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Could it be said that she's the main antagonist of the manga as she served as the catalyst for most of the events of the storyline by distributing the Evil Nuts to Yuuri and the Soujus' as well as creating the Dawn of Hyades?
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Could it be said that she's the main antagonist of the manga as she served as the catalyst for most of the events of the storyline by distributing the Evil Nuts to Yuuri and the Soujus' as well as creating the Dawn of Hyades? [[User:AntMan9751|AntMan9751]] 23:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

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Kanna Hijiri

I find it rather odd that an artificial lifeform was created, including a soul with it. If magic can create an "artificial soul" lets say, shouldnt be able to find a way to revert entropy without having to contract real people? I know she is the product of magic, but if we take the extreme logical step, by creating an artificial life with a soul, perhaps there is no limit in finding a way to reverse entropy without sacrificing real people...--Mutopis 06:30, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, the thing is, Incubators can't really game the system. If girls don't wish for artificial beings (and there's no reason to think the Incubators can create artificial beings, with emotions and souls, without using magic) then they're not getting any. It seems the energy output the Incubators want only comes about when they wish for things they're emotionally invested in, so there's no use trying to trick girls into wishing for certain things.

All that being said, the artificial people we've seen in Kazumi Magica seem to be as real as everyone else. Contracting 'clones' and the like and exploiting them is just as cruel, immoral, and messed up as contracting genuine articles. 71.82.214.138 20:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

It does open a very interesting philosophical position, I should write an essay about it, it would go nicely with the current philosophy article I am still working on regarding Puella Magi --Mutopis 08:21, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure there's much to write an essay on. The lack of data we have aside, the fact of the matter is that the clones have souls and feel emotions, therefore exploiting them is just as wrong as exploiting natural-born human girls. There's no meaningful difference between the two. And since their creation is so complex and uncommon, it doesn't seem like it's worth the energy to attempt mass producing them, if that's even possible. 71.82.214.138 18:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I am sure there are moral and ethical issues regarding the use of artificial life as a way to circumvent the moral issue regarding the issue of using real girls, but what I am suggesting is a philosophical explanation to reach that conclusion instead of just an emotional appeal. Not to mention a great opportunity to explore a future event (cloning, anyone) that could help us explore the issue regarding the usage of artificial body parts or an entire body to save individuals. Yes, not much to work on, but then the whole series doesnt have a lot to work on as much as I wish. --Mutopis 00:29, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
What I'm trying to say is that a lot of the ambiguities that would exist in real life expressly DON'T in Kazumi's world. They feel emotions. They have SOULS, and as far as the laws of metaphysics are concerned seem to be as real and "alive" as anything that came out of a woman's vagina. They are unambiguously living things with dreams, goals, sentience, sapience, and hearts. I don't think it's morally, ethically, or philosophically ambiguous in the Puella Magi setting that they are functionally identical to a "natural" girl. 71.82.214.138 08:31, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey guys, sorry to barge in. After reading the entire Chapter 18 raw myself, Juubey says to her before she makes her wish that, "As long as you possess a human heart, you can make a contract. Even if you aren't a human. But the results are the same as the others. One point or another, you'll become a witch and die."

That "human heart" part is open to interpretation, since he doesn't necessarily explain it. I'm guessing it means as long as something or someone has experienced human thoughts and emotions, they can make a contract. But then again I don't really know for sure. Since "hito no kokoro" is somewhat open to translation. Honeykiss 02:56, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Here's how I personally interpreted it: the entire point of the Magical Girl system is to use the emotions of adolescent girls to counteract entropy. It isn't specifically the girls that the Incubators are after; rather, it's the emotions that those girls produce. So theoretically, any being capable of producing the same type of emotion would be able to contract, and this is how Kanna was able to make a contract. 70.166.133.62 19:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Main antagonist?

Could it be said that she's the main antagonist of the manga as she served as the catalyst for most of the events of the storyline by distributing the Evil Nuts to Yuuri and the Soujus' as well as creating the Dawn of Hyades? AntMan9751 23:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)