Template talk:Magia Record Memoria List

So, I see people are starting to deploy this macro to the witch and rumour pages, which is fine. However… although I did go through and categorize all the memoria by character, I'm not quite satisfied with it when it comes to how variants of characters are handled.

For example, should Homura and Glasses Homura be treated as separate characters? Should Madoka and Ultimate Madoka be treated as separate characters? Should PAPA versions be treated as separate characters? Should swimsuit variants and the like be separated out somehow? This really boils down to a question of whether we want Iroha-chan memoria to appear on Iroha's page, Glasses Homura memoria on Homura's page, etc. And what do we do on dual unit pages? Should the Amane Twins page only contain memoria pertaining to their swimsuit form, or should it contain all memoria pertaining to Tsukasa and Tsukuyo?

What I did so far is to treat Homura and Glasses Homura as the same person. However, for drastically different variants such as Ultimate Madoka, Iroha-chan, Holy Mami, etc, I treated them has a separate character but also always added the base character category, meaning that all the Holy Mami memoria will appear on Mami's page, but non-holy Mami memoria will not appear on Holy Mami's page. And I didn't do anything special for dual or triple units. They are essentially unsupported at the moment.

~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:28, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

To look at how the Honkai: Star Rail wiki handles character categories, variants are treated as separate characters. Their Dan Heng/Media page has almost zero overlap with Dan Heng • Imbibitor Lunae/Media, they have separate categories too. I think it should work fairly well. EPF (talk) 04:58, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Okay, but how different does it need to be to qualify as a "variant"? I don't think it makes sense to have separate categories (or even separate pages, honestly) for all the swimsuit versions. And it seems you're saying that most of the Holy Mami memoria should not have the Mami category? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:22, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

From what I've seen, they treat it as "if it's a separate battle unit, it's a separate category; if it's a different costume for the same battle unit, it doesn't get a category". So, if we emulate it as closely to 1:1 as possible, it'd mean that all those live2d-only swimsuits or valentine outfits would not get their own categories, but Swimsuit ver., Holy __, Uwasa no __, etc, would.

But that's HSR, not MagiReco, obviously. HSR, importantly, doesn't release units that are the same costume as the base ver, with the only difference being the artstyle (like Rena Minami/Rena Minami (Anime ver.)); additionally MagiReco is heavier on both alternate costumes and gacha alts (Dan Heng Imbibitor Lunae is the only HSR gacha alt, iirc).

Imo the best solution for our wiki would be a parent category for a character, and sub-categories for all the alts (the main unit wouldn't get its own category, and the character's main page would have all memoria for that character regardless of the gacha alt/costume). EPF (talk) 12:47, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

So if I understand correctly, that seems to imply that the way I've handled Holy Mami / Mami Tomoe is what you'd prefer? Basically, Holy Mami memoria are categorized as both Holy Mami memoria and as Mami Tomoe memoria, meaning the Holy Mami page can have just the Holy Mami memoria, while the Mami Tomoe page can have all of them.

But what's still not clear to me is whether you think swimsuit variants, anime variants, combo variants, etc should be handled the same way. Are you saying there should be a specific category for "Rena Minami Anime Version"? It sounds like you do think there should be a specific category for "Iroha Tamaki Swimsuit Version". What about combos that don't change the costume? It's relatively easy to add categories for "Nemu Hiiragi Holy Night Version" and "Touka Satomi Holy Night Version", or "Tsukasa Amane Swimsuit Version" and "Tsukuyu Amane Swimsuit Version". But what do we do for the Leila-Seika unit, or the Iroha-Madoka unit, or the Konoha-Hazuki unit, or the Iroha-Kuroe unit? Should those just use the base categories? Then there's Iroha-Yachiyo and Yachiyo-Mifuyu which are even weirder edge cases - the costumes aren't changed, but they aren't identical to the base version either. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:59, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Then there's Glasses Homura vs Cool Homura, which is a bit of a confusing case because there isn't really one that you can call the "base" unit, yet they're both the same character. What do we do there? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:09, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

I compiled a list of all the alts:

• Scene 0 alts (the 5 holy quintent girls) - these are identical to the base, so I think it doesn't make sense to have a separate category?
• Anime alts (Holy Mami, Rumor Tsuruno, Iroha, Yachiyo, Rena) - again, these are identical to the base, so I think it doesn't make sense to have a separate category?
• Special event alts (Holy Mami, Holy Alina, Rumor Tsuruno, Rumor Sana, Infinite Iroha, Kimochi Lavi, Historia Yachiyo, Ultimate Madoka, Devil Homura, Doppel Kyoko, Final Oriko, Final Tart, Witch Isabeau, Kazumi Subaru, Rumor Mikoto, Mifuyu/Yachiyo beginning version) - many of these have a category page already, but not all.
• Eyeglasses Homura, which is a confusing case because it's unclear which unit is the "base" unit
• Costume alts - these could probably have a separate category
  • Swimsuit (Holy Quintet, Nagisa, Iroha, Sakurako, Kuroe, Amane Twins, Rena, Kaede, Momoko, Mitama)
  • Haregi (Madoka, Homura, Sayaka, Mitama)
  • Valentine (Nagisa, Sudachi)
  • Fantasy (Vampire Kanagi, Sister Momoko, Ice Queen Yachiyo, Demon King Mifuyu, Vampire Juri/Yuna)
  • New Year's (First Sunrise Shizuka, Dragon God Asuka, Miko Iroha/Ui)
  • Christmas (Rika, Ren, Touka, Nemu, Nayuta, Mikage)
  • Other (Tanabata Yachiyo, Eternal Darkness Mitama/Kanagi, Hyakki Yagyou Kagome, Delivery Tsuruno/Felicia, Halloween Alina/Karin, Bride Masara/Kokoro)
• PAPA alts (Iroha-chan, Madoka-senpai, Felicia-chan, Rena-chan, Ultimate Madoka-senpai, Devil Homura-chan, Infinite Iroha-chan) - all of these already have a category
• Duals/triples without costume change (Yachiyo/Iroha final battle version, Konoha/Hazuki/Ayame, Madoka/Iroha, Leila/Seika/Mito, Iroha/Kuroe, Iroha-chan/Madoka-senpai) - I don't see how these could have a category

In summary: I think the special event alts could have separate categories (several of them do already). I think the costume alts could probably have a separate categories, but none of them do right now. Should I add those? The PAPA alts already have separate categories. What should I do about the anime alts, scene 0 alts, and dual or triple units without a costume change? And what should I do with the eyeglasses vs cool Homura?

For now, I'll get started on adding separate categories for the special event alts that don't already have them. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:27, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

Another complication has emerged. What should we do about the Chinese server exclusives and the NA server exclusives? The current setup mixes them in with the rest instead of pushing them to the bottom in a separate table like we had before. Replicating that in the dynamic list would require adding language categories to all the memoria. Should we do that, or should we tweak things so that mixing them in works nicely? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:06, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

For now, I'm just going to let the Chinese ones mix in, and maybe later I'll tweak things a bit to make that work nicely, unless someone says it's better to keep them separate after all. Still waiting for opinions on how to handle Homura, and whether the costume alts should have categories. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:01, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

So no-one has any opinions on these matters? I should just flip a coin and pick something at random? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:41, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

I would still like someone to help decide how to handle the two versions of Homura, if nothing else. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:06, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

I mean, if you want to DPL the memo lists for alts, it's natural that'd require a category...? Imo 1-category-per-alt is needed, even for duos and alts that look virtually the same. As for the regionals, a simple solution would be splitting it into 2 DPL queries, like:

|category = {{{character}}} in Magia Record Memoria
|notcategory = Magia Record Memoria Cards NA Exclusive
|notcategory = Magia Record Memoria Cards CN Exclusive

And another one being like

|category = {{{character}}} in Magia Record Memoria
|category = Magia Record Memoria Cards NA Exclusive ¦ Magia Record Memoria Cards CN Exclusive

-EPF (talk) 12:02, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

"even for duos and alts that look virtually the same" – This doesn't even make sense. Why would you add a category for a character that's absolutely identical to the base character? Regarding the regionals, I actually modified things a bit so that they mix in gracefully, so I'm considering that solved… but you're welcome to redo things in a different way if you prefer. More importantly, you still haven't commented on the single most confusing thing about all this. How do we handle Homura? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:08, 8 May 2025 (UTC)