Puella Magi Wiki talk:Wiki Cleanup 2025/Article formatting
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Re: the character table / infobox...
I really think it makes more sense for information like "voice actor" or "character designer" to be put off to the side in a less conspicuous place, while information like "age" or "date of birth" or "school" is placed front and centre. So I think it might be a tough sell to argue for something that merges both those sets of information into a single table.
My main concern about placing the latter set of information in the infobox is the fact that some pages are dual characters. The existing table is set up to handle multiple characters in one table, but the infobox is decidedly not.
Re: etymology
For this one, I'd say we just need to decide where it goes. It doesn't necessarily need to be an entire section of its own, though I think there may be a few characters where the etymology section could actually be a paragraph or two.
This suggestion:
since an etymology section would be short, maybe at the very end somewhere? after trivia but before the notes.
...seems quite reasonable.
Re: powers and abilities
I'm not sure I agree with this statement:
a lot of characters don't have powers that can be extensively written about.
I think it should be possible to get at least one paragraph for every character. For characters that appear in anime or manga, literally anything magic-looking that they're ever depicted doing could be mentioned. For characters that appear only in games, the section could verbally describe their various skills in the games. Of course, many characters appear in both interactive and non-interactive media, so in that case both may apply.
There is one unfortunate point in that we also have the Magic/Personal Abilities pages that duplicates this info. It would definitely be great if we could find a way to have one place transclude the other, rather than writing it all out twice. Though, I'm not entirely certain that that's a good idea – there may be reason to want it formatted differently in the two places.
~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 19:14, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
I think some ideas are good and should be used but others seem iffy to me.
The Trivia section appearing under Gallery might cause chaos, since a lot of characters don't actually have their own galleries. I also fully agree with the History section, I think it should exist instead of the Appearances section all Record characters have.
The main argument - the Infobox - I'm kinda split in between. First of all I really like the JP name appearing under the English one, its just kinda stylish. I think the extra info could go in the Infobox under the condition that its grouped in collapsible boxes like fandom has it, and maybe even styled more? I kinda agree with the Character Info Table being kinda ugly, but the whole wiki is kinda bland (I have no idea how to even style it so Im not gonna suggest anything).
As for the dual character pages problem, I'd have to understand how the character variants in Record are planned to be treated first.
I think we should handle the game info for Magia Record in the same way as we're now handling it for Magia Exedra
and this would merge all non-dual variant characters into their base character page
Would the Duo pages stay as they are? If we do get rid of the non-duo pages they would look out of place in my opinion.
About the Memoria/Portraits they could actually go into Game Info, but the tables would most likely have to be collapsed, because them being at the bottom of the page doesn't create much problems, while appearing in the middle would. (Forgot to add that I agree with Game Info being lower, it makes sense for it to be higher in pages that describe units but this is a very general wiki, so it makes more sense to treat them like characters over units anytime.)
Oh yeah I also condone personal magic being on the character's page a lot more than on a Magic/Personal Abilities page, I don't really even understand why they exist.
- TheresaFrog421 (talk) 19:50, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
re; character table/infobox --
you have a point with the dual units. unless anyone has any suggestions, i'll try to brainstorm on any ideas that could "clean up" the page layout while also being able to accommodate 2+ characters.
re; powers and abilities --
i'm also going to have to vote against just pulling directly from Magic/Personal Abilities -- i've taken a peek at those pages, and even just skimming the promised blood section (promised blood is where most of my character knowledge lies), i see a lot of personal speculation/extrapolations, many of which are not correct or at least not at all hinted toward in canon information. there's also the fact that there is typically a pretty clear gameplay/canon divide for a lot of magireco units, where something their in-game unit is depicted as doing may not necessarily be a canonical ability and was instead added more to spice up gameplay visuals -- off the top of my head, this ranges from something as minor as yuna's attacks having a flourish of "storm magic" (something that i personally headcanon to be true) to as extreme as asahi being able to zip around in the air in her magia (an ability that is never once mentioned/referenced/shown in any story and seems to just have been added to make asahi's attacks look more interesting than just a girl shooting a musket).
for the record, with this, i'm mostly talking about magia record characters -- magireco is where i'm most knowledgeable about the franchise and yet is also where there aren't very many visual depictions of magic to go off of. for the franchise's characters overall, i think a powers/abilities section would be very useful, and i think especially for characters like the quintet, would end up being fairly filled out. but when i consider magia record, i'm not sure how to justify it getting its own section rather than simply a subsection perhaps somewhere under "personality and traits". since yuna is my mockup character, for yuna's canonical, in-story magic that we see her use, i can think of the typical magical girl abilities (strength, soul gem stuff, etc.) and her personal "target redirection" -- her "storm magic" depicted in thunderbolt burial is never shown in the story, and though the "personal abilities" page lists off "flame resistance", this is not actually ever mentioned or shown as being something that yuna is capable of and seems to be a misinterpretation of a scene from crimson resolve.
to be clear, i think the potentially non-story-canon abilities depicted in gameplay should be noted on character pages, but since quite a bit of it is only ever shown in a single animation and then never again, it would be hard to spin more than a sentence or two about it, which is what makes me hesitant to want to dedicate a whole standalone section to p&a, at least on the magireco pages.
re; trivia/gallery --
i was thinking that each character would hopefully get their own gallery section, with the "gallery" heading simply linking to the standalone page. i find separate gallery pages to be much more organized and look much cleaner than for a character's gallery to be pasted in its entirety onto the main page.
- Onitora (talk) 20:01, 14 October 2025 (UTC)
Re: Location of Trivia section
This doesn't seem like it would be an issue for most characters, as the gallery will just be a link, but for minor characters who only have a very small inline gallery… it's hard to say.
Re: Dual Unit Pages
I'm not sure how best to handle dual pages, to be honest. I do think it makes sense for them to exist. It's kinda tough to fit them into any system…
Other than the dual pages, my personal opinion is that it would be best to get rid of the separate "in Magia Record" and "in Magia Exedra" pages and have just one page for each character. So, the variants would all be merged into that character's page as well.
For dual units, one possible solution would be to transclude the game data for them into the page of both (or all three of) the involved units. However, that sounds like it could get pretty complicated, so I'm not sure that's a good solution. It also implies the dual unit has no dedicated page beyond just the stats and stuff, though I don't know if that's a bad thing.
- Re: Powers & Abilities
Broadly speaking, I agree with TheresaFrog on this point and at least partly disagree with Onitora.
i'm also going to have to vote against just pulling directly from Magic/Personal Abilities -- i've taken a peek at those pages, and even just skimming the promised blood section (promised blood is where most of my character knowledge lies), i see a lot of personal speculation/extrapolations, many of which are not correct or at least not at all hinted toward in canon information.
First of all, putting speculations in the powers and abilities section seems fair game to me, though of course there should be a good enough reason to back up any speculation (wild guessing at random has no place).
there's also the fact that there is typically a pretty clear gameplay/canon divide for a lot of magireco units, where something their in-game unit is depicted as doing may not necessarily be a canonical ability and was instead added more to spice up gameplay visuals -- off the top of my head, this ranges from something as minor as yuna's attacks having a flourish of "storm magic" (something that i personally headcanon to be true) to as extreme as asahi being able to zip around in the air in her magia (an ability that is never once mentioned/referenced/shown in any story and seems to just have been added to make asahi's attacks look more interesting than just a girl shooting a musket).
I strongly disagree on the existence of a "pretty clear" gameplay/canon divide. There definitely is such a divide, but I would say it's very blurry.
Considering your two examples, I would suggest that the Asahi case is more likely just a "visual flair", whereas the Yuna case can reasonably be interpreted as soft evidence that she may have lightning magic or whatever it is that it's depicting. This is because it's using very limited animation, so it's difficult to argue that the movement of the sprite means anything; on the other hand, the choice of particle effect seems like it should be much more meaningful.
In general, I would say that every special attack (the Magia moves in Magia Record, Special Attacks in Magia Exedra) should be considered to be roughly representative of their canon abilities. There may be some simplifications or some extra visual flair, but it's not depicting something they're actually unable to do in canon. I would also consider their other game skills (connect and blast in Magia Record; Battle Skill in Magia Exedra; and basic attacks in both) to be at least soft canon, as long as it doesn't directly contradict anything else. I would also consider that the gameplay effects of those skills (for example, the afflictions cured or inflicted) to be accurate to their abilities, but it's difficult to derive facts about their abilities from this – the afflictions are highly-abstracted, after all. A Bind affliction could represent possibly hundreds of disparate types of canon abilities, from the obvious like ribbons or vines that restrain, to less obvious skills such as, say, stopping the enemy's movement via temporal dilation. (I'm not saying the latter exists anywhere, but I would consider it to be a valid interpretation of a Bind affliction. Though personally, I think it fits for Yuzuki Rion, but I don't think there's any hard proof.)
for the franchise's characters overall, i think a powers/abilities section would be very useful, and i think especially for characters like the quintet, would end up being fairly filled out. but when i consider magia record, i'm not sure how to justify it getting its own section rather than simply a subsection perhaps somewhere under "personality and traits". since yuna is my mockup character, for yuna's canonical, in-story magic that we see her use, i can think of the typical magical girl abilities (strength, soul gem stuff, etc.) and her personal "target redirection" -- her "storm magic" depicted in thunderbolt burial is never shown in the story, and though the "personal abilities" page lists off "flame resistance", this is not actually ever mentioned or shown as being something that yuna is capable of and seems to be a misinterpretation of a scene from crimson resolve.
And then this too I have to disagree with. I don't think we should treat Magia Record characters so dramatically different from the Holy Quintet. If the Holy Quintet can have a Powers and Abilities section, then surely every character can have one – even if it's only two sentences on some of the more minor side characters in Magia Record.
~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 02:05, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
(going a bit out of order here; bear with me)
re; powers and abilities --
And then this too I have to disagree with. I don't think we should treat Magia Record characters so dramatically different from the Holy Quintet. If the Holy Quintet can have a Powers and Abilities section, then surely every character can have one – even if it's only two sentences on some of the more minor side characters in Magia Record.
to clarify, i did mean that i think a powers and abilities section would be useful for all (magical girl) characters -- just that for some characters it may look best as a subsection (ie "personality and traits" --> "powers and abilities") rather than having being its own distinct section. characters with just a few sentences would get a subsection and then characters with more information would have a "main" powers and abilities section, probably beneath (but not part of) "personality and traits". pages can have their subsections promoted to "main" section as needed, which i don't think would be too difficult.
First of all, putting speculations in the powers and abilities section seems fair game to me, though of course there should be a good enough reason to back up any speculation (wild guessing at random has no place)
speculation is certainly useful and is by far the lifeblood of this fandom, but imo is best restricted to where there is a clear disclaimer that it isn't necessarily canonical information. speculation is not bad, but i don't think it has any place being mixed in with confirmed canonical information, which is what wikis are to document. when it comes to Magic/Personal_Abilities/Magia_Record_Promised_Blood_Girls specifically, i should say it's less "speculation" and more "misunderstandings (?) passed off as canon fact" -- but this discussion isn't about that page so i'll stop there. my point is that i disagree that personal speculation has any place on a character's canonical page -- wikis are for documenting canonical, confirmed-by-the-text information, and i've noticed a lot of personal headcanons/speculation/what have you passed off as canonical truth on multiple pages. given this wiki's history, i think there may be some use in setting up sub-pages (?) (still not coding-smart so this may not be the actual term for them; forgive me) dedicated to character/world/etc speculation, but when it comes to a canonical page, i don't think speculation should be allowed. that's all i'm trying to get at.
I strongly disagree on the existence of a "pretty clear" gameplay/canon divide. There definitely is such a divide, but I would say it's very blurry.
this is my bad for phrasing things awkwardly/incorrectly here -- there is a clear gameplay divide to me. i do agree with you that the divide is overall rather blurry, which is why i think that, in a character's powers and abilities section, it would be wise to note when what's being described is something that's shown up in the story or is simply something that is shown in a unit animation -- this would include all of the "magic" while also not taking a firm stance in an ability being canonical or not. for example, even though i don't think asahi is able to fly like she's shown doing in her magia, i think it would be wise to include such information on her page with the caveat that it's something we only see her do in a gameplay animation and not something she's ever shown doing in the story. the viewer can come to canon/noncanon conclusions on their own; that's not for the wiki to do.
re; trivia location --
for characters with very small galleries, i think those images could just be put onto the page beneath trivia and above notes. that shouldn't clog things up too much.
- Onitora (talk) 02:53, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
I don't think we should treat Magia Record characters so dramatically different from the Holy Quintet.
This is what we should go after. A GIANT problem with this wiki is inconsistency, I mean just look at any of the newer character pages and Madoka Kaname, she has sections we didnt give to other characters such as Design or Personality, so I will always say that we need to make these pages actually consistent. That's why I also agree with Celtic on the powers section, no point in making it into a subsection, even if it looks bare. The same goes for Trivia being above the gallery for some and below for others.
I agree that we could have a Personality section for each character, but would what Appearance be? We have a Summary section thats very random on Magireco pages, it has the description of the character, their doppel description and then side story, which all is effectively game info for Magia Record. Would appearance be about that or about their design?
I believe that before we do these changes, we should start doing the game unit fixes Celtic mentioned. I still don't fully understand them but they would clean the pages up a lot. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 14:18, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
Appearance would obviously be a textual description of the character, perhaps supplemented by images in some cases. It seems somewhat redundant when we do have images, but, well… I think there would definitely be people who find it useful if it exists. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 14:33, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
yes, i agree that page inconsistency is an issue on this wiki. however, i don’t agree that minor differences in section/subsection placement counts as ‘treat[ing] magia record characters so dramatically different from the holy quintet’. i don’t think the quintet should be held up as what the average character page on this wiki (or any wiki) should look like — the truth of the matter is that, at this point in the franchise, the quintet are so bloated with in-universe and out-of-universe information compared to the other characters that their pages are going to have to be a bit different to accommodate that. i think that powers and abilities would look best on non-quintet pages as a subsection; non-quintet characters are going to have much shorter p&a information, and to make it a whole section instead of a sub-area beneath personality and traits would look very awkward at such a prominent placement at the top of the page. aside from that, yes, i think it ultimately makes sense for pages to have their layouts roughly standardized for organization purposes.
(also, adding this, since i'd typed this up earlier and forgot; i've seen plenty of wikis that have character pages with a roughly standardized layout, but also with some wiggle room depending on the specific character/information available. even wikis like bulbapedia will add, take out, or rearrange entire sections for a character's page if it makes sense to do so. so, i don't think that quintet/non-quintet/etc pages need to be held to exactly the same standards, given the discrepancy in information available for the quintet and the other characters in this franchise -- in this case i think it's best if some adjustments were made just to keep the pages looking nice, since readability is going to be important here).
as for what each section would include, thank you for making me realize i haven’t explained. so, just so we’re all on the same page --
- 1. Appearance
- 1a. Magical Girl; details of the character's physical appearance. celtic minstrel noted that it seemed redundant when there are images, but i think it's important to help set up the rest of the article (most wikis, even nonfiction wikis like wikipedia, utilize descriptions even if there are images supplementing the rest of the article), as well as, as noted, to be potentially helpful for various reasons.
- 1b. Doppel; details of the character's doppel's physical appearance. largely only relevant to magireco pages.
- 2. Personality and Traits; a description of the magical girl's canonical characterization.
- 2b. Powers and Abilities; [not part of original mockup] a description of the magical girl's canonical magical abilities.
- 3. History; the character's story appearances and backstory in chronological order, broken up into subsections (ie 'crimson resolve' or 'blood(y) tragedy' for yuna's experience in cr). not an omniscient summary of various events/stories/etc featuring said character like the current side story sections.
- 4. [misc game section]; no idea what to title this one, but a section (or two) dedicated to game information, or a link to a subpage with game information, like stats, magia name, discs, etc.
- 5. Gallery; link to a character's gallery, or potentially an on-page gallery if it's small enough.
- 6. Trivia; confirmed/canonical factoids that do not otherwise fit into the article and are not vital to understanding of the character. not a section for speculation or headcanon. i emphasize this because i think a lot of editors on this wiki misunderstand what a trivia section is for; i find that inkipedia's policy article explains it well.
- 7. Etymology; [not part of original mockup] information about the character's human/doppel name; short and sweet.
- 8. Notes; additional information/elaboration for information presented in the article; footnotes. may not be necessary for most pages.
- 9. References; basically a bibliography. i think this wiki would significantly improve in quality if information was required to have a source attached; there have been numerous false magia record character rumors that can be directly traced back to unsourced misinformation being posted on this wiki as fact and nobody taking it down because they've just assumed it to be true.
overall, the placement of powers and abilities isn't really a hill i'm willing to die on. i think it'd be best for layout/readability if it were handled differently depending on the amount of information available, but i am only one person. even if i have my personal gripes, as long as this layout is roughly followed, at least for the magia record pages, i can't complain.
- Onitora (talk) 18:17, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
Hmm. I think the current side story sections could maybe be split to a separate page, like the Exedra side stories? So then each page has its own story. In some cases, various side stories lead directly into each other, so those ones could even be merged into one page for the entire flow, which could be even better since you can just read the entire sequence of events all at once. Examples of this are seen with Nanaka's and Hazuki's teams and the Tokime trio; I don't remember the exact details.
For me, I think Notes and References could be merged most of the time – many of those references would be in footnotes anyway, wouldn't they? It could be a References section that dumps the footnotes and then maybe adds some links, like the current See Also sections. It's not that I'm opposed to separating them out, though…
I had one thought about the Memoria Card or Portrait lists – do they go in part 4 or part 5? I added them to the Gallery on Café Récompense, after all, but they're not in the gallery section in any of the character pages.
Regarding 1a and 1b – I think we don't need separate subsections for girls who don't have a doppel. Just put the content of 1a directly in 1.
I'm not entirely sold on the section title of History. Another option is Backstory, but that also has problems…
I think we still need to settle on the role of the big info table and/or the infobox. As I mentioned before the conversation was shifted over here, I think OOC and IC information should be kept separate, so I'm not really sold on dumping both into the infobox…
~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:02, 18 October 2025 (UTC)
if i can be totally honest, i don't see the need to compile summaries of stories on the wiki. if people want to read an event's story, they can...go read the event. summaries tend to give people incorrect ideas and help them to draw incorrect conclusions, anyway -- like this wiki, i've found a lot of misinformation in the english fandom stems from people reading summaries (both on this wiki and on reddit) instead of just reading stories for themselves. i'm personally going to have to vote against having dedicated "story" pages at all. i see no reason for it. this is a separate thing than having a brief rundown of a character's story involvement -- and only that character's involvement -- on that character's page in the "history" section. editing to clarify; i think event pages should be less about compiling "here's every millisecond of this event story" and more about a nice harmony of both gameplay and story. an event's page could have a little intro blurb at the top, then a quick story synopsis (4, maybe 5 medium-long paragraphs of the primary story beats; not like the long-winded reddit "summaries" created after using mtl to read a story the day it drops), then gameplay information (currency? shop? quest nodes? etc.), then maybe the text transcripts if they fit. make the pages informational and not just mtl summaries from 4chan and reddit.
"notes" would be less about listing off where information comes from and more about clarifying information in the main part of the article. like i said, think about the footnotes in a nonfiction book. to use bulbapedia as an example, their page for the character kieran from pokemon scarlet/violet has a single note regarding his listed age. it is not a source, but it clarifies that the information comes only from the french version of the game and that the information is not present in other translations of the game. that information would not be present in a "references" section, which would simply be a bibliography.
memoria cards -- with no information attached -- would go into the gallery. a character's personal memoria could go into their gameplay section, as that is relevant to gameplay. i have no preference either way on if non-personal memoria that still features the character in some capacity also goes into the gameplay section.
yes, obviously characters without doppels will not have divided subsections to facilitate a doppel.
i think "history" works just fine. it is a compilation of the character's history in the game; "backstory" would only cover things before the main story.
my opinion has not changed about the information table. i still think they should be merged. while the table is useful, i find it, in no uncertain terms, very ugly, and it breaks up the flow of the page. i see no issue in merging ic/ooc information like how it is done on bulbapedia character tables, as i mentioned previously.
- Onitora (talk) 22:44, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
Text transcripts, if present, should be on a separate page for sure. I wouldn't say we need them, but EPF is going to great lengths to make them, so whatever! I don't think gameplay information like quest nodes and the like is super important, but I also wouldn't be opposed to adding that (the Magia Record fandom wiki has all that information, I believe). It's certainly true that the summaries could be compressed a lot more. I'm still in favour of keeping the big table and separating IC from OOC info. It may be partly because I put a lot of work into getting that table working, but I do question combining the two categories of info into one place. Maybe I could change my mind if I see a working example, I dunno. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 01:11, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
i would be willing to help create new summaries for different events whenever those pages are reworked. my current priority is the character pages, though. just to clarify, when i mention synopsis/gameplay/transcripts, i mean for pages separate from the character pages, not on the character pages. these would clutter up the character pages.
as for the infobox, i think currently my favorite example of how it's done would be bulbapedia, as i mentioned -- here is an example. i think it looks sleek while also merging both ic and ooc information, which helps to clean up the rest of the page. it's not something that's very obvious, but the way that the various pieces of information are visually grouped together (ie, age/gender/eye color/hair color have their own section) helps to keep things organized within the box. we don't have to copy this exactly, but i think something inspired by it, at the very least, would look very nice.
- Onitora (talk) 01:32, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
The reason I go for the transcripts is - they're pretty close to objective. A summary or a synopsis inherently will have a third party's interpretation and potential misremembering of the events. Being able to point at an exact quote is tremendously helpful in maintaining objectivity. Another benefit is searchability - the wiki will never have a synopsis on every topic a person could be interested in, some stuff is really niche trivia. Yet trivia that is useful nevertheless. Being able to search through the quotes yourself makes it much easier. It's also great if you remember something was stated, but have no idea where. This is also why I'm postulating on adding the AdvancedSearch extension. This is also data preservation - gachas are live-service games doomed to disappear one day, having at least a transcript saved means a story's less likely to become lost media EPF (talk) 02:53, 30 October 2025 (UTC)
Wait so are we planning to get rid of the Side and Costume stories' summaries and just leave a link to a transcript? It would actually kinda help with the game section's build.
For the Memoria and Portraits going into galleries, even though I really like the way we have them now... Yeah it makes more sense for them to be in galleries instead, and just leave the personal/unique ones in the game section. I want to ask though, would we keep the Memoria/Portraits like we have them now (showing all the info) or turn them into regular gallery sections?
Also Celtic, I have an attempt at recreating Onitora's idea for the infobox on my Sandbox page, specifically for Shizuka, its not a template though. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 12:36, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
(i apologize for my silence; i am very busy at the moment and wiki work isn't my highest priority)
my idea was less that we'll be getting rid of pages and more that the event/side story/etc pages will be transcripts instead of somebody else's interpretation of events. especially since this wiki does not always source its summaries from reliable sources, many summaries have been pasted onto the wiki without permission/credit, and i know somebody personally who threw random misinformation into one of their summaries because they knew the wiki was putting their work up without credit and without fact-checking. like epf says, transcripts are as close to objective as you can get without reading the event story for yourself as well as a form of data preservation, and as i mentioned previously, these poorly-written summaries have been the source of multiple incorrect rumors/misinformation in the english fandom.
for personal memoria in the game section, those would have stats/descriptions/etc.; for memoria in the character's gallery, i think those are best off without that information attached. of course, this creates a problem for what to do about non-personal memoria -- the fandom wiki hosts all the memoria information that anybody could ever need, so i don't think it's critically important that we do the same, but i'm not against the idea of individual pages for every memoria card, either.
i think that mockup looks wonderful. i think it would certainly tidy up the character pages. thank you for your hard work!
editing to add; this is relevant more to the wiki as a whole and not juts to character page layouts, but i think i should bring it up. a while ago, a discussion in the magia union translations discord server came up about the idea of uncredited work on the wiki. going forward (and retroactively), i think it would be wise to edit various templates to include a credits section. off the top of my head, i know i've done some witch/kimochi translations that i've uploaded to the wiki that have gone entirely uncredited unless somebody were to dig around in the page history, and i know multiple others on the mut project would appreciate credit for their work if/when it is ever used on this wiki (which, if we're to include transcripts, will be inevitable). Onitora (talk) 23:16, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
Personally, I think the best way to properly credit people would be to ask each person to personally post their work so that their name is attached to the edit in the log. But I understand that that's not going to happen every time, so when it doesn't we should certainly make sure that credit is properly given for stuff that deserves it (chiefly translations; there are likely other things too, but I think that's the biggest one). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:52, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Also, regarding the mockup, I would recommend transferring it to the main page of this page: here. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 23:56, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
i've been editing in my own translations; i don't think the edit log is a good way to track translation/etc. credits. most translators do not have wiki accounts (i do, and i can think of two others, but they are not active users) and most people are not going to be checking the edit logs for translation credits. the edit log will make crediting even less clear if it's on a page that is edited regularly. while i do have my own account and have my translations attached to my name in the wiki's edit log, i'd rather have more clear credit, and that's something i've seen expressed by other users as well, especially since quite a few mut translations have more than one person working on them -- antimony and bst tend to team up for translations rather than doing solo projects, the arc 2 main story chapters all have multiple users pitching in to help, and events like ashen revolution had larger teams working on them for one reason or another; sometimes a story gets stuck in purgatory and will then have tons of credits on it because it keeps changing hands. a single person editing the page and the edit log being their credit will simply not work in most cases. Onitora (talk) 01:13, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
I don't know if everyone would be okay with it, but can we restructure the way Character pages are set up when they have multiple appearances? Let's take Sayaka for example. Instead of having these pages for her:
- Sayaka Miki
- Sayaka Miki in Magia Record
- Sayaka Miki (scene 0 ver.), summer ver. etc.
- Sayaka Miki in Magia Exedra
- Sayaka Miki in Magia Exedra/Insert variants here, etc.
How about we have the structure be more cohesive, and have the units from Exedra, as well as Record, in the same page. For example:
- Sayaka Miki (character information and story stuff)
- Sayaka Miki/Magia Record (will have sections for each of her versions)
- Sayaka Miki/Magia Exedra (will have sections for each of her versions too, so that everything won't have to be split in a million different directions, and the information won't have to be repeated)
I just thought this would be more efficient and easier to uphold, especially since I've seen pages that don't have all the information from the character's main page to their record versions for example. Sweet Beanie (talk) 08:50, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
I think merging the Magia Record variants into the main page is broadly a good idea. I'm not sure if I like your specific proposal though. In particular, I'm not sure that having separate subpages for Magia Record and Magia Exedra is needed – is there a reason that information can't be on the main page? On the other hand, I like having the game units on subpages that are transcluded into the main page, as is currently done for Magia Exedra. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:08, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- I filled out the mockup to cover everything from Onitora's original mockup as well as most of what we've discussed. The text is filled with a mixture of Lorem Ipsum and transclusions of real content from Shizuka's and Mami's pages. I think it probably still needs more work though – I'm not entirely confident in the headings I chose for the "game info" sections. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:42, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
- Also, if someone wanted to show off a completely different mockup, you could feel free to add an additional =Toplevel Section= on that page and put everything for your new mockup underneath that. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:43, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
While I agree with the way you want to handle Game info, I have questions.
What about the Doppel descriptions of alt units? Right now they would just cease to exist. I think it would be better if they would just be included in the game section for each unit, but to be fair I think even more things should be there, such as the unique memoria (and unique portrait for Exedra).
- Adding this, could the doppel descriptions just be added into the game info template? I still think the template deserves a remake and I think this could almost work...?
Also I don't really understand the gallery section here, the Memoria and Portraits should be on the gallery page not section, and I dont think the costume stories should be there at ALL, but I understand that there's not really any other section this belongs to... - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 12:13, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
I really like the Shizuka mockup, but I have some notes.
- Appearance: I think that the Appearance section shouldn't have the Doppel in it. Personally, I wouldn't include the sub-heading for "Magical Girl" either, and just describe all the outfits seen worn (like different versions and such), all in different paragraphs in the Appearance heading.
- In Magia Record / In Magia Exedra: I think these should have descriptions of the girls as units (like their record/exedra pages already do). Info like when they were released, their unit descriptions, Doppel Descriptions, etc. for every version. I think Costume stories (like pijamas, halloween and other outfits that dont come with units and their stories should be at the Magia Record section too)
- Notes: I think Notes should be replaced with Observations, or at least used the way Observations has been used until now, where symbolism and stuff like that should go. Units that already have these are Meiyui, Kagari, Yu, Pernelle, etc.
Here's a better summary of what I mean and how the table of contents would look like:
| Warning, this section contains spoilers. |
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1.1 Appearance |
Sweet Beanie (talk) 12:50, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
- Doppel Descriptions: Can't we just put all the various doppel descriptions in the currently-marked place?
- Gallery: I don't think the memoria and portrait list should be carted off to a separate Gallery page. Whether or not they go in the gallery at all is an open question though – they could belong in the Game Info section instead. As for costume stories, I can agree that they don't really belong there; I plopped them into the Gallery section because they showcase the costumes themselves. If we were going with that mockup, we'd probably adjust things so that it's just the costume images and not the stories as wel.
- Unit Descriptions: That's a good idea, actually.
~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 15:11, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
My issue with the Doppel descriptions being in Appearance is that it doesn't feel like it fits there? Atleast not the descriptions, when that section is about their looks. It just feels like its there because there's no other place to put it in.
I believe the stats template should be changed so its showing off more, like the card art since its not gonna be above it on the page (like we have it now with each unit having a page), and I think doppels would fit in there well.
About the game sections I think it would be best if they had a "top" section, for Record that would have the costume stories and for Exedra it would have the description and the personal Portrait, since they dont change depending on unit. If we put the Memoria/Portraits there then it would be best to close those tables since they can get VERY lengthy (thats why Im more for them being in the gallery pages but I can see the other perspective). - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 15:37, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
looks like there's been quite a bit of discussion since i last posted. to try to address everything --
In particular, I'm not sure that having separate subpages for Magia Record and Magia Exedra is needed – is there a reason that information can't be on the main page?
i do not think everything should be merged into a single page. while it will make more pages to be maintained, i think it is in our best interests for organization for characters to have separate pages for each of their incarnations -- not least because the magireco timeline is not the same as the anime timeline. putting magia record story information onto sayaka's primary character page alongside information from the original anime run and rebellion would only serve to confuse people. though i don't think we should be titling the pages like "sayaka miki in magia record" like the current standard is; i think we're better off slicing that down a bit into something more like "sayaka miki (magia record)" or "sayaka miki/magia record", with these linked on the primary page.
[...] I agree with the way you want to handle Game info [...]
for the most part, me as well. i think those boxes are useful, save for the fact that i think magia record and magia exedra information should not share a page.
What about the Doppel descriptions of alt units? Right now they would just cease to exist. I think it would be better if they would just be included in the game section for each unit, but to be fair I think even more things should be there, such as the unique memoria (and unique portrait for Exedra).
i think the official doppel description(s) should go under game information alongside their gameplay information; the section under "appearance" is not intended for the official blurb to be copy-pasted into. and i also agree that personal memoria should be in the gameplay section.
Also I don't really understand the gallery section here, the Memoria and Portraits should be on the gallery page not section, and I dont think the costume stories should be there at ALL, but I understand that there's not really any other section this belongs to...
ditto.
Appearance: I think that the Appearance section shouldn't have the Doppel in it. Personally, I wouldn't include the sub-heading for "Magical Girl" either, and just describe all the outfits seen worn (like different versions and such), all in different paragraphs in the Appearance heading.
i think doppels have description priority over different outfits. aside from describing units with alternative appearances (ex; vampire yuna), i don't think we should be describing anything outside of a character's magical girl outfit, her witch/doppel, and maybe her school uniform.
I think Costume stories (like pijamas, halloween and other outfits that dont come with units and their stories should be at the Magia Record section too)
i vote against having summaries of events/stories/etc. on a character's page, even if that story is associated with a costume for that character.
Notes: I think Notes should be replaced with Observations, or at least used the way Observations has been used until now, where symbolism and stuff like that should go.
hard no on putting speculation on characters' canonical pages. this is how misinformation spreads and headcanons are passed on as fact. given the history of this wiki and the nature of this franchise in general, i am open to the idea of characters having a linked "speculation" subpage for people to mess around on. but not on the main page that is intended to compile canonical information. that is not what wikis are for, and while i feel mean bringing it up, this is a big reason why this wiki's reputation is currently so poor.
regarding memoria -- i think personal memoria with its gameplay information should be on the character's page, beneath the gameplay section. memoria that is not personal but otherwise showcases the character in some capacity should be in the gallery subpage. the fandom wiki currently hosts every memoria card and is currently where most users go when they want to look up a card's information. if we want to also host gameplay information, i do not mind, but i think we should follow in the lead of cards having separate pages with that information, rather than users needing to look up cards on character pages. especially since character pages often do not have every memoria card that features that character.
- Onitora (talk) 15:48, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
I believe the stats template should be changed so its showing off more, like the card art since its not gonna be above it on the page (like we have it now with each unit having a page), and I think doppels would fit in there well.
- In that case, perhaps we should start mocking up an alternate stats template as well?
aside from describing units with alternative appearances (ex; vampire yuna), i don't think we should be describing anything outside of a character's magical girl outfit, her witch/doppel, and maybe her school uniform.
- I don't think there's a need to describe the school uniform unless they're a character who "customizes" it. Mostly I'd say the description should cover costume-agnostic aspects (hair, eyes, build, etc), the magical girl costume, and for those that have one, the magical girl swimsuit.
- But while that's the bare minimum, I think it's fine to cover other costumes that they're seen in as well. This could include costumes that have a dedicated unit (eg vampire Yuna), costumes that have a dedicated story (eg tiger Shizuka), and even just random costumes that appear in a story (eg pyjamas, winter clothes, just casual clothes, etc). I don't think these are necessary to have, mind you, but they would be reasonable to include if someone feels like writing that description.
hard no on putting speculation on characters' canonical pages. this is how misinformation spreads and headcanons are passed on as fact.
- I really think it's fine to include some speculation on the main page as long as it's clearly marked using the Theory templates… but only small speculations, like bullet points or a short paragraph. Detailed theories definitely don't belong on the main page.
regarding memoria -- i think personal memoria with its gameplay information should be on the character's page, beneath the gameplay section. memoria that is not personal but otherwise showcases the character in some capacity should be in the gallery subpage. the fandom wiki currently hosts every memoria card and is currently where most users go when they want to look up a card's information. if we want to also host gameplay information, i do not mind, but i think we should follow in the lead of cards having separate pages with that information, rather than users needing to look up cards on character pages. especially since character pages often do not have every memoria card that features that character.
- I don't think the memoria/portrait list should be relegated to a subpage (unless that subpage is "the Magia Record/Exedra game info page"). It's easy to make it be initially collapsed though if you're just worried about space. And the way the lists are built automatically by the wiki software means that character pages actually will have every memoria card featuring that character (assuming they're all tagged properly).
I prefer to have everything about a character nominally on one page. There could be subpages for organization, but I'd prefer them to be transcluded into the main page to keep everything together. I know that the Magia Record and primary timelines are different, but the characters aren't especially different in the two timelines. We could link to the subpages instead of transcluding them, I suppose; it's not what I'd prefer, but I guess it would work. (This would be like how many pages link to their gallery instead of directly including it.)
~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 17:08, 23 November 2025 (UTC)
In that case, perhaps we should start mocking up an alternate stats template as well?
Yes, no matter if we put the info on the main page or a /Magia Record subpage, the Template should be expanded.
I have an attempt? on my Sandbox page but its rough, I think the Card display is good, the only character that has 1 card is the valentines Kuro, and she's an outlier anyway so I don't think we should accommodate the whole template for her.
It's probably easy to tell that I used the Exedra template we have as inspo, but that's because I just like it tbh.
Tbh Im fully okay with the Doppel being out of the template, just still in the game section, thats because I don't think the way I implemented it, is very good :sob:
I'm sure there's useful stuff that could be added to the template that I didn't add. Also treat my design like the infobox I made, its not a working Template. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 18:29, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
That mockup's not bad. There's the question of how an EX skill would be inserted into it though, and it feels a bit weird that Connect/Magia are side-by-side but only Doppel gets its own row. I also agree that the Doppel Info section isn't great, but it's not terrible, I guess… I think I wouldn't give the English and Japanese text equal weight like that though. Maybe put it in tabs like in the Witch template. ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 20:12, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
I decided to fully remove the Doppel info section (after being deadset on it being there), even if it looked good I think it should be separate from the Game Info, the same way the Spirit Enhancement Data is separate. I also moved the Doppel/2nd Magia next to the Connect and Magia, it looks way better. I think the current look is best.
The last thing I see a problem with is the EX skill, mostly the scaling, because it doesnt fit with the other skills, that are scaled by the unit rarity. I think I could do it like the previous doppel/like how we have the crystalis on the exedra template, but I honestly prefer the first idea.
| Connect | Magia | Magia 2 | Ex Skill | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
 Let's Come Together as One(一緒に環になろう) |
 Due Anima(デュエ・アニマ) |
Grief-Filled Farewell (フェアウェル・グリーフ) |
 An Unreachable Power
| ||
| ★4 | Attack UP [VII] & HP Restore & Chance to Critical | Damage to All Enemies [V] & Attack UP (All / 3T) & Damage UP Versus Witches (All / 3T) & Revive Ally | - | 1 - 3 slots | Defense UP [I] (All) & Negate Critical Hit [2x] (Self) |
| ★5 | Attack UP [IX] & HP Restore & Chance to Critical | Damage to All Enemies [VII] & Attack UP (All / 3T) & Damage UP Versus Witches (All / 3T) & Revive Ally | Damage to All Enemies [IX] & Attack UP & All Disk Effects UP & Damage Cut (All / 3T) | 4 slots | Defense UP [II] (All) & Negate Critical Hit [2x] (Self) |
| Connect | Magia | Magia 2 | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Let's Come Together as One (一緒に環になろう) |
Due Anima (デュエ・アニマ) |
Grief-Filled Farewell (フェアウェル・グリーフ) | |
| ★4 | Attack UP [VII] & HP Restore & Chance to Critical | Damage to All Enemies [V] & Attack UP (All / 3T) & Damage UP Versus Witches (All / 3T) & Revive Ally | - |
| ★5 | Attack UP [IX] & HP Restore & Chance to Critical | Damage to All Enemies [VII] & Attack UP (All / 3T) & Damage UP Versus Witches (All / 3T) & Revive Ally | Damage to All Enemies [IX] & Attack UP & All Disk Effects UP & Damage Cut (All / 3T) |
| Ex Skill | |||
| An Unreachable Power
| |||
| 1 - 3 slots | Defense UP [I] (All) & Negate Critical Hit [2x] (Self) | ||
| 4 slots | Defense UP [II] (All) & Negate Critical Hit [2x] (Self) | ||
- TheresaFrog421 (talk) 21:39, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
i'm just going to address one thing here, because it's all i have the time for right now --
I really think it's fine to include some speculation on the main page as long as it's clearly marked using the Theory templates… but only small speculations, like bullet points or a short paragraph. Detailed theories definitely don't belong on the main page.
i really hate to be harsh, but allowing speculation and headcanon is why this wiki is treated as a joke in a lot of serious fan spaces. no, the wiki should not be allowing random users to insert their personal speculation onto canonical character pages, directly next to canonical information. this is how misinformation is confused for canon. this is how misinformation has spread and continues to spread throughout the english fandom. i know that this wiki was made simply to compile old 4chan speculation from when the anime was still airing, not to act as an objective information source as it is attempting to now, which is why, to stay true to the site's roots and to the nature of this fanbase in general, i am not against the idea of a subpage (ie, Yuna Kureha/Speculation) to compile these things. but not on the canon pages. not directly beside canonical information, disclaimer or no.
the amount of very incorrect speculation and other information on this wiki is why i decided to attempt to pitch in. if the wiki continues to allow blatant headcanon on pages, then i am sorry, but i don't think that there is much to be done to clean it up. if this comes off as rude, then i apologize. Onitora (talk) 21:36, 25 November 2025 (UTC)
Re: Everything: I really agree that there's a lot of speculation and incorrect information overall. A sleek new infobox to not confuse all the meta facts versus the in-universe facts would be great.
For the powers, there's been a lot of cases where something was a misundertsanding, or just incorrect. There was the time Karin couldn't steal magic items even though she stole grief seeds in her mss, there was the assumption that Himena could do coordinator stuff because she synthesizes powers, there was Yuna being immune to fire because of one CG, there was Sudachi teleporting because she grabbed Shizuka once, etc. I think it's a good idea to not only go through all of the characters, but to also label when something is in their story, or their record animations, or even in cases where it is only their magia archive entries (Gunhild comes to mind)
Frankly, I think we should also do away with spoiler tags for text. The wiki page is meant for spoilers. I think that if there is any spoiler tag stuff left, the tags at the start of the articles (with clear labeling of which media is being spoiled). And even then it should only be for the latest media. Forgive me but I think stuff like Arc 1 should be public knowledge by now.
Speculation doesn't deserve to be next to canon material, as that makes it super confusing. I think a section for ==Speculation== or even a sub-page would be ideal. If it were up to me, it would be next to Trivia or something like that. Community theories are welcome, but not when placed next to canon.
As for replacing record event summaries with transcripts, that would solve a lot of issues, especially since Exedra events are already getting that treatment. I think the available summaries should still have a place somewhere, but maybe a sub-section or sub-page lik /plot. Even then, a lot of them use different languages, come from weird places like 4chan, but if they're listed at the top then a reader would know what to expect.
Frankly, a way to remove a lot of speculation would be to use references. 99% of wikis already use them. Forive me if I don't know the tools or guidelines for the wiki, but I have a plan for everything after the formats / templates / other details are decided upon:
- Phase 0: We decide on the rules for this cleanup plan that I have listed below. If anyone wants to change it, I'm willing to do so.
- Phase 1: Set the new rules (Before w start editing)
- We need to finalize the details on the infobox that doesn't confuse meta facts and in-universe facts. Once it's ready, we make it the official template for everyone. Make a list of the characters to go through and implement this into one by one.
- Write the Style Giude: We need one page that spells out the exact order for sections (like putting Speculation next to Trivia, or on its own sub-page) and what goes where. This will stop people from just adding stuff randomly.
- Remove the Spoiler Tags: As a rule, we should do away with spoiler tags for text. The wiki is for spoilers. We can have one clear warning at the top of an article, but stuff like Arc 1 should be public knowledge by now.
- Phase 2: Make a Master List and THrow Away the Junk
- List Everything: We make a master list of every character, event, and topic page. We tag them all with a [[Category:Cleanup Needed]] so we know what’s left to do.
- Delete the Meme Pages: We go through the list and immediately tag any pages that are just for memes or jokes with [[Category:Deletion Candidate]] or something. Then we delete them. No reason to keep stuff like Poorf*g if you ask me, this isn;t 4chan. Alternatively, a page specifically for these meme stuff can be made.
- Phase 3: The Actual Cleanup (Page-by-Page)
This is where we take pages from the Cleanup Needed list and move them through stages.
For a CHARACTER PAGE:
Step 1:
Read the page and mark every case of misunderstanding or incorrect info. We all know the ones: like Karin not being able to steal magic items, references to Livia's husbad, etc.
Figure out what needs references and if one can't be found, we ask around then remove it if we can't find the reference for it.
Step 2:
Fix the Powers: We go through the Powers section and label when something is in their story, their Record animations, or just from their Magia Archive entries (like with Gunhild). We remove anything that’s just a guess, but I think it's enough to just say things like "Accordig to Magia Archive, Ranka's unique magic is blah blah blah. This might likely mean that blah blah lah"
Cut the Speculation: As I said before, we move any theorycrafting off the main page, or at least its own sub-section for the character since a lot of characters won't have any speculation.
Add the New Infobox and Layout: We put in the new sleek infobox and reorganize the page to follow the new section order.
Add References: We add sources for everything. This is the best way to kill baseless claims.
Step 3: Final Check.
Someone else checks the page to make sure it’s clean and follows all the new rules. Then it gets marked as don eor the category for the cleanup needed is removed.
For an EVENT PAGE:
Step 1: As Before
Step 2:
Replace the Summary with a Transcript: As for replacing Record event summaries with transcripts, that would solve a lot of issues. The main page should have the full transcript, just like Exedra events are already getting that treatment.
Archive Old Summaries: The available summaries should still have a place somewhere, but on a /plot sub-section or sub-page. At the top, we list where they came from—like if they're from 4chan or use different languages—so a reader knows what to expect at least. Making summaries of the events would be the lengthiest process we could ever hope to achieve, but transcripts would circumvent that issue.
Step 3: Final check.
Phase 4: Track Progress
We use the category system to track everything. We’ll have categories like Cleanup In Progress and Cleanup Verified so everyone can see what’s left to do.
The main Wiki Cleanup page will have a list showing our progress, or even templates we've agreed to use, etc.
Once a page is done, we can just keep track of events and new stuff that would change the page's status quo
I believe this plan is straightforward. If most people are up for it, (and after we've decided on what standards we'll use) we can continue. What do you all think? Sweet Beanie (talk) 14:11, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
I agree with the plan, tho we still have a lot to decide on.
- 1. Where do the Memoria and Portraits go?
I still believe it should be the gallery, them having a certain character in themselves doesnt actually mean anything unless theyre personal/unique, now I also know that the Memoria don't really appear anywhere else but the character pages, so I can understand why the info should still be kept, but the tables are VERY big, its usually not too much of an issue because of the game character pages (like Sayaka in Record or Iroha in Exedra) these help split these out but together they're way too big, now obviously this can be fixed by just collapsing them from the start, but then they would be awkardly placed in the game info. The Gallery pages are already giant, so these tables being in them wouldnt be that weird.
- 2. Speculation
I agree with Sweet Beanie, that it should be a section of the page somewhere low, most speculation is too small to warrant a whole subpage for it. I think we could even hide them in something like the spoiler boxes we have, just to make SURE nobody mistakes it for official info. I do believe Speculation can exist on this wiki, like the whole Nighthawk is Kuroe and AQ is Alina thing, but I agree that it shouldnt be weaved in with trivia.
- 3. Record Game Section
To be fair I think this one is decided on, just needs actual working on, like the Stats Template being updated (I could do it IF I UNDERSTOOD THE TEMPLATE), the doppels, personal memoria and costume stories, none of that is done yet. Also where the game sections are, I believe they can be on the main page, the info is always hidden anyway, tho the naming on the current mockup page feels rough, but I know that making it ==Game Info== and then ===Magireco=== might make it look weirder, with how small the headers would be.
About the event summaries and transcripts I guess I'm more for transcripts too, but I dont really know how to handle that, so I'll just stay out of this. - TheresaFrog421 (talk) 16:08, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
I only have two things to say about SweetBeanie's proposal, which mostly sounds good:
- I'm against deleting the "binbou-chan" page. It was already moved to the Community namespace in any case, so I don't think anyone will be mistaking it for canon.
- I'm against putting event transcripts on event pages. An event page should at most summarize the plot of the event. The existing event pages are way to verbose in their so-called "summaries" - a summary should be at most five paragraphs and definitely not several sections. Then it can link to the transcript on a separate page, for people who want it. And sure, we can also link to the older "summaries" as well. (They are not summaries though. They are a description of the entire event. I'm not sure what the word is for this, but "summary" is not it.)
I do like the idea of having a separate section for "Speculation". It would go after "Trivia", and would always use the theory templates. It would be omitted if there is no speculation. I'd also say that we should limit such speculation to only "highly plausible" theories. It's hard to say what makes a theory "highly plausible", but I'd say it at least needs to have multiple points of support in canon. If there are more off-the-wall theories to cover, like the "Nighthawk is Kuroe and AQ is Alina" theory, they could go on a separate page if someone really wants them to be on the wiki, but that sort of thing doesn't belong on the main page for sure.
Not putting any speculation whatsoever on the main page isn't great because there are some things that are technically speculation (as canon doesn't officially confirm it) but which appear to be an obvious consequence of some aspect of canon. Of course, if we decide these things aren't speculation at all, we could revist the issue of speculation on the main page. (Sorry, I don't have an example off the top of my head.)
~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 18:50, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
It was long ago, but there were times when I wasn't alone. / Once there were three of us around, and another time it was just two of us. And there was the time I was part of a large group, I guess. / But maybe the most memorable time was when we were a trio. - A-Q, Lighthouse Memories Episode 4
Though I guess if I thought about it enough... / ...I'd get a hankering for strawberry milk, since it's been ages. - A-Q, Lighthouse Memories Episode 5
I think that in my case, it was because I had the power to create Labyrinths. - A-Q, Lighthouse Memories Episode 7
Name: I found a drawing.
A-Q: Is it one of my pieces? And more importantly, is it worth all this fuss? [...] Oh... It's a kid's drawing. I was looking forward to seeing some lost masterpiece you'd discovered.
- Green in color
- VA - Ayana Taketatsu
- Name starts with A
-
Canvases, paint...
-EPF (talk) 21:50, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
I get why people would want to make the claim based on that, but I don't think any of those can be seen as more than just coincidences. Lots of people like strawberry milk, for example. And lots of people draw art. Admittedly there aren't very many that can make labyrinths, but there's no reason to assume that Alina is unique in that regard (even if she is unique in that regard amongst canon characters). Besides, isn't being part of a large group actually very unlike Alina? A-Q's personality in general is very unlike Alina, in fact. In short… sure, I can see the argument, but a pile of coincidences isn't really enough to merit putting it on Alina's or A-Q's main page.
~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 05:06, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
For the Memoria and Portraits, I think it would be reasonable to have a sub-page for it entirely. There's way too many of them. We can have them like: Sayaka Miki/Memoria.Sweet Beanie (talk) 14:33, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
Quintet characters already have pages for cards. Gallery:Sayaka_Miki/Cards EPF (talk) 19:15, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
Transcripts
Re: transcripts (or rather, fair use?)
Sorry for digging up this topic, but I sort of wonder if a transcript would cross the acceptable use line into an actual copyright infringement. The sad fact here is that I'm physically located in Japan, and there's use law here. There has been a case where a company successfully sued people for posting transcripts online (e.g. this Kadokawa's case, although another news source mentioned that this was due to the owners profiting from it). From this perspective, a summary or a synopsis is more preferable. (I appreciated the effort to put up the transcript, but I want to make sure the wiki stays clear of possible legal issues.)
Looking around in other Japanese wiki websites for social games, most of them use cards, event illustrations, and character sprites from the game, so I guess this is as far as acceptable use goes. (Since we're on this topic, we probably should review all the scanned material stuff in this wiki as well. A few pages or a snippet of a page is probably fine, but an entire scan may be a bit too much...)
-- 0x99 (talk) 16:00, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- I had been wondering about that too. The game is free to play, and we're not profiting from it, and having access to the transcripts can be quite useful; so I do hope it's not a problem. But I can definitely understand the concern.
- And when it comes to scanned pages, I really think it's better to just cut out any images and upload them separately, similar to what I did with the anime guidebook scan here (I would've deleted the original scan, but figured some of the text that didn't make it into the crops may be worth translating first). If the page is entirely text, I don't think it should be uploaded at all (there may or may not be an argument for posting a transcription of the text, but posting the scan as an image is just silly). ~ Celtic Minstrel (talk) 19:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Plenty of gacha wikis have full story transcripts:
- https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Masquerade_Duet
- https://limbuscompany.wiki.gg/wiki/Intervallo_I:_Hell%27s_Chicken/Story_Episodes
- https://exedra.wiki/wiki/A_St._Magica_Academy_Christmas:_Part_Nice/Story/English
- https://magireco.fandom.com/wiki/Translated_Stories/The_Green_Jasper_Diviners/Part_1
- Hell, even some non-gacha game wikis: https://libraryofruina.wiki.gg/wiki/Netzach_Episode_1 (though I did expand their, heh, library of transcripts quite a lot, the whole thing started before I even set my gaze upon the wiki). Plus we've seen MUT get copyright claims that were entirely over music used. Hell, you even mentioned yourself that it was over profitting over it, this wiki doesn't even have ads.
- Plus it's had transcripts for years already:
- -EPF (talk) 19:51, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
- Plenty of gacha wikis have full story transcripts:
- My understanding is that the US law is more relaxed with this with fair use and DMCA, especially if the website is not making any profit. The operator is largely shielded from liability as long as they respond to a takedown request. The problem here is that the legal jurisdiction of a website is based on the jurisdiction of its operator (that would be me in this case), and Japan's version of this does not shield the operator from such liability. (Which is why it may be fine for other wikis, as long as they don't operate in Japan).
- As for existing transcripts, I know that some do exist on the wiki, but there were few enough (amusingly, I wasn't aware of Madoka Online ones until now), and some are more of a quotation (e.g., The Rebellion Story/Transcript). However, having transcripts for the entire Magia Exedra may put the wiki in a less defensible position. There's also a Null Magical Girl translation (and other translations) that might also cross the acceptable line, which likely needs a similar discussion.
- To be honest, I really like what you're doing with these pages, and I think they're super helpful; the reason I'm starting this conversation is that I'm a bit unsure if having these will put me in a jail (and closure of the wiki). -- 0x99 (talk) 03:55, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
- Let's continue this at Puella Magi Wiki talk:Wiki Cleanup 2025/Acceptable use policy -- 0x99 (talk) 04:33, 5 December 2025 (UTC)