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<div>[[File:Charlotte as a normal girl.jpg|thumb|Artist rendition of [[Charlotte]] as normal girl]]<br />
With [[Speculah:Witches as Fallen Magical Girls Theory|witches are fallen magical girls theory]] proven true, the fan base has moved to speculate the prior lives of the girls and the nature of their wishes prior to their witchification. This page is dedicated to such speculations:<br />
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==Gertrud==<br />
Her rose and mustached minions led one to believe that she may once been a ouji-sama that fell in love and made a wish similar to [[Sayaka]]'s.<br />
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==Suleika==<br />
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==Charlotte==<br />
Based on her lair that splices hospital and dessert imagery, the fanbase speculated that [[Charlotte]] was a young terminal cancer patient whom contracted with Kyuubey in order to recover. Her desire for cheese can be explained by the fact that many cancer patients cannot ingest dairy.<br />
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A number of fans suspect that the title character of the unreleased prequel manga ''[[Oriko Magica]]'' will become Charlotte. Oriko herself is clearly a young girl, as many speculate Charlotte was, and it seems that she will be associating with Kyoko and Mami. Since Kyoko loves food, and Mami gets killed by Charlotte, Oriko becoming Charlotte would then be ironic. Furthermore, since Homura is stated to appear in ''Oriko'', it's possible that the events of the manga will occur while Homura is still in the hospital. If that is true, then it's also possible that Homura will appear because Oriko herself is in the same hospital, matching the speculation of Charlotte being a cancer patient.<br />
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There may actually be some evidence for this. [[Runes:Episode_3|The runes in Episode 3]] refer to Mami by name and Homura as "Homuhomu" (which seems to be the origin for Homura's fan nickname). All runes appear to be messages from the witch or her familiars, which then implies that Charlotte actually knew their names.<br />
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==Elly==<br />
Judging from the imagery within her barrier (in particular the silhouette of a girl with twintails within the TV-body of Elly; it must be noted that the witch herself also has twintails) and the statement that the witch is a shut-in, she may have been a recluse who wished for popularity as an idol and eventually broke down under the pressure (of being an idol, a magical girl, or both.) H.N. may thus refer to not just her nickname on the internet, but her handle name as an idol. <br />
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==Albertine==<br />
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==Gisela==<br />
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==Elsa Maria==<br />
Possibly a similar story to [[Kyouko]], or possibly Kyouko's younger sister. <br />
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As she seems of a religious bent and her shadow takes humans and animals alike without discrimination, her wish could have been a vaguely-worded one to help others (which the Incubators' plan already does) or to bring salvation to all, and she might have devoted her life as a magical girl to the destruction of "demonic beings" witches appear to be (many Christian demons have unusual forms, so thinking witches as agents of Hell is presumably an easy mistake to make.) Her own transformation into a witch might have been initiated by the reveal that witches are former magical girls, leading Elsa Maria to realize that the witches she had been slaying without question until now were other magical girls instead of servants of the Devil and consequently fall into despair. If that is the case, her intentions are ironically fulfilled after she is transformed into a witch, as her shadow now liberates any and all. Her praying posture may be as a result of her regret for inadvertently slaying witches, she thus seeks redemption by constantly praying for their souls as well as the rest of humanity. Her thematic links to the Tree of Knowledge might come from her belief that she made the same mistake as Eve when accepting to become a magical girl, with Kyuubey taking the role of the Serpent. <br />
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==Uhrmann==<br />
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==Oktavia von Seckendorff==<br />
See [[Sayaka]].<br />
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==Izabel==<br />
May have wished to be an artist, based on all the references to Picasso and other artists in her barrier.<br />
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It gains more evidence from her official description, which calls her an artist witch, with the nature of vanity. Perhaps she desired to be famous.<br />
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==Patricia==<br />
Up this witch's skirt appears to be some sort of infinite orifice. Given the uniforms, the above fact that witches originate from young girls, take note of the odd position the Witch appears to be in... It is likely Patricia was someone who fell to despair and turned into a Witch because of sexual abuse. The uniforms on clotheslines could symbolize her constantly washing her uniform due to her feeling "dirty".<br />
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The official descriptions says she is a "class representative witch". Perhaps she wished for the position, but found it wasn't what she expected? It's also possible she may have been a very controlling person, based off the spider and spider-thread imagery, and the fact that her familiars are entirely controlled by the witch's threads.<br />
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==Roberta==<br />
As the witch was shown in an alternate timeline, it is speculated that this witch was [[Mami]]. The reasons for this speculation are as follows: a flower pattern is seen on Roberta's clothing and the floor of her barrier (although the pattern also resembles a gear), she seems to explode into muskets (Mami's weapon) when killed, and of course, the witch has no head. The cage she appears in, as well as the general emptiness of her barrier, would then symbolize Mami's isolation, <br />
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The main strike against this theory is that if Mami transformed into a witch in that timeline, she wouldn't have lost her head against Charlotte. <br />
:It could be seen as the fact that Mami doesn't have a very solid head on her shoulders, or maybe the witch's head as just hidden from sight behind the cage.<br />
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The official description of the witch also seems to contradict this theory, suggesting instead a party girl who desired attention from others.<br />
:Mami made her magical girl stuff flashy and attentionseeking. I don't think that particular line debunks the theory entirely.<br />
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==Kriemhild Gretchen==<br />
See [[Madoka]].<br />
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==Walpurgis Night==<br />
Some fans speculate that this is the witch form of [[Homura]]. Evidence supporting this theory are mechanical gears on the witch's body, also seen in Homura's shield. This would imply that Homura becoming a witch is a meta-timeline event, thanks to her time travel-related wish.<br />
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Others speculate that Walpurgis is the witch-form of a magical girl who defeated a previous Walpurgis. Some go as far to suggest that Walpurgis is of extraterrestrial origin.<br />
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Another line of speculation is that Walpurgis is actually a composite being formed from a number of witches fusing into one super-witch. This comes from the fact that Walpurgis Night is, in German folklore and Goethe's Faust, a gathering of witches. According to this theory, the witches are "gathering" into one. If true, Walpurgis technically has no prior existence as a magical girl. It also offers an explanation for the subtle differences between the Walpurgis seen in episode 1 and the other two seen in episode 10; they're formed from different combinations of witches.<br />
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Other people have stated that this witch may in fact be Madoka, whose association with Homura led to its bearing similarities.<br />
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''Also see [[Speculah:Walpurgis Night]].''<br />
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[[Category:Articles]]</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Magic&diff=8248Talk:Magic2011-03-28T07:41:25Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>Isn't Mami's special ability her ribbons, while Kyoko's is her barrier?----[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 09:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Not sure how to approach this page yet. I'm just building a skeleton. Welcome to fill it up with actual information. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 09:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
Can all the girls use telepathy? Kyouko did it too call out to Sayaka and Madoka, but I think the other girls need QB as an in-between.<br />
I thought it was Kyouko's special ability: being heard by others. Like at the end of her fight with Octavia it seemed like she got through to her, as we saw Kyouko through Octavia's eyes.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 22:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:We know that Madoka and Sayaka were able to do it, but they did have Kyubey with them... well, Kyubey is practically always with them in the first place. It'd be hard to tell. It's probably safe to assume he needs to be there, though.<br />
::I believe it's an ability shared by all contractors. I don't really see Kyoko being the only one with capacity, and the others being forced to use Kyubey. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 17:39, 27 March 2011 (BST)<br />
:Kyouko made a wish about 'being heard', and up til now she's the only one using it without QB around.<br />
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:-My interpretation was that telepathic communication is part of the standard magical girl package, but a relay is necessary for normal humans to send back replies. <br />
:-Why would you assume that, when we've never seen the girls use telepathy amongst themselves? For now it's just speculah, not fact.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 14:40, 27 March 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Mami was able to communicate with Sayaka and Madoka in school without having Kyubey next to her. Then again, we don't know how far Kyubey can transmit messages, or how far away Mami's classroom was.<br />
:QB was next to Sayaka & Madoka, and said himself they were within range of telepathic communication. So the only one we've seen using telepathy without QB around is Kyouko.<br />
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== What category ==<br />
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I am not sure what category should this page belong under. Maybe Facts? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 02:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I currently added a link to this page under [[Articles]], so maybe the articles category as well? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 08:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
::"Articles" seems right to me. Since other articles also fall under "fanmade analysis", maybe add it too? (the category "articles" contains both analyses and speculah) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Witch's Maze, Labyrinth, or Lair ==<br />
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I'll like to know what term should this wiki use for this specific dimension. We also seem to be missing a page and/or this term in the glossary. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 11:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Glossary]] has "Barrier". Aside from that, it's the same problem as with "Magical Girl/Puella Magi/Mahou Shoujo". We haven't really thought a guideline up yet. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Magic&diff=8229Talk:Magic2011-03-27T17:51:05Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>Isn't Mami's special ability her ribbons, while Kyoko's is her barrier?----[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 09:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Not sure how to approach this page yet. I'm just building a skeleton. Welcome to fill it up with actual information. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 09:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
Can all the girls use telepathy? Kyouko did it too call out to Sayaka and Madoka, but I think the other girls need QB as an in-between.<br />
I thought it was Kyouko's special ability: being heard by others. Like at the end of her fight with Octavia it seemed like she got through to her, as we saw Kyouko through Octavia's eyes.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 22:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:We know that Madoka and Sayaka were able to do it, but they did have Kyubey with them... well, Kyubey is practically always with them in the first place. It'd be hard to tell. It's probably safe to assume he needs to be there, though.<br />
::I believe it's an ability shared by all contractors. I don't really see Kyoko being the only one with capacity, and the others being forced to use Kyubey. [[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 17:39, 27 March 2011 (BST)<br />
:Kyouko made a wish about 'being heard', and up til now she's the only one using it without QB around.<br />
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:-My interpretation was that telepathic communication is part of the standard magical girl package, but a relay is necessary for normal humans to send back replies. <br />
:-Why would you assume that, when we've never seen the girls use telepathy amongst themselves? For now it's just speculah, not fact.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 14:40, 27 March 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Mami was able to communicate with Sayaka and Madoka in school without having Kyubey next to her. Then again, we don't know how far Kyubey can transmit messages, or how far away Mami's classroom was.<br />
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== What category ==<br />
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I am not sure what category should this page belong under. Maybe Facts? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 02:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I currently added a link to this page under [[Articles]], so maybe the articles category as well? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 08:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
::"Articles" seems right to me. Since other articles also fall under "fanmade analysis", maybe add it too? (the category "articles" contains both analyses and speculah) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Witch's Maze, Labyrinth, or Lair ==<br />
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I'll like to know what term should this wiki use for this specific dimension. We also seem to be missing a page and/or this term in the glossary. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 11:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Glossary]] has "Barrier". Aside from that, it's the same problem as with "Magical Girl/Puella Magi/Mahou Shoujo". We haven't really thought a guideline up yet. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Magic&diff=8221Talk:Magic2011-03-27T13:50:38Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>Isn't Mami's special ability her ribbons, while Kyoko's is her barrier?----[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 09:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Not sure how to approach this page yet. I'm just building a skeleton. Welcome to fill it up with actual information. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 09:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
Can all the girls use telepathy? Kyouko did it too call out to Sayaka and Madoka, but I think the other girls need QB as an in-between.<br />
I thought it was Kyouko's special ability: being heard by others. Like at the end of her fight with Octavia it seemed like she got through to her, as we saw Kyouko through Octavia's eyes.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 22:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:We know that Madoka and Sayaka were able to do it, but they did have Kyubey with them... well, Kyubey is practically always with them in the first place. It'd be hard to tell. It's probably safe to assume he needs to be there, though.<br />
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:-My interpretation was that telepathic communication is part of the standard magical girl package, but a relay is necessary for normal humans to send back replies. <br />
:-Why would you assume that, when we've never seen the girls use telepathy amongst themselves? For now it's just speculah, not fact.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 14:40, 27 March 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Mami was able to communicate with Sayaka and Madoka in school without having Kyubey next to her. Then again, we don't know how far Kyubey can transmit messages, or how far away Mami's classroom was.<br />
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== What category ==<br />
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I am not sure what category should this page belong under. Maybe Facts? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 02:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I currently added a link to this page under [[Articles]], so maybe the articles category as well? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 08:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
::"Articles" seems right to me. Since other articles also fall under "fanmade analysis", maybe add it too? (the category "articles" contains both analyses and speculah) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Witch's Maze, Labyrinth, or Lair ==<br />
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I'll like to know what term should this wiki use for this specific dimension. We also seem to be missing a page and/or this term in the glossary. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 11:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Glossary]] has "Barrier". Aside from that, it's the same problem as with "Magical Girl/Puella Magi/Mahou Shoujo". We haven't really thought a guideline up yet. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Magic&diff=8220Talk:Magic2011-03-27T13:50:16Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>Isn't Mami's special ability her ribbons, while Kyoko's is her barrier?----[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 09:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Not sure how to approach this page yet. I'm just building a skeleton. Welcome to fill it up with actual information. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 09:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
Can all the girls use telepathy? Kyouko did it too call out to Sayaka and Madoka, but I think the other girls need QB as an in-between.<br />
I thought it was Kyouko's special ability: being heard by others. Like at the end of her fight with Octavia it seemed like she got through to her, as we saw Kyouko through Octavia's eyes.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 22:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:We know that Madoka and Sayaka were able to do it, but they did have Kyubey with them... well, Kyubey is practically always with them in the first place. It'd be hard to tell. It's probably safe to assume he needs to be there, though.<br />
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:-My interpretation was that telepathic communication is part of the standard magical girl package, but a relay is necessary for normal humans to send back replies. <br />
:Why would you assume that, when we've never seen the girls use telepathy amongst themselves? For now it's just speculah, not fact.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 14:40, 27 March 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Mami was able to communicate with Sayaka and Madoka in school without having Kyubey next to her. Then again, we don't know how far Kyubey can transmit messages, or how far away Mami's classroom was.<br />
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== What category ==<br />
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I am not sure what category should this page belong under. Maybe Facts? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 02:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I currently added a link to this page under [[Articles]], so maybe the articles category as well? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 08:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
::"Articles" seems right to me. Since other articles also fall under "fanmade analysis", maybe add it too? (the category "articles" contains both analyses and speculah) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Witch's Maze, Labyrinth, or Lair ==<br />
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I'll like to know what term should this wiki use for this specific dimension. We also seem to be missing a page and/or this term in the glossary. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 11:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Glossary]] has "Barrier". Aside from that, it's the same problem as with "Magical Girl/Puella Magi/Mahou Shoujo". We haven't really thought a guideline up yet. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Magic&diff=8219Talk:Magic2011-03-27T13:49:46Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>Isn't Mami's special ability her ribbons, while Kyoko's is her barrier?----[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 09:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Not sure how to approach this page yet. I'm just building a skeleton. Welcome to fill it up with actual information. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 09:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
Can all the girls use telepathy? Kyouko did it too call out to Sayaka and Madoka, but I think the other girls need QB as an in-between.<br />
I thought it was Kyouko's special ability: being heard by others. Like at the end of her fight with Octavia it seemed like she got through to her, as we saw Kyouko through Octavia's eyes.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 22:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:We know that Madoka and Sayaka were able to do it, but they did have Kyubey with them... well, Kyubey is practically always with them in the first place. It'd be hard to tell. It's probably safe to assume he needs to be there, though.<br />
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:-My interpretation was that telepathic communication is part of the standard magical girl package, but a relay is necessary for normal humans to send back replies. <br />
-Why would you assume that, when we've never seen the girls use telepathy amongst themselves? For now it's just speculah, not fact.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 14:40, 27 March 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Mami was able to communicate with Sayaka and Madoka in school without having Kyubey next to her. Then again, we don't know how far Kyubey can transmit messages, or how far away Mami's classroom was.<br />
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== What category ==<br />
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I am not sure what category should this page belong under. Maybe Facts? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 02:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I currently added a link to this page under [[Articles]], so maybe the articles category as well? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 08:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
::"Articles" seems right to me. Since other articles also fall under "fanmade analysis", maybe add it too? (the category "articles" contains both analyses and speculah) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Witch's Maze, Labyrinth, or Lair ==<br />
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I'll like to know what term should this wiki use for this specific dimension. We also seem to be missing a page and/or this term in the glossary. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 11:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Glossary]] has "Barrier". Aside from that, it's the same problem as with "Magical Girl/Puella Magi/Mahou Shoujo". We haven't really thought a guideline up yet. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Magic&diff=8218Talk:Magic2011-03-27T13:40:17Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>Isn't Mami's special ability her ribbons, while Kyoko's is her barrier?----[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 09:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Not sure how to approach this page yet. I'm just building a skeleton. Welcome to fill it up with actual information. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 09:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
Can all the girls use telepathy? Kyouko did it too call out to Sayaka and Madoka, but I think the other girls need QB as an in-between.<br />
I thought it was Kyouko's special ability: being heard by others. Like at the end of her fight with Octavia it seemed like she got through to her, as we saw Kyouko through Octavia's eyes.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 22:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:We know that Madoka and Sayaka were able to do it, but they did have Kyubey with them... well, Kyubey is practically always with them in the first place. It'd be hard to tell. It's probably safe to assume he needs to be there, though.<br />
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:-My interpretation was that telepathic communication is part of the standard magical girl package, but a relay is necessary for normal humans to send back replies. <br />
Why would you assume that, when we've never seen the girls use telepathy amongst themselves?[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 14:40, 27 March 2011 (BST)<br />
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:Mami was able to communicate with Sayaka and Madoka in school without having Kyubey next to her. Then again, we don't know how far Kyubey can transmit messages, or how far away Mami's classroom was.<br />
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== What category ==<br />
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I am not sure what category should this page belong under. Maybe Facts? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 02:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I currently added a link to this page under [[Articles]], so maybe the articles category as well? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 08:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
::"Articles" seems right to me. Since other articles also fall under "fanmade analysis", maybe add it too? (the category "articles" contains both analyses and speculah) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Witch's Maze, Labyrinth, or Lair ==<br />
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I'll like to know what term should this wiki use for this specific dimension. We also seem to be missing a page and/or this term in the glossary. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 11:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Glossary]] has "Barrier". Aside from that, it's the same problem as with "Magical Girl/Puella Magi/Mahou Shoujo". We haven't really thought a guideline up yet. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Magic&diff=8165Talk:Magic2011-03-26T22:20:39Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>Isn't Mami's special ability her ribbons, while Kyoko's is her barrier?----[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 09:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Not sure how to approach this page yet. I'm just building a skeleton. Welcome to fill it up with actual information. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 09:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
Can all the girls use telepathy? Kyouko did it too call out to Sayaka and Madoka, but I think the other girls need QB as an in-between.<br />
I thought it was Kyouko's special ability: being heard by others. Like at the end of her fight with Octavia it seemed like she got through to her, as we saw Kyouko through Octavia's eyes.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 22:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== What category ==<br />
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I am not sure what category should this page belong under. Maybe Facts? [[User:Prima|Prima]] 02:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I currently added a link to this page under [[Articles]], so maybe the articles category as well? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 08:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
::"Articles" seems right to me. Since other articles also fall under "fanmade analysis", maybe add it too? (the category "articles" contains both analyses and speculah) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 10:25, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Witch's Maze, Labyrinth, or Lair ==<br />
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I'll like to know what term should this wiki use for this specific dimension. We also seem to be missing a page and/or this term in the glossary. [[User:Prima|Prima]] 11:04, 18 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The [[Glossary]] has "Barrier". Aside from that, it's the same problem as with "Magical Girl/Puella Magi/Mahou Shoujo". We haven't really thought a guideline up yet. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:08, 18 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kyubey&diff=8116Talk:Kyubey2011-03-25T14:34:42Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>==Redirection==<br />
Requesting name change to Kyubey. reason : [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu5-_UmmHQ4] [[User:Mic2070|Mic2070]] 10:38, 24 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Anyone object this? Otherwise I'm going to move it. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:53, 24 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::Go for it --[[User:MomoiroKakarichou|MomoiroKakarichou]] 15:02, 26 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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Shouldn't we add somewhere that he uses telepathy?<br />
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==Multiple Kyubeys/Respawning Kyubey==<br />
I remember there was quite a lot of speculah as to whether there is only one Kyubey, or multiple 'Kyubey' clones. Since it's mentionned in the 'Obervsations' section, I wondered if that theory has been mentionned in one of the articles? If so, it should be a good idea to add a link here. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 21:23, 24 February 2011 (UCT)<br />
:Maybe I overlooked it, but I couldn't found any article stating about respawning QB. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 22:06, 24 February 2011 (UCT)<br />
::I'm not sure about the respawning, but I think mutiple instances of QBe has been discussed at some point (hence the 'Kyubey Army' image macro). It may not be on the wiki though. I'll look for it in depths tomorrow if nobody's done it before, I have stuff to do now (like sleeping, for example) --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 22:11, 24 February 2011 (UCT)<br />
::What's this about him being a cat? I don't think he looks like a cat. I think he looks like a little demonspawn.<br />
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<br />
=="Familiar"==<br />
I'm not really sure where the term "familiar" comes from in his description? --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 02:30, 1 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Incidentally, [http://www.kyubey.jp/ Kyubey] is the romanization of the name of a restaurant in Ginza, Tokyo. --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 03:09, 1 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Where's that "familiar" you're talking about in this article? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 03:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
::The [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/index.php?title=Kyuubey&oldid=5052 diff] before I edited it, at the top. I replaced it with Mahou no Shisha, per the description on his official chara profile. --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 03:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Also, in plot synopsis on main page, the "there exist familiars" part obviously refers to Kyubey and possibly others of his kind. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 03:18, 1 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Edited. Though, again, I'm not sure where "familiars" came from. It seems like it's always been there, but nobody ever noticed. In any case, it's not really accurate. --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 03:20, 1 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Energy ==<br />
<br />
the article states that he needs energy for the earth. But as i understood he is an alien who needs energy for his planet and stores the energy that get´s released while using magic or transform into witches.<br />
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Anonymous: In actuality, he needs energy for the entire universe. Even though the show's understanding of thermodynamics is flawed (the amount of usable energy in the universe will decrease over time, but not the total amount of energy), we can't treat Earth or any other planet as a closed system; thus, when Kyuubey says "sekai" (I think that's the word he used?), he's almost definitely referring to the universe as a whole.<br />
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--picture-<br />
the mangaka of kuroshitsuji actually made a fanart crossover of kyubey and sebastian http://d-6th.com/blog/images/110217_qseba.jpg<br />
quite ironic since sebastian also has a faustian pact with ciel and will rip his (ciel´s) soul of as payment to fullfill his wish</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Astronomy&diff=8109Astronomy2011-03-25T12:31:57Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>[[File:Madoka Starry Sky.jpg|thumb|Madoka amongst the stars.]]<br />
This page is dedicated to astronomical information related to Madoka.<br />
<br />
==Extraterrestrial Life==<br />
In [[Episode 9]], [[Kyuubey]] reveals himself as an alien from outer space. His precise origins are indeterminate, but presumely he belongs to a scientifically advanced race that are either immortal or has mastered [[wikipedia:faster than light travel|faster than light travel]]. QB's specie is likely a hive-mind, similar to an ant-colony, such that all members share a collective conscious and memory.<br />
<br />
==Witches and celestial objects==<br />
Anonymous observes that nearly all the [[witch]]es and [[familiar]]s have names corresponding to [[wikipedia:celestial objects|celestial objects]] within the [[wikipedia:solar system|solar system]]:<br />
<br />
{|class="wikitable" style="line-height: 1.6em; width: 100%;"<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 20%;"|Character<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 30%;"|Celestial object<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 50%;"|Description<br />
|-<br />
![[Gertrud]]<br />
| 710 Gertrud<br />
|a minor planet orbiting the sun<br />
|-<br />
!Anthony<br />
| 272 Antonia <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Adelbert<br />
| 719 Albert <br />
|An asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Suleika]]<br />
| 563 Suleika <br />
|a minor planet orbiting the sun<br />
|-<br />
!Ulla<br />
| 375 Ursula <br />
|a large main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Charlotte]] <br />
| 543 Charlotte <br />
|a minor planet orbiting the Sun<br />
|-<br />
!Pyotr<br />
| 2720 Pyotr Pervyj <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Elly]] <br />
| 2650 Elinor <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Daniyyel <br />
| 2589 Daniel<br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Jennifer<br />
| 6249 Jennifer<br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Albertine]] <br />
| 1290 Albertine <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Anja<br />
| 265 Anna <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Gisela]] <br />
| 352 Gisela <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Dora<br />
| 668 Dora <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Elsa Maria]] <br />
| 182 Elsa <br /> 170 Maria <br />
|both asteroids<br />
|-<br />
!Sebastian<br />
| 1482 Sebastiana <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Uhrmann]] <br />
| possibly Hermann or 10239 Hermann <br />
|a lunar crater/a main belt asteroid. <br />
|-<br />
!Bartels <br />
| 17823 Bartels <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Oktavia]] <br />
| 598 Octavia <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Holger <br />
| 9266 Holger <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Klarissa<br />
| 302 Clarissa<br />
|a main belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Izabel]] <br />
| 210 Isabella <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Michaela<br />
| 1045 Michela<br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Patricia]] <br />
| 436 Patricia <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Mathieu<br />
| 1592 Mathieu<br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Roberta]] <br />
| 335 Roberta <br />
|a large main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Gotz<br />
| 2278 Gotz<br />
|a main belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Kriemhild Gretchen]] <br />
| 242 Kriemhild <br />
|a main-belt asteroid.<br />
|-<br />
![[speculah:Walpurgis Night|Walpurgis]] <br />
| 256 Walpurga <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Trivia==<br />
*The asteroid 2278 Götz is named after Paul Götz, an astronomer who discovered several asteroids, like 543 Charlotte and 563 Suleika.<br />
*182 Elsa, 210 Isabella, 242 Kriemhild, 256 Walpurga, 265 Anna, 710 Gertrud and 719 Albert were discovered by Austrian astronomer Johann Palisa. <br />
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[[Category:Articles]]<br />
[[Category:Fanmade analysis]]<br />
[[Category:Science]]</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Astronomy&diff=8108Astronomy2011-03-25T12:30:09Z<p>Cleo: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[File:Madoka Starry Sky.jpg|thumb|Madoka amongst the stars.]]<br />
This page is dedicated to astronomical information related to Madoka.<br />
<br />
==Extraterrestrial Life==<br />
In [[Episode 9]], [[Kyuubey]] reveals himself as an alien from outer space. His precise origins are indeterminate, but presumely he belongs to a scientifically advanced race that are either immortal or has mastered [[wikipedia:faster than light travel|faster than light travel]]. QB's specie is likely a hive-mind, similar to an ant-colony, such that all members share a collective conscious and memory.<br />
<br />
==Witches and celestial objects==<br />
Anonymous observes that nearly all the [[witch]]es and [[familiar]]s have names corresponding to [[wikipedia:celestial objects|celestial objects]] within the [[wikipedia:solar system|solar system]]:<br />
<br />
{|class="wikitable" style="line-height: 1.6em; width: 100%;"<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 20%;"|Character<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 30%;"|Celestial object<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 50%;"|Description<br />
|-<br />
![[Gertrud]]<br />
| 710 Gertrud<br />
|a minor planet orbiting the sun<br />
|-<br />
!Anthony<br />
| 272 Antonia <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Adelbert<br />
| 719 Albert <br />
|An asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Suleika]]<br />
| 563 Suleika <br />
|a minor planet orbiting the sun<br />
|-<br />
!Ulla<br />
| 375 Ursula <br />
|a large main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Charlotte]] <br />
| 543 Charlotte <br />
|a minor planet orbiting the Sun<br />
|-<br />
!Pyotr<br />
| 2720 Pyotr Pervyj <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Elly]] <br />
| 2650 Elinor <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Daniyyel <br />
| Daniell <br />
|a lunar crater<br />
|-<br />
!Jennifer<br />
| 6249 Jennifer<br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Albertine]] <br />
| 1290 Albertine <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Anja<br />
| 265 Anna <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Gisela]] <br />
| 352 Gisela <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Dora<br />
| 668 Dora <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Elsa Maria]] <br />
| 182 Elsa <br /> 170 Maria <br />
|both asteroids<br />
|-<br />
!Sebastian<br />
| 1482 Sebastiana <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Uhrmann]] <br />
| possibly Hermann or 10239 Hermann <br />
|a lunar crater/a main belt asteroid. <br />
|-<br />
!Bartels <br />
| 17823 Bartels <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Oktavia]] <br />
| 598 Octavia <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Holger <br />
| 9266 Holger <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Klarissa<br />
| 302 Clarissa<br />
|a main belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Izabel]] <br />
| 210 Isabella <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Michaela<br />
| 1045 Michela<br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Patricia]] <br />
| 436 Patricia <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Mathieu<br />
| 1592 Mathieu<br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Roberta]] <br />
| 335 Roberta <br />
|a large main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Gotz<br />
| 2278 Gotz<br />
|a main belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Kriemhild Gretchen]] <br />
| 242 Kriemhild <br />
|a main-belt asteroid.<br />
|-<br />
![[speculah:Walpurgis Night|Walpurgis]] <br />
| 256 Walpurga <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Trivia==<br />
*The asteroid 2278 Götz is named after Paul Götz, an astronomer who discovered several asteroids, like 543 Charlotte and 563 Suleika.<br />
*182 Elsa, 210 Isabella, 242 Kriemhild, 256 Walpurga, 265 Anna, 710 Gertrud and 719 Albert were discovered by Austrian astronomer Johann Palisa. <br />
<br />
[[Category:Articles]]<br />
[[Category:Fanmade analysis]]<br />
[[Category:Science]]</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Astronomy&diff=8107Astronomy2011-03-25T12:05:05Z<p>Cleo: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[File:Madoka Starry Sky.jpg|thumb|Madoka amongst the stars.]]<br />
This page is dedicated to astronomical information related to Madoka.<br />
<br />
==Extraterrestrial Life==<br />
In [[Episode 9]], [[Kyuubey]] reveals himself as an alien from outer space. His precise origins are indeterminate, but presumely he belongs to a scientifically advanced race that are either immortal or has mastered [[wikipedia:faster than light travel|faster than light travel]]. QB's specie is likely a hive-mind, similar to an ant-colony, such that all members share a collective conscious and memory.<br />
<br />
==Witches and celestial objects==<br />
Anonymous observes that nearly all the [[witch]]es and [[familiar]]s have names corresponding to [[wikipedia:celestial objects|celestial objects]] within the [[wikipedia:solar system|solar system]]:<br />
<br />
{|class="wikitable" style="line-height: 1.6em; width: 100%;"<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 20%;"|Character<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 30%;"|Celestial object<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 50%;"|Description<br />
|-<br />
![[Gertrud]]<br />
| 710 Gertrud<br />
|a minor planet orbiting the sun<br />
|-<br />
!Anthony<br />
| 272 Antonia <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Adelbert<br />
| 719 Albert <br />
|An asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Suleika]]<br />
| 563 Suleika <br />
|a minor planet orbiting the sun<br />
|-<br />
!Ulla<br />
| 375 Ursula <br />
|a large main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Charlotte]] <br />
| 543 Charlotte <br />
|a minor planet orbiting the Sun<br />
|-<br />
!Pyotr<br />
| 2720 Pyotr Pervyj <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Elly]] <br />
| 2650 Elinor <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Daniyyel <br />
| Daniell <br />
|a lunar crater<br />
|-<br />
!Jennifer<br />
| 6249 Jennifer<br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Albertine]] <br />
| 1290 Albertine <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Anja<br />
| 265 Anna <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Gisela]] <br />
| 352 Gisela <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Dora<br />
| 668 Dora <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Elsa Maria]] <br />
| 182 Elsa <br /> 170 Maria <br />
|both asteroids<br />
|-<br />
!Sebastian<br />
| 1482 Sebastiana <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Uhrmann]] <br />
| possibly Hermann or 10239 Hermann <br />
|a lunar crater/a main belt asteroid. <br />
|-<br />
!Bartels <br />
| 17823 Bartels <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Oktavia]] <br />
| 598 Octavia <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Holger <br />
| 9266 Holger <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Klarissa<br />
| 302 Clarissa<br />
|a main belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Izabel]] <br />
| 210 Isabella <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Michaela<br />
| 1045 Michela<br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Patricia]] <br />
| 436 Patricia <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Mathieu<br />
| 1592 Mathieu<br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Roberta]] <br />
| 335 Roberta <br />
|a large main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Gotz<br />
| 2278 Gotz<br />
|a main belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Kriemhild Gretchen]] <br />
| 242 Kriemhild <br />
|a main-belt asteroid.<br />
|-<br />
![[speculah:Walpurgis Night|Walpurgis]] <br />
| 256 Walpurga <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Articles]]<br />
[[Category:Fanmade analysis]]<br />
[[Category:Science]]</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Izabel&diff=8106Izabel2011-03-25T11:21:37Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>__NOTOC__<br />
'''Izabel''' ({{Runes|IZABEL}}) is one of the [[Witch|witches]] that appeared in [[Episode 10]]. Her name appeared in the episode as '''Isadel''', however a card that was released later corrected her name to be Izabel.<br />
<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Izabel<br />
|runes = IZABEL<br />
|image = File:Card_Isabel.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 芸術家の魔女。その性質は虚栄。自らを選ばれた存在であると疑わぬ魔女。誰かに自分の作品を見せたくて仕方が無く人間にも積極的に干渉してくるが、その結界内はどこかで見たようなものばかり。この魔女を倒したくば著名な批評家を連れてくればよい。<br />
|english_desc = The artist witch. Her nature is vanity. Without a slightest doubt, she believe her existence is blessed. Wanting someone to see her work, she often interfere with human world. However within her barrier only exist works that you have probably seen somewhere before. To defeat this witch, just bring a well-known critic with you.<br />
|type = Artist witch<br />
|nature = Vanity<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 10]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Minions==<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Michaela<br />
|runes = MICHAELA<br />
|image = File:Card_Michaela.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 芸術家の魔女の手下。その役割は作品。魔女によって命を奪われた人間はその体の一部分を盗まれ、この中に組み込まれてしまう。<br />
|english_desc = The artist witch's minion. Her role is to be a piece of artwork. Any human that has been killed by this witch will have their body parts placed within this familiar.<br />
|type = Artist witch's minion.<br />
|task = Artwork<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 10]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Speculations and Observations==<br />
*She seems to be able to speak, being the only witch who spoke something so far (Except Elly who could speak with Backmasking).<br />
**There is a possibility that a witch's speaking can be understood only by people who have been targeted by her.<br />
*Her barrier seems to be art-related. For example, the patterns Homura walks over before being engulfed by her barrier bear a striking resemblance Pablo Picasso's ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_(painting) Guernica]'', and Izabel is killed while bound to a facsimile of the ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc_de_Triomphe Arc de Triomphe]''.<br />
*Her name may have been derived from Princess [[wikipedia:Izabela_Czartoryska|Izabela Czartoryska]], founder of the first Polish museum.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center"><br />
File:Isadel.jpg|Izabel<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==External links==<br />
{{card_link|id=21}}<br />
{{card_link|id=22|name=Michaela}}<br />
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[[Category:Witches]]</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Gertrud&diff=8104Gertrud2011-03-25T11:06:13Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>__NOTOC__<br />
'''Gertrud''' ({{Runes|GERTRUD}}) is a witch born from negative emotions, who loves roses more than anything else--her [[barrier]] is full of them. She uses humans' life energy to feed her roses and hates humans entering her barrier. Her minions are [[Anthony]] and [[Adelbert]]. She and her barrier are presented in a surreal manner with bizarre cut-and-paste-style photo collages. She also seems to like mustaches as both of her minions have some. The special page has confirmed that the mustaches are set by the witch herself. Her "body" has parts from a butterfly, and butterflies are seen in her barrier at many points. (See also: [[Gertrud's maze]]).<br />
<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Gertrud<br />
|runes = GERTRUD<br />
|image = File:Card Gertrud.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 薔薇園の魔女。性質は不信。なによりも薔薇が大事。その力の全ては美しい薔薇のために。結界に迷い込んだ人間の生命力を奪い薔薇に分け与えているが、人間に結界内を踏み荒らされることは大嫌い。<br />
|english_desc = The rose garden witch with an insincere nature. She holds roses dearer than anything else. She expends all of her power for the sake of beautiful roses. Despite stealing the life-force of humans who wander into her barrier to give to her roses, she loathes the thought of them trampling the inside of her barrier.<br />
|type = Rose garden witch<br />
|nature = Insincere<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 2]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Minions==<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Anthony<br />
|runes = ANTHONY<br />
|image = File:Card Anthony.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 魔女の手下。その役割は造園。おヒゲは魔女にセットしてもらう。<br />
|english_desc = The witch's minion. His duty is landscaping. His mustache is set by the witch.<br />
|type = Rose garden witch's minion<br />
|nature = Landscaping<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 1]], [[Episode 2]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Adelbert<br />
|runes = ADELBERT<br />
|image = File:Card Adelbert.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 薔薇園の魔女の手下。 その役割は警戒。人間を見つけると、ベルのような警戒音を鳴らし、容赦ない頭突きを食らわせる。視力は 2.5。 小さなタイプは侵入者を阻む薔薇の蔦に変身可能。<br />
|english_desc = The rose garden witch's minion. His duty is to act as lookout. Upon seeing a human, he will sound a warning bell and headbutt him mercilessly. They have 2.5 (20/8) vision. The smaller type can change into rose vines to hinder intruders.<br />
|type = Rose garden witch's minion<br />
|nature = Lookout<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 2]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Note==<br />
In [[Episode 1]], Anthonys are seen surrounding Sayaka and Madoka and yelling the following German phrases in a distorted manner:<br />
{{Translation<br />
|german = Das sind mir unbekannte Blumen.<br />Ja, sie sind mir auch unbekannt.<br />Schneiden wir sie ab.<br />Ja schneiden doch sie ab.<br />Die Rosen schenken wir unserer Königin.<br />
|english = Those are unknown flowers to me.<br />Yes, they are unknown to me too.<br />Let's cut them off.<br />Yes, let's just cut them off.<br />We present the roses to our queen.<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Trivia and Speculation==<br />
*Gertrud's name may be a reference to [[wikipedia:Gertrude_(Hamlet)|Queen Gertrude]] from Shakespeare's play Hamlet.<br />
*Her name may be a reference to Gertrud Barkhorn from [[wikipedia:Strike Witches|Strike Witches]].<br />
*In episode 2 there's a grotesque image of Napoleon right before the door to Gertrud's barrier opens. Gertud may have been inspired by [[wikipedia:Josephine_Beauharnais|Joséphine de Beauharnais]], wife of Napoleon Bonaparte. She was known as Rose until she married Napoleon, and she patronized the development of rose breeding at her gardens at Malmaison, collecting some 250 varieties.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center"><br />
File:Witch homura.jpg|Gertrud's barrier appears in front of Homura<br />
File:Witch ep1.jpg|Madoka and Sayaka running around in the barrier<br />
File:Witch ep2 entering.jpg|Madoka and friends entering the barrier of the witch<br />
File:Witch ep2.jpg|The barrier in Episode 2is different to the one in Episode 1 (Perhaps due to the fact that in Episode 1 the witch was hidden from view)<br />
File:Gertrud encounter.png|The girls' first encounter with Gertrud<br />
File:Gertrud ep2.jpg|Gertrud as seen in the "final room" of the barrier<br />
File:Shot0023.png|Mami fighting Gertrud in the "final room" of the barrier<br />
File:Gertrud attacks.png|Gertrud displays what may be her original magical girl symbol overlaid with the witch's kiss symbol while attempting to attack Mami.<br />
File:Grief seed.png|The [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Glossary#Grief_seed Grief Seed] Gertrud dropped is a round ball decorated with thorned vines and topped by the rose and butterfly symbol.<br />
File:Gertrud madoka-magica.jpg|Speculah that appeared 2ch, positing that Gertrud's true form may have been a butterfly.<br />
File:Anthony scary.jpg<br />
File:Anthony normal.jpg<br />
File:Anthony helping.jpg<br />
File:Ep2 Anthony Dies.jpg|When Antonies dies only their upper body disappears, the bottom butterfly-part just flies away and Gertrud burst into butterflies when Mami killed her.<br />
File:Adelbert_flying.jpg|Adelberts flying around in the barrier<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==External links==<br />
*{{card_link|id=1|name=Anthony}}<br />
*{{card_link|id=2}}<br />
*{{card_link|id=3|name=Adelbert}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Witches]]</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Roberta&diff=8102Roberta2011-03-25T10:20:25Z<p>Cleo: </p>
<hr />
<div>__NOTOC__<br />
'''Roberta''' ({{Runes|ROBERTA}}) is one of the [[Witch|witches]] that appeared in [[Episode 10]]. It is speculated that this is Mami's witch form, since it has no head and muskets fly out during the explosion; however, the witch's official description seems to contradict this. Its clothing and the floor of its barrier also has a flower pattern on it; although it also seems to be a gear pattern.<br />
<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Roberta<br />
|runes = ROBERTA<br />
|image = File:Card_Roberta.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 鳥かごの魔女。その性質は憤怒。カゴの中で足を踏み鳴らし叶わぬもの達に憤り続ける。この魔女はアルコールに目がなく、手下達もまた非常に燃え易い。<br />
|english_desc = The birdcage witch. Her nature is rage. She continuously stamps her feet inside her cage, directing her rage at those who do not respond to her. This witch is extremely fond of alcohol, and her minions also get drunk very easily.<br />
|type = Birdcage witch<br />
|nature = Rage<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 10]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Minions==<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Gotz<br />
|runes = GOTZ<br />
|image = File:Card_Gotz.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 鳥かごの魔女の手下。その役割は軽薄無思慮。群がる鳥は馬鹿な男達。何の役にも立たないくせに彼女の気を引こうと足元へ言い寄ってくる。魔女にとっては嫌悪する対象でしかない。<br />
|english_desc = The birdcage witch's minion. His duty is act with frivolous indiscretion. These birds that swarm together are idiotic men. Even though they are total good-for-nothings, they try to attract her attention by swarming around her feet and attempting to woo her. They are nothing more than an object of disgust to the witch.<br />
|type = Birdcage witch's minions<br />
|task = Acting with frivolous indiscretion<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 10]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Trivia and Speculation==<br />
*Roberta's name may have been inspired by [[Wikipedia:Roberta_Knie|Roberta Knie]], an American soprano well-known for her role as Brunnhilde from Wagner's Ring des Nibelungen.<br />
*The name Gotz may have been derived from [[Wikipedia:Götz_von_Berlichingen|Götz von Berlichingen]], a German Imperial Knight and mercenary. Goethe wrote a play based on his life.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center"><br />
File:Roberta.png|Roberta<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==External links==<br />
*{{card_link|id=28}}<br />
*{{card_link|id=29|name=Gotz}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Witches]]</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Roberta&diff=8101Roberta2011-03-25T10:20:10Z<p>Cleo: </p>
<hr />
<div>__NOTOC__<br />
'''Roberta''' ({{Runes|ROBERTA}}) is one of the [[Witch|witches]] that appeared in [[Episode 10]]. It is speculated that this is Mami's witch form, since it has no head and muskets fly out during the explosion; however, the witch's official description seems to contradict this. Its clothing and the floor of its barrier also has a flower pattern on it; although it also seems to be a gear pattern.<br />
<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Roberta<br />
|runes = ROBERTA<br />
|image = File:Card_Roberta.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 鳥かごの魔女。その性質は憤怒。カゴの中で足を踏み鳴らし叶わぬもの達に憤り続ける。この魔女はアルコールに目がなく、手下達もまた非常に燃え易い。<br />
|english_desc = The birdcage witch. Her nature is rage. She continuously stamps her feet inside her cage, directing her rage at those who do not respond to her. This witch is extremely fond of alcohol, and her minions also get drunk very easily.<br />
|type = Birdcage witch<br />
|nature = Rage<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 10]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Minions==<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Gotz<br />
|runes = GOTZ<br />
|image = File:Card_Gotz.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 鳥かごの魔女の手下。その役割は軽薄無思慮。群がる鳥は馬鹿な男達。何の役にも立たないくせに彼女の気を引こうと足元へ言い寄ってくる。魔女にとっては嫌悪する対象でしかない。<br />
|english_desc = The birdcage witch's minion. His duty is act with frivolous indiscretion. These birds that swarm together are idiotic men. Even though they are total good-for-nothings, they try to attract her attention by swarming around her feet and attempting to woo her. They are nothing more than an object of disgust to the witch.<br />
|type = Birdcage witch's minions<br />
|task = Acting with frivolous indiscretion<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 10]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Trivia and Speculation==<br />
*Roberta's name may have been inspired by [[Wikipedia:Roberta_Knie|Roberta Knie]], an American soprano well-known for her role as Brunnhilde from Wagner's Ring des Nibelungen.<br />
*The name Gotz may have been derived from [[Wikipedia:Götz_von_Berlichingen|Götz von Berlichingen]], a German Imperial Knight and mercenary. <br />
Goethe wrote a play based on his life.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center"><br />
File:Roberta.png|Roberta<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==External links==<br />
*{{card_link|id=28}}<br />
*{{card_link|id=29|name=Gotz}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Witches]]</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Roberta&diff=8100Roberta2011-03-25T10:19:38Z<p>Cleo: </p>
<hr />
<div>__NOTOC__<br />
'''Roberta''' ({{Runes|ROBERTA}}) is one of the [[Witch|witches]] that appeared in [[Episode 10]]. It is speculated that this is Mami's witch form, since it has no head and muskets fly out during the explosion; however, the witch's official description seems to contradict this. Its clothing and the floor of its barrier also has a flower pattern on it; although it also seems to be a gear pattern.<br />
<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Roberta<br />
|runes = ROBERTA<br />
|image = File:Card_Roberta.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 鳥かごの魔女。その性質は憤怒。カゴの中で足を踏み鳴らし叶わぬもの達に憤り続ける。この魔女はアルコールに目がなく、手下達もまた非常に燃え易い。<br />
|english_desc = The birdcage witch. Her nature is rage. She continuously stamps her feet inside her cage, directing her rage at those who do not respond to her. This witch is extremely fond of alcohol, and her minions also get drunk very easily.<br />
|type = Birdcage witch<br />
|nature = Rage<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 10]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Minions==<br />
{{Card<br />
|name = Gotz<br />
|runes = GOTZ<br />
|image = File:Card_Gotz.png<br />
|japanese_desc = 鳥かごの魔女の手下。その役割は軽薄無思慮。群がる鳥は馬鹿な男達。何の役にも立たないくせに彼女の気を引こうと足元へ言い寄ってくる。魔女にとっては嫌悪する対象でしかない。<br />
|english_desc = The birdcage witch's minion. His duty is act with frivolous indiscretion. These birds that swarm together are idiotic men. Even though they are total good-for-nothings, they try to attract her attention by swarming around her feet and attempting to woo her. They are nothing more than an object of disgust to the witch.<br />
|type = Birdcage witch's minions<br />
|task = Acting with frivolous indiscretion<br />
|episodes = [[Episode 10]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
==Trivia and Speculation==<br />
*Roberta's name may have been inspired by [[Wikipedia:Roberta_Knie|Roberta Knie]], an American soprano well-known for her role as Brunnhilde from Wagner's Ring des Nibelungen.<br />
*The name Gotz may have been derived from [[Wikipedia:Götz_von_Berlichingen|Götz von Berlichingen]], a German Imperial Knight and mercenary. Goethe wrote a play based on his life.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<gallery captionalign="left" position="center"><br />
File:Roberta.png|Roberta<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
==External links==<br />
*{{card_link|id=28}}<br />
*{{card_link|id=29|name=Gotz}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Witches]]</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Astronomy&diff=7947Astronomy2011-03-24T11:13:55Z<p>Cleo: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[File:Madoka Starry Sky.jpg|thumb|Madoka amongst the stars.]]<br />
This page is dedicated to astronomical information related to Madoka.<br />
<br />
==Extraterrestrial Life==<br />
In [[Episode 9]], [[Kyuubey]] reveals himself as an alien from outer space. His precise origins are indeterminate, but presumely he belongs to a scientifically advanced race that are either immortal or has mastered [[wikipedia:faster than light travel|faster than light travel]]. QB's specie is likely a hive-mind, similar to an ant-colony, such that all members share a collective conscious and memory.<br />
<br />
==Witches and celestial objects==<br />
Anonymous observes that nearly all the [[witch]]es and [[familiar]]s have names corresponding to [[wikipedia:celestial objects|celestial objects]] within the [[wikipedia:solar system|solar system]]:<br />
<br />
{|class="wikitable" style="line-height: 1.6em; width: 100%;"<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 20%;"|Character<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 30%;"|Celestial object<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 50%;"|Description<br />
|-<br />
![[Gertrud]]<br />
| 710 Gertrud<br />
|a minor planet orbiting the sun<br />
|-<br />
!Anthony<br />
| 272 Antonia <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Adelbert<br />
| 719 Albert <br />
|An asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Suleika]]<br />
| 563 Suleika <br />
|a minor planet orbiting the sun<br />
|-<br />
!Ulla<br />
| 375 Ursula <br />
|a large main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Charlotte]] <br />
|Charles <br />
| a lunar crater<br />
|-<br />
!Pyotr<br />
| 2720 Pyotr Pervyj <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Elly]] <br />
| 2650 Elinor <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Daniyyel <br />
| Daniell <br />
|a lunar crater<br />
|-<br />
!Jennifer<br />
| 6249 Jennifer<br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Albertine]] <br />
| 1290 Albertine <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Anja<br />
| 265 Anna <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Gisela]] <br />
| 352 Gisela <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Dora<br />
| 668 Dora <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Elsa Maria]] <br />
| 182 Elsa <br /> 170 Maria <br />
|both asteroids<br />
|-<br />
!Sebastian<br />
| 1482 Sebastiana <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Uhrmann]] <br />
| possibly Hermann or 10239 Hermann <br />
|a lunar crater/a main belt asteroid. <br />
|-<br />
!Bartels <br />
| 17823 Bartels <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Oktavia]] <br />
| 598 Octavia <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Holger <br />
| 9266 Holger <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Klarissa<br />
| 302 Clarissa<br />
|a main belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Isabel]] <br />
| 210 Isabella <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Michaela<br />
| 1045 Michela<br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Patricia]] <br />
| 436 Patricia <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Mathieu<br />
| 1592 Mathieu<br />
|a main belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Roberta]] <br />
| 335 Roberta <br />
|a large main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Gotz<br />
| 2278 Gotz<br />
|a main belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Kriemhild Gretchen]] <br />
| 242 Kriemhild <br />
|a main-belt asteroid.<br />
|-<br />
![[speculah:Walpurgis Night|Walpurgis]] <br />
| 256 Walpurga <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Articles]]<br />
[[Category:Fanmade analysis]]<br />
[[Category:Science]]</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Astronomy&diff=7946Astronomy2011-03-24T11:09:47Z<p>Cleo: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[File:Madoka Starry Sky.jpg|thumb|Madoka amongst the stars.]]<br />
This page is dedicated to astronomical information related to Madoka.<br />
<br />
==Extraterrestrial Life==<br />
In [[Episode 9]], [[Kyuubey]] reveals himself as an alien from outer space. His precise origins are indeterminate, but presumely he belongs to a scientifically advanced race that are either immortal or has mastered [[wikipedia:faster than light travel|faster than light travel]]. QB's specie is likely a hive-mind, similar to an ant-colony, such that all members share a collective conscious and memory.<br />
<br />
==Witches and celestial objects==<br />
Anonymous observes that nearly all the [[witch]]es and [[familiar]]s have names corresponding to [[wikipedia:celestial objects|celestial objects]] within the [[wikipedia:solar system|solar system]]:<br />
<br />
{|class="wikitable" style="line-height: 1.6em; width: 100%;"<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 20%;"|Character<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 30%;"|Celestial object<br />
! style="text-align: center; background: #efefef; width: 50%;"|Description<br />
|-<br />
![[Gertrud]]<br />
| 710 Gertrud<br />
|a minor planet orbiting the sun<br />
|-<br />
!Anthony<br />
| 272 Antonia <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Adelbert<br />
| 719 Albert <br />
|An asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Suleika]]<br />
| 563 Suleika <br />
|a minor planet orbiting the sun<br />
|-<br />
!Ulla<br />
| 375 Ursula <br />
|a large main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Charlotte]] <br />
|Charles <br />
| a lunar crater<br />
|-<br />
!Pyotr<br />
| 2720 Pyotr Pervyj <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Elly]] <br />
| 2650 Elinor <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Daniyyel <br />
| Daniell <br />
|a lunar crater<br />
|-<br />
!Jennifer<br />
| 6249 Jennifer<br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Albertine]] <br />
| 1290 Albertine <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Anja<br />
| 265 Anna <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Gisela]] <br />
| 352 Gisela <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Dora<br />
| 668 Dora <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Elsa Maria]] <br />
| 182 Elsa <br /> 170 Maria <br />
|both asteroids<br />
|-<br />
!Sebastian<br />
| 1482 Sebastiana <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Uhrmann]] <br />
| possibly Hermann or 10239 Hermann <br />
|a lunar crater/a main belt asteroid. <br />
|-<br />
!Bartels <br />
| 17823 Bartels <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Oktavia]] <br />
| 598 Octavia <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Holger <br />
| 9266 Holger <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Klarissa<br />
| 302 Clarissa<br />
|a main belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Isabel]] <br />
| 210 Isabella <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Patricia]] <br />
| 436 Patricia <br />
|a main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Mathieu<br />
| 1592 Mathieu<br />
|a main belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Roberta]] <br />
| 335 Roberta <br />
|a large main-belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
!Gotz<br />
| 2278 Gotz<br />
|a main belt asteroid<br />
|-<br />
![[Kriemhild Gretchen]] <br />
| 242 Kriemhild <br />
|a main-belt asteroid.<br />
|-<br />
![[speculah:Walpurgis Night|Walpurgis]] <br />
| 256 Walpurga <br />
|an asteroid<br />
|}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Articles]]<br />
[[Category:Fanmade analysis]]<br />
[[Category:Science]]</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Oktavia_von_Seckendorff&diff=7282Talk:Oktavia von Seckendorff2011-03-18T11:41:59Z<p>Cleo: </p>
<hr />
<div>Oktaive comes from Okatve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octave it is a musical word so it does makes sense<br />
<br />
== Runes name ==<br />
<br />
Once the musical webfont is made, her name (as well as Holger's) should be written in Musical Runes, since it's how it's displayed both on-screen and on the card. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 19:36, 9 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Card TL ==<br />
Alternative translation for the card:<br />
The mermaid witch. Her nature is that of falling in love. The witch's domain is that of the concert hall that deeply moved her long ago. Her Wheel of Fate bears the load of only her memories and no longer rolls towards the future. Nothing can reach her. She no longer wants to know anything. Now she merely does not forgive those who interrupt the performance of her underlings.<br />
<br />
The witch of Mermaid. Her nature is love attachment. She moves around together with concert hall while dreaming her good days. Her rolling fate is only her memories and can no longer move to the future. Nothing can reach her. No longer anything she could know. She can't forgive anyone who interrupt her familiar's music.<br />
<br />
*changes were made --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 20:53, 9 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Falling in Love or Love Attachment?==<br />
I prefer Love Attachment, it makes sense since she cannot give up her childhood love. What about you guys? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 03:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:It just sounds so awkward, and I get the feeling that somebody misunderstood the dictionary definition ("'''love, attachment,''' tender emotions, falling in love") when they wrote that. Besides, her obstinacy and refusal to give up her love is basically what the rest of the card text is about.--[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 05:18, 11 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Characters&diff=7190Talk:Characters2011-03-17T21:01:01Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>==Walpurgis Night==<br />
Walpurgis Night has been confirmed to be a witch on the official website. Hence, I added a link to the speculah article here. When more info on the witch is gathered, I think we should make a separate page for the witch herself. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 18:18, 9 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Refactoring ==<br />
<br />
I like that new design. We should apply it to the witches section too. The problem is that using the cards as images renders pretty meh (see below -- the biggest problem is that we lack a lot of cards). Any idea? --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:42, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
{|class="wikitable" style="width:100%;text-align:center;"<br />
!colspan="6"|Witches and minions<br />
|-<br />
|style="width:16.5%;"|[[File:Card Gertrud.png|120px|link=Gertrud]]<br />
|style="width:16.5%;"|[[File:Card Suleika.png|120px|link=Suleika]]<br />
|style="width:16.5%;"|[[File:Card Charlotte.png|120px|link=Charlotte]]<br />
|style="width:16.5%;"|[[File:Card Elly.png|120px|link=Elly]]<br />
|style="width:16.5%;"|[[File:Card Albertine.png|120px|link=Albertine]]<br />
|style="width:16.5%;"|[[File:Card Gisela.png|120px|link=Gisela]]<br />
|-<br />
|'''[[Gertrud]]'''<br />
|'''[[Suleika]]'''<br />
|'''[[Charlotte]]'''<br />
|'''[[Elly|Elly (Kristen)]]'''<br />
|'''[[Albertine]]'''<br />
|'''[[Gisela]]'''<br />
|-<br />
|[[Anthony]] -- [[Adelbert]]<br />
|[[Ulla]]<br />
|[[Pyotr]]<br />
|[[Elly#Daniyyel_.26_Jennifer|Danyyiel -- Jennifer]]<br />
|[[Anja]]<br />
|[[Elsa_Maria#Sebastians|Sebastian's]]<br />
|-<br />
|style="width:16.5%;"|[[File:Card Uhrmann.png|120px|link=Uhrmann]]<br />
|style="width:16.5%;"|[[File:Card Oktavia.png|120px|link=Oktavia von Seckendorff]]<br />
|style="width:16.5%;"|NO IMAGE<br />
|style="width:16.5%;"|NO IMAGE<br />
|style="width:16.5%;"|NO IMAGE<br />
|style="width:16.5%;"|NO IMAGE<br />
|-<br />
|'''[[Uhrmann]]'''<br />
|'''[[Oktavia von Seckendorff]]'''<br />
|'''[[Isadel]]'''<br />
|'''[[Patricia]]'''<br />
|'''[[Roberta]]'''<br />
|'''[[Kriemhild Gretchen]]'''<br />
|-<br />
|[[Holger]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|style="width:16.5%; height: 200px;"|NO IMAGE<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|'''[[Speculah:Walpurgis Night|Walpurgis Night]]'''<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|}<br />
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I like it, but the lines between cards and links should be removed. We could use normal screenshots for the missing pictures or a ? pic like Suleika if the character did not appear in the series. On a related note, the parts about the witch in the [[Sayaka]] article should be moved to the [[Oktavia]] article. -- [[User:Anon-kun|Anon-kun]] 18:39, 17 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I agree with Anon-kun about the lines. I think a ? pic would be better than a screenshot.<br />
And can someone take a look at the speculah on Gertrud I added (under talk)?</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mitakihara_Town&diff=6399Talk:Mitakihara Town2011-03-11T15:05:49Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>== Episode 8 Additions ==<br />
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Since I don't have privileges yet, someone add this to the EP8 entry.<br />
The bus stop resembles similar bus stops from the city of Curitiba, Brazil. For example: [http://digilander.libero.it/girini/375026780_0cc75c8850_o.jpg].<br />
:Added, thanks --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:29, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Also, the interior of Saki's maze/seed resembles the large pysankas also found in the same town. Examples (scroll to the very bottom) [http://web.mac.com/lubap/Miscellany/Big.html]. --[[User:Wait|Wait]] 03:12, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[http://twitter.com/satellitesat/status/41376449227268096 This tweet] mentions Tokyo Monorail, but I can't find it (or rather, I'm too lazy to look for it right now)... Any idea? --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 11:28, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry, it's not Tokyo Monorail (the one that connects Haneda Airport to downtown Tokyo), but [[Wikipedia:Tama_monorail|Tama monorail]], another monorail in Tokyo; I mixed them up because I didn't know of that one. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 20:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::[http://twitpic.com/43hlih Found it]. Don't know if we should add it without the author's consent tho --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 20:19, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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That Burj Al Arab doesn't really look like it to me. But I guess they could have based the design on that, so hmmm. [[User:Holycrap|Holycrap]] 22:27, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah, it's a bit more approximate than the other ones, so it's hard to tell if that was supposed to be it or not (especially since the other backgrounds have a lot of buildings with various shapes). --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 22:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[[File:Ep8 unknown buildings.jpg|thumb|Unidentified Buildings]]<br />
Reposting the buildings that actually might be something, just in case someone finds out ... (may be totally random buildings Shaft made up on the spot tho). --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 22:38, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Wouldn't it be better to move the Triumf Archs from ep 10 to Isadel's page? It's strange to have it under the Mitakihara Town banner.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 15:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Madoka_Magica_Episode_10:_I_Won%27t_Rely_On_Anyone_Anymore&diff=6176Talk:Madoka Magica Episode 10: I Won't Rely On Anyone Anymore2011-03-10T19:47:54Z<p>Cleo: Blanked the page</p>
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<div></div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Madoka_Magica_Episode_10:_I_Won%27t_Rely_On_Anyone_Anymore&diff=6174Talk:Madoka Magica Episode 10: I Won't Rely On Anyone Anymore2011-03-10T19:44:49Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>There are 4 timelines. In the 2nd one Homura is a clumsy MG and fights witch Patricia together with Mami & Madoka. Homura resets time, when Madoka turns into a witch.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 19:44, 10 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Madoka_Magica_Episode_10:_I_Won%27t_Rely_On_Anyone_Anymore&diff=6172Talk:Madoka Magica Episode 10: I Won't Rely On Anyone Anymore2011-03-10T19:44:22Z<p>Cleo: Created page with "There are 4 timelines. In the 2nd one Homura is a clumsy MG and fights witch Patricia together with Mami & Madoka. Homura rests time, when Madoka turns into a witch.~~~~"</p>
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<div>There are 4 timelines. In the 2nd one Homura is a clumsy MG and fights witch Patricia together with Mami & Madoka. Homura rests time, when Madoka turns into a witch.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 19:44, 10 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gertrud&diff=5895Talk:Gertrud2011-03-08T19:00:34Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>We need: More pictures from the barrier, more pictures from the witch herself, a picture of her grief seed, a barrier article and a general analyzation of what happened in her barrier and how she exactly fought Mami. -- [[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 12:56, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Added to the [[wishlist]]. I think you should post these kind of stuff there, it has a better visibility than the talkpages --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 13:25, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
i was putting up the translation of faust quote on the exit and the table broke. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 08:51, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::Fixed, though I think the Faust references are better located in [[Facts_and_Observations]], since they are not really a part of the barrier. [[User:Mic2070|Mic2070]] 08:59, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::i dont think the barrier is only limited by those doors. all the other quotes are there too. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:05, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::Now that I think about it, the quotes aren't exactly in the barrier so I think we should move them back.<br />
:::::its not even moved. i didnt delete it. its still there --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:10, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::I am in favour of obliterating them from this page. [[User:Himmel|Himmel]] 09:13, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::why? its not like they cant coexist and i think its not the same content on the trivia page. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:16, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::We are not sure whether the Faust quote is really that big of a plot point and not just some "fun fact" that's why I think it should stay in the trivia. --[[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 09:20, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::::>is really that big of a plot point and not just some "fun fact" .that is boring --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:35, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::Come on, undo it to the previous version without Faustian text on the wall, it doesn't belong to this article. Are you telling us that we should move all the Faustian references from the inside of the barrier to this page too? [[User:Commie|Commie]] 09:28, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::::why not? for easier viewing if the page accumulates too large of a content we can split the Gertrude barrier onto a different page --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:35, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
i got new content and i think it will make this page too big and will not be pleasant to read. i am moving it to location -> Gertrude's lair --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 16:13, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
<br />
Speculation on Gertrud:<br />
her name might be based on Gertrud Jekyll, an English garden designer<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Jekyll<br />
She worked together with an architect (there's lots of classical architecture in ep 1), she was into photography and the Jekyll gives it a nice touch.<br />
<br />
Or Joséphine de Beauharnais, wife of Napoleon<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Beauharnais<br />
Known as Rose until she married Napoleon, and she patronized the development of rose breeding at her gardens at Malmaison. (see Rose wiki). Might explain the crowns everywhere.<br />
There's also an image of Napoleon in ep 2, while the doors to her inner barrier are opening.<br />
The runes also mention : present the roses to the queen.<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Malmaison<br />
Malmaison was close to Paris (Eiffeltower) and headquarters of the French government for a couple of years.<br />
Some of the architecture in the ep resembles that of Carmes prison, where Josephine stayed for ca. 3 months http://didine67.d.i.pic.centerblog.net/zmmw670s.jpg<br />
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_des_Carmes<br />
http://img.over-blog.com/500x738/1/42/12/52/Photos-Cultes-27/eglise_st_joseph_carmes.jpg<br />
<br />
Also from wiki (butterfly): According to Kwaidan: Stories and Studies of Strange Things, by Lafcadio Hearn, a butterfly was seen in Japan as the personification of a person's soul; whether they be living, dying, or already dead. One Japanese superstition says that if a butterfly enters your guestroom and perches behind the bamboo screen, the person whom you most love is coming to see you. However, large numbers of butterflies are viewed as bad omens. When Taira no Masakado was secretly preparing for his famous revolt, there appeared in Kyoto so vast a swarm of butterflies that the people were frightened — thinking the apparition to be a portent of coming evil.<br />
Moustaches: maybe a hint towards Puccini (who wrote Madame butterfly)<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Puccini</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gertrud&diff=5889Talk:Gertrud2011-03-08T17:51:21Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>We need: More pictures from the barrier, more pictures from the witch herself, a picture of her grief seed, a barrier article and a general analyzation of what happened in her barrier and how she exactly fought Mami. -- [[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 12:56, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Added to the [[wishlist]]. I think you should post these kind of stuff there, it has a better visibility than the talkpages --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 13:25, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
i was putting up the translation of faust quote on the exit and the table broke. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 08:51, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::Fixed, though I think the Faust references are better located in [[Facts_and_Observations]], since they are not really a part of the barrier. [[User:Mic2070|Mic2070]] 08:59, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::i dont think the barrier is only limited by those doors. all the other quotes are there too. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:05, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::Now that I think about it, the quotes aren't exactly in the barrier so I think we should move them back.<br />
:::::its not even moved. i didnt delete it. its still there --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:10, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::I am in favour of obliterating them from this page. [[User:Himmel|Himmel]] 09:13, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::why? its not like they cant coexist and i think its not the same content on the trivia page. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:16, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::We are not sure whether the Faust quote is really that big of a plot point and not just some "fun fact" that's why I think it should stay in the trivia. --[[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 09:20, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::::>is really that big of a plot point and not just some "fun fact" .that is boring --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:35, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::Come on, undo it to the previous version without Faustian text on the wall, it doesn't belong to this article. Are you telling us that we should move all the Faustian references from the inside of the barrier to this page too? [[User:Commie|Commie]] 09:28, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::::why not? for easier viewing if the page accumulates too large of a content we can split the Gertrude barrier onto a different page --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:35, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
i got new content and i think it will make this page too big and will not be pleasant to read. i am moving it to location -> Gertrude's lair --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 16:13, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
<br />
Speculation on Gertrud:<br />
her name might be based on Gertrud Jekyll, an English garden designer<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Jekyll<br />
She worked together with an architect (there's lots of classical architecture in ep 1), she was into photography and the Jekyll gives it a nice touch.<br />
<br />
Or Joséphine de Beauharnais, wife of Napoleon<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Beauharnais<br />
Known as Rose until she married Napoleon, and she patronized the development of rose breeding at her gardens at Malmaison. (see Rose wiki). Might explain the crowns everywhere.<br />
There's also an image of Napoleon in ep 2.<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Malmaison<br />
Malmaison was close to Paris (Eiffeltower) and headquarters of the French government for a couple of years.<br />
Some of the architecture in the ep resembles that of Carmes prison, where Josephine stayed for ca. 3 months http://didine67.d.i.pic.centerblog.net/zmmw670s.jpg<br />
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_des_Carmes<br />
http://img.over-blog.com/500x738/1/42/12/52/Photos-Cultes-27/eglise_st_joseph_carmes.jpg<br />
<br />
Also from wiki (butterfly): According to Kwaidan: Stories and Studies of Strange Things, by Lafcadio Hearn, a butterfly was seen in Japan as the personification of a person's soul; whether they be living, dying, or already dead. One Japanese superstition says that if a butterfly enters your guestroom and perches behind the bamboo screen, the person whom you most love is coming to see you. However, large numbers of butterflies are viewed as bad omens. When Taira no Masakado was secretly preparing for his famous revolt, there appeared in Kyoto so vast a swarm of butterflies that the people were frightened — thinking the apparition to be a portent of coming evil.<br />
Moustaches: maybe a hint towards Puccini (who wrote Madame butterfly)<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Puccini</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gertrud&diff=5882Talk:Gertrud2011-03-08T15:30:26Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>We need: More pictures from the barrier, more pictures from the witch herself, a picture of her grief seed, a barrier article and a general analyzation of what happened in her barrier and how she exactly fought Mami. -- [[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 12:56, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Added to the [[wishlist]]. I think you should post these kind of stuff there, it has a better visibility than the talkpages --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 13:25, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
i was putting up the translation of faust quote on the exit and the table broke. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 08:51, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::Fixed, though I think the Faust references are better located in [[Facts_and_Observations]], since they are not really a part of the barrier. [[User:Mic2070|Mic2070]] 08:59, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::i dont think the barrier is only limited by those doors. all the other quotes are there too. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:05, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::Now that I think about it, the quotes aren't exactly in the barrier so I think we should move them back.<br />
:::::its not even moved. i didnt delete it. its still there --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:10, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::I am in favour of obliterating them from this page. [[User:Himmel|Himmel]] 09:13, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::why? its not like they cant coexist and i think its not the same content on the trivia page. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:16, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::We are not sure whether the Faust quote is really that big of a plot point and not just some "fun fact" that's why I think it should stay in the trivia. --[[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 09:20, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::::>is really that big of a plot point and not just some "fun fact" .that is boring --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:35, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::Come on, undo it to the previous version without Faustian text on the wall, it doesn't belong to this article. Are you telling us that we should move all the Faustian references from the inside of the barrier to this page too? [[User:Commie|Commie]] 09:28, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::::why not? for easier viewing if the page accumulates too large of a content we can split the Gertrude barrier onto a different page --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:35, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
i got new content and i think it will make this page too big and will not be pleasant to read. i am moving it to location -> Gertrude's lair --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 16:13, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
<br />
Speculation on Gertrud:<br />
her name might be based on Gertrud Jekyll, an English garden designer<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Jekyll<br />
She worked together with an architect (there's lots of classical architecture in ep 1), she was into photography and the Jekyll gives it a nice touch.<br />
<br />
Or Joséphine de Beauharnais, wife of Napoleon<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Beauharnais<br />
Known as Rose until she married Napoleon, and she patronized the development of rose breeding at her gardens at Malmaison. (see Rose wiki). Might explain the crowns everywhere.<br />
There's also an image of Napoleon in ep 2.<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Malmaison<br />
Malmaison was close to Paris (Eiffeltower) and headquarters of the French government for a couple of years.<br />
Some of the architecture in the ep resembles that of Carmes prison, where Josephine stayed for ca. 3 months http://didine67.d.i.pic.centerblog.net/zmmw670s.jpg<br />
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_des_Carmes<br />
<br />
Also from wiki (butterfly): According to Kwaidan: Stories and Studies of Strange Things, by Lafcadio Hearn, a butterfly was seen in Japan as the personification of a person's soul; whether they be living, dying, or already dead. One Japanese superstition says that if a butterfly enters your guestroom and perches behind the bamboo screen, the person whom you most love is coming to see you. However, large numbers of butterflies are viewed as bad omens. When Taira no Masakado was secretly preparing for his famous revolt, there appeared in Kyoto so vast a swarm of butterflies that the people were frightened — thinking the apparition to be a portent of coming evil.<br />
Moustaches: maybe a hint towards Puccini (who wrote Madame butterfly)<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Puccini</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gertrud&diff=5879Talk:Gertrud2011-03-08T14:47:11Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>We need: More pictures from the barrier, more pictures from the witch herself, a picture of her grief seed, a barrier article and a general analyzation of what happened in her barrier and how she exactly fought Mami. -- [[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 12:56, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Added to the [[wishlist]]. I think you should post these kind of stuff there, it has a better visibility than the talkpages --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 13:25, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
i was putting up the translation of faust quote on the exit and the table broke. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 08:51, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::Fixed, though I think the Faust references are better located in [[Facts_and_Observations]], since they are not really a part of the barrier. [[User:Mic2070|Mic2070]] 08:59, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::i dont think the barrier is only limited by those doors. all the other quotes are there too. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:05, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::Now that I think about it, the quotes aren't exactly in the barrier so I think we should move them back.<br />
:::::its not even moved. i didnt delete it. its still there --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:10, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::I am in favour of obliterating them from this page. [[User:Himmel|Himmel]] 09:13, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::why? its not like they cant coexist and i think its not the same content on the trivia page. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:16, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::We are not sure whether the Faust quote is really that big of a plot point and not just some "fun fact" that's why I think it should stay in the trivia. --[[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 09:20, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::::>is really that big of a plot point and not just some "fun fact" .that is boring --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:35, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::Come on, undo it to the previous version without Faustian text on the wall, it doesn't belong to this article. Are you telling us that we should move all the Faustian references from the inside of the barrier to this page too? [[User:Commie|Commie]] 09:28, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::::why not? for easier viewing if the page accumulates too large of a content we can split the Gertrude barrier onto a different page --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:35, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
i got new content and i think it will make this page too big and will not be pleasant to read. i am moving it to location -> Gertrude's lair --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 16:13, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
<br />
Speculation on Gertrud:<br />
her name might be based on Gertrud Jekyll, an English garden designer<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Jekyll<br />
She worked together with an architect (there's lots of classical architecture in ep 1), she was into photography and the Jekyll gives it a nice touch.<br />
<br />
Or Joséphine de Beauharnais, wife of Napoleon<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Beauharnais<br />
Known as Rose until she married Napoleon, and she patronized the development of rose breeding at her gardens at Malmaison. (see Rose wiki). Might explain the crowns everywhere.<br />
There's also an image of Napoleon in ep 2.<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Malmaison<br />
Malmaison was close to Paris (Eiffeltower) and headquarters of the French government for a couple of years.<br />
Also from wiki (butterfly): According to Kwaidan: Stories and Studies of Strange Things, by Lafcadio Hearn, a butterfly was seen in Japan as the personification of a person's soul; whether they be living, dying, or already dead. One Japanese superstition says that if a butterfly enters your guestroom and perches behind the bamboo screen, the person whom you most love is coming to see you. However, large numbers of butterflies are viewed as bad omens. When Taira no Masakado was secretly preparing for his famous revolt, there appeared in Kyoto so vast a swarm of butterflies that the people were frightened — thinking the apparition to be a portent of coming evil.<br />
Moustaches: maybe a hint towards Puccini (who wrote Madame butterfly)<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Puccini</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gertrud&diff=5878Talk:Gertrud2011-03-08T14:24:24Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>We need: More pictures from the barrier, more pictures from the witch herself, a picture of her grief seed, a barrier article and a general analyzation of what happened in her barrier and how she exactly fought Mami. -- [[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 12:56, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Added to the [[wishlist]]. I think you should post these kind of stuff there, it has a better visibility than the talkpages --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 13:25, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
i was putting up the translation of faust quote on the exit and the table broke. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 08:51, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::Fixed, though I think the Faust references are better located in [[Facts_and_Observations]], since they are not really a part of the barrier. [[User:Mic2070|Mic2070]] 08:59, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::i dont think the barrier is only limited by those doors. all the other quotes are there too. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:05, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::Now that I think about it, the quotes aren't exactly in the barrier so I think we should move them back.<br />
:::::its not even moved. i didnt delete it. its still there --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:10, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::I am in favour of obliterating them from this page. [[User:Himmel|Himmel]] 09:13, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::why? its not like they cant coexist and i think its not the same content on the trivia page. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:16, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::We are not sure whether the Faust quote is really that big of a plot point and not just some "fun fact" that's why I think it should stay in the trivia. --[[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 09:20, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::::>is really that big of a plot point and not just some "fun fact" .that is boring --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:35, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::Come on, undo it to the previous version without Faustian text on the wall, it doesn't belong to this article. Are you telling us that we should move all the Faustian references from the inside of the barrier to this page too? [[User:Commie|Commie]] 09:28, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::::why not? for easier viewing if the page accumulates too large of a content we can split the Gertrude barrier onto a different page --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:35, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
i got new content and i think it will make this page too big and will not be pleasant to read. i am moving it to location -> Gertrude's lair --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 16:13, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
<br />
Speculation on Gertrud:<br />
her name might be based on Gertrud Jekyll, an English garden designer<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Jekyll<br />
She worked together with an architect (there's lots of classical architecture in ep 1), she was into photography and the Jekyll gives it a nice touch.<br />
Doesn't explain the Eiffeltower though.<br />
or Joséphine de Beauharnais, wife of Napoleon<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Beauharnais<br />
Known as Rose until she married Napoleon, and she patronized the development of rose breeding at her gardens at Malmaison. (see Rose wiki). Might explain the crowns everywhere.<br />
There's also an image of Napoleon in ep 2.<br />
Lose observation: Eiffeltower brings to mind the Exposition Universelle (1889). Around that same time George Eastman developed the technology of film to replace photographic plates.</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gertrud&diff=5873Talk:Gertrud2011-03-08T12:04:04Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>We need: More pictures from the barrier, more pictures from the witch herself, a picture of her grief seed, a barrier article and a general analyzation of what happened in her barrier and how she exactly fought Mami. -- [[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 12:56, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:Added to the [[wishlist]]. I think you should post these kind of stuff there, it has a better visibility than the talkpages --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 13:25, 19 January 2011 (CST)<br />
i was putting up the translation of faust quote on the exit and the table broke. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 08:51, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::Fixed, though I think the Faust references are better located in [[Facts_and_Observations]], since they are not really a part of the barrier. [[User:Mic2070|Mic2070]] 08:59, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::i dont think the barrier is only limited by those doors. all the other quotes are there too. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:05, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::Now that I think about it, the quotes aren't exactly in the barrier so I think we should move them back.<br />
:::::its not even moved. i didnt delete it. its still there --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:10, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::I am in favour of obliterating them from this page. [[User:Himmel|Himmel]] 09:13, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::why? its not like they cant coexist and i think its not the same content on the trivia page. --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:16, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::We are not sure whether the Faust quote is really that big of a plot point and not just some "fun fact" that's why I think it should stay in the trivia. --[[User:Madokaanon|Madokaanon]] 09:20, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
::::::>is really that big of a plot point and not just some "fun fact" .that is boring --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:35, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::Come on, undo it to the previous version without Faustian text on the wall, it doesn't belong to this article. Are you telling us that we should move all the Faustian references from the inside of the barrier to this page too? [[User:Commie|Commie]] 09:28, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:::::::why not? for easier viewing if the page accumulates too large of a content we can split the Gertrude barrier onto a different page --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 09:35, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
i got new content and i think it will make this page too big and will not be pleasant to read. i am moving it to location -> Gertrude's lair --[[User:Saveol2009|Saveol2009]] 16:13, 20 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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Speculation on Gertrud:<br />
her name might be based on Gertrud Jekyll, an English garden designer<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Jekyll<br />
She worked together with an architect (there's lots of classical architecture in ep 1), she was into photography and the Jekyll gives it a nice touch.<br />
Doesn't explain the Eiffeltower though.<br />
or Joséphine de Beauharnais, wife of Napoleon<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Beauharnais<br />
Known as Rose until she married Napoleon, and she patronized the development of rose breeding at her gardens at Malmaison. (see Rose wiki). Might explain the crowns on the butterflies.<br />
Lose observation: Eiffeltower brings to mind the Exposition Universelle (1889). Around that same time George Eastman developed the technology of film to replace photographic plates.</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kyouko_Sakura&diff=5692Talk:Kyouko Sakura2011-03-06T00:45:03Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>Actually, she is holding [http://www.google.com/images?q=棒棒冰 this] in her mouth. It's called "棒棒冰" in...I suppose, Chinese? It is also called "chuubert" in Gintama(see episode 149).<br />
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someone on /a/ also said it's from a candy or whatever. --[[User:Pronas|Pronas]] 12:00, 21 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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:good ref, I'm too lazy to update the info page right now. could do with an comparison pic. --[[User:Sayaka|Sayaka]] 12:57, 21 January 2011 (CST)<br />
:It's called Chuupet (チューペット) in Japanese. Chuu as in "suck" and [[wikipedia:Polyethylene terephthalate|PET]]. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 14:20, 21 January 2011 (CST)<br />
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== Korea-related speculations ==<br />
(namely this diff: [http://wiki.puella-magi.net/index.php?title=Kyouko_Sakura&diff=next&oldid=4875]) -- [[User:Anon-kun|Anon-kun]] 17:33, 27 February 2011 (UTC))<br />
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They have been deleted by [[Special:Contributions/124.25.106.108|124.25.106.108]]. What is the point of that? Political correctness? --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 16:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Since that IP is from Japan, Japanese fans probably found that speculation unpleasant. Personally I would like to avoid this topic since it would led to vandalization from both sides, but I'll just follow the consensus here. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 16:44, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Note that the IP that added it is Japanese too... Anyway, I'd let it flow too if I were you --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:48, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, the IP [[Special:Contributions/114.203.154.179|114.203.154.179]] belongs to [http://www.skbroadband.com/ SK Broadband] in Korea. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 16:53, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh you're right, I misread the diffs (I didn't see the problematic sentence was part of a bigger paragraph so the diffs made it look like it was the japanese anon who added it). Whatever... --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 16:59, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:The Pit and the Pendulum speculah at [[Homura Residence]] seems to come from the same people. At the time I edited it, I thought it was kind of strange that the original poster emphasized their credit in first observing it -- given that nobody else really cares for that stuff. o.O <br />
:On the subject of political correctness, though, it would probably be good to keep an eye out for article content that may be inflammatory to certain groups? --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 20:30, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::It's being discussed in the thread right now (thread #261 for archive reference). I think we all agree the guy who saw anti-Korean subtext read too much into things. As for the openly racist content, I for one skim through the changes regularly (and I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one) so I believe it would be spotted/corrected rather fast. Concerning 'accidents' like the one that just happened, I'd let the problem solve itself. --[[User:Homerun-chan|Homerun-chan]] 20:32, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Can anybody work the speculation into a politically-correct form? --[[User:Craig1125]]--<br />
::There are problems with the speculah as is: <br />
::*The attributes suggested to denote Korean heritage here are, simply put, highly neutral in meaning. They can be taken at face value without a deeper explanation. More to the point, they don't '''''warrant''''' a deeper explanation. Most speculah that have been given articles in this wiki describe "odd" events or phenomenon that are explicitly without explanation, or require more of an explanation than the canon offers in order to make sense. In this case, there is nothing about Kyouko thus far that strongly demands fans to supply explanation to her background beyond what is provided.<br />
::*Using logic similar to that posed within the speculah, I could claim that Sayaka is probably half-Russian because of the ethnic backgrounds of the musicians she likes. I could then elaborate the claim with circumstantial evidence relating to her negative, Russian-stereotypical personality traits and the relevance of the three mirrors in her living room to Russian folklore. This would then be used as a basis for a claim that Akiyuki Shinbo is promoting a negative portrayal of those with Russian heritage. In short, it becomes possible to read anything into anything.<br />
::*You could make this speculah perfectly neutral and politically correct in wording, etc, but so long as the content essentially accuses Akiyuki Shinbo of promoting negative, racist stereotypes, you're provoking people into participating in a flame war or an edit war. Unless more substantial evidence can be provided -- past comments; past usages of explicitly Korean themes that you can't mistake for anything else; past involvement in racially-motivated rows, etc -- there isn't even grounds to format this thing as a justified, informed criticism of Akiyuki Shinbo's works.<br />
::Unless these three issues are addressed, it is very unlikely that the speculah will fly. I don't even mean that in the sense of, "I personally won't support it." I mean that if it gets put up, every flamemonger out there with an interest in Madoka will end up trolling here. --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 09:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::I suppose what you are saying is right and will not try anything further.[[User:Craig1125|Craig1125]] 13:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Unless the pollitical problem, that speculation was made just for fun. In, Korea, nobody believe it, and the creator of that speculation said that he made it just for fun. [[Special:Contributions/124.55.212.243|124.55.212.243]] 12:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::From the text alone, it's impossible to determine the intent of the writer. Even if he or "most Koreans" don't take it seriously, somebody might. Saying, "Oh, it's just something I did for fun," while laying the groundwork for a potential flamewar is kind of irresponsible. =.=;; --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 19:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC) <br />
::Some of the speculation is compelling, particularly the apple symbolism (Instead of just "wasting food" Sayaka must choose between treating it as the tainted biblical fruit of knowledge or a gesture of apology. By choosing the former she chooses purity and uncompromising honor at the cost of rejecting the concept of redemption and the importance of human relationships. As a side effect, this is a direct insult to Kyouko, not just to her food manners). Simply saying a character is Korean isn't accusing Shinbo of anything, although the original post certainly was. The only reason not to put a revised version up is that it might attract people who are out to have a flamewar regardless of the actual content. --17:40, 28 February 2011 KM<br />
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== Weapon usage ==<br />
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So far, Kyouko is the only Magical Girl to not create multiple copies of her weapon to use in battle.<br />
Is it worth adding this into the trivia? Or would it be worth adding a weapon usage section to all character profiles?<br />
[[User:Xgraphy|xgraphy]] 04:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Well, adding it as trivia would be okay, but I'm not really sure if it's worthwhile enough to add a section to everyone? --[[User:Fallacies|Fallacies]] 04:59, 1 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Speculah ==<br />
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Kyouko is not seen in Prolog im Himmel. She may be dead or became witch herself. The reason for being not seen is not revealed yet<br />
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Kyouko´s clothes also have some similarities to the witch from the dream in episode 1. the skirt is parted in the middle and the skirt kinda looks like the gear. compare http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Kyouko_character_art.png with http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Ep1_Witch_Approx.jpg<br />
the witch´s skirt has a rose colour http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Witch_from_episode_1.jpg just like kyouko´s skirt<br />
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according to a japanese watcher, kyouko died in episdoe 9 -originalanon<br />
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More speculah: in the end we see Kyouko take her father's amulet from her hairband, and pray. <br />
Than we see her from Sayaka's point of view<br />
http://graphicshost.net/images/61tva9gc8vnkxek.png<br />
Maybe that was her special ability: to get through to people/get into their heads?[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 00:45, 6 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleohttps://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Oktavia_von_Seckendorff&diff=5680Talk:Oktavia von Seckendorff2011-03-05T23:17:32Z<p>Cleo: </p>
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<div>Oktaive comes from Okatve http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octave it is a musical word so it does makes sense<br />
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That Orion speculation makes little sense to me. I read the motivation on /a/ saying "Faust has greek mythology', but Orion isn't mentioned in Faust.<br />
Fishform because he was the son of Poseidon?<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_%28mythology%29<br />
Orion was a giant who could walk on/wade through the water.[[User:Cleo|Cleo]] 23:17, 5 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Cleo