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Spoiler tag, maybe? --Madokaanon 13:23, 21 January 2011 (CST)

2ch memes

From twitter:


Indeed, no mention of "Mamiru" on this page, although we did add the 2ch memes about Homura and Kyouko (looks like somebody has removed "condom-chan" though). Do you find it worth adding? (basically, they made a verb out of Mami's name based on ... well, you know ;_;) --Homerun-chan 19:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Regarding her name

I wonder if they were trying to imply that she has mixed parentage with the sort-of Italian-sounding non-name in katakana (along with the Italian epithet for her gun)? It makes more sense than trying to piecemeal silly kanji meanings over it. You'd have to be a cruel parent to intend that your child's name be read literally. --Wyatt

I think it was an accidental coincidence. --Mutopis 21:57, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Not that I am complaining. --Mutopis 21:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
... All the more since her move name was totally improvised --Homerun-chan 06:30, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Mami's Witch

Can someone help me with a translation? I plan to make card for a potential Witch!Mami. I just need help translating her card description into Japanese. Here's her description:

The Butterfly Witch. Her nature is fragility. She lures humans into her world with the desire for company. However, her smile hides a broken mind and she will devour those who drop their guard. She appears to take great pleasure in her ways. She will continuously seek more companions. There are times when she will cry from her loneliness. She will never lose her head in a fight. She desires the company of other Witches the most.

I would appreciate it if someone can help out. Thanks --SPDUDE48 14:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Official translation deletion

As Randomanon has pointed out someone is deleting part of the accurate translation. Whoever it is it needs to be warned or banned. --Mutopis 03:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Changes in the character page

It always bothered me how chaotic the main character pages seemed, so I'm thinking of changing them according to the guidelines, though I'm a bit scared because some are HUGE lol. Perhaps I will start with Mami. Should I put a preview here in the discussion page first Secco 07:39, 13 September 2011 (UTC)Secco

  • I agree, but since the post is so old, is anyone still interested in organising the page? Some of the sections seem to be just mass spammage of information. Also, can someone advise on the use of the past tense or the present tense? AMbeforenoon 17:58, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
    • The pages could definitely use some clean-up. I'd be willing to help edit a few pages, too, if needed. As for present vs past tense, I would default to using present for anything that occurs during the story, and past for things that are spoken of happening before the timeline being examined at the time. So for example, Mami is a magical girl, and she contracted with Kyubey some time ago. --CrownClown 18:12, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
      • I've started with cleaning up (as you may see from the edits). It's great to know I'm not the only one. I've been keeping almost all the info, just moving them around, and I haven't really added any new info, in case anyone is wondering. Thanks for the tenses advice, but could I clarify regarding specific events in the timeline? There's a couple of examples I saw here:
      • When we say Mami got eaten by Charlotte, is it "she jumped recklessly..." or "she jumps recklessly..."?
      • "When assaulting Gertrud's barrier, Mami fights in a very focused and disciplined manner, choosing her shots carefully and reacting quickly when she gets into trouble." It reads better in past tense to me since it's a specific event.AMbeforenoon 18:50, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
        • For the first question, it could go either way. I'd pick whatever reads easiest and matches the paragraph tense around it. For the second, it's describing how she fights as a general rule as compared to her more frenzied fighting in Charlotte's barrier, so I'd keep it present. --CrownClown 20:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
          • I think the other character pages also need tidying up too, actually, but I'm focusing on Mami only for now. Any ideas on new sections would be great, I've sorta run dry of ideas to classify the remaining content further (There's still too much lumped under observations and speculations). If there's any objections to my newly added sections, just raise it too.
          • I haven't read any of the other media (though I know the storylines), so it'll be good if someone can look at Oriko, Kazumi and add The Different Story and the movie details. AMbeforenoon 11:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
            • Probably the easiest way to do it like the spin-off characters, with a full history section, so we can remove the episode 3 spoiler from the top of the page. The history section can be further divided up by anime/movie/different manga sections. I'll start that now, actually. --CrownClown 13:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
              • It looks good. Do you think personality should be incorporated into General info? Cos it's short and it's...general info.
              • Hmmm, I went to take a look at the spin-off characters. History also won't fit as well being the third part compared to the spin-offs cos a lot of the distilled info is in other parts (and since there's nothing in anime+dramaCDs now, it isn't as enticing). Maybe after wish and weapons? --AMbeforenoon 13:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
                • History and personality are really the major points when it comes to story, so I think those should go first. The official/general info section could be cut down by putting info like the note about her deaths into the history section, really. The personality section was just a short placeholder for the moment, mostly, while we work on moving things around.
                • Also, doing it this way makes all the character pages the same in format, plus puts spoilers like the wish and weapons/fighting styles after their in-story context, which is more important when it comes to story and plot function. --CrownClown 14:20, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
                  • Hmmm I don't think we have to worry about formatting because we're effectively creating a new template (that I assume will be transferred to the rest of the pages). History seems to be a general synopsis of the whole thing, but it's rather piecemeal imo because it's character specific. Let's wait for more opinions before we get in on that again. No point fighting over it now.
                  • Now in hindsight, it seems more appropriate if the New World is put together with the anime, because it's one continuity. --AMbeforenoon 14:34, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
                  • That's true. The new movie will be in that world, so we can always just move it to a new section when that comes out. The first two movies have no new plot details so we can skip them in the history section. --CrownClown 14:59, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Intro paragraph

I think we need a better synopsis which doesn't immediately spoil Episode 3 for anyone who googles Mami Tomoe before watching it. (Yes, there are people who haven't watched it yet. I was one of them until 2 months ago.) I don't have any ideas, but it would be great if someone could edit it. AMbeforenoon 18:59, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

The revision history is amusing.
21 January 2011: IP address from AUS: "She died tragically in episode 3."
21 January 2011: Artefacto: Undoes that revision, removing the spoiler.
26 January 2011: IP address from GER: "She dies a gruesome death in the battle against the witch Charlotte in episode 3."
27 January 2011: Homerun-chan adds a spoilers warning box above the paragraph.
27 January 2011: Episode 4 airs.
29 January 2011: IP address from UK: Inserts "seemingly" before "dies."
Spoiling it within hours of when subs first became available, and requiring a "seemingly" qualifier since watching her get chewed to pieces and her magic be dispelled on camera wasn't sufficient confirmation that she died. Good times. Well, the new paragraph shouldn't spoil things for anyone who doesn't know about it, right? KM 08:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
It looks great! AMbeforenoon 10:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


I've been tidying up the page for the last couple of days, but so far I've been avoiding making substantial changes to the content cos I'm not sure how to do so without cutting details. For example, in the below example it's probably clear that person A wrote some interpretation about episode 10 first, then two separate people commented on it, disagreeing.

To shorten and consolidate the point, should I just rephrase the whole thing? Cos I feel that the differing opinions have value in them but it's awkwardly long for a wiki article. It's the same thing for the discussion on whether Mami is the strongest magical girl.

Opinions anyone? Delete, keep or shift to the discussion page? Or create another page for interpretation? Or something?

  • In episode 10, learning the awful truth about magical girls after fighting Sayaka/Oktavia makes Mami from Timeline 3 lose her mind, since her whole view of the world is shattered. She breaks down in tears, killing Kyoko by shooting her Soul Gem, then wraps Homura in ribbons and tries to kill her, genuinely thinking that she is saving them from a fate worse than death. Madoka, however, destroys Mami's Soul Gem with a beam arrow and kills her to stop her rampage.
    • Mami may have been calmer than she first seemed, considering she did not despair and turn into a witch immediately. Her method of attack was also strategic, killing Kyoko, who is a close-range combat expert possessing high speed and agility first, tying up Homura so she cannot use her time manipulation, and leaving Madoka, who is timid and held much admiration for her (and thus was not expected to react so quickly), later.
    • In "Key Animation Note Volume 5,P194", Yukihiro Miyamoto (the series director of Puella Magi Madoka Magica) says that Mami binds Homura and kills Kyoko "in calm judgment."(He stated, "I like Mami's calm judgment. Firstly, she binds Homura who has the ability to manipulate time. Subsequently, she kills Kyoko who has the powerful offensive power. Mami's only miscalculation is that Madoka's mind is stronger than she assumed."). Considering the circumstances mentioned above, the producers of Puella Magi Madoka Magica insist that the Mami of Timeline 3 doesn't lose her mind in that occurrence.

AMbeforenoon 10:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

For this specific example, the two double-bulleted sections could be merged into one, since they're quite redundant.
In the general case, err on the side of including detail. Having rebuttals to analysis isn't a problem (although poorly written or stupid ones warrant fixing or axing).
By the way, use the preview function every time. It makes editing a lot more efficient and helps consolidate small edits. I still have to double check everything I write to avoid having typos slip in. KM 17:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok I will. Sorry for crowding the History page. --AMbeforenoon 18:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


I have absolutely no idea what to put as spoilers (i.e. blank out, I dunno the term for it) and what to leave there as per normal. I suspect that Oriko and Kazumi are treated as spoilers cos most people didn't/haven't read them yet, but I'm not sure what to do with the Madoka Magica ones. There's so many Wham Lines that it's ridiculous.

Should Oriko and Kazumi still be blanked out? I support that (cos I haven't read them yet). Should info regarding certain eps in Madoka Magica be blanked out too? What do you think? The particular line that bugs me is this: She was brought back to life due to Madoka's wish at the end of Episode 12. She now fights Demons with Kyoko and Homura. AMbeforenoon 10:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I think it's reasonable to keep spoiler tags for material that isn't yet available in English, or has just been released. So I wouldn't count in the episodes from the series or Oriko. Otherwise we might as well white out the whole page, since anything can be a spoiler to somebody. Having everything sorted into proper sections would help peole avoid areas where there's a high chance of spoilers for them. --Knon 11:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, that's reasonable. My personal take for spoilers is the New World in eps 12, Oriko and Kazumi, but if it's sorted properly there won't be a need to white them out.More work to do then. --AMbeforenoon 12:10, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Whiteouts should be rare. If it's one line in the whole article, or a couple sentences about a different work that's OK. They can be used more often for related works like Oriko, since it might not be obvious that you'll get the ending of a spinoff spoiled (you might not even be aware of the spinoff), or for stuff that's new and not widely read yet.
However, if someone hasn't finished the main anime and starts reading through the guts of a wiki article anyway, it's their own fault if they get spoiled. I thought it was a good idea to remove the intro paragraph spoiler because it's "above the fold" and could be seen by somebody previewing the page before it sinks in that they're in an article with a big spoiler warning at the top. KM 17:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Spoiler template

I have no programming background/knowledge, so I trialed and errored and edited the template. I haven't posted it up yet because I suspect there's a rule somewhere that says that we should reference the template page instead of typing it out on the page. Anyone knows anything about that?

This article may contain major spoilers for all episodes and chapters.

Please refrain from reading if you are not yet familiar with all the latest media released

I feel it's more suitable for the spoiler banner as it says article instead of section. If anyone could edit the actual template to include an 'article' option, it would be great. Any opinions on what it should say? 'Latest media released' seems awkward since the original Madoka Magica anime isn't really 'latest media' anymore... AMbeforenoon 11:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Changing section to article makes sense there. Latest media released probably applies to anything released recently, not just the anime. Which might be confusing for someone who isn't keeping up with what is being released... --Knon 12:04, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I agree. For the character pages, a good warning would be ALL the media released, depending on the section, but that's rather intimidating. --AMbeforenoon 12:26, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it does sound rather intimidating. I think the character pages should be more accessible than that. An option could be to add a smaller warning at the top of the page with: "This article may contain spoilers from various media. Please proceed with caution.", then use individual warnings for sections where it's not obvious what is being spoiled. --Knon 13:13, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
We shouldn't have very similar or redundant templates, and "section" could technically cover an article, so a separate article-wide warning should add something more substantial. I can't think of much besides linking to a list of the existing media, and it's hard to describe article formats because different articles will have spoilers in different places. If we can't come up with anything more meaty to add to an article-wide box, the way you have it now seems pretty good with "above the fold" stuff being spoiler-free, and subsections spoiling freely. As for actually changing templates, that's something you'd have to check with 0x99 for. KM 17:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

This article may contain major spoilers from various media and spin-offs.

Please proceed with caution.
I like Knon's suggestion about the phrasing. Is it substantial enough? Should the first and second lines be swapped? I think we should firm up an idea for a template before asking 0x99 (thanks for the heads-up). I also edited the spoiler warning for the History section to make it specific to sub-sections (not really necessary) and specific releases instead of latest releases (more necessary I think). Any opinons on that too? --AMbeforenoon 19:10, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Little details

  • Are Mami's curls Ojou Ringlets? It sure looks like it, but I'm not sure.--AMbeforenoon 14:45, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
    • It's a TVtrope that works for her (ringlets that evoke a ladylike image), so I guess that's why we're calling them that, but really we could just call them whatever. We don't have to follow th exact TVtropes definition. --CrownClown 14:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
  • From trivia: "The reason Mami is hung up in naming her attacks is because she is trying to emulate the Mahou Shoujo from her childhood, it is her own way of gaining the courage to fight witches without feeling terrified." I don't remember this from anywhere. Was it in one of the guidebooks/interviews? --AMbeforenoon 16:27, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
It's from Drama CD 3, after Kyouko asks her why she's so hung up on her shouting her attack name: "Mami: I just think it’s better than fighting while you’re terrified/afraid. We’re always risking our lives when we fight Witches to death. But then I thought to myself, when we dreamed of our favourite magical girls as a child they never lost hope or were afraid." --Knon 17:00, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Hmmm thanks! Been planning to listen to it sometime but I've been busy lately.--AMbeforenoon17:12, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
  • The "Saimoe 2011: Mami's victory speech" and "Mami's Nendoroid losing her head" links at the bottom of the page is broken. Anyone has the link? --AMbeforenoon 16:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
    • Victory speech google cache. There's also a blog. Not sure about the nendoroid one, though. KM 17:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the link. I've replaced it with the cache. Anyone prefers the blog? --AMbeforenoon 18:40, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
  • The Ume Aoki design check link is dead too. Anyone have an alternate one? --CrownClown 17:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Megami Magazine 2011-01. --Knon 17:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. --CrownClown 17:55, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Could someone beef up "Mami enjoys hosting tea parties. She cooks well. " in the General Info section? I don't know how to do it justice and Mami's tea parties almost seem like a character trait. --AMbeforenoon 18:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


Here are just a few things I think need to be done

  • Synopsis of the drama CDs (Mami-specific parts)
  • Tidying up of the text (See Consolidation above)
  • Moving the large speculation sections into their own Speculah/Article page.
  • Comparison of differences between anime and movie (Mami-specific)

--AMbeforenoon 18:40, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Speculation formatting

The speculation section seems to be a semi-forum-ish argument-counterargument on certain issues. It's hard to follow this way, so I tried putting it in a table form (see below) for one of the arguments about how strong Mami is. What do you think?
Formatting is a bit rough (I adapted it from the Weapons page) as I did it by trial and error. Directly opposing points are next to each other.

Mami's relative strength
(Deleted as it was shifted to the Speculah page) --AMbeforenoon 16:06, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Wow, that is really big. Maybe for the speculations that have become so big like this, it might be worth just putting it on a Speculah/Article page of its own? Using a few of these tables will clutter the page quickly. --CrownClown 16:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
    • I think that that would be good. Mami's page is really cluttered with all of this. I haven't edited a Speculah page before, so maybe someone/you could create the framework? On an unrelated note, are speculah hard to find (no direct links) or is it just me? --AMbeforenoon 16:21, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
      • They used to be easier to find, but since we cut them all down, we removed a lot of directs to them. You can find them on the Articles page. I can start a page for this particular speculation, but they're probably going to need individual pages. --CrownClown 16:34, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Since it's speculation, it might fit better on the theories page. --Knon 17:04, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh, forgot about that page. I'll use that then. --CrownClown 17:14, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Speculah:Mami is the Strongest Theory page created. Feel free to add/remove anything you guys find necessary, I'm not sure how to handle pages like these, for the most part. --CrownClown
Thanks for handling it. Since everything is moved there, I'll delete it from the speculation section. I'll just put a short description of her strength in the general info part. Or does it fit better in Weapons/Abilities/Fighting Style?--AMbeforenoon 18:30, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Since it's mostly about her tactics and magical strength, I'd put in in the Weapons/Abilities/Fighting Style section, yes. --CrownClown 18:52, 30 November 2012 (UTC)