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*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2]] (February 28, 2011-April 25, 2011)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2]] (February 28, 2011-April 25, 2011)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3]] (April 25, 2011-March 14, 2012)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3]] (April 25, 2011-March 14, 2012)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4]] (March 15, 2012-April 27, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5]] (April 27, 2017–September 19, 2017)
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6]] (September 20, 2017–September 16, 2023)
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== Wiki reorganization ==
== Main Page cleanup ==
 
I've taken the liberty to clean up the Main Page styling a little. It's using the same layout as before, but with more consistent spacing/etc. so it looks a lot less cluttered. It's also now and a lot less broken when viewing on a mobile phone. Adding/removing columns should now be a lot less insane. I'm unsure what to do with the News/Wishlist links, though, since they haven't been updated for quite a long time. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 10:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 
: The News page could probably be updated by trawling the Main Page edit history, and maybe adding other bits if you can think of them. With some work it could even be arranged so that it's the ''source'' of the news on the main page (wrapping the lines that should be on the main page in <nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki> tags). ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 13:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 
:: Good idea. I'll find some time to do it. -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 
:: I did this, seems to work great. Now to populate 2015 to 2021... -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 12:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


Since we now have more contents than when we started a year ago, I think it's now the time to reorganize part of series into its own section. My suggestion:
::: That's slightly different from my thought, but it's probably easier to work with this way anyway. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


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== Main visual ==
Main page
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|- Madoka Magica
|  |- Madoka Magica Characters
|  |- Madoka Magica Episodes
|  |- Madoka Magica Theories
|  |- Madoka Magica Observations
|  |- Madoka Magica Soundtrack
|  `- ...
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|- Madoka Magica Portable
|  |- Madoka Magica Portable Characters
|  |- Madoka Magica Portable Story
|  `- ...
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|- Madoka Magica Mobage
|  `- ...
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|- Oriko Magica
|  |- Oriko Magica Characters
|  |- Oriko Magica Chapters
|  `- ...
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|- Kazumi Magica
|  |- Kazumi Magica Characters
|  |- Kazumi Magica Chapters
|  `- ...
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|- Deciphering the runes
|- Translated official documents
`- ...
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...with each section has a footer navbox template similar to the one in Wikipedia (like in [[wikipedia:Bakemonogatari#External_links]]). Any page that don't need its own section goes into flat page as usual (e.g. maybe the Mobage stuff). This would allow contents to expand more easily and make more room for future contents (Movie, possible spinoffs, etc.). Thoughts? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 10:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Would it be worthwhile to add the Scene0 main visual to the main page, too? I think a tabber would work for the desktop view, and on mobile there should be enough space to add it below Rising's. [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 13:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
:I would prefer a page for Translated Official Documents as well as the Translated Official Miscellaneous. It's fine to keep it under Products. There's overlap between the two anyways.  More than Runes, in any case. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 10:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
: I've made some adjustments, what do you think? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 13:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
::Hmm, do you mean section for each documents?
:: I'm not sure… I've been so used to seeing the name beside the key visual and now it's moved below it… I can't find any real complaints though… ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
<pre>Translated official documents
::: OK, let's try again. What about this one? -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 15:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
|- NewType 2999/12
:::: Oooh, I like it! Thanks [[User:EPF|EPF]] ([[User talk:EPF|talk]]) 15:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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::But isn't this already the way it works? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 11:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm asking for two links. One to [[Translated_Official_Documents|Translated Official Documents]] and another to [[Translated_Official_Documents_Miscellaneous|Translated  Official Miscellaneous]] to be posted at the same level. They can be kept under Products.  Right now, we only have a link to the first one. [[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 12:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Ah OK. Yes, we can do that. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:27, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Yes, thanks.  And it can be "Documents" and "Documents Other" or something to keep the title short. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::I added it as Official Materials in the sidebar for now, should rename the page during reorganization (so it doesn't looks like a subpage of Documents that way). --[[User:0x99|0x99]]


:If we agree on this, please feel free to start breaking [[Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable]] into multiple subsections (possibly omit the "Puella Magi" part, just [[Madoka Magica Portable]] to keep it short and easy to type). Ping me if you need anything (extensions, etc.) --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 18:36, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
==Not sure where to put this==


=== Gallery cleanup ===
So... I'm not sure why I'm not an autoconfirmed user, but I don't know where to put this question? -- [[User talk:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]]
:I think you may need to wait few more hours. Autoconfirm is set to 3 edits and 7 days from the date of registration. From what I see, you should get autoconfirmed today (Nov 7) at 20:18:23 (UTC) -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
::Alright, thank you! I didn't realize it was so exact. :) [[User:ReiAyanami|ReiAyanami]] ([[User talk:ReiAyanami|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Sorry for this, we used to have a lot of spam back in the day (who made a few edits to get autoconfirmed then proceeded on creating an SEO spam page). -- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 21:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


Also it might also make sense to cleanup gallery with this reorganization. Character pages are too image-heavy and we're nearly hitting 1TB transfer each month (we used around ~800GB of bandwidth last month). Any input on how to deal with this is always welcome (i.e. what to delete and what to keep). --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 15:56, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
== Future of Fanworks ==
:I'm glad you're addressing it. I've felt for a while now too many pages have excessive pics in the galleries. I would strongly suggest deleting most of the ones that's easily obtainable from another static source like pixiv, danbooru, etc. unless there's a compelling reason for it. For example, we don't need a dozen pics of Homura with weapons. Just a couple or few will make that point. There's also lots of screenshots that are posted that don't really seem to have a point. We have ten of them in Homura's gallery of just different expressions. Why? If screenshots are posted, they should illustrate a point. For example, I might include three of hers with Moemura, timelooping Homura and ribbon Homura to show contrast in changing expression. People should really think about what they post and why, not just post for the sake of it. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
::What about those 2ch/2chan photoshopped images of magazine illustrations? Should we keep it or delete them also? --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 16:11, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Maybe post one of each illustration, and put the rest in a zip for download. Not sure why, but they seem really popular. I get the same download counts for them as I do doujins. Also, maybe get more selective about gifs as well.  I doubt we need as many as we have. Keep the best ones and provide the rest in zips. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 16:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Hmm, maybe we could make a "photoshopped images of official illustrations" section and dump all of them to it in a organized manner. (Thumbnail of original, then list photoshopped images, and maybe the first time they appeared, etc.) Finding sources would be very hard though. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 16:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::It might be a good idea to have image gallery pages for a bunch of different categories. If it's just "don't post more than necessary" we'd have to constantly police people who think posting images cleans their soul gems, but if there's gallery pages they can be directed over there and have fun without filling up high traffic pages. So at the bottom of Homura's page there'd be a text link to Gallery/Homura. [[User:KM|KM]] 20:48, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::Ultimately, that would not resolve the image-heavy pages/1TB data transfer issue 0x99 is talking about. All you're doing is moving pics to a new page, and it's only a matter of time before they become extremely image-heavy.  In fact, dedicating blank pages to image galleries would probably only encourage more image postings. A certain amount of self-restraint makes sense. There's 4chan and other image boards for that purpose, no need to treat the wiki like one. I think the merchandise page could use a look through as well. Many of the pics taken of say a figma from various angles isn't necessary, since the link to purchase it displays all those pics. It's redundant and that page is becoming very long, as new things are constantly being added. --[[User:Randomanon|randomanon]] 21:03, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Isn't the data transfer the result of lots of images being on pages that are getting heavy traffic for the non-image content? If the gallery gets a tiny fraction of the views the character pages get, bandwidth use would drop. Then again, the image board could be used as a gallery. As for merchandise, along with fanworks, those are really long to scroll through, and could be split up by category, with each main page being an overview/index. Are there stats on what percentage of bandwidth use is coming from each section? [[User:KM|KM]] 21:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Unfortunately there's no detailed stats available. Until the recent CloudFront migration, we stored images on a bulk hosting to reduce bandwidth costs (which only has total bandwidth usage available). It works fine until we exceed the 600GB/month cap. Then I migrated to CloudFlare which cache image files and only report total bandwidth usage. I'm not sure if CF has any kind of bandwidth caps, but cleanup any unused or unnecessary images is always better in a long run (backup cost, and such.)
::::::::I think posting non-informative image dump in something like Walpurgischan might be a better idea, since I can implement long caching there without having to worry about expiration (since there's no file versioning) and we can also avoid polluting wiki namespace that way. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 00:22, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
=== "Madoka Magica" reorganization plan ===


In case nobody disagree with this proposal, I'll made a following changes:
'''(This was originally on my talk page but I have moved it here as it concerns the whole wiki.)''' While not an official Wiki, this is a Wiki for official content. Outside of personal OC's on the user's pages, is there a reason to include fanworks on the wiki? Fan roleplays have long since died, and many games are likely dead due to flash player shutting down. Is there a reason to have them? [[User:Amaterasu|Amaterasu]] ([[User talk:Amaterasu|talk]]) 17:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
:I think it's best to keep what we have now as an archive rather than remove it since they were a part of the fanbase during the early days. We keep [[Poorfag]]'s page up for a reason since it was a meme thing and it doesn't interfere with official pages much like OCs on our user pages. As long as they're kept separate from the official stuff, I think it's ok. I believe you can still play the games even though flash player shut down, I remember there being a big project to archive and make old flash games playable when the shut down was initially announced. -[[User:The Witch&#39;s House|The Witch&#39;s House]] ([[User talk:The Witch&#39;s House|talk]]) 02:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
::I'm also very much agree with this. For a more early meme and such we could make a banner that this was part of the community in the early days and are no longer updated. For ongoing content such as [[Fanworks]] I think the list of games/media/crossover are still worth keeping (and possibly updating). --- [[User:0x99|0x99]] ([[User talk:0x99|talk]]) 06:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)


;[[Madoka Magica]] ← [[Episodes]]
== GunsGirlZ Crossover ==
:Move [[Episodes]] page and add few data related to the series such as [[Main Page#Plot|Plot]] from [[Main Page]]. This page will have similar layout to the current [[Main Page]] but only with Madoka Magica (series) specific data and a link to each page in its section (Characters, direct link to episodes, rune translations, etc.)


;[[Madoka Magica Characters]] ← [[Characters]]
So I have been just looking around the wiki, and I stumbled across the crossover page! I read it, expecting it to have the GGZ collab in it... but it wasn't there? I was wondering if it just hadn't been added yet, or if theres a reason that it hasn't been! The GGZ collab is probably my favorite PMMM collab, with the battle cats coming in second :P
:Either move or migrate [[Characters]] page but without characters data of other series in the franchise. Initially there should be no layout change.
         
[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]]) 17:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)♥
;[[Madoka Magica Episode 1: As If We Met in a Dream...]] ← [[Episode 1]]
:Honestly it just hasnt been updated. you're more than welcome to add the info if you'd like (I dont play it unfortunately but it looked cute!)[[User:Sondenise|Sondenise]] ([[User talk:Sondenise|talk]]) 21:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
;[[Madoka Magica Episode 2: That Sounds Wonderful]] ← [[Episode 2]]
;[[Madoka Magica Episode 3: I'm Not Afraid of Anything Anymore]] ← [[Episode 3]]
;[[Madoka Magica Episode 4: Both Miracles and Magic Exist]] ← [[Episode 4]]
;[[Madoka Magica Episode 5: There's No Way I'd Regret This]] ← [[Episode 5]]
;[[Madoka Magica Episode 6: This Just Isn't Right]] ← [[Episode 6]]
;[[Madoka Magica Episode 7: Can You Face Your True Feelings?]] ← [[Episode 7]]
;[[Madoka Magica Episode 8: I'm Such a Fool]] ← [[Episode 8]]
;[[Madoka Magica Episode 9: I'll Never Allow That]] ← [[Episode 9]]
;[[Madoka Magica Episode 10: I Won't Depend on Anyone Anymore]] ← [[Episode 10]]
;[[Madoka Magica Episode 11: The Only Signpost Remaining]] ← [[Episode 11]]
;[[Madoka Magica Episode 12: My Best Friend]] ← [[Episode 12]]
:Simple page rename will do.


;[[Madoka Magica Products]] ← [[Products]]
::I can't see anything about the crossover on the page you linked to. You should link not to the other wiki's main page but to a page actually talking about the crossover. Otherwise there's no point in adding the link at all. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 02:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
;[[Madoka Magica Merchandise]] ← [[Merchandise]]
:Page rename. Remove Kazumi and Oriko stuff from [[Products]] page.


;[[Madoka Magica Music]]
;[[Madoka Magica Soundtrack]] ← [[Soundtrack]]
;[[Madoka Magica Character Songs]] ← [[Character Songs]]
:Leave [[Connect]], [[Magia]], [[See You Tomorrow]] and [[And I'm Home]] intact. Make [[Madoka Magica Music|Music]] page list all related songs and link to individual article.


;[[Madoka Magica Theories]] ← [[Theories]]
Oh, sorry about that. The link broke... Sadly since the computer I use is limited by my school I can't fix the link,, I'm sorry haha
:Page rename.
[[User:MadoLily|madolily .+*]] ([[User talk:MadoLily|talk]])♥


[[Main Page]] should be repurposed for a main portal linking to each "main page" of each title in the series and some of flat page contents (e.g. [[Deciphering the runes]], [[Translated Official Documents]], etc.) News section will be leave intact (probably...) I still not sure what to do with [[Articles]] and [[Facts and Observations]] page. Suggestions welcome. --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 19:54, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
:Looks like someone else fixed it for you, so it's okay. ~ [[User:Celtic Minstrel|Celtic Minstrel]] ([[User talk:Celtic Minstrel|talk]]) 17:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
:Shouldn't it be "Music" instead of "Musics"? There is no plural form, as far as I know. Same goes for "Merchandise". --[[User:Knon|Knon]] 05:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
::Fixed! --[[User:0x99|0x99]] 12:11, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 17:33, 26 March 2024

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Previous discussions are archived at:

Main Page cleanup

I've taken the liberty to clean up the Main Page styling a little. It's using the same layout as before, but with more consistent spacing/etc. so it looks a lot less cluttered. It's also now and a lot less broken when viewing on a mobile phone. Adding/removing columns should now be a lot less insane. I'm unsure what to do with the News/Wishlist links, though, since they haven't been updated for quite a long time. -- 0x99 (talk) 10:13, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The News page could probably be updated by trawling the Main Page edit history, and maybe adding other bits if you can think of them. With some work it could even be arranged so that it's the source of the news on the main page (wrapping the lines that should be on the main page in <onlyinclude> tags). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 13:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Good idea. I'll find some time to do it. -- 0x99 (talk) 13:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
I did this, seems to work great. Now to populate 2015 to 2021... -- 0x99 (talk) 12:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
That's slightly different from my thought, but it's probably easier to work with this way anyway. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Main visual

Would it be worthwhile to add the Scene0 main visual to the main page, too? I think a tabber would work for the desktop view, and on mobile there should be enough space to add it below Rising's. EPF (talk) 13:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

I've made some adjustments, what do you think? -- 0x99 (talk) 13:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure… I've been so used to seeing the name beside the key visual and now it's moved below it… I can't find any real complaints though… ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
OK, let's try again. What about this one? -- 0x99 (talk) 15:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Oooh, I like it! Thanks EPF (talk) 15:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Not sure where to put this

So... I'm not sure why I'm not an autoconfirmed user, but I don't know where to put this question? -- ReiAyanami

I think you may need to wait few more hours. Autoconfirm is set to 3 edits and 7 days from the date of registration. From what I see, you should get autoconfirmed today (Nov 7) at 20:18:23 (UTC) -- 0x99 (talk) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Alright, thank you! I didn't realize it was so exact. :) ReiAyanami (talk) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for this, we used to have a lot of spam back in the day (who made a few edits to get autoconfirmed then proceeded on creating an SEO spam page). -- 0x99 (talk) 21:07, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Future of Fanworks

(This was originally on my talk page but I have moved it here as it concerns the whole wiki.) While not an official Wiki, this is a Wiki for official content. Outside of personal OC's on the user's pages, is there a reason to include fanworks on the wiki? Fan roleplays have long since died, and many games are likely dead due to flash player shutting down. Is there a reason to have them? Amaterasu (talk) 17:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I think it's best to keep what we have now as an archive rather than remove it since they were a part of the fanbase during the early days. We keep Poorfag's page up for a reason since it was a meme thing and it doesn't interfere with official pages much like OCs on our user pages. As long as they're kept separate from the official stuff, I think it's ok. I believe you can still play the games even though flash player shut down, I remember there being a big project to archive and make old flash games playable when the shut down was initially announced. -The Witch's House (talk) 02:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
I'm also very much agree with this. For a more early meme and such we could make a banner that this was part of the community in the early days and are no longer updated. For ongoing content such as Fanworks I think the list of games/media/crossover are still worth keeping (and possibly updating). --- 0x99 (talk) 06:39, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

GunsGirlZ Crossover

So I have been just looking around the wiki, and I stumbled across the crossover page! I read it, expecting it to have the GGZ collab in it... but it wasn't there? I was wondering if it just hadn't been added yet, or if theres a reason that it hasn't been! The GGZ collab is probably my favorite PMMM collab, with the battle cats coming in second :P

madolily .+* (talk) 17:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)♥

Honestly it just hasnt been updated. you're more than welcome to add the info if you'd like (I dont play it unfortunately but it looked cute!)Sondenise (talk) 21:56, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
I can't see anything about the crossover on the page you linked to. You should link not to the other wiki's main page but to a page actually talking about the crossover. Otherwise there's no point in adding the link at all. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:18, 23 March 2024 (UTC)


Oh, sorry about that. The link broke... Sadly since the computer I use is limited by my school I can't fix the link,, I'm sorry haha madolily .+* (talk)♥

Looks like someone else fixed it for you, so it's okay. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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