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does this mean there was a mahou shoujo in the hospital? --[[Special:Contributions/89.244.165.11|89.244.165.11]] 9:26, 27 February 2011 (CST)
 
does this mean there was a mahou shoujo in the hospital? --[[Special:Contributions/89.244.165.11|89.244.165.11]] 9:26, 27 February 2011 (CST)
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: The thing that bugs this anon about Charlotte's Grief Seed is that it is just suddenly there. It's not like Sayaka's transformation, where it looks like the witch's barrier manifests immediately. It's just hanging there on a hospital wall in plain view of everyone until it is able to create a barrier, (although there's some indication that it was invisible to ordinary people; it's Madoka who notices the Grief Seed, while Sayaka just passes it by and only seems to notice when Madoka points it out.)  Now we haven't seen a familiar become a witch, but it seems very unlikely they just suddenly become a growing Grief Seed in between their transformation. So where did the Grief Seed come from? I believe that question was actually asked out loud by one of the characters, but no answer was given? Did Kyuube plant it? Is there some bizarre extra-dimensional space that Grief Seeds fall out of?  If there is an extra-dimensional space, could it be related to the reason why corpses inside a witch's barrier vanish, even if the witch dies? And why did Homura say to Mami that Charlotte was different? Was it because Mami died to Charlotte in her timeline? If so, why was she so surprised when Mami's bindings vanished?
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tl;dr There are a lot of unanswered questions about Charlotte and the appearance of her Grief Seed, and the most obvious answers only raise more questions. [[Special:Contributions/24.187.7.217|24.187.7.217]] 21:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

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One idea is that Charlotte is a patient in the nearby hospital, who either turned into a witch out of her own grudges or was forcibly turned into one under the theory that the Grief Seed there was planted on purpose. Here's some copy/paste regarding her involvement in EP3.

It may be that witches sense the feelings of people around them and reflect them in their gardens. This episode's witch appears near a hospital, so we get hospital-themed imagery with needles and drugs. Those are probably not suggesting drug use, because we had scissors in there too and those are more related to surgery. There's also an "In Operation" panel above a door in the garden. Those are probably related to Charlotte's own experiences, if we are to assume that she's a patient afflicted with some serious condition. However, other people's emotions and thoughts also seem to activate witches, when Mami talked about eating cake and how she isn't lonely anymore, the witch noticed the emotional change and woke up (hence candies everywhere during that scene. Those candies are perhaps celebrating the birth of Charlotte as a witch.)

Where do the sweets and the cake dragon come in? The witch herself was (or is) a patient in the hospital, probably a little girl judging by Charlotte's initial appearance and how the text and imagery in the witch garden (mainly dolls and sweets) lacked the sophistication Gertrude's Faust quotes, butterflies and roses had. As befitting a kid her age, she most likely loves sweets, but she has some severe illness and has to stay in the hospital permanently, and her diet needs to be strictly controlled due to her condition. So all she can do is watching other kids play and be happy and eat whatever they want while she's struck in the hospital waiting for her death. She starts cursing those children (and/or her own condition), and eventually (with or without outside interference) she starts turning into a witch.

Another point is that even though Charlotte's back did feature the cake dragon's face, the dragon itself exploded out of her when Mami constricted her first form. That second form could be a reflection of Charlotte's (probably gastrointestinal tract-related) condition, the source of her grudge. Both Charlotte and the cake dragon have red spots on them, instead of strawberries or candy, those could be related to Charlotte's medical condition. Say, they could represent erythema nodosum, a symptom of Crohn's disease (which is far from obscure, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that it was used.) Helminths are another possibility due to the similarities between the cake dragon and a parasitic worm, but helminths are generally easy to treat and won't cause the sort of effects presupposed here.

So the scenario is thus: Little girl is hospitalized due to serious medical condition (eg. Crohn's disease), is a bit of a glutton but can't eat anything she wants due to dietary regulations (hence candy imagery in her garden), starts to curse the hospital she's stuck in (hence hospital imagery in her garden) and the children who can play outside the hospital without a care in the world. This curse starts turning her into a witch. Mami comes along and starts talking about cake, unintentionally pissing off Charlotte (since her grudge mostly has to do with not being able to do/eat as she wishes) Charlotte awakens and decides on eating Mami, she gets her ass handed to her instead. In her childish rage, the source of her curse takes over as the cake dragon (which is actually her intestines) and chomps down Mami. Alternatively, Charlotte was awakened by Mami's emotional turmoil, but homed in on her because she believed Mami to be a large lump of cheese, under the theory that witches view the world differently. Accordingly; Mami, Sayaka and Madoka all appeared as food to Charlotte, but she immediately went after Mami because she saw Mami as her favorite food, cheese.

How do I add my name and date on this I am not good with the internet --Croases 13:46, 22 January 2011 (CST)

Here's my guess. There are many levels inside the witches barriers. Charlotte's barrier appeared near the the city's hospital and this resulted in her barrier look. As we can see the first levels are all hospital themed but the last one isn't. It's made of sweets. Same goes for Gertrud's barrier. First levels doesn't look like the last one at all. Commie 13:46, 22 January 2011 (CST)
I'd say the last one is a mix, because in the scene where Mami does her gun-kata fighting against the Pyotrs/minions, you can see a surgery room light in the background. --Piparkaq 06:18, 27 January 2011 (CST)
>How do I add my name and date on this I am not good with the internet: Add four tildes (~) after your post. Alternatively, there is a "add your signature" button in the toolbar. --Homerun-chan 16:35, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

does this mean there was a mahou shoujo in the hospital? --89.244.165.11 9:26, 27 February 2011 (CST)

The thing that bugs this anon about Charlotte's Grief Seed is that it is just suddenly there. It's not like Sayaka's transformation, where it looks like the witch's barrier manifests immediately. It's just hanging there on a hospital wall in plain view of everyone until it is able to create a barrier, (although there's some indication that it was invisible to ordinary people; it's Madoka who notices the Grief Seed, while Sayaka just passes it by and only seems to notice when Madoka points it out.) Now we haven't seen a familiar become a witch, but it seems very unlikely they just suddenly become a growing Grief Seed in between their transformation. So where did the Grief Seed come from? I believe that question was actually asked out loud by one of the characters, but no answer was given? Did Kyuube plant it? Is there some bizarre extra-dimensional space that Grief Seeds fall out of? If there is an extra-dimensional space, could it be related to the reason why corpses inside a witch's barrier vanish, even if the witch dies? And why did Homura say to Mami that Charlotte was different? Was it because Mami died to Charlotte in her timeline? If so, why was she so surprised when Mami's bindings vanished?

tl;dr There are a lot of unanswered questions about Charlotte and the appearance of her Grief Seed, and the most obvious answers only raise more questions. 24.187.7.217 21:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)