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Sorry it took me a while to catch-up. I believe the best approach we can take right now is to put the image behind a content warning collapsible while we further discuss about content guidelines and how to deal with this sort of issue going forward. Japan has a very different idea about sensitive content than the West, and me living in Japan is probably way too desensitized to make a decision. The fact we're dealing with Japanese content further complicate the guideline on this grounds. So let's put this behind a CW, and continue this topic in [[Talk:Main_Page]] (preferably keep it strictly about the content, not about calling names) — [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 
Sorry it took me a while to catch-up. I believe the best approach we can take right now is to put the image behind a content warning collapsible while we further discuss about content guidelines and how to deal with this sort of issue going forward. Japan has a very different idea about sensitive content than the West, and me living in Japan is probably way too desensitized to make a decision. The fact we're dealing with Japanese content further complicate the guideline on this grounds. So let's put this behind a CW, and continue this topic in [[Talk:Main_Page]] (preferably keep it strictly about the content, not about calling names) — [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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um, hi. i'm 16 and i've been a madoka fan since i was 10/11. i guess this discussion would be alright to bring this up in, but there also was a drawing on Mel's page that had her in fishnets with her ass hanging out. it really grossed me out honestly. as far as i know it wasn't drawn by her original artist. i think a spoiler option would be helpful so people who hate that kind of stuff don't have to see it [[User:Sweetblueflag|Sweetblueflag]] ([[User talk:Sweetblueflag|talk]]) 02:50, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

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Speculah Pages

Hi! Thank you for your contribution. But may I ask why did you decided to blank Speculah pages? Thanks. -- 0x99 14:39, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Couple of people have been discussing this on /meduka/ (this thread) that the wiki needs a clean up to look like a proper wiki, and speculah isn't exactly part of what's canon, but speculation that doesn't really fit considering all we know now and that it adds nothing but fanon. --The Witch's House 20:17, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

OK, got it. I think the best way if we want to cleanup the Wiki is probably to archive the whole Wiki as read only (e.g. as old.puella-magi.net or something) and start clean, probably importing stuff from the old wiki. What do you think in that case? (I think this discussion better be moved to Main Page?) - 0x99 16:26, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm not too familiar with this process, are we gonna restart the wiki from scratch this way? The Witch's House 03:21, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I think that would be the best way. Old wiki would still be accessible in its current form (although read-only). Restructuring pages would be a lot easier that way, as current wiki is a mix of facts and speculation etc. Cost wise probably better as well as images belongs to old wiki can be dumped into bulk hosting. -- 0x99 06:13, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Agreed. I had at first tried to clean up the wiki so it was more standardized and streamlined across the board but page after page of speculah makes the wiki a proverbial rabbit's warren of pages and it's difficult to clean and keep what's relevant. If we archive this wiki and import/duplicate the main core of the pages to a new wiki that's been made from scratch it would definitely be easier to organize it from the beginning. Also, apologies if I went overboard on the cleanup. --Sondenise 06:08, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Oh no, don't apologize. Your efforts are much appreciated! You're doing the Goddess's work! - Prima 06:22, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Don't apologize. I know what you did of a good intent, and we're perfectly fine with it. :-) -- 0x99 07:14, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Invite to Write for GamePress MagiReco

Hey Sondenise,

We been working together on the puella wiki for many years now, and I felt you're the ideal candidate to ask, so this is a personal invite to [write for the GamePress MagiReco site](https://magiarecord.gamepress.gg/) that I'm getting ready for the NA Launch.

Funny enough, I been involved with the Magica fandom even longer than with GamePress. GamePress really was a side project of mine for some mobile games that kind of took off. You can imagine how happy I was about the MagiReco announcement - finally seeing both halves of my life coming together like that!

Of course GamePress is going to cover MagiReco!

See the Job Listing more details, please consider applying for the MagiReco Content Writer position!

What I have in mind for you is to take care of the lore part of the site. You know your stuff, probably as well as anyone else in the international fandom. Who better to ask to write the lore background of every witch and magical girl, and get paid for it?

So how about it? Prima (talk) 18:04, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

PS: I checked in with User:0x99 before posting this.

Oh wow! This is incredible! I'd be more than happy to apply as soon as I've written those critical thinking prompts. This is a pretty golden opportunity to get paid doing what I already enjoying doing. Thank you for passing this information to me. Sondenise (talk) 06:15, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
You applying puts a big weight off my shoulders. Looking forward to your app! - Prima (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
PPS: the invitation extends to other puella wiki editors as well! I just really want to headhunt Sondenise for obv reasons!
I'd apply for it too if I could, but I know very little about MagiReco and how to play it exactly other than what's been translated and posted here on the wiki; I don't even have the game myself because I couldn't get it working on my phone for some reason (that and IRL priorities affecting me.) Good luck to Sondenise and anyone else applying though! It's damn good opportunity for sure. -The Witch's House (talk) 20:47, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Alright, my application is in. Wish me luck! Sondenise (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Got it ^_^ Processing will start next week! - Prima (talk) 18:56, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Magia Record Character Powers

So, I've noticed that a lot of the characters from Magia Record have been given powers stemming from their wishes (Ren Isuzu and Kako Natsume, for example), despite them not being explained in the main story or, to my knowledge, any personal stories. There are some exceptions, like Nanaka Tokiwa and Meiyui Chun, but I'm clueless about the rest.

I've seen these powers listed on other wikis, typically those focused on characters with superpowers and powers specifically, with the same wording used on this wiki - but without sources, it all feels like unsupported guesswork (which is supported by this wiki using the same language as the others, which makes me think those wikis created headcanons that someone copied and pasted here).

If you can confirm these powers and help provide sources/explanations to their pages, I would greatly appreciate it, because I'm at a complete loss. --Garr9988 (talk) 06:30, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

That information comes from the Magia Archive Volume 1 book I believe. -The Witch's House (talk) 06:40, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

They are also demonstrated in chaper 10. NepetaLeijon27 07:47, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

The powers listed come from the MagiReco Archive Volume 1. It's the same page that has the rest of their biography information, such as height, age, and what school they go to. Someone made a scan of the book and I posted the pages to their respective character. Sondenise (talk) 16:46, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Oh, thank you both very much! It would be nice if anyone could properly translate all the pages into English for reference though, do you know if there's any progress in that front? --Garr9988 (talk) 19:16, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

I know someone either started or finished scanlating the book since I stumbled across a single page. No idea on who or what or where though. Sondenise (talk) 21:18, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

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References to Kenji Miyazawa

The amount of references to Night on the Galactic Railroad and the rest of Kenji's works in Magia Record are kind of making me crazy. I just want to make a separate page of literature references in Magia Record in general by now. --NepetaLeijon27 07:53, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Go for it! I agree, it is a lot of references. I'll add to it as needed. But probably a page for Kenji's works would be better since there are one or two references to works of his besides Galactic Railroad. maybe one page with "Railroad" as one header and then another header that says "other works by kenji"? Sondenise (talk) 16:26, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

I think I've mostly finished what I should do about the Kenji Miyazawa and Magia Record (although I can still add some information). By the way, is it possible to add the same Headnote message as Speculah:Madoka Magica and Faust, "This article is a fan-made analysis. Please do not treat it as official material." , in this page ? The relationship between Magia Record and Kenji Miyazawa is not entirely certain, although some of it is clear. It seems to be the same as the relationship between Madoka Magica and Faust. If it is possible, I believe it should be done, but I don't know how (move the whole text to a new Specular page? ).--Mokyubacky (talk) 22:14, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

We can either add a text to the page that gives a warning at the top that it is speculation or we can move it to a speculah page (we would not have to change the links on the other pages since the redirect will take care of that). Either way I believe you are correct in that it should have a warning tag at the top at this point. Sondenise (talk) 01:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your work.--Mokyubacky (talk) 02:36, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Magia Record Anime vs Game Character Pages

Given that the anime now exists, and all the significant changes to both the plot and characterizations (like Yachiyo not testing Iroha or being so offensively against her coming to Kamihama, or the much smoother relationship between Yachiyo and Momoko), I think it's worth making separate pages for the anime versions of the Magia Record cast, and rename their game pages in line with those of the other canon characters (eg. "Madoka Kaname in Magia Record"). This will allow us to cover the differences in their personalities and the plot in general. --Garr9988 (talk) 03:59, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

It's either that or append each character page to include "in the anime" the same way the character pages for the original quintet are setup. For example, Madoka has a single character page that has a different section for each media format since a lot of her biography info would be redundant. A section for wraith arc, rebellion, the PSP game, etc

I would get the pages going but I am swamped just trying to keep up with the basic anime episode pages and the game itself. But if you feel up to the task then create the pages and I'll help setup the section under charactersSondenise (talk) 07:41, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

On adding the illustrators of the characters

Hey Sondenise, so I've seen that some of the meguca pages don't have their illustrator listed. Would it be revelant to add them? Just asking before I make a mistake. boop Anon 02:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it's been a little hard to keep up with them. If you could add them to the character pages I'd really appreciate it. And don't be scared to make changes. Just go for it! I tend to review all changes to the site and so long as it's a constructive change it's all good. Also, thank you for your help Sondenise (talk) 14:16, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!! boop Anon 02:32, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Magia Record merch page

Hello, I've been thinking of editing Magia Record's merchandise page to be more in line with Madoka's. Part of it is for consistency's sake and another part is because Record's page is already growing rather hard to navigate, with almost everything crammed into the 'merchandise' section with tiny pictures (the name also seems kind of redundant for a merchandise page). I'd also need to move some things to other galleries, such as the poster for the upcoming Alina figure and the illustrations Fujino uploaded to their twitter.

Before I begin the work, I'd like to hear your opinion. Do you think it's a good idea? Technically I'd be changing it from a gallery to a product page, but I think the pictures would actually look better with the latter's format, with bigger images, more spacing and divided into more categories. It'd also be more convenient to anybody who'd want to order the products, obviously.

I also have a question how how to organize the page. Do you think I should add the things that would normally go in the product page too? Magireco has an unusually high amount of products for an spinoff. Off the top of my head, there's the anime blurays, their booklets, the animation notes, two soundtracks, one short audio drama, the magia archives, two mangas, the play DVD... It might be better to give it its own section within a Magireco page. After all, the products page is already so big that the contents table takes up the whole screen. --Arei (talk) 21:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I am a big proponent of consistency but I have not had the time or energy to fix the merchandise page for MagiReco. I'll admit, I'm surprised by how much merchandise they have for being a spin-off mobile game (not counting all the other merch that appeared after the anime aired). I believe it's a great idea to move things around and make them more accessible to people, easier to see the pages and have other categories for other items (such as the blue ray box sets, figures, posters, and other items that were only for promotional events like the ichi curry cafe.
If you'd like to give it it's own section, please by all means. Let me know how I can help you with this (such as moving pages, making redirects, setting up new pages for you to edit) or whatever else I can do to help. If you feel that some of the character pages have too much going on (like I know Felicia's character page is getting a little big long what with all the memorias and items she features in, so we can always put a link that goes to a "extended gallery page" for her the way we did for Iroha to cut the page down and not make it so long). So please feel free to do so as well if you feel it would be beneficial for the pages. I would really appreciate your doing all of this and I'm sure it'll come out great when you're done ^^. Sondenise (talk) 15:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your support! I'm trying to decide if I want to group all lottery prizes together or classify them according to which kind of item they are. On one hand, the Madoka page puts them all under "special", and that does make the page neater by having one table per lottery. On the other hand, it means mixing all kinds of different products under a single non-descriptive title, and the category itself doesn't have a very intuitive name. What do you think?

This is not really related, but since you mentioned moving pages, how about getting rid of the Grief Seed->Glossary redirect? Most people who frequent this wiki already have the basic concepts down, and it hides the page listing all known grief seeds. --Arei (talk) 03:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Done. I deleted the redirect to the Glossary so Grief Seeds should be a good to go. As far as the merchandise goes, maybe it depends on the item? By lottery I'm assuming you mean crane game exclusive items (Banpresto Prizes) and Gachapons. If it's something that you can only get through those means, then they should go under special. It would also be good to put the cafe exclusive merch and other popup shop events under there since there's not too much products for each of those. Unless we start getting a ridiculous number of popup / one-time event stores then maybe we can give them their own page. I know what you mean though, there's T-shirts, figures, clocks and all sorts of other things that could easily go on both pages. But if it's one time items it should go under "Special" and if it's readily available through a store by regular means then it should be under one of the more specific headers on the Merchandise page. It's an idea but you don't have to do it that way if you feel another way would be best (like grouping all the figures on one page and indicating how they're obtained / manufacturer etc). Sondenise (talk) 03:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I think I'll go with the usual format for gacha stuff, thanks for the input. Do you know if surprise boxes go under gachapon? I mean the ones where you order, say, a keychain but until you open it you don't know for which character it is.

I think the café events and such are okay in the events gallery. The thing is that lots of that stuff was never for sale or you can't get it anymore even through resellers (like standees and food), so there's not much to say beyond showing the pictures.

I'm trying to add some Rebellion merch, but I'm not sure how to translate the name. It's called 魔女こっとマスコット. The first word is witch and the last one is mascot, but I'm not sure about what's in the middle. Some sites translate it as cot but I'm pretty sure that's machine-translated. Do you know what it means? --Arei (talk) 03:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I mean, they're not technically Gachapon since they didn't come from a machine that you put quarters into, but then again they're blind boxes. I guess put them under figures and then indicate in the description text that they are randomly boxed (aka blind figures). As for 魔女こっとマスコット, I know that こと makes a verb into a noun. Kind of like when you add "ly" to the end of a verb and make it into an adverb, こと functions in a similar same way. So it would be something like "Witchly Mascot" is how that would be translated. Sondenise (talk) 14:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm having some trouble with the page's formatting. For example, everything between the first Ichiban Kuji lottery's gallery until the UFO catcher plushies isn't showing up, and the table for Ren's figure isn't being processed. Actually, all the tables are a bit wrong; they don't have lines, the images are in the wrong place and I'm not sure how to make the link part at the bottom disappear. I posted what I have in my talk page, could you take a look? (It's still a work in progress so there's still stuff like notes and placeholder images) --Arei (talk) 05:53, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Ok Arei, I managed to fix the coding on the tables page. As far as I can see, the major problem is that you need to make sure to add the Merchandise/Header and then Merchandise/Footer at the beginning and end of each header section. So if you do lottery, add those two tags to the beginning and end. then start a new header section '===xx===' and then add the two tags again. Also, try not to add more than one link. I noticed that you copied the template and would put the |link= with a url in the middle and then you would again have the |link= later in the same subsection. This is what was probably giving your page a headache since it didn't know which one to reference and would default to the first link Also also, even if you don't have a link, make sure to leave a blank \link= in the table or else it will make assumptions and grab the next piece of text as a link even if it's just closing brackets.

If you can keep it to this format like before then it should be good. I'll leave it here for you to copy and use as a template and see if that doesn't make it easier for you. Keep up the great work!! Sondenise (talk) 15:19, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Lottery

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Uwasa in Anime

Although it may be related to the above-mention, I found that there are remarkably little information about the Uwasa in the anime. For example, there is almost no mention about J.A. Caesar and his troupe, who worked with Doroinu to design the Uwasa in the anime. Also, there are screenshots of the anime, but the captions that were changed in the anime seems to be missing as well. I can make up for some of this information (though I'm a poor translator), but I'm struggling with how to add the information due to the volume and layout. Do you have any good ideas ? --Mokyubacky (talk) 19:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


In regards to changed anime scenes, we can add those to the main page for the episode in it's own section. Something like "==Gallery== -> ===Blue-Ray Changes===" just give it another header for the images. For the description of the changes we can put it under observations (you can add another header if you feel it is necessary). There is also a page for Uwasa Anime Screenshots if you feel it would be better to put the images there also.
For additional information on the Uwasa, like J.A. Caesar and others that helped to design them, we can put that under the page for Uwasa. It can be "1. Characteristics 2. Design 3. Major Uwasa 4. Trivia 5. Gallery 6. See Also" Then you can add all the information for it there. If it is trivia about a specific Uwasa, then it can go under the picture similar to the layout for this page Kazumi Magica Witches. Something similar might be good?
I hope the way I describe what I was thinking was not too confusing for you. These are just ideas though and if you think there is a better way then please go ahead and make changes how you think is best (even if they are big changes). If you think it is more information than will fit on one page comfortably then we can always make a new page and link to it. Sondenise (talk) 20:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice! About Uwasa, there are the monsters Uwasa and the magical stories Rumor. Since it is Rumor that has been changed with the anime, it may be inconsistent and inappropriate to add that information to an article about Uwasa. So, for now, I'll try to reflect the information regarding the Rumor changes on the individual anime episode pages. By the way, I personally think it might be preferable to split up the Major Uwasa pages similar to the individual Witch pages. This would allow for additional caption changes for Rumor, and would also allow for explanations that are not about Uwasa, but belong to Rumor, for example Uwasa barrier. Is this possible?--Mokyubacky (talk) 22:54, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I see now what you mean. You were referring to the Rumor stories and not just the individual creatures. It would be better to put those on the individual episode pages since it is specific to the anime. You can put it under trivia or you can make a new section and call it "Changes from the Game" or something else. A new section for differences would be good since there are other changes to the story besides the Rumors and Uwasa.
Splitting up the Uwasa page would be a good idea since the page is getting long and hard to navigate. I will get to it when I have time later in the week. Sondenise (talk) 00:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

As I mentioned on my talk page, thanks for the great work. I've edited the individual page of the Uwasa of the Friendship Ending Staircase as a kind of draft proposals (it's still incomplete). Please correct if there are any problems. I will add more information gradually about the other rumors.--Mokyubacky (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I am glad I was able to help. And I am very thankful for your hard work (don't worry about how long it takes you, it is good work nevertheless). Also, I really liked how you added the underlying rumor to the pages. I hadn't thought of that. Sondenise (talk) 03:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Mobcast game

Hello, some time ago I learnt about a China-exclusive Madoka game. I've been gathering pictures of it to add to galleries, but I'm not sure what I should file it under, the name is pretty generic. I considered making a page for it, but since all the info is in Chinese I'd need to use Google translate, which is less than ideal. There's not that much data either, so it might be a relatively small article. I think the latter problem, at least, could be solved by putting Heart-pounding Tiro Finale and the Madoka app from the Portable page and making an "assorted official games" page. They do look a bit out of place in Portable's page.

PS: I'm Arei, but I lost my password so I made a new account. --AlsoArei (talk) 21:54, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

We can set up a new "Assorted Mobile Games" page to list it and the other mobile games (like law of cyclympics). That would probably be the best option and then list it in the side bar. If you want something put there, you'll have to ask 0x99 to change it since I don't believe I have access to that one. Sondenise (talk) 01:51, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

User confirmation

Is it possible to manually confirm an user? I've already made more than ten edits and have an account older than four days, but it's still not letting me upload pictures.--AlsoArei (talk) 23:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

I've tried in the past with Nuke, but apparently the site is set up so that you automatically gain upload privileges after 7 days. The only one who could grant you upload sooner would be 0x99. Sondenise (talk) 04:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

About Yukika's abillities

Yukika doesn't have teleportation abilities. What happened in her event was due to Rion's wish retconning the timeline and shoving her back in time to before she left her school. It's also not clear that only she can solve the issues her wishes guides her to; it seems to be the case in Otsukimi, but that could be the effects of Rion's wish. After all, in the first timeline Yukika's wish didn't make her discover the witch, so it just stayed alive and killed people. Therefore, it seems more likely that the actual reason she was so well-placed to stop Hotori's death was because of Rion, not herself.--AlsoArei (talk) 17:52, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

File names

Hello, could you rename the card files on the Mobage Witches page? The uploader used fan nicknames for them, and I think it could be confusing, especially since English information on Mobage is so sparse.--AlsoArei (talk) 18:50, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Inappropriate images

No. Please. Minors visit this site and friends of mine who use this site find those images disgusting and distasteful. Please leave them off the site. If people want to find them they can. They are not needed, please understand. DreamerWitches (talk) 17:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

I can understand where you are coming from, but one of those images was Haruka wearing Chisato's unaltered magical girl outfit. Other characters wear swimsuits that are just as revealing (such as Hinano and Kyoko to name a few). Fanart isn't allowed but art from the official character designers is. Other characters have much more revealing outfits officially (such as Himika and Leila with their panty-like costume bits) so its seems to me a bit hypocritical to censor one or the other in that regards. What about Livia whose nipples are clearly visible in her official card art? I beleive that if the images don't directly show any body parts (nipples or genitalia) then it should be allowed. Sondenise (talk) 18:02, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
The art that's being deleted isn't of official game status, it may be from the official character designers but it isn't in game, nor anime, or of any sort of advertising use, its technically fanart even if the character is designed by the artist themselves, but also, most of the characters design are sexual in nature which is very disgusting, but since its in game, we cannot remove those. Also I cannot understand your want for these images, if you want to look at them, save them to your own computer. And with the image of Haruka, she is blushing and sweating in a sexual way with part of her crotch exposed. The pictures of Kokoro are simply disgusting, she is 15. May I remind you she is 15 and her breasts and rear are being highlighted thoroughly in these non canon or official images. And the image of Sudachi is disgusting and non consensual, do you truly believe that kind of thing is alright? I cannot understand your want for such disgusting content, you are supporting pedophilia. DreamerWitches (talk) 18:15, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
By your same argument, ALL the images of Haruka that weren't in the manga should be deleted. ALL images of Kokoro that weren't in the game should be deleted. Since Hinano is 18, does that mean the exact same art and poses would be ok so long as it depicts her even though she's drawn to be short and appear younger than her age? I am not going to start cherry picking art from the official character designers just because someone doesn't necessarily agree with them. That is censoring the artists and I am opposed to infringing on freedom of expression like that. Is it supporting hebephilia if we allow the entire character page for Iroha-Yachiyo just because of the age gap? Do we automatically support incest just because the Amane twins have a duo unit? I'm not going to impose my personal views like that whether or not I agree with it. Fanservice is a part of this game and can be evidenced in several of the characters, not just in their designs but in their transformation videos. Why are the nude silhouettes ok and not art where a character is fully clothed? To censor one and allow the other is hypocritical. I'm sorry if your personal views conflict with the content of the game but I am opposed to personally choosing what art is considered safe by one person and not by another so long as genitalia and nipples aren't shown. If I'm Muslim and I personally believe that no part of a woman's body should be shown in public, does that give me the right to impose my views on others? No, it does not. See this article for a similar viewpoint [1] Sondenise (talk) 19:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


How about we put questionable images inside a table that you have to click to open? That way, those who don't want to see fanservicey pictures can avoid them, while still having as much official artwork as possible available --AlsoArei (talk) 19:12, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

I can agree with this. Im not opposed to putting the art under "spoiler" tags rather than deleting it outright. Haruka's page is not about the character in game but about the character herself, as such every piece of art of her from a relevant source is relevant. manga and game are good source, but so is the designer who created her art for the games and manga. Sondenise (talk) 19:22, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, I'd say the crux of the matter isn't the really the canonicity or not of certain official images, but rather the sexualization of the characters. So I think that rather than sticking a blanket warning on all images that don't come from the original material, we should only include the less wholesome ones and change the warning to refer to that. --AlsoArei (talk) 20:15, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Personally, I can see an exception being made for images that are pretty objectively sexualised (some images of Haruka come to mind), since that sexualization is pretty apparent. A wiki for a non-pornographic media like PM should, as best it can, remain gen-rated, for the sake of decency or any underage people that visit the wiki. Non-sexualised non-canon art from artists and such should still be allowed on the wiki, of course. I think that might be best for all parties, especially since there have now been rather extreme accusations being publically made toward a user here.--Garr9988 (talk) 17:06, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


Sorry it took me a while to catch-up. I believe the best approach we can take right now is to put the image behind a content warning collapsible while we further discuss about content guidelines and how to deal with this sort of issue going forward. Japan has a very different idea about sensitive content than the West, and me living in Japan is probably way too desensitized to make a decision. The fact we're dealing with Japanese content further complicate the guideline on this grounds. So let's put this behind a CW, and continue this topic in Talk:Main_Page (preferably keep it strictly about the content, not about calling names) — 0x99 (talk) 12:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

um, hi. i'm 16 and i've been a madoka fan since i was 10/11. i guess this discussion would be alright to bring this up in, but there also was a drawing on Mel's page that had her in fishnets with her ass hanging out. it really grossed me out honestly. as far as i know it wasn't drawn by her original artist. i think a spoiler option would be helpful so people who hate that kind of stuff don't have to see it Sweetblueflag (talk) 02:50, 16 January 2021 (UTC)