Talk:Main Page

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• Talk:Main Page/Archive 1 (January 18, 2011–February 27, 2011)
• Talk:Main Page/Archive 2 (February 28, 2011-April 25, 2011)
• Talk:Main Page/Archive 3 (April 25, 2011-March 14, 2012)

Wiki reorganization

Since we now have more contents than when we started a year ago, I think it's now the time to reorganize part of series into its own section. My suggestion:

Main page
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|- Madoka Magica
|  |- Madoka Magica Characters
|  |- Madoka Magica Episodes
|  |- Madoka Magica Theories
|  |- Madoka Magica Observations
|  |- Madoka Magica Soundtrack
|  `- ...
|
|- Madoka Magica Portable
|  |- Madoka Magica Portable Characters
|  |- Madoka Magica Portable Story
|  `- ...
|
|- Madoka Magica Mobage
|  `- ...
|
|- Oriko Magica
|  |- Oriko Magica Characters
|  |- Oriko Magica Chapters
|  `- ...
|
|- Kazumi Magica
|  |- Kazumi Magica Characters
|  |- Kazumi Magica Chapters
|  `- ...
|
|- Deciphering the runes
|- Translated official documents
`- ...

...with each section has a footer navbox template similar to the one in Wikipedia (like in wikipedia:Bakemonogatari#External_links). Any page that don't need its own section goes into flat page as usual (e.g. maybe the Mobage stuff). This would allow contents to expand more easily and make more room for future contents (Movie, possible spinoffs, etc.). Thoughts? --0x99 10:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I would prefer a page for Translated Official Documents as well as the Translated Official Miscellaneous. It's fine to keep it under Products. There's overlap between the two anyways. More than Runes, in any case. --randomanon 10:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, do you mean section for each documents?

Translated official documents
|- NewType 2999/12
`- ...

But isn't this already the way it works? --0x99 11:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm asking for two links. One to Translated Official Documents and another to Translated Official Miscellaneous to be posted at the same level. They can be kept under Products. Right now, we only have a link to the first one. randomanon 12:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah OK. Yes, we can do that. --0x99 12:27, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. And it can be "Documents" and "Documents Other" or something to keep the title short. --randomanon 16:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I added it as Official Materials in the sidebar for now, should rename the page during reorganization (so it doesn't looks like a subpage of Documents that way). --0x99

If we agree on this, please feel free to start breaking Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable into multiple subsections (possibly omit the "Puella Magi" part, just Madoka Magica Portable to keep it short and easy to type). Ping me if you need anything (extensions, etc.) --0x99 18:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Gallery cleanup

Also it might also make sense to cleanup gallery with this reorganization. Character pages are too image-heavy and we're nearly hitting 1TB transfer each month (we used around ~800GB of bandwidth last month). Any input on how to deal with this is always welcome (i.e. what to delete and what to keep). --0x99 15:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you're addressing it. I've felt for a while now too many pages have excessive pics in the galleries. I would strongly suggest deleting most of the ones that's easily obtainable from another static source like pixiv, danbooru, etc. unless there's a compelling reason for it. For example, we don't need a dozen pics of Homura with weapons. Just a couple or few will make that point. There's also lots of screenshots that are posted that don't really seem to have a point. We have ten of them in Homura's gallery of just different expressions. Why? If screenshots are posted, they should illustrate a point. For example, I might include three of hers with Moemura, timelooping Homura and ribbon Homura to show contrast in changing expression. People should really think about what they post and why, not just post for the sake of it. --randomanon 16:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

What about those 2ch/2chan photoshopped images of magazine illustrations? Should we keep it or delete them also? --0x99 16:11, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Maybe post one of each illustration, and put the rest in a zip for download. Not sure why, but they seem really popular. I get the same download counts for them as I do doujins. Also, maybe get more selective about gifs as well. I doubt we need as many as we have. Keep the best ones and provide the rest in zips. --randomanon 16:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe we could make a "photoshopped images of official illustrations" section and dump all of them to it in a organized manner. (Thumbnail of original, then list photoshopped images, and maybe the first time they appeared, etc.) Finding sources would be very hard though. --0x99 16:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

It might be a good idea to have image gallery pages for a bunch of different categories. If it's just "don't post more than necessary" we'd have to constantly police people who think posting images cleans their soul gems, but if there's gallery pages they can be directed over there and have fun without filling up high traffic pages. So at the bottom of Homura's page there'd be a text link to Gallery/Homura. KM 20:48, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Ultimately, that would not resolve the image-heavy pages/1TB data transfer issue 0x99 is talking about. All you're doing is moving pics to a new page, and it's only a matter of time before they become extremely image-heavy. In fact, dedicating blank pages to image galleries would probably only encourage more image postings. A certain amount of self-restraint makes sense. There's 4chan and other image boards for that purpose, no need to treat the wiki like one. I think the merchandise page could use a look through as well. Many of the pics taken of say a figma from various angles isn't necessary, since the link to purchase it displays all those pics. It's redundant and that page is becoming very long, as new things are constantly being added. --randomanon 21:03, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Isn't the data transfer the result of lots of images being on pages that are getting heavy traffic for the non-image content? If the gallery gets a tiny fraction of the views the character pages get, bandwidth use would drop. Then again, the image board could be used as a gallery. As for merchandise, along with fanworks, those are really long to scroll through, and could be split up by category, with each main page being an overview/index. Are there stats on what percentage of bandwidth use is coming from each section? KM 21:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately there's no detailed stats available. Until the recent CloudFront migration, we stored images on a bulk hosting to reduce bandwidth costs (which only has total bandwidth usage available). It works fine until we exceed the 600GB/month cap. Then I migrated to CloudFlare which cache image files and only report total bandwidth usage. I'm not sure if CF has any kind of bandwidth caps, but cleanup any unused or unnecessary images is always better in a long run (backup cost, and such.)

I think posting non-informative image dump in something like Walpurgischan might be a better idea, since I can implement long caching there without having to worry about expiration (since there's no file versioning) and we can also avoid polluting wiki namespace that way. --0x99 00:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

"Madoka Magica" reorganization plan

In case nobody disagree with this proposal, I'll made a following changes:

Madoka Magica ← Episodes

Move Episodes page and add few data related to the series such as Plot from Main Page. This page will have similar layout to the current Main Page but only with Madoka Magica (series) specific data and a link to each page in its section (Characters, direct link to episodes, rune translations, etc.)

Madoka Magica Characters ← Characters

Either move or migrate Characters page but without characters data of other series in the franchise. Initially there should be no layout change.

Madoka Magica Episode 1: As If We Met in a Dream... ← Episode 1

Madoka Magica Episode 2: That Sounds Wonderful ← Episode 2

Madoka Magica Episode 3: I'm Not Afraid of Anything Anymore ← Episode 3

Madoka Magica Episode 4: Both Miracles and Magic Exist ← Episode 4

Madoka Magica Episode 5: There's No Way I'd Regret This ← Episode 5

Madoka Magica Episode 6: This Just Isn't Right ← Episode 6

Madoka Magica Episode 7: Can You Face Your True Feelings? ← Episode 7

Madoka Magica Episode 8: I'm Such a Fool ← Episode 8

Madoka Magica Episode 9: I'll Never Allow That ← Episode 9

Madoka Magica Episode 10: I Won't Depend on Anyone Anymore ← Episode 10

Madoka Magica Episode 11: The Only Signpost Remaining ← Episode 11

Madoka Magica Episode 12: My Best Friend ← Episode 12

Simple page rename will do.

Madoka Magica Products ← Products

Madoka Magica Merchandises ← Merchandise

Page rename. Remove Kazumi and Oriko stuff from Products page.

Madoka Magica Musics

Madoka Magica Soundtrack ← Soundtrack

Madoka Magica Character Songs ← Character Songs

Leave Connect, Magia, See You Tomorrow and And I'm Home intact. Make Musics page list all related songs and link to individual article.

Madoka Magica Theories ← Theories

Page rename.

Main Page should be repurposed for a main portal linking to each "main page" of each title in the series and some of flat page contents (e.g. Deciphering the runes, Translated Official Documents, etc.) News section will be leave intact (probably...) I still not sure what to do with Articles and Facts page. Suggestions welcome. --0x99 19:54, 16 March 2012 (UTC)