Talk:Magia Record Enemies
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Why is Oscar listed twice? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:20, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
- The game treats them as separate enemies with different ID's. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 05:47, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
That… doesn't seem like a good reason? Is there some actual, substantial difference between them beyond the IDs? If not, I don't think they should be separated. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:44, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
- I mean I would keep them separate, especially since they have different names too. But... at the same time, we ignore that the Magical Girl enemies (that have units) aren't those units, and just treat them like they are. I guess there's nothing wrong with just fusing them. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:19, 26 May 2026 (UTC)
- What do you mean, different names? You can't call "???" a name – it's just a placeholder for an as-yet-unrevealed name. They are both Oscar, so wouldn't that mean they have the same name? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 12:59, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- I mean ig? My point is that after the name reveal, the game didn't just change the name of the enemy, but made a new one with the revealed name, you can see it in the first two images above, they have different # numbers. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 13:15, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- I'm guessing we have no way to know whether the old enemy was still in use after the reveal, or whether there was a substantial difference between the two? It seems entirely possible that they have separate IDs solely to manage the reveal, and they are otherwise identical, but I don't know. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:23, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- I'd keep them separate, I mean they have different descriptions too. I don't think it's that much of a deal really. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:04, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
- But they are still the same enemy. They are both Oscar. They're not really a separate thing except at a very low implementation level. I don't think it makes sense for them to have separate pages. I think what I'd do is eliminate the unrevealed Oscar and make a page for the revealed version, then add the unrevealed case as an alternate on that page (and we don't need to include the ID – the ID is just a meaningless number which honestly probably shouldn't even be mentioned anywhere at all, even for other enemies). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:11, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
- I just don't see what problems keeping them separate would create. Like yeah itll take up more space, and identifying them without details (like seeing a video where you see an oscar in a specific quest and you can't tell which version) would be annoying, but the Record wiki separates them nicely, and I think following things the game set is more important than small conviences like this. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:59, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
- It's just because they are fundamentally the same thing. I don't think the fact that the programmers decided to implement them twice over just to create a "reveal" moment is such an important detail that it needs to be encoded into the very structure of our wiki. That info would be important if you're trying to revive the game itself for archival purposes (so that people can actually play Magia Record again at some point in the future), but this wiki isn't really the place for that sort of thing. This is my opinion on the matter. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:29, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
- But what do you think should be done with the other description? They have different ones and that's not something like IDs where its hidden anyway. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 13:03, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- Pretty sure I already mentioned this – one description is "pre-reveal", so there's no issue with adding it to the same page, is there? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:02, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- I mean ig, it still feels off to me to do it like this but it wouldnt be that bad really, though the descriptions should defnitely use a tabs tag (like tabs inside of tabs). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 16:52, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- Pretty sure I already mentioned this – one description is "pre-reveal", so there's no issue with adding it to the same page, is there? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:02, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- But what do you think should be done with the other description? They have different ones and that's not something like IDs where its hidden anyway. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 13:03, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- It's just because they are fundamentally the same thing. I don't think the fact that the programmers decided to implement them twice over just to create a "reveal" moment is such an important detail that it needs to be encoded into the very structure of our wiki. That info would be important if you're trying to revive the game itself for archival purposes (so that people can actually play Magia Record again at some point in the future), but this wiki isn't really the place for that sort of thing. This is my opinion on the matter. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:29, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
- I just don't see what problems keeping them separate would create. Like yeah itll take up more space, and identifying them without details (like seeing a video where you see an oscar in a specific quest and you can't tell which version) would be annoying, but the Record wiki separates them nicely, and I think following things the game set is more important than small conviences like this. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:59, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
- But they are still the same enemy. They are both Oscar. They're not really a separate thing except at a very low implementation level. I don't think it makes sense for them to have separate pages. I think what I'd do is eliminate the unrevealed Oscar and make a page for the revealed version, then add the unrevealed case as an alternate on that page (and we don't need to include the ID – the ID is just a meaningless number which honestly probably shouldn't even be mentioned anywhere at all, even for other enemies). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:11, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
- I'd keep them separate, I mean they have different descriptions too. I don't think it's that much of a deal really. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:04, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
Starting
Should we start making these pages already? I think it should be done before the other changes (like event pages or unit pages) so that the links to the enemies are already active. I think it should be okay for the template to look like the Exedra one, I mean the unit and kioku templates dont look that different. Same goes for the inline block template. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:03, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
- Also, what type of enemies are there? Obviously bosses but I don't know any other "type" of enemy in Record (stuff like Kimochi Raid doesn't count, as they are isolated bosses anyway and have no real reason to have their own frame, only frames for types that would actually be important to making it clear what they are). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:29, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
- I don't think there's anything like a "type" for enemies either in Record or Exedra – boss or apex or whatever just boils down to what they look like and how they're used. So, basically, just distinguishing bosses is probably good enough. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:25, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
- It's really just for clarification, the enemy displays are very simple already, so specifying that the boss has apex forms is nice. Same goes for Score Attack, bosses don't appear in events normally, so just putting it as a boss there wouldn't be good (tho someone has to know what Score Attacks are first ig, still better than assuming they do and expecting them to understand that putting a boss enemy in events means Score Attack). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 12:52, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- I didn't mean to imply I had anything against what you'd done for Exedra. The topic here was how to handle it for Record, and my previous comment is the conclusion – that I don't know of anything worth distinguishing in Record other than just bosses. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:04, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- It's really just for clarification, the enemy displays are very simple already, so specifying that the boss has apex forms is nice. Same goes for Score Attack, bosses don't appear in events normally, so just putting it as a boss there wouldn't be good (tho someone has to know what Score Attacks are first ig, still better than assuming they do and expecting them to understand that putting a boss enemy in events means Score Attack). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 12:52, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- I don't think there's anything like a "type" for enemies either in Record or Exedra – boss or apex or whatever just boils down to what they look like and how they're used. So, basically, just distinguishing bosses is probably good enough. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:25, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
Should we keep the "Enemy" (or archive) sprites on the enemy pages or throw them out when we get the rendered sprites? Right now they will act as temporary sprites but we could use them like we use the chamber of light sprites on the Exedra pages. The problem with this is that most of them would just be 1:1 with the rendered sprites so that might be a waste of space, only the ones that "collect" multiple sprites into 1 or the ones that have a directly different pose in their battle sprites (Eve, Ichizo, Walpurgis) would actually provide something. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:42, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, I think it could make sense to throw them out in favour of the proper render once we get it, except for the grouped ones like Echoes, or ones that don't exactly match the sprite. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:15, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
Name Images
Sweet Beanie lately uploaded all the name images that enemies in record have (thanks!), but I have 2 questions. 1- Should we keep the japanese versions of the Uwasa names or change them to the english versions? Those exist, but I'm not sure which we should use, since NA record didnt cover every Uwasa so some would still have to be in japanese. 2- Should we upload the "chara" name images for enemies that dont have the first versions? I mean the Kimochi runes are some of them (they're cropped right now though). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 13:54, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- How could NA not have covered every uwasa? It covered the entirety of arc 1. What uwasa could have been missed? That said, I'm actually somewhat against uploading these name images at all. It's generally bad to have images that are just text. Admittedly, the uwasa ones are a touch more complicated than just text, but all those witch ones are pure text – it'd be easier to just put the runes in and scrap the image. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:06, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- It missed only 4 Uwasa: Mr. Purrs-A-Lot the Kitten, Piggles the Pig, Moortimer the Cow and the Rarity Star. About the runes yeah... Most of them are the same size so there's not really a point in keeping them, at most I would kinda want to keep H.N. Elly's runes as they are unique. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 16:44, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- That's not too bad then (on the uwasa) – I'd use the English versions wherever possible. As for H.N. Elly, I wouldn't call that especially unique. You can easily get that without the image using just a little font size alteration.
- Although, if we could just obtain a clean version of the uwasa background text, we could even do without those images… the font and positioning wouldn't quite match the image though, most likely. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:29, 7 June 2026 (UTC)
- I think I'm almost done with the card template, but the Uwasa name is bothering me, since its in english it just repeats awkwardly. I see 3 solutions, using the japanese images instead, getting the background and using it on the text like you said, or in these cases getting rid of the text and using the image like a link instead. I definitely prefer the first 2 over the 3rd one. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 09:46, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
Descriptions
Is there a place where I can find the full NA descriptions? I know that our wiki doesn't fully use the NA descriptions, in cases like Shitori Egumo where it still uses Happy Witch instead of Blessed Witch. I also know that the Magireco fandom wiki has them, but not fully, as it leaves the first part out (the one that gives the type and nature of the witch). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 09:48, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
- this? -Hilbert88 (talk) 13:17, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you! I'll change some of the links here to the official names. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 13:26, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
Oh yeah another question, when a description wasn't in the NA version and it's fan translated, BUT it was officially translated in Exedra, should we change the Record descriptions to match those of exedra? Like Sweets -> Dessert and Canine -> Dog. I know a lot of Record is fan translated, and that's just not something easily change-able but I want to stay as consistent on this wiki as possible. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 13:36, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
- I agree that since we now have official translations, we should replace the fan-translated content. However, I’m not sure how extensive the changes would be across other articles besides the Witch pages. Also, just a heads-up, the official descriptions for some minions (like Ulla, Adelbert, Daniyyel & Jennifer, etc.) can actually be found in Memoria descriptions.
- That being said, there are a couple of minor points that might need some discussion:
- If I recall correctly, Lucy made her debut in "The Green Jasper Diviners" event, but the NA server shut down before that. This means her official NA description was technically unreleased. Is it okay for us to make it public now?
- Charlotte’s minion is named "Candy Witch Minion" in Memoria card, which raises the question: should Charlotte's own name be changed to "Candy Witch"? However, Nagisa's Doppel feature labels it as "Dessert," and since we currently can't find the enemy archive files for her, I'm not entirely sure what name Charlotte actually used when fought as an enemy...
- - Hilbert88 (talk) 18:58, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
- That being said, there are a couple of minor points that might need some discussion:
- I completelly forgot about the familiar memoria ;-;, but yeah it confirms Dog Witch and Graffiti Witch. For Lucy: the description might be unreleased, but its still an officially translated description. The alternative would be ignoring it and using a fan translation, and yeah there's no reason to. For Charlotte... I have no idea tbh, I'd go for Dessert Witch (both for compatibility with Exedra and just because I prefer it), but the memoria being called Candy Witch Minion makes everything complicated. If the official doppel description uses Dessert, then that's a point towards using Dessert, but from what I looked (atleast on the Magireco wiki) the Doppel description uses お菓子, while Pyotr's and her Witch description uses お菓子の, that's only one character difference, and google translate tells me that it basically means the same thing, so I'm not sure if that's enough of an important factor. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:22, 16 June 2026 (UTC)