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Wiki upgrade

I've partially finished upgrading the wiki software to latest version and migrating the wiki to a better server (alongside with Walpurgischan). Due to this, there might be some stuff that broke, if you found anything please comment here and I'll try to fix it. The currently broken stuff I'm aware of are:

• "Magica" theme is missing — likely going to take some time to fix, because there's some breaking changes in the base Vector theme.
• Mathematics of Madoka Magica page is broken — not sure why, will have to debug.
• Runes pages are not showing the rune — updated MediaWiki:Common.css but it doesn't seems to work. Do not sure why.

Since the Wiki now running the latest MediaWiki, I should now able to install newer extensions. If anyone have any request, please feel free to say so. Also regarding the cleanup we've discussed last year, since now the new server is done, we might be able to finally start, although it's a bit too late. Either way, sorry for being slow at everything, and thank you for your patience. --0x99 (talk) 23:29, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

* images.puella-magi.net is broken — I forgot about this and it currently broke all hotlinks. Will fix. --0x99 (talk) 23:53, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Done fixing images.puella-magi.net. Runes issue seems to fix itself (caching issue?) --0x99 (talk) 07:55, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Math should now be working: [math]\displaystyle{ e=mc^2 }[/math] (and should looked a lot better than before, when inlining) --0x99 (talk) 17:56, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Restored the questy CAPTCHA (trivial question) during registration as it seems like the most effective way to combat against SPAM --0x99 (talk) 05:54, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Lazyload

I'm currently experimenting with Lazyload to see if it result in faster page load and whether it will reduce bandwidth usage for both server side and client side. Due to this, there might be a slight delay until images are displayed on page load. If it's not working out or found to be annoying, I will remove it. Please let me know what do you think. Thanks! --0x99 (talk) 16:54, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Nvm, this is proved to be more annoying and buggy than I'd hope (after half hour of browsing). I'm removing it. Sorry for the noise. --0x99 (talk) 17:24, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

User rights change

I've added User:Sondenise, User:Universalperson and User:The Witch's House to the administrator group in the wiki. The wiki administrator are a group of trusted users (in MediaWiki, "ultimate" admin permission is the configuration file) and can ban the user, lock the page, and edit stuff like MediaWiki:Sidebar (or other part of interface). This is to allow the current editors to be able to change things a bit more easily. Thank you! --0x99 (talk) 15:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much.--Universalperson (talk) 15:51, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you so much! Sondenise (talk) 17:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Congrats, you three and keep up the good work! Prima (talk) 05:36, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@0x99

You said you would be removing all the crack shipping garbage from the "yuri undertones" page when you upgraded the site, what happened to this? --User:Temptemp (talk) 21:39, 6 April 2018‎ (UTC)

Since a complete renew of the wiki seems to not be happening anytime soon (due to reduced number of editors we have, and me being busy with RL), we will have to take another approach in cleaning up articles. However, considering the Wiki's root (4chan), we cannot simply delete the page either. This is very likely resulting in subjective/fan content having its own section, completely isolated from the rest of the site. Please feel free to suggest if you have any ideas. --0x99 (talk)

Can we possibly archive the page? A lot of the links on it are dead and while we agreed not to remove the page completely, it's certainly not worth rewriting the page. Sondenise (talk) 20:25, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Now we've moved the server to a better one and anime Magia Record is coming soon, I'll try setting up some archival system in the upcoming weeks. -- 0x99 (talk) 08:20, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Server move

I’ve upgraded and move the server to the faster one in preparation for some more advanced features (e.g. setting up RESTBase so we can use VisualEditor). If you found something broken, please feel free to ping me. Thanks! — 0x99 (talk) 18:11, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Migrated again because the server wasn't fast enough for RESTBase now that I've tried setting it up. -- 0x99 (talk) 08:20, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Server down

I broke something while upgrading server, but it should be fine now. Sorry for the noise! — 0x99 (talk) 16:03, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

I broke networking configuration again but it should be OK now. Sorry! — 0x99 (talk) 07:43, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Content guidelines

Continuing from User talk:Sondenise#Inappropriate images. Concerns that were raised in the talk page: — 0x99 (talk) 13:05, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Should we keep fan illustrations from original artist: the Wiki forbids fanart, but still allows illustrations from original artists/character designers. Should this be allowed? If it does, where should we draw a line? For example, Kako Natsume's five stars art by Shino before she was promoted to five stars is very important (even for a comparison to her final five star card).

Art from the official character designers should stay in the wiki on a general basis. Some of it, like the image further detailing Kokoro's costume design (See here and the example you stated, are not available in an official capacity but gives further insight into the character or design. Sondenise (talk) 17:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

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How do we dealt with sensitive content (e.g. above PG-13): some art from the original character designs (and even the one that were being used in Magia Record) may contain some level of fan services, which many users may found uncomfortable (Magia Record is rated 12+ in App Store and 10+ in Google Play). Should we just put them under content warning collapsible block? If we do, at which point do we start removing from Wiki? Should the guideline applies to official art as well? Other approaches?

I have been looking for MediaWiki extension that allows a user to toggle a flag in their preferences to enable/disable displaying sensitive content, but there doesn't seems to be any. This is one approach we could take, but we'd need to write the extension by ourselves. — 0x99 (talk) 13:10, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Other unofficial art created by the official designers should also stay in my opinion, provided they follow "blue board rules", i.e. no visible nipples or genitalia. I'm all for keeping it under collapsible tables with spoiler tag warnings. But the problem arises with the actual costumes of the characters themselves. I know that one of the images of Haruka that upset one of the other editors was this one, however the costume is completely identical to Chisato's normal Magical Outfit with the exception of the color palette. Chisato's magical girl outfit consists of a hi-cut swimsuit with a vest and collared tie (as seen here). Both girls are only one year apart in terms of age, however Haruka is more well-endowed than Chisato. The outfit itself is no different than what Chisato wears, so why is it ok to display the image of Chisato but not of Haruka? We have this image of Chisato on the wiki implying she is embarrassed by her outfit, but the image of Haruka wearing the same outfit and being equally as embarrassed is not allowed? A similar issue can be applied to Misako Ishijima wearing the unaltered magical girl outfit of Yuuri (seen here), despite the fact that Misako is clearly an adult (as I recall, one of the arguments made by the other editor was that Haruka is 15, but Misako is an adult so why was that image removed?)

Fan service is a part of the spin-off and even a small part of the original series (such as the introduction where Madoka can be seen wearing a leather teddy that is clearly an adult outfit). It is part of almost every single transformation video in the game. It will be nigh impossible to separate all instances of fan service while still being faithful to the adaptation itself. Netflix has Madoka listed as TV-14, meaning it is intended for audience at least 14 years of age (i.e. teenagers). Myanimelist.net has it listed as being rated PG-13. This is not a series originally intended for anyone under 13. As for unofficial art, I leave it to you the owner of this website to draw the line. Personally I believe that as long as there is no sexual activity (or strongly implied sexual activity), then the art should be allowed provided we keep it under spoiler tags until we can get a sensitive content extension going. On a side note, in regards to the art of Sudachi and Mel, both characters are fully clothed. Sudachi is "glomping" Mel, not engaging in coitus. Glomping being defined as "to embrace enthusiastically; to pounce on and hug, often from a running start". Sondenise (talk) 17:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The issue you are not facing here is the fact Sondenise wants these images for their own goddamn personal gain. Please, just explain to me how the image of Haruka sweating and blushing in a revealing outfit is not sexual? It's not 'SENSITIVE CONTENT' it's porn. It's pedophilic porn. I've already made my point here. The issue is this user. It doesn't matter how long they've been here. I cannot believe you're letting a pedophile be an active user on this site. DreamerWitches (talk) 09:22, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Please don't turn this into personal attacks. Sondenise is a long time contributor, and he always respect the consensus about the guideline. If I were to decide only by myself, Sudachi's illustration should probably be gone, but I don't do that since there's no clear guidelines whether what should allow and what should not. The first thing we need to do here is to define it clearly, then we go down with the cleanups. We won't remove content without first discussing. This has always been the case in the past, such as removal of fanarts from the wiki. If you wish it to be removed, please participate in the discussion without calling names. — 0x99 (talk) 11:53, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I can agree to removing the illustration of Sudachi since both her and Mel were not designed by Masugitsune. In that regards, should we also remove the image of Manaka pulling Lapin out of her hat like a stage show magician, even though Lapin was also designed by Masugitsune? Not so much in regards to the content, but because Masu didn't design Manaka either. But that is something we have to discuss and decide what the guideline should be in regards to art from the official designers. I propose we leave art of the characters by their own original designers (under spoiler tags or not as necessary), but not art by designers that features only characters that they themselves didn't create, since it would technically fall under fanart at that point. Sondenise (talk) 16:31, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

DreamerWitches please understand that there is a difference between real life and fiction. If society were to censor everything even remotely suggestive of or depicting of potentially illegal situations, then most media and books would be illegal, especially when it comes to anime and manga. Although I am not fond of gory violent video games I would not accuse a person who plays such games of being a real-life murderer, and I think the same sense of reason can apply to this situation. I agree that children should be protected, but it is absolutely malicious to accuse Sondenise of being a pedophile both on this site and elsewhere just because their view differs from yours. Suggestive works are not new to this series. Consider that swimsuit editions of characters also exist mostly for aesthetic reasons and yet no one has raised any complaint over such depictions. Or, if you have not yet seen Kazari Jun's transformation video, I would advise you to take a look at it. If you are crusading against any depiction of sexuality while ignoring these things then there is clearly some sort of double standard in play. Please reconsider your position. Presentmiko (talk) 14:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I think putting them in a spoiler with the appropriate warnings is the better option. But if the image drawn by one of the artists doesn't feature the character they designed (such as the Sudachi one) then it shouldn't be added to the gallery. If the image shows nudity and/or sex then it shouldn't be added either (/meguca/ exists for NSFW.) -The Witch's House (talk) 11:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I think we should also allow art from people who worked with the character designs in an official capacity, even if they weren't the creators. For example, if Fuji Fujino (who drew the Magia Record manga) drew Iroha, or Junichiro Taguchi (who worked with the movie version's character designs) drew Madoka, that could be added to the galleries even though the original designer for both is Ume Aoki.--AlsoArei (talk) 13:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I believe that posting images from Twitter is a bad idea, since none of this is actually official art, it's just that they are unnecessary on the characters ' page, since they do not carry any important information, so stop posting them, I repeat, they are not needed (Gfgfgfff 10:45, 5 February 2021

I wholeheartedly disagree. Art of the characters produced by people involved with the game in any capacity should still be considered official, or at least relevant enough, to be posted here. All other fandom wikis do this (the Steven Universe wiki is a great example). It does not adversely affect the wiki to have them posted here, but people miss out if they are removed. This wiki, as with all wikis, is meant to be a comprehensive host of all information and media relevant to the franchise.

Also, unless you're an Admin Gfg (without a profile page, I cna't tell), I don't think you should be ordering others to not post on-sensitive content here.--Garr9988 (talk) 16:02, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I would like to point out that the "unofficial" art by the official designers DOES sometimes have important information (like the page that GAN posted with additional information on how Kokoro's outfit is designed, how her hair cubes work etc). Also, the picture of Kokoro in her swimsuit is no way lewd and is in fact the official swimsuit that she wears as one of her alt costumes. Sondenise (talk) 06:30, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

It'd probably be best (at least in my opinion) to put lewd images under a collapsible with a warning, if there isn't a ban on lewd images altogether.. I do think there should be a ban on lewd images, though, considering this wiki is used by children/teenagers - plus nobody wants to be surprised with lewd images anyways, especially while on a page for a young character. --Clus (talk) 05:54, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

If I can add my own two cents to this, I don't like the inappropriate art GAN puts out for these characters either (I don't really want to talk about this either since I'm, frankly, too tired from school work to really fight about that in this front), but there's also another issue from this. GAN doesn't view his art for Suzune Magica as official art; while there's no 'official' statement from him about this, he tends to take down artwork off his Twitter if it gets re-posted too many times. An example here would be the「twitterまとめ」image set from his Twitter/Pixiv set, where both have been taken off his Twitter and Pixiv (You can tell because the link on this Wiki to them doesn't really work). So, I think GAN tends to view the art posted here as reposts, since it does technically expose his art on a new front without his permission. I want to suggest just linking his Twitter account to support him, and then to put an NSFW warning on the account. --Prinpop (talk) 16:22, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

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Mami%27s_mammies What's the consensus on this joke page? I know there has been some discussion on the page's discussion tab, but it doesn't seem like a consensus was ever reached and the page has been left untouched since then. This is one of those pages where we either leave it as is (there is already a disclaimer marking it as a joke) or we delete the whole page outright. Sondenise (talk) 18:49, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I vote for deleting it. --AlsoArei (talk) 23:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

not sure if I'm allowed to, but I'd also like to vote in favor of deleting it. Sweetblueflag (talk) 02:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

I think the page has run its course and should be removed, along with the fan art on it. There's an archive of the page on archive.org apparently, so if people want to see it again they can find it there instead of here on the wiki. -The Witch's House (talk) 05:12, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

I think the consensus is clear: the original talk page was 9/4 in favor of deleting it, and since the issue was raised again people have unanimously supported the same. Sondenise, could you delete it? --AlsoArei (talk) 02:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

FUCKING DELETE THE CP ON WALPURGISCHAN PLEASE

God.

I'm looking on the Gallery:Walpurgisnacht but I don't see any art that isn't from an official source or that could be misconstrued as obscene. Could you put a link or elaborate further please? Sondenise (talk) 15:03, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

No, i mean there's cp (real) on the imageboard walpurgischan. It's been there for hours please delete

Whatever was there was already taken care of, there doesn't appear to be anything on either /meduka/ or /meguca/ at the moment. We've been dealing with a spammer for quite awhile now on the board who keeps posting bad links and ban evading. I've already been in contact with 0x99 on how to go about dealing with this since they keep getting around the bans. -The Witch's House (talk) 17:08, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

It's back MODSSSSSS

It's been removed. There's a report button on both boards btw Susamongus. -The Witch's House (talk) 03:45, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

I can't find it

THERE'S MORE CHILD PORN

ITS ON /MEDUKA/

The "in Magia Record" pages

For the most part, these contain extremely little data, and what little data they do contain is primarily in the form of either summaries of story content involving the characters, or gameplay data that could be better served by the Fandom wiki. This, I propose (once sufficient cleaning is done) a wholesale merger of the "in Magia Record" pages with their parents. No reason we should squirrel away details on Kazumi from the sequel event separately from the actual page on Kazumi, after all. SuzuneMU (talk) 16:36, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

So long as the pages for the Magia Record cast are similarly expanded with all their anime information, I think that sounds fine.--Garr9988 (talk) 18:58, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Stuff to add to the sidebar

Could someone please add Rebellion, Extra Story, Sadness Prayer, Homura's Revenge, and Homura Tamura under "Manga"? A light novels section would also help, in order to cover the Madoka LN and Null Magical Girl. Ditto for events in out-of-franchise games such as Divine Gate and Phantom of the Kill. --Economy (talk) 17:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Deceased Character Category

Maybe not the proper page to bring this up, but I'm thinking there should be a category for deceased characters? Eruna Kiriha, Ryo Midori, Michiru Kazusa's grandmother, etc. The problem is that some of these characters did die in certain timelines of the original series but lived in its finale; some are dead in its finale but are alive again in Rebellion or in Magia Record, etc. It's very confusing. Maybe there should be subcategories that specify which media they are or aren't dead in? "Deceased (PMMM)", "Deceased (Magia Record)", etc? --Garr9988 (talk) 05:21, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Making a deceased category seems fine, but I'm not as sure about separate deceased subcategories. Another option if you want to keep track of who's dead where would be to have a page that lists all the deceased girls in each work. I'm not sure if that's better than a category, but it's something to consider. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 19:47, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

A category would be the better option than a page imo I don't think it'd be confusing as to when or which timeline they died in (you're more likely to read their story first to know when and where they died before looking at the category.) The problem would be is if this category is considered a spoiler for those that don't know and is this category necessary. And I think it'd be a bit weird to have an entire page dedicated to character death within each timeline/canon. Unless there's an example of another wiki that has that, most just put down the category based on the latest work/canon and the info of when they died on their page. -The Witch's House (talk) 02:16, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

If spoilers are an issue, you could make a hidden category – just add the text __HIDDEN_CAT__ anywhere on the category page. It does mean there won't be a link from the page to the category, but the category page will still link to all deceased characters, and it can be a subcategory of the main characters category so that there's at least some way to discover it. (I used that for eg Magical girls by Surname.)

Also, note that for characters who don't have their own page but are bundled into a minor characters page, you can edit their redirect page (generally the "given name, surname" redirect, not the "surname, given name" redirect") to categorize them. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Potential relaxation of the spoiler policy

The original Puella Magi Madoka Magica TV anime turned 12 last month.

In its twelve years of life, the franchise has become utterly enormous. Between the lengthy stack of mangas, Null Magical Girl, and a critically-acclaimed gacha game, there's a fuck ton of it. And almost all of that takes the fact that magical girls become witches (or used to and are now slaughtered by an eldritch Throne of Heroes instead, or used to and are now protected by the Automatic Purification System) as a given.

Especially given that Magia Record constitutes the vast majority of the franchise, it's getting increasingly ridiculous to have to tread lightly around certain topics such as "the Law of Cycles exists" and "how witches are born." Thus, I propose a change to the spoiler policy where the contents of the original TV anime and any adaptations thereof -- but not TDS, Rebellion, Wraith Arc, or Kaiten and Scene/Zero when those come out -- are considered "non-spoiler."

Not only would it make talking about the franchise more convenient, but by this point, twelve years on, it can largely be assumed that anyone who's on the Puella Magi Wiki has either seen the original TV anime, or read Magia Record first or something and thus knows the spoilers anyway. It feels like a relic from the Speculah days when people were actively trying to guess where Gen was taking the story, which was, again, twelve years ago. What are your thoughts? SuzuneMU (talk) 04:27, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I feel, as much as a relaxation for spoilers could help. I have noticed that, many new people are joining the Madoka "fandom" everyday, especially since Magia record is still a very new thing, like hell, some people don't even know Magia Record exists still. So i feel the sudden relaxation on spoilers may cause issues on new people, Plus, i don't think there is a lot of restriction towards spoilers to begin with? but that's just my opinion CafeAuBandage (talk) 18:03, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

To address your comment point-by-point:

1. Magia Record isn't very new, it's five years old.
2. The original TV anime is very short and easy to binge, so I feel like if someone checks the wiki before they're finished and gets a setting spoiler that's on them.
3. It's true that there isn't a lot of restriction towards spoilers -- "Witch name" is listed unredacted on every magical girl article without fail -- but there are two main arguments I'd use in favor of loosening them further:
   • I would still prefer to minimize the amount of unnecessary spoilertext, simply because it makes it annoying to read a paragraph where every mention of a character becoming a witch is redacted to hell and back.
   • Spoiler-tagging basic universal setting details like this actively harms readers who are familiar with the original anime, but not with the rest of the franchise, as it means they have to guess based on context whether any given block of spoiler text is safe to read or not based on how likely it is to be about setting stuff rather than plot details that actually matter. (And sometimes said plot details that actually matter are tightly linked with setting stuff, as in Tart Magica where Isabeau de Baviere's anomalous status as a witch/kyubey hybrid due to both her and Lapin's wishes is critically important, or the ontological mystery of Magia Record's first arc, making it even more hazardous.)

The distinction I make here between setting details and plot spoilers is the main thrust of my argument, really. The TV anime is structured almost entirely around a POV character learning about the world and reacting to that knowledge, making it comparatively free of plot spoilers whereas stuff like Oriko and Tart have substantial plots that the setting details are incidental to. "Magical girls become witches if their gems darken" isn't really a spoiler for the TV anime's plot, it's a Thing For Kyouko To React To. In the case of MagiReco, I'd potentially be fine with being asked to spoilertag stuff like "an alternate Madoka created the Law of Cycles," but what the Law of Cycles actually does should be able to be spoken without fear. Does that make sense? SuzuneMU (talk) 09:51, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Server migration

I've migrated the server to a new host, and upgraded the MediaWiki software to the latest version. The new server should be much faster, especially from the US. There may be some things broken, in that case, please feel free to ping me here (or if I didn't notice, email maru@puella-magi.net). Sorry for inconvenient. -- 0x99 (talk) 13:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Why the sudden skin change, though? It's extremely confusing and unpleasant on the eyes. EPF (talk) 08:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

I switched it on while trying to enable responsive layout for mobile last night, but it looks like I didn't revert it properly. It should now be back to the old skin now. Sorry about this. --0x99 (talk) 10:22, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Seem to be getting an error if I try to upload a new version of a file. I get the following message: "A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software" and "Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError". - The Witch's House (talk) 10:41, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. The database table was changed from InnoDB to Aria during migration and broke some of MediaWiki's functionality. -- 0x99 (talk) 12:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Was the MsUpload extension intentionally disabled or was that an accident? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I thought I've replied this but I haven't. There were some issue that were breaking edit layout, so I had to disable it. I upgraded to a newer version & tried again today and it appears to be working now. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- 0x99 (talk) 14:45, 10 September 2023 (UTC)