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*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4]] (March 15, 2012-April 27, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4]] (March 15, 2012-April 27, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5]] (April 27, 2017–September 19, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6]] (September 20, 2017–September 16, 2023)
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== Wiki cleanup ==
== Main Page cleanup ==
 
There seems to be a discussion in [http://walpurgischan.net/meduka/res/12934.html Meduka thread] about cleaning up the wiki (and little discussion in [[User talk:Sondenise]]). I think we better continue the discussion here. My idea is that if we want to cleanup the wiki and turn it into something more formal (e.g. less fan content and speculah, more confirmed/official info), we better archive this Wiki as read only and start a new. The reason is that the wiki in its current form is a mix of fan content, speculation and official info, and many parts are not exactly well-organized.
 
In case we archive the wiki, this will be what happen:
 
* The current wiki content is frozen as read only, and put to oldwiki.puella-magi.net
* New wiki is setup at wiki.puella-magi.net (MediaWiki? Something else?)
* "Not found" page in a new wiki contain a link to suggest to look at the same article name in oldwiki.puella-magi.net
 
I would love to see an opinion from the community on what would be the best way going forward.
 
Thanks! — [[User:0x99|0x99]] 14:39, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 
: For a reference current wiki size is 14GB because all the images. Backup in Tarsnap contains about 21GB of unique data. — [[User:0x99|0x99]] 14:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 
::As long as certain pages won't be locked and the sidebar can be updated, I'm up for it. In retrospect, it's quite a hassle to edit every single page here and remove all irrelevant speculation and fanart. It'd be best to start anew and put up some new rules on the wiki so we don't have this issue in the future when new Madoka stuff comes out and everyone goes nuts:
 
::* No fan art on character pages or episode pages or etc., we don't need to have people upload individual pieces to show off, people need to search for them on their own. Keep most fanworks to a minimum. The most notable such as Grief Syndrome are permitted to have a page. No joke pages either.
::* No shipping nor speculation, the latter especially whether it be what everyone generally agrees on or not (such as whether Kyubey is evil or not) and/or what people think/predict what will happen in newer works. This should be discussed and kept to /meduka/ or elsewhere. -- [[User:The Witch&#39;s House|The Witch&#39;s House]] 19:13, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 
::: I certainly agree with getting rid of fanarts; they're the source of hotlinking and take up the most space. Most fan artist do not like that we reprinting them without their permissions, etc. As for speculation, I think if it's still in the area of in-series observation and not a crazy theory (e.g. A may have something to do with Y) it should be OK. Page locking have something to do with preventing spam and edit wars (but that was from 2012), so we could definitely relax on that.
 
::: Sidebar is another story though as it's locked by permission in MediaWiki (wiki software) rather than manual lock like other pages. Granting permission to edit sidebar equals to editing all system messages which is a little scary (e.g. you can put up a side-wide persistent banner with the permission). I will see if there is an extension capable of allowing user-edited sidebars without affecting other parts of the wiki. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] 05:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 
: The wiki definitely got cluttered over the years and could use a tune up.  My primary concern is whether we have enough (wo)manpower to trim everything down to size. Over the past year, wiki activity has slowed tremendously, with only occasional bouts of individual, herculean efforts. Going through all 666 pages will take a lot work. Either way, I'm going to miss all the fun stuff. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 05:31, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 
:: I hear you. But at the same time, we will have a lot more content coming up thanks to Magia Record (story, events, characters, etc.)  If we want to those stuff in the wiki, a cleanup is definitely needed.  For the fun stuff I think Walpurgischan can still be used (I plan to keep it running as long as I could) although I understand that it's not the same kind. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] 05:47, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 
::: If we're doing this, I'll help when I could.  Any goodies we can get if we're starting afresh? How about languages? Webm? Do we have to manually migrate over all the media? - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 05:55, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 
:::: Multilangual is definitely one (so we can have en:Pages, ja:Pages, fr:Pages, etc). Setting up wiki-family for supporting multi languages wiki with common assets (photos, etc.) require a bit of work, in which doing with current wiki state is rather difficult (but a lot easier when start anew). WebM/HTML5 video is likely yes because we can upgrade MediaWiki without breaking a lot of stuff (and can set $wgHtml5 to true). Media have to be manually migrated though, but I think uploading files in newer version of MediaWiki is a lot easier than what we have. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] 06:04, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 
::: Is it really safe to assume we should delete stuff because we have a lot more content? Kirara is defunct and Magia Record isn't going to be any different from your average region locked mobile game.[[User:Trowa199|Trowa199]] 06:42, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 
:::: I understand your concern. However, my idea was at we leave the current wiki in read only mode at the different URL and start migrating stuff. The existing content would still be there with nothing deleted, and we would have a clean canvas to start reorganizing stuff. If we're not sure whether the effort is going to be successful, we can even leave the current wiki as-is for the time being (at wiki.puella-magi.net) and start a new wiki at different URL until we're satisfied with it before switchover, e.g.
 
::::* Create new.puella-magi.net as a new wiki (leave wiki.puella-magi.net running as-is)
::::* Start importing stuff from wiki.puella-magi.net to new.puella-magi.net
::::* Once we're OK with the content in the new wiki, perform a switchover:
::::** wiki.puella-magi.net -> old.puella-magi.net -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] 07:13, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
::::** new.puella-magi.net -> wiki.puella-magi.net
::::* Make sure not found pages in new wiki have a link to old wiki.
 
:::: This way works too, but may be a little bit confusing on switchover. But either way: no content will be deleted. I plan to keep everything up as long as I could. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] 07:13, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


:: I have the time (mostly late night or early afternoon) to help migrate to a new wiki. I am down for the effort. Also, I was considering starting the content for Magia Record but I'll hold off for now until we start a new wiki from scratch and then add that particular batch of content. Here's my couple of cents:--[[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] 06:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
I've taken the liberty to clean up the Main Page styling a little. It's using the same layout as before, but with more consistent spacing/etc. so it looks a lot less cluttered. It's also now and a lot less broken when viewing on a mobile phone. Adding/removing columns should now be a lot less insane. I'm unsure what to do with the News/Wishlist links, though, since they haven't been updated for quite a long time. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)


:::* No speculation unless it's something with really strong evidence (and that kind of discussion can be done on walpurgischan.net rather than clutter up a wiki with things that aren't canon). "In-series observation and not a crazy theory (e.g. A may have something to do with Y) it should be OK." Completely agree with this.
: The News page could probably be updated by trawling the Main Page edit history, and maybe adding other bits if you can think of them. With some work it could even be arranged so that it's the ''source'' of the news on the main page (wrapping the lines that should be on the main page in <nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki> tags). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
:::* No fanart. It seems like a big waste of space, bandwith, and hotlinking as mentioned above. Also, much of it ends up being pretty irrelevant or non canon (yuri shipping or theoretical magical girl forms of witches)
:::* Languages would be fun to have as well. Especially since the show has a dub in several languages (and I speak spanish :3) ---[[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] 06:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


::Ah I see what you mean 0x99. Main reason why I asked about the sidebar is to reorganize it and be able to rename/add new works as they come such as Magica Record to keep everything up-to-date. I'm willing to help with the new wiki as much as I can. Should we divide up the work load like userA adds News related pages/media, userB adds stuff related to Tart, etc., etc.? -- [[User:The Witch&#39;s House|The Witch&#39;s House]] 07:08, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
:: Good idea. I'll find some time to do it. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)


:::Also, I know we've gone over the fact that fan art needs to go, but should we limit that in user pages too? (since I do have my own fan made content there...) --[[User:The Witch&#39;s House|The Witch&#39;s House]] 07:23, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
:: I did this, seems to work great. Now to populate 2015 to 2021... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


:::I'm not against it as long as it doesn't go crazy overboard (like 20+ images) [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] 07:41, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
::: That's slightly different from my thought, but it's probably easier to work with this way anyway. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


:::I'm personally OK with posting them in user pages, as long as you have the permission to use them. (I know few fan artist who don't like us because all the reprinting without permission, resolving that would be a good thing too.) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] 08:19, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
== Main visual ==


:::::I meant stuff you made yourself (in my case, my fan witch on my page). I clearly mark them as fanwork so they don't clash of course. --[[User:The Witch&#39;s House|The Witch&#39;s House]] 08:58, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Would it be worthwhile to add the Scene0 main visual to the main page, too? I think a tabber would work for the desktop view, and on mobile there should be enough space to add it below Rising's. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
: I've made some adjustments, what do you think? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:: I'm not sure… I've been so used to seeing the name beside the key visual and now it's moved below it… I can't find any real complaints though… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
::: OK, let's try again. What about this one? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:::: Oooh, I like it! Thanks [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


::::::In that case I think it should be fine! -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] 04:51, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
==Not sure where to put this==


:::::Did the whole yuri page had to be deleted? --[[User:Mutopis|Mutopis]] 03:04, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
So... I'm not sure why I'm not an autoconfirmed user, but I don't know where to put this question? -- [[User talk:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]]
:I think you may need to wait few more hours. Autoconfirm is set to 3 edits and 7 days from the date of registration. From what I see, you should get autoconfirmed today (Nov 7) at 20:18:23 (UTC) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you! I didn't realize it was so exact. :) [[User:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]] ([[User talk:ReiAyanami|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Sorry for this, we used to have a lot of spam back in the day (who made a few edits to get autoconfirmed then proceeded on creating an SEO spam page). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 21:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


::::::That was me. My apologies. I was trying to scrub off the speculation and mostly unfounded pages from the wiki before we all decided to get a proper discussion going. I think 0x99 said that the wiki is archived periodically so we should be able to revive the page for the purposes of this soon-to-be archived wiki and then we can better decide what analysis/speculation pages would be best to transfer to the new wiki (for example, the deciphering the runes / notes pages would probably be good to have, but a page of debunked theories not so much) [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] 03:25, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
== Future of Fanworks ==


::::::I've rollback the page to the version before blanking. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] 04:51, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
'''(This was originally on my talk page but I have moved it here as it concerns the whole wiki.)''' While not an official Wiki, this is a Wiki for official content. Outside of personal OC's on the user's pages, is there a reason to include fanworks on the wiki? Fan roleplays have long since died, and many games are likely dead due to flash player shutting down. Is there a reason to have them? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 17:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
:I think it's best to keep what we have now as an archive rather than remove it since they were a part of the fanbase during the early days. We keep [[Poorfag]]'s page up for a reason since it was a meme thing and it doesn't interfere with official pages much like OCs on our user pages. As long as they're kept separate from the official stuff, I think it's ok. I believe you can still play the games even though flash player shut down, I remember there being a big project to archive and make old flash games playable when the shut down was initially announced. -[[User:The Witch&#39;s House|The Witch&#39;s House]] ([[User talk:The Witch&#39;s House|talk]]) 02:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
::I'm also very much agree with this. For a more early meme and such we could make a banner that this was part of the community in the early days and are no longer updated. For ongoing content such as [[Fanworks]] I think the list of games/media/crossover are still worth keeping (and possibly updating). --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)


::I think dividing the workload for the transfer to a new wiki might work best. It would help to prevent us from tripping over each other in the beginning and then after the bulk of that is transferred we can then assign people/pairs/teams for the new content pages that will need to be created on the (new) wiki. 03:25, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
== GunsGirlZ Crossover ==


:::There's also the template tags stuff that need to be migrated. I can work on that although we need to list what templates are still needed and where (e.g. [[Template:Runes]], [[Template:Box]]). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] 04:57, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
So I have been just looking around the wiki, and I stumbled across the crossover page! I read it, expecting it to have the GGZ collab in it... but it wasn't there? I was wondering if it just hadn't been added yet, or if theres a reason that it hasn't been! The GGZ collab is probably my favorite PMMM collab, with the battle cats coming in second :P
[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]]) 17:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)♥
:Honestly it just hasnt been updated. you're more than welcome to add the info if you'd like (I dont play it unfortunately but it looked cute!)[[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 21:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)


== Guidelines ==
::I can't see anything about the crossover on the page you linked to. You should link not to the other wiki's main page but to a page actually talking about the crossover. Otherwise there's no point in adding the link at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


Before doing anything, we should figure out exactly what guidelines the new wiki will follow first.  [[User:Sondenise]] suggested trimming away fanart, fanwork, and speculation.  If we're going with that, we should nail down exactly what fit into those categories.  Should [[Science]] and [[Architecture]] be trimmed because it's fanwork?  Should [[Population Dynamics]] be trimmed because it's speculative?  We have a great selection in [[Articles]] that are all various degrees of fanwork, will they have a place in the new "formal" wiki? 


At the minimum, I feel well written and edited analysis has a place in this wiki. Pages like [[Math]] are among the most popular pages on this wiki, what got it the respect worldwide and in Japan.  It'll be a terrible mistake to remove them all in a rush to act formal.  This wiki was an authoritative source, not because it was official or up-tight, but because it was comprehensive and in-depth.  Let's avoid throwing the baby out with the bath water here. - [[User:Prima|Prima]] 03:45, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Oh, sorry about that. The link broke... Sadly since the computer I use is limited by my school I can't fix the link,, I'm sorry haha
[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]])♥


:Personally, I love the math stuff and analytic stuff in the wiki and think they should still be fine. Population dynamics is an amazing analysis work, an even the runes decryption actually are speculative (because official never actually give us an answer for that). I think the primary concern should be where to draw a line.  -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] 04:51, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
:Looks like someone else fixed it for you, so it's okay. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
:Some of the pages need cleaning up in terms or reorganization or cosmetic editing for ease of reading but overall I think the pages listed in Articles should stay. They're important contributions and much of it is strongly relevant to the series overall. I think the stuff that primarily needs to go would be more of the Category:Speculah stuff than anything. [[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] 07:55, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 17:33, 26 March 2024

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Main Page cleanup

I've taken the liberty to clean up the Main Page styling a little. It's using the same layout as before, but with more consistent spacing/etc. so it looks a lot less cluttered. It's also now and a lot less broken when viewing on a mobile phone. Adding/removing columns should now be a lot less insane. I'm unsure what to do with the News/Wishlist links, though, since they haven't been updated for quite a long time. -- 0x99 (talk) 10:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The News page could probably be updated by trawling the Main Page edit history, and maybe adding other bits if you can think of them. With some work it could even be arranged so that it's the source of the news on the main page (wrapping the lines that should be on the main page in <onlyinclude> tags). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Good idea. I'll find some time to do it. -- 0x99 (talk) 13:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
I did this, seems to work great. Now to populate 2015 to 2021... -- 0x99 (talk) 12:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
That's slightly different from my thought, but it's probably easier to work with this way anyway. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Main visual

Would it be worthwhile to add the Scene0 main visual to the main page, too? I think a tabber would work for the desktop view, and on mobile there should be enough space to add it below Rising's. EPF (talk) 13:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

I've made some adjustments, what do you think? -- 0x99 (talk) 13:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure… I've been so used to seeing the name beside the key visual and now it's moved below it… I can't find any real complaints though… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
OK, let's try again. What about this one? -- 0x99 (talk) 15:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Oooh, I like it! Thanks EPF (talk) 15:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Not sure where to put this

So... I'm not sure why I'm not an autoconfirmed user, but I don't know where to put this question? -- ReiAyanami

I think you may need to wait few more hours. Autoconfirm is set to 3 edits and 7 days from the date of registration. From what I see, you should get autoconfirmed today (Nov 7) at 20:18:23 (UTC) -- 0x99 (talk) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Alright, thank you! I didn't realize it was so exact. :) ReiAyanami (talk) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for this, we used to have a lot of spam back in the day (who made a few edits to get autoconfirmed then proceeded on creating an SEO spam page). -- 0x99 (talk) 21:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Future of Fanworks

(This was originally on my talk page but I have moved it here as it concerns the whole wiki.) While not an official Wiki, this is a Wiki for official content. Outside of personal OC's on the user's pages, is there a reason to include fanworks on the wiki? Fan roleplays have long since died, and many games are likely dead due to flash player shutting down. Is there a reason to have them? Amaterasu (talk) 17:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I think it's best to keep what we have now as an archive rather than remove it since they were a part of the fanbase during the early days. We keep Poorfag's page up for a reason since it was a meme thing and it doesn't interfere with official pages much like OCs on our user pages. As long as they're kept separate from the official stuff, I think it's ok. I believe you can still play the games even though flash player shut down, I remember there being a big project to archive and make old flash games playable when the shut down was initially announced. -The Witch's House (talk) 02:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm also very much agree with this. For a more early meme and such we could make a banner that this was part of the community in the early days and are no longer updated. For ongoing content such as Fanworks I think the list of games/media/crossover are still worth keeping (and possibly updating). --- 0x99 (talk) 06:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

GunsGirlZ Crossover

So I have been just looking around the wiki, and I stumbled across the crossover page! I read it, expecting it to have the GGZ collab in it... but it wasn't there? I was wondering if it just hadn't been added yet, or if theres a reason that it hasn't been! The GGZ collab is probably my favorite PMMM collab, with the battle cats coming in second :P

madolily .+* (talk) 17:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)♥

Honestly it just hasnt been updated. you're more than welcome to add the info if you'd like (I dont play it unfortunately but it looked cute!)Sondenise (talk) 21:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I can't see anything about the crossover on the page you linked to. You should link not to the other wiki's main page but to a page actually talking about the crossover. Otherwise there's no point in adding the link at all. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


Oh, sorry about that. The link broke... Sadly since the computer I use is limited by my school I can't fix the link,, I'm sorry haha madolily .+* (talk)♥

Looks like someone else fixed it for you, so it's okay. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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