Template talk:Magia Record Stats/test

Magireco Magia levels were independent of stars, they were upgraded separately. It was possible to have a 5* Magia lvl. 1 Iroha, and vice versa. A 5* lv1, 4* lv1, 5* lv5 of the same character would have different stats. MagiReco wiki dealt with magia levels with "scaling". Also, do we want to use as-exact-as-possible descriptions? Or do we want to also include the datamined values for all those? "Attack Up VIII" was usually 37.5% in Connects, except for Hanna, who had it at VIII / 35%. San and Kazumi Subaru both had IX / 35%, while most IX units had 40%. And those are just Magical Girls, for Memoria, VIII meant 40% EPF (talk) 19:14, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

I have no idea how to do the magia levels... the Magireco wiki has more details, such as splitting the magia into each part of it, and each has its own scaling. I don't have a good idea for how to do this here (but at the same time I dont exactly understand how these even work). For the datamined values I agree that we should use the actual numbers, they are immediately better than the roman numbers imo. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:26, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

Maybe the skills scaling table from the exedra template could work with some tweaking? EPF (talk) 17:52, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

What? We should definitely use the roman numerals if that's what was displayed in-game. I'm honestly not sure why someone would care about the exact numbers for a defunct game in any case (unless they're trying to faithfully remake the game). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:38, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

I guess that's just my personal opinion, I care because it is way more specific than just roman numerals that to any random person dont really say anything, but since this wiki doesnt focus that much on the gameplay I guess it would be better to keep the roman numerals instead of percentages...

About the Skill Scaling, I was thinking about something like that, but again have no idea how to execute it, and I think it could look messy with only Magia having that, especially since new "effects" can get added with the stars. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:20, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

Underscores

Why are you needlessly adding underscores to all the parameter names before the digits? That's just going to make updating the templates 100x more annoying (plus, names with underscores are harder to type). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:00, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

I'll change them back, tbh I just thought it looked better and forgot how annoying it would be. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:26, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

I just want to clarify that I don't mind having underscores sometimes. The complaint was more on the needlessly changing parameters that are already in use. (I also don't like underscores that are only followed by a number.) So for example, name_en or rarity_max would be fine. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:37, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

Major character variants + page naming

Im pretty sure we already decided to keep the "major variants" of characters as separate pages, such as the Uwasa fusions, gods and Magia Report variants, but how do we treat the game info for them? Should Infinite Iroha's info appear on regular Iroha's page? and if we do give the Magirepo variants their own pages, do we put Ultimate Madoka-senpai on Madoka-senpai's page or keep them separate as well? Also Exedra, I do believe that Tiro Finale Liberation should go on Holy Mami's page, but should it stay on Mami's? I feel like it would be better if it didn't, but Exedra doesnt separate it like that... All of those questions come into one, how do we name the pages of units, we could keep the Character/Game/Unit or Character/Unit, but that complicates the duo units and the "major variant" units. To be fair, Holy Mami doesnt have a personal portrait, a personal story, not even a description in Exedra, so I don't see a problem with the page for her unit (and others) Main Character/Game/Unit because it wouldnt be that much of an issue to just put the name of the unit page into a template that then transcludes it onto Holy Mami's page. But again the duo units complicate everything, a name like Iroha・Yachiyo/Magia Record/Final Battle ver. might be too complicated? Unless its easy to make the template find it with just one of their names. The other idea I can think of is what the Exedra wiki is doing, where they categorize each unit page with Character Kioku, and it doesnt matter what the page name is. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 14:40, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Is there any benefit to splitting the pages...? Just shove the alt MSSs with costume stories. EPF (talk) 23:28, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Unlike Exedra, Magia Record does treat the "major variants" like separate characters (they have their own unique memoria, for example). So I think there could be an argument not to include Infinite Iroha's info on regular Iroha's page. On the other hand, there aren't that many "major variants", plus Magia Record also treats all variants that way (so, the swimsuit Iroha has her own unique memoria that can't be used on regular Iroha, for example). So maybe it's best to just include everything Iroha on the regular Iroha page. Infinite Iroha can still have her own page even if we do that, though I'm not sure whether she should. I definitely think that the rumour fusions deserve their own page though, especially Rumor Sana since that's not actually a variant of Sana (it's an entirely separate character who just happens to resemble a rumor version of Sana). As for MagiRepo variants, they're totally off-the-wall joke characters, so I'd prefer them to be isolated from everything else. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:27, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

So, when it comes to naming pages, I think Character/[Game/]Unit is fine for the most part (square brackets = optional part). For dual units, I think we can basically do this (using Madoka-Iroha as an example):

• Create the unit definition page at Madoka Kaname/[Magia Record/]Madoka・Iroha. Place it under Madoka for no other reason than that she's the first character in the unit name.
• Create a redirect at Iroha Tamaki/[Magia Record/]Madoka・Iroha that points to the page under Madoka.

With that method, the hypothetical Template:Magia Record Game Info should be able to transclude that unit info into both base pages.

Okay, so I think you also mentioned an alternative possibility of each unit having its own page in a "global" namespace, right? Actually doing that in the global namespace clearly won't work though, as the unit page name would be the same as the character page name. But, you could make it work by placing them all under the game's page, so for example the regular Iroha unit would be placed at Magia Record: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story/Iroha Tamaki. The fact that the game page has a super-long name is annoying here… but Magia Record/Iroha Tamaki would be an option too (Magia Record is a disambuation page, but close enough?). If we did it that way, we'd need to use character categories to determine which units are transcluded into which character pages, similar to how memorias are handled. This does mean a ridiculous number of new categories, but I don't know any reasons for that to be an issue.

~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:27, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I can see the argument for why characters should have ALL their units on their main page... but I think that would create too much clutter. Well that's mostly for Iroha but still, that's 10 units, if you take out the Infinite Iroha and Magirepo units you get 6 units. Also since both Holy Mami and Rumor Tsuruno get anime units, that only drives me further to separate them, but then again characters like Mikoto, where their "major variant" is their ONLY variant, seem like they should have the unit on their page, I find it too hard to decide on.

One thing Im sure of is the naming, and that we should go with the category approach, I dont think putting a duo unit under the first character makes sense, but I understand that thats the only way to do it with the current way of naming them, and thats why I think we should change it. I agree that putting it under both the full name and shortened name is icky, we should definitely not put it under the full name, the titles are long as it is. Maybe [Game] [Units/Kioku]/Name? So an example would be Magia Record Units/Rika・Ren (Christmas ver.) or Magia Exedra Kioku/Buon Natale Grazioso. I find this good but I kinda dont like using "Unit" at the same time, Kioku is an actual title used in game while Unit is just used by everyone cause theres no other title (unless "Character"? but I think Magia Record Characters/Ren Isuzu looks just as dumb).

I forgot to ask, can you put in multiple categories into DPL and make the order method the category sortkey, but of only one of them? The DPL would look through the Character Kioku or whatever category to find the Kioku it needs to find, but it would also need to sort them by ID's (which we have a separate category for). If not I guess the character categories' sortkeys should be the ID's. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:14, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Why on earth would you want to sort them by ID? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:22, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Otherwise they're sorted alphabetically. I've already made Template:Magia Exedra Game Info sort Kioku by their ID, because kioku like Fiore Finale were appearing above Tiro Finale. Right now if you ordered them alphabetically Tiro Finale would appear as Mami's third Kioku after Bebe O' Lantern and Fiore Finale. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 08:25, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

I can see that as an argument for not using alphabetical order, but… honestly, I think the obvious solution there would be to just pull Tiro Finale out of the alphabetical list and show it first, then the rest in alphabetical order. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

I dont understand the issue??? Unless it breaks/overcomplicates the template its just more optimal, each base unit is the first one by IDs. And (for exedra) its the order they use for showing Kioku in the chamber of light (specifically in the character section). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 14:43, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

The issue is that ID is inherently an absolutely nonsensical and totally meaningless sort key. Sorting by ID is no different then putting things in a totally random order. Maybe they're carefully picking the IDs with some logical, thematic order in mind, but what are the chances that'll hold up forever? The gaps might be filled in at some point and they have no choice but to add new ones to the end, and the nice thematic ordering they came up with will be gone. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:19, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

What if we used tabbers instead of a list? I did a lil experimental thingie at User:EPF/Sandbox/2. Though it would probs look wayyyyy better if at the very least the unit name and image(s) were always automatically displayed. Also I gutted the edit button cuz it broke, if we're gonna use it, it'll need to be fixed EPF (talk) 13:52, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

That would probably be good. But what do you mean by "gutted the edit button"? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

If you look at the Template:Magia Exedra Game Info code, there's this line:

|format=,<h3 style='display:inline-block'>²{#replace:%TITLE%¦{{#ifexist:{{{character}}} in Magia Exedra|{{{character}}} in Magia Exedra/|{{{character}}}/}}}²</h3><div style='display:inline-block' class="mw-editsection plainlinks"><span class="mw-editsection-bracket">[</span>²{Template:Edit¦%PAGE%}²<span class="mw-editsection-bracket">]</span></div>¶,

But if you look at the Module:EPFtest code, there's this line:

|format=,²{#replace:%TITLE%¦{{#ifexist:{{{character}}} in Magia Exedra|{{{character}}} in Magia Exedra/|{{{character}}}/}}}²SPLITSPLITSPLIT¶,SPLITSPLITSPLIT

In short, I removed the stuff relating to Template:Edit, cuz they didn't work and I didn't wanna think about it too much for something that might not pass

("SPLITSPLITSPLIT" is used for further processing) EPF (talk) 18:46, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Magireco new NA names

Maybe this ain't the best place to say it, but with Exedra's steam release, we got official English names for alllllllll the memoria and units (kinda). Basically, Exedra JP server has the option to port your MagiReco data into it, right? It lists all your units (with the rarity you upgraded them to) and all the Memoria. Steam ver. of Exedra allows you to play in any language in any of the supported regions (unlike mobile ver., in which global server is always EN, and JP server is always JP). And it has all the names translated, so! We have official English names.

The problems are:

1) It only shows what you own. There's no client-side file with a list of all the names. The server always serves you exactly what you had in MagiReco, no extra names are shown.

2) Memoria names have a really short character limit before they trail off with ellipsis, so we can't see their full names. This isn't a problem with Magical Girls due to the way their archive is constructed.

3) Because it uses some weird server stuff I don't quite understand, it needs specialized tools to access those. Currently, the leading Exedra datamine team only does it via an Android emulator, and again, the mobile version doesn't allow to play in English on JP server. It's not impossible to do that for PC, but I don't have the skills needed to do that.

Here are 4 units' official EN names: https://imgur.com/a/6nmfmtS

So anyway, we got official names for all the dual units, and they use "&" rather than "・". Which makes sense because "・" is a typographic character common in Japanese but NOT in English. EPF (talk) 08:09, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Here's what I got so far with other people's help:

//units i did have
Himena Aika
Miyuri Yukari
Lavi Himuro
Mikoto Sena
Uwasa Sana
Mifuyu Azusa (Fairy Tale)
Momoko Togame (Sanctified)
Karin & Alina (Halloween)
Yuna & Juri (Vampire)
Shizuka Tokime (First Sunrise)
Yachiyo Nanami (Tanabata)
Momoko & Mitama (Mermaid)
Kanagi Izumi (Everlasting Darkness)
Mitama Yakumo (Everlasting Darkness)
Sakuya Suzuka
Moka Megumi
Maria Yuki
Mikura Komachi
Temari Kira
Hotori Yuzuki
Meguru Hibiki
Ranka Chizu
Chika Aoba
Hotaru Yura
Jun Kazari
Mitsune Miwa
Kush Irina
Rika & Ren (Holiday)
Darc (Final) //WHY ARE THEY STILL CLINGING TO DARC 

//units from other people's screenshots

Yachiyo & Mifuyu (Starting Out)
Tsuruno & Felicia (Special Delivery)
Sayaka Miki (Waverider)
Yuna Kaharu
Yu
Shi
Kuro //for both valentine Kuro and kuroe's Kuro
Juri Oba
Urara Yume
Touka & Nemu (Winter Night)
Asuka Tatsuki (New Year Dragon God)
Uwasa Mikoto
Masara & Kokoro (Bride)
Oriko Mikuni (Final)
Kazumi Subaru
Chisato Nishikigi
Takina Inoue
Nayuta Satomi
Kagome Satori
Kagome Satori (Demon Parade)
Nayuta & Mikage (Holiday)
Sudachi Sawa (Valentine)
Yachiyo Nanami (Anime)
Iroha & Ui (Shrine Maiden)
Mabayu Aki
Madoka & Iroha
Kyoko Sakura (Scene 0)
Nagisa Momoe (Valentine)
Hikaru Kirari
Ao Kasane
Shizuka Tokime
Chiharu Hiroe
Sunao Toki
Himena Aika
Shigure Miyabi
Hagumu Azumi
Asahi Miura
Alexandra Kurusu
Mikage Yakumo
Sudachi Sawa
Yozuru Sasame
Livia Medeiros
Kuroe
Amaryllis
Felicia-chan
Rena-chan (Idol)
Kanagi Izumi (Vampire)
Lavi Himuro (Kimochi)
Yachiyo Nanami (Anime)
Uwasa Tsuruno (Anime)
Rena Minami (Anime)
Iroha Tamaki (Anime)
Yachiyo Nanami (Historia)
Ultimate Madoka-senpai
Devil Homura-chan
Mami Tomoe (Swimsuit)
Holy Mami (Anime)
Mami Tomoe (Scene 0)
Nagisa Momoe (Swimsuit)
Yukika Nanase
Mitsuru Inami
Tsumugi Wakana
Seira Mihono
Rion Yuzuki
Hotori Yuzuki
Meguru Hibiki
Ryoko Natsu
Eternal Sakura (Swimsuit)
Konoha & Hazuki
Reira & Seika
Akari Mai
Tsubaki Mikoto
Isabeau
Isabeau (Witch)

//RELOCALIZED
Lapine // was Lapin
Reira Ibuki // was Leila Ibuki
Pernelle // was inconsistent on NA, about 30 times Perenelle and about 120 times Pernelle in just the event stories

-EPF (talk) 09:28, 1 December 2025 (UTC)