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On Homura's grenades: the one she uses to chase Kyouko away isn't very powerful, no. The one she uses on Roberta however obliterates the Witch and all of its familiars in (as far as we know) a single explosion. I'm not sure why exactly the episode 10 remark about it says it's not very powerful.
 
On Homura's grenades: the one she uses to chase Kyouko away isn't very powerful, no. The one she uses on Roberta however obliterates the Witch and all of its familiars in (as far as we know) a single explosion. I'm not sure why exactly the episode 10 remark about it says it's not very powerful.
 
:Copy paste after hours making that, sorry. But actually, while the one used on Kyouko isn't powerful enough to be an M26, the one used on Roberta is ''too powerful'' to be an M26. I think it's an HE version, though no such thing exists. Then again, there isn't a stun version either...<br>And in the end, we never get to see a proper frag M26. Urobuchi strikes again. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 01:58, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 
:Copy paste after hours making that, sorry. But actually, while the one used on Kyouko isn't powerful enough to be an M26, the one used on Roberta is ''too powerful'' to be an M26. I think it's an HE version, though no such thing exists. Then again, there isn't a stun version either...<br>And in the end, we never get to see a proper frag M26. Urobuchi strikes again. --[[User:BrickBreak|BrickBreak]] 01:58, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
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::To be completely fair here, holographic technology like Homura uses in her apartment doesn't exist either and that's not stopping her from having it. Mitakihara seems like an advanced town overall, it could just be that their local military has more potent stuff they're hiding. Holographic tech, ridiculous stun grenades, explosives that could take down a Witch in one hit, etc. The alternative is presuming that Witch barriers don't obey usual laws of reality in regards to weaponry, and this is why Homura can make pipe bombs that can take out Witches in one hit.
  
 
== Criteria for this page ==
 
== Criteria for this page ==

Revision as of 02:32, 1 May 2011

Creating in the same style as the locations page. jbw 18:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Existing work available here for reference. Prima 18:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks i'll use this to get the names down quickly and i'll add new images as i re-watch it on Bluray.
Oh how could I not see this page. I'm your man, leave it to me. BrickBreak 22:16, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
I'll take care of all firearms for now, but should we include other kinds of weaponry? BrickBreak 22:43, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Speaking of "other kinds of weaponry:" is it just me, or did Homura actually use a nuclear reactor against Walpurgis Night in Episode 11? Should that be included on this page? Momoism 00:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
A nuclear reactor? If you're talking about Homura's final attack, that was some sort of stadium or dome lined with explosives, I think. Sure the explosion looked gargantuan, but I'll say it again: stadium lined with explosives. Mushroom clouds and ungodly explosions aren't nuclear exclusive, any large explosion will do it: it's just very rare to see a non-nuclear explosion that strong. The most usual example is a thermobaric weapon. BrickBreak 00:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Considering that Homura was fighting Walpurgis in what was definitely an industrial area, we can be pretty sure that it wasn't a stadium. On watching that scene again, though, it looks almost like Walpurgis fell into something like a giant trap pit that Homura lined with rectangular bombs: there seem to be buildings along its perimeter, and the perspective suggests that the witch is below ground level rather than surrounded by high walls. How could she have set that up, though? Momoism 02:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
The Witch crashed into the ground, creating the very large hole you see. Homura stopped time and placed the explosives. Time was then unstopped and that's why the explosives only activated a few seconds AFTER the Witch crashed into the ground. They're 'proximity mines' by the way. Anything that crosses the sight/lens sets them off. They're called 'Claymore' proximity mines.
Those are absolutely not claymores. The explosives used were definitely of high yield: Claymores are fragment mines, they produce a small explosion, what kills is the high-speed ball bearings inside it. Hence why it's an anti-personal mine, poor against armor, and thus completely inadequate to use against Walpurgis, which apparently can take more fire than the Kremlin.
I can't say for sure, but my best bet is that it's C4. The light matches common C4 detonators, and being a plastic explosive, it's easy to shape the charges into blocks to fill any given area, and attach them to a surface, unlike solid explosives. As for the trigger, I'd be willing to bet it was remotely detonated: not point in placing down all those explosives if some poor idiot walked into the building by accident. And the explosives were definitely pre-placed: there's not enough time sand in the world to place them in the middle of battle.
Momoism, you're right about the industrial area. That should be some sort of large warehouse, then: the roof above surface, but the floor below. BrickBreak 16:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Who says she manually placed them, or even placed them before the fight? Her magic can very clearly deploy large amounts of weapons over an area, so why not in a preset configuration? More importantly, those do look like Claymores, and there ARE brands of Claymore that aren't fragmentation based. That said, for her to not have had placed them in advance, would require her to have known the fighting would make Walpurgis Night crash at that exact location. Sure, it's possible she could have... but that's a far stretch compared to them just being placed on the spot.
It's true Homura's hammer space works in mysterious ways, but all of her uses of involved either retrieving objects from her shield, or having them pop up in close proximity. She was clearly far away from the blast zone, and the explosives were firmly attached to the wall, to the point that they didn't fall when half the building was trashed by Walpurgis' fall.
It's not that much of a far stretch. Homura has fought Walpurgis before several times, and knowing her initial location and her reaction to her attacks, she could predict her movements. Definite proof is the implosion of the towers. Setting up explosives to implode a building takes a great amount of care and time, let alone do so in way that the building collapses in a precise direction. It was a precision strike, ready to use while Walpurgis was stunned by the mortars.
About the Claymores: taking another look at the scene, I see how can they be mixed up by them, the length and height are similar. However, I rechecked various sources: there is no high explosive Claymore, all of them are fragmentation mines. It is only natural, it's a purely anti-personnel weapon. A HEAT version wouldn't be useful against armor: it is simply too small. Anti-tank mines tend to be much larger.
Either way, it also straight-edged: Claymores are curved, to spread the fragments over a 60º angle. They also have prominent edges all around, while the Claymore is round around the felt and right sides. Furthermore, Claymores do not possess that light in the middle: in fact, they possess none, Call Of Duty and other games just love to put lasers spewing out of it on the edges. No such thing exists.
Finally, Homura knows her weapons well. In fact, you can see her evolution from a normal girl to a weapons expert: she dropped her oversized, clumsy Desert Eagle and replaced with with a handy, precise Beretta. She has an M249 she used for heavy fire from distance, and an assault rifle she used for medium range defense while on the move. She clearly know when and how to use weapons. As I said above, even if there was a high-explosive version of a Claymore, it would never have the power of an anti-tank mine or another high-yield explosive. Given that all weaponry she used against Walpurgis is anti-armor (well, not the fuel truck...), it would be both inconsistent and a very bad decision to use anti-personnel weapons for her final attack on Walpurgis. Sorry to say this, but you are essentially calling her stupid by suggesting she used Claymores.
Phew, that took a while. BrickBreak 19:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


I just wanted to say that I think Mami's weapon looks like a muzzle loader, not a breechloader. That would make it a rifled musket, not a rifle. 72.77.96.152 03:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)Carrie

Thank you. Classic firearms are not my speciality :/ BrickBreak 16:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

On Homura's grenades: the one she uses to chase Kyouko away isn't very powerful, no. The one she uses on Roberta however obliterates the Witch and all of its familiars in (as far as we know) a single explosion. I'm not sure why exactly the episode 10 remark about it says it's not very powerful.

Copy paste after hours making that, sorry. But actually, while the one used on Kyouko isn't powerful enough to be an M26, the one used on Roberta is too powerful to be an M26. I think it's an HE version, though no such thing exists. Then again, there isn't a stun version either...
And in the end, we never get to see a proper frag M26. Urobuchi strikes again. --BrickBreak 01:58, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
To be completely fair here, holographic technology like Homura uses in her apartment doesn't exist either and that's not stopping her from having it. Mitakihara seems like an advanced town overall, it could just be that their local military has more potent stuff they're hiding. Holographic tech, ridiculous stun grenades, explosives that could take down a Witch in one hit, etc. The alternative is presuming that Witch barriers don't obey usual laws of reality in regards to weaponry, and this is why Homura can make pipe bombs that can take out Witches in one hit.

Criteria for this page

Since the discussion above pretty much derailed...

What should be considered a weapon and what shouldn't? After I started to consider (and post) weapons other than firearms, I realized there are some that are on the borderline. Namely, Mami's ribbons, and the strings that grow from her bullets: should they be considered weapons? I've put them there, but I am not sure if they're weapons, supporting assets that shouldn't be considered weapons, or mere magic. Need your opinion here.

Also, I've been uploading full screens so far, with 500px size in the page. In the cases of weapons that aren't heavily featured in the scene (pipe bombs in Charlotte's tongue, Mami's twin cannons, etc), it would be useful to upload cropped versions, but I'm not too keen on having pictures of different size/aspect ratio... BrickBreak 19:33, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I think what you're doing right now is perfect. Having there non-traditional weaponry listed will help this page differentiate itself from its imfdb counterpart. In regards to screen captures, my personal opinion is that all screens should be uncropped, since it will give visual context for where the weapon is used. If emphasis is needed, we can always highlight or circle the weapon. - Prima 21:01, 29 April 2011 (UTC)