User talk:Sweet Beanie
Section Titles
When editing pages, please try to avoid changing section titles as much as possible, as that could very easily break links without any visible evidence until someone tries to follow them. If you absolutely must change a section title (and there will definitely be times when it's necessary), please be sure to use the What Links Here tool to find every link to the parent page and, if it happens to link to the renamed subtitle, update the link. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, my bad. Sorry, I'll avoid it in the future. Sweet Beanie (talk) 20:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Avoiding it is good, but as said, it's not like you should never do it. Just be sure to take the proper additional steps if you feel a rename is really necessary. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 22:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- You did it again. Please either revert the section title changes on Minor Uwasa or use Special:WhatLinksHere/Minor Uwasa to find the links and redirects you broke and fix them. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:01, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry. Fixed them. They should all be good now. Sweet Beanie (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)
Stubs
Can you please stop adding stubs where you plan to add content in the future? Like in this sequence of edits for example, or anything that uses "TBD" or similar terminology. The content should be added at the same time as the relevant headers. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:24, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
- Understood, I'll write it in a text fle and copy paste it when it's ready.Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
MagiReco Game Timeline
It looks like you're being a bit too ambitious. I suggest limiting the content on the Timelines page to only the main arc – no event stories (unless they're super important to the main plot, maaaybe?), no Magical Girl stories, no costume stories, not even Another Story (maaaybe the briefest mention if relevant to the main arc). I'm not sure if Mirror Story is important enough to go on that page.
That doesn't mean the other content shouldn't be summarized though – feel free to finish what I started on the Magia Record Timeline page and also slot in all the other content there. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:41, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oh god, thank you. I was scared of having to mention all of them. If anything, I think I'll mention where the smaller events that don't matter take place. Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:27, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
Timelines
I don't want to stomp on all your hard work, but I think the level of detail on that page is getting waaay past what it really needs to be.
To be clear, I think it's good to have this level of detail, but not on this page – there could be dedicated pages for each Magia Record arc, for example (actually, those pages already exist but have only the list of chapters – that could be expanded).
The level of detail for main timelines 1 and 2 seems about right to me. Some could have more detail, but not too much more. In particular, the Magia Record section is probably at least 10 times larger than it needs to be. There should probably be no more than a sentence or two for each chapter or event, maybe up to around 10 sentences if it's especially complicated (like Arc 1 Chapter 10), with a link to the full chapter summary on another page.
There was also a whole section that doesn't belong at all, which I deleted with the intent of moving it where it belongs (to Timeline (Historical)), but I only got through the first two sections. Just to make things easy in case you want to finish migrating it to the historical page, I've pasted the whole section below (though you could always retrieve it from the page history). (Note: There could still be a Pre-Arc 1 section on Timelines, but it would cover backstory, like the "N years ago" sections on Magia Record Timeline squashed down into an even smaller space.)
Anyway, my main point is that this should page should serve as firstly a brief summary, an overview of the franchise, and secondly as a view of how all the little pieces (events, Magical Girl stories, backstory details, whatever you think is important enough) fit together.
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- The Timeline (Historical) is meant to have the original historical records of the events that happened. Puella Historia has the members of the cast change the past, so while it might not belong in Timelines, it's not for Historical either. Would you agree to placing it in Magia Record Timeline and the game section of Timelines to just direct to it? Sweet Beanie (talk) 12:45, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- The page has a section for the Magia Record timeline too. Also, how do we know they change the past? I'm not aware of any reason to believe that either the Tart events or the Puella Historia events result in changing the past. I haven't watched the Puella Historia finale mind you, so perhaps there's something there, but if you're merely assuming they change the past then I don't think that's a good assumption. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- I meant the history before the Kamihama gangs went back in time. For example, originally, the Tart stuff goes exactly as in the manga, then Iroha, Yachiyo and Ui go to the past and make some changes, even if just in Tart's dream. Another example would be how Toyo had no friends until KaMoRe came from the future. The end result is mostly similar, but the original Toyo never met anyone named Rena Minami. Historical should be for the events without involving time travel, while other articles which include the present should tell of the time travel stuff, because it starts in the present (like Present-day Kamihama for Puella Historia), they go back in time (like Mirage of Alexandria, make some minute changes, usually preventing 10^-43 from messing things up), then they go back to the present. It's why I didn't bring the Historia MSS stories that didn't involve the girls from Kamihama to Timelines but added them as references in Historical. The people from the present didn't affect Ebony's MSS since it happened before the Tokime arrived to Alexandria. I intend to put the other events of the recent past in Kamihama to the Historical Magia Record section too, unless they involve any time travel. This would also be easier since Historical overall has less detail than I've put into my draft of events. Sweet Beanie (talk) 18:07, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, so it seems our disagreement can basically be traced back to a disagreement on what it really means to travel back in time. There seems to be an implicit assumption that Homura's form of time travel is the only form that exists, yet Amaryllis directly proves otherwise – her time travel method is very different. That already shows that there are multiple forms of time travel in the setting. That in turn implies that there's no guarantee that any two instances of time travel have properties in common. So, when analyzing time travel, we should avoid making assumptions. And it should be acknowledged that applying "common sense" to time travel just doesn't work. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 08:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, Tart events always played weirdly with the rules. Amaryllis' time travel is the most conventional, Iroha also did it once with that leaf in the Arc 2 finale. Homura supposedly goes back in time AND switches realities (Guitarist Kyosuke timeline). Mirrors time travel is weird because, the moment the mirror they traveled from shatters, the people traveling through it go back to where hey came from. Don't even get me started with Null Magica. Mikoto's was the only one that was said to bring paradoxes and potentially destroy the world, but it's ultimately unconfirmed. Sweet Beanie (talk) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- There is no such thing as "conventional" in time travel. The "switches realities" theory for Homura's time travel doesn't seem to be canon – Homura Tamura rolls it up to ridiculous, but there is nothing whatsoever in the show to support it (guitarist Kyosuke is clearly not canon). From what we actually see, her time travel is something like "stuffing her future soul into her past body". Amaryllis's time travel is the closest we get to a "wormhole" or "portal", where two versions of Amaryllis exist simultaneously. I think the only thing we can really conclude is that there are no rules for time travel in the setting – each time traveller has her own rules. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- I hate to bring up old points again, especially since the matter for which this discussion started has been settled, but if Guitarist Kyosuke can't be taken as canon, since the information comes from a witch card, then what about Cleopatra and Himiko? Why are the production notes of Cleopatra and Himiko from episode 11 taken as canon proof they're magical girls, and the Historia versions of them are taken as a separate universe? From what we saw, we never got confirmation that that was Cleopatra or Himiko except runes of their names and production notes saying they were. Toyo's event even had a cop-out with justifying that the japanese girl from episode 12 was Himiko's shrine maiden. I don't even think we saw Cleopatra's soul gem, and it's not like Tart (from episode 12) where it's so specific and has hard evidence that it's Jeanne of Arc as a magical girl. Sweet Beanie (talk) 09:49, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- The identity of Cleopatra does not depend on any production notes. The scenes showing her in the anime are very clearly her. I don't know whether or not the same applies to Himiko, but I would say runes of their names are sufficient as evidence to their canon identity. I'm not sure if there's direct evidence in the anime that Cleopatra was a magical girl, though – it's possible it's merely inferred from the fact that all the other historical characters depicted are magical girls. She is clasping something to her chest that could be a soul gem, but unlike with Tart, we can't see any evidence that it is. But the main point here is that their identity is clear enough from the anime without resorting to production notes. This is definitely true for Cleopatra at least. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:14, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
- I hate to bring up old points again, especially since the matter for which this discussion started has been settled, but if Guitarist Kyosuke can't be taken as canon, since the information comes from a witch card, then what about Cleopatra and Himiko? Why are the production notes of Cleopatra and Himiko from episode 11 taken as canon proof they're magical girls, and the Historia versions of them are taken as a separate universe? From what we saw, we never got confirmation that that was Cleopatra or Himiko except runes of their names and production notes saying they were. Toyo's event even had a cop-out with justifying that the japanese girl from episode 12 was Himiko's shrine maiden. I don't even think we saw Cleopatra's soul gem, and it's not like Tart (from episode 12) where it's so specific and has hard evidence that it's Jeanne of Arc as a magical girl. Sweet Beanie (talk) 09:49, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- There is no such thing as "conventional" in time travel. The "switches realities" theory for Homura's time travel doesn't seem to be canon – Homura Tamura rolls it up to ridiculous, but there is nothing whatsoever in the show to support it (guitarist Kyosuke is clearly not canon). From what we actually see, her time travel is something like "stuffing her future soul into her past body". Amaryllis's time travel is the closest we get to a "wormhole" or "portal", where two versions of Amaryllis exist simultaneously. I think the only thing we can really conclude is that there are no rules for time travel in the setting – each time traveller has her own rules. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, Tart events always played weirdly with the rules. Amaryllis' time travel is the most conventional, Iroha also did it once with that leaf in the Arc 2 finale. Homura supposedly goes back in time AND switches realities (Guitarist Kyosuke timeline). Mirrors time travel is weird because, the moment the mirror they traveled from shatters, the people traveling through it go back to where hey came from. Don't even get me started with Null Magica. Mikoto's was the only one that was said to bring paradoxes and potentially destroy the world, but it's ultimately unconfirmed. Sweet Beanie (talk) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Now, I am not aware of any reason to believe that "the history before the Kamihama gangs went back in time" is something that exists. It's quite within reason to believe that they went back in time because they went back in time. Time travel messes up causality, after all. I am not aware of any convincing evidence that Yachiyo and Ui "make some changes" to the past. Indeed, the Maiden of Hope explicitly questions this theory – it points out that the fact of "Tart remembered Yachiyo and Iroha" may have been true already before they went back, and they just didn't know. It also points out that the sweet dreams charm with the red and blue candles has no origin – Melissa learned it from Iroha, and then Melissa passed it down through history until Iroha learned it. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 08:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- I actually agree with that. However, I think historical should have the barebones of the story, like "Cleopatra dies," since it's ultimately unconfirmed whether they were always meant to be there. Sweet Beanie (talk) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- So unless we can find references to strongly support the idea that history was changed (such as an actual non-speculative statement in the game itself about what the history was like "before the change"), then I think it's simpler to assume it wasn't. Based on that premise, they didn't go back in time and change history – they went back in time so that they could replicate the true history that led to their present day. I doubt either version of the theory is strongly-supported by the evidence, mind you, but without explicit data on "pre-change" histories, anything you put there would be speculation. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 08:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- An argument I could make to say that they weren't always meant to go to the past is that Mikoto, having seen the past, didn't comment on the Kamihama girls being there or change her mind by saying "well at some point I agree with them so why prolong the inevitable". The Pillar of Tomorrow has her talk with Iroha about how she's satisfied with Iroha now after she's done with her work. Sweet Beanie (talk) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, so it seems our disagreement can basically be traced back to a disagreement on what it really means to travel back in time. There seems to be an implicit assumption that Homura's form of time travel is the only form that exists, yet Amaryllis directly proves otherwise – her time travel method is very different. That already shows that there are multiple forms of time travel in the setting. That in turn implies that there's no guarantee that any two instances of time travel have properties in common. So, when analyzing time travel, we should avoid making assumptions. And it should be acknowledged that applying "common sense" to time travel just doesn't work. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 08:13, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Ultimately, can we agree to not put any time travel in Historical? I feel like Timelines is the exact place for time travel shenanigans? Sweet Beanie (talk) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say it's the place for "time travel shenanigans". It started out as an analysis of timelines formed specifically from Homura's actions, not timelines in general. It would certainly make sense to briefly cover the Historia and Tart time travel situations in Timelines, but I'd say that should slot in from the future perspective, rather than in a "historical" section. In other words, it's mentioned at the point when they travel back in time, rather than having a section to itself in the past. But giving a full summary of the event would probably be too cluttered, I think.
- I think the main detail of the Puella Historia stories definitely belongs in Timeline (Historical), though if you really want to phrase that summary to avoid mentioning the time travellers, I guess it wouldn't hurt. From the context of the Historia series, the goal is to "prevent the past from changing", so I think it's most reasonable to conclude that the time travellers (including the Witch of Symbols) had only very minor net effects on the past events. And the History A vs History B of Amaryllis's story also belongs there, in my opinion. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'm glad we can agree. Sweet Beanie (talk) 09:49, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Ultimately, can we agree to not put any time travel in Historical? I feel like Timelines is the exact place for time travel shenanigans? Sweet Beanie (talk) 10:15, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
Too Many Files
Why are you uploading the entire UI of Magia Record? We don't need most of those files. The backgrounds and the item icons are fine in theory, though I think about half of them are duplicates. Most of the rest is useless. There are probably a few exceptions, but we definitely don't need stuff like bits of buttons that are cut up so the button can be made any width desired. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm done with the files now. I thought it would be better to have them than not have them, especially since a lot of backgrounds are missing from where they should be. I'm done with bulk files for now, at most I will upload a few files for magia record event galleries.Sweet Beanie (talk) 20:14, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think there's any worth in having the buttons that you click on in the game, unless there's some nice picture on it. I haven't gone through your list in detail yet, but I'm probably going to delete about 1/4 of the ones that aren't backgrounds when I find time. And there's definitely' no worth in having the numbers in a special font. It's nice that you're helping by uploading missing stuff, but in future please do triage before uploading, not after. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- Of course, thank you. Sweet Beanie (talk) 20:28, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- Looks like I was right about duplicates. I found at least one case where the same files were uploaded under different names, on Mikazuki Villa. I think you'd find most of them if you go through all the backgrounds and file them into appropriate articles – the duplicate would already be there in most cases. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:33, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'll get to putting all the backgrounds to where they should be soon.Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:42, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- Looks like I was right about duplicates. I found at least one case where the same files were uploaded under different names, on Mikazuki Villa. I think you'd find most of them if you go through all the backgrounds and file them into appropriate articles – the duplicate would already be there in most cases. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:33, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- Of course, thank you. Sweet Beanie (talk) 20:28, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think there's any worth in having the buttons that you click on in the game, unless there's some nice picture on it. I haven't gone through your list in detail yet, but I'm probably going to delete about 1/4 of the ones that aren't backgrounds when I find time. And there's definitely' no worth in having the numbers in a special font. It's nice that you're helping by uploading missing stuff, but in future please do triage before uploading, not after. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, I have:
- Deleted a ton of files that are just particle effects, backgrounds, or pure text.
- Deleted the duplicate icon images and categorized the rest in Category:Magia Record Item Icons (fortunately the wiki identified these duplicates for me). If you know anything about those icons, you can add their info to Magia Record Items.
- Deleted the duplicate disk icons and element icons.
- Filtered out a few clearly useful ones, such as the Kimochi stones.
- Collected the rest here.
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- I think most of these should be deleted too, but I've added notes to a few that seem like perhaps they could be useful. In particular, I'm inclined to consider all the item icons in the above list as duplicates of their much higher-res counterparts currently in Category:Magia Record Item Icons. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:32, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- Please, don't just drag the entire contents of a dump into the upload field. You should review every file before deciding to upload it. We don't need the various crops and resizes of the kioku images – just the full kioku image is plenty. We don't need random featureless UI art like the film strip either – unless you have a specific use for it in mind, but in that case it should be uploaded alongside the edit that makes use of it. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 22:59, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'm going to say it again. Please stop blindly uploading the entire asset dump without bothering to look through it. We don't need random special effects textures or UI graphics or thumbnails or crops or anything like that. Please sort out the most relevant graphics before dragging them onto the Ms Upload button. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:50, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
Irregulars
Why are Riz's former companions on this category? I can see why those contracted by Isabeau, but they were contracted by Kyubey.
I included them because I assumed that Riz's wish would have also applied to them and not just Tart. ~ Amaterasu (talk) 13:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
Labyrinth Spaces
Homura was able to enhance one of her rooms to turn it into a white room with floating graphics about Walpurgisnacht through this, and this application of magic seems to do little more than create a small pocket dimension for extra space and visuals.
Where is the justification for this? It sounds like more of a fan theory than established fact to me (in which case it should use the speculation templates), but it's possible I'm missing something. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:54, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Common Abilities
While I'm on the topic of possible fan theories, it strikes me as varying levels of questionable to include the following in "common abilities":
- Storage/Hammerspace: I can maybe see justification for this in the robes of the Wings of the Magius or Elisa's weapon (which was created by Pernelle, so it's not the magically-summoned weapon that many girls use). But even then, I'm not sure we have sufficient evidence to say that that's an ability of the girl, rather than an ability of the robes or the weapon. Also, when it comes to the robes, there's some evidence that they don't get stored in any kind of hammerspace.
- Energy Blasts: If this was such an easy ability to learn, how are there so many magical girls that have no way to attack?
- Summon Barriers: This is kind of unclear. It seems to be fairly common for magical girls to learn barrier-like defensive abilities (both Mami and Kyoko did) but I don't see the justification for calling the ability "common to all magical girls".
- Clones: Very few magical girls have been demonstrated to use clones, so it seems very far-fetched to call it "common to all magical girls".
- Teleportation: As above – teleportation actually seems to be a very rare ability as far as I can tell.
It would be less of an issue if the section was "abilities that many magical girls learn" rather than "abilities that all magical girls possess". But other entries in the section clearly are abilities that all possess. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:54, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Got a couple more to add:
- Conjuration: I'm not aware of any concrete examples of magical girls conjuring random items. The most notable example, Mami's muskets, is actually a counter-example – she built those muskets from her ribbons. And if she can build a musket from ribbons, she can probably build a teacup too.
- Containers: I'm only aware of two magical girls (Mitama and Niko Kanna) who've created containers (ignoring Alina and her little green cubes, as that's explicitly her unique power). Thus, it seems to me that this should be mentioned as powers of those two girls, rather than in common powers.
~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:28, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Bulk Explanation
I'll give the explanations for each of them. How I justify all of it is that if many girls have the same ability, which is nt their unique ability, then it can be learned to some extent. Maybe there should be a new section for "Learnable Abilities":
- Labyrinth Spaces: Homura's room did have magic added to it. I called it a labyrinth space because it shifts to Homura's emotions and memories when she hugs Madoka. But that may be non-diegetic. However, Madoka also saw the murals of Walpurgisnacht and asking her about it. Homura couldn't have possibly had that room on her own, so it seems reasonable to be a common application of magic. My logic is that if a power isn't classified as unique to the girl, then it's something learnable. In one of the Tart events, Minou had also added enchantments and stuff to the space around her territory, but it wasn't clear what she'd done. In Kazumi, several characters (like Umika, Niko and Kazumi) did it in various ways, and not just inside the freezer, but that's where it was most common.
- Storage/Hammerspace: Many girls just kind of pull small stuff out of nowhere, but the clearest example of the summoning thing for the storage is when Matsuri pulled out a grief seed from a magical sigil. It is possible the Feathers' robes have the power to store them, but at the very least, Iroha, Kuroe and Matsuri have all stored small objects somewhere on their person (usually just grief seeds, but it still counts). Elisa and Tart's weapons are also proof of this, as well as the obvious Homura shield.
- Energy Blasts: The Feathers attack Eve en mass during the AniReco finale. Feathers are also generally weak, plus Homura also used the same technique, same with Kyoko in AniReco. It stands to reason that it takes a bit of training.
- Summon Barriers: It was already there when I got to the article, but it is a normal application of magic which has been done many times. Natsuki deliberately learned it, and as you said, Kyoko and Mami also did it. Yuuri did the same thing too.
- Clones: Mami and Kanae are obvious, but it's clearly a learned ability that the girls can learn since Kanae and Mami are both different, plus these clones were clearly different from Kyoko's phantom clone ability.
- Teleportation: If you look at the battle animations, many girls are able to use it in short bursts. And since Suzune was able to learn it with her fire magic, as well as so many battle and magia animations, it seems to be a learnable thing.
I'll add and split these and others into "abilities that magical girls can learn" or something along those linesas you say.
- I have quite a lot to say here, so I'm going to split my response up into one spoilerbox per entry. Suffice to say though that I'm not convinced by your arguments. Most of them seem to be full of holes. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
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This is what we're trying to determine, so it's not part of the argument. I'll assume that "it shifts when she hugs Madoka" is a fact. What makes you believe that the shift is in response to Homura's emotions? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
A character asking about it doesn't prove anything. Homura's response theoretically could, but I don't recall her saying anything relevant in the scene I think you're referring to. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
This doesn't seem to be a reasonable initial assumption. I don't think anything was ever said about it directly, and it seems quite plausible to me for it to be something like a "video wall", or perhaps some form of video projection. In other words, the wall can be explained by technology, so bringing in magic as an explanation isn't necessary. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to here. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
There is quite a gulf between "it's possible to learn this power" and "this is something that any girl can learn". And prior to your recent edits (which I've yet to look at), you were strongly implying the latter. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC) |
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Okay, but in how many of those cases are we able to prove that they didn't just pull them out of a pocket? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC) I'm not sure what event this is referring to. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
Did that happen in the anime? And can we prove they weren't just in a pocket? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
No, I don't think they are. I don't recall the mechanism for their weapons being explained, but it seems to me that "Pernelle enchanted them to do that" is an easier explanation than "every magical girl can do that". ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
This one was never in question. But one example does not indicate a pattern. Homura's case is also very different from everything else mentioned here. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
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Hmm, I suppose things that the feathers use can reasonably be extrapolated to "any magical girl can learn this". But when exactly did they use energy blasts? My understanding is that the feathers attack by enchanting chains to move according to their will, making it essentially a form of telekinesis, as well as a specific application of enchantments. I don't know how that leads to energy blasts. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
When? Though, Homura or Kyoko using it doesn't really prove much. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
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The problem with this one is that all the girls who learn barriers have dramatically different barriers. Kyoko's barrier is made of criss-crossed chains, Mami's is made out of ribbons, and Yuuri's if I recall correctly was some kind of force shield. I don't know what Natsuki's was like. But 4 people creating 4 dramatically different types of barriers doesn't seem like it screams "this is something anyone can learn". It's more of a "they all figured out a way to protect things with the magic they were given". ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
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Mami yes, but what exactly is obvious about Kanae? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
It's not clear at all, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
And this here totally undermines the argument that clones are a common power that any girl can learn. If two (or three) girls develop a clone ability, but each of the three are dramatically different, that doesn't really point to anything common. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
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That's a massive stretch. If you're judging from battle animations, there's no way to tell the difference between "teleported" and "moved too fast to see". This is the first I've heard of Suzune having any kind of teleport magic. Are you talking about "Heat Haze"? I'm pretty sure that's invisibility, not teleport. The name strongly implies as such as well. Again, judging teleportation from the animations is a huge stretch. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
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Scene 0
I would say that Scene 0 does not have any map. None of the files you uploaded for it give any indication of what it would actually look like in-game, because all those elements are layered together with parallax to produce the final effect. It may be worth posting screenshots of Scene 0 from in-game, to show the final look, but the individual elements that make it up (other than ones that have actual content) don't belong on the wiki. We want to show what the game looks like, not rip all the assets and distribute them. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 22:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Understood. I just saw that the file was changed back to how it was, but the files were missing, so I though I'd add them just in case they changed their mind. Sweet Beanie (talk) 07:09, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
Discord
Your Discord acc got hacked, it just sent me some crypto scam EPF (talk) 13:09, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah I saw that. I changed the password now. I'm really sorry, I didn't do that. Sweet Beanie (talk) 07:19, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
Sections
Just a minor note, but when moving text from one section to another, I'd suggest using the edit link at the top of the page rather than making two section edits, so that the add and remove can be seen as a single edit. I realize this can make your work a bit harder, but I think Ctrl+F should mostly cover that… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 19:26, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
Thumbnails
Excuse me, have you found the Halloween Witch thumbnails like these? I can't find them in the upload log.Hotaru (talk) 21:04, 7 December 2025 (UTC)
- I'll look for them, I've just been very busy these past two weeks. Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:13, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
Some Missing Thumbnails
Sorry to bother you, but I noticed that some enemy thumbnails seem to be missing. Could you please help add the following thumbnails?
- 621001 ~ 621015: Blessed Witch and Oscar
- 620006: Chelation Land Mascot (green)
--Hilbert88 (talk) 16:29, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
- May I ask which kind? The ones that are circular or the ones that look like windows? Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:23, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
- circular. --Hilbert88 (talk) 10:54, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
- Here Sweet Beanie (talk) 13:54, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
- circular. --Hilbert88 (talk) 10:54, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
- thanks!! --Hilbert88 (talk) 03:19, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
- ofc. Tell me whenever another one is missing. I may have missed a few. Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:19, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
- thanks!! --Hilbert88 (talk) 03:19, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
- Im not fully sure but since Momoko is a boss in Commoner's Horse, and you uploaded a full sprite of her (File:101401 original.png) along with Rena, Kaede, the Amanes, Oriko and Kirika, does that mean that Touka and Holy Mami have those too? - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 09:12, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
- Unfortunately no. There are for other enemies but those seven are the only complete sprites for the human characters. Sweet Beanie (talk) 09:38, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
Coming here again cause you missed some before, so when you upload the new files from today's update you dont miss these.
- All the Soldier icons
- Zakuro's icon
- TheresaFrog421 (talk) 14:28, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
- Here, let me know if I've missed any ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 17:07, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
Coming here again, currently all Crépuscule de La Reine sprites and icons are missing, and I also forgot to mention last time that Raspberry's Nightmare form sprite and icon is missing. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:14, 19 May 2026 (UTC)
- Done, I think. Let me know if I've missed any. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:02, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
Idk if they're just missing, but you missed Izabel's Apex and Apex Overdrive form sprites (and icons obv), you did upload the Apex labyrinths and some of her textures so that's why I'm asking if you couldnt find them. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 22:56, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
- I must've missed them. I uploaded them now ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:27, 1 June 2026 (UTC)
Upload request

Could you upload all of the Exedra Event banners? I've changed Magia Exedra Events to use the portraits as the event images, but I think these banners would fit way better, right now we only have the banner for the first part of Crescent Memoria. (While you're at it pls upload the Serene Symbiosis portrait from the Doppel Mami event, I uploaded it but since I just grabbed it off of the Exedra wiki it has a different file name than the others, so pls upload it with the correct file name) - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 10:39, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
- The files for the new event haven't been added to the database I use yet (don't wanna say in case THEY'RE listening), otherwise I would have implemented them. The only one I was able to find is the photo item. It's possible that it will update with the next event and in that case I'll upload it then. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 18:13, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
- Okay I'll be more patient, otherwise thank you ^^. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:27, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
This is a very random request, but could you upload the texture files for the Tower and Upgrade Quests Windows?
I remember you uploading the texture of one of the Scene 0 windows (deleted now), so I know they're somewhere, I wanna try(?) arranging them so that we can have them with transparent backgrounds (since its just me arranging textures off of screenshots it won't be very accurate, but if this is our only way of getting them now, I wanna do it). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:22, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
I just remembered something I wanted to also ask for- When Witches are in Score Attacks, their Witch Kiss is displayed in the Score Attack menu, and I know that when Uwasa are Score Attack bosses Uwasa-san's face is displayed there. I know that the "emblem" files are tied to the Chamber of Light, and that the Uwasa don't have Uwasa-san's face there, so is there a way to get that file of somehow? It would be a nice addition to the Enemy pages. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:08, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
- I found these (I couldn't find the third Uwasa icon, I looked everywhere it's just nonexistent). I'll look for the score attack stuff in the meantime, though if I could get the file names for anything in score attack that has been uploaded, it will be easier. Until then, these are all I could find ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 10:40, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you! I don't remember a SINGLE thing that's unique to the Score attacks that has been uploaded here, so I have no idea what the file names could be, but thank you so much again. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 11:00, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

- Coming back here cause I realized, if its possible to get Witch Kisses from the windows (Like you did with Winchester's Kiss), could you get the Witch's Kiss from Corbeau's Window? - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 22:51, 6 July 2026 (UTC)
- Seems like it'd be possible, but it might be a little difficult to erase the line down the centre... does Corbeau not have a witch kiss elsewhere, like from the Score Attack? (Oh, but if it's a texture file, perhaps the line won't be in the actual image, so you could be lucky. On the other hand, textures are sometimes at a weird angle, so who knows.) ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:26, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
- I recall finding and uploading the icon in the past. If it's not in the files, I'll look for it. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 07:47, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
- Apparently it only exists on this:
, but not on its own, not even as part of the assets for the windows. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:08, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
- Aw T-T. Well, thank you for checking anyway. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 09:50, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
- Seems like it'd be possible, but it might be a little difficult to erase the line down the centre... does Corbeau not have a witch kiss elsewhere, like from the Score Attack? (Oh, but if it's a texture file, perhaps the line won't be in the actual image, so you could be lucky. On the other hand, textures are sometimes at a weird angle, so who knows.) ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:26, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
Timelines Ready
Putting this here cause idk if you're caught up on the timelines talk page, the list is "done". We agreed to just fuse Darc into Historical, same for Kazumi and Suzune into the "prelude" of the timelines. We also agreed that if any of them are big enough they could deserve their own pages, but not right now. We don't really know what to do with the Kirara Magica stuff as we decided that Other/Alt doesnt really have a reason to exist when Magia Exedra/Other does, Celtic said that they would rather decide after the articles are made. The last thing is that the nightmare stories from Exedra should go into either Original/Other or Magia Record/Other depending on where they happen, as they're "posibilities", which yeah means theyre not really canon but they still fit into those universes, as theyre posibilities. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:34, 28 June 2026 (UTC)
- Understood. I am very busy irl for the moment but I should e free tomorrow and I'll get to it, as well as finding the files of the latest exedra update. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 15:31, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- So to make sure I understand correctly, this is the list right? If not just edit it and I'll do it tomorrow. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 15:57, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- Yes that's what we ended up with. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I reverted it. You just cut-and-pasted the content from one page to the other, instead of using the Move function (which is available to all users by the way, under "More"). For now I've moved all the Timelines articles to Timeline; you can redo the rest from there when you find the time. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:22, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- Well dont just delete them, there's been changes that are lost and have to be redone now, plus some pages will have to be cut-and-pasted anyway like Magireco/Historical and Magireco/Prelude (cause right now theyre one page, and you cant really move one page to 2). Atleast move some of the pages yourself since you can move them without leaving redirects. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 23:50, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah, some of them couldn't have just been moved, but those that could have been should have been. And nothing has been lost, for the record – if there's something that's really difficult to redo, I can recover it.
- Are there any right now that should be moved without leaving redirects? That is, their content will be the same (or mostly the same) but their final name will be different? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:55, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- Im not really sure just how many there are to move? A lot of the ones you already moved still seem to have that issue of "being just copy pasted instead of moved" like Timeline/Magia Record Game/Arc 1 -> Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 1. Same goes for the individual timeline articles that got later fused into a single Scene 0 article. I just think its too much trouble trying to preserve the history when its so messy. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 00:03, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- It's true that perfectly preserving all the history isn't really feasible, since there's no concept of "merge" or "split" in the wiki's diff system, but we shouldn't actively work against it. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:08, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- I mean yeah you're right, but this feels like too much, Imo you should just undelete/revert the pages, like yes history is important, it helps to see what person wrote what, but I don't really think its worth this much trouble when a lot of the history will be lost anyway. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 00:11, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- I deleted all the ones that were requested for deletion, and moved their talk pages to appropriate places. Other than that, I probably won't do anything more today, but I will look over the diffs of the deleted pages later to make sure nothing crucial was lost. So if you want to hold off on redoing anything that's not a straight and simple copy-paste until I get to that, feel free. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Okay, I think you should just undelete the ones that would have to be copy and pasted anyway, those are:
- Each one of these was split off from an article that was big, now I think you should move:
- Timeline/Miscellaneous -> Timeline/Original/Other OR Timeline/Miscellaneous -> Timeline/Other (depending on where you want the history)
- Timeline/Original -> Timeline/Original/Historical OR leave it like it is and undelete Timeline/Original/Historical (depending on where you want the history)
- Timeline/Magia Record -> Timeline/Magia Record/Historical OR leave it like it is and undelete Timeline/Magia Record/Historical (depending on where you want the history)
- - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 07:01, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Okay, I undeleted the ones you listed. If I understand correctly, the three you've listed as "either move or undelete" are cases where big articles were split in half. Am I right on this point? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 14:20, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, you still have to move Timeline/Original and Timeline/Miscellaneous, idk how it works but if you can, undelete the versions you deleted of Timeline/Original and Timeline/Other (after moving). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:07, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- That's done. I assume some things need to be deleted from the moved pages… anything else? I did restore some content onto a few other pages as well (and am still slowly working through that). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:37, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- There's still pages to delete - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Also Timeline/Original was different as I recall. Specifically in its split & parallel timelines section. As it is now it's inaccurate to the current setup. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 15:49, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Done. I can see there are still some differences between the current Timeline page and the previous revision, so I'll dump that at User:Sweet Beanie/Timeline since I'm not sure which version is better. As for
Timeline/Original, it looks like it's mostly just reordered, but I'll take another look at it. Are there any other pages with missing parts that I should look up? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:52, 1 July 2026 (UTC)- Other than that, it seems fine. Thank you ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 15:55, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Timeline/Original wasn't the one I was thinking of that seemed reordered. It was Timeline/Original/Other. Timeline/Original was directly undeleted after renaming the previous revision to Timeline/Original/Historical, so it should be exactly the same; and if there's something missing it would be in Historical. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:58, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- There's still pages to delete - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- That's done. I assume some things need to be deleted from the moved pages… anything else? I did restore some content onto a few other pages as well (and am still slowly working through that). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:37, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, you still have to move Timeline/Original and Timeline/Miscellaneous, idk how it works but if you can, undelete the versions you deleted of Timeline/Original and Timeline/Other (after moving). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:07, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Okay, I undeleted the ones you listed. If I understand correctly, the three you've listed as "either move or undelete" are cases where big articles were split in half. Am I right on this point? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 14:20, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- I deleted all the ones that were requested for deletion, and moved their talk pages to appropriate places. Other than that, I probably won't do anything more today, but I will look over the diffs of the deleted pages later to make sure nothing crucial was lost. So if you want to hold off on redoing anything that's not a straight and simple copy-paste until I get to that, feel free. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- I mean yeah you're right, but this feels like too much, Imo you should just undelete/revert the pages, like yes history is important, it helps to see what person wrote what, but I don't really think its worth this much trouble when a lot of the history will be lost anyway. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 00:11, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- It's true that perfectly preserving all the history isn't really feasible, since there's no concept of "merge" or "split" in the wiki's diff system, but we shouldn't actively work against it. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:08, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Im not really sure just how many there are to move? A lot of the ones you already moved still seem to have that issue of "being just copy pasted instead of moved" like Timeline/Magia Record Game/Arc 1 -> Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 1. Same goes for the individual timeline articles that got later fused into a single Scene 0 article. I just think its too much trouble trying to preserve the history when its so messy. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 00:03, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Well dont just delete them, there's been changes that are lost and have to be redone now, plus some pages will have to be cut-and-pasted anyway like Magireco/Historical and Magireco/Prelude (cause right now theyre one page, and you cant really move one page to 2). Atleast move some of the pages yourself since you can move them without leaving redirects. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 23:50, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I reverted it. You just cut-and-pasted the content from one page to the other, instead of using the Move function (which is available to all users by the way, under "More"). For now I've moved all the Timelines articles to Timeline; you can redo the rest from there when you find the time. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:22, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- Yes that's what we ended up with. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah, no. I did everything right for the splits and the content changes, though I'll grant I should have used Move for the simple renames, they'd still be too few. No, most of the pages couldn't have used the MOVE function since they needed to be split, changed and sorted again, reference tables needed to be created, links needed to be fixed, navigation tables, I found a couple of typos, etc. You'd see the information wasn't the exact same if you took the time to look through them. Even through the numbers in the recent changes page, you could see that what was added from one article was different from what was removed from another article. I worked for more than 3 hours yesterday to make sure they were all corrected, now I can't even see what I did since they're entirely deleted. Not to mention the big mess that will need to be fixed now that the Arc 2 reference links are shortened. Was your plan to have me do them again but this time use the move function and have the end result be the exact same, or did you genuinely not look through them? Return my articles to how I left them yesterday. It's absolutely disheartening to see something you did out of pure passion and love for a piece of media to be deleted and then be told to do it again. I wanted the information archived and available for the public so they can understand the franchise better and now it's entirely gone. Return the articles to how I left them yesterday, because I'm not doing this again. I don't even know where I'd find the original files and writing I used anymore and I'm not gonna go look. You could have literally waited a bit, asked, commented them out, or anything other than delete them entirely. Undelete them. Thank you in advance. I'll be back when I see them restored, or at least backed up somewhere where I can access them so I can use that much beloved Move function properly. Have a good day. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 10:40, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Okay I did all I could, Im pretty sure the pages look almost identical to the originals, but obv that cant be 100%. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- I'm confused as to why they couldn't just be restored or backed up somewhere. Celtic has access to them, no? ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 15:50, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Okay I did all I could, Im pretty sure the pages look almost identical to the originals, but obv that cant be 100%. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:42, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah, no. I did everything right for the splits and the content changes, though I'll grant I should have used Move for the simple renames, they'd still be too few. No, most of the pages couldn't have used the MOVE function since they needed to be split, changed and sorted again, reference tables needed to be created, links needed to be fixed, navigation tables, I found a couple of typos, etc. You'd see the information wasn't the exact same if you took the time to look through them. Even through the numbers in the recent changes page, you could see that what was added from one article was different from what was removed from another article. I worked for more than 3 hours yesterday to make sure they were all corrected, now I can't even see what I did since they're entirely deleted. Not to mention the big mess that will need to be fixed now that the Arc 2 reference links are shortened. Was your plan to have me do them again but this time use the move function and have the end result be the exact same, or did you genuinely not look through them? Return my articles to how I left them yesterday. It's absolutely disheartening to see something you did out of pure passion and love for a piece of media to be deleted and then be told to do it again. I wanted the information archived and available for the public so they can understand the franchise better and now it's entirely gone. Return the articles to how I left them yesterday, because I'm not doing this again. I don't even know where I'd find the original files and writing I used anymore and I'm not gonna go look. You could have literally waited a bit, asked, commented them out, or anything other than delete them entirely. Undelete them. Thank you in advance. I'll be back when I see them restored, or at least backed up somewhere where I can access them so I can use that much beloved Move function properly. Have a good day. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 10:40, 1 July 2026 (UTC)
│ ├── Timeline/Original/Historical
│ ├── Timeline/Original/Prelude
│ ├── Timeline/Original/Scene 0
│ ├── Timeline/Original/Final
│ ├── Timeline/Law of Cycles
│ └── Timeline/Devil
│ ├── Timeline/Magia Record/Historical
│ ├── Timeline/Magia Record/Prelude
│ ├── Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 1
│ └── Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 2
│ └── Timeline/Magia Exedra
├── Timeline/Other
│ ├── Timeline/Null
│ ├── Timeline/Magia Report
│ ├── Timeline/Original/Other
│ ├── Timeline/Magia Record/Other






