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Magic creating goddesses
I am starting to think that the Madoka verse is somehow tied to the Karma/Space-Time/Origin compression of Soul-Bond transdimensional network building through hard recurrence method.
- The continuous process of soul recycling amongst parallel dimensions and timelines is a controlled process guided by a general set of laws designed to dillude karmic accumulation and ensure the eventual achievement of perfec happiness, enlightenment or nirvana.
- However, any given set of rules cannot sustain itself in the face of a continuosly changing environment which inevitably stresses it's inherent flaws and loopholes. This in turn determines that at some point the system will find a rupture point that will lead to an accumulation of karmic energy in a single soul which potentially destabilizes the system toward destruction.
- Under normal circumstances, the system flaw will be corrected because most distortions would fall short of the system's flexibily to work under stress and karmic rebounding would come to eliminate the distortion to preserve the system but there are ways to increase karmic accumulation beyond the system's capacity and henceforth triggering a fall.
- Hard recurrence method occurs when a small rupture is repeated over and over under different parallel worlds to the point it begins forming a network of soul-bond energy which grows and potentializes itself beyond the systems security measures and creates enough "fuel" to create a new sustained soul cycle. It basically becomes a flaw so great that a new system needs to be build and the accumulated energy allows for it to happen.
- Once such situation is reached, the rupture point just needs to be connected to the infinite outer dimensional stream of energy that the network will assimilate a portion of it, compress under the soul which caused the rupture and restructure itself into a new working system improved over the previous flaws. Take note that once that process happens, the soul is restructured to infinitely produce the same amount of energy as the one utilized in it's ascention, the person essentially becomes an extention of the infinite stream governing a part of it's power under it's will.
- By all accounts, said process is irreversible as an infinite source of energy cannot be erased, depleted or returned since the affected soul is an extension of the stream and not someone who borrows it's power.
- In the odd case a turnover of system cycles happens to clash with one another, the soul controlling the previous system will be placed into an obervant/consultive role whereas direct command will be given to the bearer of the new one as to prevent previous improvements from being hampered while guaranteeing the continuation of the system improvement cycle.
- If a peaceful coexistence between the previous and the current system becomes impossible, the innevitable points of rupture that arise will guarantee the ascention of a third party that will sanate said points of rupture and assume authority over the previous conflicting souls.
- The cycles will happen as many times as necessary under different systems until a completely sustainable working model can be achieved and all souls find happiness. --Derp101(3) 16:39, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Opinions
Isn't it better to leave the opinions outside of the actual information page? Such as that part were it says "but what type of love? selfish love" or where it says "Madoka is literally a prisoner of Homura's love"? -Hoshiko 05:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- I concur. This page should be primarily informational. Analysis that Hoshiko allured to are better served under Yuri undertones. - Prima 06:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Cake Song
Lyrics
| Original | Romanization | English Translation |
|---|---|---|
| ケーキ、ケーキ、まぁるいケーキ まぁるいケーキはだぁれ？ |
Cake, Cake, a round cake Who is the round cake? |
Useful Links
- Q&A
- Movie Pamphlet [1]
- Movie Summary [2] [3]
Fan Reacion
I remember reading something about how fans would be divided because of the ending, from an interview. does anyone know from which interview is that? and do we have any new articles about it? --Mutopis 12:25, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- the French interview. I believe I have a translation mirrored on the wiki somewhere. - Prima 12:42, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
I kinda feel grim for the future of this franchise -- with change for (forced) continuation's sake and all that(Urobochi might enjoy writing with new ideas to torture audiences nonethless, but it wouldn't be the case had the Director and Producer never came up with those ideas). If the new series or sequel ends so catastrophic such as the universe ends up being destroyed, it would make the series even LESS spectacular(in my opinion anyway), because space/time/universes are being so cheap nowadays 1.161.36.244 12:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC) An Outsider Audience
Translation (spoiler alert)
Homura and Madoka
| Translation | Original Dialogue | ||
|---|---|---|---|
| Homura | I had a very scary dream. | ほむら | 私ね、とても怖い夢を見たの |
| Madoka | A scary dream? | まどか | 夢？ |
| Homura | In that dream Madoka went to a place far away, a place that I could never reach. I was the only one who remembered Madoka, I was lonely and in pain. However no else understood my feeling. In the end I doubted whether or not the Madoka I remembered ever existed in the first place or just that something I imagined. | ほむら | あなたが、もう二度会えないほど遠い所に行っちゃって、なのに世界中の誰もかもがそのことを忘れちゃって、私だけがまどかのことが覚えてるたったひとりの人間として取り残されて...寂しいのに、悲しいのに、その気持ちを誰にもわかってもらえない、そのうちにまどかの思い出はあたしが勝手に作り出した絵空事じゃないかって、自分自身さえ信じられなくなって |
| Madoka | That is a very painful dream, however don't worry, i would never go away and leave you alone. | まどか | うん、それはとてもいやの夢だね、でも大丈夫だよ、私たけが誰にも会えなくなるほど遠く一人で行っちゃうなんて、そんなありっこないよ |
| Homura | How can you be so certain? | ほむら | どうして？なぜそう言い切れるの？ |
| Madoka | Because it's me. If that it's something that even Homura-chan started to cry about, I would never be able to endure it. | まどか | だって私だよ？、ほむらちゃんでさえ泣いちゃうような辛いこと、わたしが我慢できるわけないじゃない |
| Homura | That is also something that is unbearable to you? | ほむら | あなたにとっても、それは我慢できないほど辛いこと？ |
| Madoka | That is right, Homura-chan Sayaka-chan, Mami-san, Kyouko-chan, papa, mama, Tatsuya and Hitomi-chan and the rest of the class, I don't want to part with any of you. Even if that is something I must do, I would not have the courage to go through when the time comes. | まどか | そうだよ、ほむらちゃん、さやかちゃん、マミさんに杏子ちゃん、パパやママやタツヤ、それに仁美ちゃんやクラスのみんな、誰とだって別れなんてしたくない、もしほかにどうしようもない時だったとしても、そんな勇気私にはないよ |
| Homura | Ah... is that so.... | ほむら | っ...！ |
| Homura | Are these your true feelings then? Then I was a fool to have misunderstood it. I should not have approved. I should have used every possible mean to stop you back then. | ほむら | そう、そうだったのね、それがあなたの本当の気持ちなら、わたし、なんてバカな間違えを...やっぱり、認めちゃいけなかったんだ、あの時私はどんな手を使ってでも、あなたを止めなきゃいけなかった |
| Homura | Madoka... | ほむら | まどか |
| Madoka | Eh? | まどか | ん？ |
| Homura | I know.. that you are kind to everyone and not afraid of making choices. When you feel that there is something that only you can do, you would not hesitate even if it means hurting yourself. | ほむら | あなたにはね、どれほど辛いことだとわかっていても、それを選択出來てしまう勇気があるの。あなたが、あなたにしかできないことがあると知った時、あなたは自分でも気付いていないほど、優しすぎて、強すぎる...わたしね、知ってるんだよ |
| Madoka | Homura-chan? | まどか | ほむらちゃん？ |
| Homura | As I thought... you didn't remember it. Once I thought you were just a mirage... a construct made by someone else. How else would I have been able to meet you again like this? But I know, you definitely are the real Madoka. I am really happy, to be able to speak to you again, to be able to feel your gentleness like this once more. Thank you, this is more than enough happiness for me. I need to go now, there are still much to be done. | ほむら | そっか、やっぱりまどかもなにも覚えてないんだね、もしかしたら、あなたは幻かもしれないって、誰が用意した偽物かもしれないって思ってた、でなければこうしてまた会えるなんてどう考えでもおかしいもの、でもわかる、あなたは本当のまどかだわ、こんなふうに一緒に話ができて、もう一度また優しくしてくれて、本当に嬉しいありがとう、それたけで十分にわたしは幸せだった...もういくわ、わたし、まだやり殘したことがあるから |
| Madoka | Homura-chan? | まどか | ほむらちゃん？ |
| Madoka (Voice Over) | I don't understand, Homura-chan. | まどか | どうしちゃったんだろ、ほむらちゃん... |
| Kyubey | Kyu? | キユゥべぇ | きゅう？ |
Kyubey's Experiment
| Timespan 01:12:20 | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Translation | Original Dialogue | ||
| QB | Even though you shouldnt have wanted to know the truth, but you can't help but chase after it. Human curiosity is really illogical. Well, I have long thought that you would have found the answer, Akemi Homura. | キユゥべぇ | 真実なんて知りたくもないはずなのに、それでも追い求めずにはいられないなんて、つくづく人间の好奇心というものは理不尽だね。まあ、君なんらいずれはきっと、答えにたどり着くだろうと思っていたよ、暁美ほむら |
| Homura | Incubator, of course you are the one behind all this. | ほむら | インキュベーター。やっぱり何もかも、あなたの仕业だったのね |
| Kyubey | The question is thus, where exactly is your life and soul located. Well, let me show you the answer. | キユゥべぇ | 残こる疑问は、君の命と魂は、今どこにあるのかだよね。その答えは、仆が教えてあげる |
| Kyubey | This is what is beyond the boundary of this fake Mitakihara, your condition in the real world. | キユゥべぇ | これがこの伪物の见滝原市の外侧、现実世界の君の姿だよ |
| Homura | How!! | ほむら | そんな！？ |
| Kyubey | We created a barrier field surronding your soul gem that prevented all intereference from outside. What will happen when we seal off a soul gem that is darkened to the limit? | キユゥべぇ | 仆たちが作り出した干渉遮断フィールドは君のソウルジェムを包んで、すでに限界まで浊ってきっていたソウルジェムを、外からの影响力が一切及ばない环境に闭じ込めたとき、何が起こるのか？ |
| Homura | An experiment..... | ほむら | 実験… |
| Kyubey | When we isolate it from the power that purifies and ascends magic girls, the power that you called 'laws of cycle' then what will happen to the soul gem? The resulting observation is indeed rather fascinating. An isolated dimension was formed with its own independent law that seeks to guide and capture victims from the outside... This match what you have previously explained, the power of a 'witch'. So long as you are protected by the isolation field, then you would not become a full 'witch'. Like a chick who grew up within its own shell. That is why you formed a labryinth within. It's quite shocking that it is fully capable of replicating and reproducing an entire city. This place we are at right now, is a world existing solely within your own soul gem. | キユゥべぇ | 魔法少女を浄化し、消灭させる力、君たちは「円环の理」と呼んでいる现象から隔离されたとき、ソウルジェムはどうなるのか？确かに兴味深い结果を観察させてもらったよ。独自の法则に支配された闭锁空间の形成と、外部の犠牲者の诱导捕获。これこそまさしく、いつか君が说明してくれた魔女とやらの能力、そのものだよね。遮断フィールドに保护されたソウルジェムがまだ砕けていない以上、君は完全な形で魔女に変化できたわけでもない。卵を割ることができなかった雏は壳の中で成长してしまったようなものだね。だから君は、自らの内侧に结界を作り出すことになった。まさか、町一つを丸ごと模仿して再现できるとは、惊きだ。ここはね、君のソウルジェムの中にある世界なんだよ。 |
| Homura | That is quite a strange logic, if it's isolated from the outside world. Then it should not possible for someone to enter the labyrinth. | ほむら | その理屈は変よ。外部と遮断されているなら、この结界に、谁かが迷い込むことだって、なかったはずでしょ |
| Kyubey | That is due to our adjustment. The isolation field will only stop interference from one direction. Even though it will reject all attempts from the outside, it is still possible to guide a victim in from the inside. Only targets that your witch side unconsciously seeks will enter this world. After such limitation, if the force known as 'law of cycle' seeks to contact Akemi Homura still. Then the only way it will enter is through being captured by the labyrinth as a victim and be forced to materialize in this world. In that case, us Incubator will then finally be able to ascertain the puzzle behind magic girl's disappearance, and observe it directly. In fact, the characters that existed in the real world already joined in strange ways. What is more fascinating, a girl that neither existed in past memory nor future possibility, someone who should have no connection, no cause or effect to this world, joined seemlessly in your world. Well, there was never any need to search, from the begining you have made things easier for us, Akemi Homura. Even before this all started, you have always called the 'law of cycles' by the name of Kaname Madoka. | キユゥべぇ | そこは仆たちが调整しているのさ。フィールドの遮断力はあくまで一方通行だ、外からの干渉も弾くけれど、内侧からの融合で、犠牲者を连れ込むことはできる。魔女としての君が、无意识のうちに求めた标的だけは、この世界に入り込めるんだ。ここまで条件を限定した上で、尚も「円环の理」なる存在が、あくまで暁美ほむらに接触しようとするならば、その时は、君の结界に招き入れられた犠牲者という形でこの世界に具现化するしかない。そうなれば、仆たちインキュベーターはこれまで谜だった魔法少女消灭の原因をようやく特定し、観测することができる。実际、君が作った结界には、现実世界にはすでに存在したキャラクターは奇妙な形で参加している。とりわけ兴味深いのは、过去の记忆にも未来の可能性にも存在しない一人の少女だ。この宇宙と一切の因果関系がない存在なのに、彼女は何の违和感もなく君の世界に纷れ込んでいた。まあ、そもそも最初から探す必要さえなかったんだ。手间を省いてくれたのは、君自身なんだよ、暁美ほむら。君は以前から、「円环の理」のことを「鹿目まどか」という名前で呼んでいたからね |
| Homura | Then she is really.. | ほむら | じゃ、あの子がやっぱり… |
| Kyubey | The only troublesome point was that, it does not appear that Kaname Madoka possess any unique power. It seems that the memory control effect produced by the labryinth is effective even against Madoka. Not only has she forgot the purpose of providing salvation to you, she even forgot her true identity and power. As such we had no way of progression. | キユゥべぇ | 唯一厄介だったのは、鹿目まどかは未知の力を発挥する素振りを全く见せなかったことだ。结界の主である君の记忆操作はまどかに対しても作用してしまったみたいだね。彼女は君を救済するという目的だけでなく、自分自身の力と正体さえ见失っていたようだ。これでは手の出しようがない。 |
| Kyubey | Kaname Madoka forgot her identity as goddess, Akemi Homura forgot her identity as 'witch'. Due to this circumstance we are forced to run around in circle meaninglessly. Well, even though we were intending on waiting for the chick to break its shell, but since now that you have come to the truth, it should make things easier to upset the status quo. Now then Akemi Homura, just seek the help of Madoka, that way she will remember her own identiy, and the reason why she came here. | キユゥべぇ | 鹿目まどかは神であることを忘れ、暁美ほむらは魔女であることを忘れ、おかげで仆らはこんな无意味な堂々巡りに付き合わされることになった。まあ、気长に待つつもりでいたけれど、君は真相にたどり着いたことで、ようやく欣幸を忘れるだろう。さあ暁美ほむら、まどかの助けを求めるといい。それで彼女は思い出す、自分が何者なのか、何のためにここに来たのか |
| Homura | Incubator, what is your goal? | ほむら | インキュベーター、あなたたちの狙いは何？ |
| Kyubey | Of course it's to observe the force,'law of cycle', that is only a theory up till now. | キユゥべぇ | もちろん、今まで仮说にすぎなかった「円环の理」を、この目で见届けることだよ。 |
| Homura | Why? For beings who speak of mere curiosity as illogical, why would you go through the trouble of setting up all this to merely ascertain an existence? No, what you seek is to control Madoka! | ほむら | 何のために？好奇心だって理不尽だって言ってたくせに、まどかの存在をただ确认するために、こんな大げさな段取りまで用意するわけがない。まどかを、支配するつもりね！ |
| Kyubey | I wont deny that was our final goal. Well this is a difficult road in itself. The occurence itself is a puzzle to us completely, an existence that can not be ascertained is truly difficult to handle. | キユゥべぇ | 最终的な目的については否定しないよ。まあ道のりは困难だろう。この现象は仆たちにとって全くの谜だった。存在すら确认できないものは、手の出しようがないからね |
| Homura | It would not be you to give up so easily. | ほむら | それで谛めるあなたたちじゃないわ |
| Kyubey | That is correct, if it can be observed , then it can be interfered with. If It can be interefered with, then it can be controled. One day we will be able to fully strip the power of 'law of cycles'. That way Magic girl will become witches once again, energy collection on a higher level then can be expected. The conversion of energy from hope to despair will be of a level beyond our expectation thus far. There truly exists infinite possibility within magic girls. From the process of you turning into witches, its value will then be shown. | キユゥべぇ | そうだね。観测さえできれば干渉できる。干渉できるなら、制御できる。いずれ仆たちの研究は「円环の理」を完全に克服するだろう。そうなれば、魔法少女も魔女もない、更なるエネルギーの回収が期待できるようになる。希望と绝望の相転移、その感情から変换されるエネルギーの総量は、予想以上のものだったよ。やっぱり魔法少女は无限の可能性を秘めている。君たちは魔女へと変化することで、その存在を全うするべきだ。 |
| Homura | tsk | ほむら | |
| Kyubey | Why are you so angry? This is really a topic that no longer relates to you. The existence known as Akemi Homura is over. At the end of your cruel destiny, you have completed the promise to meet again with the existence that is most important to you. That should be a joyous occasion. | キユゥべぇ | なぜ怒るんだい？君にはもう関わりのない话だ。暁美ほむらの存在は完结した。君は过酷だった运命の果てに、待ち望んでいた存在との再会の约束を果たす。これは幸福のことなんだろう？ |
| Homura | No, I have never sought, such happiness. | ほむら | いいえ、そんな幸福、求めてない |
| Kyubey | Unbelievable, you are letting your own grief increase on purpose... !? What are you thinking, there would not be any time for purification! | キユゥべぇ | そんな…自ら呪いを募らせるなんて、何を考えているんだ？浄化は间に合わなくなるよ！ |
| Homura | Even though you would not know that right now. But I became a magic girl with but one wish, 'to save Madoka'. That is why I will do so again this time. I would rather become a witch than reveal Madokas secret any further. I wont let you incubator have any further contact with her. | ほむら | 今のあなたが知るはずもないけれど、私はね、「まどかを救う」ただそれだけの祈りで魔法少女になったのよ。だから今度も同じことを！まどかの秘密が暴かれるくらいなら、私はこのまま、魔女になってやる！もう二度と、あの子にインキュベーターに触らせない！ |
| Kyubey | You want to deny salvation with such a reasoning? You want to spend an eternity cursing the world? | キユゥべぇ | 君はそんな理由で救済を拒むのかい？このまま、永远の时を、呪いと共に过ごすつもりなのか？ |
| Homura | It's fine, this labyrinth will become my grave. Both Tomoe Mami and Sakura Kyouko are here, I believe in them. | ほむら | 大丈夫。きっとこの结界が私の死に场所になるでしょう。ここには巴マミも佐仓杏子もいる。彼女たちを信じる |
| Kyubey | How can it be! Do you know what It means to die within the isolation field? If you refuse to break the shell and became a witch from within, then you wont be detected by 'law of cycle' and vanish. No one will be able to save you from despair then! And you will once again, lose your chance to reunite with Kaname Madoka. | キユゥべぇ | バカな！この遮断フィールドの内侧で死ぬことは何を意味するのか、分かっているのかい？壳の破ることすら拒んで、卵の中で魔女として完成してしまったら、君は「円环の理」に感知されることすらなく破灭する！もう谁も君の魂を绝望から救えない。君は再び鹿目まどかと巡り会うチャンスを永久に失うんだよ！ |
| Homura | Shut up! | ほむら | だまりなさい! |
| Kyubey | This will undoubtly be the worst end for you.... really, why are human beings so illogical. | キユゥべぇ | 君にとっての最悪の结末だろうに。まったく、どうして人间の思考はこうも理不尽なんだい？ |