Template talk:Witch Card

I hope we can finally decide how tje Witch Template should be so we can avoid low-quality Witch Card images but also satisfy the other users.

Also I wanna suggest adding a big-scaled Witch Runes of the Witch's Real Name for good measure because their runes seems important imo.

Thanks! RaviaVee (talk) 08:33, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Should we use png's of the specialized runes or just big regular wiki runes? A lot of witches have those cool specialized runes from the anime (Like Charlotte and Candy) but cropping them out could be a hastle, I agree that they should be big though, they're more shown in Madoka Magica than the real names. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 11:49, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

It seems that the new witch card design isn't mobile friendly in the slightest, which is far from ideal. Is there anything we can do to make this easier? It also appears that Homulilly (Portable) has red text on a purple background, which fails the minimum contrast suggestions for webpage usability.

Thank you in advance. HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 23:15, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Looking into it. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:50, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

I think it's a lot better now. The only thing I can't figure out is how to make the witch image and the witch kiss shrink if the screen is small enough that the area to display it in shrinks. But at least you won't have a horizontal scrollbar when viewing it on a phone anymore, hopefully. At worst, the witch image won't be fully in the frame. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:50, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

Witch Display

I think i've done it, and made it a template. I was right with there being a lot of parameters, making that 7 ;-;. I still think it's better than making them manually on every card, here's the code

<div style="position: relative; width: 300px; height: 300px; overflow: clip;">
{{#if:{{{Background|}}}|<div style="position: relative; left: {{{BackgroundX}}}px; filter: brightness(75%);">
[[File:{{{Background}}}|x300px|link=]]</div>|}}
<div style="position: absolute; top: {{{WitchY}}}px; left: {{{WitchX}}}px;">
[[File:{{{WitchSprite}}}|x{{{WitchSize}}}px|link=]]</div>
{{#if:{{{Kiss|}}}|<div style="position: absolute; top: 0px;">[[File:{{{Kiss}}}|75px|link=]]</div>|}}
</div>

It acomodates for no Witch's kiss (for Familiars, Uwasa and for Witches without them) and for no background, also, one thing I've noticed in testing is that only one image out of 5 used the 300 size... So I think changing AltSize to just WitchSize would be better.

Here's a Oktavia display made with this template

- TheresaFrog421 (talk) 11:40, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Different cards

So I've had a plan, making the top (runes and name) a separate template, I did that with Template:Witch Card Header and while it works with single card witches like the Zenobia test I did, the true purpose was for it to separate witch descriptions but keep them in one box, while i made it work I also didn't... Because tabs inside of tabs just don't work, so when choosing the japanese desc of a different card it jumps to the original card instead, because 2 tabs can't be selected at once (not counting the first tab), so while the original card can have both of it's descriptions shown the other can't. I have only 2 ideas, the first one is making so that the descriptions aren't in tabs, and the second one is making the cards be under eachother like it is currently. I personally would go with the first one just because I don't want there to be this many cards under eachother (especially with the new Exedra ones) but I'm also waiting for feedback on the display so I won't do anything for now. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:54, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Below is an example of a witch card made without the template, and as for the different forms, like Bebe, I think we should make multiple cards if there's no other option. We could make them with different form options like how we have for the japanese and english descriptions below, but the issue with that is that we may not figure out a way to make that happen. I think the best option is to have different cards for the different descriptions, especially since if we split the details too much, then we'd end up with example photos in the cards for all the familiar variants, etc. To conclude: I think it's best to have the different cards be one over the other, instead of anything else, as we have now. And for the entries in the character pages, like for example Exedra Witches, or Kazumi Witches for the character pages, they should each be unique, similar to the ones for the characters for the installments. Record doesn't have the same frames for the characters as Oriko for example, so why should all witches share the same format? Sweet Beanie (talk) 21:34, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Yeah I get it, I'll change it back into this template being this (Tho there are still changes I want), about the different Witch icons for the {media} characters pages I agree, especially if we use the new cards because we'll need transparent images of each witch, I'll focus on this template for now. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 22:02, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Witch Card Example

Zenobia Runes ZENOBIA Type Sandbox Witch Nature Immersion Appearances Magia Record Game, Magia Record Episode 1, Magia Exedra English description The Witch of Sandboxes. Her nature is Immersion. This Witch has strong preferences and never compromises. She is trying to build an acceptable sandcastle, but she can never satisfy herself. She has destroyed and rebuilt her castles so many times she doesn't even remember what she wanted to create in the first place. When she does manage to make a nice castle, she feels much better for a while, but ends up destroying it again. She looks like a young lady, but acts like a little child. If she is interrupted when she is playing with her sand, she cries and goes on a rampage. Japanese description こだわりが非常に強く妥協することを知らない魔女。満足できる砂の城を作ろうとしているが、納得できずに何度も切り崩している。今となっては、魔女自身もどういったものを作りたかったのか分からなくなってしまったただ、それでもそれなりに立派なお城が出来ると結局崩してしまうとはいえ一時的に機嫌はよくなるらしい年頃の女性を思わせる容姿に反し性格は幼稚そのもの。砂遊びを邪魔されると泣きわめいて大暴れする。

Rune type

Hey! This is all looking great so far. I was just curious how this template would display different rune types. In case you don't know what I mean, I mean the archaic variant (ISHMAEL), modern variant (ishmael), and musical variant (ISHMAEL). ~ Amaterasu (talk) 12:08, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

The modern variant should just be displayed by making the letter in {{{runes}}} uncapitalized, though I don't think any witches use them? I know Nightmares use Latin runes but they're not a font on this wiki. For musical that would probably need a {{{runes_variant}}} argument. I'm really stumped on how to display the runes with the names overall, the translated names should definitely not stay in parenthesis (because of extra parenthesis like "first form") but then again I don't think them being side by side looks good, especially in cases like Oktavia where the name is really long. I was thinking of putting the runes onto the display (kinda like the witch cards have it) but I don't really know how to do that. The same goes for the descriptions, I wish they stretched out to the display's height but nothing I do seems to work, I can only request for someone else to do it :( . - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 12:34, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Oh, I could have sworn that Modern was used somewhere, but looking at the Witches, I guess not? That's confusing to me. Thank you for clearing it up for me! ~ Amaterasu (talk) 12:25, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Last edits

I think I'm ready to be done with this page, I've added all the customization I can think of, and I think it looks good. The last two things I have a problem with are brackets for the Japanese names of the Uwasa, I don't really understand the Nihongo template so idk if it's better to just not use it. The same goes for the tabs flowing over the image, since they have a fixed length, but I have NO idea how to make it fit into the table cell. If someone knows how to do that please do and if anyone has any other feedback Im ready to edit! (last thing, should the template be called something else? I don't really like the name but I don't kow an alternative either) - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:47, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

This is really f####### good. Fantastic work. It looks so amazing, I love it. I could probably load more compliments on you but it I think you understand. You did a wonderful job. ~ Amaterasu (talk) 17:53, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Are you okay with me implementing this into Witch pages? I assume you would be since you said that you're done, but I want to make sure. ~ Amaterasu (talk) 17:55, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

First of all thank youu. Second of all, yeah if we're not changing the name you can start implementing them for witches, especially since the changes I want won't need extra changes on the witch pages, just the template. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:05, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Seems like there's no Polina sprite. I'll hold off on making her a Witch Card for now. ~ Amaterasu (talk) 23:58, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

As for the name, nobody except editors are really going to see it. It shouldn't be a big deal no matter what it's called. Witch Card is descriptive enough to work fine, so I don't see a reason to change it. ~ Amaterasu (talk) 17:57, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Witch update needed list

This is just a list to keep track which Witches/Uwasa/Familiars need the new template. Witches/Uwasa listed on their own also need their Familiars/Minor Uwasa to be updated. Feel free to add/subtract as needed. ~ Amaterasu (talk) 01:02, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

I replaced the list with a dynamic one. It might be slow to update sometimes, but you can force it to update immediately by just clicking "Edit" and then saving without making any changes. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:13, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Okay it seems like all are done, the only ones left were Inu Daruma Brothers and talk or user pages, unless someone wants to change Inu Daruma Brothers, every card has been replaced! Now the character pages. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:32, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

We should leave Inu Daruma Bros. in my opinion. I don't think the page gets a lot of traffic anyway, so it's not a big deal. Besides, it's not like we have access to transparent art of them. ~ Amaterasu (talk) 22:32, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Old Witch Cards

Should the witch cards from the old official website go to their respective witch galleries, like Charlotte or Gerturde? UraniaPandemos (talk) 04:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, since they're from the website they should probably go into official art - other art. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 06:29, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Magia Exedra Cards

How should we make exedra cards? Obviously we have sprites, backgrounds and witch kisses, but should we use the stylized runes for all of them? I'm pretty sure they're in the files. And what about Uwasa, should they get new cards too? I know they have stylized jp names that appear like runes, but their descriptions are the exact same. I also don't think they should have appearances (since they're not a form/variant they're the appearance) and I'll change that now, but what about the original cards, should they have Magia Exedra in their appearances?, I'm editing Suleika and her old card is from concept art that never became canon, so I don't think it should have Magia Exedra in appearances should it??. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 14:25, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Yes for your first and second questions. I think they should have Magia Exedra in their appearances, as well. Suleika's old art is, as you said, concept art, and should not be included as a card. ~ Amaterasu (talk) 14:49, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Another question (not really exedra specific but didnt care enough to make a new section), do we keep the order of familiars by appearance? I think it looks messy especially on Gertrud's and Oktavia's pages, wouldn't it be better if we grouped them by familiar, like keep anthonies in one group (with the appearance order staying so exedra ver one would still be under rental ver) and adelberts under?. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 08:49, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

I'm afraid I dont know quite what you're asking. Do you mean grouping the Familiars by type/name instead of by appearance? ~ Amaterasu (talk) 22:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Basically yes, it wouldn't affect many witch pages as most of them dont even have more than one familiar "type", but pages like Gertrud show what I mean. The Familiar cards feel messy and unorganized, even though they aren't. I think if we grouped the cards by type/name (so like Anthony and Adelbert) it would just look better.

How it looks now	How it would look
Anthony Adelbert Anthony (Rental ver.) Anthony (Magia Exedra) Adelbert (Magia Exedra)	Anthony Anthony (Rental ver.) Anthony (Magia Exedra) Adelbert Adelbert (Magia Exedra)

Again the cards "inside the groups" could still be organized by appearance. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 08:59, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Witches w/o BG

What BG do we put for the witches without any pictures for their barriers? Like the Spin-off witches and Witches like Shitori Egumo, Itzli, and Quitterie? UraniaPandemos (talk) 15:44, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

For portable witches I think we'd have to get them from portable itself, but that could be a hastle, especially since I have no idea how to datamine so I don't know how hard that would be. For now I think we could deal with backgroundless displays, but it'll look off, I can think of adding a border around where the background would be. For cases like Embryo eve I think we could use Kamihama as a background? It's not a labyrinth but it'll fit. For manga witches I think we should just create an universal background or something. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 16:00, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

I'll try and see if I can make something for the manga witches. I'll leave the protable witches for later since I'm not sure what to do for their bgs. UraniaPandemos (talk) 16:23, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be better for manga witches to only use cutouts of them in their labyrinths? Instead of a separate background of them? I doubt we have cutouts of the manga witches regardless so we just don't use a photo for the labyrinth and instead just use a screenshot of the witch. For example, let's make one for Carmen, we would only need to use the one photo from the manga that we have of her, no need for a labyrinth or witch's kiss. Sweet Beanie (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

I agree with Carmen using the screenshot but that's because her panel is really clear, but witches from Kazumi or Oriko don't really have those, unless we use their production images (these), then we won't have a good look at the witch. I do want the backgrounds to be their labyrinths but I don't know how to do that AND have the image of them be good. Since we already have Hyades Daybreak cut out we can test on her. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:29, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Then again cropping them out might take longer than we want, so for now we should just use already uploaded panels. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:47, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

I've tested and I think we should use both, as in both cropped out and panels. There are panels of the witches that are good, and I can agree with using them, but in cases like of Ritterrüstung von Heulsuse her production art is way cleaner, so I think getting it cut out would be best, then again I don't know if we should use backgrounds for that case, especially since there's basically 0 clear images of their barriers. We could just use a pure white background if the manga background is a bit too much. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:16, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

I think a pure white bg would be good instead of the bg I uploaded. UraniaPandemos (talk) 05:41, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

“Stylized”…?

I don’t really get this. Why are people going to all the trouble to upload images of the runes for various witches? What advantage does that provide over just typing out the runes? Why does it matter what colour they are in the actual game/anime/whatever? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:55, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it's pretty unnecessary, too. Even if the runes were super stylized on Witch introduction, the games (Reco/Exedra) just use the plainest ones possible. Barely anything used Modern/Musical runes, anyway. I could see the argument *maybe* for something like File:Witches_Artwork_06.jpg maybe, but even then, plain runes are right on the same page... EPF (talk) 05:04, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Eh it was really just for customization, I wanted to keep as many aspects of the old cards to the new ones, and many of them had those stylized runes from the anime/games. I've only uploaded one poorly cropped for testing (this) but I did plan to crop it better in the future. For the exedra runes (these) it was just to differentiate them from the normal cards more. Eh it's all just optional but I thought it would look better. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 12:31, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Characters Page

What's the plan for the witches in the character page? Trasparent pictures of the witches I suppose UraniaPandemos (talk) 10:52, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

What do you mean, exactly? ~ Amaterasu (talk) 12:05, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

The witch cards in the characters page since thats the last place where the old fanmade witch cards are still being used, I think. UraniaPandemos (talk) 12:58, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

I think the transparent image should be fine there. Maybe cropped if the witch is really big. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Is there a way to get all the cells to align properly? They all are differing heights UraniaPandemos (talk) 03:25, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Width

I've been unable to find a way to make the table fill the available width and also move to the next line if the window is narrow enough, but in case someone else does manage to think of a way to get the second half working, here's what I found for making it fill the available width:

<div style="overflow:hidden:">
<table class="witch-table" style="width:100%">
...
</table>
</div>

Perhaps putting the above in the CSS file in combination with some @media rules is the answer? Not sure. (Adding random amounts of spaces is definitely not the answer – even if that makes the table expand, it doesn't guarantee filling the available space.) ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:03, 6 August 2025 (UTC)