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Here, "magical girl hunt" is in quotes. -- [[Special:Contributions/84.134.5.236|84.134.5.236]] 00:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 
Here, "magical girl hunt" is in quotes. -- [[Special:Contributions/84.134.5.236|84.134.5.236]] 00:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
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Since there are witches, this is at least in part a prequel. <small>[[User:Aster Selene|Only dead fish]] [[User talk:Aster Selene|go with the flow.]]</small> 00:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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Aster Selene, where have you found the information that Oriko is a sequel? All other sources seem to indicate it as a prequel...

--KFYatek 11:32, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

This article seems to indicate that it is, I am more surprised that no one seems to be worried that it will be centered around "MAHOU SHOUJO HUNTING" --Mutopis 22:39, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Well, "silently reaching Madoka Kaname bit by bit" doesn't settle anything. It may refer to Madokami, but it may also refer to the week between Homura's release from hospital and her transferring in to Mitakihara's school. --KFYatek 09:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
This has all the workings of an hilarious translation error, RE: "mahou shoujo hunting".

Question: I would like to verify what the evidence was that Oriko was a prequel. As far as I know, it was pure speculation on the part of fans because at the time of its announcement, it was what fans thought would explain Mami and Kyouko being in it despite being dead (or on the way there) in the anime. Now that we've seen episode 12, we know that doesn't have to be the case. So I'm not sure why the default mentality is "it's a prequel unless proven otherwise." Normally one thinks of a continuation/spin-off as being sequential to the original work, unless specifically stated otherwise.

There was some scan (the original link 404ed, and I'm too lazy to search for it elsewhere) with a comment by Mura Kuroe, reading 「およそ一般的な魔法少女らしからぬ佐倉杏子や衡撃的な殉職をした巴マミに、アニメとはまた違った角度からスポットを当てたり、オリジナルキャラが出てきたりと、かなり自由にやらせていただいております。現段階ではまだ何もお話できませんが(笑)、アニメを観終えた方がもっと『魔法少女まどか☆マギカ』ワールドを楽しめる、観てない方は最初からアニメを観てみたくなる、そんなコミックスに出来るようがんばりますので楽しみにしていてください。」 (I actually retyped it some time ago for MAL, so that's how I have the text). What I was able to understand from it is that the manga will show Kyouko and Mami from different perspectives, will feature original characters and will be approaching the Madoka universe in a quite liberal way. It was clearly understood at the time (after ep8 - Mami had died long ago, and Kyouko was speculated to die soon, which actually happened) that it means a prequel, but yeah, now that Mami and Kyouko are back in a way, it's not that clear. --KFYatek 18:03, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
It was also subtly implied in the anime that Mami and Kyouko had some sort of shared backstory in the past, and it was thought that Oriko would cover that period. Before the synopsis was released, the description said it would cover an event that was not in the anime, which could suggest a prequel. --Universalperson 18:45, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
I can't see it not covering their shared past, but that can be done in the form of a flashback, as it's been suggested. I don't discard any possibility at the moment. --BrickBreak 21:33, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Better Translation?

I have reason to think that both translations listed on this page contain important errors. The "Translation of Official Site" comes from here, but it seems to mention both Madoka and Homura (based off looking for the characters for "Homura"). But more importantly, when I put the text from here into an online translator, the last two lines actually appear to be the two English lines seen on the cover here (click and zoom in on the upper left. Granted, it looks like it's badly translated English, but still). Could anyone re-translate these? (I have no capability of translating Japanese). -- Universalperson 16:31, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I took a shot at translating the little text that's available, and while I don't have a complete set yet, I was able to pinpoint some problems. For example, the "Who could be the girl that stands in front of Mami and Kyouko?" could be better expressed as "Who in the world is this young girl standing before Mami and Kyouko...?" (Mami to Kyouko no mae ni tatazumu kono otome wa ittai...?) The "magical girl hunting" bit is also vague in English, whereas in Japanese I'm pretty sure that it clearly refers to "the hunting activities of magical girls," rather than "the hunting of magical girls." It's difficult for me since I'm not well-versed in the language, but I'll try to help out! Momoism 04:14, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Er, going back to the "hunting" part, since that's apparently what a lot of people are concerned about: it's "mahou shoujo kari." When discussing, say, a fox hunt in Japanese, you write "kitsune kari." I guess the white-robed "magical beasts" are going on a hunt? Momoism 04:26, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I'm an owner of the animapple blog. I also think calling this manga sequel is a bit to far-fatched from the information currently given. Before this synopsis being released, the only information we had was; 'Oriko Magica will be looking at other character's story in different perspective'. Thus, there are two possibilities; 1. The idea of 'prequel' was all trolling and this is indeed sequel, as that synopsis was posted 'AFTER' the airing of last episode, 2. It is prequel from untold loop by homura.

However, I still consider my translation to be accurate. 2ch's response justified that it is indeed 'magical girls being hunted', not 'magical girls hunting'.

I give you another fact that improves possibility of this being sequel. This concept design by animator of MadoMagi instructs to make Homura look like 'villain' and mahou beast thing to be look like a 'good guy'. Ring0tamegane 06:25, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Vol 2 cover

Oriko vol 2 cover is flying around, though I can't find a bigger version.
Oriko 2 cover small.jpg
I think this is definitive proof it is not a prequel, given that Homura has no glasses. Who the hell are those two in the back, though? Guess we'll have to wait to find out... --BrickBreak 15:49, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

But if this is not a prequel, then what the hell is Madoka doing on the cover? --KFYatek 16:20, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
It's either troll, metaphor, or real. You cannot judge anything from it. Ring0tamegane 16:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Symbolism, I guess? She is being hugged by Homura, after all...
Anyway, that's the reason I said it wasn't a prequel, and not that it was a sequel. It might also be during the events of the anime, or in one of Homura's timelines, but those two girls in the back... --BrickBreak 16:25, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
It's most likely a fake cover, since a) it doesn't show up on Amazon, b) it doesn't make sense that the second cover would be released while the first volume's publication is still over a week away, and c) the art style is completely different, from the proportions to the coloring. Mura Kuroe couldn't have improved that much, unless the whole Oriko series is actually going to be drawn by different artists. Momoism 16:30, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
That picture reminds me of a troll description on 2ch [1]
"Kyouko Sakura who searches for a (fated?) white Puella Magi; Mami Tomoe, who confronts the culpit of the "Puella Magi Hunting", a black Puella Magi; and Homura Akemi, who does nothing but protect Madoka Kaname's peace. [...] Which would be, one time axis that already passed." --TATZL 16:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Seems I was fooled, then. Bleh Or not. --BrickBreak 16:50, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
It's from the official website. I thought everyone knew about this already.--Universalperson 17:12, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for getting confused. (Seriously, though, the cover looks like somebody on 2ch grabbed some fanart from Pixiv, slapped some red circles and the logo on it, then released the thing to the internet.) The artist is still listed as "Mura Kuroe," so is he going to be using different art styles for the series? Did someone else produce the cover illustration? Momoism 20:35, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
I think the problem is that we only have a very small image to go on. If we had a larger image we could probably make something out. --Universalperson 20:57, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

What I called a troll description earlier is now on Amazon, apparently for Oriko's second volume. So is it real after all?

Well I checked the 2ch source [2] and it points to [3] as its source which is a reputable seller. I checked and it has the same synopsis as Amazon. So I'd consider it legit. --randomanon 01:13, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
大ヒットオリジナルTVアニメ「魔法少女まどか☆マギカ」の全編描き下ろしスピンオフコミック、完結巻!
因縁の白い魔法少女を探す佐倉杏子、魔法少女狩りの犯人、黒い魔法少女と対峙する巴マミ、ただひたすらに、鹿目まどかとの平穏を守ろうとする暁美ほむら。
交わることのないはずの3人の魔法少女が『織莉子』の手によって螺旋状に運命を束ねられていく。
それは、彼女たちの存在を試す物語――。
それは、過ぎ去ったひとつの時間軸――。
"One time axis" might mean that it takes place in one of the alternate timelines. --Universalperson 23:20, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Someone on /a/ provided this basic summary translation. Someone else has verified this translation as accurate enough.
  • This is the concluding volume of the spin-off comic made for the big-hit TV anime "Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica".
  • Kyouko searching for some white magical girl
  • Mami confronting a black magical girl who's the criminal behind the "magical girl hunting"
  • Homura protecting Madoka
  • The path of those three magical girls weren't supposed to cross and [something about Oriko and fate]
  • A story where their existence is tested
  • The story of a passed time line
  • This is the concluding volume of the spin-off comic made for the big-hit TV anime "Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica". --randomanon 01:13, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Prequel/Sequel Debate

Should probably move this to a new section. Anyway:

  • Point A: "It can't be a prequel, the cover of Vol 2 shows Homura, not Moemura."
    • Sadly doesn't mean much. It could still be a prequel that happens in the one week we don't see before episode 1, and the cover is just a metaphor for what Homura is doing, and not something that will actually happen in the manga. The cover could also just be that: a cover, and have little to do with the story.
  • Point B: "It can't be a sequel, Homura's not wearing Madoka's ribbons."
    • She doesn't start wearing the ribbons until after the "Sayaka vanishes" point in the timeline. This could also be the point where she starts remembering Madoka too. Therefore it doesn't really mean anything. Also once again, cover could just be a cover.
  • Point C: "It's centered on Kyouko and Mami, so it has to be a prequel."
    • Could be. Could also just be set in the new setting where they are clearly working together.

Feel free to add points and counterpoints as necessary. However, I feel that right now we haven't been given anything conclusive about whether it's a prequel, sequel, or an outright alt-u. Until we see a Witch/Grief Seed or a Demon/Grief... Cube?, it would be better not to assume anything. It might mislead people and create false hopes.

I'll add pro-sequel points:

  • 1) Sayaka is the only major character missing in both Oriko covers and descriptions. This is an odd absence in prequel where you have Madoka and Homura present (meaning it couldn't be a time prior to Sayaka's introduction, as she's friends with Madoka). However, her absence would make sense in a sequel where Sayaka's died in episode 12.
  • 2) The introduction of new girls and the description of the manga as having a new plot-line with the "hunting of magical girls" seems to me like quite a bit of information you have to hand-wave to explain that all happened involving the major cast characters, and never get mentioned in the anime. Whereas it would fit for a continuation or spin-off without problems, especially since episode 12 makes it clear magical girls still exist, still fight, but things are different and a sequel could explain how.
  • 3) Normally if a manga is a prequel, that's mentioned in the advertisement. The fact it isn't leads me to believe that the publisher expects us to believe the default view: that a manga is a sequel or in this case, a spin-off, that follows that original body of work.
I will take a third option and say it will be set after anime events, but it will fill in backstory from before the anime events through flashbacks, thus letting it function as both a sequel and a prequel. --Universalperson 18:47, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Not sure if this is known, but here is an advertisement for the three next books:

http://www.dokidokivisual.com/madokamagica/tokuho/

「魔法少女おりこ☆マギカ」第1巻 原案:Magica Quartet 漫画:ムラ黒江

TVアニメでは描かれない杏子の、マミの、そしてほむらとまどかのもうひとつの戦い。 交わっていなかったはずの彼女たちを結びつけていたのは—「魔法少女狩り」!? コミカライズ版「魔法少女まどか☆マギカ」同様に全編描き下ろしで贈るもうひとつの「魔法少女まどか☆マギカ」!!

Here, "magical girl hunt" is in quotes. -- 84.134.5.236 00:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

First 8 pages release

Since there are witches, this is at least in part a prequel. Only dead fish go with the flow. 00:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)