Template talk:Magia Record Stats/test

Magireco Magia levels were independent of stars, they were upgraded separately. It was possible to have a 5* Magia lvl. 1 Iroha, and vice versa. A 5* lv1, 4* lv1, 5* lv5 of the same character would have different stats. MagiReco wiki dealt with magia levels with "scaling". Also, do we want to use as-exact-as-possible descriptions? Or do we want to also include the datamined values for all those? "Attack Up VIII" was usually 37.5% in Connects, except for Hanna, who had it at VIII / 35%. San and Kazumi Subaru both had IX / 35%, while most IX units had 40%. And those are just Magical Girls, for Memoria, VIII meant 40% EPF (talk) 19:14, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

I have no idea how to do the magia levels... the Magireco wiki has more details, such as splitting the magia into each part of it, and each has its own scaling. I don't have a good idea for how to do this here (but at the same time I dont exactly understand how these even work). For the datamined values I agree that we should use the actual numbers, they are immediately better than the roman numbers imo. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:26, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

Maybe the skills scaling table from the exedra template could work with some tweaking? EPF (talk) 17:52, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

What? We should definitely use the roman numerals if that's what was displayed in-game. I'm honestly not sure why someone would care about the exact numbers for a defunct game in any case (unless they're trying to faithfully remake the game). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:38, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

I guess that's just my personal opinion, I care because it is way more specific than just roman numerals that to any random person dont really say anything, but since this wiki doesnt focus that much on the gameplay I guess it would be better to keep the roman numerals instead of percentages...

About the Skill Scaling, I was thinking about something like that, but again have no idea how to execute it, and I think it could look messy with only Magia having that, especially since new "effects" can get added with the stars. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:20, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

Underscores

Why are you needlessly adding underscores to all the parameter names before the digits? That's just going to make updating the templates 100x more annoying (plus, names with underscores are harder to type). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:00, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

I'll change them back, tbh I just thought it looked better and forgot how annoying it would be. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:26, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

I just want to clarify that I don't mind having underscores sometimes. The complaint was more on the needlessly changing parameters that are already in use. (I also don't like underscores that are only followed by a number.) So for example, name_en or rarity_max would be fine. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:37, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

Major character variants + page naming

Im pretty sure we already decided to keep the "major variants" of characters as separate pages, such as the Uwasa fusions, gods and Magia Report variants, but how do we treat the game info for them? Should Infinite Iroha's info appear on regular Iroha's page? and if we do give the Magirepo variants their own pages, do we put Ultimate Madoka-senpai on Madoka-senpai's page or keep them separate as well? Also Exedra, I do believe that Tiro Finale Liberation should go on Holy Mami's page, but should it stay on Mami's? I feel like it would be better if it didn't, but Exedra doesnt separate it like that... All of those questions come into one, how do we name the pages of units, we could keep the Character/Game/Unit or Character/Unit, but that complicates the duo units and the "major variant" units. To be fair, Holy Mami doesnt have a personal portrait, a personal story, not even a description in Exedra, so I don't see a problem with the page for her unit (and others) Main Character/Game/Unit because it wouldnt be that much of an issue to just put the name of the unit page into a template that then transcludes it onto Holy Mami's page. But again the duo units complicate everything, a name like Iroha・Yachiyo/Magia Record/Final Battle ver. might be too complicated? Unless its easy to make the template find it with just one of their names. The other idea I can think of is what the Exedra wiki is doing, where they categorize each unit page with Character Kioku, and it doesnt matter what the page name is. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 14:40, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Is there any benefit to splitting the pages...? Just shove the alt MSSs with costume stories. EPF (talk) 23:28, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Unlike Exedra, Magia Record does treat the "major variants" like separate characters (they have their own unique memoria, for example). So I think there could be an argument not to include Infinite Iroha's info on regular Iroha's page. On the other hand, there aren't that many "major variants", plus Magia Record also treats all variants that way (so, the swimsuit Iroha has her own unique memoria that can't be used on regular Iroha, for example). So maybe it's best to just include everything Iroha on the regular Iroha page. Infinite Iroha can still have her own page even if we do that, though I'm not sure whether she should. I definitely think that the rumour fusions deserve their own page though, especially Rumor Sana since that's not actually a variant of Sana (it's an entirely separate character who just happens to resemble a rumor version of Sana). As for MagiRepo variants, they're totally off-the-wall joke characters, so I'd prefer them to be isolated from everything else. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:27, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

So, when it comes to naming pages, I think Character/[Game/]Unit is fine for the most part (square brackets = optional part). For dual units, I think we can basically do this (using Madoka-Iroha as an example):

• Create the unit definition page at Madoka Kaname/[Magia Record/]Madoka・Iroha. Place it under Madoka for no other reason than that she's the first character in the unit name.
• Create a redirect at Iroha Tamaki/[Magia Record/]Madoka・Iroha that points to the page under Madoka.

With that method, the hypothetical Template:Magia Record Game Info should be able to transclude that unit info into both base pages.

Okay, so I think you also mentioned an alternative possibility of each unit having its own page in a "global" namespace, right? Actually doing that in the global namespace clearly won't work though, as the unit page name would be the same as the character page name. But, you could make it work by placing them all under the game's page, so for example the regular Iroha unit would be placed at Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story/Iroha Tamaki. The fact that the game page has a super-long name is annoying here… but Magia Record/Iroha Tamaki would be an option too (Magia Record is a disambuation page, but close enough?). If we did it that way, we'd need to use character categories to determine which units are transcluded into which character pages, similar to how memorias are handled. This does mean a ridiculous number of new categories, but I don't know any reasons for that to be an issue.

~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:27, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I can see the argument for why characters should have ALL their units on their main page... but I think that would create too much clutter. Well that's mostly for Iroha but still, that's 10 units, if you take out the Infinite Iroha and Magirepo units you get 6 units. Also since both Holy Mami and Rumor Tsuruno get anime units, that only drives me further to separate them, but then again characters like Mikoto, where their "major variant" is their ONLY variant, seem like they should have the unit on their page, I find it too hard to decide on.

One thing Im sure of is the naming, and that we should go with the category approach, I dont think putting a duo unit under the first character makes sense, but I understand that thats the only way to do it with the current way of naming them, and thats why I think we should change it. I agree that putting it under both the full name and shortened name is icky, we should definitely not put it under the full name, the titles are long as it is. Maybe [Game] [Units/Kioku]/Name? So an example would be Magia Record Units/Rika・Ren (Christmas ver.) or Magia Exedra Kioku/Buon Natale Grazioso. I find this good but I kinda dont like using "Unit" at the same time, Kioku is an actual title used in game while Unit is just used by everyone cause theres no other title (unless "Character"? but I think Magia Record Characters/Ren Isuzu looks just as dumb).

I forgot to ask, can you put in multiple categories into DPL and make the order method the category sortkey, but of only one of them? The DPL would look through the Character Kioku or whatever category to find the Kioku it needs to find, but it would also need to sort them by ID's (which we have a separate category for). If not I guess the character categories' sortkeys should be the ID's. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:14, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Why on earth would you want to sort them by ID? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:22, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Otherwise they're sorted alphabetically. I've already made Template:Magia Exedra Game Info sort Kioku by their ID, because kioku like Fiore Finale were appearing above Tiro Finale. Right now if you ordered them alphabetically Tiro Finale would appear as Mami's third Kioku after Bebe O' Lantern and Fiore Finale. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 08:25, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

I can see that as an argument for not using alphabetical order, but… honestly, I think the obvious solution there would be to just pull Tiro Finale out of the alphabetical list and show it first, then the rest in alphabetical order. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

I dont understand the issue??? Unless it breaks/overcomplicates the template its just more optimal, each base unit is the first one by IDs. And (for exedra) its the order they use for showing Kioku in the chamber of light (specifically in the character section). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 14:43, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

The issue is that ID is inherently an absolutely nonsensical and totally meaningless sort key. Sorting by ID is no different then putting things in a totally random order. Maybe they're carefully picking the IDs with some logical, thematic order in mind, but what are the chances that'll hold up forever? The gaps might be filled in at some point and they have no choice but to add new ones to the end, and the nice thematic ordering they came up with will be gone. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:19, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

In Exedra the IDs ARE used as the order method for Kioku, like I said going into the characters in the Chamber of light shows that (Madoka with putting [Nothing to Despair, Ever] below every other Kioku), the same is for going to the Kioku section, normally theyre ordered by when they were added but if you just put them by rarity the ID order appears. Even though it might look alphabetical (Bebe o lantern appearing before Fiore Finale even though swimsuit Mami existed before Halloween), its not, Surfer Sayaka appears before Christmas Sayaka. My point is that the IDs ARE used for ordering kioku in Exedra, and using alphabetical order while putting one Kioku above the others still makes it more messy, [Dark Art Dominion] would appear above [Time Stop Strike], [Nothing to Despair, Ever] would appear above the Pluvias, and god knows what Kioku names are to come in the future. Now for Record its a completelly different story, because I have no idea how to even check how they were ordered. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 11:13, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

What if we used tabbers instead of a list? I did a lil experimental thingie at User:EPF/Sandbox/2. Though it would probs look wayyyyy better if at the very least the unit name and image(s) were always automatically displayed. Also I gutted the edit button cuz it broke, if we're gonna use it, it'll need to be fixed EPF (talk) 13:52, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

That would probably be good. But what do you mean by "gutted the edit button"? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

If you look at the Template:Magia Exedra Game Info code, there's this line:

|format=,<h3 style='display:inline-block'>²{#replace:%TITLE%¦{{#ifexist:{{{character}}} in Magia Exedra|{{{character}}} in Magia Exedra/|{{{character}}}/}}}²</h3><div style='display:inline-block' class="mw-editsection plainlinks"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span>²{Template:Edit¦%PAGE%}²<span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></div>¶,

But if you look at the Module:EPFtest code, there's this line:

|format=,²{#replace:%TITLE%¦{{#ifexist:{{{character}}} in Magia Exedra|{{{character}}} in Magia Exedra/|{{{character}}}/}}}²SPLITSPLITSPLIT¶,SPLITSPLITSPLIT

In short, I removed the stuff relating to Template:Edit, cuz they didn't work and I didn't wanna think about it too much for something that might not pass

("SPLITSPLITSPLIT" is used for further processing) EPF (talk) 18:46, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Magireco new NA names

Maybe this ain't the best place to say it, but with Exedra's steam release, we got official English names for alllllllll the memoria and units (kinda). Basically, Exedra JP server has the option to port your MagiReco data into it, right? It lists all your units (with the rarity you upgraded them to) and all the Memoria. Steam ver. of Exedra allows you to play in any language in any of the supported regions (unlike mobile ver., in which global server is always EN, and JP server is always JP). And it has all the names translated, so! We have official English names.

The problems are:

1) It only shows what you own. There's no client-side file with a list of all the names. The server always serves you exactly what you had in MagiReco, no extra names are shown.

2) Memoria names have a really short character limit before they trail off with ellipsis, so we can't see their full names. This isn't a problem with Magical Girls due to the way their archive is constructed.

3) Because it uses some weird server stuff I don't quite understand, it needs specialized tools to access those. Currently, the leading Exedra datamine team only does it via an Android emulator, and again, the mobile version doesn't allow to play in English on JP server. It's not impossible to do that for PC, but I don't have the skills needed to do that.

Here are 4 units' official EN names: https://imgur.com/a/6nmfmtS

So anyway, we got official names for all the dual units, and they use "&" rather than "・". Which makes sense because "・" is a typographic character common in Japanese but NOT in English. EPF (talk) 08:09, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Here's what I got so far with other people's help:

//units i did have
Himena Aika
Miyuri Yukari
Lavi Himuro
Mikoto Sena
Uwasa Sana
Mifuyu Azusa (Fairy Tale)
Momoko Togame (Sanctified)
Karin & Alina (Halloween)
Yuna & Juri (Vampire)
Shizuka Tokime (First Sunrise)
Yachiyo Nanami (Tanabata)
Momoko & Mitama (Mermaid)
Kanagi Izumi (Everlasting Darkness)
Mitama Yakumo (Everlasting Darkness)
Sakuya Suzuka
Moka Megumi
Maria Yuki
Mikura Komachi
Temari Kira
Hotori Yuzuki
Meguru Hibiki
Ranka Chizu
Chika Aoba
Hotaru Yura
Jun Kazari
Mitsune Miwa
Kush Irina
Rika & Ren (Holiday)
Darc (Final) //WHY ARE THEY STILL CLINGING TO DARC 

//units from other people's screenshots

Yachiyo & Mifuyu (Starting Out)
Tsuruno & Felicia (Special Delivery)
Sayaka Miki (Waverider)
Yuna Kaharu
Yu
Shi
Kuro //for both valentine Kuro and kuroe's Kuro
Juri Oba
Urara Yume
Touka & Nemu (Winter Night)
Asuka Tatsuki (New Year Dragon God)
Uwasa Mikoto
Masara & Kokoro (Bride)
Oriko Mikuni (Final)
Kazumi Subaru
Chisato Nishikigi
Takina Inoue
Nayuta Satomi
Kagome Satori
Kagome Satori (Demon Parade)
Nayuta & Mikage (Holiday)
Sudachi Sawa (Valentine)
Yachiyo Nanami (Anime)
Iroha & Ui (Shrine Maiden)
Mabayu Aki
Madoka & Iroha
Kyoko Sakura (Scene 0)
Nagisa Momoe (Valentine)
Hikaru Kirari
Ao Kasane
Shizuka Tokime
Chiharu Hiroe
Sunao Toki
Himena Aika
Shigure Miyabi
Hagumu Azumi
Asahi Miura
Alexandra Kurusu
Mikage Yakumo
Sudachi Sawa
Yozuru Sasame
Livia Medeiros
Kuroe
Amaryllis
Felicia-chan
Rena-chan (Idol)
Kanagi Izumi (Vampire)
Lavi Himuro (Kimochi)
Yachiyo Nanami (Anime)
Uwasa Tsuruno (Anime)
Rena Minami (Anime)
Iroha Tamaki (Anime)
Yachiyo Nanami (Historia)
Ultimate Madoka-senpai
Devil Homura-chan
Mami Tomoe (Swimsuit)
Holy Mami (Anime)
Mami Tomoe (Scene 0)
Nagisa Momoe (Swimsuit)
Yukika Nanase
Mitsuru Inami
Tsumugi Wakana
Seira Mihono
Rion Yuzuki
Hotori Yuzuki
Meguru Hibiki
Ryoko Natsu
Eternal Sakura (Swimsuit)
Konoha & Hazuki
Reira & Seika
Akari Mai
Tsubaki Mikoto
Isabeau
Isabeau (Witch)

//RELOCALIZED
Lapine // was Lapin
Reira Ibuki // was Leila Ibuki
Pernelle // was inconsistent on NA, about 30 times Perenelle and about 120 times Pernelle in just the event stories

-EPF (talk) 09:28, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Basically I think we should rename our articles accordingly. EPF (talk) 20:09, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

I stuck to the current names because I don't really undertand why some things are NA and others arent on this wiki, but I mostly agree. Now I did still make these pages and they have to be moved, I'd rather have them be moved without leaving a redirect behind but Im pretty sure only admins can do that. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 21:39, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

So what do we do about Liz, Darc, Reira and the "Holiday" variant (that are currently named "Christmas") ? - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:01, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

This might be just my opinion, but I think an objective argument can also be made… I think the most "correct" forms, barring official Word of God, are Liz, Darc, and Leila.

• I realize that Tart seems to be the more common choice, but given her full name is Jeanne d'Arc, "Darc" is the only one that could be a derivative of that. The spelling of Tart is precedented in historical records, though, so it's far from the worst choice.
• For Liz, it's a shortening of Elizabeth. No speaker of a Romance language would contemplate shorting Elizabeth to Riz. It just doesn't follow. So, clearly Liz is correct.
• For Leila I'm a bit unsure, but I wasn't able to find any record of "れいら" as a native Japanese name. Assuming that's the case, it would clearly be a borrowing, meaning that Leila is the correct spelling.

As for the "Christmas/Holiday" variant, my suspicion is that it's an act of censorship (though I can't say for sure if it's intentional, depending on whether AI played a role in the translation) by the official translator – it's not uncommon these days to recommend saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas", so translating "Christmas" to "Holiday" seems like a similar thing. But the katakana in the JP name unambiguously spell out "Christmas", so I don't think you can argue that "Holiday" is more correct unless Word of God explicitly says so. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 22:29, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

We can have a separate field for literal vs. official TL, but no matter what, the official name is "Darc" and "Rika & Ren (Holiday)". We NEED to start marking whether a translation is official or not. EPF (talk) 08:30, 24 December 2025 (UTC)

Also, what the hell are you talking about? If the story says the name is A, it's A, even if it'd "make more sense" if it was B. Not to mention, Reira is a real Japanese name, Tart is called Tart in the manga because she can't spell her name very well so it ended up looking more like "tart" (her name was written in Latin characters in the OG JP ver. of the manga) and it stuck as a nickname (not to mention it was used as a cake pun, given Jeanne Flamel goes by the nickname Torte without the same "can't spell her name" justification), and the proper spelling of her nickname can be seen over and over on the JP covers of the manga (not to mention the JP ver of her nickname たると／タルト literally romanizes to "TARUTO", which has neither D or C/K in it), and there's no proof Riz was meant to be short for "Elisabeth" at all. In fact, Masugitsune himself confirmed her name is intended to be RIZ (and, well, spelled it like that in manga himself too).

We should still note the official-yet-less-sensible translations, don't get me wrong. But there's a reason why the characters were originally named the way they were, and way to prove what the romanized spelling was intended by the authors. But come on. EPF (talk) 08:51, 24 December 2025 (UTC)

Alts on Magia Record Characters

If we turn change every alt unit page into a strictly unit page will we still show them on Magia Record Characters? Since record treats them like separate characters I can agree to keep them there. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:04, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I think both ways could make sense. Do we want Magia Record Characters to list units, or characters? The name implies characters; currently it lists units. We could also make a separate page that lists all units. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 19:21, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I actually think making a new page that lists units is a really good idea. It would help to clean up the current page (since its VERY cluterred) and if we go with naming the unit pages with a global namespace/main page we will already have it. If we did do this I think it would also be better to make all the cells on the current page use the simple character cell instead of the magireco one, both because it would just make more sense to be used strictly for units and because it looks very random on Characters (tho the same goes for future Exedra characters having their Kioku under their names). I think the Magireco Character cells could even have more details (like rarity and attribute) if we use it for units. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:51, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I currently have the full mockup on my Sandbox page. I'm sure it will still go through order changes from what I did on there but I think its good enough. I used the NA names (thanks to EPF's section above) to see how they would look, but I have no problem with using translations with names like "Waverider" and "Darc". One issue I have are the images, I dont think we need those frames, I dont even understand why we have frames for some character pages and then not for others, Imo we should just get rid of them completelly but that's not on topic. Id like some last feedback and then I'll put it on Magia Record Units. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:08, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

Finishing this

Re: linking

Okay the template is ALMOST fully done, the last thing I want supervision with is deciding how to link the unit and character it belongs to, the same way our Kioku do it. But unlike Kioku we cant do it that easily, I was thinking of making a code that basically analyzes the given name and checks if there's a ( or/and &, and then it would split up the links (the ( showing that it's a variant and the & showing that its a dual unit) but how would we go about linking to the unit itself? There's not really a way to go to the unit page from the character page, I was thinking of just making the main shown name the link and have the little arrow link back to the character page (the arrow thing is on now but the unit link isnt), but I think it looks a little weird and the arrow thing wouldnt really work if we added descriptions on top of the page (unless there's a way to force the text to go above every other text). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:00, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

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Re: other stuff on the unit pages

Right now is a good time to start adding more stuff to the unit pages, but what should we add? Currently Im planning on adding...

1. The unit description (they're in the Summary sections rn)
2. The Doppel description
3. The personal memoria
4. The unit's side story summary?

The biggest problem with this is if all these would go under new templates or not, the Doppels definitely but what about the others?. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:00, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

Oh yeah forgot to mention this but should we add a message on the top of the page like "For the Magia Exedra equivalent see Kioku" (and vice versa for Kioku pages)? I know they're unrelated but there are Kiokus directly based off Record units. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:24, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

I'd say most of that definitely doesn't belong in the stats template. At most, maybe the personal memoria. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 22:30, 23 December 2025 (UTC)

By "not go under new templates" I meant more like just be added onto the page raw, without any template, because I believe NONE of these belong in the stats template. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 22:41, 23 December 2025 (UTC)