User talk:EPF
A Japanese interview in a magazine my older sister purchased in 2012 when she was visiting Japan. Considering at the time my sister didn't know Japanese, recently (about 2 weeks ago)she found the magazine and we looked through it together. (She knows Japanese now.) The magazine said that the creator intended for her to be around 10 years old. :) Venus (talk) 12:55, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
What's the title, do you have photos of the article? It was a 2012 magazine, so still a pretty active time for MadoMagi TLs. Newer things struggle to get translated, so an older article likely would've been included here, if it was official (but then again, we didn't have an article on Puella Magi Madoka Magica Plus until I made it, a game which ran from 2012 to 2015, so it might've been missed). I just wanna make sure that's verifiable. EPF (talk) 15:00, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Manga Time Kirara Magica later volumes wanted?
Hello! You were the last person who updated Manga Time Kirara Magica Vol.29's page, which, well, was nearly 6 years ago, but I am currently looking for information on Volume 30, or, if possible, even all released after September 2016. Can be in any language, I'm a flexible person. Any help? -EPF (talk) 19:08, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Volume 30 was the final volume of the magazine. AFAIK, Vol.18+ was never fully scanlated, but [Your Silver Garden](http://silvergardentl.blogspot.com/) has their own physical copy which they have slowly scanlated from. Most of the individual manga were collected and released as tankobon. You can find all of them scanned on https://mediafire.com/madokaofficial - Prima (talk) 05:24, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Staff vs. Bow
Here are some times that her staff is seen.
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On the bottom, below its bow form. While it does say "Bow and arrow", my point stands all the same. -
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Notice that the branches and flower only bloom when it becomes a bow -
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And here are some times as a bow.
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Notice that the branches and flower only bloom when it becomes a bow
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As well as in episode 12, but I'm not interested in finding that right now.
Is it more commonly used as a bow? Yes. However, the differences between her bow and her staff are different and obvious enough that it is evident that it's a staff. With that, I urge and warn you to please stop fighting about this. Amaterasu (talk) 14:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's not a staff. It just is not a staff. The string isn't visible in MagiReco chibis *ever*, just look at this video or on this sprite viewer with a black background on. And Madoka doesn't summon the string until she's absolutely ready to shoot. That second screenshot, the one featuring Ultimate Madoka? She shoots mere seconds later. File:Madoka_01.jpg, aka Magia Archive Vol.1, calls her weapon "bow and arrow" (弓矢 yumiya). It's not スタッフ or 杖 or whatever else. Calling it a staff would be valid if we've ever seen her whack anyone directly with it or cast a spell directly from the rose, but she never does that. She always shoots. It's not a staff, it will never be a staff. You are the one in the wrong EPF (talk) 15:01, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am literally not wrong. I've given you many examples of all the times that we have seen it as a staff. Yes, in Magia Record, it is called a bow and arrow because that is how she primarily uses it. Ignore what I've shown you all you want, but its a staff. Amaterasu (talk) 15:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ignore what I've shown you all you want, but it's a bow. EPF (talk) 15:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- As a bow, it gains two branches and the flower blooms. However, when it's a staff, the flower is curled up and no branches can be seen. Because of that, it can be clearly seen that her weapon is a staff. Amaterasu (talk) 15:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- The two extra branches are purely decorative. Chibi Madoka in MagiReco shoots arrows just fine without them. Plus anyway, what kind of staff is somewhat V-shaped like a bow, and what kind of person holds a staff like this? That's how you hold a bow EPF (talk) 15:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's... how you hold a staff? In the middle? It is literally shown in animation that it gains a bowstring when the flower and branches appear. Until that happens, it's a staff. Amaterasu (talk) 15:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/young-blonde-girl-black-dress-holding-504008557 and similar EPF (talk) 15:37, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's an unrelated piece of media and I fail to see how that relates to this conversation. Amaterasu (talk) 15:40, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Look, I don't want to fight any more than we already are. I have given you the proof, and you have chosen to ignore it. I implore you to stop fighting with me on this. Amaterasu (talk) 15:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Some bows are also quite straight when unstrung, see this Reddit thread. You've ignored everything both I and regular common sense have been telling you as well. Nobody wants plain misinformation on any wiki, and what you're trying to enforce is simply that - misinformation. EPF (talk) 15:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also wish to make it clear that I don't disagree that its a bow most of the time. I agree with that. I do, however, disagree that it is a bow all of the time. The times where it is a staff and the times where it's a bow are clear enough that a distinction can be made. It's not misinformation, its basic fact that you simply look past. Amaterasu (talk) 15:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- The reason that I am so stubborn here is that, in official media, it is seen and told to be a staff. Saying that it is a bow all of the time is what is misinformation. Amaterasu (talk) 15:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yet official media (Magia Archive vol.1) also simply call it a bow and arrow, without a single mention of a staff. Go ahead, show me where else outside of Portable it's called a staff. As-if bows that are straight when unstrung don't exist, anyway. And stop deleting my annotation under that image EPF (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
You've ignored everything both I and regular common sense have been telling you as well.
- I could say the same. The evidence that I have shown is ignored in favor of the misinformation that you present. Amaterasu (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yet official media (Magia Archive vol.1) also simply call it a bow and arrow, without a single mention of a staff. Go ahead, show me where else outside of Portable it's called a staff. As-if bows that are straight when unstrung don't exist, anyway. And stop deleting my annotation under that image EPF (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- The reason that I am so stubborn here is that, in official media, it is seen and told to be a staff. Saying that it is a bow all of the time is what is misinformation. Amaterasu (talk) 15:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also wish to make it clear that I don't disagree that its a bow most of the time. I agree with that. I do, however, disagree that it is a bow all of the time. The times where it is a staff and the times where it's a bow are clear enough that a distinction can be made. It's not misinformation, its basic fact that you simply look past. Amaterasu (talk) 15:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Some bows are also quite straight when unstrung, see this Reddit thread. You've ignored everything both I and regular common sense have been telling you as well. Nobody wants plain misinformation on any wiki, and what you're trying to enforce is simply that - misinformation. EPF (talk) 15:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Look, I don't want to fight any more than we already are. I have given you the proof, and you have chosen to ignore it. I implore you to stop fighting with me on this. Amaterasu (talk) 15:41, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's an unrelated piece of media and I fail to see how that relates to this conversation. Amaterasu (talk) 15:40, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/young-blonde-girl-black-dress-holding-504008557 and similar EPF (talk) 15:37, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's... how you hold a staff? In the middle? It is literally shown in animation that it gains a bowstring when the flower and branches appear. Until that happens, it's a staff. Amaterasu (talk) 15:35, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- The two extra branches are purely decorative. Chibi Madoka in MagiReco shoots arrows just fine without them. Plus anyway, what kind of staff is somewhat V-shaped like a bow, and what kind of person holds a staff like this? That's how you hold a bow EPF (talk) 15:33, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- As a bow, it gains two branches and the flower blooms. However, when it's a staff, the flower is curled up and no branches can be seen. Because of that, it can be clearly seen that her weapon is a staff. Amaterasu (talk) 15:30, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Ignore what I've shown you all you want, but it's a bow. EPF (talk) 15:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am literally not wrong. I've given you many examples of all the times that we have seen it as a staff. Yes, in Magia Record, it is called a bow and arrow because that is how she primarily uses it. Ignore what I've shown you all you want, but its a staff. Amaterasu (talk) 15:27, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, but I agree with EPF. Madoka's weapon is very clearly a bow, not a staff. Note though that "staff" is also a part of a bow (that is, a bow is made up of a staff and a string). So if it was occasionally used to clobber someone like a staff, or if it's sometimes seen unstrung, fine. But it's still a bow, not a staff. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- I understand your point, but I believe firmly that we have indeed seen it as a staff and the staff transforms into a bow. Amaterasu (talk) 15:59, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- The transformation that the staff undergoes when it becomes a bow disproves the "unstrung bow" theory for me, but I understand if its not as conclusive for others. Amaterasu (talk) 16:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's a fantasy bow, so it's hard for me to take such a thing as proof. To me, it doesn't seem that weird at all if a fantasy bow transforms when strung. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- I can believe that, even a little bit. I understand that both sides here are stubborn to an annoying degree, so we aren't going to reach a satisfying conclusion in any way. I still view it as a staff, and you both still view it as a bow. I can accept that. Amaterasu (talk) 16:13, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Regarding the images you posted to support your theory: to me, all the regular Madoka ones look clearly like an unstrung bow. The Ultimate Madoka ones are a bit more ambiguous, admittedly. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:10, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- To me, it's clearly a staff in these images. I can accept that its ambiguous and hard to whether it is a staff/bow. Amaterasu (talk) 16:15, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm getting tired of fighting, so I'd like to end it here. The conclusion that I see having been reached is "It's a bow, but it's hard to tell." Is that wrong? Amaterasu (talk) 16:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Setting Ultimate Madoka aside for a moment, I can't really agree that it's "hard to tell". Everything I can see about regular Madoka seems to unambiguously show it to be a bow, albeit frequently unstrung; and according to EPF, all official materials call it a bow. To me, that's sufficient to state unambiguously that it's a bow. Even if the art were ambiguous, the fact of all official materials calling it a bow would, to me, be sufficient to resolve the ambiguity. (In fact, that argument probably applies to Ultimate Madoka, where the art indeed looks ambiguous.) If you want to claim that it's a bow and a staff, I guess that would be okay (it's absolutely true, because a bow has a staff), though I think that should probably only be brought up if she actually ever uses it in a way unbefitting of a bow. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- I do want to rollback what I said. I think it's so obviously a staff that I cannot understand where any confusion comes from. I don't agree that its "unstrung" in any way, it literally becomes a bow. Amaterasu (talk) 18:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also want to add that media use "bow" because that's the way she uses her staff. She uses her staff as a bow. It's so clearly a staff. Amaterasu (talk) 18:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- You're the one who's not making any sense here. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and the creator says it's a duck then there's no ambiguity at all – it's a duck. Madoka uses her weapon as a bow, it looks like a bow, and all media refers to it as a bow. Therefore it's a bow. I really don't see what's so complicated about that. You can try to strike down "it looks like a bow" if you want, but that doesn't ruin the argument. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also want to add that media use "bow" because that's the way she uses her staff. She uses her staff as a bow. It's so clearly a staff. Amaterasu (talk) 18:57, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- I do want to rollback what I said. I think it's so obviously a staff that I cannot understand where any confusion comes from. I don't agree that its "unstrung" in any way, it literally becomes a bow. Amaterasu (talk) 18:44, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Setting Ultimate Madoka aside for a moment, I can't really agree that it's "hard to tell". Everything I can see about regular Madoka seems to unambiguously show it to be a bow, albeit frequently unstrung; and according to EPF, all official materials call it a bow. To me, that's sufficient to state unambiguously that it's a bow. Even if the art were ambiguous, the fact of all official materials calling it a bow would, to me, be sufficient to resolve the ambiguity. (In fact, that argument probably applies to Ultimate Madoka, where the art indeed looks ambiguous.) If you want to claim that it's a bow and a staff, I guess that would be okay (it's absolutely true, because a bow has a staff), though I think that should probably only be brought up if she actually ever uses it in a way unbefitting of a bow. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:48, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm getting tired of fighting, so I'd like to end it here. The conclusion that I see having been reached is "It's a bow, but it's hard to tell." Is that wrong? Amaterasu (talk) 16:18, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- To me, it's clearly a staff in these images. I can accept that its ambiguous and hard to whether it is a staff/bow. Amaterasu (talk) 16:15, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's a fantasy bow, so it's hard for me to take such a thing as proof. To me, it doesn't seem that weird at all if a fantasy bow transforms when strung. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- The transformation that the staff undergoes when it becomes a bow disproves the "unstrung bow" theory for me, but I understand if its not as conclusive for others. Amaterasu (talk) 16:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)