dark but if we are dealing with some of the girls routes one can never know, but what the hell may as well just ask... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 13:46, 4 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==New Trailer==<br />
[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-02-24/madoka-magica-portable-psp-game-3rd-promo-streamed Right here.] Some stuff we knew, some stuff we didn't know but expect, and one surprise. --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 02:59, 25 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Live broadcast ==<br />
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There will be a program in NBGI's network broadcast channel:<br />
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on Mar 14, 2012, at 21:00(Tokyo time). Both Kaori Mizuhashi and Ai Nonaka will be there, talking about various stuff about the game. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 02:33, 10 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==Screen Shots ==<br />
[http://imgur.com/a/5Luxh/noscript Some 70+ PSP game screenshots!] --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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==Game Difficulty==<br />
[[File:Is this a game or is this hell.jpg|right|300px|thumb|There is no evidence to suggest that Gen Urobuchi messed with the difficult settings, then again...]]<br />
Some sources say that the game is difficult to beat, is there some reliable way to determine this, also what kind of difficult settings are there? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 14:12, 14 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I'm betting the source of OP information is the Not-Ayase blog. The blog contains too much misinformation to be a reliable source. I've watched a player playthrough of the first loop in UST (to about beginning of episode 6 of anime) and from few play impression in 2ch, the game doesn't seems ''that'' hard but you have to be very careful, for example:<br />
:*Any actions can raise Emotion Points.<br />
:*SG can become muddy easier if the point is high.<br />
:*You can't use GS to cleanse a completely mudded SG.<br />
:*You can't use any skill that uses MP if SG is completely mudded.<br />
:*Recovery items are rare.<br />
:*It's impossible to know when to press Q-button.<br />
:*If you're surrounded by 4 familiars, turns will be "You -> Familiar -> Familiar -> Familiar -> Familiar".<br />
:I never heard anything about half-witch mode, though. The producer said game is designed so you can get into Witch route easily but the game will become easier as you play it more since Karma Points directly reflects default statuses at the start of game. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I watch the video and think it is turn-based. You take one turn no matter move or attack, and all enemies also take one turn each. If many enemies are around you, you will get multiple hits. So you have to think some smart way to move to prevent such situation. That makes me remember about the original Ultima. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I noticed that there is no [[:file:Homutree.png|Homura magic tree]] posted in the page as of yet --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Look at the file links. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 09:55, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::I would have thought Homura would have her own subsection... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:14, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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There is some mention that the saves should be more easier, specially if they have to go through long dialogues just to catch up from where they died... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Live gameplay ==<br />
Go see it...it's running right now: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mdoka-debu --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:51, 14 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Some recordings: <br />
*Part 1 (Beginning ~ Charlotte)http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21096661<br />
*Part 2 (Charlotte ~ Elly)http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21098918<br />
*Part 3 http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/21102551<br />
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== Just a heads up ==<br />
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To anyone playing from the Memory Stick, the game freezes after talking to Homura on the bridge and going to the city map. Gotta wait for a patch. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 12:03, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Please refer to [http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/62778912/#62781688 this thread] for workarounds. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 13:02, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::I did see that before, just... ugh, that'd be annoying, and knowing myself, veeeeery prone for forgetfulness. Then again, how could I expect not to suffer with this game? --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Make sure to convert to CSO first. That will save you from the tutorial freezes. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 17:26, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Yeah, I did that, it's running smooth. Still freezes on video sequences though, gotta skip them - hopefully, they're nothing but clips from the anime. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 15:05, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Another method would be to set the PSP to sleep Mode before a specific part of the game freezes. I have yet to attempt this for the part where Mami first reveals to Sayaka and Madoka what a Grief Seed does. [[Special:Contributions/188.221.222.125|188.221.222.125]] 09:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== About spoiler in PSP game ==<br />
I heard many players got a lot of bad endings. It might not be proper to write them in the game page since there are too much information there. Is there any plan for these? --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:50, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:My suggestion, make a new page with a spoiler heading. This will be a subpage for PSP Game Endings. Then provide a short description of what it is and a link to it from the main PSP game page. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 17:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Since PSP game is separated into chapters, better create new page with title something like [[Madoka Magica Portable Chapter 1: As If We Met in a Dream...]] (suggestion) and put information related to PSP game there. See [[Talk:Main Page]] for more info about reorganizing. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::I'm not sure, routes might make more sense. That's how the Japanese wiki is separating them. So far I only really know about the Madoka Kaname route which is basically a tutorial one. Very straight-forward, closely follows anime, not many choices but apparently always ends with Madoka contracting to save Sayaka and Homura resets. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 19:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::I think it still make sense to have a separate page for each route (chapters) though, we can always put information such as possible routes within chapter, Q-button timing, and such in it in an organized manner. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:21, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes, separate pages is good, I'm suggesting routes rather than chapters, as that's how the game does it. Plus, you have to finish the Madoka Kaname route first, then I think some other routes (not sure on the exact parameters) before you can do the Homura route. Only then can you unlock the bonus route. The Japanese wiki also separates by days and morning/noon/evening for time period (it is 30 days to Walpurgis in all routes) since that's what you see at the top of the map screen. It's easier to track than chapters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 19:32, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Hmm, I still want to use the official "title" for each routes (that's why I'm calling it chapter). For example, "As If We Met Met in a Dream..." for Madoka route, "Only If You Are By My Side" for Mami's route, etc. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:39, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::I see. I thought you were using them to refer to episodes rather than character routes...since the Madoka route goes to roughly ep. 8 and I think the rest of the routes go to ep. 12. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 19:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Yeah, seems like Madoka's route is the only one with a fixed ending. I've asked my friend to list <strike>first three</strike> all chapters in the game:<br />
:::::::*{{Nihongo|夢の中で逢った、ような…|As If We Met in a Dream...}} —Madoka route<br />
:::::::*{{Nihongo|あなたが側にいてくれるなら|Only If You Are By My Side}} —Mami route<br />
:::::::*{{Nihongo|運命はきっと変えられる|The Destiny Could Be Changed}} —Homura route<br />
:::::::*{{Nihongo|私が願った、奇跡|The Wish I Prayed For}} —Sayaka route<br />
:::::::*{{Nihongo|残された最後の希望だったんだ|It Was The Last Path Left}} —Kyouko route<br />
:::::::*{{Nihongo|想いは現実を越える|A Wish Can Surpass Reality}} —Bonus route<br />
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:::::::: Maybe something has to be unlocked before you can get a different ending to the Madoka route? --[[Special:Contributions/83.108.126.230|83.108.126.230]] 20:55, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::: I'm not sure about that as I've never seen any report of someone able to break the fixed ending of Madoka's route. It may be possible but nobody, so far, has found a way to. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 22:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::In my opinion, it's better to use something like 'Someone's Route' as title because it is easier to understand and search. Also the title can be shorten. I suggest the "official title" to be subtitle in those pages. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 02:33, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::The reason I want to put full title in the page name because of consistency (so game, manga, anime, etc. uses the same format). --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I'm confused by this because that's not how the pages are named. Anime episode pages are just "Episode 1" not "Episode 1: As if We Met in A Dream", they don't have the full name. Ditto for manga subpages, they also have short names. It still seems confusing to me to name pages for the game after episodic titles, when the game is divided into routes. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 15:52, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I'm referring to the reorganization plan in the [[Talk:Main Page]]. The game is divide into multiple routes with title for each routes (see above), you have to select the route you want to play right when the game starts. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 17:22, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
Since there isn't a translation yet, would you want something like summaries of story scenes? [[User:Ykm|Ykm]] 15:38, 21 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I have finished Mami's route today, and is beginning Sayaka's route. If there is a place, I'd like to write something about it. But writing all is really complex. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:26, 21 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::I'm also working my way through the game, on Mami's route right now. I'm not crazy enough to try translating the whole thing word-for-word, but if someone creates pages for it, I'd be glad to help write descriptions of the scenes. [[User:Ykm|Ykm]] 17:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Homura's Majo ==<br />
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This is mentioned in 2ch, but [[:File:Homulilly.jpg|"HOMULILLY"]] (click to see) seems to be Homura's Majo. Her Majo is represented with a disc on the top with infinite sign. Her witch type is {{Nihongo|此岸の魔女|Shigan no Majō}} which basically means "Witch of Mortal World" (i.e. the opposite of [[wikipedia:Higan|Higan]]). Witch runes below reads "Game Over". I'm not sure how reliable this is, can anyone who've played (or have access to special BD/DVD with unlock codes) confirm? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I saw this on 2ch and it seemed like people weren't taking it seriously...which makes me think along with the name which is clearly a joke, that it's probably a fan shop. Unfortunately, I'm pretty busy so I won't personally be getting to the Homu route for a couple days at least, to verify. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 20:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Possibly because they're trying to avoid spoilers. I've found someone mentions HOMULILLY do exists in the DVD/BD special (unlock required), but you can't fight with her (the game is Game Over instantly) so there's no witch card for her. Will probably have to wait few days for confirmation. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 20:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::They could have at lead given us her nature and description --[[SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 20:15, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::That's the problem—nature and description are in witch card (like the one for [[:File:ITZLI_info.jpg|Itzli]]) which appears after you defeat the witch but you can't defeat Homulilly in the game. (Also I found it pretty funny her witch name is literally {{Nihongo|"Homu Yuri"|ほむ百合}}, which make it even more confusing whether this is real or fake.) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 20:20, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Anyhow, if not real that must be the best fan made witch ever. IDK, Gekidan Inucurry might have put a weird name on purpose, after the Kyubey witch anything is possible. --[[User:Derp101|Derp101]] 20:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::Homulilly might not be her name but actually "Homu Yuri" and she gets to be together with Kriemhild Gretchen. That is one sick ending bro! --[[User:Derp101|Derp101]] 21:33, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Doujins where?! --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:OK, I was able to verify where it's from. It's from an unlocked (therefore not hidden) gallery of Inu-Curry. If you look [[:File:PSP Inu Curry Art Gallery.jpg|here]], the first two images show the menu screens. The remainder are examples of what's in the gallery. There's images that are work-in-progress designs and some that look surreal enough they may just be art designs, that are not actually in the game. The Production Note had that where some of Inu Curry real designs were right next to pages of designs that never made it into the anime. Unfortunately, it's impossible to know without seeing whether it's in the game then. Thinking about it more though, it's probably going to be in the game but well, I'm still not sure if it isn't more of a joke than anything else. But it's an official joke! --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:09, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Homu Yuri... I gotta give it to Inu-Curry, at this point they may as well just stop pretending this is subtext... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: I see a string of Witch's Kisses on the second screenshot: Gisela - Albertine - Ophelia? - ????? - ????? - Candeloro? - Brain Witch? - Needle Witch?. I hope we see everything in the Gallery soon. Hopefull we'll see Witch cards. --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 21:52, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::: The middle two kisses look like Gretchen's and Homulilly's, I think. --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 01:48, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::: How are we going to deal with the witch information in the witch page? This is going to be a problem... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::: You mean the lack of witch card or the organization of the page? For organization I think we can have separate subsections for each titles (in the witch's page) if anything differs (similar to [http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/Reki#History character page] in .hack//Wiki). For lack of witch card, maybe a bit of background e.g. where did this come from will do for the time being. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC) <br />
:My body wasn't ready! 0_o --[[User:Derp101|Derp101]] 18:25, 16 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I hope one day we can ask someone or the creators if Inu Curry [[:file:Yurifan reaction to homulilly homuyuri spoiler.jpg|was being blunt or if it was an industry joke]] about it, fans would like to know... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
*Homulilly according with 4chan comments:<br />
<br />
Homura’s witch, Homulilly: <br />
<br />
>It’s a record player with the infinity symbol under it, inside an hourglass. <br />
<br />
>It says “Unable to move foward, the witch continuously spins and spins like a broken record, repeating the same sound over and over again for all eternity.”<br />
<br />
>Bad end - Homura becomes witch, the universe ends, game over. Can’t load your save, you have to start the route all over again.<br />
<br />
::I hope we can verity this quickly so we can start working on the page... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::On which thread were this comments found. Does it say anything about a nature? --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 10:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::It [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Screenshotofblog.jpg came from] this [http://not-ayase.tumblr.com blog]. Nothing about its nature as of yet. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:58, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
<i>"That sound is HOMUHOMUHOMUHOMUHOMU...."</i> from 4chan.<br />
::I am a bad person, I found that to be funny... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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|}<br />
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==Portable Spreed Sheet==<br />
*[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Amu6wOa0hazDdDA0LVVtRWFvRDhMOXJ6SjM2OVpBR0E&f=true&amp;noheader=true&gid=0 a google spreed sheet regarding game options/info]<br />
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==Walpurgis Night's Name==<br />
Did they actually reveal it or is it still "?????" --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 02:21, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Still ????? AFAIK. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 13:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Perhaps Walpurgis' Real name will be revealed in the movie, maybe something about the name is some sort of secret or it is too shocking to reveal... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 13:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::IMHO Walpurgis is a gimmick, a reverse Deus Ex Machina of the series. Revealing her real name would be killing the character. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 13:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Comments from 4chan==<br />
'''Note: There are factual inaccuracies among these comments, some completely made up by an unreliable source.'''<br />
<br />
More commentary from Japanese fans:<br />
*<i>I like how Madoka kind of tossed away Sayaka’s and Hitomi’s friendship for Homura.</i><br />
*<i>Kyubey also states that Madoka may want to protect others, but her true emotion and reason was because she’s able to protect and watch over helpless Homura and spend her daily life with her.</i><br />
<br />
Ok, I can buy Madoka tossing Sayaka's friendship over Homura if certain conditions changed the nature of Madoka and Sayaka's friendship... but the second part? I swear, is like they wanted to make a yuri VN... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:56, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
[[File:What is this i dont even.jpg|right|300px|thumb|It came from the internet. I am sure it is reliable.]]<br />
<i>"I am going through the comments from 4chan and picking up what seems believable, I wish there was a way to quickly verify some of these:"</i> --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
*The option of saving Mami from Charlotte is the one where you retreat and secretly follow her. In other words, Mami won't let you come along no matter what.<br />
**Once Mami is saved, Mami tells Homura she’s sorry she doubted her all this time, and tells her inner feelings towards Madoka and Sayaka about being lonely. Mami and Homura form a friendship. Along the days you can watch scenes where Mami invites Homura over and gives her cake and talks about her family’s death.<br />
<br />
*H.N. Elly - Homura finds Madoka and saves her from the witch, instead of Sayaka, since she hasn’t contracted. • Next, is now Sayaka. Homura wants to prevent Sayaka from contracting, watching Sayaka in the shadows and grieving over Kyousuke on how he cant play the violin. Homura greets Sayaka at the hospital who’s taking to Kamijou.<br />
**Believe in Sayaka, and explain everything that’s going on about Sayaka to Madoka. — Sayaka doesn’t contract. She gets mad at kyuubey and rejects his contract. Next day, Hitomi says her father’s close friend is an American surgeon who figured out a way to heal Kamijou’s hands. Sayaka confesses to Kyousuke before Kyousuke goes to America for his surgery. Kyousuke accepts her feelings, and thanks her. Sayaka doesn’t become a Puella Magi, never meets Kyouko, and lives on a happy life.<br />
<br />
*Homura now meets Kyouko. She invites Kyouko over to her house and forms a partnership to fight against Walpurgisnacht. Kyouko meets Mami, her old friend, but the two hate each over due to past disputes.<br />
**Homura calms the two and persuades them to make up and become friends again. The two talk about right strategies against Walpurgis.<br />
<br />
*Over the course of days, since Sayaka grows insanely distant from Madoka, since she spends almost all of her time with Kamijou, Madoka begins to feel extremely lonely.<br />
**She invites Homura over, or goes out with Homura with all the chances she gets. Homura tries to decline because she beleives that if she becomes too close to Madoka, Madoka would want to protect her and contract with Kyuubey. But her emotions get in the way, and she can’t bear to see Madoka sad, and ultimately cannot reject.<br />
***Later that night, Kyuubey, who had almost no role, sneaks into Madoka’s house, and explains everything about the Puella Magi cycle. Madoka, shocked, leaves her house in the middle of the night and goes to see Homura. Madoka and Homura have a talk, and repeat episode 11 where Homura hugs Madoka, etc.<br />
<br />
[[File:Everyone hates kyousuke.jpg|right|thumb|Everyone hates Kyousuke... boy, if the story is true...]]<br />
<br />
>Ending 1a - If Homura fights alone, or with Kyouko, or with Kyouko and Mami and not the full party, the game will take it as if she fought in the anime timeline-ish kind of. Madoka will contract with Kyuubey, become Ultimate Madoka, and rewrite the world with her powers and delete Witches from Existence.<br />
<br />
>Though UNCONFIRMED, but on most of the 2ch players say that you can fight demons, in the wasteland. You fight them endlessly until you die. Ultimate Madoka comes and Saves Homura and revives her. Using the power of all the despair she consumed until now throughout the timelines. Madoka is able to hold only a tiny fragment of existence, and materializes by using the negative energy and Homura’s memories of her, and stays by Homura’s side forever, like a ghost-ish thing. She is only visible to Homura.<br />
<br />
>Ending 1b - Everyone participates in Walpurgis, except Madoka. Just the beginning event scene is different than 1a, still the outcome is the same<br />
<br />
>Ending 2 - Homura defeats Walpurgis all by herself. Horray, Madoka is saved, Good job. Now go make super homu love to her.<br />
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>Secret - {{spoiler|If everyone else dies first and Homura last, on the top floor. Homura turns into a witch, the universe ends, since all possibility and hope becomes absolutely and completely lost.}}<br />
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:I never heard of anyone getting this "secret" route. I'm assuming it's another Not-Ayase made-up story. All reports from 2ch I've seen so far only mentions you will always end up getting anime's ending (whether Homura fights alone, Mami & Kyouko alive or not, etc.) About the demons, you will only have to fight with it until the ending music (Connect) ends. There's nothing about her dying, etc. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:02, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::This reminds me, do we have any info or screen shots regarding the demons? We still know almost nothing about them... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:08, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Hmm, I'll try finding screenshots. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:12, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::: Seriously, there is only those 3 endings? How could it be possible for Homura to defeat Walpurgis alone and yet she failed when with the others? (*smack my face* stupid question, the game developer and Gen are screwing us). I am kind of dumbfound that the endings is as if trying to "ask" us to wait for the continuation of Puella Magi's 3rd movie where it will pick up from what's left of the anime. (*sorry for ranting*) Refering to the demons, perhaps it is still not possible to get that kind of ending, maybe it is a DLC or requires unlocking of special password. You never know what they had for everyone especially when the 3rd movie is not out and putting into the game might spoil the whole ending for the game. Well, just a speculah and not to be taken seriously. [[User:Demonicslayer|Demonicslayer]] 13:59, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::: OK, here is demons: [[:File:MadoPSP Demons.jpg]]. While you can fight with them, they won't fight you back, you're force to use only Magic Arrow skill, you can't die here, it ends right after Connect ends. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:44, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
: Someone is telling me the secret route is confirmed [[http://www4.atwiki.jp/madomagi_portable on this wiki]]. Can someone verify this? --[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Probably this part in Homura's route page:<br />
::<blockquote>「ワルプルギスの夜」本体と対峙する(HPゲージが表示される)最下層で「敗北」すると、ほむらが魔女化する。 ただし、ゲームオーバーの前にイラストが1枚表示されるだけで、魔女図鑑への登録およびイラストを後で見ることはできない。 特典ディスクのギャラリーに全く同じイラストが収録されているので、鑑賞はこちらで(「○○の魔女」の名前もこちらで明かされている)。</blockquote><br />
::It says if you lost to Walpurgis after the HP gauge is shown, the illustration of Homulilly will be shown before the Game Over message. However this illustration won't appear in Majo Zukan or CG Gallery but you can see it later in special DVD. Rough translations:<br />
::<blockquote>When confronting with Walpurgis main body (HP gauge is shown), if you are "Defeated" in the lowest level, Homura will become a witch. However only one illustration will be shown right before Game Over; it won't gets registered to Majo Zukan and you can't watch it later. Gallery in the special DVD has exactly the same illustration, watch it here if you want (her "witch of x" name is revealed in [the illustration in the game].)</blockquote><br />
::--[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== Bonus route ===<br />
<br />
<i>"Of course, there is also this:"</i> --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
>Bonus route is basically full of jokes, drama, and wtfness<br />
<br />
>just, key things are.<br />
<br />
>Homu slaps Madoka for groping her<br />
<br />
>Sayaka and hitomi fight over kyousuke physically and verbally<br />
<br />
>Idol mumisan<br />
<br />
>super sweet homura-chun<br />
<br />
>Ending. Everyone beats walpurgis<br />
<br />
>OUR FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN<br />
<br />
>homura facepalms and reverses time.<br />
<br />
<i>"Seriously, the part where Homura slaps Madoka because Madoka was groping her sounds highly unlikely and out of character, unless there is evidence of it I am highly skeptical. <s>I will buy the idea of Homura gropping Madoka, but</s> seriously...</i> --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:In all seriousness, Homura slaps Madoka because Madoka calling herself ''clumsy and has no trait or whatsoever beside being a magical girl''. Homura slaps Madoka and try to comfort her for saying that by saying "even though you're clumsy and stupid, being a cute magical girl is enough", etc. etc. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 11:53, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::This sounds more believable --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 11:55, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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=== Verification Filther ===<br />
Fans are not going to wait for verification and there is bound to be misinformation. I wish there was a way to gather verifiable information from reliable sources to counter the misinformation before it starts spreading, the last thing we want is for this game to be presented to be silly, or bad! If anything it is doing a disservice to the creators of the series --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 12:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:It's hard to do confirmation especially for the game because so far nobody has discovered all the possible endings and there's only a few of us who can read Japanese (although the game is full voice). 2ch/Futaba can give a rough overview of what's possible and what's not possible but that's so far those boards can provide. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 13:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Majo Zukan==<br />
I wanted to post a list based on the current screen shots we have of the Witch Encyclopedia. How often do we get more screenshots?<br />
<br />
:1. ?????<br />
:2. ?????<br />
:3. ?????<br />
:4. Gertrud<br />
:5. ?????<br />
:6. ?????<br />
:7. ?????<br />
:8. ?????<br />
:9. ?????<br />
<br />
:10. ?????<br />
:11. ?????<br />
:12. ?????<br />
:13. ?????<br />
:14. ?????<br />
:15. Albertine<br />
:16. ?????<br />
:17. Gisela<br />
:18. ?????<br />
:19. ?????<br />
<br />
:20. ?????<br />
:21. ?????<br />
:22. ?????<br />
:23. ?????<br />
:24. ?????<br />
:25. ?????<br />
:26. ?????<br />
:27. ?????<br />
:28. ?????<br />
:29. ?????<br />
<br />
:30. Patricia<br />
:31. ?????<br />
:32. ?????<br />
:33. ?????<br />
:34. ?????<br />
:35. ?????<br />
:36. ?????<br />
:37. ?????<br />
:38. ?????<br />
:39. Candeloro<br />
<br />
:40. ?????<br />
:41. ?????<br />
:42. Ophelia<br />
:43. Quitterie’s Minion<br />
:44. Quitterie<br />
:45. Itzli<br />
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Will update as more is revealed--[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 19:33, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I found screenshots of all the witches' encyclopedia entries on 2ch ([http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081166.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081167.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081168.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081169.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081170.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081171.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081172.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081173.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081174.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081175.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081176.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081177.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081178.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081179.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081180.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081175.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081176.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081177.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081178.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081179.jpg][http://fsm.vip2ch.com/-/hirame/hira081180.jpg]), and the tail end of [http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm17275080 this video] shows the entries you unlock during the 'good' branch of Sayaka's route. With this information, the list is:<br />
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:1 Anthony<br />
:2 Adelbert (tiny)<br />
:3 Adelbert (large)<br />
:4 Gertrud<br />
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:5 Pyotr (w/ hat)<br />
:6 Pyotr<br />
:7 Pyotr (nurse)<br />
:8 Charlotte<br />
<br />
:9 Daniyyel+Jennifer<br />
:10 Daniyyel+Jennifer (TV head)<br />
:11 H.N. Elly (Kirsten)<br />
<br />
:12 Anja (plane)<br />
:13 Anja (car)<br />
:14 Anja (boat)<br />
:15 Albertine<br />
<br />
:16 Dora<br />
:17 Gisela<br />
<br />
:18 Sebastian's (serpent-type)<br />
:19 Sebastian's (claw-type)<br />
:20 Elsa Maria<br />
<br />
:21 ? (Presumably Holger)<br />
:22 ? (Presumably Klarissa)<br />
:23 ?<br />
:24 Oktavia von Seckendorff<br />
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:25 Michaela (zombie)<br />
:26 Michaela (ghost)<br />
:27 Isabel<br />
<br />
:28 Mathieu<br />
:29 ? (Presumably teacher-like familiars)<br />
:30 Patricia<br />
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:31 Shadow Puella Magi (stage left)<br />
:32 Shadow Puella Magi (center stage)<br />
:33 Shadow Puella Magi (stage right)<br />
:34 Red-and-black checkered familiar<br />
:35 Pink poodle-like familiar<br />
:36 Walpurgisnacht<br />
<br />
:37 ? (Presumably Madoka familiars)<br />
:38 ? (Presumably Kyouko familiars)<br />
:39 Candeloro<br />
<br />
:40 ? (Presumably geisha familiars)<br />
:41 ? (Presumably goldfish familiars)<br />
:42 Ophelia<br />
<br />
:43 Kyubey doll familiars<br />
:44 Quitterie<br />
<br />
:45 Itzli<br />
<br />
It seems that Suleika, Uhrmann and Roberta aren't in the game... --[[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 19:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
: Not even Kriemhild Gretchen? That sucks. We never even got to see the Witch of the Netherlands . . . There're always the galleries --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 20:531, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::That's because if Madoka becomes a witch, it's an instant game end. They wouldn't make it a playable witch.--[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 22:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::: oh right. Do you know when'll be updated on the Gekidan Gallery? --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 20:12, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:From 2ch: [http://i.imgur.com/z9AT3.jpg 37, 38, 39]... and from Twitter: [http://twitpic.com/8ya1so 21], [http://twitpic.com/8ya1tt 22], [http://twitpic.com/8ya1vu 23], [http://twitpic.com/8ya1x7 29], [http://twitpic.com/8ya1yc 40], [http://twitpic.com/8ya22z 41]. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 02:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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===Gekidan Inu Curry Gallery===<br />
Have there been any new pictures as to what's in the Gekidan Gallery? Hopefully there will be a zip with all the images eventually. --[[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 13:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Homuslap event transcript ==<br />
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!style="text-align:left; padding:10px;"|Full transcript of Homu's Madoslap event in the bonus route:<br />
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鹿目まどか:<br />
マミさんも、CDだすし……<br />
さやかちゃんも、恭介君といい感じだし<br />
杏子ちゃんも、さやかちゃんと仲がいい。<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
皆、いろいろ変わっていくんだね……<br />
わたしは、何が変わったんだろう?<br />
<br />
暁美ほむら:<br />
何か、変わりたいの?<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
ほむらちゃん……。<br />
またいつの間に……。<br />
<br />
暁美ほむら:<br />
そこは気にしないで<br />
で、まどかは変わりたいの?<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
変わりたいというか、変わらなきゃいけないような気がしてるだけかも。<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
だった、わたしには、何になりたいって気持ちがないんだよ。<br />
マミさんやさやかちゃんや、杏子ちゃんみたいに。<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
でも、それを見てるだけって<br />
なんだかつらいなぁって。<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
わたし……<br />
『魔法少女になりたい』しか無くって<br />
魔法少女になったから……。<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
魔法少女しかできない女の子って駄目なのかなぁ。<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
今、皆が楽しそうにやってることが羨ましいだけなのかなぁ。<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
わたし、魔法少女以外のこと何もできないから。<br />
ドジで、のろまで……駄目な女の子だし。<br />
<br />
暁美ほむら:<br />
そんなこと無い!<br />
<br />
〈SLAP〉<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
きゃっ。<br />
<br />
暁美ほむら:<br />
まどか、あなたは、ドジでのろまで……<br />
とっても可愛い魔法少女よ<br />
それ以外、なにを求めてるの!!<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
それ……褒めてないよ……。<br />
<br />
暁美ほむら:<br />
私は、私は、あなたに<br />
何度も何度も……だから<br />
あなたは、あなたのままで……。<br />
<br />
暁美ほむら:<br />
何も変わらず、今のままで……<br />
自信を持って!!<br />
<br />
暁美ほむら:<br />
あなたは……あなたはね……<br />
私にとって大事な大切な人なの。<br />
あなたは覚えてないかもしれないけど。<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
あのね、ほむらちゃん。<br />
よくわかんないけど<br />
なんとなく、わかったような気がするよ。<br />
<br />
暁美ほむら:<br />
ありがとう……よくわかってないのに<br />
いきなり叩いちゃってゴメンね。<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
ううん、大丈夫。<br />
ほむらちゃんはわたしに<br />
いろいろ伝えようとしてるんだね。<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
たぶん、わたしが悪いんだろうなってそう思う。<br />
……でもね、1つだけ、いいかな?<br />
<br />
暁美ほむら:<br />
なに?<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
……ドジでのろまはね<br />
ちょっと否定して欲しかったかなって。<br />
<br />
暁美ほむら:〈即答〉<br />
ゴメン……。<br />
<br />
鹿目まどか:<br />
やっぱり、わたし<br />
ほむらちゃんに、そう思われてたんだね。<br />
<br />
暁美ほむら:<br />
え、あ、うーん……。<br />
<br />
〈まどかの感情値が20増加した。〉<br />
<br />
Madoka: Mami-san's going to release a CD... Everything's going great for Sayaka-chan with Kyousuke-kun, too, and Kyouko-chan is getting along with Sayaka-chan.<br />
<br />
Madoka: Everyone is changing in lots of ways... but what's changed for me?<br />
<br />
Homura: Do you want to change something?<br />
<br />
Madoka: Homura-chan... When did you...?<br />
<br />
Homura: Never mind that. So, do you want to change, Madoka?<br />
<br />
Madoka: I think maybe it's less like I want to change than like I feel like I have to change.<br />
<br />
Madoka: See, there's nothing that I really want to be. Not like Mami-san, Sayaka-chan, or Kyouko-chan.<br />
<br />
Madoka: But it's kind of hard just watching that.<br />
<br />
Madoka: Because I... became a magical girl with nothing but "I want to be a magical girl"...<br />
<br />
Madoka: I guess a girl who can't do anything except being a magical girl is no good.<br />
<br />
Madoka: I guess I'm jealous of everyone seeming like they're having so much fun right now.<br />
<br />
Madoka: I can't do anything at all besides being a magical girl. I'm a clumsy, slow... useless girl.<br />
<br />
Homura: That's not true!<br />
<br />
(slap)<br />
<br />
Madoka: Kya!<br />
<br />
Homura: Madoka, you're a clumsy and slow... and absolutely adorable magical girl! What else do you want?!<br />
<br />
Madoka: That... isn't a compliment...<br />
<br />
Homura: I... I... you.... over and over... That's why you have to stay you...<br />
<br />
Homura: Never change, the way you are now... Have confidence in yourself!!<br />
<br />
Homura: You... You're... someone very important and precious to me. Even though you may not remember.<br />
<br />
Madoka: Um, Homura-chan. I don't really understand, but I think I kind of get it anyway.<br />
<br />
Homura: Thank you... I'm sorry for hitting you even though you don't really understand.<br />
<br />
Madoka: No, it's okay. You're just trying to get things across to me.<br />
<br />
Madoka: I think it's probably my fault... But can I say just one thing?<br />
<br />
Homura: What?<br />
<br />
Madoka: ... I did want you to deny that I'm clumsy and slow, a little.<br />
<br />
Homura: (automatically) I'm sorry...<br />
<br />
Madoka: I knew it, you really do think that about me.<br />
<br />
Homura: Uh, um, well...<br />
<br />
(Madoka's emotion value increased 20 points)<br />
|}<br />
<br />
Just for fun. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:07, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Does anybody know Japanese well enough to translate this? [[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 18:30, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::I added a quick translation above. My apologies for any formatting gaffes. [[User:Ykm|Ykm]] 00:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Much appreciated! --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 00:11, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Thank you! This event sounds really interesting! --[[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 03:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Regarding Kyousuke Hate==<br />
[[File:Sayaka so called friends monster psp.jpg|right|thumb|so these are Sayaka's friends...]]<br />
I am hearing that there is some hate regarding the character. We need to verify how extensive it is, but also we need to know what is the general reaction and explain why so we can add it to the page explaining the cause, also there was a mention that the hate is huge in 2chan that it created several threads, we need a screen shot of one example (if possible) and a translation with it so it can be added to the Kyousuke page (perhaps fans will forget their hatred of Hitomi after this...) --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:34, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Hmm, is this related to Kyousuke calling Sayaka "monster" in Sayaka's routes? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 23:37, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::I heard that was one reason, something about how he called her a monster and all that, and the fans reacted negatively about it... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:41, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
How did you get Kyousuke to call Sayaka a monster? When I saved them, they did not remember anything as they fainted and Sayaka and Kyouko escaped. They do remember hearing Sayaka's voice saying that she was a hero of justice though but they dismissed it thinking they were just dreaming. Are there any specific conditions that should be met in order for Kyousuke to call her a monster? O.o<br />
:I got the same result as you, but we've seen a [[http://images.puella-magi.net/9/93/Dengeki_PlayStation_2012-02_01.JPG screenshot]] in a magazine that shows he calls her that under some circumstance where he sees her as a magical girl with Kyouko. I am unable to find that scene though. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 09:06, 24 March 2012 (UTC) <br />
::You get the better result when Sayaka's soul gem is not that tainted. Then she will escape from her fate to become Oktavia. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 10:54, 24 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Sayaka doesn't want to save Kyousuke and Hitomi at first, but Kyoko says she should do that. After she saved them, however, they call her monster rather than thank her. This is what happens in Sayaka's route if she become a witch. I personally link it to the third timeline. <br />
--[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 23:58, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes, but I am trying to get the fan reaction regarding that scene. Do fans now dislike Kyousuke even more after that? I am trying to gauge the fan reaction to it... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 05:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::There's also this Sayaka's body rotten (another Gem-throwing, thank you Madoka), Kyouko found her Gem then Kyousuke got to see Sayaka alive in her rotten body and call her "Monster". I guess the writer is reincarnation of satan or something. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 00:06, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::<big>UROBUCHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</big>--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 05:20, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::: I guess in the end, Urobuchi still has a lot of hate to throw into Sayaka. Pity Sayaka that she has to go through that many difficulties in life in such a short moment in every timeline. Even if Sayaka gets a happy end with Kyouske, she still has no happy ending in the end. Surprisingly, Madoka (again?) done that gem-throwing thing in another timeline... Though I do not really hate Kyousuke, but it definitely hurt to be called a 'monster' when being a 'zombie' is bad enough. But it is quite natural in some way that Human always despise others with great power, just like X-Men. From the looks, Sayaka would be better off with Madoka in the ethereal world or we might see "G-Uro"-"butcher" trying to make her suffer in the 3rd movie again... sigh... [[User:Demonicslayer|Demonicslayer]] 08:15, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Speaking of a "happy" end with Kyousuke... there is one in this game, isn't there? (Or is such an end only possible if Sayaka does not contract as a magical girl?) i.e., if she becomes a magical girl, Kyosuke's a lost cause for her no matter what?) This scene makes me think there's such a "good" end... http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Picture_12.png [[User:Animerican-Redeemed|Animerican-Redeemed]] 21:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::There is one in a bonus route. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 22:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::I am surprised Urobuchi gave her one... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 01:54, 21 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::I am not that surprised since it's Urobuchi's suggestion to make bonus route unrelated to the story in anime. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:17, 21 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
In Sayaka's route, please do not blame Madoka for throwing Sayaka's soul gem. It is Sayaka herself throw out the soul gem. Mami Stopped the fighting between her and Kyoko, then all 3 of them are sucked into Charlotte's barrier. Mami called Sayaka and Kyoko to escape, but Sayaka, who did't want to leave Mami alone, insisted staying there, and then Mami got the same fate as in anime... Knowing she is too weak to protect others, Sayaka threw her soul gem to dismiss her magical girl duty after quiting the barrier with Kyoko. The gem got into the barrier and moved away so she lost it. Madoka and Homura then came and saw a soulless Sayaka. Kyubey told them to get her soul gem back in 2 days or Sayaka may die forever. Again, Kyoko use her magic to keep Sayaka's body. Madoka and Homura went out to find her gem. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
: My mistake. Thanks for clarifying the whole incident happening in that route. Well, I thought what 0x99 said about 'thank you Madoka' meant that Madoka was the one who thrown it. Perhaps I misinterpreted the whole thing said there. Honto Gomenasai, Madoka (and all the Madoka fans). Another thing that caught my attention, is from my guess, in fact that this scene happened only in Homura's route, perhaps meant that Sayaka was never really given a chance for 'happy ending'. Since the Homura's route was meant to give a happy ending, yet twisting the story into a Homura Magica (since Madoka never become a magical girl), I am wondering if the story was meant to appease Homura's fans. Lastly, I am wondering if the words 'my wish, my prayer' was actually the wish that Homura hoped for since it is from Homura's perspective... [[User:Demonicslayer|Demonicslayer]] 18:56, 24 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Homura's route happy ending ==<br />
<br />
I heard that if you defeat Walpurgis with Homura, Mami, Kyouko and Sayaka alive ''without'' anybody becoming a witch '''and''' without Madoka contracting, you will get the [[:File:PSP_Game_Scan_Nov_2011_Possibly_Megami.jpg|tea party]] ending instead of anime's ending one. There have been many reports in 2ch that this is true. Can anyone confirm it? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 23:56, 18 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:I also heard someone written about this. This should be reliable. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 00:05, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, confirmed. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Original Sound Track ==<br />
[[File:Madoka Portable BD Soundtrack.png|right|300px|thumb|Soundtrack in BD.]]<br />
<br />
There is an OST in the BD bundled with limited contract of this game. I don't know if the DVD coming with normal contract also contains this.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
| Track<br />
| Song Name<br />
| Comment<br />
|-<br />
| 1<br />
| Spes - Materia Madocae -<br />
| BGM of Game Shop<br />
|-<br />
| 2<br />
| Justitia - Materia Sayakae -<br />
| Choose a place to go<br />
|-<br />
| 3<br />
| Fides - Materia Mami -<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 4<br />
| Prex - Materia Kyokoensis -<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 5<br />
| Tutela - Materia Homurae -<br />
| Encyclopedia<br />
|-<br />
| 6<br />
| Feliciter<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 7<br />
| Incipit in prece<br />
| Game title screen<br />
|-<br />
| 8<br />
| Vox maternae<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 9<br />
| Victoria<br />
| Game Result<br />
|-<br />
| 10<br />
| Ubi eam?<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 11<br />
| Quod id est?<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 12<br />
| Obstans<br />
| A sad scene<br />
|-<br />
| 13<br />
| Semen doloris<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 14<br />
| Inquietam<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 15<br />
| Solitudo mea<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 16<br />
| Non sola sum<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 17<br />
| Para, ite!<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 18<br />
| Non fieri possum<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 19<br />
| Numquam mitescam<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 20<br />
| Cum quoqumque modo<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 21<br />
| Forma tumultuosi somnii<br />
| Emergent situation<br />
|-<br />
| 22<br />
| Adhaesus deformis<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 23<br />
| Clientes saluant<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 24<br />
| Natalis puellae magicae<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 25<br />
| Exitus desperationis<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 26<br />
| Via ad scholam<br />
| Scene as usual<br />
|-<br />
| 27<br />
| Valetudinarium<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 28<br />
| Domus meus<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 29<br />
| Hora theae<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 30<br />
| Cubicutum coniecturae<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 31<br />
| Veni, ven<br />
| In Gertrud's barrier<br />
|-<br />
| 32<br />
| Diffidentia floret<br />
| In Charlotte's barrier<br />
|-<br />
| 33<br />
| Area infinita<br />
| In witch's barrier<br />
|-<br />
| 34<br />
| Dolus vel pedica<br />
| In witch's barrier<br />
|-<br />
| 35<br />
| Experimenta ultima<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| 36<br />
| Area strigae<br />
| BGM of Mami's heart pounding Tiro Finale<br />
|-<br />
| 37<br />
| Delusio summa<br />
| In witch's barrier<br />
|-<br />
| 38<br />
| Terror infinitus<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 39<br />
| Dolus vel lascivia<br />
| In Gisela's barrier<br />
|-<br />
| 40<br />
| Finit in maledicto<br />
| Scene of W.N.<br />
|-<br />
| 41<br />
| Finis malus<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 42<br />
| Felix vera<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
--[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 16:37, 19 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Is there anything new about this OST? I think it should be mentioned or added on the [[Madoka Magica Soundtrack]] page. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 14:09, 24 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:They are all new music, different from what anime plays. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 14:14, 24 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
I took pictures of the disk cover. What do you want to know about this in advance? --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 04:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
File:PMMM_Portable_BD01.jpg|Cover<br />
File:PMMM_Portable_BD02.jpg|Back cover (Printed in Taiwan)<br />
File:Madoka Portable BD Title Screen.png|Contents menu<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== Is this ending on the PSP game real or fake? ==<br />
<br />
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1465010085?pn=1 <--a link to a Chinese forum which said it is the good end of the game with a picture which five of them sitting together and having a party with a line "This is my prayer, my wish..." above and comments from the poster that "[In the ending,] homura, mami, kyouko, and sayaka cooperate to beaten w. night successfully and then they including madoka held party in mami's home, and even sayaka "force" kyoko to get on school, uniform, wht a 癒し ending" (*sorry for my poor English.)<br />
Is the above material truely the good end of the game?[[User:C933103|C933103]] 16:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Yes. Requires Madoka to not making contract with Mami, Sayaka, Kyouko and Homura defeating Walpurgis together. In Japanese board they are callibg this お茶会エンド (tea party ending). -[[User:0x99|0x99]] 20:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::But as according to that CHinese forum post, it said it is required to 1.in homura line 2.avoid mami dead and 3.let sayaka made contract and 4.prevent she from becoming witches and 5.successfully beaten w. night to get to the ending.......[[User:C933103|C933103]] 05:24, 21 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
===Homu Sad End===<br />
''Homura's end where she fights Walpurgis solo was like a depressing doujin ending. She dies in Madoka's arms, glad she could finally save her. Madoka doesn't contract and it's the end. Course the route is completely terrible with Sayaka going witch and dead, Mami suiciding, Kyouko gone home and presumably depressed over losing Mami and Sayaka. Now that I think about, I'm not sure I've read a Madoka doujin that was that depressing.'' - <br />
<br />
I have never heard this ending before. So Homura defeats Walpurgis on her own, doesnt become a witch, and dies on Madoka's arm without her contracting with Kyubey? Can someone verify this? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:54, 26 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Never heard anything about it. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 08:23, 26 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::I have watched [http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/e8K9mnErTh8/?resourceId=28860455_06_02_99?fr=2 some video] playing this ending. But I'm not sure it is unmodified. I my self haven't gone that far yet. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks for the video. Ah, that explains the mysterious Homura's event CG (see below). Gotta try it, I wonder if there's any special condition beyond having Homura fight Walpurgis alone?<br />
:::[[File:Madoka Portable Homura Goodnight.jpg|200px]]<br />
:::<small>''(Notice she's smiling... oh god this is depressing...)''</small> --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:25, 26 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes, this ending is described on the Japanese wiki. It has many preconditions that lead to that specific ending. It is the only one where Homura fights Walpurgis alone on the Homura route. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 01:34, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Kyoko Route:speculah ==<br />
Well, apparently Kyoko's route is very depressing. Apparently instead of paper cutouts they actually showed the graphic aftermath of Kyoko's father gone mad... I find it odd they went one way in the anime and another way in the game... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:15, 21 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
It seems like in the Kyoko route, she made a grave for Mami... I feel like despair... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:15, 21 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Kyoko mother sister bloody scene psp.jpg<br />
File:Psp kyoko father hang graphic.jpg<br />
File:Psp mami grave teddy bear.jpg<br />
File:Kyoko route teddy bear psp.jpg<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
:Sad but what sort of crap happens for Kyoko to become a witch? I mean, it would take some serious hammer to crack her hardened shell of badassery.<br />
::I am not certain, but apparently it has to do with Oktavia. If Kyouko and Madoka try to save Sayaka/Oktavia but Homura gets there before them, she kills Oktavia. Kyouko in the good end calms down but in the bad end loses it and goes witch. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC) <br />
:::Or, with another possibility, she and Homura fight against Walpurgis Night, but unable to defeat it. Madoka contracts to defeat Walpurgis Night, and then becomes Kriemhild Gretchen, kills Kyoko. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 15:57, 23 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:What is the importance/symbolism of the teddy bear? [[User:Silvermoon424|Silvermoon424]] 04:37, 21 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
===Kyoko's Background===<br />
Do we have a lot of information regarding her background? I heard it was very sad, we need to add any new information to Kyoko's page in the PSP subsection to indicate it is new information. Also, since it is related to the Drama CD, Farewell Story, we need to add a subsection there to indicate the new information taht the drama cd didn't cover... Which reminds me, did the game gave any new info regarding Mami or her family? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 03:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
===Screenshots===<br />
Have there been any new images from the Gekidan Gallery recently? [[User:SPDUDE48|SPDUDE48]] 16:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Routes section ==<br />
<br />
Shouldn't we separate each routes into its own page? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 06:21, 24 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Good idea. --[[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 06:22, 24 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Per discussion in [[Talk:Main Page]] (and above), I think we should go with:<br />
::* [[Madoka Magica Portable Madoka Route]]<br />
::* [[Madoka Magica Portable Mami Route]]<br />
::* [[Madoka Magica Portable Sayaka Route]]<br />
::* [[Madoka Magica Portable Kyouko Route]]<br />
::* [[Madoka Magica Portable Homura Route]]<br />
::* [[Madoka Magica Portable Bonus Route]]<br />
::thoughts? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 06:25, 24 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Gisela==<br />
I thought Gisela was defeated by Kyoko in the flash back. Is this an oversight or does the game explains what happened? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:02, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:The same witches appear in different routes and are defeated by different magical girls. As to why, I have no idea. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 06:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::It would be really odd, unless it slipped from their minds that Gisela had an encounter with Kyoko in the past (which happened during the events of the Drama CD, prior to Homura's hospital stay). Unless we are to assume somehow Kyoko failed to kill Gisela or Gisela escaped from Kyoko's attack... (I just re-watched ep 7 BD, while she does fight Gisela in a badass way and seems like she is winning, it is ambiguous enough to say with certainty if Kyoko killed her or not...) --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::Not really, there's several easy explanations I can think of off-hand. One, in different timelines, events play out differently so girls become witches at different times and get killed by different magical girls. We see that with Oktavia in the anime. Even past events before Homura timestop varies, like with Kyousuke being a violinist in one and a guitarist in another. The other explanation is with the game, they chose to re-use existing witches rather than make more witches, or they didn't care about continuity between game routes. Please note this is speculation on my part and don't think we can know the answer. The reason is not stated in the game, which is why my answer was: '''I don't know.''' --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 09:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::Considering fans would want an explanation, the only three possible options is speculah: Gisela didnt die at the hands of Kyoko, a parallel universe, and It's magic! --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Another possibility is that Gisela was defeated, but her grief seed was overused and she hatched again at a later time. [[User:KM|KM]] 10:48, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
'''BEHOLD, THE BOLD TEXT OF OBVIOUSNESS: familiars become Witches. Kyoko does not destroy familiars because it's a waste until they feed. Therefore, even if Kyoko destroyed "the original" Gisela (if it was even the original) it is entirely plausible ones of its familiars got away, fed, and became a new Gisela.''' [[Special:Contributions/70.81.159.144|70.81.159.144]] 16:53, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Madokami==<br />
<br />
When does she appear?<br />
:In Homura's route when there is an anime ED ending. Madoka makes her wish, same as the anime. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 06:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Dates==<br />
What do we know about the dates of events in the game? [[:File:PSP_Screenshot1.jpg | this pre-release screenshot from August]] says 05/07 but May 7 and July 5 aren't compatible with the anime. [[:File:Madoa_PSP_World_Map.jpg | The map screenshot]] only seems to count the number of days elapsed. Is there any information in the release version to build a timeline out of? [[User:KM|KM]] 12:07, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:There are no dates in the game. Only days, varying anywhere from 29 to 31 days in any given route. The dates do not start the same as the anime. For example, in the Homura route, Day 1 you decide whether to shoot Kyubey or not. If you do, it plays out the scene with Madoka finding an injured Kyubey. No exact dates are given for past events either. Only approximations like a "few years ago" or "a few months ago" etc. They break the day events down further into segments of time such as morning, noon, evening, night etc. That's all. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 12:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Oh well. 29 days happens to be the shortest possible time between that scene in episode 1 and walpurgis night's attack in the anime, so at least that fits in with our model. [[User:KM|KM]] 13:31, 27 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::I should mention that the days don't really match up with the events of the anime. For example, Day 1 in both Madoka and Homura's route, you can have Madoka save an injured Kyubey. But then Mami fights Charlotte on day 7 in the Homura route and day 8 in Madoka's route. It's also impossible to replicate all the events exactly from the anime timeline in any of the routes. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 13:48, 27 March 2012 (UTC)</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Speculah_talk:Puellae_Magi_Don%27t_Age&diff=40860Speculah talk:Puellae Magi Don't Age2012-03-20T16:47:22Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Sayaka as a dead zombie */</p>
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<div>Considering that both Mami and Kyouko were visibly younger when they contracted, Kyouko was wearing modern clothes in the flashback, and neither Kyouko nor Mami knew very much at all about the mechanics of being a Magical Girl, I believe this theory can be safely written off as "Proven Wrong."<br />
:Not quite. The first time we see Kyouko as a magical girl, she already had the look we see today. The images were from her childhood before she contracted. They did now knew anything about the mechanics, well, simply because nor Kyubey nor anyone else told them. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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My personal belief is such:<br />
*Kyubey has outright stated the bodies are just meat puppets, and as long as the Soul Gem is intact, the body can be repaired.<br />
*If you can repair your body from any state whatsoever as long as the Soul Gem is intact, then it goes without saying you can regenerate lost limbs and the like.<br />
*Arguably, you could make a brand new body if you needed, however the magic needed to do that would probably mean you'd need to find a Grief Seed very, very quickly.<br />
Therefore, a Puella Magi is immortal in that they can just regenerate their body as long as they have the magic to do it. The real problem here is that, even if a Puella Magi doesn't age, so far we've seen that they have a life expectancy of "a couple of weeks or months" before a Witch inevitably kicks their ass. So it's possible no Puella Magi will ever live long enough to test that theory.<br />
-supporting that theory: homura healed her eyes with magic<br />
[[file:Official_art_kyouko_family.jpg|Official art from Megumi magazine]]<br />
[[file:Kyouko flashback.jpg|thumb|Same clothes as official art.]]<br />
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This official art for Kyouko's family makes it clear both her and her little sister are attired in modern clothing...notice the jeans, hoodie and sneakers, plus the modern style dress, socks and shoes of her little sister. I really think this speculah should be deleted or vastly edited down as the evidence is squarely against it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 20:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I fail to see why. The speculah isn't about how old Kyouko is, but about whether or not Puella Magi could be said to be immortal due to their zombie-like state. So far we've gotten a lot of evidence that suggests that Puella Magi could in fact fix or alter their bodies, as well as conserve them perfectly. Whether Kyouko is really a century old or not is really an aside and should probably be its own mini-speculah than part of the global immortality one.<br />
::The "evidence" is based almost entirely on Kyouko and every time there's a point of theory made in favor of the speculah, it's overturned by facts against it. First of all, Kyouko doesn't speak in an "archaic" dialect. Ask any Japanese speaker. Second, the only "Victorian" style that you ever see, are cardboard cut-outs which were clearly a SHAFT stylistic choice. The hoodie you see Kyouko wear in the flashback is exactly the same as the official art I posted (see above and to the right), which means the rest of her outfit is equally modern and this was before she became mahou shoujo. So Kyouko is definitively from a modern time. School isn't evidence of anything related to her age. Pretty much nothing I'm seeing about Kyouko supports the speculah. At the very least, the speculah should be revised to reflect the facts. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 20:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I agree, but again, this isn't really what this speculah is supposed to be about. You'd be free to move all the 'Kyouko's age' stuff off this page and onto another speculah page, which you would then be free to mark as proven wrong, or at least, highly implausible (because jeans and hoodies were not invented that recently, it's still vaguely possible for it to be true). But right now you're basically arguing about whether or not we've been to the moon on a page about whether the moon is made of cheese or not.<br />
::One more correction: The fake storyboard was not made by the "series creators" and should be removed. It was made by this person: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=17167336 who if you look up their profile and their art, is clearly not Gen, Shinbo, Ume or anyone else could be considered a "series creator." I don't know who that person is, but at most she's only a staff person and more likely no more than your typical fanartist. Plus, this art was clearly made for comedic value and isn't suppose to represent anything realistic in the anime. -[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The idea of speculah is all well and good, but at least use the discretion of removing things that are obviously proved wrong, and definitely remove factual errors like stating the series creators made some piece of fanart etc. Things like Homura repeated the timelines over again or the ending being far in the future are what I would consider speculah that while there's no proof for it, there's no solid counter-proof either. Those are fine. <br />
Perhaps in general we need some guidelines here on speculah, if anyone wants to chime in. -[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Man, I have nothing to say if you really think that a young girl would be dressed in jeans, a hoodie with pockets like that, and sneakers in anything other than modern times. -[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::"Modern times" is relative. 1980s? Maybe even 70s. Jeans and hoodies would be perfectly fine for those times. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 10:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Sayaka as a dead zombie==<br />
I am having trouble with this... technically Sayaka is a dead zombie, but at the same time she is not, more like her body is dead (decomposing) but her soul is still intact on the Soul Gem, so technically she is alive... also, if Sayaka were to use her magic we could speculate she could regenerate her cells back to life (sadly we dont know if this is possible, but since this is magic we are talkgin about)... but this also puzzles me, if we think the brain as a receptor to the Soul Gems command/thoughts, then this is odd because [http://science.howstuffworks.com/body-farm1.htm brain cells are the first to die] within minutes. So we have to assume that the flesh/body acts more like a puppet of the Soul Gem, sending signals to the muscle tissue, instead of commands to the brain, unless Sayaka's Soul Gem fixed her brain (more or less) or revived her brain cells... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 14:11, 20 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Here's my take on it: you're overthinking it. It's MAGIC. The Soul Gem grants control of the body regardless of what state it's in, and it's also what keeps the body from dying, hence the fact that even if a Puella Magi avoids fighting, her Soul Gem will still darken over time. Presumably it's possible for a Puella Magi to stop her Soul Gem from sustaining her body, in which case with the effects of the magic gone it might start rotting/decaying faster than a normal body would. Either ways, it's magic. It doesn't have to make too much scientific sense. [[Special:Contributions/70.81.159.144|70.81.159.144]] 16:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homura_Akemi&diff=30250Talk:Homura Akemi2011-10-18T06:11:17Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Transformation Runes */</p>
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<div>I strongly suggest that we move all speculations from this page to a speculation page dedicated to Homura (and possibly the other four main characters). This could be a good occasion to clean up all the stuff that was proven wrong.<br />
:I concur. -[[User:Becquerel|Becquerel]] 04:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I agree too, if by "clean up" you mean "tag properly", like the wishes thing. No content should be removed IMO, just for "historical accurracy" --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 07:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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abour her strong power in the new timeline: maybe because she suffered much in all the previous timelines she got a boost-up just like madoka<br />
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I removed stuff that didn't belong on this page (there was speculah about Walpurgis Night's familiars, for example, which is already present on WPN's various pages and doesn't need to be here) as well as the needless arguments on theories that have been debunked. If I knew how to make new pages -and- make said new pages look pretty and formatted, I'd move the whole speculah section to a new page, but my mad skillz at wiki pages go as far as "I can edit text".<br />
:Regarding the theories proven right/wrong, and your editing skills, I made [[Template:Theory/Header|a template]] to classify theories by status (see output [[User:Homerun-chan/Theory_tags|here]]). I do not have the time right now, but I think it'd be a good idea to order the theories by category then --it's in the [[wishlist]] actually --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Homura: One Man Army==<br />
¥ 1,383,040,300 ($17,037,114 USD) worth of military weapons and equipment!! Damn, maybe Homura should start with Nicolas Cage in "Lord of War II: The Walpurgis Night Incident" --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I'm still baffled. I mean, it's hard to believe. RPGs aren't ''that'' expensive. The guy who made the vid must have made some fancy cals.<br>Still... Lord Of War was a great film, and I would buy that squel in the blink of an eye ^^ --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==HOMU==<br />
[http://www.homelessmuseum.org/ HOMU: The Homeless Museum of Art]. Nothing important, I just found this to be a bit funny. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Homura's Stoicism Draft==<br />
I feel like I am juggling with too many ideas. That has always been my problem when trying to make something clear and concise. I am going to need some help to wrinkle out the article once I am done. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Fitting actually that you mention article. You could post your thoughts freely and put it there. Right now, it feels like you want to write about all the characters and not just Homura. It's also gone beyond the facts to the point that if it stayed on the Homura page, I'd have to say it goes under speculah. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I moved the draft here. I feel like the writing is going to become larger as I feel like to understand the Homura character we have to also understand her interaction to others as perhaps her personal experience with them and a need for comparison. I wonder If this should become a separate article all together?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Understanding Homura's Stoicism==<br />
Homura's emotionless and cold exterior has been misinterpreted and misunderstood by fans and observers alike. This has led to the interpretation that Homura is a dangerous Yandere, others believe her to be a psychopath with littler regard for human lives (with the exception of Madoka), but these interpretations are highly incorrect and inaccurate. This is caused by the misleading first impression we build from lacking a fundamental understanding of her background and personality. To understand Homura it is essential to rewatch some of her scenes and discover the subtle differences from first time viewing for comparison. Once we understand Homura's background and mission and her single obsession to save Madoka viewers would observe Homura in a new light.<br />
<br />
Beneath Homura's stoic mask one will uncover the true Homura, a trace of her true self that she tries to shield with an emotional wall to cope with the rising danger of accumulating too much despair. Homura isn't the only character to be misinterpreted and misunderstood for expressing controversial opinions and actions to reach her goal, but their comparison would help to differentiate Homura from the rest of the characters. Homura developed an early survival skill to cope with her new realty to save Madoka.<br />
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<b>Homura's Past:</b> <br />
<br />
To understand the Homura character it is essential to watch [[Episode 10]] and to listen the drama CD ''[[Drama CD 1|"Memories of you"]]''. First, the Drama CD contains information regarding Homura's difficulty to adapt to a new school setting as a transfer student; no one knows her nor they try to understand her and her struggles. In her new environment Homura experiences school bullying (non-physical), demeaning rumors behind her back, and low opinion about her abilities as a person and as a student. Homura is already a fragile girl with low self-esteem caused by her weak heart and her weak physical body, with the addition of emotional stress caused by her unpopularity at school it is enough to emotionally crush her to the point of driving her to suicide and despair, or at least an enticement under a Witch's spell to end her suffering.<br />
<br />
Another source of Homura's emotional transformation are the events taking place in the different timelines in [[Episode 10]]. Homura's experience in different timelines brought her insight into how to formulate different ways to rescue Madoka and stop Walpurgis Night. When a new element of surprised was introduced in the timeline, Homura would formulate a new solution to deviate from the same outcome. The first issue was uncovering the truth about the Puella Magi system, Homura tried to convince the girls that Kyubey was deceiving them. Sayaka reacted with distrust and Mami with skepticism, Madoka as well. The reasons are understandable as Homura is a stranger and a new comer and without any evidence to back her claim they arent ready to accept the truth. However, Mami's and Sayaka's real reasons differentiate with Madoka's and it sheds a light to their character.<br />
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<b>Murder:</b><br />
<br />
Mami's character is the embodiment of a humble Ojou-sama and a kind Onee-sama. While Mami exudes class, grace, and beauty, she never flaunts her privilege or status. She tries to become a mentor for Madoka and Sayaka but at the same time tries to caution them that the life of a Puella Magi is not without sacrifice and difficulties. Mami's speech in [[Episode 3]] gives us a glimpse to the kind of life Mami has led so far, a very lonely and solitary life with no one to call a friend. Mami's seriousness is betrayed by her emotional outburst of joy and monologue when Madoka pledges to become a Puella Magi and join together with Mami in her duty to hunt down Witches and protect the city. For the first time we learn that Mami is truly happy with being a Puella Magi. We must consider that while Mami took her responsibility as a Puella Magi with seriousness and professionalism, we can see through flashes that she was unhappy with that type of life. Perhaps we it can interpret her duty as a Puella Magi a form of [[wiki:Noblesse_oblige|''Noblesse Oblige'']]. <br />
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If [[Episode 3]] uncovers Mami's unhappiness then [[Episode 10]] marks her despair. The nature of her despair requires a deep analysis to understand Mami's lapse of judgement and brief moment of insanity. Given the glimpse we observe regarding Mami's solitary lifestyle and her sacrifice to protect the people and the city, it is understandable as to why Mami lost her composure. One could interpret that all her work and sacrifice was for naught, that the lives she saved would be meaningless once she became a Witch, and that her personal sacrifice and unhappiness contributed to the propagation of a horrifying system. Mami's sense of despair is understandable, however, her following actions contribute to her criticism and are the source of many arguments against her character. Mami's early impression is shattered once she gives in into despair and we glimpse into her weakest moment as a human being. But on the other hand it could be interpreted as the next logical step into a world that has gone mad. Mami knows that her friends have no future, that it is only a matter of time they will become Witches, to spare them of their suffering (and her own) and halt the death of future victims at their hands as Witches she decides that death (and suicide) is the logical and noble choice. No matter the interpretation or justification to fans what Mami did is considered an unforgivable act. What Mami committed was an act of betrayal by killing her ''kouhai'', she commits murder by attempting to take their lives without their consent and consultation.<br />
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Surprisingly the Anime series presents different acts that involves killing and murder under different circumstances. And each act requires to be judged on their own. If Mami's action in [[Episode 10]] can be interpreted as a betrayal (or desperation), then Madoka's action to stop Mami's murdering rampage can be interpreted as an act of self-defense and justifiable homicide, acting in defense of others (or in this case an attempt to save Homura). Many fans have criticized Madoka as a helpless crybaby, but this (horrifying) single act of bravery demonstrates Madoka's measure as a Puella Magi and as a person. Not only is she willing to take personal risks to save others, but she is also willing to make the tough choices when the situation calls for it, even if it means killing a friend to save another. Madoka is not a helpless character, she is only helpless because she is unsure what to do to make things right. True to Madoka's character she understands the danger she is imposing by becoming a Witch, rather than use the Grief Seed to save her own life she saves Homura with no regrets, then she asks Homura to do the unthinkable. Under the agony of pain and sorrow Homura commits a merciful killing by stoping Madoka's transformation into a Witch. This is not the act of a cold blooded killer (which she has been accused to be many times) but that of a friend under duress.<br />
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In no moment during the series Homura has been a senseless cold blooded killer or a murderer (under the narrow definition), it could be said that she has expressed her opinion to take bold action when the moment requires it, that includes taking a life (just like Madoka did). Which lead us to another controversy and criticism.<br />
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<b>Sayaka:</b><br />
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==Transformation Runes==<br />
People who have watched episode 11's blu-ray version must have noticed that Homura's transformation got a major overhaul, including a large quantity of spinning, floating runes.<br />
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Would anyone be able to take high-quality screenshots of these so that they can be translated? I'm willing to do it, if someone uploads screenshots.<br />
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:Here you go. http://imageshack.us/g/812/vlcsnap2011101601h39m36.png/<br />
:From what I've seen, they just appear to be numbers. In the first pic in the uploaded album, from left to right :<br />
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:5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6<br />
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:Each rune that appears is a number.<br />
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::Oh... huh... here I was expecting some sort of hidden message, but I guess it's just obeying the new theme of her transformation? Gauges? Tons of gauges? I would have expected clocks, honestly, or gears (no reference to Walpurgisnacht, though). Though I guess the gauges are sort of clocks...</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homura_Akemi&diff=30139Talk:Homura Akemi2011-10-16T01:38:09Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>I strongly suggest that we move all speculations from this page to a speculation page dedicated to Homura (and possibly the other four main characters). This could be a good occasion to clean up all the stuff that was proven wrong.<br />
:I concur. -[[User:Becquerel|Becquerel]] 04:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I agree too, if by "clean up" you mean "tag properly", like the wishes thing. No content should be removed IMO, just for "historical accurracy" --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 07:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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abour her strong power in the new timeline: maybe because she suffered much in all the previous timelines she got a boost-up just like madoka<br />
<br />
I removed stuff that didn't belong on this page (there was speculah about Walpurgis Night's familiars, for example, which is already present on WPN's various pages and doesn't need to be here) as well as the needless arguments on theories that have been debunked. If I knew how to make new pages -and- make said new pages look pretty and formatted, I'd move the whole speculah section to a new page, but my mad skillz at wiki pages go as far as "I can edit text".<br />
:Regarding the theories proven right/wrong, and your editing skills, I made [[Template:Theory/Header|a template]] to classify theories by status (see output [[User:Homerun-chan/Theory_tags|here]]). I do not have the time right now, but I think it'd be a good idea to order the theories by category then --it's in the [[wishlist]] actually --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Homura: One Man Army==<br />
¥ 1,383,040,300 ($17,037,114 USD) worth of military weapons and equipment!! Damn, maybe Homura should start with Nicolas Cage in "Lord of War II: The Walpurgis Night Incident" --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I'm still baffled. I mean, it's hard to believe. RPGs aren't ''that'' expensive. The guy who made the vid must have made some fancy cals.<br>Still... Lord Of War was a great film, and I would buy that squel in the blink of an eye ^^ --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==HOMU==<br />
[http://www.homelessmuseum.org/ HOMU: The Homeless Museum of Art]. Nothing important, I just found this to be a bit funny. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 02:37, 30 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Homura's Stoicism Draft==<br />
I feel like I am juggling with too many ideas. That has always been my problem when trying to make something clear and concise. I am going to need some help to wrinkle out the article once I am done. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Fitting actually that you mention article. You could post your thoughts freely and put it there. Right now, it feels like you want to write about all the characters and not just Homura. It's also gone beyond the facts to the point that if it stayed on the Homura page, I'd have to say it goes under speculah. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 08:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I moved the draft here. I feel like the writing is going to become larger as I feel like to understand the Homura character we have to also understand her interaction to others as perhaps her personal experience with them and a need for comparison. I wonder If this should become a separate article all together?... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 09:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Understanding Homura's Stoicism==<br />
Homura's emotionless and cold exterior has been misinterpreted and misunderstood by fans and observers alike. This has led to the interpretation that Homura is a dangerous Yandere, others believe her to be a psychopath with littler regard for human lives (with the exception of Madoka), but these interpretations are highly incorrect and inaccurate. This is caused by the misleading first impression we build from lacking a fundamental understanding of her background and personality. To understand Homura it is essential to rewatch some of her scenes and discover the subtle differences from first time viewing for comparison. Once we understand Homura's background and mission and her single obsession to save Madoka viewers would observe Homura in a new light.<br />
<br />
Beneath Homura's stoic mask one will uncover the true Homura, a trace of her true self that she tries to shield with an emotional wall to cope with the rising danger of accumulating too much despair. Homura isn't the only character to be misinterpreted and misunderstood for expressing controversial opinions and actions to reach her goal, but their comparison would help to differentiate Homura from the rest of the characters. Homura developed an early survival skill to cope with her new realty to save Madoka.<br />
<br />
<b>Homura's Past:</b> <br />
<br />
To understand the Homura character it is essential to watch [[Episode 10]] and to listen the drama CD ''[[Drama CD 1|"Memories of you"]]''. First, the Drama CD contains information regarding Homura's difficulty to adapt to a new school setting as a transfer student; no one knows her nor they try to understand her and her struggles. In her new environment Homura experiences school bullying (non-physical), demeaning rumors behind her back, and low opinion about her abilities as a person and as a student. Homura is already a fragile girl with low self-esteem caused by her weak heart and her weak physical body, with the addition of emotional stress caused by her unpopularity at school it is enough to emotionally crush her to the point of driving her to suicide and despair, or at least an enticement under a Witch's spell to end her suffering.<br />
<br />
Another source of Homura's emotional transformation are the events taking place in the different timelines in [[Episode 10]]. Homura's experience in different timelines brought her insight into how to formulate different ways to rescue Madoka and stop Walpurgis Night. When a new element of surprised was introduced in the timeline, Homura would formulate a new solution to deviate from the same outcome. The first issue was uncovering the truth about the Puella Magi system, Homura tried to convince the girls that Kyubey was deceiving them. Sayaka reacted with distrust and Mami with skepticism, Madoka as well. The reasons are understandable as Homura is a stranger and a new comer and without any evidence to back her claim they arent ready to accept the truth. However, Mami's and Sayaka's real reasons differentiate with Madoka's and it sheds a light to their character.<br />
<br />
<b>Murder:</b><br />
<br />
Mami's character is the embodiment of a humble Ojou-sama and a kind Onee-sama. While Mami exudes class, grace, and beauty, she never flaunts her privilege or status. She tries to become a mentor for Madoka and Sayaka but at the same time tries to caution them that the life of a Puella Magi is not without sacrifice and difficulties. Mami's speech in [[Episode 3]] gives us a glimpse to the kind of life Mami has led so far, a very lonely and solitary life with no one to call a friend. Mami's seriousness is betrayed by her emotional outburst of joy and monologue when Madoka pledges to become a Puella Magi and join together with Mami in her duty to hunt down Witches and protect the city. For the first time we learn that Mami is truly happy with being a Puella Magi. We must consider that while Mami took her responsibility as a Puella Magi with seriousness and professionalism, we can see through flashes that she was unhappy with that type of life. Perhaps we it can interpret her duty as a Puella Magi a form of [[wiki:Noblesse_oblige|''Noblesse Oblige'']]. <br />
<br />
If [[Episode 3]] uncovers Mami's unhappiness then [[Episode 10]] marks her despair. The nature of her despair requires a deep analysis to understand Mami's lapse of judgement and brief moment of insanity. Given the glimpse we observe regarding Mami's solitary lifestyle and her sacrifice to protect the people and the city, it is understandable as to why Mami lost her composure. One could interpret that all her work and sacrifice was for naught, that the lives she saved would be meaningless once she became a Witch, and that her personal sacrifice and unhappiness contributed to the propagation of a horrifying system. Mami's sense of despair is understandable, however, her following actions contribute to her criticism and are the source of many arguments against her character. Mami's early impression is shattered once she gives in into despair and we glimpse into her weakest moment as a human being. But on the other hand it could be interpreted as the next logical step into a world that has gone mad. Mami knows that her friends have no future, that it is only a matter of time they will become Witches, to spare them of their suffering (and her own) and halt the death of future victims at their hands as Witches she decides that death (and suicide) is the logical and noble choice. No matter the interpretation or justification to fans what Mami did is considered an unforgivable act. What Mami committed was an act of betrayal by killing her ''kouhai'', she commits murder by attempting to take their lives without their consent and consultation.<br />
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Surprisingly the Anime series presents different acts that involves killing and murder under different circumstances. And each act requires to be judged on their own. If Mami's action in [[Episode 10]] can be interpreted as a betrayal (or desperation), then Madoka's action to stop Mami's murdering rampage can be interpreted as an act of self-defense and justifiable homicide, acting in defense of others (or in this case an attempt to save Homura). Many fans have criticized Madoka as a helpless crybaby, but this (horrifying) single act of bravery demonstrates Madoka's measure as a Puella Magi and as a person. Not only is she willing to take personal risks to save others, but she is also willing to make the tough choices when the situation calls for it, even if it means killing a friend to save another. Madoka is not a helpless character, she is only helpless because she is unsure what to do to make things right. True to Madoka's character she understands the danger she is imposing by becoming a Witch, rather than use the Grief Seed to save her own life she saves Homura with no regrets, then she asks Homura to do the unthinkable. Under the agony of pain and sorrow Homura commits a merciful killing by stoping Madoka's transformation into a Witch. This is not the act of a cold blooded killer (which she has been accused to be many times) but that of a friend under duress.<br />
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In no moment during the series Homura has been a senseless cold blooded killer or a murderer (under the narrow definition), it could be said that she has expressed her opinion to take bold action when the moment requires it, that includes taking a life (just like Madoka did). Which lead us to another controversy and criticism.<br />
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<b>Sayaka:</b><br />
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==Transformation Runes==<br />
People who have watched episode 11's blu-ray version must have noticed that Homura's transformation got a major overhaul, including a large quantity of spinning, floating runes.<br />
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Would anyone be able to take high-quality screenshots of these so that they can be translated? I'm willing to do it, if someone uploads screenshots.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Grief_Syndrome&diff=28742Talk:Grief Syndrome2011-09-28T18:13:31Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Grief Syndrome Online */</p>
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<div>This game just taught me something: I'd be a terrible magical girl. That's good to know, at least now I know I shouldn't contract Kyubey if I ever get the chance to... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:20, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Oh god, the endings for this game make me feel terribly empty inside. It's like how I felt after episode 6 and onwards. Mami, the only one surviving, eating cake alone. Kyouko by herself, chewing an apple. Dammit. At least I felt happy when I killed Charlotte with Mami. Sayaka in the show did much better than me on the hikki TV level. [[User:Holycrap|Holycrap]] 09:14, 16 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Anyone know what the requirement is for getting the 2nd last picture in the gallery? [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.48|220.255.1.48]] 02:49, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:If only Madoka and Sayaka die. [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 11:30, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Problem here==<br />
I've downloaded the files and everything. However, it is on a .rar file, and I really don't know how it operates. Suggestions?<br />
:It's a compressed file, works just like a .zip. Open it with WinRAR or a similar program. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 03:42, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I don't have WinRAR on my Windows 7. Do you know of an alternative instead? I am sorry if I am acting as a noob. :(<br />
:::Get WinRAR or 7zip. You'll need it to unzip it. Nothing else but to get the program. [[Special:Contributions/128.54.205.243|128.54.205.243]] 16:36, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Once I unzip, I will be able to play? Edit: I unzipped the files, but there seems to be something missing. It won't let me play, and I downloaded the appropriate .dll file. http://i51.tinypic.com/juwfvr.png<br />
:Go to start and run "dxdiag". Then go the "Display" tab. Below there should be three options. "DirectDraw,Direct3D and AGP Texture Acceleration. Make sure that they are all enabled. The message you received means that your "Direct3D" is either not available or disabled. Enable all of them and you should be able to play. :D --[[User:SailorRainbow001|SailorRainbow001]] 12:33, 10 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Stat box ==<br />
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Can one of our wikicode magicians make a stat box for the mahou shoujo sections? - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 21:58, 15 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Shamelessly copypasting the infobox for characters, I suggest you one of the two variants below. I personally perfer the first (vertical) one. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:36, 16 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I actually thinks the second version look better. Also, it's shorter length means less blank toolbox only space on the thread. Can we get another opinion on this one? - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 20:48, 16 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, the only thing that bugs me with the horizontal version is that I don't know how to label the columns, especially the last one ... "Growth per level" is a bit too long, "Per level", "growth per lvl" or "growth/level" don't look or sound to good... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 21:31, 16 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I think per level looks fine, it's similar to how we do in [http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Marine another wiki] that I help out on. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 06:46, 17 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::I added the info boxes. They look pretty awesome. Thanks for providing the template, Homerun-chan.[[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 23:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
<table class="infobox" style="width:22em;text-align:left;margin:0.5em 0 0.5em 1em; padding: 0.2em; border:solid #aaa 1px;float:left;clear:left;"><br />
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Madoka<br />
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<tr><td colspan="2" style="text-align: center;">[[File:Gsmadokaidle.gif]]</td></tr><br />
<tr><td colspan="2" style="background-color: #EEF; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;">Status base</td></tr><br />
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|label=Power<br />
|labelstyle=background-color:#EEF; font-weight:bold;<br />
|data=10<br />
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|label=Soul limit<br />
|labelstyle=background-color:#EEF; font-weight:bold;<br />
|data=28875<br />
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|label=SL lost in revive<br />
|labelstyle=background-color:#EEF; font-weight:bold;<br />
|data=9.6%<br />
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{{Infobox/row<br />
|label=Vitality<br />
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|data=+4<br />
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|label=Power<br />
|labelstyle=background-color:#EEF; font-weight:bold;<br />
|data=+1<br />
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|label=Soul limit<br />
|labelstyle=background-color:#EEF; font-weight:bold;<br />
|data=+128<br />
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Madoka<br />
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<tr><td colspan="3" style="text-align: center;">[[File:Gsmadokaidle.gif]]</td></tr><br />
<tr><td style="background-color: #EEF; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;">Parameter</td><td style="background-color: #EEF; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;">Status base</td><td style="background-color: #EEF; font-weight: bold; text-align: center;">Per level</td></tr><br />
<tr><td style="text-align:left;background-color:#EEF; font-weight:bold;}">Vitality</td><td style="text-align:left;">92</td style="text-align: left;"><td>+4</td><br />
<tr><td style="text-align:left;background-color:#EEF; font-weight:bold;}">Power</td><td style="text-align:left;">10</td style="text-align: left;"><td>+1</td><br />
<tr><td style="text-align:left;background-color:#EEF; font-weight:bold;}">Soul limit</td><td style="text-align:left;">28875</td style="text-align: left;"><td>+128</td><br />
<tr><td style="text-align:left;background-color:#EEF; font-weight:bold;}">SL lost in revive</td><td style="text-align:left;">9.6%</td style="text-align: left;"><td></td></tr></table><br />
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==help!==<br />
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i tried to download it but i can't find where on the page the download thingy is, i clicked on everything and no dice [[User:Paige|Paige]] 15:01, 16 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Check the latest thread here http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Threads#Grief_Syndrome<br />
:i can't make sense of that site either, no handy screen shots or can't you download it on the grief syndrome site? am i the only person having problems with it? *sigh* [[User:Paige|Paige]] 20:27, 16 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::You can't figure out how to download it from here? http://archive.easymodo.net/a/thread/53407713 --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 20:35, 16 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::>can't you download it on the grief syndrome site?<br>It's a game that got released (read "sold") at Comiket, so it's not really meant to be distributed for free. You should be able to find it if you know where to look or how to use Google though (or easymodo for that matter). --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 20:41, 16 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Umm,I wanted to download the file but,I can't find the download link, did someone tell me where is the download link? Please help me. --[[Mirai-mirai]] 18:39, 3 september 2011<br />
:Use the megaupload link on this thread posted. http://archive.easymodo.net/a/thread/53382856 --[[User:Riga92|Riga92]] 18:45, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Are I really need gamepads for play this game? For single player too? Can I play this game with only keyboards? --[[Mirai-mirai]] 15.27, 4 September 2011<br />
:No. Keyboards can be used to play this game. The controls shoulb be on the main page of this game here in the wiki. If the controls does not work,open Config and configure your controls . --[[User:SailorRainbow001|SailorRainbow001]] 12:37, 10 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I am really confused on how to change the BGM. I've tried a whole bunch of times, but I can't figure it out. I noticed it is in the FAQ section. --[[User:Ploppypop|Ploppypop]] 8:19pm, 10 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Moemura?!==<br />
[[File:Moemura grief syndrome.jpg|right|300px]]<br />
Anyone know how to get her? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 04:52, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:It's a drawing from 2ch, it's not real. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 05:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Being a fan is suffering --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:39, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Apparently, that's NOT a drawing. That image (and the relevant sprites) indeed can be found in the game's resources. Conditions of obtaining Moe-Homura are unknown yet, sorry. [[User:MrChow|MrChow]] 11:24, 25 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I'm pretty sure from the context I saw it in that the image was in fact a fan altered one from a real image. However, I didn't know that they pulled the Moemura image from the game files so that it could this screen could be real if conditions were met assuming the game allows it. You'd think if someone had figured it out by now there'd be a vid or gameplay images with Moemura by now. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 13:46, 25 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::Likely it's a dropped character. It's commonplace for game developers to leave unused artifacts within the games. If there is a way to unlock it, though, it would be good. Let's not forget that they can also implement it in the future. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 19:19, 25 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Now that I gained access to the game ressources, I can confirm that:<br />
::::::a-The "Moe"mura image is indeed part of the game files.<br />
::::::b-There is no additional gameplay sprites for "Moe"mura.<br />
::::::However the "Moe"mura image shown on this screenshot (M_homura_B.cv2) is referenced in 2 scripts: StagePause.act and StageSelect.act. So if it's not leftover artefacts (but imo BrickBreak is right on this) you can expect at best a menu image change, and perhaps some stats change too, nothing more.-Gniarf [[Special:Contributions/84.98.184.200|84.98.184.200]] 20:09, 7 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I heard that they released a patch to enable Moemura. But since I am outside Japan and unable to get access to their website, I cannot confirm that. Besides, QB may be controlled after the patch if there are fewer characters alive in multi-play mode. For example, if there are 3 players but only 2 available, the 3rd player can select one of other characters but will be replaced by QB in game. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 14:20, 9 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:You are indeed correct. I'm trying out the patch now and to play as Moemura you press up while your cursor is on Homura's portrait. Pretty amusing. Press down on Moemura to switch back to Homura. Haven't checked out QB yet. Pretty cool update, though. Hopefully they've fixed the bugs in the game, too. Thanks for the info! [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 20:01, 9 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== All endings ==<br />
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So as I see, someone aded thelast unknown trophy.<br />
What are the endings known this far and how can they be obtained?<br />
[[Special:Contributions/91.202.255.7|91.202.255.7]] 05:52, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I added an endings section to the main page that includes known endings and conditions. This doesn't seem to be all of them, though, since I believe I've gotten all mentioned and haven't yet gotten the trophy. Anyone know of other endings? [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 11:27, 18 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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All the 1 person surviving and 4 people surviving endings have been confirmed except for only Madoka surviving, but I feel like odds are good that that will end up with the default Homura ending. If anyone else could check some of these out, too, that'd be great.<br />
[[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 15:48, 19 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Only Madoka surviving is confirmed to give you the Homura waking up in bed ending. (Oktavia not killed, but I don't think that matters).[[User:KM|KM]] 23:57, 19 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for checking that. I don't think it matters if Oktavia is killed or not, either, as long as you get Oktavia because Sayaka died.[[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 06:42, 20 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Okay, all ending possibilities have been checked. And after having checked them all I didn't get the third trophy, so that seems incorrect. [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 17:53, 26 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::: So you've checked all 32 possibilities (I believe mutual kill on Walpurgisnacht is possible), and you don't have the third trophy? [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] 00:25, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yeah, I checked every single possibility except only Madoka surviving ending, which KM checked. I still don't have the third trophy, sadly. I didn't check a mutual kill on Walpurgisnacht, but I don't think that would result in a different ending... I'm starting to think that my original guess that the third trophy is "Beat the game without getting hit" might be correct after all. The ordering of the trophies have been such that a silver trophy will be awarded for a given condition and the trophy below will be a gold one with a condition similar but more difficult than the one preceding it. The second trophy is beat the game without any downs, so I think not getting hit is a logical possibility. Not getting hit even once is really difficult, though, due to the random nature that the enemies in the game attack. But if this is the correct condition, then maybe that explains why it hasn't been confirmed yet. [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 17:32, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::I've took a peek at the game resources again and translated the third trophy for ya. It seems there's a bug in Tasofro's bytecode, so the flag for this trophy never sets. Instead of marking it as "???", I suggest to write a notice "Unobtainable due to a bug". --[[User:MrChow|MrChow]] 21:51, 6 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Well that... sucks... Thanks for the info, though. [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 23:08, 7 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I think we do need to check "everyone dies", since as THE hardest ending to obtain it would be the most likely to have a secret (as for how to do it, I'd suggest kill everyone else, do WPGN with Madoka, get both of them to low health, do Madoka's ulti and then jump off the map). As far as not getting hit, the hardest bit would be Kirsten's stage. Everything else can be done without getting hit through overuse of time stop, but Kirsten's minions love to attack from offscreen. I'd suggest grinding Homura to 99 on Gertrud's or Charlotte's stage (Gertrud's stage is more dangerous, but Charlotte herself is more dangerous with her sky attack) before taking on Kirsten to secure additional time stop uses. [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] 04:13, 6 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::I've actually tried to die by falling off the screen after killing Walpurgisnacht before, just to see what would happen. You don't die, you just kind of chill out at the bottom of the screen waiting for Walpurgisnacht to die and then you fall and land on the ground like usual. I've also checked if everyone dies and it results, predictably, in a game over. [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 23:08, 7 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::: That wasn't what I meant. I meant falling off the screen or otherwise dying before the last attack hits. So with Homura, for example, setting up a flare and getting shot before it fires. Madoka would be the easiest with her ulti's stupidly high damage. [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] 00:54, 8 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
Hey so the version 1.10 patch came out today and it fixed the glitch with the third trophy not appearing. The 10 endings listed in the ending section are confirmed to be the only endings as I now have the trophy without having beaten the game again. [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 00:06, 10 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Laps not saved ==<br />
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Well, I completed the first lap, and utterly failed on the second (was trying to go with Mami, let everyone else die, didn't farmed enough lv's to make up for her crappyness). Back to the main menu, still with the stats and the choice of which lap to with. I close the game, and open it again just to be sure. Everything's gone. Wasn't it supposed to save after a lap? --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 21:16, 19 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Look for a save0.dat file in the griefsyndrome/save folder, and see if it has the right modified date and read/write permission.[[User:KM|KM]] 21:55, 19 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::The folder's empty. Damn... I'm guessing either it auto-deleted upon closure, or it was never created :/ --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 23:13, 19 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Apparently, it can only save if it's on the default folder. I reinstalled there and it worked. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 01:20, 20 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Mine's in a non-default folder, and it's got up to 677 available. [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] 10:22, 20 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::When it wasn't saving, was it outside the default because of being moved after installing, or was it installed in that same non-default folder?[[User:KM|KM]] 18:21, 20 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::Installed outside (in the Program Files folder). --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:48, 20 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Not-Mentioned Bug ==<br />
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I've encountered a bug that was not mentioned in the FAQ, so I decided to post it here. The bug makes the fore- and background of the stages (so far only tested on Gertrud Stage) entirely white, the characters and enemies however are correctly displayed. It also causes the game to crash when moving to Gertruds boss room. Does anyone know how to fix this? My PC is on Japanese Locale and my Directx is enough up to date (Dx11). (Also This is my first time editing a wiki,I'm sorry for any errors.) [[User:Anton|Anton]] 09:48, 20 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I noticed another glitch, though this one isn't that big of a deal. If you're in a boss fight and you pause and return to the title screen, the boss' HP meter stays on the screen. This persists until you restart the game or you get to another boss fight. [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 11:18, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Another glitch I found is that if you change any settings using the config.exe, the Esc key, usually only mapped to the menu key, will also be mapped to the player 1 strong attack key. I don't know if this can be fixed, but you can change it back by deleting the config.dat file and copying an original keyconfig.dat file back into the folder. [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 11:40, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Highest solo clocking? ==<br />
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I know that 677's been beaten with Homura/Madoka/Mami, but what's the highest known to have been beaten with just 1 player? [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] 10:22, 20 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The highest I've seen is a guy on nicovideo soloing lap 100 with Sayaka. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15316097 Is there a video of the guys beating lap 677? [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 08:16, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I've seen vids of Gertrud and Charlotte beaten with Homura/Madoka/Mami on 677. That guy lucked out on Kirsten, though. [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] 10:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I've just beaten lap 458 330 with homura... and a truckload of cheating, does that count?-Gniarf<br />
::::Woah my god high lap. How do you cheat at this game? [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 15:20, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::To reach this lap I edited my save0.dat (you just need a zlbib compressor/uncompressor+an hex editor). As for in-game cheating I used cheat engine to lock soul limit and power (set power to 500000, makes enemies die about as fast as in lap1). If you're a bit familiar with cheat engine, soul and power can be accessed via a level 4-5 pointer.(Note: set your level to 99 before changing the power or it will be reset upon level up).<br />
::::::There is no point in locking your health because even if you set it to its maximum (32 000 and a few) you still get one-shot- Gniarf [[Special:Contributions/77.200.213.106|77.200.213.106]] 21:58, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Hahah, that sounds awesome. Must be fun to spam specials all day. Mami's Tiro Finale could last minutes, hahahah. [[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 22:44, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Just solo'd 120, and ran into a bug where it freezes with a black screen before the ending plays. At least it saved the data. [[User:KM|KM]] 23:22, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I just solo'd 100 and ran into the same bug. This didn't happen when I solo'd lap 80, though...[[User:Lig0schndr|Lig0schndr]] 00:27, 28 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Cheating does not count. >:( [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] 04:53, 22 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== highest lap for grief syndrome is 1316093285, and its bugged ==<br />
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at lap 1316093285, normal monsters die in 1 hit, and they do 0 damage to you, most of the time.... and once in a while they 1 shot you... the problem with this lap... the final lap is, that the harder monsters "bigger" or "mini bosses" not counting gertrud and other real "bosses" are unkillable. in cheat engine i have set my damage to as high as possible, but it ends up overflowing does zero damage, that is why monster does 0 damage to you, and you one hit them, since they have 0 health. but these minibosses seem to have unlimited health, so the only way to kill them, is to shoot them out of the map, there are 2 ways to do this, one is with mami, using the trio finale, with your hp locked, u can hold trio finale for as long as you want, and slowly the monster will rise with you out of the map, and the monster is "killed". this method works in the first 3 chapters, but stops working at the 4th, because these monsters wont bounce upwards, thus i cannot bounce them out of the map... so I am assuming the 2nd way would be the only way to beat it. with homura, machine gun pushes monster side way out of the map, but i am not able to lock the machine gun ammo to more then 18, so i cant seem to push the mini boss out in the 4th chapter, anyone have any idea to lock the ammo for homura? so she can keep firing ?<br />
:To reach that lap, one must beat lap 36278. Since I do not believe this is, in fact, possible without cheating (quite apart from getting hit or anything, your soul limit will tick out), I do not believe this to be a true bug (since it is not obtainable within the game's normal operation). [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] 01:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::If you want to increase homura's HMG clip size, open gs00.dat with an hex editor, and write ((new_clip_size+1)*5) XOR 0x73737373 at 1A16B083 (the clip size spans over 4 bytes). Alternatively if you REALLY want an unlimited clip size, I remember getting this effect by damaging the loop condition at the end of this firing script (didn't note the exact offset). If you want to look at it, the decryption key is 0x73 for gs00.dat, bytes 1A165AA7-1A1703FB, and the homura HMG firing script spans between 1A16AAFC and 1A16B12B.-Gniarf [[Special:Contributions/84.98.184.200|84.98.184.200]] 22:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::As far as I can tell, you can get an infinite clip size by overwriting the string of four bytes in gs00.dat that read "73297373" at around 1A16B083 with "7373732D". I don't really know what's going on, though, since I didn't intend for that change to have exactly that effect. -[[User:ZetaAspect|ZetaAspect]] 11:07, 9 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Which program? ==<br />
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Hello.<br />
Sorry for kind of stupid question, but where can I find cv2 converter, because I want convert sprites? I tried google this, but there is only one and it doesn't work.<br />
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Thanks for any answer. -[[Special:Contributions/87.101.35.180|87.101.35.180]] 19:11, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Did you find a .dat extractor (if so: where?) or did you manually extract the files (if not: I'm wasting my time writing a packer/unpacker)?-Gniarf [[Special:Contributions/84.98.184.200|84.98.184.200]] 15:43, 6 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::You can found script for extracting game in Xentax Forum (Doujin Game (.DAT) Extraction (audio)). Though you must register to download this script.<br />
:::Ok that's the quickbms script, doesn't handle repacking and uses a ''dodgy'' way of finding the data decryption key. I guess writing a proper (un)packer is still worth something.-Gniarf [[Special:Contributions/84.98.184.200|84.98.184.200]] 19:47, 6 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::OK, maybe I rushed a bit, but here it is! Behold the [http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3C5R0E7Z Griefsyndrome RessOurces Packer and Extractor] (aka GropeSyndrome ;) ). Simply put: it allows you to extract the content of the .dat files, and pack it back. Of course if you want to mod a few things in the meantime it's at your own discretion...<br />
::::For those interested in viewing the content of .cv2 files, you can open them in gimp2 by clicking on the "+Select File Type" in the open dialog, and specifying "Raw image data". On the next dialog box, set Image type="RGB Alpha", offset=17, and you will have to manually find width and height (they are at offset 1 and 5 of the file for those familiar with hex editors).<br />
::::Tip: for data\system\StageSelect\M_homura_B.cv2 width is 128 and height is 384.-Gniarf [[Special:Contributions/84.98.184.200|84.98.184.200]] 19:57, 7 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::Great program for unpacking, but repacking doesn't seem to work, even without modding the contents at all. -[[User:ZetaAspect|ZetaAspect]] 23:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Gniarf [[Special:Contributions/84.103.207.239|84.103.207.239]] 19:40, 24 September 2011 (UTC):<br />
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Huh?! ZetaAspect, what did you do exactly? How did you name your output archive ? In 1.1 The game looks for gs00.dat,gs01.dat,gs02.dat, gs03.dat AND NOTHING ELSE.<br />
Otherwise, the following procedure worked on my end:<br />
:1-extract gs00.dat to (for example) c:\ykhsdg<br />
:2-extract gs01.dat to c:\ykhsdg<br />
:3-extract gs02.dat to c:\ykhsdg<br />
:4-cut&paste gs00-2.dat somewhere else<br />
:5-Pack c:\ykhsdg (not c:\ykhsdg\data) into gs00.dat<br />
:6-Ran the game; everything seemed to behave normally despite everything was fitted into one single archive.<br />
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(tabs were starting to get on my nerves)<br />
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== Blank when play ==<br />
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Well,i've downloaded the game. I installed all setup,regional language setting, and i'm unzip the game. To be honnest,the game runing.JUST ONLY in main menu and character select. When i'm play the game, the game whas blank, no drawing's, black, but i still can see hit's and scores, how can i fix this? --[[Nyan00]]--09:43,6 September 2011<br />
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Same like me, i can't play it if it's Blank,i don't know how to fix it too, anyone knows? i tried all i can but, it still can't run and always blank. --[[Mirai-mirai]]-- 16:26, 16 September 2011<br />
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Your AGP Texture Acceleration is probably disabled. Run dxdiag and enable it.<br />
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Where can i find dxdiag? i search it all time's and i can't find it well, i'll check it again thank you. Mirai-mirai you can't fix it too? I think everyone can play grief syndrome, except me. --[[Nyan00]]-- 14:03, 17 September 2011<br />
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errr.. Go to Task Manager, click new task and type in dxdiag. Click enter.<br />
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Still blank,though.--[[Nyan00]]-- 21:50, 17 Semptember 2011<br />
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err, i still can't find it, where can i find tax manager .sorry, i'm a bit IDIOT for computer system. :( [[Mirai-mirai]] 10:25, 18 September 2011.<br />
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To open task manager, hold ctrl+alt then click delete. errr. are all three in your Display tab enabled? or is one missing?<br />
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Well, mine aren't blank now i can play ot now [[Nyan00]] 17:45, 19 September 2011<br />
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==Stat increases stated in this page are misleading==<br />
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While vitality increases at the stated rate for the first few levels (6 for Sayaka, 5 for Mami/Kyouko, 4 for Madoka/Homura), it slows down significantly thereafter - at level 30 or so Homura only gains 1-2 points of vitality per level. The "Per level" entry in the boxes hence can be highly misleading. We should either change it to reflect the average over the 98 level-ups or scrap it and put a table in. Not sure, but I think Soul Limit might be nonlinear as well (I'm 100% sure power doesn't slow down or speed up, though). [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] 02:31, 14 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Testing with Homura on lap 677 (I appear to get the same results on lap 26), her vitality increased by 4 each level up to 6 (so she had 108 there) then increased by 3 each level up to 13 (so she had 129 there) then increased by 2 each level up to 19 (so she had 141 there) and increased by 1 each level thereafter (tested up to 28, at which she had 150 vitality). Her soul limit was, however, in perfect agreement with the linear fit given on the page.<br />
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Madoka appears to follow the same pattern, but with 4 more HP at all times, of course. [[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] 08:44, 14 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Tested Sayaka. The breakpoints are 6, 13, 19, 26, and 33 (ie, she gains 6 hp until 6 (168), then 5 hp till 13 (203), then 4 till 19 (227), then 3 till 26 (248), then 2 till 33 (262) then 1). I can see a pattern here, though I haven't confirmed it on Mami or Kyouko. If it holds, the following max vitalities at level 99 should be correct - can I get confirmation?<br />
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Homura: 221<br />
Kyouko: 253<br />
Madoka: 225<br />
Mami: 268<br />
Sayaka: 328<br />
[[User:Magic9mushroom|Magic9mushroom]] 05:20, 18 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== -----How to upgrade?-------- ==<br />
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Well,i've downloaded grief syndrome.After that,i wanted to upgrade from 1.00 ver to 1.10 ver. i've dowloaded 1.10 upgrade.But, i don't know how to upgraded it, someone knows it? thank you, everyone :) --[[Box usagi]]--<br />
:I had no problem, all I did was just click and that's it. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 07:10, 17 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I'm having the same problems, could someone please put up a step by step on how to install the update?<br />
I'm running windows 7, 64bit and the game works fine but each time I try to install the patch, even with AppLocale it doesn't work.<br />
Please help! I need moemura! [[User:Skwiddz|Skwiddz]] 09:25, 19 September 2011 (UTC)Skwiddz<br />
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Mine,works no problem, so i don't have clue sorry --[[User:Nyan00|Nyan00]] 17:49, 19 September 2011<br />
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I fixed the problem, although I had to uninstall/delete everything and re-install without touching any of the directories and then install the patch and it seemed to work fine. Hopefully that works for you Usagi. Thanks for the help though guys! [[User:Skwiddz|Skwiddz]] 11:31, 19 September 2011 (UTC)Skwiddz<br />
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Well, [[User:Nyan00|Nyan00]] fixed that for me. thank you! Your'e my best friend! Nyan00!. [[Box usagi]] 20:29, 20 September 2011<br />
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Okay, if you have not fixed it yet, then this MIGHT help.<br />
1)Download he patch.<br />
2)Open it.<br />
3)Locate it to the folder of the game.If it's not in the destination you see in the box.<br />
4)Then when yo click the folder and click the OK button,on the textbox,remove the extra folder they might have at the last part?<br />
5)ex. its like griefsyndrome/?????<br />
6)Delete the /?????<br />
7)Then click OK.<br />
8)When you open the game folder,the files gs03.dat and something else must be on the game folder itself and not in a different folder inside the game folder.<br />
9)Make sure that it is actually there because even if you transfer the gs03.dat to the game folder,the patch was not actually successful so it has to be directly on the game folder. <br />
10) Test it and hopefully it works! :D<br />
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Sorry for writing so much.<br />
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==Grief Syndrome Online==<br />
[[File:Gsonline-readme-jp.PNG|thumb|200px|The readmes, which need to be translated.]]<br />
http://yuzuru.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gameama/1317014043/55<br />
Is this real? Is there a good translation of that post?<br />
:That is an unofficial netplay patch from 2ch. Link to patch here: http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/File/so/69605&key=gso<br />
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:Follow these instructions for netplay:<br />
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*1. Backup your save file and the main game exe. Readme says to do so in case of corruption.<br />
*2. Extract the zip into your Grief Syndrome directory<br />
*3. Run GSOnline. The host will need a port open (I put the port into the box ahead of time then hit the host button but I'm not sure if this is required) then clients will need to put the host's ip and the port.<br />
*4. After everyone's connected, press the Grief Syndrome button on the netplay program.<br />
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:All players will use the controls set to their player one. Also for port, I used 6112 (the battle.net port since I already had it open). Only the host needs the port open and Hamachi does work for this. Just so everyone knows, the patch is kinda buggy and the netplay is also barely playable, as it is very laggy. --[[User:Riga92|Riga92]] 03:33, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I've created a network in Hamachi solely for those who want to play Grief Syndrome online. <br />
::*Network: GriefSyndromeOnline<br />
::*Password: homura<br />
::Feel free to join and play with others. --[[User:Riga92|Riga92]] 10:00, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, playing with another person through Hamachi, I managed to play a game that had such smooth FPS, it had an even higher FPS than when I played single-player. The lag really depends on the people you play with. --[[User:Riga92|Riga92]] 21:42, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:There's conflicting reports about the save file issue now, with one editor getting different files to work and some people in the threads getting stuck at lap 2 while using higher files. Has anybody figured out exactly what's going on, or have a detailed translation of that part of the readme? [[User:KM|KM]] 04:41, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Tested with two players and it used the minimum unlocked lap between them. Unless it's different for three players or we get more reports, I'll assume that the people getting stuck at lap 2 last night were doing something else wrong. [[User:KM|KM]] 07:42, 28 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Been trying to play it with a friend of mine; we tried 2000 compatibility mode, we tried having the same save0.dat file, changing who hosts, changing the port, using Hamachi and not using it... basically, we can connect just fine, and the game starts up so we can play... only we're not actually playing together. It's like if we'd just opened the games separately. Halp plz. [[Special:Contributions/70.81.159.144|70.81.159.144]] 18:13, 28 September 2011 (UTC)</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daniel-Homu-Homu&diff=28620User talk:Daniel-Homu-Homu2011-09-27T13:53:25Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* About game translation */</p>
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<div>==About game translation==<br />
*Do you have images of those skills? Maybe I can help translating some of them. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 23:50, 26 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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*I've uploaded six images. Five of them are the magical girls' abilities; the sixth one is the controls of the game and I would like you to translate it too. Thank you. To "zoom" the images, click the image you want:<br />
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[[File:MGB-Configure.png|250px]] [[File:MQB-Homura-Magic.png|250px]] [[File:MQB-Madoka-Magic.png|250px]]<br />
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[[File:MQB-Sayaka-Magic.png|250px]] [[File:MQB-Mami-Magic.png|250px]] [[File:MQB-Kyoko-Magic.png|250px]]<br />
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I hope this helps and you'll do a great work. Good luck! --[[User:Daniel-Homu-Homu|Daniel-Homu-Homu]] 11:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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If you tell me the name of the game, I can look it up and poke into the Config files to see how easy it would be to translate the actual game's menus instead of just learning what each thing is. Some games like to store menus and attack names in very easy to edit text or config files, so... but I would be utterly and completely helpless to help translate. Still, game looks good, so an actual translation attempt for everyone to play would be nice. [[Special:Contributions/70.81.159.144|70.81.159.144]] 13:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daniel-Homu-Homu&diff=28619User talk:Daniel-Homu-Homu2011-09-27T13:52:06Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>==About game translation==<br />
*Do you have images of those skills? Maybe I can help translating some of them. [[User:Yorkwoo|Yorkwoo]] 23:50, 26 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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*I've uploaded six images. Five of them are the magical girls' abilities; the sixth one is the controls of the game and I would like you to translate it too. Thank you. To "zoom" the images, click the image you want:<br />
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[[File:MGB-Configure.png|250px]] [[File:MQB-Homura-Magic.png|250px]] [[File:MQB-Madoka-Magic.png|250px]]<br />
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[[File:MQB-Sayaka-Magic.png|250px]] [[File:MQB-Mami-Magic.png|250px]] [[File:MQB-Kyoko-Magic.png|250px]]<br />
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I hope this helps and you'll do a great work. Good luck! --[[User:Daniel-Homu-Homu|Daniel-Homu-Homu]] 11:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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If you tell me the name of the game, I can look it up and poke into the Config files to see how easy it would be to translate the actual game's menus instead of just learning what each thing is. Some games like to store menus and attack games in very easy to edit text or config files, so... [[Special:Contributions/70.81.159.144|70.81.159.144]] 13:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Mami_Tomoe&diff=26639Mami Tomoe2011-09-05T20:51:36Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Speculation */ Mami the strongest? Don't think so.</p>
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<div>{{spoilers}}<br />
<blockquote> ''"Tomoe Mami here." <br \ > "A senior at Mitakihara Middle School, just like you two."'' <br \ > ''"And... I'm a Puella Magi that has made a contract with Kyubey."'' ~ Mami Tomoe in [[Episode 2]]</blockquote> <br />
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{{Infobox_character<br />
|name=Mami Tomoe<br />
|image=[[File:Mami Chara Sheet.jpg|300px]]<br />
|jname=巴 マミ (Tomoe Mami) <br />
|seiyuu=[http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=591 Kaori Mizuhashi]<br />
|age=14-15 (estimated)<br />
|weapon=Rifled Percussion-lock Muskets <br />
}}<br />
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Mami Tomoe is a magical girl who appears to [[Madoka]] and [[Sayaka]] as they are attacked by a [[Witch]] in [[episode 1]]. She is already contracted to [[Kyubey]] and offers to act as a mentor to the pair if they so chose to become [[magical girl]]s themselves. She seemingly dies a gruesome death in the battle against the witch [[Charlotte]] in [[episode 3]].<br />
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==Official Info==<br />
<blockquote> ''"If you want to make a wish for someone else, then you really need to take the time to think about what you actually want." <br \ > "Miki-san, do you really want to make his dream to come true? Or do you just want to be his benefactor? The two may sound the same, but they are actually completely different."'' ~ Mami Tomoe in [[Episode 3]]</blockquote> <br />
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* A ninth-grader who attends Madoka’s school. A kind senior to Madoka, she’s the helpful, sisterly type. However, the gun she wields contrasts with that image.<br />
* [[Ume Aoki|Ms. Aoki]]’s [http://absolute.fanboi.us/2010/12/madoka-magica-aoki-ume-interview.html Design Check]: Her twisty, curly hair and floral hairpin make her seem like a big sister. Also, I gave her pretty [[Mami's mammies|big boobs]]. {tl note: Never change, Ume-tentei.}<br />
* Magical girl outfit: Mami’s design was definitely centered around her image as a gunner. The second thing that stands out are her breasts. (Aoki)<br />
* Her bustier and boots give her a Western flavor which her cap accentuates.<br />
* School uniform: Her style stands out even in uniform. Just as Ms. Aoki says, her breasts are the largest of the four. She wears pure white tights. (However, in the final design, she's seen wearing dark color tights.)<br />
* As revealed in episode 10, Mami has had multiple demises. Her first demise was when fighting Walpurgis Night. In a later timeline, Madoka kills a Mami who has fallen into insanity and despair in order to protect [[Homura]].<br />
** In [[Oriko Magica]], this is different. This is possibly the only timeline Mami stays alive and teams with Kyoko and Yuma against Oriko and Kirika.<br />
** She falls into despair after knowing the truth about witches but after a pep talk with Yuma, she accepts her fate and helps Yuma, Kyoko and Homura to fight against Oriko.<br />
* She was brought back to life due to Madoka's wish at the end of Episode 12. She now fights Demons with Kyoko and Homura.<br />
* Mami's teacup after a fight was an original idea added by Inu Curry.<br />
* According with a [[Megami Magazine 2011-07|Magazine interview]], Mami's wish has something to do with ''"To connect to life"'', so it gave her the power to "tie" and "combine" things together. Her ribbons can also produce guns and because she is a veteran her powers extend beyond her original powers.<br />
**For an interpretation regarding Mami's ribbon powers and her connection to her wish to live, see [[Mami_Tomoe#Observations|Observations]].<br />
*Mami wears [[Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_Art_Book#Mami|regular panties.]]<br />
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==Trivia==<br />
[[File:Ume meet Urobuchi.jpg|thumb|right|140px|We suspect this is an accurate depiction]]<br />
*The character for her last name (巴) literally means "comma design," a Japanese swirl pattern. More info [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoe here].<br />
*Her last name can also be used as a first name.<br />
*Her first name is written in katakana, which has no particular meaning. When written in kanji, it can be read hundreds of ways, some of which are as follows:<br />
**graceful jewel (雅珠)<br />
**light of love (愛光)<br />
**true heart (真心)<br />
**truth (真実)<br />
**sea of the heavens (天海)<br />
**dancing beauty (舞美)<br />
**dancing light (舞光)<br />
**polished beauty (磨美)<br />
**sparkling purple (晶紫)<br />
**magical beauty (魔美)<br />
**magical charm/deceiving spirit (魔魅)<br />
**beautiful flax (麻深)<br />
*She is the only character whose first name is written in katakana (contrasting with Madoka, Sayaka and Homura, whose names are written in Hiragana). This can have several implications: firstly, that "Mami" has foreign origins (in line with the "Western flavor" Ume Aoki gave to Mami's magical girl outfit); secondly, that Mami is much, ''much'' older than the other girls (an unlikely possibility, considering that katakana was used for girls' names ''prior'' to the Asia-Pacific War; the cars in Mami's flashback in [[Episode 3]] look fairly modern)..<br />
**In Mami's case, it is not a traditional name, so that this discussion about naming rules prior to WW2 is not applicable directly.<br />
**Also, almost all the kanji examples above are not familiar for Japanese names.<br />
**Finally, the creators may simply have been referencing another "Mami" character whose name was written in katakana. For example, the protagonist of the famous magical-girl anime ''Creamy Mami, the Magic Angel'' has her name written in katakana rather than hiragana or kanji.<br />
*The finishing move Mami used on the witch [[Gertrud]] and later [[Charlotte]] voiced out as ''"Tiro Finale"'' which means "final shot" in Italian.<br />
**Another of Mami's special attacks is her ''"Tiro Volley"'' as heard in the [[Drama CD 3|Drama CD''"Farewell Story"'']].<br />
**The Reason Mami is hung up in naming her attacks is because she is trying to emulate the Mahou Shoujo from her childhood, it is her own way of gaining the courage to fight witches without feeling terrified.<br />
*During the Episode 3 Blu-ray commentary, Aoi Yuuki (Madoka), Chiwa Saito (Homura), and Kaori Mizuhashi (Mami) agreed that "Mami" is a very mahou shoujo name.<br />
**Example: [[wikipedia:Esper_Mami|Esper Mami]] and [[wikipedia:Creamy_Mami,_the_Magic_Angel|Creamy Mami, the Magic Angel]]<br />
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==Observations==<br />
*Mami always use honorifics and call people by their surname.<br />
*She lives alone in an apartment after her parents died in a car accident. She used her wish to save her own life from the accident and feels guilty for forgetting about her parents in that moment of desperation.<br />
*Mami does not regret making her wish, preferring life as a lonely magical girl to death. What she does seem to regret, however, is not having had more time to think over it. She tells Madoka to think carefully of her wish, as she wasn't able to; she also chastises Sayaka when she asks if the wish has to be for herself or someone else, asking her outright if she truly wants to help the other person ([[Kamijou]]) or wants him to be in debt with her instead.<br />
*When assaulting Gertrud's barrier, Mami fights in a very focused and disciplined manner, choosing her shots carefully and reacting quickly when she gets into trouble. When hyped up on the Power of Friendship in Charlotte's barrier, she jumps recklessly into battle and freezes up when Charlotte transforms, leading to her getting eaten.<br />
*It's implied in the series that she knew [[Kyoko]], and may have learned what her wish was. In Episode 2, Mami talks about how magical girls can view each other as competition. She displays hidden eyes when saying this, suggesting she had a very bad personal experience. In Episode 3, after Kyubey says someone had previously made a wish for someone else, Mami claims that the wish didn't have a happy ending and again seems to have a pained expression. It seems in both cases she is talking about Kyoko, who views other magical girls as competition and who also made a wish for someone else. The [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Drama_CD_3 drama CD] "Farewell Story" for Blu Ray Volume 5 confirms these implications with Kyoko and Mami meeting in the past, prior to the events of the anime. <br />
*Her fighting style while fighting Charlotte's minions resembles the gun kata from the movie [[wikipedia:Equilibrium (movie)|Equilibrium]]. [[Gen Urobuchi]] is a fan of the movie and has written a fanfic about it, called [http://vndb.org/v1390 Jouka no Monshou]. <br />
*The magic that Mami uses to summon muskets inside her skirt during her curtsy visually resembles the manner in which Roberta the Maid unloads grenades from her skirt in the manga/anime series ''Black Lagoon.'' In ''Bakemonogatari'' -- another anime by director Akiyuki Shinbo -- the heroine, Hitagi Senjōgahara, unloads office supplies from her skirt for use as weapons in much the same way.<br />
*In episode 10, Mami from Timeline 1 seems to know that Walpurgis Night is coming. In episode 6, Kyoko implied that Walpurgis Night's approach cannot be predicted.<br />
* While she appears to be mentally strong, Mami is much more emotionally frail than she seems to. In episode 3 Mami admits it openly in front of Madoka, and in the manga rendition of said scene she even says that she cries a lot when on her own, thus declaring that she is no real role model for anyone before Madoka tells her she's not alone.<br />
** [[Megami_Magazine_2011-07|July's Megami]] acknowledges that the dependable onee-san image was a mask for Mami to get the courage to continue her role as a magical girl. It easily cumbled in episode 10. <br />
** [[NewType_2011-07#Mami_Character_Description|July's NewType]] describes Mami's life to be a lonely one after losing her family and one of her choosing.<br />
* In episode 10, learning the awful truth about the Puella Magi after fighting Sayaka/Oktavia makes Mami from Timeline 3 lose her mind, since her whole view of the world is shattered. She breaks down in tears, kills Kyoko by shooting her Soul Gem, then wraps Homura in vines and tries to kill her in a similar manner, genuinely thinking that she is saving them from a fate worse than death. Madoka, however, destroys Mami's Soul Gem with a beam arrow and kills her to stop her rampage, before she and Homura go fight in Walpurgis Night.<br />
*[[Episode 10]] and, even further, the Blu-ray edition of [[Episode 2]], radically modify Mami's apartment. At first her apartment looked quite spartan reinforcing the idea that she is by herself with no one to support her (emphasizing her loneliness). Later revisions instead fill up her room with several items, beautifully decorated with nice furniture; the reason for this may be to display that she may come from a wealthy background.<br />
**It is possible she inherited her family's assets and probably insurance money. The way she dresses and talks indicates that she comes from a wealthy family. The decorations at her place are consistent with that image.<br />
*Mami and [[Madoka]] are the only Puellae Magi known who are never seen having a mark on any of their fingernails (see a picture below). [[Homura]], [[Kyoko]] and [[Sayaka]] all have marks on their left middle fingers, matching the shape of the emblem of their respective Soul Gem. The meaning of that is unknown, speculations range from a production error to a connection to their wishes.<br />
**It's a production error. Homura, Kyoko and Sayaka don't have their marks in every single shots showing that finger. Reading into it any more than that is silly.<br />
**In [[Puella Magi Production Note]], Mami's character designs show that she does have a finger mark, so this can be confirmed as a production error.<br />
*One of Mami's special abilities is her power to link and tie up things, she uses ribbons as special tools to capture her targets and restrain them.<br />
**One possible explanation regarding Mami's ribbon powers is that it is related to [[Wish_theories#Mami.27s_Wish|Mami's original wish]] and its relation to Buddhist beliefs. One of the ideas in Buddhism is that the life we are living right now is just a temporary phase. Death is not the end, instead it's the time for your soul to begin a new journey. And thus "wanting to live" is equal to "have a lot of attachment to this world" in Buddhist expression, rather than "fear of dying". Mami's wish was generated from her strong attachment to life, and her power took the form of literal attachment: being able to tie things together.<br />
***Ironically, after getting her wish granted [[NewType_2011-07#Mami_Character_Description|Mami gave up living a normal life]] and instead she focused on living as a Puella Magi. The [[Blu-Ray_Volume_5_Booklet#Mizubashi_Kaori_.28Tomoe_Mami.29_interview|crushing loneliness]] was sometimes too much for her.<br />
*Her friends and fellow Puellae Magi like to make fun of Mami's naming habit of her attacks, specially Kyoko. The only one who thinks that is cool is Madoka and she wants to name her own attacks as well (but Homura will make certain that that doesn't happen, specially in [[Drama CD 2|''"Sunny Day Life"'']]).<br />
*According to Mami, she regrets that she never thought her wish carefully as she was under duress at the time. <br />
**In the [[Drama CD 3|Drama CD ''"Farewell Story"'']] she muses that it must be wonderful to make a wish for someone else's happiness.<br />
***It is suspected that Mami regrets her wish because she didnt think of saving her parents. Some suspect that she feels guilty about it because she was only thinking about herself.<br />
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==Speculation==<br />
*The exact phrasing of Mami's wish is currently unknown. It's possible that she wished not to "die alone", and thus died in episode three because the terms of her contract/wish were fulfilled. According to the manga, she simply asked Kyubey to "save her" during her car accident, but whether this is canonical for the anime is unknown. However, this is theory is called into question when she is shown alive and well in Time Line 3, when all of Madoka, Sayaka, Homura and Kyoko are her Puella Magi colleagues.<br />
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*It is possible that Mami may be able to be brought back to life without a wish. This is due to the body of a magical girl merely being the "husk" and that the soul is what keeps them alive; as long as her Soul Gem can be found, her life may be able to be restored. There is a catch, however: Mami's soul gem takes the form of a hairpin, and it was the first thing to be crushed in episode 3.<br />
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*While Mami does not appear in Timeline 4, circumstance seems to imply that she was killed by Charlotte. In both Timeline 4 and Timeline 5, Madoka does not immediately contract with Kyubey, and Homura in Timeline 4 was determined to battle the witches by herself. Without any meaningful back-up, Mami failed to realize that Charlotte made use of a decoy doll until it was too late. This may have been what Homura meant when she tries to warn Mami in Episode 3 that Charlotte is different from the witches she'd dealt with so far.<br />
**That does not explain how Mami was able to defeat Charlotte in Oriko Magica though.<br />
***It is speculated that the Oriko timeline is an anomaly and as such perhaps Mami's survival is also an anomaly as well. <br />
*Because Mami's death has such a big impact on Madoka and Sayaka, many fans speculate that Kyubey intended to have Mami killed in order to force Madoka and/or Sayaka to become Puellae Magi. This is somewhat evidenced by the fact that Kyubey is later demonstrated as having a longer range of communication than Madoka and Sayaka originally think. That Kyubey figures Homura out so quickly (but never tells about it) reinforces this theory, as it is quite possible that Kyubey created a false rivalry between Mami and Homura to this specific end. <br />
**It is therefore possible (though not probable) that he may have done this to Mami from the very beginning. We never see the details of the car crash that almost killed her, and therefore the possibility arises that Kyubey deliberately left a Grief Seed somewhere close enough to the car to create the accident.<br />
**This isn't the only time that Kyubey would sacrifice a Puella Magi as a pawn to force Madoka's hand to make her wish. He uses his cunning again to get {{spoiler|Kyoko}} killed to force Homura to fight Walpurgis Night on her own knowing that she would fail. Kyubey calculates that this will force Madoka to make her wish to save the city.<br />
*Mami can be considered to be the second most powerful Puella Magi in the mainline series, an observation which is easily backed up by the casual and cool attitude she adopts when engaging in witch hunts. This is also supplimented by her near perfect accuracy (scoring a perfect hit on Charlotte's small body at a distance) , extremely quick draw (clearly shown when battling Charlotte's minions), the potency of her magical bullets (killing Kyoko with a single shot) and the sheer raw power of her signature Tiro Finale finishing manuver, In fact, there is speculation that Mami could potentially be the ''most'' powerful Puella Magi to exist in the mainline series if not for Homura actively mucking around with time and giving Madoka a huge amount of cosmic karma in the process.<br />
**Eh, it's speculation and nothing more. Kyoko seems to have a lot more punch to her, and there's no telling how fragile Soul Gems are, so her being able to take them out in one shot, against an opponent caught completely offguard, doesn't really mean much. In fact a normal bullet from a normal gun can shatter a Soul Gem, per Oriko Volume 2. One could argue Kyoko kicks Mami's rear in the third Drama CD, and one could easily state that Mami's laid back, sometimes careless and friendly attitude is a weakness on its own. Then there's degrees of strength that can't be measured, like having the ability to stop time and automatically make killing shots on Soul Gems or critical spots. It would be more accurate to say that Mami is the most experienced Puella Magi, but not the most powerful.<br />
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===Mami in The New World===<br />
<blockquote>''"She is gone. Guided away by the "Law of Cycles"."'' ~ Mami Tomoe, [[Episode 12]].</blockquote><br />
*Little is known about Mami in the New World, but she is aware of something called "Law of Cycles", a suggestion that she is aware of the facts and consequences of becoming a Puella Magi.<br />
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== Mami in Oriko Magica ==<br />
<blockquote>''"That was close... It would've gotten me if I had let my guard down."'' ~ Mami. Puella Magi Oriko Magica, Chapter 3.</blockquote><br />
Mami first appears in the third chapter of [[Oriko Magica]]. <br />
* In the third chapter, Mami {{Spoiler|fights Charlotte again, this time surviving the battle.}} She learns of the recent deaths of Puellae Magi from [[Kyubey]]. {{Spoiler|He tells her that these deaths were caused by a black Puella Magi, not a witch.}} Mami decides to investigate, and she asks [[Kyoko]] for information. Kyoko doesn't know much more than Mami, but asks her about a white Puella Magi named Oriko. Mami doesn't know her, but when she probes for more information, Kyoko rebuffs her. [[Yuma]] believes the blonde is bullying Kyoko, and flips her skirt in retaliation, making Mami cry. Mami later crosses paths with [[Homura]] and tries to warn her about murders, but Homura tells her to stay away from "us" (presumably Homura, [[Madoka]] and [[Sayaka]]). She then meets [[Kirika Kure]], who has lost a precious stuffed toy given to her by someone important. Mami finds the toy and returns it to Kirika, who claims that Mami is her savior and treats her to crepes. {{Spoiler|Mami accidentally sets Kirika off by saying that she must "be affectionate" towards the person who gave Kirika the doll. A witch appears, surrounding Kirika. As Mami is contemplating how to kill it without hurting Kirika, the girl destroys the witch herself. Kirika, who turns out to be the black Puella Magi, attacks Mami to prove her devotion to her love.}}<br />
* Chapters 4 details the fight between the two further, with Mami coming out the victor. {{Spoiler|Kirika is saved by Oriko before Mami can kill her, however.}}<br />
* In chapters 5 to 7, [[Oriko]] and [[Kirika]] set familiars in Mitakihara Middle School. Mami tried to stop them to save students but got into their trap. Fortunately [[Kyoko]] and [[Yuma]] saved her. The three then fight against [[Kirika]]. The fact that a Puella Magi will become {{spoiler|a witch}} made her despair, but Yuma's words unite them again and they finally defeat the witch {{spoiler|form of Kirika}}.<br />
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== Gallery ==<br />
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=== Official art ===<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Mami Tomoe Anime Design.jpg<br />
File:Mami Tomoe Original Design.jpg|Original character design by [[Ume Aoki]]<br />
File:Mami_Tomoe.jpg|Screenshot<br />
File:Mami musket official.png|Mami's muskets design<br />
File:Mami weapon.jpg|sketch design<br />
File:Homura ring.png|Mami's Soul Gem as a ring<br />
File:Madoka bd1 4koma.jpg|Translated [[Ume Aoki|Ume]] 4koma from Madoka BD volume 1<br />
File:Madoka_BD2_Ume_4koma_TL.png|Ume Aoki's 4koma from the Madoka BD 2 fanbook<br />
File:Apricot +7.jpg|[[Ume Aoki]] doujin "RKGKMDK" from COMIC1☆5, under Apricot+ alias<br />
File:Apricot +4.jpg|Ume seems to support Mamilotte in doujin artwork.<br />
File:Hanokage mami alone forever.jpg|Mami is "..." while Homura and Kyoko calls out and goes running after Madoka and Sayaka. Mami is all alone. By [http://twitpic.com/4uotfi&usg=ALkJrhiyPhOmaPddVasi7tUcSdWcyI5Dug Hanokage]. <br />
File:Megami 07.2011 Mami.jpg|Megami magazine, July 2011.<br />
File:Newtype 07 2011 p04 p05.jpg|NewType magazine, July 2011<br />
File:Newtype 07 2011 p06 p07.jpg|another page of the same magazine.<br />
File:MamiPuellaMagiOrikoVersion.png|Mami as she appears in Oriko Magica.<br />
File:Mami prodsketch.jpg|Early production sketch of Mami.<br />
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=== Screenshots ===<br />
==== Mami as a regular girl ====<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Mami in accident.gif|Mami in accident<br />
File:Mami sinister smile.gif|Mami sinister smile<br />
File:Mami crying.gif|Mami crying<br />
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==== Mami as a Puella Magi ====<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Mami gives a smile.gif|Mami glances back and gives a smile <br />
File:Mami transformation sequence.gif|Mami's transformation sequence<br />
File:Mami transformation.gif|Mami transformation<br />
File:Mami fighting.gif|Mami fighting<br />
File:Tiro finale.gif|Tiro Finale!<br />
File:Mami unlimited rifles work.gif|Mami's unlimited rifles work<br />
File:Mami's curtsey.gif|A proper lady should always curtsy.<br />
File:Mami wrap Homura in ribbon.gif|Mami tied up Homura with ribbon<br />
File:Mami overlooking post.gif|Mami overlooking post in TV version. <br />
File:Badass mami.gif|Her Gun fu is strong.<br />
File:Mami hands.jpg|Closeup of Mami's hands (and Soul Gem) in Episode 2's BD version. Note the lack of mark on any of her fingernails.<br />
File:Mami hands 2.jpg|Another closeup of Mami's left hand, this time with her Soul Gem as a ring. Also no mark on her fingernails.<br />
File:Soul gem.png|Mami's soul gem<br />
File:Charlotte's_grief_seed_and_mami's_cup.jpg|[[Charlotte]]'s grief seed and Mami's cup.<br />
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=== Fanart ===<br />
{{fanart}}<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Madoka1296141803171.png|An early 4-koma speculating on Mami's wish.<br />
File:Madoka1296219874638.png|A 4-koma speculating on Mami and Homura's relationship.<br />
File:Let me think about it.jpg|Exaggeration of Mami's desperation for friends<br />
File:Mami lonely.jpg|Being a Puella Magi is a solitary job.<br />
File:Aoki ume mami doujin art.jpg|Fan coloring of Ume's work<br />
File:Mamilotte fanart.jpg|Mamilotte fanart. Charlotte looks suspiciously like Madoka.<br />
File:CharlottexMamixMadoka or the CMM Sammitch.jpg|The Mammi Sand<i>witch</i>. Get it? <br />
File:Tomoe Mami ordinary day.jpg|A fan illustration with Mami's hair down<br />
File:Mami's dreams.jpg|Mami suffered quietly in isolation, Kyuoko was a lonewolf, Sayaka fought with friends, and Homura lost her friends to death. Clearly Urobuchi's idea of friendship.<br />
File:Mami 2.0.jpg|Mami, forget magic. It's time for you to join the 21st century.<br />
File:Tiro Finale 2.0.jpg|<br />
File:WMD Mami.jpg|"Gentlemen, we can rebuild her. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic mahou shoujo. Mami Tomoe will be that girl. Better than she was before. Better...stronger...faster."<br />
File:Phone skin mami.jpg|Mami, dont lose your head over cell phone bills.<br />
File:Mami fight charlotte.gif|<br />
File:Mami pixel mugen.gif<br />
File:QB u bastard driver.jpg|Kyubey: "If I did it..."<br />
File:Mami beatles album hint ep 3.jpg<br />
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=== Miscellaneous ===<br />
==== Blu-Ray versus TV broadcast ====<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Mami nice apt.jpg|Regular broadcast gives Mami's apt. the appearance of a spartan atmosphere. Blu-ray edition decorates Mami's place with so many nice things that would make anyone envious. It even has a second floor!<br />
File:Mami soul gem tv vs bd.jpg<br />
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==== Analysis ====<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Madokapine.jpg|Coincidence, or something... DEEPER?<br />
</gallery><br />
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==== Others ====<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Mami-musket-1.jpg|A faithful musket replica created by a fan <br />
File:Mami-musket-2.jpg|Even the firing mechanism's design is replicated<br />
File:Mami-musket-3.jpg|Insert compress gas<br />
File:Mami-musket-4.jpg|Nice details.<br />
File:Fan creation Mami Soul Gem Flower.jpg|Fan creation of Mami's Jewelry<br />
File:Fan creation Mami hairpin.jpg|Fan creation of Mami's hairpin<br />
File:Fan creation Soul Gem Mami.jpg|Fan creation of Mami's Soul Gem with a flower design.<br />
File:Mumi will liberate you.jpg|Homura isn't the only character favored in the military<br />
File:Mumi will liberate you 2.jpg|Mami on a [[wikipedia:Stryker|Stryker]]. Befriending inbound.<br />
</gallery><br />
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== Videos ==<br />
Videos regarding Mami's musket replicas:<br />
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPFLYsj0yT4&feature=related Video one]<br />
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZzmAUqtCyI&feature=player_embedded Video two]<br />
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==External links==<br />
*{{pixiv_tag|巴マミ}}<br />
*{{booru_tag|danbooru|tomoe_mami}}<br />
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[[Category:Characters]]</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Amy&diff=26300Amy2011-09-02T05:05:03Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>{{Infobox_character<br />
|name=Amy<br />
|jname=エイミー (Eimī)<br />
|seiyuu=Voiced by [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=357 Ryouko Shintani]. [http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=1625 Aoi Yuuki]'s cat, also called Amy [http://aoitown.com/cgi-local/aoiblog/diary.cgi?no=453][http://aoitown.com/cgi-local/aoiblog/diary.cgi?no=430] inspired the name.<br />
|image=[[File:Amy.png|300px]]<br />
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<blockquote>''"Meow" <br \ > "I've got a cookie. Want it?" <br \ > "Meow!" *nom* *nom* <br \ > "You're this little and yet you're all alone. Just like me."'' ~ Homura and Amy, meeting for the first time in the [[Drama CD 1|Drama CD ''"Memories of you"'']].</blockquote><br />
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{{Nihongo|'''Amy'''|エイミー|Eimī}} is a black cat, featured in the anime opening, and whose story is told in the [[Drama CD 1|Drama CD ''"Memories of you"'']].<br />
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==Personality==<br />
<blockquote>''"I wanted to take her home, but she seems to like to roam free."'' ~ Madoka's description of Amy in the [[Drama CD 1|Drama CD ''"Memories of you".'']].</blockquote><br />
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Amy is a common stray black cat that roams through the streets of Mitakihara. She is independent, preferring to stay on the streets rather than move into Madoka's house, and apparently does not like most people: [[Madoka]] was surprised when she jumped to [[Homura]]'s arms willingly.<br />
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==History==<br />
{{spoilers|for=[[Drama CD 1]]}}{{spoilers|media=anime|episode=10}}<br />
Amy first appears in the Madoka anime opening, being hugged by [[Madoka|the title character]]. However, it does no appear in the anime proper, leading to much speculation about her purpose.<br />
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Amy's story was revealed in the [[Drama CD 1|Drama CD ''"Memories of you"'']]. While on her way to school, [[Homura]], just released from the hospital, crossed paths with Amy. Homura talks to her for a while and offers her a cookie.<br />
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Afterwards, while Homura was being guided by [[Madoka]] to the nurse's office, Amy appeared again. Madoka revealed she knew the cat, and that her name was Amy. In the conversation, they discovered both shared an interest for cats. <br />
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Amy appeared a third time while Homura and Madoka are discussing the possibility of Homura becoming a Puella Magi. Her appearance prompted Madoka to explain that her wish was to save Amy from being run over by a car, exactly the kind of feeble wish [[Mami]] warned against. Madoka reinforced that warning, using her own example. Amy then jumped into Homura's arms and licked her face, to Madoka's joy, congratulating her for making a new friend with Homura. Madoka asked Homura to take care of Amy, should anything happen to her.<br />
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Some time later, while Homura is at home, a powerful storm forms outside, and she wonders if Amy will be ok. Homura is in her thoughts and wonders why Madoka was absent from class that day. Homura then remembers Madoka's warning about powerful storms and wonders if there is a connection with Walpurgis Night, a name which Mami and Madoka used, and if that is the reason for Madoka's absence. Homura decides to do a search on the internet and she learns that it refers to a witch festival from Europe. Homura deduces that it cant be a good thing in the context of magical girls, if Walpurgis Night is a gathering of witches it also means that there could be a battle. This is when the rainstorm starts to get stronger and violent and it worries Homura.<br />
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Worried, she rushes outside in middle of the storm, trying to find Madoka, to no avail. Amy comes to her aid, guiding her towards Madoka's location. The story is then assumed to resume at the end of timeline 1, in the anime.<br />
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It is unknown what happens to Amy later, but it is likely she still roams around Mitakihara, or dies when hit by a car.<ref>Knowing Madoka, it is possible it is still alive in the new world or it is with her in the Puellae Magi afterlife. Likewise, knowing Homura and how to-heart she takes promises made to Madoka, it is likely she went out of her way to save the cat and kill two birds with one stone by also preventing Madoka from wishing for its safety.</ref><br />
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== Frequent Locations ==<br />
Madoka and Homura seem to frequently meet Amy around [[Mitakihara Town]], especially near [[Mitakihara Middle School]].<br />
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== Speculation ==<br />
{{spoilers|media=anime|episode=12}}<br />
<blockquote>''"Where... where are you, Kaname-san?!" <br \ > "Meow" <br \ > "Amy! Are you trying to show me the way? Take me to where Kaname-san is, Amy!" <br\ > "Meow!"'' ~ Homura Akemi and Amy, during the night that [[Walpurgis Night]] arrives to town for the first time. [[Drama CD 1|Drama CD ''"Memories of you".'']]</blockquote><br />
* It was Madoka's kindness toward Amy that probably broke the cruel Puella Magi system. If Madoka had never have saved Amy in the first place, Homura would probably never have bonded with Madoka easily (nor see Madoka's kindness toward others, even to a cat) which moved Homura to do the same for Madoka in Timeline 1. And maybe Homura would never have found Madoka during [[Walpurgis Night]] without Amy as her guide. It can thus be said that her actions were crucial to setting the end of the cycle in motion.<br />
*In [[Kazumi Magica]], a black cat appears multiple times in Kazumi's apartment. It can be speculated that this cat is Amy - however, it should be noted that the spinoff manga in question takes place in a different city than the main story.<br />
**It should be noted that the drama CD that introduced Amy [[Tiro Finale Book|was written by Masaki Hiramatsu]], ''Kazumi Magica'''s author.<br />
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== Trivia == <br />
* When Homura met Amy for the first time, she nicknamed her ''Kuroneko'' (black cat), before she learned the cat's name from Madoka.<br />
* In an interview with Gen Urobuchi, he admits that he was not aware of any cat and that he was surprised when he saw it at the storyboard of the OP. The cat was never part of the original storyline as it was fabricated by SHAFT for the OP of the Anime to mislead viewers and fans with a red herring. However, SHAFT approached Urobuchi for the Drama CD and asked him to include the cat in it.<br />
* Amy makes her first official appearance in the [[Drama CD 1|drama CD ''Memories of you'']]. It is speculated that she reappears again in the [[Drama CD 2|''Sunny Day Life'']] drama CD, she is only known as ''Kuroneko''.<br />
* Amy's name was inspired by [[NewType Voice 2011-07|Aoi Yuuki's cat]] (of the same name), because of their similarities.<br />
** Originally it was the fans who named the cat Amy during the show's period of high speculation regarding the truth about the black cat. The staff decided to go along with it.<br />
*In [[wikipedia:Black_cat#Superstition.2C_prejudice.2C_bringer_of_good_or_bad_luck|western superstition]], black cats are a sign of bad luck and they are normally associated with Witches. They have often been looked upon as a symbol of evil omens, specifically being suspected of being the familiars of witches.<br />
**However, in Japan black cats are considered to be [http://www.csicop.org/superstition/library/black_cats good luck.]<br />
***Specially, since Amy plays an important role to save Madoka (and company).<br />
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== Past Speculations ==<br />
[[File:Homura neko with madoka.png|thumb|right|150px|<center>Dont ask...</center>]]<br />
*Before the Drama CD was released, there were [http://green-oval.net/cgi-board.pl/a/thread/46963355 past speculations regarding the cat] in the OP and its relationship with the storyline and Madoka. There were many wild theories regarding that cat only to find out in an interview with Urobuchi that it was all a fabrication by SHAFT.<ref>SHAFT deserves an award for Trolling. So much fanart and speculation just from one [[wikipedia:Red_herring|black cat]] that had no real significance [[wikipedia:Macguffin|until after the end]] of the series.</ref><br />
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*Similarly, there were [[Wish_theories#Madoka.27s_Wish|many speculations]] regarding Madoka's first wish (one that included cake). The Drama CD explains that Madoka’s wish in the original timeline was to save Amy who was ran over by a car, which does not concur with any theory known to have been proposed, so far. In retrospect, it should be no surprise to one that knows [[Madoka]]'s personality.<br />
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== Gallery ==<br />
<gallery position="center" captionalign="left"><br />
File:Madoka and Amy OP.png|Madoka and Amy in the anime opening.<br />
File:Madoka and Amy OP close up.png|Close up of Madoka and Amy.<br />
File:8286 - akemi homura cat puella magi madoka magica.jpeg|Official art of Homura and Amy.<br />
File:Ep10-ending-group.jpg|Amy is seen in the last shot of the opening sequence on [[Sayaka]]'s lap.<br />
File:Aoi Yuuki cat Amy.jpg|Close up of Aoi Yuuki with her cat Amy.<br />
File:Aoi Yuuki cat.jpg|Article on Aoi Yuuki with photos of her cat.<br />
</gallery><br />
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== Fanart ==<br />
{{fanart}}<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Memories of You Fan art.jpg|Fanart depicting Madoka, Homura, and Amy together.<br />
File:Homura and Amy.jpg|Fanart depiction of Homura and Amy together, dispelling any rumors that they are one and the same.<br />
File:Homura amy red ribbon.jpg|Homura wearing Madoka's red ribbon and holding Amy.<br />
File:Fanart amy madoka op.jpg|Fanart depiction of Madoka with Amy in the anime opening.<br />
File:Kyubey parasite.jpg|...Amy?!<br />
File:Homumado with amy.jpg|Amy has two mommies <br />
File:Madoka homura amy cute in the park.jpg<br />
File:Homura madoka amy flowers.jpg<br />
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[[Category:Characters]]</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gen_Urobuchi&diff=14601Talk:Gen Urobuchi2011-05-20T10:20:53Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Equilibrum */</p>
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==Equilibrum==<br />
I hear that Urobuchi is a fan of [[wikipedia:Equilibrium_(film)|Equilibrium]], (he even wrote a short fanfiction, ''[http://vndb.org/v1390 Jouka no Monshou]''). Rumor has it that the film influenced Urobuchi to make Homura a gun-wielding badass. Any ideas or evidence to confirm this?? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 08:44, 15 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The fight scenes are indeed pretty familiar (the whole "one-shot guns that you throw afterwards" that Mami uses for instance appears at least once). Aside from that, the resemblance didn't really strike me, that film is basically 1984 revisited.<br>Oh I just forgot another resemblance in that {{spoiler|the MC becomes a quasi-god}} at the end. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:52, 15 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I am a big fan of Equilibrium and has the DVD. I can't immediately recall any direct analogy between these two series, besides that both are rather grim and action-packed. I'll check it out sometime and see if there's anything I missed. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 19:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Being a fan of Equilibrium myself, I have to say the plot of Equilibrium doesn't have anything to do with Madoka Magica unless we start pulling some meter-long worms out of its tiny nose. At most, the references are in Mami's gunkata. Where Equilibrium is the struggle of one man to free humanity from the torpor they've inflicted on themselves by denying their emotions, Madoka Magica is the struggle of one (arguably two) girls to give destiny the finger and make it through things alive. Both series do indeed end with the main character shattering the entire established system, but this kind of ending is extremely, extremely common among media where the main character is fighting against a government or ruleset. I wouldn't credit Equilibrium to this.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Madoka_Magica_Episode_11:_The_Only_Thing_I_Have_Left_to_Guide_Me&diff=13681Talk:Madoka Magica Episode 11: The Only Thing I Have Left to Guide Me2011-05-15T09:35:11Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>I see the yuri references in Madoka but really..."greatest love confession in yuri history?" I understand a sense of humor with some of the fan artwork in galleries, but I don't think this kind of language suits episode summaries. And well the kissing part in the galleries, I think it should be clear that's the projection of what yuri fans may want, but it shouldn't be implied that's what fans want in general. Plenty of Madoka fans prefer to see this as friendship. Honestly, I only see this kind of this leading to trouble with the substantial fanbase that isn't pro-yuri. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 06:10, 15 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I am only interpreting what alot of pro-yuri fans were expecting the building up to to the end, but as I indicated at the last pic there was no kissing. Which it is and indication of a missing opportunity or a reaffirmation that there was nothing--[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 06:17, 15 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Generally hyperbole or personal projections are kept out of the episodes summaries. I'm asking you to be consistent with that approach. Although I'm pro-yuri, I'm mildly offended by it to be honest so I can only imagine what a non-yuri fan would think. -[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 06:21, 15 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Though I appreciate a good yuri pairing like anyone else, I have to agree. People come here to read factual and objectively available information about the series, not personal interpretations or shipwars. It's fine if people want to create a page dedicated to all the yuri found in the series, but it should really, really be kept out of other pages. Therefore, if any mods are reading this, I'd like to propose that there be a "References to Yuri" page created, with all the appropriate contents moved to there (for example, Sayaka and Kyouko's pages are chock-full of this, and now the episode summaries for 11 and 12 also are).</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Madoka_Magica_Caf%C3%A9&diff=13249Talk:Madoka Magica Café2011-05-11T21:13:48Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>>Notice the runes are written with the font from the Runes page. <br><br />
Err, what? I didn't pay close attention (and I'm pretty bad at discerning fonts anyway), but they're not using the official font? --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 20:20, 11 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:That seems outright silly. Why would they be using a font the fans made when the show creators are supporting this café thing with tons of material? It seems more likely that they're getting the runes directly from the source.<br />
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Small question: should we mention GSC's past ventures? I knew it falls a bit out of our focus, but some background's always nice. Plus, IIRC, there were still some items from the old ventures lying around. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 21:05, 11 May 2011 (UTC)</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Speculah:Prior_Lives_of_Witches&diff=12996Speculah:Prior Lives of Witches2011-05-10T10:02:10Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Elly */</p>
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<div>With [[Speculah:Witches as Fallen Magical Girls Theory|witches are fallen magical girls theory]] proven true, the fan base has moved to speculate the prior lives of the girls and the nature of their wishes prior to their witchification. This page is dedicated to such speculations*:<br />
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*Please keep in mind that the wishes of the girls do not explicitly and directly shape their barrier/labyrinth. For example, despite using a wish to heal someone, Oktavia's barrier has nothing to do with healing, arms, or hospitals, and instead everything to do with the target of her wish and the Witch's "favorite things" before transformation, in other words, music and violin. Therefore, any speculation made by looking at a Witch's barrier is more likely to reflect on their personality than on their direct wish.<br />
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==Gertrud==<br />
Her rose and mustached minions led one to believe that she may once been a [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ojou "ojou-sama"] that fell in love and made a wish similar to [[Sayaka]]'s. <br />
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Another hypothesis is that, given the roses, her butterfly wings and hideous appearance, she might have been an aesthetically unpleasant girl, with an interest for insects, particularly butterflies. She might have made a wish to become beautiful, like her beloved butterflies emerging from a chrysalis.<br />
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==Suleika==<br />
She has a "delusional nature." This might mean the magical girl suffered from some sort of mental disorder. Her wish could have been to cure it, or even to make her delusions into a reality.<br />
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Given her theme of darkness and "delusional nature," she might have been a girl who developed blindness and used her wish to regain her sight. During her time when she was still blind, she had plenty of time to imagine what the world looked like, and thus developed all sorts of expectations. After she gained her sight through the wish, however, she saw that the world was in actuality a place where sad and ugly things were a common occurrence. Realizing that all her expectations were just mere delusions and losing faith in the world, she fell into despair and becomes a Witch. The fact that she reigns in darkness is testament to the time when she was blind: in darkness, one can let one's imagination run wild.<br />
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[[File:Charlotte as a normal girl.jpg|thumb|Artist rendition of [[Charlotte]] as normal girl]]<br />
==Charlotte==<br />
Based on her lair that splices hospital and dessert imagery, the fanbase speculated that [[Charlotte]] was a young terminal cancer patient whom contracted with Kyubey in order to recover. Her desire for cheese can be explained by the fact that many cancer patients cannot ingest dairy.<br />
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A number of fans suspect that the title character of the unreleased prequel manga ''[[Oriko Magica]]'' will become Charlotte. Oriko herself is clearly a young girl, as many speculate Charlotte was, and it seems that she will be associating with Kyoko and Mami. Since Kyoko loves food, and Mami gets killed by Charlotte, Oriko becoming Charlotte would then be ironic. Furthermore, since Homura is stated to appear in ''Oriko'', it's possible that the events of the manga will occur while Homura is still in the hospital. If that is true, then it's also possible that Homura will appear because Oriko herself is in the same hospital, matching the speculation of Charlotte being a cancer patient.<br />
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There may actually be some evidence for this. [[Runes:Episode_3|The runes in Episode 3]] refer to Mami by name and Homura as "Homuhomu" (which seems to be the origin for Homura's fan nickname). All runes appear to be messages from the witch or her familiars, which then implies that Charlotte actually knew their names.<br />
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This speculation has hit a bit of a snag when several preview images of ''Oriko Magica'' volume 1 were released, which reveal that the girl on the cover is actually ''not'' Oriko. It's still possible the girl on the cover will become Charlotte, regardless.<br />
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==Elly==<br />
[[File:Fanart H.N.Elly.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Artistic creation of Elly as a Puella Magi]]<br />
Judging from the imagery within her barrier (in particular the silhouette of a girl with twintails within the TV-body of Elly; it must be noted that the witch herself also has twintails) and the statement that the witch is a shut-in, she may have been a recluse who wished for popularity as an idol and eventually broke down under the pressure (of being an idol, a magical girl, or both.) H.N. may thus refer to not just her nickname on the internet, but her handle name as an idol.<br />
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Her personality description refers to her as someone who collects things in glass boxes; more than likely, and given the fact her familiars are dolls, she had a collection of dolls. (Though one can doubt they looked as creepy as her familiars).<br />
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Her barrier is loosely themed after a carousel; it's possible she enjoyed riding on them, or that the carousel is a way to symbolize something about her life, for example, ever spinning and never being able to stop.<br />
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==Albertine==<br />
It's possible that this witch was a very young girl. She is described as a scribbling witch: "scribbling" is an activity associated with young children, and her familiars are suitably crudely-drawn. Furthermore, she is stated to love hide-and-seek, a popular game among children.<br />
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Her familiar Anja provides further proof. Apart from being crudely drawn, as stated above, it has the appearance of a very young girl flying around in different vehicles: planes, boats and cars, that transform into one another. It's common to see children playing around with vehicular toys by "flying" them around, with their hands.<br />
The familiar apparently got "lost while playing alone" while daydreaming, an unfortunate, but common occurrence to children. It's further tragic that this happened to a "girl" that was already a creature spawned by a witch.<br />
Anja also attacks humans by turning them into balls and bouncing them around once for each lie they have ever uttered. In addition to ball games being a universal activity for children, they are also usually lied to, be it to make them happy or to protect them from things they cannot understand. Furthermore, children tend to react badly to being lied to, much more so than adults.<br />
Finally, this familiar is described as being naïve, an innate characteristic of children: in fact, being naïve is stated to be her "duty." This can be connected to the relatively modern idea of children needing to be raised in a purer, more innocent environment.<br />
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As her familiars (namely, Anja) resemble young children, Albertine might have not been able to make friends at kindergarten or school, and thus wished to make friends with her classmates. Her friends might not have been what she hoped: maybe they were too friendly and meddlesome, too many to handle, or just plain bad friends. However, being a young girl, emotional reasons for her demise are difficult to determine: young children can have unpredictable mood swings. Kyubey's recruiting of a human with more volatile mood swings than his normal target demographic of pubescent girls suggests that he was once willing to experiment with his subjects, in turn indicating a looser organization of his species' plan to reduce universal entropy.<br />
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As Albertine's nature is ignorance, she may have become a witch because she didn't know she had to recharge her Soul Gem. While Kyubey ordinarily tells new magical girls about the use of Grief Seeds to purify Soul Gems, he may have chosen not to tell Albertine due to her not being particularly useful in fighting witches; she may also have expended her Soul Gem before Kyubey could have her recharge it.<br />
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==Gisela==<br />
Gisela may have been interested in the natural sciences, or wished for intelligence. She may also have wished for entry into a prestigious university and excelled there ("her body was once dazzling with silver"), only to break down under stress ("her body has rusted") caused by an inability to keep up with the fast-paced life of academia. The fact that she alone is dull in her quickly-moving barrier suggests that no-one reached out to her or tried to help her.<br />
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Alternatively, given her nature being a "liberal" one, her focus might have been interested in areas leading to one of the so-called "liberal arts," such an law, economy, sociology, and other human sciences. Thus, stating that she cannot use any sort of scientific power may be a play on the rivalry that usually exists between universities of science and human sciences, and even between professionals of both.<br />
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Using another definition of the word "liberal," Gisela may have been strongly in favor of governmental or social reforms. If we connect this to her becoming a Witch, then her speaking out against the status quo could have caused her to be persecuted at school or at work, leading her to ultimately break under the emotional pressure. The fact that her familiars' duty is to declare opinions strengthens this theory.<br />
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==Elsa Maria==<br />
Possibly a similar story to [[Kyouko]], or possibly Kyouko's younger sister. <br />
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As she seems of a religious bent and her shadow takes humans and animals alike without discrimination, her wish could have been a vaguely-worded one to help others (which the Incubators' plan already does) or to bring salvation to all, and she might have devoted her life as a magical girl to the destruction of the "demonic beings" witches appear to be. (Many Christian demons have unusual forms, so thinking witches as agents of Hell is presumably an easy mistake to make.) Her own transformation into a witch might have been initiated by the reveal that witches are former magical girls, leading Elsa Maria to realize that the witches she had been slaying without question until now were other magical girls instead of servants of the Devil, and consequently fall into despair. If that is the case, her intentions are ironically fulfilled after she is transformed into a witch, as her shadow now liberates any and all. Her praying posture may be as a result of her regret for inadvertently slaying witches: she seeks redemption by constantly praying for their souls as well as the rest of humanity. Her thematic links to the Tree of Knowledge might come from her belief that she made the same mistake as Eve when accepting to become a magical girl, with Kyubey taking the role of the Serpent. <br />
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Interestingly, [[Kriemhild Gretchen]] -- the most powerful witch in the series -- is the only other witch known to absorb life with the intent of "saving" it.<br />
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==Uhrmann==<br />
She may have been an dog-lover, or made a wish relating to animals. The fact that she wishes to be loved may indicate that she was a lonely girl who found comfort in animals. Her demise might have be caused by witnessing the cruelty other humans practice toward animals (e.g., beating up abandoned dogs, animal testing, animal fighting, etc.). Her witch form might be one of a dog because she experienced their pain, and because she then probably despised anything human.<br />
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In that sense, it is possible that this witch is actually Satomi Usagi from ''[[Kazumi Magica]]'', as she loves animals, wants to be a vet, and wished to be able to talk to them.<br />
:Two strikes against this: Satomi seems more like a cat person than a dog person. In addition, it isn't known whether ''Kazumi Magica'' takes place before or during the anime.<br />
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It is also possible that she actually ''was'' a dog with a very primitive wish to be loved, leading Kyubey to give her magical powers (presumably in an experiment to see if species other than humans could provide emotional output); that her familiars take the form of will-less humans suggests that her powers of thought and imagination are far less than those of the other Witches. The fact that she and her familiars were given family names instead of given names indicates a further level of dehumanization.<br />
: However, her informational card states that she ''has taken'' the form of a dog (Japanese: ''inu no sugata o shita'', lit. "turned into the form of a dog"), indicating that she was not one originally. The original Japanese text could also be translated as "wore the form of a dog," a reference to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bear_%28fairy_tale%29 fairy tales] in which heroines literally wore the skins of animals to take on their forms (though rarely of their own free will). <br />
:: Taking this alternation translation further, Uhrmann's having "worn" a dog form could actually confirm her being a dog, as the perfect aspect suggests a finished action: she may once have lived as an animal, but is now an entirely different being altogether.<br />
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==Oktavia von Seckendorff==<br />
See: [[Sayaka Miki]].<br />
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==Izabel==<br />
May have wished to be an artist, based on all the references to Picasso and other artists in her barrier.<br />
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This gains more evidence from her official description, which calls her an artist witch, with the nature of vanity. Perhaps she desired to be famous.<br />
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The witch's card remarks that her barrier art draws strong influence from more famous works. Izabel may have been an artist suffering from a creative block, and she wished for new ideas which warped her perception of reality.<br />
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She may also be one of the historically-recognizable girls shown to Madoka when Kyubey revealed the long history of Incubators and Humanity: ''Joan of Arc''.<br />
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Izabel's form resembled the ''Arc de Triomphe'', a monument honoring those who fought and died fighting in the French Revolutionary and the Napoleonic Wars, which may reflect her military leadership and patriotism in the earlier Hundred Years' War. It also may act as something of a visual "pun" (Joan of '''Arc''', '''Arc''' de Triomphe). The Arc is in Paris, and is part of a route of monuments that terminates at the Louvre, the most visited art museum in the world (thus: "within her barrier only exist works that you have probably seen somewhere before"). The Picasso painting ''Guernica'' that forms the ground of Izabel's maze was painted for the Paris International Exposition in the 1937 World's Fair in Paris-- further reflecting a pride of France--and depicts the horrors of war (she was captured in battle and eventually burned at the stake).<br />
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Isabelle Romée is the name of Joan of Arc's mother.<br />
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If she is Joan of Arc, then Izabel's nature of vanity is a justified warping of how famous the The Maid of Orléans has become. Her despair at her fate, helpless to protect herself--much less her country--likely fueled her own encouragement of Homura in Episode 10 to 'just die'.<br />
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==Patricia==<br />
Up this witch's skirt appears to be some sort of infinite orifice. Given the uniforms, the above fact that witches originate from young girls, and the odd position the Witch appears to be in, it is likely that Patricia was someone who fell to despair and turned into a Witch because of sexual abuse. The uniforms on clotheslines could symbolize her constantly washing her uniform due to her feeling "dirty".<br />
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The official descriptions says she is a "class representative witch." She thus may have wished for the position, but considering the relative ease behind becoming a class representative (all one has to do is volunteer and receive a majority vote), it's more likely that her classroom role simply played a defining role in her life. It's also possible that Patricia was a very controlling person, based off the spider and spider-thread imagery, and the fact that her familiars are entirely controlled by the witch's threads. This in turn suggests that Patricia may have fallen out of popularity or lost the respect of her fellow students, causing her to question her role and fall into despair.<br />
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==Roberta==<br />
The official description for this witch suggests that she lived a life of debauchery, constantly getting drunk and flirting with men. Roberta may have wished for a more beautiful appearance or simply the ability to attract the attention of others -- something which, unfortunately, caused her to attract much ''unwanted'' attention from men who didn't value her for much more than her body (as indicated by the Witch's appearance being reduced to a pair of garter-clad legs and lingerie). She thus could have felt as if she was constantly on display, as if in a birdcage. The fact that she is the only witch we know whose familiars are in no way benefiting her (Anja may be too dumb to seek out Albertine when they play hide-and-seek, but at least she'll try) and instead frustrating and annoying her also indicates that she probably felt she had little control over the situation. <br />
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As the witch was shown in an alternate timeline, it is speculated that this witch was [[Mami]]. The reasons for this speculation are as follows: a flower pattern is seen on Roberta's clothing and the floor of her barrier (although the pattern also resembles a gear), she seems to explode into muskets (Mami's weapon) when killed, and of course, the witch has no head. The cage she appears in, as well as the general emptiness of her barrier, would then symbolize Mami's isolation. <br />
Also, the witch's name coincides with the likely inspiration for Mami's musket summoning, Roberta from ''Black Lagoon''.<br />
The main strike against this theory is that if Mami transformed into a witch in that timeline, she wouldn't have lost her head against Charlotte. The official description of the witch also seems to contradict this theory, suggesting instead a party girl who desired attention from others.<br />
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Roberta may have also been a victim of abuse. Puella Magi are traditionally young girls, but she wears more provocative clothing, is lusted after by her own familiars (who she disgusts), and has a noted weakness for alcohol. It's possible that she was pressured into a relationship, or even drugged, by an older man; the fact that her familiars have bird heads could allude to them being cuckolds, AKA unfaithful married men, and she takes her rage out on these representations of her abuser(s). Alternatively, she could have been a participant in 'enjo kosai', also known as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enjo_kosai compensated dating]. <br />
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==Kriemhild Gretchen==<br />
See: [[Madoka Kaname]].<br />
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==Walpurgis Night==<br />
Some fans speculate that this is the witch form of [[Homura]]. Evidence supporting this theory are mechanical gears on the witch's body, also seen in Homura's shield. This would imply that Homura becoming a witch is a meta-timeline event, thanks to her time travel-related wish. <br />
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Others speculate that Walpurgis is the witch-form of a magical girl who defeated a previous Walpurgis. Some go as far to suggest that Walpurgis is of extraterrestrial origin.<br />
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Another line of speculation is that Walpurgis is actually a composite being formed from a number of witches fusing into one super-witch. This comes from the fact that Walpurgis Night is, in German folklore and Goethe's Faust, a gathering of witches. According to this theory, the witches are "gathering" into one. If true, Walpurgis technically has no prior existence as a magical girl. It also offers an explanation for the subtle differences between the Walpurgis seen in episode 1 and the other two seen in episode 10<ref>Blu-ray revision of episode 1 shows the witch exactly as in timeline 4 of episode 10. However, it should be noted that Walpurgis Night still looks different in timeline 1, and episodes 11 and 12.</ref>; they're formed from different combinations of witches.<br />
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Other people have stated that this witch may in fact be Madoka, whose association with Homura led to its bearing similarities.<br />
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In episode 11, Walpurgis summons familiars that strongly resemble the outlines of other Puella Magi (seen in both paintings at Homura's house and the end card lineup). More of these figures surround her when she is close to defeat at Madoka's hands. It may be that Walpurgis has some form of control over past Puella Magi/witches, or draws her power from their despair upon defeat.<br />
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[[Category:Articles]]</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nox&diff=12978User talk:Nox2011-05-10T04:22:45Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Sound Track CD */</p>
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<div>== Greetings ==<br />
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Hey, good to have at least one native Japanese speaker among us!<br><br />
No problem for the poor english, we'll reword your contributions if needed (maybe you'll get better at english as you contribute too; that's how I learned it at least).<br><br />
Anyway, it can be pretty useful to have someone that can translate/explain stuff for us -- I think we'll have a couple of things to ask you ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 18:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Thanks. I'll also learn English here :) It's my pleasure to contribute enriching the wiki.<br />
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== Church of Madoka ==<br />
:I will ask the question on everyone's mind: How established is the Church of Madoka in Japan? Has there been an election of Bishops? What happened to the apostle that applied to Fukushima? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 23:26, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
: At Fukushima, there is critical disaster at very limited region. Many people in Tohoku and Fukushima might enjoy Madoka Magica. However, Japanese government seems not to work effectively. I'm sorry, don't know the activity of "Church of Madoka". I'll tell you if I found information for this.<br />
:: Don't worry too much about the "Church of Madoka". It's basically a group of fans that made a new religion based on MadoMagi's finale, and [[User talk:Prima|prima seems devoted a lot to it.]] You shouldn't take it too seriously IMO (sorry if I hurt your feelings prima :) )<br>On an unrelated note, could you sign your comments with <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>? It makes the talkpage a lot easier to read this way. Thanks! --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 07:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: thanks. I see. As you may know, most of Japanese are Buddhist. We need build up "Temple of Madoka" as soon as possible, and act something good at Tohoku :) --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 10:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: One of the good points of Japanese culture is "Religion Free", I think. Maybe most of people who believe each (any?) religions could be enjoyed MadoMagi and other Anime (on Region Free Players). No more war for religions. --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 10:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Magical Crusaders Matagi Magica ==<br />
The game you posted on your profile page is quite famous, it even has [[Magical Crusaders Matagi Magica|its own page on this wiki]] and a partially fan-translated English version ;) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 10:58, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
: I see. What I should say in this case? "Gyafun" in Japanese :)<br />
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== QB's treatment of girls ==<br />
I've written a bit about Kyubey's pattern of speech, ie. his usage of 僕(ぼく), 君(きみ), and not using honorifics or polite verbs. Could you check if I haven't misinterpreted something? It's at the bottom of the [[Kyubey#Trivia]] section. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 12:20, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Sure!<br />
::ありがとうございます! I reworded your contribution quite a bit, but I hope I haven't changed the meaning of your clarifications. The "tags" theory about names is also interesting, thanks! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: Thank you for correction. I can learn much of natural English expression. This is benefit for me. And I'm interested in the first "foreign" interpretation. I agree this. --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: Additional Trivia of 九兵衛: 「八兵衛」 (''Hachi(8)bē'') is a famous character in a drama, 「十兵衛」 (''Jū(10)bē'') is a famous Samurai. You may know. "QB" is the most usual expression on Internet communities. --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: For addressing their name, first name or family name without honorifics are commonly used in close relationship (generally the first name is closer). But full name without honorifics is very unusual especially in recent years, and oppose to polite. --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 17:25, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Oriko Magica ==<br />
Well, the first thing I'd like to ask is whether [[Oriko Magica]] will be a prequel (ie. a story before the main series) or a sequel (ie. after the main series). I always thought it's going to be a prequel, but recent edits suggest it's a sequel. Could you clarify it, based on some official info? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 19:19, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
: I think there is no official announce, but the "Oriko Magica" may focuses the Mami, Kyoko and other girls. They were killed in the "Madoka" episode. So that it should be prequel before episode 12. However, now it can be sequel story as you say. <br />
: A release of the first comic is delayed due to delay of airing "Madoka". Wait the release!<br />
: These extra-stories seems not to have exact common world except some backgrounds. It isn't kind of prequels nor sequels. --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 03:40, 10 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Yuri evidence at the end of Ep.12 ==<br />
* I don't agree the comparison of [[File:KnM_Madoka_ver.jpg|100px]] as evidence of Yuri. Yes the poses of them, but them faces look quite different especially eyes. Their eyes have tendresse, affection and/or respective love. No romantic depiction on their face in not only Episode 12 but also the others. No Yuri factor.<br />
* In case of Sayaka and Kyoko, it is more possible, but I feel Kyoko respect to Sayaka who has fought against Witches with dreams and hopes, and Kyoko remember her original motivation. Kyoko might get a chance to die as hopeful girl with Sayaka, and avoid to become herself to Witch. This well up my eyes.<br />
:Well, you know... objectively speaking, you're probably right. I'm not into yuri, and I didn't find this particular scene an "evidence". However, when someone is into yuri, then it's more than enough for him. It's just... a different way of looking :D I hope [[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] will comment here :D Though he seems to be more of a KyoSaya than HomuMado fan ;) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 19:03, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Your yuri-goggles are broken. Here, take these. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 21:05, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::[[File:Kyouko yuri goggles.jpg|100px]]<br>You mean these? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 21:15, 29 April 2011 (UTC<br />
::: Oh, you told me how to embed small images! I like this. --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 23:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::My Yuri Goggles are stuck to max. But I do see the point that they may just be friends... still as long as there is hope there is still a way. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 23:57, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::: You may like couples of Kyoko×Sayaka and Madoka×Homura. OK, I'll see to Mami. --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 06:17, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:As the person who made this jpg or rather this updated one here (http://i56.tinypic.com/rh3hmv.jpg), I'll try to explain it as best as I can to people who aren't familiar with yuri. I originally made the jpg for people on /u/ for a yuri audience who already know the significance behind the symbols and so there was no need for explanations. First, let me explain how important context is with an example like the ribbons Madoka gives to Homura. To someone who doesn't know yuri, this wouldn't mean anything. However, if you're a yuri fan, you recognize that as a reference to the scene that started yuri shipping for one of the most iconic/famous mahou shoujo yuri couples, Nanoha and Fate. You also know this was done intentionally because Shinbo directed both Nanoha and Madoka anime. I'll direct you to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmKTGB_QmKc where (while it's nice to watch it all and see the similarity in long embraces and talk of friendship, just skip to 4:40) and you see 1) giving of ribbons, 2) stating the ribbons will be a way to remember the other person, 3) a promise they'll meet again. This parallels what Madoka tells Homura as Madoka gives her the ribbons. <br />
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:The importance of context is also true with the nearly identical pose for Madoka and Homura's naked embrace in space to one of the most iconic/famous scenes known in yuri (as an example of how well-known this pose is, on /u/ there is a thread dedicated to nothing but this scene redone for dozens of yuri shipped couples...of which 95% are pure fanart because to see this actual pose in an anime or manga is actually quite rare). This original embrace was in Kannazuki no Miko (KnM), one of the most well-known couples in yuri that share many parallels to Homura and Madoka. In KnM, Chikane is very similar to Homura in being tall, dark-haired, competent, totally willing to sacrifice herself for another girl etc. whose ways are mysterious to the sweet, naive Himeko (who Madoka resembles). As it turns out, Chikane is the one who remembers her shared fate with Himeko of repeating the same cycle of lives together over and over again, with Himeko only discovering the full truth of their connection just before they are parted because they need to sacrifice themselves to save the world. And when this happens, Himeko gets to choose how she want the next world to be remade..e.g. whether they forget about each other or remember and meet one another again (she chooses the second option). So with that context of the similarity of these two couples, the embrace is basically hitting home the point of yes, yuri fans, we're comparing these two to KnM if you haven't already noticed. And again, this is done intentionally (much like the episode 9 similarity to the well-known yuri Utena symbolism) from a studio (SHAFT), director (Shinbo), character designer (Ume) among others on the production staff, who are well-known for being very genre-savvy about yuri and putting in intentional yuri subtext in their anime on a regular basis. Now whether someone sees something different in expression is a subjective view (and like with me, I happen to disagree and see it differently from my subjective view) and doesn't change the symbolic meaning behind that pose (to yuri-fans at least) nor the similarities of Homura and Madoka's situation to that in KnM.<br />
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:I hope this clarifies the understanding behind the jpg. --[[Special:Contributions/98.169.117.208|98.169.117.208]]<br />
::Now that I read your explanation, the people behind Madoka are even bigger geniuses to me. They managed to appeal both to people wanting purity (because the show itself is just about friendship) and yuri fans (using cleverly placed references to iconic yuri scenes). Just brilliant. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 08:13, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::It makes sense, they get twice the profits and fan base. --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Is yuriology a word? Because it should be. -- [[User:Prima|Prima]] 09:23, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Dammit, I want my yuriology certificate of scholarship now! --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 10:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you for detailed comment. I don't think the staffs of MadoMagi doesn't know the yuri-patterns as you mentioned. So that the subtext may be put in intentionally if the patterns are famous enough. --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 15:23, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm glad my explanation seemed to be useful. They really did an amazing job with Madoka on homages to other animes and someday if I'm really bored I may go through the tons of examples of how Madoka plays the mahou shoujo (came up with at least six mahou shoujo anime and a couple manga) tropes straight and when they do a brilliant job of subverting them (ex. take exact heartwarming lines, "You finally called me by first name. I'm so glad," showing two magical girls overcoming animosity in Precure to become close, and turn them into Madoka's final words to Homura prior to being mercy-killed in ep. 10, TL3) There really is an amazing amount of meta-references in Madoka where you can see exactly how twisted Urobuchi's mind works. I could do an extensive read but since I don't have a blog or anything, I wouldn't be sure how to publish it and well, it'd be time-consuming to do it properly with specific cross-references from other anime.<br />
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:For completionist's sake, I'm going to add Madoka's naked embrace in space also references one other famous yuri scene in anime (plus Diebuster and Lain for that matter--EoE too--but I rather not cover these scenes that have more ambigious interpretations). The third clear yuri reference is from the classic, Yami to Boshi. Hazuki is the Homura-like character (tall, long dark hair, fighter, obsessive etc.) who obsessively travels across different worlds to track down her pure-hearted, sweet Hatsumi (Madoka-like character). They finally meet in this otherworldly place outside the rest of the universe, and Hazuki confesses her feelings to Hatsumi, only to find out Hatsumi is a god and so they cannot stay together. Hatsumi users her god-like powers to reset Hazuki's world so she's suppose to forget her, but Hatzuki seems to have a vague recollection anyways, and yes, there's also a vague promise of meeting again one day. --[[Special:Contributions/98.169.117.208|98.169.117.208]]<br />
::I see you're very knowledgeable in many anime, Don't worry about not having a place to publish an extensive analysis of homages, references and shout-outs in Madoka - I think a page on that topic would be more than welcome on this wiki. I actually post this comment just to encourage you to do so - make an account, make the page, and write whatever you know on the topic! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:56, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Thanks, I'll think about it. I feel like I need to re-marathon some older series first, like Sailor Moon (which Madoka references very heavily), so I can verify if my recollections are accurate and also to note details like which episode parallel event XYZ occurred. I'm also not that incredibly knowledgeable as some, like I've never bothered for instance to read all the manga for CCS and Sailor Moon. I've considered putting together some thoughts for a thread on /a/ to tap the expertise pool there, but I get annoyed by how every magical girl comparison thread degenerates into powerlevel wars. So yeah, I'll probably get around to it but don't expect it anytime soon. -randomanon<br />
::Very interresting indeed. Truth be told, I never really paid attention to these sort of things before, so it was interresting to read. I agree with KFYatek, you should probably make a page about it somewhere on this wiki. And the good part about it is that it's a wiki, so other knowledgeable anons may complete it if you think you lack knowledge/references (plus it's permanent and less shitstormy than /a/). --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 20:00, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== English ==<br />
As some of you may know, English is contained to curriculum over 10 years in junior high, high and also university. I spend lot of my learning time to sleep. And I've never use English except of very limited world in my business in my life. There's a lot of ways I'd regret this... --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 00:23, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Sound Track CD ==<br />
I love mami's theme. I want to get CD, but it can be got as extra CD of Bluray Vol.2... It can play with Bulk BD-ROM drive and normal PC? --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 16:33, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The soundtrack will be a normal CD perhaps, so it will play anywhere you want. As for the BD, it'll play in a PC's BD-ROM drive, but you need some playback software like PowerDVD or WinDVD with Blu-ray support. It was probably bundled with your drive (or PC, if the drive was there since the beginning), at least it was with mine. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:16, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Thank you. Another friend tell me PS3 is one of the good candidates as Bluray Player. But it will not be Region Free. It is important for imported DVD to play... :) --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 23:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I quite don't understand why the anime publishers region-code their Japanese disc releases. Truth be told, Japanese anime discs are ridiculously expensive as for Western standards, and don't usually feature any kind of English translation, so only the most devoted fans are willing to import them. So original Japanese disc imports don't pose a threat to eventual licensed release sales. Maybe it's not the case for Blu-ray (but it's more easily hacked, on the other side, at least on a computer), but a DVD player can be bought cheaper than the actual Japanese anime disc, so region-coding is not a problem for those who are willing to import them anyway. So... what for? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 08:01, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::: I live in Japan, and I sometimes import DVDs from EU or US because of huge price difference. In this case, my retail drive and software in Toshiba laptop reject other regions disks. The playing software developed by Toshiba rejects region-freed disk, too. It is toooooo much protection. --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 15:39, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's kind of strange what you're saying, especially this about region-free discs... And as far as I know, both Japan and Western Europe (including EU) are DVD Region 2, so they generally should work, at least on a computer (PAL/NTSC system difference may be more serious for stand-alone players and TVs).<br />In case of Blu-rays, the region coding system is different - Americas and East Asia (including Japan, but except China) are region A (so US and JP discs should be interchangeable); most of Europe, Australia, Africa and Middle East are region B; Eastern Europe (Belarus, Russia and Ukraine) and most of Asia (including China and India) is Region C. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:14, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::: Oh, I misunderstood. These are good news the same region-code as EU in DVD, and as US in Bluray. Mainly I use Amazon.com to buy US DVDs, I haven't notice EU and JP are in the same DVD region. Thank you! Anyway, DVDs/Blurays are very expensive for me... --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 16:36, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::DVDs (and Blu-rays too, but since it's a different region code, it probably isn't very important to you) are very cheap in the UK, so I can recommend [http://www.amazon.co.uk/ amazon.co.uk] for you. I've bought few things without any problems. In Europe they provide free shipping for orders above some price, <s>but I don't know how are the shipping costs to Japan</s> but to Japan it's not that good - you can see the shipping rates [http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=11073001 here]. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:46, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::: Thank you so much again. I have accounts at Amazon JP, US, UK and FR in order to buy DVDs at the cheapest price. As you know, release day at EU and US is long time after the original release day in Japan. But ~30-40 euro for 1 BOX is very reasonable price. --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 17:16, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::::If we're talking about anime, I actually recently bought a full 4-disc set of one of my absolute favorite anime series, the first seaon of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, for about 15 pounds, which is about 17 euro, or about 2000 yen. Yes, it's a 4 year old series, but I was still amazed at that price. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:29, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Sorry if I'm misinformed, but don't JP releases for DVD and BD usually come with extra stuff? Like comics, bookmarks, soundtracks, and other promotional stuff? Usually US/EU releases don't come with this, which is maybe why it's cheaper? I don't think it makes up for the huge price difference, but for a collector it's worth the price.<br />
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== Extra Communication Channel ==<br />
Some of you have twitter activities or other communication channel? --[[User:Nox|Nox]] 16:33, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:There is the [irc://irc.rizon.net/madoka IRC channel] if you wanna talk with us live, but I'm not sure how many people will be there when you log in (well it's pretty much always active anyway). Most of us have other nicknames on the IRC than here though.<br>Aside from that, no twitter account or other "Web 2.0" means of communication on my side, I go with mails and sometimes Skype. I'd still be glad to chat with you though. Dunno about the others. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 18:57, 30 April 2011 (UTC)</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Walpurgis_Night&diff=12878Walpurgis Night2011-05-09T14:35:34Z<p>70.81.159.144: new speculah from oriko</p>
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'''Walpurgis Night''' (alternately referred to as "Walpurgisnacht" or "Walpurgis" both in the series and among fans) is supposedly the strongest witch current Magical Girls would have to fight. Her real name is unknown, while "Walpurgis Night" is a common moniker given to it by Puellae Magi. Her nature had been kept mysterious during most of the series, which led to a lot of speculation from fans during the original broadcast. This article's first purpose is, as with the other witches, to provide information about her.<br />
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For a compilation of historical, mythological, and literary information concerning {{nihongo|[[wikipedia:Walpurgis_Night|Walpurgisnacht]]|ワルプルギスの夜|Warupurugisu no Yoru|Night of Walpurgis}}, a term first mentioned by [[Homura Akemi|Homura]] in [[Episode 6]], see [[Speculah:Walpurgis Night]].<br />
{{Card<br />
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|image = File:Card_Walpurgis.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 舞台装置の魔女(通称・ワルプルギスの夜 / 本名不明)その性質は無力。回り続ける愚者の象徴。 歴史の中で語り継がれる謎の魔女。通称・ワルプルギスの夜。 この世の全てを戯曲へ変えてしまうまで無軌道に世界中を回り続ける。 普段逆さ位置にある人形が上部へ来た時、暴風の如き速度で飛行し瞬く間に地表の文明をひっくり返してしまう。<br />
|english_desc = The witch of stage settings (alias: Walpurgis Night / real name: unknown); her nature is helplessness. She symbolizes the fool who continuously spins in circles. The witch's mysteries have been handed down through the course of history; her appellation is "Walpurgis Night." She will continue to rotate aimlessly throughout the world until she completely changes the whole of this age into a drama. When the doll's usual upside-down position reaches the top part of the witch, she completely roils the civilization on the ground in a flash through her gale-like flight. <br />
|type = Witch of stage settings<br />
|nature = Helplessness<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 1]], [[Episode 10]], [[Episode 11]], [[Episode 12]]<br />
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==Minions==<br />
{{Card<br />
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|image = File:Card_Walpurgis_minions.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 舞台装置の魔女の手下。その役割は道化役者。強大な魔力に引かれ集まった無数の魂。ワルプルギスの夜自身が元々一人の誰かであったのか、或いは多くの魂が集合することにより生まれた幻であるのか、今となっては分からない。<br />
|english_desc = The stage setting witch's minions. Their duty is to be clowns. Countless souls drawn to her vast magical power. Nobody knows whether Walpurgis Night was initially a single person, or if it was a phantom born from the gathering of many spirits. <br />
|type = Minions of the witch of stage settings<br />
|task = Being clowns<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 11]], [[Episode 12]]<br />
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==Trivia==<br />
* Walpurgis Night is named for '''Walpurgisnacht''', a traditional spring festival celebrated on 30 April or 1 May in large parts of Central and Northern Europe. For more information on the festival's history, cultural and literary impacts, and connection to witchcraft, see [[Speculah: Walpurgis Night]].<br />
* [[Kyouko Sakura]] confirmed that Walpurgis was the most powerful witch in [[Episode 9]]; in [[Episode 10]], however, [[Madoka Kaname]] eclipsed her in power in two of the timelines created by [[Homura Akemi]], becoming the god-like [[Kriemhild Gretchen]]. [[Episode 11]] showed that Walpurgis can withstand repeated attacks from heavy artillery, and her mere appearance can cause hundreds of deaths.<br />
* While Walpurgis does not need to hide in a barrier, like other witches, her arrival in Mitakihara Town is preceded by a carnival-like procession of familiars. This is apparently a reflection of her theatrical theme, and possibly also evidence of her desire to transform the world into a giant "stage."<br />
* The witch's most prominent familiars take the form of former magical girls, as evidenced by their resemblance to the [[:File:Puellamagis.png|puellae magi]] shown in the final scene of [[Episode 12]].<br />
**They also bear similiarity to characters from [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3o0yCwHto#t=207s the music video of Maaya Sakamoto's Universe]. This is unsurprising as both the MV and witch sequences are designed by animators [[Gekidan Inu Curry]]. <br />
* Walpurgis never drops a Grief Seed in any of the timelines. Whether this is because she doesn't have one or because the Grief Seed is always lost in the confusion of battle is unknown.<br />
* The exterior view of [[Homura Residence|Homura's residence]] resembles a scene from [[wikipedia:Shadow_of_Memories|''Shadow of Memories'']] (Shadow of Destiny for North America). Interestingly, it went through several title changes before release, among them ''The Day and Night of Walpurgisnacht'', ''Days of Walpurgis'', and ''Time Adventure''.<br />
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==Speculation==<br />
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*Homura may have been tracking down several other magical girls to figure out which one of them became Walpurgis Night. She may also have been trying to figure out what the witch might look like; however, the visuals she has depict several magical girl appearances.<br />
*Walpurgis Night could be the witch of a magic girl who defeated the previous most powerful witch. As QB mentioned in Episode 10, the only choice left for a magic girl after defeating the most powerful witch "is to become a (even more powerful) witch herself".<br />
*Given the nature of Walpurgis Night and the presence of gears and the "falling" figure of the witch, Walpurgis Night could be the witch form of Homura. Although Homura's magic is very limited, her experience in multiple timelines makes the witch a formidable foe. <br />
**Walpurgis Night could be Homura's witch form from the future, where she despairs with the fact that her involvement with Madoka only made her suffer some more. This would make sense if Timeline 1 was the best possible ending and the witch's goal is to kill Madoka alone (Timeline 1) or to kill Homura and end her fate.<br />
**Evidence supporting this theory are the gears and cogwheels, the purple colour scheme, as well as the fact how her arrival is always extremely vague (ie. time travel, Homura Akemi's power as a Puella Magi).<br />
*It is possible that Walpurgis Night is a fusion of multiple witches into a single powerful entity. This is supported by Walpurgis Night in both real-world belief and Faust being a witch's gathering - in this case the witches are gathering into one entity. The magical girl silhouettes in Homura's room can be interpreted as Homura not tracking down one magical girl that becomes Walpurgis, but rather all of the magical girls that become Walpurgis. The Paul Klee painting "Walpurgisnacht," assuming it has relevance, does seem to depict several witches fused together.<br />
**One of the pictures in Homura's room is of two lines of female silhouettes holding hands and dancing. In between the two lines is the word "Walpurgisnacht." Perhaps they're doing a fusion dance?<br />
***This theory is strangely sound, since the basis of Walpurgis Night is a gathering of witches. This could mean that Walpurgis Night could be a mash-up of many witches, thus creating a super-witch. <br />
****It's possible that [[:File:Green haired girl.png|the green haired magical girl]] in the 12th episode is Walpurgis Night, as she is lying in a field filled with Maypoles. Perhaps her final resting place influenced her witch form.<br />
*****Further support for this theory may be the gradual dissolution of Walpurgis Night as Madoka granted absolution to the various Magical Girls throughout time, in addition to the fact that the witch's familiars take the form of the various girls.<br />
*The exact time of Walpurgis Night's appearance may be midnight at the Brocken mountain in Germany, the site of real Walpurgisnacht festivities. This is approximately 8 AM in Japan. When Madoka defeats Walpurgis in Episode 12, a blue daytime sky is revealed. The sun is not shown, so is most likely close to the horizon, as it would be at 8 AM.<br />
*The preview pages for Oriko Magica reveal a white-clothed magical girl who sees the future; in this future, she sees Walpurgis Night, not upside down, wrecking Mitakihara Town. Then she sees Oriko, and believes that she might be the key to stopping Walpurgis Night, suggesting to Kyubey that he go recruit her. As such, speculah: either the white-clothed magical girl or Oriko will become Walpurgis Night, as either one of them becoming that Witch would illustrate the white-clothed girl's helplessness at changing the future.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
===Episode 1===<br />
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File:Ep1 Witch Floating.jpg| Walpurgis Night's first appearance in the series.<br />
File:Ep1_Witch_Cog.jpg|The gear portion under the witch's skirt, moments before blowing Homura away.<br />
File:Witch_from_episode_1.jpg| A clearer shot of the gears.<br />
File:Ep1_Witch.jpg| Walpurgis's face can barely be discerned.<br />
File:Ep1_Witch_Approx.jpg|A fan's approximation of Walpurgis Night's appearance.<br />
File:Ep1_Witch_Prolog.jpg|Speculation that the Soul Gem shown in "Prolog in Himmel" scene may be that of Walpurgis.<br />
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===Episode 8===<br />
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File:Display 01.jpg|One of the screens in Homura's residence displays an elaborate woodcut of the witch. She seems to be holding her "hands" to her mouth.<br />
File:Display 03.jpg|On the right-hand side of the image, Walpurgis Night is shown right-side-up and surrounded by flames. This is in line with her informational card, which states that she causes destruction when her upper body is righted.<br />
File:Display 05.jpg|The witch's familiars are shown more closely here.<br />
File:Display 06.jpg|A silhouette of an upside-down Walpurgis Night is accompanied by the text "Ein Narr," which translates to "a fool" in German; the witch's informational card also refers to her as a "fool." However, the torn part of the image shows a part of what appears to be a letter K. "Kein narr" translates to "no fool"<br />
File:Display 08.jpg|Note the green figure above the caption "Walpurgis Night" on the left-hand side. This may have been Walpurgis's magical girl form, as a girl wearing a similar tulip-shaped skirt and conical headdress appears in the magical girl "lineup" at the end of the series.<br />
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===Episode 10===<br />
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File:Walpurgis.PNG|Walpurgis from one of the previous timelines. <br />
File:Walpurgis_Comparison.PNG|Her appearance seems to change every time Madoka and Homura encounter her.<br />
File:Worlf_after_Walpurgis_Night.png|Madoka's victory over the witch is a Pyrrhic one: Mitakihara is still in ruins, and she herself has become Kriemhild Gretchen.<br />
File:Madoka-mahou-shoujo.jpg|Walpurgis is not upside-down. Something may happen according to the card.<br />
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===Episode 11===<br />
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File:Walpurgisnacht_Procession.jpg|The procession of familiars heralding the arrival of Walpurgis Night.<br />
File:Homura_Heavy_Weapons_Kata.jpg|In order to defeat the witch, Homura gathered enough weapons to rival a small dictatorship. Unfortunately, this was not enough.<br />
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==External links==<br />
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==See also==<br />
* [[Glossary#Walpurgis Night]] - definition from the official website<br />
* [[Witch from the dream in episode one]]<br />
* [[Speculah:Walpurgis Night]] - speculations<br />
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<div>Considering that both Mami and Kyouko were visibly younger when they contracted, Kyouko was wearing modern clothes in the flashback, and neither Kyouko nor Mami knew very much at all about the mechanics of being a Magical Girl, I believe this theory can be safely written off as "Proven Wrong."<br />
:Not quite. The first time we see Kyouko as a magical girl, she already had the look we see today. The images were from her childhood before she contracted. They did now knew anything about the mechanics, well, simply because nor Kyubey nor anyone else told them. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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My personal belief is such:<br />
*Kyubey has outright stated the bodies are just meat puppets, and as long as the Soul Gem is intact, the body can be repaired.<br />
*If you can repair your body from any state whatsoever as long as the Soul Gem is intact, then it goes without saying you can regenerate lost limbs and the like.<br />
*Arguably, you could make a brand new body if you needed, however the magic needed to do that would probably mean you'd need to find a Grief Seed very, very quickly.<br />
Therefore, a Puella Magi is immortal in that they can just regenerate their body as long as they have the magic to do it. The real problem here is that, even if a Puella Magi doesn't age, so far we've seen that they have a life expectancy of "a couple of weeks or months" before a Witch inevitably kicks their ass. So it's possible no Puella Magi will ever live long enough to test that theory.<br />
-supporting that theory: homura healed her eyes with magic<br />
[[file:Official_art_kyouko_family.jpg|Official art from Megumi magazine]]<br />
[[file:Kyouko flashback.jpg|thumb|Same clothes as official art.]]<br />
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This official art for Kyouko's family makes it clear both her and her little sister are attired in modern clothing...notice the jeans, hoodie and sneakers, plus the modern style dress, socks and shoes of her little sister. I really think this speculah should be deleted or vastly edited down as the evidence is squarely against it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 20:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I fail to see why. The speculah isn't about how old Kyouko is, but about whether or not Puella Magi could be said to be immortal due to their zombie-like state. So far we've gotten a lot of evidence that suggests that Puella Magi could in fact fix or alter their bodies, as well as conserve them perfectly. Whether Kyouko is really a century old or not is really an aside and should probably be its own mini-speculah than part of the global immortality one.<br />
::The "evidence" is based almost entirely on Kyouko and every time there's a point of theory made in favor of the speculah, it's overturned by facts against it. First of all, Kyouko doesn't speak in an "archaic" dialect. Ask any Japanese speaker. Second, the only "Victorian" style that you ever see, are cardboard cut-outs which were clearly a SHAFT stylistic choice. The hoodie you see Kyouko wear in the flashback is exactly the same as the official art I posted (see above and to the right), which means the rest of her outfit is equally modern and this was before she became mahou shoujo. So Kyouko is definitively from a modern time. School isn't evidence of anything related to her age. Pretty much nothing I'm seeing about Kyouko supports the speculah. At the very least, the speculah should be revised to reflect the facts. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 20:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I agree, but again, this isn't really what this speculah is supposed to be about. You'd be free to move all the 'Kyouko's age' stuff off this page and onto another speculah page, which you would then be free to mark as proven wrong, or at least, highly implausible (because jeans and hoodies were not invented that recently, it's still vaguely possible for it to be true). But right now you're basically arguing about whether or not we've been to the moon on a page about whether the moon is made of cheese or not.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Speculah_talk:Puellae_Magi_Don%27t_Age&diff=12753Speculah talk:Puellae Magi Don't Age2011-05-08T20:30:40Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>Considering that both Mami and Kyouko were visibly younger when they contracted, Kyouko was wearing modern clothes in the flashback, and neither Kyouko nor Mami knew very much at all about the mechanics of being a Magical Girl, I believe this theory can be safely written off as "Proven Wrong."<br />
:Not quite. The first time we see Kyouko as a magical girl, she already had the look we see today. The images were from her childhood before she contracted. They did now knew anything about the mechanics, well, simply because nor Kyubey nor anyone else told them. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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My personal belief is such:<br />
*Kyubey has outright stated the bodies are just meat puppets, and as long as the Soul Gem is intact, the body can be repaired.<br />
*If you can repair your body from any state whatsoever as long as the Soul Gem is intact, then it goes without saying you can regenerate lost limbs and the like.<br />
*Arguably, you could make a brand new body if you needed, however the magic needed to do that would probably mean you'd need to find a Grief Seed very, very quickly.<br />
Therefore, a Puella Magi is immortal in that they can just regenerate their body as long as they have the magic to do it. The real problem here is that, even if a Puella Magi doesn't age, so far we've seen that they have a life expectancy of "a couple of weeks or months" before a Witch inevitably kicks their ass. So it's possible no Puella Magi will ever live long enough to test that theory.<br />
-supporting that theory: homura healed her eyes with magic<br />
[[file:Official_art_kyouko_family.jpg|Official art from Megumi magazine]]<br />
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This official art for Kyouko's family makes it clear both her and her little sister are attired in modern clothing...notice the jeans, hoodie and sneakers, plus the modern style dress, socks and shoes of her little sister. I really think this speculah should be deleted or vastly edited down as the evidence is squarely against it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 20:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I fail to see why. The speculah isn't about how old Kyouko is, but about whether or not Puella Magi could be said to be immortal due to their zombie-like state. So far we've gotten a lot of evidence that suggests that Puella Magi could in fact fix or alter their bodies, as well as conserve them perfectly. Whether Kyouko is really a century old or not is really an aside and should probably be its own mini-speculah than part of the global immortality one.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Speculah:Puellae_Magi_Don%27t_Age&diff=12749Speculah:Puellae Magi Don't Age2011-05-08T19:56:04Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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This speculah was first spotted in animefan's comment on [http://thoughteclipse.blog.com/2011/02/18/mahou-shoujo-madoka%E2%98%85magica-7-the-road-to-hell-is-paved-with-good-intentions/ Steel's blog post about Episode 7]. Whether it is his original theory or not is unknown.<br />
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The theory basically says that Puella Magi, due to the "zombie"-like nature of their bodies, stop aging the day they make the contract. The explanation given in the original comment is that rather than the original body becoming soulless, it is "replaced altogether by a magical meat puppet that approximates her old body appearance", though other explanations for the same basic theory are also possible.<br />
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=== Evidence ===<br />
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* [[Kyouko Sakura]] gives most evidence:<br />
** She speaks in an "arcane" dialect of Japanese; however, characters using strange speech patterns or dialects isn't uncommon in anime (still, it's a fair point).<br />
** In her memories in [[Episode 7]], she is seen in clothes of Victorian style, while not looking significantly younger; moreover, some events in these memories indicate a different age, like the water bucket; however, the highly stylized nature of the memories scenes may mean it is not a valid evidence. On the other hand, she was also shown, in normal animation during her memories, to be wearing modern clothes before her contract with Kyubey, thus dispelling the possibility of her born before the late 20th century.<br />
** We never see any hint of her going to school, which might mean she's graduated; however it's also possible that since she came from a family that could barely afford food, it's why she's not going to school.<br />
** Kyouko is also able to use her Soul Gem's magic to keep [[Sayaka Miki]]'s body from going cold/decomposing after death. While this isn't outright defying the concept of aging, it comes rather close.<br />
** In the concept art showing a younger Kyouko and her family, Kyouko and her sister are wearing fairly modern clothes; however, the art is not within context. However, a shot in Episode 7 shows the younger Kyouko drawn normally; her outfit is distinctly modern, detracting from the theory that she is centuries old.<br />
* [[Homura Akemi|Homura]] speaks about seeing many Puella Magi die, and trying to stop girls from becoming Puella Magi many times, implying that she's doing it for a very long time - yet she passes as a 13-14-year-old. Not to mention about her Intelligence as shown in episode 1. ''<span style="color:#e00;">(In [[Episode 10]], it was revealed that {{Spoiler|she simply saw the same Puella Magi die multiple times due to having traveled back in time multiple times due to her wish.}})</span>''<br />
* In the retrospect scene of [[Mami Tomoe|Mami]] making a contract with [[Kyubey]] in [[Episode 3]], she appears to be of the same age as she is in the current timeline, while she is said to be a long-time and experienced Puella Magi. However, it's worth keeping in mind that "long time" for a Puella Magi could just mean a few months, or maybe just a year, and in that timeframe Mami wouldn't have changed enough for it to be noticeable.<br />
* {{Spoiler|Near the end of the final episode, Homura is seen in what some have interpreted as a post-apocalyptic wasteland of the far future; this must be taken with a grain of salt, though, since it's pure speculation.}}<br />
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None of this evidence can be considered a hard proof, though.<br />
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A possible variation of this theory is that every Puella Magi can choose herself whether to age or not. It can be further variated that they are not aware of that choice - it may be linked with the decision not to feel body pain (about which [[Kyubey]] was talking to [[Sayaka Miki|Sayaka]] in [[Episode 7]]'s pre-OP scene), for example.<br />
*One thing to note about this idea is that the series creators released a few "fake" storyboards wherein Kyouko used her magic to give herself a male body instead of a female one. While this is obviously not canon, it could be used to say that the creators implied to say that if not every Puella Magi, then at least Kyoko can control what her body looks like.<br />
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<div>Just a small question here: is it acceptable to upload manga panels? --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 17:09, 6 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:We don't have a clear copyright policy anywhere, or at least I haven't found one anywhere (I actually [[Talk:Main Page#Copyright guidelines?|tried talking about that]] but it went unanswered). Some scans of the manga are already uploaded (manga versions of Charlotte and Elsa Maria, "Incubator" scene, etc.), though, so by precedent, I'd say yes. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:10, 6 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::As a rule of thumb, I'd guess, select panels are no big deal, and when in doubt ask yourself whether the entire image is directly supporting the article. "This panel backs up that theory or illustrates this paragraph" sounds reasonable.<br />
Man, this page seems more complete than those about main characters! Maybe you should consider refactoring the main character pages? You seem the right man to do it (笑) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 21:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Maybe, but... I'm short on time, at the moment, I have the weekend and little more (fencing tourney next week). I'll give it a try, but I reckon it's easier when you have a couple of paragraphs as base material and you add your own (most of this article was written by hand while I was bored in class today :P), than when you have... well, no one would be offended if I called that a clusterfuck, uh? <br>Anyway, while the rest may have worked (and props to whoever suggested these guidelines in the KazuMagi talk page, wasn't signed), I failed in the history section. I wasn't able to synthesize things well, got two huge paragraphs off a single chapter. I think that's the only thing left to move this to the main namespace. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 21:41, 6 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Looks cleaner than the other character pages indeed (I haven't read it yet so I can't judge the content though). I think you should move it to the main namespace, that way other people will be more inclined to edit it as well (it's, well, more intimidating when it's in someone's namespace). Might not be perfect yet, but it's also what a wiki is for right? If you don't know how to synthetize the history section, just leave it in the main namespace and watch the wiki magic in action... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 21:53, 6 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== 'Speculah' or 'Speculation' (... or 'Speculations'?) ==<br />
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Continuing the discussion that started in the edit notes:<br />
:(me --Homerun-chan-- changing "Speculah" into "Speculation"): Just nitpicking here; "Speculah" is Internet slang and shouldn't be used on a "serious" page ...<br />
::(Brickbreak): I could have absolutely sworn the other character pages had "speculah" instead of "speculation". Then again, that's just going from memory, and it's not like I've slept for... the whole week, i think?<br />
:::(ma again): Well there was "speculah" here and there back in the day, but it got edited for the same reason (unless we missed some pages). Might still be present on some less formal pages (threads history, etc).<br>Speaking of which, I'm hesitating now: is it "Speculation" or "Speculations"? (I mean, can it be plural? I know "information" is always singular in english, for instance ...) --if we're gonna make it into meme-free English, let's make it into grammatically correct English too! --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 22:01, 6 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Speculation can be collective, or it can be pluralized, kind of like people vs. peoples. A page header for a speculation section should be "speculation" since they're all grouped as a set pertaining to a common topic, and you might or might not have more than one item. In a sentence you could use either "anons posted some new speculation" or "anons posted three new speculations" but not "anon posted three speculation" and not a "speculations" list with only one item.<br />
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As the one who suggested this kind of page design, I only have one thing to say: damn good job. That's actually exactly what I was envisioning, and I can't find much fault to the sections. This is pretty much amazing and you deserve some cookies and kudos.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kazumi_Magica&diff=12337Talk:Kazumi Magica2011-05-06T23:11:22Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>Is it "Niko" or "Nico"? The scanlations use the latter. -[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Wait. Independent chapters? ==<br />
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I'm seeing Chapters One through Three of Kazumi on Mangafox. Yet the first volume is only coming out in May 12th?<br />
I am kinda nob when it comes to manga... so, does "serialization" means that these chapters are coming out in Kirara Forward each month, before they're packed together and released as a volume? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes. Most manga series are published chapter-by-chapter each week or month in a magazine, with volumes being released whenever a set number of chapters is reached. [[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.100|64.89.144.100]] 20:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::In that case, should we add each chapter's release date? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I believe a release date along with a summary of the chapters would be in order, with proper spoiler tags of course.<br />
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== Runes? ==<br />
I think there is some runic text in Kazumi chapter 1. Anyone have a translation? - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Do you have a scan or something? Might as well try and translate them, I'm pretty bored anyway. Also, we should probably make a page for them then, [[Runes:Kazumi Magica]] or something. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 14:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c001/4.html I see them here, but suddenly I'm not sure if they were added there by the scanlators or not.] There ''might'' be some [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c003/5.html here] as well, I'm not sure. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 15:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, the first one is obviously added by the scanlator. It reads "scanlated by /a/non for /a/non, raws from [something I couldn't read due to quality]". --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The mysterious characters on the second one don't look like any recognized runes to me. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::In case you're talking about "入口は??", that's japanese. I can't make it quite out, but it should say something like "Entrance this way". --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 16:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Oh my. I know enough Japanese to know what 入口 is, but it's such an obfuscated font I'd never tell it's kanji. Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The last scanlator runeword matches the raw provider name in the watermark in the next page, and it's mixing archaic and modern.<br />
::::: Thank you all very much, sorry for the inconvenience. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Juubey? ==<br />
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Where'd you get this from? O.o [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:[[File:Juubey.jpg|200px]]<br />
:It seems that scans leaked on 2ch. [[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 13:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Now notice the shadow next to Juubey in the first panel. Juubey may not be an Incubator after all... -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Jubey's definitely an Incubator. The girl on the second page (I forget her name) calls him/her/it "the fairy that made us into puella magi". It seems that Kyubey is present on the first page, though...--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Exactly. Kyubey is a hive mind. Why would he need to talk to himself like that? I think the fact that it's a "fairy" is going to be a major point. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 16:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::Even if there's a hive mind, that doesn't mean they can simply telepathically talk or instantly know what another Incubator is up to. Like the Human Interfaces in Haruhi.--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Volume 1 ==<br />
Dumb question: I would imagine that since it's being released the same time as ''Oriko'' it might get lost in the shuffle, but is there anyone who's planning to look through it and see if there are any differences/additions to the original serialized chapters? -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:If someone will upload the scans (raws are fine) of the tankobon somewhere (preferably as some DDL, but torrent is OK, too), then I can do that. But seeing how Kazumi is rather unpopular, I'm not so sure of the scan availability. I don't plan on buying Kazumi myself. Not in the slightest. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 20:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Yeah, that's what concerns me. I'd do it myself, if I could get the scans, but...--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::It is? Uh... it's got half a million views in MangaFox, but then again, I guess that doesn't translate in the "Madoka is sold out EVERYWHERE" thing we had with the original manga. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: It's more that I'm worried Kazumi will be ignored when Oriko comes out. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::: Well obviously. Slapping the main characters on it = automatic profit. And Kazumi was just getting intresting :/ (well, to most people. I've liked it since the start. Though it might just be because I love Kazumi and real tech mixed with magic (the GPS, Yuuri's SMGs are ''almost'' [[wikipedia:Walther MPL|Walther MPL]]'s, etc.)) --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Expansion ==<br />
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This is a question that also applies to Oriko.<br>Right now, we have a single page to cover everything in each manga release. Granted, they're nearly not the same scale as Madoka, and one of them is just a medium conversion with few changes. But still, there's more to it than just this.<br />
The most obvious example being a page for Kazumi herself, Umika and Kaoru, and another for the Pleiades Saints. And maybe then think about other stuff.<br>I volunteer to work on it, but I won't be able to until the weekend, university and fencing are keeping me locked up.<br>But that's not really my main question. That would be: should it be done? Okay, this is "Puella Magi wiki", not "Madoka wiki". But given the obviously huge focus on Madoka, and the apparent lack of interest in the spin-offs (so far), is it justifiable? <br>I certainly think so, but I want to hear from you. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I myself am not interested in the spinoffs, but definitely think that ''Kazumi'' at least should get its own set of character pages and the like. My only problem is with ''Oriko'': the current translation of the second volume's synopsis calls it the "concluding" volume, meaning that the series most likely isn't going to have enough content to justify taking up more than one page -- especially considering that any new insight into the anime characters can just be entered onto ''their'' preexisting pages. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 03:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I support Kazumi pages. Oriko at the very least should get her own page. It's approximately 8 chapters, which is relatively significant. [[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 05:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I think it's best to separate manga characterizations from the anime ones. Oriko is described as a spin-off, so events and characterizations may not be considered canon to the anime. We know even the direct adaptation manga has significant differences from the anime. For example, the manga shows Sayaka killing the men on the train whereas Shinbo in the anime chose not to go that route. Either interpretation was acceptable to Urobuchi who left the scenario open to both so neither are technically wrong but it would be confusing and a bit misleading to not clearly state what was in the anime and what was in the manga. This would also apply to the background information on Madoka's characters from Oriko. I'm all for having it included but the source should be clearly stated and preferably categorized so it avoids any confusion. As for Kazumi, as long as the pages stay under the manga section, it sounds fine, just don't want it under the characters page where people might get confused with them and the Madoka anime characters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 05:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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SUGGESTION: Since the character pages all need to be cleaned up a little big in general (speculah about characters should be moved to a new speculah page for characters, for example, and be tagged right/wrong/uncomfirmed), redundant discussions need to be trimmed, etc etc, just add a "in the manga" section to each character page that will, as necessary, detail their involvement in the mangas. Furthermore, I believe that each major manga character (so Kazumi and Oriko, at least) should get their own page on the characters page. Just add a section for manga-only characters.<br />
:The character pages do need clean-up however I don't think Kazumi or any other manga-only characters (like in Oriko) should be included with the Madoka ones. The website is dedicated to Puella Magi (or Mahou Shoujo) Madoka Magica. That means the character pages should really only be dedicated to those characters in the anime. The manga only characters belong in the manga section as something in addition that might interest people, but isn't the main focus or draw to this site. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 07:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with the sentiment, but why have a wiki for the anime and a wiki for the manga when we could have a single unified wiki that properly identifies what comes from the manga and what comes from the anime? This just seems like it'll split the fanbase between working on a manga wiki and working on an anime wiki... and guess which one will get more attention and which one will be incomplete and barely worked on if that happens? I'm not seeing the harm in adding manga material, as long as it is clearly identified and marked which is what. Not only that, but knowing that the mangas are being produced by the same company, they may reveal things that will fill in the blanks for the anime. If a decision can't be reached by single individuals, though... why not hold a poll?<br />
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::Actually, the wiki is called "puella-magi.net" (as opposed to the previous one who was madoka-centered), and the homepage states "(...) as well as any subsequent works.", so like the guy above me (who didn't sign his comment by the way), I think manga characters do have their place here. Why not just add a new row "Manga characters" in the [[Characters]]'s table? (just like Madoka's family and classmates) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Let me see if I can explain my thinking in clearer, more straight-forward fashion. The most logical way I see to fix the issues discussed is for: the manga to have its own subsection (equivalent to setting, products, media etc.) and in that section, each manga would have a separate listing under it. Then, you can break out the manga into a chapters and character page. This is a simple way to solve the issues of growth and also clearly separates what happens in the anime from what happens in the manga. You can also then provide a link from the anime characters pointing to the manga character page(s) to give additional information/discrepancies between what occurred in the anime and manga, but having separate pages makes it easy to see what characteristic was derived from which source. <br />
:::On the other hand, if you'd did it the other way people are suggesting, adding manga-only characters to the character section, it could easily become confusing to someone who is not familiar with both the anime and manga. It's also inconsistent with the format of the section under settings where location, glossary and (of course) episodes are all anime-specific. Then you may open up the can of worms where people start adding manga-only items to location, glossary, etc. If you say well why does any of this matter? It's because there are always discrepancies between "canon anime," "canon manga," and "spin-off manga," that are viewed as different level of authority by fans and it's important to them to know the distinction. Anytime those lines start getting blurred, you'll get a host of questions and arguments that could have been avoided by knowing that X came from this source and Y came from this other source, and OK the first source is canon and the second one isn't. Speaking from the painful experience of seeing this happen many times before with other franchises--well, it's always good to keep source material as clear as possible. <br />
:::One final comment: It only takes one or two dedicated fans to update the wiki on a manga volume and it seems Kazumi has those fans. I don't see why people are concerned it'll get neglected. Even if Kazumi updates are delayed because of Oriko's premiere, that would only be reflecting the fanbase interests and the wiki doing what it's suppose to: providing the info that's most interesting and timely to the fanbase. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 15:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, I get your point better now, and it makes sense indeed. We just have to be careful to link the pages properly to give the "Manga" part of the wiki the attention it desserves, and to carefully state what should go where. The easiest way to do so would probably be to use a new namespace, "Manga:", for all those pages, right? <br>Also, another advantage I see in your way of separating things is that character pages (as well as others) won't grow any bigger that way. If we merge both the anime and manga info into one page, then it'd grow into a wall of text even bigger than it is now. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::In all seriousness, have you ever seen any wiki related to some fictional work to have many pages about the same character for different media he/she appears in? The only example I am aware of is Asuka from Evangelion on the [http://wiki.evageeks.org EvaGeeks wiki]. Since her name and biography is quite different in the Rebuild movies, they chose to just mention her Rebuild version briefly in the main article ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Langley_Soryu Asuka Langley Soryu]) and make a separate article for the Rebuild character ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Shikinami_Langley Asuka Shikinami Langley]).<br />
:::::But look at [http://wiki.evageeks.org/Shinji_Ikari the page about Shinji]. There are several paragraphs about him in the original series and The End of Eva (treated jointly), and then subsections "in the manga", "in other Eva-base manga", "in Rebuild of Eva". They have no speculah section, but a trivia section titled "Notes", so it kind of evens out ;)<br />
:::::Anyway, the Madoka manga does not really differ ''that'' much from the anime. Even though I kind of outdid myself [[Manga differences|spotting almost every single difference]], most of them are fairly insignificant in terms of character development. Knowing the exact wording of Mami's wish or not? Sayaka killing the men on the train or not? Charlotte looking different in her caterpillar form? Kyubey having facial expression or not? Do they really justify making separate pages for anime and manga versions of every single character? I don't think so.<br />
:::::The only appearance of Madoka character in Kazumi is Kyubey's cameo and Madoka's silhouette as an illustration of a Puella Magi, which are totally insignificant for anything other than noting it. I don't think we'll ever see other anime characters in Kazumi, since it takes place in a different city. And Kazumi isn't in conflict with anime canon in terms of "the laws of the universe".<br />
:::::Oriko will be a different beast, because many of Madoka's main characters are also Oriko's main characters. But even if it will be in direct conflict with the anime canon, I vote for just having an "In other media" section, and then subsections "In ''Madoka'' manga", "In ''Oriko'' manga" etc. We don't have two separate Madokas (or Mamis, Homuras, Kyoukos, Kyubeys), it's the same character. And having many timelines doesn't change it (can you seriously imagine having separate page for eg. Keiichi from Higurashi for every arc?). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::So in the end it all comes down to how much difference there is between sources. If existing characters start changing a lot in one of the series, then they may need a separate page, but not if it's just minor changes/no changes at all, where a single section would be enough ... (note that there isn't much difference between both solution if the pages are linked proprely)<br>Anyway, I have to admit I don't follow any of the manga series, so I'll leave the debate to you guys. Just one last suggestion: why don't we do as usual, i.e. solving problems when they're here? We could just add stuff to the existing pages for now, and start thinking of another organization if it gets too messy in the future right? None of the pages look like they'd need a refactoring in the near future to me, and we still barely know anything about Kazumi/Oriko Magica so it's a bit hard to anticipate at this rate ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Yeah, sorry, I saw this discussion as a future direction, e.g. after Oriko and Kazumi's new volumes are out. Right now even the manga pages aren't even half as long as say, Homura's character page. So they're fine as one-pagers at the moment.<br />
::::::Hm, I think you're misunderstanding in thinking there'd be a "Manga Homura" page versus "Anime Homura" page. What I'm proposing is a "Manga Character page" for each manga so for instance, Kazumi would have a page listing all its characters. Madoka and Oriko's manga would provide for anime characters: a blurb description, a link to the anime-specific characters page, then list things unique to that manga. Then for Oriko it would list all the manga-specific characters like the three new girls, witches, etc. This to me is far clearer and easier for users than adding all the manga-only characters in Oriko and Kazumi to the already long list of characters, and then add more sections to the already lengthy anime character pages. I hear you about the wikis with the Eva examples and that makes sense when you normally have brief, general summaries that you can put together where there's consensus, and easily see where there's major differences from different sources. I personally prefer that format for character pages and I'd be for it if things were rolled up in summary format. But I see Madoka's wiki is different with very detailed levels of information for well, everything (like the summary paragraphs of all the manga vs. anime differences...that's not something you normally see on a wiki), and people seemed inclined in only adding and not trimming things back. When things are that detailed, it makes sense to separate out pages to reduce length and confusion. Madoka's manga doesn't have much but if people show as much interest in detailing things for Oriko, those character pages can really get out-of-hand. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::OK, I think I see your point now, and it seems we don't really differ much, if at all ;) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::::<s>Full-blown discussion engaged. Just as keikaku.</s><br>Don't mind me addressing initial ponderings, I was away all day. First, of course a proper separation is needed. I never in any way doubted that. The issue was "how", not "if", and you handled better than I would have. So, two main lines of thought, so far: a strong separation between anime and manga stuff, or a higher level of interaction, while asserting their differences. I must go with the last one. Character pages for ''at least'' the major manga characters (well... it's not like Madoka follows that rule), "In other media" sections for anime ones, and a "manga characters" section at the Characters page.<br>But I do absolutely agree that the differences in canon must be properly stated. Maybe some sort of header on both saying: <br><br>(NOTE: It is unclear how canonical the events of the manga editions are towards the anime. Use caution.)<br><br>Or something of the kind (shorter, of course). <br>As for things getting out of hand... that's what were here for, no? Although I do not believe things will go down that road. If they didn't with the anime (or rather: they did, but we rode through the storm), I find it hard to believe it will happen with Oriko, no matter the popularity. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 23:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Here's a suggestion. Stop me if I'm wrong. Character pages, IMO, should be divided like this: <br />
*Brief Summary, First Appearance <br />
*Personality (Brief Overview) <br />
*History (backstory+role in the anime; this section would clearly point out that a character is NOT from the anime in the case of manga characters) <br />
*In the Manga (information may not be canon; use section to give an overview of what they do in each manga series, if applicable; for example, this would be a good place to note things like 'in the manga, <so and so forth>'s weapon is slightly different' or 'in the manga, <so and so forth> actually kills <unimportant characters on a train>')<br />
*Powers, Weapons & Abilities <br />
*Trivia <br />
*Gallery<br />
*Link to Speculah Page<br />
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As it is right now, I won't lie, character pages look like shit. They're full of weird speculah, people have a tendency to use the various fields as mini-forums for discussion (instead of the talk pages), the official info sections are basically heaps of stuff, and the pages are NOT easy to read. Compare this to any other established wiki with dedicated character pages and... yeah, this is definitely a weird way to do it. More to the point: people need to stop using the character pages as discussion forums. They need to use the talk pages for that. If I'm wrong, then I guess it's no use hanging around and offering contributions now and again; I must have some odd, incompatible way of thinking for the people on this wiki.<br />
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:Well I agree to the rest we should make a character page. However we don't had much official images of the characters from Kazumi. Like separating the character tablet of Madoka and Kazumi. -[[User:Dandan550|Dandan550]] 07:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I agree that the character pages need a cleanup, and actually, [[Wishlist|it's in the wishlist]]. I also agree that the speculah section should be a little more formal, and not "I think this ... I disagree with him ...". I don't see a problem with people adding sub-points to a point of speculah, [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tsundere/Anime tvtropes-like], but we should just be careful not to turn it into a talkpage (i.e. we should avoid personal opinion and prefer neutral speech for instance).<br>As for the speculah section, if they're written correctly (and maybe cleaned up, like Homura's page), I don't see a reason to move them to another page. Since you're talking about other established wiki, just look at [http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo the Touhou wiki] for instance: there is also a part of speculah on the characters pages, even though it's far smaller than here (I don't think that delirium about Yukari's name is canon, but I may be mistaken).<br>So yeah in conclusion I agree with you, except that I'd leave the speculah on the page if I were you. Also, I'm nitpicking here but I'm not sure "weapons and abilities" need a section on its own. What is there to write, except "Madoka uses a bow and has the ability to throw random stuff when things go downhill"? There's also [[Weapons|a page]] detailing what the weapons are, and so on.<br><br>tl;dr I agree with your way of doing things, with some minor changes. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 08:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::'Powers, abilities, etc' could link to the magic/magic speculah/weapon pages for more indepth outlooks. But for example, such a section on Homura's page would list out her shield, how it works (hourglass/one month), the timestopping, etc. The alternative would be to start including manga characters' stuff on those pages, which... risks making them swell and swell.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kazumi_Magica&diff=12197Talk:Kazumi Magica2011-05-06T04:21:41Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Expansion */</p>
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<div>Is it "Niko" or "Nico"? The scanlations use the latter. -[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Wait. Independent chapters? ==<br />
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I'm seeing Chapters One through Three of Kazumi on Mangafox. Yet the first volume is only coming out in May 12th?<br />
I am kinda nob when it comes to manga... so, does "serialization" means that these chapters are coming out in Kirara Forward each month, before they're packed together and released as a volume? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes. Most manga series are published chapter-by-chapter each week or month in a magazine, with volumes being released whenever a set number of chapters is reached. [[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.100|64.89.144.100]] 20:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::In that case, should we add each chapter's release date? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I believe a release date along with a summary of the chapters would be in order, with proper spoiler tags of course.<br />
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== Runes? ==<br />
I think there is some runic text in Kazumi chapter 1. Anyone have a translation? - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Do you have a scan or something? Might as well try and translate them, I'm pretty bored anyway. Also, we should probably make a page for them then, [[Runes:Kazumi Magica]] or something. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 14:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c001/4.html I see them here, but suddenly I'm not sure if they were added there by the scanlators or not.] There ''might'' be some [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c003/5.html here] as well, I'm not sure. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 15:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, the first one is obviously added by the scanlator. It reads "scanlated by /a/non for /a/non, raws from [something I couldn't read due to quality]". --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The mysterious characters on the second one don't look like any recognized runes to me. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::In case you're talking about "入口は??", that's japanese. I can't make it quite out, but it should say something like "Entrance this way". --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 16:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Oh my. I know enough Japanese to know what 入口 is, but it's such an obfuscated font I'd never tell it's kanji. Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The last scanlator runeword matches the raw provider name in the watermark in the next page, and it's mixing archaic and modern.<br />
::::: Thank you all very much, sorry for the inconvenience. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Juubey? ==<br />
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Where'd you get this from? O.o [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:[[File:Juubey.jpg|200px]]<br />
:It seems that scans leaked on 2ch. [[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 13:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Now notice the shadow next to Juubey in the first panel. Juubey may not be an Incubator after all... -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Jubey's definitely an Incubator. The girl on the second page (I forget her name) calls him/her/it "the fairy that made us into puella magi". It seems that Kyubey is present on the first page, though...--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Exactly. Kyubey is a hive mind. Why would he need to talk to himself like that? I think the fact that it's a "fairy" is going to be a major point. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 16:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::Even if there's a hive mind, that doesn't mean they can simply telepathically talk or instantly know what another Incubator is up to. Like the Human Interfaces in Haruhi.--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Volume 1 ==<br />
Dumb question: I would imagine that since it's being released the same time as ''Oriko'' it might get lost in the shuffle, but is there anyone who's planning to look through it and see if there are any differences/additions to the original serialized chapters? -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:If someone will upload the scans (raws are fine) of the tankobon somewhere (preferably as some DDL, but torrent is OK, too), then I can do that. But seeing how Kazumi is rather unpopular, I'm not so sure of the scan availability. I don't plan on buying Kazumi myself. Not in the slightest. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 20:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Yeah, that's what concerns me. I'd do it myself, if I could get the scans, but...--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::It is? Uh... it's got half a million views in MangaFox, but then again, I guess that doesn't translate in the "Madoka is sold out EVERYWHERE" thing we had with the original manga. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: It's more that I'm worried Kazumi will be ignored when Oriko comes out. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::: Well obviously. Slapping the main characters on it = automatic profit. And Kazumi was just getting intresting :/ (well, to most people. I've liked it since the start. Though it might just be because I love Kazumi and real tech mixed with magic (the GPS, Yuuri's SMGs are ''almost'' [[wikipedia:Walther MPL|Walther MPL]]'s, etc.)) --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Expansion ==<br />
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This is a question that also applies to Oriko.<br>Right now, we have a single page to cover everything in each manga release. Granted, they're nearly not the same scale as Madoka, and one of them is just a medium conversion with few changes. But still, there's more to it than just this.<br />
The most obvious example being a page for Kazumi herself, Umika and Kaoru, and another for the Pleiades Saints. And maybe then think about other stuff.<br>I volunteer to work on it, but I won't be able to until the weekend, university and fencing are keeping me locked up.<br>But that's not really my main question. That would be: should it be done? Okay, this is "Puella Magi wiki", not "Madoka wiki". But given the obviously huge focus on Madoka, and the apparent lack of interest in the spin-offs (so far), is it justifiable? <br>I certainly think so, but I want to hear from you. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I myself am not interested in the spinoffs, but definitely think that ''Kazumi'' at least should get its own set of character pages and the like. My only problem is with ''Oriko'': the current translation of the second volume's synopsis calls it the "concluding" volume, meaning that the series most likely isn't going to have enough content to justify taking up more than one page -- especially considering that any new insight into the anime characters can just be entered onto ''their'' preexisting pages. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 03:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I support Kazumi pages. Oriko at the very least should get her own page. It's approximately 8 chapters, which is relatively significant. [[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 05:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I think it's best to separate manga characterizations from the anime ones. Oriko is described as a spin-off, so events and characterizations may not be considered canon to the anime. We know even the direct adaptation manga has significant differences from the anime. For example, the manga shows Sayaka killing the men on the train whereas Shinbo in the anime chose not to go that route. Either interpretation was acceptable to Urobuchi who left the scenario open to both so neither are technically wrong but it would be confusing and a bit misleading to not clearly state what was in the anime and what was in the manga. This would also apply to the background information on Madoka's characters from Oriko. I'm all for having it included but the source should be clearly stated and preferably categorized so it avoids any confusion. As for Kazumi, as long as the pages stay under the manga section, it sounds fine, just don't want it under the characters page where people might get confused with them and the Madoka anime characters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 05:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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SUGGESTION: Since the character pages all need to be cleaned up a little big in general (speculah about characters should be moved to a new speculah page for characters, for example, and be tagged right/wrong/uncomfirmed), redundant discussions need to be trimmed, etc etc, just add a "in the manga" section to each character page that will, as necessary, detail their involvement in the mangas. Furthermore, I believe that each major manga character (so Kazumi and Oriko, at least) should get their own page on the characters page. Just add a section for manga-only characters.<br />
:The character pages do need clean-up however I don't think Kazumi or any other manga-only characters (like in Oriko) should be included with the Madoka ones. The website is dedicated to Puella Magi (or Mahou Shoujo) Madoka Magica. That means the character pages should really only be dedicated to those characters in the anime. The manga only characters belong in the manga section as something in addition that might interest people, but isn't the main focus or draw to this site. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 07:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with the sentiment, but why have a wiki for the anime and a wiki for the manga when we could have a single unified wiki that properly identifies what comes from the manga and what comes from the anime? This just seems like it'll split the fanbase between working on a manga wiki and working on an anime wiki... and guess which one will get more attention and which one will be incomplete and barely worked on if that happens? I'm not seeing the harm in adding manga material, as long as it is clearly identified and marked which is what. Not only that, but knowing that the mangas are being produced by the same company, they may reveal things that will fill in the blanks for the anime. If a decision can't be reached by single individuals, though... why not hold a poll?<br />
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::Actually, the wiki is called "puella-magi.net" (as opposed to the previous one who was madoka-centered), and the homepage states "(...) as well as any subsequent works.", so like the guy above me (who didn't sign his comment by the way), I think manga characters do have their place here. Why not just add a new row "Manga characters" in the [[Characters]]'s table? (just like Madoka's family and classmates) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Let me see if I can explain my thinking in clearer, more straight-forward fashion. The most logical way I see to fix the issues discussed is for: the manga to have its own subsection (equivalent to setting, products, media etc.) and in that section, each manga would have a separate listing under it. Then, you can break out the manga into a chapters and character page. This is a simple way to solve the issues of growth and also clearly separates what happens in the anime from what happens in the manga. You can also then provide a link from the anime characters pointing to the manga character page(s) to give additional information/discrepancies between what occurred in the anime and manga, but having separate pages makes it easy to see what characteristic was derived from which source. <br />
:::On the other hand, if you'd did it the other way people are suggesting, adding manga-only characters to the character section, it could easily become confusing to someone who is not familiar with both the anime and manga. It's also inconsistent with the format of the section under settings where location, glossary and (of course) episodes are all anime-specific. Then you may open up the can of worms where people start adding manga-only items to location, glossary, etc. If you say well why does any of this matter? It's because there are always discrepancies between "canon anime," "canon manga," and "spin-off manga," that are viewed as different level of authority by fans and it's important to them to know the distinction. Anytime those lines start getting blurred, you'll get a host of questions and arguments that could have been avoided by knowing that X came from this source and Y came from this other source, and OK the first source is canon and the second one isn't. Speaking from the painful experience of seeing this happen many times before with other franchises--well, it's always good to keep source material as clear as possible. <br />
:::One final comment: It only takes one or two dedicated fans to update the wiki on a manga volume and it seems Kazumi has those fans. I don't see why people are concerned it'll get neglected. Even if Kazumi updates are delayed because of Oriko's premiere, that would only be reflecting the fanbase interests and the wiki doing what it's suppose to: providing the info that's most interesting and timely to the fanbase. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 15:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Okay, I get your point better now, and it makes sense indeed. We just have to be careful to link the pages properly to give the "Manga" part of the wiki the attention it desserves, and to carefully state what should go where. The easiest way to do so would probably be to use a new namespace, "Manga:", for all those pages, right? <br>Also, another advantage I see in your way of separating things is that character pages (as well as others) won't grow any bigger that way. If we merge both the anime and manga info into one page, then it'd grow into a wall of text even bigger than it is now. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::In all seriousness, have you ever seen any wiki related to some fictional work to have many pages about the same character for different media he/she appears in? The only example I am aware of is Asuka from Evangelion on the [http://wiki.evageeks.org EvaGeeks wiki]. Since her name and biography is quite different in the Rebuild movies, they chose to just mention her Rebuild version briefly in the main article ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Langley_Soryu Asuka Langley Soryu]) and make a separate article for the Rebuild character ([http://wiki.evageeks.org/Asuka_Shikinami_Langley Asuka Shikinami Langley]).<br />
:::::But look at [http://wiki.evageeks.org/Shinji_Ikari the page about Shinji]. There are several paragraphs about him in the original series and The End of Eva (treated jointly), and then subsections "in the manga", "in other Eva-base manga", "in Rebuild of Eva". They have no speculah section, but a trivia section titled "Notes", so it kind of evens out ;)<br />
:::::Anyway, the Madoka manga does not really differ ''that'' much from the anime. Even though I kind of outdid myself [[Manga differences|spotting almost every single difference]], most of them are fairly insignificant in terms of character development. Knowing the exact wording of Mami's wish or not? Sayaka killing the men on the train or not? Charlotte looking different in her caterpillar form? Kyubey having facial expression or not? Do they really justify making separate pages for anime and manga versions of every single character? I don't think so.<br />
:::::The only appearance of Madoka character in Kazumi is Kyubey's cameo and Madoka's silhouette as an illustration of a Puella Magi, which are totally insignificant for anything other than noting it. I don't think we'll ever see other anime characters in Kazumi, since it takes place in a different city. And Kazumi isn't in conflict with anime canon in terms of "the laws of the universe".<br />
:::::Oriko will be a different beast, because many of Madoka's main characters are also Oriko's main characters. But even if it will be in direct conflict with the anime canon, I vote for just having an "In other media" section, and then subsections "In ''Madoka'' manga", "In ''Oriko'' manga" etc. We don't have two separate Madokas (or Mamis, Homuras, Kyoukos, Kyubeys), it's the same character. And having many timelines doesn't change it (can you seriously imagine having separate page for eg. Keiichi from Higurashi for every arc?). --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::So in the end it all comes down to how much difference there is between sources. If existing characters start changing a lot in one of the series, then they may need a separate page, but not if it's just minor changes/no changes at all, where a single section would be enough ... (note that there isn't much difference between both solution if the pages are linked proprely)<br>Anyway, I have to admit I don't follow any of the manga series, so I'll leave the debate to you guys. Just one last suggestion: why don't we do as usual, i.e. solving problems when they're here? We could just add stuff to the existing pages for now, and start thinking of another organization if it gets too messy in the future right? None of the pages look like they'd need a refactoring in the near future to me, and we still barely know anything about Kazumi/Oriko Magica so it's a bit hard to anticipate at this rate ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:36, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Yeah, sorry, I saw this discussion as a future direction, e.g. after Oriko and Kazumi's new volumes are out. Right now even the manga pages aren't even half as long as say, Homura's character page. So they're fine as one-pagers at the moment.<br />
::::::Hm, I think you're misunderstanding in thinking there'd be a "Manga Homura" page versus "Anime Homura" page. What I'm proposing is a "Manga Character page" for each manga so for instance, Kazumi would have a page listing all its characters. Madoka and Oriko's manga would provide for anime characters: a blurb description, a link to the anime-specific characters page, then list things unique to that manga. Then for Oriko it would list all the manga-specific characters like the three new girls, witches, etc. This to me is far clearer and easier for users than adding all the manga-only characters in Oriko and Kazumi to the already long list of characters, and then add more sections to the already lengthy anime character pages. I hear you about the wikis with the Eva examples and that makes sense when you normally have brief, general summaries that you can put together where there's consensus, and easily see where there's major differences from different sources. I personally prefer that format for character pages and I'd be for it if things were rolled up in summary format. But I see Madoka's wiki is different with very detailed levels of information for well, everything (like the summary paragraphs of all the manga vs. anime differences...that's not something you normally see on a wiki), and people seemed inclined in only adding and not trimming things back. When things are that detailed, it makes sense to separate out pages to reduce length and confusion. Madoka's manga doesn't have much but if people show as much interest in detailing things for Oriko, those character pages can really get out-of-hand. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::OK, I think I see your point now, and it seems we don't really differ much, if at all ;) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::::<s>Full-blown discussion engaged. Just as keikaku.</s><br>Don't mind me addressing initial ponderings, I was away all day. First, of course a proper separation is needed. I never in any way doubted that. The issue was "how", not "if", and you handled better than I would have. So, two main lines of thought, so far: a strong separation between anime and manga stuff, or a higher level of interaction, while asserting their differences. I must go with the last one. Character pages for ''at least'' the major manga characters (well... it's not like Madoka follows that rule), "In other media" sections for anime ones, and a "manga characters" section at the Characters page.<br>But I do absolutely agree that the differences in canon must be properly stated. Maybe some sort of header on both saying: <br><br>(NOTE: It is unclear how canonical the events of the manga editions are towards the anime. Use caution.)<br><br>Or something of the kind (shorter, of course). <br>As for things getting out of hand... that's what were here for, no? Although I do not believe things will go down that road. If they didn't with the anime (or rather: they did, but we rode through the storm), I find it hard to believe it will happen with Oriko, no matter the popularity. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 23:02, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Here's a suggestion. Stop me if I'm wrong. Character pages, IMO, should be divided like this: <br />
*Brief Summary, First Appearance <br />
*Personality (Brief Overview) <br />
*History (backstory+role in the anime; this section would clearly point out that a character is NOT from the anime in the case of manga characters) <br />
*In the Manga (information may not be canon; use section to give an overview of what they do in each manga series, if applicable; for example, this would be a good place to note things like 'in the manga, <so and so forth>'s weapon is slightly different' or 'in the manga, <so and so forth> actually kills <unimportant characters on a train>')<br />
*Powers, Weapons & Abilities <br />
*Trivia <br />
*Gallery<br />
*Link to Speculah Page<br />
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As it is right now, I won't lie, character pages look like shit. They're full of weird speculah, people have a tendency to use the various fields as mini-forums for discussion (instead of the talk pages), the official info sections are basically heaps of stuff, and the pages are NOT easy to read. Compare this to any other established wiki with dedicated character pages and... yeah, this is definitely a weird way to do it. More to the point: people need to stop using the character pages as discussion forums. They need to use the talk pages for that. If I'm wrong, then I guess it's no use hanging around and offering contributions now and again; I must have some odd, incompatible way of thinking for the people on this wiki.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kazumi_Magica&diff=12137Talk:Kazumi Magica2011-05-05T08:07:50Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Expansion */</p>
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<div>Is it "Niko" or "Nico"? The scanlations use the latter. -[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Wait. Independent chapters? ==<br />
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I'm seeing Chapters One through Three of Kazumi on Mangafox. Yet the first volume is only coming out in May 12th?<br />
I am kinda nob when it comes to manga... so, does "serialization" means that these chapters are coming out in Kirara Forward each month, before they're packed together and released as a volume? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes. Most manga series are published chapter-by-chapter each week or month in a magazine, with volumes being released whenever a set number of chapters is reached. [[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.100|64.89.144.100]] 20:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::In that case, should we add each chapter's release date? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I believe a release date along with a summary of the chapters would be in order, with proper spoiler tags of course.<br />
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== Runes? ==<br />
I think there is some runic text in Kazumi chapter 1. Anyone have a translation? - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Do you have a scan or something? Might as well try and translate them, I'm pretty bored anyway. Also, we should probably make a page for them then, [[Runes:Kazumi Magica]] or something. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 14:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c001/4.html I see them here, but suddenly I'm not sure if they were added there by the scanlators or not.] There ''might'' be some [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c003/5.html here] as well, I'm not sure. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 15:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, the first one is obviously added by the scanlator. It reads "scanlated by /a/non for /a/non, raws from [something I couldn't read due to quality]". --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The mysterious characters on the second one don't look like any recognized runes to me. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::In case you're talking about "入口は??", that's japanese. I can't make it quite out, but it should say something like "Entrance this way". --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 16:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Oh my. I know enough Japanese to know what 入口 is, but it's such an obfuscated font I'd never tell it's kanji. Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The last scanlator runeword matches the raw provider name in the watermark in the next page, and it's mixing archaic and modern.<br />
::::: Thank you all very much, sorry for the inconvenience. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Juubey? ==<br />
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Where'd you get this from? O.o [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:[[File:Juubey.jpg|200px]]<br />
:It seems that scans leaked on 2ch. [[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 13:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Now notice the shadow next to Juubey in the first panel. Juubey may not be an Incubator after all... -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Jubey's definitely an Incubator. The girl on the second page (I forget her name) calls him/her/it "the fairy that made us into puella magi". It seems that Kyubey is present on the first page, though...--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Exactly. Kyubey is a hive mind. Why would he need to talk to himself like that? I think the fact that it's a "fairy" is going to be a major point. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 16:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::Even if there's a hive mind, that doesn't mean they can simply telepathically talk or instantly know what another Incubator is up to. Like the Human Interfaces in Haruhi.--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Volume 1 ==<br />
Dumb question: I would imagine that since it's being released the same time as ''Oriko'' it might get lost in the shuffle, but is there anyone who's planning to look through it and see if there are any differences/additions to the original serialized chapters? -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:If someone will upload the scans (raws are fine) of the tankobon somewhere (preferably as some DDL, but torrent is OK, too), then I can do that. But seeing how Kazumi is rather unpopular, I'm not so sure of the scan availability. I don't plan on buying Kazumi myself. Not in the slightest. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 20:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Yeah, that's what concerns me. I'd do it myself, if I could get the scans, but...--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::It is? Uh... it's got half a million views in MangaFox, but then again, I guess that doesn't translate in the "Madoka is sold out EVERYWHERE" thing we had with the original manga. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: It's more that I'm worried Kazumi will be ignored when Oriko comes out. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::: Well obviously. Slapping the main characters on it = automatic profit. And Kazumi was just getting intresting :/ (well, to most people. I've liked it since the start. Though it might just be because I love Kazumi and real tech mixed with magic (the GPS, Yuuri's SMGs are ''almost'' [[wikipedia:Walther MPL|Walther MPL]]'s, etc.)) --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Expansion ==<br />
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This is a question that also applies to Oriko.<br>Right now, we have a single page to cover everything in each manga release. Granted, they're nearly not the same scale as Madoka, and one of them is just a medium conversion with few changes. But still, there's more to it than just this.<br />
The most obvious example being a page for Kazumi herself, Umika and Kaoru, and another for the Pleiades Saints. And maybe then think about other stuff.<br>I volunteer to work on it, but I won't be able to until the weekend, university and fencing are keeping me locked up.<br>But that's not really my main question. That would be: should it be done? Okay, this is "Puella Magi wiki", not "Madoka wiki". But given the obviously huge focus on Madoka, and the apparent lack of interest in the spin-offs (so far), is it justifiable? <br>I certainly think so, but I want to hear from you. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I myself am not interested in the spinoffs, but definitely think that ''Kazumi'' at least should get its own set of character pages and the like. My only problem is with ''Oriko'': the current translation of the second volume's synopsis calls it the "concluding" volume, meaning that the series most likely isn't going to have enough content to justify taking up more than one page -- especially considering that any new insight into the anime characters can just be entered onto ''their'' preexisting pages. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 03:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I support Kazumi pages. Oriko at the very least should get her own page. It's approximately 8 chapters, which is relatively significant. [[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 05:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I think it's best to separate manga characterizations from the anime ones. Oriko is described as a spin-off, so events and characterizations may not be considered canon to the anime. We know even the direct adaptation manga has significant differences from the anime. For example, the manga shows Sayaka killing the men on the train whereas Shinbo in the anime chose not to go that route. Either interpretation was acceptable to Urobuchi who left the scenario open to both so neither are technically wrong but it would be confusing and a bit misleading to not clearly state what was in the anime and what was in the manga. This would also apply to the background information on Madoka's characters from Oriko. I'm all for having it included but the source should be clearly stated and preferably categorized so it avoids any confusion. As for Kazumi, as long as the pages stay under the manga section, it sounds fine, just don't want it under the characters page where people might get confused with them and the Madoka anime characters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 05:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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SUGGESTION: Since the character pages all need to be cleaned up a little big in general (speculah about characters should be moved to a new speculah page for characters, for example, and be tagged right/wrong/uncomfirmed), redundant discussions need to be trimmed, etc etc, just add a "in the manga" section to each character page that will, as necessary, detail their involvement in the mangas. Furthermore, I believe that each major manga character (so Kazumi and Oriko, at least) should get their own page on the characters page. Just add a section for manga-only characters.<br />
:The character pages do need clean-up however I don't think Kazumi or any other manga-only characters (like in Oriko) should be included with the Madoka ones. The website is dedicated to Puella Magi (or Mahou Shoujo) Madoka Magica. That means the character pages should really only be dedicated to those characters in the anime. The manga only characters belong in the manga section as something in addition that might interest people, but isn't the main focus or draw to this site. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 07:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with the sentiment, but why have a wiki for the anime and a wiki for the manga when we could have a single unified wiki that properly identifies what comes from the manga and what comes from the anime? This just seems like it'll split the fanbase between working on a manga wiki and working on an anime wiki... and guess which one will get more attention and which one will be incomplete and barely worked on if that happens? I'm not seeing the harm in adding manga material, as long as it is clearly identified and marked which is what. Not only that, but knowing that the mangas are being produced by the same company, they may reveal things that will fill in the blanks for the anime. If a decision can't be reached by single individuals, though... why not hold a poll?</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homura_Akemi&diff=12130Talk:Homura Akemi2011-05-05T06:52:33Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>I strongly suggest that we move all speculations from this page to a speculation page dedicated to Homura (and possibly the other four main characters). This could be a good occasion to clean up all the stuff that was proven wrong.<br />
:I concur. -[[User:Becquerel|Becquerel]] 04:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I agree too, if by "clean up" you mean "tag properly", like the wishes thing. No content should be removed IMO, just for "historical accurracy" --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 07:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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abour her strong power in the new timeline: maybe because she suffered much in all the previous timelines she got a boost-up just like madoka<br />
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I removed stuff that didn't belong on this page (there was speculah about Walpurgis Night's familiars, for example, which is already present on WPN's various pages and doesn't need to be here) as well as the needless arguments on theories that have been debunked. If I knew how to make new pages -and- make said new pages look pretty and formatted, I'd move the whole speculah section to a new page, but my mad skillz at wiki pages go as far as "I can edit text".</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Homura_Akemi&diff=12129Homura Akemi2011-05-05T06:48:15Z<p>70.81.159.144: Tagged theories as wrong or right, and removed non-speculah discussion.</p>
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{{Infobox_character<br />
|name=Homura Akemi<br />
|image=[[File:Homura Chara Sheet.jpg|300px]]<br />
|jname=暁美 ほむら (Akemi Homura) <br />
|seiyuu=[http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=305 Chiwa Saitou]<br />
|age=13-14 (estimated)<br />
|weapon=Shield (storage and timejump device), various mundane weapons like grenades, pipe bombs, pistols, machine guns, bow ({{spoiler|since Episode 12}})<br />
}}<br />
Homura is first seen by Madoka in a dream of her fighting a monster in a desolate landscape of skyscrapers. The day after the dream, Homura has transferred to Madoka's school where she gives her ominous warnings.<br />
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==Official Info==<br />
A smart, graceful, athletically-talented girl. Cool if not chilly, her personality even can even be seen in her posture. Her primary ability is to stop time, all her other abilities and attacks seem to come from non-magical items, [[Weapons|such as firearms and bombs]]. Her time manipulation device can also allow her to travel back in time, act as a shield, and seems to act as a limitless storage facility.<br />
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She seems to be a magical girl, but there are a lot of mysteries surrounding the way she acts. Her fighting style is also unidentified.<br />
* Ms. Aoki’s Design Check: A blunt girl. I tried to let this shine through in her design. Her distinguishing point is her silky long hair.<br />
* Magical girl outfit: Homura was designed with her personality and combat style in mind. I found her fascinating right away. (Aoki)<br />
* The sharp lines of her upper back and jacket evoke her personality. Overall rather monochromatic. Her black tights have a diamond pattern.<br />
* School uniform: She wears black tights in uniform too, leaving her overall feel just like in her magical girl outfit. She gives off the air of a silent beauty.<br />
* Regardless of her reasons, Homura'a priority is preventing Madoka from becoming a Mahou Shoujo. Since that is not understandable by other Mahou Shoujos or Madoka, she decided to act alone.<br />
* Homura is a magical girl from another timeline, as revealed by Kyubey. She knows that Kyubey is behind a sinister plot, and it mostly involves Madoka turning into a magical girl.<br />
* Homura's special ability is revealed to be some kind of time-travel, which explains why she knows so much to the point of knowing exactly when and where certain things will happen. This also may be why she can move at blistering speed.<br />
* Her [[Homura_Residence|house]] has a wall display of documents relating to witches.<br />
* In episode 9, it was revealed that Homura can stop time. However, anyone she touches while the ability is under effect will not be stopped.<br />
**According to Official Scans, as translated by '''symbv''' (exact source unknown), here is what '''Gen Urobuchi said on more of Homura's power''': "The weapon that looks like Homura's shield is actually a sand timer. When the flow of the sand is blocked, time is stopped. And when there is no sand on the upper part of the sand timer and then the timer is reverted, one month's worth of time is turned back. But before that stage is reached, only time stopping is possible. This means the special power of Homura is the ability to manipulate one month's time's worth of sand in the sand timer. As for the time passed and then turned back, since it was not the focus in this work I did not think it through very thoroughly. I think you can say that the world split up and became parallel worlds there."<br />
* Homura's backstory was revealed in episode 10. She was a transfer student who was recovering from heart disease. Probably due to her lack of confidence, she was targeted by familiars. However, Madoka (who was a Puella Magi at this time) and Mami save her. During Walpurgis Night, Madoka and Mami die. Homura then makes the wish to re-do her meeting with Madoka to prevent her fate.<br />
* Along with stopping time, Homura can also reverse time to before her meeting with Madoka.<br />
* Homura, while initially ditzy and insecure, has become very independent and strong during her time traveling. Her cold nature is from her determination to save Madoka after having failed in her mission to prevent Madoka from becoming a magical girl several times. <br />
* A previous Madoka was the one to task Homura to prevent Madoka from becoming a Puella Magi.<br />
* In the current timeline, Homura fails to stop Walpurgis Night. However, since Homura somewhat confessed to Madoka to the time traveling, Madoka creates a new wish to make sure that Homura's efforts weren't in vain.<br />
* Homura is the only one that remembers Madoka in the newest timeline. Also, she gains a bow and magical wings. Whether her time-stopping ability remains is unknown.<br />
* In the ending, Homura faces off with many demons in a desert. However, her wings become distorted like the barriers of witches. What happens to her is unknown.<br />
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==Observations==<br />
*She wants to stop [[Madoka Kaname|Madoka]] from making a contract with [[Kyubey]]<br />
*She has much knowledge about [[Mitakihara Middle School]].<br />
*Is visibly upset when Madoka uses her last name or honorifics instead of the more intimate "Homura".<br />
*She was openly pursuing [[Kyubey]] until Kyubey made contact with Madoka.<br />
*She appears obsessed with Madoka's happiness and/or survival. <br />
*As of [[Episode 10]], it is shown that Homura used to be a very shy and clumsy girl before she became a Puella Magi. Homura met Madoka and Mami when they were saving Homura from a witch, thus the three became friends. At the very end of that timeline, Madoka is killed and Homura asks Kyubey to turn her into a Puella Magi with her wish being "to meet Madoka again, but this time as the one protecting her, not as the one being protected".<br />
*She appears to live by herself; her [[Homura Residence|residence]] only has her name on the nameplate, much like [[Mami]]'s. In episode 10, when she wakes up in the hospital, no-one is there with her, and she seems to have been filling out the school transfer forms on her own.<br />
*She seem to have met [[Kyubey]] before, as she refers to him as "Incubator" in [[Episode 8]] shortly after he was shot down by her. She also reveals to "know his true motives".<br />
*Her cold attitude was formed through re-living the same timeline multiple times, with the ending always being that Madoka either turned into a witch or died. When that happens, Homura turns back time to the first day of her arrival again.<br />
* When [[Mami]] asks Homura if she has any other power besides bending time in [[Episode 10]], Homura steals guns, swords etc. from a locker. She hides these weapons inside her shield.<br />
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==Speculations==<br />
[[File:Homura_Move2.jpg|right|thumb|Homura is able to move extremely fast in comparison with water drops.]]<br />
[[File:Homuragrenade.jpg|right|thumb|Homura's grenade in Episode 8 looks like an M61 grenade, used during the Vietnam War.]]<br />
[[File:Homugun.jpg|right|thumb|Homura's pistol in Episode 8 looks like an M9.]]<br />
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*Homura's wish was to protect Madoka, and since wishes always come true, it should make her immune from death and becoming a witch before saving Madoka. This makes her doomed to be locked in this cycle. In one timeline she was almost successful, but Madoka sacrificed herself for the sake of Homura and caused another restart. (THEORY PROVEN WRONG: Homura controls when and if she rewinds time, so long as one month as passed since the last reset.)<br />
*In the first two episodes, Homura appeared to be the antagonist. It was later explained that she only wanted to prevent Madoka becoming a magical girl. She saved Madoka and Sayaka multiple times and may become an ally and/or mentor of Madoka in the future. (THEORY PROVEN RIGHT.)<br />
*She might also wish to prevent Madoka becoming a magical girl because of the risk that she could turn into an overwhelmingly powerful witch. (THEORY PROVEN RIGHT.)<br />
*In [[Episode 5]], Homura saves Sayaka from Kyouko by suddenly manifesting as Kyouko's attack is about to land, somehow moving Sayaka out of the path of the attack. The ability seems to involve massive acceleration rather than teleportation(this because of her power being to turn back/stop time and thus being able to move quickly from one point to another by stopping time temporarily), as she is able to act in a [[:File:Homura_Move1.jpg|split second]]. As there are hints that a Puella Magi's powers may relate to her wish (e.g. Sayaka's regeneration), this may be a clue as to Homura's true motives. As of [[Episode 8]] it has been confirmed that Homura's ability has something to do with time. (THEORY PROVEN RIGHT: power is stopping time and wish is time-related.)<br />
*Per the image in the gallery below, the pipe layout on the corridor wall is completely different after Homura uses her 'teleportation' ability. Assuming this is not a production error, it has been suggested that the ability actually involves magically reconstituting the entire corridor while moving the people in it around. For more information, please refer to the entry on this phenomenon in the [[Speculah:Magical_Powers#Spatial_Reconstruction_.28unconfirmed.29|Magical Powers speculah]]. (THEORY PROVEN WRONG: power has nothing to do with that, that's a production error.)<br />
*Homura may be a homunculus created by Madoka.<ref>See [http://gall.dcinside.com/anigallers/259050 DCinside] and [http://www.angelhalowiki.com/r1/wiki.php/%EB%A7%88%EB%B2%95%EC%86%8C%EB%85%80%20%EB%A7%88%EB%8F%84%EC%B9%B4%E2%98%86%EB%A7%88%EA%B8%B0%EC%B9%B4/%EB%96%A1%EB%B0%A5%EB%AA%A8%EC%9D%8C#s-7.4 Angelhalo Wiki](Documents are in Korean)</ref> (THEORY PROVEN WRONG.)<br />
*Homura might be in possession of the soul gems of magical girls from an alternate timeline, such as the alternate Madoka's. See also [[Speculah:Homura Identity Swap Theory]] (though note the identity swap theory has been debunked). (THEORY PROVEN WRONG: Soul Gems disappear when their owner dies or become Grief Seeds.)<br />
*One of the speculations as for why Homura does not tell Madoka upfront of the consequences of becoming a magical girl, is because Madoka might just become one in order to save Homura or Mami. This could also be the reason why she's trying to keep a distance between her and Madoka. (THEORY PROVEN WRONG: she was doing it to stop Madoka per her promise.)<br />
*Homura may actually be Faust, as Faust in the play tries all his might to save Gretchen (Madoka) from dying but in the end she perishes anyways as Mephistopheles (QB) tries to tempt her to form a contract with him.<br />
** There's also the fact that in the Goethe version, Faust would only lose his soul if he ever had a moment of perfect happiness that made him wish he could stop time at that moment forever. Homura's power, of course, is to stop time. As such, it's entirely possible that the Homura and Faust parallels will be taken to its logical conclusion: She will have a moment of perfect happiness, she will stop time at that moment, and then she will die or become a witch. However, it should be mentioned that Faust manages to escape Mephistopheles and enter heaven because he found his moment of happiness in helping others, and not in anything Mephistopheles gave him. On the other hand, there is a [[Kriemhild Gretchen|witch that tries to create heaven on Earth.]]<br />
*Homura may be Walpurgis Night. As Homura's powers involved time manipulation it could very well be that we are seeing a witch version of Homura warped back into the past ironically becoming the very event that has shaped her reason for making a contract. Walpurgis Night has been depicted with clock-like gears underneath her dress. Episode 11 also depicts Walpurgis Night having a primary color of purple, which is also Homura's color. While the end of the series shows Homura losing her shield, after the credits we are shown Homura during an unknown time period, though having Madoka's ribbons, battling. Before Homura starts the fight, she hears Madoka offer words of encouragement as Homura gives up a final smile, which may signal Homura being consumed with despair. The final shot shows the main heroines, overlapped with multiple silhouettes of the heroines, which could allude to the familiars summoned by Walpurgis Night in episode 11, before showing Homura's soul gem. (THEORY PROVEN WRONG: Homura is not Walpurgis Night.)<br />
* Homura shows some very different powers in episode 12. While this may be a by-product of the new world, it is also possible she always had these powers and simply did not use them in favor of her less magic-consuming time-stopping.<br />
** Given the fact that she no longer has her shield on her wrist, it is most likely that her powers have changed altogether.<br />
*** Her shield was shown to be completely out of sand during the fight with Walpurgis Night. As we know, the only way for her to get more sand again is to reset the timeline (flip the hourglass). Since the timeline wasn't actually reset by her, even in new timeline, her shield would still be completely out of sand, and therefore, useless as anything but a hunk of steel on her arm. It makes sense she wouldn't use it anymore, then.<br />
**** Considering her wish was to protect Madoka, one could believe her shield shows her resolve to protect. Its turning to sand in the Walpurgis Night fight represents her inability (and indeed, her failure) to protect Madoka. When she flips the hourglass, gaining more sand represents the fact she can protect Madoka again. Her not having it in the new timeline shows that she doesn't need to protect anyone anymore.<br />
*** As for the source of her new powers, speculations abound; lead amongst them is that she got Madoka's bow from her at the same time that Madoka fixed her Soul Gem and gave her her ribbon. Another theory is that since her wish was to "protect Madoka," and Madoka is now a concept rather than a person, her powers were altered into something similar to what Madoka uses. Yet another theory is that with the universe restarted, Homura made a different wish, and so got different powers. Yet another theory is that Homura was always able to produce a bow; after all, her original concept artwork depicted her with that weapon. She just hadn't figured out how, or alternatively, just hadn't bothered, since stopping time is more efficient.<br />
**** My (slightly poorly-founded) theory is that her wish was to know what Madoka was (which explains why she can suddenly tell Kyubey everything) - if that's true, her having a bow represents her bond with the concept of Madoka. Kind of similar to your point.<br />
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==Trivia==<br />
[[File:Homerun The Movie.jpg|thumb|right|200px|And so a legend was born]]<br />
*Homura is frequently referred to as "Homerun-chan" amongst Western fans, due to the similarity of the two names in Japanese, however she is frequently referred as "Homuhomu" (ほむほむ) within Japanese community. Homuhomu likely originated from the [[Runes:Episode_3|runes in Episode 3]], one of which translates to "Homuhomu".<br />
** "Homuhomu" can be used as a verb as "do Homuhomu" (ほむほむする) which means to caress, console or take care of. The action of "do Homuhomu" is not defined exactly.<br />
*The first character for Akemi (暁) means "daybreak", while the second one (美) means beauty which is a famous letter in girl's name.<br />
*When her full name is written vertically in hiragana (あけみほむら) and with left half covered in certain angle, it could be read as カナメまどか which is Kaname written in katakana and Madoka written in hiragana. <br />
*Her last name can also be used as a first name.<br />
*Her first name is written in hiragana, which has no special meaning. However, when written in kanji, it can mean:<br />
**inflammation, blaze (炎 or 焔)<br />
**heart on fire (心火)<br />
**mass of flame (炎叢)<br />
**village protector (保村)<br /><br />
*Some folks in 2ch nicknamed [[Homura Residence|Homura's Residence]] "Homuhōmu," (ほむホーム) since Homu is a nickname for Homura, and Hōmu is "home" rendered in the Japanese syllabary. It should be noted that "homu" is more often used for dog houses and similar structures, with the English word "home" expressed using "uchi" (うち, which refers to one's own house or household), "ie" (いえ, which can refer to a physical house or a family lineage), or the honorific "otaku" (お宅, which refers to someone else's house or household).<br />
*The Homura of previous timelines is, due to her personality and actions, often referred to as "Moemura" amongst Western fans.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
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File:Homura Akemi Anime Design.jpg<br />
File:Homura Akemi Original Design.jpg|Original character design by Aoki Ume<br />
File:Why_Homerun-chan.jpg|How Homura became Homerun-chan<br />
File:Homerun-chan2.png|2ch's reaction<br />
File:Ep5 runes mura.png|Homura's ring and fingernail<br />
File:1296786066859 2.jpg|Spatial Reconstitution Theory (空間再構成)<br />
File:Homura-magazine.jpg|The cover of Megami magazine featuring Homura with a black cat.<br />
File:Hunter-x-hunter-1641920 2.jpg|Comparison of unnamed Nen ability in Hunter x Hunter and Homura's 'teleportation.' <br />
File:Madoka 10 02.jpg|Homura in Episode 10 from Timeline 1<br />
File:Homura weapons.jpg|Homura's arsenal of weapons: Home made bombs, hand grenades (M61), Flash Bombs, M9/Beretta M92F, Desert Eagle, Remington 870 (though the picture denotes it as a Benelli M1), FN Minimi M249, and lots of ammo<br />
File:Homura soul gem.png|Homura's Soul Gem<br />
File:145.jpg|A manga illustration of Homura with her shield<br />
File:Homura-scan.jpg|<br />
File:Official homumado art 2.jpg|Official Homura and Madoka art<br />
File:(Hayashi Ichirou) Mutual confession.gif|A heavy reinterpretation and editing of Episode 10 observed through the eyes of Homura<br />
File:Bazooka homura.jpg|Magical weapons are for little girls<br />
File:Homura crazy.jpg|An accurate depiction of Homura's obsession with Madoka<br />
File:Homura witch pantsu.jpg|<br />
File:Ume aoki dojinshi homura.jpg|[[Ume Aoki]]'s Dojinshi "RKGKMDK"<br />
File:Apricot +8.jpg|QB: Have you decided on your wish? M: Yep! H: Madokaaaaa! Noooo! M: Make Homura's boobs as big as Mami's! They're really not even in the same league... It's too cruel! H: Madoka....<br />
File:Ume sensei doujin kyosaya 1.jpg<br />
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==References==<br />
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==External links==<br />
*{{pixiv_tag|暁美ほむら}}<br />
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<div>Is it "Niko" or "Nico"? The scanlations use the latter. -[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Wait. Independent chapters? ==<br />
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I'm seeing Chapters One through Three of Kazumi on Mangafox. Yet the first volume is only coming out in May 12th?<br />
I am kinda nob when it comes to manga... so, does "serialization" means that these chapters are coming out in Kirara Forward each month, before they're packed together and released as a volume? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Yes. Most manga series are published chapter-by-chapter each week or month in a magazine, with volumes being released whenever a set number of chapters is reached. [[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.100|64.89.144.100]] 20:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::In that case, should we add each chapter's release date? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:04, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::I believe a release date along with a summary of the chapters would be in order, with proper spoiler tags of course.<br />
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== Runes? ==<br />
I think there is some runic text in Kazumi chapter 1. Anyone have a translation? - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 13:23, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Do you have a scan or something? Might as well try and translate them, I'm pretty bored anyway. Also, we should probably make a page for them then, [[Runes:Kazumi Magica]] or something. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 14:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c001/4.html I see them here, but suddenly I'm not sure if they were added there by the scanlators or not.] There ''might'' be some [http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahoushoujo_kazumi_magica_the_innocent_malice/v01/c003/5.html here] as well, I'm not sure. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 15:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, the first one is obviously added by the scanlator. It reads "scanlated by /a/non for /a/non, raws from [something I couldn't read due to quality]". --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 15:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The mysterious characters on the second one don't look like any recognized runes to me. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:51, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::In case you're talking about "入口は??", that's japanese. I can't make it quite out, but it should say something like "Entrance this way". --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 16:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Oh my. I know enough Japanese to know what 入口 is, but it's such an obfuscated font I'd never tell it's kanji. Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 18:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The last scanlator runeword matches the raw provider name in the watermark in the next page, and it's mixing archaic and modern.<br />
::::: Thank you all very much, sorry for the inconvenience. - [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:44, 12 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Juubey? ==<br />
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Where'd you get this from? O.o [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 13:37, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:[[File:Juubey.jpg|200px]]<br />
:It seems that scans leaked on 2ch. [[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 13:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Now notice the shadow next to Juubey in the first panel. Juubey may not be an Incubator after all... -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 14:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Jubey's definitely an Incubator. The girl on the second page (I forget her name) calls him/her/it "the fairy that made us into puella magi". It seems that Kyubey is present on the first page, though...--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Exactly. Kyubey is a hive mind. Why would he need to talk to himself like that? I think the fact that it's a "fairy" is going to be a major point. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 16:34, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::Even if there's a hive mind, that doesn't mean they can simply telepathically talk or instantly know what another Incubator is up to. Like the Human Interfaces in Haruhi.--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 16:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Volume 1 ==<br />
Dumb question: I would imagine that since it's being released the same time as ''Oriko'' it might get lost in the shuffle, but is there anyone who's planning to look through it and see if there are any differences/additions to the original serialized chapters? -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 20:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:If someone will upload the scans (raws are fine) of the tankobon somewhere (preferably as some DDL, but torrent is OK, too), then I can do that. But seeing how Kazumi is rather unpopular, I'm not so sure of the scan availability. I don't plan on buying Kazumi myself. Not in the slightest. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 20:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Yeah, that's what concerns me. I'd do it myself, if I could get the scans, but...--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 21:33, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::It is? Uh... it's got half a million views in MangaFox, but then again, I guess that doesn't translate in the "Madoka is sold out EVERYWHERE" thing we had with the original manga. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::: It's more that I'm worried Kazumi will be ignored when Oriko comes out. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 22:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::: Well obviously. Slapping the main characters on it = automatic profit. And Kazumi was just getting intresting :/ (well, to most people. I've liked it since the start. Though it might just be because I love Kazumi and real tech mixed with magic (the GPS, Yuuri's SMGs are ''almost'' [[wikipedia:Walther MPL|Walther MPL]]'s, etc.)) --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Expansion ==<br />
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This is a question that also applies to Oriko.<br>Right now, we have a single page to cover everything in each manga release. Granted, they're nearly not the same scale as Madoka, and one of them is just a medium conversion with few changes. But still, there's more to it than just this.<br />
The most obvious example being a page for Kazumi herself, Umika and Kaoru, and another for the Pleiades Saints. And maybe then think about other stuff.<br>I volunteer to work on it, but I won't be able to until the weekend, university and fencing are keeping me locked up.<br>But that's not really my main question. That would be: should it be done? Okay, this is "Puella Magi wiki", not "Madoka wiki". But given the obviously huge focus on Madoka, and the apparent lack of interest in the spin-offs (so far), is it justifiable? <br>I certainly think so, but I want to hear from you. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:13, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I myself am not interested in the spinoffs, but definitely think that ''Kazumi'' at least should get its own set of character pages and the like. My only problem is with ''Oriko'': the current translation of the second volume's synopsis calls it the "concluding" volume, meaning that the series most likely isn't going to have enough content to justify taking up more than one page -- especially considering that any new insight into the anime characters can just be entered onto ''their'' preexisting pages. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 03:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I support Kazumi pages. Oriko at the very least should get her own page. It's approximately 8 chapters, which is relatively significant. [[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 05:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I think it's best to separate manga characterizations from the anime ones. Oriko is described as a spin-off, so events and characterizations may not be considered canon to the anime. We know even the direct adaptation manga has significant differences from the anime. For example, the manga shows Sayaka killing the men on the train whereas Shinbo in the anime chose not to go that route. Either interpretation was acceptable to Urobuchi who left the scenario open to both so neither are technically wrong but it would be confusing and a bit misleading to not clearly state what was in the anime and what was in the manga. This would also apply to the background information on Madoka's characters from Oriko. I'm all for having it included but the source should be clearly stated and preferably categorized so it avoids any confusion. As for Kazumi, as long as the pages stay under the manga section, it sounds fine, just don't want it under the characters page where people might get confused with them and the Madoka anime characters. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 05:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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SUGGESTION: Since the character pages all need to be cleaned up a little big in general (speculah about characters should be moved to a new speculah page for characters, for example, and be tagged right/wrong/uncomfirmed), redundant discussions need to be trimmed, etc etc, just add a "in the manga" section to each character page that will, as necessary, detail their involvement in the mangas. Furthermore, I believe that each major manga character (so Kazumi and Oriko, at least) should get their own page on the characters page. Just add a section for manga-only characters.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Mami_Tomoe&diff=12037Mami Tomoe2011-05-04T20:48:51Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>{{Infobox_character<br />
|name=Mami Tomoe<br />
|image=[[File:Mami Chara Sheet.jpg|300px]]<br />
|jname=巴 マミ (Tomoe Mami) <br />
|seiyuu=[http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=591 Kaori Mizuhashi]<br />
|age=14-15 (estimated)<br />
|weapon=Rifled Matchlock Muskets <br />
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Mami Tomoe is a magical girl who appears to [[Madoka]] and [[Sayaka]] as they are attacked by a [[Witch]] in [[episode 1]]. She is already contracted to [[Kyubey]] and offers to act as a mentor to the pair if they so chose to become [[magical girl]]s themselves. She seemingly dies a gruesome death in the battle against the witch [[Charlotte]] in [[episode 3]].<br />
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==Official Info==<br />
A ninth-grader who attends Madoka’s school. A kind senior to Madoka, she’s the helpful, sisterly type. However, the gun she wields contrasts with that image.<br />
* [[Ume Aoki|Ms. Aoki]]’s Design Check: Her twisty, curly hair and floral hairpin make her seem like a big sister. Also, I gave her pretty [[Mami's mammies|big boobs]]. {tl note: Never change, Ume-tentei.}<br />
* Magical girl outfit: Mami’s design was definiely centered around her image as a gunner. The second thing that stands out are her breasts. (Aoki)<br />
* Her bustier and boots give her a Western flavor which her cap accentuates.<br />
* School uniform: Her style stands out even in uniform. Just as Ms. Aoki says, her breasts are the largest of the four. She wears pure white tights. (However, in the final design, she's seen wearing dark color tights.)<br />
* As revealed in episode 10, Mami has had multiple demises. Her first demise was when fighting Walpurgis Night. In a later timeline, Madoka kills a Mami who has fallen into insanity and despair in order to protect [[Homura]].<br />
* She was brought back to life due to Madoka's wish at the end of Episode 12. She now fights Demons with Kyoko and Homura.<br />
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==Fun Facts==<br />
*The character for her last name (巴) literally means "comma design," a Japanese swirl pattern. More info [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoe here].<br />
*Her last name can also be used as a first name.<br />
*Her first name is written in katakana, which has no particular meaning. When written in kanji, it can be read as:<br />
**graceful jewel (雅珠)<br />
**light of love (愛光)<br />
**true heart (真心)<br />
**truth (真実)<br />
**sea of the heavens (天海)<br />
**dancing beauty (舞美)<br />
**dancing light (舞光)<br />
**polished beauty (磨美)<br />
**sparkling purple (晶紫)<br />
**magical beauty (魔美)<br />
**magical charm (魔魅)<br />
**intense hemp (麻深)<br />
*She is the only character whose first name is written in katakana (contrasting with Madoka, Sayaka and Homura, whose names are written in Hiragana). This can have several implications: firstly, that "Mami" has foreign origins (in line with the "Western flavor" Aoki Ume gave to Mami's magical girl outfit); secondly, that Mami is much, ''much'' older than the other girls (an unlikely possibility, considering that katakana was used for girls' names ''prior'' to the Asia-Pacific War; the cars in Mami's flashback in [[Episode 3]] look fairly modern)..<br />
**In Mami's case, it is not a traditional name, so that this discussion about naming rules prior to WW2 is not applicable directly.<br />
**Also, almost all the kanji examples above are not familiar for Japanese names.<br />
**Finally, the creators may simply have been referencing another "Mami" character whose name was written in katakana. For example, the protagonist of the famous magical-girl anime ''Creamy Mami, the Magic Angel'' has her name written in katakana rather than hiragana or kanji.<br />
*The finishing move Mami used on the witch [[Gertrud]] and later [[Charlotte]] voiced out as "tiro finale" which means "final shot" in Italian.<br />
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==Observations==<br />
*She lives alone in an apartment after her parents died in a car accident. She used her wish to save her own life from the accident and feels guilty for forgetting about her parents in that moment of desperation.<br />
*Mami does not regret making her wish, preferring life as a lonely magical girl to death. What she does seem to regret, however, is not having had more time to think over it. She tells Madoka to think carefully of her wish, as she wasn't able to; she also chastises Sayaka when she asks if the wish has to be for herself or someone else, asking her outright if she truly wants to help the other person (Kamijou) or wants him to be in debt with her instead.<br />
*When assaulting Gertrud's barrier, Mami fights in a very focused and disciplined manner, choosing her shots carefully and reacting quickly when she gets into trouble. When hyped up on the Power of Friendship in Charlotte's barrier, she jumps recklessly into battle and freezes up when Charlotte transforms, leading to her getting eaten.<br />
*It's implied in the series that she knew [[Kyouko]], and may have learned what her wish was. In Episode 2, Mami talks about how magical girls can view each other as competition. She displays hidden eyes when saying this, suggesting she had a very bad personal experience. In Episode 3, after Kyubey says someone had previously made a wish for someone else, Mami claims that the wish didn't have a happy ending and again seems to have a pained expression. It seems in both cases she is talking about Kyouko, who views other magical girls as competition and who also made a wish for someone else. The unreleased prequel manga ''[[Oriko Magica]]'' is likely to explicitly confirm this, as it stars Kyouko and Mami.<br />
*Her fighting style while fighting Charlotte's minions resembles the gun kata from the movie [[wikipedia:Equilibrium (movie)|Equilibrium]]. Urobuchi Gen is a fan of the movie and has written a fanfic about it, called [http://vndb.org/v1390 Jouka no Monshou]. <br />
*The magic that Mami uses to summon muskets inside her skirt during her curtsy visually resembles the manner in which Roberta the Maid unloads grenades from her skirt in the manga/anime series ''Black Lagoon.'' In ''Bakemonogatari'' -- another anime by director Akiyuki Shinbo -- the heroine, Hitagi Senjōgahara, unloads office supplies from her skirt for use as weapons in much the same way.<br />
*In episode 10, Mami from Timeline 1 seems to know that Walpurgis Night is coming. In episode 6, Kyouko implied that Walpurgis Night's approach cannot be predicted.<br />
* While she appears to be mentally strong, Mami is much more emotionally frail than she seems to. In episode 3 Mami admits it openly in front of Madoka, and in the manga rendition of said scene she even says that she cries a lot when on her own, thus declaring that she is no real role model for anyone before Madoka tells her she's not alone. <br />
* In episode 10, learning the awful truth about the Puella Magi after fighting Sayaka/Oktavia makes Mami from Timeline 3 lose her mind, since her whole view of the world is shattered. She breaks down in tears, kills Kyouko by shooting her Soul Gem, then wraps Homura in vines and tries to kill her in a similar manner, genuinely thinking that she is saving them from a fate worse than death. Madoka, however, destroys Mami's Soul Gem with a beam arrow and kills her to stop her rampage, before she and Homura go fight in Walpurgis Night.<br />
*[[Episode 10]] and, even further, the Blu-ray edition of [[Episode 2]], radically modify Mami's apartment. At first her apartment looked quite spartan reinforcing the idea that she is by herself with no one to support her (emphasizing her loneliness). Later revisions instead fill up her room with several items, beautifully decorated with nice furniture; the reason for this may be to display that she may come from a wealthy background.<br />
**It is possible she inherited her family's assets and probably insurance money. The way she dresses and talks indicates that she comes from a wealthy family. The decorations at her place are consistent with that image.<br />
*Mami and [[Madoka]] are the only Puellae Magi known who are never seen having a mark on any of their fingernails (see a picture below). [[Homura]], [[Kyouko]] and [[Sayaka]] all have marks on their left middle fingers, matching the shape of the emblem of their respective Soul Gem. The meaning of that is unknown, speculations range from a production error to a connection to their wishes.<br />
**It's a production error. Homura, Kyoko and Sayaka don't have their marks in every single shots showing that finger. Reading into it any more than that is silly.<br />
==Speculation==<br />
*The exact phrasing of Mami's wish is currently unknown. It's possible that she wished not to "die alone", and thus died in episode three because the terms of her contract/wish were fulfilled. According to the manga, she simply asked Kyubey to "save her" during her car accident, but whether this is canonical for the anime is unknown. However, this is theory is called into question when she is shown alive and well in Time Line 3, when all of Madoka, Sayaka, Homura and Kyouko are her Puella Magi colleagues.<br />
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*It is possible that Mami may be able to be brought back to life without a wish. This is due to the body of a magical girl merely being the "husk" and that the soul is what keeps them alive; as long as her Soul Gem can be found, her life may be able to be restored. There is a catch, however: Mami's soul gem takes the form of a hairpin, and it was the first thing to be crushed in episode 3.<br />
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*While Mami does not appear in Timeline 4, circumstance seems to imply that she was killed by Charlotte. In both Timeline 4 and Timeline 5, Madoka does not immediately contract with Kyubey, and Homura in Timeline 4 was determined to battle the witches by herself. Without any meaningful back-up, Mami failed to realize that Charlotte made use of a decoy doll until it was too late. This may have been what Homura meant when she tries to warn Mami in Episode 3 that Charlotte is different from the witches she'd dealt with so far.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
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File:Mami Tomoe Anime Design.jpg<br />
File:Mami Tomoe Original Design.jpg|Original character design by Aoki Ume<br />
File:Mami_Tomoe.jpg|Screenshot<br />
File:Soul gem.png|Mami's soul gem<br />
File:Charlotte's_grief_seed_and_mami's_cup.jpg|[[Charlotte]]'s grief seed and Mami's cup.<br />
File:Madoka1296141803171.png|An early 4-koma speculating on Mami's wish.<br />
File:Madoka1296219874638.png|A 4-koma speculating on Mami and Homura's relationship.<br />
File:Madokapine.jpg|Coincidence, or something... DEEPER?<br />
File:Mami nice apt.jpg|Regular broadcast gives Mami's apt. the appearance of a spartan atmosphere. Blu-ray edition decorates Mami's place with so many nice things that would make anyone envious. It even has a second floor!<br />
File:Mami soul gem tv vs bd.jpg<br />
File:Let me think about it.jpg|Exaggeration of Mami's desperation for friends<br />
File:Mami lonely.jpg|Being a Puella Magi is a solitary job.<br />
File:Mami hands.jpg|Closeup of Mami's hands (and Soul Gem) in Episode 2's BD version. Note the lack of mark on any of her fingernails.<br />
File:Mami hands 2.jpg|Another closeup of Mami's left hand, this time with her Soul Gem as a ring. Also no mark on her fingernails.<br />
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==External links==<br />
*{{pixiv_tag|巴マミ}}<br />
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<div>Creating in the same style as the locations page. [[User:Jbw|jbw]] 18:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica Existing work] available here for reference. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 18:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks i'll use this to get the names down quickly and i'll add new images as i re-watch it on Bluray.<br />
:::Oh how could I not see this page. I'm your man, leave it to me. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I'll take care of all firearms for now, but should we include other kinds of weaponry? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Speaking of "other kinds of weaponry:" is it just me, or did Homura actually use a nuclear reactor against Walpurgis Night in Episode 11? Should that be included on this page? [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 00:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::A nuclear reactor? If you're talking about Homura's final attack, that was some sort of stadium or dome lined with explosives, I think. Sure the explosion looked gargantuan, but I'll say it again: ''stadium lined with explosives''. Mushroom clouds and ungodly explosions aren't nuclear exclusive, any large explosion will do it: it's just very rare to see a non-nuclear explosion that strong. The most usual example is a [[wikipedia:Thermobaric weapon|thermobaric weapon]]. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Considering that Homura was fighting Walpurgis in what was definitely an industrial area, we can be pretty sure that it wasn't a stadium. On watching that scene again, though, it looks almost like Walpurgis fell into something like a giant ''trap pit'' that Homura lined with rectangular bombs: there seem to be buildings along its perimeter, and the perspective suggests that the witch is below ground level rather than surrounded by high walls. How could she have set that up, though? [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 02:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::The Witch crashed into the ground, creating the very large hole you see. Homura stopped time and placed the explosives. Time was then unstopped and that's why the explosives only activated a few seconds AFTER the Witch crashed into the ground. They're 'proximity mines' by the way. Anything that crosses the sight/lens sets them off. They're called 'Claymore' proximity mines.<br />
::::::::Those are ''absolutely not'' [[wikipedia:M18A1_Claymore_Antipersonnel_Mine|claymores]]. The explosives used were definitely of high yield: Claymores are fragment mines, they produce a small explosion, what kills is the high-speed ball bearings inside it. Hence why it's an anti-personal mine, poor against armor, and thus completely inadequate to use against Walpurgis, which apparently can take more fire than the Kremlin. <br>I can't say for sure, but my best bet is that it's [[wikipedia:C4|C4]]. The light matches common C4 detonators, and being a plastic explosive, it's easy to shape the charges into blocks to fill any given area, and attach them to a surface, unlike solid explosives. As for the trigger, I'd be willing to bet it was remotely detonated: not point in placing down all those explosives if some poor idiot walked into the building by accident. And the explosives were definitely pre-placed: there's not enough time sand in the world to place them in the middle of battle. <br>Momoism, you're right about the industrial area. That should be some sort of large warehouse, then: the roof above surface, but the floor below. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 16:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Who says she manually placed them, or even placed them before the fight? Her magic can very clearly deploy large amounts of weapons over an area, so why not in a preset configuration? More importantly, those do look like Claymores, and there ARE brands of Claymore that aren't fragmentation based. That said, for her to not have had placed them in advance, would require her to have known the fighting would make Walpurgis Night crash at that exact location. Sure, it's possible she could have... but that's a far stretch compared to them just being placed on the spot.<br />
::::::::::It's true Homura's hammer space works in mysterious ways, but all of her uses of involved either retrieving objects from her shield, or having them pop up in close proximity. She was clearly far away from the blast zone, and the explosives were firmly attached to the wall, to the point that they didn't fall when half the building was trashed by Walpurgis' fall.<br>It's not that much of a far stretch. Homura has fought Walpurgis before several times, and knowing her initial location and her reaction to her attacks, she could predict her movements. Definite proof is the implosion of the towers. Setting up explosives to implode a building takes a great amount of care and time, let alone do so in way that the building collapses in a precise direction. It was a precision strike, ready to use while Walpurgis was stunned by the mortars.<br>About the Claymores: taking another look at the scene, I see how can they be mixed up by them, the length and height are similar. However, I rechecked various sources: there is no high explosive Claymore, all of them are fragmentation mines. It is only natural, it's a purely anti-personnel weapon. A HEAT version wouldn't be useful against armor: it is simply too small. Anti-tank mines tend to be much larger.<br>Either way, it also straight-edged: Claymores are curved, to spread the fragments over a 60º angle. They also have prominent edges all around, while the Claymore is round around the felt and right sides. Furthermore, Claymores do not possess that light in the middle: in fact, they possess none, Call Of Duty and other games just love to put lasers spewing out of it on the edges. No such thing exists.<br>Finally, Homura knows her weapons well. In fact, you can see her evolution from a normal girl to a weapons expert: she dropped her oversized, clumsy Desert Eagle and replaced with with a handy, precise Beretta. She has an M249 she used for heavy fire from distance, and an assault rifle she used for medium range defense while on the move. She clearly know when and how to use weapons. As I said above, even if there was a high-explosive version of a Claymore, it would never have the power of an anti-tank mine or another high-yield explosive. Given that all weaponry she used against Walpurgis is anti-armor (well, not the fuel truck...), it would be both inconsistent and a very bad decision to use anti-personnel weapons for her final attack on Walpurgis. Sorry to say this, but you are essentially calling her stupid by suggesting she used Claymores.<br>Phew, that took a while. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 19:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I just wanted to say that I think Mami's weapon looks like a muzzle loader, not a breechloader. That would make it a rifled musket, not a rifle. [[Special:Contributions/72.77.96.152|72.77.96.152]] 03:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)Carrie<br />
:Thank you. Classic firearms are not my speciality :/ [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 16:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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On Homura's grenades: the one she uses to chase Kyouko away isn't very powerful, no. The one she uses on Roberta however obliterates the Witch and all of its familiars in (as far as we know) a single explosion. I'm not sure why exactly the episode 10 remark about it says it's not very powerful.<br />
:Copy paste after hours making that, sorry. But actually, while the one used on Kyouko isn't powerful enough to be an M26, the one used on Roberta is ''too powerful'' to be an M26. I think it's an HE version, though no such thing exists. Then again, there isn't a stun version either...<br>And in the end, we never get to see a proper frag M26. Urobuchi strikes again. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 01:58, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::To be completely fair here, holographic technology like Homura uses in her apartment doesn't exist either and that's not stopping her from having it. Mitakihara seems like an advanced town overall, it could just be that their local military has more potent stuff they're hiding. Holographic tech, ridiculous stun grenades, explosives that could take down a Witch in one hit, etc. The alternative is presuming that Witch barriers don't obey usual laws of reality in regards to weaponry, and this is why Homura can make pipe bombs that can take out Witches in one hit.<br />
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Oh, here's something that's missing: Homura's purple blasts of magic from episode 10 (and possible 1?) when she's chasing Kyubey in the latest (presumably) timeline. They seem to cause him to swell and explode, so it's doubtful that those blasts are from a weapon so much as just something Homura is producing. Unless we want to make a separate page for magical spells and effects in the same way as this one... in which case Mami's ribbons and string shots should probably be on there and not classified as weapons.<br />
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== Criteria for this page ==<br />
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Since the discussion above pretty much derailed...<br />
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What should be considered a weapon and what shouldn't? After I started to consider (and post) weapons other than firearms, I realized there are some that are on the borderline. Namely, Mami's ribbons, and the strings that grow from her bullets: should they be considered weapons? I've put them there, but I am not sure if they're weapons, supporting assets that shouldn't be considered weapons, or mere magic. Need your opinion here.<br />
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Also, I've been uploading full screens so far, with 500px size in the page. In the cases of weapons that aren't heavily featured in the scene (pipe bombs in Charlotte's tongue, Mami's twin cannons, etc), it would be useful to upload cropped versions, but I'm not too keen on having pictures of different size/aspect ratio... [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 19:33, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I think what you're doing right now is perfect. Having there non-traditional weaponry listed will help this page differentiate itself from its imfdb counterpart. In regards to screen captures, my personal opinion is that all screens should be uncropped, since it will give visual context for where the weapon is used. If emphasis is needed, we can always highlight or circle the weapon. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 21:01, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Mistake, or...==<br />
Episode 11 has "rose branch bow" listed on it. I don't want to check back to see if there was a flashback or something, but I thought that scene was from Episode 10...[[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]] 04:37, 2 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I was wondering about that, too, but then I remembered that at the beginning of ep11 (before the OP) there is a sequence of flashbacks from ep10. That particular shot is there, too, around 1:16. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 11:12, 2 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Actually, that shot is from ep 10. That exact shot is in the pre-OP of ep 11, while Kyubey is telling Homura she's the one who gave Madoka power, in flashbacks. However, it's in super-wide screen, so I just used the one form ep 10.<br>Oh, and... those names were given by me. I'm not exactly the best namer in the world, so if you have a better one, please do come forward with it. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 16:13, 2 May 2011 (UTC)</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Weapons&diff=11470Talk:Weapons2011-05-01T02:32:03Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>Creating in the same style as the locations page. [[User:Jbw|jbw]] 18:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica Existing work] available here for reference. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 18:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks i'll use this to get the names down quickly and i'll add new images as i re-watch it on Bluray.<br />
:::Oh how could I not see this page. I'm your man, leave it to me. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I'll take care of all firearms for now, but should we include other kinds of weaponry? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Speaking of "other kinds of weaponry:" is it just me, or did Homura actually use a nuclear reactor against Walpurgis Night in Episode 11? Should that be included on this page? [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 00:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::A nuclear reactor? If you're talking about Homura's final attack, that was some sort of stadium or dome lined with explosives, I think. Sure the explosion looked gargantuan, but I'll say it again: ''stadium lined with explosives''. Mushroom clouds and ungodly explosions aren't nuclear exclusive, any large explosion will do it: it's just very rare to see a non-nuclear explosion that strong. The most usual example is a [[wikipedia:Thermobaric weapon|thermobaric weapon]]. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Considering that Homura was fighting Walpurgis in what was definitely an industrial area, we can be pretty sure that it wasn't a stadium. On watching that scene again, though, it looks almost like Walpurgis fell into something like a giant ''trap pit'' that Homura lined with rectangular bombs: there seem to be buildings along its perimeter, and the perspective suggests that the witch is below ground level rather than surrounded by high walls. How could she have set that up, though? [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 02:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::The Witch crashed into the ground, creating the very large hole you see. Homura stopped time and placed the explosives. Time was then unstopped and that's why the explosives only activated a few seconds AFTER the Witch crashed into the ground. They're 'proximity mines' by the way. Anything that crosses the sight/lens sets them off. They're called 'Claymore' proximity mines.<br />
::::::::Those are ''absolutely not'' [[wikipedia:M18A1_Claymore_Antipersonnel_Mine|claymores]]. The explosives used were definitely of high yield: Claymores are fragment mines, they produce a small explosion, what kills is the high-speed ball bearings inside it. Hence why it's an anti-personal mine, poor against armor, and thus completely inadequate to use against Walpurgis, which apparently can take more fire than the Kremlin. <br>I can't say for sure, but my best bet is that it's [[wikipedia:C4|C4]]. The light matches common C4 detonators, and being a plastic explosive, it's easy to shape the charges into blocks to fill any given area, and attach them to a surface, unlike solid explosives. As for the trigger, I'd be willing to bet it was remotely detonated: not point in placing down all those explosives if some poor idiot walked into the building by accident. And the explosives were definitely pre-placed: there's not enough time sand in the world to place them in the middle of battle. <br>Momoism, you're right about the industrial area. That should be some sort of large warehouse, then: the roof above surface, but the floor below. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 16:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Who says she manually placed them, or even placed them before the fight? Her magic can very clearly deploy large amounts of weapons over an area, so why not in a preset configuration? More importantly, those do look like Claymores, and there ARE brands of Claymore that aren't fragmentation based. That said, for her to not have had placed them in advance, would require her to have known the fighting would make Walpurgis Night crash at that exact location. Sure, it's possible she could have... but that's a far stretch compared to them just being placed on the spot.<br />
::::::::::It's true Homura's hammer space works in mysterious ways, but all of her uses of involved either retrieving objects from her shield, or having them pop up in close proximity. She was clearly far away from the blast zone, and the explosives were firmly attached to the wall, to the point that they didn't fall when half the building was trashed by Walpurgis' fall.<br>It's not that much of a far stretch. Homura has fought Walpurgis before several times, and knowing her initial location and her reaction to her attacks, she could predict her movements. Definite proof is the implosion of the towers. Setting up explosives to implode a building takes a great amount of care and time, let alone do so in way that the building collapses in a precise direction. It was a precision strike, ready to use while Walpurgis was stunned by the mortars.<br>About the Claymores: taking another look at the scene, I see how can they be mixed up by them, the length and height are similar. However, I rechecked various sources: there is no high explosive Claymore, all of them are fragmentation mines. It is only natural, it's a purely anti-personnel weapon. A HEAT version wouldn't be useful against armor: it is simply too small. Anti-tank mines tend to be much larger.<br>Either way, it also straight-edged: Claymores are curved, to spread the fragments over a 60º angle. They also have prominent edges all around, while the Claymore is round around the felt and right sides. Furthermore, Claymores do not possess that light in the middle: in fact, they possess none, Call Of Duty and other games just love to put lasers spewing out of it on the edges. No such thing exists.<br>Finally, Homura knows her weapons well. In fact, you can see her evolution from a normal girl to a weapons expert: she dropped her oversized, clumsy Desert Eagle and replaced with with a handy, precise Beretta. She has an M249 she used for heavy fire from distance, and an assault rifle she used for medium range defense while on the move. She clearly know when and how to use weapons. As I said above, even if there was a high-explosive version of a Claymore, it would never have the power of an anti-tank mine or another high-yield explosive. Given that all weaponry she used against Walpurgis is anti-armor (well, not the fuel truck...), it would be both inconsistent and a very bad decision to use anti-personnel weapons for her final attack on Walpurgis. Sorry to say this, but you are essentially calling her stupid by suggesting she used Claymores.<br>Phew, that took a while. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 19:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I just wanted to say that I think Mami's weapon looks like a muzzle loader, not a breechloader. That would make it a rifled musket, not a rifle. [[Special:Contributions/72.77.96.152|72.77.96.152]] 03:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)Carrie<br />
:Thank you. Classic firearms are not my speciality :/ [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 16:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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On Homura's grenades: the one she uses to chase Kyouko away isn't very powerful, no. The one she uses on Roberta however obliterates the Witch and all of its familiars in (as far as we know) a single explosion. I'm not sure why exactly the episode 10 remark about it says it's not very powerful.<br />
:Copy paste after hours making that, sorry. But actually, while the one used on Kyouko isn't powerful enough to be an M26, the one used on Roberta is ''too powerful'' to be an M26. I think it's an HE version, though no such thing exists. Then again, there isn't a stun version either...<br>And in the end, we never get to see a proper frag M26. Urobuchi strikes again. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 01:58, 1 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::To be completely fair here, holographic technology like Homura uses in her apartment doesn't exist either and that's not stopping her from having it. Mitakihara seems like an advanced town overall, it could just be that their local military has more potent stuff they're hiding. Holographic tech, ridiculous stun grenades, explosives that could take down a Witch in one hit, etc. The alternative is presuming that Witch barriers don't obey usual laws of reality in regards to weaponry, and this is why Homura can make pipe bombs that can take out Witches in one hit.<br />
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== Criteria for this page ==<br />
<br />
Since the discussion above pretty much derailed...<br />
<br />
What should be considered a weapon and what shouldn't? After I started to consider (and post) weapons other than firearms, I realized there are some that are on the borderline. Namely, Mami's ribbons, and the strings that grow from her bullets: should they be considered weapons? I've put them there, but I am not sure if they're weapons, supporting assets that shouldn't be considered weapons, or mere magic. Need your opinion here.<br />
<br />
Also, I've been uploading full screens so far, with 500px size in the page. In the cases of weapons that aren't heavily featured in the scene (pipe bombs in Charlotte's tongue, Mami's twin cannons, etc), it would be useful to upload cropped versions, but I'm not too keen on having pictures of different size/aspect ratio... [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 19:33, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:I think what you're doing right now is perfect. Having there non-traditional weaponry listed will help this page differentiate itself from its imfdb counterpart. In regards to screen captures, my personal opinion is that all screens should be uncropped, since it will give visual context for where the weapon is used. If emphasis is needed, we can always highlight or circle the weapon. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 21:01, 29 April 2011 (UTC)</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Weapons&diff=11464Talk:Weapons2011-05-01T01:42:45Z<p>70.81.159.144: Homuhomu's grenade</p>
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<div>Creating in the same style as the locations page. [[User:Jbw|jbw]] 18:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica Existing work] available here for reference. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 18:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks i'll use this to get the names down quickly and i'll add new images as i re-watch it on Bluray.<br />
:::Oh how could I not see this page. I'm your man, leave it to me. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I'll take care of all firearms for now, but should we include other kinds of weaponry? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Speaking of "other kinds of weaponry:" is it just me, or did Homura actually use a nuclear reactor against Walpurgis Night in Episode 11? Should that be included on this page? [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 00:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::A nuclear reactor? If you're talking about Homura's final attack, that was some sort of stadium or dome lined with explosives, I think. Sure the explosion looked gargantuan, but I'll say it again: ''stadium lined with explosives''. Mushroom clouds and ungodly explosions aren't nuclear exclusive, any large explosion will do it: it's just very rare to see a non-nuclear explosion that strong. The most usual example is a [[wikipedia:Thermobaric weapon|thermobaric weapon]]. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Considering that Homura was fighting Walpurgis in what was definitely an industrial area, we can be pretty sure that it wasn't a stadium. On watching that scene again, though, it looks almost like Walpurgis fell into something like a giant ''trap pit'' that Homura lined with rectangular bombs: there seem to be buildings along its perimeter, and the perspective suggests that the witch is below ground level rather than surrounded by high walls. How could she have set that up, though? [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 02:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::The Witch crashed into the ground, creating the very large hole you see. Homura stopped time and placed the explosives. Time was then unstopped and that's why the explosives only activated a few seconds AFTER the Witch crashed into the ground. They're 'proximity mines' by the way. Anything that crosses the sight/lens sets them off. They're called 'Claymore' proximity mines.<br />
::::::::Those are ''absolutely not'' [[wikipedia:M18A1_Claymore_Antipersonnel_Mine|claymores]]. The explosives used were definitely of high yield: Claymores are fragment mines, they produce a small explosion, what kills is the high-speed ball bearings inside it. Hence why it's an anti-personal mine, poor against armor, and thus completely inadequate to use against Walpurgis, which apparently can take more fire than the Kremlin. <br>I can't say for sure, but my best bet is that it's [[wikipedia:C4|C4]]. The light matches common C4 detonators, and being a plastic explosive, it's easy to shape the charges into blocks to fill any given area, and attach them to a surface, unlike solid explosives. As for the trigger, I'd be willing to bet it was remotely detonated: not point in placing down all those explosives if some poor idiot walked into the building by accident. And the explosives were definitely pre-placed: there's not enough time sand in the world to place them in the middle of battle. <br>Momoism, you're right about the industrial area. That should be some sort of large warehouse, then: the roof above surface, but the floor below. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 16:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Who says she manually placed them, or even placed them before the fight? Her magic can very clearly deploy large amounts of weapons over an area, so why not in a preset configuration? More importantly, those do look like Claymores, and there ARE brands of Claymore that aren't fragmentation based. That said, for her to not have had placed them in advance, would require her to have known the fighting would make Walpurgis Night crash at that exact location. Sure, it's possible she could have... but that's a far stretch compared to them just being placed on the spot.<br />
::::::::::It's true Homura's hammer space works in mysterious ways, but all of her uses of involved either retrieving objects from her shield, or having them pop up in close proximity. She was clearly far away from the blast zone, and the explosives were firmly attached to the wall, to the point that they didn't fall when half the building was trashed by Walpurgis' fall.<br>It's not that much of a far stretch. Homura has fought Walpurgis before several times, and knowing her initial location and her reaction to her attacks, she could predict her movements. Definite proof is the implosion of the towers. Setting up explosives to implode a building takes a great amount of care and time, let alone do so in way that the building collapses in a precise direction. It was a precision strike, ready to use while Walpurgis was stunned by the mortars.<br>About the Claymores: taking another look at the scene, I see how can they be mixed up by them, the length and height are similar. However, I rechecked various sources: there is no high explosive Claymore, all of them are fragmentation mines. It is only natural, it's a purely anti-personnel weapon. A HEAT version wouldn't be useful against armor: it is simply too small. Anti-tank mines tend to be much larger.<br>Either way, it also straight-edged: Claymores are curved, to spread the fragments over a 60º angle. They also have prominent edges all around, while the Claymore is round around the felt and right sides. Furthermore, Claymores do not possess that light in the middle: in fact, they possess none, Call Of Duty and other games just love to put lasers spewing out of it on the edges. No such thing exists.<br>Finally, Homura knows her weapons well. In fact, you can see her evolution from a normal girl to a weapons expert: she dropped her oversized, clumsy Desert Eagle and replaced with with a handy, precise Beretta. She has an M249 she used for heavy fire from distance, and an assault rifle she used for medium range defense while on the move. She clearly know when and how to use weapons. As I said above, even if there was a high-explosive version of a Claymore, it would never have the power of an anti-tank mine or another high-yield explosive. Given that all weaponry she used against Walpurgis is anti-armor (well, not the fuel truck...), it would be both inconsistent and a very bad decision to use anti-personnel weapons for her final attack on Walpurgis. Sorry to say this, but you are essentially calling her stupid by suggesting she used Claymores.<br>Phew, that took a while. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 19:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I just wanted to say that I think Mami's weapon looks like a muzzle loader, not a breechloader. That would make it a rifled musket, not a rifle. [[Special:Contributions/72.77.96.152|72.77.96.152]] 03:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)Carrie<br />
:Thank you. Classic firearms are not my speciality :/ [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 16:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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On Homura's grenades: the one she uses to chase Kyouko away isn't very powerful, no. The one she uses on Roberta however obliterates the Witch and all of its familiars in (as far as we know) a single explosion. I'm not sure why exactly the episode 10 remark about it says it's not very powerful.<br />
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== Criteria for this page ==<br />
<br />
Since the discussion above pretty much derailed...<br />
<br />
What should be considered a weapon and what shouldn't? After I started to consider (and post) weapons other than firearms, I realized there are some that are on the borderline. Namely, Mami's ribbons, and the strings that grow from her bullets: should they be considered weapons? I've put them there, but I am not sure if they're weapons, supporting assets that shouldn't be considered weapons, or mere magic. Need your opinion here.<br />
<br />
Also, I've been uploading full screens so far, with 500px size in the page. In the cases of weapons that aren't heavily featured in the scene (pipe bombs in Charlotte's tongue, Mami's twin cannons, etc), it would be useful to upload cropped versions, but I'm not too keen on having pictures of different size/aspect ratio... [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 19:33, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I think what you're doing right now is perfect. Having there non-traditional weaponry listed will help this page differentiate itself from its imfdb counterpart. In regards to screen captures, my personal opinion is that all screens should be uncropped, since it will give visual context for where the weapon is used. If emphasis is needed, we can always highlight or circle the weapon. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 21:01, 29 April 2011 (UTC)</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Oriko_Magica&diff=11358Talk:Oriko Magica2011-04-30T17:57:29Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Prequel/Sequel Debate */ new section</p>
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<div>[[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]], where have you found the information that Oriko is a sequel? All other sources seem to indicate it as a prequel...<br />
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Question: I would like to verify what the evidence was that Oriko was a prequel. As far as I know, it was pure speculation on the part of fans because at the time of its announcement, it was what fans thought would explain Mami and Kyouko being in it despite being dead (or on the way there) in the anime. Now that we've seen episode 12, we know that doesn't have to be the case. So I'm not sure why the default mentality is "it's a prequel unless proven otherwise." Normally one thinks of a continuation/spin-off as being sequential to the original work, unless specifically stated otherwise.<br />
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--[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 11:32, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:This article seems to indicate that [http://animapple.blogspot.com/2011/04/madoka-madoka-magica-hasnt-finished.html it is], I am more surprised that no one seems to be worried that it will be centered around <u>"MAHOU SHOUJO HUNTING"</u> --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:39, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Well, "silently reaching Madoka Kaname bit by bit" doesn't settle anything. It may refer to Madokami, but it may also refer to the week between Homura's release from hospital and her transferring in to Mitakihara's school. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 09:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::This has all the workings of an hilarious translation error, RE: "mahou shoujo hunting".<br />
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== Better Translation? ==<br />
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I have reason to think that both translations listed on this page contain important errors. The "Translation of Official Site" comes from [http://www.dokidokivisual.com/madokamagica/oriko/ here], but it seems to mention ''both'' Madoka and Homura (based off looking for the characters for "Homura"). But more importantly, when I put the text from [http://houbunsha.co.jp/comics/detail.php?p=%CB%E2%CB%A1%BE%AF%BD%F7%A4%AA%A4%EA%A4%B3%A1%F9%A5%DE%A5%AE%A5%AB here] into an online translator, the last two lines actually appear to be the two English lines seen [http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4832240161/ on the cover here] (click and zoom in on the upper left. Granted, it looks like it's badly translated English, but still). Could anyone re-translate these? (I have no capability of translating Japanese). -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 16:31, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I took a shot at translating the little text that's available, and while I don't have a complete set yet, I was able to pinpoint some problems. For example, the "Who could be the girl that stands in front of Mami and Kyouko?" could be better expressed as "Who in the world is this young girl standing before Mami and Kyouko...?" (''Mami to Kyouko no mae ni tatazumu kono otome wa ittai...?'') The "magical girl hunting" bit is also vague in English, whereas in Japanese I'm pretty sure that it clearly refers to "the hunting activities of magical girls," rather than "the hunting ''of'' magical girls." It's difficult for me since I'm not well-versed in the language, but I'll try to help out! [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 04:14, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Er, going back to the "hunting" part, since that's apparently what a lot of people are concerned about: it's "mahou shoujo kari." When discussing, say, a fox hunt in Japanese, you write "kitsune kari." I guess the white-robed "magical beasts" are going on a hunt? [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 04:26, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Hi, I'm an owner of the animapple blog. I also think calling this manga sequel is a bit to far-fatched from the information currently given. Before this synopsis being released, the only information we had was; 'Oriko Magica will be looking at other character's story in different perspective'. Thus, there are two possibilities; 1. The idea of 'prequel' was all trolling and this is indeed sequel, as that synopsis was posted 'AFTER' the airing of last episode, 2. It is prequel from untold loop by homura. <br />
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However, I still consider my translation to be accurate. 2ch's response justified that it is indeed 'magical girls being hunted', not 'magical girls hunting'. <br />
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I give you another fact that improves possibility of this being sequel. [http://i.imgur.com/u1ikn.jpg This concept design] by animator of MadoMagi instructs to make Homura look like 'villain' and mahou beast thing to be look like a 'good guy'. [[User:Ring0tamegane|Ring0tamegane]] 06:25, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Vol 2 cover ==<br />
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Oriko vol 2 cover is flying around, though I can't find a bigger version.<br><br />
[[File:Oriko 2 cover small.jpg]]<br><br />
I think this is definitive proof it is not a prequel, given that Homura has no glasses. Who the hell are those two in the back, though? Guess we'll have to wait to find out... --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 15:49, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:But if this is not a prequel, then what the hell is Madoka doing on the cover? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:20, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::It's either troll, metaphor, or real. You cannot judge anything from it. [[User:Ring0tamegane|Ring0tamegane]] 16:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Symbolism, I guess? She is being hugged by Homura, after all... <br>Anyway, that's the reason I said it wasn't a prequel, and not that it was a sequel. It might also be during the events of the anime, or in one of Homura's timelines, but those two girls in the back... --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 16:25, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::It's most likely a fake cover, since a) it doesn't show up on Amazon, b) it doesn't make sense that the second cover would be released while the first volume's publication is still over a week away, and c) the art style is completely different, from the proportions to the coloring. Mura Kuroe couldn't have improved ''that'' much, unless the whole ''Oriko'' series is actually going to be drawn by different artists. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 16:30, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::That picture reminds me of a troll description on 2ch [http://yuzuru.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/comic/1303950844/10]<br />
:::::"Kyouko Sakura who searches for a (fated?) white Puella Magi; Mami Tomoe, who confronts the culpit of the "Puella Magi Hunting", a black Puella Magi; and Homura Akemi, who does nothing but protect Madoka Kaname's peace. [...] Which would be, one time axis that already passed." --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 16:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::<s>Seems I was fooled, then. Bleh</s> Or not. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 16:50, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::: [http://www.madoka-magica.com/books/02.html It's from the official website.] I thought everyone knew about this already.--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:12, 30 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Prequel/Sequel Debate ==<br />
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Should probably move this to a new section. Anyway:<br />
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*Point A: "It can't be a prequel, the cover of Vol 2 shows Homura, not Moemura."<br />
**Sadly doesn't mean much. It could still be a prequel that happens in the one week we don't see before episode 1, and the cover is just a metaphor for what Homura is doing, and not something that will actually happen in the manga. The cover could also just be that: a cover, and have little to do with the story.<br />
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*Point B: "It can't be a sequel, Homura's not wearing Madoka's ribbons."<br />
**She doesn't start wearing the ribbons until after the "Sayaka vanishes" point in the timeline. This could also be the point where she starts remembering Madoka too. Therefore it doesn't really mean anything. Also once again, cover could just be a cover.<br />
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*Point C: "It's centered on Kyouko and Mami, so it has to be a prequel."<br />
**Could be. Could also just be set in the new setting where they are clearly working together.<br />
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Feel free to add points and counterpoints as necessary. However, I feel that right now we haven't been given anything conclusive about whether it's a prequel, sequel, or an outright alt-u. Until we see a Witch/Grief Seed or a Demon/Grief... Cube?, it would be better not to assume anything. It might mislead people and create false hopes.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Kyubey&diff=11178Kyubey2011-04-29T17:27:48Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Trivia */</p>
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{{Infobox_character<br />
|name=Kyubey<br />
|image=[[File:Kyuubey Chara Sheet.jpg|300px]]<br />
|jname=キュゥべえ (Kyuubee) <br />
|seiyuu=[http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=641 Emiri Katou]<br />
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'''Kyubey''' is a {{nihongo|"Messenger of Magic"|魔法の使者|mahou no shisha}} who grants the wishes of young girls, but in exchange contracts their services as {{nihongo|Puella Magi|魔法少女|mahou shoujo|lit. Magical Girls}}. Girls who form a contract with him are tasked to defeat [[Witch|Witches]] -- bizarre entities that feed upon the hopes and dreams of normal people. Kyubey features prominently as a character within the anime series of Madoka Magica.<br />
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==Trivia==<br />
*People still argue as to how to write his name. Is it Kyubey or Kyuubey?<br />
**His name is written in both Hiragana and Katakana as キュ''(kyu)''ゥ''(u)''べ''(be)''え''(e)'', so Kyuubee or Kyuubey would be most accurate as a romanization.<br />
**On the other hand, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re0TB956D5E&feature=related the fifth commercial] has his name romanized as "Kyubey", which resulted in controversy. However, the lack of the extra u is probably just a use of the modified Hepburn system, which never accounts for extended vowels.<br />
**[[Translated_Official_Documents#Kyubey_cuteness|Urobuchi Gen joked]] that the "Kyu" comes from the katakana of the English word ''Cute'' so it could also be Cubey.<br />
**[[Episode 8]] suggests that his name comes from 'Incubator', which would be romanized as 'in'''kyubee'''taa.' In the same episode, it is revealed that he has multiple replacements.<br />
***During Kyubey's dialogues in episode 9, he keeps saying "we", meaning that he isn't the only Incubator.<br />
**Some fans of 2ch have taken to assigning the kanji 「九兵衛」 (''Kyūbē'', lit. ''nine protector soldiers'' or ''nine warriors in defense'') to his name, speculating that like Doraemon (whose name can be written as 「銅鑼衛門」), Kyubey's naming might have been inspired by old Samurai dramas.<br />
**'QB' is short for 'Kyubey' in Niconico Douga. This name is also common on 2ch.<br />
*Kyubey claims that he turns girls into magical girls (and thus eventually into witches) to keep a surplus of usable energy in the universe. He explains that through entropy, energy is gradually lost and the energy formed by the emotions of magical girls restocks that energy.<br />
**It's a bit more complex than that. Entropy dictates that in a closed universe, producing energy always costs more than it produces. Common examples of this include the fact it takes dozens of years to grow a tree which will in turn grow apples, but that the total of apples that tree will produce in its lifetime will give less energy than it took to grow the tree itself. In this end this means that all energy is destined to eventually run out, even if it's at a pace our human minds can't conceive. Emotions however aren't bound by entropy; to Kyubey's species, humans are basically walking emotion dispensers and can produce hundreds to thousands of times more emotional energy in their lifetimes than it takes to give birth to them. Since they themselves don't have emotions, Kyubey's species has decided to use humans and to convert their emotions into energy they then, presumably, pump into the cosmos somewhere to give entropy the middle finger. Madoka's transformation into a witch is said to be able to produce so much energy that they "collect even more energy than their quota", meaning that her transformation has enough juice to save the entire universe.<br />
***Small quibble: technically, energy is never lost. It is only made unusable.<br />
***The quota statement was likely just that he got more energy from Earth than he was assigned to (or what was expected to be extracted). You'd require an infinite amount of energy to permanently stave off the heat death of the universe after all.<br />
***It is also possible that transforming a girl into a witch converts heat to energy, and that Kyubey's explanation was simplified.<br />
***For more information about energy and thermodynamics in general, see [[Thermodynamics]].<br />
*In one of the alternate timelines in episode 10, Kyubey remarks that Madoka's witch may be capable of destroying the entire planet. However, he doesn't care as he already got his surplus of energy.<br />
*Kyubey appears to be capable of teleportation. In episode 10, at the end of the first timeline, he appears to fade into reality above Homura.<br />
*A fanart meme tends to point out Kyubey's similarity to [http://prettycure.wikia.com/wiki/Hummy Hummy], the mascot of ''Suite Precure♪'', the other (much more traditional, child-friendly, and optimistic) magical girl series that began airing in Winter 2011. Due to the closeness of their airing dates, this is likely a coincidence, but it has not gone unnoticed and adds to the series' postmodernist deconstruction of the magical girl genre.<br />
* Kyubey always uses ''boku'' (僕) as a first-person pronoun, this being typical for boys and young males. When addressing the girls, he always uses ''kimi'' (君), which, in modern Japanese, is usually used when addressing people of the same or lower social status, usually by male speakers. He also never uses honorifics when referring to people by their names. This is uncommon in real life, especially when referring to people present around. He also always uses plain (as opposed to polite) verb forms, which is normally used only in close relationships. While he does not say anything specifically to insult the girls, these patterns of speech (especially calling by full name without honorifics) can be considered rude and may indicate he doesn't respect the girls and considers himself clearly above them in the social ladder.<br />
**This may also be used to give a "foreign" touch to Kyubey's speech, as this pattern emulates the typical way of speaking in other languages, such as English.<br />
**It can also be interpreted as Kyubey treating personal names just as tags for identifying individuals, similar to a social security number.<br />
**''Boku'' can be used by girls, too, but this is uncommon in real life. In manga, anime and alike, this is often employed for girls exhibiting "boyish" personality traits. Such girls are called ''boku-kko'' (僕っ子) - [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Bokukko read more on the topic on TVtropes.org].<br />
**Given how many times Kyubey says he just doesn't understand humans, it might be he doesn't understand the need to be polite. That aside, since he isn't even human, it's also possible that nobody ever bothered correcting him. You can't expect magical familiars to abide to the same rules.<br />
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==Speculations==<br />
*When Kyubey gets shot by Homura in [[Episode 8]], another one appears and eats the dead body. It could either be another version of 'Kyubey' (as expected in some speculations), or the same Kyubey that respawned. After all, [[Wikipedia:Cat#History_and_mythology|cats are supposed to have 9 lives]], so what about him?<br />
**This could also be an effort to get back some energy, that would otherwise be lost.<br />
*Many fans believe [[Speculah:Kyuubey_is_Evil_Theory|Kyubey is evil]] and believe he/she should not be trusted.<br />
*According to the same theory, it is likely that Kyubey is the messenger of a greater entity that has its own agenda.<br />
*Some think Kyubey's real form is that of a red devil and his/her white fur acts as a cover as indicated by tears rather than bleeding in Episode 1.<br />
** Additionally, when he gets shot full of holes in Episode 8, there are small drops that appear to be blood, but they do not spread out after he is hit. He also appears to have no bones or organs.<br />
** [[Gen Urobuchi]]'s [[Translated_Official_Documents#Chidamari|tweet]] "Yeah, that's terrible! We still haven't shown even a single scene with bloodshed!" (まだ今んとこ流血シーンなんてないのに、ひどいよね!) may refer to the fact that Kyubey doesn't bleed.<br />
*The existence of multiple Kyubey bodies that seem to share a single personality, his use of the pronoun "we" in referring to himself/the Incubator(s) in episode 9, and his in ability to comprehend the Magis' emotional distress at losing one of their own, suggests that the Incubators might be a hive mind (many individuals acting as an extension of a single consciousness).<br />
*It would seem that Kyubey never lies but instead holds back important information, often under the pretense of no-one asking him. An example for this is episode 9: when Kyouko asks him if Sayaka can be saved, he only says that nobody ever tried to turn a witch back into a human being (which could in fact be true), rather than saying that it's indeed possible (which would be a lie, as he reveals to Homura at the end of the episode). However, Kyubey also tells Madoka that he is incapable of manipulating humans, which contradicts the reason why he allowed Kyouko to chase after Sayaka in the first place: he wanted her to be killed so that only Homura would be left to battle the powerful Walpurgis, thus forcing Madoka to become a magical girl. This is clearly an attempt to manipulate Madoka's actions, making his earlier statement to her a lie.<br />
**He also states that his/their reasons for creating magic girls is so that new cultures can arise without the heat death of the universe preventing that. He seems rather nonchalant about leaving Earth to be destroyed at the hands of Kriemhild Gretchen in timeline 4. Given that nearly all of the [[Population_dynamics|population dynamics]] models made for the Puella Magica world will inevitably result in the destruction of life on that planet and that Earth is clearly not the only world harvested by Kyubey's race, their reasoning seems rather suspect. Assuming they really are collecting the energy to stave off the heat death of the universe, for other cultures doesn't appear to be their reason for doing it. If he is consciously lying about the reason, then this would make his story to Madoka another attempt to manipulate her by claiming it's 'for the greater good.' Additionally, if this was the reason and if magic/wishes can really do anything, then why not simply explain it to someone and ask them to make a wish to prevent the universe from suffering heat death? Surely someone somewhere in the universe would be willing to make such a wish.<br />
***To our knowledge, Kyubey has thus far only accepted wishes that his species's technology can "grant:" the healing of a paralyzed hand (Sayaka), the rescuing of a girl trapped in a crushed automobile (Mami), mass mind-control (Kyoko), and time travel (Homura). While we don't know for sure the bounds of this technology, we definitely do know that Kyubey's species can't end the heat death of the universe on its own, meaning that Kyubey wouldn't be able to grant the wish "Save the universe from entropy!"<br />
**** No limits were stated. He hasn't failed to grant (or rejected) any wish on the first request. (Was technology ever mentioned?)<br />
***** Kyubey does say at one point that sufficiently-advanced technology can appear to be magic to less-advanced species. He also mentions early on in the series that he can't bring dead people back to life, a clear limitation on his wish-granting abilities that most likely comes from his species' inability to revive the dead. <br />
***** However, note, that wish granting may essentially be considered as an exertion of energy. Yet, magic girls generate more unergy upon their deciet, therefore it is anti-entropy. To wish against entropy, all the energyu in the universe would not suffice.<br />
***** Isn't that inconsistent with Homura undoing deaths every time she time-travels. <br />
****** No, since Homura always travels back to a certain point in time before everyone is killed. She isn't "undoing" deaths so much as going to a timeline where they haven't happened yet. (Of course, if Kyubey's species is capable of time travel, then he could ''technically'' "revive" a person by going back in time, grabbing a past version of that person, and bringing him/her to the present...but, of course, the past version of said person wouldn't necessarily be the same as the version the potential Puella Magi would want. In addition, picking up and dropping off people in different time lines could have complicated, horrible effects on time in general.)<br />
**** When granting Homura's wish, Kyubey clearly states her wish surpassed entropy and yet he still succeeds in granting it. (see episode 10's page) That's consistent with his explanation that magic comes from the girls and magic is above entropy.<br />
***** However, while "magic"/"miracles" can come from the girls, we have seen no indication of Kyubey being able to use any kind of magic other than what his species' advanced technology allows him to do. Moreover, he -- not the girls themselves -- grants the wishes, meaning that all wishes thus far have been granted using technology rather than magic. Taking fan theories about the ending of the show in mind, this could become a plot point when Madoka makes her decision to become/refuse to become a Puella Magi.<br />
***** We don't know how wishes are granted. Another possibility is he plays a catalytic role. Homura's wish wouldn't have been possible if he granted them only using what his race was already capable of.<br />
****** He couldn't have just given her a portable time machine? In that case, he would have given Homura the technological means to complete her wish, while she would have provided the "magic" to make that wish surpass entropy -- making Kyubey's, as you suggested, a catalytic role that doesn't necessarily involve magic on his part. Going back to why he apparently can't find someone to wish against the heat death of the universe, Kyubey most likely can't provide the catalyst necessary for such a wish to come true. He'd have to rely entirely on the magic of the girl in question, and so far as we know Madoka has been the only person he's met who might have the magical potential to rewrite the laws of the universe. <br />
***However, Kyubey seems to either remember making a contract with Homura, or know that such a contract has been made. It is therefore possible that the reason he wishes to make Madoka into a magical girl is that, as long as Homura keeps on resetting the space/time continuum, Kyubey can harvest an infinite amount of energy from each of the witches killed in each individual timeline, thus permanently preventing the heat death of the universe - for as long as Homura keeps resetting time. If Kyubey harvests energy from each parallel universe (and any witches that may be created from them), it is possible to create a paradoxically infinite universe.<br />
** He seems to show emotion despite claiming his race doesn't or can't. [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/index.php?title=File:Qb-flaunting-the-goods.jpg&oldid=4777 Kyubey]<br />
*His name would also be very similar to Incubi.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center"><br />
File:Kyubey eats.jpg<br />
File:Kyubey.jpg|He stares into your soul.<br />
File:Kyubey Original Design.jpg|Original character design by Aoki Ume<br />
File:Incubator.jpg|Shot full of holes<br />
File:Kyubee_name.jpg|Offical site HTML show "Kyubee"<br />
File:20110125211127.jpg|Offical CM show "Kyubey"<br />
File:Qb-flaunting-the-goods.jpg|Kyubey being Kyubey.<br />
File:Kyuubey_aaah.PNG<br />
File:Kyuubey tastes like chicken.PNG|Great taste, less filling<br />
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==External links==<br />
*{{pixiv_tag|キュゥべえ}}<br />
*{{booru_tag|danbooru|kyubey}}<br />
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<div>Creating in the same style as the locations page. [[User:Jbw|jbw]] 18:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica Existing work] available here for reference. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 18:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks i'll use this to get the names down quickly and i'll add new images as i re-watch it on Bluray.<br />
:::Oh how could I not see this page. I'm your man, leave it to me. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I'll take care of all firearms for now, but should we include other kinds of weaponry? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Speaking of "other kinds of weaponry:" is it just me, or did Homura actually use a nuclear reactor against Walpurgis Night in Episode 11? Should that be included on this page? [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 00:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::A nuclear reactor? If you're talking about Homura's final attack, that was some sort of stadium or dome lined with explosives, I think. Sure the explosion looked gargantuan, but I'll say it again: ''stadium lined with explosives''. Mushroom clouds and ungodly explosions aren't nuclear exclusive, any large explosion will do it: it's just very rare to see a non-nuclear explosion that strong. The most usual example is a [[wikipedia:Thermobaric weapon|thermobaric weapon]]. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Considering that Homura was fighting Walpurgis in what was definitely an industrial area, we can be pretty sure that it wasn't a stadium. On watching that scene again, though, it looks almost like Walpurgis fell into something like a giant ''trap pit'' that Homura lined with rectangular bombs: there seem to be buildings along its perimeter, and the perspective suggests that the witch is below ground level rather than surrounded by high walls. How could she have set that up, though? [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 02:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::The Witch crashed into the ground, creating the very large hole you see. Homura stopped time and placed the explosives. Time was then unstopped and that's why the explosives only activated a few seconds AFTER the Witch crashed into the ground. They're 'proximity mines' by the way. Anything that crosses the sight/lens sets them off. They're called 'Claymore' proximity mines.<br />
::::::::Those are ''absolutely not'' [[wikipedia:M18A1_Claymore_Antipersonnel_Mine|claymores]]. The explosives used were definitely of high yield: Claymores are fragment mines, they produce a small explosion, what kills is the high-speed ball bearings inside it. Hence why it's an anti-personal mine, poor against armor, and thus completely inadequate to use against Walpurgis, which apparently can take more fire than the Kremlin. <br>I can't say for sure, but my best bet is that it's [[wikipedia:C4|C4]]. The light matches common C4 detonators, and being a plastic explosive, it's easy to shape the charges into blocks to fill any given area, and attach them to a surface, unlike solid explosives. As for the trigger, I'd be willing to bet it was remotely detonated: not point in placing down all those explosives if some poor idiot walked into the building by accident. And the explosives were definitely pre-placed: there's not enough time sand in the world to place them in the middle of battle. <br>Momoism, you're right about the industrial area. That should be some sort of large warehouse, then: the roof above surface, but the floor below. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 16:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Who says she manually placed them, or even placed them before the fight? Her magic can very clearly deploy large amounts of weapons over an area, so why not in a preset configuration? More importantly, those do look like Claymores, and there ARE brands of Claymore that aren't fragmentation based. That said, for her to not have had placed them in advance, would require her to have known the fighting would make Walpurgis Night crash at that exact location. Sure, it's possible she could have... but that's a far stretch compared to them just being placed on the spot.<br />
I just wanted to say that I think Mami's weapon looks like a muzzle loader, not a breechloader. That would make it a rifled musket, not a rifle. [[Special:Contributions/72.77.96.152|72.77.96.152]] 03:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)Carrie<br />
:Thank you. Classic firearms are not my speciality :/ [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 16:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Weapons&diff=11133Talk:Weapons2011-04-29T06:22:21Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>Creating in the same style as the locations page. [[User:Jbw|jbw]] 18:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:[http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica Existing work] available here for reference. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 18:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks i'll use this to get the names down quickly and i'll add new images as i re-watch it on Bluray.<br />
:::Oh how could I not see this page. I'm your man, leave it to me. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:16, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I'll take care of all firearms for now, but should we include other kinds of weaponry? [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 22:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Speaking of "other kinds of weaponry:" is it just me, or did Homura actually use a nuclear reactor against Walpurgis Night in Episode 11? Should that be included on this page? [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 00:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::A nuclear reactor? If you're talking about Homura's final attack, that was some sort of stadium or dome lined with explosives, I think. Sure the explosion looked gargantuan, but I'll say it again: ''stadium lined with explosives''. Mushroom clouds and ungodly explosions aren't nuclear exclusive, any large explosion will do it: it's just very rare to see a non-nuclear explosion that strong. The most usual example is a [[wikipedia:Thermobaric weapon|thermobaric weapon]]. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::::Considering that Homura was fighting Walpurgis in what was definitely an industrial area, we can be pretty sure that it wasn't a stadium. On watching that scene again, though, it looks almost like Walpurgis fell into something like a giant ''trap pit'' that Homura lined with rectangular bombs: there seem to be buildings along its perimeter, and the perspective suggests that the witch is below ground level rather than surrounded by high walls. How could she have set that up, though? [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 02:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::::::The Witch crashed into the ground, creating the very large hole you see. Homura stopped time and placed the explosives. Time was then unstopped and that's why the explosives only activated a few seconds AFTER the Witch crashed into the ground. They're 'proximity mines' by the way. Anything that crosses the sight/lens sets them off. They're called 'Claymore' proximity mines.<br />
I just wanted to say that I think Mami's weapon looks like a muzzle loader, not a breechloader. That would make it a rifled musket, not a rifle. [[Special:Contributions/72.77.96.152|72.77.96.152]] 03:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)Carrie</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Charlotte&diff=11047Talk:Charlotte2011-04-28T19:36:13Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Grief Seed Hatching Theory */ new section</p>
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<div>One idea is that Charlotte is a patient in the nearby hospital, who either turned into a witch out of her own grudges or was forcibly turned into one under the theory that the Grief Seed there was planted on purpose. Here's some copy/paste regarding her involvement in EP3. <br />
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It may be that witches sense the feelings of people around them and reflect them in their gardens. This episode's witch appears near a hospital, so we get hospital-themed imagery with needles and drugs. Those are probably not suggesting drug use, because we had scissors in there too and those are more related to surgery. There's also an "In Operation" panel above a door in the garden. Those are probably related to Charlotte's own experiences, if we are to assume that she's a patient afflicted with some serious condition. However, other people's emotions and thoughts also seem to activate witches, when Mami talked about eating cake and how she isn't lonely anymore, the witch noticed the emotional change and woke up (hence candies everywhere during that scene. Those candies are perhaps celebrating the birth of Charlotte as a witch.)<br />
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Where do the sweets and the cake dragon come in? The witch herself was (or is) a patient in the hospital, probably a little girl judging by Charlotte's initial appearance and how the text and imagery in the witch garden (mainly dolls and sweets) lacked the sophistication Gertrude's Faust quotes, butterflies and roses had. As befitting a kid her age, she most likely loves sweets, but she has some severe illness and has to stay in the hospital permanently, and her diet needs to be strictly controlled due to her condition. So all she can do is watching other kids play and be happy and eat whatever they want while she's struck in the hospital waiting for her death. She starts cursing those children (and/or her own condition), and eventually (with or without outside interference) she starts turning into a witch. <br />
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Another point is that even though Charlotte's back did feature the cake dragon's face, the dragon itself exploded out of her when Mami constricted her first form. That second form could be a reflection of Charlotte's (probably gastrointestinal tract-related) condition, the source of her grudge. Both Charlotte and the cake dragon have red spots on them, instead of strawberries or candy, those could be related to Charlotte's medical condition. Say, they could represent erythema nodosum, a symptom of Crohn's disease (which is far from obscure, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that it was used.) Helminths are another possibility due to the similarities between the cake dragon and a parasitic worm, but helminths are generally easy to treat and won't cause the sort of effects presupposed here. <br />
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So the scenario is thus: Little girl is hospitalized due to serious medical condition (eg. Crohn's disease), is a bit of a glutton but can't eat anything she wants due to dietary regulations (hence candy imagery in her garden), starts to curse the hospital she's stuck in (hence hospital imagery in her garden) and the children who can play outside the hospital without a care in the world. This curse starts turning her into a witch. Mami comes along and starts talking about cake, unintentionally pissing off Charlotte (since her grudge mostly has to do with not being able to do/eat as she wishes) Charlotte awakens and decides on eating Mami, she gets her ass handed to her instead. In her childish rage, the source of her curse takes over as the cake dragon (which is actually her intestines) and chomps down Mami. Alternatively, Charlotte was awakened by Mami's emotional turmoil, but homed in on her because she believed Mami to be a large lump of cheese, under the theory that witches view the world differently. Accordingly; Mami, Sayaka and Madoka all appeared as food to Charlotte, but she immediately went after Mami because she saw Mami as her favorite food, cheese. <br />
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How do I add my name and date on this I am not good with the internet --[[User:Croases|Croases]] 13:46, 22 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Here's my guess. There are many levels inside the witches barriers. Charlotte's barrier appeared near the the city's hospital and this resulted in her barrier look. As we can see the first levels are all hospital themed but the last one isn't. It's made of sweets. Same goes for Gertrud's barrier. First levels doesn't look like the last one at all. [[User:Commie|Commie]] 13:46, 22 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::I'd say the last one is a mix, because in the scene where Mami does her gun-kata fighting against the Pyotrs/minions, you can see a surgery room light in the background. --[[User:Piparkaq|Piparkaq]] 06:18, 27 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:>How do I add my name and date on this I am not good with the internet: Add four tildes (~) after your post. Alternatively, there is a "add your signature" button in the toolbar. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:35, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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does this mean there was a mahou shoujo in the hospital? --[[Special:Contributions/89.244.165.11|89.244.165.11]] 9:26, 27 February 2011 (CST)<br />
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The thing that bugs this anon about Charlotte's Grief Seed is that it is just suddenly there. It's not like Sayaka's transformation, where it looks like the witch's barrier manifests immediately. It's just hanging there on a hospital wall in plain view of everyone until it is able to create a barrier, (although there's some indication that it was invisible to ordinary people; it's Madoka who notices the Grief Seed, while Sayaka just passes it by and only seems to notice when Madoka points it out.) Now we haven't seen a familiar become a witch, but it seems very unlikely they just suddenly become a growing Grief Seed in between their transformation. So where did the Grief Seed come from? I believe that question was actually asked out loud by one of the characters, but no answer was given. Did Kyuube plant it? Is there some bizarre extra-dimensional space that Grief Seeds fall out of? If there is an extra-dimensional space, could it be related to the reason why corpses inside a witch's barrier vanish, even if the witch dies? And why did Homura say to Mami that Charlotte was different? Was it because Mami died to Charlotte in her timeline? If so, why was she so surprised when Mami's bindings vanished? <br />
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tl;dr There are a lot of unanswered questions about Charlotte and the appearance of her Grief Seed, and the most obvious answers only raise more questions. [[Special:Contributions/24.187.7.217|24.187.7.217]] 21:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Charlotte and Goethe ==<br />
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I noticed nothing has been mentioned about the connection of the name "Charlotte" with Goethe's life and work. Goethe loved a girl called Charlotte Buff, and despite the fact he was rejected, he based the main feminine character on her in his famous work "The sorrows of young Werther", where Werther unrequitedly loves a girl called Charlotte (Lotte). I don't think this connection is casual, since Goethe is very important in Madoka's background. Should i add this to the page? [[User:Onpu-chan|Onpu-chan]] 16:57, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:You're right, I now remember reading Werther back in high school. Feel free to contribute, no need to ask ;) --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 17:00, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Grief Seed Hatching Theory ==<br />
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We know that Sayaka's Grief Seed hatched immediately.<br />
We also know that Madoka's did as well.<br />
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We also know that the more despair a magical girl is in, the faster her Soul Gem grows dark.<br />
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Finally, we know that Grief Seeds can not only absorb ambient grief (notably used to cleanse Soul Gems and restore magical power to them) but also backed up by Kyubey saying that using magic near a Grief Seed will make it hatch faster (and magic, in a way, empties a Soul Gem and makes it easier for grief to accumulate).<br />
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Therefore, my theories are as such:<br />
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1- The more grief a magical girl had at the time of her transformation, the faster she hatches. This would make Charlotte someone who was indeed in the hospital (or near it) when her Soul Gem was overcome, but she didn't have enough grief to hatch immediately.<br />
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2- Charlotte's Grief Seed was mishandled by another Puella Magi; as Kyubey said, a Grief Seed from a defeated Witch will hatch again if it absorbs too much grief, and this is why he consumes them.<br />
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3- A familiar which turns into a Witch has a hatching period. Therefore the transformation from familiar to Witch wasn't instantaneous, and Charlotte wasn't a Puella Magi at all but rather a familiar.<br />
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As for why Charlotte's barrier is themed around the hospital, the answer is that it really has nothing to do with her wish or her life. The first layer of a Witch's barrier is a loose interpretation of where the Witch is located in the physical world. The final layer of a Witch's barrier is based on her personality (usually not even related to the wish made by the Witch if she was a Puella Magi). Every layer between the first and last are progressive steps toward the next one. Using Charlotte's as an example:<br />
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1- Hospital, no sweets to be seen right off the bat (FIRST)<br />
2- Hospital with sweets in medication bottles<br />
3- Sweets with hospital allusions, like the surgery room or giant syringe<br />
4- Sweets all over the place, no hospital allusions at all (LAST)<br />
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Make sense?</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Madoka_Magica_Episode_11:_The_Only_Thing_I_Have_Left_to_Guide_Me&diff=10843Madoka Magica Episode 11: The Only Thing I Have Left to Guide Me2011-04-27T06:57:35Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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|name = The Only Path Remaining<br />
|jname = 最後に残った道しるべ<br />
|script = [[Gen Urobuchi]]<br />
|storyboard = Tomohiko Itou<br />
|director = Kotono Watanabe<br />
|adirector = Shin'ichi Miyamae<br />Toshiyuki Fujisawa<br />
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== Summary ==<br />
The episode opens with [[Kyubey]] talking to [[Homura]] in her apartment. He has guessed everything about the nature of Homura's magic and wish, and comments that [[Madoka]]'s great magical power developed precisely because of that wish. By repeatedly going back in time, Homura inadvertently caused the creation of several parallel universes centered around Madoka; the accumulation of karma from each timeline manifested itself as Madoka's magical power. In this manner, Kyubey says, Homura has created an "ultimate witch."<br />
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The media report that the dead body of [[Sayaka]] has been found in a hotel room, with no trace to a possible cause. Madoka, along with other classmates, attends her funeral. When asked by her mother whether she knows anything about the cause, she says that she doesn't.<br />
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Kyubey talks to Madoka in her room, expressing that he does not understand why humans can experience the death of a single person with so much emotion, and tries to explain the behavior of his race. He makes a comparison to humans raising animals for their meat, calling it an "ideal symbiotic relationship." However, he admits that the comparison is imperfect as Incubators actually recognize humans as sentient lifeforms. He then proceeds to show Madoka the "common history of mankind and Incubators," revealing that some well-known historical figures (e.g., [[wikipedia:Cleopatra_VII|Cleopatra]], [[wikipedia:Himiko|Himiko]], and [[wikipedia:Joan_of_Arc|Joan of Arc]]) were in fact magical girls. He refuses to admit his own fault in the cruelty of the magical girl system, claiming that the wishes of girls in question are to be blamed as any wish can be twisted by its own logic. He even comments that if Incubators never came to the Earth, humans would "still be living naked in caves."<ref>Some observers are wondering what was the point of Kyubey's monologue as it feels like he is just repeating himself in his utilitarian speech and his inability to understand humans. What they seem to forget is that Kyubey is trying to convince Madoka that the Puellae Magi's sacrifice has been beneficial not just to Incubators but to mankind as a whole, to deny it would be hypocritical. But there is also another reason for this, anyone who wishes that the Incubators have never been created or arrived to Earth to establish the Puella Magi system runs the risk of undoing centuries of human progress. Such a wish would be tempting but it is not without risks.</ref><br />
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[[Junko Kaname]] and [[Kazuko Saotome]] meet and talk about the death of Sayaka, as well as about Madoka's change in behavior. Junko blames herself for being a terrible mother, not being able to help her daughter during a hard time.<br />
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Madoka visits Homura's house, where she asks her if it is really not possible to defeat [[Walpurgis Night]] alone, as [[Kyouko]] said. Homura denies Kyouko's words, but Madoka finds it difficult to believe her. Homura then reveals her true identity and history to Madoka, hugging her.<br />
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Walpurgis Night comes. All civilians have been evacuated because of an intense storm, thought to be a [[wikipedia:supercell|supercell]]; it is revealed that the storm was caused by Walpurgis, who is so powerful that she does not need to hide within a barrier. Homura starts to fight the witch using a large number of weapons, including rocket launchers, explosives, and a petrol tanker. However, the witch withstands her attacks, and even starts sending familiars to further attack Homura.<br />
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Madoka leaves the main hall of the shelter where her family was evacuated in order to talk with Kyubey. He avoids giving a clear answer on whether or not Homura can defeat Walpurgis Night by herself, persuading Madoka to go see it herself. He also comments that Homura is able to fight because of her hope, which can always be sustained: in the worst case, she can turn back time and try again. Losing her hope would mean turning into a witch; as long as she has hope, there is no escape from her ultimate fate. "Just like all magical girls throughout the history," he remarks.<br />
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She proceeds to go outside, but is stopped by Junko. Madoka tells her that she is aware of all the people caring for her, but there's something only she can do to help with the disaster befalling the city. She asks her mother to believe in her, and Junko eventually lets her leave.<br />
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After several desperate but unsuccessful attempts to defeat Walpurgis Night, Homura runs out of time<ref>Homura's timer runs out of sand during the battle against Walpurgis and without it she doesnt have the power to stop time, leaving her with the only option of reversing her timer and travel back in time to do it all over again.</ref>. Homura is about to lose hope, realizing that going back in time would only make things worse. Her Soul Gem is near total corruption. Before she can become a witch, however, Madoka grabs her hand and tells her not to worry, with Kyubey in the background. The episode ends with Homura telling Madoka not to do what she's about to do, and Madoka apologizing to her.<br />
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== Runes ==<br />
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See [[Runes:Episode 11|Runes of episode 11]]<br />
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== Initial broadcast and delays ==<br />
This episode was scheduled to air on 17 March 2011 but has been pulled due to the [[Wikipedia:2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami|2011 Sendai earthquake and tsunami]]. On April 10, 2011 it was announced that Madoka was scheduled to resume its broadcasting [http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/news/2011-04-10/madoka-magica-anime-to-resume-on-april-21 on the 21 of April 2011] and it would air the last two episodes back-to-back.<br />
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*MBS (Kansai area): 11th & 12th episodes on Thursday, April 21 at 26:40 (effectively Friday, April 22 at 2:40 a.m.) <br />
*TBS (Tokyo's Kanto area): 10th, 11th, and 12th episodes on Thursday, April 21 at 27:00 (Friday, April 22 at 3:00 a.m.) TBS had preempted its airing of the 10th episode due to its news coverage of the earthquake. <br />
*CBC (central Japan): 10th, 11th, and 12th episodes on Sunday, April 24 at 26:45 (Monday, April 25 at 2:45 a.m.).<br />
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===Censorship===<br />
Despite the long delay, the initial version of the episode, which aired on MBS and TBS, was censored while compared to the one that was later shown on Nico Nico Douga and other web streaming sites. Omitted were few shots in the shelter, showing an exact replica of a satellite map made after the 2011 Sendai Earthquake, and a closeup shot of Homura's leg broken under a rock.<br />
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File:Ep11 Nico earthquake.jpg|Earthquake references.<br />
File:Ep11 Nico Homura.jpg|Homura's broken leg was shown in the original broadcast, too, but this closeup shot is present only in the webcast version.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
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File:Get Out of My Head Kyubey.jpg|Kyubey gives Madoka One Mind-Effing History Lesson<br />
File:Unknown girl.png|Unknown historical girl; the setting could be Rome or Greece. There is suggestion that she could be [[wikipedia:Cassandra|Cassandra]] or [[wikipedia:Helen|Helen]]from Troy.<br />
File:Egypt.png|A young girl looking at an Egyptian landscape; she could be Cleopatra.<br />
File:Cleopatra queen.png|Queen Cleopatra in her royal regalia.<br />
File:Dead cleopatra.png|Cleopatra's famous suicide scene: she has allowed herself to be bitten by an asp[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra#Death].<br />
File:Himiko priestress.png|Himiko performing a ritual. She uses a bronze mirror.<br />
File:Himiko homes burning.png|Himiko's homeland burning.<br />
File:Joan of arc victory.png|Joan of Arc leading the French to victory in the [[wikipedia:Battle_of_Patay|Battle of Patay]]. <br />
File:Joan of arc defeat.png|Joan of Arc's defeat and [[wikipedia:Joan_of_Arc#Capture|capture]]; she is surrounded by a pile of dead bodies.<br />
File:Joan of arc burning.png|Joan of Arc [[wikipedia:Joan_of_Arc#Execution|burning at the stake]], apparently holding a crucifix.<br />
File:Madoka Homura sacrifice.png|One of them will have to make the ultimate sacrifice.<br />
File:Micheangelo's Creation of Adam in Bar.jpg| Micheangelo's "Creation of Adam", as reproduced over the bar counter<br />
File:Creation of Adam reflection.jpg| Creation of Adam reflection<br />
File:Walpurgisnacht Procession.jpg| A Carnival-like Procession heralding the arrival of Walpurgis<br />
File:Walpurgis Lifting and Burning Buildings.jpg|As the curtain raises, Walpurgis Night immediatly uproots skyscrappers, setting them ablaze like bonfires.<br />
File:Homura Heavy Weapons Kata.jpg|Homura may lack the "Unlimited Magical Weapon Works" but she makes it up with heavy military grade weaponry. RPG-7, AT-4, L16, Tank truck, Type 88 Surface-to-Ship Missile, and C4.<br />
File:Homupower.jpg|This fan artwork explains why Madoka becomes more powerful. The more Homura chases after Madoka to change her fate, the more cosmic karma Madoka accumulates, making her transformation into a powerful witch inevitable.<br />
File:Puella cave girls.jpg|Without Incubators the anime would be a slice of life about cave girls and their pursuit of inventing the wheel. <br />
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[[Homura Akemi]] has, ever since the start, displayed more knowledge than any other character, with the exception of [[Kyuubey]].<br />
At the same time, [[Speculah:The_Time_Travel_Theory|speculation grew that she was a time-traveler]]. That was confirmed in [[Episode 10]], along with a depiction of her past experiences in the repeating timeline, with the accumulated knowledge from those repetitions explaining how she is able to predict almost every occurrence in the current timeline. Thus, controversy on the origin of all that information subsided. Well, mostly.<br />
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However, the time reset does not explain everything. There are several pieces of intel that Homura couldn't possibly have obtained through the recurring events in [[Mitakihara Town|Mitakihara]] in that fifteen day period.<br />
From her experience, she only knew that Kyuubey had tricked the girls, and the consequences and mechanics of the cycle (but not the reasoning behind it; and we have no information whether she knows it's purpose if to combat entropy). She must have gotten that information elsewhere.<br />
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== Examples ==<br />
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* Kyuubey's real name<br />
* [[Speculah:Walpurgis_Night|Walpurgis']] past occurrences in other cities<br />
* The files and pictures of other witches<br />
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==Analysis==<br />
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Let's analyze those three.<br />
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The first is the most significant one. It's utterly impossible that she'd obtain Kyuubey's real name, Incubator, from [[Characters|anyone on the current cast]]. The only one who has learned it so far was [[Madoka Kaname|Madoka]], during Kyuubey's explanation of the magical cycle, where he identified his race as "Incubators". However, it is safe to assume that it is the first time he does it, given the specific circumstances of this timeline. And that was only after Homura [[Episode 8|revealed she knew that]].<br />
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The only other character that could have told her is Kyuubey. But there is simply no logical reason for that. Given that she had already contracted, he had absolutely no need to tell her that. One might argue he might have told her at a time in that timeline where it did no longer mattered, for example, [[Kriemhild Gretchen|after Madoka turned into a witch]]. It is something we usually see both in movies and real life. However, it requires at least one of two things: pity for the defeated adversary, and pride for knowing you've vanquished your adversary, and can speak the truth knowing they cannot do anything about it. Kyuubey can feel neither one nor the other. He is cold and emotionless: even if there was the slightest chance Homura could do something with that information, he would not tell her, ever.<br />
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Another argument is that she could have continuously asked if this or that were true, and he'd tell her when she guessed it. But for that to happen, we would have to assume that Kyuubey is incapable of lying, which has been proven wrong by his lies to [[Kyouko Sakura|Kyouko]] in Episode 9. This is debatable, though.<br />
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<br>The second and third are not as strong, but still valid.<br />
Files and pictures, so-called "statistics" by Homura are definitely easier to obtain that an unknown alien's real name. However, the amount of such files is massive. She possesses a wall chock full of it, plus those on the table. And this is not counting possible absent files, and other information she obtained, without the actual file (that is, things she heard or saw herself). And all of this in the same repeated fifteen days.<br />
So, where did she obtained those files?<br />
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The obvious answer would be other magical girls, and possibly human reports of paranormal activity that matches the description of a witch attack (police reports, files from occultism clubs, [[wikipedia:The X-Files|etcetera]]). <br />
Kyouko, being her partner in this timeline, simply does not seem to be the kind to write and keep reports (she did knew what Walpurgis Night was; however, she states that she hasn't "heard stories" about it coming to Mitakihara. Therefore, we can assume that her information comes from rumors, which she'd usually hear, being a veteran).<br>Neither did [[Mami Tomoe|Mami]], the only other girl in the cast that could have this information (assuming Homura would loot her apartment for them).<br />
<br>Kyuubey, of course, has all the information, but would not give a dime of it, ever. Walpurgis is the key for all his schemes to unfold.<br />
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==Who could it be?==<br />
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Getting to the main point: if this mysterious source does exist, who could it be?<br />
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Only two possibilities are foreseeable: a foreign, veteran magical girl, or another Incubator. Or an archive/intel cache left by either of them.<br />
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The first one is rather simple: a magical girl from another city (or maybe not, simply laying low on the streets of Mitakihara), who learned the truth somehow and lived through it, archived and provided her with information. Possibly on her deathbed, wanting to avenge her, or maybe moved by Homura's story (assuming she'd tell her).<br />
It leaves the question how did they meet up. Either Homura heard rumors of her, or she was the one that sought after Homura.<br />
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The second is more intricate. A second Incubator provided her with all the information on her species and Kyuubey's plans. <br>But why would he betray a member of their own species?<br />
There are some possibilities. <br />
Perhaps the Incubators are peaceful, even if emotionless, and actively investigating a way to stop, delay, or reverse entropy. They discovering the magical system, but discarded it due to to it's consequences, and proceeded to find other methods. Kyuubey, being the asshole he his, refused to accept that, and started making use of the magical system as means to obtain energy. This could have been done either under the Incubator's noses, or at open sight, making him a rogue element of his race.<br />
Thus, an Incubator was sent to Earth (or, in the undercover possibility, an Incubator that discovered the truth alone) to stop Kyuubey's madness. Having made contact with Homura in one of the timelines, he transmitted all useful information to her.<br />
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An alternative could be the opposite: the race itself does not care about the means to obtain energy, but one member developed emotions (in a shout out to [[wikipedia:V_(2009_TV_series)|V]]), and went on a quest to stop the use of this abhorrent method. In this case, the "good" Incubator would be the rogue.<br />
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Finally, it could simply be an Incubator with a grudge/personal rivalry with Kyuubey.<br />
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Whatever the case, it's needless to say the information obtained from another Incubator is, of course, invaluable.<br />
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All of this is, obviously, assuming the Incubators are separate individuals and not some sort of hive mind.<br />
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The main problem to this theory is that, poorly executed, would lead to a horrible ending. But if there is one great thing about Madoka, is that the story is good, but the execution is flawless. So, no need to worry about that.<br />
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==Points against the theory==<br />
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*The doubt of how Homura learned Kyubey's name is based on the hypothesis that he is indeed capable of lying. <br>The act of lying is not an emotion, it's a purely rational decision to not tell the truth when it is not to the liar's advantage. Plus, there have been some examples of his ability to lie (namely, telling Kyoko that saving Sayaka wasn't impossible, when he later states it indeed is). <br>Still, it's an open debate. In the case that he is indeed incapable of lying, then he might have told her his real name, and the reason behind the cycle (as Homura, as far as we know, only knows the mechanics of the cycle, not the reason behind it). But one thing that is certain is that he omits important parts of the truth, even when asked. Therefore, in that case, Homura would have to be very specific with her question, for Kyubey to tell her the entire truth.<br />
** Note that Kyubey also openly calls his race "Incubators" to Madoka, so there would not seem to be any reason to hide at this point.<br />
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*Also note, this whole theory is based on the fact that Homura might have met said source outside the screen. So, until that character appears on screen, or Homura confirms it's existence, this theory will remain [[Theories|just a theory]].<br />
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*Some have considered traditional means of attaining the intel. Not only, like said above, police files of witch-like attacks, and reports from occultism clubs, but others like ancient books, and even the internet. While the first three are plausible means of obtaining ''some'' of the information (but never all of it), the last one is doubtful. The magic world is a seclusive one: it can't be expected to see magic-related news on the internet, or maybe even magical girl forums. Even less possible is to find actual photographs of the witches, and even more when we're talking about Walpurgis' previous attacks on other cities.<br />
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*There are also some of Homura's lines, that she uses to reinforce her position as a lone wolf. The most significant of which being [[Episode 10|Episode 10's]] title, "I Won't Depend on Anyone Anymore". It's an ambiguous statement with a lot of interpretations, but given that the people she relied on until then (namely, the other magical girls) were depended on for fighting, training, and moral support, it's likely that she means not depending on anyone else for those actions. Relying on information given by others is likely not included. <br>In fact, if Homura is truly willing to take down all witches, including Walpurgis, and saving Madoka at the same time, all of this by herself, it would be foolish of her not try to obtain as much information as possible, for whatever source was available. And Homura may be a lot of things, but one she's not, is foolish. <br>Information is power. And for her herculean task, she needs all she can get, wherever it may come from. <br>The example being, she accepts Kyubey's advice that Sayaka is falling into despair faster than he thought. She knew she would fall, but, like Kyubey, not as fast. She accepts that, and tries to save her at the parking lot. Had her sentence applied to information as well, she would not trust him, and would not have tried to save her there.<br />
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*It is worth noting that a lot of the stuff found on Homura's wall is stuff you can find by googling Walpurgis Night; it's historical references, paintings, and other stuff that would really not be hard to find on the web; and let's remember this is the girl who can make pipe bombs that take out witches in one hit using only the internet.<br />
** In Drama CD 1, Homura does exactly that to figure out what Walpurgis is.<br />
*In a similar vein, the aerial pictures of the city could just be taken from an equivalent of Google Earth; alternatively they were stolen from the same military depot she took her weapons from or from another random source.<br />
*Pictures of witches and magical girls can have two realistic sources: either she has a magical girl friend who takes pictures of witches, or she can use her time magic to analyze past data. This would actually explain how she's generally able to know exactly when and where things are going to happen. A third possible source is simply that she's used her knowledge of each witch to track them down in their magical girl forms and document them thoroughly. <br />
**A point for the theory that her time magic can be used to analyze this stuff is her apartment, which itself seems to be something that she'd have done with her magic, lending in to the idea she can do more than stop time or rewind it.<br />
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== Ep 11 Information ==<br />
While Word of God revealed to us that Homura's apartment was holographic in nature, and the Drama CD revealed to us Homura used the internet to gather data on Walpurgis Night's historical basis, Episode 11 revealed to us that those holographic displays could be used to display Homura's very memories, including videos, when she hugged Madoka and they all switched to displaying videos from past timelines. Therefore:<br />
*Any shady information she has is likely out of her personal battles with Walpurgis Night, research, and unless proven otherwise, is directly showing on those screens from her mind.<br />
*This is likely a case of her magic, or time magic, interfacing with the holographic technology used to fancy her room up.<br />
*If the above is true, this entire theory has pretty much been proven wrong, in that Homura suddenly has a way to have obtained all this information AND display it on her walls by herself.<br />
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<div>[[User:Aster Selene|Aster Selene]], where have you found the information that Oriko is a sequel? All other sources seem to indicate it as a prequel... --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 11:32, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:This article seems to indicate that [http://animapple.blogspot.com/2011/04/madoka-madoka-magica-hasnt-finished.html it is], I am more surprised that no one seems to be worried that it will be centered around <u>"MAHOU SHOUJO HUNTING"</u> --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 22:39, 25 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Well, "silently reaching Madoka Kaname bit by bit" doesn't settle anything. It may refer to Madokami, but it may also refer to the week between Homura's release from hospital and her transferring in to Mitakihara's school. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 09:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::This has all the workings of an hilarious translation error, RE: "mahou shoujo hunting".</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kriemhild_Gretchen&diff=10453Talk:Kriemhild Gretchen2011-04-26T09:20:43Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Finale */</p>
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Returning to Gretchen's card, how is this different from [[Madokami]]? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 07:49, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I suppose it's like doing something the "wrong way" versus the "right way"? Kriemhild makes a quick-and-easy but illusory utopia that does nothing to treat the root problem, while Madoka makes actual change that is not as complete or perfect as an idyllic dream but is more valid and done through less sinister means.--[[User:Urutapu|urutapu]] 08:42, 26 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Like Urutapu says, Gretchen's method is "brutally murder everyone and everything that falls in its parameters for misfortune" whereas Madokami/Godoka addresses the problem without anyone needing to die (though we could argue her taking the grief away from mahou shoujos ultimately leaves their soul gems empty, and therefore, their next battle is almost assuredly their last). She didn't fix anything else about the world-- there is still tons and tons of unrelated misfortune. Just no more witches.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Demons.jpg&diff=10259File talk:Demons.jpg2011-04-25T15:57:55Z<p>70.81.159.144: Created page with "Tiny image is tiny for translation purposes. Do you have the full sized version that was featured on /a/, or is this it?"</p>
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{{Infobox_character<br />
|name=Homura Akemi<br />
|image=[[File:Homura Chara Sheet.jpg|300px]]<br />
|jname=暁美 ほむら (Akemi Homura) <br />
|seiyuu=[http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=creator&creatorid=305 Chiwa Saitou]<br />
|age=13-14 (estimated)<br />
|weapon=Shield (storage and timejump device), various mundane weapons like grenades, pipe bombs, pistols, machine guns<br />
}}<br />
Homura is first seen by Madoka in a dream of her fighting a monster in a desolate landscape of skyscrapers. The day after the dream, Homura has transferred to Madoka's school where she gives her ominous warnings.<br />
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==Official Info==<br />
A smart, graceful, athletically-talented girl. Cool if not chilly, her personality even can even be seen in her posture. Her primary ability is to stop time, all her other abilities and attacks seem to come from non-magical items, such as firearms and bombs. Her time manipulation device can also allow her to travel back in time, act as a shield, and seems to act as a limitless storage facility.<br />
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She seems to be a magical girl, but there are a lot of mysteries surrounding the way she acts. Her fighting style is also unidentified.<br />
* Ms. Aoki’s Design Check: A blunt girl. I tried to let this shine through in her design. Her distinguishing point is her silky long hair.<br />
* Magical girl outfit: Homura was designed with her personality and combat style in mind. I found her fascinating right away. (Aoki)<br />
* The sharp lines of her upper back and jacket evoke her personality. Overall rather monochromatic. Her black tights have a diamond pattern.<br />
* School uniform: She wears black tights in uniform too, leaving her overall feel just like in her magical girl outfit. She gives off the air of a silent beauty.<br />
* Regardless of her reasons, Homura'a priority is preventing Madoka from becoming a Mahou Shoujo. Since that is not understandable by other Mahou Shoujos or Madoka, she decided to act alone.<br />
* Homura is a magical girl from another timeline, as revealed by Kyubey. She knows that Kyubey is behind a sinister plot, and it mostly involves Madoka turning into a magical girl.<br />
* Homura's special ability is revealed to be some kind of time-travel, which explains why she knows so much to the point of knowing exactly when and where certain things will happen. This also may be why she can move at blistering speed.<br />
* Her [[Homura_Residence|house]] has a wall display of documents relating to witches.<br />
* In episode 9, it was revealed that Homura can stop time. However, anyone she touches while the ability is under effect will not be stopped.<br />
**According to Official Scans, as translated by '''symbv''' (exact source unknown), here is what '''Gen Urobuchi said on more of Homura's power''': "The weapon that looks like Homura's shield is actually a sand timer. When the flow of the sand is blocked, time is stopped. And when there is no sand on the upper part of the sand timer and then the timer is reverted, one month's worth of time is turned back. But before that stage is reached, only time stopping is possible. This means the special power of Homura is the ability to manipulate one month's time's worth of sand in the sand timer. As for the time passed and then turned back, since it was not the focus in this work I did not think it through very thoroughly. I think you can say that the world split up and became parallel worlds there."<br />
* Homura's backstory was revealed in episode 10. She was a transfer student who was recovering from heart disease. Probably due to her lack of confidence, she was targeted by familiars. However, Madoka (who was a Puella Magi at this time) and Mami save her. During Walpurgis Night, Madoka and Mami die. Homura then makes the wish to re-do her meeting with Madoka to prevent her fate.<br />
* Along with stopping time, Homura can also reverse time to before her meeting with Madoka.<br />
* Homura, while initially ditzy and insecure, has become very independent and strong during her time traveling. Her cold nature is from her determination to save Madoka after having failed in her mission to prevent Madoka from becoming a magical girl several times. <br />
* A previous Madoka was the one to task Homura to prevent Madoka from becoming a Puella Magi.<br />
* In the current timeline, Homura fails to stop Walpurgis Night. However, since Homura somewhat confessed to Madoka to the time traveling, Madoka creates a new wish to make sure that Homura's efforts weren't in vain.<br />
* Homura is the only one that remembers Madoka in the newest timeline. Also, she gains a bow and magical wings. Whether her time-stopping ability remains is unknown.<br />
* In the ending, Homura faces off with many demons in a desert. However, her wings become distorted like the barriers of witches. What happens to her is unknown.<br />
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==Observations==<br />
*She wants to stop [[Madoka Kaname|Madoka]] from making a contract with [[Kyuubey]]<br />
*She has much knowledge about [[Mitakihara Middle School]].<br />
*Is annoyed when Madoka uses her last name or honorifics instead of the more intimate "Homura".<br />
*She was openly pursuing [[Kyuubey]] until Kyuubey made contact with Madoka.<br />
*She appears obsessed with Madoka's happiness and/or survival. <br />
*As of [[Episode 10]], it is shown that Homura used to be a very shy and clumsy girl before she became a Puella Magi. Homura met Madoka and Mami when they were saving Homura from a witch, thus the three became friends. At the very end of that timeline, Madoka is killed and Homura asks Kyuubey to turn her into a Puella Magi with her wish being "to meet Madoka again, but this time as the one protecting her, not as the one being protected".<br />
*She appears to live by herself; her [[Homura Residence|residence]] only has her name on the nameplate, much like [[Mami]]'s. In episode 10, when she wakes up in the hospital, no-one is there with her, and she seems to have been filling out the school transfer forms on her own.<br />
*She seem to have met [[Kyubey]] before, as she refers to him as "Incubator" in [[Episode 8]] shortly after he was shot down by her. She also reveals to "know his true motives".<br />
*Her cold attitude was formed through re-living the same timeline multiple times, with the ending always being that Madoka either turned into a witch or died. When that happens, Homura turns back time to the first day of her arrival again.<br />
* When [[Mami]] asks Homura if she has any other power besides bending time in [[Episode 10]], Homura steals guns, swords etc. from a locker. She hides these weapons inside her shield.<br />
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==Speculations==<br />
[[File:Homura_Move2.jpg|right|thumb|Homura is able to move extremely fast in comparison with water drops.]]<br />
[[File:Homuragrenade.jpg|right|thumb|Homura's grenade in Episode 8 looks like an M61 grenade, used during the Vietnam War.]]<br />
[[File:Homugun.jpg|right|thumb|Homura's pistol in Episode 8 looks like an M9.]]<br />
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*Homura's wish was to protect Madoka, and since wishes always come true, it should make her immune from death and becoming a witch before saving Madoka. This makes her doomed to be locked in this cycle. In one timeline she was almost successful, but Madoka sacrificed herself for the sake of Homura and caused another restart.<br />
**Homura's wish may be interpreted simply as "I want to redo my meeting with Madoka" with the lines about wanting to protect her rather than being protected simply justification for her wish. If this is the case, then the wish has already been fulfilled and there isn't anything to make her immune from death or becoming a witch. Whether or not she has any control over her jumping back in time is unknown. The first few times appear to be automatic, but by the 4th jump back in time she appears to have control over when she jumps, as she spends time talking to Kyuubey despite clearly having failed to protect Madoka before walking away and starting again. It may simply have been the first few times were instinctual.<br />
** Urobuchi explained that her shield is a sand timer and that it can only be inverted after one month has passed; thus, in Timeline 4, she was presumably waiting for the right moment to invert the timer.<br />
*In the first two episodes, Homura appeared to be the antagonist. It was later explained that she only wanted to prevent Madoka becoming a magical girl. She saved Madoka and Sayaka multiple times and may become an ally and/or mentor of Madoka in the future.<br />
*She might also wish to prevent Madoka becoming a magical girl because of the risk that she could turn into an overwhelmingly powerful witch.<br />
*In [[Episode 5]], Homura saves Sayaka from Kyouko by suddenly manifesting as Kyouko's attack is about to land, somehow moving Sayaka out of the path of the attack. The ability seems to involve massive acceleration rather than teleportation(this because of her power being to turn back/stop time and thus being able to move quickly from one point to another by stopping time temporarily), as she is able to act in a [[:File:Homura_Move1.jpg|split second]]. As there are hints that a Puella Magi's powers may relate to her wish (e.g. Sayaka's regeneration), this may be a clue as to Homura's true motives. As of [[Episode 8]] it has been confirmed that Homura's ability has something to do with time.<br />
*Per the image in the gallery below, the pipe layout on the corridor wall is completely different after Homura uses her 'teleportation' ability. Assuming this is not a production error, it has been suggested that the ability actually involves magically reconstituting the entire corridor while moving the people in it around. For more information, please refer to the entry on this phenomenon in the [[Speculah:Magical_Powers#Spatial_Reconstruction_.28unconfirmed.29|Magical Powers speculah]].<br />
**In the 10th episode we can see Homura with her glasses and duvets, she looks like Hanekawa Tsubasa in Bakemonogatari, which is possessed by a cat during the golden week (Tsubasa Cat arc).<br />
*Homura may be a homunculus created by Madoka.<ref>See [http://gall.dcinside.com/anigallers/259050 DCinside] and [http://www.angelhalowiki.com/r1/wiki.php/%EB%A7%88%EB%B2%95%EC%86%8C%EB%85%80%20%EB%A7%88%EB%8F%84%EC%B9%B4%E2%98%86%EB%A7%88%EA%B8%B0%EC%B9%B4/%EB%96%A1%EB%B0%A5%EB%AA%A8%EC%9D%8C#s-7.4 Angelhalo Wiki](Documents are in Korean)</ref><br />
**The last line of [[Magia]] reads 命を作るのは願い(What creates life is a wish).<br />
**'Akemi(アケミ)' and 'alchemy(アルケミー)' reads similar in Japanese.<br />
**'Homu' in 'Homura' is also the first four letters in the word 'homunculus'.<br />
**Dr. Faust in Goethe's Faust created a homunculus, which has superhuman perception to see through Faust's dream. Mephistopheles could be subtituted by Kyuubey, and Dr. Faust by Madoka. See [[Speculah:Madoka Magica and Faust]] on Shaft's usage of Faust.<br />
*Homura might be in possession of the soul gems of magical girls from an alternate timeline, such as the alternate Madoka's. See also [[Speculah:Homura Identity Swap Theory]].<br />
*One of the speculations as for why Homura does not tell Madoka upfront of the consequences of becoming a magical girl, is because Madoka might just become one in order to save Homura or Mami. This could also be the reason why she's trying to keep a distance between her and Madoka.<br />
*Fans at the beginning expressed shock at Homura's strange choice in weaponry, all Puella Magi are suppose to have magical weapons but not Homura. This is partially correct, Homura's weapon is actually her magical shield which allows her to stop time as well as travel back in time, the shield can also act as a repository for her variety of arsenals and weaponry.<br />
**Homura's magical shield can also be used as just that, as during the battle against Walpurgis Night she blocks one of its attacks using it. While hunting Kyuubey in episode 1 and 10, she also appears to be firing small blue magical shots that are distinctly different from when she uses a gun. These shots may be much weaker than simply using a gun, which would explain why she doesn't use them against witches.<br />
*Homura may actually be Faust, as Faust in the play tries all his might to save Gretchen (Madoka) from dying but in the end she perishes anyways as Mephistopheles (QB) tries to tempt her to form a contract with him.<br />
** There's also the fact that in the Goethe version, Faust would only lose his soul if he ever had a moment of perfect happiness that made him wish he could stop time at that moment forever. Homura's power, of course, is to stop time. As such, it's entirely possible that the Homura and Faust parallels will be taken to its logical conclusion: She will have a moment of perfect happiness, she will stop time at that moment, and then she will die or become a witch. However, it should be mentioned that Faust manages to escape Mephistopheles and enter heaven because he found his moment of happiness in helping others, and not in anything Mephistopheles gave him. On the other hand, there is a [[Kriemhild Gretchen|witch that tries to create heaven on Earth.]]<br />
*Homura may be Walpurgis Night. As Homura's powers involved time manipulation it could very well be that we are seeing a witch version of Homura warped back into the past ironically becoming the very event that has shaped her reason for making a contract. Walpurgis Night has been depicted with clock-like gears underneath her dress. Episode 11 also depicts Walpurgis Night having a primary color of purple, which is also Homura's color. While the end of the series shows Homura losing her shield, after the credits we are shown Homura during an unknown time period, though having Madoka's ribbons, battling. Before Homura starts the fight, she hears Madoka offer words of encouragement as Homura gives up a final smile, which may signal Homura being consumed with despair. The final shot shows the main heroines, overlapped with multiple silhouettes of the heroines, which could allude to the familiars summoned by Walpurgis Night in episode 11, before showing Homura's soul gem.<br />
** The alternative interpretation is that the characters spawned from Walpurgis Night are not her familiars, but rather that Walpurgis Night is a set of witches, which are detaching from the main body during that time.<br />
***Sorry, speculation based off raw, after watching translated version, I would like to offer an alternative interpretation of the ending. since madoka negated the rules of the universe to erase witches before they are born, the after credit scene could suggest that it was Homura's final battle as Mami and Kyoko were not present. Madoka hinted that she would see Homura later, but Homura would just need to wait a little longer. It could be that Madoka was offering final words of encouragement before Homura would be consumed with grief and Madoka would come into erase her.<br />
* Homura shows some very different powers in episode 12. While this may be a by-product of the new world, it is also possible she always had these powers and simply did not use them in favor of her less magic-consuming time-stopping.<br />
** Given the fact that she no longer has her shield on her wrist, it is most likely that her powers have changed altogether.<br />
*** Her shield was shown to be completely out of sand during the fight with Walpurgis Night. As we know, the only way for her to get more sand again is to reset the timeline (flip the hourglass). Since the timeline wasn't actually reset by her, even in new timeline, her shield would still be completely out of sand, and therefore, useless as anything but a hunk of steel on her arm. It makes sense she wouldn't use it anymore, then.<br />
*** As for the source of her new powers, speculations abound; lead amongst them is that she got Madoka's bow from her at the same time that Madoka fixed her Soul Gem and gave her her ribbon. Another theory is that since her wish was to "protect Madoka," and Madoka is now a concept rather than a person, her powers were altered into something similar to what Madoka uses. Yet another theory is that with the universe restarted, Homura made a different wish, and so got different powers. Yet another theory is that Homura was always able to produce a bow; after all, her original concept artwork depicted her with that weapon. She just hadn't figured out how, or alternatively, just hadn't bothered, since stopping time is more efficient.<br />
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==Trivia==<br />
*Homura is frequently referred to as "Homerun-chan" amongst Western fans, due to the similarity of the two names in Japanese, however she is frequently referred as "Homuhomu" (ほむほむ) within Japanese community. Homuhomu likely originated from the [[Runes:Episode_3|runes in Episode 3]], one of which translates to "Homuhomu".<br />
*The first character for Akemi (暁) means "daybreak", while the second one (美) means beauty.<br />
*When her full name is written vertically in hiragana (あけみほむら) and with left half covered in certain angle, it could be read as カナメまどか which is Kaname written in katakana and Madoka written in hiragana. <br />
*Her last name can also be used as a first name.<br />
*Her first name is written in hiragana, which has no special meaning. However, when written in kanji, it can mean:<br />
**inflammation, blaze (炎 or 焔)<br />
**heart on fire (心火)<br />
**mass of flame (炎叢)<br />
**village protector (保村)<br /><br />
*Some folks in 2ch nicknamed [[Homura Residence|Homura's Residence]] "Homuhōmu," (ほむホーム) since Homu is a nickname for Homura, and Hōmu is "home" rendered in the Japanese syllabary. It should be noted that "homu" is more often used for dog houses and similar structures, with the English word "home" expressed using "uchi" (うち, which refers to one's own house or household), "ie" (いえ, which can refer to a physical house or a family lineage), or the honorific "otaku" (お宅, which refers to someone else's house or household).<br />
*The Homura of previous timelines is, due to her personality and actions, often referred to as "Moemura" amongst Western fans.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center"><br />
File:Homura Akemi Anime Design.jpg<br />
File:Homura Akemi Original Design.jpg|Original character design by Aoki Ume<br />
File:Why_Homerun-chan.jpg|How Homura became Homerun-chan<br />
File:Homerun-chan2.png|2ch's reaction<br />
File:Ep5 runes mura.png|Homura's ring and fingernail<br />
File:1296786066859 2.jpg|Spatial Reconstitution Theory (空間再構成)<br />
File:Homura-magazine.jpg|The cover of Megami magazine featuring Homura with a black cat.<br />
File:Hunter-x-hunter-1641920 2.jpg|Comparison of unnamed Nen ability in Hunter x Hunter and Homura's 'teleportation.' <br />
File:Madoka 10 02.jpg|Homura in Episode 10 from Timeline 1<br />
File:Homura weapons.jpg|Homura's arsenal of weapons: Home made bombs, hand grenades (M61), Flash Bombs, M9/Beretta M92F, Desert Eagle, Remington 870 (though the picture denotes it as a Benelli M1), FN Minimi M249, and lots of ammo<br />
File:Homura soul gem.png|Homura's Soul Gem<br />
File:145.jpg|A manga illustration of Homura with her shield<br />
File:Homura-scan.jpg|<br />
File:Official homumado art 2.jpg|Official Homura and Madoka art<br />
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==References==<br />
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==External links==<br />
*{{pixiv_tag|暁美ほむら}}<br />
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<div>[[File:How old are you.jpg|thumb|How old is Kyouko?]]<br />
This speculah was first spotted in animefan's comment on [http://thoughteclipse.blog.com/2011/02/18/mahou-shoujo-madoka%E2%98%85magica-7-the-road-to-hell-is-paved-with-good-intentions/ Steel's blog post about Episode 7]. Whether it is his original theory or not is unknown.<br />
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The theory basically says that Puella Magi, due to the "zombie"-like nature of their bodies, stop aging the day they make the contract. The explanation given in the original comment is that rather than the original body becoming soulless, it is "replaced altogether by a magical meat puppet that approximates her old body appearance", though other explanations for the same basic theory are also possible.<br />
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=== Evidence ===<br />
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* [[Kyouko Sakura]] gives most evidence:<br />
** She speaks in an "arcane" dialect of Japanese; however, characters using strange speech patterns or dialects isn't uncommon in anime (still, it's a fair point).<br />
** In her memories in [[Episode 7]], she is seen in clothes of Victorian style, while not looking significantly younger; moreover, some events in these memories indicate a different age, like the water bucket; however, the highly stylized nature of the memories scenes may mean it is not a valid evidence. On the other hand, she was also shown, in normal animation during her memories, to be wearing modern clothes before her contract with Kyubey, thus dispelling the possibility of her born before the late 20th century.<br />
** We never see any hint of her going to school, which might mean she's graduated; however it's also possible that since she came from a family that could barely afford food, it's why she's not going to school.<br />
** Kyouko is also able to use her Soul Gem's magic to keep [[Sayaka Miki]]'s body from going cold/decomposing after death. While this isn't outright defying the concept of aging, it comes rather close.<br />
* [[Homura Akemi|Homura]] speaks about seeing many Puella Magi die, and trying to stop girls from becoming Puella Magi many times, implying that she's doing it for a very long time - yet she passes as a 13-14-year-old. Not to mention about her Intelligence as shown in episode 1. ''<span style="color:#e00;">(In [[Episode 10]], it was revealed that {{Spoiler|she simply saw the same Puella Magi die multiple times due to having traveled back in time multiple times due to her wish.}})</span>''<br />
* In the retrospect scene of [[Mami Tomoe|Mami]] making a contract with [[Kyuubey|Kyubey]] in [[Episode 3]], she appears to be of the same age as she is in the current timeline, while she is said to be a long-time and experienced Puella Magi. However, it's worth keeping in mind that "long time" for a Puella Magi could just mean a few months, or maybe just a year, and in that timeframe Mami wouldn't have changed enough for it to be noticeable.<br />
* {{Spoiler|Near the end of the final episode, Homura is seen in what some have interpreted as a post-apocalyptic wasteland of the far future; this must be taken with a grain of salt, though, since it's pure speculation.}}<br />
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None of this evidence can be considered a hard proof, though.<br />
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A possible variation of this theory is that every Puella Magi can choose herself whether to age or not. It can be further variated that they are not aware of that choice - it may be linked with the decision not to feel body pain (about which [[Kyuubey|Kyubey]] was talking to [[Sayaka Miki|Sayaka]] in [[Episode 7]]'s pre-OP scene), for example.<br />
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<div>Considering that both Mami and Kyouko were visibly younger when they contracted, Kyouko was wearing modern clothes in the flashback, and neither Kyouko nor Mami knew very much at all about the mechanics of being a Magical Girl, I believe this theory can be safely written off as "Proven Wrong."<br />
:Not quite. The first time we see Kyouko as a magical girl, she already had the look we see today. The images were from her childhood before she contracted. They did now knew anything about the mechanics, well, simply because nor Kyubey nor anyone else told them. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 02:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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My personal belief is such:<br />
*Kyubey has outright stated the bodies are just meat puppets, and as long as the Soul Gem is intact, the body can be repaired.<br />
*If you can repair your body from any state whatsoever as long as the Soul Gem is intact, then it goes without saying you can regenerate lost limbs and the like.<br />
*Arguably, you could make a brand new body if you needed, however the magic needed to do that would probably mean you'd need to find a Grief Seed very, very quickly.<br />
Therefore, a Puella Magi is immortal in that they can just regenerate their body as long as they have the magic to do it. The real problem here is that, even if a Puella Magi doesn't age, so far we've seen that they have a life expectancy of "a couple of weeks or months" before a Witch inevitably kicks their ass. So it's possible no Puella Magi will ever live long enough to test that theory.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Magazines&diff=10026Talk:Magazines2011-04-23T22:38:36Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Translated Post-Series Documents */ new section</p>
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<div>==Unknown Interview==<br />
<br />
Unknown interview, as translated in these posts: >>45451122 >>45457658<br />
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<blockquote>今のところ、とんだオープニング詐欺ですよね(笑)。安易に変身しないのは、逆に「魔法少女になる」ということの重さを感じさせますね。その選択をするまでの物語ですからね。観る人は面食らうかもしれませんけど、幸いなことに今回はおもちゃを売る必要がないので出来ることだと思います<br /><br />
At this point the opening looks like an amazing fraud (laughs). Transformation is not easy, but I wanted the viewer to feel the weight of "becoming a magical girl". After all, it's the story until they make that choice. The viewers may be confused, but luckily I think we can do it because we don't have to sell the merchandising.</blockquote><br />
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<blockquote>これがスポンサーありきの企画だったら、まず第1話で変身させないとぶん殴られるところですよ(笑)。でも、せっかくそういう形じゃない座組で作る作品なので、こういう時に出来ることなんでもやっちゃおうという感じです。<br /><br />
If this were a project with typical sponsors, we'd get slapped around if we didn't make her transform in the first episode. (laughs) But since we're fortunately not stuck with that type of project this time, we're proceeding along the lines of "let's do everything we can get away with this time!</blockquote><br />
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<blockquote>キュウべえについてはいかがですか?この作品の鍵となるキャラカとおもいますが......。<br /><br />
Oh, and what about Kyubee? I think he's the key character in this work......</blockquote><br />
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Additional text from that interview which needs translating: http://green-oval.net/cgi-board.pl/a/thread/45448210#p45448210<br />
[[User:Yil|Yil]] 16:51, 1 February 2011 (CST)<br />
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:From Megami 2011/03. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 00:18, 2 February 2011 (CST)<br />
::Added. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Megami interview ==<br />
<br />
There's a translated Megami interview from around November 2010 which doesn't appear to be on the page, and doesn't include the Megami quote listed there.<br />
http://absolute.fanboi.us/2010/11/madoka-magica-megami-interview.html<br />
Can't be certain that this link will stay alive, so maybe we should copy the whole thing to a new page linked from the main documents page and credit absolute.fanboi.us as the source. [[User:Yil|Yil]] 03:58, 29 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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== Kitaeri's radio regarding Sayaka ==<br />
<br />
Summary from 2ch<br />
<blockquote>キタエリの発言 <br />
*現場では、完全に「さやかマギカ」と言われる <br />
:In the studio, we're all referring to this project as "Sayaka★Magica."<br />
*可哀そうな方向にしかいかないが、一寸の光はある <br />
:Things are going to move in a tragic direction, but there's a ray of light at the end of the tunnel.<br />
*3話以降(例のシーン)以降、ニトロ作品らしいダークな一癖も二癖もある話が展開されていく <br />
:After Episode 3, we're gonna have a Nitroplus-like development in the story. There'll be a twist or two in the plot, and it'll get dark.<br />
*さやかには、話の核心を付いたセリフがあるらしい <br />
*自分からフラグを立てていき、さやかの周りでも引っくり返しが2~3回以上起こるらしい <br />
*ほむら役の千和曰く、「さやかはおいしい役だった」とのこと <br />
*キーパーソンになる<br />
:She'll become a key person.<br />
</blockquote><br />
Source:<br />
*[http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13473066 Clip recording that portion from Kitaeri's radio]<br />
*[http://kamome.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime/1296756429/866 2ch post summarizing her words]<br />
<br />
Should transcript/translate the relevant section. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 00:37, 4 February 2011 (CST)<br />
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== NT wordplay dump ==<br />
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<pre>[[File:Scans_from_Newtype.jpg|thumb|200px|Scans]]<br />
=====Text in the scans=====<br />
The large text that says "魔女" and "魔法少女" translate as "Witch, or Magical Girl," and is a bit of wordplay.<br />
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The kanji for magical girl is 魔法少女<br><br />
魔法 = way of magic / sorcery<br><br />
少女 = young girl<br><br />
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The kanji for witch is 魔女<br><br />
魔 = evil/magic<br><br />
女 = woman<br><br />
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Thus, 魔法少女, "magical girl," cannot be written without including the characters 魔女, "witch".</pre><br />
I feel this don't provide any new information, just explaining wordplay (which I guess should be on the trivia page?) So move here for the time being. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 02:40, 10 February 2011 (CST)<br />
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:Given Kyuubey's last line in Episode 8, my opinion is that this should probably be moved back into this page. [[User:Oatmeal|Oatmeal]] 03:32, 25 February 2011 (UCT)<br />
::I believe it's better explained in [[Glossary]] page, since these two words are used throughout the series, not just in this scan. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:55, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Questionnaire ==<br />
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[[File:Questionnaire.jpg|thumb|right|Questionnaire from unknown magazine]]<br />
<br />
Found this posted on /a/, with the translation:<br />
<br />
<blockquote>>Tomoe Mami: Mizuhashi Kaori<br /><br />
>I was drawn to the role since I've rarely been able to play a part like this before. I was allowed to choose which role I could audition for and really wanted to try her out so I'm glad I challenged myself this time around. And then when I heard the story setting ||I really wanted to play this role||, so I'm happy I got it.</blockquote><br />
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[[User:Oatmeal|Oatmeal]] 18:29, 20 February 2011 (CST)<br />
:It was Megami Magazine, same issue as what's already in the pre-broadcast section. The questionnaire itself is pretty interesting, someone might want to do a full translation. (If no one did, I'll do it later.) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:48, 20 February 2011 (CST)<br />
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<br />
== Another unknown interview ===<br />
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<blockquote>雑誌インタビュー<br /><br />
-キュウべぇは殺された!と思ったら、直後に復活しましたね<br /><br />
an interview on magazine:<br /><br />
Q: I thought QB is killed, but then it resuurect.<br /><br />
<br /><br />
虚淵:<br /><br />
前の個体の損傷が激しくなると、自動的に次の個体が生成されます。<br /><br />
そして魔法少女がキュウべぇを殺すと、ペナルティとしてソウルジェムの濁<br /><br />
りを濃くされてしまいます。<br /><br />
Urobochi: If QB suffers severe damage, a new body will be automatically produced. And then, the magical girl who done this will be seriously punished by tainting her soul gem.<br /><br />
<br /><br />
それもキュウべぇは説明していませんが(笑)<br /><br />
Of course, QB will never tell them the truth.<br /><br />
<br /><br />
ちなみにキュウべぇが自分の死体を食べたのは、体がこの世界にはない物質<br /><br />
でできており、その証拠隠滅のためです。<br /><br />
By the way, the reason that QB consume his former corpse is because he wants to destroy the evidences of something should'nt supposed to exist in this world</blockquote><br />
--[[Special:Contributions/92.101.64.182|92.101.64.182]] 09:17, 26 February 2011<br />
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:Not in both NyanType and Megami. Fake. (To clarify: only two anime magazines went on sale around that date.) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Magazine images and text ==<br />
http://2cat.twbbs.org/~tedc21thc/new/pixmicat.php?res=4903 more magazine photos<br />
<br />
This got posted in >>46512159<br />
It's not clear whether it's a troll or part of a Megami interview. Seems worth investigating by someone who can actually read it.<br />
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<blockquote>追加:メガミマガジン読みながら<br /><br />
・QBはウソを言わない。「彼女一人では荷が重すぎたんだ。」<br /><br />
QB does not lie, which refers to the very begining in Ep1: "She can't sustain such heavy pressure"<br /><br />
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パートナーのまどかがいないから、ほむら一人。<br /><br />
・ほむらは弱い。<br /><br />
Without Madoka as her partner, Homura is alone. And weak.<br /><br />
<br /><br />
本来の主戦は魔法少女なのだから、黒猫では弱くて当然。<br /><br />
This is because fighting is basically MG's job, a cat sure can't so much thing.</blockquote><br />
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Googling for the same lines in other places turned up a post in a .tw forum:<br />
<br />
<blockquote>Megami流出的消息<br /><br />
有捏到後來的設定和劇情<br /><br />
真假請自行斟酌...更清楚的掃圖尋找中<br /><br />
(如果這情報不適合出現在本版,請板務告知一下)<br /><br />
<br /><br />
QBは最後までQBらしい<br /><br />
所詮奴はシステムの歯車でしかないのか・・・希望は何処に・・・<br /><br />
<br /><br />
QBはウソを言わない。<br /><br />
「彼女一人では荷が重すぎたんだ。」パートナーのまどかがいないから、ほむら一人。<br /><br />
ほむらは弱い。本来の主戦は魔法少女なのだから、黒猫では弱くて当然。<br /><br />
<br /><br />
QB只是系統的一個齒輪,QB不會說謊,<br /><br />
「她一個人負擔太重了」是因為只剩焰一個人,同伴小圓不在的關係<br /><br />
焰很弱,因為主要戰鬥的人是魔法少女,黑貓當然是很弱的<br /><br />
如果這訪談內容是真的,那就可以確定焰就是那隻黑貓<br /><br />
應該滿多人猜這個可能性的0.0"<br /><br />
而QB部分和我感覺的一樣,就是一個中立的角色<br /><br />
雖然讓大家很不爽,但是他不會偏袒任何一方</blockquote><br />
<br />
--[[User:KM|KM]] 16:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:No mention of Black Cat in both Megami and NyanType. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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This just popped up on mangajet.com as to why episode 11 may have been delayed into mid-April. <br><br />
It has to do with Urobuchi asking Megami Magazine to replace an article on Madoka. Maybe someone here can make use/make sense of it. <br><br />
http://mangajet.com/2011/03/the-reason-why-madoka-magicas-new-episode-cant-be-broadcast-has-been-clear/ <br><br />
--[[Special:Contributions/118.22.250.212|118.22.250.212]] 16:14, 31 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not good with google translate-language, but as a general piece of advice, don't forget which day it is (it's already April 1st in some parts of the world, including Japan). All articles getting released today are pretty suspicious... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 20:10, 31 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Aha. Fair enough warning. Didn't think about that. But it's dated the 31st and I'm in Tokyo and its already April 1st here. I guess we'll see. But yeah anything posted in this 48 hour timeframe is suspect I suppose.<br />
::-- [[Special:Contributions/118.22.250.212|118.22.250.212]] 00:32, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Copypasta of translation is thus: <br />
:::"Reading the explanation, we can know that it was difficult to broadcast the new episode shortly after the earth quake.<br />
:::※The explanation<br />
:::A witch who has strong power. It is perceived as a calamity. Homura proposes to fight against the witch with Kyoko"<br />
:::And some 2-chan exposition- "Calamity…To all appearances, that broken city is an appearance after big earth quakes. Because the expression overlaps that real earth quakes “Madoka Magica” can’t broadcast the new episode."<br />
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== NewType/Animedia scan ==<br />
<br />
From an interview, not sure which image each line belongs with.<br />
<br />
<blockquote>>46820187<br /><br />
<< Saito Chiwa (CV: Akemi Homura): >><br /><br />
"Finally, there's only Madoka and Homura. Ep10 is definitely going to be AWESOME, which will makes you scream 'Oh you Urobuchi-san'"<br /><br />
<br /><br />
Also from producer:<br /><br />
"I believe our audience will be HAPPY about ending"<br /><br />
<br /><br />
Another paragraph in this magazine said: "QB may seems a merciless, evil creature; but it intends to save this universe."</blockquote><br />
<br />
--[[User:KM|KM]] 18:31, 8 March 2011<br />
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== Scan organization ==<br />
<br />
The easiest way to judge which magazine the scan is originated from is to see when it was first posted.<br />
:6th~13th (release date is 10th every month), mostly NewType, Animedia or Animage.<br />
:22th~30th (release date is 25th every month), either Megami Magazine or NyanType.<br />
Would be appreciated if someone could organize the gallery by date it was first posted. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 20:45, 9 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
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===December 2010===<br />
<gallery><br />
File:1299697957432.jpg|Also a 100 question survey filled out by Madoka. Mostly concerning mundane things -- what do you wear when you go to bed, are you left-handed or right-handed, have you ever been confessed to, etc. Still would be nice if more of these could come out with different characters.<br />
File:100questions-1.png|A close-up scan of Madoka's questionnaire<br />
File:100questions-2.png|A fan-made (fake) questionnaire for Kyouko<br />
File:1301497031846.png|A fan-made (fake) questionnaire for Mami<br />
File:100questions-4.jpg|A complete scan of Madoka's questionnaire<br />
</gallery><br />
[[100 Questions|100 Questions Page]] contains translations. See the talk page for details on the ones for Mami and Kyouko, which are fanmade fakes.<br />
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===February 2011===<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Img2.jpg<br />
File:Img3.jpg<br />
File:Img4.jpg<br />
File:Img5.jpg<br />
File:Img6.jpg<br />
File:Img8.jpg<br />
File:Img9.jpg<br />
File:Img10.jpg|Unconfirmed TL: Orico Magica Main highlight is on Kyouko and Mami in a different angle from the anime<br />
File:Large_scan_left.JPG<br />
File:Large_scan_right.JPG<br />
File:Unknown publication.jpg| Animedia interview<br />
</gallery><br />
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===March 2011===<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Img11.jpg|>Madoka will not transfrom the whole show >I'd more read it as a "does not" as that would be a lot less spoilerific thing to say, with the entire sentence being "A Mahou Shoujo where the main character does not transform".<br />
File:Img12.jpg<br />
File:Img13.jpg|>Please first just watch episode 10. You'll see Homura in a much better light. And for any viewers out there who have been recording the whole thing, please watch the first episode before episodes 11 and 12. It'll totally look like two completely different shows. I think that's pretty cool. It's as if the first time you watched it you were completely fooled. But the good kind of fooled...maybe. Please watch all the way to the end. And set the bar high. This show will definitely surpass that.<br />
File:Img14.jpg<br />
File:Img15.jpg|The title of the last picture is - Madoka telling Madoka "I want to help you"...<br />
File:Img16.jpg|It's just Shinbo saying that he wanted Kyuubey to look cute, but the staff members made him look scary.<br />
File:1299667063576.jpg<br />
File:1300465353209.jpg|According to Quarterly S magazine April 2011 issue, director Shinbo Akiyuki said he wants to produce a spin-off of Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica. He thinks it's wasteful to let the unique characters go after the end of the current series and it's possible to produce a heart warming slice-of-life series where the characters live their lives smiling not crying.<br />
File:1300371597377.jpg<br />
File:Cross_Review_Scans.jpg|This one is fan-made. Note: I don't know if this helps, but that bug-like thing at the bottom of the first Cross Review scan is called "Infector." It's apparently from the ''Hellgate'' series. <br />
File:Cross review runes.jpg<br />
File:Unknown publication.jpg<br />
File:Episode 5 storyboard.jpg|Unknown publication of Shinbo's storyboarding for [[Episode 5]] fight.<br />
File:Scans.jpg|Several scans<br />
File:1301320000282.jpg|A magazine scan<br />
File:Staffcomments1.jpg<br />
File:Staffcomments2.jpg<br />
File:1301482226352.jpg|Mami's death bordered on guro to drill it into people's head: she's dead, period.<br />
File:1301482539366.jpg<br />
File:Sleepover-text-crop.JPG<br />
</gallery><br />
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===April 2011===<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Scan-1302351780496.jpg|This scan reveals that the swallowing sound Kyuubey made after eating his corpse was an ad-lib.<br />
File:Scan-1302511400606.jpg<br />
File:Scan-1302534251923.jpg|Everybody Loves Kyubey<br>Kyubey, a character surrounded by mysteries whose extraordinary existence casts a shadow over the drama. His backstory seems to play an important role in the story, he gets shot full of holes and toyed around with. Not like a magical girl mascot, is his harsh treatment proof of his popularity? Maybe.<br />
File:Scan-1302534503749.jpg<br />
File:Pic-1302630181297.jpg|The cover of Otona Anime vol. 20, an 80 page booklet describing the series.<br />
File:Compilation-1-jpg-95.jpg|Several magazine scans. (Update images with translations in margins if they get translated)<br />
File:Compilation-2-jpg-95.jpg<br />
File:Compilation-3-jpg-95.jpg<br />
File:Scan-1302497011788.jpg<br />
File:Newtype-left-half.jpg<br />
File:Newtype-right-half.jpg<br />
File:Scan-1302358251771.jpg<br />
File:Newspaper-ad.jpg|A newspaper advertisement for Madoka in Yomiuri Shinbun.<br />
</gallery><br />
[[File:Translated-scans-47947139.jpg|thumb|200px|A compilation of the scans discussed in this section.]]<br />
These are translations of magazine scans on /a/, with reference thread posts. The original images are available here: http://www.mediafire.com/?gpk15a85vog25kp<br />
<br />
>>47950014<br />
1 - The Secret of Homura's Room<br />
Homura's room is drawn in an other-worldly manner [TL note: this is also the word used for witches' barriers]. The truth is that it's supposed to be a holographic projected image. At its basis, it's an apartment set up around a dinner table and the like.<br />
<br />
>>47948969<br />
2 - In episode 8 it was revealed that there are multiple Kyubeys, but are their personalities difference?<br />
<br />
Urobuchi: There are many bodies, but only one consciousness. Therefore, even if you kill the body, there isn't any sort of damage. Killing one is just like pulling out a single strand of hair. The scene where Kyubey eats his corpse, and then comes in from the stairs in the script. I was trying to write Kyubey as something that humans can't relate to. Think like, "If your brother really died, what would your response be."<br />
<br />
>>47949220<br />
3 - Urobuchi: Even though it's a 1-cour broadcast period, there were a lot of things to chip away at. I keep thinking very hard about the developments in the next Madoka (note: this comment was made on 3/13)<br />
TL note: Cour = a Japanese TV season of 12-14 episodes.<br />
<br />
>>47949471<br />
4 - There's only half of the show remaining: It's a somewhat short story, so do the two of you think you would want to make a sequel (Madoka 2)?<br />
Shinbo: I've thought a lot about what to do if there were 2-cours, what would go into all 12 episodes. I think I could really expand the world from what we've made so far.<br />
<br />
>>47949703<br />
5 - Urobuchi: Thinking about ending the story cleanly, it's somewhat troublesome. If it were 2-cour, there might be the possibility to develop things with more breadth. But I'd be worried about what I would write as a continuation if this were the case. <br />
<br />
>>47950350<br />
6 Urobuchi: When I was writing the script, since the monster design and the visual design weren't completed, there was no decision on the fight scenes. So in the script I wrote, "In this scene 'She says this line while fighting," just a rough outline. At the time Mami's Finisher was called "Ultima Shoot" (laughs), but I thought that was really lame, so during recording I was translating it on the internet. I tried Spanish and Greek, and then finally decided on the Italian "Tiro Finale."<br />
<br />
>>47917408<br />
7 Shinbo: "In the anime, Sayaka didn't kill the two hosts."<br />
Urobuchi: "It can be interpreted as both ways in the scenario, so Hanokage-san interpreted it as if they're killed in her manga version."<br />
<br />
---<br />
[[File:Scan-1302630137379.jpg|thumb|150px]]<br />
Q - In future, do you think you want to do more original anime?<br><br />
Shinbo (S) - I have such thought, although I do not hate adapting anime from original works either.<br><br />
Q - Any idea of what you want to do?<br><br />
S - Not really. Mystery or something mysterious, and then Horror. But perhaps horror is not possible, because I have got to the point of not really watching much horror these days. And then I think perhaps it's good to have more mahou shoujo, but this time it is more slice-of-life and girl-next-door. I would like to try this different variation of mahou shoujo. And then there is also something like the world of Ikki Kajiwara. It may be interesting to do something like Ai to Makoto*, something that brings two polar opposite together.... But before that, I may need to do the second season of PMMM. If it is possible, I would definitely want to do that.<br><br />
<br />
* Ai to Makoto is a manga from 1973-1976 and was very popular in its days. It is about a well-bred girl from a very rich family crossing path with a juvenile delinquent boy. It was adapted into both tv drama and movies but I don't think there is anime adaptation.<br><br />
<br />
-- Alternative translation of the same interview:<br><br />
Q: From now on, do you want to make original works?<br><br />
Shinbo: Yeah, I have a feeling like this. Of course, it's not that I hate adapted works.<br><br />
<br />
Q: Do you have any ideas as to what you'd want to do next?<br><br />
Shinbo: Let's see. A detective in a strange story, maybe. And then, I'd like to do a horror anime. But it's getting harder and harder to do a horror anime. It doesn't seem like nowadays, many people want to watch a horror anime. And as for magical girls, I'd like to do a more slice-of-life anime. I think I'd like to try doing a different genre of magical girl anime. Also, I want to make something with a world like something Ikki Kajiwara would make. I think creating something as extreme as "Ai to Makoto"...oh, but before all that, I'd like to try for a second season of Madoka. (hahaha) If I could, I would definitely want to do it.<br><br />
<br />
== Post-earthquake tweets ==<br />
<br />
Not sure if relevant, but still interresting ...<br />
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note:otokomatsuri1=Yukihiro Miyamoto (series director of Madoka Magica)<br />
butch_gen=you should be able to find by yourself ...<br />
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--[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 19:28, 11 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Given it's relative popularity on Twitter, this section has been moved to the actual page. Feel free to remove it if you find it out of place. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 19:35, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Changed my mind, it really ''is'' out of place. Left it in comments just in case. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 19:41, 12 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I've reorganized the page a bit, it should be more fitting now. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 07:35, 15 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "MBS Broadcast Delay of Madoka" phone calls ==<br />
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The poster ID:oq9nsYz30 has only [http://hissi.org/read.php/anime/20110406/b3E5bnNZejMw.html exactly one post] made on that day (2ch randomize user ID every midnight); it's likely this one is a troll. Most likely 騎士ヴィスクエア, a famous troll in 2ch anime boards, who samefag on Madoka thread everyday using his mobile phone/P2 account/his PC, posting similar contents. I've removed it until there is any further proof on the topic. Original content is posted below. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 03:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Q:震災で休止された番組が続々放送されているがこの番組のみ長期の休止になった理由は何か<br /><br />
A:『震災の影響での休止である』と、それ以上のことはこちらには伝えられていない<br /><br />
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Q:長期の休止の理由が明確にされてないがそれはなぜか<br /><br />
A:不明。明確にされてないのは確かなので番組の担当に伝える<br /><br />
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Q:インターネットの配信も休止されているのはなぜか<br /><br />
A:不明。こちらには伝えられていない。該当の問い合わせ先に問い合わせてほしい<br /><br />
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Q:放送がこのままされない可能性はあるのか<br /><br />
A:不明。問い合わせセンターには2週間先の番組放映情報が伝えられているが、現時点でその番組は2週間先までは放送する予定に入ってない<br /><br />
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Q:衛星放送番組による後追い放送は行われているが休止が続いた場合、こちらが先に放送する可能性はあるのか<br /><br />
A:通常ならあり得ない。MBSにて放送される可能性がある現状のままだとMBSが1番に放送しないとインターネット配信も衛星放送もない<br /><br /><br />
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Q: The shows suspended due to the earthquake are now being aired one after another, but what's the reason for only this show being in long-term suspension?<br /><br />
A: We weren't told anything more than "it is on suspension due to the effects of the earthquake".<br /><br />
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Q: Why hasn't the reason for the long-term suspension been clarified?<br /><br />
A: Unknown. They tell the person in charge of the programming that it's certain that it hasn't been clarified.<br /><br />
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Q: Why is the internet distribution also suspended?<br /><br />
A: Unknown. We haven't been told why. I'd like you to inquire the correspondence for such.<br /><br />
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Q: Is it possible that it will remain like this and not be aired?<br /><br />
A: Unknown. Our inquiry center is told programming broadcast information two weeks ahead, but at this point, they have no plans to air the show in the next two weeks.<br /><br />
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Q: Shows broadcasted by satellite are aired after [regular broadcast], but in the case that the suspension continues, is it possible that they'll air it first?<br /><br />
A: Normally that's impossible. In the current state that it can be aired on MBS, if MBS doesn't air it first, internet distribution and satellite broadcast won't happen.<br /><br /><br />
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== Regarding the April Article of Megami ==<br />
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I just thought I'd like to add a note about ''Monster Hunter'' and its relevance to ''Madoka Magica''. ''Monster Hunter'' is a very popular video game series that revolves around the concept of (in one of the developers' own words) "hunting really big monsters with really big weapons;" this article lets us know that both Gen Urobuchi and Aoki Ume, apparently, are fans of the games!<br />
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While we can already see that almost all of the witches faced by the girls thus far are "really big," some of the girls' weapons also have analogues to weapons used in the series: Madoka has a [http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Bow_Weapon_Tree bow] (which, coincidentally, is one of the more difficult weapons to use), Mami has a [http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Heavy_Bowgun bowgun] (with the heavy bowgun being similar in heft to the gun that appears for her "Tiro Finale"), and Sayaka uses [http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Long_Sword long sword]-like attacks. It is worth noting that no spear- or chain-like weapons, such as Kyouko's, exist in the series yet. [[Special:Contributions/64.89.144.100|64.89.144.100]] 03:03, 11 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure how this is relevant. I mean you are basically saying "because the monsters are really big and the game has swords, bows and bowguns, clearly this series is inspired by Monster Hunter". Well, okay. I mean. What about all those really really really old stories about man besting dragons? Or heading down the same path, clearly Madoka is an homage to Megaman Zero. Zero's basic weapon is a sword (Sayaka), but he also gets a shield (Homura), a variety of guns/busters (Mami) and a spear+whip combo (Kyouko). He doesn't get a bow, but that's alright, because Madoka is also the only magical girl not to actually be a magical girl in the series! But wait it doesn't stop there. Zero battles Mavericks, which like him, used to be Reploids (disregarding the fact Zero is a speshul flower), most of which are bigger than him, some of which have giant monster forms as well. TL;DR: you can make a series analogous to any other series with just a bit of brain juice and enough effort. I'm not trying to be a jerk, just pointing out that if we start tagging every single series that is similar to Madoka based on very very loose tropes like their weapons or colors, we'll be here all night. Case in point, did you notice the six primary characters of Madoka (IE magical girls + Hitomi) match the colors of the original six Power Rangers? SPECULAH: HITOMI AS GREEN RANGER.<br />
::Actually, he's saying "because Urobuchi explicitly said he was inspired by Monster Hunter in an interview, clearly this series is inspired by Monster Hunter." [[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:April_2011_article_part_2.png]]<br />
:::That's what I meant. (I'm a "she," coincidentally, but that's a minor detail.) Since Urobuchi mentioned his and Aoki Ume's love of ''Monster Hunter'', I thought it would be interesting to look into the series and pick out what might be influences from the games. (Of course, I also wanted to pimp out the games, too, but that's ''also'' a minor detail.) [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 18:31, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Translated Post-Series Documents ==<br />
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I've seen some stuff floating on /a/, namely a translated picture of the design behind Homura's 'wings' as well as Demons. No doubt, we're gonna be getting some Word of God possibly explaining or detailing the final two episodes, as well.<br />
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Could we make sure to upload it here and have it translated, when and if any crops up? Sadly I've lost the page I'm talking about up there, but I'm sure someone saved it.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Walpurgis_Night_In_Real_Life&diff=9727Walpurgis Night In Real Life2011-04-23T04:36:50Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* In Episode 11 */</p>
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This article is a compilation of historical, mythological, and literary information concerning {{nihongo|[[wikipedia:Walpurgis_Night|Walpurgisnacht]]|ワルプルギスの夜|Warupurugisu no Yoru|Night of Walpurgis}}, a term first mentioned by [[Homura Akemi|Homura]] in [[Episode 6]]. Any speculation regarding this subject should be archived here as well.<br />
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==Usage of the Term in Canon==<br />
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===In Episode 6===<br />
During the arcade scene, [[Homura Akemi|Homura]] mentions "Walpurgisnacht," which is the name of a northern European Spring Festival also called "The Night of the Witches."<br />
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{{Translation<br />
|japanese = ほむら: 「2週間後、この街に『ワルプルギスの夜』が来る。『そいつ』さえ倒せたら、私はこの街を出てゆく。」<br />
|english = Homura: "In two weeks, 'Walpurgisnacht' is coming to this town. Once I defeat 'it,' I'll leave." <br />
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For clarification, 「そいつ」 -- rendered here in English as 'it' -- is a pronoun that usually refers to a person, and Kyouko's response to Homura made it clear that what was being referred to could be 'defeated.' Prior to the broadcast of Episode 9, it was unclear if the pronoun used specifically refereed to Walpurgisnacht, or whether the term Walpurgisnacht referred to an event or a being (a witch?). <br />
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===In Episode 8===<br />
Documents regarding Walpurgisnacht on display in Homura's apartment contain imagery that strongly resembles the [[Witch from the dream in episode one|Witch from Episode 1]]. These are provided as screencaps below. For more information, please refer to [[Homura_Residence|Homura's residence page]].<br />
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===In Episode 9===<br />
[[Kyouko Sakura]] confirms that "Walpurgis" is in fact "the Strongest Witch." It might be that "Walpurgisnacht" is the name given to the time of its manifestation, or simply its full name.<br/><br />
The day before episode 10 aired, it has been confirmed on the official website that it is actually a witch (see below)<br />
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===In Episode 10===<br />
There is now visual, undeniable proof that Walpurgis Night is in fact [[Witch from the dream in episode one|the witch from the dream in the first episode]]. It is an extremely powerful witch neither Madoka nor Homura managed to defeat ever (well... "almost ever" if you want to be picky).<br />
*Except not. In every timeline Walpurgis Night is defeated, but it always involves the death of Madoka in doing so, either through her literally dying in the fight, or through becoming a witch afterward from depleting her magic. More of a pyrrhic victory than a victory, though. It just so happens that Walpurgis Night's defeat always ends up in there being a worst witch than it afterward or Madoka's death.<br />
*Also, Mitakihara Town has always been shown to be in complete ruins after Walpurgis's defeats, suggesting that Madoka never succeeded in fulfilling her (presumable) goal -- that is, to protect the population from Walpurgis.<br />
**It's possible the ruined city is just Walpurgis Night's barrier, a theory not refutable by saying the city is still ruined after the fight because we know barriers can keep existing for a little while after the witch is beaten.<br />
**Actually, not just that, but so far we've been made to believe that witches can't affect the physical world beyond sucking humans into their barriers or affecting them psychologically (ie suicide, murder, etc). Walpurgis Night would then either be the first witch to bypass this by wrecking the city outright (unlikely) or the ruined city is just its barrier. If it has such a barrier, it could be guessed that Walpurgis Night is the witch of ruin, its gears representing the slow but certain progress of time ever forward toward inevitable destruction.<br />
***Kyubey mentions that [[Kriemhild Gretchen]] can "obliterate the planet within ten days," though, so it ''is'' possible that very powerful witches can cause damage on both the mental and physical levels. (Unless, of course, Kyubey was speaking in metaphor and was just referring to the total loss of life that would occur when Kriemhild gathered everything into her barrier. The world would be empty of life, but technically would still be intact!) Walpurgis's apparent ability to migrate is suspect, as well, since we've always been told that it is "coming" to the city, not that it is going to be born in it; if it can indeed move through the physical world, then it can possibly affect it directly.<br />
****Walpurgis Night wouldn't be the first witch to migrate. Sayaka's witch form changed her location after transforming, then there's Mami's whole explanation about how they have to track down witches before taking them down, and that familiar that Sayaka was fighting before Kyouko interrupted: it escaped off to somewhere else. It's possible a witch the size of Walpurgis Night can be tracked more easily so you can vaguely know it's coming without knowing when exactly. (This would reinforce Kyubey saying that it's hard to predict exactly when Walpurgis Night will arrive, meaning he at least knows it's coming as well. Then again, Kyubey being Kyubey...)<br />
*Mami mentions that the Walpurgis Night is coming in the first timeline, suggesting there might be some way of knowing when one will appear.<br />
*Walpurgis Night has no Grief Seed. Why this is the case is unknown.<br />
** It's more that one is not seen dropped when it is defeated. This suggests one of the following: It doesn't have a Grief Seed, it has a Grief Seed but never drops it after being defeated, it can drop a Grief Seed but it's always destroyed as a result of the battle, or that it did drop a Grief Seed but it was not somewhere Madoka or Homura could have easily gotten to (for example, it could have been blown several miles away, or even as far as the next town).<br />
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=== In Episode 11 ===<br />
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Homura confirmed that Walpurgis Night is a witch that doesn't need a barrier to appear. Its appearance itself would cause hundreds of casualties.<br />
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This episode also confirms (or partially confirms) that Walpurgis Night is named after the actual 'festival' it represents, and while it doesn't have a barrier outright, around the spot where it appears can be found a festival-like gathering of familiars. Whether it is an actual gathering of witches or just themed after the historical gathering is up in the air, but some of its familiars did appear to be similar to the magical girl forms of some witches.<br />
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==Literary & Historical Background==<br />
[[File:Paul Klee Walpurgis Night.jpg|200px|thumb|Paul Klee's "Walpurgisnacht"]]<br />
===Walpurgis Night in Real Life===<br />
'''Walpurgis Night''' (Walpurgisnacht) is a traditional spring festival on 30 April or 1 May in large parts of Central and Northern Europe. Its celebration is associated with dancing and bonfires.<br />
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The current festival is, in most countries that celebrate it, named after [[wikipedia:Saint Walburga|Saint Walburga]] (ca. 710-777/9). As Walburga was canonized on 1 May (ca. 870), she became associated with May Day, especially in the Finnish and Swedish calendars. The eve of May Day, traditionally celebrated with dancing, came to be known as Walpurgisnacht ("Walpurga's night"). The German term is recorded in the 17th century, e.g. by Johannes Praetorius (1668), as S. Walpurgis Nacht or S. Walpurgis Abend. In earlier references, the first of May is more typically referred to as Jacobi Philippi (after James the Less and Philip, the apostles whose feast day falls on 1 May), e.g. in the Calendarium Perpetuum by Johannes Coler. The 17th century German belief that a meeting of sorcerers and witches is held on May Day is influenced by the descriptions of Witches' Sabbaths in 15th and 16th century literature.<br />
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===In Goethe's Faust===<br />
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====Walpurgisnacht====<br />
[[wikipedia:Johann Wolfgang von Goethe|Goethe]]'s [[wikipedia:Faust,_Part_1|Faust Part I]] contains a scene called "Walpurgisnachtstraum" (the name in brackets is the equivalent character in the anime):<br />
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Mephistopheles [Kyubey] notices that Faust's [Homura] relation to him is getting lose because of Faust´s love to Gretchen [Madoka] (a woman Faust made pregnant). He tries to get him motivated again by promising him a fantastic event on the Hexenberg (witch´s mountain). Meanwhile, Gretchen snaps and kills her baby. The event promised by Mephisto is the following: <br />
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One the night between April 30 and May 1, the witches meet the devil on the mountain. Faust decides to climb the mountain too, because he thinks he'd be able to solve some riddles there, but Mephisto made him dance with a witch instead. The dance comes to an end when a red mouse falls from the mouth of the witch, and a pretty child appear with a red cord around her neck. This reminds Faust of Gretchen, who has been condemned to death for drowning her child.<br />
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To distract Faust from his feeling of culpability, Mephistopheles then bring him to a hill where a play should be shown.<br />
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====Classical Walpurgisnacht====<br />
In Act II of [[wikipedia:Faust,_Part_2|Faust Part II]], Mephistopheles transports the unconscious Faust into his old study. Mephistopheles, donning Faust's robe once again, resumes his conversation with the freshman, who is now a cynical baccalaurus. An artificial human made by Faust's former famulus, Wagner, by means of an alchemical process, the Homunculus, leads Faust and Mephistopheles to the "Classical Walpurgisnacht", where they encounter gods and monsters from Greek antiquity. Faust, still searching for Helen, is led by the sybil Manto into the Underworld. Mephistopheles, meanwhile, meets the Phorkyads, the hideous three-headed daughters of Night, into whose shape he transforms himself. Guided by the sea-god Proteus, the Homunculus is initiated into the process of becoming fully human.<br />
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===Paul Klee's painting===<br />
The German artist [[Wikipedia:Paul Klee|Paul Klee]] made in 1935 a painting called "Walpurgisnacht". As stated in [[Episode_8#Observations|the page for Episode 8]], many fans found that this painting bears similarities with Sayaka's transformation sequence. Whether this is intentional or not is still unknown.<br />
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==Trivia & Minor References==<br />
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* The exterior view of Homura's residence resembles a scene from [[wikipedia:Shadow_of_Memories|''Shadow of Memories'']] (Shadow of Destiny for North America). Interestingly, it went through several title changes before release, among them The Day and Night of Walpurgisnacht, Days of Walpurgis, and Time Adventure.<br />
* It looks like Homura might be tracking down several other magical girls to figure out which one of them becomes Walpurgis Night. Either that, or she is trying to figure out what she might look like. But the visuals she has depict several magical girl appearances. <br />
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==Speculation==<br />
* It is possible that Walpurgis Night is a fusion of multiple witches into a single powerful entity. This is supported by Walpurgis Night in both real-world belief and Faust being a witch's gathering - in this case the witches are gathering into one entity. The magical girl silhouettes in Homura's room can be interpreted as Homura not tracking down one magical girl that becomes Walpurgis, but rather all of the magical girls that become Walpurgis. The Paul Klee painting, assuming it has relevance, does seem to depict several witches fused together.<br />
** One of the pictures in Homura's room is of two lines of female silhouettes holding hands and dancing. In between the two lines is the word "Walpurgisnacht". Perhaps they're doing a fusion dance?<br />
*** This theory is strangely sound, since the basis of Walpurgis Night is a gathering of witches. This could mean that Walpurgis Night could be a mash-up of many witches, thus creating a super-witch.<br />
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==References==<br />
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===Official Website===<br />
The entry on [http://www.madoka-magica.com/special/keyword/walpurgisnight.html the official website's] states the following:<br />
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{{Translation<br />
|japanese = 単独の魔法少女では対処しきれない超大型の魔女。<br />
|english = A gargantuan witch impossible for a single magical girl to handle on her own.<br />
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===Japanese Madoka Wiki===<br />
The entry on Walpurgisnacht on the [http://www22.atwiki.jp/madoka-magica/pages/19.html#id_c4365625 Japanese wiki] states the following:<br />
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{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="1" style="border-collapse: collapse; border-color: #ddd; width: 640px;"<br />
! style="text-align: right; width: 50%; background: #efefef;"|Original text<br />
! style="text-align: left; width: 50%; background: #efefef;"|Translation<br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right; line-height: 160%; vertical-align: top;"|ワルプルギスの夜<br />
|Walpurgis Night<br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right; line-height: 160%; vertical-align: top;"|第6話にてほむらが2週間後に来ると告げた物。<br />
|Homura announced in Episode 6 that it would come 2 weeks later<br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right; line-height: 160%; vertical-align: top;"|現時点では現象なのか敵の名前なのかも不明。<br />
|At this point, it is still unclear whether it is the name of an event or an enemy<br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right; line-height: 160%; vertical-align: top;"|語感からすると現象だが「そいつ」「倒す」「勝つ」などと言われてたことより敵の名前なのかもしれない。ワルプルギスの夜に現れる敵を仮定して言っていたのかもしれないが。<br />
|The sense of the word would make it a phenomenon, but words such as "to defeat", or "to win" could also refer to an enemy. It might also be possible that enemies appear during Walpurgis Night.<br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right; line-height: 160%; vertical-align: top;"|すでに命名がされており、「二人でなら倒せるかもしれない」などという何らかの前提情報が存在するため、今回が初めてではなく過去に例がある現象であると思われる。<br />
|As the information exists that "Perhaps it can be defeated by two people" (spoken by Kyouko), it is plausible to presume that Walpurgisnacht has appeared or occurred in the past, and that this current manifestation is not a first.<br />
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| style="text-align: right; line-height: 160%; vertical-align: top;"|実際にはヨーロッパで広く知られてる魔女と死者のお祭り。日本でいうお盆のような物。<br />
|In real-life, it is a widespread European festival for witches and deceased. It is similar to the Japanese O-Bon festival.<br />
|}<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_night#See_also Walpurgis Night on Wikipedia]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust:_The_First_Part_of_the_Tragedy#Gretchen.27s_Tragedy Wikipedia page about Faust part. I]<br />
*[http://www.readcentral.com/chapters/Johann-Wolfgang-Von-Goethe/Faust-Part-1/026 Faust Part. I, Scene XXI (Walpurgis Night) in English]<br />
*[http://www.readcentral.com/chapters/Johann-Wolfgang-Von-Goethe/Faust-Part-1/027 Faust Part. I, Scene XXII (Walpurgis Night's Dream) in English]<br />
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[[Category:Fanmade analysis]]</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Madoka_Magica_Episode_12:_My_Very_Best_Friend&diff=9638Talk:Madoka Magica Episode 12: My Very Best Friend2011-04-23T00:07:04Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>== Spoilers ==<br />
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Do we keep spoilering everything that isn't broadcast information, or do we just put a big spoiler alert at the top of the page and un-spoiler everything? 'cause I think it's gonna end up pretty much as a black page soon seeing how it goes ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 09:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Part of me wants to say 'if you're browsing wiki articles on a series you haven't finished watching, you're asking for trouble unless you know exactly what you're looking for and don't accidentally end up on spoiler filled pages'. The other part wants to say that tagging spoilers is the only polite way to do it.<br />
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Someone needs to add the mahou shoujo from all over the world to the page, because the world needs more moeviking.<br />
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== Witches ==<br />
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"Cleopatra (Roberta) and Joan d'arc (Elsa Maria) were magical girls. ...perhaps Anne Frank too?"<br />
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Well, I think it's possible that Roberta was Cleopatra and Joan d'Arc was Elsa Maria ... but is this official information? Sounds like speculah to me. [[User:Keksus|Keksus]] 15:46, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Something's going on with this page ==<br />
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[http://wiki.puella-magi.net/index.php?title=Episode_12&curid=1498&diff=9630&oldid=9628| In this edit], I merely added a picture, but it ended up deleting a bunch of unrelated stuff as well, for some reason. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 23:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Homura's 'New Weapon/Wish' ==<br />
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Her shield ran out of sand, which as you know, means that it can't stop time anymore until she resets the timeline. Furthermore, her shield outright disappeared when Madoka did that... thing with the breaking of reality, but her magical girl clothes did not. Therefore:<br />
1) Maybe she chooses not to use the shield anymore, since without sand, it's nothing but a hunk of steel attached to her arm; this would also imply it's either impossible to reset the timeline and get more sand, or that doing so would really not fix anything so she's not bothering.<br />
2) Maybe she chooses not to use the shield anymore out of respect for Madoka and upholds her memory with the bow/arrow combo, an ability granted to her when Madoka fixed her Soul Gem and gave her her ribbon.<br />
3) Maybe she did in fact make a new wish in this timeline.<br />
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One thing to keep in mind is that Homura likely would NOT have a new wish to make (or probably would not have WANTED to make a new wish, knowing it's still a mess), so it's more likely that her wish is still the same and she exists 'beyond spacetime' like she did in all of the timelines but the first. In this case theories 1 and 2 are more likely.<br />
It's also very obvious that Homura remembers the events of the past and Madoka, and therefore couldn't have been reset into making a new wish.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Madoka_Magica_Episode_12:_My_Very_Best_Friend&diff=9598Madoka Magica Episode 12: My Very Best Friend2011-04-22T22:32:13Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Speculations */</p>
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<div>{{Infobox_episode<br />
|name = My Best Friend<br />
|jname = わたしの、最高の友達<br />
|script = [[Gen Urobuchi]]<br />
|storyboard = Shinsaku Sasaki<br />
|director = Yukihiro Miyamoto<br />
|adirector = Jun'ichirō Taniguchi<br />Mika Takahashi<br />
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== Summary ==<br />
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The episode starts with Madoka finally [[Wish_theories#Madoka.27s_Wish|making her wish]]: {{spoiler|"I wish to erase all witches from existence before they're even born. Every witch in the universe, from the past and the future, with my own hands"}}. As promised by Kyubey, her wish is granted and she becomes a goddess, breaking Incubator's system at the same time. The next half of the episode is an in-depth animation of said transformation.<br />
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The first sequence is a short discussion with [[Kyouko]] and [[Mami]]: Mami warns Madoka of the consequences of her wish, while Kyouko encourages her in her usual forceful way. Madoka is then seen travelling through space and time, healing defeated Magical Girls (among which we can see historical figures such as [[:File:Ep12 Anne Franck.jpg|Anne Franck]], [[:File:Ep12 Cleopatra.jpg|Cleopatra]] and [[:File:Ep12 joan of arc.jpg|Joan of Arc]]).<br />
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The consequence of her becoming a Magical Girl follows pretty soon: due to her wish, the laws of nature have altered, and the old world will be put to an end in order for a new one to take its place. Homura witnesses the Earth being swallowed in despair from the moon, where she also sees Madoka's soul gem, the size of an asteroid, travelling through space.<br />
The cosmic sequence continues with Madoka losing her nature as a human being to become a force of nature, detached from mankind; however, she is now suspended in interdimensional space, in contact with everyone and everything. After a sequence full of implications, she finally parts with a tearful Homura, giving her her ribbons as a souvenir, promising that they may meet again.<br />
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The scene cuts to an audition where Kyousuke is playing. In two of the seats are the spirits of Madoka and Sayaka. Madoka apologizes for causing Sayaka trouble, and says that she believes her sacrifices were not in vain. Sayaka responds that she only wanted to hear Kyousuke play one last time, as many more would come to see him in many years to come; she states that she has no regrets and that she believes Hitomi (who is hiding behind the curtain watching the performance) and Kyousuke will be a happy couple. The two get up and depart, and the scene cuts to Kyousuke as a famous violinist; as the audience applauds for him, he is struck by a memory of the hospital and says Sayaka's name.<br />
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Mami, Kyouko, now alive, fight a creature (revealed later to be a "demon"), and find that Sayaka had used the last of her magic to help Kyousuke, disappearing. Mami reflects on how the fate of a magical girl is to disappear before they can cause grief; Homura, wearing the ribbon thinking of Madoka, says her name and starts crying, and it is revealed that nobody in this world remembers Madoka but her. Homura later sees Tatsuya drawing a picture of Madoka in the sand; she talks to Madoka's parents and find that they also have no memory of their daughter, though she seems to manifest as Tatsuya's imaginary friend. Junko comments that the name Madoka feels nostalgic.<br />
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Homura then discusses her story with Kyubey, who says that it's possible everything Homura went through could be her imagination, and there would be no way to prove otherwise. However, he remarks, the concept of harvesting witches for energy would be more efficient than the new method: because there is still grief in the world, it manifests in the form of demons that the magical girls must fight; these demons also drop cube-shaped pieces much like Grief Seeds. Homura reflects on the world, thinking that this corrupted, grief-filled world is what Madoka seeked to protect, but she will never forget that. She then leaps on the demons, extending wings of light and carrying a bow and arrow.<br />
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After the credits, Homura walks through what looks like either a wasteland or a barrier towards a bunch of demons. Black wings sprout from her back, with distorted images that look like those of a witch's barrier; Madoka's voice encourage her, and Homura springs upon them to fight.<br />
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And with [[:File:Madoka Christ.jpg|some hopeful words]], Puella Magi Madoka Magica [[Runes:Episode_12|comes to an end]].<br />
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== Runes ==<br />
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See [[Runes:Episode 12|Runes of episode 12]]<br />
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== Observations ==<br />
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* Once again, this episode used [[Connect]] as an ending song. However, there was no animation sequence, as instead the credits rolled in black on a white background.<br />
** This episode doesn't have a proper opening either.<br />
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*This episode ends with a squence which shows first the back of Madoka, Kyouko, Sayaka, Homura and Mami followed by the silhouettes of all Puella Magi which appeared in the anime. Even those which were only shown in their witch form´s. After that Madoka´s ribbon falls and Madoka´s soul gem is shown for a second.<br />
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* {{spoiler|According with some fans the end of Episode 12 is considered a Lain ending. Madoka is the Jesus figure, Homura is her prophet, and Kyuubei is the Devil (analogous to the Temptation of Christ). Others have dubbed the ending a "Reverse Evangelion" ending. In Evangelion, all of humanity becomes a higher being except the protagonist(s), while, in Madoka's ending, the protagonist becomes a higher being while everyone else maintains a regular existence.}}<br />
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*{{spoiler|Even if there are no witches in the world the Puella Magi have to fight against demons now. Therefore Kyuubey still can gain energy to fight against entropy}}<br />
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*{{spoiler|The Incubators have been on the earth since the stone ages. Without them granting girls wishes, humans would still live in caves}}<br />
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*{{spoiler|Madoka has changed the laws of the universe thus changing the Puella Magi system and humanity's relationship with Incubators: Witches do not exist on that world as spent Soul Gems disappear mysteriously before they can curse the world. But curses continue to haunt humanity in the form of Magical Beasts that no one knows where they are coming from, it is the role of Puella Magi to defeat these monsters to gather the curses to be harvested to slow the effects of entropy (once defeated, these new monsters become cubic fragments that can also be used to purify Soul Gems). Puella Magi who overexert their magical powers will die (or disappear) so they must use the dark cubes to purify their Soul Gems before that happens. And apparently Homura and Kyuubei have a better relationship on this new reality because of the new nature of the universe. Since Incubators cannot harvest Grief Seeds (as they do not exist), they cannot also harvest despair for it has no effect on fixing entropy (Kyuubei admits that if it was the opposite, the nature of Incubators would be totally different), so it seems that Puella Magi wont have to worry about the consequences of emotional distress.}}<br />
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=== Production errors ===<br />
Even though Shaft had an extra month to check the quality of the episodes, the TV broadcast had at least one production error<br />
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File:Six-fingered Homura.jpg|Don't you see anything wrong here?<br />
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== Speculations ==<br />
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*{{spoiler|Cleopatra (Roberta) and Joan d'arc (Elsa Maria) were magical girls. ...perhaps Anne Frank too? }}<br />
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*{{spoiler|There are many speculations regarding the ending. One camp says that we are seeing Homura in an apocalyptic future after a thousand years has passed (the actual year is unknown and this is a guess), but it is possible that Homura is actually inside a barrier so this idea could be incorrect. Another observation believes that Homura is about to die because she can feel Madoka's presence and hear her voice as Madoka has come for Homura's Soul Gem before it can cause harm on the world. There is also speculation that Homura is carrying Madoka's spirit with her as noticed by the strange wings she possesses and her new magical weapon that is the bow (similar to Madoka's magical weapon). Some suggest that the epilogue was left open ended for the possibility for a second season or maybe a new series.}}<br />
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*{{spoiler|According with fans Madoka has become a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva Bodhisattva]. She is not a deity but a person who could become a Buddha but chooses not to to help others attain Nirvana. Another way to see it is that Madoka has become the guardian angel of Puella Magi collecting their Soul Gems to be purified so she can led them to Paradise (her white wings makes her look like an Arch Angel)}}<br />
:{{spoiler|The word you're looking for is valkyrie, not guardian angel.}}<br />
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==Platonic Love or Yuri End?==<br />
[[File:Yuri evidence madoka.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The Yuri subtext is strong on this one]]<br />
Just like the ending with Kyouko and Sayaka, there is speculation with fans regarding Homura's relationship with Madoka and her willingness to sacrifice it all for her. {{spoiler|On this new world Sayaka dies but she has no regrets, and Kyouko laments her death just when they have became friends (fans have interpreted this in many ways).}}<br />
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In Episode 10, we learn that Homura was willing to create new timelines for all eternity just for Madoka. {{Spoiler|But once she learns that each new time line she creates only makes Madoka's fate into becoming a witch stronger Homura starts to have doubts but also makes her more resolute into saving Madoka from her fate. Kyuubei contest that Homura's hope is a trap and it is only a matter of time before despair consumes her. In Episode 11 Homura and Madoka have a conversation in which Homura confesses everything to Madoka, she even professes her love for her and how important Madoka is to her (this have been interpreted as a love confession, others see it as a strong bond of friendship). At the end of Episode 11, Homura is tempted to travel back again for a do over, but she stops and gives up, she knows that it was Homura's fault that Madoka carries such a heavy cosmic karma and the odds are against Homura on getting the right ending. She realizes that the more she travels back in time the more certain it is that she will fail as Homura has created a powerful reservoir of despair energies from different timelines concentrating on Madoka. To end Madoka's suffering and her own, Homura was close in becoming a witch as she was drowning in despair from her realization that her mission was hopeless. But Madoka stops her and tells her to never stop hoping.}}<br />
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{{Spoiler|Once Madoka defeats her own Witch version she causes a paradox, Madoka has become a deity of sorts but at the cost that Madoka the person ceases to exist in her world. Homura is not happy with this outcome but Madoka promises to Homura that she will always be there for her, that she hopes that one day they would meet again.}}<br />
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File:KnM Madoka ver.jpg|Similarities between Kannazuki no Miko and Madoka<br />
File:Homumado ep 12.jpg|<br />
File:Wewillmeetagain.jpg|<br />
File:Lilies.jpg|Lili petals, cant get more yuri than that<br />
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==The New World==<br />
The new world is the same as the old but with few changes, {{spoiler|there are no more witches, Puella Magis dont become witches when they die, and despair wont change Puella Magi into witches. The whole Puella Magi system used to collect energy to stop entropy has been altered. Now Puella Magis are girls of justice fighting Magical Beasts to stop spreading curses (and conveniently those curses can be altered as dark energy cubes to recharge Soul Gems and slow down entropy). Madoka has become a deity whose role is to collect and purify spent Soul Gems before they become Grief Seeds allowing girls to die without cursing the world. Madoka now shoulders the burdens <u>of Puella Magis</u> but not of the world, which is why Curses are plaguing the world because human nature has not been altered as it remains the same (Puella Magis can still die or disappear, but this is a result of girls using too much magic before they can recharge, not as a result of despair). The issue of entropy has not been fixed but the new system solves it without sacrificing the soul of girls or forcing them into a system that will cause them despair and regret. Because of these new changes the relationship between humans and Incubators have been radically altered (for one, they are more friendly. But how radical is the change in Incubators, we can only speculate).}}<br />
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== Initial broadcast and delays ==<br />
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This episode was scheduled to air on 24 March 2011 but has been pulled due to the [[Wikipedia:2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami|2011 Sendai earthquake and tsunami]]. On April 10, 2011 it was announced that Madoka was scheduled to resume its broadcasting [http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/news/2011-04-10/madoka-magica-anime-to-resume-on-april-21 on the 21 of April 2011] and it would air the last two episodes back-to-back.<br />
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*MBS (Kansai area): 11th & 12th episodes on Thursday, April 21 at 26:40 (effectively Friday, April 22 at 2:40 a.m.) <br />
*TBS (Tokyo's Kanto area): 10th, 11th, and 12th episodes on Thursday, April 21 at 27:00 (Friday, April 22 at 3:00 a.m.) TBS had preempted its airing of the 10th episode due to its news coverage of the earthquake. <br />
*CBC (central Japan): 10th, 11th, and 12th episodes on Sunday, April 24 at 26:45 (Monday, April 25 at 2:45 a.m.). <br />
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*{{spoiler|The fact that this episode aired during Good Friday, and the similarity between both events, led to jokes and far-fetched speculation from the fanbase.}}<br />
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== Images ==<br />
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File:Madoka Christ.jpg|Accept Madoka into your heart, for she has died for our sins.<br />
File:HiymV.jpg|from 4chan<br />
File:Madoka 12 goddess.jpg|Remember kids, Jesus Madoka died for our sins.<br><br>Our prophet is Homura, she is our leader and our Saviour.<br><br>Join the Church of Madoka now.<br />
File:Thank you for watching the end.jpg|Thank you for watching<br />
File:KnM Madoka ver.jpg|Similarities between Kannazuki no Miko and Madoka<br />
File:Madoka magiccircle.jpg|The magic circle (?) that Madoka shoots to destroy witches.<br />
File:Puellamagis.png|All the Puella Magis of the show, even the girls that only was shown as witches<br />
File:MadokaAndAnthony.png|Madoka petting an Anthony <br />
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== See also ==<br />
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[http://imperialx.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/madoka-doesnt-need-a-sequel-to-explain-itself/ A FAQ about the ending]<br />
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[[Category:Episodes|Episodes B]]<!--Second next to 9--></div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Speculah_talk:Prior_Lives_of_Witches&diff=9563Speculah talk:Prior Lives of Witches2011-04-22T21:46:49Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Roberta discussion */</p>
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<div>== Roberta discussion ==<br />
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Keep the discussion here, and the thread with proper statements for each point, only. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:46, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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The main strike against this theory is that if Mami transformed into a witch in that timeline, she wouldn't have lost her head against Charlotte. <br />
:It could be seen as the fact that Mami doesn't have a very solid head on her shoulders, or maybe the witch's head as just hidden from sight behind the cage.<br />
::Mami has a ''very'' solid head on her shoulders, as indicated by her fortitude and ability to withstand transforming into a witch for several years. Her attempt to kill the other girls in the third timeline, widely interpreted as an act of insanity, could actually be seen as a "solid-headed" decision: in order to prevent the other girls and herself from becoming Witches (and thus a threat to the people she wants to protect), Mami tries to quickly and painlessly end their lives. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Most people would call what she did 'snapping in the face of the truth'. It's generally the opposite of having a solid head if you don't have the ability to think things through before doing them after a harsh revelation.<br />
::::She could have been thinking it through the whole battle with Oktavia -- assuming that they found out before the battle, rather than during it. Looking at the [[Population dynamics]] page, and considering Mami's dedication to protecting others even at the cost of her own well-being (she always kills familiars rather than let them grow into witches, which means less Grief Seeds to cleanse her Soul Gem), killing the other girls and herself really does seem like a rational -- but cruel -- decision. (It was not the best decision, but what else do you do when you have little time and the guy pulling the strings is invincible?) To be honest, if Mami wasn't crying and shouting during that scene, most people probably wouldn't think she had snapped. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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The official description of the witch also seems to contradict this theory, suggesting instead a party girl who desired attention from others.<br />
:Mami made her magical girl stuff flashy and attention-seeking. I don't think that particular line debunks the theory entirely.<br />
::However, we aren't given any reason to believe that Mami was an alcoholic (as the card suggests Roberta was) or received lots of unwanted attention from men. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::While the alcohol is unlikely (unless she spikes that tea and it was in our face all along) then yeah, that's unlikely. Though with the focus on her chest, attention from men must be a given.<br />
::::Interestingly, Roberta's ''legs'' are emphasized, with her upper body cut out entirely. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::If Mami was spiking her tea, then she was quite the drinker, she did it all the time and never even got a bit weewee.<br />
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Hello! I was bored, sitting in a room talking with friends, and made this: http://i53.tinypic.com/30cpvns.png<br />
Some of them are shots in the dark (Albertine is based on the twintails of her minion, Roberta is based on the legwear being different on each leg, Gisela is based on that airpin and long sleeves, etc), but I thought they might interest people.<br />
:I suggest you join the discussion [[File talk:Puellamagis.png|here]] then; we're trying to figure out who's who too, and hearing from research on your side might help --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 21:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Sadly there wasn't really any research beyond trying to find visual cues. Feel free to link to/use the image to give inspiration and whatnot!</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Speculah_talk:Prior_Lives_of_Witches&diff=9555Speculah talk:Prior Lives of Witches2011-04-22T21:34:38Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>== Roberta discussion ==<br />
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Keep the discussion here, and the thread with proper statements for each point, only. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 00:46, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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The main strike against this theory is that if Mami transformed into a witch in that timeline, she wouldn't have lost her head against Charlotte. <br />
:It could be seen as the fact that Mami doesn't have a very solid head on her shoulders, or maybe the witch's head as just hidden from sight behind the cage.<br />
::Mami has a ''very'' solid head on her shoulders, as indicated by her fortitude and ability to withstand transforming into a witch for several years. Her attempt to kill the other girls in the third timeline, widely interpreted as an act of insanity, could actually be seen as a "solid-headed" decision: in order to prevent the other girls and herself from becoming Witches (and thus a threat to the people she wants to protect), Mami tries to quickly and painlessly end their lives. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Most people would call what she did 'snapping in the face of the truth'. It's generally the opposite of having a solid head if you don't have the ability to think things through before doing them after a harsh revelation.<br />
::::She could have been thinking it through the whole battle with Oktavia -- assuming that they found out before the battle, rather than during it. Looking at the [[Population dynamics]] page, and considering Mami's dedication to protecting others even at the cost of her own well-being (she always kills familiars rather than let them grow into witches, which means less Grief Seeds to cleanse her Soul Gem), killing the other girls and herself really does seem like a rational -- but cruel -- decision. (It was not the best decision, but what else do you do when you have little time and the guy pulling the strings is invincible?) To be honest, if Mami wasn't crying and shouting during that scene, most people probably wouldn't think she had snapped. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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The official description of the witch also seems to contradict this theory, suggesting instead a party girl who desired attention from others.<br />
:Mami made her magical girl stuff flashy and attention-seeking. I don't think that particular line debunks the theory entirely.<br />
::However, we aren't given any reason to believe that Mami was an alcoholic (as the card suggests Roberta was) or received lots of unwanted attention from men. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::While the alcohol is unlikely (unless she spikes that tea and it was in our face all along) then yeah, that's unlikely. Though with the focus on her chest, attention from men must be a given.<br />
::::Interestingly, Roberta's ''legs'' are emphasized, with her upper body cut out entirely. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 01:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::If Mami was spiking her tea, then she was quite the drinker, she did it all the time and never even got a bit weewee.<br />
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Hello! I was bored, sitting in a room talking with friends, and made this: http://i53.tinypic.com/30cpvns.png<br />
Some of them are shots in the dark (Albertine is based on the twintails of her minion, Roberta is based on the legwear being different on each leg, Gisela is based on that airpin and long sleeves, etc), but I thought they might interest people.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Madoka_Magica_Episode_12:_My_Very_Best_Friend&diff=9417Talk:Madoka Magica Episode 12: My Very Best Friend2011-04-22T10:29:31Z<p>70.81.159.144: /* Spoilers */</p>
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<div>== Spoilers ==<br />
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Do we keep spoilering everything that isn't broadcast information, or do we just put a big spoiler alert at the top of the page and un-spoiler everything? 'cause I think it's gonna end up pretty much as a black page soon seeing how it goes ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 09:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Part of me wants to say 'if you're browsing wiki articles on a series you haven't finished watching, you're asking for trouble unless you know exactly what you're looking for and don't accidentally end up on spoiler filled pages'. The other part wants to say that tagging spoilers is the only polite way to do it.</div>70.81.159.144https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homura_Akemi&diff=9331Talk:Homura Akemi2011-04-22T04:12:46Z<p>70.81.159.144: </p>
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<div>I strongly suggest that we move all speculations from this page to a speculation page dedicated to Homura (and possibly the other four main characters). This could be a good occasion to clean up all the stuff that was proven wrong.</div>70.81.159.144