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not sure if I'm allowed to, but I'd also like to vote in favor of deleting it. [[User:Sweetblueflag|Sweetblueflag]] ([[User talk:Sweetblueflag|talk]]) 02:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 
not sure if I'm allowed to, but I'd also like to vote in favor of deleting it. [[User:Sweetblueflag|Sweetblueflag]] ([[User talk:Sweetblueflag|talk]]) 02:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
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::I think the page has run its course and should be removed, along with the fan art on it. There's an archive of the page on archive.org apparently, so if people want to see it again they can find it there instead of here on the wiki. -[[User:The Witch's House|The Witch's House]] ([[User talk:The Witch's House|talk]]) 05:12, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Revision as of 05:12, 4 March 2021

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Wiki upgrade

I've partially finished upgrading the wiki software to latest version and migrating the wiki to a better server (alongside with Walpurgischan). Due to this, there might be some stuff that broke, if you found anything please comment here and I'll try to fix it. The currently broken stuff I'm aware of are:

  • "Magica" theme is missing — likely going to take some time to fix, because there's some breaking changes in the base Vector theme.
  • Mathematics of Madoka Magica page is broken — not sure why, will have to debug.
  • Runes pages are not showing the rune — updated MediaWiki:Common.css but it doesn't seems to work. Do not sure why.

Since the Wiki now running the latest MediaWiki, I should now able to install newer extensions. If anyone have any request, please feel free to say so. Also regarding the cleanup we've discussed last year, since now the new server is done, we might be able to finally start, although it's a bit too late. Either way, sorry for being slow at everything, and thank you for your patience. --0x99 (talk) 23:29, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

* images.puella-magi.net is broken — I forgot about this and it currently broke all hotlinks. Will fix. --0x99 (talk) 23:53, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Done fixing images.puella-magi.net. Runes issue seems to fix itself (caching issue?) --0x99 (talk) 07:55, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Math should now be working: [math]e=mc^2[/math] (and should looked a lot better than before, when inlining) --0x99 (talk) 17:56, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Restored the questy CAPTCHA (trivial question) during registration as it seems like the most effective way to combat against SPAM --0x99 (talk) 05:54, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Lazyload

I'm currently experimenting with Lazyload to see if it result in faster page load and whether it will reduce bandwidth usage for both server side and client side. Due to this, there might be a slight delay until images are displayed on page load. If it's not working out or found to be annoying, I will remove it. Please let me know what do you think. Thanks! --0x99 (talk) 16:54, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Nvm, this is proved to be more annoying and buggy than I'd hope (after half hour of browsing). I'm removing it. Sorry for the noise. --0x99 (talk) 17:24, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

User rights change

I've added User:Sondenise, User:Universalperson and User:The Witch's House to the administrator group in the wiki. The wiki administrator are a group of trusted users (in MediaWiki, "ultimate" admin permission is the configuration file) and can ban the user, lock the page, and edit stuff like MediaWiki:Sidebar (or other part of interface). This is to allow the current editors to be able to change things a bit more easily. Thank you! --0x99 (talk) 15:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much.--Universalperson (talk) 15:51, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Awesome! Thank you so much! Sondenise (talk) 17:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Congrats, you three and keep up the good work! Prima (talk) 05:36, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@0x99

You said you would be removing all the crack shipping garbage from the "yuri undertones" page when you upgraded the site, what happened to this? --User:Temptemp (talk) 21:39, 6 April 2018‎ (UTC)

Since a complete renew of the wiki seems to not be happening anytime soon (due to reduced number of editors we have, and me being busy with RL), we will have to take another approach in cleaning up articles. However, considering the Wiki's root (4chan), we cannot simply delete the page either. This is very likely resulting in subjective/fan content having its own section, completely isolated from the rest of the site. Please feel free to suggest if you have any ideas. --0x99 (talk)
Can we possibly archive the page? A lot of the links on it are dead and while we agreed not to remove the page completely, it's certainly not worth rewriting the page. Sondenise (talk) 20:25, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Now we've moved the server to a better one and anime Magia Record is coming soon, I'll try setting up some archival system in the upcoming weeks. -- 0x99 (talk) 08:20, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Server move

I’ve upgraded and move the server to the faster one in preparation for some more advanced features (e.g. setting up RESTBase so we can use VisualEditor). If you found something broken, please feel free to ping me. Thanks! — 0x99 (talk) 18:11, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Migrated again because the server wasn't fast enough for RESTBase now that I've tried setting it up. -- 0x99 (talk) 08:20, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Server down

I broke something while upgrading server, but it should be fine now. Sorry for the noise! — 0x99 (talk) 16:03, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

I broke networking configuration again but it should be OK now. Sorry! — 0x99 (talk) 07:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Content guidelines

Continuing from User talk:Sondenise#Inappropriate images. Concerns that were raised in the talk page: — 0x99 (talk) 13:05, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Should we keep fan illustrations from original artist: the Wiki forbids fanart, but still allows illustrations from original artists/character designers. Should this be allowed? If it does, where should we draw a line? For example, Kako Natsume's five stars art by Shino before she was promoted to five stars is very important (even for a comparison to her final five star card).

Art from the official character designers should stay in the wiki on a general basis. Some of it, like the image further detailing Kokoro's costume design (See here and the example you stated, are not available in an official capacity but gives further insight into the character or design. Sondenise (talk) 17:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

How do we dealt with sensitive content (e.g. above PG-13): some art from the original character designs (and even the one that were being used in Magia Record) may contain some level of fan services, which many users may found uncomfortable (Magia Record is rated 12+ in App Store and 10+ in Google Play). Should we just put them under content warning collapsible block? If we do, at which point do we start removing from Wiki? Should the guideline applies to official art as well? Other approaches?

I have been looking for MediaWiki extension that allows a user to toggle a flag in their preferences to enable/disable displaying sensitive content, but there doesn't seems to be any. This is one approach we could take, but we'd need to write the extension by ourselves. — 0x99 (talk) 13:10, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Other unofficial art created by the official designers should also stay in my opinion, provided they follow "blue board rules", i.e. no visible nipples or genitalia. I'm all for keeping it under collapsible tables with spoiler tag warnings. But the problem arises with the actual costumes of the characters themselves. I know that one of the images of Haruka that upset one of the other editors was this one, however the costume is completely identical to Chisato's normal Magical Outfit with the exception of the color palette. Chisato's magical girl outfit consists of a hi-cut swimsuit with a vest and collared tie (as seen here). Both girls are only one year apart in terms of age, however Haruka is more well-endowed than Chisato. The outfit itself is no different than what Chisato wears, so why is it ok to display the image of Chisato but not of Haruka? We have this image of Chisato on the wiki implying she is embarrassed by her outfit, but the image of Haruka wearing the same outfit and being equally as embarrassed is not allowed? A similar issue can be applied to Misako Ishijima wearing the unaltered magical girl outfit of Yuuri (seen here), despite the fact that Misako is clearly an adult (as I recall, one of the arguments made by the other editor was that Haruka is 15, but Misako is an adult so why was that image removed?)
Fan service is a part of the spin-off and even a small part of the original series (such as the introduction where Madoka can be seen wearing a leather teddy that is clearly an adult outfit). It is part of almost every single transformation video in the game. It will be nigh impossible to separate all instances of fan service while still being faithful to the adaptation itself. Netflix has Madoka listed as TV-14, meaning it is intended for audience at least 14 years of age (i.e. teenagers). Myanimelist.net has it listed as being rated PG-13. This is not a series originally intended for anyone under 13. As for unofficial art, I leave it to you the owner of this website to draw the line. Personally I believe that as long as there is no sexual activity (or strongly implied sexual activity), then the art should be allowed provided we keep it under spoiler tags until we can get a sensitive content extension going. On a side note, in regards to the art of Sudachi and Mel, both characters are fully clothed. Sudachi is "glomping" Mel, not engaging in coitus. Glomping being defined as "to embrace enthusiastically; to pounce on and hug, often from a running start". Sondenise (talk) 17:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The issue you are not facing here is the fact Sondenise wants these images for their own goddamn personal gain. Please, just explain to me how the image of Haruka sweating and blushing in a revealing outfit is not sexual? It's not 'SENSITIVE CONTENT' it's porn. It's pedophilic porn. I've already made my point here. The issue is this user. It doesn't matter how long they've been here. I cannot believe you're letting a pedophile be an active user on this site. DreamerWitches (talk) 09:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Please don't turn this into personal attacks. Sondenise is a long time contributor, and he always respect the consensus about the guideline. If I were to decide only by myself, Sudachi's illustration should probably be gone, but I don't do that since there's no clear guidelines whether what should allow and what should not. The first thing we need to do here is to define it clearly, then we go down with the cleanups. We won't remove content without first discussing. This has always been the case in the past, such as removal of fanarts from the wiki. If you wish it to be removed, please participate in the discussion without calling names. — 0x99 (talk) 11:53, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I can agree to removing the illustration of Sudachi since both her and Mel were not designed by Masugitsune. In that regards, should we also remove the image of Manaka pulling Lapin out of her hat like a stage show magician, even though Lapin was also designed by Masugitsune? Not so much in regards to the content, but because Masu didn't design Manaka either. But that is something we have to discuss and decide what the guideline should be in regards to art from the official designers. I propose we leave art of the characters by their own original designers (under spoiler tags or not as necessary), but not art by designers that features only characters that they themselves didn't create, since it would technically fall under fanart at that point. Sondenise (talk) 16:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
DreamerWitches please understand that there is a difference between real life and fiction. If society were to censor everything even remotely suggestive of or depicting of potentially illegal situations, then most media and books would be illegal, especially when it comes to anime and manga. Although I am not fond of gory violent video games I would not accuse a person who plays such games of being a real-life murderer, and I think the same sense of reason can apply to this situation. I agree that children should be protected, but it is absolutely malicious to accuse Sondenise of being a pedophile both on this site and elsewhere just because their view differs from yours. Suggestive works are not new to this series. Consider that swimsuit editions of characters also exist mostly for aesthetic reasons and yet no one has raised any complaint over such depictions. Or, if you have not yet seen Kazari Jun's transformation video, I would advise you to take a look at it. If you are crusading against any depiction of sexuality while ignoring these things then there is clearly some sort of double standard in play. Please reconsider your position. Presentmiko (talk) 14:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I think putting them in a spoiler with the appropriate warnings is the better option. But if the image drawn by one of the artists doesn't feature the character they designed (such as the Sudachi one) then it shouldn't be added to the gallery. If the image shows nudity and/or sex then it shouldn't be added either (/meguca/ exists for NSFW.) -The Witch's House (talk) 11:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I think we should also allow art from people who worked with the character designs in an official capacity, even if they weren't the creators. For example, if Fuji Fujino (who drew the Magia Record manga) drew Iroha, or Junichiro Taguchi (who worked with the movie version's character designs) drew Madoka, that could be added to the galleries even though the original designer for both is Ume Aoki.--AlsoArei (talk) 13:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I believe that posting images from Twitter is a bad idea, since none of this is actually official art, it's just that they are unnecessary on the characters ' page, since they do not carry any important information, so stop posting them, I repeat, they are not needed (Gfgfgfff 10:45, 5 February 2021

I wholeheartedly disagree. Art of the characters produced by people involved with the game in any capacity should still be considered official, or at least relevant enough, to be posted here. All other fandom wikis do this (the Steven Universe wiki is a great example). It does not adversely affect the wiki to have them posted here, but people miss out if they are removed. This wiki, as with all wikis, is meant to be a comprehensive host of all information and media relevant to the franchise.
Also, unless you're an Admin Gfg (without a profile page, I cna't tell), I don't think you should be ordering others to not post on-sensitive content here.--Garr9988 (talk) 16:02, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
I would like to point out that the "unofficial" art by the official designers DOES sometimes have important information (like the page that GAN posted with additional information on how Kokoro's outfit is designed, how her hair cubes work etc). Also, the picture of Kokoro in her swimsuit is no way lewd and is in fact the official swimsuit that she wears as one of her alt costumes. Sondenise (talk) 06:30, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

It'd probably be best (at least in my opinion) to put lewd images under a collapsible with a warning, if there isn't a ban on lewd images altogether.. I do think there should be a ban on lewd images, though, considering this wiki is used by children/teenagers - plus nobody wants to be surprised with lewd images anyways, especially while on a page for a young character. --Clus (talk) 05:54, 6 February 2021 (UTC)


Mami's_mammies What's the consensus on this joke page? I know there has been some discussion on the page's discussion tab, but it doesn't seem like a consensus was ever reached and the page has been left untouched since then. This is one of those pages where we either leave it as is (there is already a disclaimer marking it as a joke) or we delete the whole page outright. Sondenise (talk) 18:49, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I vote for deleting it. --AlsoArei (talk) 23:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

not sure if I'm allowed to, but I'd also like to vote in favor of deleting it. Sweetblueflag (talk) 02:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

I think the page has run its course and should be removed, along with the fan art on it. There's an archive of the page on archive.org apparently, so if people want to see it again they can find it there instead of here on the wiki. -The Witch's House (talk) 05:12, 4 March 2021 (UTC)