User talk:Celtic Minstrel

Manga raws

Hi! From where did you get raws for the Kazumi manga? Does the same place also has raws for other manga entries as well? WizardFlower (talk) 17:50, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I downloaded a torrent from somewhere. I don't know if it has raws for others. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:19, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Is it possible to share the link with me here? Or is there some rule that forbids that? WizardFlower (talk) 01:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if there's a rule forbidding it. I'm hesitant to share a torrent link in any case. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:26, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Arne

Do you think Arne is worth adding into minor characters of Magia Record? He fairly contributed to the story's plot and we'll, to the girls' development a bit as well.WizardFlower (talk) 14:06, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

I was considering it. He never makes an appearance but he does have an outsized influence on the plot. The main reason I didn't end up adding him myself is because he never made a appearance. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Characters by Age

I will add Kyosuke in 14 because I got a confirmation for his age. Also, do you have Kuroe's age anywhere? Yes we know she's middle school 3rd year but when was her age said? I kind of feel like it's not correct taking ages from grades for a handful of reasons. And last, eh is it safe to make assumptions regarding ages? We never got any mention to Haitani and Kuroda's ages. WizardFlower (talk) 11:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't know where Kuroe's age came from. It was added to her page in an edit by User:Cookies0628.

I think it's pretty reasonable to guess that Haitani and Kuroda are the same age as Asahi, but you're right that there's some assumption in there, so I wouldn't really mind them being moved to the Unknown section.

In case you missed it, see Talk:Characters by Age.

~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:41, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

NA screencaps

Gamepress still has all the stuff I did for them, including extensive menu screencaps and other screenshots I had put up. Sondenise (talk) 03:01, 4 August 2023 (UTC) Ok, I uploaded the rest of the skill icons. Sondenise (talk) 13:51, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

0x99 got back to me: "It looks like there were some permissions changed in recent version of MediaWiki for editing the UI. I've fixed this, and all autoconfirmed users should be able to edit Mediawiki:Common.css."

Let me know if it still won't allow you to edit the page.Sondenise (talk) 20:05, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Skill Icons

Can you please fix Template:Magia_Record_Skill_Icon so that "MP gain up when damaged has the correct icon"? it should be the yellow MP icon with a single arrow (icon 1227), but it looks like you have two different effects pointing to the same thing (mp gain up icon 1180). Thank you! Sondenise (talk) 17:48, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

It has been fixed. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

I just realized, but the "add magia seal" icon is duplicated on the Template:Magia_Record_Skill_Icon and when I checked the Magia_Record_Skills_and_Status_Effects it seems like it's missing entirely.Sondenise (talk) 19:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I see it on the latter page (you can get there just by clicking the icon anywhere it appears). I do see the duplicate icon as well. It looks like the duplicate was intended to represent a possibly non-extant "negate magia seal" effect. Does that exist? Is there even an icon for it? If it doesn't exist, I can just delete it from the template page. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Side Characters Order

to let tou know, I ordered these characters based on their ID their L2Ds are given. Which I am certain its the most official and correct way to go by, as the reorder you did feels like it may have holes later. Wizard Flower (talk) 19:59, 06 October 2023 (UTC)

Ordering by ID is completely nonsensical though. I could understand falling back to that if there's no actual logical order, but I don't think that applies here. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:30, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

We also use ID numbers for Magical Girls units, so I'd maintain consistency if we used IDs for side characters too.Wizard Flower (talk) 21:59, 06 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd argue there's no reason to use IDs anywhere unless no other natural ordering exists. There are some orderings that sort of make sense for the main story characters, but they're not exactly "natural" so I don't mind sorting them by ID there. (For example, in Arc 1, you'd group Mikazuki Villa, then Mitama, then the twins, the Magius, Kanagi, and Ui, in that order. Karin and Asuka technically aren't main story characters so either move them to side store or just add them at the end.) This approach could also apply to the side story characters, but there are enough interrelations between those characters that I don't think you could come up with a single "obvious" ordering.

But using ID numbers for minor characters definitely makes even less sense than for major characters. The major characters are somewhat grouped logically with respect to their IDs – for example, Mikazuki Villa gets the lowest 5 IDs. But the minor characters (8000's range, I think?) are just thrown together in no particular order, at best maaaybe vaguely in release order. If you order them by ID, it'll just look like a chaotic mess.

If you still think that's better than the way I ordered them, then it's not like I can stop you from reordering them again by ID. But I really do think it makes more sense not to do that. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:42, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Celtric, They probably removed the IDs because on the character discussion page, part of the argument was if we're going to move characters around based on their importance to the story (like moving the Tokimes up to Arc 2 main characters, and then have inui with the side characters because she has a witch, and move Asuka down to side characters etc etc) then there's no point in showing the category ID on each table in teh characters page. I mean, if we're not going to strictly follow that convention, then why have it? It's just misleading otherwise. Sondenise (talk) 13:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

The ID ranges are still approximately true, but I do kind of see what you mean. Then again, I don't think there was ever a time when they were exact. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Akane Sumire and Kaede Hinata

Hi! You removed the category "Magical girls with Witches" from Akane and Kaede's pages with the reason "No, she doesn't have a witch". Don't they get turned into witches by Kanna, though? Amaterasu (talk) 18:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that's really clearly shown in the manga. From what I recall, there are a bunch of random witches that aren't associated with any specific magical girl. They could be Akane or Kaede's witches, but there's no evidence one way or another. After all, there are tons of girls in the Freezer. So… yes, technically they probably got turned into witches by Kanna, but we aren't able to say "This witch is Sumire's" or "That witch is Kaede's", which I understood as the meaning of that category. I think there are a couple of others currently in the category that don't satisfy that, too… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I see your point. Thank you for clarifying! Amaterasu (talk) 11:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

As for the last part, that's definitely how I intended it to be when I started it. Later, however, I realized there are multiple girls who transformed into witches (Aneka or Manatsu, for example) where we don't know their witches exactly. However, since they still turned into witches, I included them. Amaterasu (talk) 12:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Is that not covered by Category:Deceased Characters? Though I guess we don't have one of those for magical girls specifically. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

It technically is, but I don't think it hurts to add another category. Considering just how many deceased Characters there are, it's useful to know which ones have become witches. Amaterasu (talk) 12:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Fanworks

I deleted these pages because they are not canon content. I'm trying to rework this wiki to be less of a mess, and this is my first step. I would appreciate you not deleting these pages. ~ Amaterasu (talk) 01:46, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

The fanworks pages are very valuable resources. Deleting them without reason is extremely unreasonable. As for "Binbou-chan", while I admit it is somewhat speculative, she is a real character in the anime, so there is no reason she can't have a page. Sure, it's an oddly large page for such a minor character, but there are other ways to deal with that than outright deleting it. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:03, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Witch Displays update

I think I managed to make an upgrade to the witch displays we have now (results are currently on my page), but I'm not sure if all my ideas work, so I have questions, mostly about css. First of all is it possible to make .witch-table make the table a wikitable for every skin but Citizen? When the table on Citizen doesn't have any class it can go under the image but if it has "wikitable", on mobile, its forced next to the image making it hard to read. But at the same time it looks way better with as a wikitable so it would be better for every other to have the wikitable while citizen has none.

On topic of Citizen, if the class thing is possible, I think it should also be possible to make it so that Citizen has 325px width and height for the display while all other skins have 350px, forcing it like this is better than viewport because the display just comes out abnormally small on mobile. (Also it would fix whatever this is on my page width: 35vw; height: 35vw; max-width: 350px; max-height: 350px; min-width: 325px; min-height: 325px;)

My last question is about Template:Witch Card.css, since I was testing on my own page I had to extract the styles and alter them. I dont really understand what goes in there, and what stays on the template itself so that's why im asking. I know I changed atleast .witch-container (badly though, this is what I mean above T_T), .witch-table A LOT since I made it so that if it wraps, the whole side box goes under, instead of just the descriptions, and since I used the new tabbers .witch-description is unneeded. Also if you want to change other code you can, I'm sure some of it is horrid. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 21:14, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

Oh also, the sprites are still broken on Citizen mobile, Im guessing it could be fixed some calc() that relies on the display width/height but idk how to do that now. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 21:21, 25 July 2025 (UTC)

I changed the vw into px of the witch box because of mobile, I remember someone saying that on mobile the template breaks, and vw is part of that. On the phone version of Citizen, Monobook or Timeless the box appears tiny now, since the screen is way smaller. If you could do what I was trying to, and manage to make the box a sepcific size only in citizen, monobook and timeless, then yeah we could keep vw, but right now px is just more stable. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 04:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

vw is relative to the screen size of the device. That's the whole reason it was used. The box is supposed to be smaller on a tiny screen, to make more room for the other elements. I do notice that the template oddly breaks when the screen width falls below 640px though – is that what you meant by "on mobile the template breaks"? Also, while I have your attention, could you explain why you removed wikitable? I think it definitely looks better with wikitable, but I assume it had some undesirable effect for you to remove it. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:16, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I was planning to keep the wikitable, but it breaks on mobile citizen (cant really check now if it does for monobook and timeless), for some reason every wikitable on citizen forces itself into a scrolling form when it's wider than the screen, and while this is good since most tables are too big for phone screens, this made the namebox (and description box because I fused it) be forced into the side with tiny width. Weirdly enough this doesnt happen when the table isnt a wikitable, so I decided to just make it stylized (If you want to change the style feel free to do so, especially the header cells because idk how to do them right now). The thing I put in place made the box size on mobile the width of the screen, while the info went below (Also i think the sprite breaks because the sprite itself uses px while the max size is set by vw). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 04:26, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't see anything in the CSS that would make a table scroll. Maybe MediaWiki runs some JavaScript on all wikitables that does something… so then, it should probably be fine if I change the style to look like a wikitable, right? Only problem with that is… I bet that look is different on each skin? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:32, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

The thing I put in place made the box on mobile the size of the screen, while the info went below

Oh, this is an interesting idea. (It's almost the same as what I was aiming for last time I worked on this template, or at least, the "info goes below" part is the same.) But, "size of the screen" is kind of nebulous in a way… since there is also a sidebar, we can't just set the CSS to make it always the size of the screen. Perhaps we actually need some @media rules to specify different CSS on smaller screens. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:32, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Hmm, as of right now, I don't see any "scrolling form" when viewing the page with Citizen in a 450px window… unless you're complaining about a vertical scrollbar? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:48, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Yeah on phone it should currently work because the table isnt a wikitable, I'll quickly upload a test to my user page with the table being a wikitable to show you what I mean. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 04:55, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I was a bit unclear there. I meant I don't see anything bad if I change it to a wikitable. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:59, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I tried it and it's working normally even when its a wikitable??? There's no forced scroll it just goes down. It could be because of the new witch-table or the width? Idk I promise it was there ;-; (Unless it was something wrong I did in my testing, and changed it later not knowing it did anything). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 05:02, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Okay Im pretty sure it was the display:inline-table; I deleted, sorry for the confusion T_T, we can probably change it back to wikitable and delete all the styling. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 05:05, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

But I already put back the inline-table… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:07, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I meant, it was something I did back when I found this problem, and now that I check it its gone because it was changed without me knowing it was the cause. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 05:08, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Ah, you're saying you think it happened because you deleted the inline-table. That seems plausible. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:10, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I am SO CONFUSED, I feel like Im going schizophrenic, because its back now?????? you can see it on File:Screenshot 2025-07-28-07-11-24-72.jpg (which if you can delete after seeing) I dont get it I truly dont anymore. This is what I meant by forcing it into a scrollbar, it just doesnt go down for some reason. Also this screenshot shows it with the tiny vw box, but I remember it working the same with a screen wide box too. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 05:15, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

So are you referring to the fact that the table is placed to the left of the sprite, instead of below it? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:21, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, you can check it on pc just by using the preview slider and making the preview width small (on citizen ofc), the table should go down but it goes to the side, even in the tiniest width it refuses, I think that's a quirk of wikitable on Citizen and that's why I didnt use it. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 05:24, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Well, I confirmed that removing wikitable after the page loads doesn't fix the issue. I can't seem to isolate a single CSS rule that causes it, either… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:29, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

It looks like extra div elements are inserted into the hierarchy somehow, with special Citizen classes that cause the issue. I'm not sure yet if there's a fix for that. I'm guessing it's triggered by the wikitable class though. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:31, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

It has to be wikitable, on my laptop removing it makes the preview templates on the template page get fixed, I think I was right then, and making a table without using wikitable would be the easiest solution. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 05:34, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

It's definitely not easy to do a pure-CSS solution here – I would have to match the Citizen overflow div only when it has our witch card stuff in it, which is impossible in CSS (but there might be some workarounds for it). I'm still investigating solutions. To be honest, I'd much prefer to keep wikitable if at all possible, since that makes the table match your chosen theme in styling. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:42, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I'll change it to the stylized table I made for now (so that it works), and when you find a solution you can change it to the new one. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 05:51, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I came up with a hacky solution but it seems like it only works sometimes. Citizen's choice to dynamically alter the DOM for this was, honestly, not a great one. I may revert this solution, not sure. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 06:18, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Not on topic for what we're talking about now but I need to voice this out, I still think just staying with px would be the easiest, yes it makes it so the smaller the screen the bigger the witchbox, but like... that's ideal isn't it?, every part of the page does that, text too and the infobox relies on text, so on a giant screen the infobox would get small while the witchbox just stayed big. EVERYTHING grows as the screen gets smaller, so for this box to stay the same weird fixed size (even if we make it so that it changes only on mobile) would just be confusing, if it used px it would adapt the same way everything else does. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 05:51, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I really don't understand what you're saying. Using px doesn't make it adapt. It doesn't make the witch box bigger on a smaller screen (unless you mean in terms of a percentage of the screen size, in which case, sure, I guess). It makes it not adapt. Using vw doesn't make it stay "the same weird fixed size". It actually makes it shrink on smaller screens. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:54, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes the shrinking is my problem, it shouldn't shrink on smaller screens. I did it word it badly with the "adapting" because I did mean it growing in a percentage way, everything on the page grows in a percentage way and I believe it should too, because you can't tell me that the box on the screenshot I sent earlier looks normal. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 05:59, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I am considering alternative approaches now – the table can't shrink beyond a certain point, so I think there's little point in making the witch container shrink beyond that point. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 06:03, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

The thing is there's not a set max shrink value to every table since each Witch has different arguments, also the only way the table would shrink is if the description cell would shrink (since its scrollable), which at a "max shrink" would make the description unreadable. And if you did make it dynamic it would make the pages all have different sizes, which just sounds bad. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 06:32, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't think there's a good clean way to go about it, it feels way too messy and just unnecessary, I dont mind the [if at certain small width make it 100%] but it being bigger than the everything on a bigger screen just feels wrong, especially since text wont shrink or grow unless you make it vw too. My point is that it should never shrink or grow, just stay the same pixel size and grow the same way everything else does, I know that if we set limits on both growing and shrinking it wouldnt be as drastic as i describe it but thats just trying to fix a problem that never needed to exist. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 06:58, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Im back from testing resolutions and I'm so sorry for hating on this idea this bad T_T, it's the max-height and max-width that make me sound dumb, because they do limit the box, and in turn making what I wanted to work - work. I just really didn't understand how it worked until I tried different resolutions, Im really sorry I was so rude ;-;. But there's still issues, like the infobox not stretching to the end of the page if it has no descriptions, and more importantly, the sprites positions breaking, if the box goes lower than the 350px the sprites go to the right as the box shrinks, Im guessing this is because of the images sizes not working like the witchbox. Again I'm sorry I should have just checked different resolutions before attacking the current setup. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:12, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Updated Live2d Exedra models

Hello there, I was wondering if you'd be willing to upload the recent live2d models added from the previous Magia Exedra updates to their respective pages, especially since 2.0 of the game recently released and I kinda needed em for something

I'm afraid you're asking the wrong person. I have no idea how to datamine the game. The ones I uploaded before were from a cache that someone else datamined but hadn't gotten around to uploading. Sorry. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:04, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

My datamining tool doesn't work since 2.0 so I can't help EPF (talk) 06:22, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

I only have the assets but I don't know how to stick them together. Sweet Beanie (talk) 07:34, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

MagiReco Character Page Layout

hello; i'm still quite new here and am not sure who to go to with this, but you seem to be the most active staff member, so i'll ask here, though this isn't directed only at you. i created an account with the intention of tidying up primarily the magia record character pages and the witch pages, but i've run into a bit of a problem -- the current page format for the magireco cast prevents their pages from being of any use. many characters have trivia sections that are filled with pieces of fundamental character information (like ao being the leader of janomiya and having used her gang to infiltrate tora/ryuu during crimson resolve, or chiharu's wish being sold out for a politician's bribe during green jasper diviners) that should go into a character's primary character/story section...but they don't have primary character/story sections, so i've found that everything keeps being stuffed into "trivia" when that isn't what trivia is supposed to be. there's also just a lot of personal headcanon/speculation/other not-trivia in the trivia sections, but i digress.

i've been trying to do my part with cleaning up things that don't belong or are misplaced, and i've brainstormed potential alternative layouts to fix this trivia problem, but i'm only one person and can only do so much with this current layout, and i'm not sure where to go from here. i've seen that the wiki is under a bit of reconstruction, but i'm not sure how much all of this has been considered by the staff. thanks. Onitora (talk) 21:56, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

I think the two examples you gave could go in the main "Summary" section. I don't know how much that applies in general to the stuff you're seeing. You can feel free to go ahead and make any edits you think make sense – if someone disagrees, they'll probably add a comment to the talk page associated with the specific article. Similarly, if there's anything you're unsure of, you can always comment on a specific article's talk page and we can discuss the specific case in more detail. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:05, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

This actually has been started by User:Sweet Beanie on Yu and Sudachi's pages. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 14:57, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

i was just wondering how extensively a user would be allowed to modify a page’s layout without previously discussing it with staff. i’ve come up with a layout mockup for (magireco) character pages that i think would work well for the wiki, but i didn’t think it appropriate to just make an account and start enacting changes like i own the place, because i don’t have any authority here.

i’ve seen that sweet_beanie has been editing yuu and sudachi’s pages extensively, but i don’t particularly agree with how they’ve been going about it and prefer not to imitate that. i think dedicated personality and history sections are good ideas, but that’s about where i stop agreeing with how they’ve modified those pages. again, i simply do not know where the line is when it comes to making these sorts of changes as a regular user, and i’m not here to step on any toes. Onitora (talk) 19:51, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

The wiki grows by being changed, some parts of it are just lacking and we're all trying to change that, I think you should edit one character's page with your vision (or just present that vision) and then we can decide which layout is better. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:10, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

I think almost anything goes as long as you don't get into an edit war with another user. If you disagree with SweetBeanie's edits, you can either edit them more in line with your vision or open a discussion on the specific page's talk page to discuss alternatives. In the former case, it would be up to SweetBeanie to open that discussion if they disagree with your changes. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:50, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

i've gone a little while since doing much here (i have things to do offline and have been busy), but i figured i'd attempt to revive this discussion, since the layout (or lack of) for the magireco character articles is preventing me from being able to do much other than pick at trivia sections. i know i could simply edit the pages on my own, but i'd prefer to discuss things with staff and other users first. i'd put together rough mockup for what i think would be the best way to approach character pages, pulling from how other fan wikis have their pages organized. however, i am just one person, so i cannot fill out every magireco page on my own -- especially since there are characters that i know less about than others. Onitora (talk) 21:35, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

I can't see that mockup, so I have no idea whether or not it's good. What do you say to showing it on an actual page? To be more precise, create a page like "User:Onitora/Iroha Tamaki" with an example of how you think it should look. Or, if you're not skilled enough to actually make the layout, you could upload that image here on the wiki instead. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 21:43, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

i'm not confident enough in my editing abilities just yet (and also have other things to do at the moment), so i've gone and uploaded the mockup image here. feel free to delete it later on if necessary. Onitora (talk) 22:38, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Okay, well, I'd say it broadly looks good, but I have a few misgivings:

• I'm kinda a fan of the basic character info table at the top, so I'd prefer to keep that. I do see that you've merged the data into the infobox section, but I think that wouldn't work as well on some pages; plus, the infobox currently is for primarily OOC info while the main table is mainly IC info, so I'm wary of mixing the two.
• And speaking of the OOC info in the infobox, your mockup drops it entirely. While I personally don't have much use for that info, I would say it should definitely be mentioned somewhere.
• There seems to be no etymology section. Where would the etymology go?
• Where does Powers and Abilities go? I do like having it as separate section, though it could be a subsection of some other section, I suppose.
• Would I be correct in guessing that the current Appearances, Memoria Cards, and Game Notes sections all fall under "Game-Related Section"? I don't think we should remove those or anything.

Don't take that as things that you absolutely need to change about the design – it's all up for discussion.

One other thing I'd like to note is that, if we're doing this anyway, I think we should handle the game info for Magia Record in the same way as we're now handling it for Magia Exedra. See Nanoha Takamachi/Gameplay/4051 for an example of what that would look like, though if it's up to me, we not use internal IDs for the page names – that page would be renamed to "Nanoha Takamachi/Standard", for example, and this would merge all non-dual variant characters into their base character page, with separate subpages specifically for each game data box. Though, that doesn't mean you'd have to be the one to make those changes or anything. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:33, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

no need to worry about bringing this up; this sort of discussion is why i didn't want to just inject my vision into the wiki out of nowhere. discussing this sort of thing is good for a website like this.

• for the character table/infobox, i think, visually, it looks better if they're merged. as it is right now, i find the character info table to be helpful but not good to look at (though that's just personal opinion). i'm not too wise about website coding, but looking at character pages on other fan wikis, i wonder if there may be a way to have them in the same table but with a visual separation. i mostly like to reference off of websites like pokemon's bulbapedia and splatoon's inkipedia for wiki design and it looks like bulbapedia mixes both ic and ooc info in their character infoboxes, but each "grouping" of information is visually separated into their own sections, which i think may be a wise idea. ooc info definitely should be included in some capacity; i didn't make the mockup's infobox all-encompassing just because it was getting tedious and it was more a proof of concept more than a comprehensive list of everything to be included.
• for both etymology and powers and abilities, they both seem like such small additions that i'm not quite sure what to do with them -- etymology is largely just going to be witch/doppel name source + the definitions for the kanji in a character's name, and a lot of characters don't have powers that can be extensively written about. p&a i'm sure could fit as a subsection somewhere, but i'm a bit stumped on what to do with etymology, since i think the witch/doppel name information is especially important, but not usually extensive enough to warrant its own section. since an etymology section would be short, maybe at the very end somewhere? after trivia but before the notes.
• appearances/game notes/memoria/etc would best fit wherever game information is, yes. probably even split into their own sections; i just did one game section for the mockup but there's tons of wiggle room for that area specifically. my main interest is getting story information up onto the wiki, since i find that's where it's pretty lacking for magireco (especially the arc 2 cast); the gameplay section(s) just have to be moved around more than anything else, i think.

my main goal for all of this is to hopefully smooth out getting canonical information onto character pages as well as (hopefully) making them look good in the process. the pages as they are now aren't bad, but i find the layout a bit clunky to navigate, and a lot of them are pretty much devoid of story information because there's nowhere to put any of it besides "trivia". i know i'm still pretty new here as an editor, but i'd just like to help make improvements where i can. Onitora (talk) 18:58, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

I've decided to move this discussion to Project talk:Wiki Cleanup 2025/Article formatting. Hopefully that'll encourage other users to add their 2¢ as well. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 19:11, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

Create Pages

I would like to create a disambiguation page for "Kriemhild" since there are two witches with that name now, but I can't find any ways for me to create new pages with. Can you or any admin help me create this, or lead me to where new pages can be made? Thank you! RaviaVee (talk) 16:01, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

You just have to search the word and a prompt to create that page should appear below the search bar. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 16:23, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

Treating Game Info

You mentioned how you wanna change the way we treat game info for MagiReco units, I wanna start talking about it here instead of on Puella Magi Wiki talk:Wiki Cleanup 2025/Article formatting, since that page doesnt seem like the correct place. My best idea for it would be making subpages for both Record and Exedra, for example Iroha Tamaki/Magia Record/Anime ver. and Iroha Tamaki/Magia Exedra/Doppel of Silence, while the page Iroha Tamaki/Magia Record could be for the base unit. I believe that the mini descriptions we have in the Summary sections and the doppel description could go in those pages too, but I'm not sure if they should appear on the main page (that could be dealt with if we just put the game info into <onlyinclude>). Obviously this leaves out duo units again but I don't know a way to integrate them into any system based on subpages without it being iffy. Also about my edit on Template:Ruby I genuinely thought the spaces were a mistake T_T. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 08:31, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

I ain't CM, but sounds like a good idea, turning alts into subpages of the main page. We don't have unique pages for MagiReco MSSs or quotes, so there should be relatively little trouble...? EPF (talk) 12:18, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Even if that's not the correct place, this definitely isn't the correct place. Anyway, I'm not sure I like the idea of having Magia Record and Magia Exedra subpages though. Why not just put that information on the main page? We should have subpages for each of the units though – the "main" unit and each "xyz ver." unit. That does mean the Magia Record units and the Magia Exedra units fall under the same namespace, but… since the Magia Exedra ones always end in "ver.", I doubt that'd be an issue.

And about Template:Ruby, I put the spaces in to show the grouping, how each pair of parameters fits together. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:07, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Well no matter if we put the extra info like Side Stories or quotes into the subpages, I still believe the /Magia smth/ page naming is better, it would just make more sense for some characters. In Iroha's case its obvious Iroha Tamaki/Standard would be about her Record unit but Madoka Kaname/Standard sounds way too random. Im fully okay with making the base units use Char/Magia Record/Standard instead of just Char/Magia Record though, if that's a bother. And I think it would be best if Template:Magia Record Stats is also changed to fit with the new system. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 16:05, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

I guess you could make the Magia Record base version be Madoka Kaname/Magia Record, and variants use their "ver." name, eg Madoka Kaname/Swimsuit ver.… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:29, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

I guess it wouldnt change that much, but I've been thinking about what would change if we abolished all variant pages and in Magia Record/Exedra pages... obviously the galleries would get bigger which Im glad about, but the whole game appearances thing would have to be get rid of, unless we just make it a drop down list in the game section. Also would we keep pages like Holy Mami? I think they're distinct enough, and I think their Kioku appearing on their pages would be good (tho that might mean putting it in manually unless we name the page Holy Mami/Tiro Finale Liberation but that would mean putting it manually on Mami's page). The Costume and Side stories is what Im most worried about, cause idk how we would treat them. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 10:48, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

That's pretty much the sort of change I'm advocating for here. I do think it's worthwhile to have separate pages for major variants like Holy Mami, Rumor Tsuruno, or Holy Alina though. And it might be worthwhile keeping the MagiRepo ones separate, as they're all joke units. But you're right that it raises a number of issues. Appearances would just go in the game section (it could have separate sections by media, so one for Magia Record, one for Magia Exedra, one for Portable, etc). I'm not sure how costumes and side stories would work… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:06, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

My best ideas for Record Side and Costume stories are to either make a separate subpage just for them, with the page featuring all the side stories from across the units orr putting them onto the unit pages, but using <noinclude> so they dont appear with the game info on the main page. I personally prefer the first one. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 22:18, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

<noinclude> wouldn't even be needed, as they're not simply transcluded into the parent page – the template that adds them looks for invocations of certain templates on the subpages and includes just those templates. For costume stories, I actually think putting them on the subpage makes sense. Maybe we could do that, and have a separate subpage for the main side story? That said, I think there's also merit in taking all those side stories and collecting them into one place (or a few places), since there are several cases where multiple side stories link together into a broader narrative. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 22:39, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

Oktavia

From Oktavia, you removed my last addition, "At the end of the story, the mermaid is ultimately saved by transforming into a sylph and ascending into the sky (Sayaka being absorbed into the Law of Cycles)." with the comment, "Don't make up random nonsense". But that's literally what happens at the end of TLM?

Her body dissolves into foam, but instead of ceasing to exist, she turns into a luminous and ethereal earthbound spirit, a daughter of the air. While ascending into the atmosphere, she is greeted by other daughters, who say that she has become like them because she strove with all her heart to obtain an immortal soul.

You can read an English translation of the story here.

Unless you're talking about the Law of Cycles thing? --Mikoto (talk) 05:33, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Hmm. I was sure I remembered the mermaid just dissolving into sea foam and that was the end of it, but… I don't think I ever read a direct translation of the original work. It seems like that ending was not well-received, so maybe that's why the probably-abridged illustrated children's version I remember omitted it… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 19:30, 24 November 2025 (UTC)