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<div>== Old stuff ==<br />
This is a temporary layout. The translated parts should be displayed in a table or something; like one column for the screencap, one for the transcription/translation, and one for additional notes and speculah [[User:Homerun-chan|--&#91;&#91;Homerun-chan&#93;&#93;]] 12:45, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Archaic 'L' and modern 'I' are the same. Archaic 'I' should be changed. [[User:Commie|Commie]] 06:30, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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The rune font is pretty awesome. One improvement could be tho, that it could probably be adjusted better to the full height, instead of x-height. --[[User:Piparkaq|Piparkaq]] 03:25, 21 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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Just wondering, why are there some parts in bold? If there is a particular reason (which I guess there is, there's no way shaftfags would do things randomly), then it should be explained somewhere (right before the chart maybe) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:54, 21 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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== 2011 ==<br />
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How does 5 symbols translate into 2011? No matter how I look at it, it absolutely cannot be 2011. If you must insist into making it "numerical runes", then it's something like 22*11 Voting for revert. [[User:Mic2070|Mic2070]] 00:55, 22 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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2 is actually the 0-0 thing seen in the screencap. It's one symbol. I think some in a recent thread have been looking at the barcodes present in the mami mogu mogu box and the bottles, and analyzing the barcodes for their numbers. [[User:Holycrap|Holycrap]] 01:07, 22 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Ok, I saw it. I'm currently catching up on the threads, sorry. I'll add that to the image's description, because it's really subtle [[User:Mic2070|Mic2070]] 01:10, 22 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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== Image dump ==<br />
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WIP image dump --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 01:45, 22 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Why don't we agree that the 3rd rune shown is 2? It appears in the "Prolog Im Himmel 2011" shot too, so it's consistent --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 17:03, 31 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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<gallery><br />
File:Runes_numbers.png|Work-in-progress deciphering of number runes<br />
File:Ellycountdown.jpg|The runes flashing on Elly's screen look like a countdown showing the runes for the numbers 4 and 3.<br />
File:Runenumbers.JPG|The runes for 0-6 as well as Q and X.<br />
File:E11MadokaQbey.jpg|Clear version of Q<br />
File:runes678.jpg<br />
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== Musical runes ==<br />
Seems like the musical runes are made up of "real" musical notation parts. Going to make a set of the elements to make it easier to make the runes. --[[User:Piparkaq|Piparkaq]] 09:16, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cross Review ==<br />
[[File:Cross_review_runes.jpg|thumb]]<br />
Edit: no new runes [[User:Prima|Prima]] 10:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== IE9 TTF support ==<br />
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It seems IE9 will not render a TTF font located on the web, unless it's "allowed to serve it from a web server", in order to avoid license problem.<br />
Does any people know how to fix it and make it shown properly under IE9?<br />
--[[Special:Contributions/113.140.78.26|113.140.78.26]] 14:25, 8 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Someone just fixed it?--[[Special:Contributions/113.140.78.26|113.140.78.26]] 16:09, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== X and Q ==<br />
Forgive my curiosity, but I'm wondering where the "X" and "Q" runes appeared in the anime. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 12:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:They appear in the OP, in the scene where Madoka transforms with the assist of the other pink-haired girl. From ep2 onwards, there are runes floating all around the transformation bubble. Ep6 is best for inspection, thanks to its background color alternation (some shots have darker background that way). Apparently someone inspected that scene veeeery closely <s>and found two unidentified runes. How did he conclude which of them is Q and which is X, remains a mystery to me.</s> and found that some runes are spinning and fading into each other in alphabetical order. It's even pointed out in the ''"The runes for 0-6 as well as Q and X."'' image above. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 13:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Oh! Can't believe I missed that! Thanks! -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 15:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Q Rune ==<br />
Now that we've gotten a good look at the Q rune, is someone going to add it to the page, and/or the ttf? [[Special:Contributions/74.100.21.198|74.100.21.198]] 04:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I'll probably do it later today. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 15:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::NVM, [[User:FontAnon]] made it already. Now just use the new version as the embedded font... --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 22:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Other fonts ==<br />
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Randomly found on Twitter, [http://www.jarchive.org/akami/aka063.html Madoka font] (i.e. the font for the logo and stuff) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 22:24, 15 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Runic fonts found on Pixiv. [http://hwm3.gyao.ne.jp/shiroi-niwatori/nkf10_magicum_comicum_crassum.zip Comicum Crassum] [http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=18599749 Information(Japanese)]; [http://hwm3.gyao.ne.jp/shiroi-niwatori/nkf11_magicum_texturae.zip Texturae] [http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=18854083 Information(Japanese)] [[Special:Contributions/140.129.20.212|140.129.20.212]] 06:34, 16 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Oh f... that Texturae font is epic. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 09:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Amazing. The Texturae font distinguishes ß's lower and upper case. Our main font treats lower case ß as Archaic and doesn't support its upper case. How about putting "Modern Runic ß" on "capital ß (U+1E9E)?" [[Special:Contributions/58.115.51.125|58.115.51.125]] 05:43, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I'm not familiar with this letter, so I didn't know there's a capital ß, thanks for the info. Added it in the runic font.--[[User:FontAnon|FontAnon]] 21:07, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::It was only added recently in the standards (2008). Since ß is never used at the start of a word, the uppercase form is only used in all-caps words, where it is usually replaced by SS. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%BA%9E -- 16:49, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Just what I saw. The capital ß in the runes' page is replaced by SS. An "SS" but a SINGLE character. It changed to its original form after being copied into MS Word. [[Special:Contributions/140.129.20.212|140.129.20.212]] 06:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
Added a Latin/Cyrilic font. It gives the feel of runes but can be read. [[Special:Contributions/109.205.249.121|109.205.249.121]] 19:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Handwritten MadokaRunes ==<br />
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<gallery><br />
File:Madokarune prima.jpg|Prima's madokarune<br />
File:Madokarune stuf.jpg|Piparkaq's madokarune<br />
File:Madokarune neo.jpg|Homerun-chan's madokarune<br />
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[[user:Piparkaq]] and I have been working on a script version of madokarunes. Has anyone else been giving it a shot? - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 07:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Looks like [http://twitpic.com/50rnx9 some twitter dude] did. Anyway I'll give it a try too since I don't have anything better to do today ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Oh shit, you're onto my second twitter account! Σ(゚Д゚) --[[User:Piparkaq|Piparkaq]] 06:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, I noticed it when you posted your link on the IRC yesterday. Well that explains the Yuno-anthony avatar --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 08:29, 23 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Wow, someone was bored in class. Though it's only normal, Kazumi and half the other pages I started were written by hand in class as well :P --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 11:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
Addin my share with the runes I tried this morning. Most of the time, we can consider the modern and archaic runes to be coming from a common "ancestor", so I tried to do something in-between (just like prima and Piparkaq actually). Most of the time you end up with either version by writing faster (i.e. miswriting the circles, closing parts that shouldn't be, etc.) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 18:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Greasemonkey Script ==<br />
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The Greasemonkey Script is quite out of date. It accesses alphabets by the early deciphering table which has a mistake on runic W. [[Special:Contributions/118.160.144.123|118.160.144.123]] 10:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Madokarune: Numerials ==<br />
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[[File:Carsalesman_numerials.jpg]]<br />
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Stumbled upon this on reddit and immediately noticed some similarity between this and madokarune, even if it wasn't one-to-one correspondence.<br />
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Roughly, the madokarune matrix is appx <br />
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* 1, 2, 4 {{runes|1, 2, 4}}<br />
* 3, 7, 8 {{runes|3, 7, 8}}<br />
* 6, 9, 5 {{runes|6, 9, 5}}<br />
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The only odd-rune-out is 9. Maybe I am overthinking this, when is OST2 coming out? - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 22:36, 21 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Typos ==<br />
"Whether by mistake or on purpose (to frustrate codebreakers) approximately half of the lines of script contain one or more typos or misspelt words."<br />
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I would bet on being a mistake since Japanese people tend to misspell western words often in anime. Evidences: http://anime.thenexxus.org/engrish/ (You can easily find more) --[[Special:Contributions/79.145.233.35|79.145.233.35]] 00:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:All of the spelling errors occurred during transcription from German into runes. If you look at those German sentences in the [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Productionnotetrans.jpg production notes], they are spelled correctly. --[[User:Kureru|Kureru]] 02:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Shape of Archaic Rune O and Ö ==<br />
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Through the BD version, we can see clearly that runic O(archaic) is like a reversed S. Will you fix it or just keep the current ʔ-shape? [[Special:Contributions/118.167.38.35|118.167.38.35]] 16:59, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, the current vector is kind of off. You can see the rune really clearly in [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Oprunes8.jpg this shot from the OP], and it's a single S-shaped stroke rather than the two we currently have. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 23:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Oh, um, also, the archaic B and C vectors look much smoother than the actual runes do. Those should probably be fixed too, if it isn't too much trouble. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 23:24, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, let's make a list, then. It'd be great if someone could fix them. Feel free to add more. --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 17:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Fixed archaic O, modern T and modern Y. I'll work in archaic B and C and update the font in a while.--[[User:FontAnon|FontAnon]] 19:32, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Fixed archaic B and C. Font updated. --[[User:FontAnon|FontAnon]] 20:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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{| class="wikitable todo" style="text-align: center;" width="100%"<br />
! Rune<br />
! Current vector<br />
! Example of revision<br />
! Problem/Explanation<br />
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|class="done"| B (Archaic)<br />
|[[File:Archaic B.svg|95x95px]]<br />
| <br />
|Vector looks much smoother than the actual rune<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| C (Archaic)<br />
|[[File:Archaic C.svg|95x95px]]<br />
|<br />
|Vector looks much smoother than the actual rune<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| O (Archaic)<br />
|[[File:Archaic O.svg|95x95px]]<br />
|[[File:Oprunes8.jpg|95x95px]]<br />
|The rune should have a reversed 'S'-shape.<br />
|-<br />
| W (Modern)<br />
|[[File:Modern W.svg|95x95px]]<br />
|[[File:01-sequence5.jpg|95x95px]]<br />(Top left line, in the word "antworten")<br />
|Should be less angular<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| T (Modern)<br />
|[[File:Modern T.svg|95x95px]]<br />
|[[File:BD_6_SS_01.jpg|95x95px]]<br />(Bottom left, in in the word "not")<br />
|rowspan="2"|They look a bit off<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| Y (Modern)<br />
|[[File:Modern Y.svg|95x95px]]<br />
|[[File:BD_6_SS_01.jpg|95x95px]]<br />(Bottom left, in in the word "you")<br />
|- <br />
| X (Archaic) <br />
|[[File:Archaic X.svg|95x95px]] <br />
|[[File:Majo_Moji.jpg|250px]]<br /> (Bottom right)<br />
|Extremities should be a bit smoother <br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| Ö (Archaic)<br />
| [[File:Archaic Ö.svg|95x95px]]<br />
|Same as O.<br />
|Same as O.<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| ß (Archaic)<br />
| [[File:Archaic SS.svg|95x95px]]<br />
| [[File:Archaic B.svg|95x95px]]<br />Upside down<br />
|Same as B.<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| Ä (Musical)<br />
|[[File:Musical Ä.svg|95x95px]] <br />
|rowspan="4"|[[File:Runes_chart_expanded.gif|95x95px]]<br />
|rowspan="3"| Runes previously missing, should look like their normal counterparts with two dots over top<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| Ö (Musical)<br />
|[[File:Musical Ö.svg|95x95px]] <br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| Ü (Musical)<br />
|[[File:Musical Ü.svg|95x95px]] <br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| ß (Musical)<br />
|[[File:Musical SS.svg|95x95px]] <br />
|Rune previously missing, should look like a normal B but upside-down<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
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:: They look great! :) Two more things:<br />
::* The modern 'W' seems a bit rough. It's the right shape, but it looks too smooth and angular compared to the other runes.<br />
::* The archaic 'X' has the opposite problem-- it should be smoother. The scene in [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Runes:Episode_11 episode 11] that it's taken from uses a more... ''gnarled''-looking version of the archaic font (most easily seen with the [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:E11HoerbeispielCle.jpg 'B's]). It looks kind of incongruous with the other, less embellished vectors. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 03:13, 23 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I think X is not a problem. Shining runes in OP is always "bold." The current X is following this picture [[File:E11Alphabet.jpg.jpg|50x50px]]. The picture of opening has spun a little, so it's not suitable for reference. Archaic X is perfect already, no need to fix. [[Special:Contributions/114.42.70.119|114.42.70.119]] 06:08, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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File:Archaic_X_example.jpg|Brief shot from the OP, showing a smoother version of archaic X<br />
File:E11Alphabet.jpg.jpg|Original X without shining. Shining makes a rune "bold."<br />
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: Don't you think that the space of musical ÄÖÜß is kept because they aren't officially appeared? Is it possible that the umlauts are shaped in whole notes? [[Special:Contributions/118.160.154.19|118.160.154.19]] 18:58, 23 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Not sure if anyone uploaded this, but there's a clean reference for Archaic font in '''Production Note''':<br />
:[[Image:Majo Moji.jpg|450px]]<br />
: Unfortunately none for Modern and Musical, though. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 13:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: So it is an official rune chart. This is my personal view: "We don't need to copy it perfectly. I prefer thinner and clearer strokes, which are more like real text." [[Special:Contributions/114.42.70.119|114.42.70.119]] 16:09, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh, hey! It looks like the chart agrees with me. The X there is exactly the same as the one in the OP, and ''not'' the modified one from episode 11. How about I put it back on the table, then? [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 18:02, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Ya, nothing is more powerful than it to be a reference. Although I prefer the current one. [[Special:Contributions/118.167.37.221|118.167.37.221]] 03:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Font Update ==<br />
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Seeing how many of the runes have been updated and look different than how the website has them (like the runes on the Witches' pages), should the website be updated to reflect the updated runes? Also, the downloadable fonts should be updated as well since their last updates were in November. [[Special:Contributions/96.238.30.200|96.238.30.200]] 20:20, 3 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
:Embedded runes in Wiki now use the 11/11 version (as of now; I actually updated it a while ago but it was uploaded to the old assets directory. Oops.) If you have a newer runes TTF, feel free to point me to. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 23:07, 3 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
::I'm actually waiting for someone to make an updated TTF myself. I don't know anything about creating fonts [[Special:Contributions/96.238.30.200|96.238.30.200]] 23:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)</div>96.238.30.200https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Deciphering_the_runes&diff=39389Talk:Deciphering the runes2012-03-03T20:20:18Z<p>96.238.30.200: </p>
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<div>== Old stuff ==<br />
This is a temporary layout. The translated parts should be displayed in a table or something; like one column for the screencap, one for the transcription/translation, and one for additional notes and speculah [[User:Homerun-chan|--&#91;&#91;Homerun-chan&#93;&#93;]] 12:45, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Archaic 'L' and modern 'I' are the same. Archaic 'I' should be changed. [[User:Commie|Commie]] 06:30, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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The rune font is pretty awesome. One improvement could be tho, that it could probably be adjusted better to the full height, instead of x-height. --[[User:Piparkaq|Piparkaq]] 03:25, 21 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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Just wondering, why are there some parts in bold? If there is a particular reason (which I guess there is, there's no way shaftfags would do things randomly), then it should be explained somewhere (right before the chart maybe) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:54, 21 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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== 2011 ==<br />
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How does 5 symbols translate into 2011? No matter how I look at it, it absolutely cannot be 2011. If you must insist into making it "numerical runes", then it's something like 22*11 Voting for revert. [[User:Mic2070|Mic2070]] 00:55, 22 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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2 is actually the 0-0 thing seen in the screencap. It's one symbol. I think some in a recent thread have been looking at the barcodes present in the mami mogu mogu box and the bottles, and analyzing the barcodes for their numbers. [[User:Holycrap|Holycrap]] 01:07, 22 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Ok, I saw it. I'm currently catching up on the threads, sorry. I'll add that to the image's description, because it's really subtle [[User:Mic2070|Mic2070]] 01:10, 22 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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== Image dump ==<br />
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WIP image dump --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 01:45, 22 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Why don't we agree that the 3rd rune shown is 2? It appears in the "Prolog Im Himmel 2011" shot too, so it's consistent --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 17:03, 31 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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<gallery><br />
File:Runes_numbers.png|Work-in-progress deciphering of number runes<br />
File:Ellycountdown.jpg|The runes flashing on Elly's screen look like a countdown showing the runes for the numbers 4 and 3.<br />
File:Runenumbers.JPG|The runes for 0-6 as well as Q and X.<br />
File:E11MadokaQbey.jpg|Clear version of Q<br />
File:runes678.jpg<br />
</gallery><br />
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== Musical runes ==<br />
Seems like the musical runes are made up of "real" musical notation parts. Going to make a set of the elements to make it easier to make the runes. --[[User:Piparkaq|Piparkaq]] 09:16, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Cross Review ==<br />
[[File:Cross_review_runes.jpg|thumb]]<br />
Edit: no new runes [[User:Prima|Prima]] 10:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== IE9 TTF support ==<br />
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It seems IE9 will not render a TTF font located on the web, unless it's "allowed to serve it from a web server", in order to avoid license problem.<br />
Does any people know how to fix it and make it shown properly under IE9?<br />
--[[Special:Contributions/113.140.78.26|113.140.78.26]] 14:25, 8 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Someone just fixed it?--[[Special:Contributions/113.140.78.26|113.140.78.26]] 16:09, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== X and Q ==<br />
Forgive my curiosity, but I'm wondering where the "X" and "Q" runes appeared in the anime. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 12:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:They appear in the OP, in the scene where Madoka transforms with the assist of the other pink-haired girl. From ep2 onwards, there are runes floating all around the transformation bubble. Ep6 is best for inspection, thanks to its background color alternation (some shots have darker background that way). Apparently someone inspected that scene veeeery closely <s>and found two unidentified runes. How did he conclude which of them is Q and which is X, remains a mystery to me.</s> and found that some runes are spinning and fading into each other in alphabetical order. It's even pointed out in the ''"The runes for 0-6 as well as Q and X."'' image above. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 13:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: Oh! Can't believe I missed that! Thanks! -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 15:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Q Rune ==<br />
Now that we've gotten a good look at the Q rune, is someone going to add it to the page, and/or the ttf? [[Special:Contributions/74.100.21.198|74.100.21.198]] 04:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I'll probably do it later today. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 15:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::NVM, [[User:FontAnon]] made it already. Now just use the new version as the embedded font... --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 22:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Other fonts ==<br />
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Randomly found on Twitter, [http://www.jarchive.org/akami/aka063.html Madoka font] (i.e. the font for the logo and stuff) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 22:24, 15 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Runic fonts found on Pixiv. [http://hwm3.gyao.ne.jp/shiroi-niwatori/nkf10_magicum_comicum_crassum.zip Comicum Crassum] [http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=18599749 Information(Japanese)]; [http://hwm3.gyao.ne.jp/shiroi-niwatori/nkf11_magicum_texturae.zip Texturae] [http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=18854083 Information(Japanese)] [[Special:Contributions/140.129.20.212|140.129.20.212]] 06:34, 16 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Oh f... that Texturae font is epic. --[[User:KFYatek|kFYatek]] 09:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Amazing. The Texturae font distinguishes ß's lower and upper case. Our main font treats lower case ß as Archaic and doesn't support its upper case. How about putting "Modern Runic ß" on "capital ß (U+1E9E)?" [[Special:Contributions/58.115.51.125|58.115.51.125]] 05:43, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I'm not familiar with this letter, so I didn't know there's a capital ß, thanks for the info. Added it in the runic font.--[[User:FontAnon|FontAnon]] 21:07, 20 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::It was only added recently in the standards (2008). Since ß is never used at the start of a word, the uppercase form is only used in all-caps words, where it is usually replaced by SS. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%BA%9E -- 16:49, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Just what I saw. The capital ß in the runes' page is replaced by SS. An "SS" but a SINGLE character. It changed to its original form after being copied into MS Word. [[Special:Contributions/140.129.20.212|140.129.20.212]] 06:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
Added a Latin/Cyrilic font. It gives the feel of runes but can be read. [[Special:Contributions/109.205.249.121|109.205.249.121]] 19:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Handwritten MadokaRunes ==<br />
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<gallery><br />
File:Madokarune prima.jpg|Prima's madokarune<br />
File:Madokarune stuf.jpg|Piparkaq's madokarune<br />
File:Madokarune neo.jpg|Homerun-chan's madokarune<br />
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[[user:Piparkaq]] and I have been working on a script version of madokarunes. Has anyone else been giving it a shot? - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 07:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Looks like [http://twitpic.com/50rnx9 some twitter dude] did. Anyway I'll give it a try too since I don't have anything better to do today ... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Oh shit, you're onto my second twitter account! Σ(゚Д゚) --[[User:Piparkaq|Piparkaq]] 06:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, I noticed it when you posted your link on the IRC yesterday. Well that explains the Yuno-anthony avatar --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 08:29, 23 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Wow, someone was bored in class. Though it's only normal, Kazumi and half the other pages I started were written by hand in class as well :P --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 11:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
Addin my share with the runes I tried this morning. Most of the time, we can consider the modern and archaic runes to be coming from a common "ancestor", so I tried to do something in-between (just like prima and Piparkaq actually). Most of the time you end up with either version by writing faster (i.e. miswriting the circles, closing parts that shouldn't be, etc.) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 18:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Greasemonkey Script ==<br />
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The Greasemonkey Script is quite out of date. It accesses alphabets by the early deciphering table which has a mistake on runic W. [[Special:Contributions/118.160.144.123|118.160.144.123]] 10:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Madokarune: Numerials ==<br />
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[[File:Carsalesman_numerials.jpg]]<br />
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Stumbled upon this on reddit and immediately noticed some similarity between this and madokarune, even if it wasn't one-to-one correspondence.<br />
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Roughly, the madokarune matrix is appx <br />
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* 1, 2, 4 {{runes|1, 2, 4}}<br />
* 3, 7, 8 {{runes|3, 7, 8}}<br />
* 6, 9, 5 {{runes|6, 9, 5}}<br />
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The only odd-rune-out is 9. Maybe I am overthinking this, when is OST2 coming out? - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 22:36, 21 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Typos ==<br />
"Whether by mistake or on purpose (to frustrate codebreakers) approximately half of the lines of script contain one or more typos or misspelt words."<br />
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I would bet on being a mistake since Japanese people tend to misspell western words often in anime. Evidences: http://anime.thenexxus.org/engrish/ (You can easily find more) --[[Special:Contributions/79.145.233.35|79.145.233.35]] 00:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:All of the spelling errors occurred during transcription from German into runes. If you look at those German sentences in the [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Productionnotetrans.jpg production notes], they are spelled correctly. --[[User:Kureru|Kureru]] 02:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Shape of Archaic Rune O and Ö ==<br />
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Through the BD version, we can see clearly that runic O(archaic) is like a reversed S. Will you fix it or just keep the current ʔ-shape? [[Special:Contributions/118.167.38.35|118.167.38.35]] 16:59, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, the current vector is kind of off. You can see the rune really clearly in [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Oprunes8.jpg this shot from the OP], and it's a single S-shaped stroke rather than the two we currently have. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 23:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Oh, um, also, the archaic B and C vectors look much smoother than the actual runes do. Those should probably be fixed too, if it isn't too much trouble. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 23:24, 21 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, let's make a list, then. It'd be great if someone could fix them. Feel free to add more. --[[User:TATZL|TATZL]] 17:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Fixed archaic O, modern T and modern Y. I'll work in archaic B and C and update the font in a while.--[[User:FontAnon|FontAnon]] 19:32, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Fixed archaic B and C. Font updated. --[[User:FontAnon|FontAnon]] 20:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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{| class="wikitable todo" style="text-align: center;" width="100%"<br />
! Rune<br />
! Current vector<br />
! Example of revision<br />
! Problem/Explanation<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| B (Archaic)<br />
|[[File:Archaic B.svg|95x95px]]<br />
| <br />
|Vector looks much smoother than the actual rune<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| C (Archaic)<br />
|[[File:Archaic C.svg|95x95px]]<br />
|<br />
|Vector looks much smoother than the actual rune<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| O (Archaic)<br />
|[[File:Archaic O.svg|95x95px]]<br />
|[[File:Oprunes8.jpg|95x95px]]<br />
|The rune should have a reversed 'S'-shape.<br />
|-<br />
| W (Modern)<br />
|[[File:Modern W.svg|95x95px]]<br />
|[[File:01-sequence5.jpg|95x95px]]<br />(Top left line, in the word "antworten")<br />
|Should be less angular<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| T (Modern)<br />
|[[File:Modern T.svg|95x95px]]<br />
|[[File:BD_6_SS_01.jpg|95x95px]]<br />(Bottom left, in in the word "not")<br />
|rowspan="2"|They look a bit off<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| Y (Modern)<br />
|[[File:Modern Y.svg|95x95px]]<br />
|[[File:BD_6_SS_01.jpg|95x95px]]<br />(Bottom left, in in the word "you")<br />
|- <br />
| X (Archaic) <br />
|[[File:Archaic X.svg|95x95px]] <br />
|[[File:Majo_Moji.jpg|250px]]<br /> (Bottom right)<br />
|Extremities should be a bit smoother <br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| Ö (Archaic)<br />
| [[File:Archaic Ö.svg|95x95px]]<br />
|Same as O.<br />
|Same as O.<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| ß (Archaic)<br />
| [[File:Archaic SS.svg|95x95px]]<br />
| [[File:Archaic B.svg|95x95px]]<br />Upside down<br />
|Same as B.<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| Ä (Musical)<br />
|[[File:Musical Ä.svg|95x95px]] <br />
|rowspan="4"|[[File:Runes_chart_expanded.gif|95x95px]]<br />
|rowspan="3"| Runes previously missing, should look like their normal counterparts with two dots over top<br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| Ö (Musical)<br />
|[[File:Musical Ö.svg|95x95px]] <br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| Ü (Musical)<br />
|[[File:Musical Ü.svg|95x95px]] <br />
|-<br />
|class="done"| ß (Musical)<br />
|[[File:Musical SS.svg|95x95px]] <br />
|Rune previously missing, should look like a normal B but upside-down<br />
|-<br />
|}<br />
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:: They look great! :) Two more things:<br />
::* The modern 'W' seems a bit rough. It's the right shape, but it looks too smooth and angular compared to the other runes.<br />
::* The archaic 'X' has the opposite problem-- it should be smoother. The scene in [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Runes:Episode_11 episode 11] that it's taken from uses a more... ''gnarled''-looking version of the archaic font (most easily seen with the [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:E11HoerbeispielCle.jpg 'B's]). It looks kind of incongruous with the other, less embellished vectors. [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 03:13, 23 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I think X is not a problem. Shining runes in OP is always "bold." The current X is following this picture [[File:E11Alphabet.jpg.jpg|50x50px]]. The picture of opening has spun a little, so it's not suitable for reference. Archaic X is perfect already, no need to fix. [[Special:Contributions/114.42.70.119|114.42.70.119]] 06:08, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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File:Archaic_X_example.jpg|Brief shot from the OP, showing a smoother version of archaic X<br />
File:E11Alphabet.jpg.jpg|Original X without shining. Shining makes a rune "bold."<br />
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: Don't you think that the space of musical ÄÖÜß is kept because they aren't officially appeared? Is it possible that the umlauts are shaped in whole notes? [[Special:Contributions/118.160.154.19|118.160.154.19]] 18:58, 23 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Not sure if anyone uploaded this, but there's a clean reference for Archaic font in '''Production Note''':<br />
:[[Image:Majo Moji.jpg|450px]]<br />
: Unfortunately none for Modern and Musical, though. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 13:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: So it is an official rune chart. This is my personal view: "We don't need to copy it perfectly. I prefer thinner and clearer strokes, which are more like real text." [[Special:Contributions/114.42.70.119|114.42.70.119]] 16:09, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Oh, hey! It looks like the chart agrees with me. The X there is exactly the same as the one in the OP, and ''not'' the modified one from episode 11. How about I put it back on the table, then? [[User:Neuchadjinys|Neuchadjinys]] 18:02, 24 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Ya, nothing is more powerful than it to be a reference. Although I prefer the current one. [[Special:Contributions/118.167.37.221|118.167.37.221]] 03:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Font Update ==<br />
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Seeing how many of the runes have been updated and look different than how the website has them (like the runes on the Witches' pages), should the website be updated to reflect the updated runes? Also, the downloadable fonts should be updated as well since their last updates were in November. [[Special:Contributions/96.238.30.200|96.238.30.200]] 20:20, 3 March 2012 (UTC)</div>96.238.30.200https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Puellamagis.png&diff=26542File talk:Puellamagis.png2011-09-05T04:06:20Z<p>96.238.30.200: </p>
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<div>Now good luck identifying them all... the only one we can be certain is that the second from the left is Elly. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
: I'm willing to bet that the fourth from the left is Charlotte (her pigtails resemble the witch's "candy-wrapper" ears), but let's hope that the main website attaches the silhouettes with the witches. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 20:18, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Fifth from left is Elsa Maria, I think. Just going off the hair style. [[Special:Contributions/90.227.151.181|90.227.151.181]] 20:54, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: I added that the third from the left might be Gisela (her curved hairstyle resembles her Witch's Kiss), but we can't tell exactly ''which'' witches from the series appear here. There are only ten unidentified magical girls in the screencap, whereas nine witches (not including Oktavia and Kriemhild) appeared in the show and three more were given informational cards. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 21:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:One lineup guess proposed on /a/: Gisela, Elly, Isabel, Patricia, Gertrud, Mami, Homura, Madoka, Sayaka, Kyouko, Suleika, Uhrmann, Albertine, Charlotte, Roberta<br />
[http://i53.tinypic.com/30cpvns.png] One possible permutation. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 21:56, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
* [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyGuess.png?t=1303524012] My interpretation. Here's the "logic" (for the not-shown witches, I tried connecting them to familiars, and admittedly Elsa Maria's justification is that I drew her similarly): [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyElsa.png?t=1303524059] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyElly.png?t=1303524152] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/IDK1.png?t=1303524194]/[http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/IDK2.png?t=1303524194]/[http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/IDK3.png?t=1303524195] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyCharlotte.png?t=1303524255] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyGertrud.png?t=1303524261] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyWalpurgis.png?t=1303524323] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyUrhmann.png?t=1303524325] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyAlbertine.png?t=1303524328] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyPatricia.png?t=1303524333] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyGisela.png?t=1303524335] [[User:MsDevin92|MsDevin92]] 02:06, 23 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
** Also, I think it's notable that the silhouettes in Episode 11 appeared to be serving Walpurgisnacht. Their shiny appearance sort of resembled corrupted Soul Gems. Does Walpurgis turn the shadows of doomed Puella Magi into her familiars? Does she get more power for each defeated witch? [[User:MsDevin92|MsDevin92]] 04:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I will state the obvious here because I felt it was needed: There are only 10 unidentified figures, while there are twelve unidentified witches. Three witches weren't shown in the anime, so it might be two of them, or that it's actually all three of them and we have an extra figure that never appeared in the anime. The fact that the figure on the left is cut off might indicate that there are more figures on the left side. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:01, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The fact that there's two an not three missing makes it kind of a gamble. But I agree with you, there should be more to the left: I guess we'll have to wait for Word of God/Blu-Ray/alternative airing to see the whole picture. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 01:05, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[[File:Charlottecomparison.PNG|thumb|200px]]<br />
A comparison chart showing one of the silhouettes with the matching Walpurgis familiar, and Charlotte, who has a nose the same shape as the silhouette's tail, similar hair, and a resemblance to the wand. [[User:KM|KM]] 20:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I made some image compilations on my opinion as to which witch matches which silhouette. Here they are: [http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7020/suleikaspecula.png] [http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3523/izabelspecula.png] [http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9529/gertrudspecula.png] [http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/543/elsamariaspeculah.png] [http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5928/albertinespeculah.png] [http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/1265/walpurgisspeculah.png] [http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7774/miscspecula.png] -they are in no particular order. And I agree with the above user about Charlotte's possible Puella Magi form. That's very strong visual evidence, so I decided not to make a compilation for Charlotte. [[User:ViralJuggernaut|ViralJuggernaut]] 7:12, 14 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
[[File:GertrudPaintingsCloseup.PNG|left|thumb|200px]]I like those Albertine, Suleika, and Izabel ones. Here's closeups of Gertrud's paintings from the BD. This portrait on the door has a woman wearing a bow around her neck. I'm not sure what to make of the orange painting.<br />
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Looks like Elly, Charlotte, and Walpurgis are settled. Since the Ika Musume one is right next to the main characters, like Walpurgis, it's probably another witch that was prominent in the show, like Elsa Maria or Gertrud. [[User:KM|KM]] 00:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
[[File:PN_05.jpg|thumb|right]]This sketch from the [[Puella_Magi_Production_Note | production notes]] shows the Walpurgis familiars with more detail. For example, the one suspected to be Charlotte has bangs similar to Charlotte's and polka-dotted tights.[[User:KM|KM]] 02:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Seeing how the Production Note shows the silhouettes in more detail, perhaps we should see if we can upload pictures of the pages of the silhouettes after the Production Note is released later this month. [[Special:Contributions/96.238.30.200|96.238.30.200]] 00:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Assuming the scans show up or someone contributes them, sure. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 00:35, 3 September 2011 (UTC<br />
:::[[File:Madoka07.jpg|thumb|left]]I managed to find a picture that has three Puellae Magi from the ending picture. One of them is one Puella Magi that is thought to be [[Charlotte]]. The top one I believe to be Gisela because of ViralJuggernaut's speculah and the circular object in the middle of the Puella Magi's apron(?) bears some resemblance to the large gear in the center of [[Gisela]]'s body. I believe the one at the bottom (the last one in the ending picture) may be [[Uhrmann]] due to it's feral-ish appearance, which can be taken as canine by some. It may also be [[Roberta]] for the same reasons ViralJuggernaut sees so. [[Special:Contributions/96.238.30.200|96.238.30.200]] 04:06, 5 September 2011 (UTC)</div>96.238.30.200https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Puellamagis.png&diff=26348File talk:Puellamagis.png2011-09-03T00:28:16Z<p>96.238.30.200: </p>
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<div>Now good luck identifying them all... the only one we can be certain is that the second from the left is Elly. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 20:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
: I'm willing to bet that the fourth from the left is Charlotte (her pigtails resemble the witch's "candy-wrapper" ears), but let's hope that the main website attaches the silhouettes with the witches. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 20:18, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Fifth from left is Elsa Maria, I think. Just going off the hair style. [[Special:Contributions/90.227.151.181|90.227.151.181]] 20:54, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:: I added that the third from the left might be Gisela (her curved hairstyle resembles her Witch's Kiss), but we can't tell exactly ''which'' witches from the series appear here. There are only ten unidentified magical girls in the screencap, whereas nine witches (not including Oktavia and Kriemhild) appeared in the show and three more were given informational cards. [[User:Momoism|Momoism]] 21:30, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:One lineup guess proposed on /a/: Gisela, Elly, Isabel, Patricia, Gertrud, Mami, Homura, Madoka, Sayaka, Kyouko, Suleika, Uhrmann, Albertine, Charlotte, Roberta<br />
[http://i53.tinypic.com/30cpvns.png] One possible permutation. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 21:56, 22 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
* [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyGuess.png?t=1303524012] My interpretation. Here's the "logic" (for the not-shown witches, I tried connecting them to familiars, and admittedly Elsa Maria's justification is that I drew her similarly): [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyElsa.png?t=1303524059] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyElly.png?t=1303524152] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/IDK1.png?t=1303524194]/[http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/IDK2.png?t=1303524194]/[http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/IDK3.png?t=1303524195] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyCharlotte.png?t=1303524255] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyGertrud.png?t=1303524261] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyWalpurgis.png?t=1303524323] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyUrhmann.png?t=1303524325] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyAlbertine.png?t=1303524328] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyPatricia.png?t=1303524333] [http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x314/MsDevin92/MyGisela.png?t=1303524335] [[User:MsDevin92|MsDevin92]] 02:06, 23 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
** Also, I think it's notable that the silhouettes in Episode 11 appeared to be serving Walpurgisnacht. Their shiny appearance sort of resembled corrupted Soul Gems. Does Walpurgis turn the shadows of doomed Puella Magi into her familiars? Does she get more power for each defeated witch? [[User:MsDevin92|MsDevin92]] 04:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I will state the obvious here because I felt it was needed: There are only 10 unidentified figures, while there are twelve unidentified witches. Three witches weren't shown in the anime, so it might be two of them, or that it's actually all three of them and we have an extra figure that never appeared in the anime. The fact that the figure on the left is cut off might indicate that there are more figures on the left side. -- [[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 01:01, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The fact that there's two an not three missing makes it kind of a gamble. But I agree with you, there should be more to the left: I guess we'll have to wait for Word of God/Blu-Ray/alternative airing to see the whole picture. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 01:05, 28 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[[File:Charlottecomparison.PNG|thumb|200px]]<br />
A comparison chart showing one of the silhouettes with the matching Walpurgis familiar, and Charlotte, who has a nose the same shape as the silhouette's tail, similar hair, and a resemblance to the wand. [[User:KM|KM]] 20:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I made some image compilations on my opinion as to which witch matches which silhouette. Here they are: [http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7020/suleikaspecula.png] [http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3523/izabelspecula.png] [http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9529/gertrudspecula.png] [http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/543/elsamariaspeculah.png] [http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5928/albertinespeculah.png] [http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/1265/walpurgisspeculah.png] [http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7774/miscspecula.png] -they are in no particular order. And I agree with the above user about Charlotte's possible Puella Magi form. That's very strong visual evidence, so I decided not to make a compilation for Charlotte. [[User:ViralJuggernaut|ViralJuggernaut]] 7:12, 14 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
[[File:GertrudPaintingsCloseup.PNG|left|thumb|200px]]I like those Albertine, Suleika, and Izabel ones. Here's closeups of Gertrud's paintings from the BD. This portrait on the door has a woman wearing a bow around her neck. I'm not sure what to make of the orange painting.<br />
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Looks like Elly, Charlotte, and Walpurgis are settled. Since the Ika Musume one is right next to the main characters, like Walpurgis, it's probably another witch that was prominent in the show, like Elsa Maria or Gertrud. [[User:KM|KM]] 00:14, 15 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
[[File:PN_05.jpg|thumb|right]]This sketch from the [[Puella_Magi_Production_Note | production notes]] shows the Walpurgis familiars with more detail. For example, the one suspected to be Charlotte has bangs similar to Charlotte's and polka-dotted tights.[[User:KM|KM]] 02:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Seeing how the Production Note shows the silhouettes in more detail, perhaps we should see if we can upload pictures of the pages of the silhouettes after the Production Note is released later this month. [[Special:Contributions/96.238.30.200|96.238.30.200]] 00:28, 3 September 2011 (UTC)</div>96.238.30.200https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Rosasharn&diff=17734Rosasharn2011-06-20T05:26:20Z<p>96.238.30.200: </p>
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<div>__NOTOC__<br />
'''Rosasharn''' {{Nihongo||ローザシャーン}} is a witch appearing in [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_1:_Don.27t_even_think_about_becoming_a_Magical_Girl|Chapter 1]] of Puella Magi Oriko Magica.<br />
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{{Card<br />
|name = Rosasharn<br />
|runes = ROSASHARN<br />
|image = File:Card Rosasharn.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 玩具の魔女ローザシャーン<br />
|english_desc = <br />
|type = Toy witch <br />
|episodes = [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_1:_Don.27t_even_think_about_becoming_a_Magical_Girl|Oriko chapter 1]]<br />
|jatext_extra_styles = extra styling for japanese text<br />
|header_extra_styles = extra styling for header label<br />
}}<br />
==Minions==<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = ?????<br />
|runes = ?????<br />
|image = File:Card Rosasharn minion.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 玩具の魔女の手下。<br />
|english_desc = The witch's minion.<br />
|type = Toy witch's minion<br />
|episodes = [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_1:_Don.27t_even_think_about_becoming_a_Magical_Girl|Oriko chapter 1]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Observations and facts==<br />
*Rosasharn, real name Rose of Sharon Joad Rivers, is a character in [[wikipedia:The Grapes of Wrath|''The Grapes of Wrath'']], a novel by Nobel prize-winning author [[wikipedia:John Steinbeck|John Steinbeck]], that focuses on a dirt-poor family from Oklahoma, during the [[wikipedia:Great Depression|Great Depression]]. She is a childish and dreamy teenage daughter (about 16 or 17) who develops as the novel progresses to become a mature woman. She symbolizes regrowth when she helps the starving stranger. Pregnant in the beginning of the novel, she delivers a stillborn baby, probably as a result of malnutrition. She goes to the point of breast feeding a man too sick to eat solid food.<br />
<br />
==Trivia and Speculation==<br />
*Unlike other witches depicted in the witch encyclopaedia, Rosasharn is shown with her minion instead of a human. This led fans to believe that she once was a minion herself instead of a Puella Magi.<br />
<br />
=== Images ===<br />
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center"><br />
File:Rosasharnbarrier.jpg|Rosasharn's barrier is filled with toys.<br />
File:Manga cut witch of toys.png|Rosasharn with her familiar<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
[[Category:Witches]]</div>96.238.30.200https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Rosasharn&diff=17733Rosasharn2011-06-20T05:26:06Z<p>96.238.30.200: </p>
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<div>__NOTOC__<br />
'''Rosasharn''' {{Nihongo||ローザシャーン}} is a witch appearing in [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_1:_Don.27t_even_think_about_becoming_a_Magical_Girl|Chapter 1]] of Puella Magi Oriko Magica.<br />
<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Rosasharn<br />
|runes = ROSASHARN<br />
|image = File:Card Rosasharn.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 玩具の魔女ローザシャーン<br />
|english_desc = <br />
|type = Toy witch <br />
|episodes = [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_1:_Don.27t_even_think_about_becoming_a_Magical_Girl|Oriko chapter 1]]<br />
|jatext_extra_styles = extra styling for japanese text<br />
|header_extra_styles = extra styling for header label<br />
}}<br />
==Minions==<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = ?????<br />
|runes = ?????<br />
|image = File:Card Rosasharn minion.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 玩具の魔女の手下。<br />
|english_desc = The witch's minion.<br />
|type = Toy witch's minion<br />
|episodes = [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_1:_Don.27t_even_think_about_becoming_a_Magical_Girl|Oriko chapter 1]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Observations and facts==<br />
*Rosasharn, real name Rose of Sharon Joad Rivers, is a character in [[wikipedia:The Grapes of Wrath|''The Grapes of Wrath'']], a novel by Nobel prize-winning author [[wikipedia:John Steinbeck|John Steinbeck]], that focuses on a dirt-poor family from Oklahoma, during the [[wikipedia:Great Depression|Great Depression]]. She is a childish and dreamy teenage daughter (about 16 or 17) who develops as the novel progresses to become a mature woman. She symbolizes regrowth when she helps the starving stranger. Pregnant in the beginning of the novel, she delivers a stillborn baby, probably as a result of malnutrition. She goes to the point of breast feeding a man too sick to eat solid food.<br />
<br />
==Trivia and Speculation==<br />
*Unlike other witches depicted in the witch encyclopaedia, Rosasharn is shown with her minion instead of a human. This led fans to believe that she once was a minion herself instead of a Puella Magi.<br />
<br />
=== Images ===<br />
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center"><br />
File:Rosasharnbarrier.jpg|Rosasharn's barrier is filled with toys.<br />
File:Manga cut witch of toys.png|Rosasharn with her familiar<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Witches]]</div>96.238.30.200https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Rosasharn&diff=17731Rosasharn2011-06-20T05:22:30Z<p>96.238.30.200: /* Images */</p>
<hr />
<div>__NOTOC__<br />
'''Rosasharn''' {{Nihongo||ローザシャーン}} is a witch appearing in [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_1:_Don.27t_even_think_about_becoming_a_Magical_Girl|Chapter 1]] of Puella Magi Oriko Magica.<br />
<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Rosasharn<br />
|runes = ROSASHARN<br />
|image = File:Card Rosasharn.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 玩具の魔女ローザシャーン<br />
|english_desc = <br />
|type = Toy witch <br />
|episodes = [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_1:_Don.27t_even_think_about_becoming_a_Magical_Girl|Oriko chapter 1]]<br />
|jatext_extra_styles = extra styling for japanese text<br />
|header_extra_styles = extra styling for header label<br />
}}<br />
==Minions==<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = ?????<br />
|runes = ?????<br />
|image = File:Card Rosasharn minion.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 玩具の魔女の手下。<br />
|english_desc = The witch's minion.<br />
|type = Toy witch's minion<br />
|episodes = [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_1:_Don.27t_even_think_about_becoming_a_Magical_Girl|Oriko chapter 1]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Observations and facts==<br />
*Rosasharn, real name Rose of Sharon Joad Rivers, is a character in [[wikipedia:The Grapes of Wrath|''The Grapes of Wrath'']], a novel by Nobel prize-winning author [[wikipedia:John Steinbeck|John Steinbeck]], that focuses on a dirt-poor family from Oklahoma, during the [[wikipedia:Great Depression|Great Depression]]. She is a childish and dreamy teenage daughter (about 16 or 17) who develops as the novel progresses to become a mature woman. She symbolizes regrowth when she helps the starving stranger. Pregnant in the beginning of the novel, she delivers a stillborn baby, probably as a result of malnutrition. She goes to the point of breast feeding a man too sick to eat solid food.<br />
<br />
==Trivia and Speculation==<br />
*Unlike other witches depicted in the witch encyclopaedia, Rosasharn is shown with her minion instead of a human. This led fans to believe that she once was a minion herself instead of a Puella Magi.<br />
<br />
=== Images ===<br />
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center"><br />
File:Rosasharnbarrier.jpg|Rosasharn's barrier is filled with toys.<br />
File:Manga cut witch of toys.png|Rosasharn with her familiar<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
[[Category:Witches]]</div>96.238.30.200https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Virginia&diff=17730Virginia2011-06-20T05:21:36Z<p>96.238.30.200: /* Images */</p>
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<div>__NOTOC__<br />
'''Virginia''' {{Nihongo||バージニア}} is a witch appearing in [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_3:_Love_is_infinitely_finite|Chapter 3]] of Puella Magi Oriko Magica.<br />
<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Virginia<br />
|runes = VIRGINIA<br />
|image = File:Card Virginia.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 鎧の魔女バージニア<br />
|english_desc = <br />
|type = Armour witch <br />
|episodes = [[Oriko_Magica#Chapter_3:_Love_is_infinitely_finite|Chapter 3]]<br />
|jatext_extra_styles = extra styling for japanese text<br />
|header_extra_styles = extra styling for header label<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Observations and facts==<br />
<br />
==Trivia and Speculation==<br />
<br />
=== Images ===<br />
<gallery><br />
File:Manga cut witch of armor.png|Virginia as a Puella Magi<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
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