Talk:Magazines

Previous discussions are archived at:

• Talk:Translated Official Documents/Archive 1 (before June 12th, part 1) -- sorted and moved to Translated Official Documents/Redesign
• Talk:Translated Official Documents/Archive 2 (before June 12th, part 2)
• Talk:Translated Official Documents/Archive 3 (before June 12th, part 3)

Note: Effort is being made to identify, translate and sort what is on this page. Anybody who would like to add their input can do so on Translated Official Documents/Redesign (see Template:Document for editing subtilities). There is quite a lot of work ahead of us, so every contribution, as little as it may be, is greatly welcome. Thank you! --Homerun-chan 19:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Note: Do not forget that there is a special category for translation requests. You can add files that need a translation by adding [[Category:Translation request]] to the description field. It is then not necessary to add them on this page then.

Scan organization

The easiest way to judge which magazine the scan is originated from is to see when it was first posted.

6th~13th (release date is 10th every month), mostly NewType, Animedia or Animage.

22th~30th (release date is 25th every month), either Megami Magazine or NyanType.

Would be appreciated if someone could organize the gallery by date it was first posted. --0x99 20:45, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Scans are on right now...four different pages. I'm adding source info to them, got most of them and still working on getting the rest. But moving and reorganizing them in galleries across pages is beyond my technical skill so someone else will have to do that. --randomanon 15:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Gallery

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  Moved to Megami_July_2011_Interviews along with June Summary Translation

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  Animedia_June_2011

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  Animedia_June_2011

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  NewType_July_2011

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  NewType_July_2011

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  NewType_July_2011

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  Animedia_June_2011

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  Blu-Ray_Volume_2_Booklet

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  Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_Manga_Volume_3

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  From Asahi Evening (朝日夕刊) newspaper. Seems to be a column deciphering some story-points. It talks about the girls contracting and then being forced to fight witches and the hidden magical girls equals witches rule. With this as the focal point in the last part of the story it gets its sci-fi twist. There is also something about galges being an influence. It also talks about the character growth. Madoka's mum leaving a strong impression as a working mother and with her rough speech, coming into confrontation with Madoka in ep 11. It relates to episode 1 where her mom choose the ribbons for her, but now she chooses her path for herself. That's also in relation to the episode 3 talk about her mom's lifestyle choice/dream and how she gets satisfaction out of that. There is also a mention of magic star magical emi having a similar theme?

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  Homura and her hammer space shield. Seems that Gen wasn't really fond giving her only this as weapon, but after seeing the storyboards it seems that he liked the whole pulling machine guns out of nowhere dynamic. The producers also liked it.

June 2011

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  Translated by symbv from evageeks forum. Q - Ah, I see... A - And so, with the change in style, producers from the same age group finally appeared. And finally the flow that had one joining because he loved anime started to change. But whatever is said, the impact of "Evangelion" becoming a hit was huge. Without that there could not be the time we have now. Q - You think so? A - Yes, no doubt about it. If that did not become such a hit, probably we could not have made anime like we do now. But then only "Evangelion" was really a kind of exception (lol) Q - Ah, that is true...(lol) Is this part of Animedia July 2011, Newtype July 2011, or another source?

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  Translated by symbv from evageeks forum. Q - (too little left to translate properly) A - No, I could not tell a single bit. Although in general I could tell that whether the anime would be abandoned by fans or taken in by them would be decided by the development in Ep.3. "Madoka" is a work that made my heart beat faster. And then it was indeed taken in. By the time I strongly felt a premonition of this becoming a hit, I thought so good that I had done that. I felt relieved. "Madoka" was a work that was really hard to make, and I got really scared, to the extent that I would not be able to decide what to do if because of that [the anime] got abandoned. Q - But then, as in Bakemonogatari as well as Madoka, the audience ..... till the end..... Is this part of Animedia July 2011, Newtype July 2011, or another source?

4Gamer Interview with Gen Urobuchi

Source: http://www.4gamer.net/games/130/G013023/20110617067/, June 18, 2011. Translated by symbv from evageeks forum.

4Gamer： 　では，世間的な“虚淵像”というものを，虚淵さん自身はどう感じておられるのでしょうか？

And so, what do you feel about the “image of Urobuchi” as publicly understood?

Urobuchi(虚淵氏)： 　自分でガッツリ真っ黒な作品を作ったなと思えたのは，「白貌の伝道師」くらいですよ。ほかの作品にはそれなりに，白い絵の具が入っている気はするんですよね。

For me, the only work that I could think of that was thoroughly and absolutely dark was only “Hakumou no Dendoushi”. I think all the other works have some white paint added in.

4Gamer： 　では，虚淵さんに“黒さ”を期待しているファンに対してはいかがでしょうか？　期待に応えたいと思っているのか，それとも関係なく我が道を突き進んでいるのか。

And so, what do you think about those fans who expect “darkness”? Do you think that you want to meet that expectation, or you think it does not matter and you want to push forward in your own path regardless?

Urobuchi： 　基本的には関係ないですね。方向性を持った“期待”というのは“予測”とほぼ同義なので。そこはできるだけ裏切っていきたいと思っています。僕の中では 「びっくりさせたい」という気持ちが強いので，あまり黒いのを期待されたら，白い方向に行くでしょうし，その逆もあるでしょうね。

Basically it does not matter. If the “expectation” has a sense of direction, this is almost the same as “prediction”. And that is what I would like to disappoint if possible. The feeling for “I want to surprise them” is strong inside me. So if people expect something dark too much, I may go the white direction or also something opposite.

4Gamer： 　「まどか☆マギカ」でやったのがまさにそれですよね。

So this was the case when you worked on “Madoka Magika”.

Urobuchi： 　あれは新房監督が視聴者を驚かせたいと企んでいましたね。驚きをかなり大切にする方なので，「タイトルロゴはあえて丸いフォントでいこう」とか，アイデ アを出してくれましたし。ただ，僕がどういう評価を受けているライターなのか，最初は知らなかったみたいなんですよ。それに関してはちょっと申し訳ない気 持ちでした（笑）。

That was the intention of Director Shinbo to surprise the audience. And because the surprise was considered very important, he came up with ideas like “Let's make the title logo in round fonts” etc. But it seems that at first he did not know what kind of reputation I had as a writer. And I felt a bit sorry about that (lol).

4Gamer： 　ずっと虚淵さんの名前が伏せられていたら，凄いことになっていたでしょうね（笑）。

If your name were hidden forever, it might become something really controversial (lol)

Urobuchi： 　自分が脚本をしていると知った人の「あ，やっぱり」という感じをできるだけ薄めたかったのですが，なかなかこう，過去の作品が足を引っ張っているとなる と，申し訳ないですね。それで，一時期Twitterで猫をかぶっていたんですけど。まったく意味がなかったです（笑）。

Even though I wanted to dilute as much as possible those feeling like “Oh, as I expected!” from those who knew I wrote the screenplay, yet I still got dragged down by my previous works, and I felt sorry about that. So for a while I put up a facade on myself in Twitter. It was in fact totally meaningless (lol).

4Gamer： 　「まどか☆マギカ」は今後の展開についても気になります。ぶっちゃけ，2期はあるのでしょうか……？

We want to know more about what will happen to “Madoka Magika”. To be blunt, will it be a 2nd season?

Urobuchi： 　やれたらいいですよね。

It would be great if we could have one.

4Gamer： 　おお……期待しています！　ほむらが荒野で魔獣に向かっていくというあのラストシーンは，やはり何かの伏線なのでしょうか？

Wow.... we surely wait in expectation! Does it mean that there is in fact some hidden advance hint in the last scene where Homura went to face the maju's in the wilderness?

Urobuchi： 　いえ，実は何も考えていなかったです。演出のさまざまな悪ノリが入った結果ですね（笑）。脚本の中では，あのシーンは「日本ではない」程度のことしか書 いていなかったんですよ。各所で言われていることですが，あれもまた「ブレイド」のオマージュなんです。「戦いは続く……ほむら，世界へ！」みたいなイ メージだったんですが，色々な考察が生まれていて驚きました。中には「彼女こそ最後に生き残った魔法少女に違いない！」という説もあって，「えっなにそ れ!?」みたいな（笑）。

No, in fact I did not think of anything there. That was the result of various excessive overworks coming out from the staged animation (lol). In the screenplay, that scene was only put as “not in Japan”. As many have also observed, that is also a homage to “Blade”. The image was something like “The battle goes on... Homura, on to the world!”, and I was surprised that it generated all these researches. There is even a theory saying that “there is no doubt that she is the last surviving mahou shoujo!” and I think “Eh, what is that!?” (lol)

4Gamer： 　あのシーンを見た瞬間，「マッドマックス」になるのかと思いましたよ（笑）。

When we saw that scene, we thought it was turning into “Madmax” (lol)

Urobuchi： 　ガソリンをめぐって戦うのですね（笑）。「魔法少女まどか☆マックス」みたいな！　……楽しいかも。

Fighting over gasoline (lol). Like “Puella Magi Madoka Max” perhaps! … It may be fun.

4Gamer： 　これは多くのファンが期待していると思うのですが，「まどか☆マギカ」がゲーム化される可能性はあるのでしょうか？

And this is something that we think many fans also want to see. Is there any possibility that “Madoka Magika” will become a game?

Urobuchi： 　ぜひやってみたいですね。何なら，イヌカレーさんの演出をガンガンに使ったシューティングゲームなんかをやってみたいです。

I would really like to do it. If I can choose, I would like to do something like a shooting game where we have lots of animation coming from Inu-curry-san.

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A compilation of the scans discussed in this section.

These are translations of magazine scans on /a/, with reference thread posts, from April 2011 timeframe.

>>47950014

• 1 - Source: Animage, May 2011. The Secret of Homura's Room. Maps as a partial translation to this embedded image translation. [1]

Homura's room is drawn in an other-worldly manner [TL note: this is also the word used for witches' barriers]. The truth is that it's supposed to be a holographic projected image. At its basis, it's an apartment set up around a dinner table and the like.

>>47948969

• 2 - In episode 8 it was revealed that there are multiple Kyubeys, but are their personalities difference?

Urobuchi: There are many bodies, but only one consciousness. Therefore, even if you kill the body, there isn't any sort of damage. Killing one is just like pulling out a single strand of hair. The scene where Kyubey eats his corpse, and then comes in from the stairs in the script.　I was trying to write Kyubey as something that humans can't relate to. Think like, "If your brother really died, what would your response be."

>>47949220

• 3 - Urobuchi: Even though it's a 1-cour broadcast period, there were a lot of things to chip away at. I keep thinking very hard about the developments in the next Madoka (note: this comment was made on 3/13). TL note: Cour = a Japanese TV season of 12-14 episodes.

>>47949471

• 4 - There's only half of the show remaining: It's a somewhat short story, so do the two of you think you would want to make a sequel (Madoka 2)?

Shinbo: I've thought a lot about what to do if there were 2-cours, what would go into all 12 episodes. I think I could really expand the world from what we've made so far.

>>47949703

• 5 - Urobuchi: Thinking about ending the story cleanly, it's somewhat troublesome. If it were 2-cour, there might be the possibility to develop things with more breadth. But I'd be worried about what I would write as a continuation if this were the case.

>>47950350

• 6 Urobuchi: When I was writing the script, since the monster design and the visual design weren't completed, there was no decision on the fight scenes. So in the script I wrote, "In this scene 'She says this line while fighting," just a rough outline. At the time Mami's Finisher was called "Ultima Shoot" (laughs), but I thought that was really lame, so during recording I was translating it on the internet. I tried Spanish and Greek, and then finally decided on the Italian "Tiro Finale."

>>47917408

• 7 Source: Animage, May 2011. Shinbo: "In the anime, Sayaka didn't kill the two hosts."

Urobuchi: "It can be interpreted as both ways in the scenario, so Hanokage-san interpreted it as if they're killed in her manga version."

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Source:Otona Anime Vol. 20

Q - In future, do you think you want to do more original anime?
Shinbo (S) - I have such thought, although I do not hate adapting anime from original works either.
Q - Any idea of what you want to do?
S - Not really. Mystery or something mysterious, and then Horror. But perhaps horror is not possible, because I have got to the point of not really watching much horror these days. And then I think perhaps it's good to have more mahou shoujo, but this time it is more slice-of-life and girl-next-door. I would like to try this different variation of mahou shoujo. And then there is also something like the world of Ikki Kajiwara. It may be interesting to do something like Ai to Makoto*, something that brings two polar opposite together.... But before that, I may need to do the second season of PMMM. If it is possible, I would definitely want to do that.

• Ai to Makoto is a manga from 1973-1976 and was very popular in its days. It is about a well-bred girl from a very rich family crossing path with a juvenile delinquent boy. It was adapted into both tv drama and movies but I don't think there is anime adaptation.
  

-- Alternative translation of the same interview:
Q: From now on, do you want to make original works?
Shinbo: Yeah, I have a feeling like this. Of course, it's not that I hate adapted works.

Q: Do you have any ideas as to what you'd want to do next?
Shinbo: Let's see. A detective in a strange story, maybe. And then, I'd like to do a horror anime. But it's getting harder and harder to do a horror anime. It doesn't seem like nowadays, many people want to watch a horror anime. And as for magical girls, I'd like to do a more slice-of-life anime. I think I'd like to try doing a different genre of magical girl anime. Also, I want to make something with a world like something Ikki Kajiwara would make. I think creating something as extreme as "Ai to Makoto"...oh, but before all that, I'd like to try for a second season of Madoka. (hahaha) If I could, I would definitely want to do it.

Magazine list

I'm working on translation of the latest revision located in their uploader. Coincidentally, I seems have most of the magazines in this list which I may able to provide a full translation of the article as well... if I'm free enough (which I'm not). If anyone interested in translating them, I can provide the article scan. --0x99 17:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

If you do have some free time, it'd be great if you could translate some articles instead of this list. I already know what's on here, just haven't bothered putting together a neat enough one in English. Or if you don't have enough time, the full-scans would be great, especially anything interesting or recent that we don't have. Can knock out Black Past off that list, I just got the full scans for those.--randomanon 18:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm a bit reluctant about putting full scans of recent articles since it might not conform the fair-use law, etc. (Well, I don't mind getting C&D but I don't want this wiki to get into trouble) so probably I'll scan the older one first. It'll take a while, though. If I count properly, I own about 50 (of 63) in that list. Scanning them all will take about a month. --0x99 18:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

That is quite a collection! I'm impressed. I see your point. For translation, we'd want to end up breaking it into sections anyways, so we shouldn't end up posting entire pages all the time, ideally, if that helps. --randomanon 18:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion, we could just split each magazine in each own page with Translated Official Documents being a link to them. We could better extend each article that way (e.g. thumbnail of illust in that volume). What do you think? --0x99 18:42, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

As long as I can see some kind of thumbnail so I can visually ID something, I'm happy. I really don't know all the technical capabilities of this site so I pretty much just leave that in other people's hands. Having each magazine with its own pages is great. Frankly never thought we'd have that luxury, so I'm happy. --randomanon 18:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, will see what I could do with the styling then. For now, let me finish the listing first. ;) --0x99 18:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Having a link to pages with fully translated documents from the general TOD page was also what I had in mind (I just didn't have the occasion to do it yet). The idea was then to just put the link (and maybe a small summary) on the "translation" field.
Also, as a side note, I like the layout you used for User:0x99/Magazines. --Homerun-chan 19:32, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Comment

So basically, every specialized magazine in Japan had Madoka material in every edition in the last seven (or eight) months. If that's not impressive, I don't know what is. --BrickBreak 00:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

It sort of depends. To be mentioned in every issue of Megami is a given for a popular anime. But getting the cover for something like SWITCH is unusual. Seems also at some point everyone woke up to how popular Madoka was becoming, so all the small mentions in many different magazines that aren't directly anime-related. The fans in Japan are diligent too, hunting down every reference they can find and recording it all. --randomanon 04:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Availability?

Question for you 0x99, which magazines do you know you don't have the scans for? This will let me know which sources to focus on for my scan search and which excerpts to keep. I found the covers for all the magazines to make it easier for you to ID them. After I know which magazines you have, I'm going to post or link all the full or good scans I have for each of them, so you can skip those pages if you want. That should save you time. I think we can skipping scanning the manga ones unless there's an interview or something in one of them. All the manga chapters end up scanlated and on the web soon enough. Also the few in June that don't have covers I'll check later. I could ID each as to where they're sold but they didn't show covers for them. --randomanon 04:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Here's a list of magazine I have with me (see below section)

I'm not quite sure about NewType 2010/12, I remembered reading the interview, but the last time I've seen its cover was around December 2010. --0x99 06:01, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Great list and impressive collection. I'll update it with comments as I go through all the scans online and on both my PCs tomorrow, see where we can skip some scans. --randomanon 07:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

0x99, I added a few examples of different things that are translated or could be translated that I'd consider as items that could be in the "Official Translated Documents." I wanted to see if you thought they should all be added the same way as the magazines, e.g. newspaper excerpts, storyboard-type sketches and hm..a few unknown sources that look like they may not be magazine scans (see last example). There's also things like what appears to be an official height chart that we have that doesn't need translation but I'm not sure where something like that should belong. --randomanon 15:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Just to make it clear: camera shots != scans. If we're going to do a scan, we need to do it properly IMHO. I'll start scanning on Monday. - 0x99 07:32, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I was thinking of it for translation and wasn't going to be too picky if a translator could work with it. More for prioritization since scanning will take a while. Ideal if we get it all eventually. --randomanon 07:55, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah I see. I will scan all eventually, so don't worry. :) --0x99 08:08, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Magazine list

Magazine	Availability	Status	Comments
Megami Magazine 2010/12	Yes	Done: cover, pg1	This issue's scan and translation are completed [2]. No further work required.
NewType 2010/12	Yes		Current scans and translation here. Translation should be double-checked but probably complete. [3] Could use better scans but it's a low priority.
Megami Magazine 2011/01	Yes		Appears we have both scans, we can double check but doesn't look like we need scans. Translation should be double-checked but appears complete. [4]
Animage 2011/01	Yes		No translations and no scans that I can ID. Need both. There's a possibility the scan for Animedia is really Animage, not sure. A blog said it was Animedia but description fits Animage. Need to confirm once we get scans.
Animedia 2011/01	Yes		Created page. http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Animedia_2011-01. We have high res scan so don't need it scanned, but no translation. Low priority on translation. Also, this page needs to be linked to the magazine, as I can't figure out how.
NewType 2011/01	Yes		Will double-check on seeing if there's something other than this scan, but I don't think we have translations from this issue. Also this is a high qual scan and does not need rescanning.
Manga Time Kirara Forward 2011/02	No		Decent if not great scan. Plus summary translation. That should be sufficient. This page needs to be linked to its entry [5] in the table, though.
Dengeki G's Magazine 2011/02	Yes		Don't think you need to bother. We have a high res scan of it. Not translated but low priority as it doesn't look substantive. ()
Megami Magazine 2011/02	Yes		All scans and translations [6] are on this page. We need more scans and translations.
Otona Anime Vol.19	Yes		Need scans, don't have any. We do have a translated interview, temporarily stored here - [7]
Animedia 2011/02	Yes		High quality scan, don't need this rescanned. Only have summary translation done. (). Partial scan and summary translation, [8], entry#2. Not sure if this counts as the 2pgs or if there's something besides this.
Animage 2011/02	Yes		High quality scan, don't need this rescanned. () Only summary translation done, at [9], entry#3.
NewType 2011/02	Yes
Manga Time Kirara Forward 2011/03	Yes		I would not bother scanning this, except if there's section included that let's say has production discussion (that section would be worth scanning). Interwebz have both the raws and scanlations covered.
Megami Magazine 2011/03	Yes
NyanType 2011/03	Yes
Animage 2011/03	Yes
Animedia 2011/03	Yes
NewType 2011/03	Yes		Don't have a scan good enough for translation. One part of it () was translated, [10], entry #6
Manga Time Kirara Forward 2011/04	Yes		Same comment made of the March issue.
Megami Magazine 2011/04	Yes
NyanType 2011/04	Yes
Animedia 2011/04	Yes
Animage 2011/04	Yes
NewType 2011/04	Yes
Kikan S 2011/4	Yes
Manga Time Kirara Forward 2011/05	Yes		Same comment made of the March issue.
Febri Vol.5	Yes	Partial: cover	We have an assortment of different scans, could make use of decent scans. Some portions are translated. Scans and translations are all temporarily housed here - [11]
NyanType 2011/05	Yes
Megami Magazine 2011/05	Yes		Looks like we have full raw scans of all 14 pages, so don't require scans. Only page 14. with staff comments would possibly be interesting to translated. There's a summary translation of that page in the old archive [12] Everything else I'd put low priority as nothing really new seems to stand out. 1,3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16
LisAni! Vol.4.1	No
@2.5 62483-81	Yes	Partial: cover
Otona Anime Vol.20	Yes
NewType 2011/05	Yes
Animedia 2011/05	Yes
Animage 2011/05	Yes
B.L.T. 2011/06	Not in my apartment, but I have it (all three!)
Manga Time Kirara Forward 2011/06	Yes		Same comment made of the March issue.
LisAni! Vol.5	Not in my apartment, but I have it
Megastore 2011/06	Not in my apartment, but I have it
Megami Magazine 2011/06	Yes
NewType 2011/06	Yes
Animage 2011/06	Yes
Animedia 2011/06	Yes
Cyzo 2011/06	No
CUT 2011/06	No
Manga Time Kirara Forward 2011/07	Yes		Same comment made of the March issue.
Febri Vol.6	Yes
S-F Magazine 2011/07	No
Weekly Playboy 2011/06/13	No		There's a news article () that summarizes what he said, so that's probably fine. There are better in-depth Gen interviews elsewhere. ANN did a bare-bones summary in English that cut out almost all the interesting parts. [13]
NyanType 2011/07	Yes		Not sure why did I even buy this
Megami Magazine 2011/07	Yes		Current scans: - 1
Tokusatsu Shinsengumi DX 2011/07	No
NewType 2011/07	Yes		We have 5 pages currently scanned and translated. [14]. The rest is worth getting scanned and our translator has asked for this, particularly the pages on Homura. So I would put this as a high priority for scanning, as we are likely to get translations for it.
Animage 2011/07	Yes
Shinjidai no Mixture Magazine BLACK PAST	No, waiting for resale		Translation mostly completed. We have most of the interview scan and some text from there, but not everything. May be worth getting the whole scans at some point, but not a high priority. Current scans: 1,2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. All scans and translations we currently have is here [15] and here [16].
SWITCH 2011/07 Vol.29 No.07	Reserved, but not shipped		Currently have a few scans, nothing I think that can get translated. Still trying to get more. I believe there's suppose to be a 2pg interview. Current scans: 1, 2, 3, 4,
Manga Time Kirara Forward 2011/08	Reserved		With a wish
Megami Magazine 2011/08	Reserved		Anything
Otona Anime Vol.21	Reserved		is possible! ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

Other Sources	Availability	Comments
Madoka Pre Broadcast advertisements	Wiki links of scans plus translation	Scan and translation currently at 1, 2,, temporarily stored at [17]
Kirara Forward December or January advertisement	Wiki links of scan plus translation	Scan and translation currently at 1, [18]
Madoka's 100 Questionnaire	Wiki links of scan plus translation	No scan needed. We have a high quality scan and full translations. [19]. Backing up original source scans - 1, 2
Radio Broadcast clip of Eri Kitamura (Kitaeri), Sayaka's seiyuu	Wiki links of Nico clip and 2ch summary	No scan needed. Still could transcription, but low priority. Relevant links - Entry #15 on [20].
Asahi Evening (朝日夕刊) newspaper article.	Scanned and translated on wiki.	Currently not linking location of translations, due to site design changes.
Ep. 12 Storyboard sketch, translated.	Scanned and translated version on wiki.	I think I have the original of this too.
Unknown source. Several scans [21].	Scans saved in case page goes down.	Uncertain of reliability.
PMMM Anime Shinbo Interview on BD/DVD Volume 2.	Archived on the wiki.	Relevant page of scan with translations. [22]
PMMM Manga Volume 3 Afterword	Archived on the wiki.	Relevant page of scans with translations. [23]
4Gamer Interview with Gen Urobuchi	Archived on the wiki.	Translation is here. [24]

Question on Redesign

As the last couple of scan translations show, the detailed translations for 1-2 pg long ones can get lengthy. I think more than what's reasonable to fit a table. As we get full scans, the interviews are going to tend to be longer than with the small scan excerpts we've typically had, even if we try to break up sections or pages. Some like the seiyuu cartoon you really want to keep as a whole. What is the best way to present things, if we assume the translations are going to be lengthy? Any thoughts? --randomanon 20:52, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we've talked about it several times already: the idea is to give lenghty translations their own page (one per article). Also, after a short discussion on the IRC with 0x99 a while ago, we're considering using this page instead of Translated Official Documents/Redesign for the new version (with a few modifications to make everything fit in it of course). If we give each translation its own page (and name them properly), it can then be quite easy to categorize them using the built-in category feature. This page then serves as an index of all documents. Also, having one page per article (or magazine issue, maybe) allows for more flexibility: we can have more than one image per article, etc. --Homerun-chan 21:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, we've discussed it before but I thought with the changes that are being made, we might want to change the design. Sounds like though you two are already ahead of me there on this. Also while we're on this topic, if you all do want to go ahead and make the design changes now, I think it's fine. I wouldn't mind taking a break and if things get re-organized that way, it might be easier for me to find and organize scans and translations. Just give me a post when you're done and I won't touch anything in the meantime. Thanks. --randomanon 22:26, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually I can't help much with the content since I do not have any scans/translations and I don't know moonrunes good enough to make a translation. My main focus with the redesign was the technical bits (making the pages and finding a suitable layout), and I think that part is almost over. What is left to do now is upload all the scans and translations, and identify them if needed. As I said, I can't help much with that, aside from identifying the content and adding it to Category:Translation request or Category:Source request. Would you be okay with using them to spot what still needs work, instead of the color tags I proposed before? --Homerun-chan 10:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not quite understanding...I wasn't asking for help with the content but saying that it's fine if the design is finalized so I can work from there. Is it finalized? I thought there was going to be more changes, no? --randomanon 13:53, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Despite my answering to your post, that wasn't really a direct answer but more like a general observation/briefing. Anyway, I think the redesign is more or less finished since we now have a pretty standard way of identifying/listing the sources (that's up to 0x99 to decide though, I don't know exactly what he has in mind). What other changes did you expect exactly?
Also, you didn't answer my question: are you okay with using categories to list what needs to be identified/translated? --Homerun-chan 14:00, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Eh failed to complete my goal of finishing it this weekend. Other things came up but wasn't all bad, I found some new stuff to add. Content work is still in progress. --randomanon 07:04, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Guys, even I am confused now. What do we do in the end? Use this page or use Translated Official Documents/Redesign? It looks like both pages get edited at the same time (and in different directions at that), so if we didn't settle on anything we should do it quick; and if we did we should make it clear just as quickly.
I for one prefer the design of this page here (quite ironic since I'm the one who made the other page, but whatever), but I'm okay with either decision -- as long as we make a decision. --Homerun-chan 19:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Purpose of me editing this page is so I can track what we have and where everything is, to ID gaps for both scanning and translation. It's an internal document. It's hard to know that flipping through several pages and scans that aren't on any page or still in process of getting uploaded. It's not suppose to replace the design pages. --randomanon 19:56, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I think there's a confusion here. When I say "the page", I'm referring to the actual page, not the talkpage. If that's what you were saying too, then I didn't get your point ... --Homerun-chan 20:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, then I don't really know. I thought the design thing with all the different pages was talked over and decided by whoever's involved...or at least, that's the impression I got when I asked about the design earlier this week. --randomanon 20:22, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Got more done, but still more work on tracking scans and translations. I know you had some concerns about copyright issues 0x99, so if you prefer, you can email them to me and I can send them to a translator to get them translated without having to have all the raws up on the wiki. Then as we get translations, we can add them to the site. If there's anything interesting, preferably recent that you've seen, those would be ideal. Plus, he specifically asked for July NewType ones. My email is randomanonwiki@gmail. I have good scans of all the posters, pin-ups and popular old pages so you can skip those if you want for scanning. I'll post them all up over the next day or so. Thanks. --randomanon 07:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Redesign (2)

I've moved the page from my inQBated user page. I'm not quite sure how should we organize the individual interview page name, my proposal would be "just use the magazine name and issue as page name", e.g. Megami Magazine 2010-12. About how to organize the page itself, well, let's just dump the content first and cleanup later. Opinions? --0x99 15:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Now I've moved a bit from Document Archive Dump to its individual page. I feel we should rename the Template:Magazine to just, e.g. Template:Document (but that name is already in use) so we could use the template in a manner of {{Document|type=magazine|...}} or {{Document|type=web|...}} with a additional bit of color coding for each type (e.g. green for web articles, teal for magazine, etc.) Any ideas? --0x99 16:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Pagenames: using "magazine name and issue" seems clear and unique enough to me.
Templates: why not. Since it looks like we won't use Translated Official Documents/Redesign in the end, you could just reuse the Template:Document template. Either that or find a synonym for "Document", but I have to admit I don't see one ...
General note: would it be possible to add a little more information about the articles content on the page? ("Interview with x regarding y" instead of just "interview with x") Since you're using a classification by date and not by topic, having several "Interview with Gen Urobuchi" entries doesn't help much. I mean, as a visitor unfamiliar with these documents, I'd like to know beforehand what are in them, and which ones to read if I'm interested by a particular aspect.
--Homerun-chan 17:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

About general note: yup, feel free to edit the bullet point within each section. For template, I'm thinking of renaming Template:Document, e.g. Template:Document Translation or something and incorporate it as a translation template for magazine pages. Still not sure about page formatting though. --0x99 17:06, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible for us to organize all translated information in a more coherent manner? As of now it's a bit hard to find different sections of official info in order to quote something, because they are scattered everywhere. My proposal: In the left sidebar we have the "Documents" link, it should lead to "Documents" page which contain a map to various documentation:

• BD booklets scan
• Interviews and advertisements from magazines and newspaper scan
• Scan of official artbook/guide book
• Related Twitter from staffs
• Related announcements (regarding releases, new season, etc.)

Aside from the anime and manga, all speculations and understanding of the franchise came from these 5 documentation. I think this would help everyone to navigate better and quicker when they need official info. --Saluki.N 00:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

It's been discussed as to how things will be re-organized and it is currently in progress. It takes a considerable amount of effort to make this happen so please wait in the meantime and on a personal note, I would appreciate it if you would not remove parts of the translation of the documents we have. --randomanon 01:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

About how everyone had been discussing on organization I didn't follow from the beginning, I don't see the points I brought up being on this page either, therefore I'd like to propose and help out. Wiki is for all the fans to build up, I'm not demanding anyone here to fix it up fast so that "I" can use, I hope you understand.

About the bold lines I removed from BD booklet (I fell in love with Sayaka who faced up [the situation] with dignity) , it's to reflect exactly what is on the scan. There's no such bold line on that scan but rather someone wanted to take a highlight of some sentences in the interview content, the information of those lines ARE in the interview. I don't know if you can read Japanese yourself, but you can ask someone who does to verify what I said. I match up the translation to exact lines to lines with the scans just like BD vol 1 and vol 2 booklet.--Saluki.N 04:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

The conversation on re-organization is on multiple pages, which I agree is not a great format for someone new to come in and understand what needs to be done. I appreciate the offer but ask that you please wait until the current process is completed on the design and content changes, then take a look and see if there's any gaps to be addressed. I think you'll find the changes will address the concerns you've brought up. The wiki has many other requests in the meantime if you're interested in helping anywhere else. Also, the bolded lines are in fact on the scan. With Shinbo's interview, it's on the prior page of the 2 pg scan for instance. The lines are bolded to reflect the larger sized text of the lines in Japanese that are quoted. --randomanon 05:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'll help with contents while waiting for everyone to fix up organization. Shinbo's interview bold line was there, so I'll only remove the one in Kitamura Eri's section.--Saluki.N 06:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Please don't touch it. Hers is at the top of the page. Please do not change translations. --randomanon 06:29, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Is this a correct matching? And if not, what does the red boxed japanese say? As for the reorganization, mappings like what was in Translated_Official_Documents/Redesign can get broken when we're still changing the content pages. If you have any ideas on how to improve the design over what's in Translated_Official_Documents/Redesign and Talk:Translated_Official_Documents/Redesign, look through the [Homerun-chan talk namespace edits] and [0x99 talk namespace edits], check out the ways categories can be used to organize documents, and come up with specific suggestions and use cases by the time all the content pages are finalized. KM 07:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's the correct matching. Except for small obvious grammatical/spelling fixes, I really don't feel comfortable having someone make changes over what a fluent Japanese translator has done. They know the material best. If someone fluent has a disagreement with the translation, what I've done is post both as alternative translations or in an egregious case, went back and got a third opinion to validate which is correct. So if someone sees a problem, I think a comment on the discussion page questioning or commenting it is best as a general policy, especially if they're not fluent in the language. --randomanon 07:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)