User talk:Sondenise

Why was the page Mami's mammies deleted?

Hi there, I am not sure if this is the correct place to ask this. Sometimes I go to the Mami's mammies to grab some images to use or just to link to it as a joke in the /r/MadokaMagica Discord Server for newer people that don't know it exists. Except this time when I checked I saw that it was deleted by you, was there a specific reason for this? I, and others, thought it was quite a funny meme in the community so it would be a bit sad to see it go from the wiki after all these years.

Greetings,

Mhykol (you can also contact me on Discord: Mhykol Eclipsed#2024 or just in the MadokaMagica Discord server)

Hello there. While I personally find the page to also be amusing and mostly harmless, there was previous talk about deleting the page and recently when it was brought up again there was a 9-4 consensus in favor of deleting the page. Since I'm one of the admins, I was pinged and asked to delete the page. If you're interested in some of this discussion, it can be found on the talk page of the main page at the very bottom. Talk:Main_Page. Sondenise (talk) 15:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Template:Ruby

Memoria cards

I was noticing some cases where a memoria card contains a particular character, but that character's page does not reference the memoria card, so I was thinking of going through to track down all such cases that I can find. However, before I can do that, I have a few questions...

1. Is there some logic to how memoria cards are ordered on a character's page? Is it just alphabetical by name? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:50, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

   I try to sort them by alphabetical order. Sondenise (talk) 01:35, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

2. What's the best way to deal with alternate versions of characters, and dual units?

   Should a memoria featuring swimsuit Iroha be included on Iroha's main page?

   Should a memoria featuring Holy Mami be included on Mami's main page?

   Should a memoria featuring Rumour Tsuruno be featured on Tsuruno's main page?

   Should a memoria featuring Iroha-chan be featured on Iroha's main page?

   Should a memoria featuring Delivery Girl Felicia be featured on Felicia's main page?

   Should a memoria featuring Ultimate Madoka be featured on Madoka's main page?

   Should a memoria featuring doppel Kyouko be featured on Kyouko's main page?

   I imagine this is a complex question... my instinct would suggest the answer be "no" in the case of Iroha-chan or Ultimate Madoka but "yes" in most of the other cases. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:50, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Originally I tended to leave the memoria unique to the alternate units on their respective page if only because some units have so many alts or are featured in so many memoria that it would really increase the page length. That said, maybe we should move their memorias to their own page or put it under a collapsible table to help cut down on the page length. If we do it like that, then I would agree that we should include their alt version memorias on their vanilla unit page with the exception of the PAPA units since those guys are basically their own universe and fairly self-contained. Sondenise (talk) 01:35, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Now that all the pages use the templates, making memoria lists be collapsed by default is simply a matter of editing the classes into Template:Magia Record Memoria Header, if that's desired. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Also, based on this new Category:Magia Record Memoria Cards and comparing the count with the other Magia Record wiki, there seems to be one card entirely missing. I have no way to determine which one it could be, though, as the category is sorted by filename and the filenames are all over the place.

I wonder how we could track it down. If there's a way of tagging or letting me know which ones need to be renamed to their original file names I'm willing to move them all for the sake of uniformity and so we can track down that last memoria and get it up on the site. Sondenise (talk) 01:35, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I can't think of any way to track it down other than very carefully checking every memoria on both sites (or here and in another source, if you have access to one). As for renaming them for uniformity, I don't really have a problem with it, but given that moving an image (sometimes? at least when I tried it) appears to break all the pages that use it even if there's a redirect, I'm not planning to volunteer for that task.

I was contemplating adding subcategories for the number of stars the memoria has. That would probably just be a manual process like most of my other efforts (open every page, go through one by one). I don't know if that would help track down whatever's missing, but maybe? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

...and just now I noticed I misclassified one image, so that means there's actually two missing...? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I did a little digging on said other wiki. The number of 1-3 star memoria listed there is exactly equal to the number listed here, so anything missing is almost certainly 4 star. I also noticed the other Magia Record wiki lists 5 Taiwan-exclusive memoria while this wiki appears to only have 2, unless I missed something... but I'm not sure how that squares with the other wiki having 744 total where we have 742 total. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:28, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm not surprised we're missing some of the Taiwan exclusive memoria since I don't know how to access the files for that server, mostly just the JP one (and NA when that was a thing). If I get a chance to this week, I'll comb through the 4* memos and see if I can track down which one they are. Sondenise (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

One last thing: I found three card images that are duplicates. In particular, this one exists in both JPEG and WEBP format for some reason:

~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:50, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

This is probably a case where more than one person uploaded the image and then since it's different formats they didn't get the warning. I can deleted the extra file, just tag any other ones you want me to delete with the deletion tag.

On another note entirely, since we now have the "akuma" typing for magireco, would it be possible to write the template so we have like a "|type=other" then put a "|displayname=" where it just displays a name for the typing but it's still categorized as "other"? I think this might take care of the one off types like Nagisa, Nagisa alt, Ult. Madoka-senpai and one or two i've forgotten.

Thank you very much for you hard work and lemme know what I can do to help. Sondenise (talk) 01:35, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I already added that awhile ago (probably around when I converted Ultimate Madoka-senpai to use the template). The key to use a different name for display is "|typedisplay=", and the three units you mentioned already do this if you need an example. And if you want to recategorize those three as "other" instead of "magia" / "support" / "ultimate" respectively then I don't really have a problem with that either. (Those three were the only ones I saw when converting all the pages BTW.) ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:46, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it fits, but I went and filed Akuma Homura as an "Ultimate" type. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 22:29, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I was considering a way of making memoria lists easier to work with and tried something experimental with File:Memoria 1390 c.png (see how it's linked from other pages). Does this seem like something worth doing for all the memoria cards? The one downside I can see is that it would make it hard to manually sort memoria lists alphabetically… but the automatic sort works for that (apart from not ignoring a leading "the" or "a", which would require either the string manipulation extension or specifying the sort key manually) so I'm not sure how important that is. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:54, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Since the auto sorter will still sort them alphabetically, then it wont' be too much of a downside even if it can't ignore some of the leading prepositions. Looking at how you also put the memoria info into the file, is it possible to do this the other way around? In other words, is there a way to reference the memoria info that would be saved with the file image and have it load up onto the character's page without having to recopy the code every time for each character it features? That way we'd only have to write it out once on the image file's page and any subsequent changes would then reflect on other pages where it is referenced? I figure that's probably not doable, but it got me thinking so I just had to ask. As to the original question, if you see value in doing it that way then I don't see why not go for it. As always, thank you immeasurably for all of your hard work. Sondenise (talk) 14:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure if you're asking about something that I've already done or not…? What I did was cut-and-paste the memoria info onto the File page, so the code looks sort of like this:

{{Magia Record Memoria Header}}<onlyinclude>{{Magia Record Memoria Row|...info...}}</onlyinclude>{{Magia Record Memoria Footer}}

Then on pages that need to reference that memoria instead of calling {{Magia Record Memoria Row|...info...}}, I call {{File:Memoria Filename.png}}. So, the memoria info is only on the file page and is included from there into whichever pages want to list that memoria.

Is that what you were asking for? If that's the case, it's already done for that one sample memoria. If not… I'm not sure what you're asking for. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk)

Yes! that was exactly what I meant. Sorry, I should have taken a better look at the code but it's finals week so I'm a little crunched for time. But yes, that would work great so we would only have to write the code each time once. Fantastic! Sondenise (talk) 13:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Wrong delete

You just deleted File:S1E7 Ikumi 2.png which wasn't on the delete request list (the request was to delete the redirect since I first uploaded it to the wrong name). Is there an easy undelete button? I can of course re-upload it if there isn't… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 19:41, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Ah, my bad. The deletion request also flagged the image and not just the redirect. There's no way to undelete an image so if you could please re-upload it I'd appreciate it. Sondenise (talk) 22:17, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I sort of thought that might be an issue, which is why I edited Category:Deletion requests to mention it, but it looks like you either missed that or didn't understand what I meant. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 22:45, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

About the metro map

Is that a fan-made map or an official one？Cause in S1E2 there's a ground marking in Shinsē Center Station, the color used are different from the map. Nevertheless, I'd like to know more about why the route goes this way lol. Thank you for answering:)

it's an official map, but the colorings are fan-made in order to distinguish the different metro lines. The same anon who colored the map explains some of the reasons for the layout here:

San's festival

You recently edited File:Memoria 1690 c.png to change the name of the festival, which I had already put in some effort to keep consistent throughout the wiki. However, you only changed one of the two instances of the name on that page, and also missed some other instances (see these search results). Note that in the case of the redirect, it should probably still exist but redirect to the new correct place and also add a new redirect with the correct name.

I'm not sure which of the two names is ultimately correct and simply guess "Hikarizuka" because from what I could tell it's the more common reading of the actual kanji, but if you have reason to believe that "Mitsuzuka" is more correct, it would be nice to mention the source somewhere on San Kagura's page. Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:46, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Usually when there's some question of ambiguity as to translations I tend to go with the other site since they have more dedicated translators on hand who are better at translations than I. If you feel that "Hikarizuka" would be a better translation i.e. a more common reading of the kanji then I'll defer to you and can change it back. Sondenise (talk) 05:19, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Just being a "more common" reading isn't necessarily reason to use it. I wanted it to be consistent and couldn't find any documented evidence that 光 could be read as "mutsu" (though "mitsu" is listed among its possible readings on both sites I checked), so I went with the default reading.

But there might be some reason I'm not aware of that they chose "Mutsuzuka" instead. My knowledge of Japanese is quite minimal, as well, so it's entirely likely that the other site is better at translating than me. Still, above all else I just think we need to pick one and stick to it. If it's going to be "Mutsuzuka", it should be "Mutsuzuka" everywhere.

That said, whichever we choose, I think it's also worthwhile to create redirects using the alternate choice as well. Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:02, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Apparently I was confused when I made that last comment, for "mutsu" never seems to have been suggested (unless there were a few elsewhere that I edited out?) and what you actually changed it to was "mitsu". This is a nanori reading, so it's definitely valid as a reading. Still, I would prefer to see something cited to back it up, such as a voice line, and more importantly, if it's to be changed in one place it should be changed everywhere. Do you know if San mentions the festival in any of her voice lines? I recall checking her side story lines and the lines at the end of Dependence Blue without any luck, but I'm sure there's still many places I've missed… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 06:19, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Aaand then I just started watching arc 2 chapter 5, and Miyuri clearly says "Hikarizuka", not "Mitsuzuka", so I guess that decides it. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:39, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

You seem to be changing them to Mitsuzuka again, but as noted above, I think that's incorrect? Unless the above somehow doesn't prove it. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:42, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I completely forgot about that. I probably need to go back and change them all to Hikarizuka. That was my bad. I was on automatic with updating the memoria. Sondenise (talk) 15:45, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Possible Missing Memoria?

Hello there. I noticed that the personal Memoria for Yachiyo Nanami (Fairy Tale ver.) is missing. I was curious about its absence, and had a little look through here. Maybe this is one of those cards that you guys were missing and trying to look for? I would’ve added it in myself, but I don’t know how and I’m scared I’ll mess things up.

I’ll just leave the picture and its info here to save you the trouble if it is actually one of the missing ones.

(Stats)

Normal Effect (Cooldown: 10 turns) Magia Damage Up [V / 15%] & Doppel Damage Up [IV / 20%] (Self / 1 Turn)

Fully Ascended Effect (Cooldown: 8 turns) Magia Damage Up [VII / 20%] & Doppel Damage Up [VI / 30%] (Self / 1 Turn)

(Japanese Description)

作り慣れないケーキの飾りつけは あれもこれもと欲張って、ちょっぴり派手になっちゃった だけど、こぼれそうなほどに乗せられたデコレーションは きっとあなたを想う私たちの等身大の感謝の気持ち

I hope this helps. Have a good one. TigerEye81 (talk) February 6 2023

Thank you very much! Actually I did have it up, I just forgot to link it to Yachiyo Fairy Tale's page (I had it under Felicia since she's the one holding the cake, but like I said, I totally forgot to add the link to yachiyo as well.) Thanks again for the heads up! Sondenise (talk) 15:01, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Changing Username?

Just a general question, is it possible to change usernames on this wiki? I tried Googling for myself, but since this is just "wiki.(name).net", as opposed to something like FANDOM or Wikipedia specifically, I can't find an answer applicable to this site. --Garr9988 (talk) 02:16, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't know the answer, but it can presumably be found on MediaWiki.org somewhere. You can also see what extensions are installed on this site at Special:Version. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Incorrect deletion

At some point it seems you accidentally deleted File:Oriko MRA24.png instead of the redirect page that was requested for deletion. Is there a way for you to undelete it? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:11, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Delete/move?

I was clearing up duplicates of the Mobage cards by moving them to use a consistent naming format, and I discovered two where the target name already existed but at a lower resolution, although the source has a higher resolution than the vast majority of these card images for some reason I can't fathom. What I was wondering is whether you could move the higher-resolution one to overwrite the lower-resolution one with the MobageNNNN.jpg name? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Here's a weird case. The first image is almost a combination of the second two. However, the framing is different in one of the separated cards. I'm not sure what to do with this one. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:27, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

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Tokime Clan

Does it really make sense to delete the redirects? It means that someone who types "Tokime Clan Tale" into the search box no longer gets sent to the correct page. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:36, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Magia Record Skill Icons

I'm still waiting a finally response on my question from earlier. Also, I seem to be missing some skill icons, so I wondered if you have the rest. I can copy them from the other wiki, but I built everything under the assumption that the icon images were uniformly named with an ID, and the other wiki doesn't have that ID. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Go ahead and skip the doppel icon (since it only serves aesthetic purposes and doesn't tell the player anything about the attack) and keep the ex skill icon please. I sent you a link to Gamepress for the NA screencaps. I'll see if I can get you the rest of the icons since I have access to the games files. Sondenise (talk) 13:38, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

The Fandom wiki (which is where I'm getting the data from) doesn't include the EX skill icon, so should I guess at it or let you or someone else fill them in later? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:17, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Skip it for now and we can always go back and add it in for the handful of characters that use it.Sondenise (talk) 22:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

I would like to make the Magia Record Skills and Status Effects page highlight the current row in yellow (or any other colour of your choice) when you click an icon on another page to navigate there. However, it requires editing Mediawiki:Common.css, which naturally I don't have access to, so could I request that you add the following code there?

.hilite-target:target {
  background-color: #ffa;
}

Feel free to substitute a different colour if you prefer. My above link to the page goes to a specific icon, so it may be useful for previewing the results. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:08, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

No can do, I don't have permissions for that one. I'll email 0x99 about it. Sondenise (talk) 00:56, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm now wondering if I should redo the whole spirit enhancement listing so I can squeeze in the effect name (usually something like Bloom Adept or whatever, but it seems to be arbitrary). Does that seem worthwhile? The only problem is that it might be difficult to do in a way that doesn't break all the current ones… (There's nothing like that in connect or magia or doppel or EX skill, I hope…?) ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Only if you want to, but it doesn't seem worth it to me. Not if it's going to be difficult, and besides which I personally have never cared about the decorative ability names. They just seem like unnecessary flavor text. I mean yeah, if you want to memorize the name given to each random combination of abilities but *shrug*. Doesn't really do much information wise. Sondenise (talk) 03:49, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Some of the ones on PAPA memoria do seem to be intended as humour. I'm not sure if that applies to PAPA units too but I wouldn't be surprised. Guess I'll think about how difficult it'll be and only do it if it's not too difficult. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:05, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Sister Units

I saw that you have your own original character(unofficial but still super cool!), is anyone on this site able to make an OC like that...? Also, did you draw the character, because it's super cute! ReiAyanami (talk) 14:13, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

You can do whatever you want with your personal page (that's why I hardcoded a lot of mine so it wouldn't accidentally get mixed into the real characters). Some editors have their own OC witches on their page even. I designed the character but I commissioned Masugitsune to draw it for me. If you're interested, I have my own drawings on my twitter (sondenise1).Sondenise (talk) 19:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Transliteration

Could I ask why you dont like transliteration? As far as I know it isnt doing anything wrong. Amaterasu (talk) 17:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

An addition (or rather, rewording) to this: Why do you allow transliteration on some pages but not others? Leila Ibuki's page has transliteration, but you dont want it on Livia's? Amaterasu (talk) 18:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

It's not that there's anything wrong, it's just not always an accurate translation given the limitations of the two languages, especially when it comes to names/words that aren't native to Japanese language. For example, stating Ashley's name as "Ashurii Teiraa" isn't correct because her name is English in origin. it's not actually pronounced "ah shoe ree ee tay rah", it's pronounced "ash lee tay ler" which is very different, and the katakana they chose (アシュリー・テイラー) is the closest approximation to it, but not an exact transliteration either. Same for Livia being transliterated to Ribia. That's not how her name is actually pronounced but because of the limits of the "v" sound in Japanese they used the closest approximation which is a "b". Or Melissa de Vignolles having the katakana "ド" (do) when it is clearly spelled "de" because phonetically that is the closest to sounding the way it would be pronounced, not because that's how it's spelled.

Just like how in English 杏子 can be written as: Kyōko, Kyoko, or Kyouko. All three are correct, but the first and second are the most accurate in terms of the way it would be pronounced as it is written in English, while the third is a transliteration that, when read as it is written in English, is pronounced slightly differently. I'm not against transliterations for Japanese native names, but for the foreign ones it doesn't make sense to me.

As for Leila, we had her originally as "Reira" until the NA server came out and then we changed it to "Leila" for the sake of consistency. But because she's Japanese we kept the transliteration because that is how it would have been pronounced otherwise. Technically both are correct here as well for that reason. Sondenise (talk) 18:12, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Love this

Sorry for breaking any sense of formality but the name of this gave me a really good chuckle. Amaterasu (talk) 01:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I love this

I think I love all of these names, actually. Amaterasu (talk) 01:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Nice! I'm glad someone caught on to some of the dumb names I put. Sondenise (talk) 02:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)