Talk:Reira Ibuki

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the text for the memorias that have been released in NA already have the NA text translation Sondenise (talk) 23:01, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Name?

This isn't new, but now both Exedra and the new Record localization (from the porting to Exedra system) both call her Reira, the new localization is also what we're using for the unit pages, so basically everywhere she is called Reira. So should this page's name be changed? I know the new localization is weird ("Waverider" instead of Surfer, "Holiday" instead of Christmas) but Exedra has pretty normal localization and it still uses Reira. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 22:42, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

I might be in the minority, but "Reira" just strikes me as something that can't possibly be correct, just as "Riz" can't possibly be correct. (Admittedly, it's actually nowhere near as bad as "Riz".) So I'd prefer to leave it as is. If there's a official statement in Japanese stating that the Exedra localization is correct, then I would back down, but until and unless that happens, my opinion is that we should stick with the original, more sensible localization. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 14:40, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

i've semi-quit editing the wiki, but to put in my own two cents since i'm involved in magireco/pmmm translation and have had this conversation many, many times--

"leila" is not inherently more correct than "reira" is; it's entirely up to personal opinion. if we want to be pedantic, it would technically only be "leila" if spelled with katakana, which her name is not; it's in hiragana. but since both are simply approximations using the latin alphabet, neither is more correct or "more sensible" than the other. also, "riz" is indeed correct according to masugitsune, who is tart magica's creator; he took issue with her name being rendered "liz" in the north american magia record server. since exedra is more recent, i would say we use "reira" in the title and bulk of the page to avoid confusion, but it's also very easy to say "reira ibuki, also known as leila ibuki" at the introduction of the article. Onitora (talk) 21:31, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

I can see your argument for Reira over Leila. It somewhat makes sense, though I don't really agree with it. For Liz vs Riz though, there's really no argument that the latter is correct even if the creator says so. From my perspective, that means the creator is just wrong. It is completely inconceivable that someone from Italy would shorten "Elizabetta" (or similar) to "Riz". That would just never happen. The only logical way to get "Riz" from her full name is to be a native speaker of a language that doesn't distinguish L and R – for example, Japanese. It's totally believable that a Japanese speaker would shorten "Elizabetta" to "Riz". But Liz is not a Japanese speaker. Thus, "Liz" is the only logically correct 'answer. And if Masugitsune is truly taking issue with this, I really don't care. A creator's word only holds the highest authority for me when all else is (mostly) equal.

But I'm getting a bit off-topic here. This is about Leila vs Reira, not Liz vs Riz. I agree with your final sentence – whatever is ultimately settled on as the "official title", both spellings need to be mentioned.

Though I strongly prefer Leila, that's based on the fact that it is a common, well-established Western name, whereas (from what I can tell), Reira is not a common, well-established Japanese name. If the latter assumption is actually incorrect (I didn't research it that deeply), then that would be a decent argument for preferring the Reira spelling. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:26, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

Here's another data point that suggests "Reira" may be an error: it's inconsistently localized in Seika's heartphial story. Although Leila is consistently referred to as "Reira" in this story, the inconsistency crops up in the alias made from fusing Seika's and Leila's names, which is localized to "Seila", not "Seira". "Reira" and "Seila" can't both be correct. One of them has to be wrong. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:08, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

It's just a nickname. Calm down. EPF (talk) 15:25, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

If you don't have anything useful to say, why say anything at all? It's a nickname, yes. It's a nickname that does not follow from the professed real name. That's an inconsistency. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:37, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Oh my goddddddddd nicknames don't have to follow real names 1:1 at allllll. Why the hell are we having those conversations for the millionth time already. Do you also think it's secretly an inconsistency that Emiri goes by Emily even though her legal name is Emiri? Of course not, that's just how nicknames work sometimes. Sometimes people go by the standard romanization recommended by the government sometimes they don't. Add in that Reira is a fictional character and now we have various localizers' opinions on how it should be done added to the mix. Both Reira and Leila have been used in official translations. There's no conspiracy there's no mistake just different translators doing their job differently. Leila is a linguistically nonstandard romanization that they stopped using, that's it EPF (talk) 15:47, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

"nicknames don't have to follow real names" - No. That's not how it works. Nicknames are derived from real names in some way. The derivation is not always obvious, admittedly, and there are some real nicknames where I'm not even sure what the derivation is (how do you get Bill from William, for example?). Furthermore, this derivation is usually informed by the native language of the person coining the nickname, or occasionally by other languages they speak. So suddenly throwing in an L when the original name doesn't contain one is at least a little bit odd. It's less odd in Japanese than it is in Italian though.

"Emiri / Emily" - That's not an inconsistency. That's the translators cleverly figuring out how to represent a truly bizarre nickname where the only difference from the base name is the length of one vowel (plus a different writing system). It makes sense in context.

"conspiracy" – I never once used the word conspiracy so I'm not sure why you're trying to deny something I didn't say.

"Leila is a linguistically nonstandard romanization that they stopped using" – Yes, this is a simple fact. We don't know why they stopped using it. It might have been just a whim of the translators, and if that's the case, we can't really claim that "Reira" is any more correct than "Leila".

Anyway, none of that particularly matters here. I was merely pointing out that there's an inconsistency between the romanization of her real name and the romanization of the nickname. That's it. And this is likely to be an error, though I'll admit that they might have done it intentionally (another whim, perhaps). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:57, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Just because it's inconsistent doesn't make it wrong. The text says what it says, even if its inconsistent. The name is Reira and the alias Seila, and until the devs go back to and rewrite that heartphial to align the names, the inconsistency is a neat bit of trivia at most. The text is the canon, and we should be cataloging that even if it's inconsistent, like rewording wishes, ages being switched, plotlines being altered, and names being romanized differently. We should go with what they give us even if we don't like it. If you wanted to overthink the developer's intentions, you could even argue that the inconsistency is actually the devs being forward thinking because of the character named Seira. Vannifar (talk) 16:02, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

"the inconsistency is a neat bit of trivia" – This much is definitely true.

"The text is the canon" – Technically, the Japanese text is the canon. This thing we're arguing about doesn't even exist in the Japanese text, since kana don't (usually) distinguish L and R.

"the developer's intentions" – We have no evidence at present that this is the developer's intentions. We don't know how much communication there was between developers and localizers. We don't know if the developers explicitly confirmed the correct Romanization. So, we can't reasonably present this choice as the developer's intentions. It could be, or it could be an independent choice of the localizers. At this point in time, we don't know.

"we should be cataloging that even if it's inconsistent" – This is reasonable.

"We should go with what they give us even if we don't like it." – But don't forget that this is a case where they gave us two different options, and we have currently no way to know whether it was changed intentionally or just because a different localizer team took it up. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:57, 16 October 2026 (UTC)