Talk:Witch from the dream in episode one

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Now of course it's almost a fruitless effort to disprove a speculation like this, but here's why I don't think Sayaka is the ultimate big bad:

Everyone sees the similarities between Sayaka's Puella Magi outfit and the witch in the ep1 opening, but I think they're just close similarities, not exact matches. There's just as many things that don't match as there are things that match.

The diagonal cut on the skirt *is* there in both, but...

   * The witch has a full bell skirt, while Sayaka has a short and form fitting skirt that is pleated like a school uniform.
   * The witch has a full petticoat under her skirt with a ruffly edge, Sayaka has a white trim at the edge of her skirt which matches the pleats on her skirt.

There is a loose cloth hanging from the top of both costumes, but...

   * The witch's is more of a medieval headscarf, while Sayaka's is a cape hanging from her shoulders.
   * The image claims that both cloths are white, but you can clearly see the runes through the witch's, which means it's a sheer translucent material, not a white cape like Sayaka's.

There is a claim that the witch's skirt is blue, but... with the weird end of the world lighting Homura's tights also look blue when we know they are purple, the building looks blue when we know that the concrete really should be grey... there's really only so man ways to draw shades of dark and most of them are cool and bluish.

In fact there are similarities to Mami's design, not just to Sayaka's. The witch's hairdoo has twin curly ends... like Mami's. The Witch's dress has a tight cinched waist... like Mami's. The witch's sleeves taper outward to become open bells (not like Sayaka's form fitting sleeves with separate cuffs)... like Mami's.

If you think about it, it would be hard for any witch design that was done by the same illustrator to not share some of these costume details because there's only so may ways to make a frilly dress.

Maybe Sayaka does meet a bad end. Maybe she does become the ultimate evil. But I'm not convinced that it's foreshadowed in these images anymore...

-the witch has similarites to all mahou shoujo: maimi´s and sayakas have already been mentioned. the gear is related to homura. the skirt resembles kyouko´s skirt

Sayaka = witch of episode 2----

on homuras documents you can see the picture of the witch with the words ein Narr under it. Ein Narr means A Fool and that´s how Sayaka describes herself

Walpurgis Night

What do we do, now that we know for sure this is Walpurgis Night? Do we keep this page as-is for archieving purpose, or do we modify it to reflect the newest changes? If we choose to update it:

  • Shouldn't we rename it "Walpurgis Night"?
  • What do we do about Speculah:Walpurgis Night? Do we keep both pages, one referring to the character in the anime, and the other being a general article (as it is now)? Or do we try to somehow merge the two?
  • If we choose to keep two pages for WPN (see above), what do we link where? In particular, what do we do on the "characters" page? Keep the link to here, and add a note on top of this page saying "for more information about Walpurgis Night, please refer to Speculah:Walpurgis Night"?

--Homerun-chan 22:56, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Merge both under Walpurgis Night. Most if not all speculah has been proven or disproven by this point. Maybe redirect this page to Walpurgis Night too. Mic2070 23:13, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Although most of the current page is useless, I foresee a lot more infodump about the witch in the following episodes. Hence, I'm not sure merging the page about the witch and the page about the event would be a really good idea. Maybe I should just remove the link to this page from the Characters page for now (there already is a link for Walpurgis Night), and create a page about the witch when more is known about her? --Homerun-chan 23:35, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Come to think of it, the category this page would best fit would be "Speculah", wouldn't it? After all, as you (Mic2070) said, most of this page is speculah, and image dump. So maybe we should move it to "Speculah:Witch from the dream in episode one" and link it from Theories (and tag it as debunked, obviously)? --Homerun-chan 15:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Reviving this now that everything's over. I think it's time to create Walpurgisnacht, no? BrickBreak 16:06, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
I'd say let's wait for her card to pop up on the official website before (if it ever appears). Then let's create her page, and link it to Speculah:Walpurgis Night (put a link on "Usage of the term in canon" there, and "speculations" on WPN's page for instance). Any objections? --Homerun-chan 16:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


Shouldn't we remove the picture of Sakura and this witch, as Sakura turned into Oktavia and was destroyed, so cannot be the Walpurgisnacht witch? Elsa Maria 15:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I take it you meant "Sayaka", not "Sakura"... I'd leave the pic there, for the same reason we leave debunked theories but tag them as such. --Homerun-chan 15:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Homura as the Walpurgis Night Witch

Someone has probably called this before but I am of the opinion that the witch from the first episode will turn out to be Homura's Witch form. Homura has been the only one so far who can take on any witch effortlessly, so it makes sense that the only one she couldn't defeat alone will be her own awakened form. Her room's gear motif and the witch's silhouette of having gears in the dress also matches, and the time traveling means its not possible for a paradox like this to exist. 20:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)