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::::Man, I have nothing to say if you really think that a young girl would be dressed in jeans, a hoodie with pockets like that, and sneakers in anything other than modern times.  -[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 
::::Man, I have nothing to say if you really think that a young girl would be dressed in jeans, a hoodie with pockets like that, and sneakers in anything other than modern times.  -[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 
:::::"Modern times" is relative. 1980s? Maybe even 70s. Jeans and hoodies would be perfectly fine for those times. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 10:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 
:::::"Modern times" is relative. 1980s? Maybe even 70s. Jeans and hoodies would be perfectly fine for those times. --[[User:KFYatek|KFYatek]] 10:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
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==Sayaka as a dead zombie==
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I am having trouble with this... technically Sayaka is a dead zombie, but at the same time she is not, more like her body is dead (decomposing) but her soul is still intact on the Soul Gem, so technically she is alive... also, if Sayaka were to use her magic we could speculate she could regenerate her cells back to life (sadly we dont know if this is possible, but since this is magic we are talkgin about)... but this also puzzles me, if we think the brain as a receptor to the Soul Gems command/thoughts, then this is odd because [http://science.howstuffworks.com/body-farm1.htm brain cells are the first to die] within minutes. So we have to assume that the flesh/body acts more like a puppet of the Soul Gem, sending signals to the muscle tissue, instead of commands to the brain... --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 14:11, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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Considering that both Mami and Kyouko were visibly younger when they contracted, Kyouko was wearing modern clothes in the flashback, and neither Kyouko nor Mami knew very much at all about the mechanics of being a Magical Girl, I believe this theory can be safely written off as "Proven Wrong."

Not quite. The first time we see Kyouko as a magical girl, she already had the look we see today. The images were from her childhood before she contracted. They did now knew anything about the mechanics, well, simply because nor Kyubey nor anyone else told them. BrickBreak 02:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

My personal belief is such:

  • Kyubey has outright stated the bodies are just meat puppets, and as long as the Soul Gem is intact, the body can be repaired.
  • If you can repair your body from any state whatsoever as long as the Soul Gem is intact, then it goes without saying you can regenerate lost limbs and the like.
  • Arguably, you could make a brand new body if you needed, however the magic needed to do that would probably mean you'd need to find a Grief Seed very, very quickly.

Therefore, a Puella Magi is immortal in that they can just regenerate their body as long as they have the magic to do it. The real problem here is that, even if a Puella Magi doesn't age, so far we've seen that they have a life expectancy of "a couple of weeks or months" before a Witch inevitably kicks their ass. So it's possible no Puella Magi will ever live long enough to test that theory. -supporting that theory: homura healed her eyes with magic Official art from Megumi magazine

Same clothes as official art.

This official art for Kyouko's family makes it clear both her and her little sister are attired in modern clothing...notice the jeans, hoodie and sneakers, plus the modern style dress, socks and shoes of her little sister. I really think this speculah should be deleted or vastly edited down as the evidence is squarely against it. --randomanon 20:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I fail to see why. The speculah isn't about how old Kyouko is, but about whether or not Puella Magi could be said to be immortal due to their zombie-like state. So far we've gotten a lot of evidence that suggests that Puella Magi could in fact fix or alter their bodies, as well as conserve them perfectly. Whether Kyouko is really a century old or not is really an aside and should probably be its own mini-speculah than part of the global immortality one.
The "evidence" is based almost entirely on Kyouko and every time there's a point of theory made in favor of the speculah, it's overturned by facts against it. First of all, Kyouko doesn't speak in an "archaic" dialect. Ask any Japanese speaker. Second, the only "Victorian" style that you ever see, are cardboard cut-outs which were clearly a SHAFT stylistic choice. The hoodie you see Kyouko wear in the flashback is exactly the same as the official art I posted (see above and to the right), which means the rest of her outfit is equally modern and this was before she became mahou shoujo. So Kyouko is definitively from a modern time. School isn't evidence of anything related to her age. Pretty much nothing I'm seeing about Kyouko supports the speculah. At the very least, the speculah should be revised to reflect the facts. --randomanon 20:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree, but again, this isn't really what this speculah is supposed to be about. You'd be free to move all the 'Kyouko's age' stuff off this page and onto another speculah page, which you would then be free to mark as proven wrong, or at least, highly implausible (because jeans and hoodies were not invented that recently, it's still vaguely possible for it to be true). But right now you're basically arguing about whether or not we've been to the moon on a page about whether the moon is made of cheese or not.
One more correction: The fake storyboard was not made by the "series creators" and should be removed. It was made by this person: http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=17167336 who if you look up their profile and their art, is clearly not Gen, Shinbo, Ume or anyone else could be considered a "series creator." I don't know who that person is, but at most she's only a staff person and more likely no more than your typical fanartist. Plus, this art was clearly made for comedic value and isn't suppose to represent anything realistic in the anime. -randomanon 21:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
The idea of speculah is all well and good, but at least use the discretion of removing things that are obviously proved wrong, and definitely remove factual errors like stating the series creators made some piece of fanart etc. Things like Homura repeated the timelines over again or the ending being far in the future are what I would consider speculah that while there's no proof for it, there's no solid counter-proof either. Those are fine.

Perhaps in general we need some guidelines here on speculah, if anyone wants to chime in. -randomanon 21:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Man, I have nothing to say if you really think that a young girl would be dressed in jeans, a hoodie with pockets like that, and sneakers in anything other than modern times. -randomanon 21:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
"Modern times" is relative. 1980s? Maybe even 70s. Jeans and hoodies would be perfectly fine for those times. --KFYatek 10:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Sayaka as a dead zombie

I am having trouble with this... technically Sayaka is a dead zombie, but at the same time she is not, more like her body is dead (decomposing) but her soul is still intact on the Soul Gem, so technically she is alive... also, if Sayaka were to use her magic we could speculate she could regenerate her cells back to life (sadly we dont know if this is possible, but since this is magic we are talkgin about)... but this also puzzles me, if we think the brain as a receptor to the Soul Gems command/thoughts, then this is odd because brain cells are the first to die within minutes. So we have to assume that the flesh/body acts more like a puppet of the Soul Gem, sending signals to the muscle tissue, instead of commands to the brain... --Mutopis 14:11, 20 March 2012 (UTC)