Talk:Kyubey

Redirection

Requesting name change to Kyubey. reason : [1] Mic2070 10:38, 24 January 2011 (CST)

Anyone object this? Otherwise I'm going to move it. --0x99 19:53, 24 January 2011 (CST)

Go for it --MomoiroKakarichou 15:02, 26 January 2011 (CST)

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Shouldn't we add somewhere that he uses telepathy?

I only today realized that the page was renamed from Kyuubey to Kyubey recently. Just finished updating the spelling everywhere. --KFYatek 16:44, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Multiple Kyubeys/Respawning Kyubey

I remember there was quite a lot of speculah as to whether there is only one Kyubey, or multiple 'Kyubey' clones. Since it's mentionned in the 'Obervsations' section, I wondered if that theory has been mentionned in one of the articles? If so, it should be a good idea to add a link here. --Homerun-chan 21:23, 24 February 2011 (UCT)

Maybe I overlooked it, but I couldn't found any article stating about respawning QB. --0x99 22:06, 24 February 2011 (UCT)

I'm not sure about the respawning, but I think mutiple instances of QBe has been discussed at some point (hence the 'Kyubey Army' image macro). It may not be on the wiki though. I'll look for it in depths tomorrow if nobody's done it before, I have stuff to do now (like sleeping, for example) --Homerun-chan 22:11, 24 February 2011 (UCT)

What's this about him being a cat? I don't think he looks like a cat. I think he looks like a little demonspawn.

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"Familiar"

I'm not really sure where the term "familiar" comes from in his description? --Fallacies 02:30, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Incidentally, Kyubey is the romanization of the name of a restaurant in Ginza, Tokyo. --Fallacies 03:09, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Where's that "familiar" you're talking about in this article? --0x99 03:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

The diff before I edited it, at the top. I replaced it with Mahou no Shisha, per the description on his official chara profile. --Fallacies 03:16, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Also, in plot synopsis on main page, the "there exist familiars" part obviously refers to Kyubey and possibly others of his kind. --KFYatek 03:18, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Edited. Though, again, I'm not sure where "familiars" came from. It seems like it's always been there, but nobody ever noticed. In any case, it's not really accurate. --Fallacies 03:20, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Energy

the article states that he needs energy for the earth. But as i understood he is an alien who needs energy for his planet and stores the energy that get´s released while using magic or transform into witches.

Anonymous: In actuality, he needs energy for the entire universe. Even though the show's understanding of thermodynamics is flawed (the amount of usable energy in the universe will decrease over time, but not the total amount of energy), we can't treat Earth or any other planet as a closed system; thus, when Kyuubey says "sekai" (I think that's the word he used?), he's almost definitely referring to the universe as a whole.

--picture- the mangaka of kuroshitsuji actually made a fanart crossover of kyubey and sebastian http://d-6th.com/blog/images/110217_qseba.jpg quite ironic since sebastian also has a faustian pact with ciel and will rip his (ciel´s) soul of as payment to fullfill his wish

Contract

Fight with witches it's a part of the contract? Or contract mean only become to puella magi? A 06:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Kyubey is incredibly vague about the contract, so it's unclear if puellae magi must fight witches outside of ensuring their own survival (as they need Grief Seeds to counteract the corruption caused by the use of magic and/or the build-up of negative emotions). I suppose a girl could contract, get her wish, and never fight witches, but she would likely end up a witch herself very soon. Momoism 18:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Kyubey and Utilitarianism

I am working on Kyubey's utilitarianism, this space is for a rough draft.

Urobuchi's view in energy conservation and connection to Kyubey's utilitarianism kyubey's belief and the overly romanticism of (good) reality (false perception) and good intentions with bad results of unhappiness. By the way I am reading Michael Sandel's book "Justice" and it is a good source of understanding philology. Will finish when I can. --Mutopis 04:11, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I take it that the words below are your voice (and not an attempt at translation), right, Mutopis? I ask for purpose of response. ;) -- preceding comment by NS 16:46, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

I can confirm these are not Urobuchi's thoughts. --randomanon 16:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

This is a philosophical essay with my words, I use some comments and information from interviews and some material from the book "Justice" to interpret the anime series in a philosophical way. I am using the same method that I did with Madoka and her motives to appreciate and get a better understanding. I want to see if Kyubey's utilitarianism is that simple or it is more complex than that, and why it seems justifiable (I am playing the devil's advocate), but more importantly to demonstrate that Kyubey is not evil, but just follows what he was created to do. --Mutopis 20:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

• Guys, if you like to contribute or express an opinion about the essay, you are more than welcome. This is just a rough draft. I think I will be working on this for a while and I would like some opinions to make sure it remains consistent. --Mutopis 22:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

What is Utilitarianism?

The Human Philosophy known as utilitarianism can be easily breakdown as the philosophy that pursues the maximization of happiness and the reduction of pain, or at least the creation of happiness that surpasses the overall total of pain. If Kyubey's brand of utilitarianism was that simple there would be no need for this essay. But utilitarianism, like all brands of philosophy, have taken several different developments and each one has a distinctive flavor that requires recognition. This will be an attempt to understand Kyubey's own brand of Utilitarianism.

According with Kyubey's mission, he wants to save the universe by offsetting the depletion of the universe's energy (actually, Kyubey's statement is wrong, the correct assessment would be to stop the permanent loss of heat, but who am I to question an advance alien race?). To accomplish this mission Kyubey's alien race has found the answer to the problem, the harvesting of human emotion. The process is simply, give a human magical powers to maximize their sense of hope, then reverse their hope to be turned into despair, during the process the despair energy would be released during the witchfication process thus repairing the damage done to the universe. Repeat the process countless of times until an appropriate energy quota per planet is reached. Sounds simple yet horrifying at the same time. For many this is an example of utilitarianism as its worst, many critics believe that Kyubey is justifying the exploration of little girls to save the universe. However, before we can accuse Kyubey of anything, it is essential to understand the moral nature, as well as Kyubey's reasoning behind it, to determine if their reasoning is justifiable.

Kyubey and Bentham: Let us just enslave the human race!

Invaders from another galaxy have decided that to save the universe, they must harvest energy to repair the damage already done to it. Their race is incapable of producing such energy by themselves, but thanks to their advance technology they have detected a source of energy that is perfect to solve their crisis. They have detected a "bizarre" mental behavior known as "emotions" capable of producing the required energy but it goes unprocessed and it is located in another galaxy. The inhabitants of this alien galaxy are equally strange as primitive, not only do they suffer from this mental anomaly known as emotions, but they are being wasteful by not fully developing its potential. Such a waste of energy would be a crime if left unharvested. The alien race decides to invade this galaxy, enslave the inhabitants, and fully exploit its potential by maximizing the production of energy to meet their quota... or so it should be if this was Bentham's utilitarianism but it is not. This is the first indicator that there is something odd about Kyubey's utilitarianism.

According with Bentham, the goal of Utilitarianism is to produce as much happiness as possible. But most importantly, all forms of happiness and all form of pains have their own equal moral value (no pleasure is better or highest than the other). Which means one form of happiness cannot be measured against another form of happiness and the same can be said about pain. It takes people's preferences as they are without passing judgement on the moral worth. It would be presumptuous to judge some pleasures to be inherently better than others. At the heart of it, Bentham's utilitarianism is nonjudgmental, to him all pleasures are equal. This means that if saving the universe by exploiting the emotions of humans has the same moral value than domesticating cattle to feed society, then it should be reasonable to say that Bentham would not object to enslaving the human race to achieve Kyubey's objective. After all, saving the universe at the expense of the human race would create the greatest form of happiness. It would suck for the human race, but stopping the end of the universe trumps anything and everything.

Yet, as stated before, that is not the case here, at least not to the alien race that created Kyubey. Apparently, Kyubey and the aliens have some sort of moral code of their own that disallow them to force humans to enter into a contract (slavery) but they are also not allowed to deceive (false advertisement) or lie to them either (this is, of course, up to debate).

One objection to utilitarianism is the attempt to measure pleasure and pain in a single scale ignoring the qualitative experience of pleasure and pain. For many, certain forms of pleasure are not only higher but also worthier than others. The pursue of a nobler pleasure would allow utilitarianism to the arrival of the greatest good. One could make an argument that saving the universe would create happiness but the quality of that happiness would suffer at the expense of perverse methods used for to attain it. Instead, one could say that Kyubey is trying to create the greatest form of happiness by using much more nobler (albeit questionable) methods to attain it. Rather than force the human race into submission and slavery, why not entice them into a fair contract?

Kyubey and Mill: Humans are not Cattle.

Let's Make a Deal: The Meaning of Consent.

Kyubey: CEO of Entropy, INC.

Puellae Magi: a PR Illusion and the Issue of False Interpretation.