User talk:Mutopis

I was just passing by and took a little glimpse at your impressive KyoSaya gallery and... well. I'm not a yuri fan, I'm just a normal human and I did not happen to step upon the mysterious Yuri Goggles. But I kinda understand you guys - but there's one thing I don't understand. Why the heck on all those doujins Kyouko is in the "male" role? I mean, Sayaka seems more of such tomboy, with her short hair and all... I know Kyouko has stronger personality, but...
ehm...
OK, I tried to imagine confident Sayaka in suit and blushing Kyouko in wedding dress and it just didn't feel right :D
But maybe it's worth asking - do such "reverse" KyoSaya (or should I call it SayaKyo) doujins exist? --KFYatek 19:12, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Kyouko is the experienced, independent woman who has an obvious interest in Sayaka, and Sayaka is the confused teenage girl who's playing hard to get, and Kyouko beat Sayaka up in a fight, so it's only natural that she'd take the lead. Kyouko has a history of being direct and even overly aggressive, while Sayaka can't even bring herself to confess her feelings. Of course, the real test is genderswapping. Kyouko would be a perfectly normal male character. In fact, she'd fit right into any typical shoujo romance as the bad boy whose hidden heart of gold can be saved by the heroine. Sayaka, on the other hand, acts like a real teenage girl. Man-Sayaka x Kyouko would be worthy of comparisons to Natsuru, while Kyou-kun x Sayaka is straight out of any romance novel. Disclaimer: I'm not into KyoSaya, I just came here to speculah. --KM

What KM said. Plus Kyouko as a Bad Boy is so easy to identity. And with the whole Sayaka as a mermaid, it is easy to see Kyouko as the "Bad Boy Prince" coming to her rescue. I am not aware of any doujins as of yet but I am keeping an eye on it to see what they are making. --Mutopis 22:51, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

You'll probably find Sayaka in that position if you look for MadoSaya. It is rather amusing, if we consider her position essentially reverses with Kyouko. Just another proof that everything is relative, I guess. BrickBreak 23:41, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

File:Beware_of_flying_buckets.png and File:SHAFTing_comic.png - what comic is this and where can I find more of it? Also, where did you find a typeset version of File:Super dimentional girl homu homu.png? I could only find Japanese original on danbooru with translation in annotations... --KFYatek 11:24, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

It's probably wild-words... Oh wait, you mean the typesetted comics? There's a few of us that been making them, and you can almost always find a copy of it somewhere on the /u/ general threads. - 76.172.48.24 12:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

got them from /u/, there is also someone from lazyedits that takes translations from danbooru and edit them. But most of my stuff I always get them from /u/ --Mutopis 19:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Question: among your fanwork dives, have you ever found anything with Sayaka fighting Oktavia? --BrickBreak 09:14, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

No, most of the Sayaka/Oktavia arts that include these two usually reflects Sayaka's breakdown and loosing to Oktavia like this one [1] or sometimes it just an art of two of them [2] but I dont think I have ever seeing Sayaka fighting her witch form. I do remember seeing Madoka fighting a gretchen but she was in human form (I think she was more of Dark Madoka) --Mutopis 09:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh :( I guess Madoka artists prefer to further the clues given by the anime than to reimagine it. Then again, I guess that's perfectly normal.
It's just something that's been bothering me for a while. The transformation from Puella to witch seems nearly instantaneous, it's hard to believe that the witch forms from nothing just like that. Therefore, I think it's very likely that, just as a girl's powers are determined when she contracts, her witch form must be as well: future experiences may affect certain detail, but not completely change it, as seen with Sayaka. And thus, if such a thing lives inside a Puella, I'd like to imagine that they'd put up a fight, even if destined to lose, even if only for a second, and even if only inside their subconscious/soul, to prevent it from taking control of their soul.
Hmm. Gotta post this speculah somewhere. Anyway, it'd be great to see some fanart of that :) --BrickBreak 17:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Freaking shot in the dark, but does anyone know if there was a Yes We Can Madoka version? I could swear I remember seeing one... Anyone? --Mutopis 23:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Nope, but here's a lame attempt at one. --BrickBreak 00:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Ok, that just depressing, she looks sad in it... --Mutopis 00:27, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

:( Well, in my defense, I am pretty sure the shots you uploaded weren't made with obamiconme.com. I just lack any skills to do something like that by hand. --BrickBreak 00:41, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

That's ok, would try find it later --Mutopis 00:45, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Left you a message at MAL, can you check it please? :) --BrickBreak 07:57, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I did --Mutopis 08:00, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again with this again, but, well, you're the man, when it comes to artwork :)
Can you tell me if you've seen the art that was used for this around? Thanks :) --BrickBreak 15:31, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. My last production might be relevant to your interests, although... romance isn't really my forte :P --BrickBreak 02:34, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I have a question, I would like you to answer. http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Scary_madokami.jpg Did you make this picture? If yes do you allow this http://pie5525.deviantart.com/art/madokami-245484455, if not then I`ll just take it off. If you didn't make it, who made it, I have to like give confirmation. Thank you~--YouHasBeenEaten

Preeeeeety sure the reason you liked that Agnus Dei was because of Madokami, but nonetheless, as an Ace Combat fanboy, I gotta sell my version :) --BrickBreak 12:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Nice to see a fan of the yuri vibes between my two favourite Madoka characters. I must say, Sayaka's lack of reaction to someone who clearly cares for her a lot is only matched in weirdness by her huge reaction to someone who didn't appear to give a crap about her at all. Maybe if Kyoko hit people with a violin rather than a spear, things would be different. Bersayaka 00:17, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

If she did that, she would have to fight off Sayaka to be able to finish her job killing witches, worst, Hitomi may actually have a violin fetish and would try to steal Kyoko too! --Mutopis 00:48, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

I deleted the following part from characterization in the "Kaname Madoka" page "...However, Kyubey knows that Madoka's motives would be selfish in nature so it would twist her wish. Which is why Madoka realizes that her thinking was incorrect in the beginning and contemplates what to do to save Homura and her town in Episode 11. Madoka goes from wanting to be selfless for selfish reasons to wanting to be selfless for selflessness itself. By removing Madoka's selfish desire from her wish, she literally removes her self and her physical presence as a consequence."

I don't think Madoka had wanted to be selfless for selfish reasons.

At least, that is just a opinion, and it is not generally approved, so it shouldn't appear on a wiki page. Also, I made some other edit on that page, if you don't think they should be edited, please talk to me.--SayakaMadoka 07:59, 25 Sep 2011 (UTC)

It's OK if you put them in the speculation section, thank you for doing that for me, I couldn't do that myself because I was sleeping.

However, I still don't think it's good to say Madoka has become an "adult". In the anime, so called "maturity" is metaphorized as, essentially, corruption. When one becomes an adult, most likely he becomes a minion, a witch or a person whose true heart is blinded that he cannot resonant with other people and the power of the light side(hope, selfless love...). So it's OK to say Madoka grows up as herself but it's not good to say that she has become an adult, since most adults are called adults only because they're essentially corrupted. In a sense, you can say Madoka's maturity is the maturity of a person with the purist soul, but that wouldn't be necessary, and we should avoid using the words that are associated with "maturity", "adult" is one of them. Madoka is the avatar of hope, she does everything because of the pure hope and good will, not because of some inferior conscious thoughts of responsibility, but a realization of her heart, the core of her soul, her subconsciousness, which is deep inside her.

I'm not going to delete that since it's in the speculation section, but allow me to add what I said in the second paragraph in the speculation section as well.--SayakaMadoka 17:17, 25 Sep 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with what you said. Madoka is not becoming someone like her mother, he mother is a good woman, but she's corrupted as well, only the soul of a young girl like Madoka, can be really pure. None of those girls are truly selfish, everyone, including the people who are very selfless, have selfish desires, but that doesn't make them selfish people. All the puella magi in the anime, are the ones whose nature is much more selfless than most people, they have the purist souls. The corruption doesn't just refer to the corruption of girls of adolescence, but all the people. It's not a metaphor of young girls, but of the whole humanity, every single human being on earth. This anime shows us that, the so called "maturity" in our world, is essentially corruption. People were naive children with pure souls, filled with hope, selfless love and compassion at the beginning, but they were eventually corrupted to become the so called "adults", who are essentially minions, witches or people whose true hearts blinded. The ones with purest souls, like the puella magi in the anime, they're the ones who are taking the greatest damage and corruption from the evil of the society, and they're the ones who are corrupted into witches (As metaphorized in the Bible, the arch-devils are fallen angels. In the anime, the purer the soul is, the stronger the magical power). The ones whose souls are not so pure, would eventually become the common adults(people whose true heart blinded) or the minions of the witches. Also, I have said, conscious thoughts of responsibility is inferior, it is only a rough projection of hope and selfless love deep inside our subconsciousness, it is not to be followed. Madoka's heart resonant with hope, that's the power that leads her, not any conscious thoughts - only what's deep inside us is true, in a sense, all words are fake, since they can never completely describe what our true heart(subconsciousness) is like(the last sentence in the ending song Magia, "My feelings are all I rely upon, what creates my life, is this, wish.", it is the feeling that is to be followed, not any conscicous thoughts).

This is a very strong, beautiful and heart-touching metaphor, I hope you can see it. This is, as I said, one of the most important metaphors in the anime, which reveals us the corruption of the heart of humanity, and, behind it, a world hurrying to its ruin. If you can't see what I see, it's OK, I'm not going to edit anything on that page now(since they're in the speculation section), if you do see what I see however, I hope to edit it in the way I would like to. --SayakaMadoka 21:17, 25 Sep 2011 (UTC)

Madoka's maturity, as I said, is different from the maturity of becoming an adult(which is essentially being corrupted), it is the true maturity. Also as I've already said, we should avoid using words associated with "maturity", like "adult", "adulthood", these words are of negative meaning in the anime(and in fact, essentially, in our world as well). We should merely say that she "grows up".--SayakaMadoka 21:30, 25 Sep 2011 (UTC)

I said I'm not going to delete anything now, unless you agree with what I said. I deleted things without telling any one at first is because this is the first time I write on a wiki page, sorry about that. If I'm going to delete anything in the future, I'm going to propose it first.--SayakaMadoka 21:42, 25 Sep 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your respecting me though you disagree with me.--SayakaMadoka 00:54, 26 September 2011 (UTC) It has been edited.--SayakaMadoka 01:20, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

All wishes gets twisted, but it might not be twisted because of the selfishness, and for Madoka, it may only be twisted after her being turned into a witch, that's what I mean. Since Madoka hasn't become a witch in the first lap, I will delete that statement, it has been some time since I watched the 10th episode so I didn't remember.--SayakaMadoka 16:08, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

By the way, do you agree with my other statements? I want to know whether I have convinced you or not...--SayakaMadoka 16:18, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Have you watched a movie named "Equilibrium"? It is a very good movie, I think maybe you will like it since you like this anime. I watched it yesterday.--SayakaMadoka 16:25, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Also, thank you very much for proof reading what I wrote, as you may have already noticed, English is not my first language... My ability to write in English is quite limited now, but it is going to be improved bit by bit.--SayakaMadoka 16:46, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Did Kyubey say that the twisted wishes caused the puellae magi to become witches? Or did he just say that all wishes gets twisted? And if twisted wishes caused the puellae magi to become witches, is it true that the wishes are twisted because of selfishness? Can you find any evidence? This is what is in the "Episode 11" page: "He(Kyubey) refuses to admit his own fault in the cruelty of the magical girl system, claiming that the wishes of girls in question are to be blamed as any wish can be twisted by its own logic." This doesn't mean it is always the twisted wishes that cause the girls to become witches, this only indicates a possibility of that, maybe very often it is the case, but he didn't say it is always the case. There are certain wishes that we can think of are hard to be twisted (example: I want a big delicious cake), and is it true if a Puella Magi makes that kind of wish she would never be turned into a witch?--SayakaMadoka 01:59, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

"Also I do not believe you have proven your statement that Madoka's wish never gets twisted"

I didn't claim that her wishes never get twisted, I simply claimed that the twisted wishes are not the causes but the consequences of her being turned into a witch.--SayakaMadoka 01:46, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

So, are you indicating that no girl would truly make a wish like getting a cake? What if a girl really make a wish like that? Will she never become a witch? And please give some replies to the other things that I said here. --SayakaMadoka 02:28, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

"Did anyone in the anime series was truly happy of getting their wishes? Mami didnt, Sayaka didnt, Kyoko didnt. Homura was on her way because she kept failing to save Madoka." That's true, that's why I said maybe most of the time it is the case, but maybe it is not always true(that the girls get twisted because of the twisted wishes), there is no proof for its certainty isn't it?--SayakaMadoka 02:35, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

"So, are you indicating that no girl would truly make a wish like getting a cake? What if a girl really make a wish like that? Will she never become a witch?" I'm not talking about Madoka, I'm talking about a random Puella Magi. And I'm not talking about a wish of getting a cake, but all wishes like that(that cannot be easily twisted).--SayakaMadoka 02:39, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

"I am saying if a person makes a wish, no matter how simple or complex, at the end, because of the logic of the wish, the person will become unhappy."

Yes, that's true. But think about it, there is a possibility of that, the person becomes unhappy in the end only because of that the wish had turned her into a Puella Magi and she has to face the darkness and corruption, and it is the darkness and corruption that the Puella Magi has to face turned her into a witch. In this case, the content of the wish has nothing to do with her becoming a witch, the only thing that the wish does that cause her to become a witch is that it makes her a Puella Magi(that's the only thing that the wish does that distorts the reality).--SayakaMadoka 03:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

"I hope you are not saying that becoming a Puella Magi is the only act that distorts reality." You didn't read what I wrote carefully. I said at the beginning "there is a possibility of that". Please read carefully.--SayakaMadoka 03:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Relevant to your interest?

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Gender bender, Kyuko as a guy/prince. Nice, I still prefer yuri. --Mutopis 01:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Better?

yes! :3 --Mutopis 21:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

That some cute it makes me want to barf rainbows xD --BrickBreak 22:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

2chan chart

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2chan can really give you mixed emotions.

Moefication of Philosophers

I be damn...--Mutopis 22:04, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

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