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Main Page cleanup

I've taken the liberty to clean up the Main Page styling a little. It's using the same layout as before, but with more consistent spacing/etc. so it looks a lot less cluttered. It's also now and a lot less broken when viewing on a mobile phone. Adding/removing columns should now be a lot less insane. I'm unsure what to do with the News/Wishlist links, though, since they haven't been updated for quite a long time. -- 0x99 (talk) 10:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The News page could probably be updated by trawling the Main Page edit history, and maybe adding other bits if you can think of them. With some work it could even be arranged so that it's the source of the news on the main page (wrapping the lines that should be on the main page in <onlyinclude> tags). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Good idea. I'll find some time to do it. -- 0x99 (talk) 13:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
I did this, seems to work great. Now to populate 2015 to 2021... -- 0x99 (talk) 12:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
That's slightly different from my thought, but it's probably easier to work with this way anyway. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Main visual

Would it be worthwhile to add the Scene0 main visual to the main page, too? I think a tabber would work for the desktop view, and on mobile there should be enough space to add it below Rising's. EPF (talk) 13:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

I've made some adjustments, what do you think? -- 0x99 (talk) 13:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure… I've been so used to seeing the name beside the key visual and now it's moved below it… I can't find any real complaints though… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
OK, let's try again. What about this one? -- 0x99 (talk) 15:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Oooh, I like it! Thanks EPF (talk) 15:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Not sure where to put this

So... I'm not sure why I'm not an autoconfirmed user, but I don't know where to put this question? -- ReiAyanami

I think you may need to wait few more hours. Autoconfirm is set to 3 edits and 7 days from the date of registration. From what I see, you should get autoconfirmed today (Nov 7) at 20:18:23 (UTC) -- 0x99 (talk) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Alright, thank you! I didn't realize it was so exact. :) ReiAyanami (talk) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for this, we used to have a lot of spam back in the day (who made a few edits to get autoconfirmed then proceeded on creating an SEO spam page). -- 0x99 (talk) 21:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Future of Fanworks

(This was originally on my talk page but I have moved it here as it concerns the whole wiki.) While not an official Wiki, this is a Wiki for official content. Outside of personal OC's on the user's pages, is there a reason to include fanworks on the wiki? Fan roleplays have long since died, and many games are likely dead due to flash player shutting down. Is there a reason to have them? Amaterasu (talk) 17:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I think it's best to keep what we have now as an archive rather than remove it since they were a part of the fanbase during the early days. We keep Poorfag's page up for a reason since it was a meme thing and it doesn't interfere with official pages much like OCs on our user pages. As long as they're kept separate from the official stuff, I think it's ok. I believe you can still play the games even though flash player shut down, I remember there being a big project to archive and make old flash games playable when the shut down was initially announced. -The Witch's House (talk) 02:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm also very much agree with this. For a more early meme and such we could make a banner that this was part of the community in the early days and are no longer updated. For ongoing content such as Fanworks I think the list of games/media/crossover are still worth keeping (and possibly updating). --- 0x99 (talk) 06:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

GunsGirlZ Crossover

So I have been just looking around the wiki, and I stumbled across the crossover page! I read it, expecting it to have the GGZ collab in it... but it wasn't there? I was wondering if it just hadn't been added yet, or if theres a reason that it hasn't been! The GGZ collab is probably my favorite PMMM collab, with the battle cats coming in second :P

madolily .+* (talk) 17:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)♥

Honestly it just hasnt been updated. you're more than welcome to add the info if you'd like (I dont play it unfortunately but it looked cute!)Sondenise (talk) 21:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I can't see anything about the crossover on the page you linked to. You should link not to the other wiki's main page but to a page actually talking about the crossover. Otherwise there's no point in adding the link at all. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


Oh, sorry about that. The link broke... Sadly since the computer I use is limited by my school I can't fix the link,, I'm sorry haha madolily .+* (talk)♥

Looks like someone else fixed it for you, so it's okay. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Tweets

I think maybe we should work out a consistent policy on tweets. There are currently 711 tweets and 2 twitter profile icons linked from across the wiki (see list here and here and here and here), and they're often used as references, or even image links. The trouble with this is that tweets are inherently transitory. A link to a tweet is liable to go dead at any time, and indeed at least one of the tweeters commonly linked to (GAN) has a habit of deleting old tweets. Twitter icons are even worse for linking to – they're guaranteed to go dead after an unknown amount of time. We should just not link to them ever. Uploading one as a reference is fine if it seems useful, though.

If tweets are to be used as references, I think it would be better to archive them (perhaps on the Tweets page or a similar page), and all other places then link to there instead. Of course, that can still link back to the original tweet (if it still exists). For tweets that include unique images, especially when the image is used as a source for example to determine a character's hair or eye colour, that image should be uploaded to the wiki so it's not lost. I think there are already some that have been lost, and I hope it may be possible to find them somehow.

(I do think including all images that core people tweet related to the franchise is a little excessive though. GAN in particular tends to tweet inapproprate out-of-character fanart which in my opinion often doesn't add much if anything of value to the relevant wiki pages. See separate discussion on this.)

For tweets that include non-unique images, it's probably good enough to add a brief note that there were images and, in some cases, maybe link to similar images that already exist on the wiki.

~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree with this, especially now that you cannot view replies/some tweets with images without logging in. As for archiving, though, I'm not sure if we should archive them on a separate page, or do it as ref (similar to Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Scene 0#References). The initial intention of the Tweets page was for Tweets that are primary content (Urobuchi/Miyamoto's off-hand remarks about things). I think episodic content on that page should probably be moved into each episodes, but for reference I feel like <ref></ref> may be a better option. -- 0x99 (talk) 14:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
For purely text tweets, or tweets that just threw in a random image, yeah, I think they could probably be squeezed into a reference. Would definitely make sense to have a template for that still. For tweets that are primarily an image maybe with a comment, if the image is deemed relevant I think it should be uploaded (which is what's been done for most of GAN's images). The tweet's text could be put in the image's caption, or added as a reference from the image's caption. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Captcha

The wiki has its own captcha system that asks questions about MadoMagi, used for instance when you're trying to add an external link. One of those questions is about the latest social game. It'll probably need to be updated soon, given MagiReco is about to end its service and MagiEx will soon release EPF (talk) 06:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I've replaced all Magia Record-related questions with the Walpurgisnacht movie instead. -- 0x99 (talk) 06:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
The movie isn't "upcoming" anymore, so one of the questions is inaccurate now EPF (talk) 07:43, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
Fixed. Thanks for this. I got a lot of fun CAPTCHAs out of WR, hope to put them up there one day (not soon) :P -- 0x99 (talk) 12:53, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

How do we edit the sidebar? I'm asking because I think we should add Madoka Magica Plus and Magia Exedra to the "Games" section. Amaterasu (talk) 11:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

It can be edited at MediaWiki:Sidebar -- 0x99 (talk) 11:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! Amaterasu (talk) 12:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Games

The section is already cluttered as it is, but I feel like I should ask about the possible inclusion of the slot/arcade games. Amaterasu (talk) 03:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps we can break down the section further, e.g.
Titles
Mainline
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica (Manga, LN, Compilation)
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Rebellion (Manga)
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie: Walpurgis no Kaiten
Side Story
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Homura's Revenge!
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Different Story
  • Puella Magi Homura Tamura
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica: Wraith Arc
  • Puella Magi Kazumi Magica
  • Puella Magi Oriko Magica (Extra Story, Sadness Prayer)
  • Puella Magi Suzune Magica
  • Puella Magi Tart Magica
  • Null Magical Girl
Compilation
  • Manga Time Kirara Magica
Games
PC/Smartphone
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Magia Exedra
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Side Story: Magia Record (Manga, Anime)
Mobile
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobage
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Plus
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Mobcast
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Online
Console
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Battle Pentagram
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable
Not sure what's the best categorization we can do here, but I think this should allow more items in the section without looking too overwhelming. Thoughts? --- 0x99 (talk) 08:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
I just realized you meant the sidebar (oops). I guess we could likely do the same, breaking the Games section into PC/Smartphone, Mobile, Console, and Arcade? --- 0x99 (talk) 08:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
I like that idea. Maybe we can keep the "Official Games" section, and add an "Arcade" section under it (are subsections possible in this format? Amaterasu (talk) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

It definitely needs something, and alphabetical or by release year would be nice because as it is it's hard to find which one you're looking for with so many. Sondenise (talk) 00:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm currently trying to have it sorted by release order, but there may be some errors in it. Amaterasu (talk) 01:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I think the plan to have every game be in the sidebar is incredibly misguided. I'd prefer to have only the most prominent ones listed, and then maybe an "Other" link at the bottom. Perhaps multiple "Other" links if there are strong categories. Right now it is just terribly cluttered up with what seem to me like minor games. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
I see your point. Maybe we can discuss what we think is a necessary game to include? For now, I think we can cut out Madoka iP, Madoka Flash, Madoka Puzzle of Memory and Madoka Magical Coin. Amaterasu (talk) 14:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Side note: This probably should've been discussed on Mediawiki talk:Sidebar instead? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The wiki used to have a fancier header logo, as seen https://web.archive.org/web/20170703125702/http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Poorfag https://web.archive.org/web/20170706032551im_/https://wiki.puella-magi.net/skins/magica/images/header.jpg here. What happened? EPF (talk) 13:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

This used to be a skin of the old Vector theme called "Magica". It was done as a skin rather than Common.css for a few reasons, one to avoid breakage when user opt for other themes (Monobook theme was still used by some people back when we used to hang out in #madoka @ Rizon), and another was due to that we needed to modify some gradient background PNG to have a proper transparent (very subtle: magica's tab-current-fade.png vs vector's tab-current-fade.png).
Sadly, this broke during an upgrade to MediaWiki 1.39 in 2018 due to the Vector theme subsystem changes, and I no longer have the original Pixelmator file that I used to create the original one, so it never gets ported. (Vector is also quite a moving target which no backward compatibility guarantee, so we probably shouldn't be basing a skin on it.) -- 0x99 (talk) 14:04, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
While we're on this topic of a fancy skin, mw:Skin:Citizen is also pretty nice and would help with the "sidebar becoming too long" issue we're having (by turning it into a menu instead). Not sure how much we can customize it, though. -- 0x99 (talk) 14:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
I've now enabled Citizen skin, which can be turned on via Special:Preferences, but as nothing in the Wiki has color preference awareness (dark/light), it's pretty broken in dark mode. --- 0x99 (talk) 06:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
I've started collecting pages and templates that are especially egregious on Citizen and Vector 2022 dark modes. Those are Category:Pages with no dark theme awareness and Category:Templates with no dark theme awareness. Some of those are easy fixes that surmount to "remove #fff from template", but pages like Witch Runes, Template:Magia Exedra Battle Icon or Template:Magia Exedra Role Icon depend on images in specific color (the first in black, the second in white but inverted with css). I don't know how to make CSS that takes note of whether a theme is a Light Mode or a Dark Mode one (so that I can implement appropriate color inverts). Additionally, many pages like Isabeau use non-template spoiler boxes that start with "Warning, this section contains spoilers.". Can we nuke that non-Template template? It's a wiki, of course it'll contain spoilers. What's considered a spoiler changes over the years anyway, glasses Homura was a huge spoiler when episode 10(?) dropped, but she was a release unit in Magia Record, for instance. It's utterly pointless trying to determine what is and isn't a spoiler. EPF (talk) 05:42, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
Oh, also, is there any way to change Citizen's code? It consistently ignores my width:100% table parameters, and !header cells are off-center, too. Breaks Template:Magia_Record_Memoria_Row and my Template:Magia_Exedra_Stats. EPF (talk) 05:53, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

Usefulness of Template:Pixiv tag and Template:Booru tag

I noticed we have Template:Pixiv tag and Template:Booru tag. The thing is, they haven't really been used on modern articles much, see Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Booru_tag and Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Pixiv_tag: no Magia Record girls have those on their pages, for one. Additionally, Pixiv is exclusively for fanart, and while Dan/Gelbooru both host official art, they're predominantly fanart repost sites. And, well, they also have a large percentage of NSFW content, which is not suitable for the wiki. Should all characters have those added if possible, or is nuking those better? EPF (talk) 18:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Seems like User:Amaterasu went ahead and removed the tag from some pages? EPF (talk) 15:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I did. It is my view that a wiki like this, in which wording if formal and information is aimed to be official, NSFW and fanworks content should not be linked to unless there is a specific page for fanworks and NSFW content. Amaterasu (talk) 16:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
It's difficult to type out those tags when searching pixiv (at least for those of us who aren't very familiar with Japanese), so I think it would be convenient to keep them around. I don't know if this also holds for dan/gel booru. But I can also see the desire to not link to unofficial content. I suppose this places me on the fence on this. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:10, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Broken files?

I was uploading the Exedra backgrounds with PyWikiBot. However, it appears some files ended up broken, namely:

They appear like they have a redlink instead of an image in https://wiki.puella-magi.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Exedra_Backgrounds&filefrom=Bg+adv+99+90338+01.png#mw-category-media , and it says there that the file is missing. However, trying to upload it again gives me two warnings:

  • A file with this name exists already, please check File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png if you are not sure if you want to overwrite it.
  • The upload is an exact duplicate of the current version of File:Bg adv 99 90173 02.png.

What can be done about it? EPF (talk) 05:45, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Sorry about this. You probably have to reupload. We ran out of disk space over the past few hours. -- 0x99 (talk) 06:12, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

DPL

Hey, could we get DynamicPageList extension on this wiki? I think it'd make stuff like story appearances for game characters easier, like Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra#Appearances would ideally be equal to Category:Mitama_Yakumo_in_Magia_Exedra_Story, so there's IMO no point in maintaining those lists manually. EPF (talk) 14:30, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Done. I haven't changed any configuration options from the default. Let me know if you want me to change one of those. -- 0x99 (talk) 08:08, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
Thanks! But now that I did more research, it seeeeeeems I requested the wrong version and I should have asked for DPL3 instead... EPF (talk) 19:51, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
OK, I've replaced DPL with DPL3. (Also, it looks like mailer is broken again, if I don't respond in a day, feel free to ping via email...) -- 0x99 (talk) 03:24, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
I've looked over the DPL3 manual (both the official one and the Genshin Impact one that EPF linked) and it is absolutely insane. The way things are done makes no sense whatsoever. I can work with it if it's the only tool available, though… but I kind of wonder if there's an alternative? (For example, writing a module to do the specific thing desired.) It would be nice if I could just write out a template that the page names get substituted into, rather than all sorts of magic separators and non-unicode escape characters. It claims that it "leaves output control completely to the user", but that's not really true – it gives a lot of control, but still forces you into a basic template, and sometimes makes absolutely insane decisions. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:15, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
What kind of template are you trying to make with it? EPF (talk) 15:53, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
I was fiddling with the Exedra Character Appearances template and thought maybe I could merge the 3 DPL invocations into one, but that causes a ridiculous explosion of unrelated categories in the listing. I can't imagine why anyone would ever want that result. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
And now I have no idea why it's inserting redlinks to a non-existent template into the portrait lists… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Update the Main Page

So the Exedra info on the main page is outdated for a month and I think we should update it constantly But I don't think I have the permission so it has to be you the admins- RaviaVee (talk) 16:31, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

I've been working on keeping the news section updated. You should be able to edit it; it's just the News page and I don't see any protections on it. ~ Amaterasu (talk) 21:34, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

New "notice" section

Hi all!

I wanted to let you know that I've repurposed the warning we were using when we were updating the Witch cards. It should appear as this in the source:

<!-- <div style="border:1px solid #f03a2e;border-left:5px solid #de352a;padding:7px 10px;margin-bottom:1em;{{#if: {{{margin}}}| margin-right: {{{margin}}}}};"> <span style="font-size:1.1em;display:block;">'''NOTICE'''</span> Please use this section when communicating with wiki readers, or warning them that an overhaul is happening. It's best not to leave them in the dark!</div> -->

I encourage you to use it when we do a wiki overhaul of some kind, like we did with the Witch cards. It may not happen often, but it's still useful to have. All you need to do is remove the "<!--" and "-->" in order to get it to show up.

Have a good day! ~ Amaterasu (talk) 22:39, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

Tabbers

Could we get the TabberNeue extension? Our tabbers are kind of messy, I like their clean look EPF (talk) 04:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

What exactly is so messy about them? Other than the problem of the page jumping when you click one. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:43, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
Fixed height, and I'm not a fan of their color scheme. EPF (talk) 14:35, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
I've added this. Sorry that I didn't notice this until now (wiki mailer is broken again, sigh...) -- 0x99 (talk) 03:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AdvancedSearch May I ask for this extension as well? Note it has some dependencies... EPF (talk) 09:22, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Would it be possible to add some sites to the captcha's blacklist? Specifically official sites, other wikis, and if even more specialization than domains would be possible, then maybe also official Twitter accounts and such. It's kinda annoying... EPF (talk) 18:12, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Or if it's easier, add some custom interwiki prefixes. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:43, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
It would be nice if the songs in Template:Magia_Exedra_Story_Transcript/Music were also exempt... EPF (talk) 11:21, 26 October 2025 (UTC)
Actually, I have no idea how that wiki does that, but: https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Full-Stop_Office_(reception)#Trivia https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Scarecrow_Searching_for_Wisdom#Trivia it'd be nice if we had icons for other wikis like this wiki does. I have no idea if it's something that all wikis on wiki.gg have, or some more generalized extension, but still. EPF (talk) 09:29, 22 January 2026 (UTC)
This template https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/Template:Character_icon, perhaps? -- 0x99 (talk) 04:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
Hm, what kind of CAPTCHA did you see? The Madoka question one? I thought I had exempted autoconfirmed users from all kinds of CAPTCHA, I wonder if some built-in extension added a new permission that I need to disable… -- 0x99 (talk) 04:07, 23 January 2026 (UTC)
Yeah, the Madoka question one. EPF (talk) 07:45, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

Subtitled videos

Apparently, the Exedra in-game videos come with subtitle files. Do we have anything that would happen to support that...? Videos in themselves are directly .m3u8, but the Exedra wiki's resource source stores them as .webm with separate .vtt files, separate ones for English and Japanese. EPF (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure HTML supports combining a video and subtitles in separate files, but I don't know if MediaWiki does… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 14:34, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

Display Title

{{DISPLAYTITLE}} works only when trying to make the page have different capitalizations of letters in the title, but doesn't work when a different title is put in, which would be very helpful for long page titles like the Exedra Kioku pages, so instead of Mami Tomoe in Magia Exedra/Tiro Finale Liberation it would be just Tiro Finale Liberation. I don't fully understand how it works but I mainly understood everything from this page [1], and its just about a rule that needs to be turned off so different titles work, instead of just throwing them into Category:Pages with ignored display titles. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 22:12, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

If this worked you could use a substring to show every word from the end until it finds a "/" in the name, automatizing the process. I still don't know why there is a setting to use {{DISPLAYTITLE}} only to get a different format but same title ($wgAllowDisplayTitle) and then another to use custom titles (the one you mentioned, $wgRestrictDisplayTitle), but there is no use complaining about it. ImperviousCover (talk) 22:36, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
The whole idea of making the display title different seems suspect to begin with… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:15, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
Some article names are only "like this" because the concept is ambiguous, like Shaft (Witch) (since studio Shaft also exists). It's also for capitalizing a title differently, it's in lighthouse and fledge, since the songs' official EN titles are lowercase. EPF (talk) 08:27, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
For capitalizing differently I suppose it could make sense, though personally I'd prefer to just ignore the "official" capitalization and just do "proper" capitalization everywhere. But I seem to be in the minority on that. Still, making the display title different in other cases still seems suspect. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
What is the benefit of having Shaft (Witch) appear on top instead of just Shaft? EPF (talk) 17:51, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
I also don't know what's "suspicious" about changing the display name. If someone uses it to troll changing the display name to bullshit, you can just undo the edits. ImperviousCover (talk) 19:30, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
What is the benefit of having "Shaft" appear on top when the true title is "Shaft (Witch)"? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

How to mark edits as bot?

Yo, so, I've been using PyWikiBot to speed up some stuff, and I gotta ask - how do I mark my edits as botted? I got a token, and named it bot, but my edits under that still don't count. Unless I'd have to make a whole new account for that? EPF (talk) 17:20, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Looks like there's a permission requirement to be able to mark your edits as a bot edit? See Manual:Bots. Also, I think your request is more likely to be seen on User talk:0x99. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:32, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Latin rune font

Hi so I made a font for the Latin runes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dV38PtXzo8P8Cfb_Ko0g_kismHP4JQfC/view?usp=sharing Can it be added so I can add it to Template:Runes?

Done and thanks! -- 0x99 (talk) 03:51, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
Oh lord. I accidentally used G for the P glyph. Here's an updated version that *hopefully* has no errors this time: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NH-wxA-7H10knttc77M-agqparkqIbUX/view?usp=sharing EPF (talk) 09:38, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
Actually, the old runes.tff font with Modern and Archaic variants has some errors, like the old assumption of Modern P and mirrored 8 (Talk:Witch_Runes#Modern_"p"), plus it doesn't have the new caret, minus, and cyrillic stuff. But the problem is, it has the unidentified rune in the place of ^: File:Archaic_unidentified.svg. Is it fine to substitute the ^? EPF (talk) 10:05, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
I doubt there are many places that use the unidentified rune? So I'd say it's probably fine to move it to some other code point and substitute the actual ^ into its proper place. Then if there are places that intentionally used the unidentified rune, you can update them to use the new code point for it. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:12, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
I've updated the font. Thanks again! -- 0x99 (talk) 18:07, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

"AI" Policy

Does this wiki have an Anti-AI policy yet? It seems, though I have little to substantiate it, that some of the more recent edits by newer users contain emdashes where I doubt a person would put them. Is that something we *want*? HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 18:35, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

If we don't we 100% need them, this is an open wiki where you can sign up and immiedietaly start changing things. I'm FULLY against AI, it has no place in a wiki where it can easily get stuff wrong, and it wont even try to make it obvious when it doesnt know stuff (it will just make stuff up). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:59, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
Agreed. We don't want AI-written summaries on this wiki. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:21, 29 June 2026 (UTC)
I agree that we should. Personally, I don't want any AI-edited content on the wiki. However, I think using it to help with template/CSS/module syntax is acceptable as long as you can fully understand what the code does (don't put a vibe-coded template/CSS/module on the wiki), but I'm willing to set the baseline to what the community wants. -- 0x99 (talk) 13:12, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

Guys, we need Vector 2022 for unregistered users.

It's a skin or appearance. We don't need Vector 2010. Belankt294842 (talk) 00:52, 26 August 2026 (UTC)

I think Citizen might be a better choice if we were to switch, as it natively supports dark mode and has a responsive layout by default. I'm not sure how many active editors are using Vector 2022, but there are a few of us who use Citizen, so it gets more layout fixes than other skins. Dark mode support is almost there, and the responsive layout is kind of working except for a few pages (Characters remain the most broken one... but at least it has basic dark theme support now). We have to make sure all major pages (all that are linked from the main page and sidebar) are not broken under the new skin before switching, though. -- 0x99 (talk) 13:26, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
I use Vector 2022, and even though I think its better than 2010 (dark mode), its not mobile friendly like Citizen. The problem is, a LOT of templates are just straight up broken on Citizen, like the Magireco unit templates, Kiokus, Memoria, and every characters page like you mentioned. I think its okay to switch to vector 2022 as the default right now, but not citizen. Maybe we should have categories like Pages with no dark theme awareness and Templates with no dark theme awareness but for citizen/all skins. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 13:51, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
I have been going through some of Pages with no dark theme awareness and fixing them (although slowly), so thank you for flagging them. And yes, I think Category:Pages broken under Citizen, and Category:Pages broken under Vector 2020 would be nice to have. Let me see if I can make Vector 2022 the default without affecting current users (or I can just switch and people who prefer 2010 can switch to 2010 in their prefs…). -- 0x99 (talk) 14:04, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
EPF actually mentioned most of this on the #Wiki logo section (I only now found out), and about that section, would you be up for bringing a logo back? - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:57, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
Sadly, I no longer have the original Pixelmator file from that era. If we were to update the logo, something like an outline of a Soul Gem might not be a bad idea. I need to brush up on my Illustrator skills, though. Please suggest if you have other ideas! -- 0x99 (talk) 16:23, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
I'm up for trying to draw it, but I would need specifics, like what color should it be, is there a set resolution I should use (or an aspect ratio). For other ideas I have, I think Homura's time shield would look good but its specific to one character so maybe not. The other idea I have, that I think is actually really good, is the Law of Cycles emblem (This image shows a more one color design of it which would probably be better to recreate). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 17:07, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
While not for this Wiki, I know the "To The Stars" Wiki uses Madoka's Grief Seed as the emblem of their fictional magical girl union, and for their wiki logo. I'd imagine depending on the skin we set a default we'd want to do 1:1 as the aspect ratio (or at least somewhat close to it; no full wordmarks), have good contrast (so gradients are a no). We can probably do colors but would need to maintain them for both light and dark mode. Could also do something clever with a grief seed in dark mode, a soul gem in light mode? Or would that be too spoilery? HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 23:56, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
That said, I did just realize that the runic "modern" font uses a soul gem for "O", and the current wiki name wouldn't allow for the use of it "properly". Hmmm.... I'll upload my current rough drafts here. HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 23:56, 1 September 2026 (UTC)
I know I'm a little late, but I indeed like to reach an agreement on what the default look should be. I used Vector 2010 because both was the default here and because I'm an old head and I've been using it since forever and before the 2022 version was out. This fact made me do some changes that made sense for me but either didn't for people using other skins or it meant me using some hacks to make it look good in 2010 but were completely unecessary in others.
As for Citizen, I didn't remember what it was until I switched and I realized it is that skin that I associate with Fandom and that I don't like at all. So personally I would prefer Vector 2022 over Citizen.
It's actually Star Citizen's wiki theme though I guess they may have been inspired by Fandom. But good point on -- 0x99 (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#Default theme -- 0x99 (talk) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

New logo (2026)

About the logo, I would like something that were really different from the actual logo. From the drafts posted by HomuraDidNothingWrong, I would say the one at the right with the runes at least. I don't know anything about design so I can only say if something is good or bad but without proposing something different though... ImperviousCover (talk) 09:49, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

The logo all depends on what the default skin is, as Vector 2010 has one big logo, while Vector 2022 displays a smaller one next to text (no idea what it would look like on citizen). So if we do move to Vector 2022, I feel like the text logos you (HomuraDidNothingWrong) made would not really work _ _", a simpler Icon would be better. But out of the ones you made my favorite is either the one with runes, or the one where a grief seed is on top of "Wiki". - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 10:13, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
For the logo, probably the best way to do this is to have a logo (symbols) and a text mark ("Puella Magi Wiki") so we can compose it per-theme (the current Puella Magi Wiki text make a really bad logo for Citizen). SVG would be nice, or 500x or x500 in one dimension is OK too! -- 0x99 (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2026 (UTC)
Maybe the Law of Cycles symbol but instead of the runes its "Puella Magi Wiki"? The runes take up little space so the symbol would probably have to be changed a bit, it could be based off the image in the top left corner here and its manga design instead. (Though I'm out of being the artist as my skills are way too flat for that much detail) - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:26, 2 September 2026 (UTC)

I think that we shouldn't choose a logo based on "does it look good in theme X". It should look good in every theme, even Monobook (though I'm probably the only one using that). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:31, 3 September 2026 (UTC)

I think the logo is one thing, and the theme is another. I went and tested Citizen and Vector 2022. The latter has a Dark mode setting but it isn't even respected, which is deeply frustrating as the Dark Mode fails the UX contrast requirements (and gives me a headache). What the logo becomes in my mind becomes a question of what the theme will be by default / for everyone. Vector Legacy is my preferred given the above items, but I also know that isn't everyone's choice. All the same, I can see about the LoC Emblem with the Puella Magi Wiki text on it when I get off work today. It'd be vector-based inherently, since I don't like fuzzy pixels. HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk)
Okay, very laborious edit to get it vectorized. Turns out the wings were asymmetrical, the graphic behind the dharma wheel looks wrong. Here's two versions (light and dark) as an icon (for one theme) and a wordmark-ish one. File:PuellaMagiWiki_LogoSheetDraft_v1_2026_09_04.png HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 00:15, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
I actually really like it, but apart from the missing details like the little crown on top I think the pink is too pink? In that Rebellion production image its WAY more reddish/magenta (I dont care about the galaxy design on it and the background, at most there being too little stripes lol, just the color). Also I think the runes on the bottom designs are both too small, and should be just normal text instead of runes, the runes are cool but not really easy to understand. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 06:58, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
Same, I really like this! Probably need to tone the pink down a bit (I think the tone should be something around #d70fa1, or #d70f83), and I think the horizontal version works better without a border/background around workmark. But great job overall! -- 0x99 (talk) 16:10, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

Tried to incorporate both 0x99 and Theresa's feedback. I had initially colorpicked from Madoka's hair specifically b/c the Emblem from the Image Note *was* too saturated to use as pure color reference. Tried the request for more spikes on the dharma wheel but it looks incredibly noisy at a distance. Not the biggest fan but I'll concede that point if the consensus is people like it. File:PuellaMagiWiki_Wordmark_Logo_Round2_2026_09_05.png HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 17:47, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

It looks even better! I do kinda see your point with the spikes being too much, but I do still think they're better than on the previous draft, maybe its possible to find some balance between both where it doesn't look empty or too full. There are 2 more small details missing, the first is the spike on the bottom, the image note makes it go over the runes, which wouldn't look the best in the 2RA version, but I think it could easily go under the black box. The second is that the circle right before the outer circle is a half-circle, but that's kinda minor and it could be ignored. Also do we need 2 versions for light and dark themes? I know the image is pretty dark so it would clash with the background on dark mode, but I think if a white/some other background is added to the main circle, it wouldn't be that bad? Also that would allow the wings to be purely white instead of the current gray (but they would need some outline probably). This kinda looks like I'm complaining about more than last time ;-; but I promise the current version looks almost ready to use, I just wanna point out everything that can be changed so its as good as it can get. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:07, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
Okay so I did try out the detailing on the tail and honestly? The way the bottom ray folds into the "M" is actually pretty good? It visually makes it split *and* that acts as graphical foreshadowing for Rebellion! Also tried to make the wings the same color and do a border of the background color? So it looks "invisible". It's... pretty okay in my opinion. I think my ideal as-is keeps the inverted soul gem "tail", drops the wing border and keeps them gray. Not sure what to do about the background though. File:PMWiki_2RB_v2.png HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 18:36, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
Its coming out really good, I do prefer the A (or light mode) versions, and the wings being outlined would look way different there when barely anything there is white, while on dark mode most of it is white so it kinda clashes. The "tail" looks good, again clashes a bit but I think thats just because the example you uploaded is in dark mode, also the tail in the og symbol ends with a dot like the others, though idk if I'd prefer it with or without (its kinda nice how it just ends without it, puts more focus on the text). I'm still more on the side of keeping only the A versions. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:30, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
If we have a dark mode *at all* in any theme we really should support both. That choice is far above my head though. The light mode variant looks pretty good though with or without the dot. My preference is without. The wings in gray look far closer to "normal" than a purer white does. File:PMWiki_2RB_v2_White_Alts.png HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 19:42, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
Okay I went into some art program and tried stuff out. I tried to make the wings white and yeah it looked kinda bad... Fine Ill let it go T^T. I also don't like just how light the wings are on the dark version, maybe they should be darkened there? (though I tried and it didnt look that good either _ _" Im stumped). But ignoring dark mode... There are 3 more changes I can think of, two I have an image for. Those 2 are, the color, as I think its kinda too magenta? I know I said magenta but its kinda too purple, and the "tip" of the "tail" being behind the box, this keeps that rebellion symbolism of Madoka being teared apart, but also makes it look nicer imo. The third I didnt draw is there being less lines in the main circle, like we said before, but I think this isnt necessary. Ignoring dark mode I think that would make the logo ready for the wiki. (Okay my color looks too pink now... Idk this is annoying T-T, I dont wanna upload it again because it will probably not update fast enough so I think better colors than the ones I made on that image are #d43472 for the darker and #f858a3 for the lighter) - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:15, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
We could always be a little goofy and just make the "Dark Mode" the Dark Orb's Deal emblem with the same style wordmark instead, for Homura, and just make light mode "pink" accented, and dark mode "purple" accented. That said, I'm inclined to advocate for "RB_v2_light", and I swapped to your proposed colors. Will upload the SVG here. File:PMWIki_LOC_Logo_Light_v1.svg Any thoughts User:0x99? HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 20:51, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
That would be really cool but probably harder, with how much curves her emblem has, also no clear place to put the Puella Magi Wiki text unlike the LoC emblem. We should probably stick to the dark mode ver you made unless you do want to go through more labor lol. Also for when 0x99 gets here, could we also use this as the icon for the website? Like the icons that show up on the page tabs on browsers, right now we have just a basic P. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 23:55, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
Oh the favicon? I don't even see one as-is (Firefox on Windows), but it would be nice to have a favicon, yeah. As to a dark mode version, I'll need to upload it still, but I'm holding off on another round of edits until 0x99 signs off on it before I make another. HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 00:53, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
Is a favicon still planned? I think 0x99 mentioned it somewhere around here. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:39, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
I plan to convert the SVG icon once we get the logo finalized (here Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#New_logo) -- 0x99 (talk) 04:46, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
Im pretty sure its finalized, the dots were added and the colors were adjusted. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 14:01, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
OK, will find some time to update the logo and favicon next week (was prioritizing WNK articles). -- 0x99 (talk) 15:25, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

New Logo Revisions & Editions

So now that it's in place, it looks *mostly* okay. Subjectively it looks the best as-is in MonoBook, but that isn't what folks are using I suspect. What versions do you need specifically for Vector 2022 and Citizen to make it work best? I assume light and dark modes yes but emblem, wordmark, both? I think the "right" move would be a combined seal wordmark, but I have no idea what admin-side options exist for use and want it to be a consistent(-ish) user experience.

As a small aside, I'd like to understand why Vector (2022) doesn't respect my Light mode / Dark mode setting at all, and forces it to Dark Mode.... I suspect this might be related as we do have both Citizen and Vector 2022 but I'm not 100% sure. With the assumption that we'll be using the LoC seal variant for all items, let me know what wordmark or logo variants you need 0x99.

(Making a new section for the sake of my sanity, the conversation got pretty deep last time.)

EDIT: Did two "very wide" versions intended for Vector 2022 for light and dark mode. Uploaded them here. File:PMWiki_LOC_Wordmark_Dark_v1.svg File:PMWiki_LOC_Wordmark_Light_v1.svgHomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 05:58, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I think it generally looks good across Citizen, Vector 2010, and Vector 2022 (with both light and dark), but we might want to separate the ("Puella Magi Wiki") wordmark out of the logo (see: mw:Manual:$wgLogos for Citizen and Vector. So the variant are:
  • logo (for Vector legacy) combined icon+wordmark (current)
  • icon (emblem only without wordmark)
  • wordmark (text only)
I can generate favicon from the icon.
As for theme, I plan to upgrade MediaWiki later this week (so the traffic dries down a bit) before the spoilers lift. Few extensions are stuck on an old version because of MediaWiki version lock . Hopefully Vector 2022 will be fixed when I upgrade. -- 0x99 (talk) 06:09, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
Okay, will see about making these tomorrow so we have total coverage. Still, wild to see something I made in the corner. HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 06:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
Amazing job and thank you! -- 0x99 (talk) 06:15, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
I don't see the bug you mention with Dark and Light mode in Vector 2022, but if it's fixed with an update then good for you.
And going back to the topic... well shit, I saw the conversation above before and said "I'll respond tomorrow", and today I open the site with the icon... I was going to say that the color still seems too... light? Pink-ish? (specially in Dark Mode) And that maybe we could follow the "Homura ripping Madoka" theme and maybe add some purple/dark purple at the ends (or at least to the bottom center one). I read above that gradients could be a problem though. About the different emblems for light and dark theme, it sounds very good. I understand however that this seems basically making another from scratch. Also, I understand if I'm just saying things and if I'm saying it later after the icon was already changed and that maybe it is too much of a hassle to change it back. There should be no problem with generating a small .ico from it. Also also, for the next time, can we select one or several files and upload the propositions there as new versions? You could get lost switching from files to files and not knowing what version you are even replying to. ImperviousCover (talk) 09:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#New logo -- 0x99 (talk) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Background

Since we're talking about the favicon and logo, I wanna suggest we use these for the background.

Light mode:

Dark mode:

Header and footer:

I also think having a background color other than white would be a good idea. Like a very soft pastel, kinda like how dark mode doesn't use completely black, but dark grey. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:26, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

I can see the petals, but the dots for the dark mode seem... weird? I would have to see them in action. Same for the headers and footers, although maybe they look better. I'm neutral for the background color changes. ImperviousCover (talk) 09:14, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
I'm not against keeping the petals for dark mode too, but I don't know if they're transparent or just really pale. If we can use a dimmed version, this pattern repeats well: File:Eff 113801 repeat 01.png. I'm okay with either or, though I was inspired by how the Magia Exedra wiki has done their styling. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 09:26, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
Not sure what would be the best way to do this; Exedra Wiki seems to do this via MediaWiki:Common.css, Stardew Wiki seems to do this as an extension (and lock the entire site to Vector). Maintenance wise, Common.css is probably the best way to go. -- 0x99 (talk) 09:48, 6 September 2026 (UTC)
Yeah, I was thinking that adding it in general classes in Common.css would be the way. ImperviousCover (talk) 09:51, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

This is outgrowing this page, let's move the discussion to Puella_Magi_Wiki_talk:Wiki_Styling_Cleanup_2026#Background -- 0x99 (talk) 10:03, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

Signature (timestamp) Lines in ref?

Was going back and adding citations, remembered the signature like of five tildes for timestamp. Went "oh it'd be good to add time contexts to citations if it's a website." But for some reason it won't work. Can it be looked into / is this an option we can get potentially? it would allow better tracking of sources online, esp. with tweets and other items. HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 20:21, 12 September 2026 (UTC)

I just tried this but it seems to work for me, e.g. {{Cite/Web|url=https://www.example.com/|timestamp=~~~~~}} -- 0x99 (talk) 04:32, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
Ah, user error. It seems to work when used interior to a template, but not when used in just the ref tag. Will just use the templates; thank you for looking into this! HomuraDidNothingWrong (talk) 04:39, 13 September 2026 (UTC)
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