User talk:SuzuneMU

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Edits by User:AmanoSuzune are also me, I didn't connect an email address and then forgot my password like an idiot. Here is a page for you to create Null Magical Girl. Lemme know want you wanna rename the page if that won't work for you. Sondenise (talk) 23:54, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Tabs

There are still a few issues with it that probably need custom JavaScript (and thus 0x99, as I don't have permission to edit MediaWiki:Common.js) to solve, but I threw together a tabbed interface that pretty much works. See Template:Tab Content for details. (It also relies on all that new code I added to MediaWiki:Common.css.) ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I even went and worked out what the JS would need to look like. You can even test it using your developer console by navigating to that page and pasting this JS into the console. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Warning, this section contains spoilers. 
// This makes sure the 1st tab is hilited if and only if no other tabs are
function checkTabsOnHashChange(evt) {
  $("div.tabs > div:first-child").each(function() {
    if($(this).siblings(":target").length == 0) {
      $(this).addClass("default")
    } else {
      $(this).removeClass("default")
    }
  })
}

// Run the above function on page load and whenever the page hash changes
$(window)
.ready(checkTabsOnHashChange)
.bind('hashchange', checkTabsOnHashChange);
Thank you! There seem to be a few visual glitches that should be ironed out, but this looks perfect for the intended use case of transcluding a bunch of alts' specific data onto one "Gameplay" page! SuzuneMU (talk) 15:09, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Now that I think of it, I'm not entirely sure that only 0x99 can edit MediaWiki:Common.js. Maybe Sondenise also has permission? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:31, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
For reference, since I don't forget, I also worked out a way to handle a case where there are too many tabs to fit on the screen. The CSS is already added (it wasn't much), but this JS would also be needed to fully support it:
Warning, this section contains spoilers. 
$(window).ready(function() {

$("div.tabs > .tab-nav ~ div > a")[0].style.marginLeft = "1.6em";
$("div.tabs > .tab-nav.left").each(function() {
  var interval;
  var self = this
  $(this).on('mousedown', function(evt) {
    interval = setInterval(function() {
      var tabs = $(self).nextAll().children("a");
      if(tabs.last().position().left <= 200) return;
      tabs.offset(function(i, coords){
        coords.left -= 5;
        return coords;
      });
    }, 10);
  });
  $(this).on('mouseup', function(evt) {
    clearInterval(interval);
  });
});
$("div.tabs > .tab-nav.right").each(function() {
  var interval;
  var self = this
  $(this).on('mousedown', function(evt) {
    interval = setInterval(function() {
      var tabs = $(self).nextAll().children("a");
      if(tabs.first().position().left >= 0) return;
      tabs.offset(function(i, coords){
        coords.left += 5;
        return coords;
      });
    }, 10);
  });
  $(this).on('mouseup', function(evt) {
    clearInterval(interval);
  });
});

});

Cleanup Project

Why are you moving the original Madoka page and replacing it with one that is entirely Magia Record focused? I mean, I like the table at the top with the variants, but this wiki is for the ENTIRE Madoka franchise, including the original anime and the spin-off series / games. It doesn't make sense to move the old page and replace it with just the Magia Record page since that is only one aspect of the entire franchise. If you want to clean up or reformat the original while keeping the bulk of the information, then I'm all for it but not to be replacing it with just the game's version of Madoka. Sondenise (talk) 02:24, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I second this. This is a wiki for the whole series. While I appreciate the work you attempted to do, you may want to focus that on the Magia Record pages. PureChaos (talk) 03:21, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
I think it wasn't a bad idea conceptually. There were some problems, but the idea of bundling the various units of each girl into subpages and showing them with a tabbed interface was a good one. Perhaps sketch out an outline on one of your user subpages, then once it's ready, apply it to (for example) Kuroe's pages? If it works out well there, it could then be applied to all the Magia Record exclusive girls (which I'd be willing to help with – it's a pretty big task!), and then we can discuss how to handle girls who aren't exclusive to Magia Record. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:17, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
A couple additional notes:
  1. I think perhaps the Template:WIP (Cleanup Project) should be a subpage of your user page, as it's not a "generally useful" template.
  2. I think Memoria Cards should not be placed in a tabbed interface; when I tried it in my WIP tabbed interface they did not look good. We can easily make them start out collapsed though just by editing Template:Magia Record Memoria Header to add the mw-collapsed class.
  3. Putting them in page names and as an aside somewhere is fine, but I think unit IDs are not something that deserve to be displayed prominently to the player.
  4. I think it would be good to put MGS and costume story summaries in something similar to the spoilerbox – see Madoka Magica Portable for an example.
~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 14:00, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
  • I agree with your suggestion to move the Template and have now done so.
  • This is the story wiki, while the wikia is the gameplay wiki; I feel that the current model of putting MGS and costume story summaries at top level, but nothing else, is a bit disingenuous, and we should strive to treat all story content that a character is involved in with equal weight. Using Kuroe's page as an example, literally the entire story section is about her MSS, which (a) is confusing since the MSS in question is divided between true and anime continuities, and (b) ignores the existence of Little Bird's Star and Rainbow-Colored Summer.
  • Regarding the use of tabs, I was indeed planning on leaving the memoria list outside of the tab space; see Nanoha Takamachi/Gameplay for a simple example.
SuzuneMU (talk) 15:45, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
The reason I did it like that is that the Magia Record and PMMM versions of Madoka are separate characters. The page for "Ultimate Madoka" would, when completed, contain info for Rebellion/Oriko's version. This would only be extended to Madoka and Homura, since they're the only ones whose true timeline counterparts and LoC timeline counterparts are treated as separate characters in this way; the variants table would otherwise be for, say, regular Tsuruno and the AI Tsuruno from Angels in the Road. (So, for instance, Oriko's page would contain both the events of Sadness Prayer and the events of her Magia Record event in this paradigm.) SuzuneMU (talk) 15:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
I more or less agree that there's not enough attention to the story and description sections of magical girl pages. Trying to find actual details about the character is quite difficult because nothing summarizes those details on each page.
Regarding Madoka/Homura being separate characters from their Magia Record versions – yes, that makes sense. However, as this wiki covers the entire franchise, the main Madoka Kaname and Homura Akemi pages should obviously put their role in the original series above anything else. The Ultimate Madoka and Akuma Homura pages don't make sense as the home of the characters in the original anime series. That's not the character we're following throughout the series; it's just what they become at the end of the series and the end of Rebellion, respectively. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:36, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
Alright, here's my thoughts on all of this:
  • A separate tab for memorias would be nice, especially as the game keeps going and the more central, main characters get more and more memoria. (or at the very least we can put it in a collapsible table.
  • As for Kuroe, she probably needs a separate page for her anime original self and the one that was later introduced into the game. On that I definitely agree since we have separate pages for most of the anime characters and then the game versions of those characters (for characters originating in an anime. Characters originating in the game should just stay on their game pages.)
  • More details on the girls would be nice (even if we can just get the summaries for their MSS and costume stories) but mostly it's just a question of who has the time to sit down, watch the translated videos on the Magireco Union Translations youtube channel and writing out a summary. It's not that we don't have the translations available, it's more of a question of having the time to do it.
  • Separately, I agree with Celtic overall: if SuzuneMU can get a good example to show us what they intend, we can tweak it out and then start applying it to some of the other pages.
  • I don't know that we would want to make just one page for each character and their alts (because Godoka only knows how many Iroha and Yachiyo alts there'll be), but a table at the top that links to their alts would be beneficial rather than just the "See also" section. I don't want to lose or replace the alt pages entirely, since it's not just a question of their mechanics, but oftentimes an alt (especially the swimsuit ones) end up being featured in other events and I don't want to make it hard to navigate to those pages.
  • Also, yes, I now have permissions to edit mediawiki common css page, so if you need to make changes to that and find you don't have access, let me know on my userpage and I'll get to it.

That's just my two cents, but I would prefer we all be on the same page more or less because doing any major changes.Sondenise (talk) 00:24, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding edit permissions: 0x99 already opened editing of MediaWiki:Common.css to (nearly) anyone, but based on Special:UserGroupRights it looks like MediaWiki:Common.js (the one I need here) is still restricted to 0x99 only.
I already made the memoria table collapsible back when I reworked memorias. It's also easy to make it collapsed by default if we want that.
About the alts, from what I can tell the intent was not to delete the alt pages entirely, but just remove redundant info from them and then transclude them into the main page (using tabs). I can see that it could become problematic if there are a vast number of alts, I suppose. I don't personally think there's a reason to have two separate Kuroe pages (one for her anime version and one for her game verison), but I suppose we could. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

That little table you had

Hi, Suzune! I am asking you because I'm looking through the pages history and cannot find it. On your Madoka KAname in Magia Record page revision, there was a table at the top of it that was actually quite good and useful. Do you remember the way you made it and, if so, could I use it as well for the Magia Record characters pages? Amaterasu (talk) 15:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

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