Talk:Timeline (Historical)
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Basically, I see the Timeline articles seem to be considering everything they can to be canon? Basically just skipping gag manga like Madoka Engawa or Magia Report, and stuff like comic anthologies. While I'd describe that as a controversial decision (There are purists that only consider the anime and Rebellion canon, some that accept Wraith Arc too... People who don't accept Magia Record as canon whatsoever, regardless of how they feel about the manga spinoffs... People who consider PMMM to have multiple independent canons... People who consider Scene0 non-canon (oh hey, that's me), and so on...), if we intend on synthesizing indeed everything, then we have to consider PMMM to be happening in 2011. This is stated on Kirika's gravestone in Puella Magi Oriko Magica volume 2, page 97. EPF (talk) 19:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think it's best to gather all the information and let each reader decide which parts are canon. That's also a good reason to add references, especially in articles like this one and Timelines, so readers know where certain pieces of information ultimately come from. But… I would say it's literally impossible to consider absolutely everything to actually be canon. We can gather all the information in one place, but claiming it's all part of one coherent whole is certainly a stretch. But then again, by gathering it all together, it can also be made clearer where the contradictions lie. For example, the role of Cleopatra and Himiko in the original anime versus their role in Magia Record. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:17, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I second what Celtic said. For this page, let's act like everything is canon and let people decide what is or isn't canon for them. Also, as for Kirika's gravestone, that was likely retconned in Sadness Prayer much like Kirika's phone model (its a flip-phone in the original Oriko Magica, but a more generic smartphone in Sadness Prayer). Also, if we assume that Magia Record and Madoka Magica take place at the same time like is stated in Magia Record, it is impossible for it to be 2011 due to the model phones that are used by the characters. Amaterasu (talk) 13:03, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I also think it's better to not include birthdates of random characters, like Kirika's. Also, since Exedra seems like it's gonna have retellings of the manga stories, then we can treat the 2011 debacle as retconned when/if that happens. Maybe just including the 2011 details in brackets and not a whole subheading is enough to not have one for 2011 and also present day.Sweet Beanie (talk) 11:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- I second what Celtic said. For this page, let's act like everything is canon and let people decide what is or isn't canon for them. Also, as for Kirika's gravestone, that was likely retconned in Sadness Prayer much like Kirika's phone model (its a flip-phone in the original Oriko Magica, but a more generic smartphone in Sadness Prayer). Also, if we assume that Magia Record and Madoka Magica take place at the same time like is stated in Magia Record, it is impossible for it to be 2011 due to the model phones that are used by the characters. Amaterasu (talk) 13:03, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, it's been more-or-less retconned, but I don't see how Kirika's birthday is different from Kosane's? I think we should represent that information even if it's inconsistent with other media, perhaps *precisely* because it's inconsistent. What's the point of a timeline page that includes years if something that may-or-may-not be considered canon that points exactly when most spinoffs happen, and then not including it? We're including NMS, for love's sake. I'm the first person in line to praise NMS but treating its events as something universal and not one weird spinoff is a reach in its own right. EPF (talk) 16:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)