Talk:The Rebellion Story/Spoiler
- 1 Magic creating goddesses
- 2 Opinions
- 3 Song Lyrics
- 4 Useful Links
- 5 Fan Reacion
- 6 Translation (spoiler alert)
- 7 First impressions, no sound
- 8 Summary from 4chan
- 9 Symbolism
- 10 Theology speculah
- 11 Edit War
- 12 Nietzsche
- 13 Rebellion!Homura nicknames
- 14 link
- 15 22.214.171.124 entry
Magic creating goddesses
I am starting to think that the Madoka verse is somehow tied to the Karma/Space-Time/Origin compression of Soul-Bond transdimensional network building through hard recurrence method.
- The continuous process of soul recycling amongst parallel dimensions and timelines is a controlled process guided by a general set of laws designed to dillude karmic accumulation and ensure the eventual achievement of perfec happiness, enlightenment or nirvana.
- However, any given set of rules cannot sustain itself in the face of a continuosly changing environment which inevitably stresses it's inherent flaws and loopholes. This in turn determines that at some point the system will find a rupture point that will lead to an accumulation of karmic energy in a single soul which potentially destabilizes the system toward destruction.
- Under normal circumstances, the system flaw will be corrected because most distortions would fall short of the system's flexibily to work under stress and karmic rebounding would come to eliminate the distortion to preserve the system but there are ways to increase karmic accumulation beyond the system's capacity and henceforth triggering a fall.
- Hard recurrence method occurs when a small rupture is repeated over and over under different parallel worlds to the point it begins forming a network of soul-bond energy which grows and potentializes itself beyond the systems security measures and creates enough "fuel" to create a new sustained soul cycle. It basically becomes a flaw so great that a new system needs to be build and the accumulated energy allows for it to happen.
- Once such situation is reached, the rupture point just needs to be connected to the infinite outer dimensional stream of energy that the network will assimilate a portion of it, compress under the soul which caused the rupture and restructure itself into a new working system improved over the previous flaws. Take note that once that process happens, the soul is restructured to infinitely produce the same amount of energy as the one utilized in it's ascention, the person essentially becomes an extention of the infinite stream governing a part of it's power under it's will.
- By all accounts, said process is irreversible as an infinite source of energy cannot be erased, depleted or returned since the affected soul is an extension of the stream and not someone who borrows it's power.
- In the odd case a turnover of system cycles happens to clash with one another, the soul controlling the previous system will be placed into an obervant/consultive role whereas direct command will be given to the bearer of the new one as to prevent previous improvements from being hampered while guaranteeing the continuation of the system improvement cycle.
- If a peaceful coexistence between the previous and the current system becomes impossible, the innevitable points of rupture that arise will guarantee the ascention of a third party that will sanate said points of rupture and assume authority over the previous conflicting souls.
- The cycles will happen as many times as necessary under different systems until a completely sustainable working model can be achieved and all souls find happiness. --Derp101(3) 16:39, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Isn't it better to leave the opinions outside of the actual information page? Such as that part were it says "but what type of love? selfish love" or where it says "Madoka is literally a prisoner of Homura's love"? -Hoshiko 05:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- I concur. This page should be primarily informational. Analysis that Hoshiko allured to are better served under Yuri undertones. - Prima 06:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
I Dream of Dawn
From the end of 3 minute sneak peak.
-- Made Dame Yo --- 歌っているのはFictionJunction ASUKA（=結城アイラ) 作詞はイヌカレー
I remember reading something about how fans would be divided because of the ending, from an interview. does anyone know from which interview is that? and do we have any new articles about it? --Mutopis 12:25, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- the French interview. I believe I have a translation mirrored on the wiki somewhere. - Prima 12:42, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
I kinda feel grim for the future of this franchise -- with change for (forced) continuation's sake and all that(Urobochi might enjoy writing with new ideas to torture audiences nonethless, but it wouldn't be the case had the Director and Producer never came up with those ideas). If the new series or sequel ends so catastrophic such as the universe ends up being destroyed, it would make the series even LESS spectacular(in my opinion anyway), because space/time/universes are being so cheap nowadays 126.96.36.199 12:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC) An Outsider Audience
Translation (spoiler alert)
First impressions, no sound
DAMN! This thing was epic even tough I watched on mute, Homura's insanity cannot be truly conceived until you see her expressions, she got more derranged expressions than Yuno Gasai!
Seriously tough, Homulilly is damn similar to Walpurgis Night, I think they were hinting that somehow she is the core of her nemesis or the title of Walpurgis is passed down to a new witch after the previous one is defeated.
That or Homura became a Walpurgis fascimile because in her mind that is the worst thing in the world. --Derp101(3) 23:54, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
- Good point about Homulilly. I remember that Gen once mentioned in an interview that he imagined Walpurginacht as a Godzilla-like creature in the original script, hence:
"Homura watches with anticipation for the result, but the Walpurgisnacht's tail pops out from the black smoke. A direct hit from its tail sends Homura flying." - The Beginning Story: Episode 11.
- - Prima 00:12, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Summary from 4chan
The Incubators set up an experiment to observe and interfere with the Law of Cycles. The core of their plan was to imprison Homura's soul gem in an isolation field and hold her just on the brink of witching out, so as to lure the Law of Cycles into their trap.
This caused Homura to unknowingly create a labyrinth inside her soul gem. This is the dream world where most of the movie takes place.
Madokami hid her memories and Law of Cycles powers in Sayaka and Nagisa (Bebe) to throw the Incubators off track. When the trio entered Homura's barrier, it changed Madoka back into a living being.
Nobody told Homura about Madokami's plan, so she figured it was up to her alone to save Madoka. So she decides to deliberately force herself to become a witch, so that Mami and Kyouko will kill her, which would dissolve her labyrinth and thus free Madoka.
However, by this point Sayaka and Nagisa have explained Madokami's plan to the other girls. So they fight their way through Homulilly's familiars to give Madoka a chance to save Homura (snap her out of her witch state). This is possible because Homura's real soul gem is still intact in the real world (thanks to the Incubators' isolation field).
Sayaka et al. attack Homura's barrier, exposing the Incubators in the real world. Then Madoka and Homura hit the Incubators with some kind of combination arrow-storm attack, which destroys the isolation field.
Now back in the real world, restored Madokami comes with Sayaka & Nagisa to take Homura off to Yuri Valhalla. However, Homura has other plans. The lily field conversation plus Kyubey's statements about wanting to capture/control Madoka (and maybe also other things depending on how you interpret her character) convinced Homura that she was wrong to give up on her "save Madoka" obsession. So she basically tries to replicate the Incubators' experiment in the real world.
First she deliberately overloads her soul gem with her intense love for Madoka. In the old universe, this probably would have turned her into a witch, but since Madoka's wish does not allow for any witch to actually be born...
Homura changes Madokami's form back into Madoka (basically repeating what had happened in the dream world). She overwrites reality and then engulfs the universe in her labyrinth. Then she manually shatters her soul gem and creates something new: a soul orb. That is what triggers the Akuma transformation.
In Homura's new world: Madoka is alive again. Sayaka and Nagisa are stranded in the physical world. The Incubators are working for Homura.
Saw several new passages that addresses specific theology questions. For those interested or in need for additional references, I have been keeping a list of sold Madoka theology discussions at User:Prima/blog_archive#Religion. You can also find more via . - Prima 02:35, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- Oooh, thanks. --Universalperson 04:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't have a dog in this fight over whether there'll be a sequel or not, but the edit war on this page has become very silly and pointless. Can we act like adults here?
How about instead of edit and reverting that part of the page on daily basis, we discuss about this apparantly controversial point in the talk page first? In the meantime, I suggest we remove the particular paragraph until some kind of consensus is reached.
Whoever that cares about that particular passage - about whether there'll be a sequel/whether it's in the works/etc - please post you views, evidence, and reasoning here so we can discuss it properly. - Prima 04:02, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
- My issue isn't the passage itself, but that the person who keeps adding it displays poor grammar and a mocking tone - in short, they're making me think they're a troll.--Universalperson 13:10, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Nietzsche is such a difficult subject, tried my best on it. if someone wants to make changes to it, go ahead... --Mutopis 12:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
I suggest Akumura, since that also fits with her Moemura nickname. ^.^;; 188.8.131.52 11:36, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
In light of avoiding an edit war, I would like to dispute the entry from 184.108.40.206. It's poorly written, not backed up by the source material, and the edit comments don't make any sense. -- Universalperson 19:41, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
- This is the only thing from the Rebellion Material Book page that I could find that makes any reference to any potential sequels:
- About the ending, on one hand it seems as if the story is starting right there; on the other, with the god and demon being born, it can also seem as if the "myth of creation" type of story has ended.
- SHINBO: Although that doesn't mean that there's another story coming; that ending on its own should just be seen as the conclusion to this story. It does seem as if the story has come to an end after achieving a mysterious kind of balance. Considering the fact that it's the sequel to the TV series, it's really not that far-fetched to say that we planned to end that way from the start.
- -ANTHONY 21:10, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
- This isn't the same as what the anon is saying though. Can I remove it?--Universalperson 19:02, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- I think you and the anon should discuss it here first before any action is taken. I understand what you mean, but I would like to hear his input as well so as to not cause any further edit-warring. -ANTHONY 23:00, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
- This isn't the same as what the anon is saying though. Can I remove it?--Universalperson 19:02, 4 May 2014 (UTC)