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::::::<s>Seems I was fooled, then. Bleh</s> Or not. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 16:50, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 
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::::: [http://www.madoka-magica.com/books/02.html It's from the official website.] I thought everyone knew about this already.--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:12, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 
::::: [http://www.madoka-magica.com/books/02.html It's from the official website.] I thought everyone knew about this already.--[[User:Universalperson|Universalperson]] 17:12, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
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== Prequel/Sequel Debate ==
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Should probably move this to a new section. Anyway:
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*Point A: "It can't be a prequel, the cover of Vol 2 shows Homura, not Moemura."
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**Sadly doesn't mean much. It could still be a prequel that happens in the one week we don't see before episode 1, and the cover is just a metaphor for what Homura is doing, and not something that will actually happen in the manga. The cover could also just be that: a cover, and have little to do with the story.
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*Point B: "It can't be a sequel, Homura's not wearing Madoka's ribbons."
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**She doesn't start wearing the ribbons until after the "Sayaka vanishes" point in the timeline. This could also be the point where she starts remembering Madoka too. Therefore it doesn't really mean anything. Also once again, cover could just be a cover.
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*Point C: "It's centered on Kyouko and Mami, so it has to be a prequel."
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**Could be. Could also just be set in the new setting where they are clearly working together.
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Feel free to add points and counterpoints as necessary. However, I feel that right now we haven't been given anything conclusive about whether it's a prequel, sequel, or an outright alt-u. Until we see a Witch/Grief Seed or a Demon/Grief... Cube?, it would be better not to assume anything. It might mislead people and create false hopes.

Revision as of 17:57, 30 April 2011

Aster Selene, where have you found the information that Oriko is a sequel? All other sources seem to indicate it as a prequel...

Question: I would like to verify what the evidence was that Oriko was a prequel. As far as I know, it was pure speculation on the part of fans because at the time of its announcement, it was what fans thought would explain Mami and Kyouko being in it despite being dead (or on the way there) in the anime. Now that we've seen episode 12, we know that doesn't have to be the case. So I'm not sure why the default mentality is "it's a prequel unless proven otherwise." Normally one thinks of a continuation/spin-off as being sequential to the original work, unless specifically stated otherwise.

--KFYatek 11:32, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

This article seems to indicate that it is, I am more surprised that no one seems to be worried that it will be centered around "MAHOU SHOUJO HUNTING" --Mutopis 22:39, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, "silently reaching Madoka Kaname bit by bit" doesn't settle anything. It may refer to Madokami, but it may also refer to the week between Homura's release from hospital and her transferring in to Mitakihara's school. --KFYatek 09:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
This has all the workings of an hilarious translation error, RE: "mahou shoujo hunting".

Better Translation?

I have reason to think that both translations listed on this page contain important errors. The "Translation of Official Site" comes from here, but it seems to mention both Madoka and Homura (based off looking for the characters for "Homura"). But more importantly, when I put the text from here into an online translator, the last two lines actually appear to be the two English lines seen on the cover here (click and zoom in on the upper left. Granted, it looks like it's badly translated English, but still). Could anyone re-translate these? (I have no capability of translating Japanese). -- Universalperson 16:31, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I took a shot at translating the little text that's available, and while I don't have a complete set yet, I was able to pinpoint some problems. For example, the "Who could be the girl that stands in front of Mami and Kyouko?" could be better expressed as "Who in the world is this young girl standing before Mami and Kyouko...?" (Mami to Kyouko no mae ni tatazumu kono otome wa ittai...?) The "magical girl hunting" bit is also vague in English, whereas in Japanese I'm pretty sure that it clearly refers to "the hunting activities of magical girls," rather than "the hunting of magical girls." It's difficult for me since I'm not well-versed in the language, but I'll try to help out! Momoism 04:14, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Er, going back to the "hunting" part, since that's apparently what a lot of people are concerned about: it's "mahou shoujo kari." When discussing, say, a fox hunt in Japanese, you write "kitsune kari." I guess the white-robed "magical beasts" are going on a hunt? Momoism 04:26, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm an owner of the animapple blog. I also think calling this manga sequel is a bit to far-fatched from the information currently given. Before this synopsis being released, the only information we had was; 'Oriko Magica will be looking at other character's story in different perspective'. Thus, there are two possibilities; 1. The idea of 'prequel' was all trolling and this is indeed sequel, as that synopsis was posted 'AFTER' the airing of last episode, 2. It is prequel from untold loop by homura.

However, I still consider my translation to be accurate. 2ch's response justified that it is indeed 'magical girls being hunted', not 'magical girls hunting'.

I give you another fact that improves possibility of this being sequel. This concept design by animator of MadoMagi instructs to make Homura look like 'villain' and mahou beast thing to be look like a 'good guy'. Ring0tamegane 06:25, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Vol 2 cover

Oriko vol 2 cover is flying around, though I can't find a bigger version.
Oriko 2 cover small.jpg
I think this is definitive proof it is not a prequel, given that Homura has no glasses. Who the hell are those two in the back, though? Guess we'll have to wait to find out... --BrickBreak 15:49, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

But if this is not a prequel, then what the hell is Madoka doing on the cover? --KFYatek 16:20, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
It's either troll, metaphor, or real. You cannot judge anything from it. Ring0tamegane 16:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Symbolism, I guess? She is being hugged by Homura, after all...
Anyway, that's the reason I said it wasn't a prequel, and not that it was a sequel. It might also be during the events of the anime, or in one of Homura's timelines, but those two girls in the back... --BrickBreak 16:25, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
It's most likely a fake cover, since a) it doesn't show up on Amazon, b) it doesn't make sense that the second cover would be released while the first volume's publication is still over a week away, and c) the art style is completely different, from the proportions to the coloring. Mura Kuroe couldn't have improved that much, unless the whole Oriko series is actually going to be drawn by different artists. Momoism 16:30, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
That picture reminds me of a troll description on 2ch [1]
"Kyouko Sakura who searches for a (fated?) white Puella Magi; Mami Tomoe, who confronts the culpit of the "Puella Magi Hunting", a black Puella Magi; and Homura Akemi, who does nothing but protect Madoka Kaname's peace. [...] Which would be, one time axis that already passed." --TATZL 16:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Seems I was fooled, then. Bleh Or not. --BrickBreak 16:50, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
It's from the official website. I thought everyone knew about this already.--Universalperson 17:12, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Prequel/Sequel Debate

Should probably move this to a new section. Anyway:

  • Point A: "It can't be a prequel, the cover of Vol 2 shows Homura, not Moemura."
    • Sadly doesn't mean much. It could still be a prequel that happens in the one week we don't see before episode 1, and the cover is just a metaphor for what Homura is doing, and not something that will actually happen in the manga. The cover could also just be that: a cover, and have little to do with the story.
  • Point B: "It can't be a sequel, Homura's not wearing Madoka's ribbons."
    • She doesn't start wearing the ribbons until after the "Sayaka vanishes" point in the timeline. This could also be the point where she starts remembering Madoka too. Therefore it doesn't really mean anything. Also once again, cover could just be a cover.
  • Point C: "It's centered on Kyouko and Mami, so it has to be a prequel."
    • Could be. Could also just be set in the new setting where they are clearly working together.

Feel free to add points and counterpoints as necessary. However, I feel that right now we haven't been given anything conclusive about whether it's a prequel, sequel, or an outright alt-u. Until we see a Witch/Grief Seed or a Demon/Grief... Cube?, it would be better not to assume anything. It might mislead people and create false hopes.