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Magia Record Anime status as an anomaly

I'm not sure if we should consider AniReco to be an anomalous timeline in the same way the GameReco timeline is. I can't remember the exact story, but I've heard it was retconned from "APS existing is an anomaly and GameReco is the only timeline to have that happen" to "APS succeeding is an anomaly and GameReco is the only timeline to have that happen"...? EPF (talk) 08:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

GameReco is an anomaly caused by Iroha's survival. If I recall INU Curry's tweet correctly, AniReco is Madokami's attempt at recreating the same phenomenon and Doppel System. Sweet Beanie (talk) 09:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I checked his tweets from March 2020 to August 2022, I found nothing like that. EPF (talk) 17:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
This is a bit unofficial, as I can't find the interview/tweet where it's originally from, but I'd saved this conversation regarding how anireco can exist.File:Discord_stitch.jpg Sweet Beanie (talk) 22:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Both the quote and your conclusion sound like utter nonsense. I agree with your conversation partner in that the explanation isn't really worth hearing. A timeline isn't even remotely like writing an essay. It's simpler and more logical to assume the Magia Record timeline is a timeline that wasn't changed by Madoka's wish but had the same conditions of Kyuubey existing and making contracts. The concept of "subsuming every timeline" when she made her wish is a paradox to begin with, and a paradox is by definition something that doesn't (can't) happen. So logically all PMMM timelines should be split into "ones where Madoka became a god" and "ones where Madoka didn't become a god", Magia Record is one of the latter, and Madokami can somehow observe just that one from the latter category but for some reason isn't able to observe other similar timelines. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Conflating Puella Historia with the original timeline

I don't think we can be sure that Puella Historia events happened in a reasonably similar extent in the original timeline. While they technically are pre-pebble, ultimately:

  • Many of the time travel shenanigans are inherently Magia Record exclusive, given that there most likely is no other timeline where Iroha, Ui, Touka and Nemu become one with APS and attempt to record history
  • Some events are clearly contradictory to the main timeline. Most notably regarding Himiko and Cleopatra. Looking at Episode 11 around the 6th minute, Cleopatra, Himiko and Jeanne d'Arc are namedropped in runes, with relevant real-life historical events being displayed and just an episode later same figures are displayed in front, mostly being saved by Madoka.

＜紀元前30年８月29日…＞
<On August 29 of 30 BCE,>

＜オクタウィアヌスに幽閉されていた@クレオパトラ７世は厳重な監視下にも関わらず@自死したと伝わっている＞
<it is said that Cleopatra VII, imprisoned by Octavius, committed suicide despite being under strict surveillance.>

＜その方法は、贈答品の果物に忍ばせていた@猛毒のコブラに自らを咬ませたというが…＞
<According to legend, she did so by allowing herself to be bit by a venomous cobra hidden in a basket of fruit gifted to her…>

＜真相は、定かではない…＞
<...But the truth remains unknown.>

FILENAME: 518620-12_0b1U9.json

＜クレオパトラの死から数日後…＞
<A few days after Cleopatra's death…>

長老: …で…
Elder: Hm…

長老: ファラオには会えたのか？@エボニーよ
Elder: So you met with the pharaoh, Ebony?

It's the very same Cleopatra VII! EPF (talk) 08:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I suppose that's correct, but it also brings some things to question. Are they actually the same timeline or is Homura switching universes? I say this because in one timeline Kyosuke played guitar instead of the violin. I've heard people mention that but I don't know if there's been any confirmation Sweet Beanie (talk) 09:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm not really sure what the official terminology is, but assumming Homura does timeline jumping doesn't necessarily eradicate other methods of timeline-branching. Same story with parallel universes, actually. EPF (talk) 17:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Also I suppose it kind of depends on how "atomic" we consider a "timeline" to be. Do we currently have 3 timelines: pre-madokami, post-madokami pre-akuma and post-akuma? Or do we have the supposed hundred from god-knows-which interview, each for every time Homura rewinds the clock, and then some that popped up with other spinoffs? EPF (talk) 17:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I don't understand what message you're trying to convey by dropping that translation fragment…? But I do agree there is some mild evidence for the Magia Record universe and the main anime universe not having identical histories. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I've seen people suggest before, not necessarily on this wiki, that the two Cleopatras could simply not both be Cleopatra VII (as there are multiple rulers by that name). However both the 2011 anime Cleopatra and MagiReco Cleopatra use the same myth about dying by snake bite, which is associated with specifically Cleopatra VII. EPF (talk) 08:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Ahhh, that makes sense now. Thanks. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Too messy

Even with nothing filled in yet, this page is a nonsensical mess. The inclusion of historical events here is just confusing at best, misleading at worst. Then there's the bizarre split of the Wraith Arc timeline into four parts (1, 2, 3, 4) for no apparent reason – I'm not aware of any evidence to suggest that the anime epilogue, Wraith Arc, and Rebellion don't all fit into the same timeline. Then there's the highly questionable inclusion of the Magia Record timelines in the Law of Cycles section when those timelines don't have a Law of Cycles. And what the heck is "Paradox" supposed to mean? None of the possibilities I can imagine seem like something that belong on this page. Finally, creating a page that's all structure and no content is extremely questionable in and of itself. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I thought I'd include historical events that regard Magical Girls, which is why I included a lot of information about Pernelle and info from her MSS. I also included the stuff from Tart since it's not affected by Homura's time loops. The "final timeline" is the one which results in Madoka becoming Madokami. The Universal rewrite is the rewrite made by Madoka's wish and the timelines in its category are the ones that were changed after Madokami's rewrite, which is why both Magia Record timelines are included in it. The "forgotten timeline" is from Wraith Arc and it is important to note because all of Wraith Arc is undone by the end of it. Which is also why it is different from the Rebellion timeline, which is the one where Akuma Homura comes to existence. Paradox is the section that will include various parts from Magia Record where Paradoxes happened and also what paradoxes are and what they do (basically explaining why Mikoto was a threat in the arc 2 finale). I realize that the names are unofficial, but I simply added the ones I thought'd be most fitting for them. I do plan to explain what the page is for and what timelines change (such as when Kyosuke got a guitar and Cleopatra not becoming a Magical Girl), and how they were created, but I thought having a structure would be a reliable way to start out. If you think the page shouldn't exist, I understand, but I still think that the information that's meant for it should be somewhere that's easy to access. Sweet Beanie (talk) 21:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
That's a huge wall of text, but I'll try to respond to your points one at a time…
  • Regarding historical events, including stuff from Tart: they're just going to clutter up the page. The historical events are identical for every timeline, except for the rewritten worlds and maybe Magia Record, so putting them on a page dedicated to discussing the timelines is just going to get in the way. The most obvious way it gets in the way is that having historical events means that every section must now have a Present Day subsection, which is amazingly terrible (having 30 sections with the same name on a page? Really?).
  • Regarding the final timeline: There is definitely a clear line of causality from the final timeline into Rebellion and the upcoming Walpurgisnacht Rising, which I feel is enough to qualify that as a single timeline. But on the other hand, all of history was rewritten twice during that time, which perhaps is an argument to separate it out into three timelines.
  • Regarding Wraith Arc and Rebellion: I just checked the finale of the Wraith Arc manga again, but I don't see where you get the idea that everything was undone. The climax of the fight against the Spindle Witch appears to break Homura's shield (without activating it), and a few pages later Kyuubey is looking at a fragment of that shield and spouting words that clearly foreshadow Rebellion. It may be the case that memories of the events were erased (though it's unclear), but that's very different from them having never happened. Though, the ending is not very clear at all, so probably any theory we come up with is no better than speculation.
  • Regarding Magia Record: You said that "the Universal rewrite is the rewrite made by Madoka's wish and the timelines in its category are the ones that were changed after Madokami's rewrite, which is why both Magia Record timelines are included in it", but that makes no sense whatsoever. In fact, isn't the entire premise of the game that the timeline was not changed by Madokami's rewrite? And that fact of being unchanged is what drew Madokami's attention to it.
  • Regarding structure without content: This approach makes sense if you're drafting something out in private – build the structure and slowly fill in the details. But this is a public wiki. Having structure without content just means that someone comes to the page and is disappointed to find nothing but air.
  • Regarding paradoxes: Excluding the arc 2 finale which I haven't seen yet, I don't think any paradoxes have ever actually occurred in the Magia Record story. There was a lot of talk in the Tart Magica events about being worried about paradoxes, but I never saw evidence that the concerns were truly warranted. Indeed, as Iroha herself said in Maiden of Hope, "We were so worried the whole time about changing history, but… everything worked out in the end. So maybe it would have, no matter what?". But even if there are paradoxes in the arc 2 finale, what does that have to do with timelines? Or, at most, it would be a note in the specific timeline it occurred in, not a toplevel section of its own.
Ultimately my objection is not to the page's existence but to its structure and content. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 21:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Maybe we could divide this page into multiple sections? Like, universal events go in the main Timeline Page, then a page for the original show timeline, then another page for paradox timelines? That might work. Amaterasu (talk) 19:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
That could also get messy. First, some timelines are intristically tied closer to one piece of media than others - I think the only timelines that are considered paradoxes come from the MagiReco game, some timelines introduced in one story get further reinterpreted or expanded upon in others (like Scene0 reinterpreting the 2011 anime, Tart Magica slightly reinterpreting the design of Jeanne d'Arc). But more importantly, I don't believe we can be sure there are events that are truly universal, we have evidence of events from as early as 2000 years ago being different between one installment and another (Cleopatra). Many installments are completely detached from one another (I don't think we have anything that references TDS, Wraith Arc, Homura's Revenge or NMS at the moment), many's only point of contact is MagiReco which is its own timeline even if the characters come from another spinoff. EPF (talk) 21:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Um, isn't the page you're referring to as "the main Timeline Page" really the timeline for the original series? Though it does have a Magia Record section for some reason, but since Magia Record now has its own timeline page, I don't know if there's a reason for that to stay on the other page…
Anyway, as I stated above, I think this page should be limited to the timelines that stem from Homura's time travel, and should not even reference events that occurred before her birth. Logically speaking, there would be no reason to think that Homura's time travel could alter the history of the world prior to her birth (though that's assuming it really is time travel and not some sort of dimensional displacement type thing). So, from the perspective of historical events, we really only have two timelines – the "primary" timeline of the anime, and the "secondary" timeline of Magia Record. (The two rewritten worlds could be added as well, for a total of four, but that's only if we ever learn of any historical events in those worlds that differ from the primary timeline.) Thus, having a separate page for historical events will keep things that much cleaner.
And as for paradoxes, it doesn't count as a paradox just because characters say "oh no we're causing a paradox". The characters are not all-knowing, so their analysis of such a thing can't really be trusted (probably, not even if it's Pernelle or Kyuubey). Still, even if there is a clear paradox somewhere, I don't understand how you could separate that out from the timeline that spawned it. I would put it either on this page or on a historical events page, filed under the relevant timeline. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
The problem is - it appears that Homura's shield isn't the only source of time travel or timeline creation. For instance, Pax Romana's Sweetheart is directly stated to have two separate timelines as a result of Amaryllis' wish, Arc 2's finale has Iroha turning back the time after everyone dies fighting the Mirror Witch, Null Mahou Shoujo has Kosane witness her own suicide countless times as she's stuck in a timeloop. Or on an even bigger scale, Madoka's Episode 12 wish caused most of the timelines with Witches to be destroyed, creating new ones free of them, which later was once again changed by Rebellion's finale. The mechanics of all those events are often left somewhat vague, but limiting "timeline" to "something created by Homura" would make sense with 2011's installments, not now in 2024. EPF (talk) 16:07, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
I don't see how that's a problem? Homura's shield is still the #1 primary source of alternate timelines in the franchise. The few you've noted here are the exceptions, and your list here is probably exhaustive as well. (You've omitted the Tart Magica time travel cases, but those appear to be stable time loops, so no new timeline is created.) So focusing on Homura-originated timelines still makes sense now in 2024. Amaryllis's original timeline and Kosane's loop (assuming it's an alternate timeline rather than a stable time loop) can be noted in a page on historical events, as both predate Homura as far as I know. (Even if Kosane actually postdates Homura, which might be the case if you take the original anime to occur in the year of its original broadcast, her events aren't entangled with Homura's in any way.) Iroha's time travel is entangled with Homura's, so it can be mentioned on the main page here. And the rewrites are similarly entangled with Homura's time travel, so I think it's fine to mention them here on this page. But including the historical events here just clutters things up. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 16:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Citing specific stories

I think it would be worthwhile to add from which part of a story instalment any given piece of information is from... This page plans on distilling information from two movies, 37 TV-sized episodes, a light novel, at least 6 different manga, multiple video games, one of which had nearly 7 years worth of continuous content, and probably some word-of-god. Something like (Tart Magica Chapter 2) or (Magia Record Event Story Hereafter) should be enough, I don't think we'd need to go down to the exact page (for manga), battle (for magireco), or timestamp (for anime). Just enough to track down where something is from. I don't think it matters if we do it with <ref>s or just a simple link with parenthesis, as long as we keep it consistent, it's just a matter of aesthetic. Without that it's difficult to fact-check/verify information, read further if someone's interested, or deal with story contradictions like Himiko/Cleopatra from above or the amount of timelines Homura went through via Scene0 (that kept the value under 20 iirc) and Nitro+ Q&A Panels at Animagic 2013 (that stated the amount was approaching 100). EPF (talk) 18:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

We should use Template:Reflist. I put an example in the Null Magical Girl info section I added. Amaterasu (talk) 19:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Time span

Most of Homura's timelines in the original universe start from the 16th day of the month and last 32 days, ending with Walpurgisnacht.

This doesn't seem possible. The timeline starts at the 16th and runs until the last day of the next month. That's 46 days, not 32. Or, maaaybe it starts at the 16th and runs until the last day of the same month, but in that case it's only 15 days. (Madoka Magica Timeline supports the longer version, but only tentatively. It's also noted that the span could be as few as 39 days.) There's no way to make 32 days fit within the constraints. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 14:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Does Scene 0 not confirm that it's 32 days without a shadow of a doubt? With maybe an extra day for the next morning of the battle where Gretchen shows up usually? We only know that Homura wakes up on the 16th (of presumably March). If we take into account that Walpurgisnacht in real life is at the end of April, then the loop is 46 days but Scene 0 seems like more solid proof than that. Sweet Beanie (talk) 09:02, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
It's not "beyond a shadow of a doubt" if it contradicts the original anime. I don't know the exact reason why people originally concluded that the 23rd was the earliest possible date of Walpurgisnacht, but I'd like to assume it was a good one. I also don't know what about Scene 0 makes it clear that it's exactly 32 days. Even if we're specifically shown 32 days in each film, how do we know those are 32 consecutive days? (I haven't watched Scene 0 yet though.) ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 14:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
Scene 0 is pretty uptight and exact on the number of days and wat happens in them. For example, on day 1 Mabayu and Homura wake up from the hospital (confirmed to be the 16th). When days are skipped in the story being told, the number of the Scene 0 Film also changes. Additionally, certain events are tied to the same days in the films to the point I thought of making a chart for them. I don't remember quite correctly, but for example: Homura wakes up - Day 1, school field trip to the factory - Day 4 (I think), Kyosuke has a breakdown and causes Sayaka to make a contract - Day 19 (I think), and lastly, the fight with Walpurgisnacht and (often) Gretchen - Day 32 (and the following morning). The days are indeed consecutive and when nothing important happens in one day, they skip telling us about it and go to the next day. What can be said for sure about the OG anime is that Homura wakes up on the sixteenth and the loop ends with Walpurgisnacht. The holiday, Walpurgisnacht, is on April 30th/May 1st, but there is no hard proof Walpurgisnacht comes to Mitakihara on April 30th. After analyzing Madoka Magica Timeline#Timeline 5: The Main Anime Timeline, it seems they were generous with the number of times Mami took Sayaka and Madoka on witch hunts, extending it to a full week. Additionally, the 23 day thing is that after that extension, on the day Homura tells Kyoko that Walpurgisnacht is 2 weeks away, it will be the 23rd. They also extend the days Sayaka could have been missing for until she became a witch, making it a whole week again (stops going to school on april 13th and becomes a witch either april 20th or 28th). Afterwards, they have Oktavia being defeated and Sayaka's body being found immediately before Walpurgisnacht arrives, even though that would be unlikely since her body would at least be held for analysis after being found in a hotel room so it couldn't be the very next day. However, I know that Japan has very fast and strict funeral processions so I'd believe that it's possible. It seems they thought very hard about the number of days involved in Scene 0, which is unlike the case with Magia Record and how many things happen just in Arc 1 when Walpurgisnacht arrives. You'd have a hard time including all those even if it was 46 days (the longest theorized). So yeah, I strongly believe that, with how much detail Scene 0 has, it should at least be respected on how many days it lists for the timelines it has (1 to 14), if not all of them, as we've never seen Homura be confused on the day Walpurgisnacht arrives (to my knowledge). Sweet Beanie (talk) 22:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Detail

I think some of these timelines (especially timeline 3) are getting a bit too detailed. Don't forget that each film has a page dedicated to it that covers the timeline in much more detail – there's no point describing every little thing on this page. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 14:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Dropdowns

I added spoilerbox dropdowns to not have the page be super long. I don't know if there's a better template for it but I thought it'd be a good idea to break it up into different parts. Sweet Beanie (talk) 13:23, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Spoiler-tagging is inherently utterly pointless if it doesn't tell you what the spoiler warning is for. Is it for the 14 year old anime, an obscure light novel released 3 years ago, or material that finished being released not even a year ago? This template doesn't tell you. Well, spoiler warnings on a wiki are inherently pointless as well and I'm a major proponent of removing the warnings altogether, but I don't think I'll get anyone to consider nuking them off the face of the wiki anytime soon. EPF (talk) 09:09, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
I actually support removing spoiler tags for individual words, especially since there's a spoiler tag that'll automatically notify readers that there's spoilers on the page. I'd suggest not having any spoilers for the OG Anime and Rebellion since they're so easily accessible. As for the other media, I think that only the end chapters should be spoiler-tagged if anything. Alternatively, only recently released media, like Walpurgisnacht Rising (when it releases) should be spoiler-tagged until it becomes widely accessible. Sweet Beanie (talk) 09:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
I think they're being used here not to hide spoilers but to allow the viewer to expand the part they want to view. So maybe we should have a template that's identical to the spoiler box but with a different header? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 14:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Wraith Arc, again.

While Homura herself doesn't remember the events of wraith arc, they're still canon. At the end of the manga, Kyubey is confirmed to have remembered, as this type of time travel was highly unusual, with both Homura and Madokami turning time back and shattering Homura's shield. So, I don't understand the statement of "Whether these are both part of the same timeline is under dispute – the ending of Wraith Arc appears to show Homura travelling back in time once more." Perhaps I'm missing or misunderstanding something? Or there's confusion with the fan translation of Wraith Arc, which was the one we had for most of the last 10+ years, and the more recent official one maybe?Sweet Beanie (talk) 21:03, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

This also may be redundant, or splitting hairs, but the epilogue of episode 12 and of wraith arc don't match, but the only detail that doesn't match is that Kyubey doesn't descend the building on Homura's shoulder. Should there be a differentiation, and if so, when would that have happened? Or should I just leave it as is? Sweet Beanie (talk) 21:13, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

I don't completely remember where the "dispute" came from (did I write it originally or was it someone else?) but from what I recall, Wraith Arc leaves things a bit vague as to what actually happened. It looks like time travel may have occurred, but we're not quite sure. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 03:04, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's confirmed, also these are the pages that confirm that Kyubey remembers it and the ones that also raise confusion for my second point, the one about Homura's shoulder and the end of episode 12:

Wraith Arc Chapter 9 Page 56 Wraith Arc Chapter 9 Page 62 Wraith Arc Chapter 9 Page 63 Sweet Beanie (talk) 16:18, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

From my reading it's ambiguous whether time travel actually occurred in those pages. Kyuubey's words are the strongest evidence in favour, but I'm not sure that's conclusive. The mention of memories disappearing suggests that perhaps no time travel occurred and memories of the event were just erased. I do think it's likely that time travel occurred, but I don't think it's a solid fact. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 04:33, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
Ah, I see what you mean. Yeah that makes sense. It's not a very conventional time travel situation, so it's nebulous enough to say that everyone's memories were just wiped and everyone was placed to where they used to be. Sweet Beanie (talk) 13:30, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Still too much detail

There's still at least ten times the information on this page that there should be. This is a summary at most, or more of an outline of the whole franchise. It should not contain paragraphs upon paragraphs for every single timeline. It most certainly should not contain hundreds of bullet points for specific Magia Record events. And why is Tart Magica stuff in here? That's historical, it doesn't belong here. A mention that Iroha and co travelled back in time, maybe a few sentences summarizing what happened in the past. That should be all you need to mention on the Tart Magica events, not a full-on three-page synopsis. We have links for a reason. Use them. Link to the event page and let the linked page carry all that detail.

The page as it currently stands is just absolutely insane (and Historical is only a little better). Timelines is the fourth-longest page on the entire wiki (Historical falls in at 28th place), and most of the reason for that is because it's trying to contain the entire wiki in one page. Please try to vastly reduce the volume and use links.

I didn't want to step on all your hard work, but I am seriously considering stepping in and just cutting out huge chunks of both pages. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:28, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Splitting the article

I want to split this article, as well as potentially the one in historical, into different pages. These are some of the ideas I have so that it's more easy to read. I plan on dividing it into articles like how Magic works with articles and sub-articles (probably describing it wrong).

I at least want permission to rework the pages for Madoka Magica Timeline and Magia Record Timeline, especially since they seem to be more speculah or theory pages.Sweet Beanie (talk) 13:25, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

How do you want to split it? You said "these are some of the ideas" but never gave any actual ideas... ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 00:02, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant like for example rework the Magia Record Timeline and the Madoka Magica Timeline and place their last versions into theory or speculah type of thing. Then from there have it like how the Magic/Personal Abilities works and have a section for Arc 1, Arc 2, between, before Arc 1 and after Arc 2 (for example: Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 1). The Main Series timeline would be split into some weird version of Scene 0 to Episode 12, then from that to Pre Rebellion, and post Rebellion. Magia Record's Anime would have its own thing. I would probably split everything into universes, but if you have any ideas for better page names I'd be all for it. Sweet Beanie (talk) 07:52, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
I really don't think there's anything in Magia Record Timeline that qualifies for moving to the community namespace? Not much if anything in Madoka Magica Timeline, either. That aside, your idea sounds like it could have merit. Why not start by creating the subpages first, then we can see how it looks and work out a new layout for the main page? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:21, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
Okay, thank you!Sweet Beanie (talk) 13:18, 11 October 2025 (UTC)


Moving to Timeline

I'd like to migrate to the article Timeline once I'm done with making sub-pages of this page as I've started to do. Just putting this here to lay the groundwork for that. Usually in other wikis they don't have articles named Timelines, just a singular Timeline. Sweet Beanie (talk) 19:57, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Do you mean replacing the redirect, or replacing the page it redirects to? But that said, I think the plural is actually more suitable in this case, as the series specifically revolves around time travel. Most series don't have repeated time travel as a major plot point, so the singular would be more appropriate in most cases. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 21:49, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
Splitting it up helps with the huge size, but you're still adding waaay too much detail to all of it. You're dumping so many little details in here that don't even matter for the most part – there should really be no more than two or three sentences for any given event or chapter or episode or film or whatever you call the instalment. All the rest belongs on the page dedicated to that instalment. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:30, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

Publishing the timeline drafts

The majority of the timeline articles are finished, or at least better than the current Timelines article. There's only one section left that I'm working on (it's for Magia Recrd pre-arc 1) and after it's finished, they should be good to publish. There's some things that need to be done so I'll lay it all out. I will not sign the list itself as I'll use it to keep track of what the current plan is in case someone wants changes. If I don't hear objections by the end of the week, I'll assume it is okay and proceed. (Naturally the old content will be moved to the talk pages to not be lost)

I know a lot of them are too detailed, however I've often used them to keep track of what actually happened so I knew where everything fit. Here's the current plan, and I will strikethrough parts that are done. Keep in mind this is for publishing the articles, so if someone wants to dispute information regarding one part of the timeline sub-articles, we can open the discussion on their talk pages after they're published. This discussion here isn't about that. I also feel like since I've been the only one working on them, I want to encourage others to also use these articles for information, reference, but also feel free to update them as well:~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 12:20, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

In my opinion everything is good, at most the pages being too detailed is kind of an issue. I was gonna ask earlier but just decided not to, but this feels like the perfect opportunity to, wouldn't it be okay for you to move a lot of your too detailed sections straight to their respective pages? I know a lot of those pages already have stuff, so replacing it could create issues, but I mean stories like the Exedra Events, the timelines detail some of them GREATLY, but the actual event pages are empty T-T. So would you move your summaries into the pages, and then shorten their summaries on the timeline pages? - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 12:39, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
Sure no problem. I'll get to it. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 12:56, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
Did it with Mami's Doppel event. I made a short summary in the comments of Magia Exedra Event - Mami Tomoe: A Doppel Tale, can someone please check it out, or maybe change it so that I know what the general opinion is on how much detail is too much detail for a timeline article and then I can get started on the rest of them? ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 13:07, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
I feel like its still too much? This is my opinion, but I think details like:

She remembers Madoka's words about building a better future little by little. She will not run from her past.

Are unnecesary. They fit on the event page as details are important to the story, but not to the timeline. Again this is my opinion, I suggest others add theirs. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 13:16, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
I do think the timelines pages still seem overly detailed. I think they should be at most a 1 paragraph summary for any given timeline, plus maybe a few bullet points of key differences from other timelines, and if applicable, one or more links to the more detailed summary. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:41, 17 June 2026 (UTC)
I like the first navbox too. I'll use that one. Is the amount of detail in the Scene 0 one good? It's quite short and helps with chronology too: Timelines/Original/Scene 0 ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 07:52, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
In my opinion the Scene 0 page looks good, in my eyes the problem is in the Magireco pages, those have too much detail. I think its okay to shorten them after publishing though. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 09:28, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
Thank youu :D. Though since we're here, do you think the Misc./Other should be split somehow? Just a final check before everything is finished. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 11:48, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
I think splitting it into Timeline/Original/Other, Timeline/Magia Record/Other and Timeline/Magia Exedra/Other should be good. I'm not sure about the Law Of Cycles deserving its own other page, as I know that Hanna and Mikoto in the LoC timeline is a thing, but I think that should be okay to put into Timeline/Law of Cycles? Also the first part of Exedra Quest Ch1 already introduces us to a new timeline, so Exedra definitely deserves its own other page. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 11:56, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
That works. I'll do that tomorrow when I publish them. How would the navbox look like though? The other entries don't have / marks on it. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 19:52, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
Changed it on the table below, I think that should be okay? - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:14, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
I really can't agree that this is ready to "publish". Many of the pages are still excessively detailed for what the pages are supposed to be.
  • The Scene 0 timeline page is overly detailed, but it's juuust barely in reason. I'd recommend using it as the upper limit on how detailed a timeline page can be.
  • The Original timeline page is waaaaay too detailed. I think it should be split into at least two, maybe three pages. The Darc stuff at minimum should be on a separate page; I'd consider moving the Different Story prequel stuff to a separate page too, but it might be fine to leave it once Darc is gone.
  • The Miscellaneous page is also no good – I think the actual level of detail is mostly fine in that one, but it should be split up into shorter pages.
  • The main Magia Record page is also waaaay too big. The Magia Record arc pages are a bit too detailed, but like Scene 0 I think they can be given a pass. But the main Magia Record page should be at least split into historical and present day pages.
As for the proposal of replacing the current Timeline page, at the moment I can't really approve of it? It looks to me that there's a bunch of info in the old page that's not in the new page. I think it could be up for debate whether that info belongs on Timeline, but it definitely shouldn't be deleted. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:48, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
1. I'm generally opposed to splitting these things because we never know if / when they may connect to something on present day. Let's say they decide to make the St. Magica Academy a thing in modern times and the main cast go to visit? Would that belong in the Tart branch or the normal branch? What if there's a story set in Norway during the same time as tart and one character meets Elisa as a baby? What would we do about that one? Pernelle also as been around for hundreds of years, it seems likely that she may reappear in some form if they do something like Puella Historia again. But I'm open to it if we can figure a way to deal with these situations.
2. How would Tart be split off specifically? Should there just be one part that says Timeline/Original/Darc? I can see the reason in that since it is a mostly nested story, but at the same time it'd be really awkward to read through. One second you'd be in the ancient times, then you'd go to a part that says "For Darc / Tart Magica go here." Additionally I just can't see a way to find a name for it that would satisfy everyone with the Darc / Tart names. But if there are any ideas, I'd be open to it. I'm just worried because of the fact that tart as a word can be used as an insult and Darc is the overall newer version and not even used in Japan. (Plus how would it be ordered on the navbox? Tart can't be placed between the original and Scene 0)
3. Alternatively, if we were to split history (whether in Magia Record or Madoka Magica) into the recent past and the distant past, how would they be named and where would be the cutoff point? If we get a story about the WW2 girl we've seen around, where would she fit in if they decided to explore her story? It doesn't seem like a problem now but I think it's worth at least having rules about that.
4. Splitting Misc. into Original, Magia Record and Magia Exedra sub-pages is already in order. I'll get to it right now and I think that should be good. If you think splitting it further by putting Oriko in its own thing, I'd be against it since it involves so many characters from the main cast. It'd be jarring to have different story be separate from Oriko just because some new characters show up.
5. I understand that the original page is too detailed, but the Mitakihara and Kazamino section specifically had to be slightly more detailed to figure out where they fit into each other. Overall I will get to shortening everything once the information there is at least on its appropriate pages.
6. I definitely agree that Timeline shouldn't be deleted, especially since there's a lot of worthy analyses there. I think it should be moved to a Speculah page like the Speculah Magic page was. It is majority just theories and theories that only take into consideration the original series at that. And I understand the series went through retcons but we really can't do anything about that and I think the original Timeline article is very outdated.
7. The issue with Magia Record pages is that a timeline article would have to keep track of information which regarded each magical girl, if not even important human characters. Magia Record has more than 100 of them. I understand for example being frustrated at the amount of detail the Azaleas and Nanaka's team were going through during that time, but at the same time it can't really be skipped since it's kind of important how Nanaka collected all her teammates and how the Azaleas were on the run.
8. I know many of the pages are way too detailed independent of the point I made previously. I was hoping I'd be allowed to publish the articles, then thin them out as we go along giving the information to pages that don't have them. Arc 2 and Post-Arc 2 are a prime example, where many of the chapter pages aren't finished but the timeline is at least cohesive. I think it's worth doing since Arc 2 in specific is very difficult to access and learn about if you're not really involved with the community. I think it's better to have a really long article that is detailed, which then gets smaller as the parts that are supposed to make it up start becoming more sensical, than have nothing.
9. I hope this all made sense, sorry if I went in circles a bit. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:33, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
I'll address your points one by one.
Point 1

Let's say they decide to make the St. Magica Academy a thing in modern times and the main cast go to visit?

Why would that ever happen? St. Magica Academy is not only non-canon but impossible to be canon.

What if there's a story set in Norway during the same time as tart and one character meets Elisa as a baby?

I guess that could go in with the Tart Magica stuff.

Pernelle also as been around for hundreds of years, it seems likely that she may reappear in some form if they do something like Puella Historia again.

I think it's fine for her to appear on multiple pages.
Point 2

How would Tart be split off specifically? Should there just be one part that says Timeline/Original/Darc?

Probably something like that, sure.

One second you'd be in the ancient times, then you'd go to a part that says "For Darc / Tart Magica go here."

Pretty much. The problem is, Darc is 10x more detailed than anything else in the ancient times section. If you can cut it down to, say, ~5-10 bullet points, then it could probably stay on the same page.

(Plus how would it be ordered on the navbox? Tart can't be placed between the original and Scene 0)

I'd say it's nested hierarchically. If you have a bulleted list, it would be indented under the "historical" section. For a navbox, you'd probably do something like "Historical (Darc)".
Point 3
I think I'd say that if it involves characters who appear in the "present day" stories, it can be thought of as "recent past". If it doesn't involve characters who appear in the "present day" stories, it can be thought of as "historical". Time-travelling characters don't count for this consideration. There could be a grey area though if it involves relatives of characters who appear in the "present day" stories, such as a parent, an aunt, a grandparent, etc – that could probably still go in "recent past" but could maybe also go in "historical". I'm also not sure yet if the "recent past" is enough for its own page once you split out Darc and the "historical" section – it might be enough to merge it into "historical".
Point 4
I think splitting into Original, Record, and Exedra Alts should be good enough. It might turn out that Misc Original is still too big after the split, but I can't see any good way to split it further.
Point 5
If what you're saying here is that you still plan to cut it down further, then great. I can take another look once that has been done.
Point 6
Moving Timeline → Community:Timeline and Timelines → Timeline would be a simple plan to avoid deleting it while still "publishing" the new one. But also, don't forget about Magia Record Timeline. We need to figure out what to do with that as well. I think the table there isn't really represented in the new timeline articles?
Point 7
We should at least split the Magia Record page in the same way as the Original Page – that is, into "historical", "recent past", and "present day" sections. The recent past in this case would be the "7 years ago" through "1 year ago" sections, as well as the "recent past" section. Present day wouldn't actually be a separate page, as it's already split between Arc 1 and Arc 2; that said, where do key events such as the Paper Mulberry fit in? And I think the "historical" section is also too long.
Point 8
It's fine for stuff on the wiki to be a work-in-progress, as long as it's not very clearly "under construction". So I think I'd say it's okay to "publish" after splitting up the Original, Miscellaneous and Magia Record pages.
~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 14:49, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
The Magia Record Timeline that is already in place is both a theory page, as well as unfinished. I'd suggest also moving it to Community:Magia Record Timeline as it makes a lot of assumptions as well.
Okay, the plan works. Making Timeline/Original and Timeline/Magia Record as more of hubs to their sub-pages would be a good idea for naming conventions. How about these are the articles:
Timeline
Timeline/Original (Hub page that explains what the original universe is, then lists out and explains its sub-pages)
Timeline/Original/Historical (It will include all history excluding Darc)
Timeline/Original/Darc (Everything Tart here)
Timeline/Original/Scene 0
Timeline/Original/Final
Timeline/Law of Cycles
Timeline/Devil
Timeline/Magia Record (Hub page for Magia Record)
Timeline/Magia Record/Historical (Puella Historia and other ancient stuff here)
Timeline/Magia Record/Prelude (the recent past)
Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 1
Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 1
Timeline/Magia Exedra
Timeline/Other (Idk if this is needed as a hub page, please let me know if you think it's unnecessary)
Timeline/Null (Grouped under other)
Timeline/Other/Original OR Timeline/Original/Other (since they're not derived in the same way as the other ones, maybe it's better to list them under Other first instead of Original first? What do you think?)
Timeline/Other/Magia Record OR Timeline/Magia Record/Other
Timeline/Other/Magia Exedra OR Timeline/Magia Exedra/Other
~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 16:12, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
I also made the introductory paragraphs of all of these here: User:Sweet Beanie/Checklist#Thing ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 21:02, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
That more or less looks good. I'm not entirely sold on moving Magia Record Timeline into Community, but we can discuss that more later. I think Other looks better at the end than in the middle, but… what about the Magia Record Anime timeline? Is that in Other? Does it deserve its own page? ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 22:18, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
Yeah I definitely think the anime should just be on the Other for Magia Record instead of anything else. It has nothing following it and it has a definitive end and it is very similar to the normal Magia Record. Plus without it, Magia Record Other would be just a bunch of Mirrors the characters have visited and Magia Report. Plus Infinite Iroha mentions going in a Mirror and seeing a reality similar to the anime in her quotes, so it may as well be listed in with the other. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 09:17, 20 June 2026 (UTC)
What's this about mirrors? The current section is a stub, so I have no idea what that's about. Magia Report honestly doesn't need an entry at all, it's 100% non-canon (the same goes for the vast majority of the Kirara Magica spinoffs). It's fine for them to have a timeline article if there's stuff of interest to put in a timeline, but no real need to link it in with the main timeline – they shouldn't be under Timeline/Original or Timeline/Magia Record if they have absolutely no link to those timelines. (No, making fun of Magia Record does not count as a link.) So in summary, that means there's no need for a Magia Record Other. Just delete/move Magia Report, delete Mirrors (maybe make a new page for it if there's actually something worthwhile to put there), and rename it to Timeline/Magia Record/Anime. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:23, 21 June 2026 (UTC)
I've had this conversation before somewhere but I can't find it. If we decide to not include the comedic entries, I'd be fine with that. However, Magia Report had an event with a Rumor that was very similar to the Friendship Staircase and the whole premise was that if the Rumor connects to the Magia Record universe that universe will break. I thought that was good enough, but I'm fine not including them or the other comedic stuff. However, I must ask if things that have plausible deniability, like Mami's Everyday Life (which to my knowledge is just a universe where Mami is chilling) must be included, it seems possible. For example Welcome to Café Grief Seed!, Mahou Shoujobu Madoka Magica don't seem different from the alt-universe stories. (Actually can I just get a list of what can be included and what can't).
As for the Mirrors, I put the contents of what will be included in comments so they're not empty. It's mostly just descriptions ofalternate worlds te mirrors opened. The stuff that will be included in mirrors are all the alternate universes and stuff done by Mirrors. For example off the top of my head, Iroha and Madoka go into a mirror were they're dead or something like that, there's the mirror where Nagisa likes chocolate, the one the alternate Sae comes from, the Lyrical Nanoha mirror (crossovers will not be detailed and most likely neither will many of these but the settings will be described), the lycoris recoil mirror. I haven't gone through Exedra but Infinite Iroha has a quote where she saw a world similar to that of the anime but I may be misremembering that part. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 07:19, 21 June 2026 (UTC)
I have absolutely no objection to having timelines for the non-canon comedic entries. However, nearly all of them are undeniable alternate universes, not just a different timeline, so they should be an entirely separated section, not linked to the main lines. The only ones I can think of that could link to the main story are Homura's Revenge and maaaybe Mitakihara Anti-Materials (though even MAM is a slight stretch). Even Mami's Everyday Life is no good – it eliminates the mechanic of "magical girls collapse when getting too far from their soul gem", so it can't be the same universe. Similarly, Homura Tamura crushes the time-travel mechanic, so it can't link to the main story either. So, in essence, they should be treated as unrelated alternate universes.
That Magia Report case you mentioned doesn't seem like enough of a reason to direct link it to Magia Record – it's a reference, not a direct connection (the connection never actually opened, right?). And yes, Café Grief Seed and Magical Girl Club are both clearly alt-universes. Same goes for that one where everyone is in elementary school (don't recall the title). This is the same level of alt-universe as Karin's Infinite Halloween, St Magica, and Magia Island, which are all events in Exedra.
As for the mirrors, right now it sounds like it's not enough to have a separate section, but I can't really judge it well from just a few titles, so you may know better than me. I think it would be fine to make something like Timeline/Magia Record/Mirror Worlds for that sort of thing. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:14, 21 June 2026 (UTC)
That's good for me, I was trying to not go overboard with the number of derived articles. Also since the timeline for Magia Record will not be named Magia Record Timeline, the article Magia Record Timeline is fine as it is as well. I think all that's left to do is decide wat the list of articles will be. I'm a bit confused as to whether you mean that Timeline/Original/Other will now just be for timelines that could have happened if Film 13 isn't the last one, or if it will be alt-universes that are mostly similar to the original.
I say this because it seems that the intention with Mabayu's MSS was to make it be set in the timeline of the anime, making Film 13 also be the Final one. While it can't be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, I bring this up to say that entries like Different Story, Oriko, etc. are no longer just loops Homura went through, but they've been delegated to completely different universes. I understand that this would mean Timeline/Original/Other would be for alt-universes like Different Story where it is very very similar to the main continuity, which is where the plausible deniability comes in with timelines that could have happened if Film 13 isn't the last one, but I just wanted to make that clear.
Below is another list, feel free to edit and add descriptors as to what entry belongs in which place: ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 18:09, 21 June 2026 (UTC)
Also adding this before I forget: Magia Record/Other also has the Magia Record Anthology, so that also needs to be accounted for and that's why I thought a joint Magia Record/Other would fit for this, but it is also a bunch of one-shots so idk where those would fit at all -_-
Also let's continue here from now on. I feel like we're close to the finish line. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 17:40, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

I bring this up to say that entries like Different Story, Oriko, etc. are no longer just loops Homura went through, but they've been delegated to completely different universes

IN MY OPINION, they are just as canon as Scene 0, as long as they don't directly have stuff that contradicts the main anime story, they can be canon. That's the whole point of why they have Homura going back in time at the ends (same goes for anireco but tweet tweet whatever). I have no idea what stories are from the Magia Record Anthology, but if they're small imo they should go on Magireco Other. Unless the mirrors page would have a lot of story, it should just go into /Other, that way any other stuff like the Anthology stories dont have to get their own pages. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:08, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
Okay, so having Magia Record/Other AND Magia Record/Anime? What about where the comedic stuff is supposed to go? Just in Timeline/Other? ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 18:45, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
I don't know what the current plan is, but imo it could deserve its own page. If Magirepo and MagiaEtc are considered the same timeline/universe (I know Magirepo ends with Madoka and Iroha going on a train and in MagiaEtc they arrive at the lighthouse) then I think that's enough to justify it having its own page? Really depends on just how much would that page have, like would it collect info from both comics and events? - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:53, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
Okay, so first of all, timelines such as Oriko Magica, the alternate ending of Different Story, or Homura's Revenge are clearly set up as something that could have slotted into unseen timelines of the main anime. Thus, they should all branch off from Original at the same level. Scene 0 also branches off at the same level. Even if there are contradictions between those branches that prove they couldn't have all happened, the fact remains that each of them individually could have happened. (I'm not aware of any such contradictions, but they seem to play fairly loose with canon, so there likely are some.) In other words, Oriko Magica etc are, in fact, just "loops that Homura went through", and not entirely separate universes. Technically, even Magia Record could sort of fit that definition, but it's big enough to keep separate.
Next, it seems that we're using the term "alt-universe" in different ways. I'm using it to refer to anything that uses the characters, but not the setting. That is to say, we see the Holy Quintet or some subset of the Magia Record cast, but in an entirely different setting, with entirely different mechanics and no link to the main canon. Many of the Kirara spinoffs fit this definition, and Exedra has run several events that also fit – Karin's Halloween event, St Magica, the currently-running Magia Island, and I think one or two more besides. If the girls are called something other than magical girls and fight something other than witches, or if they don't get their powers by contracting with Kyuubey, or if magical girls and witches don't exist, or if witches aren't enemies, then it's an alt-universe and shouldn't go under any of the main subpages (Original, Magia Record, probably even Magia Exedra).
I also have no idea what stories might be in the Magia Record Anthology, but if they're potentially canon, they can probably go on a Magia Record/Other page. As for comedic stuff, I think you could probably make one page for Repo/Etc and one page for everything else. I think one or two of the drama CDs also fits in here. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 19:13, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
Im editing magireco events and Magia Record Event - Angels on the Road happens "In a world where it's Christmas every day", that's an alternate universe then? - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 21:32, 22 June 2026 (UTC)
I think it could count as an alt-universe, though if it has any kind of "but it was actually a dream" reveal then that muddies the waters. Dance Magica and Holy Maiden Academy both fit that definition. But I think a good metric for that is, does the "dream" end up influencing "reality" in any way? If it's a one-off and no-one ever remembers it, it may as well have never happened; but if people ever refer back to that "dream", then it definitely shouldn't be split out to an alt-universe. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:31, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
That's different because it is a computer game that gained sentience. It's a simulation.
Okay then. The rule is: Timelines like Oriko that have an almost identical background belong in Original/Other, same for Magia Record Anthology going to Magia Record/Other (to my knowledge they're smaller side story stuff, like "Karin plays an april fools prank on Alina"). I still think Magia Record/Anime and Magia Record/Mirrors can be put inside Magia Record/Other, but I'll let it go. Sometimes alt-universes like Magia Record Anime also have a time traveling Homura, just like Magia Record the game does. Since we're making Magia Record Anime its own thing as well, it works out in the end regardless.
I think Timeline/Other can function both as a hub and a place to keep the comedic things.
If we're moving alt universes from Magia Exedra/Other, we can have a page Other/Alt that explores alternate universes that have different rules like St Magica. In that aspect, since the latest chapter with emo Sayaka is clearly different, maybe that's the kind of thing that would belong in an Magia Exedra/Other? I think it could be a nested section inside /Magia Exedra but I'll let it go.
To make things simpler, just edit the list below for a finished product and I'll get to it. Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:10, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
Probably repeating this but I think Mirrors -> Other. Also I wouldn't separate the alt universes to their own page yet. All of the Exedra ones are like 2 events long as of now, its possible future events will take place in them and the timelines will get longer, but right now I think it deserves to stay in Exedra/Other. Also about the Emo Sayaka timeline, its gonna be weird cause the Exedra timeline will have to link to it, and then back when Name leaves it (It could just be like *Name, Kyoko and Felicia enter timeline this and that. Go here for the continuation). About the comedic stuff, I dont think its good to have a page be a hub and a normal page, I still think Magirepo deserves a page, maybe just Timeline/Magia Report. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 08:30, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
Just like when there's a short amount of time travel like Amaryllis and the Arc 2 Finale, if a universe is truly one and done, or never revisited (because this latest story said it's just an anomaly they'll have to fix so I doubt it'll continue) we can just have a small section dedicated to it in the same story. Plus Magia Exedra is already set in a place between dimensions. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 14:43, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
Just noting that I too think Mirror can go in Other, unless there's a great deal of content. You're correct that Magia Record Anime could fit in Other; I just think it's a bit too big to shove it in there. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:31, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
Call me when the final list is decided. ~ Sweet Beanie (talk) 06:40, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
Okay Im pretty sure that the last things to decide are what to do with Exedra alt universes (either Timeline/Other/Alt or Timeline/Magia Exedra/Other). While I think that Other/Alt is a good idea, like I said before, I think the current ones are too short for a whole article like that. So in my opinion they should go on Magia Exedra/Other, until they get big enough to warrant their own page. Also what about the recent past of the og universe? Does it go into historical or will there be a prelude page like record has? - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 12:19, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
I'm fine with keeping the Magia Exedra alt-universes nested under Magia Exedra, but they should definitely be on a separate page from other things. We could have a Timeline/Magia Exedra/Alt page, no idea if there's enough material for it to worth the extra page though (also depends what else goes on Timeline/Magia Exedra/Other).
As for the recent past of the original universe, I think it could have a prelude page, yeah; but I don't know how necessary it is, as the recent past is mostly just Different Story in this case. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 12:49, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
Wait where do the mangas (excluding Oriko) even go?? Maybe Timeline/Original should be both a hub and have stuff like the recent path to everything that leads up to the loops, cause right now it looks like there's just no place for that. For what Magia Exedra/Other has, its mostly Nightmare stories as the game says that they're "posibilities", so theyre both canon and not. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 13:01, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
We already discussed Tart Magica, which is historical. I'd say Kazumi Magica and Suzune Magica both fall into the same category as Null Magical Girl – they're definitely in the same universe, but their temporal relation with the main story is unknown (assuming you ignore evidence from Magia Record). And we've already mentioned that Oriko Magica and Different Story part 2 both fall into the category of "potential timelines within the main story". ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:35, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
I meant which page do they go onto, right now Null has its own page but from what it looks like Kazumi and Suzune just have nowhere to go. They dont fit in with Historical or Scene 0. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 11:10, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
There is actually an interesting question here of whether there's any point in having a section dedicated to Magia Exedra at all. Aside from the Lighthouse plotline, most of the Magia Exedra stories slot in as either possible alternate timelines in the main story or as add-ons to the Magia Record story, so those could totally be slotted into Original and Magia Record respectively. Though, the Lighthouse plotline alone might be worth having a section for it; but even then, it's worth discussing whether anything outside the Lighthouse plotline belongs there. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:35, 25 June 2026 (UTC)
Tbf yeah, there's no reason for the Nightmare stories to not go on Original/Other, as theyre directly connected to the original universe (and Magia Record/Other for the magireco ones). That leaves the Alt universes and the Emo Sayaka timeline, like Sweet Beanie said before the Alt universes could actually have their own page, and if we move all the nightmare stories that makes it even more sensible. About the Emo Sayaka timeline, Im not sure where it could go? Name goes into it in Exedra Quest, and that will be mentioned in the Lighthouse plotline but it definitely deserves its own section atleast. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 11:10, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

List:

  1. Timeline (Introductory article and hub to the other hubs)
  2. Timeline/Original (Hub to everything from Timeline/Original/Historical to Timeline/Devil, also includes Timeline/Original/Other)
  3. Timeline/Original/Historical (Everything except Darc)
  4. Timeline/Original/Darc (Everything Darc that isn't Magia Record exclusive)
  5. Timeline/Original/Scene 0 (The first 13 films)
  6. Timeline/Original/Final (The definitive last loop)
  7. Timeline/Law of Cycles (Wraith world)
  8. Timeline/Devil (Rebellion and Kaiten)
  9. Timeline/Magia Record (Hub to everything from Timeline/Magia Record/Historical to Timeline/Magia Exedra, also includes Timeline/Magia Record/Anime and Timeline/Magia Record/Mirrors)
  10. Timeline/Magia Record/Historical (Mostly Puella Historia and he Tart events)
  11. Timeline/Magia Record/Prelude (The recent history)
  12. Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 1 (Arc 1 and after)
  13. Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 2 (Arc 2 and after)
  14. Timeline/Magia Exedra (Magia Exedra)
  15. Timeline/Other (Hub to everything from Timeline/Null to Timeline/Magia Exedra/Other)
  16. Timeline/Other/Alt (Proper alt universes, such as the non-canon spin-offs published in Kirara Magia)
  17. Timeline/Null (Null Magica)
  18. ??? (Entry for stuff purged from Timeline/Original/Other, maybe it will double for the comedic stuff and papa comics, or should this be moved to be inside Timeline/Other)
  19. Timeline/Magia Report (Page for stuff that happens in the Magirepo/MagiaEtc comics and events)
  20. Timeline/Original/Other (Different Story, Oriko, plausible canonicity if Film 13 isnt the last one, Portable routes)
  21. Timeline/Magia Record/Other (Magia Record Anthology and Mirror Worlds, potential for deletion)
  22. Timeline/Magia Record/Anime (Magia Record Anime)
  23. Timeline/Magia Exedra/Other (Alt universes explored in Exedra)

Navbox Ideas

I have two ideas for the Timeline Navbox

Idea 1
Timeline
Main Timeline
Historical (Darc) ➤ Scene 0 ➤ Final ➤ Law of Cycles ➤ Devil
Magia Record Timeline
Historical ➤ Prelude ➤ Arc 1 ➤ Arc 2 ➤ Magia Exedra
Other Timelines
Null ・ Magia Record/Anime ・ Magia Report ・ Original/Other ・ Magia Record/Other ・ Magia Exedra/Other
Idea 2
Timeline
Main Timeline Magia Record Timeline Other Timelines
Original ➤ Scene 0 ➤ Final ➤ Law of Cycles ➤ Devil Pre-Arc 1 ➤ Arc 1 ➤ Arc 2 ➤ Magia Exedra Null ・ Other

I think I prefer the first one but the second one is more compact. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Implementation Plan
  1. Add details regarding the subplot of the Nanaka Mafia, Azaleas, Mikoto and then the Embryo Eve and Breakpoint into this article: Timelines/Magia Record
  2. Change important names to the ones that are the latest among the articles, like Rabi > Lavi, etc.
  3. Fix the references in the articles which I've left as xxx marks (when I started a lot of the events, like the Koito event, didn't have articles to reference to)
  4. Publish the articles, making the old ones both redirects and deletion requests.
    1. Here's what I want to do. I want to replace the current Timeline article with the part I've made here: User:Sweet_Beanie/Checklist#Timeline, and the part that is just a bunch of test headers User:Sweet_Beanie/Checklist#Test is the idea for the navigation between the timeline articles (if anyone wants changes to that also let me know. I'm nt good with css and templates).
    2. This would also mean that Timelines and the historical one would be deleted, as it has no information that isn't in the current drafts that I've made. Plus it is generally very ugly to look at and outdated on information.
  5. Here's how the articles will be changed before publishing from the current to how I imagine their links:
    1. Timeline will be replaced with the content in User:Sweet_Beanie/Checklist#Timeline as previously stated.
    2. Timelines/Original]] --> Timeline/Original
    3. Timelines/Original/Scene 0 --> Timeline/Original/Scene 0
    4. Timelines/Original/Final --> Timeline/Original/Final
      1. If/when there's confirmation that Film 13 is the same as the Final one, then we merge it all together. In this case, it should be renamed to Timeline/Original/Homura, or maybe just kept in Original. We'll see what happens once there's more Mabayu content.
    5. Timelines/Null -->Timeline/Null
    6. Timelines/Miscellaneous --> Timeline/Other
    7. Timelines/Law of Cycles -->Timeline/Law of Cycles
    8. Timelines/Devil --> Timeline/Devil
    9. Timelines/Magia Record --> Timeline/Magia Record
    10. Timelines/Magia Record/Arc 1 --> Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 1
    11. Timelines/Magia Record/Arc 2 --> Timeline/Magia Record/Arc 2
    12. Timelines/Magia Exedra --> Timeline/Magia Exedra
  6. After publishing, the lines without references, which often are from the articles that are already in place (Timeline, Timelines, Historical) will be replaced with ones that have references once we get to them.
  7. Besides keeping track of days, the articles are often too long, however (especially for arc 2) the timeline section I've made is often better detailed and formatted than the actual event/chapter pages. Once an event page is for sure at an optimal state, then the section in the timelines should be shortened to the bare bones. Though, this should be done carefully (for example let's not omit things like Ryo's death).
  8. With the reveal of new information and new content, the articles will be improved in the future.
  9. In the end, we will have a Progress report in the end of the Timeline article. It will keep track (both to the readers and to the editors) what events have been covered by the articles and where they are chronologically, and what hasn't been integrated yet. It will be a dropdown within a dropdown so that it doesn't interfere with anything (like one dropdown inside it that just has what events have been covered and one that hasn't; this is just an idea). (Also if someone who's better in templates and css can help out with making it that'd be great, since it would take me a bit to make one)
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