Talk:Main Page

Previous discussions are archived at:

• Talk:Main Page/Archive 1 (January 18, 2011–February 27, 2011)
• Talk:Main Page/Archive 2 (February 28, 2011-April 25, 2011)

Countdown

Now that the broadcast is over, the countdown should probably be removed. However, simply removing it looks pretty weird, the page looks empty without its red box at the top. SO what do we do, color the "Contents" box in red? Leave everything as-is and just remove the countdown boxes? --Homerun-chan 09:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

For now, I made the box you see now. However, it'd be strange to leave it like that forever. Personally, I don't think the page looks weird without the red box. It's probably just a matter of habit. --KFYatek 11:07, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Could always have a countdown of the BD and manga releases. --Holycrap 17:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but eventual times are vague. DVD/BD vol.1 launch date is April 27th. When we should countdown to? Midnight JST of 26th/27th? Opening of first DVD/BD store in Japan on 27th? ;) When we had concrete times, we could countdown, now it's a bit too fuzzy in my opinion. --KFYatek 17:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, seeing the page with its big red boxes just looked more familiar since it's been like that for months; it's probably just a matter of habit indeed. I also considered using the countdown for manga/BD/OST/other stuff, but indeed it's a bit fuzzy. Maybe make the countdown look fuzzy too; something like the Ubuntu countdown? (basically, it only counts the number of days left, then on release date it shows "it's almost there!", and "it's out!" when relevant). Another option is to not make countdowns at all, but use the red box to put notices when something gets released (i.e. on the 27th and for one day or so, it should state that the first BD is out, then disappear until the 25th of May, and so on) --Homerun-chan 18:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I was thinking about a day-only countdown, too, but for some reason I thought that it's not possible on MediaWiki. I think the existence of <countdown /> tag made me think that, but it's probably just a matter of a little JavaScript-enabled template. The variant with announcements is also quite plausible. --KFYatek 19:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Changing the menus

As I said on the Media talkpage, I think we'll have to refactor this page's menus a bit. I think we should somehow:

• Separate the pages about paid material (Products and Merchandise) from pages that talk about the content, and give them their own section (Manga for instance, isn't about buying the manga, but about the story)
• Create a new section Media where we'd stuff Media (renamed and split in two pages for the occasion, see its talkpage), Opening, Ending, OST and Character Songs
• Maybe move Manga into the "Setting" section too?
• I don't know what we do about Translated Official Documents. It doesn't really belong to the paid material, but it doesn't really belong to the new Media section either

In other words, having a hierarchy that looks more like the sidebar in a way --Homerun-chan 21:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

The appearance of a new "Novel" section made me think of a new menu structure again. I propose the following:

Left column: About the Puella Magi universe

• Setting
  • Characters
  • Locations
  • Glossary
• Series
  • Anime series (link to the "Episodes" page)
  • Madoka manga
  • Kazumi Magica
  • Oriko Magica
  • Novel (if the page grows enough)
• Products
  • Blu-rays, DVD, manga, ... (link to the "Products" page)
  • Merchandise
  • Opening/Ending/OST/Character Songs

Right column: Derived content

• Articles and community Content
  • Runes
  • Notes
  • Articles & analyses
  • Theories and speculah
  • Facts & observations
• Media
  • Translated Official Documents/Twitter (if it gets its own page)
  • Teasers & CMs
  • Fanworks
• Communication
  • Threads
  • Speculah pad (do we need it anymore?)
  • IRC

Your thoughts? --Homerun-chan 17:54, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Right column? AS in, a side bar on the right? Hmm... I'm not sold, I'd need to see how it looks first. But yeah, I mostly agree, aside from two two pages, Glossary and Locations. I'm gonna be honest, I don't really like either.
The first one... I don't get it.I understand those terms are the basics of the show, but then again, precisely because of that, shouldn't we have more detailed pages on them?
As for Locations, as of now it's just a list of list of stuff in Mitakihara and random witch barriers. Even if someone (well... me) added things from Asunaro (Kazumi's city), it'd still feel a bit empty and pointless. --BrickBreak 18:33, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I was talking about the menu on the Main Page, not the sidebar...
Also, I just rearranged the links that are already there. I see no need to delete either of the links you cite: as you say, Glossary is the basics, so it should stay in the menu (if you come to this site from a Google search, that probably means your primary goal is to find information about the series; the speculah and stuff only comes afterwards). As for the Locations page, besides its emptiness, it's retweeted frequently so it's probably pretty popular (too bad I do not have access to more detailed/reliable statistics though) --Homerun-chan 18:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Do'h. Second time I've pulled a fail like that.
In that case, I completely support your rearrangement.
Either way, I wasn't suggesting a deletion for either page. For the glossary, I was suggesting detailed pages on Soul Gems, Grief Seeds and the such. It's nothing but a suggestion, though.
As for the Locations page, it needs a overhaul, but this time I'm out of ideas. Had no idea it was tweeted that often (or any page, for that matter. People tweet the weirdest stuff, no offense to ourselves :P), that's a lovely fact. --BrickBreak 18:55, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Copyright guidelines?

It just hit me recently, when I saw the Drama CD's translation on the talk page, and BD's yonkoma's scanlation uploaded. In terms of legality, we're technically in the grey zone, as eg. hi-res screenshots don't qualify as fair use, but I don't know of anyone ever making a big deal out of it. But shouldn't we make some kind of copyright guidelines, just to be sure nobody crosses the line between gray and black? We all (at least I hope so) instinctively know that links to fansubs and full chapter scanlations are a no-no, but things like the aforementioned Drama CD translations and official yonkoma scans are somewhat more vague. Maybe I'm a bit paranoid, but none of us wants getting a C&D one day, and when they may actually send one, they might want us to delete everything they'll find infringing, even though there'd be only one thing actually concerning them.
What do you think? Should we actually make some guidelines or am I just being paranoid? --KFYatek 20:51, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Not sure how old is this Guidelines#Scanlations.2C_fansubs_and_copyrighted_material. I personally would remove this section all together, just to be sure - Ume_Aoki#Doujin_Gallery. - Prima 04:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Since this is doujin material I think we are ok. Technically this isnt official material, since it was produced outside the official industry. I am sure the law treats doujin differently. --Mutopis 04:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I hear your concern and that's one reason I replaced the official pages with English translated ones, leaving only a few pages that are actual scans of her original work. Remember, Ume's doujin is only sold in Japanese in Japan, and having the pages altered into English essentially devalues everything we've posted to any potential Japanese buyers. If her work gets translated and sold outside Japan, we can re-evaluate that. -randomanon 05:34, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Site Maintenance

General maintenance question, is there a way we can delete uploaded files or a procedure to request them to be deleted? Looks like from mediawiki, this requires sysop permissions [1]. --randomanon 08:47, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

That probably needs administrative rights indeed. You can still add the files to the Category:Deletion requests, and we'll do it when we feel like it. Just out of curiousity, what do you want to be deleted? --Homerun-chan 13:45, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I think he may be talking about the first 5 pages of Oriko he uploaded yesterday, before the guidelines have been established. I've added them to deletion requests, too. --KFYatek 14:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

KFY got most of them. It took me a few minutes to figure out to go to the file, edit, and paste in Category:Deletion requests. But managed to do that with another upload file and now I'm set. Thanks. --randomanon 14:38, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Need Guidance on Scans

OK, so here's the deal: I was on my old computer sorting through a rather disorganized, large stash of scans (Madoka, among other anime that interest me). I found many scans (plus stuff just sitting on my new computer) that I don't see in full on this site. I don't remember where I picked up all of them, and sometimes I'm not sure where they're from...but I can make the effort to do some research to get a handle on them. For the vast majority, translation is not possible...although I can try to track down better scans for at least more recent stuff. I do see some use in confirming where partial scans are from, by looking at the full pages.

Here's a few examples to give you an idea:

File:Scan example 1.jpg File:Scan example 2.jpg

So my question is what should I do with all these? Do they have some use on the site? Do they go in the official art folder in the download zips? Do I just hang on to them and use them for reference only to verify existing scans translated here on this site? Could use some guidance here. Also, adding my thoughts on copyrights...these are only pages/sections related to Madoka from a magazine with far more contents. In some cases, they're often kind of teaser images commonly used by distributors and fan reviewers to show what's in a magazine, but not of such quality you can really read everything...so I don't think there's a copyright issue using these images if Japanese blogs have been accustomed to doing this. -randomanon 00:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I think your collection should definitely put in the wiki somewhere. At the minimum, put up a link of the zip so the rest of us editors can go through them when we have time. The Documents page is long overdue for a overhaul anyways and having these full page scans would be enormously helpful. - Prima 03:37, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Any other opinions on this? If not, I'll start going through and trying to sort out relevant scans on both computers and make sense of it before zipping it up. Probably will take a few days. -randomanon 15:45, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with prima. A good start would be to put them into a zip file for contributors to download/read/translate/analyze/whatever. Maybe add a new part to the image pack or something? Then if someone finds interresting information (for the documents page for instance), we can upload the related pages on the wiki directly. Also, since the Documents pages is to be updated anytime soon, this might be very useful so do not hesitate to pinpoint any interresting stuff you might find --Homerun-chan 15:56, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll zip it but post it on my personal page for editors to go through it first before deciding what should go where. I rather not have it available for open distribution to fans right away because 1) privacy...some things I picked up not many have access to but if it's mixed in with other files from other people, the origins of who donated it would be hidden, 2) I've seen scans get misunderstood or abused by clueless fans in embarrassing ways, but proper labeling and categorization should help with that, 3) a few things I know were photoshopped from real scans and stupidly forgot to label them and over time I've sometimes forgotten which was which--and so I'd like some time to try and verify a few where I can't recall the origins. -randomanon 16:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE: I have a few things I need to do but I should have the scans available (approx 130MB unzipped) in...probably 4 hours or so and would like to know who are the editors that will be involved with them for re-doing the documents section. I only want to make the zip available for a brief time. After review, there are quite a few scans that I have that never made it to the wiki (or are higher quality) so there will be a need for translation effort. I've gone through and ID'd most of them but still there's plenty that I don't know for sure. Please let me know if you're interested with working with these scans for the docs section. Thanks. -randomanon 19:31, 18 May 2011 (UTC)