Talk:Magia Record Units

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I think it's done. I separated some units by types of holiday/event they were released on (like Christmas and Halloween). I think we should do this to Kiokus too, idk I like it T-T. I have some questions though? Do the Everlasting Darkness forms count as Halloween units? they were released in October and no other halloween themed units came out that year. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:19, 10 May 2026 (UTC)

I think they could count, yes, but I'm not really sure... wasn't that actually a romance-themed event? Or am I confusing it with another one? (Thinking of the event that introduced Harumi Shioya.) ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:09, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
Can I change all the icons here to not have the frames? I don't mind them as much on the characters page, but here they really annoy me T-T. I could also just upload them as separate images and keep the framed ones on Magia Record Characters, while units gets the ones without frames. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 07:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
Could you upload the blank frames as separate images, with transparent centre? Then we can overlay them for the characters page and leave them out for the units page. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 19:08, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
I should be able to get the frames by just copying one corner and repeating it? The better way would be to ask either User:Sondenise or User:The Witch's House, cause from when I was changing the unit only icons, I saw that they were the ones who were adding the frames. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:18, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
No, if you look closely, the frame has edges all the way around. So, what you'd need to do (if Sondenise or The Witch's House don't step up with the originals) would be to pick an icon that touches the frame as little as possible and carefully cut out everything except the frame, possibly even pixel by pixel for the diagonal parts. (Also, don't forget that there are 3 or 4 variants of the frame in different colours.) ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 19:21, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
Okay I did it. I'm sure if you zoom into the pink one you'll see pixels that look weird, but theyre not THAT visible... Also they are different sizes, the gold and white one are the same but the pink one is bigger. I think it still would be good if someone who has the original images would upload them as new versions of these - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:55, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
  • Used for original characters
    Used for original characters
  • Used for characters from other media
    Used for characters from other media
  • Used for crossover characters
    Used for crossover characters
I changed all the icons to not have the frames. When you make the frame overlay in a template (I suggest just doing on the simple character cell), make sure to make it so that the frame doesn't show up on Characters, as there is no point in separating the characters when only original characters will show up anyway. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:55, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
Rather than not showing the frames on Characters, I'd say we should make the other character pages also use the new frame system I added to the template. In fact, some of them already do – baked in like the Magireco ones were, but still. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:47, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
I was about to protest, but lowkey this isn't that bad of an idea. But it would need a lot of changes to make it work. First of all, ALL character pages should ONLY use icons, I've changed a lot of them to use icons some time ago, but this would include even the mobage characters and the suzune characters. Then (imo) we should change from "Simple Character Cell" to just "Character Cell", just because this is no longer simple T-T (Same goes for Witch character cell, where imo it should just be "Monster", but... I don't see anything wrong with just fusing both and making the familiars row either use description or just have a parameter that only they should use, as really that's the only different thing about Witch Character Cell). We would also need more frames, atleast for Witches Uwasa and Kimochi. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 08:46, 12 May 2026 (UTC)


I also tried extracting the frames used for Oriko and Tart Magica characters on their respective pages. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:20, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

I forgot about these, now that I think about it, should we have unique frames for every type of media? In my opinion its a good idea, but we'd need someone who can draw them. This would immediately defeat the need of the pink one, as the characters that are from other media would already have their original frames. There are a lot of issues though, like would Witches just use those too, or have separate versions? I imagine they would be based off the media's logo. If we go through with this, I think we should split them like this:
  1. Madoka Magica
    1. Rebellion
    2. Walpurgisnacht Rising
    3. Mobage (I dont think it has a unique logo though?)
  2. Oriko Magica
    1. Sadness Prayer (optional, and I'd rather not separate them)
  3. Kazumi Magica
  4. Tart Magica
  5. Suzune Magica
  6. Magia Record
    1. Arc 2 (optional)
    2. Puella Historia (optional, and I don't think it has a unique logo)
    3. Scene 0
  7. Null Magical Girl
  8. Magia Exedra
    1. Crescent Memoria

I think this could come out nicely, but it would require someone to draw a lot, I could try but I don't trust myself enough tbh. Also take a look at my Sandbox Page, I have an example of what I said last time. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 13:41, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

Your outline is definitely way over the top. It's absolutely not worth separating out Scene 0 for example, since that's just 4 new characters. Similarly, Rebellion only adds one new character. So, I wouldn't do any of the subcategories you mentioned except maaaybe Puella Historia (but even then, it's probably easier not to). This would mean we'd only need to create 4 more frames:
  1. Madoka Magica
    • Since NMG is tiny and barely adds any new characters, I think we might as well just use the same frame for it too.
  2. Kazumi Magica
  3. Suzune Magica
  4. Magia Exedra
    • For now, only the Crescent Memoria characters fit
    • I think I'd base this one on the Magia Record frames, as it could allow us to just reuse those frames for characters in Magia Exedra that aren't original to it
Another side note: the frame currently used for Oriko Magica would probably be more appropriate for Tart Magica, since it has the fleur-de-lis symbol in the corners. As for witches and other beings – the frames you already made are probably fine for Magia Record, and we can do something similar for the others. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:08, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
In my opinion even the current icons have to be changed, the current Magia Record one looks like its just based off a soul gem, and while I think it fits if we used it everywhere, nothing about it gives off Magia Record. And like you said, the Oriko one has the fleur-de-lis symbol, which doesn't make sense for Oriko Magica at all??? At most the Tart Magica one seems okay, but again nothing about it really says Tart Magica. I still think NMG and Scene 0 deserve frames, but its dependant on how hard to make they are, cause if they are, then yeah we should probably just skip them. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:15, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
I was just saying hat NMG and Scene 0 don't need unique frames. They can use the same frames as Madoka Magica and Magia Record, respectively. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:17, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
I mean yeah I don't see anything wrong with Scene 0 characters using Magireco frames, but NMG characters using Madomagi frames still would feel wrong. Also... I tried designing a Magireco frame (Its uploaded on the wiki), and I don't really like it. Imo its way too vibrant, even if I think it's a good representation of the logo. I have no idea how to properly design them I fear T-T, like should I follow a basic template and just add little decorations? Should I make them all as unique as possible? And what colors to use (cause the Record one uses the logo's colors and its still too vibrant). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 09:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
I'm making icons for characters and found this image File:Tart3characters.jpg, so the Tart frames aren't fanmade, just noting it here. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
Now I found another thing - the fluer de lis on the Oriko frames is a symbol that appears on the Sadness Prayer covers, for ex: File:Oriko sadness prayer cover.jpg. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:39, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
Oh, so I guess there actually was a good reason for someone to use it for the Oriko Magica frame. Interesting. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:25, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Returning to the earlier discussion regarding unit categorization:In my opinion, the Everlasting Darkness versions should not be classified as Halloween units. The primary reason is that the ED forms are integral to the Main Story, unlike seasonal variants which are typically self-contained event stories. If we were to categorize units strictly based on their release dates, it would lead to several logical inconsistencies. For instance, Kyoko (Doppel) would be labeled a Valentine’s unit, and all Uwasa units would be split into various seasonal categories simply because of when they were added to the game, regardless of their actual character concept. Regarding other seasonal categories, I believe Yachiyo (Tanabata) and Kagome (Demon Parade) should be classified as Summer units because their story themes are inherently tied to summer. If the current "Summer" category is intended to only include swimsuit variants, it might be more accurate to rename the category to "Swimsuit units" instead.

Additionally, I’ve noticed that the Unit pages and Character pages (including those for Magia Exedra) currently have inconsistent standards for classifying content under "Main Story" vs. "Side Story." Should we aim to unify these classification systems across all related pages to ensure better consistency? - Hilbert88 (talk) 13:54, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

I moved the two to summer units, as separating swimsuit units from summer units is like separating [Vampire Kanagi] and [Vampire Yuna & Juri] from Halloween. Also do Fairytale Yachiyo and Fairytale Mifuyu count as christmas units?
About the Main Story thing, the Units page and Kiokus page have it like that because of IDs. I remember the Magireco characters being moved a lot before, because of things like Asuka not being as important as the other girls, same for Karin, and characters like Sakurako being considered "side story" by the IDs. So the Character pages are way more subjective, while the unit page follows the IDs. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 14:05, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
Holy Alina and Holy Mami both appeared in MS while being super evidently Christmas units. And Everlasting Darkness units were released with a Halloween event: https://magireco.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Halloween_is_The_Color_of_Love!%3F_~Connect:_The_East-West_Frontline_of_Love!~ https://magireco.fandom.com/wiki/Halloween_Magical_Girls_(2022)_Paid_Limited_Step-up_Gacha Fairytale ver. units are also Christmas https://magireco.fandom.com/wiki/Christmas_Magical_Girls_(2022)_Paid_Limited_Step-up_Gacha EPF (talk) 08:33, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
What exactly about the two Holy units is Christmas themed? If I think about it I can probably acknowledge that there seems to be some influence, but no way would I say that it's "super obvious", and I wouldn't consider them Christmas units even with that influence – because their role in the main story (and Alina's side story IIRC) is not Christmas-like at all. (I am aware that Holy Alina was featured in an actual Christmas event, but that's more of a minor side story, not the main focus of the unit.) ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:31, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
If we look at the timeline, Holy Mami and Holy Alina actually debuted in the first two years' Christmas events (Christmas at Mikazuki Villa and Alina Is Coming to Town ~White Christmas Rhapsody~) before they ever appeared in the Main Story. However, their roles in the Main Story are arguably far more significant than their roles in those seasonal event stories. The same logic applies to the Everlasting Darkness versions of Kanagi and Mitama. Their primary significance comes from the Main Story Arc 2, where they are influenced by the Kimochi. Even though they were released during a Halloween event, their importance in the overarching plot far outweighs that seasonal association.
Therefore, it seems contradictory to categorize the ED forms as "Halloween units" based on their release date, while not applying the same standard to Holy Mami, Holy Alina, or even Uwasa Mikoto (who was also released during a Christmas event). -Hilbert88 (talk) 19:23, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
I'm starting to lean into putting the Holy units into christmas honestly. I mean this banner calls Doppel Kyoko a Valentine Magical Girl, yet her form has nothing to do with Valentines really. The thing is - this is just a units page, it's focused way more on game info than on story relevance, that's why I think it's okay to have separate "main characters" on the characters vs units page. I mean this banner just screams it at you. I'm still not sure about Uwasa Mikoto though. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:56, 14 May 2026 (UTC)
I'd lean towards plot relevance taking priority, for the most part. But, I suppose if it's only the units page, I could accept them being classified as Christmas units. (I'm actually curious now what point the main story has reached at the time of the first Christmas event…) ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 22:44, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Why are we doing those frames...? I don't think they were ever officially used? Are they reallllllllllllly necessary? They kinda look bad for the Null Mahou Shoujo character list. EPF (talk) 08:33, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

On that page specifically I think they look good, since they fit into the orange coloration of the manga, but that's not the point- We're planning on getting new frames, different for each media, so the current ones are temporary. If you think they just shouldn't be shown until we have the new ones made, we can just hide them on the template page. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 08:48, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Side Stories

I don't plan on doing this right now, but I wanna add enemies to these pages so that the enemy pages have listed in which Magical Girl quests they appear in, but that would only clutter up the pages more. My idea is to create subpages of the unit pages like: Magia Record Unit - Iroha Tamaki/Story, that would keep the unit's side story and costume stories. The unit pages would just look for it with a template, and link to it. Two more things- I'll probably make the unit pages list all unique memoria as while most have just 1 some have more and Iroha has 6 T_T. And the other thing is that they shouldn't be created until all the pages get moved to different names (Magia Record Units/Iroha Tamaki -> Magia Record Unit - Iroha Tamaki). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:14, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Thumb

I want to convert this page to use the Character section templates just like the Kiokus, so I wanted to create a unique thumb for them that changes their icon to the star you hover over (see here on my sandbox page). I really like it but the css feels like kinda too much (all on here), could somebody try to simplify it? Should I abandon the idea? Or is the current css okay to use? - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:25, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

Dunno about the complicated-ness of the CSS, but it looks super cool. I just wonder though, what is it like on mobile? EPF (talk) 17:46, 29 September 2026 (UTC)
There's no real difference on mobile, at most it could be harder to click on the stars (though on citizen mobile its easy). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:56, 29 September 2026 (UTC)
This is truly amazing (please go with current CSS, it looks fine to me!). -- 0x99 (talk) 17:57, 29 September 2026 (UTC)
Why did Template:Character section just turn into a link? Is there too much in it or did I mess something up. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 23:07, 29 September 2026 (UTC)
Okay it has Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded, so would separating it into two character sections fix it? - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 23:09, 29 September 2026 (UTC)
It still breaks... Idk what to do pls help T^T. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 23:12, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

Okay I deleted the star slider or whatever to call it so that the template doesnt have to render so much on this page, but that does mean the best feature about it is gone... The only way to bring it back is making the code of the template way smaller, but right now I can't think of a way without rendering every rarity icon+frame (Theyre just set to display: none; usually, but I dont think that helps much as it still overloaded the page). Please help _ _". - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:00, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? It was all working perfectly for me before you deleted that though… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:38, 30 September 2026 (UTC)
If you mean the template itself, then yeah it wasn't broken. What broke was Magia Record Units, as it had way too much rendered stuff, and the templates just turned into links instead of actually working (not that the code on the page was too much, but when the code got rendered it was too big, it also got Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded). That's why the template needs a remake that makes it smaller but still functional, because we shouldnt really split this page into subpages. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:00, 30 September 2026 (UTC)
No, I don't mean the template itself. I mean this page (Magia Record Units) was working fine for me without any issues. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:50, 30 September 2026 (UTC)
Wait you're right, I brought it back and it doesn't have that problem anymore?????????? This might have been because of 0x99 updating the max template size? But if you didn't see the problem before then I have no idea what that was about, I guess crisis averted lol. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:02, 30 September 2026 (UTC)
Oh sorry didn't noticed this. I think this is the rare case where turning Template:Character section into /Header and /Footer would help. For the time being, I've bumped max template size to 4096. It should render now (if it doesn't exceed 4MB) -- 0x99 (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2026 (UTC)
I don't think it would really help? The problem is how much is rendered on the page, so if we separate it the sub templates will break down instead, I guess its okay to try it out though. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:16, 30 September 2026 (UTC)
I think 4MB should be plenty, let me try to find a way to optimize this later. (Also I just noticed it's not a transclusion limit but article limit, yeah, I think trying to optimize this is the only way to go...) -- 0x99 (talk) 18:21, 30 September 2026 (UTC)
Brought the bigger template back and it works???????? Was it actually because of you changing the max template size? Because Celtic is saying it was never broken for them. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:02, 30 September 2026 (UTC)
Yeah, probably because of max article size. The default was 2,097,152 bytes article as of right now it's 2,070,085, so there was a chance that when you tried there were something that tripped over that last few bytes.
Raising it to 4 MB should allow us to have double of this capacity. Still best to not exceed 2MB though, so let me find some way to optimize this. Template argument size is 1.4MB against so that's also OK. (I thought this was the one that tripped earlier, rather than the post-expand size.)
(p.s. if something is broken and I didn't respond in time or didn't noticed, feel free to ping me in my talk page.) -- 0x99 (talk) 04:17, 1 October 2026 (UTC)
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