User talk:0x99/Debunked

The layout is nice but the wording is strange. (For example, 'It is archived here but never take it as a fact.' sounds kinda weird IMO... Maybe something like 'It is archived here for the sake of completeness, but please don't take it as facts' would be better?) --Homerun-chan 23:48, 24 February 2011 (UCT)

I've changed it to what you've suggested, but I feel it's a bit too long. Any ideas? --0x99 23:54, 24 February 2011 (UCT)

Now that I've looked at it once again, it seems okay to me if we use it as a header (like the spoiler/speculah alerts). I doesn't seem too long if we ue it that way. Then, I'd add a short notice next to the theory title on the Articles page, something like this:

Wonderful Theory (Proven wrong in episode x)

And of course, something similar but less scary for confirmed theories. --Homerun-chan 22:03, 25 February 2011 (UCT)

I suggest this style:

✔ Interesting Fact (Proven right in episode 1)

✖ Wonderful Theory (Proven wrong in episode 9)

☐ Mind-blowing Fact

What do you think? --0x99 18:19, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Looks nice to me. What do we do for the theories that have not been confirmed/debunked yet? Keep the standard layout (i.e. no icon)? Add a standard bullet or something? --Homerun-chan 19:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, can't find a suitable icon. How about ☐ icon? --0x99 03:27, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Perfect. Just tell me when you've found a way to easily tag theories as confirmed/unconfirmed/debunked and I'll help sort them. --Homerun-chan 16:39, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Created as Template:Theory inline. It works in similar way with Template:Articles header. --0x99 22:28, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

General Speculah Layout

I think we should remove the automatic speculah alert on the speculah pages. Instead, use one of those:

• The standard speculah alert for theories that have not been proven right nor wrong up till now. Maybe change the message to emphasize that.
• This template (Debunked) for the theories that have been proven wrong
• Something along the lines of this for the theories that have been proven right.

Plus, I think we should somehow increase the visibility of the theory status. Either mark the theories proven right/wrong in the list like I proposed above, or even make special lists/subpages for theories proven right/wrong, the Articles page only having yet-to-evaluate theories as well as general articles (ED analysis, intertextuality, etc.)

Your opinion? --Homerun-chan 17:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we should remove the standard speculah alert. Maybe I can find a way to change its looks when the confirmed/debunked template is present on the page, and we can just use that. What do you think if we merge both Confirmed and Debunked template together, possibly as Template:Theory or something. (Usage: {{Theory|status=confirmed|episode=8}}, for example.) --0x99 18:14, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I meant: display a confirmed/infirmed message if relevant, or the standard alert otherwise. I'm okay with the merged template too, there's no need to have two separate templates for these messages. What do you think about gathering all the proven theories into a subpage? As I see it, we'd then have:

• The "articles" page with everything we've come up with so far, be it confirmed, debunked, or neither.
• The "facts" page with the observations and fun facts
• A "confirmed theories" page or something, which only links to the confirmed articles. This page would be linked from both pages mentionned above (as well as a front page menu subentry, maybe)

This way, it should be easier for a newcomer to find actual articles about the show, without having them mixed with random unproven speculah. --Homerun-chan 19:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

We can use category to categorize confirmed/debunked theories and keep all articles listed in the Articles page. For example, Category:Confirmed theories, Category:Unconfirmed theories and Category:Debunked theories. I believe we can also force adding categories from a template, so in the end we only need to tag them once. --0x99 22:37, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't it work the other way around? (i.e. automatically add a header for certain categories). Anyway as said above, the current version looks good to me, so just tell me when it's working and I'll help sort the theories. Oh, and now that I think about it, maybe we should change the color for the "unconfirmed" box too, to differenciate it from the "debunked" box (both are red right now, even if it's not the same sort of red). Maybe make it look like the spoiler-alert, or just use another set of colors? --Homerun-chan 16:39, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I've found a way to change header according to certain categories, but it's not possible to add a note about which episode it was proven that way. I'm thinking about changing theory template to use for episode note only, e.g. {{Theory|episode=8|description=Kyubey stands for Incubator}} (of course, theory template will also read page's category and change its looks accordingly.) Are you OK with that? --0x99 21:31, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Okay, done. You may want to edit its wordings in Template:Articles header. --0x99 22:09, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Perfect, I took the liberty to reword the confirmed theory message a bit. So, just to make sure I understood you, your idea above is to use a template only when we want to add information in the header box? (episode the theory was proven right/wrong, explanations, etc).
Now comes to longest part: reading and sorting all the theories ... --Homerun-chan 22:19, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Yup. --0x99 22:20, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Fan-made Analyses

Would it be possible to add a category for fan-made analysis? (Like the page about Walpurgis Night, the ED analysis, Faust, etc). Basically, it would be the same as the unconfirmed/unclassified theories (in terms of layout), except that the message displayed would be "This article is fan-made. Please do not take it as official material". The message displayed at the time being isn't very consistent (there's no way trivia about Walpurgis Night would be debunked ever for instance). --Homerun-chan 17:50, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure, what category name do you want it to be? (Feel free to tag the page with that category for the time being, I'll do the layout later. Got caught up with work lately.) --0x99 19:09, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Done, I added them in Category:Fanmade analysis, and edited the template to fit the change. Kept the default formatting for the message (gray box and black text). I'll also think of a way to refactor the Articles page a bit, it's starting to get messy IMO (all speculah are mixed together, regardless of their "inaneness" and "confirmed status"). --Homerun-chan 19:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)