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Main Page cleanup

I've taken the liberty to clean up the Main Page styling a little. It's using the same layout as before, but with more consistent spacing/etc. so it looks a lot less cluttered. It's also now and a lot less broken when viewing on a mobile phone. Adding/removing columns should now be a lot less insane. I'm unsure what to do with the News/Wishlist links, though, since they haven't been updated for quite a long time. -- 0x99 (talk) 10:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The News page could probably be updated by trawling the Main Page edit history, and maybe adding other bits if you can think of them. With some work it could even be arranged so that it's the source of the news on the main page (wrapping the lines that should be on the main page in <onlyinclude> tags). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Good idea. I'll find some time to do it. -- 0x99 (talk) 13:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
I did this, seems to work great. Now to populate 2015 to 2021... -- 0x99 (talk) 12:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
That's slightly different from my thought, but it's probably easier to work with this way anyway. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Main visual

Would it be worthwhile to add the Scene0 main visual to the main page, too? I think a tabber would work for the desktop view, and on mobile there should be enough space to add it below Rising's. EPF (talk) 13:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

I've made some adjustments, what do you think? -- 0x99 (talk) 13:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure… I've been so used to seeing the name beside the key visual and now it's moved below it… I can't find any real complaints though… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
OK, let's try again. What about this one? -- 0x99 (talk) 15:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Oooh, I like it! Thanks EPF (talk) 15:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Not sure where to put this

So... I'm not sure why I'm not an autoconfirmed user, but I don't know where to put this question? -- ReiAyanami

I think you may need to wait few more hours. Autoconfirm is set to 3 edits and 7 days from the date of registration. From what I see, you should get autoconfirmed today (Nov 7) at 20:18:23 (UTC) -- 0x99 (talk) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Alright, thank you! I didn't realize it was so exact. :) ReiAyanami (talk) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for this, we used to have a lot of spam back in the day (who made a few edits to get autoconfirmed then proceeded on creating an SEO spam page). -- 0x99 (talk) 21:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Future of Fanworks

(This was originally on my talk page but I have moved it here as it concerns the whole wiki.) While not an official Wiki, this is a Wiki for official content. Outside of personal OC's on the user's pages, is there a reason to include fanworks on the wiki? Fan roleplays have long since died, and many games are likely dead due to flash player shutting down. Is there a reason to have them? Amaterasu (talk) 17:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I think it's best to keep what we have now as an archive rather than remove it since they were a part of the fanbase during the early days. We keep Poorfag's page up for a reason since it was a meme thing and it doesn't interfere with official pages much like OCs on our user pages. As long as they're kept separate from the official stuff, I think it's ok. I believe you can still play the games even though flash player shut down, I remember there being a big project to archive and make old flash games playable when the shut down was initially announced. -The Witch's House (talk) 02:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm also very much agree with this. For a more early meme and such we could make a banner that this was part of the community in the early days and are no longer updated. For ongoing content such as Fanworks I think the list of games/media/crossover are still worth keeping (and possibly updating). --- 0x99 (talk) 06:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

GunsGirlZ Crossover

So I have been just looking around the wiki, and I stumbled across the crossover page! I read it, expecting it to have the GGZ collab in it... but it wasn't there? I was wondering if it just hadn't been added yet, or if theres a reason that it hasn't been! The GGZ collab is probably my favorite PMMM collab, with the battle cats coming in second :P

madolily .+* (talk) 17:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)♥

Honestly it just hasnt been updated. you're more than welcome to add the info if you'd like (I dont play it unfortunately but it looked cute!)Sondenise (talk) 21:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I can't see anything about the crossover on the page you linked to. You should link not to the other wiki's main page but to a page actually talking about the crossover. Otherwise there's no point in adding the link at all. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


Oh, sorry about that. The link broke... Sadly since the computer I use is limited by my school I can't fix the link,, I'm sorry haha madolily .+* (talk)♥

Looks like someone else fixed it for you, so it's okay. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Tweets

I think maybe we should work out a consistent policy on tweets. There are currently 711 tweets and 2 twitter profile icons linked from across the wiki (see list here and here and here and here), and they're often used as references, or even image links. The trouble with this is that tweets are inherently transitory. A link to a tweet is liable to go dead at any time, and indeed at least one of the tweeters commonly linked to (GAN) has a habit of deleting old tweets. Twitter icons are even worse for linking to – they're guaranteed to go dead after an unknown amount of time. We should just not link to them ever. Uploading one as a reference is fine if it seems useful, though.

If tweets are to be used as references, I think it would be better to archive them (perhaps on the Tweets page or a similar page), and all other places then link to there instead. Of course, that can still link back to the original tweet (if it still exists). For tweets that include unique images, especially when the image is used as a source for example to determine a character's hair or eye colour, that image should be uploaded to the wiki so it's not lost. I think there are already some that have been lost, and I hope it may be possible to find them somehow.

(I do think including all images that core people tweet related to the franchise is a little excessive though. GAN in particular tends to tweet inapproprate out-of-character fanart which in my opinion often doesn't add much if anything of value to the relevant wiki pages. See separate discussion on this.)

For tweets that include non-unique images, it's probably good enough to add a brief note that there were images and, in some cases, maybe link to similar images that already exist on the wiki.

~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with this, especially now that you cannot view replies/some tweets with images without logging in. As for archiving, though, I'm not sure if we should archive them on a separate page, or do it as ref (similar to Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Scene 0#References). The initial intention of the Tweets page was for Tweets that are primary content (Urobuchi/Miyamoto's off-hand remarks about things). I think episodic content on that page should probably be moved into each episodes, but for reference I feel like <ref></ref> may be a better option. -- 0x99 (talk) 14:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
For purely text tweets, or tweets that just threw in a random image, yeah, I think they could probably be squeezed into a reference. Would definitely make sense to have a template for that still. For tweets that are primarily an image maybe with a comment, if the image is deemed relevant I think it should be uploaded (which is what's been done for most of GAN's images). The tweet's text could be put in the image's caption, or added as a reference from the image's caption. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Captcha

The wiki has its own captcha system that asks questions about MadoMagi, used for instance when you're trying to add an external link. One of those questions is about the latest social game. It'll probably need to be updated soon, given MagiReco is about to end its service and MagiEx will soon release EPF (talk) 06:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I've replaced all Magia Record-related questions with the Walpurgisnacht movie instead. -- 0x99 (talk) 06:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Sidebar

How do we edit the sidebar? I'm asking because I think we should add Madoka Magica Plus and Magia Exedra to the "Games" section. Amaterasu (talk) 11:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

It can be edited at MediaWiki:Sidebar -- 0x99 (talk) 11:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! Amaterasu (talk) 12:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Games

The section is already cluttered as it is, but I feel like I should ask about the possible inclusion of the slot/arcade games. Amaterasu (talk) 03:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps we can break down the section further, e.g.
Titles
Mainline
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica (Manga, LN, Compilation)
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Rebellion (Manga)
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Walpurgis no Kaiten
Side Story
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Homura's Revenge!
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Different Story
  • Puella Magi Homura Tamura
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Wraith Arc
  • Puella Magi Kazumi Magica
  • Puella Magi Oriko Magica (Extra Story, Sadness Prayer)
  • Puella Magi Suzune Magica
  • Puella Magi Tart Magica
  • Null Magical Girl
Compilation
  • Manga Time Kirara Magica
Games
PC/Smartphone
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Magia Exedra
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story: Magia Record (Manga, Anime)
Mobile
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobage
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Plus
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobcast
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Online
Console
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable
Not sure what's the best categorization we can do here, but I think this should allow more items in the section without looking too overwhelming. Thoughts? --- 0x99 (talk) 08:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
I just realized you meant the sidebar (oops). I guess we could likely do the same, breaking the Games section into PC/Smartphone, Mobile, Console, and Arcade? --- 0x99 (talk) 08:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
I like that idea. Maybe we can keep the "Official Games" section, and add an "Arcade" section under it (are subsections possible in this format? Amaterasu (talk) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

It definitely needs something, and alphabetical or by release year would be nice because as it is it's hard to find which one you're looking for with so many. Sondenise (talk) 00:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm currently trying to have it sorted by release order, but there may be some errors in it. Amaterasu (talk) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I think the plan to have every game be in the sidebar is incredibly misguided. I'd prefer to have only the most prominent ones listed, and then maybe an "Other" link at the bottom. Perhaps multiple "Other" links if there are strong categories. Right now it is just terribly cluttered up with what seem to me like minor games. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I see your point. Maybe we can discuss what we think is a necessary game to include? For now, I think we can cut out Madoka iP, Madoka Flash, Madoka Puzzle of Memory and Madoka Magical Coin. Amaterasu (talk) 14:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Side note: This probably should've been discussed on Mediawiki talk:Sidebar instead? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The wiki used to have a fancier header logo, as seen https://web.archive.org/web/20170703125702/http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Poorfag https://web.archive.org/web/20170706032551im_/https://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/header.jpg here. What happened? EPF (talk) 13:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

This used to be a skin of the old Vector theme called "Magica". It was done as a skin rather than Common.css for a few reasons, one to avoid breakage when user opt for other themes (Monobook theme was still used by some people back when we used to hang out in #madoka @ Rizon), and another was due to that we needed to modify some gradient background PNG to have a proper transparent (very subtle: magica's tab-current-fade.png vs vector's tab-current-fade.png).
Sadly, this broke during an upgrade to MediaWiki 1.39 in 2018 due to the Vector theme subsystem changes, and I no longer have the original Pixelmator file that I used to create the original one, so it never gets ported. (Vector is also quite a moving target which no backward compatibility guarantee, so we probably shouldn't be basing a skin on it.) -- 0x99 (talk) 14:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
While we're on this topic of a fancy skin, mw:Skin:Citizen is also pretty nice and would help with the "sidebar becoming too long" issue we're having (by turning it into a menu instead). Not sure how much we can customize it, though. -- 0x99 (talk) 14:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
I've now enabled Citizen skin, which can be turned on via Special:Preferences, but as nothing in the Wiki has color preference awareness (dark/light), it's pretty broken in dark mode. --- 0x99 (talk) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
I've started collecting pages and templates that are especially egregious on Citizen and Vector 2022 dark modes. Those are Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness and Category:Templates with no dark theme awareness. Some of those are easy fixes that surmount to "remove #fff from template", but pages like Witch Runes, Template:Magia Exedra Battle Icon or Template:Magia Exedra Role Icon depend on images in specific color (the first in black, the second in white but inverted with css). I don't know how to make CSS that takes note of whether a theme is a Light Mode or a Dark Mode one (so that I can implement appropriate color inverts). Additionally, many pages like Isabeau use non-template spoiler boxes that start with "Warning, this section contains spoilers.". Can we nuke that non-Template template? It's a wiki, of course it'll contain spoilers. What's considered a spoiler changes over the years anyway, glasses Homura was a huge spoiler when episode 10(?) dropped, but she was a release unit in Magia Record, for instance. It's utterly pointless trying to determine what is and isn't a spoiler. EPF (talk) 05:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
Oh, also, is there any way to change Citizen's code? It consistently ignores my width:100% table parameters, and !header cells are off-center, too. Breaks Template:Magia_Record_Memoria_Row and my Template:Magia_Exedra_Stats. EPF (talk) 05:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

Usefulness of Template:Pixiv tag and Template:Booru tag

I noticed we have Template:Pixiv tag and Template:Booru tag. The thing is, they haven't really been used on modern articles much, see Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Booru_tag and Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Pixiv_tag: no Magia Record girls have those on their pages, for one. Additionally, Pixiv is exclusively for fanart, and while Dan/Gelbooru both host official art, they're predominantly fanart repost sites. And, well, they also have a large percentage of NSFW content, which is not suitable for the wiki. Should all characters have those added if possible, or is nuking those better? EPF (talk) 18:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Seems like User:Amaterasu went ahead and removed the tag from some pages? EPF (talk) 15:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I did. It is my view that a wiki like this, in which wording if formal and information is aimed to be official, NSFW and fanworks content should not be linked to unless there is a specific page for fanworks and NSFW content. Amaterasu (talk) 16:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
It's difficult to type out those tags when searching pixiv (at least for those of us who aren't very familiar with Japanese), so I think it would be convenient to keep them around. I don't know if this also holds for dan/gel booru. But I can also see the desire to not link to unofficial content. I suppose this places me on the fence on this. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Broken files?

I was uploading the Exedra backgrounds with PyWikiBot. However, it appears some files ended up broken, namely:

They appear like they have a redlink instead of an image in https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Exedra_Backgrounds&filefrom=Bg+adv+99+90338+01.png#mw-category-media , and it says there that the file is missing. However, trying to upload it again gives me two warnings:

  • A file with this name exists already, please check File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png if you are not sure if you want to overwrite it.
  • The upload is an exact duplicate of the current version of File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png.

What can be done about it? EPF (talk) 05:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Sorry about this. You probably have to reupload. We ran out of disk space over the past few hours. -- 0x99 (talk) 06:12, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

DPL

Hey, could we get DynamicPageList extension on this wiki? I think it'd make stuff like story appearances for game characters easier, like Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra#Appearances would ideally be equal to Category:Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra_Story, so there's IMO no point in maintaining those lists manually. EPF (talk) 14:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Done. I haven't changed any configuration options from the default. Let me know if you want me to change one of those. -- 0x99 (talk) 08:08, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
Thanks! But now that I did more research, it seeeeeeems I requested the wrong version and I should have asked for DPL3 instead... EPF (talk) 19:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
OK, I've replaced DPL with DPL3. (Also, it looks like mailer is broken again, if I don't respond in a day, feel free to ping via email...) -- 0x99 (talk) 03:24, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
I've looked over the DPL3 manual (both the official one and the Genshin Impact one that EPF linked) and it is absolutely insane. The way things are done makes no sense whatsoever. I can work with it if it's the only tool available, though… but I kind of wonder if there's an alternative? (For example, writing a module to do the specific thing desired.) It would be nice if I could just write out a template that the page names get substituted into, rather than all sorts of magic separators and non-unicode escape characters. It claims that it "leaves output control completely to the user", but that's not really true – it gives a lot of control, but still forces you into a basic template, and sometimes makes absolutely insane decisions. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
What kind of template are you trying to make with it? EPF (talk) 15:53, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
I was fiddling with the Exedra Character Appearances template and thought maybe I could merge the 3 DPL invocations into one, but that causes a ridiculous explosion of unrelated categories in the listing. I can't imagine why anyone would ever want that result. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
And now I have no idea why it's inserting redlinks to a non-existent template into the portrait lists… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
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